March 21, 2007
Lauren Maggi Guilty in "Spit On Soldier" Case
(Syracuse, New York) Last November, 35-year-old Lauren Maggi was charged with harassment for spitting in a soldier's face at Hancock Airport. Reportedly, out of the clear blue, Maggi walked up to 21-year-old Jason Jones, a Ft. Drum soldier, and spit at him without provocation.
Yesterday, Maggi pleaded guilty to second-degree harassment and explained her actions.
Lauren Maggi had been verbally abused on the phone by a male acquaintance who is in the military at Fort Drum, and she "displaced her anger" when she encountered the victim as she walked through the airport, defense lawyer Louis Mannara said.Her punishment for the offense wasn't reported."I was crushed that people saw this as an anti-uniform, anti-war gesture," Maggi said. Maggi said she is a registered Republican who twice voted for President George W. Bush and supports the administration's war effort and the soldiers who are carrying out that mission.
Frankly, I'm skeptical regarding her "displaced anger" explanation and her stated loyalty to the troops because it just doesn't make much sense. It's not logical that someone with a healthy regard for the United States military would arbitrarily show such base disrespect for the uniform. Leftists, on the other hand, have repeatedly shown their disrespect by hawking lugies at soldiers and others they disagree with.
One has to wonder what would have happened if Maggi were to have a "displaced anger" moment with a Muslim imam by spitting on him in the airport.
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Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at March 21, 2007 09:34 AM (j97MF)
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Leftists, on the other hand, have repeatedly shown their disrespect by hawking lugies at soldiers and others they disagree with.
She is either a Leftist, or she's mentally imbalanced. Oh wait, same thing.
She is either a Leftist, or she's mentally imbalanced. Oh wait, same thing.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 21, 2007 09:37 AM (8e/V4)
Posted by: Rusty at March 21, 2007 09:39 AM (JQjhA)
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spitting is a myth. read the memo
Posted by: idiot at March 21, 2007 10:22 AM (8Y/fG)
Posted by: mrclark at March 21, 2007 11:23 AM (teNQQ)
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"Her punishment for the offense wasn't reported"
Please let her punishment be spitting on a imam as that would teach her....maybe.
Please let her punishment be spitting on a imam as that would teach her....maybe.
Posted by: allahakchew at March 21, 2007 12:01 PM (BrndJ)
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A registered Republican gee that sure did not seem to be the consensus thinking when this was first posted on MPJ.
Well Mike I for one am glad to see this follow up.
Well Mike I for one am glad to see this follow up.
Posted by: John Ryan at March 21, 2007 03:38 PM (TcoRJ)
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"Leftists, on the other hand, have repeatedly shown their disrespect by hawking lugies at soldiers and others they disagree with. "
Since this happens so often, can you verify 3 other cases where "Leftists" spit on soldiers?
Good luck!
Since this happens so often, can you verify 3 other cases where "Leftists" spit on soldiers?
Good luck!
Posted by: Robert at March 21, 2007 04:46 PM (VTtVl)
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John Ryan and Robert may want to restrain thier glee. It appears she lied under oath about her politics, and her voting record. I am continueing to seek verification of this because frankly, I'd like to see her go down for lying as well. nobody should be surprised if a Lefty lies under oath. Thier fair haired boy lied under oath as well.
Meanwhile, any help verifying this from interested Jawa's would be appreciated. USA, all the way!
Meanwhile, any help verifying this from interested Jawa's would be appreciated. USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at March 21, 2007 10:38 PM (2OHpj)
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"7986. eks explains her spitting.(but she lied to the Judge) by cityrep, 3/20/07 18:45 ET
she claimed to be a "registered Republican that voted for Bush", but a call to the BOE (Board of Electon for you ignorant liberals) shows she is a registered LIBERAL and only voted in the 2000 and 2002 years.
http://www.syracuse.com/forums/cnypolitics/index.ssf?extlink?artid=47506
Still looking for more, lying leftard bastards!
USA, all the way!
"7986. eks explains her spitting.(but she lied to the Judge) by cityrep, 3/20/07 18:45 ET
she claimed to be a "registered Republican that voted for Bush", but a call to the BOE (Board of Electon for you ignorant liberals) shows she is a registered LIBERAL and only voted in the 2000 and 2002 years.
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http://www.syracuse.com/forums/cnypolitics/index.ssf?extlink?artid=47506
Still looking for more, lying leftard bastards!
USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at March 21, 2007 10:41 PM (2OHpj)
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Anyone from Syracuse, New York willing to check this out for the millions who come here? USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at March 21, 2007 11:04 PM (2OHpj)
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OK I'm going to have to make it a long term project. Maggi seems to have lied, but how big the lie is uncertin at this time. I'm creating a file, and I'll keep my eye open. USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at March 22, 2007 01:51 PM (2OHpj)
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The bitch should have been whipped in public.
Posted by: greyrooster at March 22, 2007 08:49 PM (jNRRK)
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Give her community service make her pick up litter along the street and clean up the mess made by her and the rest of the 70s peace fruads
Posted by: sandpiper at March 26, 2007 09:47 AM (uTBPj)
March 18, 2007
Lights Out on Preferential Treatment...
...for some Memphis Democrats dodging utility bills and getting special leniency that wasn't afforded to the great unwashed of the city's citizenry.
Paragraph in which a political party is finally identified?
16, and it is in reference to DLC Chair Harold Ford, Jr (D, Tenessee):
Only Mr. Ford, it seemed, could get an Edmund Ford deal. For months, and over a period of years, Mr. Ford, a member of the city’s foremost power-broker political family and uncle of Harold E. Ford Jr., a former congressman and the current chairman of the Democratic Leadership Council, was allowed to put off paying bills at his funeral parlor and home that eventually totaled more than $16,000.He had a good excuse, though - Bush did it / made him do it.
Apparently, this is just the tip of the iceberg in the corruption of the Democrat-dominated Memphis city government.
I wonder how many other Democrat-dominated cities have to endure this kind of corruption. Surely, there are no 137-count indictments against Democrats my hometown!
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Racist, KKK'r, Bigot, Stormtrooper. How dare you forget the socio economic reasons why wealthy blacks steal. Just racist. All I can say. Wish to kill off an American city? Just elect a black city government.
Posted by: greyrooster at March 19, 2007 04:58 AM (jNRRK)
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Corruption is green, Munudo breath.... the 4rd family has quite the history, certainly worth checking out operation Tn waltz from last year. h ford sr. has an impresive arrest record, but go ahead and make that a racist issue rooster, that's exactly what he's hoping will happen. I got some white mud waders just like yours, use them when dealing with politicians.
Posted by: wb at March 19, 2007 05:33 PM (qbe4E)
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It not a racial issue to blacks. The rest of the world knows better. At least I do.
Posted by: greyrooster at March 19, 2007 09:53 PM (jNRRK)
Posted by: Michael Weaver at March 19, 2007 11:13 PM (2OHpj)
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No......there's always that race card rooster. Ya know the one, where if it ain't goin your way, you woop it out? Everyone runs from the word rather than dealing with the issue....as compared to those who play that card just as hard for other reasons, such as not having to see others as equal? But what ever color you want to call them, the 4rds are a disgrace to America. It's a shame that Corker almost lost.
Posted by: wb at March 19, 2007 11:16 PM (qbe4E)
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Not to worry good Professor, it wasn't anything that I thought would keep you away. I was just expounding with our favorite fowel on the fine 4rd family history of west Tn. A state where if you don't have a tax stamp for the crack you're selling, "you're in real trouble now boy." I can't blame that on anyone but another run a muck dem gov. But you know how mud tends to splash when being deflected,( I wonder if there will ever be a CSI D.C.?) . I thought perhaps it might be prudent to look a bit deeper into our favorite non canidates home state. Beautiful country, too many aliens...
Posted by: wb at March 19, 2007 11:51 PM (qbe4E)
February 21, 2007
Berger Coverage Sighting!
WaPo, A13.
Compare Berger, with the severity of his theft, document shredding & chicanery, to the Libby "crime" (on A4) of having a possible conversation with someone on not-outing a non-covert CIA agent.
The mind reels.
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Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 21, 2007 10:54 AM (8e/V4)
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Good Lt: proper medication will prevent those troubling episodes, see your doctor for a change in dosages and good luck in the future we are all hoping for a speedy recovery.
Posted by: JOHN RYAN at February 21, 2007 12:53 PM (TcoRJ)
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Berger was convicted of a misdemeanor. His sentencing judge, a 1998 Republican appointee, gave him a sentence MORE than the prosecutor, also a Republican appointee was recommending.
The Wall Street Journal referred to the "urban myth" regarding the severity of his crime(s). Apparantly the Good Lt wishes to try to continue spreading this "urban myth".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Berger
The Wall Street Journal referred to the "urban myth" regarding the severity of his crime(s). Apparantly the Good Lt wishes to try to continue spreading this "urban myth".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Berger
Posted by: JOHN RYAN at February 21, 2007 01:10 PM (TcoRJ)
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From the article you didn't read:
Brachfeld said he was worried that during four visits in 2002 and
2003, Berger had the opportunity to remove more than the five documents
he admitted taking. Brachfeld wanted the Justice Department to notify
officials of the 9/11 Commission that Berger's actions -- in
combination with a bungled Archives response -- might have obstructed
the commission's review of Clinton's terrorism policies.
The
Justice Department spurned the advice, and some of Brachfeld's
colleagues at the Archives greeted his warnings with accusations of
disloyalty. But more than three years later, as Brachfeld and House
lawmakers have pushed new details about Berger's actions onto the
public record -- such as Berger's use of a construction site near the
Archives to temporarily hide some of the classified documents --
Brachfeld's contentions have attracted fresh support.
Posted by: Good Lt at February 21, 2007 01:23 PM (D0TMh)
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I would have given the bastard life without vaseline.
Posted by: greyrooster at February 21, 2007 01:52 PM (smCdV)
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The "authoritative" wikipedia information aside, at the time it was repeatedly proclaimed that Berger had only had access to "copies" of documents and nothing was missing. We know now that he was using documents which had not even been catalogued yet, and we will never know what, if anything, he stole/destroyed to keep it out of the historical record. I think the point is: the media treating as such a small matter the intentional and criminal removal of historical documents which are government property through the abuse and violation of one's national security clearance, while making such a big deal over the non-crime involved in naming Valerie Plame. Very early on the special prosecutor knew Armitage had named her and that no crime had been committed in doing so. He then spent YEARS and millions of dollars investigating a crime that never happened.
Whether he copped a plea to a misdemeanor or not, Berger did what he did intentionally - sorry, I don't buy the claim that he absent-mindedly stuffed documents in his socks! - while Libby may have been lying under oath or may simply have as bad a memory as Russert and everybody else who testified and couldn't remember what they had for lunch. In either event, who Scooter says told him the name, and when, is certainly of small moment compared to the brazen pilfering of national government records by a former governement official exploiting his security clearance. Which makes the disparity in media coverage a little tough to reconcile.
Whether he copped a plea to a misdemeanor or not, Berger did what he did intentionally - sorry, I don't buy the claim that he absent-mindedly stuffed documents in his socks! - while Libby may have been lying under oath or may simply have as bad a memory as Russert and everybody else who testified and couldn't remember what they had for lunch. In either event, who Scooter says told him the name, and when, is certainly of small moment compared to the brazen pilfering of national government records by a former governement official exploiting his security clearance. Which makes the disparity in media coverage a little tough to reconcile.
Posted by: geobandy at February 21, 2007 02:00 PM (JZz6U)
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 21, 2007 06:01 PM (8e/V4)
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I've seen 'wiki' abused so much by 'contributors' that I never consider it a primary source for anything controversial. At best, it serves as an idea generator for deciding where you might search for information next. USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at February 21, 2007 08:14 PM (2OHpj)
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Wiki is crap as a primary source, but is virtual a link-fest (portal) to other information and sources.
As Mike said, its a place to start.
As Mike said, its a place to start.
Posted by: Good Lt at February 21, 2007 08:38 PM (D0TMh)
February 19, 2007
Update on the Atlanta 'No-Knock' Shooting Fiasco
Reason has an update on the story of 88-year-old Kathryn Johnston, who was shot and killed in her home by Atlanta narcotics officers last November:
Nearly three months later, Atlanta is showing some encouraging signs. Last week, Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard announced a series of tough charges against the officers who conducted the raid on Johnston's home, including felony murder. And in today's Atlanta Journal-Constitution, city Police Chief Richard Pennington and Christopher Stone, a criminal justice professor at Harvard, call for the city to set up a civil rights commission with subpoena power to look into police excesses.The author argues, however, that there's a need for reform, and not just punishment:
If Kathryn Johnston's death is going to be a watershed moment in the way Atlanta conducts its drug policing, the city will have to do better than New York (and, frankly, just about every other city in the country). Reforms need the teeth of enforcement mechanisms, the accountability that comes with transparency, and they need to grant review boards broad jurisdiction and subpoena powers. These reforms will have also to come from policy makers, at the insistence of their constituents. Advocates will have to see them through to implementation without losing interest, or developing outrage fatigue.h/t : Glenn.Anything less, and within months it will be back to business as usual.
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I don't want to go all Duke lacrosse on the officers involved, but if they're proven guilty they need to be executed, and the so-called judge who approved a no-knock warrant needs to be convicted of negligent homicide if not conspiracy to commit murder.
Posted by: L at February 19, 2007 02:12 PM (Gvo/q)
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L is right. Criminals are bad enough, but the assholes we pay to uphold the law should be punished severely for perverting it.
Unfortuanately, if Johnston was Black, as I suspect she was, nothing will come of this. It will be portrayed as a racial civil rights issue, rather than the issue of out of control law enforcement that it actually is.
The adversarial attitude law enforcement agencies hold against the public has got to go. So do the dickless punks who are promulgating it.
I'm tired of seeing smug cock-suckers like Joe Arpayo in Aridzona bragging about throwing innocent men awaiting trial into desert tents to eat bologna sandwiches, while his deputies rack up millions of hours in overtime payment fraud, and he violates traffic laws with impunity.
Unfortuanately, if Johnston was Black, as I suspect she was, nothing will come of this. It will be portrayed as a racial civil rights issue, rather than the issue of out of control law enforcement that it actually is.
The adversarial attitude law enforcement agencies hold against the public has got to go. So do the dickless punks who are promulgating it.
I'm tired of seeing smug cock-suckers like Joe Arpayo in Aridzona bragging about throwing innocent men awaiting trial into desert tents to eat bologna sandwiches, while his deputies rack up millions of hours in overtime payment fraud, and he violates traffic laws with impunity.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at February 19, 2007 06:18 PM (Dt3sl)
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Atlanta low balled for the police chief. He used to work for New Orleans. But that is just a side note.
Sloppy law enforcement is not a racial triat just a trait of the same ignorance that drives other crap.
She was actually in her nineties when it was first reported. In any case she was a nice shot. She hit all three before she herself was taken out. The pukes at Waco did about the same but suffered the same repercissions.
Sloppy law enforcement is not a racial triat just a trait of the same ignorance that drives other crap.
She was actually in her nineties when it was first reported. In any case she was a nice shot. She hit all three before she herself was taken out. The pukes at Waco did about the same but suffered the same repercissions.
Posted by: SeeMonk at February 19, 2007 10:00 PM (yKwZ2)
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Seems everyone is ready to pig pile on the police, using this incident to indict any and every officer they've heard of (Joe Arpaio of Arizona in a previous post). Very predictable.
I defy any critic of the law enforcement community to spend just one week doing the thankless job they do. The "adversarial attitude" that many cops have is a defense mechanism they've learned from dealing with a public that is at best dismissive and at worst, hostile to their efforts.
Try being a cop. Try not heaving your guts as you tell someone the pile of goo on the road is what's left of their kid. Try exercising restraint as yet another fool who was speeding asks why you don't go find a "real" criminal. Try going to work everyday knowing the uniform you wear is as good as a bullseye to some scum. Try explaining to your kid why you'll miss their ballgame/recital/party at school because you've been called out for extra duty. Try holding your breath as you walk into an apartment and look at a suicide who swallowed poison two weeks ago, and it's the middle of summer. Try any of this and much more I can't think of right now and don't have the skills to articulate.
I'm not a cop and never was. I've been busted by some bad ones and known some good ones. I wouldn't do their job, and I put 22 years into the military doing things many folk couldn't/wouldn't. I wouldn't do their job because I'm not the man many police officers are. Period.
They have my respect, and when the worst of them generate news stories like this one, they have my sympathy. God bless them all.
And their critics can go to Hell.
I defy any critic of the law enforcement community to spend just one week doing the thankless job they do. The "adversarial attitude" that many cops have is a defense mechanism they've learned from dealing with a public that is at best dismissive and at worst, hostile to their efforts.
Try being a cop. Try not heaving your guts as you tell someone the pile of goo on the road is what's left of their kid. Try exercising restraint as yet another fool who was speeding asks why you don't go find a "real" criminal. Try going to work everyday knowing the uniform you wear is as good as a bullseye to some scum. Try explaining to your kid why you'll miss their ballgame/recital/party at school because you've been called out for extra duty. Try holding your breath as you walk into an apartment and look at a suicide who swallowed poison two weeks ago, and it's the middle of summer. Try any of this and much more I can't think of right now and don't have the skills to articulate.
I'm not a cop and never was. I've been busted by some bad ones and known some good ones. I wouldn't do their job, and I put 22 years into the military doing things many folk couldn't/wouldn't. I wouldn't do their job because I'm not the man many police officers are. Period.
They have my respect, and when the worst of them generate news stories like this one, they have my sympathy. God bless them all.
And their critics can go to Hell.
Posted by: Subvet at February 20, 2007 12:51 AM (DNVxw)
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Jeff: You and I difer on this one. I say you can bet she was black and that is what all the hellabalu is about. If an elderly white women had opened fired on police and wounded 3 of them before being killed due to return fire the case would already be closed under the heading of crazy old white women shoots cops at her front door. No civil rights violated. White folks don't have their civil rights violated. Only blacks have that right. Only reason that Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the other rabble rousing shit heads are not leading parades, killing white people and stealing big screen TVs is that the Chief of Police is black.
Posted by: greyrooster at February 20, 2007 02:11 AM (PFUNQ)
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Oh yea! And the Mayor. Can't condemn a police dept with a black mayor. The Atlanta police dept personell have been put in place by black mayors since 1973. Good luck blaming whitey for this one. Probably the last black mayor. As the hispanic and asian exploding population, along with whites vote on ability and not color.
Posted by: greyrooster at February 20, 2007 02:21 AM (PFUNQ)
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Subtard:
Any thread about police excess wouldn't be complete without some dickless cocksucker mewling about how "tough" a job cops have sucking up our tax dallars. Worthless fucking queer bait.
Joe Arpayo/Arpaio (who gives a shit how it's spelled,) is a miserable prick who exults in the punishment of innocent men. Only a slimy little cock-worm would defend him and his vile practices. Very predictible.
I defy any defender of unconstitutional law enforcement to spend just one week doing a job that they aren't worshipped for in film and tax dollars. Cops are lavished with unearned praise from all quarters. Even criminals praise them.
The indisputable adversarial attitude most cops have towards the public they ought to be protecting is taught to them at their police academies from day one. Officer safety is paramount, but protecting the public is a non-issue. If a citizen has to be killed to protect a cop, they're taught to pull the trigger on the citizen.
You know this, you wretched piece of misbegotten shit. You have no honesty and no honor.
The same cops who give out high yield tickets for speeding, break the traffic laws they enforce every single day. Utter hypocrites. Pad the local government coffers with outrageous fines against John Q., but break every traffic law in existence yourself. Very admirable.
Cops are rarely killed on duty, but they have the highest kill rate of any profession in the country. Convenience store clerks do the dying, cops do the killing.
Most cops miss family functions becasuse they're busy bilking their cities out of millions of hours in fraudulent overtime, and because they have the highest marriage infedelity rate of any profession. This is starange, because most cops aren't sucessful or attractive.
You cango to hell for defending them, you dickless little bitch in the ass. Fuck you.
Any thread about police excess wouldn't be complete without some dickless cocksucker mewling about how "tough" a job cops have sucking up our tax dallars. Worthless fucking queer bait.
Joe Arpayo/Arpaio (who gives a shit how it's spelled,) is a miserable prick who exults in the punishment of innocent men. Only a slimy little cock-worm would defend him and his vile practices. Very predictible.
I defy any defender of unconstitutional law enforcement to spend just one week doing a job that they aren't worshipped for in film and tax dollars. Cops are lavished with unearned praise from all quarters. Even criminals praise them.
The indisputable adversarial attitude most cops have towards the public they ought to be protecting is taught to them at their police academies from day one. Officer safety is paramount, but protecting the public is a non-issue. If a citizen has to be killed to protect a cop, they're taught to pull the trigger on the citizen.
You know this, you wretched piece of misbegotten shit. You have no honesty and no honor.
The same cops who give out high yield tickets for speeding, break the traffic laws they enforce every single day. Utter hypocrites. Pad the local government coffers with outrageous fines against John Q., but break every traffic law in existence yourself. Very admirable.
Cops are rarely killed on duty, but they have the highest kill rate of any profession in the country. Convenience store clerks do the dying, cops do the killing.
Most cops miss family functions becasuse they're busy bilking their cities out of millions of hours in fraudulent overtime, and because they have the highest marriage infedelity rate of any profession. This is starange, because most cops aren't sucessful or attractive.
You cango to hell for defending them, you dickless little bitch in the ass. Fuck you.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at February 20, 2007 03:13 AM (Dt3sl)
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GreyRooster:
Read my comment again. I made the same point about Blacks getting preferential treatment.
Read my comment again. I made the same point about Blacks getting preferential treatment.
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Jeff Gargholz
Your diatribe only proves how the anonymity of the internet works in favor of cowards like yourself. Were we face to face you wouldn't have the cajones to mouth off as you do online.
But I will thank you for helping to fund my lifestyle. As an American taxpayer your money goes to make it possible for me to live as well as I do. It's a constant source of amusement for military retirees like myself. Think of me when you get your next paycheck :-)
Tah tah little boy.
Your diatribe only proves how the anonymity of the internet works in favor of cowards like yourself. Were we face to face you wouldn't have the cajones to mouth off as you do online.
But I will thank you for helping to fund my lifestyle. As an American taxpayer your money goes to make it possible for me to live as well as I do. It's a constant source of amusement for military retirees like myself. Think of me when you get your next paycheck :-)
Tah tah little boy.
Posted by: Subvet at February 20, 2007 03:45 AM (DNVxw)
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Subtard
1421 N 104 plaza, #250, Omahha NE, 68114
There is no excuse for bolowing away old women or throwing innocent men into tents with real criminals. Bilking the public with phony overtime is a crime.
Fuck you, tough guy. I wouldn't bother mouthing off in person, I'd just sock you up.
1421 N 104 plaza, #250, Omahha NE, 68114
There is no excuse for bolowing away old women or throwing innocent men into tents with real criminals. Bilking the public with phony overtime is a crime.
Fuck you, tough guy. I wouldn't bother mouthing off in person, I'd just sock you up.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at February 20, 2007 06:59 PM (Dt3sl)
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Subvet: Did you make it to E-5. Doesn't sound like it. So we probably don't pay you but pocket change. The sheriff of Pheonix is a inhuman asshole parlaying the fear of elderly people into personal gains. And screw your tough guy crap. My wife retired after 30 years as a military officer. So I doubt that I would cry comparing her pension to yours. Particularly, since the military hired her back into her same position 2 wks after she retired. Just how many battles were you in?
Posted by: greyrooster at February 20, 2007 10:11 PM (XmI6X)
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Jeff Bargholz:
In order to make good on your mouthing off you'd have to come down here to Dallas, I don't go up to Nebraska. Just as a friendly suggestion, you might want to spend the money on a remedial spelling class. In addition, your baseless attacks against the police in general and Joe Arpaio in particular, done with absolutely no facts to back them up only prove the paucity of your intellect. As for "socking" me, you would only get one shot. You'd hit me, I'd hit you and you'd hit the deck, end of story.
Grey Rooster:
I retired as a senior chief from the sub service. Like J. Bargholz your personal attacks with no real information show your lack of intellect. And the internet allows all sorts of outlandish claims to be made, such as yours that you married a retired officer. I know it's a stretch so let me make it easier for you. You're a liar.
Both of you reinforce my thinking that coming to this site is really a waste of my time. While it's entertaining to deal with cretins at times, I don't really glean anything from it. So while I'm sure you'll fuss and fume at this latest reply it will be solely for the entertainment of the more intelligent readers on this thread. I won't be back. Bye, bye little boys.
In order to make good on your mouthing off you'd have to come down here to Dallas, I don't go up to Nebraska. Just as a friendly suggestion, you might want to spend the money on a remedial spelling class. In addition, your baseless attacks against the police in general and Joe Arpaio in particular, done with absolutely no facts to back them up only prove the paucity of your intellect. As for "socking" me, you would only get one shot. You'd hit me, I'd hit you and you'd hit the deck, end of story.
Grey Rooster:
I retired as a senior chief from the sub service. Like J. Bargholz your personal attacks with no real information show your lack of intellect. And the internet allows all sorts of outlandish claims to be made, such as yours that you married a retired officer. I know it's a stretch so let me make it easier for you. You're a liar.
Both of you reinforce my thinking that coming to this site is really a waste of my time. While it's entertaining to deal with cretins at times, I don't really glean anything from it. So while I'm sure you'll fuss and fume at this latest reply it will be solely for the entertainment of the more intelligent readers on this thread. I won't be back. Bye, bye little boys.
Posted by: Subvet at February 21, 2007 12:08 AM (DNVxw)
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Subvet: Do stick around. There are some smart people in here who do have some great thoughts to share. You just got glommed onto by a drunk KKK pig-fucker (Gayrooster) and a dip-shit (Jeff the corn-hole) who has nothing but hot air and the stupidity to post his home address. Flaming poop in a bag anyone?
Posted by: osamabinthere at February 21, 2007 05:01 AM (ZxuJ4)
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Subvet I willing to put the money up to prove I'm not a liar. Will you? Twenty two years, E-8. big deal. Yea get in bed with the anti-American piece of shit osama if you please. Look up 264-31-7039 USCG. If you are not a liar which I suspect you are as an E-8 pension is not anywhere near what you are bragging about. If you are not lying you will know how to look up that number. And you are right you are not man enough to be a cop. Standing up for a sheriff that has men living in tents in the Arizona heat, cutting their food budget in half and forcing women to wear chains and stripes on a chain gang in front of their kids shows your intellect. Go back to your pretend military world. Friggin liar.
Posted by: greyrooster at February 21, 2007 03:29 PM (smCdV)
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Gayroosterbinlying:
Seriously, you old pig fucker. Get a stroke already. You are a waste of life.
Seriously, you old pig fucker. Get a stroke already. You are a waste of life.
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Subtard:
Why am I not surprised that you're a mincing little coward? Libeling my typos as spelling deficiencies is a weak response from a physical and mental weakling.
Joe Arpuko is a piece of shit, and anybody who defends him is even lower. If you can prove that every man sent to tent jail was convicted of the crime he was accused of, I'll shut up. We both know that you cant, so you're the one who needs to shut the fuck up. Arpuko preys on the innocent for political and monetary gain. He is a slithering worm with no human decency.
You aren't a vet and you aren't a man. If you're afraid to come to NE, feel free to give me your address, big-mouth.
Run and hide, bitch. I'm still here.
Why am I not surprised that you're a mincing little coward? Libeling my typos as spelling deficiencies is a weak response from a physical and mental weakling.
Joe Arpuko is a piece of shit, and anybody who defends him is even lower. If you can prove that every man sent to tent jail was convicted of the crime he was accused of, I'll shut up. We both know that you cant, so you're the one who needs to shut the fuck up. Arpuko preys on the innocent for political and monetary gain. He is a slithering worm with no human decency.
You aren't a vet and you aren't a man. If you're afraid to come to NE, feel free to give me your address, big-mouth.
Run and hide, bitch. I'm still here.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at February 22, 2007 02:16 AM (Dt3sl)
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Osamaisapunk:
Flaming bags of poop? About what I'd expect from a coward like you.
Come and get some, punk.
Flaming bags of poop? About what I'd expect from a coward like you.
Come and get some, punk.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at February 22, 2007 02:19 AM (Dt3sl)
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Heh, what a bunch of dumbasses; the lefturds have got you all fighting
like little girls. You wanna fight? Buy a rifle and join the revolution.
like little girls. You wanna fight? Buy a rifle and join the revolution.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 22, 2007 09:24 AM (eGb9y)
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"Flaming bags of poop? About what I'd expect from a coward like you. Come and get some, punk."
I don't fight girls. You only deserve flaming poo in a bag!
I don't fight girls. You only deserve flaming poo in a bag!
Posted by: osamabinhiding at February 22, 2007 04:05 PM (ZxuJ4)
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at February 23, 2007 02:54 AM (Dt3sl)
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Osamabinhiding, idiot. 'Cause you and CHIMP can't find him!
Posted by: osamabinthere at February 23, 2007 05:29 AM (ZxuJ4)
February 03, 2007
Pennsylvania's Culture of Corruption
A Democrat fixture in Philadelphia prepares to go down - hard. A "big fish," as it were.
PA State Senator (and "Democratic powerbroker") Vince Fumo will face the music this coming week for corruption:
Sources tell Action News the 6-term state senator will be charged with corruption relating to a charity called The Citizens' Alliance for Better Neighborhoods.The good thing about living in a heavy blue area is that when corruption and other charges fall, they almost always fall on Democrats. The morons around here keep voting for them anyway, but its fun to watch some of these preening, pompous Tamanny Hall-style Democrat assmonkey criminals bite the dust once in a while.FBI and IRS agents have been investigating how contributions to the charity were spent. They allege that Fumo used millions of dollars from the charity for his personal and political purposes.
The indictment, which is expected as early as Tuesday, caps a four-year federal investigation of the democratic senator, one of the most powerful politicians in Philadelphia.
Keeps us all entertained while we're huddled inside waiting for the end of the sub-zero "global warming-induced" windchills.
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I doubt if he will be re-elected after this one. Now if he were black?
Posted by: greyrooster at February 04, 2007 10:17 AM (0W1Sk)
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Democracy allows people to give themselves the government they
deserve... good and hard. If Americans are stupid enough to keep voting
for this scum, then let them eat cake.
deserve... good and hard. If Americans are stupid enough to keep voting
for this scum, then let them eat cake.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 04, 2007 10:41 AM (eGb9y)
January 31, 2007
Cynthia Sommer : GUILTY
Via CBS News:
(AP) A jury Tuesday convicted a woman of murdering her Marine husband with arsenic to cash in on his $250,000 life insurance policy to finance a luxurious lifestyle.The jury also found that Cynthia Sommer, 33, committed the first-degree murder with the special circumstances of poisoning and for financial gain.
Sommer, who stared forward as the verdict was read, faces life in prison without possibility of parole because of the special circumstances. She will be formally sentenced March 23.
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HOOOOOOTTTTTTTTT!
Posted by: Jason Chance at January 31, 2007 09:19 PM (SYd2E)
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F'ing coniving twat. I hope she rots.
Posted by: Jack's Smirking Revenge at February 01, 2007 12:10 AM (CtVG6)
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She should hang, preferably on post at Camp Pendleton, on the rifle range... down range of course.
Posted by: memphis761 at February 01, 2007 10:34 AM (YHZAl)
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Life is prison? What the hell is our justice system turning into. The tax payers now spend $50,000 per year for the next 50 years keeping this scum in prison. Bullshit. The bitch should hang. And I mean soon.
Posted by: greyrooster at February 01, 2007 01:17 PM (E7ALy)
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Since she bought new tits with insurance money, can we repossess them. Oh ,and lock her up in a cell with "bubba" let him screw the life out of her for all eternity.
Posted by: Edward Lunny at February 01, 2007 02:20 PM (QkaPP)
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However: 40 years from now some attorney can get her out on faulty DNA evidence.
Posted by: greyrooster at February 01, 2007 08:18 PM (E7ALy)
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Greyrooster, the death penalty is pointless since she would simply be kept alive for thirty years while attorneys argue lethal injection is cruel. Michael Morales has been on death row for about 25 years years but just before he was to be executed, some stupid prick doctors did not want to participate in the execution because the injection might hurt even though the guy raped and strangled Teri Winchell to death. Some stupid judge than postponed his execution indefinitely and he is still alive and will be for several more years or until he dies of old age. This is why I don't support the death penalty in my country. We don't even execute people anymore. At least Iraq executes people within a year or two at the most.
Posted by: Samuel Fisher at February 01, 2007 08:45 PM (SYd2E)
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Of course you don't support execution. You're a lefturd. That's part of the agenda that you must follow to be a good lefturd. Simply because we take forever to execute scum is not a reason not to. What needs to happen is law requiring the death penalty to be done within 1 yr. 1 yr is adequate for an appeal.
Posted by: greyrooster at February 02, 2007 06:30 PM (ERHpA)
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Whatever, I'm going to argue with some guy a thousand miles away.
Posted by: Douglas Shetland at February 02, 2007 10:31 PM (SYd2E)
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Ignore Greyrooster. He just wants to piss you off. Sometimes I get the feeling he's Improbulus Maximus. Anyway, I agree that our country takes forever to execute people. You are not saying you are against the death penalty. You are just saying it takes forever to carry it out. It's true. We haven't even executed the Night Stalker yet. Our country has turned Left Wing on us.
Posted by: Jason Chance at February 02, 2007 10:34 PM (SYd2E)
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Another lefturd jealous of Improbulus Maximus. I'm not IM. I don't have his literary skills.
Posted by: greyrooster at February 03, 2007 07:52 PM (0W1Sk)
December 30, 2006
Saddam Execution Video
UPDATE 1/17/2007: A third video showing Saddam Hussein's corpse in an ambulance has emerged.
UPDATE 1/08: Second Saddam Hussein execution video emerges showing corpse.
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Here's the original copy of the Saddam Hussein execution video, no water marks. We got it from a forum which distributes Islamic propaganda so we know it's the original. Give it a minute to load. It's a big file. Below it are some vidcaps. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL, UNCUT, UNEDITED, WATER-MARK FREE VERSION OF THE SADDAM HUSSEIN EXECUTION VIDEO.
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Posted by: Ernie Oporto at December 30, 2006 05:42 PM (WvUov)
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They were too kind to allow the rope to break his neck.
Posted by: Ogre at December 30, 2006 06:17 PM (EsWss)
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shoulda tortured himover several days...fingerail yanking, ripping out tongue, poking out eyes, burning him......get the idea?
Posted by: joe edge at December 30, 2006 06:21 PM (s5Ao/)
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shoulda tortured himover several days...fingernail yanking, ripping out tongue, poking out eyes, burning him......get the idea?
Posted by: joe edge at December 30, 2006 06:21 PM (s5Ao/)
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shoulda tortured him over several days...fingernail yanking, ripping out tongue, poking out eyes, burning him......get the idea?
Posted by: joe edge at December 30, 2006 06:21 PM (s5Ao/)
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couldn't happen to a nicer guy. burn baby burn.
Posted by: ben at December 30, 2006 06:25 PM (qCROK)
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a man so vile only a palestinian could love him.
Posted by: ben at December 30, 2006 06:27 PM (qCROK)
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i tried to feel empathy and i could only think of this excrement dressed as a dictator gasing other human beings, sending scuds to rain down on tel aviv and his vast palaces mocking the starving poor of his own people. hard to feel anything but righteous when someone has finally taken out the trash. thanks to a free iraq and the usa.
Posted by: ben at December 30, 2006 06:31 PM (qCROK)
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He's calling Satan his little creampuff right about now.
Posted by: Mo at December 30, 2006 06:36 PM (+Yj3l)
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Laura - LOL!
Posted by: flagwaver at December 30, 2006 06:45 PM (hGQq3)
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Nice Jawa, I'm jealous.. I wanted to find it first... lol.. Did you upload this?
Posted by: bavalova at December 30, 2006 06:46 PM (MsR02)
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let bush,blair and co be next
Posted by: nassar ahmad at December 30, 2006 06:55 PM (MmHeP)
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let bush,blair and co be next
Posted by: nassar ahmad at December 30, 2006 06:55 PM (MmHeP)
Posted by: Randman at December 30, 2006 07:15 PM (Sal3J)
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I am appalled at the violation of Saddam's constitutional rights....NOT!
I am quite happy to see Saddam get what was coming to him. Sic semper tyrannus.
I am quite happy to see Saddam get what was coming to him. Sic semper tyrannus.
Posted by: Brian at December 30, 2006 07:22 PM (ou4me)
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Jesus, the guy filming it must've been Michael J. Fox...could he have shook any more??? I'm sure this is one that got released before the "official" one...surely we will get to see a better one but I am thankful for any little tidbit of this asshole's suffering. Wish I could've heard him gurgle.
Posted by: Laura at December 30, 2006 07:28 PM (SsxYL)
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In all the MSM eyewitness accounts not once did they say everybody in the room was chanting "Mohammed". Notice how the MSM "protects" us from ourselves.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 30, 2006 07:29 PM (8e/V4)
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I posted links, including to you at http://nwbloggers.com/2006/12/30/graphic-very-graphic-shots-of-saddam-going-to-satan/
Thanks for this public service. Since this was done at least in large part in America's name, it's nice to see this barbarian's weak spine broke by the Iraqi nation. May Iraq finally have some peace.
Thanks for this public service. Since this was done at least in large part in America's name, it's nice to see this barbarian's weak spine broke by the Iraqi nation. May Iraq finally have some peace.
Posted by: SVC Alumnus at December 30, 2006 07:50 PM (EpYpQ)
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this one's audio is much clearer [vid is poor]
Better Audio the video part is similar to the others I've seen, the Shiiat are yelling Mohammed [piss be upon him] ...But Saddam's words are much clearer. I'm guessing that the Offical vid will be avalible soon.
Better Audio the video part is similar to the others I've seen, the Shiiat are yelling Mohammed [piss be upon him] ...But Saddam's words are much clearer. I'm guessing that the Offical vid will be avalible soon.
Posted by: Rubin at December 30, 2006 08:05 PM (78Ewn)
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this one's audio is much clearer [vid isn't]
Better Audio just like the others I've seen You can hear the Shiiat yelling Mohammed [piss be upon him] But Saddam's words are better heard.
this one's audio is much clearer [vid isn't]
Better Audio just like the others I've seen You can hear the Shiiat yelling Mohammed [piss be upon him] But Saddam's words are better heard.
Posted by: Rubin at December 30, 2006 08:07 PM (78Ewn)
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Jesusland Carlos:
You're right. The constant "Muhammad, Muhammad, Muhammad," was the most disturbing part of the video. I think I only Heard "allah" mentioned once or twice.
It's bad enough that the islamopithecines think God rewards murder and mayhem, but it's obvious that they worship Muhammad. When they're not worshiping that crusty rock in that cube thing.
The MsM doesn't want to tarnish islame's "peaceful" image. Notice that before 911, no mention was ever made in the news about travesties like "ramadan," or the equally incosequential "haj" pilgrimage to Mecca. After the koranimals murder 3000 Americans, we get daily coverage of both, told in hushed tones of reverence by the likes of Christine Imamanapour dressed in muslime clothing--despite the fact that she's nowhere near the "forbidden" city of Mecca. Imams in the White House, koranimal holidays on our calenders, muslime sensitivity training (terrorist sensitivity training,) hollywood movies about Anglo Saxon and South American terrorists, an islamopithecine Congressman, schoolchildren forced to mock convert to islame, special legal privileges for islamopithecines, et., etc., etc.
The barbaric murder of 3000 innocent people has really gotten the left (and President Bush,) to embrace islame. The MsM is busy trying to mainstream a death cult that used to be distant. Once associated only with suicide bombers, camel herders and other backwards flea-scratchers, it's now portrayed as being a major force in American life. As if 3000 koranimals out of a population of 300 million is significant.
How often do journalists refer to the Bible as the Holy Bible? Never, right? How often do they refer to the koran as the "holy" koran? Every chance they get.
Our big brothers in the MsM should be swinging next to Hussein.
You're right. The constant "Muhammad, Muhammad, Muhammad," was the most disturbing part of the video. I think I only Heard "allah" mentioned once or twice.
It's bad enough that the islamopithecines think God rewards murder and mayhem, but it's obvious that they worship Muhammad. When they're not worshiping that crusty rock in that cube thing.
The MsM doesn't want to tarnish islame's "peaceful" image. Notice that before 911, no mention was ever made in the news about travesties like "ramadan," or the equally incosequential "haj" pilgrimage to Mecca. After the koranimals murder 3000 Americans, we get daily coverage of both, told in hushed tones of reverence by the likes of Christine Imamanapour dressed in muslime clothing--despite the fact that she's nowhere near the "forbidden" city of Mecca. Imams in the White House, koranimal holidays on our calenders, muslime sensitivity training (terrorist sensitivity training,) hollywood movies about Anglo Saxon and South American terrorists, an islamopithecine Congressman, schoolchildren forced to mock convert to islame, special legal privileges for islamopithecines, et., etc., etc.
The barbaric murder of 3000 innocent people has really gotten the left (and President Bush,) to embrace islame. The MsM is busy trying to mainstream a death cult that used to be distant. Once associated only with suicide bombers, camel herders and other backwards flea-scratchers, it's now portrayed as being a major force in American life. As if 3000 koranimals out of a population of 300 million is significant.
How often do journalists refer to the Bible as the Holy Bible? Never, right? How often do they refer to the koran as the "holy" koran? Every chance they get.
Our big brothers in the MsM should be swinging next to Hussein.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 30, 2006 08:12 PM (abVz3)
Posted by: Stanley at December 30, 2006 08:24 PM (wGmDB)
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what is wrong with these filthy subhuman arabs? can not one SINGLE one hold a damn camera properly?? i got seasick watching this video as apparently the cameraman was also swinging by the neck filiming it...
sheesh. so much for a great video.
what is wrong with these filthy subhuman arabs? can not one SINGLE one hold a damn camera properly?? i got seasick watching this video as apparently the cameraman was also swinging by the neck filiming it...
sheesh. so much for a great video.
Posted by: Jeremy Givens at December 30, 2006 08:41 PM (Nhfns)
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I try to be kind , but i have no sympathy for Saddam. If ever someone deserves this Hanging, it is Saddam. He is (was!) a vile and thoroughly despicable animal.
Reminds me of Ceauchescu, when he was taken out back and shot against the wall. Sadness that we have to have violence, tempered by an odd satisfaction at seeing jerks like Hussein taken down. The images of the Romanian madman lying dead sparked a wave of reform revolt against the Soviet.
Will the Iraqis please get it together now.
Reminds me of Ceauchescu, when he was taken out back and shot against the wall. Sadness that we have to have violence, tempered by an odd satisfaction at seeing jerks like Hussein taken down. The images of the Romanian madman lying dead sparked a wave of reform revolt against the Soviet.
Will the Iraqis please get it together now.
Posted by: glezzery at December 30, 2006 08:44 PM (w/9Rv)
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 30, 2006 09:03 PM (8e/V4)
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It's like the Vatican says--it was a tragic end. I hope the Iraqi people can move forward, with justice served now and only the future ahead.
Let's pray for our troops and for the Iraqi people...and for justice to be served to the murderers among them.
Let's pray for our troops and for the Iraqi people...and for justice to be served to the murderers among them.
Posted by: Richard Romano at December 30, 2006 09:03 PM (/2Xsz)
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JUSTICE
Posted by: ArchAngel at December 30, 2006 09:19 PM (4gmWq)
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You can hear the skulls of the left banging against walls over this one all over the world.
Nothing gets the moral compass of left out of whack like the swift and deserved death of a Jew-hating, anti-American tyrant.
Nothing gets the moral compass of left out of whack like the swift and deserved death of a Jew-hating, anti-American tyrant.
Posted by: Good Lt at December 30, 2006 10:39 PM (D0TMh)
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He will not be missed.
Posted by: eman at December 30, 2006 11:31 PM (FWrFx)
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let nassar be next oh yes and co whoever that is
let the arab world take note !
lets see the pictures of the shit in his panties and 1 inch dick
let the arab world take note !
lets see the pictures of the shit in his panties and 1 inch dick
Posted by: rob at December 30, 2006 11:51 PM (jaQRE)
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His punishment was too easy. Think that rope was long enough? Geez..I'm not sure if that was a hanging or a jerking. It reminded me of some old lady in the country preping a chicken for dinner.
Either way, I'm glad its over and history continues to be made one minute at a time. I know this whole episode in time has been painful for so many but look at progress rather than perfection.
Either way, I'm glad its over and history continues to be made one minute at a time. I know this whole episode in time has been painful for so many but look at progress rather than perfection.
Posted by: Tommy Scott at December 31, 2006 02:52 AM (gxAae)
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who is bush to decied tht saddam should be hangud >....
if saddam is killer .what should we say about boosh and sharoon...they kill more than 10 palestinains every day ...
bush thinks that he is a peace man ..but ..he cant see hoe many people are dieng in iraq every day becouse of him ,,he killed more people in iraq than saddam did ,,so dont u think thet he shuld be hunged also ?????????????
i wish bush and shroon well be the next..
if saddam is killer .what should we say about boosh and sharoon...they kill more than 10 palestinains every day ...
bush thinks that he is a peace man ..but ..he cant see hoe many people are dieng in iraq every day becouse of him ,,he killed more people in iraq than saddam did ,,so dont u think thet he shuld be hunged also ?????????????
i wish bush and shroon well be the next..
Posted by: abla at December 31, 2006 05:59 AM (JUfpr)
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fuck bush ...and fuck ..sharoon ,,fuck blair ...fuck saddam ...
bush is a murder ....all of them are murders ...they are killers ...
all of them should be hunged .
bush is a murder ....all of them are murders ...they are killers ...
all of them should be hunged .
Posted by: bolbol at December 31, 2006 06:04 AM (JUfpr)
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saddam is israeli for sur .....no one kills in this way but israeli...
if any one hve a sout ,then he should see how many palestinain dies every day becouse israel kills them ..
for all the people in the world please ..open ur eyes and see the truth ..just try to count how many peole israel kills every day ..and u well see it
if any one hve a sout ,then he should see how many palestinain dies every day becouse israel kills them ..
for all the people in the world please ..open ur eyes and see the truth ..just try to count how many peole israel kills every day ..and u well see it
Posted by: adam at December 31, 2006 06:14 AM (S2tLZ)
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saddam is israeli for sur .....no one kills in this way but israeli...
if any one have doubt.. ,then he should see how many palestinain dies every day becouse israel kills them ..
for all the people in the world please ..open ur eyes and see the truth ..just try to count how many peole are killed by israel every day ..and u well see it
if any one have doubt.. ,then he should see how many palestinain dies every day becouse israel kills them ..
for all the people in the world please ..open ur eyes and see the truth ..just try to count how many peole are killed by israel every day ..and u well see it
Posted by: adam at December 31, 2006 06:18 AM (S2tLZ)
Posted by: Michael Weaver at December 31, 2006 06:59 AM (2OHpj)
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OMG it's the Saddam ws eveil because he was a joooooo crowd! And it joooos and bush hung saddam? Then why are they shouting Mutada? Iraq hung Saddam That's why I blog. It never ceases to amaze me how many people are way more nutty than I am. Gives me warm fuzzys. You guys stick around I need the laughs. heheh the joooos he he he. That's rich. Look out there is jooo behind you right now! Booo!
Posted by: Darth Odie Sidiousness at December 31, 2006 09:16 AM (YdcZ0)
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Nothing gets the moral compass of left out of whack like the swift and deserved death of a Jew-hating, anti-American tyrant.
Nothing underscores the Right's disconnect from reality as their glee over the mass murderer killed by the goons in the ski masks shouting "Moqtada", Moqtada being the next big mass murderer in this country. The Bastard is dead, long live The New Bastard!
What is here not to celebrate?
Nothing underscores the Right's disconnect from reality as their glee over the mass murderer killed by the goons in the ski masks shouting "Moqtada", Moqtada being the next big mass murderer in this country. The Bastard is dead, long live The New Bastard!
What is here not to celebrate?
Posted by: Nikolay at December 31, 2006 09:47 AM (f2+o3)
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No Adam, you're wrong. Israelis would not kill Palestinians if pathetic Palestinians didn't kill Israelis first !
Posted by: Tron at December 31, 2006 09:59 AM (TjbKg)
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Enjoy your snuff film, perverts.
Posted by: Potato Pete at December 31, 2006 10:33 AM (Cbtur)
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Darth Odie:
The funny thing is that these stupid camel jockey trolls actually believe all that Jooo conspiracy nonsense. It's no wonder the leaders in the Middle East try to deflect all their countries' deficiencies on Dem Jooos and dat Bush, but really--how fucking stupid do you have to be to believe that crap?
Arabs are the stupidest people on the planet. Next they'll denounce Bin Loser as a Zionist stooge.
The funny thing is that these stupid camel jockey trolls actually believe all that Jooo conspiracy nonsense. It's no wonder the leaders in the Middle East try to deflect all their countries' deficiencies on Dem Jooos and dat Bush, but really--how fucking stupid do you have to be to believe that crap?
Arabs are the stupidest people on the planet. Next they'll denounce Bin Loser as a Zionist stooge.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 31, 2006 10:45 AM (abVz3)
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Hey Jeff, isn't it great to be so much more intelligent than stupid camel jockey trolls and not be one of the stupidest people on the planet
Posted by: ja at December 31, 2006 10:53 AM (DXKqE)
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Hey Jeff, isn't it great to be so much more intelligent than stupid camel jockey trolls and not be one of the stupidest people on the planet
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Now the MSM is saying that the chanting is "Moqtada". LOL. Sounds like MOHAMMED to me. Thank you, MSM, for once again protecting me against myself.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 31, 2006 11:22 AM (8e/V4)
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This week the Pentagon released the names of 30 service members killed in Iraq.
916 service members have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan this year.
A total of 2998 service members have been killed in Iraq.
A total of 22,235 service members maimed or wounded with many missing one or more limbs.
One in every ten soldiers are hospitalized with mental problems.
Costing 380 billion dollars so far all of which is borrowed money adding to the 9 trillion dollar debt.
All for removing one man from an office?
All countries should be jumping on the democracy bandwagon any moment now.
916 service members have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan this year.
A total of 2998 service members have been killed in Iraq.
A total of 22,235 service members maimed or wounded with many missing one or more limbs.
One in every ten soldiers are hospitalized with mental problems.
Costing 380 billion dollars so far all of which is borrowed money adding to the 9 trillion dollar debt.
All for removing one man from an office?
All countries should be jumping on the democracy bandwagon any moment now.
Posted by: civilbehavior at December 31, 2006 11:38 AM (SGHzB)
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Happy New Year to all!!!!!!
I just wish our American cousins would remember that there are many more nations in Iraq than them whose families at home are losing loved ones - including us Brits.
That said, this is a good day for all!!
I just wish our American cousins would remember that there are many more nations in Iraq than them whose families at home are losing loved ones - including us Brits.
That said, this is a good day for all!!
Posted by: Mark at December 31, 2006 11:45 AM (SMXH0)
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Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall
pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend,
oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of
liberty.
John F. Kennedy
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall
pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend,
oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of
liberty.
John F. Kennedy
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 31, 2006 11:54 AM (8e/V4)
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Now the MSM is saying that the chanting is "Moqtada". LOL. Sounds like MOHAMMED to me. Thank you, MSM, for once again protecting me against myself.
They chant "Muhammad" first, "Moqtada" later. But this surely means nothing for someone protected from reality by the imagination.
They chant "Muhammad" first, "Moqtada" later. But this surely means nothing for someone protected from reality by the imagination.
Posted by: Nikolay at December 31, 2006 11:55 AM (m8XvX)
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Now the MSM is saying that the chanting is "Moqtada". LOL. Sounds like MOHAMMED to me. Thank you, MSM, for once again protecting me against myself.
They chant "Muhammad" first, "Moqtada" later. But this surely means nothing for someone protected from reality by the imagination.
They chant "Muhammad" first, "Moqtada" later. But this surely means nothing for someone protected from reality by the imagination.
Posted by: Nikolay at December 31, 2006 11:55 AM (f2+o3)
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As has been said already, this is a significant moment in history though not for the reason that it will bring "democracy" or anything good to Iraq or indeed the world.
You only have to read the some of the vile and disgusting comments posted above by the likes of Jeff Bargholz to know that sectarian attitudes will continue to prevail in every country in the world - including the so-called "civilized democracies".
Executing one dictator will only add fuel to the fire of racial and religious hatred and intolerance.
Saddam was a wicked and evil man that inflicted huge pain and misery on countless thousands of people - a vile and disgusting man.
To use his death as a soapbox to promte your own particular brand of jingoistic bitter hatred is just as vile.
You only have to read the some of the vile and disgusting comments posted above by the likes of Jeff Bargholz to know that sectarian attitudes will continue to prevail in every country in the world - including the so-called "civilized democracies".
Executing one dictator will only add fuel to the fire of racial and religious hatred and intolerance.
Saddam was a wicked and evil man that inflicted huge pain and misery on countless thousands of people - a vile and disgusting man.
To use his death as a soapbox to promte your own particular brand of jingoistic bitter hatred is just as vile.
Posted by: Andrew at December 31, 2006 11:58 AM (YDcMR)
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The difference between these Arab losers and Americans is simple...We stand for good and are consistant. We take the lead and no matter how difficult the circumstances we take ACTION. We don't hide behind a religion of hate and call it peaceful. We say one thing and mean it. We back up what we say.
All Saddam had to do was let weapons inspectors do their jobs and he would have been left alone. I guess he made a poor choice. WE told him and the rest of the world to comply or else. Let this be a lesson to the rest of the world. F*%k with us and you die. 9/11 awakened the sleeping giant. Thanks to our founders I'm armed, locked, and loaded. Bring it on!
All Saddam had to do was let weapons inspectors do their jobs and he would have been left alone. I guess he made a poor choice. WE told him and the rest of the world to comply or else. Let this be a lesson to the rest of the world. F*%k with us and you die. 9/11 awakened the sleeping giant. Thanks to our founders I'm armed, locked, and loaded. Bring it on!
Posted by: Howie Feltersnatch at December 31, 2006 12:01 PM (gxAae)
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Saddam was a vile and disgusting man who has met with a just end for all the pain and suffering he inflicted on so many people.
He had a skewed, vile, disgusting, jingoistic, hate filled, insular and repulsive attitude to the world around him which could do nothing other infect others and lead to more violence - Hang on I'm confused now as to whether I'm writing about Saddam or about the obviously supremely intelligent Jeff Bargholz?!
He had a skewed, vile, disgusting, jingoistic, hate filled, insular and repulsive attitude to the world around him which could do nothing other infect others and lead to more violence - Hang on I'm confused now as to whether I'm writing about Saddam or about the obviously supremely intelligent Jeff Bargholz?!
Posted by: Andrew at December 31, 2006 12:10 PM (YDcMR)
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Nothing underscores the leftist fringe's disconnect from reality more than their despair over the mass murderer killed by the family members of the victims he was convicted of murdering.
You know, I don't support torturers, mass murderers and terrorists no matter how many family members they have lost. And there's nothing "leftist" about this, these are the same feelings that normal Iraqis (you know, secular ones, not the religious fanatics that are in power now) have.
I have absolutely no pity for Saddam, it's only too bad they didn't finish him three years ago, Chaushesku-style.
If you think Mooktada is going to become the next big mass murderer (a redundant phrase,) you're...ahem! Disconnected from reality. He's going to become the next big corpse.
Cool. Do you really believe this nonsense? Sure, Moqtada will be a corpse soon, and the glorious Badr brigade will help turn the country into the majestic Islamic nation, in the name of God, the merciful, the passionate, and blessing upon Prophet Mohammed and his purified family and his loyal companions.
You really enjoy opposing the world's moral compass and leading light, don't you?
Sure, if you're talking about Moqtada Al-Sadr. Being happy about the execution means being happy about Al-Sadr's triumph, make no mistakes about this.
You know, I don't support torturers, mass murderers and terrorists no matter how many family members they have lost. And there's nothing "leftist" about this, these are the same feelings that normal Iraqis (you know, secular ones, not the religious fanatics that are in power now) have.
I have absolutely no pity for Saddam, it's only too bad they didn't finish him three years ago, Chaushesku-style.
If you think Mooktada is going to become the next big mass murderer (a redundant phrase,) you're...ahem! Disconnected from reality. He's going to become the next big corpse.
Cool. Do you really believe this nonsense? Sure, Moqtada will be a corpse soon, and the glorious Badr brigade will help turn the country into the majestic Islamic nation, in the name of God, the merciful, the passionate, and blessing upon Prophet Mohammed and his purified family and his loyal companions.
You really enjoy opposing the world's moral compass and leading light, don't you?
Sure, if you're talking about Moqtada Al-Sadr. Being happy about the execution means being happy about Al-Sadr's triumph, make no mistakes about this.
Posted by: Nikolay at December 31, 2006 12:15 PM (f2+o3)
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Ja:
"Hey Jeff, isn't it great to be so much more intelligent than stupid camel jockey trolls and not be one of the stupidest people on the planet?"
It doesn't suck. It also beats being a member of the America-last left, who are probably the second stupidist group of assholes on the planet. After all, you dolts believe President Bush is the main cause of all evil in the world, with dem Jooos placing a close second. The only difference between your enemy list and the dune coons' enemy list is the order of the top two enemies.
The third enemy on your lists is the same: Honesty.
What? You thought you guys had a monopoly on smugness?
"Hey Jeff, isn't it great to be so much more intelligent than stupid camel jockey trolls and not be one of the stupidest people on the planet?"
It doesn't suck. It also beats being a member of the America-last left, who are probably the second stupidist group of assholes on the planet. After all, you dolts believe President Bush is the main cause of all evil in the world, with dem Jooos placing a close second. The only difference between your enemy list and the dune coons' enemy list is the order of the top two enemies.
The third enemy on your lists is the same: Honesty.
What? You thought you guys had a monopoly on smugness?
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 31, 2006 12:28 PM (abVz3)
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civilbehavior - don't worry, you'll find a new pivot man for your circle jerk group.
Posted by: Max Power at December 31, 2006 12:35 PM (PM8kH)
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Potato Head:
If it were a snuff film of President Bush you would be masturbating to it furiously, so spare me your mock moral outrage.
Don't you have a baby to abort, or some other genocidal tyrants to defend from justice? Kim Jong Ill, Robert Mugabe, Fidel Castro, and the murderous mullahs in Iran are still alive and they all need your help. I wouldn't want to keep you from your ethically superior pursuits.
If it were a snuff film of President Bush you would be masturbating to it furiously, so spare me your mock moral outrage.
Don't you have a baby to abort, or some other genocidal tyrants to defend from justice? Kim Jong Ill, Robert Mugabe, Fidel Castro, and the murderous mullahs in Iran are still alive and they all need your help. I wouldn't want to keep you from your ethically superior pursuits.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 31, 2006 12:35 PM (abVz3)
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Jesusland Carlos,
What the crowd chants is an invocation that roughly translates "Salutations upon Mohammad and his descendents."
This mention of Mohammad's "descendents" indicates that the chanting crowd are in fact Shiite. [Since the Shiite/Sunni schism in Islam began with the question of who should succeed Mohammad.]
What the crowd chants is an invocation that roughly translates "Salutations upon Mohammad and his descendents."
This mention of Mohammad's "descendents" indicates that the chanting crowd are in fact Shiite. [Since the Shiite/Sunni schism in Islam began with the question of who should succeed Mohammad.]
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at December 31, 2006 12:37 PM (Bd48Z)
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Seriously, is their a fucking scumbag that the left doesn't love?
"Save Tookie", "Save Troy Kunkle", "Save David Hill", "Save Robin Lovitt", don't kill Saddam let's put him in prison for life!!
Lets give mercy, to people who killed in cold blood, ripped apart family, and destroyed the life of children without sparing a moments thought, then ask me to think of the murderers family! think of his children! think of the suffering of the murderer!
You people are fucking sick, and I have no clue how you sleep at night.
"Save Tookie", "Save Troy Kunkle", "Save David Hill", "Save Robin Lovitt", don't kill Saddam let's put him in prison for life!!
Lets give mercy, to people who killed in cold blood, ripped apart family, and destroyed the life of children without sparing a moments thought, then ask me to think of the murderers family! think of his children! think of the suffering of the murderer!
You people are fucking sick, and I have no clue how you sleep at night.
Posted by: davec at December 31, 2006 12:41 PM (yaQM4)
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"Nothing gets the moral compass of left out of whack like the swift and deserved death of a Jew-hating, anti-American tyrant.-Good Lt
"Nothing underscores the Right's disconnect from reality as their glee over the mass murderer killed by the goons in the ski masks shouting "Moqtada", Moqtada being the next big mass murderer in this country. The Bastard is dead, long live The New Bastard!
What is here not to celebrate?"-Nikolay the Mad Moonbat
I believe you just proved the Good Lt's point, dillrod. Nothing underscores the leftist fringe's disconnect from reality more than their despair over the mass murderer killed by the family members of the victims he was convicted of murdering.
If you think Mooktada is going to become the next big mass murderer (a redundant phrase,) you're...ahem! Disconnected from reality. He's going to become the next big corpse.
You really enjoy opposing the world's moral compass and leading light, don't you? You never miss an opportunity to attack America and defend the world's monsters and basket cases. You're such a fucking dickwad.
"Nothing underscores the Right's disconnect from reality as their glee over the mass murderer killed by the goons in the ski masks shouting "Moqtada", Moqtada being the next big mass murderer in this country. The Bastard is dead, long live The New Bastard!
What is here not to celebrate?"-Nikolay the Mad Moonbat
I believe you just proved the Good Lt's point, dillrod. Nothing underscores the leftist fringe's disconnect from reality more than their despair over the mass murderer killed by the family members of the victims he was convicted of murdering.
If you think Mooktada is going to become the next big mass murderer (a redundant phrase,) you're...ahem! Disconnected from reality. He's going to become the next big corpse.
You really enjoy opposing the world's moral compass and leading light, don't you? You never miss an opportunity to attack America and defend the world's monsters and basket cases. You're such a fucking dickwad.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 31, 2006 12:46 PM (abVz3)
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I appreciated the video. No one of any political stripe can deny that this scumbag deserved to swing on the gallows pole.
Your comments section, on the other hand, reminded me of why the Iraq war has been a failure despite the small side benefit of a Saddam snuff film. "Operation Iraqi Freedom" you called it. All you good, honorable, right-thinking patriots who talk about "dune coons", "filthy subhuman arabs", "islamopithecines", and "koranimals", and lust for more thoroughly medieval torture sessions for our enemies... aren't you the same folks who cared so deeply about bringin' the sweet freedom and democracy to the middle east three years ago?
Funny thing about the overwhelming majority of people in the world who aren't impressed by President Bush's leadership... we aren't stupid. We know Orwellian propaganda slogans when we hear them. We also recognize that that people who cheerlead for torture are scumbags, regardless of which flag they salute.
Your comments section, on the other hand, reminded me of why the Iraq war has been a failure despite the small side benefit of a Saddam snuff film. "Operation Iraqi Freedom" you called it. All you good, honorable, right-thinking patriots who talk about "dune coons", "filthy subhuman arabs", "islamopithecines", and "koranimals", and lust for more thoroughly medieval torture sessions for our enemies... aren't you the same folks who cared so deeply about bringin' the sweet freedom and democracy to the middle east three years ago?
Funny thing about the overwhelming majority of people in the world who aren't impressed by President Bush's leadership... we aren't stupid. We know Orwellian propaganda slogans when we hear them. We also recognize that that people who cheerlead for torture are scumbags, regardless of which flag they salute.
Posted by: Random passerby at December 31, 2006 12:50 PM (rKiqC)
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So what, he's dead. We're still screwed, thank you very much W.
Posted by: Howard at December 31, 2006 12:58 PM (yQSuX)
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Of course we would want something barbaric done to a lowlife who slaughtered our families, Laura. But most of us who live in modern democracies don't really want vigilantes running around in our streets lynching people, and we don't really want "big government" to have the power to commit acts of barbaric torture.
Do you?
Do you?
Posted by: Random Passerby at December 31, 2006 01:02 PM (rKiqC)
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Snivel Behaviour:
Yes, we believe you care about American soldiers and fiscal reposibility in our government.
It's too bad that most of the world's terrorists are dying like flies in Iraq. They should be over here blowing up buildings.
American forces now have Syria and Iran surrounded. Such a shame.
A far higher proportion of Iraqis showed up for their elections than Americans did for our last two, and they were under threat of death. Yeah, nobody wants to jump on the democracy bandwagon.
Nobody deserves democracy besides leftists, right? The rest of us should do what you imbeciles decree, including the Iraqis. You better tell the millions of islamopithecines in countries like Egypt, Lebanon, Iran, etc., to stop whining about democracy enjoy their oppression. We need more terrorist factories, right?
Hussein is dead. Boo fuckin' hoo.
Yes, we believe you care about American soldiers and fiscal reposibility in our government.
It's too bad that most of the world's terrorists are dying like flies in Iraq. They should be over here blowing up buildings.
American forces now have Syria and Iran surrounded. Such a shame.
A far higher proportion of Iraqis showed up for their elections than Americans did for our last two, and they were under threat of death. Yeah, nobody wants to jump on the democracy bandwagon.
Nobody deserves democracy besides leftists, right? The rest of us should do what you imbeciles decree, including the Iraqis. You better tell the millions of islamopithecines in countries like Egypt, Lebanon, Iran, etc., to stop whining about democracy enjoy their oppression. We need more terrorist factories, right?
Hussein is dead. Boo fuckin' hoo.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 31, 2006 01:04 PM (abVz3)
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Happy New Year Mark. What makes you think Americans are unaware of the British contribution to the Coalition? That's a very parochial view.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 31, 2006 01:07 PM (abVz3)
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I'm astonished at the glee of some. We don't rob from thieves nor rape rapists and call it justice. It isn't justice it is barbaric to want to hurt someone we disaprove of. Otherwise, Saddam is no worse. He hurt those he thought of as enemies. He was a savage but judicial savagery doesn't redress that. I have to say, he died like a man. No pleading; and in the face of hatred, whilst shackled like an animal, he remained defiant, dignified and brave.
I wonder if Bush or Blair would've met their end with such courage. For all of those calling for torture: you are no better than him.
I wonder if Bush or Blair would've met their end with such courage. For all of those calling for torture: you are no better than him.
Posted by: william at December 31, 2006 01:10 PM (6egli)
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Jeff,
It must be great being honestly more intelligent than a stupid camel jockey troll and not one of the stupidest people on the planet and neither a member of the America-last left, who are probably the second stupidist group of assholes on the planet.
It must be great being honestly more intelligent than a stupid camel jockey troll and not one of the stupidest people on the planet and neither a member of the America-last left, who are probably the second stupidist group of assholes on the planet.
Posted by: ja at December 31, 2006 01:18 PM (DXKqE)
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William,
This guy:
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/nitric_acid_drips.php
under Saddam's nitric acid shower calls bullshit on you.
That's if his remains weren't just dug out of a mass grave, you're pathetic, calling Saddam "brave" and "dignified", Saddam was resolved to the fact he was about to die, pretty much like the multitude who was taken to their grave under his orders.
This guy:
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/nitric_acid_drips.php
under Saddam's nitric acid shower calls bullshit on you.
That's if his remains weren't just dug out of a mass grave, you're pathetic, calling Saddam "brave" and "dignified", Saddam was resolved to the fact he was about to die, pretty much like the multitude who was taken to their grave under his orders.
Posted by: davec at December 31, 2006 01:37 PM (yaQM4)
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William, what kind of drivel are you spewing? Can you honestly say that your opinion would be the same if someone barged into your home in the middle of the night and raped and slaughtered your wife and family? Wouldn't you want something "barbaric" done to the lowlifes that destroyed your family?
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Posted by: Laura at December 31, 2006 01:39 PM (SsxYL)
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Andrew:
Try not to be such a hypocritical prig. You moral relativists have been spouting that cycle of violence bullshit for decades now, and it doesn't smell any better than when you started. There is no excuse for defending tyrants, genocidal or otherwise. History is replete with nations improving after the removal of tyrants. Try selling your defeatist bullshit to the Japanese, Germans, Italian, Cambodians, Afghans, or even the Iraqis.
If it were up to pricks like you, the American Revolution would never have been fought and won.
Sectarian violence does NOT prevail in every country in the world, you ignoramus. The very notion is absurd. It doesn't even prevail in Iraq. There is no sunni or shite Constitution or government in Iraq, and the sectarian violence is relegated to a few key areas. Your plagiarized civil war scenario has always been a leftist wet dream, not a reality.
I strongly suspect you don't know the definition of "sectarian." Religious denominations are not warring in the streets of the world. In fact, the only "religion" engaged in sectarian attacks at all is islame.
Cowards like you think you can appease the implacable islamopithecines. You think leaving them to their own devices will make us safer. Leaving them to their own devices led to 30 years worth of terrorist attacks against America, culminating in 911.
Since you probably aren't an American, and you're definetly a vile and disgusting excuse for a human being, you probably think we deserved it. Try to remember that Britain, France, Spain Thailand Indonesia, Sudan, Argentina, Canada, and just about every other country on the planet has been the target of terrorist attacks as well. These attacks will not stop unless we stop them forcibly. Appeasement hasn't worked once in the 1400 year history of islame, and it never will. Islamic doctrine prohibits peace with the non-muslim world. It states that jihad is the path to Heaven, and that refusal to embrace this pillar of islam results in eternal damnation. Not that you understand the basic tenets of the religion you're cowering from.
The terrorist attacks against the "infidel" world were not carried out to force a Coalition withdrawal from Iraq. Most of them predate the Coalition presence there, and after all, the terrorists are not flocking to Iraq to aid their fellow islamopithecines--they are flocking there to kill them. If you had your way, they would have a free hand to do so.
"Saddam was a wicked and evil man that inflicted huge pain and misery on countless thousands of people - a vile and disgusting man."
A vile and disgusting man who would still be in power if the likes of you had their way. To use his death as a soapbox to promte your own particular brand of bitter, anti-American hatred is just as vile. Only a reprobate defines national interest and humanitarianism as "jigoism."
The monster Saddam Hussein is dead, Iraq wants the Coalitionan to stay and finish the job, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. Here's looking at you loser: sucking my dick.
Try not to be such a hypocritical prig. You moral relativists have been spouting that cycle of violence bullshit for decades now, and it doesn't smell any better than when you started. There is no excuse for defending tyrants, genocidal or otherwise. History is replete with nations improving after the removal of tyrants. Try selling your defeatist bullshit to the Japanese, Germans, Italian, Cambodians, Afghans, or even the Iraqis.
If it were up to pricks like you, the American Revolution would never have been fought and won.
Sectarian violence does NOT prevail in every country in the world, you ignoramus. The very notion is absurd. It doesn't even prevail in Iraq. There is no sunni or shite Constitution or government in Iraq, and the sectarian violence is relegated to a few key areas. Your plagiarized civil war scenario has always been a leftist wet dream, not a reality.
I strongly suspect you don't know the definition of "sectarian." Religious denominations are not warring in the streets of the world. In fact, the only "religion" engaged in sectarian attacks at all is islame.
Cowards like you think you can appease the implacable islamopithecines. You think leaving them to their own devices will make us safer. Leaving them to their own devices led to 30 years worth of terrorist attacks against America, culminating in 911.
Since you probably aren't an American, and you're definetly a vile and disgusting excuse for a human being, you probably think we deserved it. Try to remember that Britain, France, Spain Thailand Indonesia, Sudan, Argentina, Canada, and just about every other country on the planet has been the target of terrorist attacks as well. These attacks will not stop unless we stop them forcibly. Appeasement hasn't worked once in the 1400 year history of islame, and it never will. Islamic doctrine prohibits peace with the non-muslim world. It states that jihad is the path to Heaven, and that refusal to embrace this pillar of islam results in eternal damnation. Not that you understand the basic tenets of the religion you're cowering from.
The terrorist attacks against the "infidel" world were not carried out to force a Coalition withdrawal from Iraq. Most of them predate the Coalition presence there, and after all, the terrorists are not flocking to Iraq to aid their fellow islamopithecines--they are flocking there to kill them. If you had your way, they would have a free hand to do so.
"Saddam was a wicked and evil man that inflicted huge pain and misery on countless thousands of people - a vile and disgusting man."
A vile and disgusting man who would still be in power if the likes of you had their way. To use his death as a soapbox to promte your own particular brand of bitter, anti-American hatred is just as vile. Only a reprobate defines national interest and humanitarianism as "jigoism."
The monster Saddam Hussein is dead, Iraq wants the Coalitionan to stay and finish the job, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it. Here's looking at you loser: sucking my dick.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 31, 2006 01:56 PM (abVz3)
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Saddam was a vile and disgusting man who has met with a just end for all the pain and suffering he inflicted on so many people.
He had a skewed, vile, disgusting, traitorous, hate filled, cowardly, insular and repulsive attitude to the world around him which could do nothing other than infect others and lead to tolerating and excusing more violence against the innocent - Hang on, I'm confused now as to whether I'm writing about Saddam or about the obviously galactically stupid Andrew?!
He had a skewed, vile, disgusting, traitorous, hate filled, cowardly, insular and repulsive attitude to the world around him which could do nothing other than infect others and lead to tolerating and excusing more violence against the innocent - Hang on, I'm confused now as to whether I'm writing about Saddam or about the obviously galactically stupid Andrew?!
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 31, 2006 02:09 PM (abVz3)
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Because there were all these hooded Iraqis around,it just
looked like another Islamofascist snuff video.
vile and disgusting,
looked like another Islamofascist snuff video.
vile and disgusting,
Posted by: tim at December 31, 2006 02:09 PM (AOvmM)
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I can´t tell how happy i am! He´s finally dead. He did´nt deserved to live. Or - he sholud be tortured until his death.. But.. I´m happy with this.
I´m not an american. I´m not an iraquer. In come from Norway. Im an ordinary norwegian girl, 19 years old.
My mum.. She feelt sorry for him. We have had an arguemnt, men i can not unserstand her point. Because this person is evil. And he will always be. But now we are free for him.
He is finally in hell - where he belongs!
I´m not an american. I´m not an iraquer. In come from Norway. Im an ordinary norwegian girl, 19 years old.
My mum.. She feelt sorry for him. We have had an arguemnt, men i can not unserstand her point. Because this person is evil. And he will always be. But now we are free for him.
He is finally in hell - where he belongs!
Posted by: Stine at December 31, 2006 02:12 PM (Fbq4S)
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Nikisgay:
"You know, I don't support torturers, mass murderers and terrorists no matter how many family members they have lost."
What makes you assume the people present at the execution were torturers, mass murderers and terrorists? I know you want to believe that they were praying to Mooktada, but the shites Saddam was convicted of killing decades ago were not followers of the mook, shit for brains.
By the way, did you bother to read Garduneh's translation of the tape, or are you fluent in Arabic now, dipshit?
Hussein is dead and iraqis are rejoicing. There's nothing "right-wing" about this, these are the same feelings that normal Iraqis (very few of whom are secular,) have.
You have absolute sympathy for Saddam, or you wouldn't be apoplectic over his execution. You only think it's too bad they didn't finish him three years ago, Ceausescu-style because you would have preferred his death to be unremarkable and forgotten. It burns your moonbat ass that he now serves as a glaring reminder to the islamopithecine world of what happens when you fuck with America, as Howie feltersnatch so rightly pointed out.
"Cool. Do you really believe this nonsense? Sure, Moqtada will be a corpse soon, and the glorious Badr brigade will help turn the country into the majestic Islamic nation, in the name of God, the merciful, the passionate, and blessing upon Prophet Mohammed and his purified family and his loyal companions."
Sure. The mook got that seat in the government he wanted, and Alawi and Bush love him. He's a hero of the people. And you're a rational, decent human being.
"Sure, if you're talking about Moqtada Al-Sadr. Being happy about the execution means being happy about Al-Sadr's triumph, make no mistakes about this."
Sure, and you always post comments here criticizing the mook and praising America. The mook didn't execute hussein genius, and I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for him to seize power.
Even by leftist standards, you're hopelessly retarded.
"You know, I don't support torturers, mass murderers and terrorists no matter how many family members they have lost."
What makes you assume the people present at the execution were torturers, mass murderers and terrorists? I know you want to believe that they were praying to Mooktada, but the shites Saddam was convicted of killing decades ago were not followers of the mook, shit for brains.
By the way, did you bother to read Garduneh's translation of the tape, or are you fluent in Arabic now, dipshit?
Hussein is dead and iraqis are rejoicing. There's nothing "right-wing" about this, these are the same feelings that normal Iraqis (very few of whom are secular,) have.
You have absolute sympathy for Saddam, or you wouldn't be apoplectic over his execution. You only think it's too bad they didn't finish him three years ago, Ceausescu-style because you would have preferred his death to be unremarkable and forgotten. It burns your moonbat ass that he now serves as a glaring reminder to the islamopithecine world of what happens when you fuck with America, as Howie feltersnatch so rightly pointed out.
"Cool. Do you really believe this nonsense? Sure, Moqtada will be a corpse soon, and the glorious Badr brigade will help turn the country into the majestic Islamic nation, in the name of God, the merciful, the passionate, and blessing upon Prophet Mohammed and his purified family and his loyal companions."
Sure. The mook got that seat in the government he wanted, and Alawi and Bush love him. He's a hero of the people. And you're a rational, decent human being.
"Sure, if you're talking about Moqtada Al-Sadr. Being happy about the execution means being happy about Al-Sadr's triumph, make no mistakes about this."
Sure, and you always post comments here criticizing the mook and praising America. The mook didn't execute hussein genius, and I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for him to seize power.
Even by leftist standards, you're hopelessly retarded.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 31, 2006 02:29 PM (abVz3)
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What makes you assume the people present at the execution were torturers, mass murderers and terrorists? I know you want to believe that they were praying to Mooktada, but the shites Saddam was convicted of killing decades ago were not followers of the mook, shit for brains.
So what made them shout "Moqtada, Moqtada!"? These pictures gives me as much satisfaction as would the picture of Stalin executed by people shouting "Heil Hitler". You can also read post at Gates of Vienna to understand what is so disgusting about this video. Gates of Vienna is hardly a lefty blog.
By the way, did you bother to read Garduneh's translation of the tape, or are you fluent in Arabic now, dipshit?
Yes, I did bother to read translations. Why do you swear all the time?
Sure. The mook got that seat in the government he wanted, and Alawi and Bush love him. He's a hero of the people. And you're a rational, decent human being.
Great. So Bush _did not_ invite Al-Sadr to the White House, he only invited the leader of Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution and of Badr Brigade, and Al-Sadr has only six seats in the government and PM as his good friend, so the things are not really that bad after all.
Sure, and you always post comments here criticizing the mook and praising America. The mook didn't execute hussein genius, and I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for him to seize power.
I don't post that many comments here. There's many reasons to praise America, but its politics in Iraq is not one of them. Al-Sadr didn't execute Saddam, his thugs did.
Then why wasn't that reported? Why was only "Moqtada" reported?
An interesting question, given the fact that it _was_ reported.
So what made them shout "Moqtada, Moqtada!"? These pictures gives me as much satisfaction as would the picture of Stalin executed by people shouting "Heil Hitler". You can also read post at Gates of Vienna to understand what is so disgusting about this video. Gates of Vienna is hardly a lefty blog.
By the way, did you bother to read Garduneh's translation of the tape, or are you fluent in Arabic now, dipshit?
Yes, I did bother to read translations. Why do you swear all the time?
Sure. The mook got that seat in the government he wanted, and Alawi and Bush love him. He's a hero of the people. And you're a rational, decent human being.
Great. So Bush _did not_ invite Al-Sadr to the White House, he only invited the leader of Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution and of Badr Brigade, and Al-Sadr has only six seats in the government and PM as his good friend, so the things are not really that bad after all.
Sure, and you always post comments here criticizing the mook and praising America. The mook didn't execute hussein genius, and I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for him to seize power.
I don't post that many comments here. There's many reasons to praise America, but its politics in Iraq is not one of them. Al-Sadr didn't execute Saddam, his thugs did.
Then why wasn't that reported? Why was only "Moqtada" reported?
An interesting question, given the fact that it _was_ reported.
Posted by: Nikolay at December 31, 2006 02:40 PM (f2+o3)
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They chant "Muhammad" first, "Moqtada" later.
Then why wasn't that reported? Why was only "Moqtada" reported?
You already know the answer.
They chant "Muhammad" first, "Moqtada" later.
Then why wasn't that reported? Why was only "Moqtada" reported?
You already know the answer.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 31, 2006 02:57 PM (8e/V4)
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I have to say, he [Saddam] died like a man. No pleading; and in the face of
hatred, whilst shackled like an animal, he remained defiant, dignified
and brave.
Yes, a true hero in your eyes.
I have no doubt the Left would have said exactly the same thing about Hitler had we captured him.
Let there be no remaining doubt that Liberalism is a mental disorder.
hatred, whilst shackled like an animal, he remained defiant, dignified
and brave.
Yes, a true hero in your eyes.
I have no doubt the Left would have said exactly the same thing about Hitler had we captured him.
Let there be no remaining doubt that Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 31, 2006 03:00 PM (8e/V4)
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Random Driveby:
I appreciated your inane comment. It shows others here how unprincipled, intellectualyl weak and hateful the left is. No one of any political stripe can deny that this scumbag deserved to swing on the gallows pole--except of course for the left, which is busy doing so on this very thread you claim to have read.
Your comment, on the other hand, reminded me of why the Iraq war has been a success despite the ongoing war against the war by the left and its Establishment Media mouthpiece. A tyrant overthrown, open elections held, a Constitution drafted, an infrastructure built, per capita income up, oil production up, agriculture thriving, exports up, the economy up, the rial up, a free press and television stations, and beat of all--hundreds of thousands of dead terrorists. "Operation Iraqi Freedom" the generals called it. All you good, honorable, left-thinking patriots (snicker!) who whine about well earned epithets like "dune coons," "filthy subhuman arabs," "islamopithecines," and "koranimals... aren't you the same folks who worked so hard to deny sweet freedom and democracy to the Middle East three years ago? Democracy only for the select elite, is that it?
Us real Americans wanted Hussein deposed first, and a far less bellicose, representative government installed second. The old status quo of tolerating tyrants and leaving the Middle East to fester as a recruitment center and training ground for terrorists is over. Afghanistan was first, Iraq was second, and Iran and Syria will be next. Break out the hankies, sleazeball, more tyrants are going down.
Funny thing about the overwhelming majority of people in the world who envy President Bush's leadership... you are outrageously stupid. You spew Orwellian propaganda slogans about democracy while trying your utmost to deny the Iraqis a chance to enjoy it. You decry Hussein's death, while screeching for the death of Bush. You claim to be pacifists, while waging war against America. You cry for tolerance while showing none.
We decent people recognize that that people who claim Abu Ghraib and Club Gitmo are comparable to the Soviet Gulags are scumbags, regardless of which flag they refuse to salute.
Drive on back to the sewer you crawled out of, loser.
I appreciated your inane comment. It shows others here how unprincipled, intellectualyl weak and hateful the left is. No one of any political stripe can deny that this scumbag deserved to swing on the gallows pole--except of course for the left, which is busy doing so on this very thread you claim to have read.
Your comment, on the other hand, reminded me of why the Iraq war has been a success despite the ongoing war against the war by the left and its Establishment Media mouthpiece. A tyrant overthrown, open elections held, a Constitution drafted, an infrastructure built, per capita income up, oil production up, agriculture thriving, exports up, the economy up, the rial up, a free press and television stations, and beat of all--hundreds of thousands of dead terrorists. "Operation Iraqi Freedom" the generals called it. All you good, honorable, left-thinking patriots (snicker!) who whine about well earned epithets like "dune coons," "filthy subhuman arabs," "islamopithecines," and "koranimals... aren't you the same folks who worked so hard to deny sweet freedom and democracy to the Middle East three years ago? Democracy only for the select elite, is that it?
Us real Americans wanted Hussein deposed first, and a far less bellicose, representative government installed second. The old status quo of tolerating tyrants and leaving the Middle East to fester as a recruitment center and training ground for terrorists is over. Afghanistan was first, Iraq was second, and Iran and Syria will be next. Break out the hankies, sleazeball, more tyrants are going down.
Funny thing about the overwhelming majority of people in the world who envy President Bush's leadership... you are outrageously stupid. You spew Orwellian propaganda slogans about democracy while trying your utmost to deny the Iraqis a chance to enjoy it. You decry Hussein's death, while screeching for the death of Bush. You claim to be pacifists, while waging war against America. You cry for tolerance while showing none.
We decent people recognize that that people who claim Abu Ghraib and Club Gitmo are comparable to the Soviet Gulags are scumbags, regardless of which flag they refuse to salute.
Drive on back to the sewer you crawled out of, loser.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 31, 2006 03:03 PM (abVz3)
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Howard:
The Dhimmiecrats just took control of Congress by campaigning on a Vietnam redux campaign of capitulation and lies, so yeah, we're screwed.
Thanks a lot, asshole.
The Dhimmiecrats just took control of Congress by campaigning on a Vietnam redux campaign of capitulation and lies, so yeah, we're screwed.
Thanks a lot, asshole.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 31, 2006 03:05 PM (abVz3)
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Random Driveby:
Do you not know the difference between a court trial and a lynching, or are you just an asshole?
No, you don't want big government to torture terrorists, you just want terrorists to walk free, America to be neutered, and tyrants to rule unmolested.
I bow before your superior morality and your enlightened government.
Only the scum of the Earth consistently criticize America while ignoring or excusing the world's real hellholes. This is a thread on the tyrant Saddam Hussein's well earned execution, and you've used it as a launching pad for your sophomoric anti-American diatribes. Of course, you fail to criticize the Eurotrash, Canadians and others who worked so hard to keep Hussein in power with the lucrative oil for palaces scam going. Punks like you are exactly why foreigners suck so hard. Save your sneering envy for the other losers. You have no moral capital. You're just another hypocritical hatemonger, projecting your own deficiencies onto your betters.
Saddam Hussein is dead, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it but whine. Blow me.
Do you not know the difference between a court trial and a lynching, or are you just an asshole?
No, you don't want big government to torture terrorists, you just want terrorists to walk free, America to be neutered, and tyrants to rule unmolested.
I bow before your superior morality and your enlightened government.
Only the scum of the Earth consistently criticize America while ignoring or excusing the world's real hellholes. This is a thread on the tyrant Saddam Hussein's well earned execution, and you've used it as a launching pad for your sophomoric anti-American diatribes. Of course, you fail to criticize the Eurotrash, Canadians and others who worked so hard to keep Hussein in power with the lucrative oil for palaces scam going. Punks like you are exactly why foreigners suck so hard. Save your sneering envy for the other losers. You have no moral capital. You're just another hypocritical hatemonger, projecting your own deficiencies onto your betters.
Saddam Hussein is dead, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it but whine. Blow me.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 31, 2006 03:24 PM (abVz3)
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There are way too many left wing idiots commenting on this topic. Like the idiot who states bush has killed more than saddam ever had. Saddam killed 180k in one failed swoop in the early 80's. You need to get you facts straight when commenting on this.
I think we all agree he needed to die, but give the Bush bullshit up. Remember your left wing counterparts voted for this war too.
Also incase you dont remember the MAJORITY of this country (USA) voted him back into office.
I think we all agree he needed to die, but give the Bush bullshit up. Remember your left wing counterparts voted for this war too.
Also incase you dont remember the MAJORITY of this country (USA) voted him back into office.
Posted by: Deez Nuts at December 31, 2006 04:10 PM (xAuqn)
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absurd thought -
God of the Universe sings
DING DONG THE BUTCHER’S DEAD…
if there is a BIG bad HELL
Saddam’s registered by now
.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe wept
when Saddam was killed
he wanted him pissed on
being dragged through Baghdad
.
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! HA HA HA HA HA...
God of the Universe sings
DING DONG THE BUTCHER’S DEAD…
if there is a BIG bad HELL
Saddam’s registered by now
.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe wept
when Saddam was killed
he wanted him pissed on
being dragged through Baghdad
.
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! HA HA HA HA HA...
Posted by: USpace at December 31, 2006 04:14 PM (HMm2Y)
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William:
Spare us the Eurotrash line about alleged American barbarism. Your crime and punishment analogies are fatuous. We don't execute thieves and rapists, but we sure as hell execute murderers. So do the Iraqis. If you want to coddle genocidal monsters, Europe is the place to go, if you aren't there already. (I strongly suspect you are.) The rest of the world doesn't give a rat's ass what you pussies think. The vast majority of the world's population supports the death penalty. Last time I checked, the majority of Eurotrash do too, but those people have no say in their own governments. We aren't going to release terrorists and other murderers to commit more murders like the Eurotrash do. That would be truly barbaric, especially for the innocent murder victims. Justice is executing a murderer. If the Iraqis had wanted to hurt Hussein, they would've used his own torture methods against him and any family he has.
Saddam hurt those he thought of as enemies, and that's what the Iraqi courts did to him? What a juvenile distortion of reality. Saddam hurt anyone who could possibly threaten his power, and anyone who displeased him. There was no quid pro quo.
As you left-wing freaks love to claim, imprisoning someone is supposedly worse than granting them a quick death, so I fail to see the judicial savagery. Of course you imbeciles also claim that imprisonment is more humane than execution. You'll understand why normal people doubt your honesty.
"(Saddam) was a savage but judicial savagery doesn't redress that. I have to say, he died like a man. No pleading; and in the face of hatred, whilst shackled like an animal, he remained defiant, dignified and brave. I wonder if Bush or Blair would've met their end with such courage. For all of those calling for torture: you are no better than him."
Saddam died a broken man. What film did you watch? He was quaking, forlorn, and submissive. He was an animal, although I don't think the shackles were necessary. No longer the defiant, undignified blowhard of old, he died meek, broken and resigned. I actually felt a twang of pity for him, but that doesn't mean I would condone locking him up until someone decided to pardon him. He had to go, not that it was your decision to make.
We all know you hypocritical, passive-aggressive pacifists abhor the execution of genocidal monsters, but get sexually aroused over the thought of Bush and Blair being executed. What contemptible cockroaches you are. We'll never know how they would meet the left's hypothetical end, BECAUSE THEY AREN'T GENOCIDAL WAR CRIMINALS, NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU RETARDS CLAIM THEY ARE.
Vermin like you who would allow a terrorist plot to be carried out because you refused to torture a prisoner are just as bad as the terrorists.
I wish America did torture terrorists and traitors.
Spare us the Eurotrash line about alleged American barbarism. Your crime and punishment analogies are fatuous. We don't execute thieves and rapists, but we sure as hell execute murderers. So do the Iraqis. If you want to coddle genocidal monsters, Europe is the place to go, if you aren't there already. (I strongly suspect you are.) The rest of the world doesn't give a rat's ass what you pussies think. The vast majority of the world's population supports the death penalty. Last time I checked, the majority of Eurotrash do too, but those people have no say in their own governments. We aren't going to release terrorists and other murderers to commit more murders like the Eurotrash do. That would be truly barbaric, especially for the innocent murder victims. Justice is executing a murderer. If the Iraqis had wanted to hurt Hussein, they would've used his own torture methods against him and any family he has.
Saddam hurt those he thought of as enemies, and that's what the Iraqi courts did to him? What a juvenile distortion of reality. Saddam hurt anyone who could possibly threaten his power, and anyone who displeased him. There was no quid pro quo.
As you left-wing freaks love to claim, imprisoning someone is supposedly worse than granting them a quick death, so I fail to see the judicial savagery. Of course you imbeciles also claim that imprisonment is more humane than execution. You'll understand why normal people doubt your honesty.
"(Saddam) was a savage but judicial savagery doesn't redress that. I have to say, he died like a man. No pleading; and in the face of hatred, whilst shackled like an animal, he remained defiant, dignified and brave. I wonder if Bush or Blair would've met their end with such courage. For all of those calling for torture: you are no better than him."
Saddam died a broken man. What film did you watch? He was quaking, forlorn, and submissive. He was an animal, although I don't think the shackles were necessary. No longer the defiant, undignified blowhard of old, he died meek, broken and resigned. I actually felt a twang of pity for him, but that doesn't mean I would condone locking him up until someone decided to pardon him. He had to go, not that it was your decision to make.
We all know you hypocritical, passive-aggressive pacifists abhor the execution of genocidal monsters, but get sexually aroused over the thought of Bush and Blair being executed. What contemptible cockroaches you are. We'll never know how they would meet the left's hypothetical end, BECAUSE THEY AREN'T GENOCIDAL WAR CRIMINALS, NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU RETARDS CLAIM THEY ARE.
Vermin like you who would allow a terrorist plot to be carried out because you refused to torture a prisoner are just as bad as the terrorists.
I wish America did torture terrorists and traitors.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 31, 2006 04:37 PM (abVz3)
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Ja:
"It must be great being honestly more intelligent than a stupid camel jockey troll and not one of the stupidest people on the planet and neither a member of the America-last left, who are probably the second stupidist group of assholes on the planet."
Jawohl. It still doesn't suck. Being able to write proper sentences ain't bad either.
Hussein is still dead. Cry me a river, moonbat.
"It must be great being honestly more intelligent than a stupid camel jockey troll and not one of the stupidest people on the planet and neither a member of the America-last left, who are probably the second stupidist group of assholes on the planet."
Jawohl. It still doesn't suck. Being able to write proper sentences ain't bad either.
Hussein is still dead. Cry me a river, moonbat.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 31, 2006 04:42 PM (abVz3)
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A revenge killing if ever there was one, and so the circle continues.
Eye for an Eye I hear you say.......
When will someone realise this gets people no where.
Eye for an Eye I hear you say.......
When will someone realise this gets people no where.
Posted by: M at December 31, 2006 04:50 PM (/H09f)
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Timbecile:
Saddam was not an innocent aid worker. There is no comparison between his filmed execution and terrorist snuff flicks, other than the visual similarity.
YOU are a vile and disgusting creature.
Saddam was not an innocent aid worker. There is no comparison between his filmed execution and terrorist snuff flicks, other than the visual similarity.
YOU are a vile and disgusting creature.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 31, 2006 04:52 PM (abVz3)
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Will nobody mourn the death of the best modern-times ally against Iran the USA has had? What made him useful was the murderous unprincipled warlike monstrosity of the man - and now we decry as faults those attributes that earlier rendered him (if you will pardon that expression) so attractive. He was taken down on the basis of (among other pretexts) false claims that he was developing nukular weapons - but now we know that all along it was the common enemy next door who had set the centrifuges spinning.
Sure he was a beast who deserved to die - but it is an inscrutable Chinese smile that is best justified this New Year of 2007.
Sure he was a beast who deserved to die - but it is an inscrutable Chinese smile that is best justified this New Year of 2007.
Posted by: Melissa Back at December 31, 2006 05:00 PM (u0/hV)
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listen you bunch of perthetic racists who think that all muslims are wrong you are the ones who invented the word disgrace, what saddam did was rong ok but hanging him like that and laughing makes him and you equal cuz i know for a fact that you dolls would have shited straight away in front of him so carfull what you chat cuz some 1 mite not like it and get back to you personaly!!.
Posted by: justicee at December 31, 2006 05:04 PM (Ej43g)
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listen you bunch of perthetic racists who think that all muslims are wrong you are the ones who invented the word disgrace, what saddam did was rong ok but hanging him like that and laughing makes him and you equal cuz i know for a fact that you dolls would have shited straight away in front of him so carfull what you chat cuz some 1 mite not like it and get back to you personaly!!.
Posted by: justicee at December 31, 2006 05:17 PM (Ej43g)
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Was 3,000 American lives worth this dude? I think not. George W is full of s***.
Posted by: Jones at December 31, 2006 05:20 PM (jWnTu)
90
Niksogay:
"So what made them shout 'Moqtada, Moqtada!?'"
They didn't shout the mook's name. Not that that has anything to do with the fact that Hussein was convicted for killing shites that weren't followers of mookie.
"These pictures gives me as much satisfaction as would the picture of Stalin executed by people shouting "Heil Hitler". You can also read post at Gates of Vienna to understand what is so disgusting about this video. Gates of Vienna is hardly a lefty blog."
Your reply is nonsensical. Besides, Hitler and Stalin were both left-wingers like you. You would never condone their execution under any circumstances. Your fellow travellers put them in power.
I don't care why somebody at "Gates of Vienna" thinks the video was disgusting. Whether it's disgusting or not is not for you or anyone else to decree.
"Yes, I did bother to read translations. Why do you swear all the time?"
I didn't ask if you read translations, I asked if you read Garduneh's comment. I'm not interested in any phony translations you read on moonbat sites. Why do you defend evil all the time?
"Great. So Bush _did not_ invite Al-Sadr to the White House, he only invited the leader of Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution and of Badr Brigade, and Al-Sadr has only six seats in the government and PM as his good friend, so the things are not really that bad after all."
Meaningless jibber jabber. Roosevelt regularly met with Stalin. Did that make him a Nazi like you retards love to describe Bush? Your BDS causes you to criticize Bush for talking to some scumbag, but excuse Clinton for promoting that terrorist piece of shit, Yasser Arafat. I have friends in the U.S. government. Does that make me a mass murdering dictater? You stupidly claimed Mookie was going to take Hussein's place and I called you on it.
"I don't post that many comments here. There's many reasons to praise America, but its politics in Iraq is not one of them. Al-Sadr didn't execute Saddam, his thugs did."
One comment by a scum-sucker like you is one too many. Yes, there are many reasons to praise America, but you've never done it once. All you do is smear America with every comment you make. You don't praise the overthrow of a tyrant and the creation of a representative government because all your talk about freedom and justice is nothing but verbal flatulence. The mook's thugs didn't execute Saddam, the family members of his victims did. You are a bald faced liar.
[Then why wasn't that reported? Why was only "Moqtada" reported?]
"An interesting question, given the fact that it _was_ reported."
I never asked that question, dipshit. I will ask this one though: Why was the burning shite story reported? The Qana incident? Al Reuters? Lyin' Joe Wilson? The fake-but-accurate memo, and thousands of other lies each day?
You're a buffoon.
"So what made them shout 'Moqtada, Moqtada!?'"
They didn't shout the mook's name. Not that that has anything to do with the fact that Hussein was convicted for killing shites that weren't followers of mookie.
"These pictures gives me as much satisfaction as would the picture of Stalin executed by people shouting "Heil Hitler". You can also read post at Gates of Vienna to understand what is so disgusting about this video. Gates of Vienna is hardly a lefty blog."
Your reply is nonsensical. Besides, Hitler and Stalin were both left-wingers like you. You would never condone their execution under any circumstances. Your fellow travellers put them in power.
I don't care why somebody at "Gates of Vienna" thinks the video was disgusting. Whether it's disgusting or not is not for you or anyone else to decree.
"Yes, I did bother to read translations. Why do you swear all the time?"
I didn't ask if you read translations, I asked if you read Garduneh's comment. I'm not interested in any phony translations you read on moonbat sites. Why do you defend evil all the time?
"Great. So Bush _did not_ invite Al-Sadr to the White House, he only invited the leader of Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution and of Badr Brigade, and Al-Sadr has only six seats in the government and PM as his good friend, so the things are not really that bad after all."
Meaningless jibber jabber. Roosevelt regularly met with Stalin. Did that make him a Nazi like you retards love to describe Bush? Your BDS causes you to criticize Bush for talking to some scumbag, but excuse Clinton for promoting that terrorist piece of shit, Yasser Arafat. I have friends in the U.S. government. Does that make me a mass murdering dictater? You stupidly claimed Mookie was going to take Hussein's place and I called you on it.
"I don't post that many comments here. There's many reasons to praise America, but its politics in Iraq is not one of them. Al-Sadr didn't execute Saddam, his thugs did."
One comment by a scum-sucker like you is one too many. Yes, there are many reasons to praise America, but you've never done it once. All you do is smear America with every comment you make. You don't praise the overthrow of a tyrant and the creation of a representative government because all your talk about freedom and justice is nothing but verbal flatulence. The mook's thugs didn't execute Saddam, the family members of his victims did. You are a bald faced liar.
[Then why wasn't that reported? Why was only "Moqtada" reported?]
"An interesting question, given the fact that it _was_ reported."
I never asked that question, dipshit. I will ask this one though: Why was the burning shite story reported? The Qana incident? Al Reuters? Lyin' Joe Wilson? The fake-but-accurate memo, and thousands of other lies each day?
You're a buffoon.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 31, 2006 05:24 PM (abVz3)
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its good hes dead,but nothing can change the fact that that
Bible toting imbecile Paul Bremer completely ruined the whole country with his actions,snuff said.
its good hes dead,but nothing can change the fact that that
Bible toting imbecile Paul Bremer completely ruined the whole country with his actions,snuff said.
Posted by: tim at December 31, 2006 05:37 PM (AOvmM)
Posted by: Matt at December 31, 2006 05:44 PM (zvyun)
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They didn't shout the mook's name. Not that that has anything to do with the fact that Hussein was convicted for killing shites that weren't followers of mookie.
They did, but you probably live in the alternative dimension.
I didn't ask if you read translations, I asked if you read Garduneh's comment. I'm not interested in any phony translations you read on moonbat sites. Why do you defend evil all the time?
No I didn't read Garduneh's comment. "Phony translations", great. You insist on living in alternative reality.
Do you also consider Patterico, who thinks it was an excellent Sadr's PR stunt and Allahpundit, who calls it a hit-job some kinds of moonbats?
Your reply is nonsensical. Besides, Hitler and Stalin were both left-wingers like you.
Here you just crossed the line. Fuck you, insane moron, how dare you project your sick fantasies on me. Never in my life did I have any good feeling for the butcher that did all the things to my country (Stalin). Fuck you, may you burn in hell for your insolence.
Meaningless jibber jabber. Roosevelt regularly met with Stalin. Did that make him a Nazi like you retards love to describe Bush?
I don't believe FDR praised Stalin in the way Bush praised Al-Hakim or Iraqi Parliament speaker Mashhadani who thinks all the evil in the world comes from jooos.
I never described Bush as a Nazi. He's stupid, that's all. Not evil in any sense.
I never asked that question, dipshit.
That was an answer to other's question.
Why was the burning shite story reported? The Qana incident? Al Reuters? Lyin' Joe Wilson? The fake-but-accurate memo, and thousands of other lies each day?
What has this to do with Saddam's execution. Do you honestly believe that executioners shouting "Moqtada" was some sort of fabrication?
They did, but you probably live in the alternative dimension.
I didn't ask if you read translations, I asked if you read Garduneh's comment. I'm not interested in any phony translations you read on moonbat sites. Why do you defend evil all the time?
No I didn't read Garduneh's comment. "Phony translations", great. You insist on living in alternative reality.
Do you also consider Patterico, who thinks it was an excellent Sadr's PR stunt and Allahpundit, who calls it a hit-job some kinds of moonbats?
Your reply is nonsensical. Besides, Hitler and Stalin were both left-wingers like you.
Here you just crossed the line. Fuck you, insane moron, how dare you project your sick fantasies on me. Never in my life did I have any good feeling for the butcher that did all the things to my country (Stalin). Fuck you, may you burn in hell for your insolence.
Meaningless jibber jabber. Roosevelt regularly met with Stalin. Did that make him a Nazi like you retards love to describe Bush?
I don't believe FDR praised Stalin in the way Bush praised Al-Hakim or Iraqi Parliament speaker Mashhadani who thinks all the evil in the world comes from jooos.
I never described Bush as a Nazi. He's stupid, that's all. Not evil in any sense.
I never asked that question, dipshit.
That was an answer to other's question.
Why was the burning shite story reported? The Qana incident? Al Reuters? Lyin' Joe Wilson? The fake-but-accurate memo, and thousands of other lies each day?
What has this to do with Saddam's execution. Do you honestly believe that executioners shouting "Moqtada" was some sort of fabrication?
Posted by: Nikolay at December 31, 2006 05:49 PM (RfRKC)
94
I'll pray for him. LIKE SHIT.
Posted by: Greyrooster at December 31, 2006 06:40 PM (fVQPt)
95
Justicee: Idiot! All us muslim haters are racists. I'm waiting punk. Anytime.
Posted by: Greyrooster at December 31, 2006 06:44 PM (fVQPt)
96
So Saddam brutally put down a Shia insurgancy in the land he ruled. What do you think the US troops are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Yep basically the same thing. To call it genocide is a complete joke. He did not systematically kill any race, only those who were intend on killing him.
You even see fit and healty people, all limbs intact who claim they were tortured by his regeime, seem he was not brutal enough in that respect then?
Maybe those who despise him should have a go at running Iraq, the current government doesn't seem to have much of a clue how to do it, at least not without torture and death squads.
At least in Saddams case his regeime brought relative peace to the country. They even had oil water and electricity you know!! (despite all the sanctions) now they have neither despite billions of dollars of aid.
Seems Saddam has had a lot of bad press!!
Yep basically the same thing. To call it genocide is a complete joke. He did not systematically kill any race, only those who were intend on killing him.
You even see fit and healty people, all limbs intact who claim they were tortured by his regeime, seem he was not brutal enough in that respect then?
Maybe those who despise him should have a go at running Iraq, the current government doesn't seem to have much of a clue how to do it, at least not without torture and death squads.
At least in Saddams case his regeime brought relative peace to the country. They even had oil water and electricity you know!! (despite all the sanctions) now they have neither despite billions of dollars of aid.
Seems Saddam has had a lot of bad press!!
Posted by: bob mathews at December 31, 2006 06:47 PM (7Gya6)
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Timbecile:
You're amazingly uninformed. Free elections, a representative government, a Constitution, per capita income soaring, economy tripled, currency rates rising steadily, exports have begun for the first time since before hussein seized power, agriculture is flourishing, oil production is booming, infrastructure has been built from one that scarcely existed before, a free news media has arisen, hussein executed, etc., etc., etc.
Nuff said.
You're amazingly uninformed. Free elections, a representative government, a Constitution, per capita income soaring, economy tripled, currency rates rising steadily, exports have begun for the first time since before hussein seized power, agriculture is flourishing, oil production is booming, infrastructure has been built from one that scarcely existed before, a free news media has arisen, hussein executed, etc., etc., etc.
Nuff said.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 31, 2006 06:58 PM (abVz3)
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Matt:
Like every advancement in Iraq: embraced by the left! (dripping with sarcasm.)
By the way, check a dictionary for the difference between sarcasm and smarm--because you obviously don't know it.
Like every advancement in Iraq: embraced by the left! (dripping with sarcasm.)
By the way, check a dictionary for the difference between sarcasm and smarm--because you obviously don't know it.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 31, 2006 07:02 PM (abVz3)
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M at:
Justice if there ever was any.
There's no such thing as a "circle of violence." There is only personal responsibility. Not that a leftist retard would know anything about that. Hussein will not be gouging out anybody else's eyes. Does that make you sad? Methinks it does.
Allowing tyrants to murder indiscrimantely is wrong. When will moonbats learn that?
Justice if there ever was any.
There's no such thing as a "circle of violence." There is only personal responsibility. Not that a leftist retard would know anything about that. Hussein will not be gouging out anybody else's eyes. Does that make you sad? Methinks it does.
Allowing tyrants to murder indiscrimantely is wrong. When will moonbats learn that?
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 31, 2006 07:09 PM (abVz3)
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Melissa Barks:
The U.S. did not force Saddam to go to war with Iran, sweetheart. Stalin and Mao were allies of convenience against the Axis powers. Do you have any complaints about that? Why do you care if vicious tyrants are used and tossed aside?
Admit it. You miss Saddam, because he used to thumb his nose at Amerikkka.
Maybe you can explain the nuclear centrifuges found buried in his top nuclear physicist's garden. The physicist led the Coalition right to them, and wrote a book on the subject entitled: "The Bomb In My Garden." Just one of those pesky doses of reality you moonbat assholes are allergic to. Not that bush overthrew hussein over WMD, or ever claimed to. The only simps to make that claim are the same lefties who once swore up and down that if America were to invade iraq, Hussein would unleash WMD on American troops and American cities.
Your racist comment about Chinese does little to justify the terrorist appeasing lowlifes coming into Congress. We'll see if they transform America into Utopia. Don't count on it, retard.
Things didn't work out the way you wanted them to, did they? Saddam is dead and the Iraqis are celebrating. It's none of you fucking business, so go cry on someone else's shoulder.
The U.S. did not force Saddam to go to war with Iran, sweetheart. Stalin and Mao were allies of convenience against the Axis powers. Do you have any complaints about that? Why do you care if vicious tyrants are used and tossed aside?
Admit it. You miss Saddam, because he used to thumb his nose at Amerikkka.
Maybe you can explain the nuclear centrifuges found buried in his top nuclear physicist's garden. The physicist led the Coalition right to them, and wrote a book on the subject entitled: "The Bomb In My Garden." Just one of those pesky doses of reality you moonbat assholes are allergic to. Not that bush overthrew hussein over WMD, or ever claimed to. The only simps to make that claim are the same lefties who once swore up and down that if America were to invade iraq, Hussein would unleash WMD on American troops and American cities.
Your racist comment about Chinese does little to justify the terrorist appeasing lowlifes coming into Congress. We'll see if they transform America into Utopia. Don't count on it, retard.
Things didn't work out the way you wanted them to, did they? Saddam is dead and the Iraqis are celebrating. It's none of you fucking business, so go cry on someone else's shoulder.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 31, 2006 07:22 PM (abVz3)
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Was 3,000 American lives worth this dude? I think not. George W is full of s***.
As the folks at Time said: "The death toll for U.S. soldiers in Iraq has reached 3,000, a number
that's both unbearable and, compared to previous military operations, a
pittance."
How true. But we all know you Leftards don't give a rat's @ss about our soldiers. You
cite their deaths only as political fodder. They know it, we know it,
and you know it. We all know it.
As the folks at Time said: "The death toll for U.S. soldiers in Iraq has reached 3,000, a number
that's both unbearable and, compared to previous military operations, a
pittance."
How true. But we all know you Leftards don't give a rat's @ss about our soldiers. You
cite their deaths only as political fodder. They know it, we know it,
and you know it. We all know it.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 31, 2006 07:26 PM (8e/V4)
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Justpissed:
"listen you bunch of perthetic racists who think that all muslims are wrong you are the ones who invented the word disgrace, what saddam did was rong ok but hanging him like that and laughing makes him and you equal cuz i know for a fact that you dolls would have shited straight away in front of him so carfull what you chat cuz some 1 mite not like it and get back to you personaly!!."
Islamopithecines aren't a race, you illiterate cretin. We invented the word "disgrace" for you koranimals, Saddam died like the weakling that he was, and the worst American who ever lived was more than his equal.
I'm in the Omaha NE phonebook, so feel free to get back to me personally anytime, pussywhip. Are you going to get back to me the same way your islamopithecine brothers get back to the Coalition? The Coalition is killing more than 100 cowards a day, even though they run every time an American comes within 5 miles. They're all in hell with that prophet pretender, child molester, sex offender Muhammad (piece of shit be upon him.)
See you soon coward.
"listen you bunch of perthetic racists who think that all muslims are wrong you are the ones who invented the word disgrace, what saddam did was rong ok but hanging him like that and laughing makes him and you equal cuz i know for a fact that you dolls would have shited straight away in front of him so carfull what you chat cuz some 1 mite not like it and get back to you personaly!!."
Islamopithecines aren't a race, you illiterate cretin. We invented the word "disgrace" for you koranimals, Saddam died like the weakling that he was, and the worst American who ever lived was more than his equal.
I'm in the Omaha NE phonebook, so feel free to get back to me personally anytime, pussywhip. Are you going to get back to me the same way your islamopithecine brothers get back to the Coalition? The Coalition is killing more than 100 cowards a day, even though they run every time an American comes within 5 miles. They're all in hell with that prophet pretender, child molester, sex offender Muhammad (piece of shit be upon him.)
See you soon coward.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 31, 2006 07:32 PM (abVz3)
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Jonesing:
3000 Americans didn't die to get Saddam, not that you care about the people who died.
Hundreds of thousands of Americans have died to ensure asshats like you have the right to shoot their traitorous mouths off. You weren't worth it, but they didn't do it for you. You're a piece of shit.
3000 Americans didn't die to get Saddam, not that you care about the people who died.
Hundreds of thousands of Americans have died to ensure asshats like you have the right to shoot their traitorous mouths off. You weren't worth it, but they didn't do it for you. You're a piece of shit.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 31, 2006 07:37 PM (abVz3)
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How to became an animal... do like him Shame on the "humans" peoples, only god can punish him, not the "human" justice i'am not muslim, i'am not palestinian...I'am just an human, shame on Bush the most criminal of the world, ask to the 3000 dead GI's and all others soldiers who will dies
Posted by: Renaud at December 31, 2006 07:39 PM (IsCMY)
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Pourquoi Saddam Hussein, n'as t'il pas été jugé pour tous ses autres crimes, pourquoi l'à t'on éxécuté alors qu'il avait tant à payer, pourquoi ce procès baclé et cette execution si rapide, je suis contre la peine de mort, pourquoi n'avoir pas permis aux kurdes et aux chiites d'avoir les réponses à leur question et un procès pour les leurs...qu'ont donc les gouvernements des peuples dits "civilisés" ne sont pas intervenus pour que l'on garde ce type croupir dans des geôles ou il aurait pu comprendre sa souffrance si les gouvernements civilisés dont ceux qu'ils l'ont poussé au pouvoir comme les talibans ont étés mis au pouvoir par l'entremise de l'oncle Sam avaient ils peur de ce que pouvait dire Saddam?
Posted by: Renaud at December 31, 2006 07:54 PM (IsCMY)
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As much as he needed to be hung, they just didnt do it right, all that chanting shit ruined it for me, I dont know, it just didnt seem right to me, thats exactly the reason hitler shot himself. It shoulda been clean, it was dirty, just wasnt what I expected, they should arose above that sectarian shit and served justice not revenge, easy for me to say I know.
Posted by: Dave Clarke at December 31, 2006 08:28 PM (l5BmE)
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WOW i can't belive i watched it.. more than once..
Posted by: linda at December 31, 2006 08:51 PM (6w5xL)
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Niksogay:
(They didn't shout the mook's name. Not that that has anything to do with the fact that Hussein was convicted for killing shites that weren't followers of mookie.)
"They did, but you probably live in the alternative dimension."
As usual you pettifog rather than address the point. The Mook is not the new Emperor, so it doesn't matter if anyone shouted his name after a chorus of "Muhammad." I played the tape again and didn't hear it, but i couldn't care less if some dipshit said "Mookie!" Idiots like you screech names like "Kerry!" "Hilary!" and "Mommy!" all the time. Doesn't mean a thing. I do live in an alternate dimension to the one you live in. It's called reality. Enjoy FantasyLand and your political prognostications. I'm sure the Mook will be heading to the White house for a state dinner any day now.
"No I didn't read Garduneh's comment. "Phony translations", great. You insist on living in alternative reality.
Do you also consider Patterico, who thinks it was an excellent Sadr's PR stunt and Allahpundit, who calls it a hit-job some kinds of moonbats?"
Of course you didn't read garduneh's comment. Why would you read something by a real, live, former Middle Easterner, unless it's anti-American drivel? Yes, phony translations. I don't believe you read one at all. You just regurgitated what the Establishment Media reported. Where is your translation? Other than the translation from fact to fantasy by the EM.
I don't know how a PR stunt equates to a new mass murdering leader of Iraq in the real world (alternative reality indeed,) but assuming you're presenting Allahpundit's opinion honestly--a big assumption on my part--that doesn't change a thing. Not being a leftist, I don't march in lockstep with my moderate comrades. Allahpundit is certainly welcome to his own opinion, but I seldom agree with him, and a court ordered execution is not a "hit-job" unless the 9th circus court orders it.
"Here you just crossed the line. Fuck you, insane moron, how dare you project your sick fantasies on me. Never in my life did I have any good feeling for the butcher that did all the things to my country (Stalin). Fuck you, may you burn in hell for your insolence."
If you hate Stalin and want me to fuck you, why do you spout Soviet agitprop every time you leave a comment? You're one of those deeply ignorant unconscious marxists, aren't you? You're too stupid and ignorant to know that the multy-culty, politically correct, class warfare, social grievance, government as oppressor, socialistic, anti-American crap you spew constantly was all developed as subversive propaganda under Stalin, who you ironically hate. Way to honor the people he butchered. Who's the insane moron? I know where my ideas come from. Are you man enough to own up to where yours come from? I'm not crying over the death of a genocidal murderer, by the way. For someone who hates the memory of Uncle Joe, you sure are cavalier about saddam's crimes. Not sure I'll go to Hell for baiting you with insolent comments, but hey, you can dream. That's what you seem to do best. You can dream about me fucking you, too.
"I don't believe FDR praised Stalin in the way Bush praised Al-Hakim or Iraqi Parliament speaker Mashhadani who thinks all the evil in the world comes from jooos.
I never described Bush as a Nazi. He's stupid, that's all. Not evil in any sense."
You don't think Roosevelt heaped praise on Stalin because you're ignorant of history. Bush never commented on those mens' work on Iraq's government, not their personal character, and he did it for political reasons only, much like Rooseveelt did with Stalin. Al Hawkinah and Mashadorky haven't starved millions of Ukranians, as far as I know.
Did you go to Yale? What was your GPA? You cant even recognize the threat posed by islam, and you call the President stupid? Do you think you're smarter than he is?
"That was an answer to other's question."
If you want to ask another person a question, you need to address that person. Otherwise they cant answer you and there's no point in asking the question.
"What has this to do with Saddam's execution. Do you honestly believe that executioners shouting "Moqtada" was some sort of fabrication?"
Because the Establishment Media reported that the crowd chanted "Mookie," rather than "Muhammad." This is an outright lie, and a disingenuous attempt to get gullible people to believe what you do, and downplay the progress Saddam's execution represents.
Saddam is still dead, the mook is still a dead man walking, and you're still full of shit.
(They didn't shout the mook's name. Not that that has anything to do with the fact that Hussein was convicted for killing shites that weren't followers of mookie.)
"They did, but you probably live in the alternative dimension."
As usual you pettifog rather than address the point. The Mook is not the new Emperor, so it doesn't matter if anyone shouted his name after a chorus of "Muhammad." I played the tape again and didn't hear it, but i couldn't care less if some dipshit said "Mookie!" Idiots like you screech names like "Kerry!" "Hilary!" and "Mommy!" all the time. Doesn't mean a thing. I do live in an alternate dimension to the one you live in. It's called reality. Enjoy FantasyLand and your political prognostications. I'm sure the Mook will be heading to the White house for a state dinner any day now.
"No I didn't read Garduneh's comment. "Phony translations", great. You insist on living in alternative reality.
Do you also consider Patterico, who thinks it was an excellent Sadr's PR stunt and Allahpundit, who calls it a hit-job some kinds of moonbats?"
Of course you didn't read garduneh's comment. Why would you read something by a real, live, former Middle Easterner, unless it's anti-American drivel? Yes, phony translations. I don't believe you read one at all. You just regurgitated what the Establishment Media reported. Where is your translation? Other than the translation from fact to fantasy by the EM.
I don't know how a PR stunt equates to a new mass murdering leader of Iraq in the real world (alternative reality indeed,) but assuming you're presenting Allahpundit's opinion honestly--a big assumption on my part--that doesn't change a thing. Not being a leftist, I don't march in lockstep with my moderate comrades. Allahpundit is certainly welcome to his own opinion, but I seldom agree with him, and a court ordered execution is not a "hit-job" unless the 9th circus court orders it.
"Here you just crossed the line. Fuck you, insane moron, how dare you project your sick fantasies on me. Never in my life did I have any good feeling for the butcher that did all the things to my country (Stalin). Fuck you, may you burn in hell for your insolence."
If you hate Stalin and want me to fuck you, why do you spout Soviet agitprop every time you leave a comment? You're one of those deeply ignorant unconscious marxists, aren't you? You're too stupid and ignorant to know that the multy-culty, politically correct, class warfare, social grievance, government as oppressor, socialistic, anti-American crap you spew constantly was all developed as subversive propaganda under Stalin, who you ironically hate. Way to honor the people he butchered. Who's the insane moron? I know where my ideas come from. Are you man enough to own up to where yours come from? I'm not crying over the death of a genocidal murderer, by the way. For someone who hates the memory of Uncle Joe, you sure are cavalier about saddam's crimes. Not sure I'll go to Hell for baiting you with insolent comments, but hey, you can dream. That's what you seem to do best. You can dream about me fucking you, too.
"I don't believe FDR praised Stalin in the way Bush praised Al-Hakim or Iraqi Parliament speaker Mashhadani who thinks all the evil in the world comes from jooos.
I never described Bush as a Nazi. He's stupid, that's all. Not evil in any sense."
You don't think Roosevelt heaped praise on Stalin because you're ignorant of history. Bush never commented on those mens' work on Iraq's government, not their personal character, and he did it for political reasons only, much like Rooseveelt did with Stalin. Al Hawkinah and Mashadorky haven't starved millions of Ukranians, as far as I know.
Did you go to Yale? What was your GPA? You cant even recognize the threat posed by islam, and you call the President stupid? Do you think you're smarter than he is?
"That was an answer to other's question."
If you want to ask another person a question, you need to address that person. Otherwise they cant answer you and there's no point in asking the question.
"What has this to do with Saddam's execution. Do you honestly believe that executioners shouting "Moqtada" was some sort of fabrication?"
Because the Establishment Media reported that the crowd chanted "Mookie," rather than "Muhammad." This is an outright lie, and a disingenuous attempt to get gullible people to believe what you do, and downplay the progress Saddam's execution represents.
Saddam is still dead, the mook is still a dead man walking, and you're still full of shit.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 31, 2006 08:59 PM (abVz3)
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I am more disgusted at the barbarism and the cruelty of the insensitive people writing these comments that make them worse than Saddam himself. Right or wrong, he did what he did as a leader of a nation, but your cruelty of some of the comments is proper of cowards who did not go to war and hide in their comfort of their homes in a morbid enjoyment of someone else's suffering. Specialy "Jesusland" Carlos. Sounds like one spanic maybe born or migrated to the US, whose brain and soul has been sold and has lost his identity. It would do a lot of good if he learns the history from his ancestors land and learn something about the same insensitive cruelty being applied on us, or maybe thats all part of the CIA brain washing as to convert to american kind of protestantism and leaving the true religion of his parents, Catholicism, the only true religion.
Anyway, I hope God has forgiven Hussein for his crimes and sins and also forgives all of you because you dont know what you are doing.
One day God's judgement will be on us all, I want to see you guys there.
El MONJE.
Anyway, I hope God has forgiven Hussein for his crimes and sins and also forgives all of you because you dont know what you are doing.
One day God's judgement will be on us all, I want to see you guys there.
El MONJE.
Posted by: EL_MONJE at December 31, 2006 09:00 PM (M/58E)
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Omaha must be a pretty scary place.
Posted by: civilbehavior at December 31, 2006 09:02 PM (SGHzB)
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He was a human being after all, twisted evil human being ,but still I pray for hids soul no one deserves the death penalty!!!
Posted by: Mr.Me at December 31, 2006 09:25 PM (DlFKr)
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Boob Mathews:
Your screed is so full of inaccuracies and lies it isn't even worth refuting, but what the hell. I enjoy swatiing moonbats.
Americans are not murdering the children and other family members of those who tried to overthrow a tyrant. The terrorist scum they are killing are murdering women, children and other innocents. The terrorists are not trying to overthrow a tyrant. They are not even insurgents. They have no desire to rule Iraq, and there is no organized rebel group. You are an idiot.
Apparently all the film of Saddam torturing people is fake, and people cut their own limbs and genitals off, gouged out their eyes, and ripped out their tongues just to fool you. I think you have real victims confused with Psuedostinian and Hizb' allah actors.
Genocide is not confined to race.
The current government is doing a far better job than the butcher of Baghdad ever did, although you obviously would prefer to see the terrorists presiding over chaos.
Ah yes. No moonbat description of Iraq would be complete without the stories about peaceful rape rooms, torture chambers and mass graves. You forgot the happy children flying kites.
If you bothered to read anything besides three year old left-wing propaganda, you'd know that Iraq never had decent water or electrical service, and the oil fields were falling apart. Now they have better utilities than ever, and they're pumping more oil than they did under Saddam. Not even the New York Times is peddling the canard of a broken infrastructure anymore, and the Times writers lie every chance they get.
Seems like someone is willing to believe the bad press about Iraq--bad press that's three years out of date. You might want to check the dates on the Kos pieces your reading.
Fucking retard.
Your screed is so full of inaccuracies and lies it isn't even worth refuting, but what the hell. I enjoy swatiing moonbats.
Americans are not murdering the children and other family members of those who tried to overthrow a tyrant. The terrorist scum they are killing are murdering women, children and other innocents. The terrorists are not trying to overthrow a tyrant. They are not even insurgents. They have no desire to rule Iraq, and there is no organized rebel group. You are an idiot.
Apparently all the film of Saddam torturing people is fake, and people cut their own limbs and genitals off, gouged out their eyes, and ripped out their tongues just to fool you. I think you have real victims confused with Psuedostinian and Hizb' allah actors.
Genocide is not confined to race.
The current government is doing a far better job than the butcher of Baghdad ever did, although you obviously would prefer to see the terrorists presiding over chaos.
Ah yes. No moonbat description of Iraq would be complete without the stories about peaceful rape rooms, torture chambers and mass graves. You forgot the happy children flying kites.
If you bothered to read anything besides three year old left-wing propaganda, you'd know that Iraq never had decent water or electrical service, and the oil fields were falling apart. Now they have better utilities than ever, and they're pumping more oil than they did under Saddam. Not even the New York Times is peddling the canard of a broken infrastructure anymore, and the Times writers lie every chance they get.
Seems like someone is willing to believe the bad press about Iraq--bad press that's three years out of date. You might want to check the dates on the Kos pieces your reading.
Fucking retard.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 31, 2006 09:33 PM (abVz3)
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I know he did the most awful things just about anyone who has ever lived, has ever done. But, just as for all his people and for all his victum,
I PRAY FOR HIS SOUL.
I PRAY FOR HIS SOUL.
Posted by: ANNA at December 31, 2006 09:41 PM (Ok807)
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Snivel Behaviour:
"Omaha must be a pretty scary place."
Only if you think people who love their country are scary. There are moonbats here too, but Omaha doesn't get the transplants that other big cities do. Moonbat retards like you flock to big coastal cities, virtually all of which used to be conservative and patriotic, but are now majority blue.
You won't see any candlelight vigils for the Butcher of Baghdad here, although the university of Omaha NE is infested with left-wing cockroaches, of course.
Not having to deal with throngs of assholes like you is the only thing that makes living here bearable. I'll miss the sane people here when I move back to the Pacific coast.
"Omaha must be a pretty scary place."
Only if you think people who love their country are scary. There are moonbats here too, but Omaha doesn't get the transplants that other big cities do. Moonbat retards like you flock to big coastal cities, virtually all of which used to be conservative and patriotic, but are now majority blue.
You won't see any candlelight vigils for the Butcher of Baghdad here, although the university of Omaha NE is infested with left-wing cockroaches, of course.
Not having to deal with throngs of assholes like you is the only thing that makes living here bearable. I'll miss the sane people here when I move back to the Pacific coast.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 31, 2006 09:43 PM (abVz3)
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i think he was set up. iraq is way worse without him. it should have been gwb instead
Posted by: sara at December 31, 2006 09:59 PM (CWHDo)
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i think he was set up. iraq is way worse without him. it should have been gwb instead
Posted by: sara at December 31, 2006 09:59 PM (CWHDo)
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I went looking to see what all the hub bub was about on Saddam's excution. The video didn't show much more than the media did. I don't know why I was surprised to find so much hate for the man while reading the different blogs. Yes, he got what he deserved, but did you ever stop to think that there are people here in the United States that are just as bad, yet we seem to over look them? Weather you know it or not, you probably know someone just as appalling. Unfortunatly the world is full of cruel people. Saddam was just one that had the resourses to be able to do so much evil. There will always be men like him in this world. Just like there always have been. Think of Hitler. Think of the child molestors and the murders in your own country. What I am trying to say is, don't give Saddam the power in death that he had in life by giving him all the attention he doesn't deserve. He was an awful man that did terrible things. He was found guilty of his crimes. Let him rest, for if he is in hell, and i believe he is, Satan will not give him any rest nor peace. Don't give him the power he had in life by keeping his memory alive. If keeping his memory alive is a way for society to learn from the mistakes we have made, then society needs to wake up and learn, because what I have seen so far, society has not figured things out yet. I realize some, if not all, of what I have said here may irritate some and I am sorry if i have offended you. But this is a free world and I have voiced my opinions as you have yours.
Posted by: Vicki at December 31, 2006 10:15 PM (d52NK)
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Like a dead Saddam Hussein be ALL the enemies of the United States of America...!!!
Posted by: David USA at December 31, 2006 11:34 PM (S19x6)
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Jeff Bargholz,
You really should have read my post before commenting on it. Had you done so you might even have achieved a correct spelling of my name. To alleviate your apparent difficulties I will enumerate:
1. I am happy to see Saddam executed
2. I am unhappy at the way the strength of Iran has been enhanced by what we have done in Iraq
3. My comment about the Chinese was not racist - it was directed to the fact that they will in the 21st Century be the major competitor of USA in the purchase of Arab oil. Once the undemocratic puppet regimes in Saudi Arabi and Kuwait have collapsed (as inevitably they must) we shall suffer a dreadful economic backlash. I doubt you have any inkling of the intensity of the hatred felt by the average street Arab for USA and UK these days.
You really should have read my post before commenting on it. Had you done so you might even have achieved a correct spelling of my name. To alleviate your apparent difficulties I will enumerate:
1. I am happy to see Saddam executed
2. I am unhappy at the way the strength of Iran has been enhanced by what we have done in Iraq
3. My comment about the Chinese was not racist - it was directed to the fact that they will in the 21st Century be the major competitor of USA in the purchase of Arab oil. Once the undemocratic puppet regimes in Saudi Arabi and Kuwait have collapsed (as inevitably they must) we shall suffer a dreadful economic backlash. I doubt you have any inkling of the intensity of the hatred felt by the average street Arab for USA and UK these days.
Posted by: Melissa Back at December 31, 2006 11:42 PM (u0/hV)
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SARA..."i think he was set up. iraq is way worse without him. it should have been gwb instead"
You don't even have the courage to write the President's name... Sara, by the way, are you French or European as to have so much hatred against the President of the United States of America? Oh yes I forgot, you could also be a muslim... or simply another liberal who doesn't appreciate the best country under God's green earth.
You don't even have the courage to write the President's name... Sara, by the way, are you French or European as to have so much hatred against the President of the United States of America? Oh yes I forgot, you could also be a muslim... or simply another liberal who doesn't appreciate the best country under God's green earth.
Posted by: David USA at December 31, 2006 11:42 PM (S19x6)
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"but did you ever stop to think that there are people here in the United States that are just as bad"
NAME ONE!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1136582/posts
Yea - I know plenty of people who are mass murderers you stupid Cunt!
NAME ONE!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1136582/posts
Yea - I know plenty of people who are mass murderers you stupid Cunt!
Posted by: Max Power at December 31, 2006 11:44 PM (PM8kH)
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Sorry Vicki..I don't know someone who killed 1 million people..remember that capital punishment and war serves more than justice ...it also acts as a deterent to other potential Saddams and Osamas...think how it would be if we always turned the other cheek...Libya got the message...now lets let nassar and bolbol watch again
Posted by: RW&B at December 31, 2006 11:47 PM (W9sGA)
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RW&B,
I never said that his punishment doesnt fit his crime. I never said that he should not have been found guilty. And i repeat, you may know a child molester or a murder and not realize it. I never said that you knew someone who had kill as many people as Saddam had, but that you may know someone just as appalling.
I never said that his punishment doesnt fit his crime. I never said that he should not have been found guilty. And i repeat, you may know a child molester or a murder and not realize it. I never said that you knew someone who had kill as many people as Saddam had, but that you may know someone just as appalling.
Posted by: Vicki at January 01, 2007 12:17 AM (d52NK)
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El Mono:
Stop eating the worms out of the peyote buttons, Don juan. you're about one magic serpent away from the nut-house.
Stop eating the worms out of the peyote buttons, Don juan. you're about one magic serpent away from the nut-house.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 01, 2007 12:31 AM (abVz3)
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Jeff,
You all are still missing everything I am saying. It is sad you are only seeing only what you wish to see. I will repeat again, I do not disagree with the verdict nor do i disagree with the decision the court handed down of execution. If you think I am so blind and "smug" to think other wise, then I feel sorry for you and others like you that do not read entirely what is written. And if you do not think that a child molester is not as bad, then you need to think again. The molested child has to live with that nightmare every day for the rest of his life. I know. If you think that a child molester is hypothetical, or that all of them are locked up behind bars then you are living a fantacy life. Just ask a child who this has happened to and they will tell you what a nightmare it is.
You all are still missing everything I am saying. It is sad you are only seeing only what you wish to see. I will repeat again, I do not disagree with the verdict nor do i disagree with the decision the court handed down of execution. If you think I am so blind and "smug" to think other wise, then I feel sorry for you and others like you that do not read entirely what is written. And if you do not think that a child molester is not as bad, then you need to think again. The molested child has to live with that nightmare every day for the rest of his life. I know. If you think that a child molester is hypothetical, or that all of them are locked up behind bars then you are living a fantacy life. Just ask a child who this has happened to and they will tell you what a nightmare it is.
Posted by: Vicki at January 01, 2007 12:41 AM (d52NK)
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Jeff,
You all are still missing everything I am saying. It is sad you are only seeing only what you wish to see. I will repeat again, I do not disagree with the verdict nor do i disagree with the decision the court handed down of execution. If you think I am so blind and "smug" to think other wise, then I feel sorry for you and others like you that do not read entirely what is written. And if you do not think that a child molester is not as bad, then you need to think again. The molested child has to live with that nightmare every day for the rest of his life. I know. If you think that a child molester is hypothetical, or that all of them are locked up behind bars then you are living a fantacy life. Just ask a child who this has happened to and they will tell you what a nightmare it is.
You all are still missing everything I am saying. It is sad you are only seeing only what you wish to see. I will repeat again, I do not disagree with the verdict nor do i disagree with the decision the court handed down of execution. If you think I am so blind and "smug" to think other wise, then I feel sorry for you and others like you that do not read entirely what is written. And if you do not think that a child molester is not as bad, then you need to think again. The molested child has to live with that nightmare every day for the rest of his life. I know. If you think that a child molester is hypothetical, or that all of them are locked up behind bars then you are living a fantacy life. Just ask a child who this has happened to and they will tell you what a nightmare it is.
Posted by: Vicki at January 01, 2007 12:41 AM (d52NK)
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Sara:
Iraq is way worse for whom? The rapists, mass muderers and kleptocrats? Word has it GWB is already hung.
Quite frankly, anyone anything that thinks President Bush should be swinging instead of the butcher isn't quite human. It makes my skin crawl reading comments like yours. You don't deserve to live in this country. Hell, a sick twat like you doesn't deserve to live at all.
Iraq is way worse for whom? The rapists, mass muderers and kleptocrats? Word has it GWB is already hung.
Quite frankly, anyone anything that thinks President Bush should be swinging instead of the butcher isn't quite human. It makes my skin crawl reading comments like yours. You don't deserve to live in this country. Hell, a sick twat like you doesn't deserve to live at all.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 01, 2007 12:42 AM (abVz3)
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Fucking Arab Islamic pigs. And Jews. And those idioted Christian homos wrote in praise of this action. Barbaric cocksuckers, all of you: Saddam, and those fucking turbin-wearing camel fuckers screaming "allah" and "Muhammad" as the asshole dies. Fuck you and fuck Muhammad. You are all sick pigs. This is justice? He should be sitting in a jail cell working for the families he hurt. Fuck all of you Arab pigs. This video made me realize how fucking sick and perverted you fucking Muslims are, made me realize why you are - and will always be - stuck in dirt, rolling in your own shit.
Posted by: White at January 01, 2007 12:44 AM (AA/Rk)
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Was Jeff Bargholz dropped on his head as a child? Does he know anything about history? Is he addicted to lying? Is the American Right Wing the E.Coli of politics?
Jeff, since you're so patriotic, when are you finishing your fourth tour of Iraq?
Jeff, since you're so patriotic, when are you finishing your fourth tour of Iraq?
Posted by: Are All Right Wingers Mental Incompetents? at January 01, 2007 12:47 AM (Hrq9k)
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Icky:
Comparing real crimes to hypothetical crimes is idiotic. There is no moral equivalency between a genocidal monster who had entire families tortured to death on a regular basis, and some deviant who enjoys slasher flicks.
Most of the child molesters and murderers in my country are behind bars. If you're a Eurabian, then I'm thinking of the murderers and child molesters in your Union, because most of them are walking free and claiming more victims--thanks to your "enlightened" justice systems. Of course, child molesting is legal in most EU countries. BRRRR!
So much for your smug superiority.
Saddam is dead and quite powerless. If we should forget him, should we forget Hitler and the Holocaust too? How about the 300 million murdered by Marxism? The 911 victims? Should we forget all this and risk it happening again?
Society is never going to figure things out. There are no perfect people and there will never be a perfect society.
Saddam got what he deserved.
Comparing real crimes to hypothetical crimes is idiotic. There is no moral equivalency between a genocidal monster who had entire families tortured to death on a regular basis, and some deviant who enjoys slasher flicks.
Most of the child molesters and murderers in my country are behind bars. If you're a Eurabian, then I'm thinking of the murderers and child molesters in your Union, because most of them are walking free and claiming more victims--thanks to your "enlightened" justice systems. Of course, child molesting is legal in most EU countries. BRRRR!
So much for your smug superiority.
Saddam is dead and quite powerless. If we should forget him, should we forget Hitler and the Holocaust too? How about the 300 million murdered by Marxism? The 911 victims? Should we forget all this and risk it happening again?
Society is never going to figure things out. There are no perfect people and there will never be a perfect society.
Saddam got what he deserved.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 01, 2007 12:55 AM (abVz3)
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Bargholz, pull your head out of your delusional asshole. The camel fuckers are a nuisance at best. They score a hit now and then - and that's it. China is a god damn big fucking threat, you moron. Your argument is based on a Western view of economic morality, one in which the Chinese only tangentially connect with. On a deeper structural level, the picture changes. Further, take a look at their military. Holy shit! I was in the military, and Mr. Genius I'll tell you this: we cannot beat those crazy chinks in a conventional battle, that's for sure. Bush and those right-wing boy-fuckers have completely misinterpreted the threat to our great country.
Posted by: White at January 01, 2007 01:11 AM (AA/Rk)
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Melissa barks:
I read your little anti-American hate screed, and I do believe I spelled your name the way I meant to. It sounds like you didn't read mine, because you didn't back up your statement about the U.S. being in bed with Saddam.
America exploited one bloody Middle Eastern tyrant against another bloody Middle Eastern tyrant in the Iran/Iraq War. Plenty of jihadis and thugs were killed.
The UN and the Eurotrash Union made money off the suffering of innocent Iraqis to the tune of billions of U.S. dollars with the oil for rape rooms scandal.
I think I can guess which occurrence you think was a crime. Can you guess which one I consider a crime?
Iran is weaker than ever. Amadjihad's political candidates just got their asses kicked in the last election, despite the fact that the elections were dirty. Dissidents openly call for regime change, and the police and military refuse the orders of the ayatollah to crack down on them. The country is surrounded on all sides by American combat veterans ready to take out the trash. Bush has two more years in office, and he's announced plans to increase troop strength in Iraq--which is on Iran's border, dontcha know.
Sorry to shake you out of your wet dream, but things aren't looking too good for your mullahs right now.
Your cryptic comment about China seemed to be a reference to the Dhimmies taking office tomorrow, but it doesn't matter. China is a joke. 90% of the population cant afford to buy shoes, and they're going to consume the world's oil? Dream on. China would collapse into regional warlordism if America stopped importing its worthless junk--which is bound to happen sooner or later. Those incompetent creeps cant even purify their drinking water, or supply utilities to their capitol city. Cockroaches have a better chance of challenging American supremacy.
Not only that, but America has the infrastructure in place necessary to consume domestic oil and switch to ethanol fuel in a crunch. China doesn't. It'll be back to rickshaws for the crouching tiger, hidden human rights.
I lived in the so called muslim world for years, and I have friends who live there still. I know how those weaklings feel. I don't think you have the slightest inkling how much the average American hates the islamopithecines--and we have the power to wipe them out. I know the average wog doesn't know how close his clan is to extinction.
Another big terrorist attack on American soil will send us after them--right over the bodies of any leftists who are stupid enough to get in the way.
This is a bad time to be a koranimal or a leftist. You people never learn, and it makes you overconfidant. Weakness and overconfidence is a bad combination.
I read your little anti-American hate screed, and I do believe I spelled your name the way I meant to. It sounds like you didn't read mine, because you didn't back up your statement about the U.S. being in bed with Saddam.
America exploited one bloody Middle Eastern tyrant against another bloody Middle Eastern tyrant in the Iran/Iraq War. Plenty of jihadis and thugs were killed.
The UN and the Eurotrash Union made money off the suffering of innocent Iraqis to the tune of billions of U.S. dollars with the oil for rape rooms scandal.
I think I can guess which occurrence you think was a crime. Can you guess which one I consider a crime?
Iran is weaker than ever. Amadjihad's political candidates just got their asses kicked in the last election, despite the fact that the elections were dirty. Dissidents openly call for regime change, and the police and military refuse the orders of the ayatollah to crack down on them. The country is surrounded on all sides by American combat veterans ready to take out the trash. Bush has two more years in office, and he's announced plans to increase troop strength in Iraq--which is on Iran's border, dontcha know.
Sorry to shake you out of your wet dream, but things aren't looking too good for your mullahs right now.
Your cryptic comment about China seemed to be a reference to the Dhimmies taking office tomorrow, but it doesn't matter. China is a joke. 90% of the population cant afford to buy shoes, and they're going to consume the world's oil? Dream on. China would collapse into regional warlordism if America stopped importing its worthless junk--which is bound to happen sooner or later. Those incompetent creeps cant even purify their drinking water, or supply utilities to their capitol city. Cockroaches have a better chance of challenging American supremacy.
Not only that, but America has the infrastructure in place necessary to consume domestic oil and switch to ethanol fuel in a crunch. China doesn't. It'll be back to rickshaws for the crouching tiger, hidden human rights.
I lived in the so called muslim world for years, and I have friends who live there still. I know how those weaklings feel. I don't think you have the slightest inkling how much the average American hates the islamopithecines--and we have the power to wipe them out. I know the average wog doesn't know how close his clan is to extinction.
Another big terrorist attack on American soil will send us after them--right over the bodies of any leftists who are stupid enough to get in the way.
This is a bad time to be a koranimal or a leftist. You people never learn, and it makes you overconfidant. Weakness and overconfidence is a bad combination.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 01, 2007 01:25 AM (abVz3)
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Who's that jeff dude? Woe! Borders sells history books. Cheap. Get one. No. Get two or three. Read them. Study them. Learn them. Then join the military and do your duty. God bless!
Posted by: cindy at January 01, 2007 01:31 AM (AA/Rk)
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Jeff Bargholz
I have carefully re-read all of your contributions to date and have revised my view.
You are not a bigot of below-average comprehension after all. You are in fact a troll of some accomplishment. But I don't waste time playing with trolls, so here I'll just cease responding to you!
I have carefully re-read all of your contributions to date and have revised my view.
You are not a bigot of below-average comprehension after all. You are in fact a troll of some accomplishment. But I don't waste time playing with trolls, so here I'll just cease responding to you!
Posted by: Melissa Back at January 01, 2007 01:33 AM (u0/hV)
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This is to all of the Europeans who may visit this site.
Many of you seem to have a deep seated contempt for the USA. You seem to believe that extremist muslims can somehow be appeased, and take a "bury your head in the sand" attitude toward their hateful rhetoric and actions. You somehow fail to realize that if the USA should fall or fail to take the lead in combating this scourge on civilization, that you would be next in their sights for conversion. Just as you would all be under Nazi or communist rule right now if the USA hadn't come forward and sacraficed our brave young men and women in times past for freedom and democracy.
All I ask is that you put your ill found contempt aside for a moment and think about it.
PS
I would like to thank the many British people who have shown courage and forsight and have been doing their part to keep the free world free.
Many of you seem to have a deep seated contempt for the USA. You seem to believe that extremist muslims can somehow be appeased, and take a "bury your head in the sand" attitude toward their hateful rhetoric and actions. You somehow fail to realize that if the USA should fall or fail to take the lead in combating this scourge on civilization, that you would be next in their sights for conversion. Just as you would all be under Nazi or communist rule right now if the USA hadn't come forward and sacraficed our brave young men and women in times past for freedom and democracy.
All I ask is that you put your ill found contempt aside for a moment and think about it.
PS
I would like to thank the many British people who have shown courage and forsight and have been doing their part to keep the free world free.
Posted by: Scott at January 01, 2007 01:33 AM (aX4Ik)
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That execution video was barbaric. I didn't think it would be real, so I watched it. And my oh my, it was real. And those good Christians and Jews getting erections watching it are probably not that much different than the people I heard in the background of the video. Peace be with me (no point on including you).
Posted by: Brock at January 01, 2007 01:36 AM (AA/Rk)
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Scott, you daring fool, I'm an American and I resent you attempting to speak for me. Look retard, Europeans don't like Muslims and don't think they can be appeased. I mean, shit dude, stop wasting your time watching Fox news. Most Europeans just don't think it's worth it to waste time, money, and lives on a bunch of idiots who don't even have the collective brain power to pump their own oil. What we did in Iraq has been a gift from asshole "Allah" to that sociopathic shit-eater Bin Laden. Things are not as black and white as you obviously think they are. Stop masturbating to Bill O'Reilly and get it right - so to speak.
Posted by: Pink Flower at January 01, 2007 01:49 AM (AA/Rk)
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Gassed his own people.
Accepted assistance from New World Order Folks.
Murdered own citizens for benefit of his own perpetuation of power.
Taught children citizens bigotry.
So, it may have been too soon - that we might never know whole story and details/ objectivity withheld/filtered by world media.
Regardless, scum culled from human race is ultimately - JUSTICE?
WHEW.
Accepted assistance from New World Order Folks.
Murdered own citizens for benefit of his own perpetuation of power.
Taught children citizens bigotry.
So, it may have been too soon - that we might never know whole story and details/ objectivity withheld/filtered by world media.
Regardless, scum culled from human race is ultimately - JUSTICE?
WHEW.
Posted by: Dave at January 01, 2007 01:59 AM (tVnP0)
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Jeff Bargholz for president!!!!
Posted by: Maurice Knight at January 01, 2007 02:33 AM (me8OE)
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This family runion was 5 years in the making but it was well worth it. Fuck Saddam! Roast.
Posted by: usmcshooter at January 01, 2007 04:43 AM (fqLSZ)
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In the end it put a smile on my face. There is some inrony in the fact that he was finaly destroyed in a dingy little shithole. It made my new years. Hooorah!!!! Semper Fi and keep kickin' ass!
Posted by: usmcshooter at January 01, 2007 05:04 AM (fqLSZ)
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Kill all them sand niggers
Posted by: Thunderfoot at January 01, 2007 05:17 AM (2HUrk)
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You first, Thunderasshole!
Posted by: White at January 01, 2007 05:38 AM (AA/Rk)
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kill all them snow niggers,fuckin honkies,and white trash people
black r burned
white r raw
brown r cooked and gold colo
black r burned
white r raw
brown r cooked and gold colo
Posted by: timmy at January 01, 2007 05:41 AM (TIgYv)
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You people all sick and its gonna catch you later. Please became more educated and learn to love not to hate. You only brave in words not in real life.Bunch of stupid brainless human just a look like!
Posted by: mercyforlifetime at January 01, 2007 06:03 AM (0C/22)
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Jeff
You are correct, I am not from the US of A.
I was born and raised in Ireland so was therefore brought up with sectarian violence and murder on my doorstep.
I feel pretty confident that I know much more on the subject than you do.
I was also brought up listening to the poison rhetoric spouted forth by BOTH sides against the other.
You talk about hate filled Muslims infecting the world etc but seem to fail to realise that you are putting here in print the same sort of hate filled propoganda that they are putting forth about the west.
The experience in my own country has shown that it is only when this stops that any sort of real progress be made.
Until it does people in all areas of the conflict will continue to be murdered.
I am not, for the record, any sort of limp wristed liberal. I just think that views such as yours make no contribution to ending the cycle of violence, they just perpetuate it.
You are correct, I am not from the US of A.
I was born and raised in Ireland so was therefore brought up with sectarian violence and murder on my doorstep.
I feel pretty confident that I know much more on the subject than you do.
I was also brought up listening to the poison rhetoric spouted forth by BOTH sides against the other.
You talk about hate filled Muslims infecting the world etc but seem to fail to realise that you are putting here in print the same sort of hate filled propoganda that they are putting forth about the west.
The experience in my own country has shown that it is only when this stops that any sort of real progress be made.
Until it does people in all areas of the conflict will continue to be murdered.
I am not, for the record, any sort of limp wristed liberal. I just think that views such as yours make no contribution to ending the cycle of violence, they just perpetuate it.
Posted by: Andrew at January 01, 2007 06:54 AM (YDcMR)
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Pink Flower has just demonstrated in a far better manner than I could ever do, the problems that we Americans face from withn our own borders. When someone disagrees with the short sighted liberals in this country, their first reaction is name calling and personal insult. That approach speaks volumes as to their purported tolerance and compassion. Thanks PF
Scott
Scott
Posted by: Scott at January 01, 2007 07:18 AM (aX4Ik)
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Pink Flower has just demonstrated in a far better manner than I could ever do, the problems that we Americans face from withn our own borders. When someone disagrees with the short sighted liberals in this country, their first reaction is name calling and personal insult. That approach speaks volumes as to their purported tolerance and compassion. Thanks PF
Scott
Scott
Posted by: Scott at January 01, 2007 07:18 AM (aX4Ik)
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Oh well, they'll probably elect Jeff what-ever-his-name-is in 15 years. I'm not sure we meant for you lot to breed when we let you leave us in 1776.
Posted by: Big Al at January 01, 2007 07:51 AM (FLz26)
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Andrew, good points! And nice to to hear a view from Ireland! And you are right to point out that there has been a lot of poisonous rhetoric here. Look at my posts - they are pretty darn nasty! Oh my, naughty me! And like you, I am definately not a limp-wristed liberal! I am a shameless liberal (no PC here! - except that I won't use the "N" word like Thunder-asshole did). And the poison that I unleashed above decends from the poison of the very reason why were are here. To have a gentlemenly conversation about that video at this time - in this context - is almost sick. So I posit this: it's ok that this forum has decended to utter vulgarity and insanity, because that's what's happening anyway. So I think that Jeffery Dahlmer Bargholz's manner of speaking, his insidious tone that calls to mind the charming grin of a castrated executioner who fucks donkeys in his spare time, is irrational. Hee hee hee! Now, either he's a fucking sociopath, or he has 10 cucumbers with ketchup (and salt) stuffed up his gapping asshole. Nasty language? Yes. Did somebody fucking die in that video? Yes? Was justice served? Fuck no. Rule of law? Fuck no. And even if I believed in the god damn death penalty (and I don't), the way in which that fucking thing was handled is nothing short a schizophrenic circus. And even if Saddam was a murderous and sinister bastard (he was), there's no reason to turn it into a freak show. For Christ's sake, it's like watching the reflection of an epileptic fit of a retard in Washington.
Nevertheless Andrew, you point is well taken and appreciated.
Nevertheless Andrew, you point is well taken and appreciated.
Posted by: White at January 01, 2007 08:04 AM (AA/Rk)
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Scott, the problems we face in this country do not come from short-sited liberals. Liberal thinking, Scott, is what separated the West from the Rest. Think about it. The Middle East is nothing to fear because those retards are getting so fucking conservative that they'll send themselves to the stone age before long. True it is that PC liberals can be spineless fish eggs full guilt, ashamed of the enlightenment and even their own assholes, but I am not. Conservatives, on the other hand, have no fucking idea what the word "conservative" even means. Dear God! Talk about brain drain! Republicans will soon lose the ability to shit in a toilet. Well, in a nutshell, conservative means this (to republicans): Praise everything the government does, make that government fucking huge (and talk about small government); praise every corporation with over 20,000 employees, interpret the bible as a war manual for a few low-functioning closet queers to cover up their problems.
Posted by: Pink Flower at January 01, 2007 08:20 AM (AA/Rk)
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Well said White. Bravo!
Posted by: Vicki at January 01, 2007 08:28 AM (d52NK)
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I want to thank everyone for the comical coments this morning. Good way to start the new year off. HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!!
Posted by: Vicki at January 01, 2007 08:44 AM (d52NK)
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i do not agree...and i dont care what a lot of you guys are saying. i think it is perthetic. no one deserves to die, and no human being can kill another human being, becuase thats what it was when it came to saddam hussain. yeah hes done a lot of bad things but surely killing him wasnt the right thing to do. i think its brutal what people put him through. i want bush and tony blair to face concequences now. remember we only see what the media shows us. were not there in reality to see the real significance. when it comes to religion, the country of palestine is important to us, in religious terms. you dont see us talkin about christianity or any other religons in a racist way. so dont u dare be racist against ours. some of your comments are just wrong. how about everyone understands our religon properly before makin assumptions and opinions.
Posted by: nazirah at January 01, 2007 08:46 AM (hTCwC)
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i do not agree...and i dont care what a lot of you guys are saying. i think it is perthetic. no one deserves to die, and no human being can kill another human being, becuase thats what it was when it came to saddam hussain. yeah hes done a lot of bad things but surely killing him wasnt the right thing to do. i think its brutal what people put him through. i want bush and tony blair to face concequences now. remember we only see what the media shows us. were not there in reality to see the real significance. when it comes to religion, the country of palestine is important to us, in religious terms. you dont see us talkin about christianity or any other religons in a racist way. so dont u dare be racist against ours. some of your comments are just wrong. how about everyone understands our religon properly before makin assumptions and opinions.
Posted by: nazirah at January 01, 2007 08:47 AM (hTCwC)
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i do not agree...and i dont care what a lot of you guys are saying. i think it is perthetic. no one deserves to die, and no human being can kill another human being, becuase thats what it was when it came to saddam hussain. yeah hes done a lot of bad things but surely killing him wasnt the right thing to do. i think its brutal what people put him through. i want bush and tony blair to face concequences now. remember we only see what the media shows us. were not there in reality to see the real significance. when it comes to religion, the country of palestine is important to us, in religious terms. you dont see us talkin about christianity or any other religons in a racist way. so dont u dare be racist against ours. some of your comments are just wrong. how about everyone understands our religon properly before makin assumptions and opinions.
Posted by: nazirah at January 01, 2007 08:48 AM (hTCwC)
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Specialy "Jesusland" Carlos. Sounds like one spanic maybe born or
migrated to the US, whose brain and soul has been sold and has lost his
identity.
LOL. What "identity" is that. I quote JFK, and I demand the MSM report honestly. I guess you can just call me "vendido" because my identity is based on ideas and values, not tribe and ethnicity, you primitive moron. Go back the jungles of chiapas from whence you came.
migrated to the US, whose brain and soul has been sold and has lost his
identity.
LOL. What "identity" is that. I quote JFK, and I demand the MSM report honestly. I guess you can just call me "vendido" because my identity is based on ideas and values, not tribe and ethnicity, you primitive moron. Go back the jungles of chiapas from whence you came.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 01, 2007 08:51 AM (8e/V4)
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White
Thanks for your comments.
I do not make the mistake of thinking that some of the extreme views posted on this site represent in any way the overall view of all americans.
I equally dont make the mistake of thinking that the extreme views of muslim fundamentallists represent the overall view of all muslims.
Thanks for your comments.
I do not make the mistake of thinking that some of the extreme views posted on this site represent in any way the overall view of all americans.
I equally dont make the mistake of thinking that the extreme views of muslim fundamentallists represent the overall view of all muslims.
Posted by: Andrew at January 01, 2007 08:56 AM (YDcMR)
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I am more disgusted at the barbarism and the cruelty of the insensitive
people writing these comments that make them worse than Saddam himself.
So people writing comments on a blog are worse than Saddam. ROFLMAO! Behold this shining example of Leftwing idiocy and moral confusion! Liberalism is truly a mental disorder.
people writing these comments that make them worse than Saddam himself.
So people writing comments on a blog are worse than Saddam. ROFLMAO! Behold this shining example of Leftwing idiocy and moral confusion! Liberalism is truly a mental disorder.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 01, 2007 09:02 AM (8e/V4)
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Oh well, they'll probably elect Jeff what-ever-his-name-is in 15 years.
I'm not sure we meant for you lot to breed when we let you leave us in
1776.
I don't believe you "let" us leave in 1776. If memory serves me right, you SURRENDERED in 1891 at Saratoga and hightailed it back to Europe with tails planted firmly between legs.
I'm not sure we meant for you lot to breed when we let you leave us in
1776.
I don't believe you "let" us leave in 1776. If memory serves me right, you SURRENDERED in 1891 at Saratoga and hightailed it back to Europe with tails planted firmly between legs.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 01, 2007 09:09 AM (8e/V4)
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Please became more educated and learn to love not to hate. You only
brave in words not in real life.Bunch of stupid brainless human just a
look like!
I get it. Liberals think it's wrong to hate mass murdering thugs like Saddam, but it's just fine for the same Liberals to hate conservatives, Republicans, Bush, christians, Americans, etc. I guess that makes perfect sense in the mentally disordered mind of your average Liberal!
brave in words not in real life.Bunch of stupid brainless human just a
look like!
I get it. Liberals think it's wrong to hate mass murdering thugs like Saddam, but it's just fine for the same Liberals to hate conservatives, Republicans, Bush, christians, Americans, etc. I guess that makes perfect sense in the mentally disordered mind of your average Liberal!
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 01, 2007 09:26 AM (8e/V4)
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Andrew
I pretty much agree with you on one level. But on another level, I don't know. For example, the Americans on this board are in fact representing American sentiment accurately, I think. We are pretty darn divided, that's for sure. Maybe it's changing as Bush tanks more and more.Were a bit black and white at times.
And your other point: That Muslim fundamentalists do not represent the majority view. In an era of mass media, unfortunately they do. That's why it's so important for them to get another beautiful character like Rumi (Sufi) - Fast!
And that argument is similar to the one that went like this: Stalinism is not really communism. Or, most communists were good people (true), but it created a few problems, to put it mildly.
Andrew
I pretty much agree with you on one level. But on another level, I don't know. For example, the Americans on this board are in fact representing American sentiment accurately, I think. We are pretty darn divided, that's for sure. Maybe it's changing as Bush tanks more and more.Were a bit black and white at times.
And your other point: That Muslim fundamentalists do not represent the majority view. In an era of mass media, unfortunately they do. That's why it's so important for them to get another beautiful character like Rumi (Sufi) - Fast!
And that argument is similar to the one that went like this: Stalinism is not really communism. Or, most communists were good people (true), but it created a few problems, to put it mildly.
Posted by: White at January 01, 2007 09:45 AM (AA/Rk)
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a lot of people on this site are recist, and just stupid. a lot of people here fink that they kno everything but u dont, the only source of informtaion you have got is the bloody media and nothing else. so stop acting like you know it all. i cant wait for bush and blair to drop dead, and den well see what happens, all the bad reports and conspiracies will come out, there worser then saddam hussain. have you noticed when theres a problem in the world, with other countries bush comes flyin like a prick and trys saving the day. stop acting like the states is the goldern frickin land were nothing bad happenz. and another thing stop dis respecting out religion. who are you lots to say islam is this and that. you have no clue what our religion is about. unless youve studied the qur'an (and other holy bookz such as the hadith) and gone to the holy land and actually saw half the things, as a muslim, i have seen. you cant say nothing.
Posted by: nazirah at January 01, 2007 09:46 AM (hTCwC)
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"white" your the biggest prick on this sitee haha.... sowwie to say....fuck you....fuck you all who disses my religion, islam is the best religion, youll all realise later, when its too late. and white you make me sick with wut shit ur soming out with. you bloody fool.
cum bite me....u sad ass looser byeee...
cum bite me....u sad ass looser byeee...
Posted by: nazirah at January 01, 2007 09:55 AM (hTCwC)
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No Davec, caring about criminals more than victims is not progressive. And we do put too much emphasis on jails. I mean, it's crazy. And the death penalty is insane (at least most of Europe has abolished that). But outside the West, it's way worse. I've seen it. The problem is this: PC Liberals won't admit that because they are too fucking guilty to even look at themselves in the mirror, and Republicans don't see it because they don't know what a fucking mirror is, and they don't much care anyway because they want to bring us more in line with most of the world: Conservative, male-dominated, religious, biblical jail terms, obedient citizens, no social services, no public services, tooth fairy creators of giant objects, whatsoever..
I didn't see that until I traveled outside the West. I sort of bought the PC liberal view. And then I traveled for a long time and thought, holy shit, this world is more fucked up than I thought! There are too many examples to list. Here's one among a million: If you are a female, like me, try walking down the street of any Muslim country by yourself. You'll get fucking groped. And then you go back to America and tell someone, they'll make excuses for those fucking pigs. And if you push the point, they'll call you a god damn racist to halt the conversation. Some spineless wanker will say, "Well, I know someone once who wasn't groped in Cairo, she walked for 3.2 minutes down the street one time, and I know someone who got groped in Italy, America, and blah blah blah" Fine. I am talking about tendancies, and I have seen it and, unfortunately, felt it. And examples go on...
No Davec, caring about criminals more than victims is not progressive. And we do put too much emphasis on jails. I mean, it's crazy. And the death penalty is insane (at least most of Europe has abolished that). But outside the West, it's way worse. I've seen it. The problem is this: PC Liberals won't admit that because they are too fucking guilty to even look at themselves in the mirror, and Republicans don't see it because they don't know what a fucking mirror is, and they don't much care anyway because they want to bring us more in line with most of the world: Conservative, male-dominated, religious, biblical jail terms, obedient citizens, no social services, no public services, tooth fairy creators of giant objects, whatsoever..
I didn't see that until I traveled outside the West. I sort of bought the PC liberal view. And then I traveled for a long time and thought, holy shit, this world is more fucked up than I thought! There are too many examples to list. Here's one among a million: If you are a female, like me, try walking down the street of any Muslim country by yourself. You'll get fucking groped. And then you go back to America and tell someone, they'll make excuses for those fucking pigs. And if you push the point, they'll call you a god damn racist to halt the conversation. Some spineless wanker will say, "Well, I know someone once who wasn't groped in Cairo, she walked for 3.2 minutes down the street one time, and I know someone who got groped in Italy, America, and blah blah blah" Fine. I am talking about tendancies, and I have seen it and, unfortunately, felt it. And examples go on...
Posted by: Pink Flower at January 01, 2007 10:13 AM (AA/Rk)
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Nobody weeps over Saddam, except his relatives a few Sunnis. But many people, like me, think the death penalty is fucking crazy. And even you like the death penalty, the way that was handled was aweful. And I don't want to hear about the bible, because I am fully aware that it says kill fags and kill fucking anything really. Check out Leviticus 20. Holy crap. But rule of secular law should be the higher order.
Nobody weeps over Saddam, except his relatives a few Sunnis. But many people, like me, think the death penalty is fucking crazy. And even you like the death penalty, the way that was handled was aweful. And I don't want to hear about the bible, because I am fully aware that it says kill fags and kill fucking anything really. Check out Leviticus 20. Holy crap. But rule of secular law should be the higher order.
Posted by: White at January 01, 2007 10:18 AM (AA/Rk)
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The West: societies that care more about the criminal than there victims, and you think that is progressive?
Posted by: davec at January 01, 2007 10:20 AM (yaQM4)
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suck all u white mutha fuka's burn in hell!!! THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH AND MUHAMMED IS HIS MESSENGER!!!! Muslims for life!!! all u christians can come here and have a suk on ma balls
Posted by: USA SUCKS!! at January 01, 2007 10:20 AM (hRELA)
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bismillah hir rahmanir raheem,
kalimah thoybah la illaha ilalal lahu muhammadur rasululah...
if youve read dis....you have officially become a muslim...pat urself on the back lol =P
kalimah thoybah la illaha ilalal lahu muhammadur rasululah...
if youve read dis....you have officially become a muslim...pat urself on the back lol =P
Posted by: nazirah at January 01, 2007 10:21 AM (hTCwC)
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Thanks Nazirah. Yep, I don't fuck around. And I admit, I am not fond of Islam, that's for sure. Conservative wackos who want to send us to the stone age. And maybe you are right: I'll discover it later. I'll be waiting for 72 fat sluts in heaven. Fine. But secular folks like me are tired of religious assholes blowing themselves up - and that includes Christians and Jews. If that's what God is about, and fucking apparently is, then I shit on it all. By the way, the Tooth Fairy created the moon, but Bugs Bunny created the sun and Santa Claus created half of Jupiter, and the other have was created by a fat whore from New York.
Posted by: White at January 01, 2007 10:27 AM (AA/Rk)
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Hello US Sucks, go fuck Mohammed in the ass.
Posted by: Mohammed at January 01, 2007 10:29 AM (AA/Rk)
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White
Good points well made.
The point I was trying to get across is that you cannot hate an entire race or religion because of the extremists within those groups.
Take the communist example you mentioned.
There are now a very large number of immigrant people living in Ireland that originated
in former eastern bloc countries.
They have so far shown themseleves to be a very warm and exceptionally hard working people and are making a significant contribution to the economy of the country.
Just a few years ago we would have been condemning them all as a threat to world peace.
The same thing is happening here, people of the muslim religion just happen to be percieved as the next great threat for the world to deal with.
But the point is that it is only a small minority of those people that are the threat.
The same points could be made from the other side of the fence.
Muslim fundamentalists are as you say using various forms of media to spread their beliefs around the world. They are using the same methods (just a more modern version) used by Hitler or Stalin to influence their people.
Terrorists use the same methods to recruit gullible people to their cause as for example white power groups (in any country) use to recruit impressionable people to their cause.
On the point of use of the media, it has always astonished me how gleefully american press conferences during the war (both of them)showed video taken from warplanes, copters etc of Iraqi soliders being killed in air strikes.
Yes they were the enemy but how is that different to the spectacle that we all logged on here to watch?
The real difficulties people around the world have with american foreign policy only began with the election of George W Bush. He has done as much damage to the worlds perception of your country as the fundamentalists are doing to the perception of the muslim religion.
Good points well made.
The point I was trying to get across is that you cannot hate an entire race or religion because of the extremists within those groups.
Take the communist example you mentioned.
There are now a very large number of immigrant people living in Ireland that originated
in former eastern bloc countries.
They have so far shown themseleves to be a very warm and exceptionally hard working people and are making a significant contribution to the economy of the country.
Just a few years ago we would have been condemning them all as a threat to world peace.
The same thing is happening here, people of the muslim religion just happen to be percieved as the next great threat for the world to deal with.
But the point is that it is only a small minority of those people that are the threat.
The same points could be made from the other side of the fence.
Muslim fundamentalists are as you say using various forms of media to spread their beliefs around the world. They are using the same methods (just a more modern version) used by Hitler or Stalin to influence their people.
Terrorists use the same methods to recruit gullible people to their cause as for example white power groups (in any country) use to recruit impressionable people to their cause.
On the point of use of the media, it has always astonished me how gleefully american press conferences during the war (both of them)showed video taken from warplanes, copters etc of Iraqi soliders being killed in air strikes.
Yes they were the enemy but how is that different to the spectacle that we all logged on here to watch?
The real difficulties people around the world have with american foreign policy only began with the election of George W Bush. He has done as much damage to the worlds perception of your country as the fundamentalists are doing to the perception of the muslim religion.
Posted by: Andrew at January 01, 2007 10:31 AM (YDcMR)
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I do not make the mistake of thinking that some of the extreme views
posted on this site represent in any way the overall view of all
americans.
Andrew,
I agree with 100% if by "extreme" you mean the Leftards on this thread weeping over Saddam's corpse as if it were the body of Mother Teresa herself. I can assure you they do not represent mainstream American thought-- thank God.
posted on this site represent in any way the overall view of all
americans.
Andrew,
I agree with 100% if by "extreme" you mean the Leftards on this thread weeping over Saddam's corpse as if it were the body of Mother Teresa herself. I can assure you they do not represent mainstream American thought-- thank God.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 01, 2007 11:11 AM (8e/V4)
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 01, 2007 11:12 AM (8e/V4)
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RIP Saddam.
Only the white skinned English speaking leaders of the so called "civilised nations" get away with their share of crimes against Iraqi people.
Only the white skinned English speaking leaders of the so called "civilised nations" get away with their share of crimes against Iraqi people.
Posted by: Lord Lagaan at January 01, 2007 11:18 AM (DQ+Bw)
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Where were the leaders of the Western world when Saddam was carrying out these massacres? Where were their voices back then?
Smacks of double standards and hypocrisy. The dictator becomes the president when he's our buddy but the moment he crosses our path, then we lable him the evil dictator.
Bring that idiot monkey boy president to an Iraqi court and let's see how the Iraqis judge him !!!! Come Bush monkey, be brave after all you "liberated" the nation.
Smacks of double standards and hypocrisy. The dictator becomes the president when he's our buddy but the moment he crosses our path, then we lable him the evil dictator.
Bring that idiot monkey boy president to an Iraqi court and let's see how the Iraqis judge him !!!! Come Bush monkey, be brave after all you "liberated" the nation.
Posted by: Laura's Bush at January 01, 2007 11:27 AM (DQ+Bw)
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US has killed more than Al Qaida. Also, every successive American government was involved in acts of terror/torture/killings right across the world. Any chance of justice? Answer: NO. Might is right and the bully always has his say !!!!!
Posted by: Saddammed at January 01, 2007 11:52 AM (DQ+Bw)
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I have read allot of comments here and I must admit I was no supporter of Saddam. To prove it I will also admit that I am a Shia Muslim (one of the many groups that were oppressed by Saddam). But people from reading these comments It appears that many of you have clear biases and have either an Israeli bias or that of a Muslim Bias or even a misinformed western patriotic one. I have even noticed the subtleties of one which may hold a Jewish opinion that hides behind the dressings of patriotic western country be it the US or British. This hideous act should clearly not have happened in this current era. We are supposed to be civilised society he could have got a life sentence. I did not see Slobadam Molosevich or Pinneche get a similar end. And to film it afterwards and air it in the media is clearly disgusting. Guys have you forgotten the Geneva convention that does not allow you to show pictures of dead American soldiers or any other soldiers for that matter) yet here you are showing a deposed President as if it were a circus where is the Geneva convention now?...their are worst dictators who have committed genocide in Africa yet no-one seems to care. The Americans did not give Saddam up until he reached the gallows their is a reason my fellow citizens, they did not try Saddam over the Halabja atrocities against the Kurds in Iraq which were in their thousands as opposed to the couple of hundred Shia that he was tried for...why? may you ask...well that would have clearly implicated Germany, France the UK and USA over who provided the gas in the first place and clearly they did not want Saddam to reveal that... and those secrets have died with the man himself. So guys take it from a guy who is not a Saddam sympathiser..for someone who knows more closely what the situation is, someone who has also studied politics at degree level, who has also lived a couple of years in the Middle East and is passionately a British Patriot...do not be bias nor blind to the bigger picture their always is one. He may have been a tyrant....but he did not at least in Modern Day era should have been killed this way as he was still the leader of a sovereign country and yet the West wishes to export it democracy to the world...The UK in my view still holds some concept of it but I am afraid in Modern day America has allot of blood on it's hands from it covert operations and hides behind an illusion of justice the US did not care about bringing peace to Iraq or the Middle East, it is simply about Oil and power. and for those of you that believe the stories that are pumped up and sceptical about what I say then I would request you to pls clear your mind if you can and ask yourself about what the bigger picture may be. It does not matter weather you are from the Jewish faith or a Muslim either Shia or Sunni neither Christian we all have the same message that was brought to us by Jesus , Abraham, Moses and the Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him to live a good life and that there is one God. Religion and Politics are separate, for us the common folk we have no idea that our countries all deal with each other yet we are led to believe that they dont. This mess will lead us to destroy all of ourselves yet we often forget the basis. For all our religions that are at war today which is the same message. The only religions that seem to be peaceful are the ones that are so far from these three. So of the comments I have read are barbaric, vile and blood thirsty and for a moment if you pause you seem be quoting the most hypocritical of all. Pls read some Political Philosophy and pause to think he did commit some really bad atrocities but he was a leader of nation and in the political arena he should not have been bought justice this way. Why does Tony Blair support the US every time even when he believes it is wrong..it is simply Politics the UK cannot afford to not support the US it is all a game of politics. It has been 3 years and yet the allied forces cannot control Iraq yet Saddam managed it..again remember this is Politics, those of you quoting him as evil and barbaric my friends why do you care...look to Africa and see what true Evil is happening and has happened their look to even eastern Europe yet why should you care it is just a land of poverty and no future bank roll nor black gold. What happened to saddam and how they filmed it weather you believe he was good or bad was simply Wrong!
Posted by: Kamran at January 01, 2007 12:40 PM (+zQga)
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US has killed more than Al Qaida.
numbnuts,
every country on the planet has killed more than AQ. Your point being?
numbnuts,
every country on the planet has killed more than AQ. Your point being?
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 01, 2007 01:17 PM (8e/V4)
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Smacks of double standards and hypocrisy.
Yes, it was a double standard, and regretable. A real stain on our name. Unfortunately realpolitik usually carries the day when it comes to geopolitics, and Iraq was seen as a bulwark against the greater threat Iran. Does that take away from my satisfaction that the butcher of Baghdad who massacred hundreds of thousands of innocent people got what he deserved? Hell no. I don't forsake the good in favor of unnatainable perfection.
Smacks of double standards and hypocrisy.
Yes, it was a double standard, and regretable. A real stain on our name. Unfortunately realpolitik usually carries the day when it comes to geopolitics, and Iraq was seen as a bulwark against the greater threat Iran. Does that take away from my satisfaction that the butcher of Baghdad who massacred hundreds of thousands of innocent people got what he deserved? Hell no. I don't forsake the good in favor of unnatainable perfection.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 01, 2007 01:33 PM (8e/V4)
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Kamran:
the allied forces cannot control Iraq yet Saddam managed it
Yes, let us reflect on how Saddam controlled Iraq -- the very same methods landed him in the gallows.
the allied forces cannot control Iraq yet Saddam managed it
Yes, let us reflect on how Saddam controlled Iraq -- the very same methods landed him in the gallows.
Posted by: davec at January 01, 2007 01:57 PM (yaQM4)
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"Yes, let us reflect on how Saddam controlled Iraq -- the very same methods landed him in the gallows."
good, point, and let us not forget how many people the US has killed in the last couple of years.
Last count (several months ago) was 655,000.
the phrase...
"Killing terrorists in Iraq"
doesnt make sense anymore.
our soldiers are in the middle of sectarian violence. They dont know who they are killing.
the rich people in Iraq are leaving by the droves, the poor, dont have the means too, and dont have jobs, so they get caught up in the Shia - Sunnahviolence.
This problem cant be handled by sending in MORE troops.
sendin in troops, created a preoblem, SOO>...
sending in MORE troops creates.
(fill in the Blanks)
M_R_E VIOL_NC_
anyone want to buy a VOWEL ?
They are probably the ONLY ones
that feel LIBERATED right now!
“You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror.â€
— George W. Bush, interview with CBS News’ Katie Couric, Sept. 6, 2006
---------
Bogus War On Terrorism
Update on the Representation of President Saddam Hussein
Dr. Curtis F.J. Doebbler
member of the Legal Team representing Saddam Hussein
please NO...
good, point, and let us not forget how many people the US has killed in the last couple of years.
Last count (several months ago) was 655,000.
the phrase...
"Killing terrorists in Iraq"
doesnt make sense anymore.
our soldiers are in the middle of sectarian violence. They dont know who they are killing.
the rich people in Iraq are leaving by the droves, the poor, dont have the means too, and dont have jobs, so they get caught up in the Shia - Sunnahviolence.
This problem cant be handled by sending in MORE troops.
sendin in troops, created a preoblem, SOO>...
sending in MORE troops creates.
(fill in the Blanks)
M_R_E VIOL_NC_
anyone want to buy a VOWEL ?
They are probably the ONLY ones
that feel LIBERATED right now!
“You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror.â€
— George W. Bush, interview with CBS News’ Katie Couric, Sept. 6, 2006
---------
Bogus War On Terrorism
Update on the Representation of President Saddam Hussein
Dr. Curtis F.J. Doebbler
member of the Legal Team representing Saddam Hussein
please NO...
Posted by: brad at January 01, 2007 03:51 PM (/dST9)
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Kamran: Fuck off goat hummper - YOU'RE NEXT!
Posted by: Max Power at January 01, 2007 03:52 PM (PM8kH)
Posted by: White at January 01, 2007 04:54 PM (AA/Rk)
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Max Power:
Mate I feel sorry for you if that's all your response could be "Goat Humper"? I am in an Oxford Graduate and have lived all my life in the UK bar the 2 years I spent in Dubai and an Investment Banker by profession so I think your gimpish Goat Humper comment doesn't stand much ground. The only thing that I can gather from you immature and useless comments is that you are in fact brain dead and that you simply cannot engage in a intellectual debate (woops..do you even know what that word means?) to me you sound like the Goat Humper and by the sounds of it you may be the next trailer trash the ends getting killed in Iraq...it's people like you why the world is in its confused state that it is...thick people..any how Imo sure you will respond with yet more pathetic degrading comments so pls do so but I will make sure that I will ignore the next one as you obviously are too stupid to post anything with any true meaning...you cant test me boy so dont bother...and pity yourself that you more than likely dont have a decent education!
Mate I feel sorry for you if that's all your response could be "Goat Humper"? I am in an Oxford Graduate and have lived all my life in the UK bar the 2 years I spent in Dubai and an Investment Banker by profession so I think your gimpish Goat Humper comment doesn't stand much ground. The only thing that I can gather from you immature and useless comments is that you are in fact brain dead and that you simply cannot engage in a intellectual debate (woops..do you even know what that word means?) to me you sound like the Goat Humper and by the sounds of it you may be the next trailer trash the ends getting killed in Iraq...it's people like you why the world is in its confused state that it is...thick people..any how Imo sure you will respond with yet more pathetic degrading comments so pls do so but I will make sure that I will ignore the next one as you obviously are too stupid to post anything with any true meaning...you cant test me boy so dont bother...and pity yourself that you more than likely dont have a decent education!
Posted by: Kamran at January 01, 2007 05:09 PM (+zQga)
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It hard to admit this, but truth be told: Iraq was better off under Saddam. We've killed more people in Bush's "war of WMD" than Saddam killed during his entire dictatorship. As an American, it's darn hard to come to terms with that. Sure, the religious cock-suckers like Sadr are happy now, but what the fuck? I meam Max Power must have used max power to shove his fucking fist up his huge asshole. Iraq is a fucking blood circus full of freaks. And because of Bush, we are part of it. And not even the greatest minds of our day have any fucking clue as to how to repair that. The reason? Look at history. The Sunni and Shia have been at odd for over a thousand years. Somebody should have told that to fucking retard Bush. Unpatriotic ass-pounders like Max are just like those those wankers who kept us in Vietnam. And it's no surprise that a bunch of unpatriotic chicken-hawk draft dodging boy-fuckers got us into this.
It hard to admit this, but truth be told: Iraq was better off under Saddam. We've killed more people in Bush's "war of WMD" than Saddam killed during his entire dictatorship. As an American, it's darn hard to come to terms with that. Sure, the religious cock-suckers like Sadr are happy now, but what the fuck? I meam Max Power must have used max power to shove his fucking fist up his huge asshole. Iraq is a fucking blood circus full of freaks. And because of Bush, we are part of it. And not even the greatest minds of our day have any fucking clue as to how to repair that. The reason? Look at history. The Sunni and Shia have been at odd for over a thousand years. Somebody should have told that to fucking retard Bush. Unpatriotic ass-pounders like Max are just like those those wankers who kept us in Vietnam. And it's no surprise that a bunch of unpatriotic chicken-hawk draft dodging boy-fuckers got us into this.
Posted by: White at January 01, 2007 05:13 PM (AA/Rk)
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im so happy 2 watch this ive been lookin for this video for 2 days and now ive just found it. i like watchin it coz i cn laugh in his face the fuckin wanker. he can neva have a wank no more the twat. not one english person likes him. hahahhahahahahhahahahaha he gone. hip hip huay.
luv u loads
antony
R.I.P SADDAM
luv u loads
antony
R.I.P SADDAM
Posted by: antony at January 01, 2007 05:35 PM (PG6OV)
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White:
Right on ...shows that you are at least in the know about the wider issues...you are spot on about the history comment...it is history that teaches us the root of problems we have today and it is history that can show us the way forward as most of the reasons people are even fighting today eg many people engaed in the muslim sectarian violence dont even know why the are fighting each other....and I can vouch for that as I have come across such people throughout the world...but Im afarid I will not go into that right now as thats another debate altogether and goes off the subject at hand here...But I respct your comments...it shows again that stereotyping has no place in the world today... an American who is a rightful patriot but knows right from wrong...Thank you for your comments!
Right on ...shows that you are at least in the know about the wider issues...you are spot on about the history comment...it is history that teaches us the root of problems we have today and it is history that can show us the way forward as most of the reasons people are even fighting today eg many people engaed in the muslim sectarian violence dont even know why the are fighting each other....and I can vouch for that as I have come across such people throughout the world...but Im afarid I will not go into that right now as thats another debate altogether and goes off the subject at hand here...But I respct your comments...it shows again that stereotyping has no place in the world today... an American who is a rightful patriot but knows right from wrong...Thank you for your comments!
Posted by: kamran at January 01, 2007 05:39 PM (+zQga)
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White:
Right on ...shows that you are at least in the know about the wider issues...you are spot on about the history comment...it is history that teaches us the root of problems we have today and it is history that can show us the way forward as most of the reasons people are even fighting today eg many people engaed in the muslim sectarian violence dont even know why the are fighting each other....and I can vouch for that as I have come across such people throughout the world...but Im afarid I will not go into that right now as thats another debate altogether and goes off the subject at hand here...But I respct your comments...it shows again that stereotyping has no place in the world today... an American who is a rightful patriot but knows right from wrong...Thank you for your comments!
Right on ...shows that you are at least in the know about the wider issues...you are spot on about the history comment...it is history that teaches us the root of problems we have today and it is history that can show us the way forward as most of the reasons people are even fighting today eg many people engaed in the muslim sectarian violence dont even know why the are fighting each other....and I can vouch for that as I have come across such people throughout the world...but Im afarid I will not go into that right now as thats another debate altogether and goes off the subject at hand here...But I respct your comments...it shows again that stereotyping has no place in the world today... an American who is a rightful patriot but knows right from wrong...Thank you for your comments!
Posted by: kamran at January 01, 2007 05:39 PM (+zQga)
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What goes around comes around !!!!!!
Posted by: PoodleBlair at January 01, 2007 05:52 PM (JMr9w)
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Brad,
If that Lancet number of 655,000 is anything like the margin of error they gave themselves for the 100,000 figure (95% confidence between 8,000 and 94,000) which left them with a small margin of error of 86,000 deaths, then I think that speaks to the credibility of the report as a whole.
If that Lancet number of 655,000 is anything like the margin of error they gave themselves for the 100,000 figure (95% confidence between 8,000 and 94,000) which left them with a small margin of error of 86,000 deaths, then I think that speaks to the credibility of the report as a whole.
Posted by: davec at January 01, 2007 05:57 PM (yaQM4)
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What we have in this conflict is a group of people who believe they have god on their side and are morally outraged at the awful scenes of violence and the death of thousands of innocents.
They are taking a stand against what they see as the senseless slaughter of civilians.
This group of people are reffered to by two names ......Extremeist Muslims and Ultra right wing Americans.
There is another group of people that wish to impose their will and their ideas of what is right or wrong on the rest of the world.
This group is also reffered to by two names .... Extremeist Muslims and Ultra right wing Americans.
They are taking a stand against what they see as the senseless slaughter of civilians.
This group of people are reffered to by two names ......Extremeist Muslims and Ultra right wing Americans.
There is another group of people that wish to impose their will and their ideas of what is right or wrong on the rest of the world.
This group is also reffered to by two names .... Extremeist Muslims and Ultra right wing Americans.
Posted by: Andrew at January 01, 2007 06:06 PM (YDcMR)
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White English speaking Christian leaders are immune from true justice.
Both Blair & Bush should be tried by an Iraqi court, and if found guilty, hang them both on Christmas day !!!!
Both Blair & Bush should be tried by an Iraqi court, and if found guilty, hang them both on Christmas day !!!!
Posted by: Bushbasher at January 01, 2007 06:07 PM (JMr9w)
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This is disgusting. Hanging should've been stopped 50 years ago.... But it's still going on. Sometimes it seems like we're moving backwards instead of forwards. Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, and Rove are the ones who deserved to be hanged. They should have just given him life in prison. With the death toll over 3,000 now, hanging Saddam was political suicide.
Posted by: buckfush at January 01, 2007 06:20 PM (AeA5R)
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I wish I could say I was in shoch that the American news filtered out all of the truth invoved in the execution, but I wasnt. I was hoping like hell that someone would "leak" out a video of this truly momentous event. I am not a freak but I enjoyed wathching that piece of human excrement die! I only wish he would have suffered fro not only what he has done to his own country men, but allowing terrorist to train to fight against us the "capitalist american pigs" as they the TERRORIST like to put it. I too agree with everyone else that a little NOT..A lot of torture wasn done before the actual pulling of the handle.
Leeroybubba of KY;USA
Leeroybubba of KY;USA
Posted by: Do at January 01, 2007 06:30 PM (eUchW)
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I wish I could say I was in shoch that the American news filtered out all of the truth invoved in the execution, but I wasnt. I was hoping like hell that someone would "leak" out a video of this truly momentous event. I am not a freak but I enjoyed wathching that piece of human excrement die! I only wish he would have suffered fro not only what he has done to his own country men, but allowing terrorist to train to fight against us the "capitalist american pigs" as they the TERRORIST like to put it. I too agree with everyone else that a little NOT..A lot of torture wasn done before the actual pulling of the handle.
Leeroybubba of KY;USA
Leeroybubba of KY;USA
Posted by: Do at January 01, 2007 06:30 PM (eUchW)
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Figures, Mr. Do, that you are from KY. Do you fuck your sister and your uncle before or after you do the meth? Do you fuck your local preacher before or after the local republican rally?
Posted by: White at January 01, 2007 06:36 PM (AA/Rk)
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Saddam is dead! And the other mutha fuckers are short timers too!
Posted by: G. W. Bush et al at January 01, 2007 06:45 PM (jgwhW)
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He hasn't got the balls to invade Iraq or North Korea.
Posted by: GW Bush the coward at January 01, 2007 06:52 PM (JMr9w)
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Mr Do
The footage was actually "filtered out" by the Iraqi government. They themseleves released the footage to the world without sound (if indeed that is what you were referring to?).
Why is it do you think that they did that?
The footage was actually "filtered out" by the Iraqi government. They themseleves released the footage to the world without sound (if indeed that is what you were referring to?).
Why is it do you think that they did that?
Posted by: Andrew at January 01, 2007 06:52 PM (YDcMR)
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Do: Hi, Just would like to point out one fundamental mistake you made in your comments...and to correct it That is Saddam didn't care much for for Al Qaieda or Ossama Bin Laden...and Ossama disliked Saddam, that is Ossama requested Saddam to work with them yet he refused. Iraq wasn't training any terrorists against the West. Who knows why the West truly turned against Saddam perhaps he refused cheap oil to the US..no one really knows but once upon a time the US and Saddams Iraq were best of buddies...they knew about WMD because they supplied him with arms during the Iran-Iraq's 7 year war. By the way if you cast your mind back to the beginnings of the Gulf War II you may remember the UN were trying to search Iraq for these so called weapons...after some time they demanded to search Iraqs presidential palaces which they [Saddam] thought was overstepping the mark and I suppose that was rightfully so...I mean that is like demanding to search England's Queen's home Buckingham Palace. Then they accused Iraq of breaking UN resolutions and then the US war machine went into full flow...Unfortunately the same enthusiasm has never been shown for Israel continious breaking of UN resolutions for decades of continuous spread of its settlements in Palestinian territory...why? well ill tell you why...what a surprise the good o'l US of A keeps blocking any action at the UN because of its Veto power....it's all a load of bollocks their is some serious hypocrisy going on in this world...you gotta wake up!
Posted by: kamran at January 01, 2007 06:56 PM (+zQga)
Posted by: Andrew at January 01, 2007 06:56 PM (YDcMR)
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Ha ha ha! Yeah Andrew, I was sort wondering that too! I love the insanity of this board sometimes!
Posted by: White at January 01, 2007 07:06 PM (AA/Rk)
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The atrocities of Saddam Hussein resulted in a death sentence well deserved although the method seems somewhat inhuman. Lethal injection or firing squad would have been much preferred from my point of view.
For those of you who have served or are serving in the armed forces you all know what it is all about! Orders are given, orders are followed. Sometimes disagreed on but still executed. Vietnam vets, veterans of the Korean war and Desert Storm all know what the end result was.
What would have happened if Saddam had been "taken" out during Desert Storm? Would the situation in Iraq have been any different?
As a former member of an elite unit I have traveled to more than 50 countries around the world, following orders without question. I believe the "unknown" elite units of western countries could have alleviated a lot of the problems now experienced in Iraq but that is besides the point.
Remember what happened in Vietnam. The war was dragged out for years an lots of young american lives were lost. Who benefited from the war? Big industry!!!
Now the Chinese is fast becoming a nation to reckon with. One of the fastest growing economies in the world and it's not the fault of the U.S., as someone here alluded to. Investments are coming from all over the world and the chinese are benefiting greatly.
And what is the U.S. doing about the atrocities that occur in other countries right now? I just wonder?
Anyway, a lot of the comments here are right to the point but as someone said, several of the posters need to learn more about world history and about religion!!!
Thanks to tou who have a clear mind and a knowledge of the aforementioned.
For those of you who have served or are serving in the armed forces you all know what it is all about! Orders are given, orders are followed. Sometimes disagreed on but still executed. Vietnam vets, veterans of the Korean war and Desert Storm all know what the end result was.
What would have happened if Saddam had been "taken" out during Desert Storm? Would the situation in Iraq have been any different?
As a former member of an elite unit I have traveled to more than 50 countries around the world, following orders without question. I believe the "unknown" elite units of western countries could have alleviated a lot of the problems now experienced in Iraq but that is besides the point.
Remember what happened in Vietnam. The war was dragged out for years an lots of young american lives were lost. Who benefited from the war? Big industry!!!
Now the Chinese is fast becoming a nation to reckon with. One of the fastest growing economies in the world and it's not the fault of the U.S., as someone here alluded to. Investments are coming from all over the world and the chinese are benefiting greatly.
And what is the U.S. doing about the atrocities that occur in other countries right now? I just wonder?
Anyway, a lot of the comments here are right to the point but as someone said, several of the posters need to learn more about world history and about religion!!!
Thanks to tou who have a clear mind and a knowledge of the aforementioned.
Posted by: kat at January 01, 2007 07:08 PM (ULs/2)
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Kat
It is indeed refreshing to hear a balanced point of view from someone who has actually "been there"
Growing up in Ireland & during a period living in the UK I met a a number of ex UK armed forces members and only one had a balanced view of the people and situation in Northern Ireland. The rest had the same sort of bigoted view that we have seen displayed here against anyone that is not American.
Thank you for your comments
It is indeed refreshing to hear a balanced point of view from someone who has actually "been there"
Growing up in Ireland & during a period living in the UK I met a a number of ex UK armed forces members and only one had a balanced view of the people and situation in Northern Ireland. The rest had the same sort of bigoted view that we have seen displayed here against anyone that is not American.
Thank you for your comments
Posted by: Andrew at January 01, 2007 07:16 PM (YDcMR)
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Considering he got hung in the US and all..... Dumb ass..
Posted by: Shelia Mansfield at January 01, 2007 07:24 PM (BVqj6)
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What goes around comes around !!!!!!
Watch the Saddam video. See our invasion of Afghanistan. It already did come around.
Watch the Saddam video. See our invasion of Afghanistan. It already did come around.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 01, 2007 07:46 PM (8e/V4)
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Hanging should've been stopped 50 years ago.... Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, and Rove are the
ones who deserved to be hanged.
A leftist shows once again his uncanny ability to hold two mutually exclusive ideas at once. It's a mental disorder.
ones who deserved to be hanged.
A leftist shows once again his uncanny ability to hold two mutually exclusive ideas at once. It's a mental disorder.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 01, 2007 07:50 PM (8e/V4)
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Ummm...Kat, firing squad? More humane? Ok, I need think about that for a moment...
...ok, I am back. Believe me, I tried hard to see the humanity in the firing squad, and I couldn't get there. It's not just because I am completely against the death penalty; it's in part because I don't see your point. If you have the death penalty, then the process doesn't really make much difference. The outcome is, after all, suprisingly similar. So, how about this, if sociopaths like you want the death penalty - and apparently you do and there isn't fucking much I can do about it - then I demand that it be done right:
Nail the guilty one upon a Cross. Then, from 50 yards away, catapult a 10 ft. stainless-steel didlo at the fucker. Do that 10 times. Then, if he ain't dead yet, launch 10,000 pounds of human shit at the dude. And then go to McDonalds and have a big mac.
...ok, I am back. Believe me, I tried hard to see the humanity in the firing squad, and I couldn't get there. It's not just because I am completely against the death penalty; it's in part because I don't see your point. If you have the death penalty, then the process doesn't really make much difference. The outcome is, after all, suprisingly similar. So, how about this, if sociopaths like you want the death penalty - and apparently you do and there isn't fucking much I can do about it - then I demand that it be done right:
Nail the guilty one upon a Cross. Then, from 50 yards away, catapult a 10 ft. stainless-steel didlo at the fucker. Do that 10 times. Then, if he ain't dead yet, launch 10,000 pounds of human shit at the dude. And then go to McDonalds and have a big mac.
Posted by: white at January 01, 2007 08:04 PM (AA/Rk)
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Or, uh, a dildo (but a didlo would be cool too). And I changed my mind. Serve McDonalds at the glorious ceremony of justice.
Posted by: white at January 01, 2007 08:20 PM (AA/Rk)
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joe ege----- you are the kind of person whom creates war
some of u people are sick, really sick. whoever disrespects islam will burn in hell. There is a bastard here disrespecting Mohammad peace be upon him. It is people like that who create anger,
People who are educated know that the Americans were behind alot of what Sadaam did. He was no worse than what Bush is.
You people who comment of him saying Mohammad, you dont have a soul, you wish you could be half the man sadaam was. Tell me would your father be able to be as much of a man as he was. NO!
What ever he had done, his country was more at peace then it is now.
God knows what will happen in the next year in Iraq.
I did not like Sadaam, but now I hate America more than I have ever hated Sadam.
One other thing you racist uneducated people, what you will learn is that according to Muslims, Sadam died on the best day, a day that muslims would like to chose to die on.
Joe ege--------- your evil, you have no soul, not heart and no religion. You must have been bought up with no mother or father.
joe ege----- you are the kind of person whom creates war
some of u people are sick, really sick. whoever disrespects islam will burn in hell. There is a bastard here disrespecting Mohammad peace be upon him. It is people like that who create anger,
People who are educated know that the Americans were behind alot of what Sadaam did. He was no worse than what Bush is.
You people who comment of him saying Mohammad, you dont have a soul, you wish you could be half the man sadaam was. Tell me would your father be able to be as much of a man as he was. NO!
What ever he had done, his country was more at peace then it is now.
God knows what will happen in the next year in Iraq.
I did not like Sadaam, but now I hate America more than I have ever hated Sadam.
One other thing you racist uneducated people, what you will learn is that according to Muslims, Sadam died on the best day, a day that muslims would like to chose to die on.
Joe ege--------- your evil, you have no soul, not heart and no religion. You must have been bought up with no mother or father.
Posted by: salma at January 01, 2007 08:27 PM (D+1BD)
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Salma, watch the god damn news and tell me that Saddam died on the best day. Go to NY times web page. The Sunnis are pissed because it was the first of one of their religious celebrations.
Another thing, your burn in hell comment is not going to win any minds, that's for sure. Try another tactic. Better yet, another strategy: stop believing in the tooth fairy and try to get some Christian meth junkies to stop too. Your go to hell shit is about as frightening as a low budget horror film.
Salma, watch the god damn news and tell me that Saddam died on the best day. Go to NY times web page. The Sunnis are pissed because it was the first of one of their religious celebrations.
Another thing, your burn in hell comment is not going to win any minds, that's for sure. Try another tactic. Better yet, another strategy: stop believing in the tooth fairy and try to get some Christian meth junkies to stop too. Your go to hell shit is about as frightening as a low budget horror film.
Posted by: white at January 01, 2007 08:44 PM (AA/Rk)
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really sick. whoever disrespects islam will burn in hell.
*DING* *DING* We have a winner! A Muslim that doesn't threaten violence, but uses religious philosophy as a warning. *DING* DING*
Wear your "moderate" badge with pride!
*DING* *DING* We have a winner! A Muslim that doesn't threaten violence, but uses religious philosophy as a warning. *DING* DING*
Wear your "moderate" badge with pride!
Posted by: davec at January 01, 2007 09:39 PM (yaQM4)
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this is a nice comment on the media and publics reaction to the Saddam hanging... treating it and the whole war like a game...
ESPN's Coverage of Saddam's Hanging
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMjEUwd2bRU
or
http://www.myheavy.com/video.php?video_id=3857&type=user
ESPN's Coverage of Saddam's Hanging
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMjEUwd2bRU
or
http://www.myheavy.com/video.php?video_id=3857&type=user
Posted by: DingDing at January 01, 2007 10:03 PM (Ywigw)
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Hello GAYrooster. I like messing with Muslims, too. Just read some of my posts and you'll see (I just reread a few, and boy oh boy I'm a dick). But Kamran? Why mess with him? He's presenting a decent view that we should welcome. He's adding interesting ideas and taking time to put together arguments. So my advices is this: Show some discernment in your critical activity. The only information you gave us is that you are a homosexual republican who's pissed because if you come out of the closet your meth buddies will beat the shit out of you. With that said, "bring it on."
Hello GAYrooster. I like messing with Muslims, too. Just read some of my posts and you'll see (I just reread a few, and boy oh boy I'm a dick). But Kamran? Why mess with him? He's presenting a decent view that we should welcome. He's adding interesting ideas and taking time to put together arguments. So my advices is this: Show some discernment in your critical activity. The only information you gave us is that you are a homosexual republican who's pissed because if you come out of the closet your meth buddies will beat the shit out of you. With that said, "bring it on."
Posted by: white at January 01, 2007 10:16 PM (AA/Rk)
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they should of hung him by the balls, if he had any ha ha ha ha
Posted by: lily at January 01, 2007 10:36 PM (Io0mA)
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no one deserve that kind of death.. all of you talking crabs not knowing it was the nessecity to do what he did in order to take charge of a country in choas? well, america, since you are in charge now, hows the country? hows the people? how about the young children and women? managing them well? tell me they are in good hands because its just a big fucking lie..to those of you spitting on saddam's death, you dont know his contribution to his people..you are not one of them.. you dont know the hardship he went through.. you know nothing.. allahuakbar..
Posted by: mizzfiqa at January 01, 2007 10:37 PM (ecJx0)
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Kamran: All that education ( a mistake, we shouldn't educate sand monkeys) and when he comes down to it. You're still a goat humping muslime.
Posted by: Greyrooster at January 01, 2007 10:38 PM (Po6mQ)
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go back and learn the history of christianity before you open your big fucking mouth on islam ROOSTER! what you are clinging hard to are white lies and hipocritism of a once sacred religion.. it no longer is.. so shut your mouth! and this is no battle between religion..it is a one army battle of the stupid americans who thinks they control the earth.. i hope osama has bigger plans for your clans.. u deserve the burning heat of hell.. good Lord..allahuakbar..
Posted by: mizzfiqa at January 01, 2007 10:43 PM (ecJx0)
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comment # 64 Three words for you: Fuck you muslime.
Posted by: Greyrooster at January 01, 2007 10:44 PM (Po6mQ)
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Gayrooster, it's ok to have different views. But the problem is, nobody really knows what your views are - and maybe you don't know either. With the lexical talent of an abused retard, one can never quite understand why certain things are as they are, why certain things are not ok - like, for example, why it's not ok to go pee pee in your panties while watching Fox news. I know it's not nice to make fun of retards, and that you were probably made fun of in school for being one - which is why you now fuck donkeys (and lick the assholes of chickens and roosters) - so I am sorry that I did not comport myself as a gentleman of culture (I bet you don't even have a dictionary to look up the word "comport"). Go get 'em, retard!
Gayrooster, it's ok to have different views. But the problem is, nobody really knows what your views are - and maybe you don't know either. With the lexical talent of an abused retard, one can never quite understand why certain things are as they are, why certain things are not ok - like, for example, why it's not ok to go pee pee in your panties while watching Fox news. I know it's not nice to make fun of retards, and that you were probably made fun of in school for being one - which is why you now fuck donkeys (and lick the assholes of chickens and roosters) - so I am sorry that I did not comport myself as a gentleman of culture (I bet you don't even have a dictionary to look up the word "comport"). Go get 'em, retard!
Posted by: white at January 01, 2007 10:55 PM (AA/Rk)
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Lily, this board is not the appropriate place for your sexual fantasies. They are, however, very interesting, and I wonder whether your boyfriend sleeps comfortably at night with you beside him. My guess is that he hides all the knives in the apartment, 'cause I sure fucking would.
Posted by: white at January 01, 2007 11:06 PM (AA/Rk)
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Salna: Never heard such shit in my life. You followers of the shit eating dog mohammed look to the west and say we need educating. You stupid bitch. Everything you have comes from the west. Idiot muslime. Muslims produce nothing, invent nothing. middle east muslimes are nothing but parasites on the rest of the world. The world would be at peace now if it wasn't for the gutter religion Islam. Everywhere there is suffering and war in the world today is caused by your stinking religion. Bitches like you are so stupid I see no future for the middle east. Perhaps the civilized world should take that into account and come up with an muslim solution. Only this time make it work. Quit spending all your time screwing camels and get some brains you evil piece of muslim dog crap.
Posted by: Greyrooster at January 01, 2007 11:07 PM (Po6mQ)
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you wish you could be half the man sadaam was.
salma,
take off the burka and get some sun, your brain is suffering a vitamin A deficiency. Saddam wasn't worth half of my left testicle, and if there's any justice in this universe your buddy Saddam is in hell standing upside down in a vat of boiling shit for all eternity, you POS apologist for evil. He was a mass murderer second only to Hitler and Stalin. If you are what passes for a moderate muslim in this world, then I fear it won't end well for islam. I pray I'm wrong, and you aren't.
salma,
take off the burka and get some sun, your brain is suffering a vitamin A deficiency. Saddam wasn't worth half of my left testicle, and if there's any justice in this universe your buddy Saddam is in hell standing upside down in a vat of boiling shit for all eternity, you POS apologist for evil. He was a mass murderer second only to Hitler and Stalin. If you are what passes for a moderate muslim in this world, then I fear it won't end well for islam. I pray I'm wrong, and you aren't.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 01, 2007 11:16 PM (8e/V4)
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screw you rag heads against the hanging if you live in this country i hope the gov. finds your ass and throws you back to your misery of a life. It sucks to be you i live the american life and dig it.Stay in your mental misery.
Posted by: emt at January 01, 2007 11:24 PM (d0oK6)
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Black: You're not fooling anyone by calling yourself white. You lefturds always come with the gay shit sooner or later. That's what you're really up to. Isn't it. Looking for your own kind? Fucking faggot. Go back to defending your buggering muslim lover.
Posted by: Greyrooster at January 01, 2007 11:29 PM (Po6mQ)
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To put things into perspective for you I deceiced to share my thoughts.
First of all, everyone needs to take a look at themselves in the mirror and realize how good or bad you really are off. You eat well, got a warm place to sleep, come and go as you please. Chances are you are a lot better off than the average iraqy. So to sit on your computer in your warm house,on your fat ass bitching one way or the other is rather irrelavent.
That is about all I have to say but like the one comment I read said, karma's a bitch even in the world of islam.
First of all, everyone needs to take a look at themselves in the mirror and realize how good or bad you really are off. You eat well, got a warm place to sleep, come and go as you please. Chances are you are a lot better off than the average iraqy. So to sit on your computer in your warm house,on your fat ass bitching one way or the other is rather irrelavent.
That is about all I have to say but like the one comment I read said, karma's a bitch even in the world of islam.
Posted by: Bob Johnson at January 01, 2007 11:34 PM (sfzWF)
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Good point, Bob. But bitching is fun sometimes! Hee hee hee!
Posted by: white at January 01, 2007 11:43 PM (AA/Rk)
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white, me boyfriend had sex change ha fucken ha
Posted by: lily at January 02, 2007 12:32 AM (Io0mA)
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Ha ha ha! Sex change, eh? Wasn't expecting to hear that!
Posted by: white at January 02, 2007 12:48 AM (AA/Rk)
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"150 Oh well, they'll probably elect Jeff what-ever-his-name-is in 15 years. I'm not sure we meant for you lot to breed when we let you leave us in 1776.
Posted by: Big Al at January 01, 2007 07:51 AM "
Gee! Thanks Big Al! I mean for when you 'let' us leave in 1776. I like how Cornwallis was "Oh! I'm sick! I can't give the yanks my sword cause I'm so sick! O'Hara can do it, cause hes not sick ... Oh!"
It was Oct 19th 1781 when we took Cornwallis and his troops prisoners of war. We got rid of the burden of George the Third, despite his troops.
Excepting Cornwallis's cowardice at the end, the British were men. like us yanks, and both sides fought well. You cheapen the strong familial relationship between England, and the USA by making comments like you did. I don't help by pointing out Cornwallis's feeble snub. Lets stop insulting each others countries, shall we?
I say a dead Saddam is a good Saddam. Finally.
USA, and her friends, all the way!
Posted by: Big Al at January 01, 2007 07:51 AM "
Gee! Thanks Big Al! I mean for when you 'let' us leave in 1776. I like how Cornwallis was "Oh! I'm sick! I can't give the yanks my sword cause I'm so sick! O'Hara can do it, cause hes not sick ... Oh!"
It was Oct 19th 1781 when we took Cornwallis and his troops prisoners of war. We got rid of the burden of George the Third, despite his troops.
Excepting Cornwallis's cowardice at the end, the British were men. like us yanks, and both sides fought well. You cheapen the strong familial relationship between England, and the USA by making comments like you did. I don't help by pointing out Cornwallis's feeble snub. Lets stop insulting each others countries, shall we?
I say a dead Saddam is a good Saddam. Finally.
USA, and her friends, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at January 02, 2007 01:12 AM (2OHpj)
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This is the most hilarious thread I've ever had the privilege of reading in all my time at Jawa.
Ya'll are cracking me up.
Ya'll are cracking me up.
Posted by: Vinnie at January 02, 2007 01:49 AM (/qy9A)
Posted by: saddam at January 02, 2007 02:05 AM (kJEJ1)
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Seemed a bit set up to me.
He didn't hang for long enough to be dead for sure. Haven't you all heard about half hung maggie from edinburgh scotland?
He didn't hang for long enough to be dead for sure. Haven't you all heard about half hung maggie from edinburgh scotland?
Posted by: derek.g at January 02, 2007 02:36 AM (drlts)
Posted by: derek.g at January 02, 2007 02:39 AM (drlts)
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Fuck you all , Fuck Bush , Blaire , and all the SAHIYINA.
How many childes and peaople have been kiled by Israelian , Bush and blaire and all your fucken army ,
How many childes and peaople have been kiled by Israelian , Bush and blaire and all your fucken army ,
Posted by: free man AMAZIGH at January 02, 2007 03:26 AM (nbV2U)
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Hang George "Dumbya" Bush in Iraq for crimes against the Oiraqi people. He's responsible for thousands of deaths using bombs and missiles. Perhaps he should be tried by an IRAQI court and then be sentenced to death, but it must not be by hanging but one of his own B52 bombs.
Posted by: Justanothermonkey at January 02, 2007 03:40 AM (DgGDm)
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good Lord, this thread looks like an advert for Prozac™
Posted by: davec at January 02, 2007 04:23 AM (yaQM4)
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They should´ve given him back to the people whose family he killed to be stoned and gased little by little, then left in the desert to rot and be eaten by animals....but oh well. I am at peace with his end. Killed by his own f`up people.
Posted by: LiLitH at January 02, 2007 04:28 AM (903bQ)
Posted by: Somebody at January 02, 2007 04:41 AM (vDubp)
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whatever "religion"... the Truth is out there. grab it before it's too late for you.
Posted by: Somebody at January 02, 2007 04:42 AM (vDubp)
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but which country sold the gas to Saddam?..
which country knew precisely what for that gas can be used? which country? check it out...
not seeing a plank in your own eye, so typical for humanoids...
http://www.vmrabolu.com
hurry!
which country knew precisely what for that gas can be used? which country? check it out...
not seeing a plank in your own eye, so typical for humanoids...
http://www.vmrabolu.com
hurry!
Posted by: Somebody at January 02, 2007 04:45 AM (vDubp)
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An evil man.
An evil death.
He should have been shot at the very day when he was captured, sparing this ugly show.
The long bleeding show that is happening in Iraq might have been made a bit shorter in that case.
I watched the video with disgust - Saddam and all those around look equally disgusting.
Saddam was corrupted by his power and by his dis-respect to life.
May he rot, together with all other dictators, murderers of all kinds and suicide bombers.
In their own heads, they all have good reasons for what they are doing.
May god send love and peace to every living soul, and may everyone on the earth have a lot to lose, so that all cherish life and hate death.
An evil death.
He should have been shot at the very day when he was captured, sparing this ugly show.
The long bleeding show that is happening in Iraq might have been made a bit shorter in that case.
I watched the video with disgust - Saddam and all those around look equally disgusting.
Saddam was corrupted by his power and by his dis-respect to life.
May he rot, together with all other dictators, murderers of all kinds and suicide bombers.
In their own heads, they all have good reasons for what they are doing.
May god send love and peace to every living soul, and may everyone on the earth have a lot to lose, so that all cherish life and hate death.
Posted by: TheDeerHunter at January 02, 2007 04:47 AM (fT1iY)
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http://www.envirosagainstwar.org/know/read.php?itemid=3441
Posted by: "funny" humanoids at January 02, 2007 04:49 AM (vDubp)
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dearest deer... hunter.
you are not better than he is... you are as equally evil because you do evil not by acts but by wishing evil to other creatures...
you are not better than he is... you are as equally evil because you do evil not by acts but by wishing evil to other creatures...
Posted by: Somebody at January 02, 2007 04:52 AM (vDubp)
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Hi Everyone.
I, like you, came here to see Saddam hang.
After spending the past 45 minutes reading most of the comments, I have come to realise that I am glad to have been born in Australia.
I am glad that I can get up in the morning, drive (or walk) to my local Service Station and buy a paper to read back at home, drinking a cup of coffee with a piece of toast (I'm on a diet), then get into my car and put on some good, relaxing music and drive to work.
I work in an office environment with about 45 - 50 others all of different nationalities, different religions and colours.
We get along because we treat each other with respect.
After work, I might have a couple of drinks with some of my workmates.
When I head home, I may go shopping and buy my wife something nice, buy my 2 children some lollies or chocolate. I don't usually buy myself anything because I like to see the look on everyones faces when they notice that I went out of my way for them.
You see, the point I am trying to make is this.
Everyone has the opportunity to live a good life, be happy and provide for themselves and/or their family and friends.
Personally, I get very upset when people cross me the wrong way, upset my wife or kids.
You see, there is a side of me that let people know that I do not take shit from anyone.
I once lived a place called Wiley Park. It was at the start of the first Gulf War. I was sharing an apartment with a friend of mine. One day when he got off a train at Lakemba and started walking home, 2 guys walked up behind him, then pushed him. They began making threats that they would kill him etc...etc...
He ended up running, some of you may say he was a coward, I think not.
When he got home and told me about it, well let us say that I was not happy. I grabbed my car keys and told him to show me where they were. As I drove down a few streets, he indicated that they were further along, this time on bikes.
I told my friend to get out of the car (I parked across the road), he approached 1 of the guys and told him that he was now ready to talk, as there was 2 of them and 2 of us.
I crossed the road, pushed one of these guys off their bikes and was prepared to give these guys a hiding. Then, like all dogs, the pack started rushing in to help them.
Immediately thinking, Gee...Shit...What the fuck...I quickly ran back to my car and persuaded MRS OFF and her daughters to get out and help.
As MRS OFF pointed her finger at the crowd, a couple actually backed off. How powerful this woman is!
One of the guys who started this whole episode kept mouthing off to MRS OFF and her daughters.
One daughter in particular was not too keen on the language and attitude of this young fellow, and unfortunately she bit him on the foot.
Needless to say, My friend and I (MRS OFF and her remaining daughters) made a "quick getaway".
From what I heard in the local newspaper, the young guy that was bitten, lost his foot.
Disease I think.
You see, these people think they can say and do what they like in Australia.
Australia is a fun, sun loving nation that works hard.
We have never had to deal with any of this shit before. That is, being assaulted in the name of religion.
What the fuck is that.
You know. All of us in the developed world donate billions of dollars in aid each year to these fucking dogs.
We live our life in peace, work, pay taxes, provide aid, and provide military support where needed or requested.
These dogs are willing to take our fucking food, our aid and other assistance when it suits them, but still they FUCKING HATE US.
Is it just me, or can anyone else see this.
The food, Medicine and Money is GREEAAAAAT. Just don't try and teach us the way to support ourselves.
We all know who I am talking about.
I don't care what nationality you are, you are a friend of mine. I don't care what colour your skin is, I really don't care.
What I DO care about is Religion running peoples lives, instead of people running peoples lives.
Grow a brain, stop this in-breeding program with your fucking cousins, get some fucking skills, and while your at it, GET SOME FUCKING COMMON SENSE.
Two faced fucking scum. Your quite happy in taking our money, but oh no, don't try to create anything yourselves. Thats a fucking sin.
How can you take our money and loathe us at the same time?
You know, if your fucking religion is so fucking fantastic, why do you need our aid?
Now, you have been told you stupid, brain dead fucking MUSLIMS.
I, like you, came here to see Saddam hang.
After spending the past 45 minutes reading most of the comments, I have come to realise that I am glad to have been born in Australia.
I am glad that I can get up in the morning, drive (or walk) to my local Service Station and buy a paper to read back at home, drinking a cup of coffee with a piece of toast (I'm on a diet), then get into my car and put on some good, relaxing music and drive to work.
I work in an office environment with about 45 - 50 others all of different nationalities, different religions and colours.
We get along because we treat each other with respect.
After work, I might have a couple of drinks with some of my workmates.
When I head home, I may go shopping and buy my wife something nice, buy my 2 children some lollies or chocolate. I don't usually buy myself anything because I like to see the look on everyones faces when they notice that I went out of my way for them.
You see, the point I am trying to make is this.
Everyone has the opportunity to live a good life, be happy and provide for themselves and/or their family and friends.
Personally, I get very upset when people cross me the wrong way, upset my wife or kids.
You see, there is a side of me that let people know that I do not take shit from anyone.
I once lived a place called Wiley Park. It was at the start of the first Gulf War. I was sharing an apartment with a friend of mine. One day when he got off a train at Lakemba and started walking home, 2 guys walked up behind him, then pushed him. They began making threats that they would kill him etc...etc...
He ended up running, some of you may say he was a coward, I think not.
When he got home and told me about it, well let us say that I was not happy. I grabbed my car keys and told him to show me where they were. As I drove down a few streets, he indicated that they were further along, this time on bikes.
I told my friend to get out of the car (I parked across the road), he approached 1 of the guys and told him that he was now ready to talk, as there was 2 of them and 2 of us.
I crossed the road, pushed one of these guys off their bikes and was prepared to give these guys a hiding. Then, like all dogs, the pack started rushing in to help them.
Immediately thinking, Gee...Shit...What the fuck...I quickly ran back to my car and persuaded MRS OFF and her daughters to get out and help.
As MRS OFF pointed her finger at the crowd, a couple actually backed off. How powerful this woman is!
One of the guys who started this whole episode kept mouthing off to MRS OFF and her daughters.
One daughter in particular was not too keen on the language and attitude of this young fellow, and unfortunately she bit him on the foot.
Needless to say, My friend and I (MRS OFF and her remaining daughters) made a "quick getaway".
From what I heard in the local newspaper, the young guy that was bitten, lost his foot.
Disease I think.
You see, these people think they can say and do what they like in Australia.
Australia is a fun, sun loving nation that works hard.
We have never had to deal with any of this shit before. That is, being assaulted in the name of religion.
What the fuck is that.
You know. All of us in the developed world donate billions of dollars in aid each year to these fucking dogs.
We live our life in peace, work, pay taxes, provide aid, and provide military support where needed or requested.
These dogs are willing to take our fucking food, our aid and other assistance when it suits them, but still they FUCKING HATE US.
Is it just me, or can anyone else see this.
The food, Medicine and Money is GREEAAAAAT. Just don't try and teach us the way to support ourselves.
We all know who I am talking about.
I don't care what nationality you are, you are a friend of mine. I don't care what colour your skin is, I really don't care.
What I DO care about is Religion running peoples lives, instead of people running peoples lives.
Grow a brain, stop this in-breeding program with your fucking cousins, get some fucking skills, and while your at it, GET SOME FUCKING COMMON SENSE.
Two faced fucking scum. Your quite happy in taking our money, but oh no, don't try to create anything yourselves. Thats a fucking sin.
How can you take our money and loathe us at the same time?
You know, if your fucking religion is so fucking fantastic, why do you need our aid?
Now, you have been told you stupid, brain dead fucking MUSLIMS.
Posted by: I'm just glad I live in Australia at January 02, 2007 04:55 AM (U8Doj)
Posted by: John at January 02, 2007 04:58 AM (8SFL5)
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That video amazing! I am a Christian, and I DO NOT believe in violence...but some people are just bad. It made me feel closer to Jesus watching it. I know that sounds bad, but God wanted him die. I have not doubt about it. He was evil. Why keep evil people? Some on this group like evil people. YOU EVIL people are next if you don't shut up. Christians Jews and Islams have the same God. We have different stories about him, but we know he is the same. Jewish God and Allah are the same. Jesus Christ.
Posted by: Finallyjustice at January 02, 2007 04:59 AM (AA/Rk)
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A Brave Man Died Bravely he slaped in the face of the Americans and the Bush government
Posted by: Kito at January 02, 2007 05:00 AM (r8wGT)
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Anybody who wishes death on another i pity you for you don't seem to realise that murder is never the answer. Never. You never know when to stop that's the trouble...
Posted by: Jim at January 02, 2007 05:02 AM (HMbS2)
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All left-wingers are mental incometents:
"Was Jeff Bargholz dropped on his head as a child? Does he know anything about history? Is he addicted to lying? Is the American Right Wing the E.Coli of politics?
Jeff, since you're so patriotic, when are you finishing your fourth tour of Iraq?"
Empty ad hominems and mindless projection instead of an argumant. How unusual for a leftist. Thanks for highlighting the infamous weak intellect of the unprincipled left. The chicken hawk libel was especially weak.
Since you're so unpatriotic, when are you enlisting in Al Qaeda or one of the human shield "peace groups" operating in Iraq?
Fucking moron.
"Was Jeff Bargholz dropped on his head as a child? Does he know anything about history? Is he addicted to lying? Is the American Right Wing the E.Coli of politics?
Jeff, since you're so patriotic, when are you finishing your fourth tour of Iraq?"
Empty ad hominems and mindless projection instead of an argumant. How unusual for a leftist. Thanks for highlighting the infamous weak intellect of the unprincipled left. The chicken hawk libel was especially weak.
Since you're so unpatriotic, when are you enlisting in Al Qaeda or one of the human shield "peace groups" operating in Iraq?
Fucking moron.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 06:18 AM (abVz3)
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 06:21 AM (abVz3)
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Cindy-pinyerass:
"Who's that jeff dude? Woe! Borders sells history books. Cheap. Get one. No. Get two or three. Read them. Study them. Learn them. Then join the military and do your duty. God bless!"
Borders also sells grammar and spelling programs. You need to buy some along with the history books you so desperately need, little projectionist.
The old chicken hawk argument is devoid of any sense or rationality. No wonder leftists love it. According to that little gem of illogic, nobody should support military action unless they're in the military, while the traitors who oppose it are free to spew all the bile they want. Simply juvenile. You leftists try to stifle any dissent, like the good little fascists you are.
The military cant support that many people in any case, Einstein.
I have a better idea. Why don't you join Al Qaeda and do your duty. I'd love to read your name on the terrorist KIA list.
"Who's that jeff dude? Woe! Borders sells history books. Cheap. Get one. No. Get two or three. Read them. Study them. Learn them. Then join the military and do your duty. God bless!"
Borders also sells grammar and spelling programs. You need to buy some along with the history books you so desperately need, little projectionist.
The old chicken hawk argument is devoid of any sense or rationality. No wonder leftists love it. According to that little gem of illogic, nobody should support military action unless they're in the military, while the traitors who oppose it are free to spew all the bile they want. Simply juvenile. You leftists try to stifle any dissent, like the good little fascists you are.
The military cant support that many people in any case, Einstein.
I have a better idea. Why don't you join Al Qaeda and do your duty. I'd love to read your name on the terrorist KIA list.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 06:30 AM (abVz3)
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Cock:
"That execution video was barbaric. I didn't think it would be real, so I watched it. And my oh my, it was real. And those good Christians and Jews getting erections watching it are probably not that much different than the people I heard in the background of the video. Peace be with me (no point on including you)."
What's really barbaric is letting terrorist murderers go free to commit more murders, like you Eurotrash assholes do. Barbaric or not, Saddam got what he deserved. Just because the Iraqis who carried out the execution were incompetent, unorganized retards, doesn't mean they were wrong.
You atheist assholes are far more like the islamopithecines than dem Jooos and Christians are. Not only are the koranimals your allies, but you Marxist scum are the only ones to exceed their huge body count. You cunts murdered more than 300 million in the last century, and consigned countless more to misery.
Christians and Jews will never be in your league when it comes to barbarity. How did you manage to type your comment with your head lodged up your ass?
Cry, cry, baby. Saddam is dead, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
"That execution video was barbaric. I didn't think it would be real, so I watched it. And my oh my, it was real. And those good Christians and Jews getting erections watching it are probably not that much different than the people I heard in the background of the video. Peace be with me (no point on including you)."
What's really barbaric is letting terrorist murderers go free to commit more murders, like you Eurotrash assholes do. Barbaric or not, Saddam got what he deserved. Just because the Iraqis who carried out the execution were incompetent, unorganized retards, doesn't mean they were wrong.
You atheist assholes are far more like the islamopithecines than dem Jooos and Christians are. Not only are the koranimals your allies, but you Marxist scum are the only ones to exceed their huge body count. You cunts murdered more than 300 million in the last century, and consigned countless more to misery.
Christians and Jews will never be in your league when it comes to barbarity. How did you manage to type your comment with your head lodged up your ass?
Cry, cry, baby. Saddam is dead, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 06:38 AM (abVz3)
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All you guys we're totaly blinded by your government (US gov), thats why your comments was very unreasonable. You guys haven't enough knowledge to know what happened between your government and Saddam.
The fact that your gov sending the troops to Iraq only for protecting private oil bussiness not for U.S. pride. And now you were blame it to Saddam for the destroyed Humvee dan thousands dead US soldier? Actually they we're the victim of your government policy. They were dead for protecting the ambigious of clolonialism, robber the natural resource from Iraq.
What was Saddam did is to protect his country and nation of Iraq against the robber, colonialism and Iraqi betrayer. Please all you guys open your mind, don't let your self drowning in stupidity. Lets we see who will be in hell?
The fact that your gov sending the troops to Iraq only for protecting private oil bussiness not for U.S. pride. And now you were blame it to Saddam for the destroyed Humvee dan thousands dead US soldier? Actually they we're the victim of your government policy. They were dead for protecting the ambigious of clolonialism, robber the natural resource from Iraq.
What was Saddam did is to protect his country and nation of Iraq against the robber, colonialism and Iraqi betrayer. Please all you guys open your mind, don't let your self drowning in stupidity. Lets we see who will be in hell?
Posted by: noan at January 02, 2007 06:42 AM (vXzWL)
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Stink Flower:
"Scott, you daring fool, I'm an American and I resent you attempting to speak for me. Look retard, Europeans don't like Muslims and don't think they can be appeased. I mean, shit dude, stop wasting your time watching Fox news. Most Europeans just don't think it's worth it to waste time, money, and lives on a bunch of idiots who don't even have the collective brain power to pump their own oil. What we did in Iraq has been a gift from asshole "Allah" to that sociopathic shit-eater Bin Laden. Things are not as black and white as you obviously think they are. Stop masturbating to Bill O'Reilly and get it right - so to speak."
Islamopithecines in Eurabia practice sharia, while raping and murdering Eorotrash appeasers on a daily basis. They live on the public dole and riot every night.
Who's the fucking retard? It sure as hell isn't Bill O'Reilly. You leftards really fear him, don't you? He's a populist, so I can only imagine the spittle-flecked hatred you reserve for conservatives.
Enjoy life on the lunatic fringe, bed-wetter.
"Scott, you daring fool, I'm an American and I resent you attempting to speak for me. Look retard, Europeans don't like Muslims and don't think they can be appeased. I mean, shit dude, stop wasting your time watching Fox news. Most Europeans just don't think it's worth it to waste time, money, and lives on a bunch of idiots who don't even have the collective brain power to pump their own oil. What we did in Iraq has been a gift from asshole "Allah" to that sociopathic shit-eater Bin Laden. Things are not as black and white as you obviously think they are. Stop masturbating to Bill O'Reilly and get it right - so to speak."
Islamopithecines in Eurabia practice sharia, while raping and murdering Eorotrash appeasers on a daily basis. They live on the public dole and riot every night.
Who's the fucking retard? It sure as hell isn't Bill O'Reilly. You leftards really fear him, don't you? He's a populist, so I can only imagine the spittle-flecked hatred you reserve for conservatives.
Enjoy life on the lunatic fringe, bed-wetter.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 06:44 AM (abVz3)
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"You are correct, I am not from the US of A.
I was born and raised in Ireland so was therefore brought up with sectarian violence and murder on my doorstep.
I feel pretty confident that I know much more on the subject than you do.
I was also brought up listening to the poison rhetoric spouted forth by BOTH sides against the other.
You talk about hate filled Muslims infecting the world etc but seem to fail to realise that you are putting here in print the same sort of hate filled propoganda that they are putting forth about the west.
The experience in my own country has shown that it is only when this stops that any sort of real progress be made.
Until it does people in all areas of the conflict will continue to be murdered.
I am not, for the record, any sort of limp wristed liberal. I just think that views such as yours make no contribution to ending the cycle of violence, they just perpetuate it."
Where in Ireland were you born and raised? The IRA didn't blow things up everywhere. Were you in the IRA? I didn't know the IRA was a muslim terrorist group.
I've lived in an islamic country. Have you? Didn't think so.
The argument that only first hand knowledge is valid is a specious one anyway, and completely juvenile. I've never been to the Sun, but I could give you accurate temperature readings for it.
From your comments, it's obvious that you know dick-all about islam and islamic terrorism. If the subject you know much more about than I do is getting drunk and falling down, I agree with you.
I don't spread propaganda at all, much less propaganda that calls to kill everyone who fails to share my religious beliefs. There is no moral equivalency between me and the terrorists.
The IRA still spouts anti-English propaganda, so you obviously are dead wrong. The terrorism stopped because the public had had enough, and the IRA goons can get what they want without terrorism.
There is no such thing as a cycle of violence. That's just left-wing doublethink. There is only personal responsibility, and the irrefutable fact of implacable islamopithecine belligerence.
Grow up.
I was born and raised in Ireland so was therefore brought up with sectarian violence and murder on my doorstep.
I feel pretty confident that I know much more on the subject than you do.
I was also brought up listening to the poison rhetoric spouted forth by BOTH sides against the other.
You talk about hate filled Muslims infecting the world etc but seem to fail to realise that you are putting here in print the same sort of hate filled propoganda that they are putting forth about the west.
The experience in my own country has shown that it is only when this stops that any sort of real progress be made.
Until it does people in all areas of the conflict will continue to be murdered.
I am not, for the record, any sort of limp wristed liberal. I just think that views such as yours make no contribution to ending the cycle of violence, they just perpetuate it."
Where in Ireland were you born and raised? The IRA didn't blow things up everywhere. Were you in the IRA? I didn't know the IRA was a muslim terrorist group.
I've lived in an islamic country. Have you? Didn't think so.
The argument that only first hand knowledge is valid is a specious one anyway, and completely juvenile. I've never been to the Sun, but I could give you accurate temperature readings for it.
From your comments, it's obvious that you know dick-all about islam and islamic terrorism. If the subject you know much more about than I do is getting drunk and falling down, I agree with you.
I don't spread propaganda at all, much less propaganda that calls to kill everyone who fails to share my religious beliefs. There is no moral equivalency between me and the terrorists.
The IRA still spouts anti-English propaganda, so you obviously are dead wrong. The terrorism stopped because the public had had enough, and the IRA goons can get what they want without terrorism.
There is no such thing as a cycle of violence. That's just left-wing doublethink. There is only personal responsibility, and the irrefutable fact of implacable islamopithecine belligerence.
Grow up.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 06:57 AM (abVz3)
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i think the video gives us a thought that no one is immortal on earth. i personally feel that this criminal should have been sentenced to life term prison instead of being hanged...i know he has committed worst of crimes and he deserve more that wat happened to him..but, dont u feel it was barbaric to shoot the video of a person dying and fighting between life and death??i know this video will be watched by many more wanted criminals round the globe and chills may run down their spine.. .but hell man where had the human rights activists gone???? did he not deserve a right to appeal for mercy?did he not have a right to appeal for a stay on his sentence??i conclude that he has deseved well for his deeds ..but the video of his death is painful..wat ever person he might be...
Posted by: sac at January 02, 2007 07:03 AM (d2Zsv)
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Big Ass:
England's best and brightest had already emigrated to the colonies long before 1776, we kicked your inbred asses in two different wars, and saved them in two others.
The orgy of inbreeding in Britain since 1776 produced you and the other rotten toothed dhimmies who allow islamopithecines to screech death to Britian on your street corners. Good job on yer.
I pity the patriotic Brits who managed to avoid all the inbreeding. Their formerly great country is now infested with koranimals and chav scum like you.
Cheers, bitch.
England's best and brightest had already emigrated to the colonies long before 1776, we kicked your inbred asses in two different wars, and saved them in two others.
The orgy of inbreeding in Britain since 1776 produced you and the other rotten toothed dhimmies who allow islamopithecines to screech death to Britian on your street corners. Good job on yer.
I pity the patriotic Brits who managed to avoid all the inbreeding. Their formerly great country is now infested with koranimals and chav scum like you.
Cheers, bitch.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 07:03 AM (abVz3)
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Icky:
In case you missed it the first time, there is no moral equivalency between child molesters and genocideal tyrants. It's immoral and idiotic to claim otherwise.
In case you missed it the first time, there is no moral equivalency between child molesters and genocideal tyrants. It's immoral and idiotic to claim otherwise.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 07:05 AM (abVz3)
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'Somebody'
>
> dearest deer... hunter.
>
> you are not better than he is... you are as
> equally evil because you do evil not by acts but
> by wishing evil to other creatures...
>
> Somebody.
'Somebody', you are quite wrong here.
A moral human being cannot wish good to murderers.
If you wish them well, then you are not making
this world better.
Faith, beliefs and ideologies can take many
twists, but this one of yours is going really far.
Do you truly believe that wishing justice to
murderers makes one evil?!
So, you believe that I am no better than Saddam
Hussein, because I think that murderers must rot ...
>
> dearest deer... hunter.
>
> you are not better than he is... you are as
> equally evil because you do evil not by acts but
> by wishing evil to other creatures...
>
> Somebody.
'Somebody', you are quite wrong here.
A moral human being cannot wish good to murderers.
If you wish them well, then you are not making
this world better.
Faith, beliefs and ideologies can take many
twists, but this one of yours is going really far.
Do you truly believe that wishing justice to
murderers makes one evil?!
So, you believe that I am no better than Saddam
Hussein, because I think that murderers must rot ...
Posted by: TheDeerHunter at January 02, 2007 07:06 AM (fT1iY)
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you come you go life is too small to waisted it let me tell you some this shoud be a lesson to everyone of us.we need to learn some from this if you do wrong you will pay for it. my point is if we want a better day we need to respect our neghibors.love our childrens,love our nations ,go to school,work hard.treat others like we want to be treated.but the ones that do wrong will sufer consecuences and saddam hussein was one of them he kill he turtured others he left many kids alone with no parents made bunch of women widows so he got the wages of his ouwn mistake.i'm hoping he repent for what he did.cuz hell is not a good place to be.
Posted by: rafael at January 02, 2007 07:08 AM (jed4i)
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you come you go life is too small to waisted it let me tell you some this shoud be a lesson to everyone of us.we need to learn some from this if you do wrong you will pay for it. my point is if we want a better day we need to respect our neghibors.love our childrens,love our nations ,go to school,work hard.treat others like we want to be treated.but the ones that do wrong will sufer consecuences and saddam hussein was one of them he kill he turtured others he left many kids alone with no parents made bunch of women widows so he got the wages of his ouwn mistake.i'm hoping he repent for what he did.cuz hell is not a good place to be.
Posted by: rafael at January 02, 2007 07:08 AM (jed4i)
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you come you go life is too small to waisted it let me tell you some this shoud be a lesson to everyone of us.we need to learn some from this if you do wrong you will pay for it. my point is if we want a better day we need to respect our neghibors.love our childrens,love our nations ,go to school,work hard.treat others like we want to be treated.but the ones that do wrong will sufer consecuences and saddam hussein was one of them he kill he turtured others he left many kids alone with no parents made bunch of women widows so he got the wages of his ouwn mistake.i'm hoping he repent for what he did.cuz hell is not a good place to be.
Posted by: rafael at January 02, 2007 07:08 AM (jed4i)
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you come you go life is too small to waisted it let me tell you some this shoud be a lesson to everyone of us.we need to learn some from this if you do wrong you will pay for it. my point is if we want a better day we need to respect our neghibors.love our childrens,love our nations ,go to school,work hard.treat others like we want to be treated.but the ones that do wrong will sufer consecuences and saddam hussein was one of them he kill he turtured others he left many kids alone with no parents made bunch of women widows so he got the wages of his ouwn mistake.i'm hoping he repent for what he did.cuz hell is not a good place to be.
Posted by: rafael at January 02, 2007 07:09 AM (jed4i)
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you come you go life is too small to waisted it let me tell you some this shoud be a lesson to everyone of us.we need to learn some from this if you do wrong you will pay for it. my point is if we want a better day we need to respect our neghibors.love our childrens,love our nations ,go to school,work hard.treat others like we want to be treated.but the ones that do wrong will sufer consecuences and saddam hussein was one of them he kill he turtured others he left many kids alone with no parents made bunch of women widows so he got the wages of his ouwn mistake.i'm hoping he repent for what he did.cuz hell is not a good place to be.
Posted by: rafael at January 02, 2007 07:09 AM (jed4i)
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White and Icky:
(Nice combination you two make. It sounds like your favorite food group.) You two are hands down the most despicable degenerates on this thread to cry over Saddam's execution--and that's really saying something. You are the reason the extreme left is relegated to the lunatic fringe. "White's" belief that being White is shameful is reason enought to place him firmly in the sewer of ideas you scum crawled out of.
Saddam is dead lowlives, and there's not a thing you can do about it except piss and moan. Stew in the juices of your own demented hatred, you mental defectives.
(Nice combination you two make. It sounds like your favorite food group.) You two are hands down the most despicable degenerates on this thread to cry over Saddam's execution--and that's really saying something. You are the reason the extreme left is relegated to the lunatic fringe. "White's" belief that being White is shameful is reason enought to place him firmly in the sewer of ideas you scum crawled out of.
Saddam is dead lowlives, and there's not a thing you can do about it except piss and moan. Stew in the juices of your own demented hatred, you mental defectives.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 07:12 AM (abVz3)
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Stink Flower:
Do you miss your brain after having donated it to science? A liberal is tolerant and progressive--something you and all other self-proclaimed liberals most definitely are not.
Even before your cranial evacuation, you had to be a retard. Who else would discard what little brains they had?
Do you miss your brain after having donated it to science? A liberal is tolerant and progressive--something you and all other self-proclaimed liberals most definitely are not.
Even before your cranial evacuation, you had to be a retard. Who else would discard what little brains they had?
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 07:15 AM (abVz3)
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I agree with Jeff Bargholz. The liberal people always think they are sooooo smart. Me and Jeff seem to be the only smart thinking people who use the brains here!!! Liberals always say they are tolerant. They NEVER accept are positions. We give them the facts and show why the Arabs in Iran have to get back to the way that we said. They always like Saddam. He was mean and murdered lots of people adn didnt say why. The liberals just like saying things. Jeff, lets not listen to them because it is not going to be any good for the arguments anymore. I reead your post and there are the best ones and I agree with everything. they have the points. And O'rielly is great and he is the only sourse of the good news with no liberals bias!!! He wont listen to anything they say and he know exactly what to say.
I agree with Jeff Bargholz. The liberal people always think they are sooooo smart. Me and Jeff seem to be the only smart thinking people who use the brains here!!! Liberals always say they are tolerant. They NEVER accept are positions. We give them the facts and show why the Arabs in Iran have to get back to the way that we said. They always like Saddam. He was mean and murdered lots of people adn didnt say why. The liberals just like saying things. Jeff, lets not listen to them because it is not going to be any good for the arguments anymore. I reead your post and there are the best ones and I agree with everything. they have the points. And O'rielly is great and he is the only sourse of the good news with no liberals bias!!! He wont listen to anything they say and he know exactly what to say.
Posted by: rightproud at January 02, 2007 07:22 AM (AA/Rk)
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Jeff
I have re-read all of your contributions so far and come to the conclusion that you are likley to be a very intelligent and educated person.
You say in response to my message that the argument of first hand knowledge is juvenile yet you have mentioned at least twice that you have lived in a muslim country as if it gives you justification for your views on the muslim world.
It is obvious that the experience of living there has damaged you and your view of that part of the world.
I am interested to know what it is about that experience that has caused you so much pain that you feel the need to insult and abuse in these pages anyone who holds a different view to yours.
Did you have a bad experience at the hands of the people in that country or do you just find for example the way they treat women an affront to your sense of what is right or wrong?
I would be genuinely interested in what causes you to have such hatred.
As I have said, I think, reading between the lines of abuse, you are actually a well informed and intelligent person but you disguise the fact underneath all of the swearing and personal abuse in your messages.
Try to answer this without resorting to the abuse. You may find that people in this forum would be more prepared to absorb what you say rather than take the piss out of you all the time.
I have re-read all of your contributions so far and come to the conclusion that you are likley to be a very intelligent and educated person.
You say in response to my message that the argument of first hand knowledge is juvenile yet you have mentioned at least twice that you have lived in a muslim country as if it gives you justification for your views on the muslim world.
It is obvious that the experience of living there has damaged you and your view of that part of the world.
I am interested to know what it is about that experience that has caused you so much pain that you feel the need to insult and abuse in these pages anyone who holds a different view to yours.
Did you have a bad experience at the hands of the people in that country or do you just find for example the way they treat women an affront to your sense of what is right or wrong?
I would be genuinely interested in what causes you to have such hatred.
As I have said, I think, reading between the lines of abuse, you are actually a well informed and intelligent person but you disguise the fact underneath all of the swearing and personal abuse in your messages.
Try to answer this without resorting to the abuse. You may find that people in this forum would be more prepared to absorb what you say rather than take the piss out of you all the time.
Posted by: Andrew at January 02, 2007 07:35 AM (lNm0v)
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Its not nice to call names. Jeff agrees with me. Saddam was not a good person. Thats because he was bad and killed people he didnt like. Now you want to say this stuff about him being a good guy. Ha ha ha! He was bad and didn't follow UN laws that said to stop. I watched the video many times and you know what? I am Christain to and it was the best video I saw. Saddam did not do things that were good. He tried to hurt everyone and librels this its sooooooo good and when me and Jeff say its bad you guys say we are not telling the right ways. SADDAM WAS EVIL. Nobody needs a evil man on this world. We christins know he was ment to die and its good so that other people see what we are talking about. we dont tolerate this thing. There ane to many liberils who chagne there minds and thinks is ok like did. read Jeffs posts, Mr dummy carlos
Posted by: rightproud at January 02, 2007 07:37 AM (AA/Rk)
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Although I agree that whatever Saddam did was not a good thing, it just isnt fair to hang him like that. I mean, there are other people out there doing the exact same thing but no one gives a damn about them. Why so?
If everyone in this world is to be hanged for killing people, everyone 'should' be punished/hanged - no exceptions.
And if this really does happen, then I'm looking forward to the date people decide to hang Bush.
Cheers.
If everyone in this world is to be hanged for killing people, everyone 'should' be punished/hanged - no exceptions.
And if this really does happen, then I'm looking forward to the date people decide to hang Bush.
Cheers.
Posted by: aimen at January 02, 2007 07:58 AM (Z0QQt)
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All you guys were totaly blinded by your government (US gov), thats why your comments was very unreasonable. You guys haven't enough knowledge to know what happened between your goernment and Saddam.
The fact that your gov sending the troops to Iraq only for protecting private oil bussiness not for U.S. pride. And now you guys were blame it to Saddam for the destroyed Humvee dan thousands dead US soldier? Actually they we're the victim of your government policy. They were dead for protecting the ambigious of clolonialism, robber the natural resource from Iraq.
What was Saddam did is to protect his country and nation of Iraq against the robbery,colonialism and Iraqi betrayer. Please all you guys open your mind, don't let your self drowning in stupidity.
The fact that your gov sending the troops to Iraq only for protecting private oil bussiness not for U.S. pride. And now you guys were blame it to Saddam for the destroyed Humvee dan thousands dead US soldier? Actually they we're the victim of your government policy. They were dead for protecting the ambigious of clolonialism, robber the natural resource from Iraq.
What was Saddam did is to protect his country and nation of Iraq against the robbery,colonialism and Iraqi betrayer. Please all you guys open your mind, don't let your self drowning in stupidity.
Posted by: NOAN at January 02, 2007 08:07 AM (po7+i)
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Me and jeff are not stupid ones liberil noam. Librils always say I am soooooo smart and then Saddam is sooooooo great. I studied this at my community college and know what? Saddam was bad because he didnt stop hurting the people and we asked him to stop hurt them and he didn;t stop that mr liberal nobody. The video shows what conservatives will do when this happens and if librils was in charge the would say oh Saddaam is soooooo goood, and we shoudl by him flowers and give him money. Isreal is US friend and we dont tolerate terrorists. Saddam and al Aquada were working on terrorisms and Bush is not going to let that go! So there, mr dumy noam
Posted by: rightproud at January 02, 2007 08:14 AM (AA/Rk)
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Don't forget thet you guys payed for his Guns...you all supported him against IRAN...so actually your president deserves to be hanged too.....
Posted by: Ann at January 02, 2007 08:14 AM (RTKsW)
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I am a Christian, and I DO NOT believe in violence...but some people are just bad. It made me feel closer to Jesus watching it.
If that's your idea of comedy, don't quit your day job, asswipe.
If that's your idea of comedy, don't quit your day job, asswipe.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 02, 2007 08:18 AM (8e/V4)
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stop wasting your time watching Fox news.
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/my best impersonation of a Liberal.
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/my best impersonation of a Liberal.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 02, 2007 08:30 AM (8e/V4)
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Ann is jealous cuase shes not American. Haha!!! Bush is great he does not listen to liberils!!!! Saddaam tried to not follow the orders at the UN and see whats gonnig to happen? Haha. Librils think they are ssoooooo much better and they always say that. The only better people are me and Jeff. So all You librils go back to get the facts were you find them right!!! HAha.
Posted by: rightproud at January 02, 2007 08:32 AM (AA/Rk)
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It´s all a fucking set up!! It´s a look-a-like!!!
What a conincidence that the video at a world leader's execution just happends to be of shitty quality!!!!
It´s a Saddam look-a-like. Some bearded guy with what's supposed to be a rope around his neck and we never see him ACTUALLY choking. For christ's sake... it's all fake. He was never killed. The CIA payed him a couple of million to just shut up and leave. Fucking grow up people!!!!
What a conincidence that the video at a world leader's execution just happends to be of shitty quality!!!!
It´s a Saddam look-a-like. Some bearded guy with what's supposed to be a rope around his neck and we never see him ACTUALLY choking. For christ's sake... it's all fake. He was never killed. The CIA payed him a couple of million to just shut up and leave. Fucking grow up people!!!!
Posted by: johnny at January 02, 2007 08:38 AM (7K6lR)
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May GOD forgive those who executed Saddam.
Posted by: ghie at January 02, 2007 08:58 AM (OltTC)
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May GOD forgive those who executed Saddam.
Posted by: ghie at January 02, 2007 08:59 AM (OltTC)
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The media said the video was hard to watch. What was so tough? We didn't see the actual death. The media needs to toughen up and stop being so pro-anti-american in the sentiments.
Political correctiness is destroying this country!!
Political correctiness is destroying this country!!
Posted by: Debby at January 02, 2007 09:19 AM (cwy9p)
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Some years ago, a calculated fool thought that the Vietnamese military was a joke. Many years later, a like-minded fool thought that the Iraqi military a Joke. The common error boils down to this: military tactics and strategies change; cultural factors, enemy adaptation, and moral positions sometimes render technological superiority mute.
And in the most astonishingly obvious act of AIPAC propaganda, yet an even bigger fool suggested that the Chinese military is a joke. Nice try, Jeff. We are not stupid enough to dump our entire country into the Middle East. Go lobby somewhere else.
And in the most astonishingly obvious act of AIPAC propaganda, yet an even bigger fool suggested that the Chinese military is a joke. Nice try, Jeff. We are not stupid enough to dump our entire country into the Middle East. Go lobby somewhere else.
Posted by: Pink Flower at January 02, 2007 09:31 AM (AA/Rk)
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 02, 2007 09:41 AM (8e/V4)
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I thank god that those on this thread do not represent the moderate majority in this country (U.S.A).
Get off your computers and LIVE people!
Get off your computers and LIVE people!
Posted by: mark at January 02, 2007 09:45 AM (d5lLK)
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TO JEFF :
Jeff, I couldn't help to find funny your comments, I dont dislike you, I think we should have more poeple like you, with the strenght of the convictions you have on this part of the world. By the way bro, I am not mexican...far from it, and I dont do peyote...but coke...lol..anyway , peace with you.
TO "EL VENDIDO" JESUSLAND :
You are wrong in what you say. What makes a person, it's his race, his culture, and the genetical inheritance of his parents and ancestry. His way of thinking is only a minor, but significant part of it. Those things that make your blood count can not be change, but what you think can be changed and transform, by learning first hand, or by influence like in your case. Next time look at yourself on the mirror, a green card doesnt make you american fool, if thats what you think, you are in a sad state of being, if not , go and ask the KKK and White Supremacy what they think about you ...dont make me laugh!!!...
Yes, I think you are a VENDIDO, but its not too late to wake up, and by the way, I say it again...I AM NOT MEXICAN...AND I HAVE NEVER BEEN IN CHIAPAS..., but I respect the mexican people, if thats where your ancestry is from, you dont deserve it man.
TO THE IRISH :
The IRA is right, as long as England is in Northern Ireland, keep fighting, thats all they understand. BUT WATCH OUT...DONT LET THE YANKS TAKE OVER AFTER THEM EITHER MATE!.
TO THE AUSSIE GUY :
God bless Australia and watch
out the bloody lebs mate!
Peace to you brother.
That was all my children:
EL MONJE
Jeff, I couldn't help to find funny your comments, I dont dislike you, I think we should have more poeple like you, with the strenght of the convictions you have on this part of the world. By the way bro, I am not mexican...far from it, and I dont do peyote...but coke...lol..anyway , peace with you.
TO "EL VENDIDO" JESUSLAND :
You are wrong in what you say. What makes a person, it's his race, his culture, and the genetical inheritance of his parents and ancestry. His way of thinking is only a minor, but significant part of it. Those things that make your blood count can not be change, but what you think can be changed and transform, by learning first hand, or by influence like in your case. Next time look at yourself on the mirror, a green card doesnt make you american fool, if thats what you think, you are in a sad state of being, if not , go and ask the KKK and White Supremacy what they think about you ...dont make me laugh!!!...
Yes, I think you are a VENDIDO, but its not too late to wake up, and by the way, I say it again...I AM NOT MEXICAN...AND I HAVE NEVER BEEN IN CHIAPAS..., but I respect the mexican people, if thats where your ancestry is from, you dont deserve it man.
TO THE IRISH :
The IRA is right, as long as England is in Northern Ireland, keep fighting, thats all they understand. BUT WATCH OUT...DONT LET THE YANKS TAKE OVER AFTER THEM EITHER MATE!.
TO THE AUSSIE GUY :
God bless Australia and watch
out the bloody lebs mate!
Peace to you brother.
That was all my children:
EL MONJE
Posted by: EL MONJE at January 02, 2007 10:11 AM (zNJ3f)
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Debby, yeah, the video was hard to watch, depending upon what your opinions of justice are.
It was hard to watch for me because the sound was bad...I couldn't hear his neck snap and it was also hard to watch from a grainy, shaky cell phone cam.
Bring it on in HD so I can see it on my big screen TV in glorious, pixelated color.
It was hard to watch for me because the sound was bad...I couldn't hear his neck snap and it was also hard to watch from a grainy, shaky cell phone cam.
Bring it on in HD so I can see it on my big screen TV in glorious, pixelated color.
Posted by: Laura at January 02, 2007 10:42 AM (SsxYL)
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Nastyrash (Nazirah
Saddam wasn't quite human, and neither are the majority of islamopithecines, so you're going to have to come up with a better reason for us to stop killing you. (Not that we killed Saddam--we let you koranimals do that.)
Don't worry. You'll be sharing a pit in Hell with Saddamite and the prohet pretender, child molester Muhammad (piss be upon her,) sooner or later.
Enjoy your devil worshipping cult while you can. It's only a matter of time until the West--and China--grow tired of you and destroy islame once and for all. allah koos!
Saddam wasn't quite human, and neither are the majority of islamopithecines, so you're going to have to come up with a better reason for us to stop killing you. (Not that we killed Saddam--we let you koranimals do that.)
Don't worry. You'll be sharing a pit in Hell with Saddamite and the prohet pretender, child molester Muhammad (piss be upon her,) sooner or later.
Enjoy your devil worshipping cult while you can. It's only a matter of time until the West--and China--grow tired of you and destroy islame once and for all. allah koos!
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 11:11 AM (abVz3)
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Andrew:
Don't kid yourself: the majority of Americans detest islamopithecines and their death cult.
Islame is a fundamentalist religion, you ignoramus. Those you call fundamentalists are the pious majority by koranimal standards. Try reading the koran instead of regurgitating happy talk and wishful thinking. Better yet, read what the islamopaths are writing, and listen to what they are saying. They aren't exactly shy about their sociopathic intentions.
Try not to be such a fucking git.
Don't kid yourself: the majority of Americans detest islamopithecines and their death cult.
Islame is a fundamentalist religion, you ignoramus. Those you call fundamentalists are the pious majority by koranimal standards. Try reading the koran instead of regurgitating happy talk and wishful thinking. Better yet, read what the islamopaths are writing, and listen to what they are saying. They aren't exactly shy about their sociopathic intentions.
Try not to be such a fucking git.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 11:19 AM (abVz3)
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Mohammed:
"Hello US Sucks, go fuck Mohammed in the ass."
We're already doing it in Iraq and Afghanistan. Why am I not surprised you like it?
"Hello US Sucks, go fuck Mohammed in the ass."
We're already doing it in Iraq and Afghanistan. Why am I not surprised you like it?
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 11:21 AM (abVz3)
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"bismillah hir rahmanir raheem,
kalimah thoybah la illaha ilalal lahu muhammadur rasululah Muhammad koos sucks cock...
if youve read dis....you have officially become a muslim...pat urself on the back lol =P"
You've officially become a laughing stock by writing that. Nobody cares about the choking pig grunts of Arabic. I'm not molesting goats and little boys, or wiping my ass with my bare hand before dinner, so I guess I'm not a muslime. Your stone age curse didn't work, you primitive cretin.
If you're a muslime....you have officially become a target.
kalimah thoybah la illaha ilalal lahu muhammadur rasululah Muhammad koos sucks cock...
if youve read dis....you have officially become a muslim...pat urself on the back lol =P"
You've officially become a laughing stock by writing that. Nobody cares about the choking pig grunts of Arabic. I'm not molesting goats and little boys, or wiping my ass with my bare hand before dinner, so I guess I'm not a muslime. Your stone age curse didn't work, you primitive cretin.
If you're a muslime....you have officially become a target.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 11:27 AM (abVz3)
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go and ask the KKK and White Supremacy what they think about you ...dont make me laugh!!!...
monje,
so you think I'm not a "real" American because the KKK doesn't think I am? LOL. That's funny. Ironically, your insecurities about what they think means you live under their boot (como un indio aplastado), while I could not care less what they think. Their racism doesn't impact my life or my identity even in the slightest. In fact, my ideas and values make me MORE american than they because being American isn't about race, it's about an idea (which you clearly are oblivious to). God bless America.
What makes a person, it's his race, his culture, and the genetical
inheritance of his parents and ancestry. His way of thinking is only a
minor,
If you believe a man's thinking is minor, then you are not an enlightened man, but a primitive and tribal one. The world doesn't need any more of that! A man's thinking is EVERYTHING. We are not dogs or cattle whose identity is determined by who we rutted with. We are humans with MINDS that think. If you choose to be cattle, be my guest. I choose to be human.
Yes, culture does matter because it is about ideas and values. But not race. Race is only about skin color, bone structure, nostril flair, etc. Those are irrelevant distractions for the ignorant and primitive.
I do not choose sides based on race, nor even culture. So I am a "vendido". And proudly so. It makes me superior to you because I choose sides based on what I believe is right, or wrong. Race does not make something right or wrong. Nor does culture. Right or wrong stands objectively apart from such things. That's the difference between enlightened thinking vs the gut feelings of a primitive tribesman. So yes, I'm proudly vendido.
Re my "green card", I never needed one, as I was born right here in the US of A (New York City, to be precise). Yet my family ancestry goes back to the 1800s in Texas. So I don't have your insecurities about not being a "true" American.
Yes, I think you are a VENDIDO, but its not too late to wake up, and by
the way, I say it again...I AM NOT MEXICAN...AND I HAVE NEVER BEEN IN
CHIAPAS..., but I respect the mexican people, if thats where your
ancestry is from, you dont deserve it man.
Wake up to what? To primitive thinking? To tribalism? How bout you wake up to the 21st century.
ps., I have been to chiapas. It was awesome.
monje,
so you think I'm not a "real" American because the KKK doesn't think I am? LOL. That's funny. Ironically, your insecurities about what they think means you live under their boot (como un indio aplastado), while I could not care less what they think. Their racism doesn't impact my life or my identity even in the slightest. In fact, my ideas and values make me MORE american than they because being American isn't about race, it's about an idea (which you clearly are oblivious to). God bless America.
What makes a person, it's his race, his culture, and the genetical
inheritance of his parents and ancestry. His way of thinking is only a
minor,
If you believe a man's thinking is minor, then you are not an enlightened man, but a primitive and tribal one. The world doesn't need any more of that! A man's thinking is EVERYTHING. We are not dogs or cattle whose identity is determined by who we rutted with. We are humans with MINDS that think. If you choose to be cattle, be my guest. I choose to be human.
Yes, culture does matter because it is about ideas and values. But not race. Race is only about skin color, bone structure, nostril flair, etc. Those are irrelevant distractions for the ignorant and primitive.
I do not choose sides based on race, nor even culture. So I am a "vendido". And proudly so. It makes me superior to you because I choose sides based on what I believe is right, or wrong. Race does not make something right or wrong. Nor does culture. Right or wrong stands objectively apart from such things. That's the difference between enlightened thinking vs the gut feelings of a primitive tribesman. So yes, I'm proudly vendido.
Re my "green card", I never needed one, as I was born right here in the US of A (New York City, to be precise). Yet my family ancestry goes back to the 1800s in Texas. So I don't have your insecurities about not being a "true" American.
Yes, I think you are a VENDIDO, but its not too late to wake up, and by
the way, I say it again...I AM NOT MEXICAN...AND I HAVE NEVER BEEN IN
CHIAPAS..., but I respect the mexican people, if thats where your
ancestry is from, you dont deserve it man.
Wake up to what? To primitive thinking? To tribalism? How bout you wake up to the 21st century.
ps., I have been to chiapas. It was awesome.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 02, 2007 12:05 PM (8e/V4)
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Don't forget thet you guys payed for his Guns...you all supported him
against IRAN...so actually your president deserves to be hanged
too.....
Ann,
Wrong. You've been sold a bill of goods. Saddam's arsenal was primarily Russian and French-- not American. Only about 3% of his arsenal was American-made. Look it up.
against IRAN...so actually your president deserves to be hanged
too.....
Ann,
Wrong. You've been sold a bill of goods. Saddam's arsenal was primarily Russian and French-- not American. Only about 3% of his arsenal was American-made. Look it up.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 02, 2007 12:12 PM (8e/V4)
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Well I hope the rest of the Islamic murdering blood cult take note from this. But I still think they should have just thrown a granade in the hole when they found him and kept quiet about it.
Roll in Hell MADDAS!
Roll in Hell MADDAS!
Posted by: Aaliyah at January 02, 2007 12:33 PM (1EhBI)
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Well I hope the rest of the Islamic murdering blood cult take note from this. But I still think they should have just thrown a granade in the hole when they found him and kept quiet about it.
Roll in Hell MADDAS!
Roll in Hell MADDAS!
Posted by: Aaliyah at January 02, 2007 12:33 PM (1EhBI)
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Well I hope the rest of the Islamic murdering blood cult take note from this. But I still think they should have just thrown a granade in the hole when they found him and kept quiet about it.
Roll in Hell MADDAS!
Roll in Hell MADDAS!
Posted by: Aaliyah at January 02, 2007 12:34 PM (1EhBI)
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Well I hope the rest of the Islamic murdering blood cult take note from this. But I still think they should have just thrown a granade in the hole when they found him and kept quiet about it.
Roll in Hell MADDAS!
Roll in Hell MADDAS!
Posted by: Aaliyah at January 02, 2007 12:34 PM (1EhBI)
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White Trash:
The book of Leviticus did not order the ancient and extinct tribe of Leviticus or any other Hebrew tribe to kill people. It described tribal life, which was mainly governed by oral law.
It's a moot point because the 12 ancient tribes of Israel are exctinct, they did not force their laws or religion on outsiders, and there is no Christian or Jewish practice of murdering homos or anybody else today.
Islamopithecines, however, are another story entirely.
Atheists are the greatest mass murderers in history. More than 300 million in the 20th century alone, and you scum are itching to up the ante by killing everyone who disagrees with you--you just don't have the power. As far as superstition goes, what's more superstitious than thinking a compressed ball of nothing blew up and transmogrified into matter, energy, and the physical laws of the universe? Believing that takes a lot more faith than believing in a guiding hand. There is not a single instance of a spontaneous event in the natural universe. Not one.
America kills terrorists, while Saddam killed his own people, yet you think Iraq was better off under him. That says a lot about what a miserable Limey prick you are. Impersonating an American is weak, although I wouldn't want to admit I was British either.
The terrorists are dying in droves in Iraq, and when Bush takes out the regimes in Iran and Syria in the next couple of years, they won't have an entry point into Iraq anymore. Get your hanky out now, douchebag.
Unpatriotic ass-pounders like you are just like those wankers who forced us to abandon Vietnam to the communist murderers. 3 million murdered as soon as the Democrats witheld the funds they promised South Vietnam. Not that a cock-sucker like you cares how many people are killed because of your child-like ideology. And it's no surprise that a bunch of unpatriotic chicken-shit draft dodging boy-fuckers want us to abandon the Iraqis the same way.
Kentucky produced Abraham Lincoln and the world's best bourbon. Unlike you rotten toothed queers, the Kentucky Baptists frown on fudge-packing. As far as incest goes, take a look at your "royal" family, dickweed. Nobody inbreeds like you Brits do. When you aren't chewing on ecstasy and buggering boys, that is. Butt ramming sixteen year olds is illegal in this country, Chester the molester. Not even sheep are safe in your sick country. There are no American chavs.
If you want a good way to execute somebody, just feed him some British beef. If the taste doesn't kill him, the mad cow disease will.
The New Dork Times editorial page is about as reliable as you are. Quoting its rantings is like the NYT quoting your unhinged blathering. It's like circle jerking, so I'm not surprised you do it. There is no sunni celebration that starts on the day your hero was hanged. You're a willing dupe if you believe that shit.
You sure seem to be hung up on homos. Only a flaming faggot talks about butt-pumping and sucking cock as much as you do. Dhimmiecrats want to legalize gay "marriage" and let 13 year old boys take it up the ass (Bader Ginsburg wants it, Barney Frank does it,) and you call Republicans queers. There's nothing wrong with being gay, you know. You don't have to overcompensate with your butch posturing. Most moderates and conservatives have no problem with homos per se, so your self-loathing is unnecessary. Felch away, and don't forget the apple butter. Just don't do it in public, like George Michaels.
You don't watch Fox News, so you really aren't qualified to comment on it. A sub-literate mongoloid like you cant afford cable TV, and Fox doesn't have a preschool version. You'll just have to stick to squirting in your pants over the BBC and the Teletubbies.
"I wonder whether your boyfriend sleeps comfortably at night with you beside him. My guess is that he hides all the knives in the apartment, 'cause I sure fucking would."
So you hide the knives from your boyfriend? Before or after you play hide the Vienna sausage?
That about covers all your inane comments. I can say in all honesty that the weirdos and islamopithecines commenting on this thread are some of the stupidest, vilest, most despicable hatemongers I've ever encountered. I'm sure you aren't White, by the way. Why are you ashamed of your true race? Race is nothing to be ashamed of, just personal behaviour, for which you have a great deal to be ashamed of.
God save the queens! (90% of the male population in Britain.)
The book of Leviticus did not order the ancient and extinct tribe of Leviticus or any other Hebrew tribe to kill people. It described tribal life, which was mainly governed by oral law.
It's a moot point because the 12 ancient tribes of Israel are exctinct, they did not force their laws or religion on outsiders, and there is no Christian or Jewish practice of murdering homos or anybody else today.
Islamopithecines, however, are another story entirely.
Atheists are the greatest mass murderers in history. More than 300 million in the 20th century alone, and you scum are itching to up the ante by killing everyone who disagrees with you--you just don't have the power. As far as superstition goes, what's more superstitious than thinking a compressed ball of nothing blew up and transmogrified into matter, energy, and the physical laws of the universe? Believing that takes a lot more faith than believing in a guiding hand. There is not a single instance of a spontaneous event in the natural universe. Not one.
America kills terrorists, while Saddam killed his own people, yet you think Iraq was better off under him. That says a lot about what a miserable Limey prick you are. Impersonating an American is weak, although I wouldn't want to admit I was British either.
The terrorists are dying in droves in Iraq, and when Bush takes out the regimes in Iran and Syria in the next couple of years, they won't have an entry point into Iraq anymore. Get your hanky out now, douchebag.
Unpatriotic ass-pounders like you are just like those wankers who forced us to abandon Vietnam to the communist murderers. 3 million murdered as soon as the Democrats witheld the funds they promised South Vietnam. Not that a cock-sucker like you cares how many people are killed because of your child-like ideology. And it's no surprise that a bunch of unpatriotic chicken-shit draft dodging boy-fuckers want us to abandon the Iraqis the same way.
Kentucky produced Abraham Lincoln and the world's best bourbon. Unlike you rotten toothed queers, the Kentucky Baptists frown on fudge-packing. As far as incest goes, take a look at your "royal" family, dickweed. Nobody inbreeds like you Brits do. When you aren't chewing on ecstasy and buggering boys, that is. Butt ramming sixteen year olds is illegal in this country, Chester the molester. Not even sheep are safe in your sick country. There are no American chavs.
If you want a good way to execute somebody, just feed him some British beef. If the taste doesn't kill him, the mad cow disease will.
The New Dork Times editorial page is about as reliable as you are. Quoting its rantings is like the NYT quoting your unhinged blathering. It's like circle jerking, so I'm not surprised you do it. There is no sunni celebration that starts on the day your hero was hanged. You're a willing dupe if you believe that shit.
You sure seem to be hung up on homos. Only a flaming faggot talks about butt-pumping and sucking cock as much as you do. Dhimmiecrats want to legalize gay "marriage" and let 13 year old boys take it up the ass (Bader Ginsburg wants it, Barney Frank does it,) and you call Republicans queers. There's nothing wrong with being gay, you know. You don't have to overcompensate with your butch posturing. Most moderates and conservatives have no problem with homos per se, so your self-loathing is unnecessary. Felch away, and don't forget the apple butter. Just don't do it in public, like George Michaels.
You don't watch Fox News, so you really aren't qualified to comment on it. A sub-literate mongoloid like you cant afford cable TV, and Fox doesn't have a preschool version. You'll just have to stick to squirting in your pants over the BBC and the Teletubbies.
"I wonder whether your boyfriend sleeps comfortably at night with you beside him. My guess is that he hides all the knives in the apartment, 'cause I sure fucking would."
So you hide the knives from your boyfriend? Before or after you play hide the Vienna sausage?
That about covers all your inane comments. I can say in all honesty that the weirdos and islamopithecines commenting on this thread are some of the stupidest, vilest, most despicable hatemongers I've ever encountered. I'm sure you aren't White, by the way. Why are you ashamed of your true race? Race is nothing to be ashamed of, just personal behaviour, for which you have a great deal to be ashamed of.
God save the queens! (90% of the male population in Britain.)
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 12:38 PM (abVz3)
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JC:
Duh, this is the Internet, don't you know if you repeat a lie enough times it becomes true?
America sold Saddam all his biological weapons!
America put Saddam in power!
ad nauseum
Duh, this is the Internet, don't you know if you repeat a lie enough times it becomes true?
America sold Saddam all his biological weapons!
America put Saddam in power!
ad nauseum
Posted by: davec at January 02, 2007 12:39 PM (yaQM4)
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Jizzfiqa:
Apparently we know a lot more about Saddam's actions than you do. Not that that's saying much. We also know more about islame than you do, even though we aren't subhuman islamopithecines. Understanding a stone age cult isn't difficult for the most accomplished people ever to exist, retard. Americans were striding to the moon like gods while you hominids were fucking camels. Hell, you're still fucking camels when you can afford to.
Man, this is fun. The retards here make great target practice. Too bad it isn't the real thing, but oh well. It's still fun.
Apparently we know a lot more about Saddam's actions than you do. Not that that's saying much. We also know more about islame than you do, even though we aren't subhuman islamopithecines. Understanding a stone age cult isn't difficult for the most accomplished people ever to exist, retard. Americans were striding to the moon like gods while you hominids were fucking camels. Hell, you're still fucking camels when you can afford to.
Man, this is fun. The retards here make great target practice. Too bad it isn't the real thing, but oh well. It's still fun.
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Whore Lagaan:
"RIP Saddam.
Only the white skinned English speaking leaders of the so called "civilised nations" get away with their share of crimes against Iraqi people."
Those White skinned English speaking leaders you hate so much are the main defenders of the Iraqi people, you brain diseased cretin.
"RIP Saddam.
Only the white skinned English speaking leaders of the so called "civilised nations" get away with their share of crimes against Iraqi people."
Those White skinned English speaking leaders you hate so much are the main defenders of the Iraqi people, you brain diseased cretin.
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Jeff
Not doing so well on witholding the abuse and swearing are you?
Funny how your message to White Trash was such an accurate self-parody.
You are the very embodiment of the stereotypical ignorant yank that the rest of the world despises so much.
Someone else here has suggested that you are representative of mainstream American opinion.
God help us all if that is true. Your country would then be as much of a threat to the rest of us as the muslim terrorists are.
In fact I think I might have seen you interviewed on tv last year. Some inbred deep south hillbilly was ranting on about how he was looking forward to cheaper "gas" now that America "owned" Iraq.
Not doing so well on witholding the abuse and swearing are you?
Funny how your message to White Trash was such an accurate self-parody.
You are the very embodiment of the stereotypical ignorant yank that the rest of the world despises so much.
Someone else here has suggested that you are representative of mainstream American opinion.
God help us all if that is true. Your country would then be as much of a threat to the rest of us as the muslim terrorists are.
In fact I think I might have seen you interviewed on tv last year. Some inbred deep south hillbilly was ranting on about how he was looking forward to cheaper "gas" now that America "owned" Iraq.
Posted by: Andrew at January 02, 2007 12:59 PM (lNm0v)
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Re-elect Bill Clinton. Your country might be saved if you do.
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Whore Lagaan:
"RIP Saddam.
Only the white skinned English speaking leaders of the so called "civilised nations" get away with their share of crimes against Iraqi people."
Those White skinned English speaking leaders you hate so much are the main defenders of the Iraqi people, you brain diseased cretin.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 2, 2007 12:52 PM
Truth hurt him !!!!
Whore Lagaan:
"RIP Saddam.
Only the white skinned English speaking leaders of the so called "civilised nations" get away with their share of crimes against Iraqi people."
Those White skinned English speaking leaders you hate so much are the main defenders of the Iraqi people, you brain diseased cretin.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 2, 2007 12:52 PM
Truth hurt him !!!!
Posted by: LordLagaan at January 02, 2007 01:09 PM (r54vp)
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He got what was deserved. If they can put the poor inocent people who were beheaded on the internet, they can put a ruthless, cruel, evil, person like Suddam on the internet. Actually, I feel hanging him was too humane.
They should have beheaded him on the internet and held his head up like the bastards did to all those who were beheaded.
He got what was coming
They should have beheaded him on the internet and held his head up like the bastards did to all those who were beheaded.
He got what was coming
Posted by: Josh Green at January 02, 2007 01:16 PM (QZNkF)
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fuck america and israel , fuck america and israel , fuck america and israel , fuck america and israel the son of bitches and fuck the iraqian people who hate sadam . and fuck all the peoples that write this comments they are dogs and i wish to see them to burn them those son of bitches
Posted by: el_mujahid_fayze at January 02, 2007 01:17 PM (i2kwB)
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Jeff
I think you have found a soul mate in el_mujahid_fayze.
Same mentality, you just happen to sit on opposite sides of the fence.
I think you have found a soul mate in el_mujahid_fayze.
Same mentality, you just happen to sit on opposite sides of the fence.
Posted by: Andrew at January 02, 2007 01:20 PM (lNm0v)
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I claim my sahe on this thread's stupid price, 'cus I agree with Andrew.
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I claim my share on this thread's stupid price, 'cus I agree with Andrew.
Posted by: Eduardo at January 02, 2007 01:49 PM (2blVF)
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Andrew:
"The real difficulties people around the world have with american foreign policy only began with the election of George W Bush. He has done as much damage to the worlds perception of your country as the fundamentalists are doing to the perception of the muslim religion."
Bullshit. The real dificulty people around the world have with America is snivelling envy and ignorant misperceptions. None of the reasons given for hating America would hold water, even if they were applied consistently, which they're not. All the phony criticisms against America are never levelled against the rotten countries that they really do apply to. Look at this thread, and what's been written. The majority of the world's countries are crooked, belligerent, human rights basket cases, and a genocidal monster has just been executed for his manifold crimes against humanity. How do you people respond? By demonizing America. It's an illness, it really is.
The European news media are even worse than ours. Lies and distortions are the norm in both, but the psychotic America bashing of the Euro media is truly obscene in its scope. Bush had nothing to do with it. Any Republican president would have been viewed the same way, and you know it. Clinton, on the other hand, was excused for bombing Yugoslavia into rubble and murdering tens of thousands to aid Al Qaeda and the other muslime forces running wild there. Good God, the majority of Europeans actually believe that Bush is more of a threat to world stability than Bin Loser, Kim Jung Ill, Saddam, or the mad mullahs in Iran!!! Most young people in Erabia and Canada believe America is evil!
How can I take such people seriously? Why would I consider anything they have to say? Even without their blind, stinking hatred of America, their a sad, foolish, and pathetic lot. I don't have patience for morons like that. I don't waste my time trying to like people who hate me in any case. They're the ones who need to change their outlook, not me.
Islam commands all its followers to murder and enslave the rest of the world or burn in Hell, so good luck finding those moderate muslimes you mentioned. Any muslime who rejects that pillar of islame is considered a heretic or apostate, and so marked for death by his own religion. Sorry to break it to you, but that's just the way it is. You need to realize that not all religions or people are rational or peaceful. Evil does exist. Islame is responsible for most of the evil done by muslimes, not the other way around. Islam was concocted by a genocidal, pillaging, thieving, lying, cowardly, raping, slave raiding, homophobic, misogynistic child molester--and islam is based on his life, so its a carbon copy.
Your attempts to draw a moral equivalency between terrorists and "right-wing" Americans is ludicrous. The terrorists are traveling to Iraq from around the world to KILL Iraqis, not to help them.
America doesn't try to impose its will around the world. We know that would be impossible. We take care of the problems the rest of the world whines about but doesn't try to solve. Whenever evil rears its head, the world cries for american help (by help, I mean crying for America to do all the heavy work,) but whenever we do help, it pisses and moans about imagined American hegemony and arrogance--although you're all secretly glad we're here to do the policing jobs you aren't capable of doing. America doesn't try to control the world, and we don't even dominate it. We just outperform everyone else. There will always be one country that outperforms all other countries, and right now, we are that country. We will be for some time, becuse China is an overrated joke.
Remember, the world used to hate the Soviet Union when they thought it was a superpower. Now that America has been revealed as the world's sole superpower and Russia is a basket case, nobody hates Russia anymore--even though its a huge human rights abuser and destabilizing force in the world.
"GW Bush the coward
Who exactly hasnt got the balls to invade Iraq?"
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the rest of the world--especially the "progressive" Eurabians--aided and abetted Saddam's crimes for decades, and made fortunes doing so. If it weren't for Bush, America would never have invaded, much less England.
"The rest had the same sort of bigoted view that we have seen displayed here against anyone that is not American."
Talk about rank hypocrisy and projection! Yikes!
I mentioned having lived in the stone aged world in response to your comment about living with the IRA, and mentioned that it didn't matter. Nice try. Anyway, having lived there did give me special insights into the islamopithecine mind. First hand knowledge is valid. What I said is that claiming only first hand knowledge is valid is a juvenile argument. And so it is. Few educations are first hand educations, after all. History, astronomy, theology, archaeology, paleontolgy, etc. would not be possible if only first hand knowledge were utilized.
Living amongst the savages didn't damage me, it opened my eyes. Their religion is an abomination, and an affront to humanity. There is no place in the modern world for a primitive cult bent on slaughter, rapine, and world conquest. Not only that, but wog culture is debased to the core, and is the source of their religion, which is in turn the source of their behaviour--not the other way around like leftists believe. The reason I hate islame is becuses I understand it. Read the koran, the hadiths, and the surahs. Once you learn what islame really is, you'll hate it too. You don't have to hate all muslimes to hate islame. Yes, I hate the majority of muslimes because of their actions, but it's the cult itself that I really hate. If you don't want to read the whole koran, etc., just go to one of the many websites that explain islame. Islamundressed.com, jihadwatch.com, etc. Read the new book about the life of Muhammad by Robert Spencer. His policy suggestions for dealing with islam are unrealistic, but he's an islamic scholar second to none. He can rattle off koranic passages like he wrote the book himself.
As for the abuse, most of the dingbats here deserve nothing else. I have no patience for moral retards who cry over Saddam and claim that execution is wrong, while demanding that President Bush be executed in the next sentence (often in the same sentence!) without a hint of irony. I have even less for islamotards who claim Weterners are stupid, ignorant, savages, and then threaten to kill us becuse we dared to recognize islame's inherent savagery. I'm having a bit of fun at their expense. I don't have the slightest desire to try and enlighten them, or sway them to my point of view. They're beyond reason. I ridicule them because I enjoy it, and they need to be put in their place. They're too used to operating in an echo chamber, were everyone reaffirms their sick, moronic views. They need to learn that theyre in the extreme minority, and that the rest of us are on to them.
You seem to be an intelligent, decent guy, but you have a lot to learn about islame. Cheers.
"The real difficulties people around the world have with american foreign policy only began with the election of George W Bush. He has done as much damage to the worlds perception of your country as the fundamentalists are doing to the perception of the muslim religion."
Bullshit. The real dificulty people around the world have with America is snivelling envy and ignorant misperceptions. None of the reasons given for hating America would hold water, even if they were applied consistently, which they're not. All the phony criticisms against America are never levelled against the rotten countries that they really do apply to. Look at this thread, and what's been written. The majority of the world's countries are crooked, belligerent, human rights basket cases, and a genocidal monster has just been executed for his manifold crimes against humanity. How do you people respond? By demonizing America. It's an illness, it really is.
The European news media are even worse than ours. Lies and distortions are the norm in both, but the psychotic America bashing of the Euro media is truly obscene in its scope. Bush had nothing to do with it. Any Republican president would have been viewed the same way, and you know it. Clinton, on the other hand, was excused for bombing Yugoslavia into rubble and murdering tens of thousands to aid Al Qaeda and the other muslime forces running wild there. Good God, the majority of Europeans actually believe that Bush is more of a threat to world stability than Bin Loser, Kim Jung Ill, Saddam, or the mad mullahs in Iran!!! Most young people in Erabia and Canada believe America is evil!
How can I take such people seriously? Why would I consider anything they have to say? Even without their blind, stinking hatred of America, their a sad, foolish, and pathetic lot. I don't have patience for morons like that. I don't waste my time trying to like people who hate me in any case. They're the ones who need to change their outlook, not me.
Islam commands all its followers to murder and enslave the rest of the world or burn in Hell, so good luck finding those moderate muslimes you mentioned. Any muslime who rejects that pillar of islame is considered a heretic or apostate, and so marked for death by his own religion. Sorry to break it to you, but that's just the way it is. You need to realize that not all religions or people are rational or peaceful. Evil does exist. Islame is responsible for most of the evil done by muslimes, not the other way around. Islam was concocted by a genocidal, pillaging, thieving, lying, cowardly, raping, slave raiding, homophobic, misogynistic child molester--and islam is based on his life, so its a carbon copy.
Your attempts to draw a moral equivalency between terrorists and "right-wing" Americans is ludicrous. The terrorists are traveling to Iraq from around the world to KILL Iraqis, not to help them.
America doesn't try to impose its will around the world. We know that would be impossible. We take care of the problems the rest of the world whines about but doesn't try to solve. Whenever evil rears its head, the world cries for american help (by help, I mean crying for America to do all the heavy work,) but whenever we do help, it pisses and moans about imagined American hegemony and arrogance--although you're all secretly glad we're here to do the policing jobs you aren't capable of doing. America doesn't try to control the world, and we don't even dominate it. We just outperform everyone else. There will always be one country that outperforms all other countries, and right now, we are that country. We will be for some time, becuse China is an overrated joke.
Remember, the world used to hate the Soviet Union when they thought it was a superpower. Now that America has been revealed as the world's sole superpower and Russia is a basket case, nobody hates Russia anymore--even though its a huge human rights abuser and destabilizing force in the world.
"GW Bush the coward
Who exactly hasnt got the balls to invade Iraq?"
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the rest of the world--especially the "progressive" Eurabians--aided and abetted Saddam's crimes for decades, and made fortunes doing so. If it weren't for Bush, America would never have invaded, much less England.
"The rest had the same sort of bigoted view that we have seen displayed here against anyone that is not American."
Talk about rank hypocrisy and projection! Yikes!
I mentioned having lived in the stone aged world in response to your comment about living with the IRA, and mentioned that it didn't matter. Nice try. Anyway, having lived there did give me special insights into the islamopithecine mind. First hand knowledge is valid. What I said is that claiming only first hand knowledge is valid is a juvenile argument. And so it is. Few educations are first hand educations, after all. History, astronomy, theology, archaeology, paleontolgy, etc. would not be possible if only first hand knowledge were utilized.
Living amongst the savages didn't damage me, it opened my eyes. Their religion is an abomination, and an affront to humanity. There is no place in the modern world for a primitive cult bent on slaughter, rapine, and world conquest. Not only that, but wog culture is debased to the core, and is the source of their religion, which is in turn the source of their behaviour--not the other way around like leftists believe. The reason I hate islame is becuses I understand it. Read the koran, the hadiths, and the surahs. Once you learn what islame really is, you'll hate it too. You don't have to hate all muslimes to hate islame. Yes, I hate the majority of muslimes because of their actions, but it's the cult itself that I really hate. If you don't want to read the whole koran, etc., just go to one of the many websites that explain islame. Islamundressed.com, jihadwatch.com, etc. Read the new book about the life of Muhammad by Robert Spencer. His policy suggestions for dealing with islam are unrealistic, but he's an islamic scholar second to none. He can rattle off koranic passages like he wrote the book himself.
As for the abuse, most of the dingbats here deserve nothing else. I have no patience for moral retards who cry over Saddam and claim that execution is wrong, while demanding that President Bush be executed in the next sentence (often in the same sentence!) without a hint of irony. I have even less for islamotards who claim Weterners are stupid, ignorant, savages, and then threaten to kill us becuse we dared to recognize islame's inherent savagery. I'm having a bit of fun at their expense. I don't have the slightest desire to try and enlighten them, or sway them to my point of view. They're beyond reason. I ridicule them because I enjoy it, and they need to be put in their place. They're too used to operating in an echo chamber, were everyone reaffirms their sick, moronic views. They need to learn that theyre in the extreme minority, and that the rest of us are on to them.
You seem to be an intelligent, decent guy, but you have a lot to learn about islame. Cheers.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 02:31 PM (abVz3)
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What are the Israeli -owned neoconned faux "conservatives" going to say when the Sunni insurgency proves unbeatable, the Shia-dominated Iraqi government grants many killers of US troops amnesty as the only way to a settlement, and when Bush or whomever leads America at the time has to bargain with both Iran and Syria, rather than attack them? Heh-heh, you lose, phony
"connedservatives."
"connedservatives."
Posted by: Ken Hoop at January 02, 2007 02:35 PM (DZbll)
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Jeff
That's much better. A reasoned argument based on your own knowledge of the muslim religion which I accept is probably much better than mine.
I take back the "deep south inbred" comments and revert to the original ones referring to your obvious well-informed intelligence.
I do still think however that you are (I suppose understandably) looking at the USA through rose-tinted spectacles.
A lot of the ammunition (pardon the pun) that the muslim world uses against the west is propoganda developed from mistakes in US foreign policy.
I am not alone in thinking that America wants to impose its will on the rest of the world in a simlar, but less extreme, way as the muslims do.
Leaving the US and muslim worlds aside for the moment you will find very few people (including me) who disagree that Saddam was a monster.
Howevr you will find a great number of people that are confused as to the motives of the coalition for invading Iraq. Yes it is a given that Saddam need to be removed, it should have been done the first time around but there are obvious benifits for the west from the reserves of oil in the country.
If Iraq is left to govern itself and grow rich and its people prosper and have their lives enriched as a result of selling those reserves around the world it would be the best outcome.
Troops (of all the nations involved) are still there in order to help this happen.
Some people however are suspicious as to America and the coalitions motives - are they there in order to to be able to claim the lions share of that oil? Only time will tell.
I personally think that the next real world confict will arise from the battle to control the dwindling oil resources and China as it develops and needs ever greater volumes of the stuff will be right in the middle of it.
If it hasnt started already that is.
That's much better. A reasoned argument based on your own knowledge of the muslim religion which I accept is probably much better than mine.
I take back the "deep south inbred" comments and revert to the original ones referring to your obvious well-informed intelligence.
I do still think however that you are (I suppose understandably) looking at the USA through rose-tinted spectacles.
A lot of the ammunition (pardon the pun) that the muslim world uses against the west is propoganda developed from mistakes in US foreign policy.
I am not alone in thinking that America wants to impose its will on the rest of the world in a simlar, but less extreme, way as the muslims do.
Leaving the US and muslim worlds aside for the moment you will find very few people (including me) who disagree that Saddam was a monster.
Howevr you will find a great number of people that are confused as to the motives of the coalition for invading Iraq. Yes it is a given that Saddam need to be removed, it should have been done the first time around but there are obvious benifits for the west from the reserves of oil in the country.
If Iraq is left to govern itself and grow rich and its people prosper and have their lives enriched as a result of selling those reserves around the world it would be the best outcome.
Troops (of all the nations involved) are still there in order to help this happen.
Some people however are suspicious as to America and the coalitions motives - are they there in order to to be able to claim the lions share of that oil? Only time will tell.
I personally think that the next real world confict will arise from the battle to control the dwindling oil resources and China as it develops and needs ever greater volumes of the stuff will be right in the middle of it.
If it hasnt started already that is.
Posted by: Andrew at January 02, 2007 02:37 PM (lNm0v)
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I dont think its really him its a setup for sure
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I dont think its really him its a setup for sure
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I dont think its really him its a setup for sure
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Andrew,
stupid on so many levels, where to begin? Here's one though. The Dems ran on a promise of "change". They won. Now president Bush, John McCain, and many generals are suggesting a troop increase in Iraq. So what do the newly-elected Dems in Congress say about it? They agree! Change indeed, LOL. There's a big difference between campaigning vs governing. Bill Clinton isn't stupid. He would do little if anything different than what's being done now. The alternative, however, would be a retreat. And if you think that would "save" our country, then you've earned the stupid prize.
stupid on so many levels, where to begin? Here's one though. The Dems ran on a promise of "change". They won. Now president Bush, John McCain, and many generals are suggesting a troop increase in Iraq. So what do the newly-elected Dems in Congress say about it? They agree! Change indeed, LOL. There's a big difference between campaigning vs governing. Bill Clinton isn't stupid. He would do little if anything different than what's being done now. The alternative, however, would be a retreat. And if you think that would "save" our country, then you've earned the stupid prize.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 02, 2007 02:43 PM (8e/V4)
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Ken:
What are the "sophisticate" left wing moonbats going to say, when their policies and agendas endanger our country, and result in a terrorist attack? will you be rooting for the Sunni insurgency then?
Heh-heh, just because you feed the crocodile, doesn't mean he'll eat you last - moron.
What are the "sophisticate" left wing moonbats going to say, when their policies and agendas endanger our country, and result in a terrorist attack? will you be rooting for the Sunni insurgency then?
Heh-heh, just because you feed the crocodile, doesn't mean he'll eat you last - moron.
Posted by: davec at January 02, 2007 02:45 PM (yaQM4)
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Sunni insurgency proves unbeatable,
Something is unbeatable only if you lack the will to win. Thanks to Leftists such as yourself, that is quickly becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. The truth is you don't want America to win. You know it, we know it. But please have the courage of your convictions to admit it openly. But you won't because that would more or less defeat your purpose, wouldn't it.
Something is unbeatable only if you lack the will to win. Thanks to Leftists such as yourself, that is quickly becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. The truth is you don't want America to win. You know it, we know it. But please have the courage of your convictions to admit it openly. But you won't because that would more or less defeat your purpose, wouldn't it.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 02, 2007 02:47 PM (8e/V4)
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"Lets give mercy, to people who killed in cold blood, ripped apart family, and destroyed the life of children without sparing a moments thought, then ask me to think of the murderers family! think of his children! think of the suffering of the murderer!"
Hell that's exactly what George W. has done where is his noose? The sad part is because of him we are loosing more and more freedoms everyday .. has anyone even heard of the "the read ID"? Can anyone say big brother here? This isn't going to stop terrorisim but it sure as hell is going to keep a closer tab on you and me.
Hell that's exactly what George W. has done where is his noose? The sad part is because of him we are loosing more and more freedoms everyday .. has anyone even heard of the "the read ID"? Can anyone say big brother here? This isn't going to stop terrorisim but it sure as hell is going to keep a closer tab on you and me.
Posted by: tdeanda at January 02, 2007 02:53 PM (+vVJ0)
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fgehgt
Posted by: sofia at January 02, 2007 02:54 PM (yvtb8)
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salam
Posted by: essi at January 02, 2007 02:59 PM (yvtb8)
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Kumrag (Kamran
Your tired muslime drivel about ignorant Westerners not understanding the world's most primitive religion, and Jewish conspirators posing as American patriots, belongs in the gutter from which it sprang.
"We are supposed to be civilised society he could have got a life sentence."
Who told you islamic society was civilized? If you actually believe that, you're an imbecile. Saddam's death was incredibly merciful by islamopithecine standards.
"I did not see Slobadam Molosevich or Pinneche get a similar end."
Neither of those men were in Saddam's league when it came to mayhem, and neither of them were tried in iraq, you imbecile. (Yes, I've concluded that you're an imbecile.) Milosevic wasn't even guilty of the crimes he was accused of. Not even the kornimal influenced "world" court convicted him of the crimes he was accused of.
"And to film it afterwards and air it in the media is clearly disgusting. Guys have you forgotten the Geneva convention that does not allow you to show pictures of dead American soldiers or any other soldiers for that matter) yet here you are showing a deposed President as if it were a circus where is the Geneva convention now?"
Iraq is not a signatory of the Geneva Conventions retard, and Saddam was not a soldier in any case. You koranimals shit on the Geneva conventions, but you expect us to tie our hands with them while dealing with vermin like you. Dream on.
"...well that would have clearly implicated Germany, France the UK and USA over who provided the gas in the first place and clearly they did not want Saddam to reveal that..."
More muslime propaganda. Chemical Ali produced the chemical wepons used by Saddam, you dumb-fuck. Do you honestly expect us to be as stupid as you, and believe that shit? (Shit, shiite, what's the difference?)
"Modern day America has allot of blood on it's hands from it covert operations and hides behind an illusion of justice the US did not care about bringing peace to Iraq or the Middle East, it is simply about Oil and power."
Conspiracy theories about covert operations are for tinhat retards. You probably believ in UFOs and aliens as well. Stop watching "X-Files" reruns. Oil and power? Where's the oil we took? Why are gas prices higher than ever, you blindingly stupid ignoramus? Power? Why didn't we keep Iraq after we conquered it? That's what you koranimals do, not us. Why are we spending trillions of our hard earned dollars to build that country? Where are the tax dollars and tribute the Iraqis are forced to pay us "imperialists?" I understand that you're stupid, but even a dolt should be able to figure out that particular truth.
"It does not matter weather you are from the Jewish faith or a Muslim either Shia or Sunni neither Christian we all have the same message that was brought to us by Jesus , Abraham, Moses and the Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him to live a good life and that there is one God."
Wrong. Neither Christianity nor Judaism preach jihad, and allah the mythical moon deity is not God. God does not reward people for murder, rape, deceit, and stupidity. Muhammad piss be upon him in Hell was a prophet pretender and a child molester. An epileptic, diseased, lice-ridden, insane, goat fucking liar would never be chosen by God as a prophet. Muhomo was a pawn of Satan, who he claimed he spoke to.
"Why does Tony Blair support the US every time even when he believes it is wrong..it is simply Politics the UK cannot afford to not support the US it is all a game of politics. It has been 3 years and yet the allied forces cannot control Iraq yet Saddam managed it.."
Blair sacrificed his political career to aid America in the overthrow of Saddam,. Saddam controlled Iraq through murder and torture--is that what you want America to do? How many times do I have to point out how dumb you are?
"look to Africa and see what true Evil is happening and has happened their look to even eastern Europe yet why should you care it is just a land of poverty and no future bank roll nor black gold."
America cant solve all the world's evils at once, and Africans aren't the threat to world stability that Middle Easterners are. Americans are spending billions to aid Africans--how much are you koranimals spending? That's what I thought. Again, where's the black gold America is allegedly taking?
The only reason you're crying over Saddam is because he was a koranimal, and you know the same thing is in store for the Iranian mullahs and all the other islamopithecine terorists.
As an Oxford graduate, you sure have a hard time with the English language and logical debate. If you graduated from Oxford, it must be an even bigger joke than I thought it was. If Max Power knew you were British, he would have properly identified you as a sheep shagger, not a goat fucker. I'm sure you haven't touched a goat since you left Dubai.
Your lies and distortions concerning Saddam's flouting of the UN resolutions and the American Cease-fire were hilarious. I wish I had your superior education. Then I could defend Psuedostinian terrorists and their war to exterminate Israel.
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to laugh at your expense. Your comments were unintentionally hilarious, and I enjoyed belittling you. You aren't as stupid as the other koranimals commenting on this thread, but that isn't saying much. Only a retard could choose to be a muslime. Here's looking at you: sucking my dick!
Your tired muslime drivel about ignorant Westerners not understanding the world's most primitive religion, and Jewish conspirators posing as American patriots, belongs in the gutter from which it sprang.
"We are supposed to be civilised society he could have got a life sentence."
Who told you islamic society was civilized? If you actually believe that, you're an imbecile. Saddam's death was incredibly merciful by islamopithecine standards.
"I did not see Slobadam Molosevich or Pinneche get a similar end."
Neither of those men were in Saddam's league when it came to mayhem, and neither of them were tried in iraq, you imbecile. (Yes, I've concluded that you're an imbecile.) Milosevic wasn't even guilty of the crimes he was accused of. Not even the kornimal influenced "world" court convicted him of the crimes he was accused of.
"And to film it afterwards and air it in the media is clearly disgusting. Guys have you forgotten the Geneva convention that does not allow you to show pictures of dead American soldiers or any other soldiers for that matter) yet here you are showing a deposed President as if it were a circus where is the Geneva convention now?"
Iraq is not a signatory of the Geneva Conventions retard, and Saddam was not a soldier in any case. You koranimals shit on the Geneva conventions, but you expect us to tie our hands with them while dealing with vermin like you. Dream on.
"...well that would have clearly implicated Germany, France the UK and USA over who provided the gas in the first place and clearly they did not want Saddam to reveal that..."
More muslime propaganda. Chemical Ali produced the chemical wepons used by Saddam, you dumb-fuck. Do you honestly expect us to be as stupid as you, and believe that shit? (Shit, shiite, what's the difference?)
"Modern day America has allot of blood on it's hands from it covert operations and hides behind an illusion of justice the US did not care about bringing peace to Iraq or the Middle East, it is simply about Oil and power."
Conspiracy theories about covert operations are for tinhat retards. You probably believ in UFOs and aliens as well. Stop watching "X-Files" reruns. Oil and power? Where's the oil we took? Why are gas prices higher than ever, you blindingly stupid ignoramus? Power? Why didn't we keep Iraq after we conquered it? That's what you koranimals do, not us. Why are we spending trillions of our hard earned dollars to build that country? Where are the tax dollars and tribute the Iraqis are forced to pay us "imperialists?" I understand that you're stupid, but even a dolt should be able to figure out that particular truth.
"It does not matter weather you are from the Jewish faith or a Muslim either Shia or Sunni neither Christian we all have the same message that was brought to us by Jesus , Abraham, Moses and the Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him to live a good life and that there is one God."
Wrong. Neither Christianity nor Judaism preach jihad, and allah the mythical moon deity is not God. God does not reward people for murder, rape, deceit, and stupidity. Muhammad piss be upon him in Hell was a prophet pretender and a child molester. An epileptic, diseased, lice-ridden, insane, goat fucking liar would never be chosen by God as a prophet. Muhomo was a pawn of Satan, who he claimed he spoke to.
"Why does Tony Blair support the US every time even when he believes it is wrong..it is simply Politics the UK cannot afford to not support the US it is all a game of politics. It has been 3 years and yet the allied forces cannot control Iraq yet Saddam managed it.."
Blair sacrificed his political career to aid America in the overthrow of Saddam,. Saddam controlled Iraq through murder and torture--is that what you want America to do? How many times do I have to point out how dumb you are?
"look to Africa and see what true Evil is happening and has happened their look to even eastern Europe yet why should you care it is just a land of poverty and no future bank roll nor black gold."
America cant solve all the world's evils at once, and Africans aren't the threat to world stability that Middle Easterners are. Americans are spending billions to aid Africans--how much are you koranimals spending? That's what I thought. Again, where's the black gold America is allegedly taking?
The only reason you're crying over Saddam is because he was a koranimal, and you know the same thing is in store for the Iranian mullahs and all the other islamopithecine terorists.
As an Oxford graduate, you sure have a hard time with the English language and logical debate. If you graduated from Oxford, it must be an even bigger joke than I thought it was. If Max Power knew you were British, he would have properly identified you as a sheep shagger, not a goat fucker. I'm sure you haven't touched a goat since you left Dubai.
Your lies and distortions concerning Saddam's flouting of the UN resolutions and the American Cease-fire were hilarious. I wish I had your superior education. Then I could defend Psuedostinian terrorists and their war to exterminate Israel.
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to laugh at your expense. Your comments were unintentionally hilarious, and I enjoyed belittling you. You aren't as stupid as the other koranimals commenting on this thread, but that isn't saying much. Only a retard could choose to be a muslime. Here's looking at you: sucking my dick!
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 03:24 PM (abVz3)
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Bad:
"...the rich people in Iraq are leaving by the droves, the poor, dont have the means too, and dont have jobs, so they get caught up in the Shia - Sunnahviolence."
Bullshit. Refugees have been returning to Iraq in record numbers. Far more have returned than have ever left. Try reading something besides moonbat propaganda. And yes, "insurgents" murdering innocent Iraqis and trying to destabilize the country are terrorists. Coalition soldiers are the most restrained that ever lived, along with the IDF. Your mayhem slander is fuck-all stupid.
Sending in more troops is what you moonbats used to demand Bush do. Now that he is, you complain about that. Your complaints are a joke.
Yes, Bush has trouble convincing people that Iraq is connected to "the war on terrorism," becuase 1/4 of the population is retarded.
Case in point.
"...the rich people in Iraq are leaving by the droves, the poor, dont have the means too, and dont have jobs, so they get caught up in the Shia - Sunnahviolence."
Bullshit. Refugees have been returning to Iraq in record numbers. Far more have returned than have ever left. Try reading something besides moonbat propaganda. And yes, "insurgents" murdering innocent Iraqis and trying to destabilize the country are terrorists. Coalition soldiers are the most restrained that ever lived, along with the IDF. Your mayhem slander is fuck-all stupid.
Sending in more troops is what you moonbats used to demand Bush do. Now that he is, you complain about that. Your complaints are a joke.
Yes, Bush has trouble convincing people that Iraq is connected to "the war on terrorism," becuase 1/4 of the population is retarded.
Case in point.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 03:36 PM (abVz3)
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Antony:
Now you're what a Brit is supposed to be. The British cunts who've been crying about Saddam on this thread don't deserve to live in your country, just like the American cunts don't deserve to live here.
Cheers.
Now you're what a Brit is supposed to be. The British cunts who've been crying about Saddam on this thread don't deserve to live in your country, just like the American cunts don't deserve to live here.
Cheers.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 03:39 PM (abVz3)
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It seems the laguage in these comments is getting worse by the minute. Now boys settle down. PG13 remember?
Posted by: Darth Odie at January 02, 2007 03:41 PM (YdcZ0)
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Salma:
Saddam is burning in Hell with the prophet pretender Muhammad (piss be upon her.) They are being used as the 72 virgins for Satan's demons. Since there are only 2 of them instead of 72, those demons are going to be busy *&^%&*%^% them for a looooooong time.
Islam is for animals. That's why you're known as koranimals. I hope you enjoyed the video, sweetheart.
Saddam is burning in Hell with the prophet pretender Muhammad (piss be upon her.) They are being used as the 72 virgins for Satan's demons. Since there are only 2 of them instead of 72, those demons are going to be busy *&^%&*%^% them for a looooooong time.
Islam is for animals. That's why you're known as koranimals. I hope you enjoyed the video, sweetheart.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 03:48 PM (abVz3)
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I'm Just Glad I Live In Australia:
Great comment. I like Australians, and it pisses me off to read about police stations being attacked, riots at the beach, rising crime rates, gang rapes, and all the other things the islamopithecines are doing to your beautiful and unique country.
I assume Mrs OFF and her daughters were real dogs, because one bit the musdog in the foot. The thought of a koranimal losing his foot to an infection from a bite is hilarious. Muzzies are terrified of dogs, don't you know.
Thanks for making my day.
Great comment. I like Australians, and it pisses me off to read about police stations being attacked, riots at the beach, rising crime rates, gang rapes, and all the other things the islamopithecines are doing to your beautiful and unique country.
I assume Mrs OFF and her daughters were real dogs, because one bit the musdog in the foot. The thought of a koranimal losing his foot to an infection from a bite is hilarious. Muzzies are terrified of dogs, don't you know.
Thanks for making my day.
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Glad in Australia:
I reread your comment and I assume Mrs OFF is your wife and her daughters are doggies. I'm pretty sure no person would bite someone's foot.
I reread your comment and I assume Mrs OFF is your wife and her daughters are doggies. I'm pretty sure no person would bite someone's foot.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 04:03 PM (abVz3)
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Hi Jeff,
Thanks for your reply.
To set things straight,
MRS OFF is a hyphenated name. Her full name is MRS Sawn-Off.
Her finger was a Barrel.
Her daughter was made of lead.
The disease was lead poisoning.
The only dog / dogs there at the time were inbred, you know, kissing cousins and so forth.
Long live the WESTERN WORLD and the FREEDOM it provides us.
Happy New Year!
Thanks for your reply.
To set things straight,
MRS OFF is a hyphenated name. Her full name is MRS Sawn-Off.
Her finger was a Barrel.
Her daughter was made of lead.
The disease was lead poisoning.
The only dog / dogs there at the time were inbred, you know, kissing cousins and so forth.
Long live the WESTERN WORLD and the FREEDOM it provides us.
Happy New Year!
Posted by: I'm just glad I live in Australia at January 02, 2007 04:28 PM (U8Doj)
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I'd like to know where you guys get your information from. Have you been there to know that the sectarian violence is limited to a few key areas? Have you talked to the Iraqi people to know that they want us to stay there? Just wondering. What you see and read is a lot different then what you experience first hand.
Posted by: Sally Stole the Football Bat at January 02, 2007 04:50 PM (eVnv8)
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i hate USA. I'd Better hanged every man in this god-damned country.
Posted by: Octavian at January 02, 2007 04:53 PM (1KTGu)
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i hate USA. I'd Better hanged every man in this god-damned country.
Posted by: Octavian at January 02, 2007 04:53 PM (1KTGu)
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You all stupi-d.
I hate USA. Hate this stupid country of morons and fatguys. I'd better hanged every man in this god-damn country.
I hate USA. Hate this stupid country of morons and fatguys. I'd better hanged every man in this god-damn country.
Posted by: Octavian at January 02, 2007 04:56 PM (1KTGu)
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I have never ever read more ignorant and disturbing comments. I love how us Americans blindly follow everything just based on the fact that we are American. Do you even know WHY we went to war? Did you know we have NO legitimate reason to have gone into Iraq? That our beloved troops are fighting and dying in a war based on lies by our very own democracy spreading government. Who here looked that up? Im not sitting here thinking up conspiracies. It's just very obvious to see it when u look at the situation objectively. Saddam deservied to die for crimes against humanity. To sit here and mock religions and races makes you exactly the opposite of who you claim to be. Wheres your equality? Aren't you glad Saddam died because of what he did to Iraq? Isn't that why we're there... to spread democracy? Yet you mock Arabs and Muslims. Read the Quran and find out what Islam is about, and then go beyond that and look how many people in the world are actually muslim. Then compare the percent of "muslim" terrorists to how many there are. Further, open your eyes, there are 6 billion people in this world..You are really not the most important. So while you sit here and mock peoples' suffering, don't question why they hate you.
Posted by: Disgusted at January 02, 2007 05:05 PM (lqltP)
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A guy saying above in the comments "Free Iraq and USA"??? After Americans coming to Iraq, 60 people and 2-3 Americans on average die per day in Iraq, and for your kind information USA isn't the safe place any more. Thanks to bush policies... Do not stick your nose in the matters of others... Now Americans says "We're running out of Iraq with our hands covering our butts". Jeff read about Islam before you say anything, Islam NOT MUSLIMS, there's big difference between Islam and Muslims now a days...
Posted by: Adil at January 02, 2007 05:05 PM (G1bat)
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Stink Shower:
Even on a thread brimming with morons, you stand out. The Vietnamese "military" was a joke. I assume you mean the ARVN army and the Viet Cong. America won every single battle it fought. Every. Single. One. After the disastrous (for them,) Tet Offensive, the Viet Cong were annihillated, and never proved a threat again. 1 million of them were killed--the entire attacking force. Even after America was forced to withdraw by your leftard forebears, the North Vietnamese coudln't take the South. It wasn't until the Democrats (natch,) in Congress withdrew the promised funds and weaponry to the South that the Soviet armed north was able to conquer it. The commies then proceeded to murder 3 million people, mostly civilians, and disposses countless more.
There are no insurgents in Iraq. There is no rebel iraqi army fighting the legitimate government. only terrorists murdering Iraqis who dared to vote for a representative governmen, or work as teachers, doctors, or policemen.
And the AIPAC slander comes out! Dem Jooos are responsible for all the wars in the world! The oldest gutter slander on Earth, and retards like you still spew it with pride. What a stupid f**king bitch you are.
Please provide some proof that the Chinese army isn't a joke. That should be good for a laugh, even amongst the hilariously stupid comments flying around here. It's hard to believe another human being can be as stupid as you are. Leftopithecines are just as dumb as islamopithecines.
Even on a thread brimming with morons, you stand out. The Vietnamese "military" was a joke. I assume you mean the ARVN army and the Viet Cong. America won every single battle it fought. Every. Single. One. After the disastrous (for them,) Tet Offensive, the Viet Cong were annihillated, and never proved a threat again. 1 million of them were killed--the entire attacking force. Even after America was forced to withdraw by your leftard forebears, the North Vietnamese coudln't take the South. It wasn't until the Democrats (natch,) in Congress withdrew the promised funds and weaponry to the South that the Soviet armed north was able to conquer it. The commies then proceeded to murder 3 million people, mostly civilians, and disposses countless more.
There are no insurgents in Iraq. There is no rebel iraqi army fighting the legitimate government. only terrorists murdering Iraqis who dared to vote for a representative governmen, or work as teachers, doctors, or policemen.
And the AIPAC slander comes out! Dem Jooos are responsible for all the wars in the world! The oldest gutter slander on Earth, and retards like you still spew it with pride. What a stupid f**king bitch you are.
Please provide some proof that the Chinese army isn't a joke. That should be good for a laugh, even amongst the hilariously stupid comments flying around here. It's hard to believe another human being can be as stupid as you are. Leftopithecines are just as dumb as islamopithecines.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 05:08 PM (abVz3)
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TO "JESUSLAND" CARLITOS :
I am sorry Carlitos, I didnt know you were so sensitive about your nationality, I didnt realized your ancestry goes back so far in time, that explains it. The only thing that it is strange why to bother keeping the culture, ( like your name ), if you are not latin american anylonger?. Anyway, I see it is pointless talking about it since you are "truly" american. By the way, yes, I do live under american boots, like the rest of the world does, but I am not indian, actually my mother and father are both born in Spain, but I was born in Latin America, and have travel through our continent, USA, and Europe, so I have a very much first hand idea of what I am talking about.
By the way, WE ARE ALL AMERICANS, SINCE WE SHARE THE SAME CONTINENT, YOU ARE UNITED STATESERS, thats a different thing.
On the other hand, not for you anymore Carlos, Jeff guy is right , THIS WORLD WOULD BE A BETTER PLACE WITHOUT THE DEGENERATION THAT HOMOSEXUALITY BRINGS.
I am sorry Carlitos, I didnt know you were so sensitive about your nationality, I didnt realized your ancestry goes back so far in time, that explains it. The only thing that it is strange why to bother keeping the culture, ( like your name ), if you are not latin american anylonger?. Anyway, I see it is pointless talking about it since you are "truly" american. By the way, yes, I do live under american boots, like the rest of the world does, but I am not indian, actually my mother and father are both born in Spain, but I was born in Latin America, and have travel through our continent, USA, and Europe, so I have a very much first hand idea of what I am talking about.
By the way, WE ARE ALL AMERICANS, SINCE WE SHARE THE SAME CONTINENT, YOU ARE UNITED STATESERS, thats a different thing.
On the other hand, not for you anymore Carlos, Jeff guy is right , THIS WORLD WOULD BE A BETTER PLACE WITHOUT THE DEGENERATION THAT HOMOSEXUALITY BRINGS.
Posted by: EL MONJE at January 02, 2007 05:33 PM (lMJrx)
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Johnny:
It wasn't the CIA that faked Saddam's death, it was BUSH (Bush Undercover Spy Headquarters.) They're monitoring your e-mails and comments right now! They know you spank it to the porn sites, and they're coming to get you. If they catch you, you'll have to live out your days in a safe house eating peanut butter and banana sandwiches with Saddam, Elvis and Jimmy hoffa.
It wasn't the CIA that faked Saddam's death, it was BUSH (Bush Undercover Spy Headquarters.) They're monitoring your e-mails and comments right now! They know you spank it to the porn sites, and they're coming to get you. If they catch you, you'll have to live out your days in a safe house eating peanut butter and banana sandwiches with Saddam, Elvis and Jimmy hoffa.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 05:53 PM (abVz3)
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I don't think anyone realizes how serious this is: I am no supporter of Hussein, but now that this video is out, there are many supporters of him who are pissed: this vid. makes him out to be a Martyr
Posted by: concerned at January 02, 2007 06:13 PM (0aphf)
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I am glad the Christmas spirit has stayed with the majority of the posters! The death of any living thing should not be celebrated. Hussein was not an angel but look at what has happened to that country after our rush to find WMD. Maybe Bush should have been tried with him for the deaths of our service men and the 300,000 Iraqi killed since we had to go there "before a mushroom cloud was hanging over America." I note that now the two MOST crazy countries (North Korea and Iran) have nuclear weapons on Bush's watch.
Posted by: Asw at January 02, 2007 06:27 PM (TvUJ0)
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saddam though should have been sentenced to death was unfairly treated especially in trial, a hanging is so primitive!
the world took a giant step back. no justice was served here! how are we any better then this man to let something like that happen?
ill pray to God that ppl like Bush and especially Bush himself will come out of power. the world will remain one f'ed up place until then.
the world took a giant step back. no justice was served here! how are we any better then this man to let something like that happen?
ill pray to God that ppl like Bush and especially Bush himself will come out of power. the world will remain one f'ed up place until then.
Posted by: tammy at January 02, 2007 06:28 PM (QkmdV)
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Where is the hanging of Sharon? Bush? Blair? who (get their armies to) kill millions of innocent people (mostly muslims)in Afghanistan, Palestine, Chechnya. They just make their excuses and get away with it. Where the F### were the WMD the Americans were after? They searched up and down (and killed millions in between) but walked out like dike faces cuz they never found anything. Where is Osama Bin Laden, the guy they were searching (and killed a million as well) for in Afghanistan??? Lets not get carried away, watch the video and laugh now, torment in Hell is awaiting all the rejectors of Islam, and this hanging is a walk in the park compared to what awaits your fate. Read up on the religion with an open mind. Islam is the true religion, and anyone who accepts There is no God but Allah, and Muhammed (pbuh) is the messenger of Allah, shall secure his/her place in paradise. This life is just a test, we make our destiny in this life for the Hereafter (Eternal life). Allahu Akbar (Allah is the Greatest).
Posted by: muslim at January 02, 2007 06:30 PM (u0/hV)
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u guyz are a bounch of idiotz...is this the way to end terrorisz.....by executing one of their leaderz whats bush gonna do when is followers retaliate for killing saddam.....ohh yeah i forgot he's probably gonna kill some more muslim TERRORIST leaderz yeah right...geaorge bush is nothing but another TERRORIST....good example bush good example
Posted by: dunbazz at January 02, 2007 06:34 PM (JJCcq)
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to muslim
there are many religions!
i dont feel that my spot is garunteed by believing in allah solely. open your mind a little perhaps?
there are many religions!
i dont feel that my spot is garunteed by believing in allah solely. open your mind a little perhaps?
Posted by: tammy at January 02, 2007 06:34 PM (QkmdV)
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arse shit fuck cunt wank piss poo tit bum toss queer islamopithecine koranimal muslime ...
There, I think I've summarised Jeffs contribution.
Oh, by the way, I'm British. So obviously my teeth are at right angles to each other, my arse is full of semen from our inbred royals, I've never won a war without American help and my mum got shagged by a US Marine in the 40's ... hopefully I've saved Jeff having to post his usual reply.
Saddam's gone, but in a few years time another regime that the US/UK/Western 'civilised' world has loaded up with various weapons will decide it wants to go off in a different direction and will bite the hand that armed it.
Or maybe some of us will be gone by then - there's an awful lots of missing nuke elements which I really fear will end up on one of my streets. So, if you follow a religion, pray to it that that doesn't happen as otherwise it won't matter one way or the other to an awful lot of people.
There, I think I've summarised Jeffs contribution.
Oh, by the way, I'm British. So obviously my teeth are at right angles to each other, my arse is full of semen from our inbred royals, I've never won a war without American help and my mum got shagged by a US Marine in the 40's ... hopefully I've saved Jeff having to post his usual reply.
Saddam's gone, but in a few years time another regime that the US/UK/Western 'civilised' world has loaded up with various weapons will decide it wants to go off in a different direction and will bite the hand that armed it.
Or maybe some of us will be gone by then - there's an awful lots of missing nuke elements which I really fear will end up on one of my streets. So, if you follow a religion, pray to it that that doesn't happen as otherwise it won't matter one way or the other to an awful lot of people.
Posted by: UKBoi at January 02, 2007 06:40 PM (pRM2C)
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Sally Humped The Football Bat:
I have friends working for the reconstruction effort. There's a reason you don't hear about violence in the kurdish north and most other areas. The violence is limited mainly to Baghdad and saddam's home town of tikrit. Fallujah used to be the worst, but the Marines turned into a terrorist ghost town.
The government of Iraq pleads for America to stay there until they can handle things themselves quite publicly, and so do the people.
What you see and read in the Establishment Media is a lot different then what you experience first hand. Just read the AP or look at a Reuters photo.
If you think bloggers like Michael Yon are wrong or lying, you're fooling yourself.
I have friends working for the reconstruction effort. There's a reason you don't hear about violence in the kurdish north and most other areas. The violence is limited mainly to Baghdad and saddam's home town of tikrit. Fallujah used to be the worst, but the Marines turned into a terrorist ghost town.
The government of Iraq pleads for America to stay there until they can handle things themselves quite publicly, and so do the people.
What you see and read in the Establishment Media is a lot different then what you experience first hand. Just read the AP or look at a Reuters photo.
If you think bloggers like Michael Yon are wrong or lying, you're fooling yourself.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 06:41 PM (abVz3)
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You know Jeff, You've made alot of referencing to people sucking your dick. It makes me wonder. Maybe you actually are a cruel, pissed off, radically foolish and ignorant republican who just wants some guy to give him a blow job?
Maybe try to take peoples opinion in consideration instead being a royal pain in the ass, ignorant, bastard.
Maybe try to take peoples opinion in consideration instead being a royal pain in the ass, ignorant, bastard.
Posted by: Kyle at January 02, 2007 06:41 PM (Lxfxh)
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You are all terrorists. The war beginn end will never end before all terrorists are killed. The world should be live in peace not in war.
Posted by: Jesus at January 02, 2007 06:42 PM (KBZSq)
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Right on Rob(12-30-06)nassar should go do with himself what hermaprhodites do, ya know what I mean? Im assuming he couldnt finish spelling Colon Powell so he left it as CO. probably due to all that camel #%&* he's been smoking. whata ya expect from a putz who's first name is spelled with an ASS in the middle of it.
oh yeah, and to this potato pete guy who's comment was ," enjoy your snuff film perverts"
what can we say potato pete, or is that PP for short, takes one to know one!
oh yeah, and to this potato pete guy who's comment was ," enjoy your snuff film perverts"
what can we say potato pete, or is that PP for short, takes one to know one!
Posted by: the sam at January 02, 2007 06:55 PM (Lgn8E)
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Tammy and All,
Your choice. But please read up on Islam. The day of judgement is nearing us. The signs of the day are listed below. one could say these are made up, but keep an eye on the one's listed for the present and future, and spot how many you've recently come across (earthquakes incresing??) or will come across during your remaining life:
Past
1. Splitting of the Moon.
2. Death of the Prophet Muhammad, may Allah bless him and grant him peace.
3. A form of death which will kill thousands of Muslims. (Understood to refer to the plague of Amwas during the
caliphate of ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab.)
4. A major fighting in Madinah (understood to refer to the battle of al-Harrah during the caliphate of Yazid, 63 AH).
5. The Muslim conquest of Jerusalem.
6. The Muslim conquest of Constantinople.
7. Two large groups of Muslims will fight in war.
8. A war between the Muslims and a reddish people with small eyes, wearing sandals made of hair (understood to refer to
the Mongol Tatar invasion of the Islamic lands.)
9. A peace agreement between the Muslims and non-Muslims from the yellow race (Chinese, Mongols, etc.)
10. Thirty impostors (dajjal) will appear, each thinking he is a prophet.
Present?
11. Naked, destitute, barefoot shepherds will compete in building tall buildings.
12. The slave-woman will give birth to her master or mistress.
13. A trial (fitnah) which will enter every Arab household.
14. Knowledge will be taken away (by the death of people of knowledge), and ignorance will prevail.
15. Wine (intoxicants, alcohol) will be drunk in great quantities.
16. Illegal sexual intercourse will become widespread.
17. Earthquakes will increase.
18. Time will pass more quickly.
19. Tribulations (fitan) will prevail.
20. Bloodshed will increase.
21. A man will pass by the grave of another and wish he was in the latter’s place.
22. Trustworthiness will be lost, i.e. when authority is given to those who do not deserve it.
23. People will gather for prayer, but will be unable to find an imam to lead them.
Future
24. The number of men will decrease, whilst the number of women will increase, until for every man there are 50 women.
25. The Euphrates will reveal a treasure of gold, and many will die fighting over it, each one hoping to be the one who gains
the treasure.
26. The Romans (Europeans) will come to a place called A’maq or Wabiq, and an army of the best people will go forth from Madinah to face them.
27. The Muslim conquest of Rome.
28. The Mahdi (guided one) will appear, and be the Imam of the Muslims.
29. Jesus Christ will descend in Damascus, and pray behind the Mahdi.
30. Jesus will break the cross and kill the swine, i.e. destroy the false christianity.
31. The Antichrist (al-masih al-dajjal, the false christ) will appear, with all his tools of deception, and be an immense trial. He will be followed by 70,000 Jews from Isfahan (present-day Iran).
32. The appearance of Ya’juj and Ma’juj (Gog and Magog), and the associated tribulations.
33. The emergence of the Beast from the Earth, carrying the Staff of Moses and the Seal of Solomon, who will speak to the people, telling them they did not believe with certainty in the Divine Signs.
34. A major war between the Muslims (including Jews and Christians who truly believe in Jesus after his return) led by the Imam Mahdi, and the Jews plus other non-Muslims led by the Antichrist.
35. Jesus will kill the Antichrist at the gate of Ludd (Lod in present-day Israel, site of an airport and a major Israeli military base).
36. A time of great peace and serenity during and after the remaining lifetime of Jesus.
37. Wealth will come so abundant that it will become difficult to find someone to accept charity.
38. Arabia will become a land of gardens and rivers.
39. Society will then decay.
40. The buttocks of the women of the tribe of Daws will again sway in circumambulation (tawaf) around the idol Dhul-Khulsah.
41. A great fire in the Hijaz, seen by the inhabitants of Busra.
42. Three major armies will sink into the earth: one in the east, one in the west, one in Arabia.
43. An Abyssinian leader with thin shins will destroy the Ka’bah.
44. The huge cloud of smoke.
45. The sun will rise from the west (its place of setting).
46. A gentle wind which will take the souls of the believers.
47. There is no-one left on the earth saying, "Allah, Allah" or "There is no god except Allah."
48. Eventually the Day of Judgment is established upon the worst of the people, who copulate like donkeys in public.
49. The blowing in the Trumpet by the Angel Israfil, upon which everyone will faint except as Allah wills.
50. The second blowing in the Trumpet, upon which everyone will be
As death approaches the wicked disbeliever, he is made to feel something of the heat of the Hellfire. This taste of what is to come causes him to plead for a second chance on earth to do the good he knew he should have done. Alas! His pleading will be in vain.
“Until, when death comes to one of them, he says: ‘O my Lord. Send me back to life (on earth) in order that I may do good deeds in the things that I neglected.’ By no means! It is only an utterance that he says. And before them is a barrier (preventing them from returning: the life of the grave) until the Day (of Resurrection) they are ressurected.†(Quran 23:99-100)
Divine wrath and punishment is conveyed to the wicked soul by hideously ugly, dark angels who sit far away from it:
“Receive glad tidings of boiling water, wound discharge, and multiple, similar torments.†(Ibn Majah, Ibn Katheer)
The disbelieving soul will not look forward to meeting its Lord God, as the Prophet explained:
“When the time of the death of a disbeliever approaches, he receives the evil news of God’s torment and His Requital, whereupon nothing is more hateful to him than what is before him. Therefore, he hates the meeting with God, and God too, hates the meeting with him.†(Saheeh Al-Bukhari)
The Prophet also said:
“Whoever loves to meet God, God loves to meet him, and whoever hates to meet God, God hates to meet him.†(Saheeh Al-Bukhari)
The Angel of Death sits at the head of the disbeliever in his grave and says: “Wicked soul, come out to the displeasure of Allah†as he snatches the soul out of the body.
“And if you could but see when the wrongdoers are in the overwhelming pangs of death while the angels extend their hands, saying, ‘Discharge your souls! Today you will be awarded the punishment of extreme humiliation for what you used to say against God other than the truth, and that you were, toward His verses, being arrogant.†(Quran 6:93)
“And if you could not see when the angels take the souls of those who disbelieved… striking their faces and their backs and saying, ‘Taste the punishment of the Blazing Fire.’†(Quran 8:50)
The evil soul leaves the body with great difficulty, drawn out by the angels as a thronged skewer is dragged through wet wool.[1] The Angel of Death then seizes the soul and puts it in a sack woven from hair which gives off a putrid stench, as foul and offensive as the most foul-smelling rotting corpse found on earth. The angels then take the soul up past another company of angels who inquire: “Who is this wicked soul?†to which they reply: “So and so, the son of so and so?†- using the very worst of names that he was ever called during his time on earth. Then, when he is brought to the lowest heaven, a request is made that its gate be opened for him, but the request is denied. Whilst the Prophet was describing these events, when he reached this point, he recited:
“The gates of heaven will not be opened for them and they will not enter paradise until a camel can pass through the eye of a needle.†(Quran 7:40)
God will say: “Record his book in Sijjeen in the lowest earth.â€
…and his soul is cast down. At this juncture, the Prophet, may God praise him, recited:
“He who assigns partners to Allah is as if he had fallen down from heaven and been snatched up by the birds, or made to fall by the wind in a place far distant.†(Quran 31:22)
The wicked soul is then restored to its body and the two fearsome, dread-inspiring angels, Munkar and Nakeer, come to it for its interrogation. After making him sit up, they ask:
Munkar and Nakeer: “Who is your Lord?â€
Disbelieving soul: “Alas, alas, I do not know.â€
Munkar and Nakeer: “What is your religion?â€
Believing soul: “Alas, alas, I do not know.â€
Munkar and Nakeer: “What do you say about this man (Muhammad) sent to you?â€
Believing soul: “Alas, alas I do not know.â€
Having failed his test, the disbeliever’s head will be struck with an iron hammer with a force so violent that it would crumble a mountain. The cry will be heard from heaven: “He has lied, so spread out carpets of Hell for him, and open for him a portal into Hell.â€[2] The floor of his grave is thus set alight with some of Hell’s fierce fire, and his grave is made narrow and constricted to the extent that his ribs become intertwined as his body is crushed.[3] Then, an incredibly ugly being, wearing ugly garments and giving off a foul and offensive odor comes to the disbelieving soul and says: “Be grieved with what displeases you, for this is your day which you have been promised.†The disbeliever will ask: “Who are you, with your face so ugly and bringing evil?†The ugly one will reply: “l am your wicked deeds!†The disbeliever is then made to taste bitter remorse as he is shown what would have been his abode in Paradise - had he lived a righteous life - before a portal is opened for him every morning and evening showing him his actual home in Hell.[4] Allah mentions in His Book how the wicked people of Pharaoh are, at this very moment, suffering from such an exposure to Hell from within their graves:
“The Fire: they are exposed to it, morning and afternoon, and on the Day when the Hour will be established (it will be said to the angels): ‘(Now) cause Pharaoh’s people to enter the severest torment!’†(Quran 40:46)
Overcome with fear and loathing, anxiety and despair, the disbeliever in his grave will keep asking: “My Lord, do not bring the last hour. Do not bring the last hour.â€
The Companion, Zaid b. Thabit, narrated how, when the Prophet Muhammad and his Companions were once passing some graves of polytheists, the Prophet’s horse bolted and almost unseated him. The Prophet, may God praise him, then said:
“These people are being tortured in their graves, and were it not that you would stop burying your dead, I would ask God to let you hear the punishment in the grave which I (and this horse) can hear.†(Saheeh Muslim)
Your choice. But please read up on Islam. The day of judgement is nearing us. The signs of the day are listed below. one could say these are made up, but keep an eye on the one's listed for the present and future, and spot how many you've recently come across (earthquakes incresing??) or will come across during your remaining life:
Past
1. Splitting of the Moon.
2. Death of the Prophet Muhammad, may Allah bless him and grant him peace.
3. A form of death which will kill thousands of Muslims. (Understood to refer to the plague of Amwas during the
caliphate of ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab.)
4. A major fighting in Madinah (understood to refer to the battle of al-Harrah during the caliphate of Yazid, 63 AH).
5. The Muslim conquest of Jerusalem.
6. The Muslim conquest of Constantinople.
7. Two large groups of Muslims will fight in war.
8. A war between the Muslims and a reddish people with small eyes, wearing sandals made of hair (understood to refer to
the Mongol Tatar invasion of the Islamic lands.)
9. A peace agreement between the Muslims and non-Muslims from the yellow race (Chinese, Mongols, etc.)
10. Thirty impostors (dajjal) will appear, each thinking he is a prophet.
Present?
11. Naked, destitute, barefoot shepherds will compete in building tall buildings.
12. The slave-woman will give birth to her master or mistress.
13. A trial (fitnah) which will enter every Arab household.
14. Knowledge will be taken away (by the death of people of knowledge), and ignorance will prevail.
15. Wine (intoxicants, alcohol) will be drunk in great quantities.
16. Illegal sexual intercourse will become widespread.
17. Earthquakes will increase.
18. Time will pass more quickly.
19. Tribulations (fitan) will prevail.
20. Bloodshed will increase.
21. A man will pass by the grave of another and wish he was in the latter’s place.
22. Trustworthiness will be lost, i.e. when authority is given to those who do not deserve it.
23. People will gather for prayer, but will be unable to find an imam to lead them.
Future
24. The number of men will decrease, whilst the number of women will increase, until for every man there are 50 women.
25. The Euphrates will reveal a treasure of gold, and many will die fighting over it, each one hoping to be the one who gains
the treasure.
26. The Romans (Europeans) will come to a place called A’maq or Wabiq, and an army of the best people will go forth from Madinah to face them.
27. The Muslim conquest of Rome.
28. The Mahdi (guided one) will appear, and be the Imam of the Muslims.
29. Jesus Christ will descend in Damascus, and pray behind the Mahdi.
30. Jesus will break the cross and kill the swine, i.e. destroy the false christianity.
31. The Antichrist (al-masih al-dajjal, the false christ) will appear, with all his tools of deception, and be an immense trial. He will be followed by 70,000 Jews from Isfahan (present-day Iran).
32. The appearance of Ya’juj and Ma’juj (Gog and Magog), and the associated tribulations.
33. The emergence of the Beast from the Earth, carrying the Staff of Moses and the Seal of Solomon, who will speak to the people, telling them they did not believe with certainty in the Divine Signs.
34. A major war between the Muslims (including Jews and Christians who truly believe in Jesus after his return) led by the Imam Mahdi, and the Jews plus other non-Muslims led by the Antichrist.
35. Jesus will kill the Antichrist at the gate of Ludd (Lod in present-day Israel, site of an airport and a major Israeli military base).
36. A time of great peace and serenity during and after the remaining lifetime of Jesus.
37. Wealth will come so abundant that it will become difficult to find someone to accept charity.
38. Arabia will become a land of gardens and rivers.
39. Society will then decay.
40. The buttocks of the women of the tribe of Daws will again sway in circumambulation (tawaf) around the idol Dhul-Khulsah.
41. A great fire in the Hijaz, seen by the inhabitants of Busra.
42. Three major armies will sink into the earth: one in the east, one in the west, one in Arabia.
43. An Abyssinian leader with thin shins will destroy the Ka’bah.
44. The huge cloud of smoke.
45. The sun will rise from the west (its place of setting).
46. A gentle wind which will take the souls of the believers.
47. There is no-one left on the earth saying, "Allah, Allah" or "There is no god except Allah."
48. Eventually the Day of Judgment is established upon the worst of the people, who copulate like donkeys in public.
49. The blowing in the Trumpet by the Angel Israfil, upon which everyone will faint except as Allah wills.
50. The second blowing in the Trumpet, upon which everyone will be
As death approaches the wicked disbeliever, he is made to feel something of the heat of the Hellfire. This taste of what is to come causes him to plead for a second chance on earth to do the good he knew he should have done. Alas! His pleading will be in vain.
“Until, when death comes to one of them, he says: ‘O my Lord. Send me back to life (on earth) in order that I may do good deeds in the things that I neglected.’ By no means! It is only an utterance that he says. And before them is a barrier (preventing them from returning: the life of the grave) until the Day (of Resurrection) they are ressurected.†(Quran 23:99-100)
Divine wrath and punishment is conveyed to the wicked soul by hideously ugly, dark angels who sit far away from it:
“Receive glad tidings of boiling water, wound discharge, and multiple, similar torments.†(Ibn Majah, Ibn Katheer)
The disbelieving soul will not look forward to meeting its Lord God, as the Prophet explained:
“When the time of the death of a disbeliever approaches, he receives the evil news of God’s torment and His Requital, whereupon nothing is more hateful to him than what is before him. Therefore, he hates the meeting with God, and God too, hates the meeting with him.†(Saheeh Al-Bukhari)
The Prophet also said:
“Whoever loves to meet God, God loves to meet him, and whoever hates to meet God, God hates to meet him.†(Saheeh Al-Bukhari)
The Angel of Death sits at the head of the disbeliever in his grave and says: “Wicked soul, come out to the displeasure of Allah†as he snatches the soul out of the body.
“And if you could but see when the wrongdoers are in the overwhelming pangs of death while the angels extend their hands, saying, ‘Discharge your souls! Today you will be awarded the punishment of extreme humiliation for what you used to say against God other than the truth, and that you were, toward His verses, being arrogant.†(Quran 6:93)
“And if you could not see when the angels take the souls of those who disbelieved… striking their faces and their backs and saying, ‘Taste the punishment of the Blazing Fire.’†(Quran 8:50)
The evil soul leaves the body with great difficulty, drawn out by the angels as a thronged skewer is dragged through wet wool.[1] The Angel of Death then seizes the soul and puts it in a sack woven from hair which gives off a putrid stench, as foul and offensive as the most foul-smelling rotting corpse found on earth. The angels then take the soul up past another company of angels who inquire: “Who is this wicked soul?†to which they reply: “So and so, the son of so and so?†- using the very worst of names that he was ever called during his time on earth. Then, when he is brought to the lowest heaven, a request is made that its gate be opened for him, but the request is denied. Whilst the Prophet was describing these events, when he reached this point, he recited:
“The gates of heaven will not be opened for them and they will not enter paradise until a camel can pass through the eye of a needle.†(Quran 7:40)
God will say: “Record his book in Sijjeen in the lowest earth.â€
…and his soul is cast down. At this juncture, the Prophet, may God praise him, recited:
“He who assigns partners to Allah is as if he had fallen down from heaven and been snatched up by the birds, or made to fall by the wind in a place far distant.†(Quran 31:22)
The wicked soul is then restored to its body and the two fearsome, dread-inspiring angels, Munkar and Nakeer, come to it for its interrogation. After making him sit up, they ask:
Munkar and Nakeer: “Who is your Lord?â€
Disbelieving soul: “Alas, alas, I do not know.â€
Munkar and Nakeer: “What is your religion?â€
Believing soul: “Alas, alas, I do not know.â€
Munkar and Nakeer: “What do you say about this man (Muhammad) sent to you?â€
Believing soul: “Alas, alas I do not know.â€
Having failed his test, the disbeliever’s head will be struck with an iron hammer with a force so violent that it would crumble a mountain. The cry will be heard from heaven: “He has lied, so spread out carpets of Hell for him, and open for him a portal into Hell.â€[2] The floor of his grave is thus set alight with some of Hell’s fierce fire, and his grave is made narrow and constricted to the extent that his ribs become intertwined as his body is crushed.[3] Then, an incredibly ugly being, wearing ugly garments and giving off a foul and offensive odor comes to the disbelieving soul and says: “Be grieved with what displeases you, for this is your day which you have been promised.†The disbeliever will ask: “Who are you, with your face so ugly and bringing evil?†The ugly one will reply: “l am your wicked deeds!†The disbeliever is then made to taste bitter remorse as he is shown what would have been his abode in Paradise - had he lived a righteous life - before a portal is opened for him every morning and evening showing him his actual home in Hell.[4] Allah mentions in His Book how the wicked people of Pharaoh are, at this very moment, suffering from such an exposure to Hell from within their graves:
“The Fire: they are exposed to it, morning and afternoon, and on the Day when the Hour will be established (it will be said to the angels): ‘(Now) cause Pharaoh’s people to enter the severest torment!’†(Quran 40:46)
Overcome with fear and loathing, anxiety and despair, the disbeliever in his grave will keep asking: “My Lord, do not bring the last hour. Do not bring the last hour.â€
The Companion, Zaid b. Thabit, narrated how, when the Prophet Muhammad and his Companions were once passing some graves of polytheists, the Prophet’s horse bolted and almost unseated him. The Prophet, may God praise him, then said:
“These people are being tortured in their graves, and were it not that you would stop burying your dead, I would ask God to let you hear the punishment in the grave which I (and this horse) can hear.†(Saheeh Muslim)
Posted by: muslim at January 02, 2007 07:01 PM (u0/hV)
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hey jeff
you must be living sheltered live over there in Nebraska.It must be those tall corn stalk with the big husks that blocking your vision to the point you are blind and just dumb.You are only capable of using fowl and inappropriate language.
Are public schools that bad up in Nebraska or are you just a drop out. Are you not capable of recognizing that this is a forum to post opinions and comments about Saddam and the execution. Instead, you are using this forum to spew your hatred and dislike toward muslims and arabs in general.
Look,for once, in a mirror to see what I'm talking about and get your head around those big husks, you might be able to see sunlight.
you must be living sheltered live over there in Nebraska.It must be those tall corn stalk with the big husks that blocking your vision to the point you are blind and just dumb.You are only capable of using fowl and inappropriate language.
Are public schools that bad up in Nebraska or are you just a drop out. Are you not capable of recognizing that this is a forum to post opinions and comments about Saddam and the execution. Instead, you are using this forum to spew your hatred and dislike toward muslims and arabs in general.
Look,for once, in a mirror to see what I'm talking about and get your head around those big husks, you might be able to see sunlight.
Posted by: magic at January 02, 2007 07:13 PM (fyS1Y)
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Jeff is definitely from Redneck Street, Hill Billy land, Hicksville !!!!
Posted by: Lord Lagaan at January 02, 2007 07:14 PM (r54vp)
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SADDAM DESERVED IT. ABOUT TIME, THE VIDEO SUCKS, POOR QUALITY, WISH IT WAS CLEAR.ISLAM DOES NOT CONDONE VIOLENCE, SADDAM WAS NEVER A TRUE MUSLIM, HE IS A MURDERER, I HOPE THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ COULD COME TOGETHER AND LIVE PEACEFULLY. THIS SHOULD BE A LESSON FOR ALL DICTATORS IN THAT REGION WHO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE, WHETHER ON THEIR OWN OR STATE SPONSERED. MAY GOD BRING PEACE TO ALL HUMAN BEINGS!
Posted by: Arian Mohamed at January 02, 2007 07:31 PM (xIdvJ)
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There are SOME people in this country, that do terrible things (or blame others), to pass laws and legislations, that NO RED BLOODED AMERICAN WOULD EVER VOTE for. WAKE TH F- Up. "A MAN WHO WOULD SACRIFICE HIS FREEDOM FOR SECURITY DESERVES NEITHER." Ben Franklin
p.s. Do all of you feel safer now?
p.s. Do all of you feel safer now?
Posted by: Hater of all at January 02, 2007 07:35 PM (AK7S6)
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OK OSAMA...YOU'RE NEXT.................
Posted by: THE ENFORCER at January 02, 2007 07:36 PM (+ys3o)
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you freaks. Christ said "Do Not Kill." Period, End of Story, No Fine Print, No Exceptions. You're all so stupid you don't get the joke: you are as barbaric in your hearts as Saddam was. As cruel, as ignorant, as pathetic. A real mensch, like Christ, would forgive even Saddam. But you psychos are all the flip side of the Saddam coin. As long as there are people like you, there will be people like Saddam.
Posted by: James Edward Wilson at January 02, 2007 07:44 PM (D2oxm)
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Jeff,
Your defense of Leviticus resounds as the biggest pile of whore shit on this page. However, it stands out as your best argument set forth yet, which is, ummm...making my balls itch. So, I'll say a few words on that - not my balls you sick slut, on your comments!
Jeff wrote:
"The book of Leviticus did not order the ancient and extinct tribe of Leviticus or any other Hebrew tribe to kill people. It described tribal life, which was mainly governed by oral law. It’s a moot point because the 12 ancient tribes of Israel are extinct, they did not force their laws or religion on outsiders, and there is no Christian or Jewish practice of murder homos or anybody else today."
Ok, that was impressive, Jeff. Good boy! Hmmm...I think that this part shows off Jeff's genius: "It’s a moot point because the 12 ancient tribes of Israel are extinct." Ha ha ha! Dude! I can't fucking type right now! Ha ha ha!
Ok. I am back! Miss me, you naughty slut? So, Jeff, you Leviticus hermeneutician, moot point, eh? So, is democracy a moot point, too, because the sub-cultural formations from which its founding theorists descend are extinct? Well, no, but I suspect that you believe that logic and sound argument went extinct 2000 years ago. Ha ha ha! You slut!
When that preacher Fred Phelps (Wyoming) showed up at Matthew Shepard's funeral with a sign that read "GOD SAYS KILL FAGS," do you know what part of the bible he quoted? Jeff, you chemical vagina, you've got a lot of work ahead of you! Ha ha ha! Oh, one more thing: Christianity is what Christians do. Judaism is what Jews do. Likewise, Communism is what commies did. It's senseless to try to say "Well, mommy says the great book has been misinterpreted." Put on your diapers, Jeff, and don't be ashamed to jack-off to your neighbor’s barking Chiwawa – it's ok... MOOT! Ha ha ha!
Your defense of Leviticus resounds as the biggest pile of whore shit on this page. However, it stands out as your best argument set forth yet, which is, ummm...making my balls itch. So, I'll say a few words on that - not my balls you sick slut, on your comments!
Jeff wrote:
"The book of Leviticus did not order the ancient and extinct tribe of Leviticus or any other Hebrew tribe to kill people. It described tribal life, which was mainly governed by oral law. It’s a moot point because the 12 ancient tribes of Israel are extinct, they did not force their laws or religion on outsiders, and there is no Christian or Jewish practice of murder homos or anybody else today."
Ok, that was impressive, Jeff. Good boy! Hmmm...I think that this part shows off Jeff's genius: "It’s a moot point because the 12 ancient tribes of Israel are extinct." Ha ha ha! Dude! I can't fucking type right now! Ha ha ha!
Ok. I am back! Miss me, you naughty slut? So, Jeff, you Leviticus hermeneutician, moot point, eh? So, is democracy a moot point, too, because the sub-cultural formations from which its founding theorists descend are extinct? Well, no, but I suspect that you believe that logic and sound argument went extinct 2000 years ago. Ha ha ha! You slut!
When that preacher Fred Phelps (Wyoming) showed up at Matthew Shepard's funeral with a sign that read "GOD SAYS KILL FAGS," do you know what part of the bible he quoted? Jeff, you chemical vagina, you've got a lot of work ahead of you! Ha ha ha! Oh, one more thing: Christianity is what Christians do. Judaism is what Jews do. Likewise, Communism is what commies did. It's senseless to try to say "Well, mommy says the great book has been misinterpreted." Put on your diapers, Jeff, and don't be ashamed to jack-off to your neighbor’s barking Chiwawa – it's ok... MOOT! Ha ha ha!
Posted by: white at January 02, 2007 07:54 PM (AA/Rk)
Posted by: Howard at January 02, 2007 08:07 PM (AA/Rk)
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You are a bunch of perverts. No better than Saddam, but much worse. Shame be upon you iraqis shias. They need a strong dictator, cause they can't even rule themself, without killing eachother. Islamofacists and zionists.
Posted by: sakra at January 02, 2007 08:16 PM (LunWA)
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A missle or rocket can kill a hundred or a thousand people and everyone is bitchin about where are Saddams weapons of mass destruction? Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of people, HE WAS THE WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION. Weapons are useless unless you have a crazy person waiting to push the button. He got what he deserved, actually he got off easy.
Posted by: Matt at January 02, 2007 08:17 PM (isM9K)
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Andrew:
After reading your unhinged attacks, I regret witholding the abuse and swearing. Here's some abuse, just so you don't feel slighted.
Q: What's the difference between an Irish wedding and an Irish wake?
A: One less drunk.
*
Q: What's an Irish 7 course dinner?
A: A six pack and a potato.
*
Did you hear aboy the IRA bomber who tried to blow up a car? He burned his lips on the exhaust pipe.
*
Q: How do you tell the difference between a Mick and a monkey?
A: Smell their breath.
Now that that's out of the way, you cant expect me to take a comparison to White Trash seriously. Besides, the guy isn't really White, he's an anti-White racist.
"You are the very embodiment of the stereotypical ignorant yank that the rest of the world despises so much."
Actually, your comment is stereotypical of anti-American remarks. Inaccurate, obnoxious, and without merit. There is no valid reason for despising Americans, and anyone who does should be ashamed of themselves. Those who aren't ashamed, are shameless bigots and ignorant assholes. Envy isn't pretty, and it says more about the people who practice it than the people its directed at. I know you apologized for the redneck remarks, but that Anti-American envy is always simmering under the surface, isn't it? I've lived and worked with Brits and Irish, so I'm used to your misconceptions. They're all false, and all based on ignorance. It's a shame the Irish and Scots follow the English lead when it comes to something so despicable. (I've seen British tv too. What a cesspool of anti-American bigotry and stupidity. The BBC is worse than Al Jazeera. The real shit-holes of the world get a free pass, of course.)
"Someone else here has suggested that you are representative of mainstream American opinion.
God help us all if that is true. Your country would then be as much of a threat to the rest of us as the muslim terrorists are."
Like I mentioned before, I cant take claims that Americans are as big a threat as the koranimals seriously. Americans don't saw heads off on video, murder Jewish children in front of their families, blow up subways, or fly planes into buildings. Thanks for proving my point.
"Re-elect Bill Clinton. Your country might be saved if you do."
Carlos said it, not me. Clinton is the reason the jihadis thought America was weak. Bin Loser cited the cut n' run cowardice Clinton exhibited in Somalia as the reason he believed America was a "paper tiger." Well, he's cowering in a cave or dead because of his poor judgement, but the damage is done. Bubba also gutted our military, gave China critical missile technology to use against us, bombed Yugoslavia in service of Al Qaeda and the other terrorist separatists, and committed crime after crime. The Euros and the Third World loved him of course, because he weakened America and apologized for imagined crimes to every shit-stain country with a phony grievance.
If his harpy wife gets elected President, she will be even worse. She'll usher in the apocalypse, to the cheers of our enemies--which includes most of Eurabia, despite its ostensible ally status. Savvy Americans trust Eastern European countries more than most of the effete western ones. Countries like Poland remember what it's like to live under real imperialists, and they recognize America for what it is--the champion of the free world. If Britain ever decides to part ways, it will be to it's detriment, and not just for economic reasons. It will be spiritually and morally adrift.
"I think you have found a soul mate in el_mujahid_fayze.
Same mentality, you just happen to sit on opposite sides of the fence."
Do you see the hypocrisy in that statement, and the projection? Blind, stinking, irrational hatred of Americans and Jews is just a tad more obscene than hating terrorist scum.
"A lot of the ammunition (pardon the pun) that the muslim world uses against the west is propoganda developed from mistakes in US foreign policy."
Bullshit. None of their criticisms against American foreign policy are consistent, factual, or legitimate. It's not the mistakes they hate, because all of our mistakes benefit them. There is no excuse for terrorism. If we wipe them off the face of the Earth, they have nobody but themselves to blame.
"I am not alone in thinking that America wants to impose its will on the rest of the world in a simlar, but less extreme, way as the muslims do."
Thinking something doesn't make it so. The Chinese think drinking human urine is salubrious. Please list any countries forced to pay tribute to America, or countries that we have colonized. What you can name are hundreds of freeloading countries that benefit from our cash largess, and others that hide behind our military--like Europe did throughout the Cold War--while we work our asses off to foot the bill. (Something that isn't going to go on indefinitely.) Like I wrote before, America simply outperforms every other country. Don't expect us to apologize for it. The Old World has had thousands of years to get its act together. We're only a couple of hundred years old, and yet we've managed to eclipse the rest of the world utterly. We didn't get this way by being lazy, warlike, or imperialistic. We did it internally.
"Leaving the US and muslim worlds aside for the moment you will find very few people (including me) who disagree that Saddam was a monster.
Howevr you will find a great number of people that are confused as to the motives of the coalition for invading Iraq. Yes it is a given that Saddam need to be removed, it should have been done the first time around but there are obvious benifits for the west from the reserves of oil in the country.
If Iraq is left to govern itself and grow rich and its people prosper and have their lives enriched as a result of selling those reserves around the world it would be the best outcome."
You people are confused because you haven't learned to take President Bush at his word. You're all used to leaders who lie out their asses as a matter of policy, so you assume he does too. He stated his reasons for deposing Saddam before, during, and many times after the war. You people just refused to listen. You should try listening to what the man says, instead of what other people say about him.
As far as the oil goes, we obviously aren't taking it, but if we don't hand Iraq a bill for building their country, Bush isn't the man I think he is.
A rich Iraq is not a good outcome, but a prosperous Iraq that doesn't seek WMD, attack its nieghbors and foster terrorism is.
"Some people however are suspicious as to America and the coalitions motives - are they there in order to to be able to claim the lions share of that oil? Only time will tell."
Again with the oil. America has done the Lion's share of the work and the dying. If we hand Iraq a bill, it damn well better be for the lion's share of any reimbursement Iraq dispenses. We could have kept the oil fields if that was what we wanted. Saddam seized thenm from Western conglomerates, after all.
"I personally think that the next real world confict will arise from the battle to control the dwindling oil resources and China as it develops and needs ever greater volumes of the stuff will be right in the middle of it.
If it hasnt started already that is."
China is a joke. It has no oil of its own, which is why it's making a doomed play for Russia's Siberian fields. Not that they have the skill to tap it even if they were given the chance. Not even the Canadians can extract the vast reserves in their tundra profitably, and Canada is a competent country, except for its steady decline into bankrupt socialism. More than 90% of the Chinese cant afford to buy shoes. They sure as hell aren't going to be buying the world's oil. They cant seize it, either, because their military is likewise a joke.
Anti-Americanism is a mental disorder. Healthy people admire high achievers--they don't envy them. It's just not natural. It's like plain or ugly Western women who hate pretty women. It's just weird, and it doesn't happen in most of the world. Frankly, I look at the type of people who hate me for being American, and feel nothing but contempt.
Do you really want to be part of that crowd? Besides, A huge proportion of Americans are Irish. People actually like them over here. Can you say that about England or Scotland? France or Germany? Spain or Italy? I don't think so.
As far as the islamopithecines go, they hate everybody, including themselves. They are the scum of the Earth. Nobody else even comes close.
After reading your unhinged attacks, I regret witholding the abuse and swearing. Here's some abuse, just so you don't feel slighted.
Q: What's the difference between an Irish wedding and an Irish wake?
A: One less drunk.
*
Q: What's an Irish 7 course dinner?
A: A six pack and a potato.
*
Did you hear aboy the IRA bomber who tried to blow up a car? He burned his lips on the exhaust pipe.
*
Q: How do you tell the difference between a Mick and a monkey?
A: Smell their breath.
Now that that's out of the way, you cant expect me to take a comparison to White Trash seriously. Besides, the guy isn't really White, he's an anti-White racist.
"You are the very embodiment of the stereotypical ignorant yank that the rest of the world despises so much."
Actually, your comment is stereotypical of anti-American remarks. Inaccurate, obnoxious, and without merit. There is no valid reason for despising Americans, and anyone who does should be ashamed of themselves. Those who aren't ashamed, are shameless bigots and ignorant assholes. Envy isn't pretty, and it says more about the people who practice it than the people its directed at. I know you apologized for the redneck remarks, but that Anti-American envy is always simmering under the surface, isn't it? I've lived and worked with Brits and Irish, so I'm used to your misconceptions. They're all false, and all based on ignorance. It's a shame the Irish and Scots follow the English lead when it comes to something so despicable. (I've seen British tv too. What a cesspool of anti-American bigotry and stupidity. The BBC is worse than Al Jazeera. The real shit-holes of the world get a free pass, of course.)
"Someone else here has suggested that you are representative of mainstream American opinion.
God help us all if that is true. Your country would then be as much of a threat to the rest of us as the muslim terrorists are."
Like I mentioned before, I cant take claims that Americans are as big a threat as the koranimals seriously. Americans don't saw heads off on video, murder Jewish children in front of their families, blow up subways, or fly planes into buildings. Thanks for proving my point.
"Re-elect Bill Clinton. Your country might be saved if you do."
Carlos said it, not me. Clinton is the reason the jihadis thought America was weak. Bin Loser cited the cut n' run cowardice Clinton exhibited in Somalia as the reason he believed America was a "paper tiger." Well, he's cowering in a cave or dead because of his poor judgement, but the damage is done. Bubba also gutted our military, gave China critical missile technology to use against us, bombed Yugoslavia in service of Al Qaeda and the other terrorist separatists, and committed crime after crime. The Euros and the Third World loved him of course, because he weakened America and apologized for imagined crimes to every shit-stain country with a phony grievance.
If his harpy wife gets elected President, she will be even worse. She'll usher in the apocalypse, to the cheers of our enemies--which includes most of Eurabia, despite its ostensible ally status. Savvy Americans trust Eastern European countries more than most of the effete western ones. Countries like Poland remember what it's like to live under real imperialists, and they recognize America for what it is--the champion of the free world. If Britain ever decides to part ways, it will be to it's detriment, and not just for economic reasons. It will be spiritually and morally adrift.
"I think you have found a soul mate in el_mujahid_fayze.
Same mentality, you just happen to sit on opposite sides of the fence."
Do you see the hypocrisy in that statement, and the projection? Blind, stinking, irrational hatred of Americans and Jews is just a tad more obscene than hating terrorist scum.
"A lot of the ammunition (pardon the pun) that the muslim world uses against the west is propoganda developed from mistakes in US foreign policy."
Bullshit. None of their criticisms against American foreign policy are consistent, factual, or legitimate. It's not the mistakes they hate, because all of our mistakes benefit them. There is no excuse for terrorism. If we wipe them off the face of the Earth, they have nobody but themselves to blame.
"I am not alone in thinking that America wants to impose its will on the rest of the world in a simlar, but less extreme, way as the muslims do."
Thinking something doesn't make it so. The Chinese think drinking human urine is salubrious. Please list any countries forced to pay tribute to America, or countries that we have colonized. What you can name are hundreds of freeloading countries that benefit from our cash largess, and others that hide behind our military--like Europe did throughout the Cold War--while we work our asses off to foot the bill. (Something that isn't going to go on indefinitely.) Like I wrote before, America simply outperforms every other country. Don't expect us to apologize for it. The Old World has had thousands of years to get its act together. We're only a couple of hundred years old, and yet we've managed to eclipse the rest of the world utterly. We didn't get this way by being lazy, warlike, or imperialistic. We did it internally.
"Leaving the US and muslim worlds aside for the moment you will find very few people (including me) who disagree that Saddam was a monster.
Howevr you will find a great number of people that are confused as to the motives of the coalition for invading Iraq. Yes it is a given that Saddam need to be removed, it should have been done the first time around but there are obvious benifits for the west from the reserves of oil in the country.
If Iraq is left to govern itself and grow rich and its people prosper and have their lives enriched as a result of selling those reserves around the world it would be the best outcome."
You people are confused because you haven't learned to take President Bush at his word. You're all used to leaders who lie out their asses as a matter of policy, so you assume he does too. He stated his reasons for deposing Saddam before, during, and many times after the war. You people just refused to listen. You should try listening to what the man says, instead of what other people say about him.
As far as the oil goes, we obviously aren't taking it, but if we don't hand Iraq a bill for building their country, Bush isn't the man I think he is.
A rich Iraq is not a good outcome, but a prosperous Iraq that doesn't seek WMD, attack its nieghbors and foster terrorism is.
"Some people however are suspicious as to America and the coalitions motives - are they there in order to to be able to claim the lions share of that oil? Only time will tell."
Again with the oil. America has done the Lion's share of the work and the dying. If we hand Iraq a bill, it damn well better be for the lion's share of any reimbursement Iraq dispenses. We could have kept the oil fields if that was what we wanted. Saddam seized thenm from Western conglomerates, after all.
"I personally think that the next real world confict will arise from the battle to control the dwindling oil resources and China as it develops and needs ever greater volumes of the stuff will be right in the middle of it.
If it hasnt started already that is."
China is a joke. It has no oil of its own, which is why it's making a doomed play for Russia's Siberian fields. Not that they have the skill to tap it even if they were given the chance. Not even the Canadians can extract the vast reserves in their tundra profitably, and Canada is a competent country, except for its steady decline into bankrupt socialism. More than 90% of the Chinese cant afford to buy shoes. They sure as hell aren't going to be buying the world's oil. They cant seize it, either, because their military is likewise a joke.
Anti-Americanism is a mental disorder. Healthy people admire high achievers--they don't envy them. It's just not natural. It's like plain or ugly Western women who hate pretty women. It's just weird, and it doesn't happen in most of the world. Frankly, I look at the type of people who hate me for being American, and feel nothing but contempt.
Do you really want to be part of that crowd? Besides, A huge proportion of Americans are Irish. People actually like them over here. Can you say that about England or Scotland? France or Germany? Spain or Italy? I don't think so.
As far as the islamopithecines go, they hate everybody, including themselves. They are the scum of the Earth. Nobody else even comes close.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 08:21 PM (abVz3)
370
I think death penalty is too kind for some criminals, and i am against it!...he would have soffered more in a dark cold cell, with no bed and no toilet, eating cockroaches and sleeping on his own escrements for the rest of his days... the hanging was too nice for him
Posted by: jack at January 02, 2007 08:24 PM (sUJni)
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Jeff,
Your "martyr" comments were, umm...shall we say, less-than-coherent? Hmmm...you make this board air pretty fuggy!
"...just monsters that can no longer harm anybody."
Ha ha ha!!! Right on, Jeff! Big bad monsters with hairy cocks! Ha ha ha! Moooooot! Sounds like a Disney theme.
Are you feeling like a martyr, Jeff? Did you shit your panties last night while copying phrases out of the AIPAC manual?
Your "martyr" comments were, umm...shall we say, less-than-coherent? Hmmm...you make this board air pretty fuggy!
"...just monsters that can no longer harm anybody."
Ha ha ha!!! Right on, Jeff! Big bad monsters with hairy cocks! Ha ha ha! Moooooot! Sounds like a Disney theme.
Are you feeling like a martyr, Jeff? Did you shit your panties last night while copying phrases out of the AIPAC manual?
Posted by: white at January 02, 2007 08:35 PM (AA/Rk)
372
This should have happened ten to fifteen years ago!!! I believe all executions should be made public! Why hide the last moments of justice? Make people afraid, let them see the outcome of these animals. Help the people with the ability to use their God given tallents remember How dark life can be when your forced to know the enevidible is near. I hope this execution brings an underlying peace to many soldiers that have faught so hard to see these results!!!
Posted by: M Cannon at January 02, 2007 08:44 PM (K6emJ)
373
if we are to believe in the power in which we subsequently despise, then, with all utmost regret we have succombed to that of we, for all our wasted efforts to suffice, became an interpretation far more worse...
Posted by: vetza at January 02, 2007 08:45 PM (+ADdv)
Posted by: ka-sandra at January 02, 2007 08:49 PM (AdHqV)
375
It would have been smarter not to have killed him.
Posted by: denise at January 02, 2007 08:52 PM (tm56o)
376
To bad we killed the wrong man, I don't remember him blowing up the WTC towers. Oh well, everyone forgot about the real terrorist I guess, Wash. d.c. wins again.
Till we meet again Osama I'll be ready with more fire power this time, even if I have to pay for it out of my own pocket.
"YOUR ASS IS MINE BITCH"
Till we meet again Osama I'll be ready with more fire power this time, even if I have to pay for it out of my own pocket.
"YOUR ASS IS MINE BITCH"
Posted by: jim bo at January 02, 2007 08:52 PM (8RI8F)
377
It would have been smarter not to have killed him.
Posted by: denise at January 02, 2007 08:52 PM (tm56o)
378
To bad we killed the wrong man, I don't remember him blowing up the WTC towers. Oh well, everyone forgot about the real terrorist I guess, Wash. d.c. wins again.
Till we meet again Osama I'll be ready with more fire power this time, even if I have to pay for it out of my own pocket.
"YOUR ASS IS MINE BITCH"
Till we meet again Osama I'll be ready with more fire power this time, even if I have to pay for it out of my own pocket.
"YOUR ASS IS MINE BITCH"
Posted by: jim bo at January 02, 2007 08:53 PM (8RI8F)
379
jeff, if we are to believe in the power in which we subsequently despise, then, with all utmost regret we have succombed to that of we, for all our wasted efforts to suffice, became an interpretation far more worse...
Posted by: vetza at January 02, 2007 08:54 PM (+ADdv)
380
To bad we killed the wrong man, I don't remember him blowing up the WTC towers. Oh well, everyone forgot about the real terrorist I guess, Wash. d.c. wins again.
Till we meet again Osama I'll be ready with more fire power this time, even if I have to pay for it out of my own pocket.
"YOUR ASS IS MINE BITCH"
Till we meet again Osama I'll be ready with more fire power this time, even if I have to pay for it out of my own pocket.
"YOUR ASS IS MINE BITCH"
Posted by: jim bo at January 02, 2007 08:54 PM (8RI8F)
381
Well.. lots of informitive dialogue. Here is mine ladies and gentlemen. First and formost...to all of you Israel haters. They are Gods chosen people, just read the Bible. God gave a blessing to Abrahams son... Issac! Who is Israel, the Jews! They are a blessed nation and more than any people on the face of the earth, They have been a blessing to all nations, even Arbs! Secondly, the Arabs are desendants of Ishmael...the bible says one day they will be at peace with Israel. However, the Arabs and Russian will try to destroy Israel. Since it's recent re-birth, may 14th 1948, Israel has been attached 4 times by multiple Arab nations, they have miraculously defeated the Arab invaders each time. Russian and Iran and several smaller nations will attach Israel again! They will be stopped and destroyed by Gods intervention..read Epicenter by Joel Rosenberg or any book by Booker or Hagee. The bible says God will bless those that bless Israel and he will curse those who curse Israel! It's easy... repent and follow Gods word. e-mail me at trvsfit@yahoo.com if you want to talk..not rant...but talk.
Seriously... may God bless you.
Tom
Seriously... may God bless you.
Tom
Posted by: Tom at January 02, 2007 08:56 PM (IIVlu)
382
Disgusting:
Spare us the Bush lied, people died, bullshit. If you can name one thing the President lied about, I'll get a lobotomy, ditch my conscience, and join the P.C. left in it's self loathing jihad against America.
Good luck with that.
"To sit here and mock religions and races makes you exactly the opposite of who you claim to be."
Who do I claim to be, dildo? Feel free to take a trip to one of those wonderful muslime Arab countries. See how long it takes you to end up in one of their head sawing home videos. Arabs are not a separate race, by the way. Spare me your ignorance.
"Read the Quran and find out what Islam is about, and then go beyond that and look how many people in the world are actually muslim. Then compare the percent of "muslim" terrorists to how many there are. Further, open your eyes, there are 6 billion people in this world..You are really not the most important. So while you sit here and mock peoples' suffering, don't question why they hate you."
You really are a raging asshole, aren't you? The islamopithecines are trying to conquer the world through terrorism--the vilest practice in the history of mankind (not that they qualify as men)--and you curse Americans for hating them because of their detestable acts. Saddam was a genocidal monster, but you reserve your twisted hate for Americans. You know what? Suck my ass, you sick animal.
Read the koran? Physician, heal thyself. You obviously don't have the slightest idea what's written therein.
There are a lot of cockroaches and other vermin in the world. Are we supposed to respect them for their numbers? Is that your idea of logic? No wonder the rest of the world lags so far behind. There are roughly 800 million muslims. After 911 the figure touted by the MsM grew to 1 billion overnight. very miraculous. Now we're supposed to believe it's 1.1 billion. Based on what? The word of the muslims--the most outrageous liars on the planet. Idiots like you don't even question these bogus figures. In fact, you revel in them like a pig in slop.
Meanwhile, there are more than two billion Christians in the world, and islame is not the world's fastest growing religion. It has the fastest growth rate, but that isn't hard to accomplish when you start near the bottom. Far more people convert to christianity each day than do islame.
"...there are 6 billion people in this world..You are really not the most important. So while you sit here and mock peoples' suffering, don't question why they hate you."
Saddam is neither suffering nor hating. He's dead. The suffering in the islamopithecine world is self imposed. Nobody forces them to live like stone age proto-hominids.
Besides, America definitely is the most important country in the world, and nobody knows it more than losers like you. Our premiere position in the world is exactly why you envy us so pathetically. If you want to be number one, earn it, lowlife. We aren't holding you back. You aren't going to build yourselves up by tearing others down.
More than 2 billion Christians providing charity, services and fellowship around the world versus 800 million koranimals practicing slavery, mysogyny, homophobia, and poor hygiene. You tell me who's more important.
Any koranimal who shelters, funds, cheerleads, condones, or refuses to denounce terrorism is a terrorist--not just the ones who physically carry out terrorist acts.
There is no defense for terrorism, yet here you are, defending terrorists and cursing America. This video has really brought the world's scum out from under their rocks. You are a deeply revolting excuse for a human being. "Disgusting" describes you perfectly. Please don't ever change your screen name.
Spare us the Bush lied, people died, bullshit. If you can name one thing the President lied about, I'll get a lobotomy, ditch my conscience, and join the P.C. left in it's self loathing jihad against America.
Good luck with that.
"To sit here and mock religions and races makes you exactly the opposite of who you claim to be."
Who do I claim to be, dildo? Feel free to take a trip to one of those wonderful muslime Arab countries. See how long it takes you to end up in one of their head sawing home videos. Arabs are not a separate race, by the way. Spare me your ignorance.
"Read the Quran and find out what Islam is about, and then go beyond that and look how many people in the world are actually muslim. Then compare the percent of "muslim" terrorists to how many there are. Further, open your eyes, there are 6 billion people in this world..You are really not the most important. So while you sit here and mock peoples' suffering, don't question why they hate you."
You really are a raging asshole, aren't you? The islamopithecines are trying to conquer the world through terrorism--the vilest practice in the history of mankind (not that they qualify as men)--and you curse Americans for hating them because of their detestable acts. Saddam was a genocidal monster, but you reserve your twisted hate for Americans. You know what? Suck my ass, you sick animal.
Read the koran? Physician, heal thyself. You obviously don't have the slightest idea what's written therein.
There are a lot of cockroaches and other vermin in the world. Are we supposed to respect them for their numbers? Is that your idea of logic? No wonder the rest of the world lags so far behind. There are roughly 800 million muslims. After 911 the figure touted by the MsM grew to 1 billion overnight. very miraculous. Now we're supposed to believe it's 1.1 billion. Based on what? The word of the muslims--the most outrageous liars on the planet. Idiots like you don't even question these bogus figures. In fact, you revel in them like a pig in slop.
Meanwhile, there are more than two billion Christians in the world, and islame is not the world's fastest growing religion. It has the fastest growth rate, but that isn't hard to accomplish when you start near the bottom. Far more people convert to christianity each day than do islame.
"...there are 6 billion people in this world..You are really not the most important. So while you sit here and mock peoples' suffering, don't question why they hate you."
Saddam is neither suffering nor hating. He's dead. The suffering in the islamopithecine world is self imposed. Nobody forces them to live like stone age proto-hominids.
Besides, America definitely is the most important country in the world, and nobody knows it more than losers like you. Our premiere position in the world is exactly why you envy us so pathetically. If you want to be number one, earn it, lowlife. We aren't holding you back. You aren't going to build yourselves up by tearing others down.
More than 2 billion Christians providing charity, services and fellowship around the world versus 800 million koranimals practicing slavery, mysogyny, homophobia, and poor hygiene. You tell me who's more important.
Any koranimal who shelters, funds, cheerleads, condones, or refuses to denounce terrorism is a terrorist--not just the ones who physically carry out terrorist acts.
There is no defense for terrorism, yet here you are, defending terrorists and cursing America. This video has really brought the world's scum out from under their rocks. You are a deeply revolting excuse for a human being. "Disgusting" describes you perfectly. Please don't ever change your screen name.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 08:58 PM (abVz3)
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They hanged the wrong guy---Osama is still out there
Posted by: Tom at January 02, 2007 09:00 PM (gWSEY)
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Jeff, you have appropriated Rightproud's strategy in a painfully obvious way. The problem is, that makes you a fucking copycat (it lessens the humor a bit). Go change your diapers.
Posted by: white at January 02, 2007 09:02 PM (AA/Rk)
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DON'T TELL ME ASSHOLE I DID THREE TOURS OVER THEIR YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT, ALL YOU KNOW IS WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO KNOW SO DON'T TELL ME ABOUT THESE PEOPLE OVER THEIR, I LIVED WITH THEM FOR 1AND 1/2 YEARS. PEOPLE IN THE US SAY THEY CARE BUT IN REALITY THEY DON'T THEY CARE MORE ABOUT WHAT BRITNEY SPEARS IS SHOWING OFF INSTEAD OF THEIR OWN TROOPS THAT ARE DYING.
Posted by: JIMBO at January 02, 2007 09:04 PM (8RI8F)
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Addled:
"A guy saying above in the comments "Free Iraq and USA"??? After Americans coming to Iraq, 60 people and 2-3 Americans on average die per day in Iraq, and for your kind information USA isn't the safe place any more. Thanks to bush policies... Do not stick your nose in the matters of others... Now Americans says "We're running out of Iraq with our hands covering our butts". Jeff read about Islam before you say anything, Islam NOT MUSLIMS, there's big difference between Islam and Muslims now a days..."
If you animals don't want us sticking our noses into your filthy corner of the world, stop flying planes into our buildings. The only people running in Iraq are the terrorists--and you know it. Even on the run, the Coalition slaughters more than 100 per day. Where is allah the moon deity? Why cant he save you?
I've forgotten more about islame than you'll ever know. How does that make you feel?
Saddam is dead, the mullahs in Iran are next, and Bin loser will never live to be an old man. There's nothing you can do about it except cry.
"A guy saying above in the comments "Free Iraq and USA"??? After Americans coming to Iraq, 60 people and 2-3 Americans on average die per day in Iraq, and for your kind information USA isn't the safe place any more. Thanks to bush policies... Do not stick your nose in the matters of others... Now Americans says "We're running out of Iraq with our hands covering our butts". Jeff read about Islam before you say anything, Islam NOT MUSLIMS, there's big difference between Islam and Muslims now a days..."
If you animals don't want us sticking our noses into your filthy corner of the world, stop flying planes into our buildings. The only people running in Iraq are the terrorists--and you know it. Even on the run, the Coalition slaughters more than 100 per day. Where is allah the moon deity? Why cant he save you?
I've forgotten more about islame than you'll ever know. How does that make you feel?
Saddam is dead, the mullahs in Iran are next, and Bin loser will never live to be an old man. There's nothing you can do about it except cry.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 09:05 PM (abVz3)
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Tom, if Jews are god's chosen people, then shit must be gold.
Posted by: Yes at January 02, 2007 09:06 PM (AA/Rk)
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Some comments here really sickens me. Just look at what you wrote. Look at it! You feel big? Insulting religions left and right orgetting what this whole thing is about it.
Sick people!!! Enjoy your sick pictures. I pray to God I'll never bump into any of those who insult religion because of their ignorance! And whose who enjoy watching executions!
SICK!!
Sick people!!! Enjoy your sick pictures. I pray to God I'll never bump into any of those who insult religion because of their ignorance! And whose who enjoy watching executions!
SICK!!
Posted by: Sarah at January 02, 2007 09:11 PM (qmI04)
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Concerned:
Guys like you always claim dead koranimals are martyrs. Can you name a single muslim martyr? The Coalition has been killing them by the hundreds of thousands for the last 3 years. Not even the muslims remember who they were. There is no movement built around any dead "martyrs."
There are no martyrs, just monsters that can no longer harm anybody.
Guys like you always claim dead koranimals are martyrs. Can you name a single muslim martyr? The Coalition has been killing them by the hundreds of thousands for the last 3 years. Not even the muslims remember who they were. There is no movement built around any dead "martyrs."
There are no martyrs, just monsters that can no longer harm anybody.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 09:12 PM (abVz3)
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Jeff, after you change your diapers, look up "ad hominem," and report back like a good girl (Oh, and don't use the AIPAC manual!).
Jeff, after you change your diapers, look up "ad hominem," and report back like a good girl (Oh, and don't use the AIPAC manual!).
Posted by: white at January 02, 2007 09:20 PM (AA/Rk)
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May God Bless His Soul.
Wondering, would the American (bastards) do the same to the fucking Jews.
Wondering, would the American (bastards) do the same to the fucking Jews.
Posted by: zacharyirfan at January 02, 2007 09:21 PM (elB1P)
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Fuck this guy and most government officials in the United States. I hate most Americans. Fuck you all human beings.
Posted by: Donna at January 02, 2007 09:25 PM (7uHiZ)
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We will forever miss u....ull always be loved...i grew up as a child honoring you. Ill never forget the first time i heard your voice....Youll forever be missed...R.I.P. James Brown
As for Sadam's ass...burn in Hell!!!!!
As for Sadam's ass...burn in Hell!!!!!
Posted by: mia at January 02, 2007 09:26 PM (HqeYG)
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Aswipe:
"The death of any living thing should not be celebrated. Hussein was not an angel but look at what has happened to that country after our rush to find WMD. Maybe Bush should have been tried with him for the deaths of our service men and the 300,000 Iraqi killed since we had to go there..."
How many of you mental defectives are going to claim killing a mass murderer was wrong, and calling for the death of President Bush in the same paragraph. Do you have any idea how staggeringly stupid you are? Are you even capable of reason? Even without your raging BDS, I doubt it. Crying over "300,000" terrorists is despicable. Oh, wait. The lying Lancet arrived at that "innocent civilian" figure through the supremely scientific method of knocking on doors and asking Iraqis if they knew anyone who died. Cretin.
Clinton built North Korea's reactors, dumbass, and made similar deals with Iran. So much for blaming Bush, who will doubtlessly remove the mullahs from power before his term ends in 2009. Neither NK nor Iran have nukes yet, by the way. The N. Korean detonation was a dud, and the mullahs don't even have a dud.
Your hero Saddam is dead. Get over it, scumbag.
"The death of any living thing should not be celebrated. Hussein was not an angel but look at what has happened to that country after our rush to find WMD. Maybe Bush should have been tried with him for the deaths of our service men and the 300,000 Iraqi killed since we had to go there..."
How many of you mental defectives are going to claim killing a mass murderer was wrong, and calling for the death of President Bush in the same paragraph. Do you have any idea how staggeringly stupid you are? Are you even capable of reason? Even without your raging BDS, I doubt it. Crying over "300,000" terrorists is despicable. Oh, wait. The lying Lancet arrived at that "innocent civilian" figure through the supremely scientific method of knocking on doors and asking Iraqis if they knew anyone who died. Cretin.
Clinton built North Korea's reactors, dumbass, and made similar deals with Iran. So much for blaming Bush, who will doubtlessly remove the mullahs from power before his term ends in 2009. Neither NK nor Iran have nukes yet, by the way. The N. Korean detonation was a dud, and the mullahs don't even have a dud.
Your hero Saddam is dead. Get over it, scumbag.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 09:28 PM (abVz3)
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i hope as u watch him hang u remember that over 3000 americans died to get u those photos, not to mention thousands of iraqis...
u fuckin idiots think it was worth it... u guys have shit for brains... iraq is 100 times worse now than it ever was under saddam... not to say that he wasn't completely disguisting...
bottom line, saddam WAS at one point powerful and he hated israel... to no surprise, american centiment towards him had to change... anyone remember rumsfeld shaking hands with saddam back in the day... fucking idiots!!, keep letting israel and the second most powerful political lobby in the USA, the Israeli Lobby, influence ur global military strategy and tax dollars...
good work rednecks
u fuckin idiots think it was worth it... u guys have shit for brains... iraq is 100 times worse now than it ever was under saddam... not to say that he wasn't completely disguisting...
bottom line, saddam WAS at one point powerful and he hated israel... to no surprise, american centiment towards him had to change... anyone remember rumsfeld shaking hands with saddam back in the day... fucking idiots!!, keep letting israel and the second most powerful political lobby in the USA, the Israeli Lobby, influence ur global military strategy and tax dollars...
good work rednecks
Posted by: common sense at January 02, 2007 09:29 PM (IzgrD)
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Jeff Bargholz:
You are day dreaming mother fucker, son of of a bitch. America can try and they will end up back in the bush.
You are day dreaming mother fucker, son of of a bitch. America can try and they will end up back in the bush.
Posted by: zacharyirfan at January 02, 2007 09:31 PM (elB1P)
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You are a bunch of perverts. No better than Saddam, but much worse.
And with that one statement you expose what an utter fool you are, comparing mere comments on a blog to the deeds of a mass murderer. Behold, Leftards, the moral confusion that abounds in your camp.
And with that one statement you expose what an utter fool you are, comparing mere comments on a blog to the deeds of a mass murderer. Behold, Leftards, the moral confusion that abounds in your camp.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 02, 2007 09:34 PM (8e/V4)
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This has been a long time coming, but I can think of a lot more productive things that could have been done rather than a simple hanging.
Maybe it would've been more appealing if worthless humans weren't incapable of competent camera handling.
Maybe it would've been more appealing if worthless humans weren't incapable of competent camera handling.
Posted by: Cassie. at January 02, 2007 09:35 PM (T2gr7)
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This has been a long time coming, but I can think of a lot more productive things that could have been done rather than a simple hanging.
Maybe it would've been more appealing if worthless humans weren't incapable of competent camera handling.
Maybe it would've been more appealing if worthless humans weren't incapable of competent camera handling.
Posted by: Cassie. at January 02, 2007 09:35 PM (T2gr7)
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This has been a long time coming, but I can think of a lot more productive things that could have been done rather than a simple hanging.
Maybe it would've been more appealing if worthless humans weren't incapable of competent camera handling.
Maybe it would've been more appealing if worthless humans weren't incapable of competent camera handling.
Posted by: Cassie. at January 02, 2007 09:36 PM (T2gr7)
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Tammy:
"saddam though should have been sentenced to death was unfairly treated especially in trial, a hanging is so primitive!
the world took a giant step back. no justice was served here! how are we any better then this man to let something like that happen?
ill pray to God that ppl like Bush and especially Bush himself will come out of power. the world will remain one f'ed up place until then."
Saddam got a fairer trial than the majority of Americans get here--and nobody here is responsible for killing a million people, or commiting decades worth of atrocities that would have made Stalin and Mao blanch.
The world took a giant step forward, and justice was served to all the people still living who suffered at that animal's hands.
There is no moral equivalency between Saddam's crimes and Americans who had no say in his execution. I'm pretty sure every American who ever lived was better than Saddam, and that certainly includes the President.
I pray that people like you never come to power in this country. We wouldn't last long if they did.
"saddam though should have been sentenced to death was unfairly treated especially in trial, a hanging is so primitive!
the world took a giant step back. no justice was served here! how are we any better then this man to let something like that happen?
ill pray to God that ppl like Bush and especially Bush himself will come out of power. the world will remain one f'ed up place until then."
Saddam got a fairer trial than the majority of Americans get here--and nobody here is responsible for killing a million people, or commiting decades worth of atrocities that would have made Stalin and Mao blanch.
The world took a giant step forward, and justice was served to all the people still living who suffered at that animal's hands.
There is no moral equivalency between Saddam's crimes and Americans who had no say in his execution. I'm pretty sure every American who ever lived was better than Saddam, and that certainly includes the President.
I pray that people like you never come to power in this country. We wouldn't last long if they did.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 09:38 PM (abVz3)
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.You are only capable of using fowl and inappropriate language.
Are public schools that bad up in Nebraska or are you just a drop out.
ah, sweet irony -- Quack, Quack.
Are public schools that bad up in Nebraska or are you just a drop out.
ah, sweet irony -- Quack, Quack.
Posted by: davec at January 02, 2007 09:38 PM (yaQM4)
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I worked up the nerve to view my first beheading video awhile back (I've learned to be careful about the images I allow in my head), and, oddly perhaps, this reminded me of that.
Alas, no aloha
Loren
Alas, no aloha
Loren
Posted by: Loren Mitchell at January 02, 2007 09:41 PM (98Q5O)
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hey Jeff
Saddam is dead. Get over it. Get off your computer for once and get a life.It seems that you have nothing to do but get on the computer.Do you have a wife, Children, family, or even a boyfriend with whom you can spend some quality time?
You must be a sad and lonely human being. God bless you and have some mercy on you.Peace.
Saddam is dead. Get over it. Get off your computer for once and get a life.It seems that you have nothing to do but get on the computer.Do you have a wife, Children, family, or even a boyfriend with whom you can spend some quality time?
You must be a sad and lonely human being. God bless you and have some mercy on you.Peace.
Posted by: magic at January 02, 2007 09:45 PM (fyS1Y)
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Dumbazz:
You am smart. Bush are bad, and him no should kill terists in Irak. Death to Amerikkka!
Saddam kills a million people, and you want Bush's blood. You really are a worm, but I thank you for the laughs.
You am smart. Bush are bad, and him no should kill terists in Irak. Death to Amerikkka!
Saddam kills a million people, and you want Bush's blood. You really are a worm, but I thank you for the laughs.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 09:45 PM (abVz3)
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Saddam was no dictator...he ruled Iraq with an iron fist...to control the animals like you.
Well, Bush could get oil off the wells by using Saddam's video to provoke ethnic wars...perhaps time will tell how much this sucker could suck..One Saddam Sacrificed and 100s would evolve....remember this
Well, Bush could get oil off the wells by using Saddam's video to provoke ethnic wars...perhaps time will tell how much this sucker could suck..One Saddam Sacrificed and 100s would evolve....remember this
Posted by: Ian at January 02, 2007 09:46 PM (gajac)
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I think it's quite pathetic that all you sandkicker lovers are criticizing Jeff's opinons, when it seems like he's the only person involved in these posts that has any sense about anything right in the world.
Posted by: Cassie. at January 02, 2007 09:51 PM (T2gr7)
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Most of you seem so hell bent on seeing him hung. Now if he was guilty of crimes, then he may have deserved what he got.
But right in our own country, we have people guilty of mass murders around the globe, and we have the KKK and no one gives a rats azz.
So let's be real, we have two justices in the world. God be on your side if you're not on the side of the PERSONS WITH THE BIGGEST GUNS and BIBLES!!!
NATIONALISM LEADS TO FACISM.
AND YES, Israel kills Palestinians all the time. And yes the less powerful Palestinians fight back. I don't agree with either side, but if I had to choose a side to empathize with, it would be the side with NO REAL WEAPONS, living in NAZI like CONCENTRATION CAMPS. BOTH SIDES ARE KILLING INNOCENT CHILDREN, BUT THE SIDE WITH THE REAL POWER (ISRAEL) should begin a real CEASE FIRE.
Our world needs less violence and more love and protection of our children!!!!!
But right in our own country, we have people guilty of mass murders around the globe, and we have the KKK and no one gives a rats azz.
So let's be real, we have two justices in the world. God be on your side if you're not on the side of the PERSONS WITH THE BIGGEST GUNS and BIBLES!!!
NATIONALISM LEADS TO FACISM.
AND YES, Israel kills Palestinians all the time. And yes the less powerful Palestinians fight back. I don't agree with either side, but if I had to choose a side to empathize with, it would be the side with NO REAL WEAPONS, living in NAZI like CONCENTRATION CAMPS. BOTH SIDES ARE KILLING INNOCENT CHILDREN, BUT THE SIDE WITH THE REAL POWER (ISRAEL) should begin a real CEASE FIRE.
Our world needs less violence and more love and protection of our children!!!!!
Posted by: FATHER EARTH at January 02, 2007 09:56 PM (jiaJP)
Posted by: Ken at January 02, 2007 10:01 PM (qPlrr)
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UKgoil:
"arse shit fuck cunt wank piss poo tit bum toss queer islamopithecine koranimal muslime ...
There, I think I've summarised Jeffs contribution."
No, like all the other sickos here crying over Saddam and getting erect over thoughts of Bush being hanged, you've deliberately avoided addressing any of my points. No surprise there, since you obviously don't have the brain wattage or the integrity to do so.
"Oh, by the way, I'm British. So obviously my teeth are at right angles to each other, my arse is full of semen from our inbred royals, I've never won a war without American help and my mum got shagged by a US Marine in the 40's ... hopefully I've saved Jeff having to post his usual reply."
Sorry to hear it. Hypocrites like you can dish it out, but you cant take it.
"Saddam's gone, but in a few years time another regime that the US/UK/Western 'civilised' world has loaded up with various weapons will decide it wants to go off in a different direction and will bite the hand that armed it."
And what regime will that be, pray tell? The Kingdom of Mordor, or do you have a regime based in reality in mind? And what do you mean by another? As pointed out on this thread by Jesusland Carlos, France and Russia armed your hero Saddam. Are scurrilous lies about America your idea of a "contribution?" You even lied about your own country.
"Or maybe some of us will be gone by then - there's an awful lots of missing nuke elements which I really fear will end up on one of my streets. So, if you follow a religion, pray to it that that doesn't happen as otherwise it won't matter one way or the other to an awful lot of people."
Bush tries to stop that very scenario from occurring, and you villify him for it. Now you're whining because it may happen anyway. You cant have it both ways. Do you feel any shame for attacking the civilized world over the death of a genocidal tyrant? Are you capable of honorable emotions at all, or are you limited to snide remarks?
I'm pretty sure I already know the answer.
"arse shit fuck cunt wank piss poo tit bum toss queer islamopithecine koranimal muslime ...
There, I think I've summarised Jeffs contribution."
No, like all the other sickos here crying over Saddam and getting erect over thoughts of Bush being hanged, you've deliberately avoided addressing any of my points. No surprise there, since you obviously don't have the brain wattage or the integrity to do so.
"Oh, by the way, I'm British. So obviously my teeth are at right angles to each other, my arse is full of semen from our inbred royals, I've never won a war without American help and my mum got shagged by a US Marine in the 40's ... hopefully I've saved Jeff having to post his usual reply."
Sorry to hear it. Hypocrites like you can dish it out, but you cant take it.
"Saddam's gone, but in a few years time another regime that the US/UK/Western 'civilised' world has loaded up with various weapons will decide it wants to go off in a different direction and will bite the hand that armed it."
And what regime will that be, pray tell? The Kingdom of Mordor, or do you have a regime based in reality in mind? And what do you mean by another? As pointed out on this thread by Jesusland Carlos, France and Russia armed your hero Saddam. Are scurrilous lies about America your idea of a "contribution?" You even lied about your own country.
"Or maybe some of us will be gone by then - there's an awful lots of missing nuke elements which I really fear will end up on one of my streets. So, if you follow a religion, pray to it that that doesn't happen as otherwise it won't matter one way or the other to an awful lot of people."
Bush tries to stop that very scenario from occurring, and you villify him for it. Now you're whining because it may happen anyway. You cant have it both ways. Do you feel any shame for attacking the civilized world over the death of a genocidal tyrant? Are you capable of honorable emotions at all, or are you limited to snide remarks?
I'm pretty sure I already know the answer.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 10:03 PM (abVz3)
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Vile:
"You know Jeff, You've made alot of referencing to people sucking your dick. It makes me wonder. Maybe you actually are a cruel, pissed off, radically foolish and ignorant republican who just wants some guy to give him a blow job?
Maybe try to take peoples opinion in consideration instead being a royal pain in the ass, ignorant, bastard."
Your entire comment consisted of nothing but ad hominems. Who's the "royal pain in the ass, ignorant bastard," and why are you crying over a dead monster?
Really. You moonbats are entertaining, but you're all much too stupid to hold a conversation.
"You know Jeff, You've made alot of referencing to people sucking your dick. It makes me wonder. Maybe you actually are a cruel, pissed off, radically foolish and ignorant republican who just wants some guy to give him a blow job?
Maybe try to take peoples opinion in consideration instead being a royal pain in the ass, ignorant, bastard."
Your entire comment consisted of nothing but ad hominems. Who's the "royal pain in the ass, ignorant bastard," and why are you crying over a dead monster?
Really. You moonbats are entertaining, but you're all much too stupid to hold a conversation.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 10:08 PM (abVz3)
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Vengeance is mine, says the Lord
Posted by: jan at January 02, 2007 10:09 PM (o6J6y)
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saddam knew the process. he put himself in the gallows. THIS IS THE LAW HE BROKE IT & DESERVED TO BE PUNISHED. HE BELIEVED IN CAPITAL PUNISHMENT
& WAS KILLED BY THE PUNISHMENT HE BELIVED IN .
""JUSTICE PREVAILS ONCE AGAIN""
& WAS KILLED BY THE PUNISHMENT HE BELIVED IN .
""JUSTICE PREVAILS ONCE AGAIN""
Posted by: david at January 02, 2007 10:14 PM (2AyqD)
Posted by: jon blagg at January 02, 2007 10:15 PM (MZWAI)
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Jeff Bargholzmiew,
You are day dreaming mother fucker son of a bitch.
Bush the bastardo can try but you all will end up back in the bush as bush whackers.
You are day dreaming mother fucker son of a bitch.
Bush the bastardo can try but you all will end up back in the bush as bush whackers.
Posted by: zacharyirfan at January 02, 2007 10:15 PM (elB1P)
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WHERE IN THE F&%# IS OSAMA??? The whole "war on terror" started because of 9/11 and instead of trying to get the jack off resposable they go after saddam. I agree saddam got a lot less than what he deserved but isn't the U.S. side stepping the issue?? With the technology that we have today, how can one person like Osama not be found??
It's ben said that the Shiites' have a sensce of resovle now that they have executed saddam. At the expense of the U.S.; taxes, lost U.S. soldiers and moving americans even higher up on the list of most disliked people in world. By the way, where is the resolve for the American families of those who were murdered on 9/11????? Maby some decent, upstanding Iraqi's will find osama and put a noose around his neck. Not a chance, their to busy killing U.S. soldiers every day... the same ones who liberated thier country for them. This is thier gratitude and thanks!!
The execution of saddam is exteremely significant! When is the last time anyone has seen one country invade another, take over and then hang it's leader?? Nothing good could come out of this and probably just pissed a bunch of people off.I think they could just left him to rott in a cell the rest of his life and at least not bring anymore attention to the problem.
But since it did happen, this bulls$%t of not showing the execution on t.v. is just plain stupid. It's as if they have something to hide. The media has no problem showing the attrocities that saddam and his henchmen committed; why should this be any different? If thier going to kill ruthless bastards like saddam put it on a pay-per-view durring half time of the superbowl. All those assholes out there who are always worried about what everyone else watches on TV need to get a life. If you don't like what is being shown, don't watch!! This is what they made remote control for.. to change the channel and to keep your fat asses from leaving your couch and putting down the MOTHER F&*%ING potato chips!!
It's ben said that the Shiites' have a sensce of resovle now that they have executed saddam. At the expense of the U.S.; taxes, lost U.S. soldiers and moving americans even higher up on the list of most disliked people in world. By the way, where is the resolve for the American families of those who were murdered on 9/11????? Maby some decent, upstanding Iraqi's will find osama and put a noose around his neck. Not a chance, their to busy killing U.S. soldiers every day... the same ones who liberated thier country for them. This is thier gratitude and thanks!!
The execution of saddam is exteremely significant! When is the last time anyone has seen one country invade another, take over and then hang it's leader?? Nothing good could come out of this and probably just pissed a bunch of people off.I think they could just left him to rott in a cell the rest of his life and at least not bring anymore attention to the problem.
But since it did happen, this bulls$%t of not showing the execution on t.v. is just plain stupid. It's as if they have something to hide. The media has no problem showing the attrocities that saddam and his henchmen committed; why should this be any different? If thier going to kill ruthless bastards like saddam put it on a pay-per-view durring half time of the superbowl. All those assholes out there who are always worried about what everyone else watches on TV need to get a life. If you don't like what is being shown, don't watch!! This is what they made remote control for.. to change the channel and to keep your fat asses from leaving your couch and putting down the MOTHER F&*%ING potato chips!!
Posted by: DAN WATTS at January 02, 2007 10:16 PM (kxH+l)
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WHERE IN THE F&%# IS OSAMA??? The whole "war on terror" started because of 9/11 and instead of trying to get the jack off resposable they go after saddam. I agree saddam got a lot less than what he deserved but isn't the U.S. side stepping the issue?? With the technology that we have today, how can one person like Osama not be found??
It's ben said that the Shiites' have a sensce of resovle now that they have executed saddam. At the expense of the U.S.; taxes, lost U.S. soldiers and moving americans even higher up on the list of most disliked people in world. By the way, where is the resolve for the American families of those who were murdered on 9/11????? Maby some decent, upstanding Iraqi's will find osama and put a noose around his neck. Not a chance, their to busy killing U.S. soldiers every day... the same ones who liberated thier country for them. This is thier gratitude and thanks!!
The execution of saddam is exteremely significant! When is the last time anyone has seen one country invade another, take over and then hang it's leader?? Nothing good could come out of this and probably just pissed a bunch of people off.I think they could just left him to rott in a cell the rest of his life and at least not bring anymore attention to the problem.
But since it did happen, this bulls$%t of not showing the execution on t.v. is just plain stupid. It's as if they have something to hide. The media has no problem showing the attrocities that saddam and his henchmen committed; why should this be any different? If thier going to kill ruthless bastards like saddam put it on a pay-per-view durring half time of the superbowl. All those assholes out there who are always worried about what everyone else watches on TV need to get a life. If you don't like what is being shown, don't watch!! This is what they made remote control for.. to change the channel and to keep your fat asses from leaving your couch and putting down the MOTHER F&*%ING potato chips!!
It's ben said that the Shiites' have a sensce of resovle now that they have executed saddam. At the expense of the U.S.; taxes, lost U.S. soldiers and moving americans even higher up on the list of most disliked people in world. By the way, where is the resolve for the American families of those who were murdered on 9/11????? Maby some decent, upstanding Iraqi's will find osama and put a noose around his neck. Not a chance, their to busy killing U.S. soldiers every day... the same ones who liberated thier country for them. This is thier gratitude and thanks!!
The execution of saddam is exteremely significant! When is the last time anyone has seen one country invade another, take over and then hang it's leader?? Nothing good could come out of this and probably just pissed a bunch of people off.I think they could just left him to rott in a cell the rest of his life and at least not bring anymore attention to the problem.
But since it did happen, this bulls$%t of not showing the execution on t.v. is just plain stupid. It's as if they have something to hide. The media has no problem showing the attrocities that saddam and his henchmen committed; why should this be any different? If thier going to kill ruthless bastards like saddam put it on a pay-per-view durring half time of the superbowl. All those assholes out there who are always worried about what everyone else watches on TV need to get a life. If you don't like what is being shown, don't watch!! This is what they made remote control for.. to change the channel and to keep your fat asses from leaving your couch and putting down the MOTHER F&*%ING potato chips!!
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Just saw the video; not shocking; mildly satisfying given what the man has done. God, or Allah or whomever is in charge when we draw our last breath can sort him out; it would appear to me that having him gone is much better than having him here anyway. As for all the hate-mongering going on here - and it is pretty thick - try to remember that we are all just flesh and bone, and inside we work pretty much the same way, except for that organ between our ears - which by the way, no one (as of yet) can control in the end, so try to use it wisely? Religion and Flags are responsible for more death and pain than anything Saddam or you all can dish out here. The asshole is dead, move on and try t make the world a better place... get over yourselves!
Posted by: RWjed at January 02, 2007 10:16 PM (7yTDn)
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Father Earth:
Good points. But, I must add, Israeli power isn't "real power" in the strict sense; it’s American power (but I see your point). They'd be speaking Arabic if it were not for us (Americans).
Israel is pretty divided, too, and the conflict with Palestine is an allegory for their internal divisions. The "external" conflict is about the only thing that unites them. That's because Jewish people do not - as some seem to think - have a singular vision. Just like any group, they hold a lot of contending views and ideas on most issues. Religion doesn't even have uniting power because the different religious factions of Judaism can be as divisive as what we have seen with the Sunni and Shia. Now, the Middle East is a tough neighborhood, so contending ideas come to be viewed as threatening to national sovereignty - at least Likud holds this view. Therefore continued conflict - Trotsky's forever revolution – unites them, at least for the time being. It will destroy them eventually, which is regrettable, but true.
Good points. But, I must add, Israeli power isn't "real power" in the strict sense; it’s American power (but I see your point). They'd be speaking Arabic if it were not for us (Americans).
Israel is pretty divided, too, and the conflict with Palestine is an allegory for their internal divisions. The "external" conflict is about the only thing that unites them. That's because Jewish people do not - as some seem to think - have a singular vision. Just like any group, they hold a lot of contending views and ideas on most issues. Religion doesn't even have uniting power because the different religious factions of Judaism can be as divisive as what we have seen with the Sunni and Shia. Now, the Middle East is a tough neighborhood, so contending ideas come to be viewed as threatening to national sovereignty - at least Likud holds this view. Therefore continued conflict - Trotsky's forever revolution – unites them, at least for the time being. It will destroy them eventually, which is regrettable, but true.
Posted by: white at January 02, 2007 10:19 PM (AA/Rk)
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Muslim:
Do you really think anyone is going to bother to read you tedious paste job? No civilized man cares about your stone age mumbo-jumbo. Go rattle some stones and bones at the Moon somewhere else.
I have a prediction for you. Baby Assad in Syria and the mullahs in Iran are going to be deposed before Bush leaves office in 2009. By deposed, I mean killed. What do the goat entrails say about that?
Do you really think anyone is going to bother to read you tedious paste job? No civilized man cares about your stone age mumbo-jumbo. Go rattle some stones and bones at the Moon somewhere else.
I have a prediction for you. Baby Assad in Syria and the mullahs in Iran are going to be deposed before Bush leaves office in 2009. By deposed, I mean killed. What do the goat entrails say about that?
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Well this is a breath of fresh air cause the Bush family finally rid of this idiotic freak we call Saddam. Now maybe they wont start anymore wars. I wish only we could have a form of justice for the Bush administration starting wars that should not have been dragged out so long.....then again the evil trolls that work for Bush probably didn't think we would be facing this much insurgency. but also I have been having something eat at me here lately....but I keep wondering why we haven't seen Bin-Laden caught yet. Do you think he's living fat somewhere in a palace, from all the money the U.S. gave him again only this time to attack our own country? Deep down inside of me I believe that the U.S. paid him to organize 9/11 just so the Bush administration could go after Saddam. They needed a reason. There are so many facts that could lead to this assumption right? Powell backed out...Laden used to be CIA...then we funded him to fight Russians...then there are many other small facts that could point to this. What does everyone else think?
Posted by: creation from chaos at January 02, 2007 10:28 PM (gUFV+)
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ROT IN HELL! SADDAM, YOU SCUMY C**T
I STAYED UP ALL NIGHT AWAITING THE GOOD NEWS OF HIS DEATH.....SHAME THEY DIDNT CUT HIM UP BIT BY BIT SLOWLY
I STAYED UP ALL NIGHT AWAITING THE GOOD NEWS OF HIS DEATH.....SHAME THEY DIDNT CUT HIM UP BIT BY BIT SLOWLY
Posted by: English Princess at January 02, 2007 10:36 PM (hn1xj)
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ROT IN HELL! SADDAM, YOU SCUMY C**T
I STAYED UP ALL NIGHT AWAITING THE GOOD NEWS OF HIS DEATH.....SHAME THEY DIDNT CUT HIM UP BIT BY BIT SLOWLY
I STAYED UP ALL NIGHT AWAITING THE GOOD NEWS OF HIS DEATH.....SHAME THEY DIDNT CUT HIM UP BIT BY BIT SLOWLY
Posted by: English Princess at January 02, 2007 10:36 PM (hn1xj)
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ROT IN HELL! SADDAM, YOU SCUMY C**T
I STAYED UP ALL NIGHT AWAITING THE GOOD NEWS OF HIS DEATH.....SHAME THEY DIDNT CUT HIM UP BIT BY BIT SLOWLY
I STAYED UP ALL NIGHT AWAITING THE GOOD NEWS OF HIS DEATH.....SHAME THEY DIDNT CUT HIM UP BIT BY BIT SLOWLY
Posted by: Princess at January 02, 2007 10:37 PM (hn1xj)
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we buried a president today and i was afraid that terroist would attack the funnerl to get even with the killing of saddam. i watched the video of saddan exceution alone with the funneral of presendant ford. so even with the death of saddam i am still afraid i am afraid for us all. god bless you.let the war end soon
Posted by: fergie at January 02, 2007 10:40 PM (bLHYB)
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Yeah I could really care if we ever caught bin laden....he's not important to me. I guess hes in the same boat as bush though right....I mean he helped pull strings...but I care not for him. I would really looove to just know if the US helped 9/11 happen.
Posted by: creation from chaos at January 02, 2007 10:42 PM (gUFV+)
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majerk:
"hey jeff
you must be living sheltered live over there in Nebraska.It must be those tall corn stalk with the big husks that blocking your vision to the point you are blind and just dumb.You are only capable of using fowl and inappropriate language.
Are public schools that bad up in Nebraska or are you just a drop out. Are you not capable of recognizing that this is a forum to post opinions and comments about Saddam and the execution. Instead, you are using this forum to spew your hatred and dislike toward muslims and arabs in general.
Look,for once, in a mirror to see what I'm talking about and get your head around those big husks, you might be able to see sunlight."
An islamopithecine trying to insult Nebraska? That's too funny. Last time I checked, the wog world was Hell on Earth. The worst day in Nebraska is better than the best day in flea-scratch saudi arabia, camel-pump Syria, or bum-fark egypt. At least we can grow corn. All you losers can grow are rocks.
Please explain how something obscuring my vision could impede my speech. I guess i'm just too "sheltered and uneducated" to figure that one out. Good thing I have a member of the most backwards people on the planet to set me straight.
Feel free to discuss Saddam's well earned execution instead of trying to insult me whenever you're ready, hypocrite. He's dead, your sad, and I'm glad. How's that?
Newsflash: there's a reason America outperforms all other countries, and the islamic countries achieve nothing but extremely bad body odor--and it isn't because Nebraska schools are inferior to the worthless madrassas in your part of the world.
"hey jeff
you must be living sheltered live over there in Nebraska.It must be those tall corn stalk with the big husks that blocking your vision to the point you are blind and just dumb.You are only capable of using fowl and inappropriate language.
Are public schools that bad up in Nebraska or are you just a drop out. Are you not capable of recognizing that this is a forum to post opinions and comments about Saddam and the execution. Instead, you are using this forum to spew your hatred and dislike toward muslims and arabs in general.
Look,for once, in a mirror to see what I'm talking about and get your head around those big husks, you might be able to see sunlight."
An islamopithecine trying to insult Nebraska? That's too funny. Last time I checked, the wog world was Hell on Earth. The worst day in Nebraska is better than the best day in flea-scratch saudi arabia, camel-pump Syria, or bum-fark egypt. At least we can grow corn. All you losers can grow are rocks.
Please explain how something obscuring my vision could impede my speech. I guess i'm just too "sheltered and uneducated" to figure that one out. Good thing I have a member of the most backwards people on the planet to set me straight.
Feel free to discuss Saddam's well earned execution instead of trying to insult me whenever you're ready, hypocrite. He's dead, your sad, and I'm glad. How's that?
Newsflash: there's a reason America outperforms all other countries, and the islamic countries achieve nothing but extremely bad body odor--and it isn't because Nebraska schools are inferior to the worthless madrassas in your part of the world.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 10:44 PM (abVz3)
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Someone called Jeff a redneck. Why the fuck did you do that? I'm a redneck - and an anthropologist, too. Jeff ain't a redneck. Come on!!! Rednecks are assholes sometimes, but we arn't that fucking stupid. Jeff is what we call a "casualty of suburban boredom." It's a classic neurosis: Justify and love that which you hate.
He ain't a redneck, that's for sure. Rednecks really like this country, like me! And before becoming an anthropologist, I served in the Marine Corps. I was a Data systems officer (they called us "data dinks"), but I actually spent most of time doing communications stuff (MOS 2802). Jeff couldn't join the military, 'cause he wears diapers and they don't take folks like that.
He ain't a redneck, that's for sure. Rednecks really like this country, like me! And before becoming an anthropologist, I served in the Marine Corps. I was a Data systems officer (they called us "data dinks"), but I actually spent most of time doing communications stuff (MOS 2802). Jeff couldn't join the military, 'cause he wears diapers and they don't take folks like that.
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Lard largeass:
"Jeff is definitely from Redneck Street, Hill Billy land, Hicksville !!!!"
What do you have against rednecks? Did one steal your girlfriend, or did you get your ass kicked by one? Rednecks are loyal Americans and generally decent people. You cant make that claim. You probably aren't even American. You sound like a chav.
Saddam is dead. Boo hoo, scuzzball.
"Jeff is definitely from Redneck Street, Hill Billy land, Hicksville !!!!"
What do you have against rednecks? Did one steal your girlfriend, or did you get your ass kicked by one? Rednecks are loyal Americans and generally decent people. You cant make that claim. You probably aren't even American. You sound like a chav.
Saddam is dead. Boo hoo, scuzzball.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 10:50 PM (abVz3)
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Happy New Year Jeff! I enjoy your points of view.
I wish more had the balls to take such a stance.
I wish more had the balls to take such a stance.
Posted by: dan at January 02, 2007 10:51 PM (0RcI9)
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Hater of all decency:
Ben Franklin would've considered leftists to be traitors of the worst kind. Fifth columnists like you were tarred and feathered in his day, and that's a fact.
Name one civil libery, civil right, or other freedom you've lost since the Patriot Act was enacted. Unless stupididty is outlawed, you have nothing to worry about.
Ben Franklin would've considered leftists to be traitors of the worst kind. Fifth columnists like you were tarred and feathered in his day, and that's a fact.
Name one civil libery, civil right, or other freedom you've lost since the Patriot Act was enacted. Unless stupididty is outlawed, you have nothing to worry about.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 10:54 PM (abVz3)
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I suppose Ted Haggard a fake preacher too. He was a cock-sucking meth user, that's for sure. Go get a book on argumentation. Now, look up "logical fallacies." Report back.
Was Stalin a fake communist? Was Hitler a fake fascist? Is your boner a fake erection? You fucking retard. Nobody is going to fall for your nonsense. Calling Phelps a fake preacher makes him no less fake than the shit coming out of your mouth.
And your retort on Leviticus was predictable - I baited you and you bit not only the bait, you sucked the whole fucking pole too, you sick pervert. Ha ha ha! Moron!
I suppose Ted Haggard a fake preacher too. He was a cock-sucking meth user, that's for sure. Go get a book on argumentation. Now, look up "logical fallacies." Report back.
Was Stalin a fake communist? Was Hitler a fake fascist? Is your boner a fake erection? You fucking retard. Nobody is going to fall for your nonsense. Calling Phelps a fake preacher makes him no less fake than the shit coming out of your mouth.
And your retort on Leviticus was predictable - I baited you and you bit not only the bait, you sucked the whole fucking pole too, you sick pervert. Ha ha ha! Moron!
Posted by: white at January 02, 2007 10:58 PM (AA/Rk)
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Saddam was a harsh dictator but to play devils advocate Iraq ia a divided hostile nation. Governing is extremly difficult and has a history of civil conflict with a mosaic of diffrent; sometimes hostile ethnic, religious and tribal groups.This is still no excuse for the bloody rule. He deserved punishment. However the fact that he was executed on a important religious holiday and taunted before death was disterbing. This was a revenge killing not justice. This further sharpens sectarian divisons between sunnis and sha's. The new government is about settling scores. This doesnt heal ethnic wounds it only inflames them
Posted by: Laquan Morrison at January 02, 2007 10:58 PM (RuntL)
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JEFF: "Atheists are the greatest mass murderers in history. More than 300 million in the 20th century alone, and you scum are itching to up the ante by killing everyone who disagrees with you--you just don't have the power. As far as superstition goes, what's more superstitious than thinking a compressed ball of nothing blew up and transmogrified into matter, energy, and the physical laws of the universe? Believing that takes a lot more faith than believing in a guiding hand. There is not a single instance of a spontaneous event in the natural universe. Not one."
Let me start by saying that I don't proactively ridicule people of any belief system as long as they don't push it on me, and it is not my intention to offend anyone, but mearly to express my view on your post. I've been reading through this thread for a while now. I was with alot of what you said until this one. Religion has been the scourge of the Earth and the cause of nearly every war. I have read several references to the Middle-east being stuck in the stone age, which I whole-heartedly agree with. I also believe that anyone who buys into any form of hocus pocus bullshit is right there with them. It is truly unfortunate that the majority of people on this planet are so uneducated that they cannot understand the advances that science has put forth in the last century and therefore still attribute our intricate existence to some sky fairy or another. WTF. We might as well be living in caves.
The only problem is that technology has advanced far more quickly than the human mind has evolved.
If people don't get a handle and start using reason and intelligence (ie. think for one minute that you may be wrong about your deity), we are all doomed. Our place here in this universe is way to delicate to blow it over any ancient (and far outdated) belief.
Everyone is an atheist concerning the gods of religions other than their own. The smart ones just take it one god further.
Let me start by saying that I don't proactively ridicule people of any belief system as long as they don't push it on me, and it is not my intention to offend anyone, but mearly to express my view on your post. I've been reading through this thread for a while now. I was with alot of what you said until this one. Religion has been the scourge of the Earth and the cause of nearly every war. I have read several references to the Middle-east being stuck in the stone age, which I whole-heartedly agree with. I also believe that anyone who buys into any form of hocus pocus bullshit is right there with them. It is truly unfortunate that the majority of people on this planet are so uneducated that they cannot understand the advances that science has put forth in the last century and therefore still attribute our intricate existence to some sky fairy or another. WTF. We might as well be living in caves.
The only problem is that technology has advanced far more quickly than the human mind has evolved.
If people don't get a handle and start using reason and intelligence (ie. think for one minute that you may be wrong about your deity), we are all doomed. Our place here in this universe is way to delicate to blow it over any ancient (and far outdated) belief.
Everyone is an atheist concerning the gods of religions other than their own. The smart ones just take it one god further.
Posted by: NO Religion at January 02, 2007 10:58 PM (pUwHl)
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James Edweird:
"you freaks. Christ said "Do Not Kill." Period, End of Story, No Fine Print, No Exceptions. You're all so stupid you don't get the joke: you are as barbaric in your hearts as Saddam was. As cruel, as ignorant, as pathetic. A real mensch, like Christ, would forgive even Saddam. But you psychos are all the flip side of the Saddam coin. As long as there are people like you, there will be people like Saddam."
Wrong. Jesus did not say that. Period. Try reading the Bible.
Only an utter moron can equate some wb comments he dislikes to genocide, mass torture, mass rape, and the rest of saddam's atrocities. Either that, or you're mentally unbalanced. Yes, we're responsible for Saddam's crimes. Sane or not, you're definitely an idiot,.
"you freaks. Christ said "Do Not Kill." Period, End of Story, No Fine Print, No Exceptions. You're all so stupid you don't get the joke: you are as barbaric in your hearts as Saddam was. As cruel, as ignorant, as pathetic. A real mensch, like Christ, would forgive even Saddam. But you psychos are all the flip side of the Saddam coin. As long as there are people like you, there will be people like Saddam."
Wrong. Jesus did not say that. Period. Try reading the Bible.
Only an utter moron can equate some wb comments he dislikes to genocide, mass torture, mass rape, and the rest of saddam's atrocities. Either that, or you're mentally unbalanced. Yes, we're responsible for Saddam's crimes. Sane or not, you're definitely an idiot,.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 10:58 PM (abVz3)
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I have seen a few hangings in my life. None of them had a scarf placed around the victim's neck or had the rope at a 180 degree angle to the neck. I wonder what was the purpose of that...
In the video, as he swings, he has expression in his eyes...I have never seen expression in the eyes of a dead man... In addition when he dropped the next footage we saw was him swinging. If you drop from that height you will bounce until equilibrium slows you to a stand still. Where was the bounce...the multiple impact to break the neck and stop the nerve signal from reaching his brain and telling him to breathe. Interesting footage...
In the video, as he swings, he has expression in his eyes...I have never seen expression in the eyes of a dead man... In addition when he dropped the next footage we saw was him swinging. If you drop from that height you will bounce until equilibrium slows you to a stand still. Where was the bounce...the multiple impact to break the neck and stop the nerve signal from reaching his brain and telling him to breathe. Interesting footage...
Posted by: Dave at January 02, 2007 10:58 PM (2E7pY)
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Hey Jeff, I like the too bizarre thing - it sort of stuck out. Ha ha ha.
Posted by: white at January 02, 2007 11:05 PM (AA/Rk)
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Right now, our soldiers in Iraq are just learning and coming out with new and succesful ways of disarming those terrorist bombs. If the Democrats pull them out now, the years we've spent over there will be wasted.
George Bush started something, and he wants to finish it. He's no quiter like those Democrats.
You know what's gonna happen if a Democrat wins the 2008 election? There gonna pull our boys out of there as quick as they can, and the Terrorists are gonna think they won. They will just get more confedant in themselfs for beating america, and attack more often.
I don't know what the big fuss is over bringing them home.
Who chose to join the army in the first place?
The soldiers did!
Who knows that they might not make it home?
The soldiers do!
Why have a lot of soldiers not come home from the middle east?
Because they died fighting for there country. They have free will, and they decided to put there life on the line. There is no draft!(yet)
George Bush is not forcing them against there will.
George Bush started something, and he wants to finish it. He's no quiter like those Democrats.
You know what's gonna happen if a Democrat wins the 2008 election? There gonna pull our boys out of there as quick as they can, and the Terrorists are gonna think they won. They will just get more confedant in themselfs for beating america, and attack more often.
I don't know what the big fuss is over bringing them home.
Who chose to join the army in the first place?
The soldiers did!
Who knows that they might not make it home?
The soldiers do!
Why have a lot of soldiers not come home from the middle east?
Because they died fighting for there country. They have free will, and they decided to put there life on the line. There is no draft!(yet)
George Bush is not forcing them against there will.
Posted by: Archy at January 02, 2007 11:10 PM (BNgRY)
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enjoy your police state ....stupid fucking yanks.. lets hang all susspected "terrorists".that will be 300 million americans wont it?.....
Posted by: grugebearer at January 02, 2007 11:16 PM (FB41L)
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I'm with Jeff... He shouldn't have been hung. Thou shall not kill. He should be suffering for the rest of his life. Old school. 1 pound of flesh at a time. It's 2007 there has to be a way to take the flesh without spilling the blood so Solomon and bible thumpers like Jeff would have been appeased as much as we would have.
I'm all about compromise :-)
I'm all about compromise :-)
Posted by: sardo at January 02, 2007 11:17 PM (qlZuT)
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if any of you dont think saddam was a piece then you should be swinging next to him. screw foreigners
Posted by: usa 316 at January 02, 2007 11:19 PM (Hs9jI)
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Jeff -
I am proudly anti-Semitic, so calling me one doesn't do much good. And arabs are semites, so no, I am not crying about Saddam's death. I'd have killed him along with a lot of others - including you.
Jeff -
I am proudly anti-Semitic, so calling me one doesn't do much good. And arabs are semites, so no, I am not crying about Saddam's death. I'd have killed him along with a lot of others - including you.
Posted by: Yes at January 02, 2007 11:20 PM (AA/Rk)
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Jeff,
thank you for pointing out that the Commandments and the Gospels are meant to be a guide for Christians. I'm presuming you are a christian, who seems to have forgotten the most important guiding priciple of the Commandments: Thou shall not kill. The hate you have spewed in your messages above is also un-christian. Jeff, ask God to forgive you, for you may end up in the same place as Saddam.
thank you for pointing out that the Commandments and the Gospels are meant to be a guide for Christians. I'm presuming you are a christian, who seems to have forgotten the most important guiding priciple of the Commandments: Thou shall not kill. The hate you have spewed in your messages above is also un-christian. Jeff, ask God to forgive you, for you may end up in the same place as Saddam.
Posted by: Philip at January 02, 2007 11:28 PM (E80+l)
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A lot of activity! Well, I just read the news, and it looks like I was right: the hanging is starting to backfire. Just about everyone around the world is pissed - even those for whom the death penatly is a way of expressing devotion to Christ.
A lot of activity! Well, I just read the news, and it looks like I was right: the hanging is starting to backfire. Just about everyone around the world is pissed - even those for whom the death penatly is a way of expressing devotion to Christ.
Posted by: Pink Flower at January 02, 2007 11:30 PM (AA/Rk)
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White Trash Wannabe:
I know you're a moron, but do you have any point to make at all? That fake preacher Fred Phelps used Leviticus to try and justify his sick rantings. So what? Are you really shit for brains stupid enough to believe killing fags like you is a Christian doctrine?
The Ancient priestly tribe of Leviticus didn't kill homosexuals whenever they found them, and any loose rules governing ancient hebrew tribal life don't apply to modern Christians, you unmitigated cretin. In case you didn't notice, we don't live in tents, tend goats, arrange marriages and own slaves.
Christians use the Ten commandments and the Gospels to guide their lives, not Leviticus. You brain dead lefties always quote Leviticus because you're too ignorant to understand a religion you don't belong to, and you foolishly think you can use Leviticus to smear Christianity as a violent religion. Geeks like you just regurgitate the empty arguments written by other leftists who are equally ignorant.
The Bible was compiled for a reason, and that reason wasn't because whatever a Christian does is Christianity. What kind of nonsense is that? The Commandments and the Gospels are meant to guide people, not the other way around, nit-wit.
If you cant understand what I wrote about martyrs, it's because you're amazingly stupid. I can appreciate a good insult, or some imaginative profanity, but you aren't even capable of that. Your comments are like mongoloid rap for 8 year olds. As fun as it is to stomp on left-wing imbeciles (is there any other kind?) I'm not going to bother with you any more. You're just too stupid, too bizzarre, too gay, and too tedious. Try not to fall off the short bus, retard.
I know you're a moron, but do you have any point to make at all? That fake preacher Fred Phelps used Leviticus to try and justify his sick rantings. So what? Are you really shit for brains stupid enough to believe killing fags like you is a Christian doctrine?
The Ancient priestly tribe of Leviticus didn't kill homosexuals whenever they found them, and any loose rules governing ancient hebrew tribal life don't apply to modern Christians, you unmitigated cretin. In case you didn't notice, we don't live in tents, tend goats, arrange marriages and own slaves.
Christians use the Ten commandments and the Gospels to guide their lives, not Leviticus. You brain dead lefties always quote Leviticus because you're too ignorant to understand a religion you don't belong to, and you foolishly think you can use Leviticus to smear Christianity as a violent religion. Geeks like you just regurgitate the empty arguments written by other leftists who are equally ignorant.
The Bible was compiled for a reason, and that reason wasn't because whatever a Christian does is Christianity. What kind of nonsense is that? The Commandments and the Gospels are meant to guide people, not the other way around, nit-wit.
If you cant understand what I wrote about martyrs, it's because you're amazingly stupid. I can appreciate a good insult, or some imaginative profanity, but you aren't even capable of that. Your comments are like mongoloid rap for 8 year olds. As fun as it is to stomp on left-wing imbeciles (is there any other kind?) I'm not going to bother with you any more. You're just too stupid, too bizzarre, too gay, and too tedious. Try not to fall off the short bus, retard.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 11:33 PM (abVz3)
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To all the simpletons claiming "we" got the wrong man because Saddam wasn't Bin Loser: Bin loser isn'nt the only animal on the list, and he didn't have planes flown into iraqi buildings.
Just how stupid can a human being be? I'm ashamed just to be a menber of the same species as you mouth breathers.
Just how stupid can a human being be? I'm ashamed just to be a menber of the same species as you mouth breathers.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 02, 2007 11:37 PM (abVz3)
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Jeff, I suspect that the reason you won't bother with me anymore is that you finally realized that I have been baiting you. And you have been falling for it - almost all of it. Ha ha ha. I guess the fun had to end sooner or later. At least you figured it out (but I did tell you in another post). Anyway, it's a bit scary now that I think about it, because by baiting you I kept you behind me, which means that you have been staring at my anus.
Posted by: white at January 02, 2007 11:39 PM (AA/Rk)
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Hi Dan, do you shave your balls?
Posted by: white at January 02, 2007 11:42 PM (AA/Rk)
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Princess, you turn me on! Just like those skinhead chicks on myspace (Riverside has a lot of these girls - search "skinhead riverside female"). Check 'em out - they are stupid as fuck but fucking hot! I feel a bit guitly for being turned on by those chicks, but hey, a little honesty goes a long way!
Posted by: white at January 02, 2007 11:49 PM (AA/Rk)
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WHERE IN THE F&%# IS OSAMA???
Leftards believe Bush brought down the towers-- fior "oil"-- but they also claim to want Osama's head on a stick, proving once again their uncanny ability to hold two mutually opposing ideas in their head at once. These are the braniac Liberals we keep hearing about.
Leftards believe Bush brought down the towers-- fior "oil"-- but they also claim to want Osama's head on a stick, proving once again their uncanny ability to hold two mutually opposing ideas in their head at once. These are the braniac Liberals we keep hearing about.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 02, 2007 11:53 PM (8e/V4)
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Listen.. Saddam may of done terrible things, hurt and killed plenty of people in terrible ways.. Yes its wrong what he did.. But none of you have the right to pass Judgement, he has paid his due for the atrocities that he has commited..
Your satisfaction in his death makes you no better than him.. It was done for punishment and peace.. A casualty of war. What about our soldiers that have died, they have killed, yet you pass no judgement on them, and yes many of them did kill innocents despite what CNN tells you, Its war.. Should they have killed Saddam? Yeah..But now he's square with the house. What does it matter how he died the result is the same.
Now he faces his true judgement.. Saddam I believe was an evil man, Bush I believe is an evil man. But what is to become of either of them is not my call..nor is it yours.. With understanding comes respect.. You all have your beliefs, and me being a Christian I know that all of you who are condemning Saddam and cursing his name are Christian or have Christian background as well.. It's in how quickly your ready to hang or curse or Damn someone.. Christ would be thrilled to see what has become of the people that carry his name,I won't judge any of you, its not my place, we all sin, as Saddam has, he too rejoiced in the death of others. So watch your character and don't let it slip because of this evil man.. Hold true to who you are..
So now, I go and watch Southpark I think it's the episode where Saddam gets ass raped by the devil.. Its one of my favorites..
Your satisfaction in his death makes you no better than him.. It was done for punishment and peace.. A casualty of war. What about our soldiers that have died, they have killed, yet you pass no judgement on them, and yes many of them did kill innocents despite what CNN tells you, Its war.. Should they have killed Saddam? Yeah..But now he's square with the house. What does it matter how he died the result is the same.
Now he faces his true judgement.. Saddam I believe was an evil man, Bush I believe is an evil man. But what is to become of either of them is not my call..nor is it yours.. With understanding comes respect.. You all have your beliefs, and me being a Christian I know that all of you who are condemning Saddam and cursing his name are Christian or have Christian background as well.. It's in how quickly your ready to hang or curse or Damn someone.. Christ would be thrilled to see what has become of the people that carry his name,I won't judge any of you, its not my place, we all sin, as Saddam has, he too rejoiced in the death of others. So watch your character and don't let it slip because of this evil man.. Hold true to who you are..
So now, I go and watch Southpark I think it's the episode where Saddam gets ass raped by the devil.. Its one of my favorites..
Posted by: Mark at January 02, 2007 11:54 PM (Tfx9J)
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Got this info from an article on MSN. It tells what was being yelled at Saddam just before his execution:
In the leaked video, which could not be independently verified by the AP, one voice called: “Allah, bless those who pray for Muhammad and his descendants. Allah, pray for Muhammad and his descendants and may they bring us their help soon and curse their enemies and back their son Muqtada, Muqtada, Muqtada.â€
Saddam then asked, “Is this manly?â€
A voice responded, “To hell.â€
Another voice called out, “Long live Mohammed Baqir al-Sadr†— a reference to the Dawa Party founder and Shiite cleric who was executed along with his sister by Saddam in 1980.
In the leaked video, which could not be independently verified by the AP, one voice called: “Allah, bless those who pray for Muhammad and his descendants. Allah, pray for Muhammad and his descendants and may they bring us their help soon and curse their enemies and back their son Muqtada, Muqtada, Muqtada.â€
Saddam then asked, “Is this manly?â€
A voice responded, “To hell.â€
Another voice called out, “Long live Mohammed Baqir al-Sadr†— a reference to the Dawa Party founder and Shiite cleric who was executed along with his sister by Saddam in 1980.
Posted by: Lisa at January 02, 2007 11:55 PM (QQxm0)
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Yes;
Jews are shit. Very sophisticated argument. Par for the course when it comes to stupid anti-Semites. I'm sure jews everywhere are heartbroken by what you said.
Saddam is dead. Cry, cry, baby.
Jews are shit. Very sophisticated argument. Par for the course when it comes to stupid anti-Semites. I'm sure jews everywhere are heartbroken by what you said.
Saddam is dead. Cry, cry, baby.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 03, 2007 12:01 AM (abVz3)
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Well what another lovely barbaric act. All in the name of greed, money and power. Please protect all the young children in the world from these obscene images. Unfortunately greed continues to force humanity down a path of total obliteration..eventually,and the worlds leaders are all heading down this path. Oil, carcinogens, chemicals, all in the pursuit of material happiness...how funny is that.. consume - throw away.. next..such behaviour. so many lessons still to be learnt. The Western economies poison there own people daily with chemical poisons in there food chain, knowing the future implications, without batting an eyelid.. omg.. its just so funny really.
So many people dumbed down by these governments....
We need social order and yes we need leaders.
but not from these crazed materialistic monsters.
Have a fabulous day.. and remember
wherever you go there you are.
ciao
So many people dumbed down by these governments....
We need social order and yes we need leaders.
but not from these crazed materialistic monsters.
Have a fabulous day.. and remember
wherever you go there you are.
ciao
Posted by: mantana at January 03, 2007 12:03 AM (UXCpS)
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 03, 2007 12:05 AM (abVz3)
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Bring on Osama!!!!
Posted by: Len at January 03, 2007 12:16 AM (VKyJY)
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Zachary Asshat:
Sand Ticks like you aren't even worth the price of the bullet it would take to blow you away. No, Americans don't want to kill Jews. We're not Nazis or dune coons, we're human beings.
Your hero saddam was killed by his own people. Just goes to show you: everybody hates rag-heads--even other rag-heads. If you're pissed off about it tough guy, join Al Qaeda and head to iraq.
Pussy.
Sand Ticks like you aren't even worth the price of the bullet it would take to blow you away. No, Americans don't want to kill Jews. We're not Nazis or dune coons, we're human beings.
Your hero saddam was killed by his own people. Just goes to show you: everybody hates rag-heads--even other rag-heads. If you're pissed off about it tough guy, join Al Qaeda and head to iraq.
Pussy.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 03, 2007 12:17 AM (abVz3)
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This is so sad. He did not deserve to be hanged.
Posted by: everardo at January 03, 2007 12:17 AM (YqZFp)
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I have a few questions for you evolution geeks out there.
If the earth is 4.5 billion years old why do we only have something over seven thousand years worth of helium in the atmosphere? Helium is the natural product of radioactive decay and if the earth is billions of years old there should be billions of years worth of helium.
At the rate wich the earth's magnetic field is dying, if the earth is 4.5 billion years old why do we still have a magnetic field? If the earth were billions of years old it would have already cooled to solid rock and there would be no magnetic field.
Why is there still 20,000 puonds per square inch pressure in the oil pools since that pressure could not last for more than 10,000 years? It would have leaked through the permeable cap of rock over the oil pool.
Correct me if I'm wrong about any of this.
If the earth is 4.5 billion years old why do we only have something over seven thousand years worth of helium in the atmosphere? Helium is the natural product of radioactive decay and if the earth is billions of years old there should be billions of years worth of helium.
At the rate wich the earth's magnetic field is dying, if the earth is 4.5 billion years old why do we still have a magnetic field? If the earth were billions of years old it would have already cooled to solid rock and there would be no magnetic field.
Why is there still 20,000 puonds per square inch pressure in the oil pools since that pressure could not last for more than 10,000 years? It would have leaked through the permeable cap of rock over the oil pool.
Correct me if I'm wrong about any of this.
Posted by: Archy at January 03, 2007 12:19 AM (Yomls)
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Saddam deserves it. to be honest i got a little shook up over this video even though it was poor quality........but then i just remembered how sick and disgusting of a man he was. he of ALL people deserves it! karma is a BITCH!!!!! BURN IN HELL YOU SON OF A BITCH!!!
Posted by: bstops at January 03, 2007 12:21 AM (Ok807)
Posted by: Archy at January 03, 2007 12:31 AM (Yomls)
Posted by: rightproud at January 03, 2007 12:34 AM (AA/Rk)
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Cassie and Dan:
Happy New Year! There are plenty of normal people like us around here, but most of them don't have the patience to deal with nut-jobs, psychos and leftards on this thread. These are some of the sickest comments I've ever seen anywhere.
Happy New Year! There are plenty of normal people like us around here, but most of them don't have the patience to deal with nut-jobs, psychos and leftards on this thread. These are some of the sickest comments I've ever seen anywhere.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 03, 2007 12:34 AM (abVz3)
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Thou shall not kills means that you should not kill if you dont know the reason you dumy libril. We have death penalty right? Duh!!! We are christian country and we have death penalty because we have lots of people who are not doing it the right way. Duh!!!!!!! Do you want Saddam as your neihbor? I dont thinks so.r
Posted by: rightproud at January 03, 2007 12:41 AM (AA/Rk)
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Here's a few questions for you evolution geeks out there.
If the earth is 4.5 billion years old why do we only have something over seven thousand years worth of helium in the atmosphere? Helium is the natural product of radioactive decay and if the earth is billions of years old there should be billions of years worth of helium.
At the rate wich the earth's magnetic field is dying, if the earth is 4.5 billion years old why do we still have a magnetic field? If the earth were billions of years old it would have already cooled to solid rock and there would be no magnetic field.
Correct me if you think I'm wrong about all this.
If the earth is 4.5 billion years old why do we only have something over seven thousand years worth of helium in the atmosphere? Helium is the natural product of radioactive decay and if the earth is billions of years old there should be billions of years worth of helium.
At the rate wich the earth's magnetic field is dying, if the earth is 4.5 billion years old why do we still have a magnetic field? If the earth were billions of years old it would have already cooled to solid rock and there would be no magnetic field.
Correct me if you think I'm wrong about all this.
Posted by: Archy at January 03, 2007 12:46 AM (Yomls)
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hanging him was to damn easy!!! they should have beat his azz real bad and then befor he got beatin to death they could have killed him. but he did get the pay back he deserved!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Demetrius at January 03, 2007 12:49 AM (PI9QF)
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Don't get me wrong - the dude was a criminal on an Adolf level. But think about it - is the U.S. (that would be US) any better than him now? The whole thing was shady. G-Dub and his crew did it in typical drug dealer fashion - get someone else to do the dirty work and take the credit/blame just as long as the hidden agenda is fulfilled. I am not a fan of this tyrant, at all, but lets not pretend that this execution was anything less than what the "executed" was guilty of.
Posted by: Check_the_pulse at January 03, 2007 12:52 AM (cSH4u)
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Hi Jeff, you recently watched Full Metal Jacket. I can tell because your tortured prose resemembles the DI's - except that the DI's manner of speaking was accurate. And I can tell that you have been "borrowing" rather liberally from other Hollywood sources. Hehe! Anyhow, I am sure with more blog practice you'll get it right.
Posted by: Pink Flower at January 03, 2007 12:53 AM (AA/Rk)
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I only regret they weren't prepared to revive him so he could have been hung again and again. May the son of a bitch burn in hell for all eternity.
Posted by: Myron Williams at January 03, 2007 12:58 AM (Y9rkz)
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I only regret they weren't prepared to revive him so he could have been hung again and again. May the son of a bitch burn in hell for all eternity.
Posted by: Myron Williams at January 03, 2007 12:58 AM (Y9rkz)
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I only regret they weren't prepared to revive him so he could have been hung again and again. May the son of a bitch burn in hell for all eternity.
Posted by: Myron Williams at January 03, 2007 12:58 AM (Y9rkz)
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I only regret they weren't prepared to revive him so he could have been hung again and again. May the son of a bitch burn in hell for all eternity.
Posted by: Myron Williams at January 03, 2007 12:58 AM (Y9rkz)
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I only regret they weren't prepared to revive him so he could have been hung again and again. May the son of a bitch burn in hell for all eternity.
Posted by: Myron Williams at January 03, 2007 12:58 AM (Y9rkz)
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I only regret they weren't prepared to revive him so he could have been hung again and again. May the son of a bitch burn in hell for all eternity.
Posted by: Myron Williams at January 03, 2007 12:58 AM (Y9rkz)
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Sometimes it's just great to live in Canada. Neutrality is bliss.
BTW, I don't believe in death sentencing, although Saddam deserved to be punished, I think more appropriately, he should have been shoved in a dirty, poluted, infected, highly unhealthy jailcell until he's either completely forgotten by society, or he withers away into nothing. Killing him like so only glorifies his presence in that area of the world and fuels more conflict, not to mention, it's created a sympathetic stigma since he's branded by a hero by alot of retards.
'It's better to burn out, than it is to rust'. Who in God's/Muhammed's/Allah's/Budah's/Super Friends & Co's earth would give a flying fuck about Saddam in 2020 when he's like 90 years old and there are other radical leaders running around. I'm sure my kids sure as hell won't give a damn about some old saggy murderer. Now Saddam is going to be printed in every early 21st Century history book at tought to hundreds of millions of people like he was some kind of prominant historical figure, ala Hitler.
I don't want to step on any toes, but the lack of logic from people who are supposed to control the mindset of the freeworld is so utterly pathetic sometimes it makes me wonder how the world functions.
[/end rant]
BTW, I don't believe in death sentencing, although Saddam deserved to be punished, I think more appropriately, he should have been shoved in a dirty, poluted, infected, highly unhealthy jailcell until he's either completely forgotten by society, or he withers away into nothing. Killing him like so only glorifies his presence in that area of the world and fuels more conflict, not to mention, it's created a sympathetic stigma since he's branded by a hero by alot of retards.
'It's better to burn out, than it is to rust'. Who in God's/Muhammed's/Allah's/Budah's/Super Friends & Co's earth would give a flying fuck about Saddam in 2020 when he's like 90 years old and there are other radical leaders running around. I'm sure my kids sure as hell won't give a damn about some old saggy murderer. Now Saddam is going to be printed in every early 21st Century history book at tought to hundreds of millions of people like he was some kind of prominant historical figure, ala Hitler.
I don't want to step on any toes, but the lack of logic from people who are supposed to control the mindset of the freeworld is so utterly pathetic sometimes it makes me wonder how the world functions.
[/end rant]
Posted by: Snake at January 03, 2007 01:02 AM (nX1tV)
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execution of saddam hussein would be alot better is bush is being executed too altogether! aint it nice???..a dictator from one country and a dictator to too many countries and the head of the murderers and the biggest terrorist country in the world-USA!..what i great view im sure for the people of the world to watch!!..you reap what you sow!
Posted by: rosa at January 03, 2007 01:03 AM (dbGoL)
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No Religion:
Like all anti-religious bigots, you have to delve into the past to slam Christianity as a "violent" religion. As soon as you ignore reality and talk about people and events that are long gone to disparage people and events in the here and now, you've already lost the argument.
Only islam has a tradition of jihad, and only islam is practiced violently. Only islam commands its followers to murder and enslave all non-believers. You can walk into any Church on the planet on any day of the week, and you will not hear the Church's leader exhorting his congregation to commit murder and mayhem. Not so in the world's mosques.
Quite frankly, the past violence that was done in the name of Christianity would have been carried out regardless of what belief system the perpetrators had. The religion didn't twist them to a violent cause, they twisted the religion to a violent cause--and that includes some of the Medieval Popes. If the people who perverted Christ's teachings to justify their violence didn't have religion to use as an excuse, they would have used whatever else was at hand. You know that.
Not only was the Catholic Church the main sponsor of science for about 1000 years, but most of history's greatest scientists were devout Christians. I'm pretty sure Issac Newton didn't live in a cave, and he was the greatest genius known to history. He used science and reason to better understand religion and our place in the cosmos.
Darwin is quite popular among atheists, but he was no atheist himself.
You should read some theology. There's some wonderfully sophisticated stuff out there. I'm not Catholic, but the speech the Pope gave to a divinity school recently was fantastic. It was the one that set the koranimals off, trying to kill people because they thought someone had suggested their religion was violent. Now there's an example of the ugly side of religion. Unfortunately, the ugly side of islam is the only side.
Most Christians know they may be wrong about a higher power. That's why they call it faith. They want to believe, and you shouldn't begrudge them that.
You make the common atheist mistake of thinking Christians are stupid. More than 90% of Americans are Christian. You cant honestly believe they're all stupid. A good theologian could destroy either one of us in argument on any subject within minutes--even if he was deliberately arguing from the wrong side.
I don't hate atheists per se, I just have a problem with atheists who hate religion, and hate the religious. I hope you aren't one of those people. They seem to make up the majority of atheists. It bugs me that some people base their atheism on hatred of religion, like that Michael Newdow asshole. They seem to be deranged, spending an incedible amount of time attacking and attempting to discredit a something they claim they don't even believe in. Of course, Christianity is the main target, because it's America's main religion.
Christians don't prohibit atheists from practicing their faith in nihilism, and atheists shouldn't try to prohibit Christians from practicing their faith in God. Many atheists are like islamopithecines in that respect. Oppression is oppression, even if the oppresser believes he's right.
Like all anti-religious bigots, you have to delve into the past to slam Christianity as a "violent" religion. As soon as you ignore reality and talk about people and events that are long gone to disparage people and events in the here and now, you've already lost the argument.
Only islam has a tradition of jihad, and only islam is practiced violently. Only islam commands its followers to murder and enslave all non-believers. You can walk into any Church on the planet on any day of the week, and you will not hear the Church's leader exhorting his congregation to commit murder and mayhem. Not so in the world's mosques.
Quite frankly, the past violence that was done in the name of Christianity would have been carried out regardless of what belief system the perpetrators had. The religion didn't twist them to a violent cause, they twisted the religion to a violent cause--and that includes some of the Medieval Popes. If the people who perverted Christ's teachings to justify their violence didn't have religion to use as an excuse, they would have used whatever else was at hand. You know that.
Not only was the Catholic Church the main sponsor of science for about 1000 years, but most of history's greatest scientists were devout Christians. I'm pretty sure Issac Newton didn't live in a cave, and he was the greatest genius known to history. He used science and reason to better understand religion and our place in the cosmos.
Darwin is quite popular among atheists, but he was no atheist himself.
You should read some theology. There's some wonderfully sophisticated stuff out there. I'm not Catholic, but the speech the Pope gave to a divinity school recently was fantastic. It was the one that set the koranimals off, trying to kill people because they thought someone had suggested their religion was violent. Now there's an example of the ugly side of religion. Unfortunately, the ugly side of islam is the only side.
Most Christians know they may be wrong about a higher power. That's why they call it faith. They want to believe, and you shouldn't begrudge them that.
You make the common atheist mistake of thinking Christians are stupid. More than 90% of Americans are Christian. You cant honestly believe they're all stupid. A good theologian could destroy either one of us in argument on any subject within minutes--even if he was deliberately arguing from the wrong side.
I don't hate atheists per se, I just have a problem with atheists who hate religion, and hate the religious. I hope you aren't one of those people. They seem to make up the majority of atheists. It bugs me that some people base their atheism on hatred of religion, like that Michael Newdow asshole. They seem to be deranged, spending an incedible amount of time attacking and attempting to discredit a something they claim they don't even believe in. Of course, Christianity is the main target, because it's America's main religion.
Christians don't prohibit atheists from practicing their faith in nihilism, and atheists shouldn't try to prohibit Christians from practicing their faith in God. Many atheists are like islamopithecines in that respect. Oppression is oppression, even if the oppresser believes he's right.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 03, 2007 01:13 AM (abVz3)
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Hi Jeff, I'm glad you are still communicating with me even though I have been so mean to you. Riverdale, eh? What will kill me first? Ass-herpes probably, 'cause I already got it. And I think you noticed that 'cause you've been sniffing my asshole.
Intentional or unintentional, humor is humor. Learned that in elementary school.
The only thing I haven't figured out is this: your obsession with my blog name. I'd love to hear about it (my dick is in my hand right now). And the only thing that would turn me on more than that is if you turned out to be a skinhead chick with tattoos of German iconography.
Questioning my intelligence is hardly a put down, Jeff. You've got to use your head and come up with something more interesting than that. Humor would help. Any kind of humor. Tell us something about yourself, like how you came to your insane ideas. And please, I have been able to predict your responses almost every time, and it's starting to get a bit boring. I mean, shit dude, work on it. For instance, I messed with this lily chick and she came back with a fucking good one (look at yesterdays posts). Now, I dig that chick even if she has views that I disagree with. And please don't retort with "I don't care whether you dig me...blah blah blau." Just find something interesting or, well, bizarre! MOOT!
Intentional or unintentional, humor is humor. Learned that in elementary school.
The only thing I haven't figured out is this: your obsession with my blog name. I'd love to hear about it (my dick is in my hand right now). And the only thing that would turn me on more than that is if you turned out to be a skinhead chick with tattoos of German iconography.
Questioning my intelligence is hardly a put down, Jeff. You've got to use your head and come up with something more interesting than that. Humor would help. Any kind of humor. Tell us something about yourself, like how you came to your insane ideas. And please, I have been able to predict your responses almost every time, and it's starting to get a bit boring. I mean, shit dude, work on it. For instance, I messed with this lily chick and she came back with a fucking good one (look at yesterdays posts). Now, I dig that chick even if she has views that I disagree with. And please don't retort with "I don't care whether you dig me...blah blah blau." Just find something interesting or, well, bizarre! MOOT!
Posted by: white at January 03, 2007 01:18 AM (AA/Rk)
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I wish I could put everyone in a room and sit back and drink a beer and watch everyone duke it out. Last one standing I follow...there will never be peace in a world of hypocracy and different religions. Good for you for having relgions. Will it really matter when you are all dead. Keep believing what you believe while people around you die. You will never move forward by trying to fix the past.
Posted by: Jason at January 03, 2007 01:20 AM (x+KPn)
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Phillip:
The literal translation of "Thou shalt not kill" is actually "Thou shalt not commit murder."
"Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and render unto the Lord what is the Lord's," if I remember correctly.
The literal translation of "Thou shalt not kill" is actually "Thou shalt not commit murder."
"Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and render unto the Lord what is the Lord's," if I remember correctly.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 03, 2007 01:20 AM (abVz3)
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What is wrong with you people?
Sure, I agree Saddam's death was justified, but most of you are bringing other things into this message board. For instance, racism/religious discrimination! Where has this gotten you all? Nowhere! It never will. Give it up. Just stop being so cruel to eachother. People are people and most of you need to learn that speaking negativly to/about others will only cause harm. There are crazy murderers in every country in this world!!! It's not just in the east-- or the west for that matter. Wake up and take a good look around you, turn on your television and watch the news. It's sad but it is true. No one is perfect neither you nor I.
Sure, I agree Saddam's death was justified, but most of you are bringing other things into this message board. For instance, racism/religious discrimination! Where has this gotten you all? Nowhere! It never will. Give it up. Just stop being so cruel to eachother. People are people and most of you need to learn that speaking negativly to/about others will only cause harm. There are crazy murderers in every country in this world!!! It's not just in the east-- or the west for that matter. Wake up and take a good look around you, turn on your television and watch the news. It's sad but it is true. No one is perfect neither you nor I.
Posted by: Kind Harte at January 03, 2007 01:26 AM (KmZn3)
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GrungeBearer:
Saddam's well earned execution ruined your whole day, didn't it? No wonder London is now Londonistan. You've become dhimmies.
You don't have islamopithecines gang raping American women over here. You have all that and more. Gang rapes, murders, soaring petty crime, terrorists on street corners screeching death to britain, huge welfare rolls, wog programs on your public TV channels, pig pictures all but outlawed, the Cross of St George hauled off of flagpoles, etc.
Who's fucking stupid?
Saddam's well earned execution ruined your whole day, didn't it? No wonder London is now Londonistan. You've become dhimmies.
You don't have islamopithecines gang raping American women over here. You have all that and more. Gang rapes, murders, soaring petty crime, terrorists on street corners screeching death to britain, huge welfare rolls, wog programs on your public TV channels, pig pictures all but outlawed, the Cross of St George hauled off of flagpoles, etc.
Who's fucking stupid?
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 03, 2007 01:33 AM (abVz3)
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Hey Archy -
Helium is a very light atom, and some of the helium in the upper atmosphere can reach escape velocity simply via its temperature. Thermal escape of helium alone is not enough to account for its scarcity in the atmosphere, but helium in the atmosphere also gets ionized and follows the earth's magnetic field lines. When ion outflow is considered, the escape of helium from the atmosphere balances its production from radioactive elements (Lie-Svendsen and Rees 1996).
Helium is a very light atom, and some of the helium in the upper atmosphere can reach escape velocity simply via its temperature. Thermal escape of helium alone is not enough to account for its scarcity in the atmosphere, but helium in the atmosphere also gets ionized and follows the earth's magnetic field lines. When ion outflow is considered, the escape of helium from the atmosphere balances its production from radioactive elements (Lie-Svendsen and Rees 1996).
Posted by: SlimBimJim at January 03, 2007 01:34 AM (qtAGQ)
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Stink Flower:
Backfire Hell. The impotent whining coming from the scum of the Earth is beneath notice. You scuzzbuckets can snivel all you want. It ain't gonna do you a damn bit of good. HA, HA, HAH!
Backfire Hell. The impotent whining coming from the scum of the Earth is beneath notice. You scuzzbuckets can snivel all you want. It ain't gonna do you a damn bit of good. HA, HA, HAH!
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 03, 2007 01:36 AM (abVz3)
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Yesuck:
"I am proudly anti-Semitic, so calling me one doesn't do much good. And arabs are semites, so no, I am not crying about Saddam's death. I'd have killed him along with a lot of others - including you."
The term "anti-semite" has never been applied to wogs. There is no history of ant-wogism, hard as that is to believe. If ever a group of proto-hominids deserved to be persecuted, it's those lice eaters.
Kill me? Talk is for punks.
"I am proudly anti-Semitic, so calling me one doesn't do much good. And arabs are semites, so no, I am not crying about Saddam's death. I'd have killed him along with a lot of others - including you."
The term "anti-semite" has never been applied to wogs. There is no history of ant-wogism, hard as that is to believe. If ever a group of proto-hominids deserved to be persecuted, it's those lice eaters.
Kill me? Talk is for punks.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 03, 2007 01:41 AM (abVz3)
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Kind Harte,
I am not convinced that you are kind. But anyway, why stop being cruel to each other on this board? We can say shit here that we could never say in face-to-face communication. It's stuff that's on our minds, but stuff we always hold back for obvious reasons. I mean, at my workplace (University), if I said some of the crap I've posted here I'd get fired! So, this is a fun way to express discontent. And don't take all this so seriously. Take that fucking video seriously, 'cause that's fucking sick! And the death penalty is sick. And please don't come back with that "You like Saddam" stuff 'cause that's really starting to get boring. I don't care if someone jacks me up and slams my views, but try to do it in a novel or non-trivial way.
I am not convinced that you are kind. But anyway, why stop being cruel to each other on this board? We can say shit here that we could never say in face-to-face communication. It's stuff that's on our minds, but stuff we always hold back for obvious reasons. I mean, at my workplace (University), if I said some of the crap I've posted here I'd get fired! So, this is a fun way to express discontent. And don't take all this so seriously. Take that fucking video seriously, 'cause that's fucking sick! And the death penalty is sick. And please don't come back with that "You like Saddam" stuff 'cause that's really starting to get boring. I don't care if someone jacks me up and slams my views, but try to do it in a novel or non-trivial way.
Posted by: white at January 03, 2007 01:47 AM (AA/Rk)
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I hope we just bomb the shit out of that whole side of the globe and get on with our lives. This was a bitter sweet ending to Saddam ... it was too easy and there are so many other assholes out there with blood on their hands. It is for that reason people I love are over there fighting for our freedom and a lot of idiots in this country whine about it. If you don't like being protected by this country, MOVE!!!
Posted by: Kill 'em all at January 03, 2007 01:48 AM (YHvEC)
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White Trash:
It cracks me up how capering little buffoons like you fancy yourselves as being clever. You're not even clever enough to write something funny. Not intentionally, anyway. You seem to have a terminal case of mental retardation. The only question is what will kill you first: the retardation, the ass herpes, the AIDS, or blood poisoning from your crappy, homemade, Clay Aiken tattoo.
I'm not surprised you asked about dan's balls. The whitest thing about you is the mouthfuls you get.
And no, I don't care if you're someone I used to know from Riverdale. Fuck, but you're stupid.
It cracks me up how capering little buffoons like you fancy yourselves as being clever. You're not even clever enough to write something funny. Not intentionally, anyway. You seem to have a terminal case of mental retardation. The only question is what will kill you first: the retardation, the ass herpes, the AIDS, or blood poisoning from your crappy, homemade, Clay Aiken tattoo.
I'm not surprised you asked about dan's balls. The whitest thing about you is the mouthfuls you get.
And no, I don't care if you're someone I used to know from Riverdale. Fuck, but you're stupid.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 03, 2007 01:53 AM (abVz3)
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it is very clear that the cellphone video was ment to be taken. because you catn just stand there with you phone sticking out and hope no1 notices it. And i think this is because america has finally realised they have lost the war they have left Iraq in a far worse condition this would be the ideal way to pull out of iraq blame everything on the clashes b/w shia muslims.
Posted by: Usman Shah at January 03, 2007 02:16 AM (XVVk6)
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i read all comment, and i laughed... i heard that american are so stupid but now i am so sure that they are... you don't even know what really happened in there, you just saw a guy being executed by "the f***in' american democratie"...
believe it or not SADDAM is considered a martyr in the eyes of 1 000 000 000 arab and muslim people, and bush is so lucky cause we are under the hands of some bush's toy and we cannot react..
by the way, we say peace upon Mohamed, but we also say piss upon all American Rubin
an advise for all american: please try to wake up...you are so stupid
believe it or not SADDAM is considered a martyr in the eyes of 1 000 000 000 arab and muslim people, and bush is so lucky cause we are under the hands of some bush's toy and we cannot react..
by the way, we say peace upon Mohamed, but we also say piss upon all American Rubin
an advise for all american: please try to wake up...you are so stupid
Posted by: TOUNSI at January 03, 2007 02:32 AM (uO9Bk)
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Dear Bleeding Heart Liberals:
Saddam's execution was far less painless than any hangings done next door in Iran. Meantime, aHAmeniJihad's regime enjoys continued growth in hangings which are done by "short drop" or "no drop" hangings which are the longest and most painful ways to kill people. Where the fuck are your complaints about that.
Where the fuck are you liberals and Europeasers to complain where there are scores of people dying in Iran for all kinds of non-capital offenses!?
Oh wait, I forgot: the Eurotrash kleptocrats have to get their fill of doing business deals with Iran.
Why the fuck should we care about according dignity to saDamn in his final moments!? By the way, Iranians enjoy public executions all the time and it is not uncommon for the crowds to taunt the condemned (many of whom are innocent).
Sith is happening next door in Iran and you don't want to acknowledge the evil force emanating from there.
Instead, you are looking for ways to trash Bush and blame him for anything that happens.
Saddam's execution was far less painless than any hangings done next door in Iran. Meantime, aHAmeniJihad's regime enjoys continued growth in hangings which are done by "short drop" or "no drop" hangings which are the longest and most painful ways to kill people. Where the fuck are your complaints about that.
Where the fuck are you liberals and Europeasers to complain where there are scores of people dying in Iran for all kinds of non-capital offenses!?
Oh wait, I forgot: the Eurotrash kleptocrats have to get their fill of doing business deals with Iran.
Why the fuck should we care about according dignity to saDamn in his final moments!? By the way, Iranians enjoy public executions all the time and it is not uncommon for the crowds to taunt the condemned (many of whom are innocent).
Sith is happening next door in Iran and you don't want to acknowledge the evil force emanating from there.
Instead, you are looking for ways to trash Bush and blame him for anything that happens.
Posted by: maddaS at January 03, 2007 02:33 AM (43efD)
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" Justice need not only to be done but must be seen to be done". For Saddam justice may have been done but the circumstances under which it has been done seem not to meet the standand of seeing justice done. For the trial, sentence and execution of Saddam seem to be an extended war between him and George W. Bush thus making his trial, seemingly, impartial and biased.
Posted by: Iven Mulenga at January 03, 2007 02:35 AM (jpy4I)
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Saddam deserved greater pain than that for what he has caused. That was too quick of a death and executions are evil! and Wrong!. But he is too evil to have such an easy death. He should have been Tortured for days and have himself a slow death on his own time with no one to kill him. Although I am not fully with executions to anyone because it is cruel for they are humans like all of us... He deserved it. Because I Am American!;And I Wouldn't Let This Go!
Posted by: Jennifer at January 03, 2007 02:40 AM (JcyCE)
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I am very thankful to Almighty Allah on the execution of the BLOODY SADDAM.
CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL MY MUSLIM BROTHERTS AND SISTERS AROUND THE WORLD.
TRY TO SHOW UNITY AND FIGHT AGAINST ANOTHER SADDAM "GROGE W BUSH"
HE IS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE DEVIL ON THE EARTH.
CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL MY MUSLIM BROTHERTS AND SISTERS AROUND THE WORLD.
TRY TO SHOW UNITY AND FIGHT AGAINST ANOTHER SADDAM "GROGE W BUSH"
HE IS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE DEVIL ON THE EARTH.
Posted by: SYED KARRAR HUSSAIN RIZVI at January 03, 2007 02:40 AM (VccAG)
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does usa media passes what happened in Iraq, Afghanistan? they just passed some civilian people (most of them are women and children) and they say we killed terrorists and American people believes that shit...
but what you ignore is that WE DON4T GIVE A SHIT FOR WHAT DOES AMERICAN THINKS
ha ha ha ha ha ha... heuh
but what you ignore is that WE DON4T GIVE A SHIT FOR WHAT DOES AMERICAN THINKS
ha ha ha ha ha ha... heuh
Posted by: TOUNSI at January 03, 2007 02:50 AM (uO9Bk)
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That is horrible, I should have been able to put it in his butt first. What a shame. Oh well theres plenty of crazy islams to fuck in the butt right
Posted by: 50 at January 03, 2007 02:50 AM (fRB2k)
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thank god he got what he desired fuck him
Posted by: dr dickweed at January 03, 2007 02:52 AM (fRB2k)
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VEGENCE IS FOR THE LORD. LIFE IS GOD GIVEN. NOONE HAS A RIGHT TO TAKE AWAY ANOTHER MAN'S LIFE. THE BEST PUNISHMENT FOR SADAM WAS LIFE IMPRISONMEMNT. BUSH AND BLAIR WILL SURELY FACE THE WRATH OF GOD ONE DAY.
Posted by: ISAAC at January 03, 2007 02:55 AM (Zfmy0)
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Hello, Syed Karrar...
The Bush-bashing addiction never ceases to amaze me. I find it intellectually incongruent for you to be happy about saddam's death yet still equate Bush with the devil. Was it not Bush who pushed for Saddam's overthrow?
I guess I'm a crazy and/or stupid American to not understand this apparent contradiction, but it seems that for Muslims to decry America's intervention which led to saddam's demise is like biting the hand that feeds you.
Speaking of the American "hand" feeding Muslims through America's purchase of petroleum from Muslim countries: would you complain if we started to cut back on petroleum consumption because we're starting to buy more hybrid vehicles? Does Islam have a problem with us trying to be less reliant on your oil? Should I worry about my Toyota Prius hybrid being targeted by an improvised roadside bomb?
The Bush-bashing addiction never ceases to amaze me. I find it intellectually incongruent for you to be happy about saddam's death yet still equate Bush with the devil. Was it not Bush who pushed for Saddam's overthrow?
I guess I'm a crazy and/or stupid American to not understand this apparent contradiction, but it seems that for Muslims to decry America's intervention which led to saddam's demise is like biting the hand that feeds you.
Speaking of the American "hand" feeding Muslims through America's purchase of petroleum from Muslim countries: would you complain if we started to cut back on petroleum consumption because we're starting to buy more hybrid vehicles? Does Islam have a problem with us trying to be less reliant on your oil? Should I worry about my Toyota Prius hybrid being targeted by an improvised roadside bomb?
Posted by: maddaS at January 03, 2007 02:56 AM (43efD)
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VEGENCE IS FOR THE LORD. LIFE IS GOD GIVEN. NOONE HAS A RIGHT TO TAKE AWAY ANOTHER MAN'S LIFE. THE BEST PUNISHMENT FOR SADAM WAS LIFE IMPRISONMEMNT. THE MAN BEHIND THIS WILL SURELY FACE THE WRATH OF GOD ONE DAY. TIME WILL TELL
Posted by: ISAAC at January 03, 2007 02:56 AM (Zfmy0)
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Isaac:
Vengence is for the lord? Holy shit! Keep that fucker away from me. But I do agree with your other point: "The punishment for Saddam was life imprisonment with Jeff." Yeeehaw!
Vengence is for the lord? Holy shit! Keep that fucker away from me. But I do agree with your other point: "The punishment for Saddam was life imprisonment with Jeff." Yeeehaw!
Posted by: white at January 03, 2007 03:07 AM (AA/Rk)
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Maddas:
Bush-loving never ceases to amaze me. My god! I am democrat, but I wouldn't think of defending Johnson after Vietnam!!! Well, you ain't stupid or crazy necessarily, but you sure are a fucking republican!!! However, if you are a skinhead chick with tattoos, send me your number (and keep your god damn mouth shut and cook me dinner!).
Bush-loving never ceases to amaze me. My god! I am democrat, but I wouldn't think of defending Johnson after Vietnam!!! Well, you ain't stupid or crazy necessarily, but you sure are a fucking republican!!! However, if you are a skinhead chick with tattoos, send me your number (and keep your god damn mouth shut and cook me dinner!).
Posted by: white at January 03, 2007 03:14 AM (AA/Rk)
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Most of the above comments look to be written by either fucking jews or scumbag americans. Jews are the scum of the earth, if hitler had of done the job right we wouldn't have the problems that we have in this world today. America is a tyrant who is run by fucking jews. 9-11 was horrible, now you know what it feels like, try living in Gaza, the west bank, ramallah then you would see what terror is. Saddam was right, palestine is Arab and God is great!!!!
Miceal (Northern Ireland)
Miceal (Northern Ireland)
Posted by: john doe at January 03, 2007 03:23 AM (eAepr)
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Hello John Doe,
Thanks for you comments. We've all changed our minds now! Did you learn that in your communication class sponsored by the IRA? I've been to Ireland and the Middle East, and frankly, I couldn't see much god damn different - except that in general Arabs are pretty nice people.
Thanks for you comments. We've all changed our minds now! Did you learn that in your communication class sponsored by the IRA? I've been to Ireland and the Middle East, and frankly, I couldn't see much god damn different - except that in general Arabs are pretty nice people.
Posted by: white at January 03, 2007 03:29 AM (AA/Rk)
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There is no justice in a man taking another mans life.
Posted by: shona at January 03, 2007 03:32 AM (j7wx/)
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I am amazed at some of the comments on here.
Yes, Saddam deserved everything he got, he was a cruel dictator. Filthy Arabs? Has the person concerned (i presume he/she is american) ever lived amongst Arabs or even been outside the usa?
I thought the whole idea of Bush instigating the war was for democracy, tolerance and freedom. Well if this is an example of USA freedom, tolerance and democracy u can keep it thank you. We europeans prefer our own version. As for the twin towers Saddam would not even allow Al Queada into Iraq for the simple reason he looked down on them. Bush, however, is the best recruitment officer Al Queada could have wished for. Also regarding the twin towers looking closer to home for the culprits of that one is well suggested, as a lot of those involved have grave concerns about too. (details too long to put on here but look at the video footage and decide just how many explosions there were on how many floors and why such buildings collapsed as they did so neatly whilst other similar structures hit by planes still stand today etc.) Why did american officials meet Bin Laden only a few months before and why was he treated in an american hospital?
There is a dvd going round the usa and reached europe a few months back called Loose Change made by survivors and rescue teams of 9/11 watch it, it will really make u think.
We also think it astounding that a nation who contributed to the IRA funds so they could kill hundreds of innocent people in ireland and the rest of the uk over numerous years, should suddenly be aware of the how terrorism really feels when u are on the receiving end. Not nice is it?
Come on Americans, wake up to what is really happening, question your leaders, don't just accept everything u are told by them or in the news, you have lost 3000 good men so far in a futile war and for what? We have lost a lot of good men too and are asking ourselves exactly that.
Be the great people u are, but wake up.
Yes, Saddam deserved everything he got, he was a cruel dictator. Filthy Arabs? Has the person concerned (i presume he/she is american) ever lived amongst Arabs or even been outside the usa?
I thought the whole idea of Bush instigating the war was for democracy, tolerance and freedom. Well if this is an example of USA freedom, tolerance and democracy u can keep it thank you. We europeans prefer our own version. As for the twin towers Saddam would not even allow Al Queada into Iraq for the simple reason he looked down on them. Bush, however, is the best recruitment officer Al Queada could have wished for. Also regarding the twin towers looking closer to home for the culprits of that one is well suggested, as a lot of those involved have grave concerns about too. (details too long to put on here but look at the video footage and decide just how many explosions there were on how many floors and why such buildings collapsed as they did so neatly whilst other similar structures hit by planes still stand today etc.) Why did american officials meet Bin Laden only a few months before and why was he treated in an american hospital?
There is a dvd going round the usa and reached europe a few months back called Loose Change made by survivors and rescue teams of 9/11 watch it, it will really make u think.
We also think it astounding that a nation who contributed to the IRA funds so they could kill hundreds of innocent people in ireland and the rest of the uk over numerous years, should suddenly be aware of the how terrorism really feels when u are on the receiving end. Not nice is it?
Come on Americans, wake up to what is really happening, question your leaders, don't just accept everything u are told by them or in the news, you have lost 3000 good men so far in a futile war and for what? We have lost a lot of good men too and are asking ourselves exactly that.
Be the great people u are, but wake up.
Posted by: Concerned at January 03, 2007 03:35 AM (Gjp5U)
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happy new year
Posted by: Akbar at January 03, 2007 03:37 AM (dWhCX)
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Shona,
You rock. And I agree with you!
Now, how the fuck do we convince our fellow Americans of that?
You rock. And I agree with you!
Now, how the fuck do we convince our fellow Americans of that?
Posted by: white at January 03, 2007 03:39 AM (AA/Rk)
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neva gained no respect bush
Posted by: Gunzafer at January 03, 2007 03:39 AM (dWhCX)
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It is out of our control how justice occurs. It is Saddams fate that leads the world to view his death in this manner. It is a situation to contemplate. The inhumane arguing, harrassing and indeed scraggy dull dirty looking environment the deed was done, does not bring any joy to me. I would ask why the IRAQIS are so uncontollable at that moment. Out of control without class. Why should we be impressed with a show of what they would really like to do to others. This gross behaviour on one of their own depicts the coolness and lack of conscience that exists in that society that plays upon our empathy for wars that will continue within their own submissive community and with the world at large. Ask an Iraqi how he treats his wife and children.......yeah right
Posted by: steven at January 03, 2007 03:45 AM (j7wx/)
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All US & the gank.
FYI, 11/9 might made 100% by intelligence operation. All of airplanes that hit those targets (WTC twin tower etc.) were guided by fully remote control (GPS,in building implant transmiter,camera etc). All passangers and air crews might be killed by poissonous gas which is implanted in the airplane and triggered out by remote control after take off. All documents and scenarios had been prepared properly to trapped Arab (moslem) people as an 11/9 executor. The aim of this 9/11 project is to support US for oil piping instalation over Afghanistan.
So you guys can imagine that who is the real executor? Killing their own (US) people to make justifiction for aggresion to Afghan.
It's very common in intelligence operation, and you guys never know about the reality ,because to less of knowledge and drinking to much alcohol and to much inhale cocaine.
Stop snob your US Big Bush , he was sick, really sick. You will be loosing many friends, familiy in the war field out of US, only for supporting his private oil business.
US enemies are not only Islam, no matter what is the religion (Russia, Colombia, Venezuela,Japan) as far as that country controvert to US policies then trouble will come to that counttry such as bomb explotion, riots between gov and gov opposition, civil war, military-civil war ,religion war and any kind of disintegration that made by intelligence operation.
Only God our better protector.
FYI, 11/9 might made 100% by intelligence operation. All of airplanes that hit those targets (WTC twin tower etc.) were guided by fully remote control (GPS,in building implant transmiter,camera etc). All passangers and air crews might be killed by poissonous gas which is implanted in the airplane and triggered out by remote control after take off. All documents and scenarios had been prepared properly to trapped Arab (moslem) people as an 11/9 executor. The aim of this 9/11 project is to support US for oil piping instalation over Afghanistan.
So you guys can imagine that who is the real executor? Killing their own (US) people to make justifiction for aggresion to Afghan.
It's very common in intelligence operation, and you guys never know about the reality ,because to less of knowledge and drinking to much alcohol and to much inhale cocaine.
Stop snob your US Big Bush , he was sick, really sick. You will be loosing many friends, familiy in the war field out of US, only for supporting his private oil business.
US enemies are not only Islam, no matter what is the religion (Russia, Colombia, Venezuela,Japan) as far as that country controvert to US policies then trouble will come to that counttry such as bomb explotion, riots between gov and gov opposition, civil war, military-civil war ,religion war and any kind of disintegration that made by intelligence operation.
Only God our better protector.
Posted by: NOAN at January 03, 2007 03:49 AM (//3d1)
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Anybody remember the name of the drug schizophrenics take? If you do, post it for Noan.
Posted by: white at January 03, 2007 03:54 AM (AA/Rk)
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when ever america has threat from anyone, he is executed. sadam was the only man who culd destroy america and israel. america is running after oil like a Dog after bone.
Posted by: Destroyer at January 03, 2007 03:57 AM (/BSo4)
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Destroyer:
Buy a history book on the cold war. Read it. Report back, tiger. We make mistakes, and Iraq was one big fucking mistake, but you are delusional.
Destroyer:
Buy a history book on the cold war. Read it. Report back, tiger. We make mistakes, and Iraq was one big fucking mistake, but you are delusional.
Posted by: white at January 03, 2007 04:00 AM (AA/Rk)
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Thanks White. I just would like to see people take a different look at what has occured. Maybe think about witholding harsh thoughts for a moment of empathy for maybe your neighbour having a bad time, your child or your best friends child. Comments are vivid feelings sent out to the world via internet. That is a powerful forum. We however are not powerful unless to our neighbours and family. We effect everything in a major way through minor deeds.
Posted by: shona at January 03, 2007 04:01 AM (j7wx/)
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Hi Shona, I agree with most of that. Except the harsh comments stuff. There are forums for gentle and thoughtful commments, and I am on them and write differently. But did you happen to notice that, at the top of this page, there's a video of man dying? I've been in the military, and seen nasty shit. I can say with 99% confidence that all of those blood thirsty cock-suckers on this board have never seen that, or they would never write in praise of it. I am sure of that. I am a member of several veteran groups.
The video is insane. And such insantity ought not be approached with tranquility. But thanks for the thoughts, they are appreciated.
Hi Shona, I agree with most of that. Except the harsh comments stuff. There are forums for gentle and thoughtful commments, and I am on them and write differently. But did you happen to notice that, at the top of this page, there's a video of man dying? I've been in the military, and seen nasty shit. I can say with 99% confidence that all of those blood thirsty cock-suckers on this board have never seen that, or they would never write in praise of it. I am sure of that. I am a member of several veteran groups.
The video is insane. And such insantity ought not be approached with tranquility. But thanks for the thoughts, they are appreciated.
Posted by: white at January 03, 2007 04:09 AM (AA/Rk)
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There is not much we can do. However, we can make our own choices about what is right and what is not. This was not an appropriate situation. The execution was crude. The UN should ask themselves if their own council is crude I'm thinking of Rawanda. I'm not ignoring crime on Husseins part. I'm asking if this is appropriate. I think not. Bush was probably pleased - The English minister seems transparent and weak he appeared to go for the ride in support but he did not look totally confident ab out Saddams hangng.
Posted by: shona at January 03, 2007 04:11 AM (j7wx/)
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There is not much we can do. However, we can make our own choices about what is right and what is not. This was not an appropriate situation. The execution was crude. The UN should ask themselves if their own council is crude I'm thinking of Rawanda. I'm not ignoring crime on Husseins part. I'm asking if this is appropriate. I think not. Bush was probably pleased - The English minister seems transparent and weak he appeared to go for the ride in support but he did not look totally confident ab out Saddams hangng.
Posted by: shona at January 03, 2007 04:12 AM (j7wx/)
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Cheers white. I'll take that on board. I believe we are thinking the similiar thought just expressing it differently. I know it does appear insane to me also. I feel sad people so freely make crucifying remark so easily, reminds me of Hitlers support teams. Dont anyone take that personally - just a personification of how people are generally so shallow. As a member of the public untravelled in that region I have to be convinced of a persons guilt. However even so there is no justice in man killing man under any circumstance. And I think of the Schapelle Corbys and others on death row in Thailand.
Posted by: shona at January 03, 2007 04:16 AM (j7wx/)
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That was winner's justice, for sure! This way, you guys in the US and GB will never ever be able to solve problems in that region. How can a country claim the leadership of the world that doesn't know the world at all? I feel sorry for you, guys!
Posted by: Mickey Mouse at January 03, 2007 04:21 AM (JZJSh)
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LOL
from what I've been reading here just tells me that most of you are just stupid sheeplike GOYS
from what I've been reading here just tells me that most of you are just stupid sheeplike GOYS
Posted by: Who cares at January 03, 2007 04:22 AM (pRJ1d)
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This is like Jeffganistan. The guy has no life but illegally occupying this message board.
Posted by: Lord Lardass at January 03, 2007 04:24 AM (ym/zg)
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Jeff, you are a stereotypical Christian extremist dumbass. And if you're not a Protestant loving, Martin Luther testicle-sucking fag then I feel sorry for you for sounding like one. Your WHOLE religion is based on LIES. Your church lies to you, your people lie to you, and most of all your fucking dumbass PANTHEONIC WAR DEITY YAHWEH lies to you. Don't call Arabs anti semitic you fag, they're semites too. Read a fucking book other than that Bible that belongs on top drawer of dirty ass motels because that book is the Prostitute of all prostitutes. It's been raped and pillaged by your own people, by the Romans, and it will continue to be fucked in the ass by YOUR leaders. The old testament says eye for an eye. Ok. So Yahweh told Joshua to kill everything that walked and moved, Jesus walked around overturning tables in the Temple like a rebelious lunatic, and Martin Luther had obsessive compulsive disorder. The sect of Protestanism was CREATED to overthrow the monopoly on the Holy Roman Empire that was held by the fucking French. It was furthered in fucking England so Henry VIII could shove his tiny dick in another woman to try and have a son as heir to the throne. Your fucking "CHRISTIAN" philanthropy is full of shit. You can shove it up your ass you pompous, self-deluded CHRISTIAN. There ARE good christians, but they dont go around mixing arabs with muslims mixing Islam with lies and such ignorant bullshit. ISLAM was the religion that gave rights to JEWS AND CHRISTIANS. That let them live peacefully together. And if you're so fucking blind as to think your religion doesnt SANCTION war, go read the Old Testament again and again. See idiots like you like to make up convenient little names that only YOU find clever, like "koranimals" and "AXIS OF EVIL" you dumbasses. put it in a fuckin fortune cookie and choke on it bitch. Your Popes used to invite prostitutes back in the city because the population would decrease whenthey were kicked out. YOUR POPE PIUS XII was caught in a fucking kodak moment BLESSING the endeavors of HITLER HIMSELF. YOU helped fund the holocaust. YOU initiated and carried through with the Spanish Inquisition. You wanna start talking about terrorism bitch? Get over yourself. YOU called the "HOLY WARS" YOU started known as the fucking CRUSADES, aka WARS OF THE CROSS. what to get the home of JESUS back? yeah fucking right. it's called rights to tax PILGRIMS and grow even filthier and richer. And 90% of you fucking morons don't even LEARN your own religion because denial is the easiest way out of centuries of lies and manipulation. IM GLAD SADAM'S DEAD. but dont act like you did the world a favor. go do africa a favor, go do latin america a favor, go do china a favor.. see a pattern? all these countries were destroyed by YOUR free trade bullshit. YOUR Protestant work ethic. You find it convenient as fuck to ignore what you want and magnify and twist what you need for your dumbass purposes. Shove your philathropy up your ass. I've undying respect for Christians who ACT like Christians, for Jews who ACT like Jews, and for Muslims who ACT like Muslims. Like GOD wants them to act. Not ignorant people full of hate like YOU. For you all I have is a reflective dialectic, think of it as my little Socratic method. My words are as UGLY as your beliefs. Go snap a WHAT WOULD JESUS DO BRACELET to your hand and shut the fuck up.
and if you reply back correcting irrelevant shit, you're a dumbass fag. I know Protestants and Catholics are different. I know Orthodox are different. I know ALL THE SUBTLTIES. SO SAVE YOURSELF THE TIME. And if I sound like im ACCUSING you of shit ignorant people (mind you leaders of your religion in YOUR case) did, and it seems a BIT unfair... LOOK AT WTF YOURE DOING. Blaming ALL of Islam for poor, distraught, manipulated, brainwashed VILLAGERS fighting in the name of "JIHAD"... I seriously cant stand 'Christian' Dumbasses like you. Dont even reply you waste of life hypocrite.
Also, the term FAG is used here very loosely to apply to those idiots who should be burned at the steak as were fags of wood (the original connotation of the word). I'm sorry if I offended any homosexuals, I in no way meant to associate you fine people with the likings of JEFF.
and if you reply back correcting irrelevant shit, you're a dumbass fag. I know Protestants and Catholics are different. I know Orthodox are different. I know ALL THE SUBTLTIES. SO SAVE YOURSELF THE TIME. And if I sound like im ACCUSING you of shit ignorant people (mind you leaders of your religion in YOUR case) did, and it seems a BIT unfair... LOOK AT WTF YOURE DOING. Blaming ALL of Islam for poor, distraught, manipulated, brainwashed VILLAGERS fighting in the name of "JIHAD"... I seriously cant stand 'Christian' Dumbasses like you. Dont even reply you waste of life hypocrite.
Also, the term FAG is used here very loosely to apply to those idiots who should be burned at the steak as were fags of wood (the original connotation of the word). I'm sorry if I offended any homosexuals, I in no way meant to associate you fine people with the likings of JEFF.
Posted by: TO JEFF, the personification of STUPIDITY at January 03, 2007 04:29 AM (Fydrb)
525
Hi Mickey, thanks for feeling sorry for us - though not many of us really care that you do. But it's good that you mentioned GB; they've been trying to take the moral high ground lately, but they've been worse all along! Bush is stupid, Blair isn't. So why the fuck didn't he stand up? Because he's a wimp.
We'll never be able to solve the problems of the world? Maybe we shouldn't be trying. Maybe Europe should have taken care of Kosovo. The problem is, they couldn't. Not at all. I was in the military at that time, and European organization was terrible and aimless.
But things change fast in this world. Never know. I admit it looks pretty bad now, but it looked pretty bad after Vietnam too, and Europeans were claiming the end of America at that time - didn't happen.
Hi Mickey, thanks for feeling sorry for us - though not many of us really care that you do. But it's good that you mentioned GB; they've been trying to take the moral high ground lately, but they've been worse all along! Bush is stupid, Blair isn't. So why the fuck didn't he stand up? Because he's a wimp.
We'll never be able to solve the problems of the world? Maybe we shouldn't be trying. Maybe Europe should have taken care of Kosovo. The problem is, they couldn't. Not at all. I was in the military at that time, and European organization was terrible and aimless.
But things change fast in this world. Never know. I admit it looks pretty bad now, but it looked pretty bad after Vietnam too, and Europeans were claiming the end of America at that time - didn't happen.
Posted by: white at January 03, 2007 04:31 AM (AA/Rk)
526
There will be peace in Iraq now that saddam is dead - not at once but it will come.
Posted by: walker at January 03, 2007 04:32 AM (0C6B/)
527
There will be peace in Iraq now that saddam is dead - not at once but it will come.
Posted by: walker at January 03, 2007 04:32 AM (0C6B/)
528
Yanks don't have a clue about running the world. THe most ignorant race on earth when it comes to knowledge about nations/cultures. Idiot Bush didn't even know that Sunnis and Shiaas existed in Iraq prior to the illegal invasion.
I am all for Nuke weapons esp for the likes of Iran/NK/Syria and etc. They need a strong deterent to stop the evil USA screwing up their lands.
Will GOd bless America? I don't think so !!!!
I am all for Nuke weapons esp for the likes of Iran/NK/Syria and etc. They need a strong deterent to stop the evil USA screwing up their lands.
Will GOd bless America? I don't think so !!!!
Posted by: Lord Loudass at January 03, 2007 04:32 AM (ym/zg)
529
There will be peace in Iraq now that saddam is dead - not at once but it will come.
Posted by: Walker at January 03, 2007 04:32 AM (0C6B/)
530
There will be peace in Iraq now that saddam is dead - not at once but it will come.
Posted by: Walker at January 03, 2007 04:32 AM (0C6B/)
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it seems like alot of people have lowered their standards, maybe close to Saddams level. Or even worse Bush's level. It seems people can not just execute a human being but also take their dignity because of anger and think that is how justice was able to be served. Now that he is dead, how can we make him feel remorse just once?
Posted by: VB Australia at January 03, 2007 04:38 AM (kEBep)
532
He shud of been tortured by gettin a finger chopped of every so often n then moving all over the body then left him alive in a gas chamba n killed him in there like he did to other people HOLA
Posted by: ryan at January 03, 2007 04:38 AM (eh0dl)
533
Truth is, that if you are a white English speaking leader of the "civilised" world, then you are exempt from justice.
Posted by: Uncle at January 03, 2007 04:43 AM (ym/zg)
534
911 was an inside job as well. Hang Bush for that !!!!
Posted by: Lord Lagaan at January 03, 2007 04:47 AM (ym/zg)
535
he was brave and live brave man and executed brave man 4ever this man really 4ever man and dont wory mokawama is bl to destroy bosh planing to destroy islamic life more God will show us that whose folow bosh planing will destroy soon
Posted by: taoufik at January 03, 2007 04:49 AM (PSj27)
536
How can english speaking white people be exempt from justice ? When many have died in various countries away from their families. Check out the beheading videos. Check out the Hitler tapes, his victims were also German blue eyed people, someones child or mother. Check out the many nuns and missionaries, check out the iraqi wives murdered by thier husbands in Australia for housekeeping flaws, Get in the real world Uncle and educate yourself perhaps. Better still go to bed.
Posted by: rachel at January 03, 2007 04:50 AM (j7wx/)
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I am sorry for my offensive behavior. You gotta excuse me as I have been under medication for severe depression and a serious drugs problem.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 03, 2007 04:51 AM (ym/zg)
538
Ryan would not like the gallows. Brave as he is. Brave and merciless
Posted by: slatvic at January 03, 2007 04:53 AM (j7wx/)
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Military is aimless at times. Military under jurisdiction commit crimes upon people. Saddam was not the only one. I do not advocate for him. The fact is military and government will take processes that in the end perhaps provide extra fuel, money, armament. What about water as it depletes ? Another war excuse ? Watch out if you are in the west, be very very negotiable and not lethargic in your leaders advice.
Posted by: SHONA at January 03, 2007 05:00 AM (j7wx/)
540
Taofik You are a nob.
Posted by: brendan at January 03, 2007 05:05 AM (j7wx/)
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Good point, VB Australia!
Posted by: white at January 03, 2007 05:07 AM (AA/Rk)
542
Lord Laagan Bush will not hang in the west. Not to say if he was challenged in court he may be accused and proved to have been responsible of thousands of deaths. Why ? - Because it is the West, justice, law and democracy. That which people are allowed, that is the point !
Where did Saddams hanging occur - ? Iraq.
Lord Laagan do your stuff ! Imbecile
Where did Saddams hanging occur - ? Iraq.
Lord Laagan do your stuff ! Imbecile
Posted by: swanton at January 03, 2007 05:12 AM (j7wx/)
543
to jeff and all the other conservative idiots: you just remind me of fuckin nationalists. that's all i've gotta say.
disapproval from switzerland
disapproval from switzerland
Posted by: phil at January 03, 2007 05:19 AM (GUkSx)
544
All US and the gank :
FYI, 11/9 might be made 100% by intelligence operation. All of airplanes that hit those targets (WTC twin tower etc.) were guided by fully remote control (GPS,in building implant transmiter,camera etc). All passangers and air crews might be killed by poissonous gas which is implanted in the airplane and triggered out by remote control after take off. All documents and scenarios had been prepared properly to trapped Arab (moslem) people as an 11/9 executor. The aim of this 9/11 project is to support US for oil piping instalation over Afghanistan.
So you guys can imagine that who is the real executor? Killing their own (US) people to make justifiction for aggresion to Afghan.
It's very common in intelligence operation, and you guys never know about the real because to less of knowledge and drinking to much alcohol and to much inhale cocaine.
Stop snob your US Big Bush , he was sick, really sick. You will be loosing many friends, familiy in the war field out of US, only for supporting his private oil business.
US enemies are not only Islam, no matter what is the religion (Russia, Colombia, Venezuela,Japan) as far as that country controvert to US policies then trouble will come to that counttry such as bomb explotion, riots between gov and gov opposition, civil war, military-civil war and any kind of disintegration that made by intelligence operation. Only God our better protector.
FYI, 11/9 might be made 100% by intelligence operation. All of airplanes that hit those targets (WTC twin tower etc.) were guided by fully remote control (GPS,in building implant transmiter,camera etc). All passangers and air crews might be killed by poissonous gas which is implanted in the airplane and triggered out by remote control after take off. All documents and scenarios had been prepared properly to trapped Arab (moslem) people as an 11/9 executor. The aim of this 9/11 project is to support US for oil piping instalation over Afghanistan.
So you guys can imagine that who is the real executor? Killing their own (US) people to make justifiction for aggresion to Afghan.
It's very common in intelligence operation, and you guys never know about the real because to less of knowledge and drinking to much alcohol and to much inhale cocaine.
Stop snob your US Big Bush , he was sick, really sick. You will be loosing many friends, familiy in the war field out of US, only for supporting his private oil business.
US enemies are not only Islam, no matter what is the religion (Russia, Colombia, Venezuela,Japan) as far as that country controvert to US policies then trouble will come to that counttry such as bomb explotion, riots between gov and gov opposition, civil war, military-civil war and any kind of disintegration that made by intelligence operation. Only God our better protector.
Posted by: Noan at January 03, 2007 05:21 AM (po7+i)
545
Dear Jeff,
It would nice that you explain us the difference between a court trial and a lynching, and specially why the first one is more moral.
Refering to European and canadian, are you explaning us that the US never supported Saddam ?
During the first Irak war of Bush's family, Saddam wasn't such a bad guy as everybody decided to stop at the border, and to let him do what he wanted on the other side. As long as Koweit oil was safe. Well, you will answer me that at that time nobody knew that Saddam was fabricating some terrible weapons with the help of his friend Bin Laden who had just decided to stop to work for the US.
I shouldn't be ironic. You're right. Irak is much better today.
But you are so enthusiastic. I wonder why you don't go also to risk your life there ? Don't you know that your government has some problem to find new recruits ? you should be a better patriot !
Well, good luck for the next Iran and Syria, once you can escape from the shit you are now. But take care to forget about North korea and China. It will be safer for you.
Sorry for my english, I am vietnamese with a french father, all what you like !
It would nice that you explain us the difference between a court trial and a lynching, and specially why the first one is more moral.
Refering to European and canadian, are you explaning us that the US never supported Saddam ?
During the first Irak war of Bush's family, Saddam wasn't such a bad guy as everybody decided to stop at the border, and to let him do what he wanted on the other side. As long as Koweit oil was safe. Well, you will answer me that at that time nobody knew that Saddam was fabricating some terrible weapons with the help of his friend Bin Laden who had just decided to stop to work for the US.
I shouldn't be ironic. You're right. Irak is much better today.
But you are so enthusiastic. I wonder why you don't go also to risk your life there ? Don't you know that your government has some problem to find new recruits ? you should be a better patriot !
Well, good luck for the next Iran and Syria, once you can escape from the shit you are now. But take care to forget about North korea and China. It will be safer for you.
Sorry for my english, I am vietnamese with a french father, all what you like !
Posted by: the vietcong at January 03, 2007 05:22 AM (LmSa+)
546
Phil, it would help if you qualify "nationalists." After all, you are living in a nation-state. And "romantic nationalism" - extending from Herder onward - shaped present day Europe. And not all of it is bad.
Phil, it would help if you qualify "nationalists." After all, you are living in a nation-state. And "romantic nationalism" - extending from Herder onward - shaped present day Europe. And not all of it is bad.
Posted by: white at January 03, 2007 05:23 AM (AA/Rk)
547
Time goes by... so slowly
Time goes by... so slowly
Time goes by... so slowly
Time goes by... so slowly
Time goes by... so slowly
Time goes by... so slowly
Every little thing that you say or do
I'm HUNG UP
I'm HUNG UP by you!!!
There you go you time wasters, don't come to us with all the prayers and white trash comments
we all know who satin really is now...
Time goes by... so slowly
Time goes by... so slowly
Time goes by... so slowly
Time goes by... so slowly
Time goes by... so slowly
Every little thing that you say or do
I'm HUNG UP
I'm HUNG UP by you!!!
There you go you time wasters, don't come to us with all the prayers and white trash comments
we all know who satin really is now...
Posted by: alcoholics at January 03, 2007 05:47 AM (+V6Mv)
548
What a fine lynch mob inhabits this netherspace. Just look at yourselves! Why bother, they lack the capacity for self-reflection.
Posted by: Limborismypotty at January 03, 2007 06:08 AM (jpdJf)
549
IF SADDAM WAS A KILLER THEN WHAT THE HELL IS BUSH??!!!
HE DESTROYED AFGHANISTAN, KILLED MANY INNOCENT SOULS AND BLOODY CALLS HIMSELF A PEACE MAKER!!
HE'LL BE HANGED THE SAME WAY!!
AND THEN WE SHALL REJOICE AND CELEBRATE!!
HOPE IT HAPPENS ON A CHRISMAS DAY!!!!!!!
WE HOPE!!!
HE DESTROYED AFGHANISTAN, KILLED MANY INNOCENT SOULS AND BLOODY CALLS HIMSELF A PEACE MAKER!!
HE'LL BE HANGED THE SAME WAY!!
AND THEN WE SHALL REJOICE AND CELEBRATE!!
HOPE IT HAPPENS ON A CHRISMAS DAY!!!!!!!
WE HOPE!!!
Posted by: maham at January 03, 2007 06:10 AM (guT/b)
550
Limborismypotty, help us reflect!
Posted by: white at January 03, 2007 06:23 AM (AA/Rk)
551
What short memories you yanks have. Not so
long ago Saddam was a friend & ally of the
usa, when Iraq was fighting Iran. Not only
did they supply him with weapons, but they
also trained Bin Laden. It just goes to show that American foreign policy sucks!
long ago Saddam was a friend & ally of the
usa, when Iraq was fighting Iran. Not only
did they supply him with weapons, but they
also trained Bin Laden. It just goes to show that American foreign policy sucks!
Posted by: tony at January 03, 2007 06:28 AM (nPutp)
552
Rarely has so much hate, ignorance, and unadulterated blathering brought such a tear of joy to my eye. I only regret that i could not speak to Jeff in person... the question of how many extra mutant limbs he must possess will sadly remain one of life's mysteries for me. Funny that he attacks so often the ad hominems of others.
This Jeff person is stupid, there is no doubt about it, but it is a special kind of stupid. When people who so clearly are not ignorant can so clearly also show they are utterly lacking in intelligence (I know... what exactly do we mean by intelligence? How shall we measure it?)... we are faced with a very rare individual indeed. They provide hours of entertainment! I thought I might enjoy clubbing him a bit, but in fact as this thread has steadily degenerated, it became clear that there would be very little pleasure in satirizing or otherwise making a spectacle of his limitations for the few onboard here who may appreciate it. Perhaps more fun to parade him around a bit, make him perform for us? But that has been done into the ground, sad to say. But to leave such a prize specimen alone entirely? To just forgo the opportunity to potshot at one of internet idiocy's elite?? Grr... its a dilemmea!
Sure, this post lacks virtually any substance whatsoever. Those who get it will get it, those who don't never would. Some of you may sympathize, having had similarly remorseful feelings upon realizing that the dead horse of Jeff-bashing can itself be bashed no more without bringing some shame to the flogger himself. And so I write in shame now. Pity I didn't discover this thread 48 hours ago. =(
Now... along with the chuckles, Jeff raised other emotions inside... i.e. anger and hate. Sure, i hate him for his great success at ruling this board and so dominantly making himself the benchmark and target for all other would-be kings. Like most very stupid people who are also impressivley aggressive (at least in the relative anonymity of an online flame festival), he is practically immune to attack. Nothing can stick because he will respond, almost without fail, in a dismissive sort of way that gives a very authentic looking impression of either superior argumentation (he has displayed some slight skill in argument, but the veneer is all that is needed for success in this forum, and he has REAMS of veneer!) or smashing rhetorical comebacks. Of course the comebacks are almost exclusively limited to vulgarity and bluster, but in sufficient quantity, hot air raises even the biggest balloons.
That is frustrating for someone like me. I feel almost reduced to wanting a physical challenge. Oh, no doubt this "big man" (?) would be satifying to whip, with all his talk of how cheap talk is and bullets and whatnot. I like seeing loud men cry. And since he has immunized himself from verbal fisticuffs on here, maybe that would be the happiest option after all... how about it Jeff? You threaten to infect the west coast with your presence at some point in the future... would you like to be embarrassed by a young man most likely your physical inferior in terms of size, but most assuredly your superior in terms of prowess and sheer martial capability? I am in the San Fernando Valley of California... maybe we could arrange a venue and include some of the participants in this forum who might enjoy seeing you embarrassed both intellectually and physically by a small, young guy? Oh, and so as to save you the standard musings... I am american, white, and well, yes I am gay but that should hardly matter, right? Ah... also athiest, rather contemptful of most religious people I have met, with plenty of exceptions of course (I begin with the same reservations one has toward any believers in ghosts and the supernatural, but plenty of religious folk have proven far saner than their belief systems would suggest). What else... oh, I am a libertarian, politically. Liberal in the tradidtional, lower-case meaning of the word. Have travelled a bit, but at 23, I still intend to do much more.
So how bout it? Will this message even get a response from you? Will you ignore it in hopes of seeming above it all? Doubtful... you seem to be too insecure to leave any personal impugn without some snarling reaction to prove your self worth.
I won't bother looking back to see what you say. Respond personally if you like... my email is blahblizzidy@yahoo.com. My name is Dymitri Karszewski. I would love to make you look stupid before an audience... you are too well insulated here for anyone to make you look worse than you do for yourself.
I am ashamed that you represent America here. Please apologize for your despicable comments. Ha, as if that might ever happen.
This Jeff person is stupid, there is no doubt about it, but it is a special kind of stupid. When people who so clearly are not ignorant can so clearly also show they are utterly lacking in intelligence (I know... what exactly do we mean by intelligence? How shall we measure it?)... we are faced with a very rare individual indeed. They provide hours of entertainment! I thought I might enjoy clubbing him a bit, but in fact as this thread has steadily degenerated, it became clear that there would be very little pleasure in satirizing or otherwise making a spectacle of his limitations for the few onboard here who may appreciate it. Perhaps more fun to parade him around a bit, make him perform for us? But that has been done into the ground, sad to say. But to leave such a prize specimen alone entirely? To just forgo the opportunity to potshot at one of internet idiocy's elite?? Grr... its a dilemmea!
Sure, this post lacks virtually any substance whatsoever. Those who get it will get it, those who don't never would. Some of you may sympathize, having had similarly remorseful feelings upon realizing that the dead horse of Jeff-bashing can itself be bashed no more without bringing some shame to the flogger himself. And so I write in shame now. Pity I didn't discover this thread 48 hours ago. =(
Now... along with the chuckles, Jeff raised other emotions inside... i.e. anger and hate. Sure, i hate him for his great success at ruling this board and so dominantly making himself the benchmark and target for all other would-be kings. Like most very stupid people who are also impressivley aggressive (at least in the relative anonymity of an online flame festival), he is practically immune to attack. Nothing can stick because he will respond, almost without fail, in a dismissive sort of way that gives a very authentic looking impression of either superior argumentation (he has displayed some slight skill in argument, but the veneer is all that is needed for success in this forum, and he has REAMS of veneer!) or smashing rhetorical comebacks. Of course the comebacks are almost exclusively limited to vulgarity and bluster, but in sufficient quantity, hot air raises even the biggest balloons.
That is frustrating for someone like me. I feel almost reduced to wanting a physical challenge. Oh, no doubt this "big man" (?) would be satifying to whip, with all his talk of how cheap talk is and bullets and whatnot. I like seeing loud men cry. And since he has immunized himself from verbal fisticuffs on here, maybe that would be the happiest option after all... how about it Jeff? You threaten to infect the west coast with your presence at some point in the future... would you like to be embarrassed by a young man most likely your physical inferior in terms of size, but most assuredly your superior in terms of prowess and sheer martial capability? I am in the San Fernando Valley of California... maybe we could arrange a venue and include some of the participants in this forum who might enjoy seeing you embarrassed both intellectually and physically by a small, young guy? Oh, and so as to save you the standard musings... I am american, white, and well, yes I am gay but that should hardly matter, right? Ah... also athiest, rather contemptful of most religious people I have met, with plenty of exceptions of course (I begin with the same reservations one has toward any believers in ghosts and the supernatural, but plenty of religious folk have proven far saner than their belief systems would suggest). What else... oh, I am a libertarian, politically. Liberal in the tradidtional, lower-case meaning of the word. Have travelled a bit, but at 23, I still intend to do much more.
So how bout it? Will this message even get a response from you? Will you ignore it in hopes of seeming above it all? Doubtful... you seem to be too insecure to leave any personal impugn without some snarling reaction to prove your self worth.
I won't bother looking back to see what you say. Respond personally if you like... my email is blahblizzidy@yahoo.com. My name is Dymitri Karszewski. I would love to make you look stupid before an audience... you are too well insulated here for anyone to make you look worse than you do for yourself.
I am ashamed that you represent America here. Please apologize for your despicable comments. Ha, as if that might ever happen.
Posted by: Dymitri V.K. at January 03, 2007 06:31 AM (dC46K)
553
Hell Yes- he is DEAD and my daughter who lost her fiance in July 2004 in Fallujh has justice.... should have been a public stoning.. Why shouldn't this execution been public for all the world to see??? Our people have been video and made public having their throats slashed or our soldiers ripped apart. Screw the assholes - get our soliders back and let that bunch be saved by the saudi's - or annilate themselves... FINALLY good bye Saddam!
Posted by: Teiralinda at January 03, 2007 06:32 AM (aRANT)
554
Hell Yes- he is DEAD and my daughter who lost her fiance in July 2004 in Fallujh has justice.... should have been a public stoning.. Why shouldn't this execution been public for all the world to see??? Our people have been video and made public having their throats slashed or our soldiers ripped apart. Screw the assholes - get our soliders back and let that bunch be saved by the saudi's - or annilate themselves... FINALLY good bye Saddam!
Posted by: Teiralinda at January 03, 2007 06:32 AM (aRANT)
555
I say we British Soldiers stop fighting the wogs in the desert and fight our REAL enemys....... The Fuckin Yanks!...
We wudn't even be here if not for those brainless shit-headed bastards!
Up Your Fukkin Arses!
We wudn't even be here if not for those brainless shit-headed bastards!
Up Your Fukkin Arses!
Posted by: Sgt Cravers at January 03, 2007 06:33 AM (EQPt6)
556
That has happened, but not all the people know what exactly has happened Saddam Hussein is dead.
He became a part of history.
But giving Him such sentence, those knew that they were trying to write down the last pages in their diary book with His blood. So, let all it be… be destroyed, be burnt in the huge flames of Our Revenge and Retribution – all that they are saving and defending by the cost of stranger lives.
He became a part of history.
But giving Him such sentence, those knew that they were trying to write down the last pages in their diary book with His blood. So, let all it be… be destroyed, be burnt in the huge flames of Our Revenge and Retribution – all that they are saving and defending by the cost of stranger lives.
Posted by: ANti@merican at January 03, 2007 06:37 AM (H78HE)
557
why is the video so bright at 2:26min?
Posted by: hub at January 03, 2007 06:42 AM (unuQu)
558
I think that it was good that they hung him. I think that someone should blow up all the middle east including Pakistan and a few other countries out there. If that were done and everybody was wiped out over there, then we would have no issues at all. Let's not forget about africa as well.
Posted by: dave at January 03, 2007 06:47 AM (G/GLR)
559
Well Sgt. Cravers, the Brits are the poor victims, eh? And Blair had nothing to do with it? Do you realize that if Blair had chosen to use his strong public speaking abilities to oppose the war, things just might have turned out different? Blair was not only complicit, he was astonishingly supportive - something I have never understood.
Posted by: white at January 03, 2007 06:53 AM (AA/Rk)
560
Yay! a murderer rapist, thief, coward has died. and guess who the other murderer, rapist thief, coward was?? MOhammed. Don't believe me?? Read wwwthetruthaboutthekoran /the koran the ultimate truth. and find out how mohammed couldnt add and so called writings of god were actually mohammed covering his own ass with"revolations" from god that said he could kill rape steal.
I say pull out and nuke the entire middle east bfore they do it to us fuck all this bullshit. most muslims are either cazy or fuckin fred flintstone stupid kill them all let god sort out the peacefull ones
I say pull out and nuke the entire middle east bfore they do it to us fuck all this bullshit. most muslims are either cazy or fuckin fred flintstone stupid kill them all let god sort out the peacefull ones
Posted by: biker at January 03, 2007 07:06 AM (vXLkL)
561
I just realized, my post was awfully long wasn't it?
I will summarize: Jeff Bargholz, I would love the opportunity to beat your silly ass. Are you game?
I know, I'm juvenile and unworthy.
So, are you game?
You could even stay at my place while you are out here! =)
blahblizzidy@yahoo.com
Dymitri Karszewski.
I will summarize: Jeff Bargholz, I would love the opportunity to beat your silly ass. Are you game?
I know, I'm juvenile and unworthy.
So, are you game?
You could even stay at my place while you are out here! =)
blahblizzidy@yahoo.com
Dymitri Karszewski.
Posted by: Dymitri V.K. at January 03, 2007 07:09 AM (dC46K)
562
I suppose you'll be left as one of God's "peaceful ones" Mr. biker boy. Do we all get to ride on your Harley then? Somehow, after reading your essay criticizing Mohammed's intellectual abilities, I am left wondering about yours.
I suppose you'll be left as one of God's "peaceful ones" Mr. biker boy. Do we all get to ride on your Harley then? Somehow, after reading your essay criticizing Mohammed's intellectual abilities, I am left wondering about yours.
Posted by: white at January 03, 2007 07:15 AM (AA/Rk)
563
NO MORE SILK TIES....ONLY ROPE TIES.
Posted by: sysad at January 03, 2007 07:19 AM (J39mW)
564
To G.Bush that moronic bull shit,time will tell you think you are in heaven but your life is an outrageuous hell and that it will always be. for all the honest people on this globe think twice and dont be driven by a sudden foolish emotional extasy,if today suits you well be sure it won't be tomorrow and life goes around and around again. Who's next on the evil list.there is no smoke without fire
Posted by: the man who sold the world at January 03, 2007 07:20 AM (yFzPE)
565
To G.Bush that moronic bull shit,time will tell you think you are in heaven but your life is an outrageuous hell and that it will always be. for all the honest people on this globe think twice and dont be driven by a sudden foolish emotional extasy,if today suits you well be sure it won't be tomorrow and life goes around and around again. Who's next on the evil list.there is no smoke without fire
Posted by: the man who sold the world at January 03, 2007 07:21 AM (yFzPE)
566
Iraq is no better off now , the US is no better off now either...the world is no better off. You kill off one monkey and 3 more grow, to take it's place. Just a damn shame they didn't take the time to kill him, the rope was way too fast. Who's next ? The US didn't sentence him . HIS OWN PEOPLE DID, so back down. Seems kind of wild to me, that everyone is so focused on Saddam that they FORGOT what that other freak did to the twin towers,the American people,and the world. See how easy it is to forget.....we should be hunting for someone who has actually done something to us...
Posted by: jasper at January 03, 2007 07:25 AM (rVPY9)
567
Should cut all his fingers and and his penis,then put him in a cell next to a nahed woman for life!
Posted by: Alberto at January 03, 2007 07:27 AM (UlADb)
568
Should cut all his fingers and and his penis,then put him in a cell next to a nakd woman for life!
Posted by: Alberto at January 03, 2007 07:27 AM (UlADb)
569
Which cell phone camera is equipped with zoom...?
Posted by: de fault at January 03, 2007 07:38 AM (tkTNS)
570
All of you guys hating on Muslims and Christianity. I hope to see a video of you next in this site, hanged by rope while shit in your pants.
Go get some common sense before you open your stupid full of shit fucking mouths. And by the way, graduating from High School and traveling out of your fucking city for more than 100 miles is a great start.
Go get some common sense before you open your stupid full of shit fucking mouths. And by the way, graduating from High School and traveling out of your fucking city for more than 100 miles is a great start.
Posted by: Not a Fucking Jew at January 03, 2007 07:50 AM (1BoDJ)
571
u r basteds who executed him u just dont like us dont you dirty shitters u dont like islam u dirty shitters
Posted by: anwar at January 03, 2007 07:59 AM (4/vIt)
572
u crazy basteds who killed him case of ure jelousy did you u basteds ill shoot u down to the floor
Posted by: harris at January 03, 2007 08:01 AM (4/vIt)
573
Having read most of the posts on this site I am concerned for the future of humanity.
Posted by: Zara at January 03, 2007 08:09 AM (vlQ7p)
574
Lack of intelligence obviously common in U.S. You rednecks are brained washed by Jews and Church. I am glad to see Saddam go, but I did not realize here in U.S we still live in 1900 century. Lets not forget what we did to Indians and Black people.
Posted by: Soldier at January 03, 2007 08:15 AM (1BoDJ)
575
what gives any man the right to act exatly the same as this man did ? So, they are not better, tha fact that tgis video is on the net makes every vieuwer a "sadam" as well,,,,,
Posted by: romain at January 03, 2007 08:20 AM (F3Cge)
576
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
Posted by: Gandhi at January 03, 2007 08:21 AM (6I3f4)
577
difference between Irak ad US ? Saddam an George W ??? NONE !!!!!
Posted by: jeff at January 03, 2007 08:25 AM (F3Cge)
578
Ya ALLAH!!! Ya Allah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope ALLAH WILL FORGIVE WHAT HE DID!!
I always pray for everyone! Good or Bad! They deserve forgiveness. Amin.
The way you judge you will be judge! The arrogant and self-rightous will be judge the same way. SO, BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU FELL, SAY AND THINK! It does have consequences!!!!!!!! Beside is not for you to decide anyway.
Y48
I hope ALLAH WILL FORGIVE WHAT HE DID!!
I always pray for everyone! Good or Bad! They deserve forgiveness. Amin.
The way you judge you will be judge! The arrogant and self-rightous will be judge the same way. SO, BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU FELL, SAY AND THINK! It does have consequences!!!!!!!! Beside is not for you to decide anyway.
Y48
Posted by: Yuni at January 03, 2007 08:53 AM (6SQwp)
579
Ya ALLAH!!! Ya Allah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope ALLAH WILL FORGIVE WHAT HE DID!!
I always pray for everyone! Good or Bad! They deserve forgiveness. Amin.
The way you judge you will be judge! The arrogant and self-rightous will be judge the same way. SO, BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU FELL, SAY AND THINK! It does have consequences!!!!!!!! Beside is not for you to decide anyway.
I hope ALLAH WILL FORGIVE WHAT HE DID!!
I always pray for everyone! Good or Bad! They deserve forgiveness. Amin.
The way you judge you will be judge! The arrogant and self-rightous will be judge the same way. SO, BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU FELL, SAY AND THINK! It does have consequences!!!!!!!! Beside is not for you to decide anyway.
Posted by: Yuni at January 03, 2007 08:56 AM (6SQwp)
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you yanky fucks are so dum how can this be justist if he is dead he should be givan HIV and put in a room and let him dye slow its only because you yanky fucks are so brain washed that you bleave in hell so you think that justist has been done dum fucks
p.s you death to the USA and the fucking jews the hole world hates you and fuck the pope to you yanky fucks the UK should rull the world agen nothing this bad happend when we oned all you fucks. and to all you yanky fucks rember what u didi to the red indains just as bad as sadam
p.s you death to the USA and the fucking jews the hole world hates you and fuck the pope to you yanky fucks the UK should rull the world agen nothing this bad happend when we oned all you fucks. and to all you yanky fucks rember what u didi to the red indains just as bad as sadam
Posted by: lucien at January 03, 2007 08:56 AM (ZBYAj)
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you yanky fucks are so dum how can this be justist if he is dead he should be givan HIV and put in a room and let him dye slow its only because you yanky fucks are so brain washed that you bleave in hell so you think that justist has been done dum fucks
p.s you death to the USA and the fucking jews the hole world hates you and fuck the pope to you yanky fucks the UK should rull the world agen nothing this bad happend when we oned all you fucks. and to all you yanky fucks rember what u didi to the red indains just as bad as sadam
p.s you death to the USA and the fucking jews the hole world hates you and fuck the pope to you yanky fucks the UK should rull the world agen nothing this bad happend when we oned all you fucks. and to all you yanky fucks rember what u didi to the red indains just as bad as sadam
Posted by: lucien at January 03, 2007 08:56 AM (ZBYAj)
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you yanky fucks are so dum how can this be justist if he is dead he should be givan HIV and put in a room and let him dye slow its only because you yanky fucks are so brain washed that you bleave in hell so you think that justist has been done dum fucks
p.s death to the USA and the fucking jews the hole world hates you and fuck the pope and to all you yanky fucks rember what u did to the red indains just as bad as sadam and the black people u fucks are much worce
p.s death to the USA and the fucking jews the hole world hates you and fuck the pope and to all you yanky fucks rember what u did to the red indains just as bad as sadam and the black people u fucks are much worce
Posted by: lucien at January 03, 2007 08:58 AM (ZBYAj)
583
i bet your dad or grandad did dum yanky fuck
Posted by: lucien at January 03, 2007 09:00 AM (ZBYAj)
584
you fucks are so dum how can you bleave in god/allah i think the USA and the middail east are the same full of dum brain washed fucks its all about cells we are all just living cells and when we die we just die nothing more no heven or hell just nothing think about it if u ant so small mided that u cant
Posted by: god at January 03, 2007 09:13 AM (ZBYAj)
585
Tron
Who is the murder and who is the victim? Who starts killing others Israeli or Palestinian? who is at home and who is the colonizer? Did the Palestinian people start killing the Israeli just because these ones had visited Palestine as gentle tourists in and before 1948? Just help me to understand your thinking about this story, because that is really the question
Who is the murder and who is the victim? Who starts killing others Israeli or Palestinian? who is at home and who is the colonizer? Did the Palestinian people start killing the Israeli just because these ones had visited Palestine as gentle tourists in and before 1948? Just help me to understand your thinking about this story, because that is really the question
Posted by: Zouhair at January 03, 2007 09:16 AM (KkD6t)
586
One question. Why do all the Bush haters on this thread come off as so illiterate? It seems education or IQ factors into it. I'm not asking for Shakespeare, people, but at least a middle school education should be required to post here.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 03, 2007 09:16 AM (8e/V4)
587
I say they shouldnt of hanged him.
Let him go out the same way he killed others, with toxic gas, lots more painfull.
Oh and I agree about the iq relation to bush like/dislike. Only the retards and red necks usually side with Bush. Natural human behaviour to associate with similar people.
Let him go out the same way he killed others, with toxic gas, lots more painfull.
Oh and I agree about the iq relation to bush like/dislike. Only the retards and red necks usually side with Bush. Natural human behaviour to associate with similar people.
Posted by: Dan at January 03, 2007 09:21 AM (pAtcZ)
588
thnx to my great comment earlier on... brilliant wasn't it.
just glad to see its another paki dead and one less the world has to worry about
just glad to see its another paki dead and one less the world has to worry about
Posted by: alcoholics at January 03, 2007 09:23 AM (3suv0)
Posted by: Dan at January 03, 2007 09:28 AM (0RcI9)
Posted by: Dan at January 03, 2007 09:31 AM (pAtcZ)
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This is just the end of the begining. The old fucks in Iran will never give up their chance to enrich uranium. The Jew fucks wont and cannot afford to take a chance with that......so we will be right in the middle of that war.
Peace will never happen......Muslims and Islamics will always hate us and we should just wipe them off the face of the planet. They act like they are better than us, but they arent as smart as us, they aren't as advanced as us, they do not worship live as much as us, and they arent as smart on religion as us.
Any dumb fuck who will give up the chance to fuck pussy on earth to get virgins in the afterlife deserves to be caged up next to the monkeys in the zoo.
We have a problem with every single muslim in the world.......kill them all......before they kill us. I know it may not be a solution that we both can live with........but if I had a choice and it was either going to be them or us......I only wish more americans would wake up and get back on our own side.
Peace will never happen......Muslims and Islamics will always hate us and we should just wipe them off the face of the planet. They act like they are better than us, but they arent as smart as us, they aren't as advanced as us, they do not worship live as much as us, and they arent as smart on religion as us.
Any dumb fuck who will give up the chance to fuck pussy on earth to get virgins in the afterlife deserves to be caged up next to the monkeys in the zoo.
We have a problem with every single muslim in the world.......kill them all......before they kill us. I know it may not be a solution that we both can live with........but if I had a choice and it was either going to be them or us......I only wish more americans would wake up and get back on our own side.
Posted by: MWGFL at January 03, 2007 09:34 AM (ACH4q)
592
You all suck
Posted by: alcoholics at January 03, 2007 09:34 AM (3suv0)
593
This is just the end of the begining. The old fucks in Iran will never give up their chance to enrich uranium. The Jew fucks wont and cannot afford to take a chance with that......so we will be right in the middle of that war.
Peace will never happen......Muslims and Islamics will always hate us and we should just wipe them off the face of the planet. They act like they are better than us, but they arent as smart as us, they aren't as advanced as us, they do not worship live as much as us, and they arent as smart on religion as us.
Any dumb fuck who will give up the chance to fuck pussy on earth to get virgins in the afterlife deserves to be caged up next to the monkeys in the zoo.
We have a problem with every single muslim in the world.......kill them all......before they kill us. I know it may not be a solution that we both can live with........but if I had a choice and it was either going to be them or us......I only wish more americans would wake up and get back on our own side.
Peace will never happen......Muslims and Islamics will always hate us and we should just wipe them off the face of the planet. They act like they are better than us, but they arent as smart as us, they aren't as advanced as us, they do not worship live as much as us, and they arent as smart on religion as us.
Any dumb fuck who will give up the chance to fuck pussy on earth to get virgins in the afterlife deserves to be caged up next to the monkeys in the zoo.
We have a problem with every single muslim in the world.......kill them all......before they kill us. I know it may not be a solution that we both can live with........but if I had a choice and it was either going to be them or us......I only wish more americans would wake up and get back on our own side.
Posted by: MWGFL at January 03, 2007 09:34 AM (ACH4q)
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This is just the end of the begining. The old fucks in Iran will never give up their chance to enrich uranium. The Jew fucks wont and cannot afford to take a chance with that......so we will be right in the middle of that war.
Peace will never happen......Muslims and Islamics will always hate us and we should just wipe them off the face of the planet. They act like they are better than us, but they arent as smart as us, they aren't as advanced as us, they do not worship live as much as us, and they arent as smart on religion as us.
Any dumb fuck who will give up the chance to fuck pussy on earth to get virgins in the afterlife deserves to be caged up next to the monkeys in the zoo.
We have a problem with every single muslim in the world.......kill them all......before they kill us. I know it may not be a solution that we both can live with........but if I had a choice and it was either going to be them or us......I only wish more americans would wake up and get back on our own side.
Peace will never happen......Muslims and Islamics will always hate us and we should just wipe them off the face of the planet. They act like they are better than us, but they arent as smart as us, they aren't as advanced as us, they do not worship live as much as us, and they arent as smart on religion as us.
Any dumb fuck who will give up the chance to fuck pussy on earth to get virgins in the afterlife deserves to be caged up next to the monkeys in the zoo.
We have a problem with every single muslim in the world.......kill them all......before they kill us. I know it may not be a solution that we both can live with........but if I had a choice and it was either going to be them or us......I only wish more americans would wake up and get back on our own side.
Posted by: MWGFL at January 03, 2007 09:34 AM (ACH4q)
595
LISTEN HERE , THIS IS FOR ALL THE FUCKERS THAT ARE HAPPY THAT SADDAM IS DEAD. GET A LIFE U HEARTLESS-PIECES-OF-SHIT !!!
Posted by: La2to w 3am bi Liffo at January 03, 2007 09:45 AM (FiDHB)
596
Now he is with his buddy just like on South Park.
I hope the Devil gives it to him up the ass...
I hope the Devil gives it to him up the ass...
Posted by: batty at January 03, 2007 09:46 AM (y0VbY)
597
Now he is with his buddy just like on South Park.
I hope the Devil gives it to him up the ass...
I hope the Devil gives it to him up the ass...
Posted by: batty at January 03, 2007 09:46 AM (y0VbY)
598
Now he is with his buddy just like on South Park.
I hope the Devil gives it to him up the ass...
I hope the Devil gives it to him up the ass...
Posted by: batty at January 03, 2007 09:47 AM (y0VbY)
599
Soldier: I didn't do anything to Indians or black people. Did you? I've always helped support them with my TAX DOLLARS.
Posted by: Greyrooster at January 03, 2007 09:52 AM (cJw/p)
600
Anwar, Harris. Suck this.
Posted by: Greyrooster at January 03, 2007 09:53 AM (cJw/p)
601
Crazy!
Posted by: Jonny Chingas at January 03, 2007 09:58 AM (P2udu)
602
Crazy!
Posted by: Jonny Chingas at January 03, 2007 09:58 AM (P2udu)
603
Crazy!
Posted by: Jonny Chingas at January 03, 2007 09:58 AM (P2udu)
604
Leik ya George W Bush , ncha2allah yekhdook 3ala shee golf club w yit7asho a gulfing stik right up ur ASS . do u despise muslims that much ?? WELL FUCK YOU !! cuz inta ma btiswa ijreh killa min fo2 la ta7it ya kalb. W ncha2allah yekhdook 3ala shee ZOO bi TEXAS la tin2ibir tindabb ma3 il 7ayaweinet.
Posted by: La2to w 3am bi Liffo at January 03, 2007 09:59 AM (FiDHB)
605
dont be so proud George Bush ... YOUR NEXT !!!!
Posted by: La2to w 3am bi Liffo at January 03, 2007 10:02 AM (FiDHB)
606
I hope everyone who lost someone because of this guy gets a bit of clousure from watching this video... but yes, I do agree, it was an easy way out, he should have been beaten, left, then beaten again... to bad the rope broke his neck... what a system we have to let ppl like this get away so easiley for the bad things they do...
Posted by: Meg at January 03, 2007 10:05 AM (Yo+Jy)
607
Fuck Saddam up the ass with a burning baseball bat. He got off waay too easy.
Posted by: Jax at January 03, 2007 10:13 AM (wIw2p)
608
Fuck Saddam up the ass with a burning baseball bat. He got off waay too easy.
Posted by: Jax at January 03, 2007 10:13 AM (wIw2p)
609
I say we hang jeff, jonny, and the rest of u yea!
Posted by: Cpt.Bla at January 03, 2007 10:17 AM (DAx5v)
610
Top 10 recommended ways to execute saddam:
1. Let the families of those he killed have at him.
2. Beheading with a dull deer antler.
3. Put an inflatable raft up his ass and inflate it.
4. Make him drink Draino
5. Draino Enema
6. Slowly lower into a vat of sulfuric acid.
7. cut his balls off and let him bleed out.
8. Cover him in Honey and tie him to an ant hill.
9. Tie him to a humvee and ripping through downtown bagdad
10. Stoning.
1. Let the families of those he killed have at him.
2. Beheading with a dull deer antler.
3. Put an inflatable raft up his ass and inflate it.
4. Make him drink Draino
5. Draino Enema
6. Slowly lower into a vat of sulfuric acid.
7. cut his balls off and let him bleed out.
8. Cover him in Honey and tie him to an ant hill.
9. Tie him to a humvee and ripping through downtown bagdad
10. Stoning.
Posted by: Jax at January 03, 2007 10:19 AM (wIw2p)
611
fuck off iraqi fucks
Posted by: tyler at January 03, 2007 10:22 AM (bGL62)
612
What a sick world we live judging from the comments here.
Coming from a so called Christian Nation and where it is said vengence is the lords and treat others as you would have them treat you, I hope you lot lead blameless lives.
Coming from a so called Christian Nation and where it is said vengence is the lords and treat others as you would have them treat you, I hope you lot lead blameless lives.
Posted by: Tony at January 03, 2007 10:23 AM (kQq0i)
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Cry him a river you fucking pussy ass left wing ass holes. Fuck all you french loving european dingleberries. When your pussy ass country gets invaded again guess who will be there to rescue you.
Q: Why are all the streets in france lined with trees.
A: Germans love to march in the shade.
Fuck all left wign pussies!!
Q: Why are all the streets in france lined with trees.
A: Germans love to march in the shade.
Fuck all left wign pussies!!
Posted by: jax at January 03, 2007 10:24 AM (wIw2p)
614
i hate u all. i will kill all of you. suck a dick and catch a disease. u are all faggots or dikes. who ever made this website is a stupid fuck so go die. ireland will crush you all!
Posted by: tyler bailey at January 03, 2007 10:27 AM (bGL62)
615
Ireland!! Ha Ha Ha! The irish are so fucking lame.
Repeat after me: Hi my name is tyler and i'm an alcoholic
Repeat after me: Hi my name is tyler and i'm an alcoholic
Posted by: jax at January 03, 2007 10:32 AM (wIw2p)
616
Hey tyler. You ever suck leprichan cocks.
Posted by: jax at January 03, 2007 10:33 AM (wIw2p)
617
Forget the pot of gold just give tyler a green one up the ass.
Posted by: jax at January 03, 2007 10:34 AM (wIw2p)
618
Saddam is getting ass fucked by satan right about now!
Posted by: jax at January 03, 2007 10:38 AM (wIw2p)
619
WE ARE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT THE HUMAN RIGHTS COMMITTED BY SADDAM AGAINST HUMANITY, WHAT ABOUT THE HUMAN WRONG THE OTHER GUYS HAVE DONE AGINST HIM BEFORE AND DURING HIS HANGING?
Posted by: noor at January 03, 2007 10:40 AM (FDVTv)
620
I say "Kill them all" and let God sort them out. With the Vatican they should worry about the Priests molesting young boys.Lets hang them too!
Posted by: scott at January 03, 2007 10:40 AM (eNVVr)
621
All Yankees are just stupid, one day in the near future we will see an arab or asian hang a yankee or jewish leader, trust me it will happen already the stupid president bush has planted the seeds for this to happen, by humiliation of the arabs.. be patient all yankees fuckers it will happen
Posted by: preeth at January 03, 2007 10:51 AM (dv8PS)
622
Is this the only way they could find to kill this mutta fucka, geeze he should of been thrown into a pool of greatwhite's or dumped head first into a pile of fire antz, but whateva hes dead and the world is happy :-) so yuh yuh itz all good
Posted by: BirdMan at January 03, 2007 10:54 AM (PDC5w)
Posted by: Republican at January 03, 2007 10:55 AM (EJxi2)
Posted by: Republican at January 03, 2007 10:56 AM (EJxi2)
625
bush is a criminal. i hope that bush will die the same. bush is the criminal of the century. kill bush.
Posted by: nelloti(romania) at January 03, 2007 10:58 AM (Ul5un)
Posted by: republican at January 03, 2007 11:02 AM (EJxi2)
Posted by: republican at January 03, 2007 11:11 AM (EJxi2)
628
Saddam will finally meet his maker and will be judged by the almighty God, our Lord Jesus Christ.
He will reap what he has sown and will burn in hell for eternity. He will look up from the pits of hell wishing for a drop of water. The bible (KJV)is just fulling itself and will be coming to an end soon. Keep looking toward the Eastern skies because our Lord Jesus Christ will arise in the East during the rapture to bring his children home; Lord don't be with the ones left because if you receive the mark of the beast, you will never see or step foot in heaven. Die as a martar for Jesus Christ instead, after excepting him as your savior first. If you have not excepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior, today is the day. Don't end up in the pits of hell with Saddam and his people alike. Except Jesus as your personal savior and experience the love that his has shown us by his crucifixtion on the cross at calvary, his blood was shed to cover our sins for you and I.
He will reap what he has sown and will burn in hell for eternity. He will look up from the pits of hell wishing for a drop of water. The bible (KJV)is just fulling itself and will be coming to an end soon. Keep looking toward the Eastern skies because our Lord Jesus Christ will arise in the East during the rapture to bring his children home; Lord don't be with the ones left because if you receive the mark of the beast, you will never see or step foot in heaven. Die as a martar for Jesus Christ instead, after excepting him as your savior first. If you have not excepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior, today is the day. Don't end up in the pits of hell with Saddam and his people alike. Except Jesus as your personal savior and experience the love that his has shown us by his crucifixtion on the cross at calvary, his blood was shed to cover our sins for you and I.
Posted by: Sandy at January 03, 2007 11:12 AM (HOvkI)
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Wow, i think i have to side with some of the later posts. Way too much hate-speech filtering on here with nothing to back it up. Yes Saddam killed 2 million people over his 25 years, of course he deserves to pay for it. But if killing people justifies execution, then bush and blair need to be hanging right next to saddam! 650,000 Iraqis killed by Bush and Blair, 40,000 American Soldiers wounded (loss of limbs etc) 3000 American Soldiers dead. wow! You've killed more of your own soldiers due to promoting this farce than you lost in 9/11 which was the pretext for all of this!!!! The massive amounts of money being funneled into this war has decimated the poor and severly hurt the middle class across the US. Saddam was worse how?? I guarentee you that a missile blowing your limbs off or gutting you or you burning to death in a building that was 'accidently' hit by allied forces or even the pain of watching this happen to a loved one is no worse than anything Saddam 'actually' did (not just what Fox and Bush 'say' he did). As for killing Saddam, congratulations! You have made him into a Martyr in Iraq. The world is now a far more dangerous place. Promoters of this war should be hanging right next to Saddam, they're no better!
Posted by: Hugh at January 03, 2007 11:26 AM (8hdQ+)
630
nassar ahmad u little packy cunt."let bush blair and co be next...fuckinscum u .... we shud be han ure lot not just oher packy twa..
Posted by: mufc for life at January 03, 2007 11:37 AM (MDEAY)
631
and please get this crap off about the rapture coming and the rightous being saved. If you are that devout to the bible then you really need to look at the history of the bible because you're lost. Put it down and pick up a history book, you may learn something that really WILL save your soul Sandy. The only thing we need in order to save ourselves is to stop fighting each other. You keep waiting for Jesus Sandy, the rest of us will do what Jesus did, preach the value of love and understanding!!! This board needs it.
Posted by: Hugh at January 03, 2007 11:37 AM (8hdQ+)
632
I cannot understand why some of you guys are abusing the Arab and Muslim community! Saddam committed a crime just like many others have and so there is nothing so special about him. While punishing him may be acceptable, the way the execution was conducted is nothing close to humanity. The Arab and Muslim community deserves respect from all and that includes the American's too. Do you know why America is always under threat? The answer is very simple - it tries to force through our mouths democracy that itself doesn't practice at home. Can you tell us why you protect Israel and not Palestine? Can you tell us why you are hostile towards Pakistan and not India? Can you tell us why you brought democracy to Iraq and not Saudi Arabia? Is it not clear that you have your own agenda? You are only concerned with your economic interest and will do whatever it takes to wipe out your opponents. Watch out when America collapses like Soviet Russia; your time is coming soon and you shall face the consequences of your own ill decisions.
We all know the American tactics of divide and rule. But the question is; how long will this last? Trust me, there is always and end to everything. Americans had to look for a scapegoat for the aggression against Iraq - the only victory they can claim is assassination of Saddam through his own people. It is obvious that Americans capitalized on the differences between Shiahs and Sunnis and in doing so have created a bigger rift amongst Muslims. Our brothers in Iraq have erred and sooner or later they will discover their mistakes. It is the same Shiahs who are on your side that will lead to your destructions – they are the majority in Iran and will turn against you just like Iraq did after the Iran-Iraq war. We very well know that Americans have a blue print for the New Middle East - one that will assure the safety of Israel which is continuously committing genocide against the Arab and Muslim community in Middle East.
Americans who are celebrating Saddam's hanging are obviously not aware of the consequences this has to their own tranquility. You ought to remember that peace is the best alternative that we should strive for. Tell me, why do you associate Saddam to terrorists? Is he responsible for the 9-11? Besides, those that abuse Islam and Arabs should be careful because they only serve to insight. We denounce terrorism and always preach for mutual existence. Yeah right, you are a superpower but remember that even the mightiest did fall. The best choice America has today is to let others rule in their own peaceful style. Who said democracy is the only way to rule? The likes of Jeff Bargholz are just but insighters and America should get rid of them. They do not deserve to coexist in a nation made up of many cultures - there are Arabs and Muslims who are American Citizens and I am sure they are disturbed by such unethical comments from the likes of Jeff who portray racism and provocation. I know some of you are impatient to respond with non-meaningful and insightful comments – spare your time and energy because some of us are not interested in lunacy.
We all know the American tactics of divide and rule. But the question is; how long will this last? Trust me, there is always and end to everything. Americans had to look for a scapegoat for the aggression against Iraq - the only victory they can claim is assassination of Saddam through his own people. It is obvious that Americans capitalized on the differences between Shiahs and Sunnis and in doing so have created a bigger rift amongst Muslims. Our brothers in Iraq have erred and sooner or later they will discover their mistakes. It is the same Shiahs who are on your side that will lead to your destructions – they are the majority in Iran and will turn against you just like Iraq did after the Iran-Iraq war. We very well know that Americans have a blue print for the New Middle East - one that will assure the safety of Israel which is continuously committing genocide against the Arab and Muslim community in Middle East.
Americans who are celebrating Saddam's hanging are obviously not aware of the consequences this has to their own tranquility. You ought to remember that peace is the best alternative that we should strive for. Tell me, why do you associate Saddam to terrorists? Is he responsible for the 9-11? Besides, those that abuse Islam and Arabs should be careful because they only serve to insight. We denounce terrorism and always preach for mutual existence. Yeah right, you are a superpower but remember that even the mightiest did fall. The best choice America has today is to let others rule in their own peaceful style. Who said democracy is the only way to rule? The likes of Jeff Bargholz are just but insighters and America should get rid of them. They do not deserve to coexist in a nation made up of many cultures - there are Arabs and Muslims who are American Citizens and I am sure they are disturbed by such unethical comments from the likes of Jeff who portray racism and provocation. I know some of you are impatient to respond with non-meaningful and insightful comments – spare your time and energy because some of us are not interested in lunacy.
Posted by: Peace at January 03, 2007 11:42 AM (5cc3L)
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You miserable fucks are pathetic. God gave us ammo to waste fucking arabs with. All arabs are brainless idiots that wipe their ass with their left hand. If you love em so fucking much then move to fucking iran. W's gonna bomb that shit hole too. The world will be a better place when all fucking arabs are dead!
Posted by: jax at January 03, 2007 11:51 AM (wIw2p)
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So the press is upset that the people got to see the truth! The unfailing moral compass of the "media" is outraged that the people were able to see the actual execution instead of the blurry photos they had pre-approved for publication.
Did anyone notice the lead stories after the hanging all talked about how Saddan panicked in his last moments? That changed pretty quickly when the truth got out. How can the media control your opinion when you have access to video of what really happened? This cannot be allowed.
DEATH TO THOSE WHO RELEASED THE VIDEO! Just don't expect to see it in the media, unless you pay for their streaming video feeds.
Did anyone notice the lead stories after the hanging all talked about how Saddan panicked in his last moments? That changed pretty quickly when the truth got out. How can the media control your opinion when you have access to video of what really happened? This cannot be allowed.
DEATH TO THOSE WHO RELEASED THE VIDEO! Just don't expect to see it in the media, unless you pay for their streaming video feeds.
Posted by: Hoi Poloi at January 03, 2007 11:52 AM (ZEmxh)
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the '9' must mean your age right nemos9? You support someone who's murdered so many people including your own? Bin Laden didn't even kill as many Americans as Bush has, and you support bush? what a warped mentallity, it can't possibly come from someone old enough to know what's happened. haha, the rapid downfall of the US started 4 years ago with absolutley no assistance of the 'left'. you right-wing nutjobs managed that one all on your own. Maybe 'you' should have been in the oval house sucking bush off since you love him so dearly, hell it would have done the world a favor if that nut got laid once.
Posted by: Hugh at January 03, 2007 11:54 AM (8hdQ+)
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You bunch of idiot liberal bastards, Jeff Bargholz seems to be the only one with a brain in these posts. They were not saying "Mohammed" because of their prophet, but in reference to Mohammed Baqr al-Sadr...a Shiite, father of Moqtada al-Sadr. Open your mind and don't believe everything the biased media and Hollywood tells you. The IRAQI government put Saddam to death because of atrocities that he committed, we are fighting a war to stabilize a country full of Anti-American/anti-Iraqi foreign fighters and extremists who do not want peace. Leave your sensationalist bullshit figures and numbers at home and actually talk to a US service member, the ones who are there everyday and KNOW we must be there. The Iraqi people want us there, it is the Islamic extremists who would oust us and replace a true democratic government with another dictator. Thank you Jeff for you patriotism and rational thought. Thank you right-wingers, and for all the rest: go jump off a damn bridge and know the facts before you open your mouths.
Posted by: Patriot at January 03, 2007 11:55 AM (YFZD8)
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Lets rid america of all left wing scum. I am proposing to start a fund to ship all left wing ass wipes to the middle east where they can get ass fucked all day. They are basically fucking homos anyway. So send one dollar to the "Send a Limp Wrist Fag to Iraq Fund" All left wing pussies get readt to go to Tehran. Just take some good lube - your gonna be a virgin in some rag heads harem. Hope you like the taste of arab sperm.
Posted by: jax at January 03, 2007 11:56 AM (wIw2p)
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You bunch of idiot liberal bastards, Jeff Bargholz seems to be the only one with a brain in these posts. They were not saying "Mohammed" because of their prophet, but in reference to Mohammed Baqr al-Sadr...a Shiite, father of Moqtada al-Sadr. Open your mind and don't believe everything the biased media and Hollywood tells you. The IRAQI government put Saddam to death because of atrocities that he committed, we are fighting a war to stabilize a country full of Anti-American/anti-Iraqi foreign fighters and extremists who do not want peace. Leave your sensationalist bullshit figures and numbers at home and actually talk to a US service member, the ones who are there everyday and KNOW we must be there. The Iraqi people want us there, it is the Islamic extremists who would oust us and replace a true democratic government with another dictator. Oh and by the way "Hugh" you are the biggest ass of them all...FOX and Bush did not make up anything Saddam did to the Kurds, ask any Kurdish national about the wanton destruction on WOMEN AND CHILDREN visited on their cities, within his own country no less; just kill yourself now to end your seed. Thank you Jeff for you patriotism and rational thought. Thank you right-wingers, and for all the rest: go jump off a damn bridge and know the facts before you open your mouths.
Posted by: Patriot at January 03, 2007 11:59 AM (YFZD8)
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Right On Nemos!!!!!!!!
Posted by: republican at January 03, 2007 12:01 PM (EJxi2)
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Hugh, last time I checked Bush didn't give the order to murder those troops...I am pretty sure it is the Islamist trash in the region who are doing not only the killing of our soldiers but of the innocent Iraqis as well. Check your facts again dipshit.
Posted by: Patriot at January 03, 2007 12:04 PM (YFZD8)
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No doubt - Saddam was guilty of murder and crime against humanity! Sure, almost nobody in the whole world is able to feel any sympathy for this cruel dictator...but he was still a human being under God or Allah! As I've seen the hanging in the video above, I'm shocked: the high-handed executors are not much better than Saddam was - brutal, cruel and cynical!
Where is the difference between them and Saddam?
Is this an example for a better world which is worth to live in?
Look to the former enemies France an Germany.Both People have now the same ideals for humanity and justice - death penalty was abolished in 1949(Germany) and 1981 (France)We both respect the International Court of Justice, which the US under G.W. Bush doesn't respect. Our People are politically much closer to another, since Bush started this unholy und senseless war against Iraq.As a German I respect the integrity of The People of Iraq - it's laws and institutions. But the Court which gave Saddam the death sentence was ruled and controlled by the US-Government!
Bush said: "It is an important milestone on Iraq's course to becoming a democracy..." -
Ridiculous! - it was a day of revenge for George W. Bush and for further hate and inhumanity among the Iraqi ethnic groups!
Roland Sindimindi, Germany
Where is the difference between them and Saddam?
Is this an example for a better world which is worth to live in?
Look to the former enemies France an Germany.Both People have now the same ideals for humanity and justice - death penalty was abolished in 1949(Germany) and 1981 (France)We both respect the International Court of Justice, which the US under G.W. Bush doesn't respect. Our People are politically much closer to another, since Bush started this unholy und senseless war against Iraq.As a German I respect the integrity of The People of Iraq - it's laws and institutions. But the Court which gave Saddam the death sentence was ruled and controlled by the US-Government!
Bush said: "It is an important milestone on Iraq's course to becoming a democracy..." -
Ridiculous! - it was a day of revenge for George W. Bush and for further hate and inhumanity among the Iraqi ethnic groups!
Roland Sindimindi, Germany
Posted by: Sindimindi at January 03, 2007 12:08 PM (yRhFu)
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Saddam shit his pants on the gallows. Chicken shit bastard!
Posted by: jax at January 03, 2007 12:09 PM (wIw2p)
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umm, no nemos9, the US IS responsible for their death. It was the US that went to war unprovoked. Peace and Hoi Poloi, you two made excellent points, as did many others on this board, too bad it's being wasted on narrow-minded kids that think they know everything. lol, nemos9, you can talk bush up till you're blue in the face, the world sees him for what he is and judging by the last polls, almost 3/4s of the US sees him for what he is. Feel free to enter more pro-bush crap here (no ones listening) ----->
Posted by: Hugh at January 03, 2007 12:10 PM (8hdQ+)
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hey guys.maybe hes not dead at all.there was no one but the irazis there.well never know.
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Posted by: TNG at January 03, 2007 12:21 PM (1roNc)
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I hope he has to pass thru a gaunlet of all his victims before he enters Hell.
Posted by: dave at January 03, 2007 12:22 PM (z9hKy)
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Hugh, you are a spineless bitch...how's that? Pick on nemos9 sure, maybe he's a little overanxious and throws out some crap in his posts. But you listen to me, you can spew your idealistic pseudo-intellectual babble you here on CNN all you want. But until you have been there, you can sit on a dick. I'm sure you are hemorrhaging at the vagina to get your word out here on the jawa report, you self-important moronic piece of shit. Let me guess, you have a degree in English Lit? History? I'm getting warm aren't I? Get off your high horse and stop this glory hole post stream you've got going. Nobody wants to hear YOU!
Posted by: Patriot at January 03, 2007 12:24 PM (YFZD8)
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Well nemos9,
After 9/11 just remind us exactly what role Saddam or Iraq played in it? Who are you fighting back against? Or are you just making more enemies in the muslim world that may in future exact revenge upon you? Saddam was a despotic leader, but there are quite a few of those to go round. Why should USA interfere in another countries rule? After all the problem is theirs not yours! or does USA plan to interfere in everyones politics. Sounds like nazism to me.
After 9/11 just remind us exactly what role Saddam or Iraq played in it? Who are you fighting back against? Or are you just making more enemies in the muslim world that may in future exact revenge upon you? Saddam was a despotic leader, but there are quite a few of those to go round. Why should USA interfere in another countries rule? After all the problem is theirs not yours! or does USA plan to interfere in everyones politics. Sounds like nazism to me.
Posted by: tony at January 03, 2007 12:24 PM (4Ctn9)
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Arab and Muslims were the victims of Saddam Houcine and today they're the victims of most of your comments... I'd never learned that Saddam threanted Israeli or americans before except by vicious words. Only the muslims in Iraq, in Kuweit and in Iran had suffred from Saddam who just was executing the orders of his US instructing parties to kill his poeple as well as what the other arab governments are currently doing.
Posted by: zouhair at January 03, 2007 12:25 PM (KkD6t)
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yeah we should kill bush....what a bunch of fucking morons!!!! let's kill the man who wasn't too busy getting his dick sucked in the oval office and actually was off his ass taken care of business american style. who got bin laden out of power and now has rid the world of saddam and is just itching to take care of that pyscho in iran. yeah lets kill bush!!!!! people like you all you leftists are truly going to be the downfall of this country!!!!! MORONS!!!!!!
Posted by: nemos9 at January 03, 2007 12:28 PM (lGFNe)
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Posted by: rep at January 03, 2007 12:33 PM (EJxi2)
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Tony,
Shut the fuck up...Saddam, that Sunni-salafist prick, had his hand in everything. I don't know if you understand the term "state sponsored terrorism" maybe look it up, yes? We should have taken him out in the first Gulf War. Listen here, to all you sand-in-the-vagina-mother-fuckers think we should have never gone in Iraq. Appeasement appeasement, which is all you scream and yell...we tried that. And that was with Hitler. If we don't combat the wrongdoing in the world, who will? It is our job as the super-power. Sounds like Nazi rhetoric? They wanted to "cleanse" the human race dipshit. We want people to be free.
Shut the fuck up...Saddam, that Sunni-salafist prick, had his hand in everything. I don't know if you understand the term "state sponsored terrorism" maybe look it up, yes? We should have taken him out in the first Gulf War. Listen here, to all you sand-in-the-vagina-mother-fuckers think we should have never gone in Iraq. Appeasement appeasement, which is all you scream and yell...we tried that. And that was with Hitler. If we don't combat the wrongdoing in the world, who will? It is our job as the super-power. Sounds like Nazi rhetoric? They wanted to "cleanse" the human race dipshit. We want people to be free.
Posted by: Patriot at January 03, 2007 12:37 PM (YFZD8)
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um yeah hugh, hello there, we didn't kill all those iraqis the fucks we are trying to rid the world of did. to bad the real world isn't a utopia were we can all frolic in fucking tulips all day. the world is full of shitty people that need to be taking care. and since no one else has any balls in this world we have to do it!!!!! look what happens when we have a president in office who does nothing. terrorist attacks on our soil and on us abroad with no retaliation is worse than taking a stand and fighting back!!!!! God Bless our country and the brave men and women who are out there and know they are there for a good reason and are making a diffrence in that country!!!!!
Posted by: nemos9 at January 03, 2007 12:39 PM (lGFNe)
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Whoa nemos, watch with the exclamation points brother, you are going to pop something.
Posted by: Patriot at January 03, 2007 12:42 PM (YFZD8)
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Hey Slimbimjim-
Your statment would make a valuable point if not for one exeption:
How can the helium become ionized and follow the magnetic field lines if the rate at which the earth's magnetic field is dying? If the earth is 4.5 billion years old why do we still have a magnetic field? If the earth were billions of years old it would have already cooled to solid rock and there would be no magnetic field.
You have failed to answer that question.
Your statment would make a valuable point if not for one exeption:
How can the helium become ionized and follow the magnetic field lines if the rate at which the earth's magnetic field is dying? If the earth is 4.5 billion years old why do we still have a magnetic field? If the earth were billions of years old it would have already cooled to solid rock and there would be no magnetic field.
You have failed to answer that question.
Posted by: Archy at January 03, 2007 12:43 PM (Mo6nc)
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Jeff Bagholz, you're a fucking asshole and you should be shot. All that DIRTY EVIL MUSLIMS are all extemists, right? They all want you and your kids to die, just like all Christians are ignorant assholes like you right? (Not saying you're Christian). Get bent asshole.
Posted by: Jesse W at January 03, 2007 12:43 PM (4U9Bs)
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Jeff,
Thank you for your response. I am impressed that your reply was done tastefully. I am in complete understanding that this is not the primary topic of this thread and have no intention of highjacking it any further. This would be a great discussion in a different place. That being said, I think we can both agree that neither of us would change our stance. This is where religion becomes dangerous. I do not believe that religious people are stupid. They are just trained to a certain belief system from the onset of their misguided lives. Religion is imbedded in the minds of followers without ever giving them a chance to use logic or reason. There are many very intelligent people of nearly all religious backgrounds. It is just a shame that the truly important issue, the basis for our existence, is the one area where theists have not been given the proper chance to break free of religions grasp. Their ability to come to their own conclusions was largely stipped from them at birth. And thus, ancient beliefs have been passed from one generation to the next for thousands of years. Beliefs that were used to explain the natural world before we had the means to work toward the truth. You don't still believe the world is flat do you? I hope not. Per your comment, I don't hate the misinformed, only fear what end they will inevitably guide us to. You were the one who called atheists scum. Further confirmation that no matter which occult you belong to, there is no tolerance for outsiders. My comments on religion being the basis for nearly all wars is not focused on Christianity but all religion. Whether you believe in the Christian god, Budha or the Greek gods, it's all the same. You are set in your beliefs. No amount of evidence will ever change that. People will continue to fight over it until we are ultimatley done for. We could grow to be such a technologically advanced society, but we will never make it that far. Put down the bible, open your mind, and come to the understanding that our place here is extremely tiny, extremely delicate and can be terminated. Not by god, but by our own hand. We are not the center of the universe and not the foundation on which all else exists. Human arrogance and unwillingness to accept this will be our demise.
Thank you for your response. I am impressed that your reply was done tastefully. I am in complete understanding that this is not the primary topic of this thread and have no intention of highjacking it any further. This would be a great discussion in a different place. That being said, I think we can both agree that neither of us would change our stance. This is where religion becomes dangerous. I do not believe that religious people are stupid. They are just trained to a certain belief system from the onset of their misguided lives. Religion is imbedded in the minds of followers without ever giving them a chance to use logic or reason. There are many very intelligent people of nearly all religious backgrounds. It is just a shame that the truly important issue, the basis for our existence, is the one area where theists have not been given the proper chance to break free of religions grasp. Their ability to come to their own conclusions was largely stipped from them at birth. And thus, ancient beliefs have been passed from one generation to the next for thousands of years. Beliefs that were used to explain the natural world before we had the means to work toward the truth. You don't still believe the world is flat do you? I hope not. Per your comment, I don't hate the misinformed, only fear what end they will inevitably guide us to. You were the one who called atheists scum. Further confirmation that no matter which occult you belong to, there is no tolerance for outsiders. My comments on religion being the basis for nearly all wars is not focused on Christianity but all religion. Whether you believe in the Christian god, Budha or the Greek gods, it's all the same. You are set in your beliefs. No amount of evidence will ever change that. People will continue to fight over it until we are ultimatley done for. We could grow to be such a technologically advanced society, but we will never make it that far. Put down the bible, open your mind, and come to the understanding that our place here is extremely tiny, extremely delicate and can be terminated. Not by god, but by our own hand. We are not the center of the universe and not the foundation on which all else exists. Human arrogance and unwillingness to accept this will be our demise.
Posted by: NO Religion at January 03, 2007 12:47 PM (pUwHl)
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And I suppose the bi-partisan grouop that declared Iraq a failure was unpatriotic and truly unamerican for not supporting the president blindly?
Posted by: Jesse at January 03, 2007 12:48 PM (4U9Bs)
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fuck saddam, im glad his daed that fucker... hehehe
Posted by: kkk at January 03, 2007 12:49 PM (4bCea)
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Yeah bush's daughters are hot, that makes him a good president. You fucking idiot.
Posted by: N/A at January 03, 2007 12:50 PM (4U9Bs)
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Hugh, Tony, what? You lose your Thesaurus? Or did someone big and bad enough finally tell you what's what and you turned tale and ran...funny just like you want to do in Iraq? Pussies. And Archy...I think you are in the wrong post. You fucks are all below me...bow to your intellectual superior. I am out of here.
Posted by: Patriot at January 03, 2007 12:53 PM (YFZD8)
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and another thing bush has gotten a nut job!!!! asshole, look at his twins they are actually pretty hot. and anything is a step up from the hellspawn bill and hillary had!!!!! good god maybe we should hang them for bring that in to the world!!!!!!!!
Posted by: nemos9 at January 03, 2007 12:57 PM (lGFNe)
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I'm deeply saddened by many of the comments here, but not surprised. The hate we breed in ourselves only serves to further our descent into a spiral of destruction.
Posted by: tenderheart at January 03, 2007 01:03 PM (E+waw)
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This is appalling. We banned dog fighting and other barbaric practices a long time ago. Bush and, from the evidence of this site, many gruesome americans, clearly love this stuff. God help you. Viva anti-americanism.
Stay away from europe.
Stay away from europe.
Posted by: Peter at January 03, 2007 01:04 PM (YyLe4)
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Teiralinda:
MAJORITY SEEM TO BE HAPPY WITH THE EXECUTION, SO BRING ON THE SHARIAH LAW. IF SADDAM IS A MURDERER, LETS HANG & STONE TO DEATH ALL MURDERERS ACROSS THE WORLD. WHY IS IT ACCEPTABLE FOR ONE PERSON TO BE HANGED FOR MURDER AND NOT FOR ANOTHER. SHARON, BUSH, PUTIN, BLAIR ARE NO DIFFERENT TO SADDAM.
TWO FACED INFIDELS.
MAJORITY SEEM TO BE HAPPY WITH THE EXECUTION, SO BRING ON THE SHARIAH LAW. IF SADDAM IS A MURDERER, LETS HANG & STONE TO DEATH ALL MURDERERS ACROSS THE WORLD. WHY IS IT ACCEPTABLE FOR ONE PERSON TO BE HANGED FOR MURDER AND NOT FOR ANOTHER. SHARON, BUSH, PUTIN, BLAIR ARE NO DIFFERENT TO SADDAM.
TWO FACED INFIDELS.
Posted by: muslim at January 03, 2007 01:07 PM (u0/hV)
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Patriot,
Stay in Iraq, please! Lets see what you can acheive.
Nemos9, have you ever been outside the USA or are you like your fellow Americans (only 1 in 4 have a passport) know everything & if you dont, just shout abuse you ignorant redneck fuckhead!!!!!
Stay in Iraq, please! Lets see what you can acheive.
Nemos9, have you ever been outside the USA or are you like your fellow Americans (only 1 in 4 have a passport) know everything & if you dont, just shout abuse you ignorant redneck fuckhead!!!!!
Posted by: tony at January 03, 2007 01:12 PM (4Ctn9)
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If there wasn't Zionist extremism there would never be Islamic extremism. The world is just suffering from both extremisms. Get Israeli turn back to their origin countries and then all the world will live in full peace.
Posted by: zouhair at January 03, 2007 01:13 PM (KkD6t)
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Bush is a mother fuka.. she suks ma balls everynyt da fuka.. and blair is his gay boi.
Posted by: Kami at January 03, 2007 01:14 PM (gq3Ya)
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Bush is a mother fuka.. she suks ma balls everynyt da fuka.. and blair is his gay boi.
Posted by: Kami at January 03, 2007 01:14 PM (gq3Ya)
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Bush is a mother fuka.. she suks ma balls everynyt da fuka.. and blair is his gay boi.
Posted by: Kami at January 03, 2007 01:14 PM (gq3Ya)
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IF MARK ANTONY WERE ALIVE TODAY AND HAD SEEN SADDAM HUSSEIN AS A FRIEND,HE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE THIS GLOWING TRIBUTE TO HIS MEMORY AS HE DID FOE JULIUS CAESAR SOME 2000 YEARS AGO:
"O MIGHTY SADDAM! DOST THOU LIE SO LOW?
ARE ALL THY CONQUESTS,GLORIES,TRIUPHS,SPOILS
SHRUNK TO THIS LITTLE MEASURE?
FARE THEE WELL"
AND AS A RIDER TO THE ABOVE, HE WOULD HAVE CONCLUDED WITH THESE
"THE EVIL THAT MEN DO, LIVES AFTER THEM.
THE GOOD IS OFT INTERRED WITH THEIR BONES;
SO LET IT BE WITH SADDAM"
IF MARK ANTONY WERE ALIVE TODAY AND HAD SEEN SADDAM HUSSEIN AS A FRIEND,HE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE THIS GLOWING TRIBUTE TO HIS MEMORY AS HE DID FOE JULIUS CAESAR SOME 2000 YEARS AGO:
"O MIGHTY SADDAM! DOST THOU LIE SO LOW?
ARE ALL THY CONQUESTS,GLORIES,TRIUPHS,SPOILS
SHRUNK TO THIS LITTLE MEASURE?
FARE THEE WELL"
AND AS A RIDER TO THE ABOVE, HE WOULD HAVE CONCLUDED WITH THESE
"THE EVIL THAT MEN DO, LIVES AFTER THEM.
THE GOOD IS OFT INTERRED WITH THEIR BONES;
SO LET IT BE WITH SADDAM"
Posted by: Akwasi Lawrence at January 03, 2007 01:17 PM (iX8M8)
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you americans are too stupid, the real source for all terror. the only reason you came to iraq is the oil, damn liars. you never wanted to free anything. of course iran is next, then north korea. bitches! hang dubya and the world will be a better place.
Posted by: j.lo at January 03, 2007 01:21 PM (pY2j3)
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i dont fink he deseverd to b hang like dat da people who deseverd it is BUSH & BLAIR they r fucking RACIST AND THEY ARE THE TERRIOST in diz WORLD. ISLAM is da bst and i dont care if u fink itz STUPID BUT IM PROUD 2 B A MUSLIM and if u got a prob den go and fuck urself cuz u dont know nofink. MAY ALL THE NON-MUSLIM B BURNED IN HELL "ALHUAKBAR". BY DA WAY IF SUM OF U DONT KNOW ITZ MUHAMMED( PEACE B UPON HIM) if u dont know dat den der is no need 4 u 2 cum and say shit abt ISLAM 1ST LEARN DEN SPEAK!!!!
Posted by: ISLAMRULEZ at January 03, 2007 01:25 PM (kI13e)
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i dont fink he deseverd to b hang like dat da people who deseverd it is BUSH & BLAIR they r fucking RACIST AND THEY ARE THE TERRIOST in diz WORLD. ISLAM is da bst and i dont care if u fink itz STUPID BUT IM PROUD 2 B A MUSLIM and if u got a prob den go and fuck urself cuz u dont know nofink. MAY ALL THE NON-MUSLIM B BURNED IN HELL "ALHUAKBAR". BY DA WAY IF SUM OF U DONT KNOW ITZ MUHAMMED( PEACE B UPON HIM) if u dont know dat den der is no need 4 u 2 cum and say shit abt ISLAM 1ST LEARN DEN SPEAK!!!!
Posted by: ISLAMRULEZ at January 03, 2007 01:26 PM (kI13e)
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you know what hugh, you liberal dipshit. i am not 9 i am someone who served two tours in that shithole cleaning up the mess bill clinton allowed to develop by not taking care of bin laden and a leader who, even though we couldn't find, made the world believe he had WMD and don't tell me your ignorant enough to believe he didn't and got them out to syria before we could get them.!!!!! b/c i have seen the satelite images of large convoys leaving iraq just before we invaded!!!!!! 3/4 of this country hate bush because the god damn media is run by liberals who splash nothing but garbage on the tv's instead of the 2 american soldiers who died and how bad it is that thet died for nothing. show their brothers in arms who served with him/her and let them tell you you how they helped rebuild a school or build a voting station that wasn't there before. and how they fucking died serving a country they loved and were proud to serve. it's about time they show the truth not all the sensationalism they do!!! death is news , not tall the good we are doing!!! you liberal, fucking draft dodgers have been spoon fed your whole fucking lives and have no sense of loyalty and pride in your country anymore and i say again you will be the downfall of this country more so than any extremist out there. and yes i will stand up for our president wether i'm a dem or rep b/c thats what a true american does. when the vote is over and a president is chosen it is our responsibilty to stand behind him. this political bullshit that has been going on in this country is getting ridiculous already!!!!
Posted by: nemos9 at January 03, 2007 01:32 PM (lGFNe)
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Hey Slimbimjim-
The characteristic time for helium escape at an average exospheric temperature of 1500 k is 60 million years or 70 million years. But the magnitude of the source from the decay of radioactive elements has been estimated by a number of researchers as 2 x 10 cm-2 sec-1. By dividing this flux into the column density of helium in the atmosphere we obtain a residence time for helium of 2 million years, much less than the charicteristic escape time.
The characteristic time for helium escape at an average exospheric temperature of 1500 k is 60 million years or 70 million years. But the magnitude of the source from the decay of radioactive elements has been estimated by a number of researchers as 2 x 10 cm-2 sec-1. By dividing this flux into the column density of helium in the atmosphere we obtain a residence time for helium of 2 million years, much less than the charicteristic escape time.
Posted by: Archy at January 03, 2007 01:33 PM (Mo6nc)
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IF THE USA,WITH ALL ITS WEALTH AND POWER,BOTH REAL AND PUTATIVE,CONTROLS THE WIDE WORLD BUT FEARS A SINGLE ARAB LEADER LIKE SADDAM AND SO MUST HANG HIM DEAD,SO BE IT.BUT THE USA MUST KNOW THAT THOUGH SADDAM IS DEAD,HIS SOUL MATCHES ON AND FROM THE RISING TO THE SETTING OF THE SUN, THE ARAB WORLD SHALL REMEMBER HIM.
IF THE USA,WITH ALL ITS WEALTH AND POWER,BOTH REAL AND PUTATIVE,CONTROLS THE WIDE WORLD BUT FEARS A SINGLE ARAB LEADER LIKE SADDAM AND SO MUST HANG HIM DEAD,SO BE IT.BUT THE USA MUST KNOW THAT THOUGH SADDAM IS DEAD,HIS SOUL MATCHES ON AND FROM THE RISING TO THE SETTING OF THE SUN, THE ARAB WORLD SHALL REMEMBER HIM.
Posted by: Lawrence Heathcliff at January 03, 2007 01:37 PM (iX8M8)
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IF THE USA,WITH ALL ITS WEALTH AND POWER,BOTH REAL AND PUTATIVE,CONTROLS THE WIDE WORLD BUT FEARS A SINGLE ARAB LEADER LIKE SADDAM AND SO MUST HANG HIM DEAD,SO BE IT.BUT THE USA MUST KNOW THAT THOUGH SADDAM IS DEAD,HIS SOUL MATCHES ON AND FROM THE RISING TO THE SETTING OF THE SUN, THE ARAB WORLD SHALL REMEMBER HIM.
IF THE USA,WITH ALL ITS WEALTH AND POWER,BOTH REAL AND PUTATIVE,CONTROLS THE WIDE WORLD BUT FEARS A SINGLE ARAB LEADER LIKE SADDAM AND SO MUST HANG HIM DEAD,SO BE IT.BUT THE USA MUST KNOW THAT THOUGH SADDAM IS DEAD,HIS SOUL MATCHES ON AND FROM THE RISING TO THE SETTING OF THE SUN, THE ARAB WORLD SHALL REMEMBER HIM.
Posted by: Lawrence Heathcliff at January 03, 2007 01:37 PM (iX8M8)
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Bush is great! Can't wait til Jeb will be our president I say nuke em' til they glow in the dark. YES! we can do it to.
Posted by: scott at January 03, 2007 01:39 PM (eNVVr)
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Hmm, interesting opinions. Especially the ones with Gung Ho and mother-Fucker spread across them. What a bunch of retards. It is true that Saddam was a horrible, vile character who tortured and killed many innocent people from his own land. That doesn't explain why we went in and our troops are dying everyday. Throw a dart into a map of Africa and try not to hit a country who has an evil dictator running the show or at least running a civil war in an attempt to get the reins. We never went in because we care, we wemt in for the same reason that we went in the first time, oil. Do you think Bush gives a shit about Kuwaiti's. Does he hell but the oil and construction contracts are another matter. Like it or not (directed to the few retarded yankee gung ho idiots who post)Saddam did not have anything to do with 9/11. Neither does he have any WMD (the official reason we went in). He was not hiding Osama who was responsible for 9/11. So why did we go in.....erm, erm, there's not any oil in Iraq is there? I know, flatten the Country and then control the issuing of construction contracts post war, you lot are so up your own arses. An American colleague recently said, what bothers us most is that you might not follow us WHEN we go into Iran??? Guys, stop it. Ok, just stop it. Leave the world alone and concentrate on yourselves. Bush really is a moron, he may belong to your political leaning but he's still a prat. Stop emulating him and grow up. Get your boys home as soon as you can and stop interfering.
Posted by: Paul at January 03, 2007 01:41 PM (LKJrY)
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hugh i never said saddam played a part in 9/11. i said if we didn't play sheriff the next time a 9/11 happened it would be ten times worse.....!!!! that's why iran should be next. and what do you expect.are you niave enough to think there will ever be peace with that region. if it wasn't for us israel would have been over run already. and this bullshit of us running that govt in iraq. please!!!!! you really are stupid if you think that is whats going on. you honestly think any of our allies out there, like jordan, saudi arabia, ect would let us have that much control. we are only acting as the sheriff in town and trying to help them establish a police force. but the extremists are what are making all the trouble. and again the majority of them aren't even iraqi they are syrian and iranian!!!!
Posted by: nemos9 at January 03, 2007 01:52 PM (lGFNe)
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nemos9,
You have more support than you think my friend. What is upsetting people is that the troops shouldn't be there in the first place. Don't mistake people's wish to have them back with any kind of negativity towards the troops themselves. I know what is happening out there and know how hard it is but at the end of the day, there was no valid reason for going into Iraq. Sure, we have to sort something out now we have brought about this current situation but there is no lack of support for the troops. I want them all home safe. I can remember standing on the pavement as an anti-war march passed and I said to my wife, "There's no way we would go in unless Iraq really was a threat so whilst I don't want our troops going in, it must be necessary." We were all hoodwinked. Bush & Blair should be on trial for what they have done.
You have more support than you think my friend. What is upsetting people is that the troops shouldn't be there in the first place. Don't mistake people's wish to have them back with any kind of negativity towards the troops themselves. I know what is happening out there and know how hard it is but at the end of the day, there was no valid reason for going into Iraq. Sure, we have to sort something out now we have brought about this current situation but there is no lack of support for the troops. I want them all home safe. I can remember standing on the pavement as an anti-war march passed and I said to my wife, "There's no way we would go in unless Iraq really was a threat so whilst I don't want our troops going in, it must be necessary." We were all hoodwinked. Bush & Blair should be on trial for what they have done.
Posted by: Paul at January 03, 2007 01:52 PM (LKJrY)
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nemos9,
Of course we support our troops out there, Brits & Americans alike. They are doing their job to the best of their ability. But why are they there? are they defending USA or UK against Iraqi attack? Where are the weapons of mass destruction we were told would be found? No, it was all a lie, an excuse to secure future oil supplies. It has nothing to do with humanitarian issues, or that Saddam was a "bad man". Iraq invaded its neighbour Kuwait for oil.
We have now done the same to Iraq. The world is not a safer place. Our troops in Iraq are just a target for any muslim with a grudge. We should pull out & let nature take its course & seek out & destroy the real terrorists & punish those countries who harbour them.
Of course we support our troops out there, Brits & Americans alike. They are doing their job to the best of their ability. But why are they there? are they defending USA or UK against Iraqi attack? Where are the weapons of mass destruction we were told would be found? No, it was all a lie, an excuse to secure future oil supplies. It has nothing to do with humanitarian issues, or that Saddam was a "bad man". Iraq invaded its neighbour Kuwait for oil.
We have now done the same to Iraq. The world is not a safer place. Our troops in Iraq are just a target for any muslim with a grudge. We should pull out & let nature take its course & seek out & destroy the real terrorists & punish those countries who harbour them.
Posted by: tony at January 03, 2007 01:53 PM (4Ctn9)
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it is a shame to see these comments like this,why do u hate saddam,he was a evil asshole,but fuk,he didnt rape ur mother,or sister,so y do so many of u insist that he should of been tortured. ur all so blinded by patriotism that u dont c ur hypocracy,damn it ppl.AMERICA SUPPORTED this ashole.AMERICA gave him the GAS he used. fuk! america supports more evil dicatators than you have heard of, do ur research.
Posted by: Sam at January 03, 2007 02:15 PM (T90Dc)
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it is a shame to see these comments like this,why do u hate saddam,he was a evil asshole,but fuk,he didnt rape ur mother,or sister,so y do so many of u insist that he should of been tortured. ur all so blinded by patriotism that u dont c ur hypocracy,damn it ppl.AMERICA SUPPORTED this ashole.AMERICA gave him the GAS he used. fuk! america supports more evil dicatators than you have heard of, do ur research.
Posted by: Sam at January 03, 2007 02:15 PM (T90Dc)
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it is a shame to see these comments like this,why do u hate saddam,he was a evil asshole,but fuk,he didnt rape ur mother,or sister,so y do so many of u insist that he should of been tortured. ur all so blinded by patriotism that u dont c ur hypocracy,damn it ppl.AMERICA SUPPORTED this ashole.AMERICA gave him the GAS he used. fuk! america supports more evil dicatators than you have heard of, do ur research.
Posted by: Sam at January 03, 2007 02:16 PM (T90Dc)
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that death was just a easy way out they so should of tortured him but supose it a quicker way to get him away
Posted by: beth at January 03, 2007 02:17 PM (jrRWX)
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YOU DAMN FOOLS. THE BUSH REGIME IS RESPONSIBLE FOR 3 MIILLION DEATHS AND COUNTING AND YOU FOOLS FELL FOR THE MASS MEDIA BRAINWASHING JUST LIKE THEY WANTED YOU TO.
Posted by: EYE OPENER at January 03, 2007 02:20 PM (Bb86W)
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we cant help people who refuse to help themselves
Posted by: fk32 at January 03, 2007 02:22 PM (uy3W4)
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again tony, and i hate to repeat myself i come from along line of veterans and am one myself and i ain't no redneck, born and bread up north.yes i have a passport, been outside of u.s for years and i do know what i am talking about. the fact that so many people here may disagree with my point of view is exactely why we did go to iraq. because millions of people were killed for speaking there point of view ou there.
look i know there are people who disagree with what is going on out there and you do have the right to disagree. but you need to realize that regardless of what you think, we are out there doing our job. and is it too much to ask for some FUCKING support for our boys out there. and i think if the media would show a fair and balanced picture of the things happening out there, more people would see the whole picture.and not be as much on the bush bashing bandwagon that is the in thing right now. and all the hate for hte president being showed is not only unamerican it is adding fuel to the fire in our enemies fight against us. when we get together and show a united front against those who wish to destroy us they will cower in fear and then the world may have some peace once and for all. regardless of what religion you happen to believe in.
look i know there are people who disagree with what is going on out there and you do have the right to disagree. but you need to realize that regardless of what you think, we are out there doing our job. and is it too much to ask for some FUCKING support for our boys out there. and i think if the media would show a fair and balanced picture of the things happening out there, more people would see the whole picture.and not be as much on the bush bashing bandwagon that is the in thing right now. and all the hate for hte president being showed is not only unamerican it is adding fuel to the fire in our enemies fight against us. when we get together and show a united front against those who wish to destroy us they will cower in fear and then the world may have some peace once and for all. regardless of what religion you happen to believe in.
Posted by: nemos9 at January 03, 2007 02:27 PM (lGFNe)
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kim il take a good look
Posted by: fk32 at January 03, 2007 02:29 PM (uy3W4)
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such a big conspiraci....i think saddam is alive somewere whit a lot of chicks 
it was just a public diversion made by the masons
it was just a public diversion made by the masonsPosted by: bogdan at January 03, 2007 02:33 PM (MJE/i)
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This is crap...Like one of the user saids..
Let BUSH be next and everyone's that likes him mom's also..
Beeaatchhhh
Let BUSH be next and everyone's that likes him mom's also..
Beeaatchhhh
Posted by: Killa at January 03, 2007 02:40 PM (sgp7g)
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Sam,
If America did not stand up to terrorist you would be bent over backwards taking it up the back side as you like. Right? Is that the true reason you hate America?
If America did not stand up to terrorist you would be bent over backwards taking it up the back side as you like. Right? Is that the true reason you hate America?
Posted by: rep at January 03, 2007 02:46 PM (EJxi2)
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Sam,
If America did not stand up to terrorist you would be bent over backwards taking it up the back side as you like. Right? Is that the true reason you hate America?
If America did not stand up to terrorist you would be bent over backwards taking it up the back side as you like. Right? Is that the true reason you hate America?
Posted by: rep at January 03, 2007 02:47 PM (EJxi2)
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Thats right all governments are corrupt. Republican, Democrat, Labour, Conservative. George Bush led the way (USA being the only world superpower)in this war against Iraq for reasons that are unsound.
If we want to take the moral high ground (freedom, liberty & justice for all) we should be setting good examples to peoples throughout the world, who no doubt mistrust us, because our motives seem to be to defend the almighty $ & corporate interests.
If we want to take the moral high ground (freedom, liberty & justice for all) we should be setting good examples to peoples throughout the world, who no doubt mistrust us, because our motives seem to be to defend the almighty $ & corporate interests.
Posted by: tony at January 03, 2007 02:49 PM (4Ctn9)
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Way to go!!! Instead of "investigating" and arresting the guy who shot the video - he should be given a medal for performing a valuable public service. They SHOULD publicize ALL executions! Let them be a warning!!!!! Let all the bleeding hearts and pansies get their panties in a bunch over it! This guy murdered THOUSANDS - too bad they could only kill him once!
Posted by: Steve at January 03, 2007 02:49 PM (uy3W4)
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You all have a lot of sins, and your minds and hearts are so dull. I advice you all should convert or learn the Buddhist Ways. Among all religions, Buddhism is neutral and balance in yin-yan theory. Some simple Buddhist Ways: No killing, no war, no violence, no hatred, no cursing/swearing, no lying/cheating, no jelousy, no greed, no adultry, and above all..NO FUCKING.
Posted by: Bhudda at January 03, 2007 02:57 PM (4Cjg/)
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were there or were there not terrorists in iraq? was saddam harbouring terrorists? the answer is yes, therefore we did go after a country that was harboring terrorists. yes the whole WMD thing ended up looking bad but i personally think there was evidence he had them.both dem and rep looked at the same stuff and said go ahead. then its all bushes fault when we couldn't find them. but we found eveidence he did have them. what did he do with them? someone knows. as for the oil argument going on. look i am not niave not to think that played a part in it. just like iran has its reasons for suppling hezbollah and france and russia have there own countracts with countries they don't want us messing with. but i would sure as hell have us maintaining the oil contracts then lets say, iran, syria, saudi arabia, ect,.. cause god knows those countries have lots of the money they do because of america buying it. they were all farmers and nobodys before america went in and started all the oil companies up. now they are some of the richest people in the world who have us all by the balls cause they control the oil not us!!! they let our companies out there, they control the price per barrel. last time i saw it was OPEC not the USA that was the driving force behind oil prices, distribution and what not. but yes, screw us because we are taking care of our own companies intrests. you think its only a republican thing? they are all corrupt, democrat and republican alike. government is corrupt by nature!! hello, newsflash....
Posted by: nemos9 at January 03, 2007 03:09 PM (lGFNe)
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To all who post and/or read the messages on this site I send heartfelt love. Each and every one of us are expressions of God. God is within each and every one of us. We are all forgiven. We believe our thoughts and our only job is to question our thoughts - there lies the truth. PEACE.
Posted by: cliff at January 03, 2007 03:10 PM (hRELA)
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I've got the answer....lets just build a wall around the USA borders and keep all the crazy fuckers inside..we will all be a lot safer. and they can continue to believe they are the worlds great liberators unmolested.
Talking aboutany non US citizen in the way some of you do should be no surprise to those who read history..native Americans...ring any bells?
Talking aboutany non US citizen in the way some of you do should be no surprise to those who read history..native Americans...ring any bells?
Posted by: eurotrash at January 03, 2007 03:51 PM (DooUG)
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saddam was totatly evil but some of these comments are sick
Posted by: richard at January 03, 2007 03:52 PM (0k+yq)
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If you are celebrating this execution as a victory you are dead wrong, no pun intended. Saddam Hussein is and never has been tied to any terroist networks but his own against his own people, Iranians, and Kuwaities. He was killed not because of his crimes but for the simple fact that he could not tell his side of the story if he was dead.
He recieved money and technology to develop chemical weapons from Donald Rumsfeld in the early 1980's during the Reagan/Bush administration. For the sole purpose of defeating the Iranians. How many innocent Iraqui civilians (over half of them children) had to die in order for US justice to be served? Over 120,000 is a good estimate. How can you justify that killing people is wrong by killing other people who had nothing to do with the attacks in NY and Washington DC on 9/11/2001.
The only people responsible for that infamous day are the tyrants within the current Bush Administration. They pulled it off with laser precision and got away with hundreds of billions of dollars in gold (which were kept underneath the WTC). You'll never hear about that in the mainstream media because they're all in on it together. Playing off of the fear of the american people to keep us parylized, so that no one asks questions on why/how the towers fell, who was responsible, where are the black boxes from the planes, how many put options were placed on united and american airlines in the days before 9/11/2001, how can someone use a cell phone on a plane when the technology wasn't put into use until 2004, why should we go to war with a virtually defenseless nation which was not responsible for attacking the US (but has plenty of oil). So while you're laughing and celebrating the death of the "boogeyman" remember to welcome the project for a new american century which is in going smoothly.
He recieved money and technology to develop chemical weapons from Donald Rumsfeld in the early 1980's during the Reagan/Bush administration. For the sole purpose of defeating the Iranians. How many innocent Iraqui civilians (over half of them children) had to die in order for US justice to be served? Over 120,000 is a good estimate. How can you justify that killing people is wrong by killing other people who had nothing to do with the attacks in NY and Washington DC on 9/11/2001.
The only people responsible for that infamous day are the tyrants within the current Bush Administration. They pulled it off with laser precision and got away with hundreds of billions of dollars in gold (which were kept underneath the WTC). You'll never hear about that in the mainstream media because they're all in on it together. Playing off of the fear of the american people to keep us parylized, so that no one asks questions on why/how the towers fell, who was responsible, where are the black boxes from the planes, how many put options were placed on united and american airlines in the days before 9/11/2001, how can someone use a cell phone on a plane when the technology wasn't put into use until 2004, why should we go to war with a virtually defenseless nation which was not responsible for attacking the US (but has plenty of oil). So while you're laughing and celebrating the death of the "boogeyman" remember to welcome the project for a new american century which is in going smoothly.
Posted by: Justin at January 03, 2007 04:19 PM (nIhw+)
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the world are sick!!!
let the man rest in peace, and let god take good care of him. the man was sick and so are the world. he will not been missed but some of all this comments here are just sick.... it´s tells more about the humans sick minds and what the world has become to.
never hade says god - make love and forgive !!
may saddam and he´s victims rest in peace and never been forgot.
the western world.
let the man rest in peace, and let god take good care of him. the man was sick and so are the world. he will not been missed but some of all this comments here are just sick.... it´s tells more about the humans sick minds and what the world has become to.
never hade says god - make love and forgive !!
may saddam and he´s victims rest in peace and never been forgot.
the western world.
Posted by: god at January 03, 2007 04:19 PM (4HKD0)
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jesus tony, is gw to blame for every single thing wrong in this country? is he the first president to do this shit? this corruption goes back for decades. my god you people really are niave to the world we live in today. all this make love not war bullshit is how we go and get ourselves fucked in the ass. the respect of other countries? the only thing they would respect is if they were the super power. please. they all bitch and moan until something happens then they cry and cry for our help, then when we help them we are the big bad fucking america. and they want us dead plain and simple. for the simple fact that they are all jealous b/c we started as nothing and made ourselves into what we are on the backs of millions of men who died fighting for the right to say they were american and believed in their country. now go and enjoy all of lifes little luxuries that being an american gives you, cause God knows Saddam didn't give that right to the true millions he deprived it to.
Posted by: nemos9 at January 03, 2007 04:20 PM (lGFNe)
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@ Jeff Bargholz,
I`m just wondering if you are a believer in some kind of god ? And if so, isnt it to god to judge about life and dead ? And not some people who have the power to take a life ? I`m not a big fan of saddam but to take a life ..... i dont think any god is okay with that. Totaly sick comments.
And for what, some oil rich lands. LOL
I`m just wondering if you are a believer in some kind of god ? And if so, isnt it to god to judge about life and dead ? And not some people who have the power to take a life ? I`m not a big fan of saddam but to take a life ..... i dont think any god is okay with that. Totaly sick comments.
And for what, some oil rich lands. LOL
Posted by: Wappy at January 03, 2007 04:22 PM (tF5sQ)
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god bless america and the western world. and denmark and uk
Posted by: god at January 03, 2007 04:25 PM (4HKD0)
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fuck all this comments fuck u fuck ur mom fuck ur family he was gay and thats all there is to it he should have been kill by torture they should have cut his balls and dick first then burried alive
Posted by: juanito at January 03, 2007 04:26 PM (reH7z)
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fuck all this comments fuck u fuck ur mom fuck ur family he was gay and thats all there is to it he should have been kill by torture they should have cut his balls and dick first then burried alive
Posted by: juanito at January 03, 2007 04:26 PM (reH7z)
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Won't be a pansy about it, but the execution should have waited just for a bit. Just to hear that son of a @#$% answer for some of his crimes, he might have even apologized. That would have been worth hearing. Things are a lot better with him gone, it's poetic justice that a dictator be hanged by the people he oppressed.
It was said that he went in a dignified manner, thanking the U.S. captors for their treatment of him.
I've always tolorated Bush as a president, I believe he has the heart, just not the intelligence or diplomacy required for presidency. When the U.S. troops found Saddam, hiding in the hole, he was armed with a pistol that Bush now keeps in the White House as a trophy. This sickens me, we should not confuse the goals of helping Shiites with killing Saddam. The Sunnis are not the target either, tyrany is. Cheers to our beloved troops out there, for everything they do for the United States and the rest of the world, but you guys need to get your asses home, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
It was said that he went in a dignified manner, thanking the U.S. captors for their treatment of him.
I've always tolorated Bush as a president, I believe he has the heart, just not the intelligence or diplomacy required for presidency. When the U.S. troops found Saddam, hiding in the hole, he was armed with a pistol that Bush now keeps in the White House as a trophy. This sickens me, we should not confuse the goals of helping Shiites with killing Saddam. The Sunnis are not the target either, tyrany is. Cheers to our beloved troops out there, for everything they do for the United States and the rest of the world, but you guys need to get your asses home, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Posted by: Andrew at January 03, 2007 04:27 PM (wHbwT)
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nemos9 i am english not american though i have been there several times, nice country
Posted by: richard at January 03, 2007 04:28 PM (0k+yq)
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i love the uk and the danish troops !!!
Posted by: god at January 03, 2007 04:32 PM (4HKD0)
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Nemos.
If we continue with an eye for an eye, what are we going to do when all the eyes are blind ( Ghandi)
If history teaches us anything it's this. There is no winner in violent conflict. Before the age of instant communications the right of perceived winners to write the history was implicit, however in reality peace and co-existance only ever came through diplomacy and dialogue. Not debate as that just tells somone else thay are wrong. No basis for movement there.
Believe me as a middle aged Englishman who not only lived through 30 years of Irish terrorism incl. 3 tours in Belfast as a serving soldier, I saw thousands killed on our shores by weapons and bombs bought from libya funded by and large by misguided Irish Americans. Millions of pounds and thousands of lives only to reach the conclusion that we could not bully them into our way of thinking. How can you bomb someone into a belief system that is alien to them and in reality not wanted.
Ask yourselves the question " Why do they hate us?" and I include the British in this, put aside the jealousy bullshit which is really only about justification, be prepared to listen and then to talk.
We may yet all be surprised.
If we continue with an eye for an eye, what are we going to do when all the eyes are blind ( Ghandi)
If history teaches us anything it's this. There is no winner in violent conflict. Before the age of instant communications the right of perceived winners to write the history was implicit, however in reality peace and co-existance only ever came through diplomacy and dialogue. Not debate as that just tells somone else thay are wrong. No basis for movement there.
Believe me as a middle aged Englishman who not only lived through 30 years of Irish terrorism incl. 3 tours in Belfast as a serving soldier, I saw thousands killed on our shores by weapons and bombs bought from libya funded by and large by misguided Irish Americans. Millions of pounds and thousands of lives only to reach the conclusion that we could not bully them into our way of thinking. How can you bomb someone into a belief system that is alien to them and in reality not wanted.
Ask yourselves the question " Why do they hate us?" and I include the British in this, put aside the jealousy bullshit which is really only about justification, be prepared to listen and then to talk.
We may yet all be surprised.
Posted by: eurotrash at January 03, 2007 04:34 PM (DooUG)
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Nemos.
If we continue with an eye for an eye, what are we going to do when all the eyes are blind ( Ghandi)
If history teaches us anything it's this. There is no winner in violent conflict. Before the age of instant communications the right of perceived winners to write the history was implicit, however in reality peace and co-existance only ever came through diplomacy and dialogue. Not debate as that just tells somone else thay are wrong. No basis for movement there.
Believe me as a middle aged Englishman who not only lived through 30 years of Irish terrorism incl. 3 tours in Belfast as a serving soldier, I saw thousands killed on our shores by weapons and bombs bought from libya funded by and large by misguided Irish Americans. Millions of pounds and thousands of lives only to reach the conclusion that we could not bully them into our way of thinking. How can you bomb someone into a belief system that is alien to them and in reality not wanted.
Ask yourselves the question " Why do they hate us?" and I include the British in this, put aside the jealousy bullshit which is really only about justification, be prepared to listen and then to talk.
We may yet all be surprised.
If we continue with an eye for an eye, what are we going to do when all the eyes are blind ( Ghandi)
If history teaches us anything it's this. There is no winner in violent conflict. Before the age of instant communications the right of perceived winners to write the history was implicit, however in reality peace and co-existance only ever came through diplomacy and dialogue. Not debate as that just tells somone else thay are wrong. No basis for movement there.
Believe me as a middle aged Englishman who not only lived through 30 years of Irish terrorism incl. 3 tours in Belfast as a serving soldier, I saw thousands killed on our shores by weapons and bombs bought from libya funded by and large by misguided Irish Americans. Millions of pounds and thousands of lives only to reach the conclusion that we could not bully them into our way of thinking. How can you bomb someone into a belief system that is alien to them and in reality not wanted.
Ask yourselves the question " Why do they hate us?" and I include the British in this, put aside the jealousy bullshit which is really only about justification, be prepared to listen and then to talk.
We may yet all be surprised.
Posted by: eurotrash at January 03, 2007 04:40 PM (DooUG)
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What is really disturbing is that all of you are wrong. I was baptised as a Christian when I was young. My mother has no clue. But I knew what was right and denounced the hypocrytical Christian. Chritians are just as bad as Muslims that support terror or killing. No one religion is better than the other. All are bad because they are man made gangs...nothing more. Do you all really think GOD favors you over other men? You Christians really puzzle me. You think you are smarter than everyone. Jesus is NOT GOD no more than Mohamad was! He was a man. And by the way, his name is not Jesus. His name is Yeshua (Yay-shoo-ah or Yah-shoo-ah). He was not Spanish. He was Hebrew. All of this mess because Abrahams wife Sarah, expelled her maid-servant Hagar out of Abraham's house. Well, Hagar returned to give birth to Ishmael. Later, Abraham and Sarah produced Isaac. Sarah was intent on Ishmael being cut from inheritance and asked her husband to expell both Ishmael and his mother. From there, the story gets mixed up. I don't know who is lying. But the roots of this misfortune has torn the entire world apart. And we are not smart enough to resolve it ourselves. Therefore, our children, and grandchildren must suffer as a result of the lack of love from all of our brothers on this planet.
Posted by: ted at January 03, 2007 04:40 PM (Sq9uK)
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nemos9,
Sorry to disappoint, I am a Brit. We only had a couple of hundred years of ruling most of the world, & yes, we did get criticised by many when we got it wrong. As far as enjoying lifes little luxuries, courtesy of USA, I have just been watching our news,it seems that 2006 marked the end of the UK paying off our loan from you for the 2nd world war. You remember, where the British Empire stood alone for 3 years, against Nazi tyranny, only to be bled dry by our future allies.
Being proud of your country is a great thing. Being blindly patriotic is what nazis were, ie just following orders, when they massacred US & British POW's, not to mention the Holocaust. Anyway, what it boils down to is: It doesn't matter what we say, as we do not have any control over events, but leaders make decisions that soldiers carry out. It does not make it right.
To avoid another "vietnam" situation, we should all get out now & not waste another soldiers life in a Corporate cause.
Who will be next? Chavez (President of Venezuela)? After all he is in control of the 5th richest oil supply & he does not like Bush. Does that make him a criminal?
Enjoyed the chat. Going to bed.
Sorry to disappoint, I am a Brit. We only had a couple of hundred years of ruling most of the world, & yes, we did get criticised by many when we got it wrong. As far as enjoying lifes little luxuries, courtesy of USA, I have just been watching our news,it seems that 2006 marked the end of the UK paying off our loan from you for the 2nd world war. You remember, where the British Empire stood alone for 3 years, against Nazi tyranny, only to be bled dry by our future allies.
Being proud of your country is a great thing. Being blindly patriotic is what nazis were, ie just following orders, when they massacred US & British POW's, not to mention the Holocaust. Anyway, what it boils down to is: It doesn't matter what we say, as we do not have any control over events, but leaders make decisions that soldiers carry out. It does not make it right.
To avoid another "vietnam" situation, we should all get out now & not waste another soldiers life in a Corporate cause.
Who will be next? Chavez (President of Venezuela)? After all he is in control of the 5th richest oil supply & he does not like Bush. Does that make him a criminal?
Enjoyed the chat. Going to bed.
Posted by: tony at January 03, 2007 04:44 PM (lGaMU)
724
hahahahah fuck saddam he shoulda ben burnted alive
Posted by: kara at January 03, 2007 04:46 PM (oZnOc)
725
U ppol dnt understand islam d way it realy is, so dnt b chattin shit d way u r! 4 gods sake, respect otha ppols religions! Ok, saddam was a sick prick, but u lot dissing islam r jus as sick. in som respect, i dnt blame som ppol 4 tinkin bad of muslims bcoz exremists have made islam look bad, but at least find out how peaceful the religion is meant 2 b and is for ppol hu go about it the ryt way. its fuckin dickheads hu go on dissing islam like most ppol here dat provoke extremists 2 bomb ur fuckin country - USA! i admit, its not d way 2 deal wit dickheads like you, but try showin som respect, n mayb ul get sum bak!
Posted by: londoni! at January 03, 2007 04:57 PM (pLGVt)
726
J Bargholz,
After reading several of your posts I have drawn the following conclusions:
1. You are brainwashed
2. You have too much time to devote to meaningless chatroom blogs that serve no purpose save as a sounding board for fanatics/zealots
3. You watch too many John Wayne movies
4. Your inability to control your emotions in an internet forum is a reflection on your lack of any type of leadership position during your lifespan thusfar
I'm interested in reading your attack on this post before I reveal my experiences in Iraq, Afghanistan and Washington.
cheers
After reading several of your posts I have drawn the following conclusions:
1. You are brainwashed
2. You have too much time to devote to meaningless chatroom blogs that serve no purpose save as a sounding board for fanatics/zealots
3. You watch too many John Wayne movies
4. Your inability to control your emotions in an internet forum is a reflection on your lack of any type of leadership position during your lifespan thusfar
I'm interested in reading your attack on this post before I reveal my experiences in Iraq, Afghanistan and Washington.
cheers
Posted by: villain at January 03, 2007 05:05 PM (rv6YJ)
727
hey eurotrash, that is an entirely different argument there. it was the europeans that settled america. and started the whole fuck with the natives stuff. and god knows if anybody got screwed it was them. but they did get the last laugh. we are all the casinos now outside of sin city? and who keeps that money? they deserve it believe me they do. and i'm not making any accusations that relate or have anything to do with, if your not american your crap or anything like that. we are talking strictly about saddam and the islamic extremist that want to cut our heads off, blow up our churches and schools, and in there words make our women and children cry at our coffins.
Posted by: nemos9 at January 03, 2007 05:06 PM (lGFNe)
728
oh and richard, ain't the first amndment a bitch!!!!!!
Posted by: nemos9 at January 03, 2007 05:08 PM (lGFNe)
729
Just watching the rather well worded arguments between Eurotrash and Nemos9, Especially Eurotrash whose comments are far enough detached that he/she really sounds objective. I have to ask though, do you even have a position?
Posted by: Andrew at January 03, 2007 05:11 PM (wHbwT)
730
i think this movie should be removed. and i do agree with nasir that said " Bush and Blair should be next".... they both r wuses.... hiding in there bedrooms, like fuckin racoons only comin out during the night. who ever thinks this video is good they can go fuck them self, with pre.bush and om blair... 1 more thing bush and blair r having an afffair. they r the first gay politician in the world history...... u all can kiss my hairy ass if u don't like this truth....
Posted by: muslim at January 03, 2007 05:11 PM (4gXoh)
731
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. No.....he's dead........ How cruel. Pray for him to go to heaven. Don't you care about helping a fellow soul go to heaven. And maybe god will help you go there too for your kindness.
Posted by: 0987654321 at January 03, 2007 05:11 PM (M+Uk+)
732
Shut Your Mouth Michael and think the write thing to do. Just look at what 1234567890 posted.
I totally support anyone against the hanging of sadam. It was wrong to hang him!!!!!!!!!!
I totally support anyone against the hanging of sadam. It was wrong to hang him!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Shut your mouth at January 03, 2007 05:17 PM (M+Uk+)
733
relief may come to some from watching this video, and pleasure may come to others. as cruel and vile as this man may have been, he still deserves the respect of a human being, as does any human being, no matter how great or how evil. the right thing here is not to praise this video or reminisce of this man's evils, but rather, to pray for him that god may have mercy on his soul.
Posted by: jf at January 03, 2007 05:31 PM (Se13K)
734
relief may come to some from watching this video, and pleasure may come to others. as cruel and vile as this man may have been, he still deserves the respect of a human being, as does any human being, no matter how great or how evil. the right thing here is not to praise this video or reminisce of this man's evils, but rather, to pray for him that god may have mercy on his soul.
Posted by: jf at January 03, 2007 05:31 PM (Se13K)
735
relief may come to some from watching this video, and pleasure may come to others. as cruel and vile as this man may have been, he still deserves the respect of a human being, as does any human being, no matter how great or how evil. the right thing here is not to praise this video or reminisce of this man's evils, but rather, to pray for him that god may have mercy on his soul.
Posted by: jf at January 03, 2007 05:31 PM (Se13K)
736
Penis...
Posted by: DJ Lort at January 03, 2007 05:35 PM (vYGtq)
737
now, that's just awful. not refering to the part of sadam's death either. look what we've come to; taking pleasure in watching this man die. sure he has done wrong, but who hasn't? maybe not to this extent, but my point is; it's terrible that we enjoy watching things like this. that's is where america is weak. taking pride in the death of others.
Posted by: Holly at January 03, 2007 05:35 PM (HlQjr)
Posted by: peregrine at January 03, 2007 05:38 PM (8jCOe)
739
I am sorry for my offensive behavior. You gotta excuse me as I have been under medication for severe depression and a serious drugs problem.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 3, 2007 04:51 AM
Nice one Jeff !!!!
I am sorry for my offensive behavior. You gotta excuse me as I have been under medication for severe depression and a serious drugs problem.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 3, 2007 04:51 AM
Nice one Jeff !!!!
Posted by: Lord Lagaan at January 03, 2007 05:40 PM (ZopWW)
740
Michael Weaver,
Your comments are grossly misleading. The fact is, Saddam was averse to Al-Qaeda. They tried to make contact with him, and he rejected their hand. The connections you listed are part of something entirely different. And it reminds me of those arguments people try to make to say that we (USA) support terrorism. For example, we supported Saddam even though we knew he was killing a lot of people (the video of Saddam and Rumsfeld - check youtube - was made after he committed some of his more terrible crimes). We also supported Bin Laden and the list goes on. Does that mean we are a terrorist nation? Fuck no. We made mistakes. Saddam was not keen on the fundamentalists factions roving around. As a matter of fact, those groups were often his targets. Iraq was better off with Saddam, and so were we and the rest of the world. Now we have fundamentalist wackos to deal with who will likely turn out to be 10 times worse.
Your comments are grossly misleading. The fact is, Saddam was averse to Al-Qaeda. They tried to make contact with him, and he rejected their hand. The connections you listed are part of something entirely different. And it reminds me of those arguments people try to make to say that we (USA) support terrorism. For example, we supported Saddam even though we knew he was killing a lot of people (the video of Saddam and Rumsfeld - check youtube - was made after he committed some of his more terrible crimes). We also supported Bin Laden and the list goes on. Does that mean we are a terrorist nation? Fuck no. We made mistakes. Saddam was not keen on the fundamentalists factions roving around. As a matter of fact, those groups were often his targets. Iraq was better off with Saddam, and so were we and the rest of the world. Now we have fundamentalist wackos to deal with who will likely turn out to be 10 times worse.
Posted by: white at January 03, 2007 05:43 PM (AA/Rk)
741
jf,
Pray that God have mercy on his soul? Why? Who cares about his soul? I don't. If I believed in hell, that's where I would pray that he be. But I agree with you on one thing, people ought not rejoice the killing. The dealt penalty is sick and ought to be abolished.
Pray that God have mercy on his soul? Why? Who cares about his soul? I don't. If I believed in hell, that's where I would pray that he be. But I agree with you on one thing, people ought not rejoice the killing. The dealt penalty is sick and ought to be abolished.
Posted by: white at January 03, 2007 05:51 PM (AA/Rk)
742
HE IS DEAD, HE TORTURED MILLIONS, AND NOW HE HAS PAID THE CONSEQUENCE. WHAT IS THE NEED FOR ALL THE NEGATIVE COMMENTS??? FOR, IF YOU BOAST ABOUT HIS DEATH, YOU WILL LOWER YOURSELF TO HIS LEVEL!
Posted by: a at January 03, 2007 05:53 PM (AMUdb)
743
eurotrash, you are friggin awesome. great chat man!!!!
Posted by: nemos9 at January 03, 2007 05:54 PM (lGFNe)
744
HE IS DEAD, HE TORTURED MILLIONS, AND NOW HE HAS PAID THE CONSEQUENCE. WHAT IS THE NEED FOR ALL THE NEGATIVE COMMENTS??? FOR, IF YOU BOAST ABOUT HIS DEATH, YOU WILL LOWER YOURSELF TO HIS LEVEL!
Posted by: a at January 03, 2007 05:55 PM (AMUdb)
745
Gee... I feel so much safer now that he is dead...
Posted by: Damien at January 03, 2007 05:56 PM (3VCo0)
746
Andrew,
Yes I have an opinion, they are a bit like assholes really in that we all have one.
My opionion is that we went to war on a lie. However
in that thousands of our troops are there and putting their lives at risk it is encumbant upon us to first and foremost acknowledge the incredible job they are doing, inspite of the political donkeys on all sides. ( Things never change).
As I said there can be no winner in armed conflict just more media shots of body bags containing real people which fuel fanatics on both sides. Right or left matters not as fanaticism tends to meet up round the back.
One persons' terrorist is anothers' freedom fighter and tomorrows diplomat.
It is nothing new but if we always do what we have always done we will always get what we have always got.
So, opinions? yes I have one, I just wish I had the answer.
Yes I have an opinion, they are a bit like assholes really in that we all have one.
My opionion is that we went to war on a lie. However
in that thousands of our troops are there and putting their lives at risk it is encumbant upon us to first and foremost acknowledge the incredible job they are doing, inspite of the political donkeys on all sides. ( Things never change).
As I said there can be no winner in armed conflict just more media shots of body bags containing real people which fuel fanatics on both sides. Right or left matters not as fanaticism tends to meet up round the back.
One persons' terrorist is anothers' freedom fighter and tomorrows diplomat.
It is nothing new but if we always do what we have always done we will always get what we have always got.
So, opinions? yes I have one, I just wish I had the answer.
Posted by: eurotrash at January 03, 2007 05:59 PM (DooUG)
747
Your mistaken, Saddam paid $25000 to each family of a suicide bomber killing Middle eastern Jews, so he had that connection. he sent terrot tems abroad, one to assainante OUR president, so thats another exmple. He sheltered other terrorists (use a search engine please) so you are plainly mistaken.
Yhanks
USA, all the way!
Justin on comment 711:
Your mistaken, Saddam paid $25000 to each family of a suicide bomber killing Middle eastern Jews, so he had that connection. he sent terrot tems abroad, one to assainante OUR president, so thats another exmple. He sheltered other terrorists (use a search engine please) so you are plainly mistaken.
Yhanks
USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at January 03, 2007 06:00 PM (2OHpj)
748
Zara at comment 574:
Humanity's survival!
That is a worthy concern. I attach the answer to the Survival of the Constutional form of government found in the USA, while some attach the answer to Sharia law. Others cling to Marxism as the answer. The reason your concern is especially timely, is that these are the major forces at opposition to each other in the world. None of these will surrender either. Each has shown a determination to engage in some version of Amegeddon to resist its own defeat. Note that all three have nukes.
Sharia produces Muslims, and Dhimmi (a cross between tolerance, and slavery, that is suppossed to be a 'great honor', but instead humiliates the non-muslim)
Marxism produces unmotivated servants of the state, and an elite class to 'educate' them. Not quite as ugly as Dhimmitude, but still oppresive.
Then you have western style free democracy with its free market incentive. Anyone can make something of themselves no matter their religion, race, color, politics, education, or even the lack of education. the only people who can't work to better their lives are the lazy, because they can't make themselves do anything.
If we don't fight for whichever we believe is best, we surrender humanity to either of the other choices, for better, or worse.
If we do fight, we face the possibility though not the certainty, of the global extinction of humanity. What you choose depends on what you think is worth the most. Is it better to surrender, and become subservient under a system you hate? Or is it better to stand with your principles as long as you have breath?
Chief Joseph (google) tried to escape that choice for his own people, by taking them to another land. In the end, exhausted, he chose surrender, to save those he could. Was that the best choice?
The Pilgrims tried to flee persecutuion when they came on the Mayflower. They didn't have a manifesto to wage genocide against native Americans, they just didn't see the wide open spaces as belonging to anyone. It was wilderness. Others followed them with similar ideas, but their Kings, and Popes, and other august persons had to have their hand upon them in the end. As we know, Europes overlords followed the Pilgrims, and then pushed themselves onto native Americans as well. Were the Pilgrims, and others seeking a better life doing anything wrong?
In 1939 it became apparent that the world couldn't talk to Hitler. Whenever you tried, he just grabbed what he wanted anyway. America was culturally in the mood to just stay out, while US leaders tied to find ways to quietly help the Western Allies without breaking the laws they were bound to. Was this wrong?
Finally we in the US were brought to war by another power that decided not to talk. Japan bombed Pearl harbor. We decided not to talk anymore either. In the end both of our immediate enemies were leveled to ashes, which proved fertile ground for brand new democracies. Were we wrong?
Now the western world is attacked from within and without, and many of us don't know what to do to save it.
Will we surrender the west to the grey state servitude of Marxism, which has literally killed more people for its ideals, than any major religion?
Will we surrender it to the bloody legacy of Sharia, who holds as perfect, an intolerant desert brigand who once stoned a woman who went to him seeking forgiveness?
Or will we continue in a system that allows poor people to become rich, and rich people to use their wealth to create more wealth, and allows the lazy to stay home and watch 200 odd cable channels while claiming they are oppresed, and lets Michael Moore lie and distort reality, and make 100 million dollars doing it?
I really hate to think I'd ever die for anything that benefitted a sleaze bucket like Michael Moore, but if I ignore him, I can see that it is the greater cause of freedom to which I am devoted, and I can die to preserve that for my children. Am I wrong? Should I surrender?
I don't plan on it! So I do sympathize with your concern, and it is worthy. it cuts across ideology, and is important to all human beings.
What do you think we should do?
USA, all the way!
Humanity's survival!
That is a worthy concern. I attach the answer to the Survival of the Constutional form of government found in the USA, while some attach the answer to Sharia law. Others cling to Marxism as the answer. The reason your concern is especially timely, is that these are the major forces at opposition to each other in the world. None of these will surrender either. Each has shown a determination to engage in some version of Amegeddon to resist its own defeat. Note that all three have nukes.
Sharia produces Muslims, and Dhimmi (a cross between tolerance, and slavery, that is suppossed to be a 'great honor', but instead humiliates the non-muslim)
Marxism produces unmotivated servants of the state, and an elite class to 'educate' them. Not quite as ugly as Dhimmitude, but still oppresive.
Then you have western style free democracy with its free market incentive. Anyone can make something of themselves no matter their religion, race, color, politics, education, or even the lack of education. the only people who can't work to better their lives are the lazy, because they can't make themselves do anything.
If we don't fight for whichever we believe is best, we surrender humanity to either of the other choices, for better, or worse.
If we do fight, we face the possibility though not the certainty, of the global extinction of humanity. What you choose depends on what you think is worth the most. Is it better to surrender, and become subservient under a system you hate? Or is it better to stand with your principles as long as you have breath?
Chief Joseph (google) tried to escape that choice for his own people, by taking them to another land. In the end, exhausted, he chose surrender, to save those he could. Was that the best choice?
The Pilgrims tried to flee persecutuion when they came on the Mayflower. They didn't have a manifesto to wage genocide against native Americans, they just didn't see the wide open spaces as belonging to anyone. It was wilderness. Others followed them with similar ideas, but their Kings, and Popes, and other august persons had to have their hand upon them in the end. As we know, Europes overlords followed the Pilgrims, and then pushed themselves onto native Americans as well. Were the Pilgrims, and others seeking a better life doing anything wrong?
In 1939 it became apparent that the world couldn't talk to Hitler. Whenever you tried, he just grabbed what he wanted anyway. America was culturally in the mood to just stay out, while US leaders tied to find ways to quietly help the Western Allies without breaking the laws they were bound to. Was this wrong?
Finally we in the US were brought to war by another power that decided not to talk. Japan bombed Pearl harbor. We decided not to talk anymore either. In the end both of our immediate enemies were leveled to ashes, which proved fertile ground for brand new democracies. Were we wrong?
Now the western world is attacked from within and without, and many of us don't know what to do to save it.
Will we surrender the west to the grey state servitude of Marxism, which has literally killed more people for its ideals, than any major religion?
Will we surrender it to the bloody legacy of Sharia, who holds as perfect, an intolerant desert brigand who once stoned a woman who went to him seeking forgiveness?
Or will we continue in a system that allows poor people to become rich, and rich people to use their wealth to create more wealth, and allows the lazy to stay home and watch 200 odd cable channels while claiming they are oppresed, and lets Michael Moore lie and distort reality, and make 100 million dollars doing it?
I really hate to think I'd ever die for anything that benefitted a sleaze bucket like Michael Moore, but if I ignore him, I can see that it is the greater cause of freedom to which I am devoted, and I can die to preserve that for my children. Am I wrong? Should I surrender?
I don't plan on it! So I do sympathize with your concern, and it is worthy. it cuts across ideology, and is important to all human beings.
What do you think we should do?
USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at January 03, 2007 06:04 PM (2OHpj)
749
Well that was great...but not good enough in being a director you know?
Lmao.
I definitly gotta go with, "His ass should have been tortued worse". After all the the shit he destructed and caused. That was minor torture to him.
Atleast his ass is dead.
But yea they should have shot him in the legs and arms, electrocuted him for 15 seconds, cut his toes and fingers off, threw him off a one story house, beat his ass and then gased him or hung him. Either one.
Lmao.
I definitly gotta go with, "His ass should have been tortued worse". After all the the shit he destructed and caused. That was minor torture to him.
Atleast his ass is dead.
But yea they should have shot him in the legs and arms, electrocuted him for 15 seconds, cut his toes and fingers off, threw him off a one story house, beat his ass and then gased him or hung him. Either one.
Posted by: Dave at January 03, 2007 06:15 PM (QVCNV)
750
he and satan is making sweet love
Posted by: asdf at January 03, 2007 06:21 PM (Rfh+u)
751
Matt gets it .Saddam was the weapon of mass destruction.That wasnt that hard now was it lol
Posted by: tony at January 03, 2007 06:35 PM (1/zJW)
752
my heart is saddened by the wickedness of humanity.
Posted by: matthew at January 03, 2007 06:38 PM (7sTrk)
753
Hey Abla and others who think Bush, Blair and Sharon should be next. Are you the most un-edcucated people ever... or what? Bush is not killing Palestinians. Property possession, and lack of tolerance is. Of course your right no Palestinians have ever bombed innocent people shopping in Israel. ( Sarcasm) That is not a US war ( Israel and Palestine)
that is their war. Not all of the world wars are Bush's. As for Bush killing more people in Iraq that that POS we just watch die. Are you serious?!! How ignorant can you be. Oh and for the record Saddam was not tried and sentenced to death by ANYONE in the US including Bush. So to ask who is Bush to kill Saddam is irrelevant. Iraqi's convicted and executed him. The US just happened to dig his sissy, weak, chicken shit ass out of a hole in the ground. And for the record the word is hanged not hunged. And geez people its funny that those calling for Bush and Blair to be next have got to be the least intelligent people on earth. Hoe is definitely a different word than how Abla LOL. If your going to try to make a point at least try to spell some of the words correctly.
Oh and as for how any people the US has Killed. Lets see..... Many of your poor sand asses would not be alive if it werent for the US. The US is called on to come to the aide of everyone. All of your countries have begged the US for help and then once we help you turn your backs and lay blame. Hey how about the US helps no one anymore and let you all suffer in the dirt sand and disease you obviously want. Nope I suppose we are too humane for that. And as I type I hear of another bombing... this time in Spain didnt sound like and American group to me how about you?
The Free world rocks!!!!!
that is their war. Not all of the world wars are Bush's. As for Bush killing more people in Iraq that that POS we just watch die. Are you serious?!! How ignorant can you be. Oh and for the record Saddam was not tried and sentenced to death by ANYONE in the US including Bush. So to ask who is Bush to kill Saddam is irrelevant. Iraqi's convicted and executed him. The US just happened to dig his sissy, weak, chicken shit ass out of a hole in the ground. And for the record the word is hanged not hunged. And geez people its funny that those calling for Bush and Blair to be next have got to be the least intelligent people on earth. Hoe is definitely a different word than how Abla LOL. If your going to try to make a point at least try to spell some of the words correctly.
Oh and as for how any people the US has Killed. Lets see..... Many of your poor sand asses would not be alive if it werent for the US. The US is called on to come to the aide of everyone. All of your countries have begged the US for help and then once we help you turn your backs and lay blame. Hey how about the US helps no one anymore and let you all suffer in the dirt sand and disease you obviously want. Nope I suppose we are too humane for that. And as I type I hear of another bombing... this time in Spain didnt sound like and American group to me how about you?
The Free world rocks!!!!!
Posted by: proud american at January 03, 2007 06:38 PM (jRVR4)
754
my heart is saddened by the wickedness of humanity.
Posted by: matthew at January 03, 2007 06:39 PM (7sTrk)
755
my heart is saddened by the wickedness of humanity.
Posted by: matthew at January 03, 2007 06:39 PM (7sTrk)
756
Muslims deserve no Sympathy. There is trouble were ever ther are muslims in. Notice all wars currently going on involves muslims The Koran preaches killings as the Pope noted, what kind of religion is that. Muslims need to be wiped of the face of this earth. They are multiplying by the millions and over taking all countries, eg France, England etc.
Posted by: Matt Cachu at January 03, 2007 06:42 PM (Kf0KS)
757
It is nice to see a person who brought suffering to people face his actions and be tried for it, but I would have much preferred for Saddam to be taken to the International Criminal Court at The Hague, where there would have been global legitimacy instead of haste and bias to his sentence. At The Hague, we definitely would have learned a lot more about him, his real motives BEHIND his actions over these years, and HOW the different nations and corporations around the world played a role in him becoming a third rate dictator and supporting him/screwing him over all these years.
Unfortunately, now this opportunity to gather valuable intelligence directly from the man himself is gone, and that I think is a HUGE loss. Sorta similar to Hitler's suicide. They are gone so quickly, there is very little closure...
The man deserved at least an exit interview with PBS. I would watch it.
Unfortunately, now this opportunity to gather valuable intelligence directly from the man himself is gone, and that I think is a HUGE loss. Sorta similar to Hitler's suicide. They are gone so quickly, there is very little closure...
The man deserved at least an exit interview with PBS. I would watch it.
Posted by: Sphincter trumpet at January 03, 2007 06:51 PM (I58Wa)
758
Its funny how before the full video came out, newscasters said they were airing it to reassure people that Saddam was dead. But how much reassurance can someone get when they don't show him actually being executed. I understand they aren't allowed to broadcast that, but lets be serious here.
Posted by: vanessa at January 03, 2007 06:59 PM (nzjsi)
759
i really think that he is not the only person that needs to be hang we have some people that are running are country that needs to be hang for killing our troops in a unjustice war with a irrelevent agenda. Causing another country to go in civil war over there oil. This will not solve nothing!!!!
Posted by: Final Justince at January 03, 2007 07:04 PM (bP+k9)
760
i really think that he is not the only person that needs to be hang we have some people that are running are country that needs to be hang for killing our troops in a unjustice war with a irrelevent agenda. Causing another country to go in civil war over there oil. This will not solve nothing!!!!
Posted by: Final Justince at January 03, 2007 07:04 PM (bP+k9)
761
i really think that he is not the only person that needs to be hang we have some people that are running are country that needs to be hang for killing our troops in a unjustice war with a irrelevent agenda. Causing another country to go in civil war over there oil. This will not solve nothing!!!!
Posted by: Final Justince at January 03, 2007 07:04 PM (bP+k9)
762
Yeah Nemos9, my two grandfathers were military pilots in WW2, two of my uncles 'are' military pilots, my father was a soldier in the Gulf and my cousin is currently serving, and you accuse me of not supporting them? Here's something you right-wingers can't seem to grasp, not supporting the war does NOT equal not supporting troops. When did i EVER say in any of my posts that i didn't give them my support? You're arguing and name-calling is pointless, it has no basis. Would these happen to be the same sattelite photos that Cheney showed at the UN to try and bolster support but got shot down because the pictures showed nothing more than freight cars that could just have likely been carrying cabbages? Or maybe the snazzy 3D images of bombs he showed that were designed on a computer? If you want to attack me let's hear some 'facts' that support your war because i've lots that don't. If you don't have them then sit down, shut up and learn something.
Posted by: Hugh at January 03, 2007 07:07 PM (8hdQ+)
763
Hugh,
You say you support the soldiers but not the war. Well, the soldiers don't buy that. They believe your lack of support for the war is a direct reflection on them. They are there fighting a war they support - you not supporting the war is tantamount to not supporting them. Their morale suffers when they here people do not support their actions. Their actions are about fighting a war. Not supporting the war is really not supporting their actions (which is fighting a war).
In what manner of thinking can one posit they support a man but not what the man is doing? They are fighting a war - they want support for fighting the war, not people telling them the war is not worth supporting.
Send a hard worker a meal, then tell him you don't like the fact the meal will help him continue to work hard because you don't like the project he is working on. You provide a dis-incentive for that person.
Please look at your position more carefully. It matters not that you have had relatives in the armed forces. What matters is your opinion of this war is demoralizing the troops.
You say you support the soldiers but not the war. Well, the soldiers don't buy that. They believe your lack of support for the war is a direct reflection on them. They are there fighting a war they support - you not supporting the war is tantamount to not supporting them. Their morale suffers when they here people do not support their actions. Their actions are about fighting a war. Not supporting the war is really not supporting their actions (which is fighting a war).
In what manner of thinking can one posit they support a man but not what the man is doing? They are fighting a war - they want support for fighting the war, not people telling them the war is not worth supporting.
Send a hard worker a meal, then tell him you don't like the fact the meal will help him continue to work hard because you don't like the project he is working on. You provide a dis-incentive for that person.
Please look at your position more carefully. It matters not that you have had relatives in the armed forces. What matters is your opinion of this war is demoralizing the troops.
Posted by: honor justice at January 03, 2007 10:51 PM (U3SoB)
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Isn't it strange, not many bombings in Iraq in the past couple of days. I bet you the Sunni's and other insurgents are thinking long and hard about who their loyalties are to go to now. They have probably been fighting all along in the hopes that Saddam would come back into power some day. Since that dream is now dead, who are they willing to die for now? I am sure they will find a new cause.
A question to those who believe the US should not be in Iraq: When US troops are attacked, does the US have a right to defend themselves? Of course they have a right to defend themselves. Saddam ordered his troops, on numerous occasions, to attack the US and British troops (who were in Iraq for many years prior to the 2003 invasion (sanctioned by the UN) - in areas called no fly zones to help protect Iraqis in northern and southern Iraq). Based on those attacks alone, the US had a right to remove Saddam, his government, and troops from power, period.
Do tell if you disagree with the US not having the right to defend itself.
The WMD argument was only one of thirteen separate issues that Saddam had ignored (in his agreement with the UN). According to his own records, 500 tons of chemical weapons were never accounted for (as Saddam had previously agreed to do). It was discovered by the UN Saddam was also in possession, in 2002/3, of long range missles that were classified as WMD (he did not declare possession of these as he also agreed to). In my opinion, Saddam was a weapon of mass destruction - considering the chemicals and weapons were created at his behest.
A question to those who believe the US should not be in Iraq: When US troops are attacked, does the US have a right to defend themselves? Of course they have a right to defend themselves. Saddam ordered his troops, on numerous occasions, to attack the US and British troops (who were in Iraq for many years prior to the 2003 invasion (sanctioned by the UN) - in areas called no fly zones to help protect Iraqis in northern and southern Iraq). Based on those attacks alone, the US had a right to remove Saddam, his government, and troops from power, period.
Do tell if you disagree with the US not having the right to defend itself.
The WMD argument was only one of thirteen separate issues that Saddam had ignored (in his agreement with the UN). According to his own records, 500 tons of chemical weapons were never accounted for (as Saddam had previously agreed to do). It was discovered by the UN Saddam was also in possession, in 2002/3, of long range missles that were classified as WMD (he did not declare possession of these as he also agreed to). In my opinion, Saddam was a weapon of mass destruction - considering the chemicals and weapons were created at his behest.
Posted by: honor justice at January 03, 2007 11:08 PM (U3SoB)
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Hugh:
You say you don't support the "war" but you support the troops. Leaving aside the fact that there is no war in iraq, what is it about the troops that you support? Their existence? Their various political beliefs? Their hopes and aspirations? Their sexual preferences? Maybe you're a human jockstrap?
When you say you support the police and the fire department, it means you support their jobs. It doesn't mean you support them in some selective, esoteric fashion, but you oppose what they're doing. Either you support them or you don't.
If you don't support what the troops are doing, you don't support the troops. Soldiers are defined by what they do. You cant claim to support them as individuals, because as individuals, they're carrying out the mission you don't support as part of a larger force.
You cant say you support the troops just because you care about your cousin and two uncles--who probably aren't serving in Iraq.
Claiming to support the troops but not their mission is sleazy left-wing doublethink. It's a tired, transparent attempt to slam military action without being criticized. It's like the racist who says "some of my best friends are so and so."
You're full of shit.
You say you don't support the "war" but you support the troops. Leaving aside the fact that there is no war in iraq, what is it about the troops that you support? Their existence? Their various political beliefs? Their hopes and aspirations? Their sexual preferences? Maybe you're a human jockstrap?
When you say you support the police and the fire department, it means you support their jobs. It doesn't mean you support them in some selective, esoteric fashion, but you oppose what they're doing. Either you support them or you don't.
If you don't support what the troops are doing, you don't support the troops. Soldiers are defined by what they do. You cant claim to support them as individuals, because as individuals, they're carrying out the mission you don't support as part of a larger force.
You cant say you support the troops just because you care about your cousin and two uncles--who probably aren't serving in Iraq.
Claiming to support the troops but not their mission is sleazy left-wing doublethink. It's a tired, transparent attempt to slam military action without being criticized. It's like the racist who says "some of my best friends are so and so."
You're full of shit.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 04, 2007 01:29 AM (abVz3)
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Personification of stupidity:
You know even less about islam and islamopithecines than you do about Christianity and Christians--and you don't know dick about Christianity. You're just another lickspittle leftist who plagiarizes anti-Christian dogma from other sources. if it weren't for bullshit, you wouldn't have anything to say at all. Hell, the only reason you feel brave enough to spew your bile is because we're not in the same room.
Stick to writing about what you know, like felching and taking it up the ass.
You know even less about islam and islamopithecines than you do about Christianity and Christians--and you don't know dick about Christianity. You're just another lickspittle leftist who plagiarizes anti-Christian dogma from other sources. if it weren't for bullshit, you wouldn't have anything to say at all. Hell, the only reason you feel brave enough to spew your bile is because we're not in the same room.
Stick to writing about what you know, like felching and taking it up the ass.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 04, 2007 02:00 AM (abVz3)
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Dmytri V.D.
Your inane comment was about a foot long, but you didn't manage to say anything. Sure, you let me know that you're an imbecile (nobody else read it,) but I doubt that's what you intended to do.
I extend my sincere apology. I apologize for not being around when you nattered on, because I would have enjoyed belittling a moonbat as pretentious and insecure as you are.
I live in fear of the day a scrawny little flamer shows up at my door to practice his thai bo pirouettes. People have died from laughing too hard, you know.
Your inane comment was about a foot long, but you didn't manage to say anything. Sure, you let me know that you're an imbecile (nobody else read it,) but I doubt that's what you intended to do.
I extend my sincere apology. I apologize for not being around when you nattered on, because I would have enjoyed belittling a moonbat as pretentious and insecure as you are.
I live in fear of the day a scrawny little flamer shows up at my door to practice his thai bo pirouettes. People have died from laughing too hard, you know.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 04, 2007 02:28 AM (abVz3)
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Peace:
America has only one culture--American culture. "Multiculturalism" is nothing but one of many subversive rhetoric techniques invented in Stalin's soviet union. So is political correctness, and the punishment for non-conformity it brings. both were created to foment class warfare and hatred of the government in the West, specifically America.
Hatemongering Idiots like you have bought into it like the born suckers you are.
Those proto-hominid islamopithecines in America that you want me to sing kumbayah with will slit your throat in a second if they get the chance. After they gang rape tou, of course.
You're hopelessly deluded, sister moonbeam.
America has only one culture--American culture. "Multiculturalism" is nothing but one of many subversive rhetoric techniques invented in Stalin's soviet union. So is political correctness, and the punishment for non-conformity it brings. both were created to foment class warfare and hatred of the government in the West, specifically America.
Hatemongering Idiots like you have bought into it like the born suckers you are.
Those proto-hominid islamopithecines in America that you want me to sing kumbayah with will slit your throat in a second if they get the chance. After they gang rape tou, of course.
You're hopelessly deluded, sister moonbeam.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 04, 2007 02:57 AM (abVz3)
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No Religion:
Again, you're laboring under a lot of misconceptions about Christianity and Christians.
Logic and reason are inseperable from Christianity and faith, according to most theologians. Remenber the Pope's speeech I mentioned? The one that sparked a shit-storm from koranimals, and yes, atheists? That was the subject of his speech. You really need to read it. I'm sure you can find it online with no problem, but if you cant, let me know and I'll look it up for you.
The scientific basis for our existence is discussed on a regular basis by Christians. You cant really believe that Christian universities don't have biology departments, or that the professors are all atheists. They are hardly atypical of Christians, by the way. Very few Christians take the creation story in Genesis literally, and those who do are not going to blow up your city because you don't. They aren't pushing to legislate their religion in any way, either. (Opposing abortion is not enforcing religion, in case you wanted to go there.)
You're dead wrong about tolerance. If Christians didn't tolerate non-Christians, there wouldn't be any in this country. More than 90% of Americans are Christian, but they don't use that bloc power to persecute, exile, or kill others. That don't choose to wield bloc power at all. (Muslimes do on a regular basis, in case you think it's impossible to do so.)
My comment about atheists was in response to a diatribe written by a typical Christian hating, spittle flecked, America-last, atheist leftwinger. If I were as intolerant as you imply, I would have reacted the same way to you. The other guy was one of those hatemongers who bases his atheism on hatred for Christianity (and probably no small amount of self loathing.)
As I wrote before, religion has been the excuse for many wars (nowhere near the majority,) but except for islame, it has rarely been the basis. War against non-Christians is not a tenet of Christianity, and it never has been. Wars are usually fought over a specific goal, and that goal is not religious supremacy. Only islame wants to establish itself as the "law" of the land worldwide.
I lso disagree that our place here is delicate. Mankind doesn't have the power to destroy life on Earth. We coudn't come close. We couldn't even destroy all human life.
As far as neither of us being able to change our stances, you should know that I used to be a Christian hating atheist. I changed my mind when I grew tired of believing in nothing.
Cheers.
Again, you're laboring under a lot of misconceptions about Christianity and Christians.
Logic and reason are inseperable from Christianity and faith, according to most theologians. Remenber the Pope's speeech I mentioned? The one that sparked a shit-storm from koranimals, and yes, atheists? That was the subject of his speech. You really need to read it. I'm sure you can find it online with no problem, but if you cant, let me know and I'll look it up for you.
The scientific basis for our existence is discussed on a regular basis by Christians. You cant really believe that Christian universities don't have biology departments, or that the professors are all atheists. They are hardly atypical of Christians, by the way. Very few Christians take the creation story in Genesis literally, and those who do are not going to blow up your city because you don't. They aren't pushing to legislate their religion in any way, either. (Opposing abortion is not enforcing religion, in case you wanted to go there.)
You're dead wrong about tolerance. If Christians didn't tolerate non-Christians, there wouldn't be any in this country. More than 90% of Americans are Christian, but they don't use that bloc power to persecute, exile, or kill others. That don't choose to wield bloc power at all. (Muslimes do on a regular basis, in case you think it's impossible to do so.)
My comment about atheists was in response to a diatribe written by a typical Christian hating, spittle flecked, America-last, atheist leftwinger. If I were as intolerant as you imply, I would have reacted the same way to you. The other guy was one of those hatemongers who bases his atheism on hatred for Christianity (and probably no small amount of self loathing.)
As I wrote before, religion has been the excuse for many wars (nowhere near the majority,) but except for islame, it has rarely been the basis. War against non-Christians is not a tenet of Christianity, and it never has been. Wars are usually fought over a specific goal, and that goal is not religious supremacy. Only islame wants to establish itself as the "law" of the land worldwide.
I lso disagree that our place here is delicate. Mankind doesn't have the power to destroy life on Earth. We coudn't come close. We couldn't even destroy all human life.
As far as neither of us being able to change our stances, you should know that I used to be a Christian hating atheist. I changed my mind when I grew tired of believing in nothing.
Cheers.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 04, 2007 03:42 AM (abVz3)
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 04, 2007 03:46 AM (abVz3)
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Phony:
America bled Britain dry? Is that what they teach cock-suckers like you in your sub-standard schools? (Standardized test scores far lower than ours.) Britain wasn't required to pay anything back during WWII, and we sure as hell weren't obligated to save your limey asses, you sniveling freeloader. You assholes went to war with us twice, and we forgave you. If we were bloodsuckers, we wouldn't have olet you wait decades to pay off your debt, and we wouldn't allow you to buy so much property in our country.
Your corporation bashing and war for oil chants mark you as a moron, but your calumny about America's relationship with a country that owes us its existence was contemptible.
Saddam's dead, and there's nothing a chav like you can do about it.
America bled Britain dry? Is that what they teach cock-suckers like you in your sub-standard schools? (Standardized test scores far lower than ours.) Britain wasn't required to pay anything back during WWII, and we sure as hell weren't obligated to save your limey asses, you sniveling freeloader. You assholes went to war with us twice, and we forgave you. If we were bloodsuckers, we wouldn't have olet you wait decades to pay off your debt, and we wouldn't allow you to buy so much property in our country.
Your corporation bashing and war for oil chants mark you as a moron, but your calumny about America's relationship with a country that owes us its existence was contemptible.
Saddam's dead, and there's nothing a chav like you can do about it.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 04, 2007 04:15 AM (abVz3)
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Jeff Bargholz
You prove yourself to be very common with the language you use. Some of the good points you make are drowned out by such language and people will be hard pressed to even consider what you say. A more toned down and reasonable approach will win the day when it comes to debating others who might differ in opinion. I suspect you are capable of reasoned thought, and I would hope for your sake that you present those reasoned thoughts in same manner. Otherwise, your presentations are doomed as coming from a raving lunatic.
You prove yourself to be very common with the language you use. Some of the good points you make are drowned out by such language and people will be hard pressed to even consider what you say. A more toned down and reasonable approach will win the day when it comes to debating others who might differ in opinion. I suspect you are capable of reasoned thought, and I would hope for your sake that you present those reasoned thoughts in same manner. Otherwise, your presentations are doomed as coming from a raving lunatic.
Posted by: honor justice at January 04, 2007 11:29 AM (U3SoB)
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honor justice: A stupid name. Tells much about yourself. Easy for those who produce little to belittle those that produce much. When you do as much for the cause as Jeff then you can correct him.
Posted by: Greyrooster at January 04, 2007 12:25 PM (gKESr)
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Most Brits would disagree with phoney: That is the real English people. England is now as screwed up racially as America. The vast majority of Anti-Americanism comes from those that are not true Englishmen. Nor will they ever be.
Posted by: Greyrooster at January 04, 2007 12:33 PM (gKESr)
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Peter: We will be proud to stay away from Europe. Now is we can just get you to stay away from America.
Posted by: Greyrooster at January 04, 2007 12:38 PM (gKESr)
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Greyrooster
You seem incapable to grasp the obvious. Do you not think Jeff can speak for himself? You have no idea how much or little one has done, based on only what you see on this forum.
What I said about Jeff is true. His rantings are like that of a raving lunatic and that is exactly how most people see him (well except for a few people like you).
I have a conservative outlook on things, but I believe Jeff to do harm to the conservative cause. If he were to be liberal minded with similar writings I would still say the same about him. His approach to debate is non-productive i.e. he cannot hope to sway peoples opinions with his crude common approach. Is Jeff a liberal minded person appearing as raving lunatic conservative type? Is he trying to make people believe what a fringe the liberals are up against?
It takes a more uncommon balanced approach for people to take one seriously. Jeff doesn't strike me as a person who is capable of hearing a reasonably balanced debate nor respond to one.
And by the way Grey, you make obvious your inability to produce reasonable comments. I say this because your go and attack the forum name I choose - very child like behaviour from you. I suspect you and Jeff are teenagers unable to get beyond your childhood fetishes like name calling and common rude language. Most children respond in the manner you two have. What other conclusion can I and many others have about you?
You seem incapable to grasp the obvious. Do you not think Jeff can speak for himself? You have no idea how much or little one has done, based on only what you see on this forum.
What I said about Jeff is true. His rantings are like that of a raving lunatic and that is exactly how most people see him (well except for a few people like you).
I have a conservative outlook on things, but I believe Jeff to do harm to the conservative cause. If he were to be liberal minded with similar writings I would still say the same about him. His approach to debate is non-productive i.e. he cannot hope to sway peoples opinions with his crude common approach. Is Jeff a liberal minded person appearing as raving lunatic conservative type? Is he trying to make people believe what a fringe the liberals are up against?
It takes a more uncommon balanced approach for people to take one seriously. Jeff doesn't strike me as a person who is capable of hearing a reasonably balanced debate nor respond to one.
And by the way Grey, you make obvious your inability to produce reasonable comments. I say this because your go and attack the forum name I choose - very child like behaviour from you. I suspect you and Jeff are teenagers unable to get beyond your childhood fetishes like name calling and common rude language. Most children respond in the manner you two have. What other conclusion can I and many others have about you?
Posted by: honor justice at January 04, 2007 02:39 PM (U3SoB)
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Grey,
By the way, I guess from your inane comments you disagree with honoring justice. What do you honor? Or did you not understand what the name was implying? - apparently not.
By the way, I guess from your inane comments you disagree with honoring justice. What do you honor? Or did you not understand what the name was implying? - apparently not.
Posted by: honor justice at January 04, 2007 02:47 PM (U3SoB)
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Michael Weaver,
Some good points in that article you posted. Unfortunately, not all would appear as it states.
The pilgrims coming over on the Mayflower in fact were not fleeing persecution. They believed they were called by God to settle the new land and spread the word of God to the natives. There is a memorium statue on the East coast that says as much.
The accounting of history is unfortunately miscontrued or misrepresented at times.
The US of A is a great country, but unfortunately it's history has at times been rewritten.
Some good points in that article you posted. Unfortunately, not all would appear as it states.
The pilgrims coming over on the Mayflower in fact were not fleeing persecution. They believed they were called by God to settle the new land and spread the word of God to the natives. There is a memorium statue on the East coast that says as much.
The accounting of history is unfortunately miscontrued or misrepresented at times.
The US of A is a great country, but unfortunately it's history has at times been rewritten.
Posted by: honor justice at January 04, 2007 04:29 PM (U3SoB)
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Pretentious Justice:
"Jeff Bargholz You prove yourself to be very common with the language you use. Some of the good points you make are drowned out by such language and people will be hard pressed to even consider what you say. A more toned down and reasonable approach will win the day when it comes to debating others who might differ in opinion. I suspect you are capable of reasoned thought, and I would hope for your sake that you present those reasoned thoughts in same manner. Otherwise, your presentations are doomed as coming from a raving lunatic."
If any of that were true, you wouldn't go to so much trouble to address me instead of what I wrote. Don't be a prig.
"Jeff Bargholz You prove yourself to be very common with the language you use. Some of the good points you make are drowned out by such language and people will be hard pressed to even consider what you say. A more toned down and reasonable approach will win the day when it comes to debating others who might differ in opinion. I suspect you are capable of reasoned thought, and I would hope for your sake that you present those reasoned thoughts in same manner. Otherwise, your presentations are doomed as coming from a raving lunatic."
If any of that were true, you wouldn't go to so much trouble to address me instead of what I wrote. Don't be a prig.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 04, 2007 10:10 PM (abVz3)
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Pretentious Justice:
Your comment about the Puritans was patently false. Despite being a powerful movement, they were indeed persecuted in England, and left to America because of it. Their desire to save the heathens' souls doesn't contradict that.
If you're going to use the inscription on a statue as the basis of your argument, you've already lost that argument. You might as well use the Rocky statue in Philadelphia to explain the importance of the American revolution.
Makes your smarmy lecture to me on proper debating techniques kind of ironic, doesn't it?
Your comment about the Puritans was patently false. Despite being a powerful movement, they were indeed persecuted in England, and left to America because of it. Their desire to save the heathens' souls doesn't contradict that.
If you're going to use the inscription on a statue as the basis of your argument, you've already lost that argument. You might as well use the Rocky statue in Philadelphia to explain the importance of the American revolution.
Makes your smarmy lecture to me on proper debating techniques kind of ironic, doesn't it?
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 04, 2007 10:25 PM (abVz3)
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Jeff,
The inscription on a statue honoring the quest of the Pilgrims and their desire to do God's will by; going to, dedicating the New world, dedicating its peoples to God, is a valid point in an argument. Historical truth is there. You choose only to believe the Hollywood version of what happened (which is where most websites regurgitated their story from). I prefer historical period books, not current renditions of what people may have thought or interjected into the history.
I guess you aren't willing to delve into the matter further, it might slightly change your stance on the matter.
You again are in the same boat as grey, trying to make light of the name honor justice, such childish actions. I chose the name honor justice because that is what the Iraqis did. They honored justice by executing Saddam. How low minded you guys are, same side of the coin and you don't even know it.
I wrote about your approach to debating rather than what you were debating because your points are lost in how you present the arguments.
The inscription on a statue honoring the quest of the Pilgrims and their desire to do God's will by; going to, dedicating the New world, dedicating its peoples to God, is a valid point in an argument. Historical truth is there. You choose only to believe the Hollywood version of what happened (which is where most websites regurgitated their story from). I prefer historical period books, not current renditions of what people may have thought or interjected into the history.
I guess you aren't willing to delve into the matter further, it might slightly change your stance on the matter.
You again are in the same boat as grey, trying to make light of the name honor justice, such childish actions. I chose the name honor justice because that is what the Iraqis did. They honored justice by executing Saddam. How low minded you guys are, same side of the coin and you don't even know it.
I wrote about your approach to debating rather than what you were debating because your points are lost in how you present the arguments.
Posted by: honor justice at January 04, 2007 11:04 PM (U3SoB)
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Jeff:
"As far as neither of us being able to change our stances, you should know that I used to be a Christian hating atheist. I changed my mind when I grew tired of believing in nothing.
Cheers.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 04, 2007 03:42 AM
ME TOO! It was so empty. There were to many things wrong with it, for me. Its why I am firmly for "free expression".
First I spent some time with Nordic paganism though. I still hang on to some of what gained through those experiences as well. Not going back to Atheism, now that I've compared it to other things.
USA, all the way!
"As far as neither of us being able to change our stances, you should know that I used to be a Christian hating atheist. I changed my mind when I grew tired of believing in nothing.
Cheers.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 04, 2007 03:42 AM
ME TOO! It was so empty. There were to many things wrong with it, for me. Its why I am firmly for "free expression".
First I spent some time with Nordic paganism though. I still hang on to some of what gained through those experiences as well. Not going back to Atheism, now that I've compared it to other things.
USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at January 05, 2007 12:04 AM (2OHpj)
Posted by: honor justice at January 06, 2007 03:38 AM (U3SoB)
Posted by: Michael Weaver at January 06, 2007 03:55 AM (2OHpj)
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Subvert justice:
The rapacious Pilgrims came to the New World to steal land and resources from the noble savages, who they burdened with feelings of religious guilt and repressive social practices. They turned paradise into a blue state.
That's the Hollywood view, moron.
When you decide which source you prefer for your history, books or statues, let me know. If you want to keep basing your arguments on the inscriptions on statues, I hear there are tons of Saddam Hussein statues waiting for your scholarly review. They're sure to conform to your high standards for accuracy.
Your specious argumentation was presented poorly and hypocritically. Insulting my polemics while spouting innacurate caricatures of history just made you look like the snot-nosed punk you are. I'm not surprised you sneer at Weaver and me for loving our country. You are a cheese-dick, after all.
The rapacious Pilgrims came to the New World to steal land and resources from the noble savages, who they burdened with feelings of religious guilt and repressive social practices. They turned paradise into a blue state.
That's the Hollywood view, moron.
When you decide which source you prefer for your history, books or statues, let me know. If you want to keep basing your arguments on the inscriptions on statues, I hear there are tons of Saddam Hussein statues waiting for your scholarly review. They're sure to conform to your high standards for accuracy.
Your specious argumentation was presented poorly and hypocritically. Insulting my polemics while spouting innacurate caricatures of history just made you look like the snot-nosed punk you are. I'm not surprised you sneer at Weaver and me for loving our country. You are a cheese-dick, after all.
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Saddam Meet Satan, Satan, This Is Saddam(updated/images/video)
UPDATE: Scroll down for videos.
Fox News on the teevee is reporting that Al Arabiya is reporting that Saddam swings.
Image via Wild Thing.
Official confirmation awaits.
Via CNN:
Former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein has been executed, according to two Arabic language media outlets.Hussein was hanged before dawn on Saturday in Iraq, at about 6 a.m. (10 p.m. Friday ET), the U.S.-backed Al-Hurra television reported.
BAGHDAD, Iraq — Saddam Hussein, the former president of Iraq, was executed by hanging shortly before dawn on Saturday in Iraq, Arab media outlets reported.More on why he was executed here.The U.S. military and FOX News have not yet confirmed that the execution has taken place. Al Jazeera, Al Arabiya wire services and U.S.-backed TV station Al Hurrah reported his death.
The man dubbed the Butcher of Baghdad was convicted of crimes against humanity for the killing of 148 Shiite men and young boys after their failed assassination attempt in 1982 in the village of Dujail.
For reaction from Iraq see comments on Mohammed's post at Iraq The Model.
Also see See Dubya at Hot Air, In The Bullpen and Gateway Pundit has an excellent post rounding up Saddam's brutality.
Have a laugh at the Looney Tunes coverage of the event.
because we are going to hit the 3.000 mark tomorrow. and they want to preempt the news about that.
Yes, Kos Kidz, the execution of Saddam was nothing more than a ploy to cover up the news of the next Grim Milestone. Morons.
12/30 A.M. Update: Hot Air has added video of the preparations. Scroll down.
Updated: (Click pic for video...lower quality embed and more images below the fold)
Saddam Hussein Execution Video here. (warning graphic copy that shows him fall).
More copies added below the fold. more...
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Famous last words: "Allahu Ak-k-k"
Evil men swing like a pendulum do
Soldiers in Humvees, two by two
Weapons of mass death, way back when
The hollow white cheeks of the dead children ...
"Remember that present I promised you boys if you were bad? Well here he is! Saddam, meet my 'boys.' ... No, sorry your highness, we're fresh out of vasoline. ... OK, who's second?"
Posted by: Bill Faith at December 29, 2006 11:17 PM (n7SaI)
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"Nobody deserved it more"
Very true. I'm with Jesusland Carlos on that point, for sure.
I believe justice was done here.
I feel a slight unease though. Basically we have all of these fancy courts popping up in the world, using high sounding phrases, and claiming they have moral superiority. But if you look at what they use as a standard of evidence, Winston Churchill, and FDR could be charged, and even convicted, for winning WW2!
Not only the international courts are political. National courts claim international authority, and the US 9th circuit court thinks it is G-d. The organizations that use them, or testify for them (ACLU, HRW, CAIR, MAS, etc) have their own political motives, and obvious double standards. Charges are flung around by non-experts, and clueless dupes (Qana) and there is a real threat to those who fight in a just cause.
When there is an incedent involving reasonable men like US Marines, vs mad dogs like the insurgents, and the so called crime scene was in hostile hands for hours, or days. When the investigation waits months before commencing are we supposed to accept that testimony, and evidence are unfaked, factual, and without bias? It sounds like the world would like us to do just that.
Unfortunatly, while justice has come to Saddam, we see similar expectations levelled against our own leaders, and by some of our own (?) people. Who will punish Bush? Who will punish Rumsfeld?
Or as some at Kos were willing to suggest, who will punish Leiberman? Kristol? O'Reily?
Just lie we can use a sword to slay the wicked, and rightly call it justice, so can the wicked raise a sword of their own, and repeat a lie till it is believed.
The French revolution, or the Russian revolution come to mind. During the commotion, if your treacherous you can execute your rivals on rumor alone. We need to be aware of this, because times here are not safe ones.
HEY! I'm just trying to ruin everyones day! Did it work?
Happy New year!
USA, all the way!
Very true. I'm with Jesusland Carlos on that point, for sure.
I believe justice was done here.
I feel a slight unease though. Basically we have all of these fancy courts popping up in the world, using high sounding phrases, and claiming they have moral superiority. But if you look at what they use as a standard of evidence, Winston Churchill, and FDR could be charged, and even convicted, for winning WW2!
Not only the international courts are political. National courts claim international authority, and the US 9th circuit court thinks it is G-d. The organizations that use them, or testify for them (ACLU, HRW, CAIR, MAS, etc) have their own political motives, and obvious double standards. Charges are flung around by non-experts, and clueless dupes (Qana) and there is a real threat to those who fight in a just cause.
When there is an incedent involving reasonable men like US Marines, vs mad dogs like the insurgents, and the so called crime scene was in hostile hands for hours, or days. When the investigation waits months before commencing are we supposed to accept that testimony, and evidence are unfaked, factual, and without bias? It sounds like the world would like us to do just that.
Unfortunatly, while justice has come to Saddam, we see similar expectations levelled against our own leaders, and by some of our own (?) people. Who will punish Bush? Who will punish Rumsfeld?
Or as some at Kos were willing to suggest, who will punish Leiberman? Kristol? O'Reily?
Just lie we can use a sword to slay the wicked, and rightly call it justice, so can the wicked raise a sword of their own, and repeat a lie till it is believed.
The French revolution, or the Russian revolution come to mind. During the commotion, if your treacherous you can execute your rivals on rumor alone. We need to be aware of this, because times here are not safe ones.
HEY! I'm just trying to ruin everyones day! Did it work?
Happy New year!
USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at December 29, 2006 11:18 PM (2OHpj)
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A ploy to cover up the left's exultation over 3000 Americans casualties? This is the same left who said America would never invade Iraq. Then, that Saddam would wipe out American forces with his WMD. He would then turn his WMD loose on American soil. Then he would never be captured. Then he never had WMD. Then his capture was a ploy to cover up the 2000 American casualty figure. Now they're back to the cover up conspiracy.
The depraved, rabidly anti-American moonbats on the left don't want anything to upstage their celebration over 3000 American fatalities. The 3000 mark is just another weapon they plan to use to force an American surrender, ala' Vietnam.
I honestly belive leftists get aroused over every American casualty. Meanwhile, they weep over evil Hussein.
Does anybody know if the casualty figures listed by the media is a fatality list, or just a sneaky way of insinuating every casualty was a fatality?
The depraved, rabidly anti-American moonbats on the left don't want anything to upstage their celebration over 3000 American fatalities. The 3000 mark is just another weapon they plan to use to force an American surrender, ala' Vietnam.
I honestly belive leftists get aroused over every American casualty. Meanwhile, they weep over evil Hussein.
Does anybody know if the casualty figures listed by the media is a fatality list, or just a sneaky way of insinuating every casualty was a fatality?
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 30, 2006 12:03 AM (abVz3)
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This was definitely not a good week to be a Muslim.
Posted by: Macker at December 30, 2006 12:12 AM (yj7X6)
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I bet Saddam is looking at Skeet Ulrich's picture above Satan's bed right now as Satan enjoys Saddamy.
Posted by: Speaking for the Choir at December 30, 2006 01:01 AM (b0FZu)
Posted by: CanForce 101 at December 30, 2006 04:02 AM (BMrv8)
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Looks natural. The way things should be in the natural world.
Posted by: Greyrooster at December 30, 2006 08:11 AM (XXvse)
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I guess the lefturds will be in mourning for quite a while over this, but at least they've still got Osama to give them hope.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 30, 2006 09:17 AM (v3I+x)
Posted by: Randman at December 30, 2006 09:37 AM (Sal3J)
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I guess the lefturds will be in mourning for quite a while over this, but at least they've still got Osama to give them hope.
We now know exactly how the Left will respond when we hang Osama-- "oh, but why don't we hang BUSH, the world's NO. 1 terrorist!". I've given up trying to please these people.
We now know exactly how the Left will respond when we hang Osama-- "oh, but why don't we hang BUSH, the world's NO. 1 terrorist!". I've given up trying to please these people.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 30, 2006 10:54 AM (8e/V4)
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See a sarcastic visual of George Bush playing a round of “Hangmanâ€â€¦here:
www.thoughttheater.com
www.thoughttheater.com
Posted by: Daniel DiRito at December 30, 2006 11:13 AM (kpeoC)
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United States - 1
Psychopathic Middle East dictators and international pariahs - 0
Let that one stew a while, leftards. I know it hurts.
Psychopathic Middle East dictators and international pariahs - 0
Let that one stew a while, leftards. I know it hurts.
Posted by: Good Lt at December 30, 2006 12:44 PM (D0TMh)
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Skeet Ulrich?
Posted by: Frank Hunter at December 30, 2006 12:45 PM (JGiPv)
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I don't know if anyone noticed, but look at saddams neck and his head in the photo of him dead. his neck is significantly longer than it was before he died. the hanging probably tore his spine up real good.
although, personally i would have prefered shooting him in the spider hole.
although, personally i would have prefered shooting him in the spider hole.
Posted by: Ben at December 30, 2006 01:01 PM (Eyjs1)
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I don't know if anyone noticed, but look at saddams neck and his head in the photo of him dead. his neck is significantly longer than it was before he died. the hanging probably tore his spine up real good.
although, personally i would have prefered shooting him in the spider hole.
although, personally i would have prefered shooting him in the spider hole.
Posted by: Ben at December 30, 2006 01:01 PM (Eyjs1)
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(with evil shadows, dead eyes and maniacal grin)
Did I ever tell you the story of Darth Saddam?
He became so powerful that the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power. Which, our course, he did.
Ironic isn't it. He had his followers murder dozens of truck drivers in snuff films film trying to hold onto his power. But in the end he couldn't save himself from the same fate.
Did I ever tell you the story of Darth Saddam?
He became so powerful that the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power. Which, our course, he did.
Ironic isn't it. He had his followers murder dozens of truck drivers in snuff films film trying to hold onto his power. But in the end he couldn't save himself from the same fate.
Posted by: Darth Odie Sidiousness at December 30, 2006 01:05 PM (YdcZ0)
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Im just curious as to why Saddam is the only one hung so far? We all know he is a dictator and terrorist murderer but it has been preoven without a doubt that all sunni muslims are the same.
Should we not execute all of Saddams relatives and countrymen the sunnis to wipe out the insurgents and give iraq back to the shiites who actually want to run a successful country?
There is more work to do here fellas, only then can we rejoice.
Should we not execute all of Saddams relatives and countrymen the sunnis to wipe out the insurgents and give iraq back to the shiites who actually want to run a successful country?
There is more work to do here fellas, only then can we rejoice.
Posted by: Jeremy Givens at December 30, 2006 01:17 PM (Nhfns)
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He's dead, Jim
Posted by: davec at December 30, 2006 02:05 PM (yaQM4)
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Jesusland Carlos;
per your comment #13
Follow the links to KOS. The maggot breeders already did that in their own comments section.
Their whole thread is riddled with non-facts, wild nonsense about the war, hate for our leaders, and of course they hold themselves as enlightened and morally superior to anyone who questions them.
I wouldn't leave my kids alone with any one of those brainwashed psychos for a second. Vermin. How many could manage to say either version (Under God, or otherwise)of the Pledge of Alegience? I leave it to speculation. It isn't a God issue, its an anti-American issue. Kos, etc. stink!
To quote a famous traitor, "Screw them!"
USA, all the way!
per your comment #13
Follow the links to KOS. The maggot breeders already did that in their own comments section.
Their whole thread is riddled with non-facts, wild nonsense about the war, hate for our leaders, and of course they hold themselves as enlightened and morally superior to anyone who questions them.
I wouldn't leave my kids alone with any one of those brainwashed psychos for a second. Vermin. How many could manage to say either version (Under God, or otherwise)of the Pledge of Alegience? I leave it to speculation. It isn't a God issue, its an anti-American issue. Kos, etc. stink!
To quote a famous traitor, "Screw them!"
USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at December 30, 2006 02:15 PM (2OHpj)
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Gorge Bush played a game of hang man and lost so he drue a picture of suddom and hey it came to life thank god hes out of there.
Posted by: trever k at December 30, 2006 03:01 PM (pvs8C)
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Gorge Bush played a game of hang man and lost so he drue a picture of suddom and hey it came to life thank god hes out of there.
Posted by: trever k at December 30, 2006 03:02 PM (pvs8C)
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Why can't Osama Bin Laden and Zawahiri die? I want them dead. They are still on my need to die list. Saddam, Mohammed Atef, and Zarqawi have been crossed off of the list.
Posted by: Frank Hunter at December 30, 2006 03:32 PM (JGiPv)
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Has anyone sent sympathy cards to the Liberal Media yet...I can imagine Randy Rhodes is just frantic
Posted by: matt d at December 30, 2006 04:20 PM (AFdxf)
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Heh!
"Saddam Meet Satan, Satan, This Is Saddam"
"DAD!"
"SON!"
(exchange of hugs, and improper touching, and stopping ...)
"Sorry I'm home early Dad!"
"That's OK Son, cause the Dems won the Senate AND the House. You can take it easy..."
"Dad! Is that who I think it is?"
"Yep, Son, thats the Prophet himself. Want to meet him?"
"Actually Dad, I was kinda stoked about meeting the 'virgins' ..."
"Oh, Son, did you forget? Your looking at the 'Prince of Lies' himself! The virgin thing was some of my best work ... now don't look so disappointed ... If your looking for some of the wild thang, I'll let you spend some time with my Grandsons ... you remember the boys, don't you?"
"Uh ... Thats OK Dad, are there any girls down here?"
"Son, you really deserve to spend some quality time with those exciteable progeny of yours. It will keep them out of trouble. Down here five minutes and they were trying to take over the place! Anyway, you really deserve this! You really deserve this ..."
"DAAAD! NOOO!"
The end?
USA, all the way!
"Saddam Meet Satan, Satan, This Is Saddam"
"DAD!"
"SON!"
(exchange of hugs, and improper touching, and stopping ...)
"Sorry I'm home early Dad!"
"That's OK Son, cause the Dems won the Senate AND the House. You can take it easy..."
"Dad! Is that who I think it is?"
"Yep, Son, thats the Prophet himself. Want to meet him?"
"Actually Dad, I was kinda stoked about meeting the 'virgins' ..."
"Oh, Son, did you forget? Your looking at the 'Prince of Lies' himself! The virgin thing was some of my best work ... now don't look so disappointed ... If your looking for some of the wild thang, I'll let you spend some time with my Grandsons ... you remember the boys, don't you?"
"Uh ... Thats OK Dad, are there any girls down here?"
"Son, you really deserve to spend some quality time with those exciteable progeny of yours. It will keep them out of trouble. Down here five minutes and they were trying to take over the place! Anyway, you really deserve this! You really deserve this ..."
"DAAAD! NOOO!"
The end?
USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at December 30, 2006 06:31 PM (2OHpj)
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What I feel uneasy about is why death by hanging??? there are more ways of carrying out a death sentence...lethal injection being one of them.
I know he was a monster, but my human caring side still feels the pain of of others no matter who they are.
can anyone answer this one?
I know he was a monster, but my human caring side still feels the pain of of others no matter who they are.
can anyone answer this one?
Posted by: wonderer at December 30, 2006 07:17 PM (Mi3x/)
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Wonderer:
Not that it matters, but hanging is one of the most merciful, painless, and error-free forms of execution. The body feels no pain, and doesn't fly into the violent convulsions caused by lethal injection.
Hussein got off easy, especially in a sadistic place like the Middle East.
Not that it matters, but hanging is one of the most merciful, painless, and error-free forms of execution. The body feels no pain, and doesn't fly into the violent convulsions caused by lethal injection.
Hussein got off easy, especially in a sadistic place like the Middle East.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 30, 2006 08:34 PM (abVz3)
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Germy Givens:
While you're busy killing all the sunnis, you can kill all the leftist trolls along with them.
Dick breath.
While you're busy killing all the sunnis, you can kill all the leftist trolls along with them.
Dick breath.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 30, 2006 08:46 PM (abVz3)
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Have a laugh at the Looney Tunes coverage of the event.
Why for you compare us to those guys?
YARGHRAARTHBTT!!!
Why for you compare us to those guys?
YARGHRAARTHBTT!!!
Posted by: Taz at December 30, 2006 10:09 PM (v5fbO)
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Yeah, doc, don't be a maroon.
Posted by: Bugs Bunny at December 30, 2006 10:10 PM (v5fbO)
Posted by: Michael Weaver at December 31, 2006 04:53 AM (2OHpj)
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saddam i dead he killed so many so have bush and blair i hope there next
wake up smell the coffee
wake up smell the coffee
Posted by: faz at December 31, 2006 10:29 AM (/qBYe)
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saddam is dead hanged under humanity charges
since 2003 bush and blair have killed over half a million in iraq when do they see the rope? i hope soon death to bush and blair thats only fair
since 2003 bush and blair have killed over half a million in iraq when do they see the rope? i hope soon death to bush and blair thats only fair
Posted by: feraz younas at December 31, 2006 10:37 AM (/qBYe)
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I personally think he got off too easy after watching the video. I think they should have let the victims family beat him. Sounds real vicious I know, but he was unmercifully vicious and evil.
Hanging was way to short for him. Too bad, he couldn't stick around for the end of the trial for the Kurdish villagers that he slain. I wonder what they would have given him then? A gas chamber?
Hanging was way to short for him. Too bad, he couldn't stick around for the end of the trial for the Kurdish villagers that he slain. I wonder what they would have given him then? A gas chamber?
Posted by: sav at December 31, 2006 12:11 PM (paZgD)
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feraz younas:
Are you sure it's only half a million? I heard on the next Lancet Report, they've revised it to be half a Gazilion, Billion, based on knocking on doors in Iraq and asking them if anyone has died.
Are you sure it's only half a million? I heard on the next Lancet Report, they've revised it to be half a Gazilion, Billion, based on knocking on doors in Iraq and asking them if anyone has died.
Posted by: davec at December 31, 2006 12:15 PM (yaQM4)
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feraz younas:
To give you a little enlightenment, of why polling Iraqi's about their losses is a bad idea to get a grip of how many people are killed, is the fact that Iraqi's unlike the west live in tight-knit family/friend type communities.
knock on door #1 "who has died in your family in the occupation?"
My nephew
knock on door #21 who has died in your family in the occupation?"
My Son
If door #1, and #21 are brothers, they are referring to the same person.
Then there is the fact that Arabs love to exaggerate.
To give you a little enlightenment, of why polling Iraqi's about their losses is a bad idea to get a grip of how many people are killed, is the fact that Iraqi's unlike the west live in tight-knit family/friend type communities.
knock on door #1 "who has died in your family in the occupation?"
My nephew
knock on door #21 who has died in your family in the occupation?"
My Son
If door #1, and #21 are brothers, they are referring to the same person.
Then there is the fact that Arabs love to exaggerate.
Posted by: davec at December 31, 2006 12:22 PM (yaQM4)
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davec:
i don't think you understand the reason they killed saddam one ov the reason was that he was killing his own people to get his way! Are not bush and blair doing the same thing? Our soildiers for oil!!!! think use ur head
i don't think you understand the reason they killed saddam one ov the reason was that he was killing his own people to get his way! Are not bush and blair doing the same thing? Our soildiers for oil!!!! think use ur head
Posted by: feraz younas at December 31, 2006 01:00 PM (/qBYe)
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feraz younas:
Yes, all that lovely Oil, the fact that it would have been cheaper to have purchased all of the Oil at fair market rate, than the Iraq war has cost so far, must be quite a conundrum for you.
Are you sure it isn't just a Jewish plot? conjured up by Sharon from his base in the center of the earth?
Yes, all that lovely Oil, the fact that it would have been cheaper to have purchased all of the Oil at fair market rate, than the Iraq war has cost so far, must be quite a conundrum for you.
Are you sure it isn't just a Jewish plot? conjured up by Sharon from his base in the center of the earth?
Posted by: davec at December 31, 2006 02:07 PM (yaQM4)
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davec:
True that Arabs love to exaggerate, but what about those WMDs that Iraq was going to wipe out the world with? If the latter is not the mother of all exaggerations I don't know what is.
Following your logic, given that Arabs exaggerate then the number of people that Sadam killed has been exaggerated.
How many Americans and Iraqi's did Sadam kill? How many did Bush kill? When's the next trial?
True that Arabs love to exaggerate, but what about those WMDs that Iraq was going to wipe out the world with? If the latter is not the mother of all exaggerations I don't know what is.
Following your logic, given that Arabs exaggerate then the number of people that Sadam killed has been exaggerated.
How many Americans and Iraqi's did Sadam kill? How many did Bush kill? When's the next trial?
Posted by: juniper at December 31, 2006 03:17 PM (S8Hhn)
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Just a note to unthinking reactionaries:
Yes -Saddam was a meglomaniac and the world is better off without him.
Yes -our invasion of Iraq has been a disaster which has made America less safe and given the terriorists much greater justification for recruiting more foot soldiers.
No -he didn't have WMD.
No -he wasn't part of 9/11.
No -Saddam's execution is a poor substitute for Osama's execution.
No -Saddam's execution is NOT worth the life of my buddies dying and brain damaged and legless on the streets of a country that doesn't want to be pushed around by us honkies.
Yes -If some bully country invaded the US I would be an insurgent, I would be planting bombs to chase out the invaders, I would be giving my life to chase out the feckers. Wouldn't you?
Yes - George Bush is a cheese headed stump of a castrated pig.
Yes -Saddam is dead, we won that battle, but we are losing the war on terrorism.
Yes -Saddam was a meglomaniac and the world is better off without him.
Yes -our invasion of Iraq has been a disaster which has made America less safe and given the terriorists much greater justification for recruiting more foot soldiers.
No -he didn't have WMD.
No -he wasn't part of 9/11.
No -Saddam's execution is a poor substitute for Osama's execution.
No -Saddam's execution is NOT worth the life of my buddies dying and brain damaged and legless on the streets of a country that doesn't want to be pushed around by us honkies.
Yes -If some bully country invaded the US I would be an insurgent, I would be planting bombs to chase out the invaders, I would be giving my life to chase out the feckers. Wouldn't you?
Yes - George Bush is a cheese headed stump of a castrated pig.
Yes -Saddam is dead, we won that battle, but we are losing the war on terrorism.
Posted by: bran michael at December 31, 2006 03:33 PM (ycU6h)
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Spaz:
You is dum. Bush and Blair no be killed because them is not genocidal criminals.
Saddam am in Hell with fake Prophet Muhammad.
You is dum. Bush and Blair no be killed because them is not genocidal criminals.
Saddam am in Hell with fake Prophet Muhammad.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 31, 2006 05:42 PM (abVz3)
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Fatass Younis:
Where's the oil Bush took? You're right. We don't understand, becuase you're an idiot.
I guess we missed the the part where Bush gassed Mormons, drilled holes in children, ripped out tongues, raped women, and threw people to the dogs. American soldiers die in battle, not under Bush's Chief minister of torture and pain.
Where's the oil Bush took? You're right. We don't understand, becuase you're an idiot.
I guess we missed the the part where Bush gassed Mormons, drilled holes in children, ripped out tongues, raped women, and threw people to the dogs. American soldiers die in battle, not under Bush's Chief minister of torture and pain.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 31, 2006 05:48 PM (abVz3)
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Stupider:
Arabs love to lie. Who exagerrated about WMD? (WMD is plural, by the way.) Bush told the American people exactly what every intelligence agency on Earth told him.
You might want to explain the WMD that were found, and the New York Times' assertion that Hussein was hard at work on his WMD program--which is exactly what the President said. We all know you moonbats treat the New Dork Times as the leftist Gospel.
Give up the "Bush lied, people died," bullshit. Only the terminally stupid believe that. (You look like you're about to drop any minute now.)
Following your logic, if nobody exagerrated about WMD, then nobody exagerrated about Hussein's death toll.
How many people does Hussein have to have killed before you pretend to give a shit? Bush doesn't murder his fellow citizens, you vicious harpy. Why don't you tell us how many terrorists he's killed, and see if we cry about it?
If you don't like the way the commander in chief prosecutes the mission in Iraq, tough shit. You aren't the President. Only a mindless cunt would equate Bush with Hussein and demand he be tried for fictional crimes.
If stupidity were a crime, you would be serving a life sentence.
Arabs love to lie. Who exagerrated about WMD? (WMD is plural, by the way.) Bush told the American people exactly what every intelligence agency on Earth told him.
You might want to explain the WMD that were found, and the New York Times' assertion that Hussein was hard at work on his WMD program--which is exactly what the President said. We all know you moonbats treat the New Dork Times as the leftist Gospel.
Give up the "Bush lied, people died," bullshit. Only the terminally stupid believe that. (You look like you're about to drop any minute now.)
Following your logic, if nobody exagerrated about WMD, then nobody exagerrated about Hussein's death toll.
How many people does Hussein have to have killed before you pretend to give a shit? Bush doesn't murder his fellow citizens, you vicious harpy. Why don't you tell us how many terrorists he's killed, and see if we cry about it?
If you don't like the way the commander in chief prosecutes the mission in Iraq, tough shit. You aren't the President. Only a mindless cunt would equate Bush with Hussein and demand he be tried for fictional crimes.
If stupidity were a crime, you would be serving a life sentence.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 31, 2006 06:03 PM (abVz3)
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Bad Michael:
Just a note to unthinking, reactionary projectionists:
Yes -Saddam was a genocidal monster and the world is better off without him.
Yes -our invasion of Iraq has been more sucessful than the prosecution of WWII, has made America safer and hasn't affected the terriorists excuse for recruiting more foot soldiers to go be killed while trying to slaughter innocent Iraqis.
Yes -he did have WMD, although that wasn't why he was overthrown.
Nobody claimed he was part of 9/11.
Saddam's execution is not a substitute for Osama's execution, and it was not carried out by America. (No doubt Bin Loser will be collared in due course now that the mighty, terrorist killing Dhimmiecrats have taken Congress.)
No -Saddam's execution was NOT offered in place of your fictional buddies dying and brain damaged and legless on the streets of a country of Arab honkies (Arabs are White, you racist ignoramus,) that desperately wants America to stay until it is able to handle things on its own.
No -If some muslim country invaded the US you would'nt be an "insurgent," (check a dictionary, retard,) you would be pissing your pants and collaborating with the invaders against the country you hate, you would be giving up your mother's life to save your own worthless ass.. but I wouldn't.
Yes -islamopithecines have travelled from around the world to help in Iraq--to help kill Iraqis.
No -the terrorists are not "insurgents," and yes, Iraq is beging America to stay until the job is done.
Yes - you are a cheese headed stump of a castrated pig (whatever that is.)
Yes -Saddam is dead, we won that battle, the terrorists are being snuffed at a rate of more than 100 per day.
Yes, you are an irredeemable piece of tratorous filth who gives aid and comfort to his country's enemies. You're also amazingly stupid and ineffective.
Just a note to unthinking, reactionary projectionists:
Yes -Saddam was a genocidal monster and the world is better off without him.
Yes -our invasion of Iraq has been more sucessful than the prosecution of WWII, has made America safer and hasn't affected the terriorists excuse for recruiting more foot soldiers to go be killed while trying to slaughter innocent Iraqis.
Yes -he did have WMD, although that wasn't why he was overthrown.
Nobody claimed he was part of 9/11.
Saddam's execution is not a substitute for Osama's execution, and it was not carried out by America. (No doubt Bin Loser will be collared in due course now that the mighty, terrorist killing Dhimmiecrats have taken Congress.)
No -Saddam's execution was NOT offered in place of your fictional buddies dying and brain damaged and legless on the streets of a country of Arab honkies (Arabs are White, you racist ignoramus,) that desperately wants America to stay until it is able to handle things on its own.
No -If some muslim country invaded the US you would'nt be an "insurgent," (check a dictionary, retard,) you would be pissing your pants and collaborating with the invaders against the country you hate, you would be giving up your mother's life to save your own worthless ass.. but I wouldn't.
Yes -islamopithecines have travelled from around the world to help in Iraq--to help kill Iraqis.
No -the terrorists are not "insurgents," and yes, Iraq is beging America to stay until the job is done.
Yes - you are a cheese headed stump of a castrated pig (whatever that is.)
Yes -Saddam is dead, we won that battle, the terrorists are being snuffed at a rate of more than 100 per day.
Yes, you are an irredeemable piece of tratorous filth who gives aid and comfort to his country's enemies. You're also amazingly stupid and ineffective.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 31, 2006 06:23 PM (abVz3)
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juniper:
If you wasn't some sort of rabid batshit crazy, shemale pacifist hippy, you might recall there were more than WMD given as a reason to invade Iraq, I know you lefties like to 'reinvent' History, but here is little snippets from Bush's U.N speech, 12 September 2002:
n 1991, Security Council Resolution 688 demanded that the Iraqi regime cease at once the repression of its own people, including the systematic repression of minorities -- which the Council said, threatened international peace and security in the region. This demand goes ignored.
Last year, the U.N. Commission on Human Rights found that Iraq continues to commit extremely grave violations of human rights, and that the regime's repression is all pervasive. Tens of thousands of political opponents and ordinary citizens have been subjected to arbitrary arrest and imprisonment, summary execution, and torture by beating and burning, electric shock, starvation, mutilation, and rape. Wives are tortured in front of their husbands, children in the presence of their parents -- and all of these horrors concealed from the world by the apparatus of a totalitarian state.
What part of that was untrue, moonbat? moving on:
In 1991, the U.N. Security Council, through Resolutions 686 and 687, demanded that Iraq return all prisoners from Kuwait and other lands. Iraq's regime agreed. It broke its promise. Last year the Secretary General's high-level coordinator for this issue reported that Kuwait, Saudi, Indian, Syrian, Lebanese, Iranian, Egyptian, Bahraini, and Omani nationals remain unaccounted for -- more than 600 people. One American pilot is among them.
again?
In 1991, the U.N. Security Council, through Resolution 687, demanded that Iraq renounce all involvement with terrorism, and permit no terrorist organizations to operate in Iraq. Iraq's regime agreed. It broke this promise. In violation of Security Council Resolution 1373, Iraq continues to shelter and support terrorist organizations that direct violence against Iran, Israel, and Western governments. Iraqi dissidents abroad are targeted for murder. In 1993, Iraq attempted to assassinate the Emir of Kuwait and a former American President. Iraq's government openly praised the attacks of September the 11th. And al Qaeda terrorists escaped from Afghanistan and are known to be in Iraq.
It is a known fact that Saddam supported terror:
http://www.husseinandterror.com/ there you can see copies of checks he sent to the families of suicide bombers, and terrorists like Abu Nidal who actually lived in a house provided by Iraqi security services, before he committed suicide by shooting himself multiple times in the head, shortly before the American invasion, anyway we soldier on:
Look we finally get to the WMD, after the three resolutions he cited as being broken already:
n 1991, the Iraqi regime agreed to destroy and stop developing all weapons of mass destruction and long-range missiles, and to prove to the world it has done so by complying with rigorous inspections. Iraq has broken every aspect of this fundamental pledge.
This is a fact, not only were inspectors kicked out, but Saddam failed to prove he did not have a WMD program.
From 1991 to 1995, the Iraqi regime said it had no biological weapons. After a senior official in its weapons program defected and exposed this lie, the regime admitted to producing tens of thousands of liters of anthrax and other deadly biological agents for use with Scud warheads, aerial bombs, and aircraft spray tanks. U.N. inspectors believe Iraq has produced two to four times the amount of biological agents it declared, and has failed to account for more than three metric tons of material that could be used to produce biological weapons. Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.
So using the United Nations as evidence.
United Nations' inspections also revealed that Iraq likely maintains stockpiles of VX, mustard and other chemical agents, and that the regime is rebuilding and expanding facilities capable of producing chemical weapons.
And in 1995, after four years of deception, Iraq finally admitted it had a crash nuclear weapons program prior to the Gulf War. We know now, were it not for that war, the regime in Iraq would likely have possessed a nuclear weapon no later than 1993.
Those United Nations people sound like jingoist's making the case for war!
The United States has no quarrel with the Iraqi people; they've suffered too long in silent captivity. Liberty for the Iraqi people is a great moral cause, and a great strategic goal. The people of Iraq deserve it; the security of all nations requires it. Free societies do not intimidate through cruelty and conquest, and open societies do not threaten the world with mass murder. The United States supports political and economic liberty in a unified Iraq.
You guys are so bat shit crazy, you don't even realize that there was more issues involved than WMD.
Just like the moonbats that claim the World Trade Center didn't fall because of fire, ignoring the Airplane impacts, you moonbats claim the only reason was WMD, and ignore President Bush gave numerous United Nations resolutions violated, along with the WMD as the reason for the Iraq war.
If you wasn't some sort of rabid batshit crazy, shemale pacifist hippy, you might recall there were more than WMD given as a reason to invade Iraq, I know you lefties like to 'reinvent' History, but here is little snippets from Bush's U.N speech, 12 September 2002:
n 1991, Security Council Resolution 688 demanded that the Iraqi regime cease at once the repression of its own people, including the systematic repression of minorities -- which the Council said, threatened international peace and security in the region. This demand goes ignored.
Last year, the U.N. Commission on Human Rights found that Iraq continues to commit extremely grave violations of human rights, and that the regime's repression is all pervasive. Tens of thousands of political opponents and ordinary citizens have been subjected to arbitrary arrest and imprisonment, summary execution, and torture by beating and burning, electric shock, starvation, mutilation, and rape. Wives are tortured in front of their husbands, children in the presence of their parents -- and all of these horrors concealed from the world by the apparatus of a totalitarian state.
What part of that was untrue, moonbat? moving on:
In 1991, the U.N. Security Council, through Resolutions 686 and 687, demanded that Iraq return all prisoners from Kuwait and other lands. Iraq's regime agreed. It broke its promise. Last year the Secretary General's high-level coordinator for this issue reported that Kuwait, Saudi, Indian, Syrian, Lebanese, Iranian, Egyptian, Bahraini, and Omani nationals remain unaccounted for -- more than 600 people. One American pilot is among them.
again?
In 1991, the U.N. Security Council, through Resolution 687, demanded that Iraq renounce all involvement with terrorism, and permit no terrorist organizations to operate in Iraq. Iraq's regime agreed. It broke this promise. In violation of Security Council Resolution 1373, Iraq continues to shelter and support terrorist organizations that direct violence against Iran, Israel, and Western governments. Iraqi dissidents abroad are targeted for murder. In 1993, Iraq attempted to assassinate the Emir of Kuwait and a former American President. Iraq's government openly praised the attacks of September the 11th. And al Qaeda terrorists escaped from Afghanistan and are known to be in Iraq.
It is a known fact that Saddam supported terror:
http://www.husseinandterror.com/ there you can see copies of checks he sent to the families of suicide bombers, and terrorists like Abu Nidal who actually lived in a house provided by Iraqi security services, before he committed suicide by shooting himself multiple times in the head, shortly before the American invasion, anyway we soldier on:
Look we finally get to the WMD, after the three resolutions he cited as being broken already:
n 1991, the Iraqi regime agreed to destroy and stop developing all weapons of mass destruction and long-range missiles, and to prove to the world it has done so by complying with rigorous inspections. Iraq has broken every aspect of this fundamental pledge.
This is a fact, not only were inspectors kicked out, but Saddam failed to prove he did not have a WMD program.
From 1991 to 1995, the Iraqi regime said it had no biological weapons. After a senior official in its weapons program defected and exposed this lie, the regime admitted to producing tens of thousands of liters of anthrax and other deadly biological agents for use with Scud warheads, aerial bombs, and aircraft spray tanks. U.N. inspectors believe Iraq has produced two to four times the amount of biological agents it declared, and has failed to account for more than three metric tons of material that could be used to produce biological weapons. Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.
So using the United Nations as evidence.
United Nations' inspections also revealed that Iraq likely maintains stockpiles of VX, mustard and other chemical agents, and that the regime is rebuilding and expanding facilities capable of producing chemical weapons.
And in 1995, after four years of deception, Iraq finally admitted it had a crash nuclear weapons program prior to the Gulf War. We know now, were it not for that war, the regime in Iraq would likely have possessed a nuclear weapon no later than 1993.
Those United Nations people sound like jingoist's making the case for war!
The United States has no quarrel with the Iraqi people; they've suffered too long in silent captivity. Liberty for the Iraqi people is a great moral cause, and a great strategic goal. The people of Iraq deserve it; the security of all nations requires it. Free societies do not intimidate through cruelty and conquest, and open societies do not threaten the world with mass murder. The United States supports political and economic liberty in a unified Iraq.
You guys are so bat shit crazy, you don't even realize that there was more issues involved than WMD.
Just like the moonbats that claim the World Trade Center didn't fall because of fire, ignoring the Airplane impacts, you moonbats claim the only reason was WMD, and ignore President Bush gave numerous United Nations resolutions violated, along with the WMD as the reason for the Iraq war.
Posted by: davec at December 31, 2006 06:43 PM (yaQM4)
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Don't kill bad people but put them in prison for life.
Posted by: Tom at December 31, 2006 11:29 PM (uznVJ)
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I think this is not very a good way to punish people like you have done to this man. I hope that Saddam's friends will be executed in a same way but please remember those people are created by God just like you. The lord say "love your enemy"
when you do this to other people you will be in hell in the last judgement. "It works..."
when you do this to other people you will be in hell in the last judgement. "It works..."
Posted by: Kevnjch at December 31, 2006 11:43 PM (uznVJ)
Posted by: Max Power at December 31, 2006 11:53 PM (PM8kH)
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This makes no sense. He killed so many people and got hanged. In Singapore they just hang u if u possess too much drugs. Where is justice? Where is equality?
Posted by: Pinto at January 01, 2007 01:11 AM (LuiJZ)
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Just laws? See my earlier comment Jeff.
Posted by: Pinto at January 01, 2007 01:14 AM (LuiJZ)
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Mr Pee:
In case you hadn't noticed, there's a bit of a difference between celebrating a single death and actually killing a million people under horrific circumstances.
In case you hadn't noticed, there's a bit of a difference between celebrating a single death and actually killing a million people under horrific circumstances.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 01, 2007 01:40 AM (abVz3)
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Tom:
I'm sure the relatives of families Saddam had tortured to death would enjoy having their tax dollars pay to take care of him for life.
Then again, probably not.
I'm sure the relatives of families Saddam had tortured to death would enjoy having their tax dollars pay to take care of him for life.
Then again, probably not.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 01, 2007 01:42 AM (abVz3)
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Kevinjch:
As far as I know, nobody here executed Saddam. I doubt we're going to go to Hell for watching the video. Besides, the Bible doesn't claim that men go to Hell for enforcing just laws.
As far as I know, nobody here executed Saddam. I doubt we're going to go to Hell for watching the video. Besides, the Bible doesn't claim that men go to Hell for enforcing just laws.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 01, 2007 01:47 AM (abVz3)
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Mr. Me you are all that is wrong with with the left. Saddam could not have been more evil but you champion his death with the fervor of a saint betrayed. I guess you never lost a family member to his execution squads or sister to his rapist sons regime, or a brother to his insurgent following. You have no concept of how to handle to the truely irredemable so do us all a favor; shut the fuck up or act. You all talk of "a better way" yet have no history of providing one. You're a cancer. Do something or step aside and let men handle what you're too weak to do.
Posted by: usmcshooter at January 01, 2007 05:39 AM (fqLSZ)
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I think this is not very a good way to punish people like you have done
to this man. I hope that Saddam's friends will be executed in a same
way
Wow. The makes a whole heck of a lot of sense! These are the braniac Lefties we keep hearing about? LOL.
to this man. I hope that Saddam's friends will be executed in a same
way
Wow. The makes a whole heck of a lot of sense! These are the braniac Lefties we keep hearing about? LOL.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 01, 2007 11:28 AM (8e/V4)
Posted by: feraz younas at January 01, 2007 08:35 PM (/qBYe)
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And maybe FIDEL CASTRO will soon join them
Posted by: sandpiper at January 01, 2007 09:30 PM (2cLBb)
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Mr. Bargholz,
Calling a woman a 'mindless cunt' for having the audacity to express opinions you take issue with - nice form! You're a real credit to the people of your mind-set - congratulations!
After perusing your finely crafted postings, I have to hand it to you... you have an exceptional proclivity for generalizing. 'Arabs love to lie', and, 'Bush told the American people exactly what every intelligence agency on Earth told him' (are you privy to what every intelligence agency on Earth told him? I didn't know that members of the general public were allowed admittance to intelligence briefings given to the President - or perhaps you are a secret member of GB's Cabinet?!), are but two exceptionally bold statements proffered as irrefutable fact. People who say things you don't agree with are, 'rabidly anti-American moonbats' (In future missives, may I suggest that you always include a hyphen when calling someone a 'moon-bat' - it will help lessen your embarrassment quotient... which would be extremely high at this point I imagine, even by, say, middle-school-level standards... You want children, and dim-witted adults, to laugh WITH you - not AT you).
Yes you generalize, and spew right-wing-style dogma (with the best of them), as if reading from a manual - while accusing people you've determined to be 'leftists' of doing the very same thing. UNMITIGATED, BLATANT HYPOCRISY, of which you are completely oblivious to!! It's astoundingly refreshing to see the work of someone so self-unaware, so willing to expose oneself in print nowadays - good on you! Then there's the bold quote: 'While you're busy killing all the sunnis, you can kill all the leftist trolls along with them. Dick breath.' You leave yourself naked to anyone with an I.Q. over 78 with that statement - what a wonderfully unsupervised little intellect you have! It's like a toddler in a playpen - with a machine gun!
It would not surprise me in the slightest - if at some point in time - you've proudly proclaimed yourself, "A Ditto-Head"... thus including yourself with the most blindly-stupid chattel in the last thirty-five years. Doing research for future missives perhaps?! You sly dog... Even a complete fool knows that people who profess to be "Ditto-Heads" are essentially saying, "Whatever Rush says, I just say, "Ditto" to - I don't have to think for myself... I just say "Ditto", while Rush does all the thinking"! Rush is right about everything anyway! (ha ha...)."
We both know that those types of people make for the easiest targets in the political landscape. Obviously, it's THEM and their sheep-head, think-alikes that should be in Iraq, making up the cannon fodder. Why I'm sure that an army of "Ditto-Heads" would whip that country into shape in no time. Meanwhile, for those of us who are 4F - fat and comfortable - there is a war to be waged here, at home, for the hearts and minds of the populous. Imagine... if the two of us CONVINCED two women that they were 'mindless cunts' a day for a week, and those two convinced two of their friends that they were 'mindless cunts' a day, and so on, and so on - we'd have the entire female portion of this great country believing that they were 'mindless cunts' in a matter of weeks... unless somebody disagreed with us somewhere along the way...... Shit... Well, you can deal with that variable by becoming more entrenched and strident...
Anyway, I don't have to tell you the importance of this shouting down of women to the war effort... Hell - it's your brainstorm!
To the best of my knowledge, there is no left-wing wind-bag urging people to call themselves "Ditto-Heads" - nor any independently minded person that I know of who would ever consider calling themselves anything so feeble as a "Ditto-Head" - yet I see "Ditto-Head", and "I'm with Rush" bumper stickers festooned on the ass-ends of cars everywhere around this nation. I wonder if they are really stupid enough to believe what that propagandizing charlatan says, or if they are simply addicted to Oxycontin - and are advertising for a fix...?
No matter to you... the fact is the machinery is in place, and you have demonstrated that you will run your mouth unbridled - given the slightest perceived provocation. Therefore, I think you should push ahead with "Operation Mindless Cunt" (pardon my presumption here - perhaps you wish to change the name to something worse) post haste! Also, you should continue to persist - as if robotic-ally - in calling those who oppose your views, 'mindless', 'stupid', 'moonbats' (sic) - in effect brainless morons, or "sheep". You see, I've heard it suggested that people who hate the Right-Wing's strident, boring, easy-to-ignore, generalizing dogma could possibly build a substantial case that "Ditto-Heads" (hell, anyone spewing right-wing dogma) are stupid "sheep" as well. This is why you need to step up the rhetoric - louder and faster - an out-and-out blitzkrieg!
I humbly suggest that you put some more creativity, some more oomph (if you will) into your future missives. Something like this might work on an angry man like you for example: Is it true that GW's dick is as tiny as has been reported by the women he used to snort coke and whore with while his daddy was Mayor McCheese? You must know - as you have obviously been sucking it for some time now. And as long as we're on the subject of cock-sucking - how much does it cost to have a couple of ribs removed so you can suck your own dick? You've doubtless been spending lots of time engaged in that activity as well - I can't imagine any man, woman or animal that would freely perform that act on someone so obviously filled with as much self-loathing as you have within you... you wretched, undoubtedly ugly, shit-eating maggot... By the way, your mother asked me to ask you to stop coming into her room to fuck her in the ass each night - and I saw you're _________ (enter name of wife, daughter, whichever causes the most desire to kill) on the internet last night. She was taking it up the ass by a guy packing a huge crank, while taking it in the snatch by another. She was also sucking one, and holding two others - making for a grand total of 5 dicks she was handling at once. At the end of the clip, they all spewed into her mouth...
Do you see what I mean? You need attacks that pack more of a punch - anyone can call a woman a 'cunt', or a guy a motherfucker, or prick. Those words have become clichés in the modern lexicon. Let your mind flow. You may have it in you to be much more of a disgusting wretch than you already are - and women who dare deviate from the right-wing party line need to be verbally assaulted immediately. Tender sensibilities have no place in your new world order - you know that - and the power of a swiftly delivered 'mindless cunt' can crush those sensibilities before they can become something positive.
Now remember - I'm here to help. You end your note posted December 31, 2006 06:03 PM with somewhat of a low-brow, one-liner, (remember - this is constructive criticism) 'If stupidity were a crime, you would be serving a life sentence.' To that I add this aside: 'If semi-illiteracy were a crime, you would be serving time.' The word 'exagerrated' (as you spelled it three times throughout you above mentioned posting) is actually spelled, 'exaggerated'. Remember your sixth-grade speller - we wouldn't want anyone to think that you are a shit-for-brains!
I'm certainly glad I'm not a 'leftist' - I've voted independent all my life. And no one can call me 'Anti-American' either - I've spent my time defending this country. I'm simply writing, inspired by the cause. When I read that a man is calling a woman a 'mindless cunt' for expressing her opinions in this land of free speech, I figure it's my duty to come help keep this indispensable type of inspired dialog flowing - and to help stifle things out, if necessary.
Did I say 'stifle'?! I meant straighten...
Good golly - what a malapropism... I'm blushing...
Calling a woman a 'mindless cunt' for having the audacity to express opinions you take issue with - nice form! You're a real credit to the people of your mind-set - congratulations!
After perusing your finely crafted postings, I have to hand it to you... you have an exceptional proclivity for generalizing. 'Arabs love to lie', and, 'Bush told the American people exactly what every intelligence agency on Earth told him' (are you privy to what every intelligence agency on Earth told him? I didn't know that members of the general public were allowed admittance to intelligence briefings given to the President - or perhaps you are a secret member of GB's Cabinet?!), are but two exceptionally bold statements proffered as irrefutable fact. People who say things you don't agree with are, 'rabidly anti-American moonbats' (In future missives, may I suggest that you always include a hyphen when calling someone a 'moon-bat' - it will help lessen your embarrassment quotient... which would be extremely high at this point I imagine, even by, say, middle-school-level standards... You want children, and dim-witted adults, to laugh WITH you - not AT you).
Yes you generalize, and spew right-wing-style dogma (with the best of them), as if reading from a manual - while accusing people you've determined to be 'leftists' of doing the very same thing. UNMITIGATED, BLATANT HYPOCRISY, of which you are completely oblivious to!! It's astoundingly refreshing to see the work of someone so self-unaware, so willing to expose oneself in print nowadays - good on you! Then there's the bold quote: 'While you're busy killing all the sunnis, you can kill all the leftist trolls along with them. Dick breath.' You leave yourself naked to anyone with an I.Q. over 78 with that statement - what a wonderfully unsupervised little intellect you have! It's like a toddler in a playpen - with a machine gun!
It would not surprise me in the slightest - if at some point in time - you've proudly proclaimed yourself, "A Ditto-Head"... thus including yourself with the most blindly-stupid chattel in the last thirty-five years. Doing research for future missives perhaps?! You sly dog... Even a complete fool knows that people who profess to be "Ditto-Heads" are essentially saying, "Whatever Rush says, I just say, "Ditto" to - I don't have to think for myself... I just say "Ditto", while Rush does all the thinking"! Rush is right about everything anyway! (ha ha...)."
We both know that those types of people make for the easiest targets in the political landscape. Obviously, it's THEM and their sheep-head, think-alikes that should be in Iraq, making up the cannon fodder. Why I'm sure that an army of "Ditto-Heads" would whip that country into shape in no time. Meanwhile, for those of us who are 4F - fat and comfortable - there is a war to be waged here, at home, for the hearts and minds of the populous. Imagine... if the two of us CONVINCED two women that they were 'mindless cunts' a day for a week, and those two convinced two of their friends that they were 'mindless cunts' a day, and so on, and so on - we'd have the entire female portion of this great country believing that they were 'mindless cunts' in a matter of weeks... unless somebody disagreed with us somewhere along the way...... Shit... Well, you can deal with that variable by becoming more entrenched and strident...
Anyway, I don't have to tell you the importance of this shouting down of women to the war effort... Hell - it's your brainstorm!
To the best of my knowledge, there is no left-wing wind-bag urging people to call themselves "Ditto-Heads" - nor any independently minded person that I know of who would ever consider calling themselves anything so feeble as a "Ditto-Head" - yet I see "Ditto-Head", and "I'm with Rush" bumper stickers festooned on the ass-ends of cars everywhere around this nation. I wonder if they are really stupid enough to believe what that propagandizing charlatan says, or if they are simply addicted to Oxycontin - and are advertising for a fix...?
No matter to you... the fact is the machinery is in place, and you have demonstrated that you will run your mouth unbridled - given the slightest perceived provocation. Therefore, I think you should push ahead with "Operation Mindless Cunt" (pardon my presumption here - perhaps you wish to change the name to something worse) post haste! Also, you should continue to persist - as if robotic-ally - in calling those who oppose your views, 'mindless', 'stupid', 'moonbats' (sic) - in effect brainless morons, or "sheep". You see, I've heard it suggested that people who hate the Right-Wing's strident, boring, easy-to-ignore, generalizing dogma could possibly build a substantial case that "Ditto-Heads" (hell, anyone spewing right-wing dogma) are stupid "sheep" as well. This is why you need to step up the rhetoric - louder and faster - an out-and-out blitzkrieg!
I humbly suggest that you put some more creativity, some more oomph (if you will) into your future missives. Something like this might work on an angry man like you for example: Is it true that GW's dick is as tiny as has been reported by the women he used to snort coke and whore with while his daddy was Mayor McCheese? You must know - as you have obviously been sucking it for some time now. And as long as we're on the subject of cock-sucking - how much does it cost to have a couple of ribs removed so you can suck your own dick? You've doubtless been spending lots of time engaged in that activity as well - I can't imagine any man, woman or animal that would freely perform that act on someone so obviously filled with as much self-loathing as you have within you... you wretched, undoubtedly ugly, shit-eating maggot... By the way, your mother asked me to ask you to stop coming into her room to fuck her in the ass each night - and I saw you're _________ (enter name of wife, daughter, whichever causes the most desire to kill) on the internet last night. She was taking it up the ass by a guy packing a huge crank, while taking it in the snatch by another. She was also sucking one, and holding two others - making for a grand total of 5 dicks she was handling at once. At the end of the clip, they all spewed into her mouth...
Do you see what I mean? You need attacks that pack more of a punch - anyone can call a woman a 'cunt', or a guy a motherfucker, or prick. Those words have become clichés in the modern lexicon. Let your mind flow. You may have it in you to be much more of a disgusting wretch than you already are - and women who dare deviate from the right-wing party line need to be verbally assaulted immediately. Tender sensibilities have no place in your new world order - you know that - and the power of a swiftly delivered 'mindless cunt' can crush those sensibilities before they can become something positive.
Now remember - I'm here to help. You end your note posted December 31, 2006 06:03 PM with somewhat of a low-brow, one-liner, (remember - this is constructive criticism) 'If stupidity were a crime, you would be serving a life sentence.' To that I add this aside: 'If semi-illiteracy were a crime, you would be serving time.' The word 'exagerrated' (as you spelled it three times throughout you above mentioned posting) is actually spelled, 'exaggerated'. Remember your sixth-grade speller - we wouldn't want anyone to think that you are a shit-for-brains!
I'm certainly glad I'm not a 'leftist' - I've voted independent all my life. And no one can call me 'Anti-American' either - I've spent my time defending this country. I'm simply writing, inspired by the cause. When I read that a man is calling a woman a 'mindless cunt' for expressing her opinions in this land of free speech, I figure it's my duty to come help keep this indispensable type of inspired dialog flowing - and to help stifle things out, if necessary.
Did I say 'stifle'?! I meant straighten...
Good golly - what a malapropism... I'm blushing...
Posted by: Your Shadow at January 02, 2007 03:19 AM (guae3)
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All you guys were totaly blinded by your government policy(US gov), thats why your comments was very strange.
The fact that your gov sent the troops to Iraq only for protecting the oil private business not for US pride? Now you blame the destroyed humvee and thousands dead soldiers to Saddam? What was Saadam do were to protect his country against colonialism. You guys
Plz Don't make your mind confused.
The fact that your gov sent the troops to Iraq only for protecting the oil private business not for US pride? Now you blame the destroyed humvee and thousands dead soldiers to Saddam? What was Saadam do were to protect his country against colonialism. You guys
Plz Don't make your mind confused.
Posted by: noan at January 02, 2007 03:54 AM (po7+i)
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next execution: Bush, J.howard, tony blair,
Posted by: fuck at January 02, 2007 05:20 AM (vs5c4)
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I hope osama bin laden, destroyer usa, Australia, england!!! Bravo osama...bravo afganistan...
Posted by: fuck at January 02, 2007 05:28 AM (vs5c4)
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FINALLY THIS EVIL U KNOW WHAT IS DEAD,,,HE GOT EVERYTHING HE DESERVED,,ALTHOUGH I THINK HE SHOULD OF BEEN TORTURED PAINFULLY VERY PAINFULLY A LOT LONGER,,,BUT JUSTICE HAS BEEN SERVED,,ROT IN HELL U DIRTY FILTHY A##HOLE,,NOW U R HOME,,,CLICK UR HEELS 3 TIMES AND SAY THERES NO PLACE LIKE HOME THERES NO PLACE LIKE HOME THERES NO PLACE LIKE HOME,,,'''HELL''' IS UR HOME NOW!!!!!!!!!!!AND UR NOT IN KANSAS ANYMORE,,,HAAAAAAAAA LOL,,,,,,OH HE SO GOT WHAT HE DESERVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: stephanie at January 02, 2007 11:37 AM (uS2ag)
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"Your Shadow"
You must be one of the many sophisticated Liberals that I hear we should put in charge to change the United States, your logic is outstanding!
You:Calling a woman a 'mindless cunt' for having the audacity to express opinions you take issue with - nice form! You're a real credit to the people of your mind-set - congratulations!
[...] later in your post:
You:
And as long as we're on the subject of cock-sucking - how much does it cost to have a couple of ribs removed so you can suck your own dick?
[...]
By the way, your mother asked me to ask you to stop coming into her room to fuck her in the ass each night - and I saw you're _________ (enter name of wife, daughter, whichever causes the most desire to kill) on the internet last night. She was taking it up the ass by a guy packing a huge crank, while taking it in the snatch by another. She was also sucking one, and holding two others - making for a grand total of 5 dicks she was handling at once. At the end of the clip, they all spewed into her mouth...
So I am to assume you're venomous screed is because you agree with him? or otherwise didn't you just commit the very 'sin' you accused him of:
Calling a woman a 'mindless cunt' for having the audacity to express opinions you take issue with
You probably need to get a prescription.
You must be one of the many sophisticated Liberals that I hear we should put in charge to change the United States, your logic is outstanding!
You:Calling a woman a 'mindless cunt' for having the audacity to express opinions you take issue with - nice form! You're a real credit to the people of your mind-set - congratulations!
[...] later in your post:
You:
And as long as we're on the subject of cock-sucking - how much does it cost to have a couple of ribs removed so you can suck your own dick?
[...]
By the way, your mother asked me to ask you to stop coming into her room to fuck her in the ass each night - and I saw you're _________ (enter name of wife, daughter, whichever causes the most desire to kill) on the internet last night. She was taking it up the ass by a guy packing a huge crank, while taking it in the snatch by another. She was also sucking one, and holding two others - making for a grand total of 5 dicks she was handling at once. At the end of the clip, they all spewed into her mouth...
So I am to assume you're venomous screed is because you agree with him? or otherwise didn't you just commit the very 'sin' you accused him of:
Calling a woman a 'mindless cunt' for having the audacity to express opinions you take issue with
You probably need to get a prescription.
Posted by: davec at January 02, 2007 02:57 PM (yaQM4)
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Davec,
Sin?
Nowhere in my note did I characterize what Bargholz said was a sin - neither do I think I sinned any more than you did by reprinting mine and Bargholz’s “dirty†words. But that’s me - do you think that practicing free speech is a ‘sin’? Are you some sort of fascist or something?
My goal was simple: to help Bargholze improve his verbalizing skills - whilst shouting down women - by providing an improved, more elaborate example of a response to an offending point of view. I wrote my example so as to be something that he could understand on a visceral level - as I imagine a woman would, being called a ‘mindless cunt’.
By the way, you can call me a liberal all you want - the fact is, I’m not. If I were prone to generalizing - as Bargholze certainly is - I might say that right-wingers seem to be quick to categorize anyone who challenges them (in any fashion - purposefully or not) as “Liberalâ€. It’s unimaginable that a person could think for oneself - isn’t it?
Sin?
Nowhere in my note did I characterize what Bargholz said was a sin - neither do I think I sinned any more than you did by reprinting mine and Bargholz’s “dirty†words. But that’s me - do you think that practicing free speech is a ‘sin’? Are you some sort of fascist or something?
My goal was simple: to help Bargholze improve his verbalizing skills - whilst shouting down women - by providing an improved, more elaborate example of a response to an offending point of view. I wrote my example so as to be something that he could understand on a visceral level - as I imagine a woman would, being called a ‘mindless cunt’.
By the way, you can call me a liberal all you want - the fact is, I’m not. If I were prone to generalizing - as Bargholze certainly is - I might say that right-wingers seem to be quick to categorize anyone who challenges them (in any fashion - purposefully or not) as “Liberalâ€. It’s unimaginable that a person could think for oneself - isn’t it?
Posted by: Your Shadow at January 02, 2007 05:37 PM (guae3)
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"Your Shadow":
Your post did nothing to address the issue that I pointed out, that being your own hypocrisy -- but you did manage to throw in a reference to me being a 'fascist', what a great smokescreen for avoiding the issue that was. Bravo.
Your post did nothing to address the issue that I pointed out, that being your own hypocrisy -- but you did manage to throw in a reference to me being a 'fascist', what a great smokescreen for avoiding the issue that was. Bravo.
Posted by: davec at January 02, 2007 07:40 PM (yaQM4)
Posted by: Donald Fjog at January 02, 2007 08:48 PM (/QQd9)
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Davec,
Hilarious the way you use your misunderstanding of my postings to serve your ends - outstanding even! Went right over your head yet again...
Yes, you unwittingly have several of the rudimentary skills requisite to becoming a fascist-style propaganda minister - in the Joseph Goebbels’ mode - it’s true... With a lot of diligent work, someday you may even be able to communicate on the level of (dare I say it...) Bargholz himself!
The fact that you seem delighted that you’ve exposed me as a ‘hypocrite’, given the subject-matter provided in my original missive to Bargholz (who threw down the gauntlet by calling a woman a ‘mindless cunt’) serves to expose you as the unrelenting moron that you are. I’ve given you two chances - time’s up...
You think that calling me a hypocrite is some kind of revelation?! I’ve got news for you, brainiac: WE’RE ALL FUCKING HYPOCRITES - EVERY HUMAN ON THIS PLANET, AT LEAST AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER! That was one of the noteworthy points intertwined within my missive to Bargholz in the first place - but unfortunately, things have to be spelled out for you in crayon, don’t they Davek?
Shit, I was looking for some fun - but at this point, you are even more boring than Burgholz was. Neither of you are worth the distraction... I therefore leave the vitriol we’ve engendered with you. Go ahead, get the last word in - I won’t be visiting this site again, so I won’t see it. Better yet, get someone else to write for you - someone with the ability to see beneath the superficial...
Are you done looking up superficial in the dictionary yet? Let’s continue then...
As for the stupidity, the cow-tail mindlessness, the spewing of clichés, the utter lack of originality - I leave those elements back where they originated from... with you and your crony Bargholz (who doesn’t even have the balls to stick up for himself against me apparently. Perhaps his balls are in your mouth - ba doomp boomp!).
You see, you’re both too easy - and I’m unwilling to invest any more time trying to educate the terminally dim... Verbal sparring with you puny, self-loathing troglodytes is unfulfilling - to say the least.
So have fun with your hatred and “Ditto-Head†idiocy - do your worst with your stupidity to the fellow inhabitants of this planet you find objectionable! Left unchecked, my bet is that you’ll lead yourselves to ruin trying... Hatred is a dangerous element...
God bless you - fucking hypocrite! Huzzah!
Hilarious the way you use your misunderstanding of my postings to serve your ends - outstanding even! Went right over your head yet again...
Yes, you unwittingly have several of the rudimentary skills requisite to becoming a fascist-style propaganda minister - in the Joseph Goebbels’ mode - it’s true... With a lot of diligent work, someday you may even be able to communicate on the level of (dare I say it...) Bargholz himself!
The fact that you seem delighted that you’ve exposed me as a ‘hypocrite’, given the subject-matter provided in my original missive to Bargholz (who threw down the gauntlet by calling a woman a ‘mindless cunt’) serves to expose you as the unrelenting moron that you are. I’ve given you two chances - time’s up...
You think that calling me a hypocrite is some kind of revelation?! I’ve got news for you, brainiac: WE’RE ALL FUCKING HYPOCRITES - EVERY HUMAN ON THIS PLANET, AT LEAST AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER! That was one of the noteworthy points intertwined within my missive to Bargholz in the first place - but unfortunately, things have to be spelled out for you in crayon, don’t they Davek?
Shit, I was looking for some fun - but at this point, you are even more boring than Burgholz was. Neither of you are worth the distraction... I therefore leave the vitriol we’ve engendered with you. Go ahead, get the last word in - I won’t be visiting this site again, so I won’t see it. Better yet, get someone else to write for you - someone with the ability to see beneath the superficial...
Are you done looking up superficial in the dictionary yet? Let’s continue then...
As for the stupidity, the cow-tail mindlessness, the spewing of clichés, the utter lack of originality - I leave those elements back where they originated from... with you and your crony Bargholz (who doesn’t even have the balls to stick up for himself against me apparently. Perhaps his balls are in your mouth - ba doomp boomp!).
You see, you’re both too easy - and I’m unwilling to invest any more time trying to educate the terminally dim... Verbal sparring with you puny, self-loathing troglodytes is unfulfilling - to say the least.
So have fun with your hatred and “Ditto-Head†idiocy - do your worst with your stupidity to the fellow inhabitants of this planet you find objectionable! Left unchecked, my bet is that you’ll lead yourselves to ruin trying... Hatred is a dangerous element...
God bless you - fucking hypocrite! Huzzah!
Posted by: Your Shadow at January 02, 2007 09:11 PM (guae3)
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I must say I've enjoyed reading everyone's comments (well, those who can spell correctly anyway).
It's good to give facts when making a political point. Unfortunately that is something the media refuses to give our citizens 95% of the time...well-rounded facts not based on opinion or political swagger. It's hard to see the truth through all of the agendas. So for those of you who can actually quote history and truth to give everyone else the bigger picture, bravo to you!
My husband and I were talking about how much money our country could be saving by taking Iraq's lead and putting to death those who are sentenced to it within a thirty day period. HELLO. Tax dollars much? Anyone have any facts on how much it costs you and I to keep an inmate alive for 20 years while he waits to get gassed?
I'm all for giving someone an opportunity to come clean and repent for their mistakes, but why prolong something that will inevitably happen when that money could go towards getting our own people off the streets? Don't you think Americans would think twice about committing heinous crimes if they knew they were risking death within 30 days?
It's good to give facts when making a political point. Unfortunately that is something the media refuses to give our citizens 95% of the time...well-rounded facts not based on opinion or political swagger. It's hard to see the truth through all of the agendas. So for those of you who can actually quote history and truth to give everyone else the bigger picture, bravo to you!
My husband and I were talking about how much money our country could be saving by taking Iraq's lead and putting to death those who are sentenced to it within a thirty day period. HELLO. Tax dollars much? Anyone have any facts on how much it costs you and I to keep an inmate alive for 20 years while he waits to get gassed?
I'm all for giving someone an opportunity to come clean and repent for their mistakes, but why prolong something that will inevitably happen when that money could go towards getting our own people off the streets? Don't you think Americans would think twice about committing heinous crimes if they knew they were risking death within 30 days?
Posted by: LL at January 02, 2007 10:12 PM (0ISIv)
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Well done you lot. You have managed to turn a simple discussion about Saddams execution into a foul mouthed slagging match, Bravo.
Personally, I think that he is now in a better place for us who still walk this earth. The planet isn't big enough for the pure evil that people like Saddam possess. Also Bush and Blair are also to blame for part of the suffering that goes on. The only difference between Saddam Bush and Blair is that the latter two manage to do their bidding while using their power and corruption as protection. Saddam only had his brainwashed cranks. (Although Bush and Blair supporters are often found to be brainwashed cranks also.).
To sum it up, he is dead but it doesnt change a thing. More people will die and be tortured etc. The only way to get on with the world properly is to let people who care and arent red neck imbreds rule the world.
Ent...
Personally, I think that he is now in a better place for us who still walk this earth. The planet isn't big enough for the pure evil that people like Saddam possess. Also Bush and Blair are also to blame for part of the suffering that goes on. The only difference between Saddam Bush and Blair is that the latter two manage to do their bidding while using their power and corruption as protection. Saddam only had his brainwashed cranks. (Although Bush and Blair supporters are often found to be brainwashed cranks also.).
To sum it up, he is dead but it doesnt change a thing. More people will die and be tortured etc. The only way to get on with the world properly is to let people who care and arent red neck imbreds rule the world.
Ent...
Posted by: Entemol at January 03, 2007 02:28 AM (kCdx+)
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Well done you lot. You have managed to turn a simple discussion about Saddams execution into a foul mouthed slagging match, Bravo.
Personally, I think that he is now in a better place for us who still walk this earth. The planet isn't big enough for the pure evil that people like Saddam possess. Also Bush and Blair are also to blame for part of the suffering that goes on. The only difference between Saddam Bush and Blair is that the latter two manage to do their bidding while using their power and corruption as protection. Saddam only had his brainwashed cranks. (Although Bush and Blair supporters are often found to be brainwashed cranks also.).
To sum it up, he is dead but it doesnt change a thing. More people will die and be tortured etc. The only way to get on with the world properly is to let people who care and arent red neck imbreds rule the world.
Ent...
Personally, I think that he is now in a better place for us who still walk this earth. The planet isn't big enough for the pure evil that people like Saddam possess. Also Bush and Blair are also to blame for part of the suffering that goes on. The only difference between Saddam Bush and Blair is that the latter two manage to do their bidding while using their power and corruption as protection. Saddam only had his brainwashed cranks. (Although Bush and Blair supporters are often found to be brainwashed cranks also.).
To sum it up, he is dead but it doesnt change a thing. More people will die and be tortured etc. The only way to get on with the world properly is to let people who care and arent red neck imbreds rule the world.
Ent...
Posted by: Entemol at January 03, 2007 02:28 AM (kCdx+)
Posted by: Sherman at January 03, 2007 04:45 AM (guae3)
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if you think sadam is eval i think you should look at who is running USA and that place the jews stole long live palstine long live sadam long live islam
Posted by: yanky redneck fuck at January 03, 2007 09:18 AM (ZBYAj)
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We are in school in PgC. watching this! Thank god that son of a bitch is dead! They should have televised it right when it happend! There better not be any bullshit about, it wasnt him or something along those lines! Although there are so many ways that he could have died, but it wouldnt have been ractional! once again THANK GOD THAT BITCH IS DEAD!!!
Posted by: Christine, Olivia, Nick, Candace at January 03, 2007 10:36 AM (76lbp)
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No one can rally be sure of anything!
Posted by: Carmen scialla at January 03, 2007 11:40 AM (cKPtH)
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F*ck saddam , let him hang
Posted by: whitey at January 03, 2007 12:22 PM (BojBe)
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"Your Shadow":
Let me simply surmise your talking point:
You're a Hitler, Sir, a fucking jackbooted Jew stomping Hitler! (what other thing can I throw in to avoid answering)
Yawn -- and surprise you're never coming back, enjoy your "victory" with a congratulatory wank, I'm sure you keep the Kleenex and Lotion next to the monitor.
Let me simply surmise your talking point:
You're a Hitler, Sir, a fucking jackbooted Jew stomping Hitler! (what other thing can I throw in to avoid answering)
Yawn -- and surprise you're never coming back, enjoy your "victory" with a congratulatory wank, I'm sure you keep the Kleenex and Lotion next to the monitor.
Posted by: davec at January 03, 2007 12:51 PM (yaQM4)
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hmm..
saddam = dead? =)
finally, after one man took lives from
thousands of other, he himself has his
life
take away.
sounds kind of nice to hear, actually.
signed:__ very pleased
saddam = dead? =)
finally, after one man took lives from
thousands of other, he himself has his
life
take away.
sounds kind of nice to hear, actually.
signed:__ very pleased
Posted by: very pleased at January 03, 2007 04:24 PM (fokKw)
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hmm..
saddam = dead? =)
finally, after one man took lives from
thousands of other, he himself has his
life
take away.
sounds kind of nice to hear, actually.
signed:__ very pleased
saddam = dead? =)
finally, after one man took lives from
thousands of other, he himself has his
life
take away.
sounds kind of nice to hear, actually.
signed:__ very pleased
Posted by: very pleased at January 03, 2007 04:24 PM (fokKw)
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hmm..
saddam = dead? =)
finally, after one man took lives from
thousands of other, he himself has his
life
take away.
sounds kind of nice to hear, actually.
signed:__ very pleased
saddam = dead? =)
finally, after one man took lives from
thousands of other, he himself has his
life
take away.
sounds kind of nice to hear, actually.
signed:__ very pleased
Posted by: very pleased at January 03, 2007 04:24 PM (fokKw)
Posted by: missy at January 03, 2007 04:27 PM (fokKw)
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Well they hung Sadam!
After reading all of your posts it's clear that hatred is still alive and well.
As a Canadian I'd just like to say that I'm sitting here wondering, would the U.S maybe be better off, if instead of spending all those billions pissing everyone in the middle east off (the one's you're not killing anyway) you could teach more people to spell!
No- I'm not a liberal
No- I didn't finish high school, and I don't need you to correct my grammar and spelling
Yes- I think you leader is a dangerous man who is making my world a more dangerous place to live for generations to come.
Just a freindly neighbor having a little fun. Let the venomous right wing rants begin.
After reading all of your posts it's clear that hatred is still alive and well.
As a Canadian I'd just like to say that I'm sitting here wondering, would the U.S maybe be better off, if instead of spending all those billions pissing everyone in the middle east off (the one's you're not killing anyway) you could teach more people to spell!
No- I'm not a liberal
No- I didn't finish high school, and I don't need you to correct my grammar and spelling
Yes- I think you leader is a dangerous man who is making my world a more dangerous place to live for generations to come.
Just a freindly neighbor having a little fun. Let the venomous right wing rants begin.
Posted by: Canuck at January 03, 2007 04:47 PM (D1kZe)
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Canuck:
Well speaking for myself, I doubt there is anything the US government could do to try and improve my spelling that I'm not already doing.
When I was a kid I went to regional spelling bees, and did pretty good. I had dyslexia, even then, but I could handle it. I tried to write a number of things that never got accepted, and then a few years back I had double pneumonia, and a hundred and four fever. I took baths in ice cold water, and hallucinated. Weeks passed, I 'recoverd' but would fall over if I didn't use visual references to tell me which way was up. Also I lost control of my dyslexia enough that I thought I might never try to write again.
Now I practice on the Jawa Report. I still make mistakes, especially when I'm tired, but my confidence is returning, and so the rest gets easier. But my spelling isn't as important as the 14 centuries of Jihad, or the lingering cult of Marxism, that threaten freedom tody.
Sure, I hate Saddam. So what? I hate lots of evil people. At least my hatred was formed during my adult years. In the middle East hate is being forced into children who are only three years old! We are not pissing off these people. they are brainwashing their own children to hate, and kill, and die for Allah.
I have seen a lot of the news about Sharia in Canada, and you don't want it there if you love liberty. Show your "true patriot love" and keep it out of your country. It is totalitarianism. God keep your land "glorious and free!"
USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at January 04, 2007 01:14 PM (2OHpj)
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Posted by: iavdu hlrpbmt at May 22, 2007 07:34 PM (OMXcu)
December 02, 2006
Wash. Sup. Court : Right to Keep and Bear Arms an Individual Right
There's a full discussion over at The Volokh Conspiracy. Excerpt:
The plurality and the dissent disagree on whether the failure to instruct the jury about the defendant's required mental state was harmless in this case, but they agree that the Second Amendment protects the right to bear arms, and that this counsels against reading the statute as imposing strict liability.
h/t : Glenn.
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Good for all citizens, especially those prone to violence, such as Muslims.
Posted by: Speaking for the Choir at December 02, 2006 01:05 PM (HSkSw)
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(Moslems got choirs?)
Moslems don't like people fighting back, so they will be all for gun control, for everyone else.
Moslems don't like people fighting back, so they will be all for gun control, for everyone else.
Posted by: Phillep at December 02, 2006 04:13 PM (ZdLzf)
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Phillep, you are absolutely correct. Gun control is the number one hot topic in Pakistan, Waziristan, Palestine, Somalia and Iraq.
Posted by: Speaking for the Choir at December 02, 2006 04:17 PM (HSkSw)
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Most Muslim Countries are the NRA's Wet dream!!
Those contries it's the LAW that the male of the house has to have a weapon to defend their family and property!! The US and UK forces found that out very quickly!
The us Consitution does give the person the right to bear arms but in the form of a regulated millita?
I'm rusty on your, now obsolite, beginings!!
Those contries it's the LAW that the male of the house has to have a weapon to defend their family and property!! The US and UK forces found that out very quickly!
The us Consitution does give the person the right to bear arms but in the form of a regulated millita?
I'm rusty on your, now obsolite, beginings!!
Posted by: sol at December 02, 2006 05:25 PM (fuinW)
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The "male of the house" is expected to be armed, if he has the right political connections. Specifically, if he is Moslem.
Now, if he is Zoroastrian or Christian, there might be a little problem.
Posted by: Phillep at December 02, 2006 06:56 PM (+pO76)
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Since you can buy an AK47 in the third world for about the price of a good new tire, it would be cheap and relatively easy to move them into the US. Islamists here won't run out of guns, if you make them illegal.
Disarming the honest citizens will just leave communities defensless, when the clock stikes the hour. Besides, in some parts of the US, you would still need the military to disarm the people. Better to work with the people, than oppress them.
We the people, are the same as the ones whose right to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Look up 'infringed', then say you'll let me infringe your rights. Betchya you won't.
Have a good one.
USA all the way!
Disarming the honest citizens will just leave communities defensless, when the clock stikes the hour. Besides, in some parts of the US, you would still need the military to disarm the people. Better to work with the people, than oppress them.
We the people, are the same as the ones whose right to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Look up 'infringed', then say you'll let me infringe your rights. Betchya you won't.
Have a good one.
USA all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at December 02, 2006 07:20 PM (2OHpj)
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Phillllep,
in Muslim and Arab nations it's the law that ALL male heads of the house must be able to protect thier home and famile! nothing to do with connections!!
Connections only get you away scot free if you shoot someone, when drunk, with a shotgun while hunting ducks in America!
in Muslim and Arab nations it's the law that ALL male heads of the house must be able to protect thier home and famile! nothing to do with connections!!
Connections only get you away scot free if you shoot someone, when drunk, with a shotgun while hunting ducks in America!
Posted by: sol at December 02, 2006 07:21 PM (fuinW)
Posted by: sol at December 02, 2006 07:36 PM (fuinW)
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The us Consitution does give the person the right to bear arms but in the form of a regulated millita?
Sol-
Parrot the HCI talking points all you want, but you might want to actually read the Constitution next time before you pontificate on it.
Sol-
Parrot the HCI talking points all you want, but you might want to actually read the Constitution next time before you pontificate on it.
Posted by: The All-Seeing Pirate Ragnar at December 02, 2006 07:41 PM (Nn8Ag)
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All seeing Pirate ranger doood:
please read my post in FULL!!!
the bit "I'm rusty on your, now obsolite, beginings!!"
should point you to a realistation that i might not be American!!!!
So please can you post the amendment where the right to bare arms is stated! In full please, so you can educate me!
please read my post in FULL!!!
the bit "I'm rusty on your, now obsolite, beginings!!"
should point you to a realistation that i might not be American!!!!
So please can you post the amendment where the right to bare arms is stated! In full please, so you can educate me!
Posted by: sol at December 02, 2006 07:54 PM (fuinW)
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Sol, I don't know what you'd consider a "wet dream" but I think I am accurate in saying that the bulk of the membership of the NRA would rather not have to fight for our rights every single day of every year.
We'd rather get together to hold shooting competitions, hunt, study firearms history and ponder the wonder that was John Moses Browning.
Try learning what the NRA was about before they had to turn into a political force in order to enforce the Constitution.
You can find the text of the 2nd Amendment on the (nominally) neutral site of Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Text
A very useful source, if you truly seek education on the topic, is
http://www.davekopel.org/2dAmendment.htm#Second%20Amendment
We'd rather get together to hold shooting competitions, hunt, study firearms history and ponder the wonder that was John Moses Browning.
Try learning what the NRA was about before they had to turn into a political force in order to enforce the Constitution.
You can find the text of the 2nd Amendment on the (nominally) neutral site of Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Text
A very useful source, if you truly seek education on the topic, is
http://www.davekopel.org/2dAmendment.htm#Second%20Amendment
Posted by: GI Joe at December 02, 2006 09:05 PM (0euLV)
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Sol,
You contradicted another poster when he stated that the weapons aren't allowed to non-Muslims. Is Turkey a Muslim/Arab nation or not?
This is from a report on the persecution of missionaries in Turkey, a secular, not sharia nation. "The two missionaries were accused of calling Islam a backward religion
and claiming that Turks would never become civilised unless they
converted. They were also accused of trying to sell women and of
possessing guns."
I'll emphasize that point. POSSESSING GUNS.
I found that story at http://the-910-group.blogspot.com/
It could be that you don't consider Turkey a Muslim nation since it does have a degree of secular government. It does, however, present one nation where Christians are denied the right to firearms by Muslims, contradicting your claims above.
You contradicted another poster when he stated that the weapons aren't allowed to non-Muslims. Is Turkey a Muslim/Arab nation or not?
This is from a report on the persecution of missionaries in Turkey, a secular, not sharia nation. "The two missionaries were accused of calling Islam a backward religion
and claiming that Turks would never become civilised unless they
converted. They were also accused of trying to sell women and of
possessing guns."
I'll emphasize that point. POSSESSING GUNS.
I found that story at http://the-910-group.blogspot.com/
It could be that you don't consider Turkey a Muslim nation since it does have a degree of secular government. It does, however, present one nation where Christians are denied the right to firearms by Muslims, contradicting your claims above.
Posted by: GI Joe at December 02, 2006 09:14 PM (0euLV)
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GI Joe:
All i have to go on regarding this is the experiance of 2 UK Service men who were in Iraq and Kuwait, As well as News media here in the UK.
I'm sorry if i belive my own service men and news media over yourself.
I don't see contradicting someone else a problem, that's the pont on a place like this! present points and discuss! if they contradict then talk it out! Don't say one is right and one is wrong without hearing arguments.
Also Turky is a Muslim nation but they are trying as hard as they can to get into and say a member of the Europien Economic Union and their laws reflect this.
pesonaly in my own view
if you want to own a gun then go ahead! But only after some training.
Minimum: Military Basic traning
Prefered: 2 years Military service
Some europien contries have this: I think sweden has an draft army and each member of fighting age has to have a gun and so many rounds of ammo (36) in their house at any one time!
All i have to go on regarding this is the experiance of 2 UK Service men who were in Iraq and Kuwait, As well as News media here in the UK.
I'm sorry if i belive my own service men and news media over yourself.
I don't see contradicting someone else a problem, that's the pont on a place like this! present points and discuss! if they contradict then talk it out! Don't say one is right and one is wrong without hearing arguments.
Also Turky is a Muslim nation but they are trying as hard as they can to get into and say a member of the Europien Economic Union and their laws reflect this.
pesonaly in my own view
if you want to own a gun then go ahead! But only after some training.
Minimum: Military Basic traning
Prefered: 2 years Military service
Some europien contries have this: I think sweden has an draft army and each member of fighting age has to have a gun and so many rounds of ammo (36) in their house at any one time!
Posted by: sol at December 02, 2006 09:28 PM (fuinW)
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Thanks GI Joe i got the quote i was looking for:
The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country; but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.
The Phrase "a well armed and well regulated militia being" being the main point!!
Regualted means some sort of order and military style training. If the NRA does not object to the barer of arms having some training, See my post above! then good on them!!
The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country; but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.
The Phrase "a well armed and well regulated militia being" being the main point!!
Regualted means some sort of order and military style training. If the NRA does not object to the barer of arms having some training, See my post above! then good on them!!
Posted by: sol at December 02, 2006 09:34 PM (fuinW)
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Sol,
You didn't quote the Amendment but a commentary upon it.
The Amendment doesn't state that the right of the militia won't be infringed. It specifies "the right of the people".
It is the second Amendment to our Constitution. The First Amendment doesn't specify a freedom of the press for a government, nor does it grant authority to the government to say who is and who is not "the press".
Why would people who are creating these first ten Amendments at the same time create an individual right to free speech and then create a right to arms only to regulated groups?
It is clear that the framers intended the rights specified to be rights which belong to individuals, not to regulated groups.
The problem, however, comes with some complexity which wouldn't be apparent to someone unfamilar with U.S. history.
The deservedly maligned Dred Scott decision by the Supreme Court prior to our Civil War was based in part upon a fear of granting former slaves a right to keep and bear arms. The history of laws against firearms ownership in the U.S. has a very long and dirty history of being racist in nature. If not racist explicitly it was racist in practice. The whites in power sought to keep arms out of the hands of Irish (who for reasons I can't fathom weren't considered "white" at the time), former slaves, Chinese and Native Americans.
That is the history of gun control in the U.S. and it continues to be a racist practice. The city of Washington D.C. has an outright ban on all firearms for its residents who are overwhelmingly descendents of African slaves. New York City is close behind in banning firearms and again it has an extensive population of "non-whites". Philadelphia is close on the heels of New York and once again it is used to keep persons of color from having firearms.
Recently in New York City police fired at least 50 rounds at a few men who were alleged to have said they had a gun. They didn't display one. They didn't threaten anyone with this mythical gun. They were shot dead by the police because the racist anti-gun politics gave the police a mandate to shoot based upon suspicion.
I've said before that I don't hold the cops who did this responsible. I hold responsible the politicians who have 24 hour a day armed bodyguards for conspiring to deny citizens the right to keep and bear arms.
You didn't quote the Amendment but a commentary upon it.
The Amendment doesn't state that the right of the militia won't be infringed. It specifies "the right of the people".
It is the second Amendment to our Constitution. The First Amendment doesn't specify a freedom of the press for a government, nor does it grant authority to the government to say who is and who is not "the press".
Why would people who are creating these first ten Amendments at the same time create an individual right to free speech and then create a right to arms only to regulated groups?
It is clear that the framers intended the rights specified to be rights which belong to individuals, not to regulated groups.
The problem, however, comes with some complexity which wouldn't be apparent to someone unfamilar with U.S. history.
The deservedly maligned Dred Scott decision by the Supreme Court prior to our Civil War was based in part upon a fear of granting former slaves a right to keep and bear arms. The history of laws against firearms ownership in the U.S. has a very long and dirty history of being racist in nature. If not racist explicitly it was racist in practice. The whites in power sought to keep arms out of the hands of Irish (who for reasons I can't fathom weren't considered "white" at the time), former slaves, Chinese and Native Americans.
That is the history of gun control in the U.S. and it continues to be a racist practice. The city of Washington D.C. has an outright ban on all firearms for its residents who are overwhelmingly descendents of African slaves. New York City is close behind in banning firearms and again it has an extensive population of "non-whites". Philadelphia is close on the heels of New York and once again it is used to keep persons of color from having firearms.
Recently in New York City police fired at least 50 rounds at a few men who were alleged to have said they had a gun. They didn't display one. They didn't threaten anyone with this mythical gun. They were shot dead by the police because the racist anti-gun politics gave the police a mandate to shoot based upon suspicion.
I've said before that I don't hold the cops who did this responsible. I hold responsible the politicians who have 24 hour a day armed bodyguards for conspiring to deny citizens the right to keep and bear arms.
Posted by: GI Joe at December 02, 2006 10:40 PM (0euLV)
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Solat: Making two years service in the military a reguirement for owning a gun. Yea, sure. All those sailors are real trained pros in weapons. Dork. Does your own country have a blog you can shout such malary?
GI Joe: Everyone in my neighborhood has weapons. I mean everyone. I have never had a person tell me he has a gun because of racism. They have guns for protection and hunting. If it was racism they would all have machine guns which happen to be readily available. The citizens of Washington DC are not without pistols. Just take a wrong turn in the wrong neighborhood and you will see how many (brothers) have them.
GI Joe: Everyone in my neighborhood has weapons. I mean everyone. I have never had a person tell me he has a gun because of racism. They have guns for protection and hunting. If it was racism they would all have machine guns which happen to be readily available. The citizens of Washington DC are not without pistols. Just take a wrong turn in the wrong neighborhood and you will see how many (brothers) have them.
Posted by: Greyrooster at December 03, 2006 08:17 AM (5vGBy)
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Greyrooster, I think you need to re-read what I wrote.
I didn't say that people own guns because of racism. I said people are DENIED guns because of racism.
There is no doubt that in many places where guns are banned that people still have them. Criminals still have guns when guns are banned.
Banning the ownership of firearms by citizens only makes a criminal's workplace safer, for the criminal.
I didn't say that people own guns because of racism. I said people are DENIED guns because of racism.
There is no doubt that in many places where guns are banned that people still have them. Criminals still have guns when guns are banned.
Banning the ownership of firearms by citizens only makes a criminal's workplace safer, for the criminal.
Posted by: GI Joe at December 03, 2006 09:45 AM (0euLV)
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You're right. I'm wrong. BUT. Are you incorrectly tying protection with racism? Taking the guns from the hands of certain elements is not always bad.
Posted by: Greyrooster at December 03, 2006 10:36 AM (5vGBy)
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Sol:
Your claim that most muslim countries require family heads to bear arms is ridiculous. By quoting "2 UK Service men who were in Iraq and Kuwait," you show the chops needed to be an AP reporter.
Areas in America with high gun ownership rates have the lowest crime rates, and that's an indisputable fact. It's the same in every Western country. In places where guns are largely illegal--like Britain--crime is rampant.
Most gun control fanatics are operating from utter ignorance, and the rest are just liars.
Notable gun control advocates: Adolph Hitler, Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin, Chairman Mao, Pol Pot, The family of Saud, the Taliban, the Ayatollahs of Iran, Bashar Assad, Kim Jung Ill, Jimmy Carter, Hillary Clinton, etc.
Not a list I want to be on.
Your claim that most muslim countries require family heads to bear arms is ridiculous. By quoting "2 UK Service men who were in Iraq and Kuwait," you show the chops needed to be an AP reporter.
Areas in America with high gun ownership rates have the lowest crime rates, and that's an indisputable fact. It's the same in every Western country. In places where guns are largely illegal--like Britain--crime is rampant.
Most gun control fanatics are operating from utter ignorance, and the rest are just liars.
Notable gun control advocates: Adolph Hitler, Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin, Chairman Mao, Pol Pot, The family of Saud, the Taliban, the Ayatollahs of Iran, Bashar Assad, Kim Jung Ill, Jimmy Carter, Hillary Clinton, etc.
Not a list I want to be on.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 03, 2006 09:39 PM (bLPT+)
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GI Joe:
There is no racist application of firearm laws in America. Those days are long gone. Whitey is not holding the Black man down in Washington DC or anywhere else.
The District government in DC is pretty dark, so it's just plain silly to assume it cant legalize handguns for its Black majority. The reason handguns are banned in DC is because the District officials don't trust the people who live there to use them responsibly.
There is no racist application of firearm laws in America. Those days are long gone. Whitey is not holding the Black man down in Washington DC or anywhere else.
The District government in DC is pretty dark, so it's just plain silly to assume it cant legalize handguns for its Black majority. The reason handguns are banned in DC is because the District officials don't trust the people who live there to use them responsibly.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 03, 2006 09:51 PM (bLPT+)
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Greyrooster,
I stated that the history of banning firearms is directly linked in U.S. history to racism. That doesn't put a KKK hood on Sarah Brady's head. Just a little bit behind it. That't the baggage gun-banners have to carry.
The problem with "certain elements" is that sooner or later "certain elements" becomes everyone.
The framers of our Consitution didn't give a laundry list of people who didn't get its protections. They intended the list to cover all citizens. Rich or poor. One might argue that some of them wouldn't have meant freed former slaves, but they weren't explicitly excluded, either.
Should we deny guns to criminals? The law currently makes it a crime for a felon to own a gun. One year possession of a single marijuana cigarette is a misdemeanor in jursidiction A. The next year it's a felony. Sam got caught in the first year, Bill got caught in the second. Why is Sam more appropriate to own a gun than Bill?
While it makes some measure of sense to deny sales of firearms to violent felons these are people who are going to get weapons even when weapons are totally banned. Britain has a total ban on handguns. It was AFTER they did their total ban that they finally got around to arming the common police officer because the criminals were still armed, if not better armed than before. Total ban, criminals still have guns. How, then, does it make sense to ban guns for law-abiding citizens? You only make the criminal's work place safer.
I stated that the history of banning firearms is directly linked in U.S. history to racism. That doesn't put a KKK hood on Sarah Brady's head. Just a little bit behind it. That't the baggage gun-banners have to carry.
The problem with "certain elements" is that sooner or later "certain elements" becomes everyone.
The framers of our Consitution didn't give a laundry list of people who didn't get its protections. They intended the list to cover all citizens. Rich or poor. One might argue that some of them wouldn't have meant freed former slaves, but they weren't explicitly excluded, either.
Should we deny guns to criminals? The law currently makes it a crime for a felon to own a gun. One year possession of a single marijuana cigarette is a misdemeanor in jursidiction A. The next year it's a felony. Sam got caught in the first year, Bill got caught in the second. Why is Sam more appropriate to own a gun than Bill?
While it makes some measure of sense to deny sales of firearms to violent felons these are people who are going to get weapons even when weapons are totally banned. Britain has a total ban on handguns. It was AFTER they did their total ban that they finally got around to arming the common police officer because the criminals were still armed, if not better armed than before. Total ban, criminals still have guns. How, then, does it make sense to ban guns for law-abiding citizens? You only make the criminal's work place safer.
Posted by: GI Joe at December 03, 2006 10:52 PM (0euLV)
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Jeff Bargholz:
The effects of gun ban history continue, even if the law is not formally racist any longer.
Gun banners still have to carry around the baggage of their cause even when they seek to deny rights to everyone. Denying everyone their Constitutional rights doesn't make a law right.
My read on why D.C. doesn't legalize gun ownership is the same as why Ray Nagin went around stripping weapons from the citizens he left unprotected. Those in power don't trust the citizens with power.
The question that should be asked of every politician is "If you don't trust me with a gun, why should I trust you with a political office?"
The effects of gun ban history continue, even if the law is not formally racist any longer.
Gun banners still have to carry around the baggage of their cause even when they seek to deny rights to everyone. Denying everyone their Constitutional rights doesn't make a law right.
My read on why D.C. doesn't legalize gun ownership is the same as why Ray Nagin went around stripping weapons from the citizens he left unprotected. Those in power don't trust the citizens with power.
The question that should be asked of every politician is "If you don't trust me with a gun, why should I trust you with a political office?"
Posted by: GI Joe at December 03, 2006 11:01 PM (0euLV)
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Anyone who has read the U.S. Constitution knows that now lets use that ruling to repeal all the gun control laws passed under BILL CLINTON and other liberal idiots
Posted by: sandpiper at December 03, 2006 11:32 PM (as4nC)
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GI Joe:
Don't assume I favor gun control--especially after I made a comment about areas with high gun ownership rates being more law abiding than areas with low ownership rates.
The effects of gun ban history continue, but there is no racial component to them.
The DC officials don't trust their population with handguns. Not because they're corrupt (they are--exceedingly so,) but because they know the population has an extremely high proportion of criminal scumbags who would use guns to terrorize the few decent people who live in DC--assuming there are any.
The only widespread and institutionalized form of racism tolerated in America is anti-White racism.
Don't assume I favor gun control--especially after I made a comment about areas with high gun ownership rates being more law abiding than areas with low ownership rates.
The effects of gun ban history continue, but there is no racial component to them.
The DC officials don't trust their population with handguns. Not because they're corrupt (they are--exceedingly so,) but because they know the population has an extremely high proportion of criminal scumbags who would use guns to terrorize the few decent people who live in DC--assuming there are any.
The only widespread and institutionalized form of racism tolerated in America is anti-White racism.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 04, 2006 12:47 AM (bLPT+)
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You guys will get know arguement from me. Now excuse me while I go clean my guns.
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Posted by: ytiboguh zwtnmy at March 02, 2007 06:48 PM (9+BeG)
November 29, 2006
Joseph McNamara : 50 Shots
Joseph McNamara, writing in the Wall Street Journal, takes on the increasing militarization of American law enforcement:
Simply put, the police culture in our country has changed. An emphasis on "officer safety" and paramilitary training pervades today's policing, in contrast to the older culture, which held that cops didn't shoot until they were about to be shot or stabbed. Police in large cities formerly carried revolvers holding six .38-caliber rounds. Nowadays, police carry semi-automatic pistols with 16 high-caliber rounds, shotguns and military assault rifles, weapons once relegated to SWAT teams facing extraordinary circumstances. Concern about such firepower in densely populated areas hitting innocent citizens has given way to an attitude that the police are fighting a war against drugs and crime and must be heavily armed.If Mr. McNamara is advocating Barney Fife-style, one-bullet law enforcement, I'd have to disagree. Then again, there seem to have been changes in the law enforcement mentality over the years, and I'm not sure they're all for the better. I don't fault the cops themselves for this development., and I don't think cops should have to patrol the mean streets with a six-shooter .38. It does appear, however, that there's been a real shift in culture from "peace officer" to "street soldier," and I think that at least merits discussion.
h/t : Glenn.
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Posted by: Speaking for the Choir at November 30, 2006 01:08 AM (HSkSw)
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Mr McNamara doesn't know what he's talking about. "Older culture in which cops didn't shoot until they were about to be shot or stabbed"?? Are you kidding? In the "old days", it was not uncommon for officers to fire on even fleeing criminals, whether felons or not. Now, most departments ONLY allow the use of deadly force if an officer fears for his life or for that of an innocent person. In fact, in today's climate of heavy litigation, an officer can expect to be sued and/or lose his job if he discharges his weapon in an even slightly less-than-by-the-book manner or circumstance.
"Nowadays, police carry semi-automatic pistols with HIGH CALIBER rounds...." High caliber rounds? I don't know what department he's talking about, but the department that I work for uses 9mm. I don't think there is a single planet in our solar system on which 9mm would be considered a "high caliber round". In fact, 9mm Luger used in Glocks that many departments use is the exact same round that the Germans used in their P38's and Lugers in WWII 65 years ago. "High caliber" indeed!! 9mm is woefully inadequate. Also, most of even the most backward departments around the country have been using "semi automatic pistols" since at LEAST the early 1990s, if not long before. Mr Mcnamara acts as if "semi auto pistols" are a brand spanking new cutting edge hi-tech invention, just invented after the 2003 invasion of Iraq... when in fact semi-auto is 100-year-old technology.
In short, Mr Mcnamara is completely 100% wrong. "back in the day", policing was ALL about "officer safety". 80/50/30 years ago, in most cities, if one disrespected a cop, one got beaten down and put in one's place, to put it lightly. There were no on-board vehicle cameras, microphones, ACLU lawyers etc. There were no GPS recorders that showed clearly where every single police car was at every moment of the day like there are today. There were no TV reporters who tried their best to catch police officers doing something untoward on camera. Police officers used to have vastly more lattitude and freedom to act than we do today.
Just as I love to read commentery about soldiers and warfare by people who've never served a day in their lives, I love to read articles by people who not only have never been cops, but have never bothered to understand the situation that law-enforcement faces every day.
Wolfenberry
"Nowadays, police carry semi-automatic pistols with HIGH CALIBER rounds...." High caliber rounds? I don't know what department he's talking about, but the department that I work for uses 9mm. I don't think there is a single planet in our solar system on which 9mm would be considered a "high caliber round". In fact, 9mm Luger used in Glocks that many departments use is the exact same round that the Germans used in their P38's and Lugers in WWII 65 years ago. "High caliber" indeed!! 9mm is woefully inadequate. Also, most of even the most backward departments around the country have been using "semi automatic pistols" since at LEAST the early 1990s, if not long before. Mr Mcnamara acts as if "semi auto pistols" are a brand spanking new cutting edge hi-tech invention, just invented after the 2003 invasion of Iraq... when in fact semi-auto is 100-year-old technology.
In short, Mr Mcnamara is completely 100% wrong. "back in the day", policing was ALL about "officer safety". 80/50/30 years ago, in most cities, if one disrespected a cop, one got beaten down and put in one's place, to put it lightly. There were no on-board vehicle cameras, microphones, ACLU lawyers etc. There were no GPS recorders that showed clearly where every single police car was at every moment of the day like there are today. There were no TV reporters who tried their best to catch police officers doing something untoward on camera. Police officers used to have vastly more lattitude and freedom to act than we do today.
Just as I love to read commentery about soldiers and warfare by people who've never served a day in their lives, I love to read articles by people who not only have never been cops, but have never bothered to understand the situation that law-enforcement faces every day.
Wolfenberry
Posted by: Wolfenberry at November 30, 2006 02:01 AM (ex4MB)
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one way of telling how long-time cop and police chief mcnamara is on the right track is to see how vociferously the cops dispute what he has to say. (see above). the militarization of the cops contiunues apace; swat teams are now used to break down granny's doors; and, of course, it's procedure to shoot the family dog when cops serve 'dynamic' warrants. (all in the name of "officer safety", of course.)
last 2 points:
1) the gent above seems to think mcnamara has "never been a cop". incorrect. good thing he isn't the guy in charge of typing out the address on swat warrants, huh?
2) the gent above seems to think a 9mm bullet is "woefully inadequate" for shooting citizens. maybe; maybe not...but evidently the nypd seems to agree. to get around the "too small a bullet" problem, they fired 50 (count 'em!) 50 shots at the *unarmed* guys.
i guess we should just thank god that no cops were hurt, huh?
last 2 points:
1) the gent above seems to think mcnamara has "never been a cop". incorrect. good thing he isn't the guy in charge of typing out the address on swat warrants, huh?
2) the gent above seems to think a 9mm bullet is "woefully inadequate" for shooting citizens. maybe; maybe not...but evidently the nypd seems to agree. to get around the "too small a bullet" problem, they fired 50 (count 'em!) 50 shots at the *unarmed* guys.
i guess we should just thank god that no cops were hurt, huh?
Posted by: larry at November 30, 2006 02:38 AM (ay0VS)
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Cops used to be able to rely on the citizens to support them. They didn't feel like there was a bullseye painted on their backs when they hit the streets. Nowadays the us-vs-them mentality is encouraged by all the supposed experts who are more than willing to second guess the police at every opportunity. I don't fault the cops for being so clannish, no one else is watching their backs.
As for the woman who got shot in Atlanta, last I heard all the facts still weren't in.
Concerning the family dog, Rover deserves a bullet if he gets in the way. End of story there.
The cops of New York who shot off 50 rounds didn't know they were facing "unarmed" suspects. They believed otherwise. When you're in fear for your life, emptying the magazine is a real possibility.
And yeah, I think we should always thank God when no cops get hurt. They're on our side and we should show some appreciation.
For the record, I've been arrested a time or two myself. Even was involved in an incident where the police were unnecessarily brutal. But I still support the cops.
It beats calling on a liberal when there's trouble in the neighborhood.
As for the woman who got shot in Atlanta, last I heard all the facts still weren't in.
Concerning the family dog, Rover deserves a bullet if he gets in the way. End of story there.
The cops of New York who shot off 50 rounds didn't know they were facing "unarmed" suspects. They believed otherwise. When you're in fear for your life, emptying the magazine is a real possibility.
And yeah, I think we should always thank God when no cops get hurt. They're on our side and we should show some appreciation.
For the record, I've been arrested a time or two myself. Even was involved in an incident where the police were unnecessarily brutal. But I still support the cops.
It beats calling on a liberal when there's trouble in the neighborhood.
Posted by: Subvet at November 30, 2006 03:56 AM (DNVxw)
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I agree with the above poster who actually like cops, who keep us safe. I was going to make some of the points that they made - 9mm considered a "high-caliber" round, cops having to wade through so much litigation after they do their job that it's not even funny, etc. The only point I haven't seen yet is the remark about the "military assault rifles, weapons once relegated to SWAT teams facing extraordinary circumstances." The reason for this is situations like the North Hollywood shootout in 1997, where the police were SEVERELY out gunned by criminals who were wearing head-to-toe body armor, and equipped with AK-47s, using armor-piercing bullets, HK-91s, an automatic AR-15, with drum magazine, a Chinese AK, and a 9mm.The police had 9mm Berettas, .38 caliber revolvers, and shotguns. It wasn't until they went to a nearby gun store, and got some AR-15's, that they were able to gain the upper hand. We need to remember that the police are there to protect the population, especially the civilian population (and the actual offenders, but the innocent come first, and police can correct me if I'm wrong) and instances like the North Hollywood shootout, and people who hate the police have made an already difficult job that much harder. To address the comment of "It does appear, however, that there's been a real shift in culture from
"peace officer" to "street soldier," and I think that at least merits
discussion." - it does merit discussion - cops are continually harassed, and looked upon as people on power trips, who just want to oppress innocent people just going about their daily lives, don't get me wrong, there are bad ones out there who do want to do those things, but the vast majority are good people who want to do a good job at what is a noble profession - protecting others. What also needs to be looked at is the types of criminal who the police are facing today, these people are often high on drugs, well armed, and have no issue with killing anyone who gets in their way, so if the "peace officer" has become a "street soldier", then to a certain extent it's because the criminal has become a type of urban, guerrilla terrorist.
"peace officer" to "street soldier," and I think that at least merits
discussion." - it does merit discussion - cops are continually harassed, and looked upon as people on power trips, who just want to oppress innocent people just going about their daily lives, don't get me wrong, there are bad ones out there who do want to do those things, but the vast majority are good people who want to do a good job at what is a noble profession - protecting others. What also needs to be looked at is the types of criminal who the police are facing today, these people are often high on drugs, well armed, and have no issue with killing anyone who gets in their way, so if the "peace officer" has become a "street soldier", then to a certain extent it's because the criminal has become a type of urban, guerrilla terrorist.
Posted by: Matt at November 30, 2006 04:54 AM (poC9H)
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Let us consider the root cause of this horrible incident.
The police weren't chasing someone who committed murder, rape, robbery or even tax evasion.
They were trying to bust these guys for possible possession of a firearm. The claim that one of the men in this bachelor party made a comment about having a gun is the sole reason why the police attempted to stop the car and the reason that lead to the cops firing 50 rounds into the car.
There was no firerarm found. None.
This wasn't a group of gang-bangers trying to shake down a store owner. This wasn't a group of Mafioso smuggling drugs. It was a group of guys out for a bachelor party who went to a strip club to ogle naked women. I don't care if that club also has a reputation for the trade in illegal weapons. These guys weren't there to do that and I would expect that any reasonable person who spent 10 seconds watching them would see that.
The root cause here isn't cops and it isn't the victims. The root cause is the evil of outrageous bias against the legal possession of firearms.
Who is to blame for the death and destruction? Mayor Michael Bloomberg is to blame for this and his co-conspirator is Rudolph Guliani. They have many more co-conspirators running back decades. The City of New York has been waging a war on its citizens to deny them their Constitutional right to keep and bear arms. This debacle is a direct result of that war. If the cops hadn't been trying to bust people who MIGHT own a gun then the whole thing wouldn't have happened.
It isn't the cops' fault they were there to enforce an evil and unConstitutional law.
This death is a crime committed by Michael Bloomberg and his co-conspirators the same as murders carried out by organized crime are ultimately the responsibility of the crime boss.
The police weren't chasing someone who committed murder, rape, robbery or even tax evasion.
They were trying to bust these guys for possible possession of a firearm. The claim that one of the men in this bachelor party made a comment about having a gun is the sole reason why the police attempted to stop the car and the reason that lead to the cops firing 50 rounds into the car.
There was no firerarm found. None.
This wasn't a group of gang-bangers trying to shake down a store owner. This wasn't a group of Mafioso smuggling drugs. It was a group of guys out for a bachelor party who went to a strip club to ogle naked women. I don't care if that club also has a reputation for the trade in illegal weapons. These guys weren't there to do that and I would expect that any reasonable person who spent 10 seconds watching them would see that.
The root cause here isn't cops and it isn't the victims. The root cause is the evil of outrageous bias against the legal possession of firearms.
Who is to blame for the death and destruction? Mayor Michael Bloomberg is to blame for this and his co-conspirator is Rudolph Guliani. They have many more co-conspirators running back decades. The City of New York has been waging a war on its citizens to deny them their Constitutional right to keep and bear arms. This debacle is a direct result of that war. If the cops hadn't been trying to bust people who MIGHT own a gun then the whole thing wouldn't have happened.
It isn't the cops' fault they were there to enforce an evil and unConstitutional law.
This death is a crime committed by Michael Bloomberg and his co-conspirators the same as murders carried out by organized crime are ultimately the responsibility of the crime boss.
Posted by: GI Joe at November 30, 2006 07:38 AM (0euLV)
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Where is it that cops patrol the streets? All I see drive around two in a car. I don't believe cops are trained to protect the public as much as protecting themselves.
Posted by: Greyrooster at November 30, 2006 07:39 AM (0TutP)
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Leaving aside the question of why this policement were shooting in the first place, I think the event highlights a common problem among police - no gun control (they can't hit what they're aiming at.) And the root cause of that problem is inadequate training, range time, and practice ammo. If you can't shoot any better than these guys (and they seem typical of police these days), you have no business carrying a gun.
Posted by: Glenmore at November 30, 2006 08:01 AM (JWf4t)
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The police departments in New York, Los Angeles and Miami have become third world style organized crime rackets.
Posted by: Dill Doe at November 30, 2006 08:07 AM (HSkSw)
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Yea, but the ones in Miami are understandable. Just flash a $100.00 bill and you get justice.
Remember the laughter, jokeing and good times the FBI, ATF, etc: were having before they attacked some religious nuts with tanks and gas at Waco? The result? Some other friggin nut blows up the federal building in Oklahoma City. Of course that was when Clinton and his freaks (old ladies, midgets and 6'3" lesbians)were in charge.
Remember the laughter, jokeing and good times the FBI, ATF, etc: were having before they attacked some religious nuts with tanks and gas at Waco? The result? Some other friggin nut blows up the federal building in Oklahoma City. Of course that was when Clinton and his freaks (old ladies, midgets and 6'3" lesbians)were in charge.
Posted by: Greyrooster at November 30, 2006 08:19 AM (0TutP)
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Our police have to carry more powerful weapons then before. A shotgun and a police revolver just aren't enough anymore. You can just look at the North Hollywood Shootout to realize that. Lightly armed police means dead police. Still, most police probably carry a service semi-automatic pistol, and either a shotgun or a carbine of some sort, not a fully automatic M-4 or something, in most cases I believe that is still relegated to the SWAT teams. If I was a police officer, I sure as heck know that I don't want to be outgunned by the average citizen, which means I am definitely outgunned by the average criminal.
Posted by: Duncan Avatar at November 30, 2006 08:22 AM (2ExXc)
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<I>cops are just jackbooted barney fifes who can't shoot, corrupt, donut-eaters, blah blah blah</I>
*snipped*
The relentless bigotry against men doing a difficult job is neverending. We call people racists when they stereotype and denigrate minorities in that fashion, or anti-semites when they do it to jews, or homophobes when they do it to gays. Tell me again why we shouldn't employ the same disdain and scorn against the intellectually-lazy smack-talkers among us who would so casually label an entire group based on a stereotype?
If reports are correct, the guys in New York drove their car into a police van and toward about five officers. I'm sorry, but directing a 5000lb bludgeon towards police officers will get you shot every single time. There are also reports that at least one man made a reference to a gun... it's not the officers' fault that turned out to be a bluff. All the facts aren't in yet, of course, but that's my preliminary take.
As for Mcnamara's comments:
His post-hoc judgement on incidents where he wasn't there is rude, and he should know better (stand up, thump chest, state in booming voice "*I* never would have shot that man"). The officers in the Diallo case didn't have Mcnamara's psychic gift of knowing why the man was running and ignoring their commands, and when he suddenely turned and reached for his pocket, then thought it was a gun. Chief Mcnamara should show all officers how to tap into those amazing clairvoyant powers of his.
Patrol car rifles ("military assault weapons"): driven by incidents like the North Hollywood shootout and various active shooter incidents, where police needed longer-range weapons. This has happened before, (Texas tower massacre) and it's a shame we have to relearn the same lessons.
Auto-pistols: these have become more popular and higher-quality in general. It's not just police, but civilian shooters, and urban street culture that have driven this (and Gaston Glock, of course).
And what's his beef with shotguns? That I don't understand at all.
*snipped*
The relentless bigotry against men doing a difficult job is neverending. We call people racists when they stereotype and denigrate minorities in that fashion, or anti-semites when they do it to jews, or homophobes when they do it to gays. Tell me again why we shouldn't employ the same disdain and scorn against the intellectually-lazy smack-talkers among us who would so casually label an entire group based on a stereotype?
If reports are correct, the guys in New York drove their car into a police van and toward about five officers. I'm sorry, but directing a 5000lb bludgeon towards police officers will get you shot every single time. There are also reports that at least one man made a reference to a gun... it's not the officers' fault that turned out to be a bluff. All the facts aren't in yet, of course, but that's my preliminary take.
As for Mcnamara's comments:
His post-hoc judgement on incidents where he wasn't there is rude, and he should know better (stand up, thump chest, state in booming voice "*I* never would have shot that man"). The officers in the Diallo case didn't have Mcnamara's psychic gift of knowing why the man was running and ignoring their commands, and when he suddenely turned and reached for his pocket, then thought it was a gun. Chief Mcnamara should show all officers how to tap into those amazing clairvoyant powers of his.
Patrol car rifles ("military assault weapons"): driven by incidents like the North Hollywood shootout and various active shooter incidents, where police needed longer-range weapons. This has happened before, (Texas tower massacre) and it's a shame we have to relearn the same lessons.
Auto-pistols: these have become more popular and higher-quality in general. It's not just police, but civilian shooters, and urban street culture that have driven this (and Gaston Glock, of course).
And what's his beef with shotguns? That I don't understand at all.
Posted by: TheNewGuy at November 30, 2006 08:46 AM (l7IRX)
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It isn't the cops, it's the perps who have escalated. We now live in a media world of gangsta and violent video which trains up the young perps to believe that they can't be killed. Too bad for them
Posted by: n.a. palm at November 30, 2006 09:09 AM (Kc/Mz)
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The caliber issue is a red herring. McNamara should have known better than to infer that .38s would improve current policing.
But the real point is the larger picture. If 9mms aren't the problem (and they're not), something is. And that appears to be the pervasiveness of paramilitary methods against civilians - mostly nonviolent ones - based on an assumption that everything and everyone is a mortal risk to officer safety.
But the real point is the larger picture. If 9mms aren't the problem (and they're not), something is. And that appears to be the pervasiveness of paramilitary methods against civilians - mostly nonviolent ones - based on an assumption that everything and everyone is a mortal risk to officer safety.
Posted by: biwah at November 30, 2006 09:17 AM (SqCWa)
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Steve:
How does that work for the people who are sitting at home when the SWAT teams busts in with concussion grenades and assault rifles? That situation (even where neither police nor resident make any serious mistakes) is death and destruction on a platter.
How does that work for the people who are sitting at home when the SWAT teams busts in with concussion grenades and assault rifles? That situation (even where neither police nor resident make any serious mistakes) is death and destruction on a platter.
Posted by: biwah at November 30, 2006 09:19 AM (SqCWa)
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I agree, its the criminals that have been militarized, not the police. Just like in the 20s, its was the gangsters that first started using military firepower, Thomson Submachine Guns, and law enforcement that followed suit. I don't think this was the result of bad police procedure. It was the result of a policeman fearing for his life and overreacting. The guy was approaching a suspect car and he was run over. The guy thought he was going to die so he unloaded his 9mm into the car. His partners heard the shooting and then they too opened fire. Now the first cop fires his last round, hears the shooting continuing, so he reloads another magazine and keeps shooting. Now, I am not defending the guy. He let his fear get the better of him and innocent people died. But this isn't a question of overly aggressive tactics, its a question of restraint and training.
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at November 30, 2006 09:46 AM (oC8nQ)
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The main problem is a lack of training. Most cities don't bother to fund it that well, especially in large cities. How many decision makers in NYC are shooters? I bet none. Thus, none of them know how damn hard it is to shoot.
A cop should, imo, be putting at least 500 rounds downrange every week in whatever weapons they qualify with (and every cop should have access to an AR-15 in similar. Semi auto rifle > pump shotgun for a laundry list of reasons). 500 rounds of ammo spread over a whole department will cost a lot in ammo and weapons (you'll burn those barrels out). But I'm sure there's some BS pet project that could be cut to fund that.
Most cops just aren't trained enough on their weapons. And on their typical below what they deserve salaries they can't afford their own training (and shouldn't have to). And thus most just don't know guns. Hell, I had one compliment me on the care I use and clean my 92FS with. He was shocked that I clean my pistol after every range session and do an oil and maintenance check every two weeks regardless of if I shot. He said he hadn't cleaned his in a month.
A cop should, imo, be putting at least 500 rounds downrange every week in whatever weapons they qualify with (and every cop should have access to an AR-15 in similar. Semi auto rifle > pump shotgun for a laundry list of reasons). 500 rounds of ammo spread over a whole department will cost a lot in ammo and weapons (you'll burn those barrels out). But I'm sure there's some BS pet project that could be cut to fund that.
Most cops just aren't trained enough on their weapons. And on their typical below what they deserve salaries they can't afford their own training (and shouldn't have to). And thus most just don't know guns. Hell, I had one compliment me on the care I use and clean my 92FS with. He was shocked that I clean my pistol after every range session and do an oil and maintenance check every two weeks regardless of if I shot. He said he hadn't cleaned his in a month.
Posted by: Spade at November 30, 2006 09:47 AM (MwlDS)
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From the research I did into it it looks like a good shoot. If you google around a bit you'll find that the deceased had already been arrested four times prior, was rolling in a blinged out SUV "wid dubs" and was challenging another individual to a fight just prior to being challenged by police.
What we have here is a group of people who want to be "Gangsta's". They look like "Gangstas", act like "Gangsta's" and for all intents and purposes are "Gangsta's". Drinking, fighting, acting like gangstas and attempting assault with a vehicle (while attempting to flee and evade) when challenged by Police increases your chance of being shot by a wide margin.
Do I feel bad about the shoot? Not a bit, Tu Pac would be proud of him.
The Police are well armed and they need to be, someone has to keep the peace. They aren't "over-armed" with big scary assault weapons (Ooohhh!) they just have what they need. Try raiding a crack house with the old six-shooter and see how that goes.
What we have here is a group of people who want to be "Gangsta's". They look like "Gangstas", act like "Gangsta's" and for all intents and purposes are "Gangsta's". Drinking, fighting, acting like gangstas and attempting assault with a vehicle (while attempting to flee and evade) when challenged by Police increases your chance of being shot by a wide margin.
Do I feel bad about the shoot? Not a bit, Tu Pac would be proud of him.
The Police are well armed and they need to be, someone has to keep the peace. They aren't "over-armed" with big scary assault weapons (Ooohhh!) they just have what they need. Try raiding a crack house with the old six-shooter and see how that goes.
Posted by: blackflag at November 30, 2006 10:06 AM (Mq5jS)
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Well I have a proposal...if the criminals and street gangs would resort to doing it the old fashioned way of bats, knives, and the occassional gun then the police can revert back to 6 shooters.
Those days are over....gangs and common thugs can be heavily armed (as seen in the bank robbery in LA quite some time ago where two robbers fired upwards of 1000 rounds and had body armor). Even then police were outgunned and had to resort to taking weapons from a gun dealer to even have the same firing power of TWO MEN!!
The only way for people to not be in a bad situation....do as the police say if you have done NOTHING WRONG!! You won't get shot that way.
Posted by: Steve at November 30, 2006 10:07 AM (Rax9v)
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do as the police say if you have done NOTHING WRONG
That's not bad advice, though I wouldn't ask anyone to just accept or ignore corrupt, bigoted, or unnecessarily violent policing. It's our responsibility as citizens to seek and encourage competence and accountability from our government... but (and this is an enormous caveat) you're a complete fool if you think the street is the place to fight that battle. You will lose. every. single. time.
The place to fight thug, racists, or corrupt cops is in court, where you can actually get a fair hearing, backed by appropriate legal counsel. Alternatively, if your local LE agency has an elected leader, oust him and elect a reformer.
Unfortunately, there are countless dirtbags who scream "racist!" and "police brutality!" every time they get arrested, so be prepared to have some witnesses, video, corroboration, or some kind of proof before you level that charge, because I can guarantee the judge has heard that song before.
That's not bad advice, though I wouldn't ask anyone to just accept or ignore corrupt, bigoted, or unnecessarily violent policing. It's our responsibility as citizens to seek and encourage competence and accountability from our government... but (and this is an enormous caveat) you're a complete fool if you think the street is the place to fight that battle. You will lose. every. single. time.
The place to fight thug, racists, or corrupt cops is in court, where you can actually get a fair hearing, backed by appropriate legal counsel. Alternatively, if your local LE agency has an elected leader, oust him and elect a reformer.
Unfortunately, there are countless dirtbags who scream "racist!" and "police brutality!" every time they get arrested, so be prepared to have some witnesses, video, corroboration, or some kind of proof before you level that charge, because I can guarantee the judge has heard that song before.
Posted by: TheNewGuy at November 30, 2006 10:46 AM (l7IRX)
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No, it is the Police that have unilaterally decided to renege on the pact with the public ‘to protect and serve’ even if it places the officer at risk. In recognition of this, Police Officers enjoy extraordinary powers granted to them by the public, plus very favorable retirement and death benefits.
But over the last quarter century, the Police have decided that their safety outweighs the Public’s safety to the point that it apparently was Police Policy to deliberately kill hostages if it was perceived that a suspect posed a danger to officers. (New York, mid ninety’s). Police using No-Knock Warrants and SWAT Teams armed with explosives and Automatic rifles as SOP for arresting someone because a few pot seeds were found in their garbage. Or because they were suspect of placeing bets on football games in the Office. And when this person, or even an innocent person (because they raided the wrong address) is shocked out of sleep by the sound of crashing doors and deafened by explosions from Flash-Bangs, and not fully awake yet, leaps out of bed, the Police justify shooting them because they (A) were moving in an aggressive manner, (B) Did not obey shouted orders from multiple people, (C) posed a threat because there was a handgun later found in a locked drawer, (D) and did all this even though Police Identified Themselves.
NO S**T, Sherlock. And they find no contraction in the fact that the had deliberately deafened, blinded and Disoriented the person, before being ‘forced’ to kill them because they did not see the Police Logo on the back of the jackets of black-clad intruders, in a black room while blinded by flashlights and Flash-Bangs, Did not hear the Police identify themselves after being deliberately deafened by Flash-Bangs. And did not immediately obey shouted orders from six or more screaming people after being deliberately disoriented, deafened and shocking the nervous system by using Flash-bangs.
Then figures ‘Oops, Sorry. It don’t look so bad’ covers shooting that person for reacting EXACTILY HOW THEY PLANNED FOR HIM OR HER TO REACT!
And before you SWAT Guys start in, just think about it for a minute, and use common sense.
But over the last quarter century, the Police have decided that their safety outweighs the Public’s safety to the point that it apparently was Police Policy to deliberately kill hostages if it was perceived that a suspect posed a danger to officers. (New York, mid ninety’s). Police using No-Knock Warrants and SWAT Teams armed with explosives and Automatic rifles as SOP for arresting someone because a few pot seeds were found in their garbage. Or because they were suspect of placeing bets on football games in the Office. And when this person, or even an innocent person (because they raided the wrong address) is shocked out of sleep by the sound of crashing doors and deafened by explosions from Flash-Bangs, and not fully awake yet, leaps out of bed, the Police justify shooting them because they (A) were moving in an aggressive manner, (B) Did not obey shouted orders from multiple people, (C) posed a threat because there was a handgun later found in a locked drawer, (D) and did all this even though Police Identified Themselves.
NO S**T, Sherlock. And they find no contraction in the fact that the had deliberately deafened, blinded and Disoriented the person, before being ‘forced’ to kill them because they did not see the Police Logo on the back of the jackets of black-clad intruders, in a black room while blinded by flashlights and Flash-Bangs, Did not hear the Police identify themselves after being deliberately deafened by Flash-Bangs. And did not immediately obey shouted orders from six or more screaming people after being deliberately disoriented, deafened and shocking the nervous system by using Flash-bangs.
Then figures ‘Oops, Sorry. It don’t look so bad’ covers shooting that person for reacting EXACTILY HOW THEY PLANNED FOR HIM OR HER TO REACT!
And before you SWAT Guys start in, just think about it for a minute, and use common sense.
Posted by: Mark at November 30, 2006 10:52 AM (Sf41d)
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Oh, and don't forget, Police Departments have gone to Court and won making it not their responsibility to actually protect citizens. Since that is legally not their job anymore, would some police officer out there tell me exactly why I am paying your salary?
Going back to the Cato study, could an Officer tell me why, when a SWAT Team realizes that they have raided the wrong address, do they continue to search the house, sometimes for hours, all the while holding guns to the heads of the innocent occupants, despite not having a valid warrant? And no reason to suspect that the occupants did anything wrong? Sounds to me that they are hoping to find something to cover their mistake.
Going back to the Cato study, could an Officer tell me why, when a SWAT Team realizes that they have raided the wrong address, do they continue to search the house, sometimes for hours, all the while holding guns to the heads of the innocent occupants, despite not having a valid warrant? And no reason to suspect that the occupants did anything wrong? Sounds to me that they are hoping to find something to cover their mistake.
Posted by: Mark at November 30, 2006 11:05 AM (Sf41d)
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"I agree with the poster who said that most cops seem to have accuracy and fire control issues. Even if that one old lady had a gun and drugs, 90 rounds is overkill. "
This is sort of Obvious. The officers in the Atlanta case fired 50 rounds, and hit their target three times. Compare this to an enfeebled 88 year old lady with a rusty 22 pistol, who somehow managed to put five of six round on target.
For that alone, they should be fired.
This is sort of Obvious. The officers in the Atlanta case fired 50 rounds, and hit their target three times. Compare this to an enfeebled 88 year old lady with a rusty 22 pistol, who somehow managed to put five of six round on target.
For that alone, they should be fired.
Posted by: Mark at November 30, 2006 11:18 AM (Sf41d)
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"Unfortunately, there are countless dirtbags who scream "racist!" and "police brutality!"
Indeed, I forgot to point out that the officers involved were two blacks, two whites and an Hispanic. This is just the usual anti-police media frenzy.
Indeed, I forgot to point out that the officers involved were two blacks, two whites and an Hispanic. This is just the usual anti-police media frenzy.
Posted by: blackflag at November 30, 2006 11:25 AM (Mq5jS)
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I think the pro-militarization of the police folks need to read..."Overkill: The Rise of Paramilitary Police Raids in America" by Radley Balko, from the Cato Institute....He also works for Reason magazing and runs The Agitator blog. It bothers me that we have some folks that believe "if you aren't doing anything wrong, why worry." That is very dangerous thinking. In my eyes, that is as dangerous as the most vile words in the english language..."This is for the common good". McNamara is right, we do need to re-think all of this.
Posted by: RegularRon at November 30, 2006 11:35 AM (qZJTO)
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I see it really as depending on the police department. Our township police are very professional, have been courteous and fair in all my dealings with them. I have only seen them not be so to people who are already behaving violently. Contrasted with that are the county and state police. The ones I have experience with operate in the same area as the locals but hardly ever take their hand off the butt of their sidearm when they're not in their vehicle. They treat everyone as though they are guilty of everything up to and including serial murder even during something as simple as random seatbelt checks. Then if you go over to Warren County the cops act nice when you interact with them but they'll ticket you for going .5 mph over the speed limit if you don't have Warren County plates.
I agree with the poster who said that most cops seem to have acuracy and fire control issues. Even if that one old lady had a gun and drugs, 90 rounds is overkill. Ditto with these guys in this truck being filled with 50 rounds. There's only two options, either the cops are so bad at aiming that it takes that many rounds to hit a target, in which case they should have a LOT more training, or they are so lacking in fire control that they should be disarmed until they can get the proper training to not be a hazard to everyone within a mile radius. There are skirmishes with automatic weapons in wars that have fewer rounds fired by both sides than what you hear about in some of these cases where the police are using semi-automatic weapons and pump-action shotguns against one or two pople, so I don't buy into this whole "it's stressful so we can't judge" line of thought.
I agree with the poster who said that most cops seem to have acuracy and fire control issues. Even if that one old lady had a gun and drugs, 90 rounds is overkill. Ditto with these guys in this truck being filled with 50 rounds. There's only two options, either the cops are so bad at aiming that it takes that many rounds to hit a target, in which case they should have a LOT more training, or they are so lacking in fire control that they should be disarmed until they can get the proper training to not be a hazard to everyone within a mile radius. There are skirmishes with automatic weapons in wars that have fewer rounds fired by both sides than what you hear about in some of these cases where the police are using semi-automatic weapons and pump-action shotguns against one or two pople, so I don't buy into this whole "it's stressful so we can't judge" line of thought.
Posted by: Ranba Ral at November 30, 2006 11:48 AM (VvXII)
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I've posted this elsewhere, but an underlying reason for police firing so many rounds is 'political correctness'. It's because of political correctness that police administrators insist on double action pistols with heavy triggers and multiple 'safety' devices. These are safer if dropped, but harder to shoot accurately. Here's some statistics:
-New York City Police Department (N.Y.P.D.) Glocks with 12 lb. triggers: 15% hit ratio*.
-Los
Angeles County Sheriff Department (L.A.C.S.D.) Double/Single Action
trigger, first shot double action approx. 12 lb., subsequent single
action shots approx 5 lb. trigger pull weight: 51% hit ratio*
* SPECIAL REPORT: FIREARMS, Aveni, Thomas; Law and Order, Vol. 51, No.8 August 2003
The solution is to allow police to carry single action pistols that are easier to shoot more accurately. I realize this is an issue that many will find esoteric, but to the cops involved, a sloppy Glock is almost as bad as an armed assailant.
Posted by: Frank Hilliard at November 30, 2006 12:24 PM (G5T9f)
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Interesting. I suppose it's my age, but I see "peace officer" as a recent development that runs counter to the traditional role of police. I never heard of a police officer being called a "peace officer" until the early 90s.
Posted by: rightwingprof at November 30, 2006 12:43 PM (o7KrD)
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Mark,
You should head on over the Patterico's place, or Eugene Volokh's blog. We've been discussing this to death for almost a week.
And CATO's map is pretty, but that's 20 years worth of incidents at up 40,000 warrant services a year by one estimate (current rates... there were fewer 20 years ago). In my experience, wrong-house and killed-wrong-guy incidents are extremely rare... and that's years of tactical-team experience talking.
And before you SWAT Guys start in, just think about it for a minute, and use common sense
Sure... and while we're doing that, why don't you gain some tactical experience going after armed felons and THEN tell me how evil noise-flash distraction devices are. Those devices gain the entry team critical seconds to get through the fatal funnel and overpower the subject. When they're blind, disoreinted, and shocked (your description), they have a much harder time regaining their bearings long enough to go for a weapon. This allows us to arrest them instead of shooting it out with them.
the Police have decided that their safety outweighs the Public’s safety
Umm.. no. We're not executioners... if we were, we'd just put the snipers out, let them take the suspect, and save ourselves all the trouble. Also, I'd appreciate a cite to the police department where it was their policy to deliberately kill hostages.
You should head on over the Patterico's place, or Eugene Volokh's blog. We've been discussing this to death for almost a week.
And CATO's map is pretty, but that's 20 years worth of incidents at up 40,000 warrant services a year by one estimate (current rates... there were fewer 20 years ago). In my experience, wrong-house and killed-wrong-guy incidents are extremely rare... and that's years of tactical-team experience talking.
And before you SWAT Guys start in, just think about it for a minute, and use common sense
Sure... and while we're doing that, why don't you gain some tactical experience going after armed felons and THEN tell me how evil noise-flash distraction devices are. Those devices gain the entry team critical seconds to get through the fatal funnel and overpower the subject. When they're blind, disoreinted, and shocked (your description), they have a much harder time regaining their bearings long enough to go for a weapon. This allows us to arrest them instead of shooting it out with them.
the Police have decided that their safety outweighs the Public’s safety
Umm.. no. We're not executioners... if we were, we'd just put the snipers out, let them take the suspect, and save ourselves all the trouble. Also, I'd appreciate a cite to the police department where it was their policy to deliberately kill hostages.
Posted by: TheNewGuy at November 30, 2006 01:03 PM (l7IRX)
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For all those that are attacking cops for raiding the wrong address, you do realize there is a oversight? a judicial process before a warrant signed?
I noticed "rubber stamping" Judges and overzealous District Attorneys escape your scorn? these are the people that make it possible for a raid to occur in the first place. If judges are not making sure the address is correct, and a District Attorney is 'prosecuting' your residence in front of a Judge, it speaks volumes about the real judicial oversight of the raid themselves when even the simplist part -- the residential address is signed incorrectly, and no one noticed that the DA's evidence doesn't actually match the house that is supposed to be raided.
I noticed "rubber stamping" Judges and overzealous District Attorneys escape your scorn? these are the people that make it possible for a raid to occur in the first place. If judges are not making sure the address is correct, and a District Attorney is 'prosecuting' your residence in front of a Judge, it speaks volumes about the real judicial oversight of the raid themselves when even the simplist part -- the residential address is signed incorrectly, and no one noticed that the DA's evidence doesn't actually match the house that is supposed to be raided.
Posted by: davec at November 30, 2006 01:11 PM (yaQM4)
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A lot of good discussion here.
9mm is medium calibre for a pistol.
My local police dept. was built up by a couple ex paratroopers, and these guys are good at 'serve and protect'. Our region is swamped with meth labs, and still we can avoid the kinds of shootouts you get elsewhere. It's not like the cops here don't have guns.
I have a relaible source that tells me our highway patrol is supplied with M72 law rockets, to emergency stop vehicles at road blocks. Still you never hear of them being used up here.
Our police are part of the community. I think that is the difference.
It would explain the fascism of ATF/FBI tanks a bit better to realize those guys didn't come from Waco.
The old fashioned cops knew the people in their patrol area better.
USA all the way!
9mm is medium calibre for a pistol.
My local police dept. was built up by a couple ex paratroopers, and these guys are good at 'serve and protect'. Our region is swamped with meth labs, and still we can avoid the kinds of shootouts you get elsewhere. It's not like the cops here don't have guns.
I have a relaible source that tells me our highway patrol is supplied with M72 law rockets, to emergency stop vehicles at road blocks. Still you never hear of them being used up here.
Our police are part of the community. I think that is the difference.
It would explain the fascism of ATF/FBI tanks a bit better to realize those guys didn't come from Waco.
The old fashioned cops knew the people in their patrol area better.
USA all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at November 30, 2006 03:38 PM (2OHpj)
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well, we seem to have gotten the ol' conversational ball rolling now, huh? one thing that's guaranteed in a forum like this is a pro-copper will inevitably mention the hollywood shootout. always; every time. and in the same vein, they'll then mention that the cato map of dead citizens - killed by cop error or overzealousness - is a 20-year map; meaning that in any given year, cop error doesn't kill near as many folks as that map would seem to indicate.
can't have it both ways, guys. the hollywood shootout is prety much the only one of its kind. if there were more, you can be sure we'd be hearing about it in forums like this. what's most interesting to me is the sense that cops use that shootout as the holy grail of militarization not so much for "officer safety", but rather their fury and embarrassment at having been (for just that one time) momentarily outgunned. can't have THAT! so, to justify the ongoing upgrading of cop firearms to military-caliber weaponry, we hear about...that one (count 'em) one incident.
as for the gent who cheered the killing of the family dog: we can only hope a cop kills your kids beloved pet while serving a warrant meant for the next-door neighbor. and then jeers at the kid, and his mother, and you. which happens fairly often: look it up. all in the name of "officer safety", of course. we'll see what a hardcase you are then.
can't have it both ways, guys. the hollywood shootout is prety much the only one of its kind. if there were more, you can be sure we'd be hearing about it in forums like this. what's most interesting to me is the sense that cops use that shootout as the holy grail of militarization not so much for "officer safety", but rather their fury and embarrassment at having been (for just that one time) momentarily outgunned. can't have THAT! so, to justify the ongoing upgrading of cop firearms to military-caliber weaponry, we hear about...that one (count 'em) one incident.
as for the gent who cheered the killing of the family dog: we can only hope a cop kills your kids beloved pet while serving a warrant meant for the next-door neighbor. and then jeers at the kid, and his mother, and you. which happens fairly often: look it up. all in the name of "officer safety", of course. we'll see what a hardcase you are then.
Posted by: larry at November 30, 2006 05:05 PM (ay0VS)
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NewGuy, we may not have years of tactical experience like you profess
to have, but by the same token you don't have the same prespective as average joe civilian. You implying we can't have an opinion on the tactics and
equipment since we haven't been in the line of fire is as stupid as
if we said you couldn't have a valid opinion because you don't have to worry
about such a raid since you hint at being on a team that does this kind
of thing.
It's perfectly understandable to do a paramilitary style raid on
someone whose a known crack dealer with multi-conviction and a history
of violence. I don't get why it would be okay to assault a house of
someone who has no record with little or no investigation beforehand on
the word of an informant out to save their own rear, because trace
ammounts of an illicit substance were found in a publicly assessable
bin (otherwise the cops wouldn't have legally been able to search it
without a warrant), or an undercover caught them betting on sports in the office (a very common and usually non-violent thing to do). This is where
davec's proposal of better judicial and prosecutorial oversight would
help the matter tremendously.
These wrong address or invalid cause raids may be an extreme minority of the
overall amount of raids, but the increasing numberof them is a bit
startling. This feeling of alarm is compounded by the realization that
we only really hear about the botched raids in which someone gets
severely injured or killed.
It's also a bit alarming that
there is no recourse for civilians after the fact in a lot of these cases.
In most of these botched raids you guys get investigated, maybe get
suspended for a little while, see a shrink, then come back like nothing
happened (well, okay, maybe you get that promotion a year later than you would've otherwise). We, on the other hand, are at least out hundreds of dollars in repairs.
If we resist because we're startled we get smacked, shot, put in jail for life, or put on death row depending on how 'bad' we behave and how hyped up on adrenaline you guys are. In a lot of communities we can't even sue you or the PD in civil court for a botched raid since any
damage or deaths would be caused in a due to decisions in the 'heat of the moment in a dangerous
situation'.
"I have it from ex-cops I know that it is (unofficial) policy to make
sure you kill if you shoot - a wounded person, perp or not, will take
you to court and ruin your career while a corpse rarely results in so
much as a reprimand."
I've heard the same thing from a few officers I've known, powerclam. They've also given me the same advice when it comes to self defense. I find the later kind of ironic since it's the cops flipping out over the potential of getting shot when they do assaults that contributes to some of these botched raid incidents.
to have, but by the same token you don't have the same prespective as average joe civilian. You implying we can't have an opinion on the tactics and
equipment since we haven't been in the line of fire is as stupid as
if we said you couldn't have a valid opinion because you don't have to worry
about such a raid since you hint at being on a team that does this kind
of thing.
It's perfectly understandable to do a paramilitary style raid on
someone whose a known crack dealer with multi-conviction and a history
of violence. I don't get why it would be okay to assault a house of
someone who has no record with little or no investigation beforehand on
the word of an informant out to save their own rear, because trace
ammounts of an illicit substance were found in a publicly assessable
bin (otherwise the cops wouldn't have legally been able to search it
without a warrant), or an undercover caught them betting on sports in the office (a very common and usually non-violent thing to do). This is where
davec's proposal of better judicial and prosecutorial oversight would
help the matter tremendously.
These wrong address or invalid cause raids may be an extreme minority of the
overall amount of raids, but the increasing numberof them is a bit
startling. This feeling of alarm is compounded by the realization that
we only really hear about the botched raids in which someone gets
severely injured or killed.
It's also a bit alarming that
there is no recourse for civilians after the fact in a lot of these cases.
In most of these botched raids you guys get investigated, maybe get
suspended for a little while, see a shrink, then come back like nothing
happened (well, okay, maybe you get that promotion a year later than you would've otherwise). We, on the other hand, are at least out hundreds of dollars in repairs.
If we resist because we're startled we get smacked, shot, put in jail for life, or put on death row depending on how 'bad' we behave and how hyped up on adrenaline you guys are. In a lot of communities we can't even sue you or the PD in civil court for a botched raid since any
damage or deaths would be caused in a due to decisions in the 'heat of the moment in a dangerous
situation'.
"I have it from ex-cops I know that it is (unofficial) policy to make
sure you kill if you shoot - a wounded person, perp or not, will take
you to court and ruin your career while a corpse rarely results in so
much as a reprimand."
I've heard the same thing from a few officers I've known, powerclam. They've also given me the same advice when it comes to self defense. I find the later kind of ironic since it's the cops flipping out over the potential of getting shot when they do assaults that contributes to some of these botched raid incidents.
Posted by: Ranba Ral at November 30, 2006 05:41 PM (VvXII)
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Officer safety is being overblown. Being a cop is a dangerous game and an Ego trip. If they can't handle it then quit the ego trip. I know some good ones and I know some sorry ones. My problem is the good ones always defend the sorry ones. Reminds me of muslims.
Posted by: Greyrooster at November 30, 2006 05:41 PM (0TutP)
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larry:
The hollywood shootout was 'high profile' it is not the only case of a suspect wearing body armor. a simple google search turned up many more:
The vehicle chase lasted several minutes until the suspect attempted to drive the wrong way through a McDonald's drive-thru. He became blocked in and was unable to escape. The suspect exited the vehicle wearing a bulletproof vest. He pointed his handgun to his right temple and began to walk towards Officer Oakes.
easthampdtapeBefore noon on Wednesday Cape & Islands District Attorney Michael O'Keefe named the deceased as 23 year-old David Hill of Eastham who was arrested twice by local police earlier this year. O’Keefe also said the suspect was wearing a bullet-proof vest. O'Keefe also said the preliminary investigation indicated police did everything proper to "protect the community and themselves". Media reports say Hill had called relatives after the shooting saying he wanted to take someone hostage and kill a police officer.
Wilson approached the suspect and fired several times, but the shots appeared useless due to the multiple layers of body armor, witnesses said.
He was wearing both a bulletproof vest and a military flak jacket.
he Officer returned fire and wounded the suspect. New Haven Police took the suspect into custody and he was found to be wearing a bulletproof vest.
In March 2004, a man wearing a bulletproof vest fired on three Dallas police officers. Officers in that incident were investigating a report that the gunman was selling weapons in the parking lot.
After returning and killing Trooper Phillips, the man, heavily armed and wearing a bullet proof vest, stole Trooper Phillips' cruiser
When the suspect was secured by the officers on the scene, he was found to be wearing a bullet proof vest. Further investigation revealed that the handgun in the suspect's possession had been reported stolen from Fairfax, Virginia.
I'm guessing that is why in some places Felons are not supposed to own bulletproof vests?
The hollywood shootout was 'high profile' it is not the only case of a suspect wearing body armor. a simple google search turned up many more:
The vehicle chase lasted several minutes until the suspect attempted to drive the wrong way through a McDonald's drive-thru. He became blocked in and was unable to escape. The suspect exited the vehicle wearing a bulletproof vest. He pointed his handgun to his right temple and began to walk towards Officer Oakes.
easthampdtapeBefore noon on Wednesday Cape & Islands District Attorney Michael O'Keefe named the deceased as 23 year-old David Hill of Eastham who was arrested twice by local police earlier this year. O’Keefe also said the suspect was wearing a bullet-proof vest. O'Keefe also said the preliminary investigation indicated police did everything proper to "protect the community and themselves". Media reports say Hill had called relatives after the shooting saying he wanted to take someone hostage and kill a police officer.
Wilson approached the suspect and fired several times, but the shots appeared useless due to the multiple layers of body armor, witnesses said.
He was wearing both a bulletproof vest and a military flak jacket.
he Officer returned fire and wounded the suspect. New Haven Police took the suspect into custody and he was found to be wearing a bulletproof vest.
In March 2004, a man wearing a bulletproof vest fired on three Dallas police officers. Officers in that incident were investigating a report that the gunman was selling weapons in the parking lot.
After returning and killing Trooper Phillips, the man, heavily armed and wearing a bullet proof vest, stole Trooper Phillips' cruiser
When the suspect was secured by the officers on the scene, he was found to be wearing a bullet proof vest. Further investigation revealed that the handgun in the suspect's possession had been reported stolen from Fairfax, Virginia.
I'm guessing that is why in some places Felons are not supposed to own bulletproof vests?
Posted by: davec at November 30, 2006 05:43 PM (yaQM4)
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Wolfenfairy:
Only a raging asshole thinks that the public hasn't the right or ability to discuss the actions and policies of our civil servants.
In "the old days," cops didn't hassle law abiding citizens, and they sure as hell didn't blow tham away in no-knock warrant raids, or run them down chasing car thiefs.
Today is a different story. Care to explain the adversarial, "us Vs. them" attitude most large police departments take towards the public?
Cops are routinely exonerated for cowardly and unnecessary brutality, even after that brutality has been caught on film--and you know it. How long has it been since the last footage surfaced of cops striking a victim already pinned to the ground? (Answer: just this month.)
This country has serious problems with its law enforcement policies, techniques, personnel, accountability, and purpose.
Excusing away these problems, or even ignoring them is despicable, and much more harmful than exaggerating them is. I'm sure that 93 year old woman shot to death recently didn't give a rat's ass what caliber the slugs that killed her were.
I have a real problem with people who refer to their profession as "the Brotherhood," rather than as a job.
Only a raging asshole thinks that the public hasn't the right or ability to discuss the actions and policies of our civil servants.
In "the old days," cops didn't hassle law abiding citizens, and they sure as hell didn't blow tham away in no-knock warrant raids, or run them down chasing car thiefs.
Today is a different story. Care to explain the adversarial, "us Vs. them" attitude most large police departments take towards the public?
Cops are routinely exonerated for cowardly and unnecessary brutality, even after that brutality has been caught on film--and you know it. How long has it been since the last footage surfaced of cops striking a victim already pinned to the ground? (Answer: just this month.)
This country has serious problems with its law enforcement policies, techniques, personnel, accountability, and purpose.
Excusing away these problems, or even ignoring them is despicable, and much more harmful than exaggerating them is. I'm sure that 93 year old woman shot to death recently didn't give a rat's ass what caliber the slugs that killed her were.
I have a real problem with people who refer to their profession as "the Brotherhood," rather than as a job.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 30, 2006 06:06 PM (bLPT+)
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rather their fury and embarrassment at having been (for just that one time) momentarily outgunned
Did you even read my post, Larry? The Texas Tower Massacre resulted in 15 dead and 31 wounded... you may not be old enough to have heard of it, but it's happened more than once.
Here's why patrol car rifles are needed: rifles are simply far superior weapons to pistols... any person with any amount of training will select a rifle given the choice. The reason most police officers carry pistols is because they're easily portable, and their confrontations are typically up-close and personal... but what if they're exchanging fire with somebody outside 25 yards? Hits at that range, particularly under pressure, are very difficult. That goes double for moving targets.
The longer sight radius and barrel of most rifles allows far greater accuracy, which most would agree is a good thing. Rifles are also heavier, and will accomodate more-powerful rounds (typically 5.56 NATO) with less felt recoil than even a comparable shotgun. This speeds training, lessens flinching, and provides better extended range capability than even your best shotgun (only likely to be effective to 100 meters or so, and then only with a rifled slug). Patrol car rifle calibers are also a major benefit against body-armor-clad criminals, which we are seeing more and more frequently.
Incidently, a proper frangible 5.56 round is actually safer for the public than a standard 9mm FMJ. The frangible round will not over-penetrate nearly as much, which equals increased safety for bystanders and hostages. This is also one of the reasons why police officers use hollow-point rounds.
As for shooting the dog, it's necessary more often than you'd think. Dogs are inherently territorial, and even a normally-docile poodle-sized dog can turn into a serious impediment when he's got his teeth sunk into your leg. We typically used fire extinguishers or noise-flash distraction devices on them... we only shot them (usually with a suppressed MP5) if it looked like they would compromise a planned stealth entry, or if they were drug-lab or gang clubhouse guard dogs. It's no fun trying to wade through 4 and 5 pitbulls.
Did you even read my post, Larry? The Texas Tower Massacre resulted in 15 dead and 31 wounded... you may not be old enough to have heard of it, but it's happened more than once.
Here's why patrol car rifles are needed: rifles are simply far superior weapons to pistols... any person with any amount of training will select a rifle given the choice. The reason most police officers carry pistols is because they're easily portable, and their confrontations are typically up-close and personal... but what if they're exchanging fire with somebody outside 25 yards? Hits at that range, particularly under pressure, are very difficult. That goes double for moving targets.
The longer sight radius and barrel of most rifles allows far greater accuracy, which most would agree is a good thing. Rifles are also heavier, and will accomodate more-powerful rounds (typically 5.56 NATO) with less felt recoil than even a comparable shotgun. This speeds training, lessens flinching, and provides better extended range capability than even your best shotgun (only likely to be effective to 100 meters or so, and then only with a rifled slug). Patrol car rifle calibers are also a major benefit against body-armor-clad criminals, which we are seeing more and more frequently.
Incidently, a proper frangible 5.56 round is actually safer for the public than a standard 9mm FMJ. The frangible round will not over-penetrate nearly as much, which equals increased safety for bystanders and hostages. This is also one of the reasons why police officers use hollow-point rounds.
As for shooting the dog, it's necessary more often than you'd think. Dogs are inherently territorial, and even a normally-docile poodle-sized dog can turn into a serious impediment when he's got his teeth sunk into your leg. We typically used fire extinguishers or noise-flash distraction devices on them... we only shot them (usually with a suppressed MP5) if it looked like they would compromise a planned stealth entry, or if they were drug-lab or gang clubhouse guard dogs. It's no fun trying to wade through 4 and 5 pitbulls.
Posted by: TheNewGuy at November 30, 2006 06:20 PM (l7IRX)
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I have a real problem with people who refer to their profession as "the Brotherhood," rather than as a job.
So you have a big problem with the Marines too?
And if you're expecting me to defend or justify racisism, corruption, cases where excessive force was clearly used, or where a corrupt department raided an innocent person's property and attempted to use the drug forfeiture laws to take it, you're going to be sorely disapponted... I dislike that kind of thuggery even more than you do.
Incidently, I'm a civilian now... been out of it for several years.
You implying we can't have an opinion on the tactics and
equipment since we haven't been in the line of fire
I never said anything of the sort... everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That said, a person's amount of experience or expertise within the area-of-interest will definitely affect how much I listen to that opinion. What I did do was encourage one poster to gain some experience with a tactic before passing judgement on the practice.
Seems perfectly reasonable to me.
So you have a big problem with the Marines too?
And if you're expecting me to defend or justify racisism, corruption, cases where excessive force was clearly used, or where a corrupt department raided an innocent person's property and attempted to use the drug forfeiture laws to take it, you're going to be sorely disapponted... I dislike that kind of thuggery even more than you do.
Incidently, I'm a civilian now... been out of it for several years.
You implying we can't have an opinion on the tactics and
equipment since we haven't been in the line of fire
I never said anything of the sort... everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That said, a person's amount of experience or expertise within the area-of-interest will definitely affect how much I listen to that opinion. What I did do was encourage one poster to gain some experience with a tactic before passing judgement on the practice.
Seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Posted by: TheNewGuy at November 30, 2006 06:37 PM (l7IRX)
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Let's dispense with the canard that the criminals are better armed than the cops right now. One incident in North hollywood is insufficient to make this ridiculous claim. The North Hollywood shooters were shot dead by the police, and they did not have tanks and assault helicopters--the police do.
The gangsters and robbers of the thirties had tommy guns and other weapons that were superior to what the cops had, so the claim that recently the "bad guys" have become as well armed as the police is just plain ridiculous.
According to the "the cops need to be armed to the teeth" argument, America should just have it's military enforce the law. Of course, officer safety isn't the reason America formed a civil police force. Unfortunately, that has become the driving policy of most police departments nowadays--at the obvious expense of the public.
Yes, criminal sometimes shoot back. Toigh shit. You knew the job could be dangerous when you took it, Fred.
The canard that police are overworked, underfunded, and underpaid does not stand up to even cursory scrutiny. The exact opposite tends to be true.
The job of the police is to enforce the law, not to protect the public. They are trained to do just that.
The truth is, America doesn't need a militarized civil police force, and these paramilitary forces are being used improperly against the public, resulting in deaths of those they're ostensibly meant to serve.
Minding your own business and obeying the endless list of American laws will not protect you from a militarized police force with a gung ho "us vs. them" mentality against the public.
The former police Chief of LA, Daryll Gates, was famous for promoting this policy--and his policies have been widely adopted. I shouldn't have to point out he was, and is, a scum-sucking asshole who made LA worse for law abiding citizens than for criminals.
Things need to be changed, over the objections of Gates style cops and their proponents government, and, God help us, in the public.
The gangsters and robbers of the thirties had tommy guns and other weapons that were superior to what the cops had, so the claim that recently the "bad guys" have become as well armed as the police is just plain ridiculous.
According to the "the cops need to be armed to the teeth" argument, America should just have it's military enforce the law. Of course, officer safety isn't the reason America formed a civil police force. Unfortunately, that has become the driving policy of most police departments nowadays--at the obvious expense of the public.
Yes, criminal sometimes shoot back. Toigh shit. You knew the job could be dangerous when you took it, Fred.
The canard that police are overworked, underfunded, and underpaid does not stand up to even cursory scrutiny. The exact opposite tends to be true.
The job of the police is to enforce the law, not to protect the public. They are trained to do just that.
The truth is, America doesn't need a militarized civil police force, and these paramilitary forces are being used improperly against the public, resulting in deaths of those they're ostensibly meant to serve.
Minding your own business and obeying the endless list of American laws will not protect you from a militarized police force with a gung ho "us vs. them" mentality against the public.
The former police Chief of LA, Daryll Gates, was famous for promoting this policy--and his policies have been widely adopted. I shouldn't have to point out he was, and is, a scum-sucking asshole who made LA worse for law abiding citizens than for criminals.
Things need to be changed, over the objections of Gates style cops and their proponents government, and, God help us, in the public.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 30, 2006 06:49 PM (bLPT+)
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Jeff:
According to the "the cops need to be armed to the teeth" argument, America should just have it's military enforce the law.
The 'Posse Comitatus Act' forbids it, nice loophole to make a military trained law enforcement unit however.
According to the "the cops need to be armed to the teeth" argument, America should just have it's military enforce the law.
The 'Posse Comitatus Act' forbids it, nice loophole to make a military trained law enforcement unit however.
Posted by: davec at November 30, 2006 07:04 PM (yaQM4)
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Jeff:
You guys keep ignoring the fact that SWAT teams only execute a warrant, that has been signed by a Judge. The SWAT teams do not get to selectively choose which warrants they enforce, they have not done the investigation, most of the time they are called in by Detectives or the D.E.A. They limit their research into breaching the building, and the threats they may face, they are also sometimes given a list of materials to look for during a search.
The fact that Police forces are under funded (like the guy said about the reason cops cannot fire enough rounds to be effective marksmen) means that keeping a highly specialized force to do nothing but hostage rescue would be removed from the budget in a hurry, this is one of the reasons they are utilized for other operations, to justify their continued maintenance.
You guys keep ignoring the fact that SWAT teams only execute a warrant, that has been signed by a Judge. The SWAT teams do not get to selectively choose which warrants they enforce, they have not done the investigation, most of the time they are called in by Detectives or the D.E.A. They limit their research into breaching the building, and the threats they may face, they are also sometimes given a list of materials to look for during a search.
The fact that Police forces are under funded (like the guy said about the reason cops cannot fire enough rounds to be effective marksmen) means that keeping a highly specialized force to do nothing but hostage rescue would be removed from the budget in a hurry, this is one of the reasons they are utilized for other operations, to justify their continued maintenance.
Posted by: davec at November 30, 2006 07:16 PM (yaQM4)
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oh, so now we're going to go back 40 years (!), and bring up the texas tower, newguy? just 'rip the stories right off the front page', huh? ok. chances are, i'm older than you; and i'm from texas, so i remember it well. it's interesting that you want to use it as an exhibit for your "lets militarize the cops even more" case, though.
you had a guy in a hardened, elevated sniper post firing down on folks. exactly what military weaponry would have worked on him, had the cops then had it? are you proposing giving mortars to the cops? bazookas? TOW missiles? rpg's? stingers? no? why not?
as for shooting the dog, no, it's NOT "more necessary than you'd think". this is a perfect example of how cops have become SO hung up on "officer safety" that they've made abominations seem ok. in fact, they've made them procedure. every month, we read of instances (and see video) of cops gleefully tasering grannies. and loudmouths. and, lately, small children. (go ahead: google it.) cops have made their precious "safety" so paramount, that we occasionally get videos of cops shooting the tail-wagging family spaniel, as in the infamous tennessee case 2 yrs ago. (you remember: dad had left his wallet on the car roof; cops pulled him over as a "possible bank robber"; supercop blew fido's head off as he playfully bounded out of the car. in front of the kids. despite their pleas to let them close the car door. which were denied, because the family-of-four was being held facedown on the ground. an most unpleasant 'felony stop' for the cleavers, but at least the officers were safe.)
the cops later apologized - sort of, in court - but made it clear that they'd do it again, because god forbid a cop gets nipped by a friendly, tail-wagging terrier. that sort of "risk" is just unacceptable for cops these days, huh?
and there's the rub: militarizing the cops does 2 things, both of then bad.
1) it gives the cops a 'soldier' mindset. how do soldiers deal with their enemies? they "kill people and break things", right? is that how we want cops to operate?
2) allowing the cops to become commandos, or ninjas, only exacerbates a 'we're above law' mentality that all police forces must guard against. do we want cops to become more valuable than everyone else? more special? do *extra-special* people tend to follow the same rules that constrain mere mortals? did the praetorian guards scrupulously follow roman law regarding emporer succession?
you had a guy in a hardened, elevated sniper post firing down on folks. exactly what military weaponry would have worked on him, had the cops then had it? are you proposing giving mortars to the cops? bazookas? TOW missiles? rpg's? stingers? no? why not?
as for shooting the dog, no, it's NOT "more necessary than you'd think". this is a perfect example of how cops have become SO hung up on "officer safety" that they've made abominations seem ok. in fact, they've made them procedure. every month, we read of instances (and see video) of cops gleefully tasering grannies. and loudmouths. and, lately, small children. (go ahead: google it.) cops have made their precious "safety" so paramount, that we occasionally get videos of cops shooting the tail-wagging family spaniel, as in the infamous tennessee case 2 yrs ago. (you remember: dad had left his wallet on the car roof; cops pulled him over as a "possible bank robber"; supercop blew fido's head off as he playfully bounded out of the car. in front of the kids. despite their pleas to let them close the car door. which were denied, because the family-of-four was being held facedown on the ground. an most unpleasant 'felony stop' for the cleavers, but at least the officers were safe.)
the cops later apologized - sort of, in court - but made it clear that they'd do it again, because god forbid a cop gets nipped by a friendly, tail-wagging terrier. that sort of "risk" is just unacceptable for cops these days, huh?
and there's the rub: militarizing the cops does 2 things, both of then bad.
1) it gives the cops a 'soldier' mindset. how do soldiers deal with their enemies? they "kill people and break things", right? is that how we want cops to operate?
2) allowing the cops to become commandos, or ninjas, only exacerbates a 'we're above law' mentality that all police forces must guard against. do we want cops to become more valuable than everyone else? more special? do *extra-special* people tend to follow the same rules that constrain mere mortals? did the praetorian guards scrupulously follow roman law regarding emporer succession?
Posted by: larry at November 30, 2006 07:18 PM (ay0VS)
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New Guy:
My comment was to Wolfenberry, not you, so I'm not surprised you misrepresented it.
I would argue that being a Marine isn't a regular civilian job, but according to your argument, I guess you don't have a big problem with brotherhoods like the Nazis, militias, the Aryan Brotherhood, Islamic Brotherhood, etc.
An absolutist argument is a specious argument. I don't expect anyone who disagrees with me to defend the worst police atrocities imaginable. I expect they're wrong, not raging extremists. It's inaccurate to claim otherwise.
Mayberry did indeed claim that only those with police experience were qualified to make comments about law enforcement. This group would include the most corrupt and incompetent people ever to wear a badge, so you can understand why I have a problem with self serving and idiotic statements like that. The idea that the police can effectively police themselves is ludicrous, IAD or no IAD. Unless you're posting comments under two different screen names, it wasn't directed at you.
I've never shot myself in the foot to gain some experience on the subject, but it sounds reasonable to you. I don't need to try it myself to know it's a bad idea, and one that shouldn't be practiced by anybody.
The argument that only first hand experience is valid, is even more juvenile than an absolutist one. According to this argument, you cant comment on McNamera unless you've known him personally, and you cant comment on blowing away old ladies unless you've also done that personally.
My comment was to Wolfenberry, not you, so I'm not surprised you misrepresented it.
I would argue that being a Marine isn't a regular civilian job, but according to your argument, I guess you don't have a big problem with brotherhoods like the Nazis, militias, the Aryan Brotherhood, Islamic Brotherhood, etc.
An absolutist argument is a specious argument. I don't expect anyone who disagrees with me to defend the worst police atrocities imaginable. I expect they're wrong, not raging extremists. It's inaccurate to claim otherwise.
Mayberry did indeed claim that only those with police experience were qualified to make comments about law enforcement. This group would include the most corrupt and incompetent people ever to wear a badge, so you can understand why I have a problem with self serving and idiotic statements like that. The idea that the police can effectively police themselves is ludicrous, IAD or no IAD. Unless you're posting comments under two different screen names, it wasn't directed at you.
I've never shot myself in the foot to gain some experience on the subject, but it sounds reasonable to you. I don't need to try it myself to know it's a bad idea, and one that shouldn't be practiced by anybody.
The argument that only first hand experience is valid, is even more juvenile than an absolutist one. According to this argument, you cant comment on McNamera unless you've known him personally, and you cant comment on blowing away old ladies unless you've also done that personally.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 30, 2006 07:21 PM (bLPT+)
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Let's dispense with the canard that the criminals are better armed than the cops right now.
So what? I don't want parity... I want a better gun than the other guy... all the time, every time. If you're fighting for your life or somebody else's, and you find yourself in a fair fight, you've done something wrong somewhere along the way.
so the claim that recently the "bad guys" have become as well armed as the police is just plain ridiculous
And what did the G-men in the 1920's and 30's era do? They armed themselves similarly.
America should just have it's military enforce the law
Nobody is saying this. Nice strawman. Next.
The canard that police are overworked, underfunded, and underpaid does
not stand up to even cursory scrutiny. The exact opposite tends to be
true.
How much would you want to be paid to risk your life protecting a snide, judgemental, arrogant individual like yourself? In NYC, cops are paid less than teachers... 31K compared to 39K. That's $8000 dollars less per year (starting pay). How's that for cursory scrutiny?
Minding your own business and obeying the endless list of American laws will not protect you
Right. Because we did away with all that "probable cause," "due process," and "trial by jury" stuff years ago.
So what? I don't want parity... I want a better gun than the other guy... all the time, every time. If you're fighting for your life or somebody else's, and you find yourself in a fair fight, you've done something wrong somewhere along the way.
so the claim that recently the "bad guys" have become as well armed as the police is just plain ridiculous
And what did the G-men in the 1920's and 30's era do? They armed themselves similarly.
America should just have it's military enforce the law
Nobody is saying this. Nice strawman. Next.
The canard that police are overworked, underfunded, and underpaid does
not stand up to even cursory scrutiny. The exact opposite tends to be
true.
How much would you want to be paid to risk your life protecting a snide, judgemental, arrogant individual like yourself? In NYC, cops are paid less than teachers... 31K compared to 39K. That's $8000 dollars less per year (starting pay). How's that for cursory scrutiny?
Minding your own business and obeying the endless list of American laws will not protect you
Right. Because we did away with all that "probable cause," "due process," and "trial by jury" stuff years ago.
Posted by: TheNewGuy at November 30, 2006 07:24 PM (l7IRX)
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Davec:
The posse comitatus law is one of the reasons the argument for arming cops to the teeth is so ridiculous. Civil authorities were never meant to be armed so heavily. As you point out, training cops to act like commandoes exploits a loophole in the law--a loophole I was trying to point out through absurdist sarcasm.
The posse comitatus law is one of the reasons the argument for arming cops to the teeth is so ridiculous. Civil authorities were never meant to be armed so heavily. As you point out, training cops to act like commandoes exploits a loophole in the law--a loophole I was trying to point out through absurdist sarcasm.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 30, 2006 07:27 PM (bLPT+)
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I guess you don't have a big problem with brotherhoods like the Nazis, militias, the Aryan Brotherhood, Islamic Brotherhood
I really don't care what they call themselves... I care more about what they do. I wasn't the one making an issue of "brotherhood."
I've never shot myself in the foot to gain some experience on the subject
Because that's exactly the same as working in a field to gain experience, thus lending depth, understanding, and credibility to your position. Is that what you're trying to imply? You've no experience in law enforcement, warrant service, or tactical operations, yet you feel we should lend great weight to your opinion on the matter? You might take shooting lessons from a guy who has never picked up a gun, but I wouldn't.
The argument that only first hand experience is valid, is even more juvenile than an absolutist one
No... it's a perfectly legitimate point. You're welcome to your opinion on quantum mechanics and the properties of quarks, but if your knowledge is superficial, and you have no background in the field to speak of (either educational or vocational), expect a group of physicists to be skeptical, particularly if you can't even demonstrate an undergraduate level of knowledge. Your opinion may be "valid" to you, but it would certainly be viewed with a jaundiced eye by those assembled.
I really don't care what they call themselves... I care more about what they do. I wasn't the one making an issue of "brotherhood."
I've never shot myself in the foot to gain some experience on the subject
Because that's exactly the same as working in a field to gain experience, thus lending depth, understanding, and credibility to your position. Is that what you're trying to imply? You've no experience in law enforcement, warrant service, or tactical operations, yet you feel we should lend great weight to your opinion on the matter? You might take shooting lessons from a guy who has never picked up a gun, but I wouldn't.
The argument that only first hand experience is valid, is even more juvenile than an absolutist one
No... it's a perfectly legitimate point. You're welcome to your opinion on quantum mechanics and the properties of quarks, but if your knowledge is superficial, and you have no background in the field to speak of (either educational or vocational), expect a group of physicists to be skeptical, particularly if you can't even demonstrate an undergraduate level of knowledge. Your opinion may be "valid" to you, but it would certainly be viewed with a jaundiced eye by those assembled.
Posted by: TheNewGuy at November 30, 2006 07:47 PM (l7IRX)
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Dumb Guy:
Parity? Timothy McViegh blew up a federal building, and the islamopithecines want to use nukes. Should cops be allowed to use these weapons? Outside of Waco, I mean. Where do you draw the line?
The cops don't need to be better armed, because they outnumber the criminals overwhelmingly. You could give a nut a fucking bazooka or a tank, and he could still be taken down--and has.
If someone is too much of a pussy to risk his life against someone who could, conceivably, be better armed than him and a hundred of his fellow cops, he shouldn't be working as a cop in the first place. This country needs cops with at least as much balls as the criminals, not less.
The G-men of the thirties used Tommy guns--police forces did not, especially not for petty drug busts. The G-men weren't used to serve no-knock warrants on old ladies, either. I knew someone would use this lame argument, but I didn't want to insult their intelligence in advance by pointing out that little fact.
Having TWAT teams that are indistinguishable from the military is the reason I wrote that we might as well have the military enforce the law. I guess it was too subtle for you. Your argument is a straw man argument.
When I was in college, I worked the graveyard shift at a convenience store in a crappy neighborhood. My job was a thousand times more dangerous than any law enforcement job--as the death statistics prove conclusively--and I never complained about my low wages. Any cops out there paid a clerk's wages? Didn't think so.
Other people have to go to college to gain job skills, or gain them through experience. Cops get free, on the job training, so quit whining about pay scales.
Teachers deserve more money than cops, but whether you agree with that or not, teachers don't get massive overtime payments, and their pay increase scale is paltry compared to pay increases for cops. Cooking the books with your NYC figures doesn't change these facts. Not only that, but schools don't claim massive fraudulent overtime hours--large police departments do so regularly. This is all assuming your figures are true. I happen to know that not all teachers in NYC start out at 39k.
"Probable cause" is usually whatever a cop says it is, no matter how improbable, "due process" means innoocent people sit in jail awaiting a trial they may lose, and "trial by jury" means O.J. and the Rodney King cops walk free.
I've read some good arguments on this thread that were in favor of over-arming the police, but yours aren't among them. Yours are poorly constructed and self-serving. Self-serving assuming you really were a cop, of course. If you were, did you take an early retirement with those stingy benefits you were snivelling about?
Parity? Timothy McViegh blew up a federal building, and the islamopithecines want to use nukes. Should cops be allowed to use these weapons? Outside of Waco, I mean. Where do you draw the line?
The cops don't need to be better armed, because they outnumber the criminals overwhelmingly. You could give a nut a fucking bazooka or a tank, and he could still be taken down--and has.
If someone is too much of a pussy to risk his life against someone who could, conceivably, be better armed than him and a hundred of his fellow cops, he shouldn't be working as a cop in the first place. This country needs cops with at least as much balls as the criminals, not less.
The G-men of the thirties used Tommy guns--police forces did not, especially not for petty drug busts. The G-men weren't used to serve no-knock warrants on old ladies, either. I knew someone would use this lame argument, but I didn't want to insult their intelligence in advance by pointing out that little fact.
Having TWAT teams that are indistinguishable from the military is the reason I wrote that we might as well have the military enforce the law. I guess it was too subtle for you. Your argument is a straw man argument.
When I was in college, I worked the graveyard shift at a convenience store in a crappy neighborhood. My job was a thousand times more dangerous than any law enforcement job--as the death statistics prove conclusively--and I never complained about my low wages. Any cops out there paid a clerk's wages? Didn't think so.
Other people have to go to college to gain job skills, or gain them through experience. Cops get free, on the job training, so quit whining about pay scales.
Teachers deserve more money than cops, but whether you agree with that or not, teachers don't get massive overtime payments, and their pay increase scale is paltry compared to pay increases for cops. Cooking the books with your NYC figures doesn't change these facts. Not only that, but schools don't claim massive fraudulent overtime hours--large police departments do so regularly. This is all assuming your figures are true. I happen to know that not all teachers in NYC start out at 39k.
"Probable cause" is usually whatever a cop says it is, no matter how improbable, "due process" means innoocent people sit in jail awaiting a trial they may lose, and "trial by jury" means O.J. and the Rodney King cops walk free.
I've read some good arguments on this thread that were in favor of over-arming the police, but yours aren't among them. Yours are poorly constructed and self-serving. Self-serving assuming you really were a cop, of course. If you were, did you take an early retirement with those stingy benefits you were snivelling about?
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 30, 2006 08:02 PM (bLPT+)
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I have never overlooked the fact that SWAT teams get their no-knock warrants from judges. This entire process is a travesty, as I've pointed out repeatedly.
Cops can use police shooting ranges in their spare time whenever they feel like it, although its sophistry to claim they fire too many rounds because they're poor shots. The victims of police shootings are often filled with more than 50 slugs. It's also sophistry to use this argument to claim police forces are underfunded.
Check the police budget in the city you live in, then tell me if it's underfunded. Bear in mind that I will check up on it.
Cops can use police shooting ranges in their spare time whenever they feel like it, although its sophistry to claim they fire too many rounds because they're poor shots. The victims of police shootings are often filled with more than 50 slugs. It's also sophistry to use this argument to claim police forces are underfunded.
Check the police budget in the city you live in, then tell me if it's underfunded. Bear in mind that I will check up on it.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 30, 2006 08:07 PM (bLPT+)
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P.S.,
Your comment about "continued mainenence" proves the many points I've made about justifying bloated budgets. It's impossible to have a bloated, underfunded budget, by the way.
Your comment about "continued mainenence" proves the many points I've made about justifying bloated budgets. It's impossible to have a bloated, underfunded budget, by the way.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 30, 2006 08:10 PM (bLPT+)
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Dumb Guy:
Your already piss-poor arguments have descended into sheer petifoggery. Why don't you address some of the issues Larry brought up, instead of wasting my time with unprincipled apologetics for scumbags on the public dole.
Your already piss-poor arguments have descended into sheer petifoggery. Why don't you address some of the issues Larry brought up, instead of wasting my time with unprincipled apologetics for scumbags on the public dole.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 30, 2006 08:18 PM (bLPT+)
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Not bad Wolfenberry. Not bad. Can both sides be right? What can be done to protect both the cops and the innocent citizens? My take is that cops are trained to escalate situations under the guise they are just protecting themselves. Again, there are two sides. Here's a true one. The video was one TV a few years ago.
Two Texas highway patrolmen stopped a car with two black young men in it. They said they were driving suspicious. To make it short the cops told the two young men to exit their car and kneel by the side of the road. It had just rained and the roadside was wet and muddy. The two young men were well dressed on their way to some function and refused to kneel in the mud. One cop began screaming and hitting one man behind the knees to make him kneel. The man turned and punched the cop knocking him down. He then turned his back and began walking away when the cop shot him in the back, killing him. The cops were found not guilty of any crime. They claim merely did as they were trained to do. They followed police procedure. I say the procedure was wrong. We can come up with a thousand reasons to over react. Should everyone build a fence around their house that will stop an elephant just in case an elephant escapes from some zoo? Making people who haven't comitted a crime kneel in the mud is the same as making the elephant fence. Totally unnessary. If I am ever stopped and instructed to kneel in the mud while dressed in my Sunday best I will be shot too. Unless I am the fastest draw.
Two Texas highway patrolmen stopped a car with two black young men in it. They said they were driving suspicious. To make it short the cops told the two young men to exit their car and kneel by the side of the road. It had just rained and the roadside was wet and muddy. The two young men were well dressed on their way to some function and refused to kneel in the mud. One cop began screaming and hitting one man behind the knees to make him kneel. The man turned and punched the cop knocking him down. He then turned his back and began walking away when the cop shot him in the back, killing him. The cops were found not guilty of any crime. They claim merely did as they were trained to do. They followed police procedure. I say the procedure was wrong. We can come up with a thousand reasons to over react. Should everyone build a fence around their house that will stop an elephant just in case an elephant escapes from some zoo? Making people who haven't comitted a crime kneel in the mud is the same as making the elephant fence. Totally unnessary. If I am ever stopped and instructed to kneel in the mud while dressed in my Sunday best I will be shot too. Unless I am the fastest draw.
Posted by: Greyrooster at November 30, 2006 09:38 PM (0TutP)
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"Dumb Guy"
Did you come up with that all by yourself?
The cops don't need to be better armed, because they outnumber the criminals overwhelmingly
Actually, no. Reference this article on MSNBC: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15960666/
7 million americans in the justice system, compared to approx 950,000 police employees (total, including dispatchers and such) in the US, including federal officers. By my math, that means the criminals outnumber the police by about seven to one. Did you have some other numbers you wanted to use? In case you were referring to when backup arrives, most cops patrol in one-man cars, so until backup gets there, it's generally the officer who is outnumbered
I worked the graveyard shift at a convenience store in a crappy neighborhood
You brave, hardy soul... confronting death in every aisle. Those cowardly cops in that crappy neighborhood probably called you for backup, didn't they? I'll bet you got called to domestic disputes by the beer cooler and broke up bar-fights over by the slurpee machine every night. Those traffic stops you did to those armed gang members in the parking lot must have been pretty hairy as well.
My job was a thousand times more dangerous than any law enforcement job
The statistics on workplace fatalities puts police officers jobs as roughly four times as risky as cashiers... here's a pdf from the Bureau of Labor Statistics: http://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfar0020.pdf
Having TWAT teams that are indistinguishable from the military
So we use frag grenades, thermobaric weaponry, close air support, and have identical rules of engagement?
Your problem is that you're fundamentally a cop-hater... a bigot. You rail against your own inaccurate stereotype, and consider all cops foot soldiers of "the man." The saddest part of it all is that, like most hate derived from identity politics, it's based on pure ignorance.
Greyrooster:
You hit on something very important when you said: "My take is that cops are trained to escalate situations under the guise they are just protecting themselves"
And you're exactly right. Cops aren't allowed to lose a fight... because now the bad guy has your gun, your radio, your OC, your ASP, your cuffs, your taser, your car, your rifle... as a cop, losing a fight usually means serious injury or death. Try to look at it in that light when you attempt to discern what was going through an officer's mind during a confrontation.
Also, an officer has a duty to arrest... he doesn't have the option of simply fleeing a confrontation like a civilian. This is one of the reasons why police are generally allowed to use necessary force to effect an arrest, while a citizen may typically only use equal force. An officer's greater responsibility is recognized under the law, and thus police officers are granted power commensurate with that duty.
Did you come up with that all by yourself?
The cops don't need to be better armed, because they outnumber the criminals overwhelmingly
Actually, no. Reference this article on MSNBC: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15960666/
7 million americans in the justice system, compared to approx 950,000 police employees (total, including dispatchers and such) in the US, including federal officers. By my math, that means the criminals outnumber the police by about seven to one. Did you have some other numbers you wanted to use? In case you were referring to when backup arrives, most cops patrol in one-man cars, so until backup gets there, it's generally the officer who is outnumbered
I worked the graveyard shift at a convenience store in a crappy neighborhood
You brave, hardy soul... confronting death in every aisle. Those cowardly cops in that crappy neighborhood probably called you for backup, didn't they? I'll bet you got called to domestic disputes by the beer cooler and broke up bar-fights over by the slurpee machine every night. Those traffic stops you did to those armed gang members in the parking lot must have been pretty hairy as well.
My job was a thousand times more dangerous than any law enforcement job
The statistics on workplace fatalities puts police officers jobs as roughly four times as risky as cashiers... here's a pdf from the Bureau of Labor Statistics: http://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfar0020.pdf
Having TWAT teams that are indistinguishable from the military
So we use frag grenades, thermobaric weaponry, close air support, and have identical rules of engagement?
Your problem is that you're fundamentally a cop-hater... a bigot. You rail against your own inaccurate stereotype, and consider all cops foot soldiers of "the man." The saddest part of it all is that, like most hate derived from identity politics, it's based on pure ignorance.
Greyrooster:
You hit on something very important when you said: "My take is that cops are trained to escalate situations under the guise they are just protecting themselves"
And you're exactly right. Cops aren't allowed to lose a fight... because now the bad guy has your gun, your radio, your OC, your ASP, your cuffs, your taser, your car, your rifle... as a cop, losing a fight usually means serious injury or death. Try to look at it in that light when you attempt to discern what was going through an officer's mind during a confrontation.
Also, an officer has a duty to arrest... he doesn't have the option of simply fleeing a confrontation like a civilian. This is one of the reasons why police are generally allowed to use necessary force to effect an arrest, while a citizen may typically only use equal force. An officer's greater responsibility is recognized under the law, and thus police officers are granted power commensurate with that duty.
Posted by: TheNewGuy at November 30, 2006 10:22 PM (l7IRX)
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Cops can use police shooting ranges in their spare time whenever they feel like it
Free ammunition? I'm assuming if the answer is no, you have no idea how expensive it is to go the range with a good supply of ammunition.
although its sophistry to claim they fire too many rounds because they're poor shots. The victims of police shootings are often filled with more than 50 slugs.
Where you live they call that being a marksman then?
What is the ratio of expended to hit? are you claiming that the large majority strikes the victim?
It's impossible to have a bloated, underfunded budget, by the way.
Budget procurement is the same for the Police as it is in your office, if you use something 3 times a year, and pay over a hundred thousand a year for it, someone from above is going to "trim the fat" for you, however if you show how you use the same 4 days a week, a little bit harder to remove it.
The Police budget is also like your environment, it is possible to under fund a project, and fund others correctly. Here's a hint, the taxpayer doesn't want to spend thousands of dollars a month for their local police force to buy practice ammunition.
Free ammunition? I'm assuming if the answer is no, you have no idea how expensive it is to go the range with a good supply of ammunition.
although its sophistry to claim they fire too many rounds because they're poor shots. The victims of police shootings are often filled with more than 50 slugs.
Where you live they call that being a marksman then?
What is the ratio of expended to hit? are you claiming that the large majority strikes the victim?
It's impossible to have a bloated, underfunded budget, by the way.
Budget procurement is the same for the Police as it is in your office, if you use something 3 times a year, and pay over a hundred thousand a year for it, someone from above is going to "trim the fat" for you, however if you show how you use the same 4 days a week, a little bit harder to remove it.
The Police budget is also like your environment, it is possible to under fund a project, and fund others correctly. Here's a hint, the taxpayer doesn't want to spend thousands of dollars a month for their local police force to buy practice ammunition.
Posted by: davec at November 30, 2006 11:15 PM (yaQM4)
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"The argument that only first hand experience is valid, is even more juvenile than an absolutist one. According to this argument, you cant comment on McNamera unless you've known him personally, and you cant comment on blowing away old ladies unless you've also done that personally."
I have never, and would never claim that you "can't" comment on something you have no knowledge of. By all means, you have the right to comment all day and all night about it, even in your sleep if you like.
However, no one, least of all those who DO have personal experience, respects what you would have to say. By all means comment all you like. But don't expect to be respected or treated seriously or listened to. In other words, you comments would have about as much interest as the exact number of fleas on my dog's behind.
This argument will never be "won" or "lost". Those who hate the police always will, and those who respect them will continue to respect them. I have a sneaking suspicion that those who have snide comments about the police have probably been arrested before for one thing or another, or have "checkered" pasts, or have "habits" they are secretly ashamed of. In any case, these people will be the first to dial 911 when their houses are broken into, their purses are snatched, or their kittens caught in the chimney.
Wolfenberry
I have never, and would never claim that you "can't" comment on something you have no knowledge of. By all means, you have the right to comment all day and all night about it, even in your sleep if you like.
However, no one, least of all those who DO have personal experience, respects what you would have to say. By all means comment all you like. But don't expect to be respected or treated seriously or listened to. In other words, you comments would have about as much interest as the exact number of fleas on my dog's behind.
This argument will never be "won" or "lost". Those who hate the police always will, and those who respect them will continue to respect them. I have a sneaking suspicion that those who have snide comments about the police have probably been arrested before for one thing or another, or have "checkered" pasts, or have "habits" they are secretly ashamed of. In any case, these people will be the first to dial 911 when their houses are broken into, their purses are snatched, or their kittens caught in the chimney.
Wolfenberry
Posted by: Wolfenberry at November 30, 2006 11:51 PM (ex4MB)
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New Gay:
You are devoid of reason, and immune to logic. Sadly, I predicted you would right something this stupid.
Unless all the people locked behind bars were working in concert commiting the same crime, your statistics are meaningless. When a group of people commit a crime, there are always a larger number of cops able to go after them. That's just common sense--something you obviously lack.
Single cops in cars don't take on the fictional hyper armed criminals you keep going on about. Maybe you can explain why hordes of cops show up for simple traffic pull overs if the first cops feel threatened.
While I was a clerk, the local police tried to trick me into selling beer to some squirrel in the explorer scouts. They were just doing it to serve and protect me, of course. After all, if they were concerned about the safety of underaged drinkers, they wouldn't throw them in jail, would they?
No cop does all the things you described every night, not even throwing innocent husbands in jail for domestic disputes. If they don't like their jobs, they can feel free to quit. Until then, stop whining about payscales. Most cops are woefully uneducated, but they can make far more than someone with a college degree. They make a hell of a lot more than soldiers fighting in Iraq, so shut the fuck up.
You're cooking the books again with your labor statistics quote. You're comparing total numbers instead of proportional numbers, you moron. There are far more law enforcement officials in America than convenience store clerks. Parade Magazine publishes a reputable list of the most dangerous jobs every year, and C store clerks have a much more dangerous job. Cops don't even make it to the top ten. The study you pointed to isn't reputable at all, even disregarding the difference between total and proportional numbers.
Are the Close Quarter Combat techniques used by Twat teams the same as those used by real commandoes? Do they dress up like GI Joe or all in Black like the SS/Gestapo? Are they trained by military commandos?
Your problem is that you're fundamentally an immoral, unethical apologist for vile policies and behaviour. You excuse every police atrocity, and label anyone who criticizes them as a "Cop hater." I'm an asshole hater, not a cop hater, and cops who shoots dogs and old ladies, or taser grannies, women and children are assholes.
If you want an example of a bigot, I'd say the film of your boys shooting an innocent, unarmed Black guy in the back is a good example. Of course, that asshole was obviously bigoted against the public, period.
You lie as badly as crooked cops do, but I don't believe for a minute you were ever a cop. A real cop would have puffed his chest up and told me what a tough guy he was supposed to be.
My sister and old boss used to be cops, and the kind of low-lives you're defending here are the reason they quit.
You are devoid of reason, and immune to logic. Sadly, I predicted you would right something this stupid.
Unless all the people locked behind bars were working in concert commiting the same crime, your statistics are meaningless. When a group of people commit a crime, there are always a larger number of cops able to go after them. That's just common sense--something you obviously lack.
Single cops in cars don't take on the fictional hyper armed criminals you keep going on about. Maybe you can explain why hordes of cops show up for simple traffic pull overs if the first cops feel threatened.
While I was a clerk, the local police tried to trick me into selling beer to some squirrel in the explorer scouts. They were just doing it to serve and protect me, of course. After all, if they were concerned about the safety of underaged drinkers, they wouldn't throw them in jail, would they?
No cop does all the things you described every night, not even throwing innocent husbands in jail for domestic disputes. If they don't like their jobs, they can feel free to quit. Until then, stop whining about payscales. Most cops are woefully uneducated, but they can make far more than someone with a college degree. They make a hell of a lot more than soldiers fighting in Iraq, so shut the fuck up.
You're cooking the books again with your labor statistics quote. You're comparing total numbers instead of proportional numbers, you moron. There are far more law enforcement officials in America than convenience store clerks. Parade Magazine publishes a reputable list of the most dangerous jobs every year, and C store clerks have a much more dangerous job. Cops don't even make it to the top ten. The study you pointed to isn't reputable at all, even disregarding the difference between total and proportional numbers.
Are the Close Quarter Combat techniques used by Twat teams the same as those used by real commandoes? Do they dress up like GI Joe or all in Black like the SS/Gestapo? Are they trained by military commandos?
Your problem is that you're fundamentally an immoral, unethical apologist for vile policies and behaviour. You excuse every police atrocity, and label anyone who criticizes them as a "Cop hater." I'm an asshole hater, not a cop hater, and cops who shoots dogs and old ladies, or taser grannies, women and children are assholes.
If you want an example of a bigot, I'd say the film of your boys shooting an innocent, unarmed Black guy in the back is a good example. Of course, that asshole was obviously bigoted against the public, period.
You lie as badly as crooked cops do, but I don't believe for a minute you were ever a cop. A real cop would have puffed his chest up and told me what a tough guy he was supposed to be.
My sister and old boss used to be cops, and the kind of low-lives you're defending here are the reason they quit.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 01, 2006 12:18 AM (bLPT+)
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Davec:
My brother in law used free ammunition went he practiced. Show me proof that any police department in the country doesn't allow its officers enough ammunition and training time to become proficcient with a gun.
Good luck with that.
The ratio of expended to hit is never the same, son. If someone has 50 fucking slugs pulled out of his corpse, that's too many. Maybe you can explain why cops often reload and fire off another magazine into a prone corpse.
Your description of budget hijinks doesn't help your case, it simply proves mine. Police departments virtually always go into the black, even when crime rates drop. They also get all kinds of special budget increases from city councils, ballot initiatives, policeman's ball drives, etc. Police departments don't pay the same price for ammunition that we do.
My brother in law used free ammunition went he practiced. Show me proof that any police department in the country doesn't allow its officers enough ammunition and training time to become proficcient with a gun.
Good luck with that.
The ratio of expended to hit is never the same, son. If someone has 50 fucking slugs pulled out of his corpse, that's too many. Maybe you can explain why cops often reload and fire off another magazine into a prone corpse.
Your description of budget hijinks doesn't help your case, it simply proves mine. Police departments virtually always go into the black, even when crime rates drop. They also get all kinds of special budget increases from city councils, ballot initiatives, policeman's ball drives, etc. Police departments don't pay the same price for ammunition that we do.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 01, 2006 12:26 AM (bLPT+)
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Mayberry:
I don't respect a thing an excusing sophist like you has to say. I don't have to shoot an old lady to know that no-knock warrants are complete bullshit, and I don't have to travel to the sun to give you an accurate reading of its surface and core temperatures.
Claiming that only first hand knowledge is valid is as sophomoric an argument as exists. According to your criteria, no SWAT team rookie should be "treated seriously or listened to" until he goes on his first "mission" against a drug dealer (what a joke,) and shoots an old lady.
Can you tell me why the police didn't arrest the drug dealer when he sold them the fucking drugs? Was dressing up like GI Joe or the Gestapo/SS and kicking his door in later just too much fun to pass up?
This "argument" will be won by the public when we reform our broken criminal justice system. Those who reflexively defend every police problem always will, and those with enough integrity to hold our civil servants accountable will do so. Liars like you will continue to smear anyone concerned with reforming law enforcement as a "cop hater," no matter how valid our concerns are.
By claiming that anyone with a legitimate concern has a criminal record, you validate my description of the adversarial, "us vs, them" policies of most police departments--not to mention the mindset of cops and blind cop supporters.
Speaking personally, every time I've dialed 911, the police showed up more than an hour later. They were a real help. No doubt if I were a woman who said her husband wouldn't give her money for new shoes, they would have shown up within minutes to haul me off to jail on a "domestic" charge. No, the police are more likely to arrest me for defending myself from a burglar. You know it too, which is why I have zero respect for your dishonest opinions.
Why don't you tell me how tazering grannies, women, and kids is acceptable? We already know you excuse the shooting deaths of old women. Why don't you stop defending every miscarriage of justice that causes public concern, and offer a coherent suggestion for addressing a problem of huge fucking proportions?
I don't respect a thing an excusing sophist like you has to say. I don't have to shoot an old lady to know that no-knock warrants are complete bullshit, and I don't have to travel to the sun to give you an accurate reading of its surface and core temperatures.
Claiming that only first hand knowledge is valid is as sophomoric an argument as exists. According to your criteria, no SWAT team rookie should be "treated seriously or listened to" until he goes on his first "mission" against a drug dealer (what a joke,) and shoots an old lady.
Can you tell me why the police didn't arrest the drug dealer when he sold them the fucking drugs? Was dressing up like GI Joe or the Gestapo/SS and kicking his door in later just too much fun to pass up?
This "argument" will be won by the public when we reform our broken criminal justice system. Those who reflexively defend every police problem always will, and those with enough integrity to hold our civil servants accountable will do so. Liars like you will continue to smear anyone concerned with reforming law enforcement as a "cop hater," no matter how valid our concerns are.
By claiming that anyone with a legitimate concern has a criminal record, you validate my description of the adversarial, "us vs, them" policies of most police departments--not to mention the mindset of cops and blind cop supporters.
Speaking personally, every time I've dialed 911, the police showed up more than an hour later. They were a real help. No doubt if I were a woman who said her husband wouldn't give her money for new shoes, they would have shown up within minutes to haul me off to jail on a "domestic" charge. No, the police are more likely to arrest me for defending myself from a burglar. You know it too, which is why I have zero respect for your dishonest opinions.
Why don't you tell me how tazering grannies, women, and kids is acceptable? We already know you excuse the shooting deaths of old women. Why don't you stop defending every miscarriage of justice that causes public concern, and offer a coherent suggestion for addressing a problem of huge fucking proportions?
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 01, 2006 12:49 AM (bLPT+)
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Hey Mayberry, I almost forgot: You claim to have been a cop, and you will not respect, treat seriously,or listen to any observation about police procedure, unless that person has police experience.
With this kind of misplaced arrogance, is it any wonder that innocent people keep getting blown away? Is it any wonder many people no longer trust the police?
Thanks for providing proof that our police departments need to be reformed. Thanks for providing that glimpse into the mind of someone who thinks only cops shouldn't be held accountable for their actions. A criminal shoots somebady accidentally, and he needs to go to jail. A cop shoots an innocent person deliberately, and its a "good shooting." No big deal, these things happen.
Fuck you.
With this kind of misplaced arrogance, is it any wonder that innocent people keep getting blown away? Is it any wonder many people no longer trust the police?
Thanks for providing proof that our police departments need to be reformed. Thanks for providing that glimpse into the mind of someone who thinks only cops shouldn't be held accountable for their actions. A criminal shoots somebady accidentally, and he needs to go to jail. A cop shoots an innocent person deliberately, and its a "good shooting." No big deal, these things happen.
Fuck you.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 01, 2006 01:13 AM (bLPT+)
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i gotta go with bargholz on this one. i've been in several web conversations about out-of-control cops, etc., and eventually, inevitably, they turn ugly. bad words; mean names called; all that.
the thing is, that in *each and every instance*, the guy who started the conversation's downward slide into profanity & threats is....the guy who (at least claims to) makes a living as a cop. every time. see above: that's pretty much what happened here, too. (the post addressed to "wolfenfairy"). seeing as how that more or less confirms the argument of "cops are out of control, and see themselves as above law & societal norms", that's a bad sign.
a worse sign is, presumably the cop (or the wannabe poser) (but they can't ALL be wannabe posers, now, can they. or are you lying about your cop experience, newguy?), the cop already knows that; and he just doesn't care. so! how might we describe an individual who ascribes his identity solely from belonging to an armed group; an armed group that literally sees the world as "us" and "them"; an armed group that sees themselves as above the law and social norms; an armed group so contemptuous of 'normal' folks that they kill their dogs, rather than risk being nipped?
oh, i dunno....i'm thinking "crip", maybe, or "vice lord", or "sociopath". certainly not officer friendly, anyway. is that really how police in american society should be behaving? like a mixture of pablo escobar and hannibal lecter?
the thing is, that in *each and every instance*, the guy who started the conversation's downward slide into profanity & threats is....the guy who (at least claims to) makes a living as a cop. every time. see above: that's pretty much what happened here, too. (the post addressed to "wolfenfairy"). seeing as how that more or less confirms the argument of "cops are out of control, and see themselves as above law & societal norms", that's a bad sign.
a worse sign is, presumably the cop (or the wannabe poser) (but they can't ALL be wannabe posers, now, can they. or are you lying about your cop experience, newguy?), the cop already knows that; and he just doesn't care. so! how might we describe an individual who ascribes his identity solely from belonging to an armed group; an armed group that literally sees the world as "us" and "them"; an armed group that sees themselves as above the law and social norms; an armed group so contemptuous of 'normal' folks that they kill their dogs, rather than risk being nipped?
oh, i dunno....i'm thinking "crip", maybe, or "vice lord", or "sociopath". certainly not officer friendly, anyway. is that really how police in american society should be behaving? like a mixture of pablo escobar and hannibal lecter?
Posted by: larry at December 01, 2006 03:46 AM (ay0VS)
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well, that's embarrassing. just re-read the posts, and i was all wrong: the cop here isn't the guy who escalated the ugliness, it was the guy i hailed as "right". shame on me. i blame society for this. and racism.
therefore, under recognized web law, my above argument is hereby invalid and not worthy of consideration; i lose the argument. cops aren't just normal people who took the job for the pensions: i hereby admit they're heroes.
maybe having to type that will teach me to double-check before i hit the frickin' "post" button.
therefore, under recognized web law, my above argument is hereby invalid and not worthy of consideration; i lose the argument. cops aren't just normal people who took the job for the pensions: i hereby admit they're heroes.
maybe having to type that will teach me to double-check before i hit the frickin' "post" button.
Posted by: larry at December 01, 2006 03:52 AM (ay0VS)
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Larry:
well, that's embarrassing.
just re-read the posts, and i was all wrong: the cop here isn't the guy
who escalated the ugliness, it was the guy i hailed as "right". shame
on me. i blame society for this. and racism.
No worries, Larry. We've all done it, and I didn't take it
personally. A simple error like that doesn't necessarily invalidate
your arguments, which you presented better than Jeff.
or are you lying about your cop experience, newguy?
That could be taken personally, and was totally unnecessary.
Jeff:
New Gay:
Ah... so now you're leveling that at me as an insult? So you're a homophobe too? This just gets better and better.
You are devoid of reason, and immune to logic. Sadly, I predicted you would right something this stupid.
Heh. Heh. Heheheheheh... *snort* stop.... just stop... you're killing me.
When a group of people commit a crime, there are always a larger number of cops able to go after them
Eventually... but not right away.
Maybe you can explain why hordes of cops show up for simple traffic pull overs if the first cops feel threatened.
The answer to that is contained within the question... thanks for saving me the effort.
While I was a clerk, the local police tried to trick me into selling beer to some squirrel in the explorer scouts... After all, if they were concerned about the safety of underaged drinkers, they wouldn't throw them in jail, would they?
It's called a sting operation. They were attempting to target the dealer instead of the user. Didn't you write:
Can you tell me why the police didn't arrest the drug dealer when he sold them the fucking drugs?
Yes... precisely. Isn't that what they're trying to do by sending an underage guy into a convenience store like yours? Targeting the dealer instead of the user... ask, and ye shall receive, Jeff.
If they don't like their jobs, they can feel free to quit... blah blah college degree... blah blah Iraq.... blah blah shut the fuck up.
Anyone who doesn't like their job can quit. If you don't like the pay, go back to school. Consider, however, that if you only offer low-pay, you'll get low-skilled workers. As any economist will tell you, there is no such thing as a labor shortage, only jobs where people are unwilling to pay sufficient wages to make them attractive. If you want better, and more-educated cops, be prepared to pay more.
You're cooking the books again with your labor statistics quote. You're
comparing total numbers instead of proportional numbers, you moron
Good Lord... do you not understand fatality rates? Those are proportional numbers, usually expressed per hundred thousand workers. You're starting to make be feel bad... it's like I'm beating up a child.
The study you pointed to isn't reputable at all
The numbers I cited come straight from the US Department of Labor... I admit it's not Parade magazine, but it's the best I could do.
Do they dress up like GI Joe or all in Black like the SS/Gestapo?
Ah... it's about time Godwin showed up.
Your problem is that you're fundamentally an immoral, unethical
apologist for vile policies and behaviour. You excuse every police
atrocity, and label anyone who criticizes them as a "Cop hater."
I have never excused racist, brutal, or corrupt behavior by police... if you'll reread my posts, you'll note that I specifically encouraged people to go to court on such issues. I dislike those kinds of officers even more than you do, because they make an already-hard job even harder for the good cops. Corrupt, racist, and brutal cops also give ammunition to smack-talking cop-haters like yourself. Don't want to be called a hater? Try engaging in some actual debate without the insults and stereotyping. "Shut the fuck up" does not qualify as debate.
You lie as badly as crooked cops do, but I don't believe for a minute
you were ever a cop. A real cop would have puffed his chest up and told
me what a tough guy he was supposed to be.
For my own part, I don't see the need for self-aggrandizing macho bullsh*t to prove one's manhood. It's interesting that you can't believe I was ever a cop because I don't fit your pejurious stereotype... ergo I must be a liar and a fraud. Talk about your self-serving and self-reinforcing positions...
well, that's embarrassing.
just re-read the posts, and i was all wrong: the cop here isn't the guy
who escalated the ugliness, it was the guy i hailed as "right". shame
on me. i blame society for this. and racism.
No worries, Larry. We've all done it, and I didn't take it
personally. A simple error like that doesn't necessarily invalidate
your arguments, which you presented better than Jeff.
or are you lying about your cop experience, newguy?
That could be taken personally, and was totally unnecessary.
Jeff:
New Gay:
Ah... so now you're leveling that at me as an insult? So you're a homophobe too? This just gets better and better.
You are devoid of reason, and immune to logic. Sadly, I predicted you would right something this stupid.
Heh. Heh. Heheheheheh... *snort* stop.... just stop... you're killing me.
When a group of people commit a crime, there are always a larger number of cops able to go after them
Eventually... but not right away.
Maybe you can explain why hordes of cops show up for simple traffic pull overs if the first cops feel threatened.
The answer to that is contained within the question... thanks for saving me the effort.
While I was a clerk, the local police tried to trick me into selling beer to some squirrel in the explorer scouts... After all, if they were concerned about the safety of underaged drinkers, they wouldn't throw them in jail, would they?
It's called a sting operation. They were attempting to target the dealer instead of the user. Didn't you write:
Can you tell me why the police didn't arrest the drug dealer when he sold them the fucking drugs?
Yes... precisely. Isn't that what they're trying to do by sending an underage guy into a convenience store like yours? Targeting the dealer instead of the user... ask, and ye shall receive, Jeff.
If they don't like their jobs, they can feel free to quit... blah blah college degree... blah blah Iraq.... blah blah shut the fuck up.
Anyone who doesn't like their job can quit. If you don't like the pay, go back to school. Consider, however, that if you only offer low-pay, you'll get low-skilled workers. As any economist will tell you, there is no such thing as a labor shortage, only jobs where people are unwilling to pay sufficient wages to make them attractive. If you want better, and more-educated cops, be prepared to pay more.
You're cooking the books again with your labor statistics quote. You're
comparing total numbers instead of proportional numbers, you moron
Good Lord... do you not understand fatality rates? Those are proportional numbers, usually expressed per hundred thousand workers. You're starting to make be feel bad... it's like I'm beating up a child.
The study you pointed to isn't reputable at all
The numbers I cited come straight from the US Department of Labor... I admit it's not Parade magazine, but it's the best I could do.
Do they dress up like GI Joe or all in Black like the SS/Gestapo?
Ah... it's about time Godwin showed up.
Your problem is that you're fundamentally an immoral, unethical
apologist for vile policies and behaviour. You excuse every police
atrocity, and label anyone who criticizes them as a "Cop hater."
I have never excused racist, brutal, or corrupt behavior by police... if you'll reread my posts, you'll note that I specifically encouraged people to go to court on such issues. I dislike those kinds of officers even more than you do, because they make an already-hard job even harder for the good cops. Corrupt, racist, and brutal cops also give ammunition to smack-talking cop-haters like yourself. Don't want to be called a hater? Try engaging in some actual debate without the insults and stereotyping. "Shut the fuck up" does not qualify as debate.
You lie as badly as crooked cops do, but I don't believe for a minute
you were ever a cop. A real cop would have puffed his chest up and told
me what a tough guy he was supposed to be.
For my own part, I don't see the need for self-aggrandizing macho bullsh*t to prove one's manhood. It's interesting that you can't believe I was ever a cop because I don't fit your pejurious stereotype... ergo I must be a liar and a fraud. Talk about your self-serving and self-reinforcing positions...
Posted by: TheNewGuy at December 01, 2006 10:31 AM (l7IRX)
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I think using the term "hate the cops" shows something. Only crooks hate the cops. Because one doesn't agree with the policies now taught police doesn't mean anyone hates them. I do think that the agressive behavior on many cops escalate situations that could have been settled without violence on either part. A drunk acts like a drunk. Because they may be argumentative doesn't mean they should have their heards busted open and charged with 14 other phoney charges. I have seen this happen. I believe cops are taught to be overly agressive under the guise of taking charge of a sitution. Sometimes this behavior may be necessary. But often it isn't. Some cops just have a God syndrome they can't control. I also detect a we and they attitude on the part of cops. Perhaps, a reaction to how they are treated. Most cops in my community don't last long when they take an overly agressive attitude. The ones who last, use their heads more than their nightsticks.
Secondly, why would anyone wish to be a cop? Only way you can make your fortune is to be a crooked cop. Stupid hours. (unless your a L.A. Ca. cop, they only work 3 days a week.) Low pay (if you have a brain) and dangerous. Has to be an ego trip. Maybe the excitement is the reason. Not enough for me.
Secondly, why would anyone wish to be a cop? Only way you can make your fortune is to be a crooked cop. Stupid hours. (unless your a L.A. Ca. cop, they only work 3 days a week.) Low pay (if you have a brain) and dangerous. Has to be an ego trip. Maybe the excitement is the reason. Not enough for me.
Posted by: Greyrooster at December 01, 2006 10:54 AM (uBw3u)
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Referring to comment #53. Problem is is that 99% of arrests are not people who would take the officers' gun, car, radio, taser, hangcuffs, etc: etc:. Why treat the 99% like the 1%? OVERKILL will come back to haunt the police. It's happening now in New Orleans. Did you know that on any given day 100 of the 1400 New Orleans cops are off work because of injuries received during arrests? Highest rate in the nation. Cops say it's because of the animals in the ghettos. Animals in the ghettos say they are sick of laying on the dirty ground without reason every time some cop desides to have some fun. Of course the black administation has nothing to say. Don't wish to upset the black majority voters or the white cops who will abandon ship and leave nothing but black cops who steal cadillacs and expensive watches during hurricanes. Perhaps there is no one answer.
Posted by: Greyrooster at December 01, 2006 11:07 AM (uBw3u)
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Hey! This post has been a good learning experience. Some thought provoking content. Wonder why?
Perhaps, it's because the social left (piddledick, John Ryan, and Greg) were not part of it. I've always been against banning. But?
Perhaps, it's because the social left (piddledick, John Ryan, and Greg) were not part of it. I've always been against banning. But?
Posted by: Greyrooster at December 01, 2006 11:10 AM (uBw3u)
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Because they may be argumentative doesn't mean they should have their
heards busted open and charged with 14 other phoney charges. I have
seen this happen
And in the bad-ole-days of police work, it happened a lot more... "contempt of cop" earned you a beatdown. However, as policing has become more of a career, and more departments are professionalizing and requiring college degrees, this is changing. Back in the 1960's, only 3 states even required training/academies to be a cop... now all 50 states do. Some departments now require degrees starting out, and an even greater percentage require degrees for advancement.
As I mentioned, if we want better/smarter and more-educated police, we have to offer incentives...and that means paying them. It's also probably not enough to pay them what an average college grad makes... they do specialized work that includes dealing with antisocial and dangerous people... there is significant risk . As you so adroitly pointed out, it's not enough for you, and you're right... only offering low pay will bring in people signing up for other reasons... some for dedication, but others for ego, power, ability to carry a gun, whatever.
Most cops in my community don't last long when they take an overly
agressive attitude. The ones who last, use their heads more than their
nightsticks
As I was warned in the academy, a cop can get into a fight every single day of his career if he doesn't watch his mouth. It's stupid, but true... and there are cops out there who do act that way. You can get a priest to swing at you if you bait him enough. Again, I think the bad old days are going away. Current academies teach verbal judo and similar techniques to defuse instead of escalate situations. It doesn't always work, but it does help. It's also a red flag for sergeants and lieutenants when an officer consistently gets into fights.
I think law enforcement is really changing for the better... one only has to look back a couple of decades to see how far we've really come.
heards busted open and charged with 14 other phoney charges. I have
seen this happen
And in the bad-ole-days of police work, it happened a lot more... "contempt of cop" earned you a beatdown. However, as policing has become more of a career, and more departments are professionalizing and requiring college degrees, this is changing. Back in the 1960's, only 3 states even required training/academies to be a cop... now all 50 states do. Some departments now require degrees starting out, and an even greater percentage require degrees for advancement.
As I mentioned, if we want better/smarter and more-educated police, we have to offer incentives...and that means paying them. It's also probably not enough to pay them what an average college grad makes... they do specialized work that includes dealing with antisocial and dangerous people... there is significant risk . As you so adroitly pointed out, it's not enough for you, and you're right... only offering low pay will bring in people signing up for other reasons... some for dedication, but others for ego, power, ability to carry a gun, whatever.
Most cops in my community don't last long when they take an overly
agressive attitude. The ones who last, use their heads more than their
nightsticks
As I was warned in the academy, a cop can get into a fight every single day of his career if he doesn't watch his mouth. It's stupid, but true... and there are cops out there who do act that way. You can get a priest to swing at you if you bait him enough. Again, I think the bad old days are going away. Current academies teach verbal judo and similar techniques to defuse instead of escalate situations. It doesn't always work, but it does help. It's also a red flag for sergeants and lieutenants when an officer consistently gets into fights.
I think law enforcement is really changing for the better... one only has to look back a couple of decades to see how far we've really come.
Posted by: TheNewGuy at December 01, 2006 11:23 AM (l7IRX)
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Ad on radio in New Orleans. The police dept is hiring. All required is an desire to help the community. Special signup bonuses for ex-officers and retired military. Does that sound like they are looking for college grads? What they are looking for is fools. New Orleans has had over 300 murders in the last 15 months and not one conviction. Give New Orleans a call if you wish to be in law enforcement. And that's a joke. It's not law enforcement. It's survival. Of course it's very racial and bigoted to mention that all the murderers and robbers are black. That's why I enjoy being a racist. We can tell the truth. And if you survive you will be known as a dishonest pig always on the take.
Forget this subject. Everyone is right and everyone is wrong. We live in a world where cops can't shoot at escaping crooks but will arrest a decent citizen for spanking his kids. Where cops feel they can beat a person into submission with clubs when there is 30 cops and only one arrestee. (Rodney King tapes) 30 cops couldn't handle one idiot? Where the cops will arrest you for carrying a pistol for family protection when it's needed. I would like to see a cop brave enough to walk certain areas of New Orleans without a gun. All it takes in one wrong turn in New Orleans, Miami or New York and you WILL be attacked by ghetto rats. Nothing will ever be accomplished until blame is put where it belongs and society does something about it. Good cops have my admiration. But they're still nuts.
Forget this subject. Everyone is right and everyone is wrong. We live in a world where cops can't shoot at escaping crooks but will arrest a decent citizen for spanking his kids. Where cops feel they can beat a person into submission with clubs when there is 30 cops and only one arrestee. (Rodney King tapes) 30 cops couldn't handle one idiot? Where the cops will arrest you for carrying a pistol for family protection when it's needed. I would like to see a cop brave enough to walk certain areas of New Orleans without a gun. All it takes in one wrong turn in New Orleans, Miami or New York and you WILL be attacked by ghetto rats. Nothing will ever be accomplished until blame is put where it belongs and society does something about it. Good cops have my admiration. But they're still nuts.
Posted by: Greyrooster at December 01, 2006 03:26 PM (18uRb)
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New Gay:
Let me begin by saying that a lying aplogist for predatory police behaviour and policies deserves the thrashing I gave you, complete with any profanity I chose to use. You earned it.
Only asswipes with no valid argument point out typos--especially when their own spell-checked grammar is less than perfect. It's a juvenile ploy used to deflect attention from a poor argument.
Addressing selected comments only, and employing pettifoggery are also signs of a failed argument.
"Eventually... but not right away."
No shit. This is what I mean about petifoggery. I thought you said cops needed to be armed like GI Joe because there were more criminals than crooks? Oh, that's right. You didn't count the criminals facing the cops, or even the criminals on the streets: you used the ones already locked up to support your ridiculous claim.
"The answer to that is contained within the question... thanks for saving me the effort."
I thought there were more criminals than cops? You've contradicted yourself again.
"It's called a sting operation. They were attempting to target the dealer instead of the user."
What dealer? I was a clerk in a convenience store, not a crack dealer, and I didn't sell beer to minors. There were no reports of clerks selling beer to minors from that store. The local cops went to every store in the city that sold beer. Their asinine "sting operation" failed to entrap me.
"Yes... precisely. Isn't that what they're trying to do by sending an underage guy into a convenience store like yours? Targeting the dealer instead of the user... ask, and ye shall receive, Jeff."
What the hell are you jabbering about? The cops claim they bought drugs at the house in question earlier in the day. Again, why didn't they arrest the dealer when he sold them the fucking drugs, instead of dressing up like Nazis and blowing away an old lady later that day?
"Anyone who doesn't like their job can quit."
So why don't they? I thought they were underpaid? If they were as amazingly talented as you claim they are, they would quit and take higher paying jobs. Unless they like shooting old women and tazering children too much to quit. Of course, you claim they aren't sadistic enough to get off on things like that.
Convenience store clerks not only have a higher fatality rate than cops, they are also killed in greater total numbers. No phony statistics can change these facts.
"Ah... it's about time Godwin showed up."
Ah, goon squads have a legitimate reason for dressing up like Nazis. Wearing camouflage fatigues in the city makes perfect sense. Sophomoric fantasies have nothing to do with it.
"I have never excused racist, brutal, or corrupt behavior by police..."
That's all you've been doing. The caveat that you don't was followed by line after line defending the failed policies and incompetence which plagues our police departments. You cant have it both ways. Remember what I wrote about you contradicting yourself?
"...smack-talking cop-haters like yourself. Don't want to be called a hater? Try engaging in some actual debate without the insults and stereotyping. 'Shut the fuck up' does not qualify as debate."
Here's what I really wrote: "You excuse every police atrocity, and label anyone who criticizes them as a "Cop hater." I'm an asshole hater, not a cop hater, and cops who shoots dogs and old ladies, or taser grannies, women and children are assholes." I also wrote:
"stop whining about payscales. Most cops are woefully uneducated, but they can make far more than someone with a college degree. They make a hell of a lot more than soldiers fighting in Iraq, so shut the fuck up." There's more than simple insults there, if you'd care to look.
"For my own part, I don't see the need for self-aggrandizing macho bullsh*t to prove one's manhood."
That's why I doubt you were a cop. When I pointed out that you're a liar, I was mostly referring to your distortions and fabrications about law enforcement. Distortions and fabrications that I have refuted one after the other.
Let me begin by saying that a lying aplogist for predatory police behaviour and policies deserves the thrashing I gave you, complete with any profanity I chose to use. You earned it.
Only asswipes with no valid argument point out typos--especially when their own spell-checked grammar is less than perfect. It's a juvenile ploy used to deflect attention from a poor argument.
Addressing selected comments only, and employing pettifoggery are also signs of a failed argument.
"Eventually... but not right away."
No shit. This is what I mean about petifoggery. I thought you said cops needed to be armed like GI Joe because there were more criminals than crooks? Oh, that's right. You didn't count the criminals facing the cops, or even the criminals on the streets: you used the ones already locked up to support your ridiculous claim.
"The answer to that is contained within the question... thanks for saving me the effort."
I thought there were more criminals than cops? You've contradicted yourself again.
"It's called a sting operation. They were attempting to target the dealer instead of the user."
What dealer? I was a clerk in a convenience store, not a crack dealer, and I didn't sell beer to minors. There were no reports of clerks selling beer to minors from that store. The local cops went to every store in the city that sold beer. Their asinine "sting operation" failed to entrap me.
"Yes... precisely. Isn't that what they're trying to do by sending an underage guy into a convenience store like yours? Targeting the dealer instead of the user... ask, and ye shall receive, Jeff."
What the hell are you jabbering about? The cops claim they bought drugs at the house in question earlier in the day. Again, why didn't they arrest the dealer when he sold them the fucking drugs, instead of dressing up like Nazis and blowing away an old lady later that day?
"Anyone who doesn't like their job can quit."
So why don't they? I thought they were underpaid? If they were as amazingly talented as you claim they are, they would quit and take higher paying jobs. Unless they like shooting old women and tazering children too much to quit. Of course, you claim they aren't sadistic enough to get off on things like that.
Convenience store clerks not only have a higher fatality rate than cops, they are also killed in greater total numbers. No phony statistics can change these facts.
"Ah... it's about time Godwin showed up."
Ah, goon squads have a legitimate reason for dressing up like Nazis. Wearing camouflage fatigues in the city makes perfect sense. Sophomoric fantasies have nothing to do with it.
"I have never excused racist, brutal, or corrupt behavior by police..."
That's all you've been doing. The caveat that you don't was followed by line after line defending the failed policies and incompetence which plagues our police departments. You cant have it both ways. Remember what I wrote about you contradicting yourself?
"...smack-talking cop-haters like yourself. Don't want to be called a hater? Try engaging in some actual debate without the insults and stereotyping. 'Shut the fuck up' does not qualify as debate."
Here's what I really wrote: "You excuse every police atrocity, and label anyone who criticizes them as a "Cop hater." I'm an asshole hater, not a cop hater, and cops who shoots dogs and old ladies, or taser grannies, women and children are assholes." I also wrote:
"stop whining about payscales. Most cops are woefully uneducated, but they can make far more than someone with a college degree. They make a hell of a lot more than soldiers fighting in Iraq, so shut the fuck up." There's more than simple insults there, if you'd care to look.
"For my own part, I don't see the need for self-aggrandizing macho bullsh*t to prove one's manhood."
That's why I doubt you were a cop. When I pointed out that you're a liar, I was mostly referring to your distortions and fabrications about law enforcement. Distortions and fabrications that I have refuted one after the other.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 02, 2006 02:09 AM (bLPT+)
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i know i'm getting to this too late, but. have read all the posts, lots to think about. the worrisome thing to me is i notice the anti-cop guys make reference to cops shooting dogs as a matter of policy. then the pro-cop faction says something like 'have to, for officer safety.' maybe it's me - maybe it's because i'm a SOB and like dogs better than people - but it sure seems like that's a surefire way to escalate a tricky situation into one guaranteeing a gunfight, if there's a dog lover inside. if anyone - anyone - shoots my dogs, god help them if i see them before they see me. i would guess there's a lot of people who might feel the same way. i have read that at waco, the atf shot the davidians dogs first thing, right off the bat. making it even worse, i've read those dogs were penned. a mama dog and her 4 pups, safely penned, were killed. can't see why that was necessary, no matter how hard i try. and then the people inside mt carmel opened up on the brave puppy killers, cutting them to ribbons, ive read. wonder why?
waco was 1993. according to these comments section, it looks like the cops are still killing dogs. after all that, i wonder is it more about "procedure" or "provocation"? killing dogs or puppies on a whim strikes me as pretty good evidence that cops have become overmilitarized. if a dog is seen as just an bothersome object to be killed, it's not too much of a leap for a person to be seen as one also.
waco was 1993. according to these comments section, it looks like the cops are still killing dogs. after all that, i wonder is it more about "procedure" or "provocation"? killing dogs or puppies on a whim strikes me as pretty good evidence that cops have become overmilitarized. if a dog is seen as just an bothersome object to be killed, it's not too much of a leap for a person to be seen as one also.
Posted by: quintus at December 02, 2006 06:36 AM (pbODi)
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My opinion after reading down.
I mentioned that we don't have a lot of shootouts in my area.
Statistically every household in my state has a rifle that can kill through level 2 balistic protection, so the police here are absolutely outgunned. Some residences still have TNT left over from blowing stumps. So the locals have explosives. Sometimes the locals have C-4, and customized .50 cal rifles which make level 3 protection useless.
Some of the guys posting here make it sound like you should give the cops tanks, etc, in such an enviroment. Wrong! The cops here don't get into a lot of shootouts because they know the people, and they know their enviroment.
If your in a standoff at the edge of some property, and the guy in the house has a .50 cal rifle, don't try and use your car as a barrier. At most, it just makes you less visible.
How does a local officer reduce risk, and resolve situations? Training. Not 'how good is my shooting', but rather 'how sharp is my brain'.
I've mentioned elsewhere that you don't tick off the cops in a small town. That is because they know how to find you, they know what you drive, etc. You can have a shootout if you want, heck, you can kill some cops! But you won't get far.
Cops in the big communities apparently get by not knowing their own area, or the people in it. Shootouts are apparently more common, even though they apply more government gun control in those kinds of places. It makes you wonder a little bit.
We had a guy in a standoff out here, who had a machine gun (media description) and they got him without firing a shot.
I believe in my local cops because I've seen their work, and they are not thugs. I was in a French class with the current chief of police, and he is a responsible guy. I even applied to the local force once, because I wanted to help my community, and an opportunity presented itself. I hate meth labs.
A better qualified applicant got the position.
I don't really trust cops in big communities I've visited. They act funny to me, and I believe there is a different mindset. I think that is the problem. Feds arent locals, and in big towns, the cops themselves aren't 'local', so they are in a 'hostile territory' mindset.
And the ATF is a sin against the American people for existing, so they are in hostile territory anywhere on US soil. My opinion.
So the real answer is to train your cops to serve in their own familiar areas, and to treat whatever area they are in as if it was their community, and their people. Then so what if the locals have truck killing personal ordinance. The cops won't have to face it, anyway.
Government buy the people, not over the people.
USA all the way.
I mentioned that we don't have a lot of shootouts in my area.
Statistically every household in my state has a rifle that can kill through level 2 balistic protection, so the police here are absolutely outgunned. Some residences still have TNT left over from blowing stumps. So the locals have explosives. Sometimes the locals have C-4, and customized .50 cal rifles which make level 3 protection useless.
Some of the guys posting here make it sound like you should give the cops tanks, etc, in such an enviroment. Wrong! The cops here don't get into a lot of shootouts because they know the people, and they know their enviroment.
If your in a standoff at the edge of some property, and the guy in the house has a .50 cal rifle, don't try and use your car as a barrier. At most, it just makes you less visible.
How does a local officer reduce risk, and resolve situations? Training. Not 'how good is my shooting', but rather 'how sharp is my brain'.
I've mentioned elsewhere that you don't tick off the cops in a small town. That is because they know how to find you, they know what you drive, etc. You can have a shootout if you want, heck, you can kill some cops! But you won't get far.
Cops in the big communities apparently get by not knowing their own area, or the people in it. Shootouts are apparently more common, even though they apply more government gun control in those kinds of places. It makes you wonder a little bit.
We had a guy in a standoff out here, who had a machine gun (media description) and they got him without firing a shot.
I believe in my local cops because I've seen their work, and they are not thugs. I was in a French class with the current chief of police, and he is a responsible guy. I even applied to the local force once, because I wanted to help my community, and an opportunity presented itself. I hate meth labs.
A better qualified applicant got the position.
I don't really trust cops in big communities I've visited. They act funny to me, and I believe there is a different mindset. I think that is the problem. Feds arent locals, and in big towns, the cops themselves aren't 'local', so they are in a 'hostile territory' mindset.
And the ATF is a sin against the American people for existing, so they are in hostile territory anywhere on US soil. My opinion.
So the real answer is to train your cops to serve in their own familiar areas, and to treat whatever area they are in as if it was their community, and their people. Then so what if the locals have truck killing personal ordinance. The cops won't have to face it, anyway.
Government buy the people, not over the people.
USA all the way.
Posted by: Michael Weaver at December 02, 2006 02:05 PM (2OHpj)
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Oh yeah,
When I applied for the police position, it paid way more than I could make with only a partial college education, so I think some of the above "STFU" arguments where cops make more than soldiers, are valid.
Anyway, I've seen my police operate (once from the front passenger side of the patrol car) and I trust mine. They are good people. But I don't live in LA, or New Orleans either. I keep thinking that it's a significant point.
USA all the way!
When I applied for the police position, it paid way more than I could make with only a partial college education, so I think some of the above "STFU" arguments where cops make more than soldiers, are valid.
Anyway, I've seen my police operate (once from the front passenger side of the patrol car) and I trust mine. They are good people. But I don't live in LA, or New Orleans either. I keep thinking that it's a significant point.
USA all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at December 02, 2006 02:21 PM (2OHpj)
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On a related note:
Any police officer who is not a staunch defender of the Second Amendment is either corrupt as hell, or fooling themselves. No exceptions.
NOPD and 9/11 are the only proof needed.
As Kim duToit puts it, the cop's job in the aftermath of a properly-finished goblin attack is to call in a meat wagon for the goblin carcass and take my statement.
Any police officer who is not a staunch defender of the Second Amendment is either corrupt as hell, or fooling themselves. No exceptions.
NOPD and 9/11 are the only proof needed.
As Kim duToit puts it, the cop's job in the aftermath of a properly-finished goblin attack is to call in a meat wagon for the goblin carcass and take my statement.
Posted by: MegaTroopX at December 02, 2006 05:42 PM (v5fbO)
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Michael Weaver:
You're right. Smaller communities are different. Big cities want their police officers to live far outside of the cities and communities they work in. Us vs. them.
Smaller communities are the only real parts of America left. The Founding Fathers would be appalled at the state of large police departments. They wrote a Constitution to prevent the kinds of abuses against the public we're seeing now.
The soulless commenters defending police excess on this thread have no honor, and they don't deserve to live in this country. Lenin and Stalin would have loved them, though. Useful idiots.
You're right. Smaller communities are different. Big cities want their police officers to live far outside of the cities and communities they work in. Us vs. them.
Smaller communities are the only real parts of America left. The Founding Fathers would be appalled at the state of large police departments. They wrote a Constitution to prevent the kinds of abuses against the public we're seeing now.
The soulless commenters defending police excess on this thread have no honor, and they don't deserve to live in this country. Lenin and Stalin would have loved them, though. Useful idiots.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 03, 2006 12:34 AM (bLPT+)
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Jeff:
People like Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn would be appalled by people that compare the United States Police to the likes of the Cheka, and Stalin too.
People like Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn would be appalled by people that compare the United States Police to the likes of the Cheka, and Stalin too.
Posted by: davec at December 03, 2006 09:20 AM (yaQM4)
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Davec:
I did not compare the police to the Cheka or Stalin. I wrote quite clearly that Lenin and Stalin would've loved the useful idiots here who defend police excess. They would've. They "loved" the useful idiots in Russia too, and we all know what happened to them.
I didn't consider you one of those idiots, but you obviously misread what I wrote. I'd hate to think you were an apologist like Mayberry or New Gay.
I did not compare the police to the Cheka or Stalin. I wrote quite clearly that Lenin and Stalin would've loved the useful idiots here who defend police excess. They would've. They "loved" the useful idiots in Russia too, and we all know what happened to them.
I didn't consider you one of those idiots, but you obviously misread what I wrote. I'd hate to think you were an apologist like Mayberry or New Gay.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 03, 2006 10:29 PM (bLPT+)
November 26, 2006
Police Take Down Another Dangerous Grandma
Yet another wrong house no-knock raid on another elderly woman's house.
At least they didn't kill this one...
h/t : Glenn
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With all due respect, it has not been confirmed that the Atlanta
shooting was a "wrong house" incident. At least not to my
knowledge. I can't find any new news on it. It's more than
possible that her son or grandson has been dealing drugs out of her
house. Happens all the time.
shooting was a "wrong house" incident. At least not to my
knowledge. I can't find any new news on it. It's more than
possible that her son or grandson has been dealing drugs out of her
house. Happens all the time.
Posted by: Oyster at November 26, 2006 06:35 AM (YudAC)
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The team was looking for 24-year-old Reginaldo Ramirez, who lives next door to (Mrs.) Silva.
Yeah, happens all the time. You know how "those" people are.
Yeah, happens all the time. You know how "those" people are.
Posted by: Fuck R You Dumb at November 26, 2006 10:13 AM (a7sMc)
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The war on grandmothers has to stop. We have spent trillions on the war
on drugs and to what effect. We have pretty much the same drug usage
rate as places that have decriminalized. We have the highest rate of
incarceration in the developed world.
on drugs and to what effect. We have pretty much the same drug usage
rate as places that have decriminalized. We have the highest rate of
incarceration in the developed world.
Posted by: Randman at November 26, 2006 10:33 AM (Sal3J)
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You would think that if a Judge was to sign a 'No knock' warrant to enter a location he would want verification other than just the District Attorney's word that the address is where a suspect resides.
Judicial oversight exists for a reason, without the signature of a judge these warrants could not be executed, the sheer volume of the warrants is most likely leading to judges 'rubber stamping' the requests.
Misuse, and mistaken addresses can cost people their lives, therefore judges should be taking their 'stroke of a pen' actions seriously.
Judicial oversight exists for a reason, without the signature of a judge these warrants could not be executed, the sheer volume of the warrants is most likely leading to judges 'rubber stamping' the requests.
Misuse, and mistaken addresses can cost people their lives, therefore judges should be taking their 'stroke of a pen' actions seriously.
Posted by: davec at November 26, 2006 12:57 PM (QkWqQ)
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While the left moans about the non-existent loss of civil liberties and suspension of habeus corpus due to the Patriot Act, atrocities like grandma hunting go ignored on a daily basis--and they've been ignored by the "progressives" for decades.
The left even fields assholes like Oyster who try to defend this thuggery and blame anyone else but the perpetrators. He'd by crying a different tune if they kicked his auntie's door down and pig-piled on him.
I know from experience that judges issue warrants thoughtlessly on the flimsiest of... ahem...unwarranted accusations. Anyone feeling spiteful can send the goon squad crashing through his neighbor's door with an anonymous call accusing them of drug manufacturing, child molestation, etc. Women can have men thrown in jail for looking at them cross eyed.
Judges tend to be crooked, and they aren't hindered by any kind of oversight whatsoever. These failed lawyers are the last people in the world (after the cops,) who should be making decisions on midnight assaults against the public, much less national security matters such as searches of terrorist hideouts without notification.
Worst of all, police departments never own up to their mistakes, even when victims successfully sue
them for damages. There is no recourse against crooked judges and prosecutors. Just ask the real victims in the Duke lacrosse rape hoax.
The left even fields assholes like Oyster who try to defend this thuggery and blame anyone else but the perpetrators. He'd by crying a different tune if they kicked his auntie's door down and pig-piled on him.
I know from experience that judges issue warrants thoughtlessly on the flimsiest of... ahem...unwarranted accusations. Anyone feeling spiteful can send the goon squad crashing through his neighbor's door with an anonymous call accusing them of drug manufacturing, child molestation, etc. Women can have men thrown in jail for looking at them cross eyed.
Judges tend to be crooked, and they aren't hindered by any kind of oversight whatsoever. These failed lawyers are the last people in the world (after the cops,) who should be making decisions on midnight assaults against the public, much less national security matters such as searches of terrorist hideouts without notification.
Worst of all, police departments never own up to their mistakes, even when victims successfully sue
them for damages. There is no recourse against crooked judges and prosecutors. Just ask the real victims in the Duke lacrosse rape hoax.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 26, 2006 03:21 PM (bLPT+)
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I've been a little confused over the "wrong house" accusations over the Atlanta incident. I read this earlier this week. I think the link was on Drudge. http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/462/woman_92_shot_by_atlanta_police_in_drug_raid
Posted by: Maureen at November 26, 2006 04:19 PM (+Yj3l)
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I've been a bit confused over all the "wrong house" talk about the Atlanta incident. I saw this link at Drudge earlier this week:
stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/462/woman_92_shot_by_atlanta_police_in_drug_raid
stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/462/woman_92_shot_by_atlanta_police_in_drug_raid
Posted by: Maureen at November 26, 2006 04:21 PM (+Yj3l)
Posted by: davec at November 26, 2006 04:44 PM (QkWqQ)
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Hey Jeff the Uninformed,
The cops bought drugs at Grandma's house before they got the warrant. Also drugs were found in the house. Back off Oyster jackass and read more than daily kos or the AJC for your facts. If you want to be pissed off at APD then fine just keep in mind the chief is black and the mayor is black. This is not a Evil White man in Power situation. This is a poorly executed police operation where plain clothed operatives executed a warrant. Personally I would have done the same thing each side did. If three asshats knocked on my door and kicked it in I would have opened up too. Also if I had a warrant and executed it then came under fire, I would have fired back as well.
And Ragnar, spend time in Atlanta before you try busting on the varied types of morons we produce.
The cops bought drugs at Grandma's house before they got the warrant. Also drugs were found in the house. Back off Oyster jackass and read more than daily kos or the AJC for your facts. If you want to be pissed off at APD then fine just keep in mind the chief is black and the mayor is black. This is not a Evil White man in Power situation. This is a poorly executed police operation where plain clothed operatives executed a warrant. Personally I would have done the same thing each side did. If three asshats knocked on my door and kicked it in I would have opened up too. Also if I had a warrant and executed it then came under fire, I would have fired back as well.
And Ragnar, spend time in Atlanta before you try busting on the varied types of morons we produce.
Posted by: SeeMonk at November 26, 2006 05:05 PM (n4VvM)
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Davec:
After reading some of her other comments, I realize I was wrong about Oyster. (Sorry, Oyster!) However, her comment was so idiotically complacent, and even defensive of the criminal excess of our so called "criminal justice" system, that I mistook her for a leftist. Her comments are characteristically rational and reasoned, so this one surprised me.
She's not the only American unaware of the secret war the Criminally Unjust System is waging against John Q.
After reading some of her other comments, I realize I was wrong about Oyster. (Sorry, Oyster!) However, her comment was so idiotically complacent, and even defensive of the criminal excess of our so called "criminal justice" system, that I mistook her for a leftist. Her comments are characteristically rational and reasoned, so this one surprised me.
She's not the only American unaware of the secret war the Criminally Unjust System is waging against John Q.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 26, 2006 05:31 PM (bLPT+)
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Hey Seemonk the hypocritical, if you think I'm a leftist you have a reading comprehension problem. Back off and pull your head out of your ass. A knockless warrant is never necessary, and there's no excuse for using Gestapo--that's right, i wote Gestapo--tactics against an old woman.
Drug dealers can easily and safely be arrested as they leave their residences, thus avoiding any danger to the innocent, as this grandmother clearly was.
There is no excuse for dickless cops dressing up in camoflauge fatigues like baby Rambos and terrorizing old women while they tear up their houses.
Oh, wait. The Cheif of Police and the Mayor of Atlanta (shit-hole,) are Black. That makes it O.K. then.
Fuck you, asshole.
Drug dealers can easily and safely be arrested as they leave their residences, thus avoiding any danger to the innocent, as this grandmother clearly was.
There is no excuse for dickless cops dressing up in camoflauge fatigues like baby Rambos and terrorizing old women while they tear up their houses.
Oh, wait. The Cheif of Police and the Mayor of Atlanta (shit-hole,) are Black. That makes it O.K. then.
Fuck you, asshole.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 26, 2006 05:39 PM (bLPT+)
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P.S.,
When the police think a suspect actually is armed and dangerous, they prefer to nab them outdoors, because it's safer for everyone involved--although their own safety is their only real concern. Raiding a home that may have an armed suspect holed up inside is the height of stupidity, and it's rarely done.
Knockless warrants are an excuse to increase department budgets and act out sophomoric fantasies of "manly" heroism. It is the work of corrupt cowards.
There is absolutely no excuse for this kind of wimpy, "poorly executed police operation." That's why defending it is so despicable. This operation wasn't simply poorly executed, it was poorly conceived, authorized, and reviewed.
The police chief and his camouflaged cronies should be in jail. Why do these "urban assault team" morons wear camo in the city, anyway? Other than to indulge their sophomoric power fantasies, of course.
When the police think a suspect actually is armed and dangerous, they prefer to nab them outdoors, because it's safer for everyone involved--although their own safety is their only real concern. Raiding a home that may have an armed suspect holed up inside is the height of stupidity, and it's rarely done.
Knockless warrants are an excuse to increase department budgets and act out sophomoric fantasies of "manly" heroism. It is the work of corrupt cowards.
There is absolutely no excuse for this kind of wimpy, "poorly executed police operation." That's why defending it is so despicable. This operation wasn't simply poorly executed, it was poorly conceived, authorized, and reviewed.
The police chief and his camouflaged cronies should be in jail. Why do these "urban assault team" morons wear camo in the city, anyway? Other than to indulge their sophomoric power fantasies, of course.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 26, 2006 06:02 PM (bLPT+)
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Jeff--I can't say I disagree with anything you've said in the above statements.
I just don't like you.
SeeMonk's a regular here. You're not. So why don't you go back to
Little Green Footballs or wherever the hell you came from. And don't
let the door hit your big ass on the way out.
I just don't like you.
SeeMonk's a regular here. You're not. So why don't you go back to
Little Green Footballs or wherever the hell you came from. And don't
let the door hit your big ass on the way out.
Posted by: HankHardy at November 26, 2006 06:21 PM (a7sMc)
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SeeMonk sez:
And Ragnar, spend time in Atlanta before you try busting on the varied types of morons we produce.
SeeMonk -
Please elaborate.
And Ragnar, spend time in Atlanta before you try busting on the varied types of morons we produce.
SeeMonk -
Please elaborate.
Posted by: The All-Seeing Pirate Ragnar at November 26, 2006 06:54 PM (sUJHi)
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HankHardly:
This isn't a circle jerking club. If you don't like my comments about See Monk's misplaced faith in the criminal justice system, or my retaliation for his idiotic attack, you can feel free to leave. If you don't care for debate, or you're just plain afraid of it, you shouldn't be commenting on a blog like this anyway. I don't give a shit who you like or dislike, because you're an obvious asshole and a moron. Just keep stroking Spank Monkey and keep your hands away from my crotch. Keep your obsession with men's fat asses to yourself.
I don't like you, punk.
This isn't a circle jerking club. If you don't like my comments about See Monk's misplaced faith in the criminal justice system, or my retaliation for his idiotic attack, you can feel free to leave. If you don't care for debate, or you're just plain afraid of it, you shouldn't be commenting on a blog like this anyway. I don't give a shit who you like or dislike, because you're an obvious asshole and a moron. Just keep stroking Spank Monkey and keep your hands away from my crotch. Keep your obsession with men's fat asses to yourself.
I don't like you, punk.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 26, 2006 07:47 PM (bLPT+)
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P.S., You write like a woman. Why the manly screen name? Are you gender confused? Why the freakish dishonesty?
Asswipe.
Asswipe.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 26, 2006 07:50 PM (bLPT+)
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Fuck yourself Jeff--go back to the Autonomist where cop haters and tin-foil hats like yourself thrive while searching the sky for black copters. This blog is for people who can think.
Posted by: HankHardy at November 26, 2006 08:13 PM (a7sMc)
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Jeff is the type who likes to cast the first stone. Nevermind the fact he doesn't live in the neighborhood where the event took place. Nevermind the fact he has never seen it. There are places in Atlanta that are under seige by people dealing Meth where lots of gradparents live. They are full of section 8 rentals occupied by people who don't give a crap about anything except themselves. That is why a 92 year old woman is dead. Who was looking out for her the time leading up to the shooting? Not the guy selling drugs out of her home. Not Jeff or any of his reactionary anarchist pals either. The fact of the matter is there are parts of Atlanta that are like Baghdad when it comes to the laws of the jungle. Ask the Mayor about that. Ask John lewis and Dexter King.
Posted by: SeeMonk at November 26, 2006 09:49 PM (n4VvM)
Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at November 26, 2006 10:07 PM (2bJJN)
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Guys like Jeff are the type who have the luxury of living in Bum-Fuck Egypt somewhere where drugs are sold twice a year and are therefor able to cast their dispersions from a safe distance. Typical hypocrite.
Nobody advocates the death of an innocent 22-, 42-, 72- or 92-year-old woman at the hands of police and an investigation should follow; even by an outside agency if need be. And if heads roll, so be it.
But when the public clamors for results, results, results, and safety, safety, safety, from an overwhelmed police force, they typically don't give two shits about how they get it -- until something like this happens. Then it's outrage.
You can be sure if somebody farted sideways on Jeff's block, he'd be crying like a child for police protection. But until then, he's leading the lynching.
Nobody advocates the death of an innocent 22-, 42-, 72- or 92-year-old woman at the hands of police and an investigation should follow; even by an outside agency if need be. And if heads roll, so be it.
But when the public clamors for results, results, results, and safety, safety, safety, from an overwhelmed police force, they typically don't give two shits about how they get it -- until something like this happens. Then it's outrage.
You can be sure if somebody farted sideways on Jeff's block, he'd be crying like a child for police protection. But until then, he's leading the lynching.
Posted by: HankHardy at November 26, 2006 10:17 PM (a7sMc)
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Guys -
The question at hand isn't whether or not we should have cops or whether or not they should do their job. Those are strawmen. There's no necessary dichotomy between chaos in the streets and dead grandmas. I'm all for cops who are aggressive about stopping crime.
This is about the very specific law enforcement technique of the no-knock warrant, and even more specifically the plainclothes no-knock warrant. The facts of every no-knock gone bad are different, but most result from a lack of adequate investigation and/or sloppiness on somebody's part.
No-knock warrants have their place in the law enforcement bag of tricks. They should, however, be rare and be subjected to strict scrutiny by the judge--or maybe even a panel of judges--before they're issued.
Further, the authorities should be held liable for any damage, injury and death occurring as a result of an improper no-knock raid.
Alternately, we could send our elected officials back to Econ 101 for a semester, so they can understand why prohibition is doomed to failure...
I imagine I'll get in trouble for that one... ;-)
The question at hand isn't whether or not we should have cops or whether or not they should do their job. Those are strawmen. There's no necessary dichotomy between chaos in the streets and dead grandmas. I'm all for cops who are aggressive about stopping crime.
This is about the very specific law enforcement technique of the no-knock warrant, and even more specifically the plainclothes no-knock warrant. The facts of every no-knock gone bad are different, but most result from a lack of adequate investigation and/or sloppiness on somebody's part.
No-knock warrants have their place in the law enforcement bag of tricks. They should, however, be rare and be subjected to strict scrutiny by the judge--or maybe even a panel of judges--before they're issued.
Further, the authorities should be held liable for any damage, injury and death occurring as a result of an improper no-knock raid.
Alternately, we could send our elected officials back to Econ 101 for a semester, so they can understand why prohibition is doomed to failure...
I imagine I'll get in trouble for that one... ;-)
Posted by: Ragnar, the All-Seeing Pirate at November 26, 2006 11:26 PM (74U3S)
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BTW, Hank, I, for one, don't live in BumFuck Egypt.
I live in a city. A city where I've been beaten unconscious and had my home ransacked by thieves. In other words, I have more personal experience with crime than most.
At the same time, I've had friends who've been victims of this type of mistaken identity commando-style raid. I've also been forcibly removed from a premises by the police for no good reason.
If you've never been on the receiving end of police power, you speak without a full perspective on this subject. I'm not saying that as an insult. It's just a fact.
There are a whole lot of good, smart, hardworking cops in the world. I thank God for what they do and the professional way they do it. At the same time, there's also a share of cops that don't meet that description. Unfortunately, we have to account for that fact in our law enforcement policies.
I live in a city. A city where I've been beaten unconscious and had my home ransacked by thieves. In other words, I have more personal experience with crime than most.
At the same time, I've had friends who've been victims of this type of mistaken identity commando-style raid. I've also been forcibly removed from a premises by the police for no good reason.
If you've never been on the receiving end of police power, you speak without a full perspective on this subject. I'm not saying that as an insult. It's just a fact.
There are a whole lot of good, smart, hardworking cops in the world. I thank God for what they do and the professional way they do it. At the same time, there's also a share of cops that don't meet that description. Unfortunately, we have to account for that fact in our law enforcement policies.
Posted by: Ragnar, the All-Seeing Pirate at November 26, 2006 11:46 PM (rM3gY)
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Jeff shows the difference between the right and left. We still love you Oyster.
Posted by: Greyrooster at November 26, 2006 11:53 PM (aghaS)
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Hank Hardly:
It takes a real asshole to distort my truthful observations about problems with the American criminal justice system into a lie about hating all cops, which would include my kid sister and brother in law. But then, acting like a priggish asshole is all I've seen you do on this blog, so I assume its your only talent. You sure haven't shown the ability to think.
As far as where I live goes, I've lived in Detroit, LA, Seattle, and Milwakee. Here in Omaha i've seen people selling crack in the street on multiple occasions. Where do you live? Belltown Seattle? The crime rate there is virtually nonexistant, and consists mainly of drunk in public charges. Ooohh, the scary mean streets.
Nothing excuses abuse of power by our paid civil servants, especially not your ass-licking drivel to the contrary.
What "overwhelmed" police force are you talking about? Urban assault teams are better armed than the Navy fucking SEALS, you raging ignoramus. Police budgets in most cities are through the roof. Cops blow away criminals regularly (boo hoo,) but a convenience store clerk has a far more dangerous job than the police do, with a far higher fatality rate.
I'm so sick of stupid lying cocksuckers like you who try to mischaracterize police work as thankless, horribly dangerous, and running on shoe-string budgets. The exact opposite is true. There's a reason that police departments have state of the art equipment and generous early retirement benefits. TV is filled with shows glorifying police officers.
Anyone who condones the terrorizing of old women is a worthless, piece of shit reprobate. Anyone who thinks the cowards who did this are decent human beings deserving of our respect and admiration, is the one who really wears a tinfoil hat.
Its no secret that most of the Military commandos who train America's S.W.A.T. and other urban assault teams hold the people they train in contempt as cowards, thugs, and bullies. These teams are trained to face terrorists and hostage situations, but they're used mainly to kick people's doors in.
I don't rely on police protection because that's not their job, and they have a poor track record when it comes to doing so. It's their job to enforce the law. They show up when the crime is over--usually long after it's over.
Why would I need someone less capable than myself for protection? Nearly half of the cops in this country are fat women. I can shoot straight and I don't need a gun or a phony screen name to protect myself.
You can lie about what I wrote all you want. That's your forte. My words are still here in black and white to prove you're a lying little weasel. You still haven't said why you pretend to be a man, and I haven't been kicked off this blog.
Fuck you, cunt.
It takes a real asshole to distort my truthful observations about problems with the American criminal justice system into a lie about hating all cops, which would include my kid sister and brother in law. But then, acting like a priggish asshole is all I've seen you do on this blog, so I assume its your only talent. You sure haven't shown the ability to think.
As far as where I live goes, I've lived in Detroit, LA, Seattle, and Milwakee. Here in Omaha i've seen people selling crack in the street on multiple occasions. Where do you live? Belltown Seattle? The crime rate there is virtually nonexistant, and consists mainly of drunk in public charges. Ooohh, the scary mean streets.
Nothing excuses abuse of power by our paid civil servants, especially not your ass-licking drivel to the contrary.
What "overwhelmed" police force are you talking about? Urban assault teams are better armed than the Navy fucking SEALS, you raging ignoramus. Police budgets in most cities are through the roof. Cops blow away criminals regularly (boo hoo,) but a convenience store clerk has a far more dangerous job than the police do, with a far higher fatality rate.
I'm so sick of stupid lying cocksuckers like you who try to mischaracterize police work as thankless, horribly dangerous, and running on shoe-string budgets. The exact opposite is true. There's a reason that police departments have state of the art equipment and generous early retirement benefits. TV is filled with shows glorifying police officers.
Anyone who condones the terrorizing of old women is a worthless, piece of shit reprobate. Anyone who thinks the cowards who did this are decent human beings deserving of our respect and admiration, is the one who really wears a tinfoil hat.
Its no secret that most of the Military commandos who train America's S.W.A.T. and other urban assault teams hold the people they train in contempt as cowards, thugs, and bullies. These teams are trained to face terrorists and hostage situations, but they're used mainly to kick people's doors in.
I don't rely on police protection because that's not their job, and they have a poor track record when it comes to doing so. It's their job to enforce the law. They show up when the crime is over--usually long after it's over.
Why would I need someone less capable than myself for protection? Nearly half of the cops in this country are fat women. I can shoot straight and I don't need a gun or a phony screen name to protect myself.
You can lie about what I wrote all you want. That's your forte. My words are still here in black and white to prove you're a lying little weasel. You still haven't said why you pretend to be a man, and I haven't been kicked off this blog.
Fuck you, cunt.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 26, 2006 11:55 PM (bLPT+)
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Christ Seemonk: Why not put the blame where it belongs.
The Blacks. Imcompetent black government elected simply because they are black. The fact that they can't read a newspaper has nothing to do with it. Same as New Orleans. Only worse here. No African government is worth a shit. If I'm wrong I'm sure some lefturd liberal will show me where. Ha.
The Blacks. Imcompetent black government elected simply because they are black. The fact that they can't read a newspaper has nothing to do with it. Same as New Orleans. Only worse here. No African government is worth a shit. If I'm wrong I'm sure some lefturd liberal will show me where. Ha.
Posted by: Greyrooster at November 26, 2006 11:59 PM (aghaS)
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SpankMonkey:
You attack me and then accuse me of casting the first stone. Who do you think you are with this "first stone" nonsense, anyway? Jesus?
Using the first hand knowledge argument is juvenile. I can tell you the surface and core temperature of the sun, even though I've never been there in person. I don't need to travel to grandma's house in Atlanta--someplace you've never been either--to know that those cops screwed up in a major way, and that their standard operating procedure resulted in an old woman's death.
Who was looking out for the old woman? Now you're going to blame me and her family for her death at the hands of gung ho retard cops? Just because you failed logic 101 doesn't mean the rest of us did.
You and your special needs pals defended the indefensible actions of these dickless cops who don't even have enough balls to admit they made a mistake. You're every bit the miserable prick that they are. You know that you're wrong, but you aren't man enough to admit it, so you and your dyke pal distort what I wrote and toss out a bunch of simplistic crap about dangerous neighborhoods and the imagined necessity of shooting 97 year old women dead in their living rooms.
Fuck you up the ass, queer-bait. Talk to me when you develop a conscious.
You attack me and then accuse me of casting the first stone. Who do you think you are with this "first stone" nonsense, anyway? Jesus?
Using the first hand knowledge argument is juvenile. I can tell you the surface and core temperature of the sun, even though I've never been there in person. I don't need to travel to grandma's house in Atlanta--someplace you've never been either--to know that those cops screwed up in a major way, and that their standard operating procedure resulted in an old woman's death.
Who was looking out for the old woman? Now you're going to blame me and her family for her death at the hands of gung ho retard cops? Just because you failed logic 101 doesn't mean the rest of us did.
You and your special needs pals defended the indefensible actions of these dickless cops who don't even have enough balls to admit they made a mistake. You're every bit the miserable prick that they are. You know that you're wrong, but you aren't man enough to admit it, so you and your dyke pal distort what I wrote and toss out a bunch of simplistic crap about dangerous neighborhoods and the imagined necessity of shooting 97 year old women dead in their living rooms.
Fuck you up the ass, queer-bait. Talk to me when you develop a conscious.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 27, 2006 12:11 AM (bLPT+)
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I meant to write "conscience." Not that you'rre likely to notice the difference.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 27, 2006 12:15 AM (bLPT+)
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Jeff--And it takes an even bigger asshole to refer to the police as "dickless cops", "the Gestapo", and the lawful execution of no-knock warrants as "an excuse to increase department budgets and act
out sophomoric fantasies of "manly" heroism. It is the work of corrupt
cowards."
And you would have anyone believe your kid sister and brother-in-law are supposedly cops? Yeah, keep the fantasies coming Jeff.
Your truthful obeservations? No-knock warrants were upheld by the Supreme Court THIS YEAR, you fucking idiot —— with judges placed by BUSH. Now, if you support the warrantless search tenets of the Patriot Act, how can you sit here and deny police the tools they would use to curb the sales and delivery of drugs in our own cities, in our own schools?
I'll tell you how: because you're a hypocritical know-it-all scumbag, not worth the typical undermanned, overwhelmed police force's responsibility to serve you.
Did an old lady die in a botched raid? Absolutely. Same in Iraq, a lot of old ladies have been dying simply because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. But how can that be? The US military is the best trained, best funded, most state-of-the-art such organization in the world. Well it happens, you weasle, becusae that what happens im the midst of action, wheter police or military.
But in the US, you'd rather blame the guys that are trying to do the best they can with limited, YES LIMITED, resources, wouldn't you? You pathetic piece of shit.
I'd love to see you walk into a precinct in Omaha--a burg about as crime ridden as Provo, Utah--and spout this crap. You'd walk out speaking even higher than you do now. But that's right; you're trapped in a room, with only a keyboard to communicate with the outside world.
God but pussies like you gaul me.
As far as where I live goes, I've lived in Detroit, LA, Seattle, and Milwakee.
Bullshit. I've lived in Milwaukee nearly all my life and we wouldn't stand for a cock breath like you in our city. Tell me, where'd you live? What school did you go to when you lived here?
Why you contemptuous crotch stain, you haven't been out of Nebraska in your life.
Urban assault teams are better armed than the Navy fucking SEALS, you
raging ignoramus. Police budgets in most cities are through the roof.
Cops blow away criminals regularly (boo hoo,) but a convenience store
clerk has a far more dangerous job than the police do, with a far higher fatality rate.
COMPLETE bullshit, though I'm certain you have some personal insights into the convenience store clerk stats.
I guess the worse part of it is, miserable, lying pedophiles like you will get the same kind of protection as those who might actually appreciate it if the need ever arises. All I can hope is that if you're ever lying in the street and a cop car approaches, one of the two "dickless cowards" says to the other, "It's only Jeff Bargholz. Fuck him; keep driving."
Do everyone a favor, little-boy toucher -- piss off.
out sophomoric fantasies of "manly" heroism. It is the work of corrupt
cowards."
And you would have anyone believe your kid sister and brother-in-law are supposedly cops? Yeah, keep the fantasies coming Jeff.
Your truthful obeservations? No-knock warrants were upheld by the Supreme Court THIS YEAR, you fucking idiot —— with judges placed by BUSH. Now, if you support the warrantless search tenets of the Patriot Act, how can you sit here and deny police the tools they would use to curb the sales and delivery of drugs in our own cities, in our own schools?
I'll tell you how: because you're a hypocritical know-it-all scumbag, not worth the typical undermanned, overwhelmed police force's responsibility to serve you.
Did an old lady die in a botched raid? Absolutely. Same in Iraq, a lot of old ladies have been dying simply because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. But how can that be? The US military is the best trained, best funded, most state-of-the-art such organization in the world. Well it happens, you weasle, becusae that what happens im the midst of action, wheter police or military.
But in the US, you'd rather blame the guys that are trying to do the best they can with limited, YES LIMITED, resources, wouldn't you? You pathetic piece of shit.
I'd love to see you walk into a precinct in Omaha--a burg about as crime ridden as Provo, Utah--and spout this crap. You'd walk out speaking even higher than you do now. But that's right; you're trapped in a room, with only a keyboard to communicate with the outside world.
God but pussies like you gaul me.
As far as where I live goes, I've lived in Detroit, LA, Seattle, and Milwakee.
Bullshit. I've lived in Milwaukee nearly all my life and we wouldn't stand for a cock breath like you in our city. Tell me, where'd you live? What school did you go to when you lived here?
Why you contemptuous crotch stain, you haven't been out of Nebraska in your life.
Urban assault teams are better armed than the Navy fucking SEALS, you
raging ignoramus. Police budgets in most cities are through the roof.
Cops blow away criminals regularly (boo hoo,) but a convenience store
clerk has a far more dangerous job than the police do, with a far higher fatality rate.
COMPLETE bullshit, though I'm certain you have some personal insights into the convenience store clerk stats.
I guess the worse part of it is, miserable, lying pedophiles like you will get the same kind of protection as those who might actually appreciate it if the need ever arises. All I can hope is that if you're ever lying in the street and a cop car approaches, one of the two "dickless cowards" says to the other, "It's only Jeff Bargholz. Fuck him; keep driving."
Do everyone a favor, little-boy toucher -- piss off.
Posted by: HankHardy at November 27, 2006 01:07 AM (a7sMc)
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Jeez, calm down Jeff. I go away for a while and I get maligned
with
your over-reactionary vitriol. I never made any remark that this
isn't
a real issue. I never defended anyone and even included the fact
that
there was no further evidence in the Atlanta case to refute the initial
account. All I did was bring up the fact that comparing these two
particular incidents may not be right. Thanks for the apology,
but why finish it off with labeling my comment as "idiotically
complacent"?
Oh yeah, I'm unaware of the "secret war" by the "Criminally Unjust System" against John Q. [This is where I roll my eyes]
Jeff, aren't you guilty of what you have accused the police of?
Acting without all the facts? From what I've read here you're
deliberately conflating facts from separate incidents to justify your
broad brush painting.
According to what information is available, these incidents are not the
same at all. The only thing similar is that the home was occupied by
an elderly woman. In one case the police said they had bought drugs
earlier in the day at that particular house - in the other, the address
was obtained from a known criminal. The latter sounds like a major
screw up. I feel bad for that old woman and her family, but IF someone
she trusted was selling drugs from her house, who ever it is needs to
bear some responsibility.
That's all. Really. I'm not the enemy.
Both cases are under review. Wait and see. Personally, I hope the
whole "no-knock" warrant thing is severely restricted as a result, no
matter who was at fault.
with
your over-reactionary vitriol. I never made any remark that this
isn't
a real issue. I never defended anyone and even included the fact
that
there was no further evidence in the Atlanta case to refute the initial
account. All I did was bring up the fact that comparing these two
particular incidents may not be right. Thanks for the apology,
but why finish it off with labeling my comment as "idiotically
complacent"?
Oh yeah, I'm unaware of the "secret war" by the "Criminally Unjust System" against John Q. [This is where I roll my eyes]
Jeff, aren't you guilty of what you have accused the police of?
Acting without all the facts? From what I've read here you're
deliberately conflating facts from separate incidents to justify your
broad brush painting.
According to what information is available, these incidents are not the
same at all. The only thing similar is that the home was occupied by
an elderly woman. In one case the police said they had bought drugs
earlier in the day at that particular house - in the other, the address
was obtained from a known criminal. The latter sounds like a major
screw up. I feel bad for that old woman and her family, but IF someone
she trusted was selling drugs from her house, who ever it is needs to
bear some responsibility.
That's all. Really. I'm not the enemy.
Both cases are under review. Wait and see. Personally, I hope the
whole "no-knock" warrant thing is severely restricted as a result, no
matter who was at fault.
Posted by: Oyster at November 27, 2006 07:28 AM (YudAC)
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So, aside from all the hyperbolic rhetoric above, there still lies the
essential question; are the cops nazi's, or simply incompetent idiots?
There really is no third option. Also, the courts no longer act as
impartial arbiters of justice, but are mostly actively working against
the Constitution by either letting criminals go free, or allowing the
cops to act like the Gestapo.
essential question; are the cops nazi's, or simply incompetent idiots?
There really is no third option. Also, the courts no longer act as
impartial arbiters of justice, but are mostly actively working against
the Constitution by either letting criminals go free, or allowing the
cops to act like the Gestapo.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 27, 2006 07:39 AM (v3I+x)
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Now that I've read the rest of the commentary I'd like to personally
congratulate Jeff for employing just about every argument fallacy known
to man in one thread:
The Ad Hominem fallacy ("you're an obvious asshole and a moron." (That's only one instance))
The Appeal to Belief fallacy ("Police budgets in most cities are
through the roof." "Nearly half of the cops in this country are fat
women." etc...)
The Appeal to Common Practice fallacy ("I know from experience that
judges issue warrants thoughtlessly on the flimsiest of...
ahem...unwarranted accusations.")
The Appeal to Emotion fallacy ("He'd by crying a different tune if they kicked his auntie's door down and pig-piled on him.")
The Subjectivist Fallacy ("my truthful observations about problems with the American criminal justice system")
The Ad Baculum, Appeal to Fear fallacy ("Anyone who condones the terrorizing of old women...")
The Bandwagon fallacy ("Anyone who thinks the cowards who did this are
decent human beings deserving of our respect and admiration, is the one
who really wears a tinfoil hat.")
The Begging the Question fallacy ("Why do these "urban assault team" morons wear camo in the city, anyway?")
The Biased Induction or Biased Generalization or Biased Sample fallacy
("....shooting 97 year old women dead in their living rooms.")
And on it goes with:
The Ad Ignorantiam or Burden of Proof fallacy
The Post hoc fallacy
The Appeal to Ignorance fallacy
The Division fallacy
etc...
congratulate Jeff for employing just about every argument fallacy known
to man in one thread:
The Ad Hominem fallacy ("you're an obvious asshole and a moron." (That's only one instance))
The Appeal to Belief fallacy ("Police budgets in most cities are
through the roof." "Nearly half of the cops in this country are fat
women." etc...)
The Appeal to Common Practice fallacy ("I know from experience that
judges issue warrants thoughtlessly on the flimsiest of...
ahem...unwarranted accusations.")
The Appeal to Emotion fallacy ("He'd by crying a different tune if they kicked his auntie's door down and pig-piled on him.")
The Subjectivist Fallacy ("my truthful observations about problems with the American criminal justice system")
The Ad Baculum, Appeal to Fear fallacy ("Anyone who condones the terrorizing of old women...")
The Bandwagon fallacy ("Anyone who thinks the cowards who did this are
decent human beings deserving of our respect and admiration, is the one
who really wears a tinfoil hat.")
The Begging the Question fallacy ("Why do these "urban assault team" morons wear camo in the city, anyway?")
The Biased Induction or Biased Generalization or Biased Sample fallacy
("....shooting 97 year old women dead in their living rooms.")
And on it goes with:
The Ad Ignorantiam or Burden of Proof fallacy
The Post hoc fallacy
The Appeal to Ignorance fallacy
The Division fallacy
etc...
Posted by: Oyster at November 27, 2006 08:24 AM (YudAC)
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Here is a forum that is mostly police and military. Get Off The X dotcom.
Please go their and let them know your opinion of the fat women and sophomoric fantasy lives that police are overrun with. They will be happy for your thoughts! (You will have to register to visit, but its free).
Please go their and let them know your opinion of the fat women and sophomoric fantasy lives that police are overrun with. They will be happy for your thoughts! (You will have to register to visit, but its free).
Posted by: JeepThang at November 27, 2006 08:41 AM (yZQoS)
Posted by: JeepThang at November 27, 2006 08:42 AM (yZQoS)
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The local Atlanta news reported yesterday that the undercover cops serving the warrant on 92 year old grandma had purchased drugs at that house earlier in the day. I didn't follow the story all weekend but I caught that blurb last night.
Posted by: blackflag at November 27, 2006 10:14 AM (Mq5jS)
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There needs to be much more oversight on "No knock" raids, and by extension on the raids themselves, all officers microphones should be open, and recorded during the raid.
http://www.reason.com/news/show/36869.html
Cory Maye did not have a criminal record, and now sits on death row for the capital crime of killing a police officer, who he said did not announce themselves to be Police on entering his residents during a raid.
I put this down to two things, one lack of Judges and D.A's ensuring that the target location is the actual location of a suspect, because if I was on a SWAT team and was told to enter a location, I would enter it assuming my life is in danger as well.
The other would be like "the fog of war" in which officers react to other officers actions, such as the recent shootings where officers fired many more rounds needed to either subdue, or kill someone.
I am not sure of the criteria needed for a "no knock" warrant I am assuming that it is where a suspect may have a weapon and officers lives would be in jeopardy if having to announce. I would hope that it is not just given out for other situations, e.g evidence may be destroyed etc.
http://www.reason.com/news/show/36869.html
Cory Maye did not have a criminal record, and now sits on death row for the capital crime of killing a police officer, who he said did not announce themselves to be Police on entering his residents during a raid.
I put this down to two things, one lack of Judges and D.A's ensuring that the target location is the actual location of a suspect, because if I was on a SWAT team and was told to enter a location, I would enter it assuming my life is in danger as well.
The other would be like "the fog of war" in which officers react to other officers actions, such as the recent shootings where officers fired many more rounds needed to either subdue, or kill someone.
I am not sure of the criteria needed for a "no knock" warrant I am assuming that it is where a suspect may have a weapon and officers lives would be in jeopardy if having to announce. I would hope that it is not just given out for other situations, e.g evidence may be destroyed etc.
Posted by: davec at November 27, 2006 12:02 PM (QkWqQ)
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An absolute fallacy: Oyster has a valid argument.
There is no defense for what those cops did to those old women. Anyone who tries to defend their actions is a piece of shit.
Were you able to follow that, moron, or do I have to explain to you why murdering old women is wrong?
There is no defense for what those cops did to those old women. Anyone who tries to defend their actions is a piece of shit.
Were you able to follow that, moron, or do I have to explain to you why murdering old women is wrong?
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 27, 2006 12:43 PM (bLPT+)
Posted by: Oyster at November 27, 2006 01:25 PM (SCVhh)
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Hank Hardly:
What's with the butch response? Are you pissed off because I would dare criticize the killing of an old woman by dickless cops, or because I know you're a dickless dyke posing as a man?
The bottom line in your failed pissing match (besides the fact that you have to sit down to pee,) is that those overzealous assholes killed an old woman because they're fucking incompetent. Killing an innocent person is more than a simple error. They are a danger to the public they're supposed to serve, and deserve nothing but my contempt. The fact that you rabidly defend them makes you an unmitigated cunt. You even stooped low enough to slam the soldiers serving in Iraq, as though they're kicking doors down and shooting innocent old women. What a worthless piece of shit you are.
The candy asses who killed that old woman aren't even members of the same species as the soldiers serving Americans in Iraq. (As opposed to killing them.)
I'm not the one who kicked an old lady's door down and shot her dead. I didn't kick the door down at the wrong house and terrorize another old lady. Your dickless heroes did. I'm not the one you should be criticizing. Do you think it takes balls to kill an old lady? Is it brave and heroic to deny responsibility when you do? Is it's noble to excuse crimes like that?
You have no valid point to make. Your mindless and ineffectual insults are just a reflection of your stupid frustration. Applying my criticism of corrupt and incompetent cops to all police in the country is juvenile sophistry and misdirection on your part. Not all cops shoot old women. Just the ones you like so much.
Nobody questioned the legality of no-knock warrants, "you fucking idiot." I did question their efficacy and morality. You, on the other hand, are a staunch defender of incompetence and immorality. According to you, shooting old women curbs drug sales to the kiddies. (The Supreme Court is a joke, by the way. Say hi to fellow freak Bader-Ginsburg.)
Provide examples that the typical police force is under-funded and overwhelmed. Your bull-shit doesn't cut it. Were the nutless goons who killed that old woman "trying to do the best they can with limited, YES LIMITED, resources?"
Instead of me walking into a police station, why don't you come to my door and tell me what a pussy I am? That would be funny.
How is where I live or how long I've lived there relevant to the killing of old ladies in Atlanta, and why do you presume that anyone who has spent their entire life in Nebraska is ignorant? Is it becuase you're an ignorant bigot, or are you jealous because some people have the kind of job skills that attract employers in different states and countries?
Not everybody leaves one state for another to be part of a large homosexual community.
The Navy SEALS don't have their own assault vehicles and helicopters. TWAT teams do.
If you want stats on the murder rate for convenience store clerks, check Parade Magazine. Once a year, it prints a story citing the 25 most dangerous professions. Even breaking police listings into separate categories like sheriff, state patrol, police, etc., isn't enough to put a single one of those professions in the top ten. Covenience store clerks have a far higher fatality rate, and that's a fact. (Facts are those pesky little truths you disdain.)
I was a convenience store clerk when I was in college. What of it? You couldn't handle a job like that. Of course, you couldn't handle a wet dream on a rainy night.
Omaha has a relatively low murder rate, but it has one of the highest overall crime rates in the country. As usual, you don't know what you're talking about--not that the city I live in has anything to do with killing an old woman in Atlanta.
"God but pussies like you gall me."
I'm not sure why you assume I lived in Milwaukee as a child, rather than as an adult, but I did in fact live there as a child. I lived on 39th street and went to 37th street school. My brother and I were California natives, so naturally we kicked a lot of ass in dork-central Milwaukee.
We left after only 2 years because Milwakee sucks. While geeks like you were sniffing cheese, building igloos, taking in welfare cases from Illinois, and watching the crime rate grow faster than any other city in the country, we were surfing and skiing. Maybe if the Milwaukee police start killing old ladies, the crime rate will drop and the kiddies will be drug free.
You don't live in Milwaukee like you're insinuating. Just another of your lies.
I've already had the police "protect" me on multiple occasions. By protect, I really mean harrass and try to arrest. In 3 different cities. That's one of the reasons I know police forces across the country have huge problems when it comes to dealing with the law abiding public. Of course, you don't consider shooting old women to be a problem with the public.
It's about time you admit that you're a woman, and that you live in Seattle, not Milwaukee. You can come out as a rug-muncher while you're at it.
Thanks for giving me the opportunity to trash your vapid arguments and humiliate you. It was fun.
What's with the butch response? Are you pissed off because I would dare criticize the killing of an old woman by dickless cops, or because I know you're a dickless dyke posing as a man?
The bottom line in your failed pissing match (besides the fact that you have to sit down to pee,) is that those overzealous assholes killed an old woman because they're fucking incompetent. Killing an innocent person is more than a simple error. They are a danger to the public they're supposed to serve, and deserve nothing but my contempt. The fact that you rabidly defend them makes you an unmitigated cunt. You even stooped low enough to slam the soldiers serving in Iraq, as though they're kicking doors down and shooting innocent old women. What a worthless piece of shit you are.
The candy asses who killed that old woman aren't even members of the same species as the soldiers serving Americans in Iraq. (As opposed to killing them.)
I'm not the one who kicked an old lady's door down and shot her dead. I didn't kick the door down at the wrong house and terrorize another old lady. Your dickless heroes did. I'm not the one you should be criticizing. Do you think it takes balls to kill an old lady? Is it brave and heroic to deny responsibility when you do? Is it's noble to excuse crimes like that?
You have no valid point to make. Your mindless and ineffectual insults are just a reflection of your stupid frustration. Applying my criticism of corrupt and incompetent cops to all police in the country is juvenile sophistry and misdirection on your part. Not all cops shoot old women. Just the ones you like so much.
Nobody questioned the legality of no-knock warrants, "you fucking idiot." I did question their efficacy and morality. You, on the other hand, are a staunch defender of incompetence and immorality. According to you, shooting old women curbs drug sales to the kiddies. (The Supreme Court is a joke, by the way. Say hi to fellow freak Bader-Ginsburg.)
Provide examples that the typical police force is under-funded and overwhelmed. Your bull-shit doesn't cut it. Were the nutless goons who killed that old woman "trying to do the best they can with limited, YES LIMITED, resources?"
Instead of me walking into a police station, why don't you come to my door and tell me what a pussy I am? That would be funny.
How is where I live or how long I've lived there relevant to the killing of old ladies in Atlanta, and why do you presume that anyone who has spent their entire life in Nebraska is ignorant? Is it becuase you're an ignorant bigot, or are you jealous because some people have the kind of job skills that attract employers in different states and countries?
Not everybody leaves one state for another to be part of a large homosexual community.
The Navy SEALS don't have their own assault vehicles and helicopters. TWAT teams do.
If you want stats on the murder rate for convenience store clerks, check Parade Magazine. Once a year, it prints a story citing the 25 most dangerous professions. Even breaking police listings into separate categories like sheriff, state patrol, police, etc., isn't enough to put a single one of those professions in the top ten. Covenience store clerks have a far higher fatality rate, and that's a fact. (Facts are those pesky little truths you disdain.)
I was a convenience store clerk when I was in college. What of it? You couldn't handle a job like that. Of course, you couldn't handle a wet dream on a rainy night.
Omaha has a relatively low murder rate, but it has one of the highest overall crime rates in the country. As usual, you don't know what you're talking about--not that the city I live in has anything to do with killing an old woman in Atlanta.
"God but pussies like you gall me."
I'm not sure why you assume I lived in Milwaukee as a child, rather than as an adult, but I did in fact live there as a child. I lived on 39th street and went to 37th street school. My brother and I were California natives, so naturally we kicked a lot of ass in dork-central Milwaukee.
We left after only 2 years because Milwakee sucks. While geeks like you were sniffing cheese, building igloos, taking in welfare cases from Illinois, and watching the crime rate grow faster than any other city in the country, we were surfing and skiing. Maybe if the Milwaukee police start killing old ladies, the crime rate will drop and the kiddies will be drug free.
You don't live in Milwaukee like you're insinuating. Just another of your lies.
I've already had the police "protect" me on multiple occasions. By protect, I really mean harrass and try to arrest. In 3 different cities. That's one of the reasons I know police forces across the country have huge problems when it comes to dealing with the law abiding public. Of course, you don't consider shooting old women to be a problem with the public.
It's about time you admit that you're a woman, and that you live in Seattle, not Milwaukee. You can come out as a rug-muncher while you're at it.
Thanks for giving me the opportunity to trash your vapid arguments and humiliate you. It was fun.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 27, 2006 02:10 PM (bLPT+)
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 27, 2006 02:13 PM (bLPT+)
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Improbulus Maximus:
There is a third option. Many cops are incompetent Nazis. It's impossible to tell what proportion of them are, but the actions and policies of individual police chiefs are a good indication of what kind of cops they employ.
Of course, some people here would argue that the Daryll Gates wannabe in Atlanta is a good police chief, and that two old ladies victimized in short order doesn't indicate a severe problem.
There is a third option. Many cops are incompetent Nazis. It's impossible to tell what proportion of them are, but the actions and policies of individual police chiefs are a good indication of what kind of cops they employ.
Of course, some people here would argue that the Daryll Gates wannabe in Atlanta is a good police chief, and that two old ladies victimized in short order doesn't indicate a severe problem.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 27, 2006 02:23 PM (bLPT+)
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Jeff, man, you need to chill a little I think. I tend to run a bit long in posts, but it's nothing compared to how you go off.
Back on Topic: I think that the no-knock is mostly a bad idea. There's just way too much that can go wrong with it for very little real gain. S.W.A.T. teams were made for hostage rescue and raids on entrenched suspects that the normal cops already failed in taking, not for serving an your run of the mill "we think you have some pot" warrant.
Under the idea of escalation this tactic would appear to be a bad idea. You have druggies who flush their stash in announced raids, occassionally the police get shot. In response the police start just barging in with guns ready to rock. It seems to me that the next step in the criminal mind now that they know the cops are employing this tactic would be to assume they're screwed anyway, practically garunteeing they open up on the cops or boobytrap entrances, making it more dangerous for everybody.
I think the thing that bugs me the most about this is the flagrant disregard for the citizenry being displayed by the officers. You have the well-documented cases where cops raid the wrong house and either the innocent occupant dies or goes to prison for defending themselves. The onus is currently on an occupant who is probably untrained for those kinds of situations to behave in a non-threatening manner to a lightning raid that is designed to confuse and disorient conducted in the dark by trained people in intimidating equipment. If the door on my house randomly goes down in the middle of the night and a bunch of big guys come in screaming you can be damn sure I'm going down fighting. I have my mom and sister to protect.
There's also the innocents in the surrounding area that could be hurt. We had a 3 county daylight no-knock raid when I was in junior high school on a whore/drughouse that had relocated from the city to our suburb. They decided to do the raid at the time the elementary school bus was unloading just around the corner (about 150 feet away). That was about 30 children, my little sister included, in the potential fields of fire from the house. About half of them had parents waiting at the stop to walk them home. Thankfully nodoby was hurt and the people inside gave no resistance, but if they had possessed even 1 firearm and fired it outside (intentionally or missed a cop) the results could have been devastating.
If the raids are to be used, then I think they should be recorded in all ways possible. Recording open-mic would be a start, but they should also have helmet cameras. It might cut down on the instances where the occupants said the police didn't ID themselves (but then there's the problem of the cops IDing themselves, blowing down the door and the occpuant not being awake until the door goes). It should also be made into law that the PD will be liable for all damages suffered as a result of an erroneous raid.
Back on Topic: I think that the no-knock is mostly a bad idea. There's just way too much that can go wrong with it for very little real gain. S.W.A.T. teams were made for hostage rescue and raids on entrenched suspects that the normal cops already failed in taking, not for serving an your run of the mill "we think you have some pot" warrant.
Under the idea of escalation this tactic would appear to be a bad idea. You have druggies who flush their stash in announced raids, occassionally the police get shot. In response the police start just barging in with guns ready to rock. It seems to me that the next step in the criminal mind now that they know the cops are employing this tactic would be to assume they're screwed anyway, practically garunteeing they open up on the cops or boobytrap entrances, making it more dangerous for everybody.
I think the thing that bugs me the most about this is the flagrant disregard for the citizenry being displayed by the officers. You have the well-documented cases where cops raid the wrong house and either the innocent occupant dies or goes to prison for defending themselves. The onus is currently on an occupant who is probably untrained for those kinds of situations to behave in a non-threatening manner to a lightning raid that is designed to confuse and disorient conducted in the dark by trained people in intimidating equipment. If the door on my house randomly goes down in the middle of the night and a bunch of big guys come in screaming you can be damn sure I'm going down fighting. I have my mom and sister to protect.
There's also the innocents in the surrounding area that could be hurt. We had a 3 county daylight no-knock raid when I was in junior high school on a whore/drughouse that had relocated from the city to our suburb. They decided to do the raid at the time the elementary school bus was unloading just around the corner (about 150 feet away). That was about 30 children, my little sister included, in the potential fields of fire from the house. About half of them had parents waiting at the stop to walk them home. Thankfully nodoby was hurt and the people inside gave no resistance, but if they had possessed even 1 firearm and fired it outside (intentionally or missed a cop) the results could have been devastating.
If the raids are to be used, then I think they should be recorded in all ways possible. Recording open-mic would be a start, but they should also have helmet cameras. It might cut down on the instances where the occupants said the police didn't ID themselves (but then there's the problem of the cops IDing themselves, blowing down the door and the occpuant not being awake until the door goes). It should also be made into law that the PD will be liable for all damages suffered as a result of an erroneous raid.
Posted by: Ranba Ral at November 27, 2006 02:44 PM (VvXII)
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Jeep Thang:
Please show me a photo of a slim, attractive, female cop, then explain why dressing up like GI Joe to bust a suspected drug dealer isn't sophomoric.
While you're at it, please explain the adversarial "us versus them" mentality of most police departments. Why do they view the public as potential suspects when they have "To Serve And Protect" written on their cars?
I notice there are no cops here refuting what I've written.
I was watching "Cops" yesterday, and a self righteous, dim-witted prig of a pig arrested a teen aged girl for petty drug possesion. Instead of taking her home to her parents, this creep took her to jail. He even called her mother to the scene. Not to pick her daughter up, and help scare her straight, but to lecture the mother on television. Completely inappropriate, but all too common. The smug little scumbag was practically smirking while the poor girl cried her eyes out. Hopefully, he'll become one of the few cops in this country who are killed on duty.
Oyster would say this is an anecdotal argument, but I say it's indicative of the contempt many police departments have for the public. Anyone who has watched "Cops" knows that most of the police featured on that wretched show treat the public like shit, and assume everyone is guilty.
I'm sure they're just "bad apples," and not part of a nationwide problem. (I'm rolling my eyes here, Oyster.)
Please show me a photo of a slim, attractive, female cop, then explain why dressing up like GI Joe to bust a suspected drug dealer isn't sophomoric.
While you're at it, please explain the adversarial "us versus them" mentality of most police departments. Why do they view the public as potential suspects when they have "To Serve And Protect" written on their cars?
I notice there are no cops here refuting what I've written.
I was watching "Cops" yesterday, and a self righteous, dim-witted prig of a pig arrested a teen aged girl for petty drug possesion. Instead of taking her home to her parents, this creep took her to jail. He even called her mother to the scene. Not to pick her daughter up, and help scare her straight, but to lecture the mother on television. Completely inappropriate, but all too common. The smug little scumbag was practically smirking while the poor girl cried her eyes out. Hopefully, he'll become one of the few cops in this country who are killed on duty.
Oyster would say this is an anecdotal argument, but I say it's indicative of the contempt many police departments have for the public. Anyone who has watched "Cops" knows that most of the police featured on that wretched show treat the public like shit, and assume everyone is guilty.
I'm sure they're just "bad apples," and not part of a nationwide problem. (I'm rolling my eyes here, Oyster.)
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 27, 2006 02:52 PM (bLPT+)
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Blackflag:
How does an unsubstantiated claim by the Atlanta police department that they bought drugs at that house excuse the shooting of an old lady? You know that it doesn't.
The suspected drug dealer wasn't even home, which proves that he could have and should have been picked up leaving or returning to the house.
Why didn't they arrest the suspect when he sold them the fucking drugs? I'll tell you why: Because they're incompetent fucking goons who like to play dress-up and kick people's doors in!
How does an unsubstantiated claim by the Atlanta police department that they bought drugs at that house excuse the shooting of an old lady? You know that it doesn't.
The suspected drug dealer wasn't even home, which proves that he could have and should have been picked up leaving or returning to the house.
Why didn't they arrest the suspect when he sold them the fucking drugs? I'll tell you why: Because they're incompetent fucking goons who like to play dress-up and kick people's doors in!
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 27, 2006 03:01 PM (bLPT+)
Posted by: JeepThang at November 27, 2006 03:14 PM (yZQoS)
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Jeff:
Hopefully, he'll become one of the few cops in this country who are killed on duty.
Disgusting.
Hopefully, he'll become one of the few cops in this country who are killed on duty.
Disgusting.
Posted by: davec at November 27, 2006 03:15 PM (QkWqQ)
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Ranba Ral:
Sorry for the length of my comments. I didn't think anybody but the assholes I was insulting would read the long ones.
Scumbags like Hank Hardly--who excuse the killing of old ladies--go apoplectic when they read long comments which point out their shortcomings. That's why I write them: I'm hoping they'll have a stroke or a brain aneurysm and drop dead.
I'm glad I'm not the only one with enough sense to recognize the problems inherent in no-knock warrants. You, Improbulus, Davec, and Danneskjold are the only other people here who aren't out to lunch.
Sorry for the length of my comments. I didn't think anybody but the assholes I was insulting would read the long ones.
Scumbags like Hank Hardly--who excuse the killing of old ladies--go apoplectic when they read long comments which point out their shortcomings. That's why I write them: I'm hoping they'll have a stroke or a brain aneurysm and drop dead.
I'm glad I'm not the only one with enough sense to recognize the problems inherent in no-knock warrants. You, Improbulus, Davec, and Danneskjold are the only other people here who aren't out to lunch.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 27, 2006 03:35 PM (bLPT+)
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Davec:
Why is what I wrote disgusting? Why should I think that asshole deserves to live just because you think he does? Why did you take my hyperbole literally?
Why is what I wrote disgusting? Why should I think that asshole deserves to live just because you think he does? Why did you take my hyperbole literally?
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 27, 2006 03:37 PM (bLPT+)
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Jeff:
Wishing a cop being killed in the line of duty, is just disgusting, no matter what grievance you might have with their job skills. The funny thing is I agree with you in the sense that there are too many mistakes, to much rubber stamping on warrants and not enough oversight, but that was just a bridge too far.
Wishing a cop being killed in the line of duty, is just disgusting, no matter what grievance you might have with their job skills. The funny thing is I agree with you in the sense that there are too many mistakes, to much rubber stamping on warrants and not enough oversight, but that was just a bridge too far.
Posted by: davec at November 27, 2006 03:41 PM (QkWqQ)
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Jeep Thang:
Bye. I guess you're going to a copophile site to tell them how cool they are for dressing up like GI Joe to serve warrants on petty drug offenders. (Maybe you can get your own outfit at an Army/Navy store and play cops and robbers with them.)
Either that, or you're busy looking for a slim, attractive, female cop. Good luck with that.
Bye. I guess you're going to a copophile site to tell them how cool they are for dressing up like GI Joe to serve warrants on petty drug offenders. (Maybe you can get your own outfit at an Army/Navy store and play cops and robbers with them.)
Either that, or you're busy looking for a slim, attractive, female cop. Good luck with that.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 27, 2006 03:44 PM (bLPT+)
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Davec:
I disagree. The cop who permanently affected that girl's life in a very negative way deserves an ass-kicking. I was kidding about him getting killed, but I do think whoever was responsible for blowing away that old lady should be executed. No, I'm not kidding this time. I don't wish he would die in the line of duty, because then his family might get his retirement money and the city would have to pay for his funeral parade. (There's a waste of money for you. Why should cops be singled out for state funerals? The Border Patrol doesn't get them, and their job is much more dangerous.)
No, whoever is responsible for that heinous non-crime should be fired in disgrace and executed for causing an innocent person to be killed through sheer incompetence and gross disregard for the public he's supposed to serve. I'm a firm believer that some people need to die.
I disagree. The cop who permanently affected that girl's life in a very negative way deserves an ass-kicking. I was kidding about him getting killed, but I do think whoever was responsible for blowing away that old lady should be executed. No, I'm not kidding this time. I don't wish he would die in the line of duty, because then his family might get his retirement money and the city would have to pay for his funeral parade. (There's a waste of money for you. Why should cops be singled out for state funerals? The Border Patrol doesn't get them, and their job is much more dangerous.)
No, whoever is responsible for that heinous non-crime should be fired in disgrace and executed for causing an innocent person to be killed through sheer incompetence and gross disregard for the public he's supposed to serve. I'm a firm believer that some people need to die.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 27, 2006 03:52 PM (bLPT+)
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Jeff:
I was watching "Cops" yesterday, and a self righteous, dim-witted prig of a pig arrested a teen aged girl for petty drug possesion.
I reserve my sympathy for the law-abiding that become victims of over aggressive Police policies, not those that break the law. If she did not have the drugs she would not have had the same problem, nor would she or her Mother have to sit through a lecture. Same goes for those who get beaten while resisting arrest, I reserve my anger for those beaten without cause.
I was watching "Cops" yesterday, and a self righteous, dim-witted prig of a pig arrested a teen aged girl for petty drug possesion.
I reserve my sympathy for the law-abiding that become victims of over aggressive Police policies, not those that break the law. If she did not have the drugs she would not have had the same problem, nor would she or her Mother have to sit through a lecture. Same goes for those who get beaten while resisting arrest, I reserve my anger for those beaten without cause.
Posted by: davec at November 27, 2006 04:09 PM (QkWqQ)
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Davec:
A teen-aged girl shouldn't have her life permanently affected by a youthful indiscretion. In small towns and other civilized areas, the cops take kids like that home for their parents to deal with. They are impressed with the severity of their mistake and the possible consequences. Their names are put on a list (unless it's a really small community,) so that if they repeat the offense they may get official punishment.
Punishing a girl with a clean record serves no purpose other than to raise revenue in the form of fines and court costs for the local municipality to waste. Unless you count the sadistic jollies the cop got from busting a kid and lecturing her mother. He was not concerned with her welfare or the welfare of others. He was concerned with busting her for something he would never bust his own daughter for.
Whether you think first time offenders should be stigmatized for life or not, it is not the job of civil servants in the police force to lecture parents on child rearing. The guy was a prick and a bully, no "buts" about it.
Speaking personally, I wont ever be patronized like that by a mental and moral midget with half my education and a tiny set of testicles.
I'm not sure possession of drugs should even be a crime. Driving under the influence, babysitting while speeding on crack, etc., yes, but possession?
The incompetent and corrupt authorities cant stop drugs from being manufactured or smuggled into the country, but they have no problem throwing children behind bars and filling our jails with petty drug users. Yes, this is mainly done to justify huge budgets and build more fucking jails, whether you choose to believe that or not.
America's best and brightest don't tend to gravitate towards careers in law enforcement, but some of the most dishonest pricks in the country sure do. Unfortunately, they seem to be the ones who set policy, and they're giving honest cops a bad name.
A teen-aged girl shouldn't have her life permanently affected by a youthful indiscretion. In small towns and other civilized areas, the cops take kids like that home for their parents to deal with. They are impressed with the severity of their mistake and the possible consequences. Their names are put on a list (unless it's a really small community,) so that if they repeat the offense they may get official punishment.
Punishing a girl with a clean record serves no purpose other than to raise revenue in the form of fines and court costs for the local municipality to waste. Unless you count the sadistic jollies the cop got from busting a kid and lecturing her mother. He was not concerned with her welfare or the welfare of others. He was concerned with busting her for something he would never bust his own daughter for.
Whether you think first time offenders should be stigmatized for life or not, it is not the job of civil servants in the police force to lecture parents on child rearing. The guy was a prick and a bully, no "buts" about it.
Speaking personally, I wont ever be patronized like that by a mental and moral midget with half my education and a tiny set of testicles.
I'm not sure possession of drugs should even be a crime. Driving under the influence, babysitting while speeding on crack, etc., yes, but possession?
The incompetent and corrupt authorities cant stop drugs from being manufactured or smuggled into the country, but they have no problem throwing children behind bars and filling our jails with petty drug users. Yes, this is mainly done to justify huge budgets and build more fucking jails, whether you choose to believe that or not.
America's best and brightest don't tend to gravitate towards careers in law enforcement, but some of the most dishonest pricks in the country sure do. Unfortunately, they seem to be the ones who set policy, and they're giving honest cops a bad name.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 27, 2006 05:00 PM (bLPT+)
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Posted by: shemales pictures at November 27, 2006 06:36 PM (t+vh2)
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Posted by: shemales pictures at November 27, 2006 06:38 PM (bTz3Q)
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I don't believe they're filling jails other than county jails for so called "petty" drug use?
Punishing a girl with a clean record serves no purpose other than to raise revenue in the form of fines and court costs for the local municipality to waste.
Why stop at petty drugs, what other "petty" crime should we ignore? shoplifting? jay walking? I guess it all comes down to your personal beliefs in certain laws.
I don't think you can single out the Police for their share of "dishonest pricks" I think you'll find they're in every vocation
Punishing a girl with a clean record serves no purpose other than to raise revenue in the form of fines and court costs for the local municipality to waste.
Why stop at petty drugs, what other "petty" crime should we ignore? shoplifting? jay walking? I guess it all comes down to your personal beliefs in certain laws.
I don't think you can single out the Police for their share of "dishonest pricks" I think you'll find they're in every vocation
Posted by: davec at November 27, 2006 06:44 PM (QkWqQ)
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She doesnt carry it for the rest of her life. when she turns 18 her record is purged. Juvenile court records are typically sealed in the first place.
Posted by: JeepThang at November 27, 2006 07:00 PM (yZQoS)
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Instead of me walking into a police station, why don't you come to my door and tell me what a pussy I am? That would be funny.
Not a bad idea; you still live in Ord?
Instead of me walking into a police station, why don't you come to my door and tell me what a pussy I am? That would be funny.
Not a bad idea; you still live in Ord?
Posted by: HankHardy at November 27, 2006 07:55 PM (a7sMc)
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Davec:
I don't take any pleasure in this. You seem like a semi-decent guy who cant admit that our criminal justice system is FBU, and that the cops tend to be Special Ed rejects.
American prisons incarcerate more petty drug offenders than any other felon. Not that being a felon means you're a bad guy anymore. "local" (county,) jails are overwhelmingly filled with petty drug offenders. Prisons are even worse.
Either you support this travesty of justice, or you oppose it.
Should first time shop lifters and (Good God,) jaywalkers be stricken with harsh sentences? If your answerr is "Yes," you're a hopeless asshole. (We both know you are.)
Only the police and court system have the authority to fuck a law abiding citizen up the ass for no good reason. Yay!
Why do you support this travesty of justice? I already know why, but I'm interested in your response. How are you going to pretend you're not a complete, scum-sucking asshole? Are you going to play the muslim card?
I don't take any pleasure in this. You seem like a semi-decent guy who cant admit that our criminal justice system is FBU, and that the cops tend to be Special Ed rejects.
American prisons incarcerate more petty drug offenders than any other felon. Not that being a felon means you're a bad guy anymore. "local" (county,) jails are overwhelmingly filled with petty drug offenders. Prisons are even worse.
Either you support this travesty of justice, or you oppose it.
Should first time shop lifters and (Good God,) jaywalkers be stricken with harsh sentences? If your answerr is "Yes," you're a hopeless asshole. (We both know you are.)
Only the police and court system have the authority to fuck a law abiding citizen up the ass for no good reason. Yay!
Why do you support this travesty of justice? I already know why, but I'm interested in your response. How are you going to pretend you're not a complete, scum-sucking asshole? Are you going to play the muslim card?
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 27, 2006 10:20 PM (bLPT+)
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 27, 2006 10:22 PM (bLPT+)
Posted by: JeepThang at November 27, 2006 10:54 PM (yZQoS)
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Donal/Hank Hardly:
I don't live in Ord prison. I live in Nebraska, remember? The state I've never left, according to you?
Tell us what carpets taste like, dyke breath.
I don't live in Ord prison. I live in Nebraska, remember? The state I've never left, according to you?
Tell us what carpets taste like, dyke breath.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 27, 2006 11:44 PM (bLPT+)
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I don't know what an "Ord prison" is. I do know where Ord, Nebraska is however. So do you.
Maybe I'll pop in to say hi. Butt. Lick.
Maybe I'll pop in to say hi. Butt. Lick.
Posted by: HankHardy at November 27, 2006 11:53 PM (a7sMc)
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Donal:
I wish you really were prosperous enough to travel to Nebraska. My wife would love to kick you in the throat.
We're going to Washington and British Columbia soon. Maybe we'll see you around. Dyke.
I wish you really were prosperous enough to travel to Nebraska. My wife would love to kick you in the throat.
We're going to Washington and British Columbia soon. Maybe we'll see you around. Dyke.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 28, 2006 12:40 AM (bLPT+)
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Jeff:
Sorry for my late reply, I have been rather busy.
The reason I support it is because I already have lived in a country that is soft on so called "petty crime", just like most people in the United States that support socialized medicine, you are unaware of what you are asking for.
A more relaxed criminal code, starts out with just a few things ignored, such as marijuana possession, then moves on with other people calling for other drugs to be reclassified such as ecstasy and LSD, eventually they relax other drugs, then they ignore other so called "petty" crimes such as shop lifting (with liberal judges suggesting no one goes to prison for shoplifting) it is a complete slippery slope.
It is paramount to people that vote "Yes" for Liquor being sold in their city, and "No" when it comes to putting a Liquor store in their Neighborhood -- they want the access, just do not want it where THEY live, would you support drug dealing on your street Jeff? or just in poor neighborhoods? how about dealers selling to your kids? or just outside ghetto schools?
Sorry for my late reply, I have been rather busy.
The reason I support it is because I already have lived in a country that is soft on so called "petty crime", just like most people in the United States that support socialized medicine, you are unaware of what you are asking for.
A more relaxed criminal code, starts out with just a few things ignored, such as marijuana possession, then moves on with other people calling for other drugs to be reclassified such as ecstasy and LSD, eventually they relax other drugs, then they ignore other so called "petty" crimes such as shop lifting (with liberal judges suggesting no one goes to prison for shoplifting) it is a complete slippery slope.
It is paramount to people that vote "Yes" for Liquor being sold in their city, and "No" when it comes to putting a Liquor store in their Neighborhood -- they want the access, just do not want it where THEY live, would you support drug dealing on your street Jeff? or just in poor neighborhoods? how about dealers selling to your kids? or just outside ghetto schools?
Posted by: davec at November 28, 2006 01:58 PM (QkWqQ)
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Also Jeff, you ignore that breaking the law, be it by smoking marijuana or committing armed robbery, is a choice, as such you should be prepared for the repercussions of your decision if you are caught and prosecuted.
If I put down $2,500.00 on a Roulette wheel, and my number is wrong, I don't get a 'takes backsy" I have to live with my losses, same for anyone who knowingly breaks the law.
If I put down $2,500.00 on a Roulette wheel, and my number is wrong, I don't get a 'takes backsy" I have to live with my losses, same for anyone who knowingly breaks the law.
Posted by: davec at November 28, 2006 02:06 PM (QkWqQ)
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Davec: I see what you are saying. You fear any reversal would result in incrementalism. But we already have imcrementalism. We keep incrementing the severity of enforcement with little good results. No we would not have to accept incremental steps to stupidity but we could do a little control and regulate for a couple of lesser drugs. It would one, create revenue. Two take some revenue from criminals. Create a business. Make these drugs safer by controlling production by regulation. Cast vics a lot of money on nyquill. But we would not have to go plain silly. I say put real coca cola on liquire stores and also allow the sale of regulated marajuanna in liquore stores to those 21 and over. Also add a law so that these must be sealed unless on provate property. Broken seal in public, go to jail. Combine the agency into ATF. It could be done with some common sense.
Posted by: Howie at November 28, 2006 02:11 PM (YdcZ0)
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Howie:
So employers should also just stop drug testing employee's also?
As an employer that does not want employees that partake in recreational drug use, will I be able to deny them a job? fire them if I find out later they lied? what if a court finds that a drug user is an addict, and therefore considered handicapped (as some alcoholics have been) and as such I am discriminating and I am forced to pay compensation?
how about increased health insurance fees, should I be forced to pay those too?
How about if the Government forced all people that buy legalized Marijuana to have it identified on their drivers license so they purchase it, would you support that too? so I can look at your drivers license and reject you for a job? if you have the right too choose, so should I!
There is a plethora of laws and expenses that would also come with de-criminalizing just marijuana use, most of which would come down to the courts, and the Government to decide.
So employers should also just stop drug testing employee's also?
As an employer that does not want employees that partake in recreational drug use, will I be able to deny them a job? fire them if I find out later they lied? what if a court finds that a drug user is an addict, and therefore considered handicapped (as some alcoholics have been) and as such I am discriminating and I am forced to pay compensation?
how about increased health insurance fees, should I be forced to pay those too?
How about if the Government forced all people that buy legalized Marijuana to have it identified on their drivers license so they purchase it, would you support that too? so I can look at your drivers license and reject you for a job? if you have the right too choose, so should I!
There is a plethora of laws and expenses that would also come with de-criminalizing just marijuana use, most of which would come down to the courts, and the Government to decide.
Posted by: davec at November 28, 2006 02:43 PM (QkWqQ)
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So are you going to fire the beer drinkers too. Employment is at the pleasure of the employer and employee. So no. And I think that, "I'm disabled becuase I'm a drunk or whatever" is sillyness. Damn leeches. Also, you should fire your employees who drink beer(recreational drug) on Saturday night and mark their license too just to be fair.
The effects of alcohol are expensive. Liver problems, accidents, some cancers, so on and so forth. Damn boozers are ruining everything. We should outlaw booze. And tobacco and fatty foods, pork, partialy hydrogenated oils of all kinds and french fries.
The effects of alcohol are expensive. Liver problems, accidents, some cancers, so on and so forth. Damn boozers are ruining everything. We should outlaw booze. And tobacco and fatty foods, pork, partialy hydrogenated oils of all kinds and french fries.
Posted by: Howie at November 28, 2006 02:58 PM (YdcZ0)
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Howie:
You would be surprised how much of the same above nonsense is in front of the courts right now.
Employers have the right to refuse based on your recreational activities already, a lot of big companies have already banned smokers from gaining employment in their workplace, and have even fired those who refuse to quit.
I do not have to refuse to employ beer-drinkers, if I refuse smokers from employment already, so it is already a policy open for individual Corporations, however I would not hire anyone who smoked Marijuana, and that would be my right as an employer.
The problem of course would be in the first couple of years after legalization, there would be a disconnect that would allow open challenges in court because there is no case law, this would mean I would probably have to employ Marijuana smokers until I am protected from discrimination lawsuits by legislation. I would also have to incur more expenses on health insurance, because the Government protects their biggest lobby, for something I would have no control over, it's almost like taxation, without representation.
You would be surprised how much of the same above nonsense is in front of the courts right now.
Employers have the right to refuse based on your recreational activities already, a lot of big companies have already banned smokers from gaining employment in their workplace, and have even fired those who refuse to quit.
I do not have to refuse to employ beer-drinkers, if I refuse smokers from employment already, so it is already a policy open for individual Corporations, however I would not hire anyone who smoked Marijuana, and that would be my right as an employer.
The problem of course would be in the first couple of years after legalization, there would be a disconnect that would allow open challenges in court because there is no case law, this would mean I would probably have to employ Marijuana smokers until I am protected from discrimination lawsuits by legislation. I would also have to incur more expenses on health insurance, because the Government protects their biggest lobby, for something I would have no control over, it's almost like taxation, without representation.
Posted by: davec at November 28, 2006 03:16 PM (QkWqQ)
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I guess my name is Donal, I live in the Washington or British Columbia area and Jeff's going to have his wife beat me up while there. Of course he'll have to route his Nebraska-to-Pacific-Northwest trip through Wauwatosa, Wisconsin and then actually find someone here named Donal to have her actually take a swing at, but, uh, that's OK with me.
Posted by: HankHardy at November 28, 2006 07:16 PM (a7sMc)
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Davec:
I just went back and read my last comment to you, and I have to apologize for how insulting it was. Looking back, I don't know why i included the personal attacks. Maybe i was writing to you and thinking of Hank Hardly.
Anyway. Every profession has its pricks, but not all of them attract pricks. The criminal justice system does.
I don't believe the slippery slope argument is valid in this or any other case. It never pans out in reality. I also don't believe in absolutism. Just because that cop should have brought that girl home, doesn't mean I think no laws should be enforced. In any case, a law is only as good as the intent behind it, so the "rule of law" argument is specious. A law intended to criminalize and imprison recreational drug users is unjust and preys on the very society its supposed to serve.
I've lived in other countries with a more relaxed approach to crime, and except for petty theft, they had lower crime rates than America.
It's no secret that the countries that produce recreational drugs don't have drug abuse problems like America does.
The countries where recreational drug use is legal have virtually no drug related crime.
The crime rate in America is as high as it is because virtually everything here is illegal. Manufactured crime is a huge industry in America, especially at the local level, which is far and away the most corrupt segment of our government. Do you think speeding tickets are handed out more often than citations for running red lights and unsafe lane changes because speeding is more dangerous, or because the fines are larger? Speeding isn't more dangerous, so the answer is obvious.
If drugs were legalized, there wouldn't be any street level dealers. No, I don't want a pusher selling drugs to my kids, but I sure as hell don't want my kids thrown in jail for smoking pot.
Ecstasy and LSD aren't nearly as harmful as alcohol is, and I don't hear you calling for a return of the Prohibition.
I think everybody in the country has shoplifted at least once in their lives, usually when they were minors. I'll wager you've done it yourself. Should all of us be locked up? This is the type of behaviour that kids sometimes engage in because they have poor judgement. That's why adults should guide them, not imprison them. I don't want to see Jean ValJean thrown in prison either.
Despite the fact that gambling is extremely destructive, it is legal in this country, while recreational drug use is not. Betting money on a roulette wheel is not a good thing just because it's legal, and using drugs is not a bad thing just because it's illegal. Unjust laws need to be struck down, not overzealously enforced just to raise revenue for corrupt municipalities.
I don't smoke marijuana, and I don't want my kids to smoke it, but it has no proven, long-term, adverse, effects on those who smoke it. A guy who smokes a doobie on Friday night and raids his local 7-11 for pork rinds and other munchies can come into work on Monday morning and perform his job just as well as the guy who went to the gym and ate a healthy meal on Friday night.
I have no problem with you refusing to hire people who smoke pot, but I do have a problem with mandatory drug tests. They're a clear invasion of privacy, and they will eventually become illegal in the private sector. It's ridiculous that employers can violate the civil liberties of all prospective employees by forcing them to pee in a cup, but women can commit infanticide in the name of "privacy." The 4th amendment was written for a reason.
It all comes back to poorly written and repressive laws. Laws should not be enacted with the intent of preying on the public. Many are, and too many people have suffered already because of it.
As a man, I'm personally terrified that there are laws which allow any woman in the country to have me thrown in jail without question on a whim, or out of spite. This law was ostensibly enacted to protect women, but it's used by lying harpies and our crooked criminal justice system to punish innocent men across the country every single day. It doesn't protect women at all. It has caused a lot of violence against women, some of it justified. This obscene law is just the tip of the iceberg.
No knock warrants kill old women. Laws governing them need to be revised or tossed out, along with every other unjust law.
I just went back and read my last comment to you, and I have to apologize for how insulting it was. Looking back, I don't know why i included the personal attacks. Maybe i was writing to you and thinking of Hank Hardly.
Anyway. Every profession has its pricks, but not all of them attract pricks. The criminal justice system does.
I don't believe the slippery slope argument is valid in this or any other case. It never pans out in reality. I also don't believe in absolutism. Just because that cop should have brought that girl home, doesn't mean I think no laws should be enforced. In any case, a law is only as good as the intent behind it, so the "rule of law" argument is specious. A law intended to criminalize and imprison recreational drug users is unjust and preys on the very society its supposed to serve.
I've lived in other countries with a more relaxed approach to crime, and except for petty theft, they had lower crime rates than America.
It's no secret that the countries that produce recreational drugs don't have drug abuse problems like America does.
The countries where recreational drug use is legal have virtually no drug related crime.
The crime rate in America is as high as it is because virtually everything here is illegal. Manufactured crime is a huge industry in America, especially at the local level, which is far and away the most corrupt segment of our government. Do you think speeding tickets are handed out more often than citations for running red lights and unsafe lane changes because speeding is more dangerous, or because the fines are larger? Speeding isn't more dangerous, so the answer is obvious.
If drugs were legalized, there wouldn't be any street level dealers. No, I don't want a pusher selling drugs to my kids, but I sure as hell don't want my kids thrown in jail for smoking pot.
Ecstasy and LSD aren't nearly as harmful as alcohol is, and I don't hear you calling for a return of the Prohibition.
I think everybody in the country has shoplifted at least once in their lives, usually when they were minors. I'll wager you've done it yourself. Should all of us be locked up? This is the type of behaviour that kids sometimes engage in because they have poor judgement. That's why adults should guide them, not imprison them. I don't want to see Jean ValJean thrown in prison either.
Despite the fact that gambling is extremely destructive, it is legal in this country, while recreational drug use is not. Betting money on a roulette wheel is not a good thing just because it's legal, and using drugs is not a bad thing just because it's illegal. Unjust laws need to be struck down, not overzealously enforced just to raise revenue for corrupt municipalities.
I don't smoke marijuana, and I don't want my kids to smoke it, but it has no proven, long-term, adverse, effects on those who smoke it. A guy who smokes a doobie on Friday night and raids his local 7-11 for pork rinds and other munchies can come into work on Monday morning and perform his job just as well as the guy who went to the gym and ate a healthy meal on Friday night.
I have no problem with you refusing to hire people who smoke pot, but I do have a problem with mandatory drug tests. They're a clear invasion of privacy, and they will eventually become illegal in the private sector. It's ridiculous that employers can violate the civil liberties of all prospective employees by forcing them to pee in a cup, but women can commit infanticide in the name of "privacy." The 4th amendment was written for a reason.
It all comes back to poorly written and repressive laws. Laws should not be enacted with the intent of preying on the public. Many are, and too many people have suffered already because of it.
As a man, I'm personally terrified that there are laws which allow any woman in the country to have me thrown in jail without question on a whim, or out of spite. This law was ostensibly enacted to protect women, but it's used by lying harpies and our crooked criminal justice system to punish innocent men across the country every single day. It doesn't protect women at all. It has caused a lot of violence against women, some of it justified. This obscene law is just the tip of the iceberg.
No knock warrants kill old women. Laws governing them need to be revised or tossed out, along with every other unjust law.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 28, 2006 10:57 PM (bLPT+)
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Jeff,
Ecstasy and LSD aren't nearly as harmful as alcohol is
I would not consider Ecstasy a harmless drug, it causes dehydration, and in some cases heatstroke. People that tried to overcompensate by drinking too much water have also died of water poisoning. It's longterm effect on the Brain has not been assessed either.
In our previous conversation I stated that I supported your call for the removal of a "no knock" warrant except in very rare cases of harm coming to civilians in a resident by members in the household, they should not be used at all.
SWAT teams carry both ballistic shields, body armor, and percussion grenades, they do not need the advantage of kicking down peoples doors in the middle of the night, especially when there is doubt they sufficiently identify themselves as Police Officers.
I actually think that more privacy will be removed in the private sector especially as there are no protections such as the 4th Amendment that apply to private Corporations.
Have you ever had a job that required a credit check? or criminal record check? its out there, I've seen it.
Ecstasy and LSD aren't nearly as harmful as alcohol is
I would not consider Ecstasy a harmless drug, it causes dehydration, and in some cases heatstroke. People that tried to overcompensate by drinking too much water have also died of water poisoning. It's longterm effect on the Brain has not been assessed either.
In our previous conversation I stated that I supported your call for the removal of a "no knock" warrant except in very rare cases of harm coming to civilians in a resident by members in the household, they should not be used at all.
SWAT teams carry both ballistic shields, body armor, and percussion grenades, they do not need the advantage of kicking down peoples doors in the middle of the night, especially when there is doubt they sufficiently identify themselves as Police Officers.
I actually think that more privacy will be removed in the private sector especially as there are no protections such as the 4th Amendment that apply to private Corporations.
Have you ever had a job that required a credit check? or criminal record check? its out there, I've seen it.
Posted by: davec at November 29, 2006 12:18 AM (QkWqQ)
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Davec:
You didn't address most of my points, so I'm going to assume I convinced you.
As you know, I didn't claim ecstasy was harmless, I claimed it wasn't nearly as harmful as alcohol. We both know this is true. The harmful effects of ecstasy are pretty vague, because they haven't been studied properly, but I did have a former user tell me it caused her to have nightmares on a regular basis. I doubt it has many therapeutic benefits.
I'm glad you see the problems with no-knock warrants. I just wish you would see the problem with Gestapo style SWAT teams in general. Those assholes stand in opposition to nearly everything America stands for, and they know it.
Class action lawsuits and other legal actions ensure that the right to privacy will be honored in the private sector in the future. Employers are losing power, not gaining it. I'm an employer too, and the rules I have to dance to get more ridiculous every day. However, some of those rules are justified, and I support them 100%
It seems like nobody is exempt from drug checks these days, but this will change. Not only is it constitutionally illegal, but it's applied in a very discriminatory manner. I haven't had to take one since I entered management, but ALL of my employees have to take them.
It's been nice to debate someone who's able to think. I agree with most of what you write, but the criminal justice system in our country preys on its citizens. It needs a major fucking overhaul.
You didn't address most of my points, so I'm going to assume I convinced you.
As you know, I didn't claim ecstasy was harmless, I claimed it wasn't nearly as harmful as alcohol. We both know this is true. The harmful effects of ecstasy are pretty vague, because they haven't been studied properly, but I did have a former user tell me it caused her to have nightmares on a regular basis. I doubt it has many therapeutic benefits.
I'm glad you see the problems with no-knock warrants. I just wish you would see the problem with Gestapo style SWAT teams in general. Those assholes stand in opposition to nearly everything America stands for, and they know it.
Class action lawsuits and other legal actions ensure that the right to privacy will be honored in the private sector in the future. Employers are losing power, not gaining it. I'm an employer too, and the rules I have to dance to get more ridiculous every day. However, some of those rules are justified, and I support them 100%
It seems like nobody is exempt from drug checks these days, but this will change. Not only is it constitutionally illegal, but it's applied in a very discriminatory manner. I haven't had to take one since I entered management, but ALL of my employees have to take them.
It's been nice to debate someone who's able to think. I agree with most of what you write, but the criminal justice system in our country preys on its citizens. It needs a major fucking overhaul.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 29, 2006 02:32 AM (bLPT+)
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Jeff:
I don't have much time to discuss, I am on a pretty tight deadline and I'm burning the midnight oil --
Re: Ecstasy, I have seen at least five people hospitalized for the above dehydration problem, and was at an event someone died. The use of it in night clubs or "raves" is dangerous due to the heat in the clubs packed with people.
In regards to removing SWAT teams, I believe it would be a bad decision, SWAT teams are highly trained, and weapon proficient.
If you were to ask Policemen to enter a house and secure the location you would see many more people killed e.x: the example of the shooting earlier this week with one Police officer discharging his weapon at least thirty times. You're a cops fan so you may have seen the one where an officer empties his clip through the read window of a car while stood about 2ft from his bumper and the suspect is apprehended uninjured down the road. If you missed "Combat Missions" on USA channel they pitted the Special Forces Green Beret / Navy Seals / SFOD-Delta / SWAT against each other in mixed teams. SWAT predominately won in C.Q.B.
I'll get back on thread tomorrow.
I don't have much time to discuss, I am on a pretty tight deadline and I'm burning the midnight oil --
Re: Ecstasy, I have seen at least five people hospitalized for the above dehydration problem, and was at an event someone died. The use of it in night clubs or "raves" is dangerous due to the heat in the clubs packed with people.
In regards to removing SWAT teams, I believe it would be a bad decision, SWAT teams are highly trained, and weapon proficient.
If you were to ask Policemen to enter a house and secure the location you would see many more people killed e.x: the example of the shooting earlier this week with one Police officer discharging his weapon at least thirty times. You're a cops fan so you may have seen the one where an officer empties his clip through the read window of a car while stood about 2ft from his bumper and the suspect is apprehended uninjured down the road. If you missed "Combat Missions" on USA channel they pitted the Special Forces Green Beret / Navy Seals / SFOD-Delta / SWAT against each other in mixed teams. SWAT predominately won in C.Q.B.
I'll get back on thread tomorrow.
Posted by: davec at November 29, 2006 03:12 AM (QkWqQ)
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Juvenile Court Records are sealed.. at least in this state.
No, I don't watch court tv. I've worked in the court system for the last 8 years.
No, I don't watch court tv. I've worked in the court system for the last 8 years.
Posted by: JeepThang at November 29, 2006 11:20 AM (yZQoS)
Posted by: JeepThang at November 29, 2006 11:20 AM (yZQoS)
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Someone actually moved Jeff up to management? Management of people? Well that's interesting. What company? Just curious because I want to keep an eye on the news for any mass suicides of rank-and-file employees from it in the coming months. Or more satisfying yet, the beating death of a mid-level manager by lower-level employees.
Posted by: HankHardy at November 29, 2006 07:09 PM (a7sMc)
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Davec:
Alcohol is more dangerous than ecstasy, and kills far more people. Drunks can kill other people, but I'm not going to dehydrate because some twenty-nothing popped ecstasy and danced his brains out in a hot, humid room.
Nobody should be carrying out the kinds of raids that killed that old woman, police SWAT, or otherwise.
SWAT teams should be used for their original purpose, not to terrorize and endanger petty drug offenders and the entire neighborhoods they live in.
I don't know what a CQB is, but it sounds like a game to me. I'm not surprised that TWAT teams are good at games. They like to play dress up, after all. (Sometimes like GI Joe, sometimes like the Gestapo or SS, all in black.
Military commandos train the TWAT teams, not the other way around. Commandos are far more effective, especially against the enemy. I will admit that TWAT teams are much better at killing Americans--especially the innocent ones.
Alcohol is more dangerous than ecstasy, and kills far more people. Drunks can kill other people, but I'm not going to dehydrate because some twenty-nothing popped ecstasy and danced his brains out in a hot, humid room.
Nobody should be carrying out the kinds of raids that killed that old woman, police SWAT, or otherwise.
SWAT teams should be used for their original purpose, not to terrorize and endanger petty drug offenders and the entire neighborhoods they live in.
I don't know what a CQB is, but it sounds like a game to me. I'm not surprised that TWAT teams are good at games. They like to play dress up, after all. (Sometimes like GI Joe, sometimes like the Gestapo or SS, all in black.
Military commandos train the TWAT teams, not the other way around. Commandos are far more effective, especially against the enemy. I will admit that TWAT teams are much better at killing Americans--especially the innocent ones.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 29, 2006 08:33 PM (bLPT+)
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Jeep Thang:
Juvenile court records are only sealed if the juvenile in question forces the courts to do so when he turns 18. Even then, police and prosecutors know that there is a sealed record, and regularly use that information in adult court trials. I suspect you already know this.
It's a moot point, because throwing kids in jail for petty, first time offenses can damage them for life, and lead to even more criminal behaviour. No doubt you'd like to see one of your children locked up if they commited a first offense like petty drug possession. No doubt.
If the defendant is over 18, it's even worse. Here in Omaha, Nebraska, they throw 18 year old kids in jail for jay-walking(!) and unpaid traffic tickets. This is complete bull-shit, and a travesty of justice.
Punishing petty drug users for their own self destuctive behaviour is idiotic, un-American, and a clear violation of a person's constitutional rights--despite the oppressive rulings of our corrupt courts.
I don't watch court TV either. It glorifies a corrupt and incompetent criminal justice system. I get physically nauseous if I have to watch it for more than 5 minutes.
I do think every American should watch "Judge Judy" at least once. She typifies the overweening arrogance and stupidity of most Judges in this country. The public needs to be aware that most Judges think they know better than everyone else on every subject.
If you work in the court system, you know that this is true.
If you don't want to be insulted by an adult, don't make juvenile suggestions. Why would I want to visit the hyper partisan website you linked? The people there wouldn't say shit if they had a mouthfull. Anybody who dressus up in camouflage fatigues to bust a pot smoker's door down has serious issues. Every adult was thirteen once, but all of us non-morons grew out of it.
I'm still waiting for a photo of a slim, attractive female cop. After police fired over 50 rounds into a car at unarmed men in New York City yesterday, they showed some female cops on the news. They were so obese, the steering wheels on their police cruisers jammed six inches into their corpulent guts--even though the seats were obviously pushed all the way back. Disgusting. They wouldn't even fit through the front door of their local Krispy Kreme. They ought to be helping Aqua Man fight crime with the other whales, not wasting the tax dollars of NYC on size 55 police uniforms and jobs they aren't qualified for.
I wonder how orcas like that are supposed to "protect the public," much less fight crime. They couldn't run ten feet if Brad Pitt were holding a box of chocolate at the finish line.
"Knock, knock!"
"Who's there?"
"Yorded."
"Yorded who?"
"You're dead, granny! 'Blam, blam blam! Budda, budda, budda!' Yee-haw! That'll teach yas to live in the same house wit' a drug dealer! The same drug dealer we didn't arrest when he sold us the fucking drugs in the first place! We're just doing our jobs. Hey Bill, your ass looks really cute in those fatigues. Are those Victoria's Secret, or Army Navy?"
You don't think that was funny? Neither did granny, but she's too fucking dead to complain about it.
Juvenile court records are only sealed if the juvenile in question forces the courts to do so when he turns 18. Even then, police and prosecutors know that there is a sealed record, and regularly use that information in adult court trials. I suspect you already know this.
It's a moot point, because throwing kids in jail for petty, first time offenses can damage them for life, and lead to even more criminal behaviour. No doubt you'd like to see one of your children locked up if they commited a first offense like petty drug possession. No doubt.
If the defendant is over 18, it's even worse. Here in Omaha, Nebraska, they throw 18 year old kids in jail for jay-walking(!) and unpaid traffic tickets. This is complete bull-shit, and a travesty of justice.
Punishing petty drug users for their own self destuctive behaviour is idiotic, un-American, and a clear violation of a person's constitutional rights--despite the oppressive rulings of our corrupt courts.
I don't watch court TV either. It glorifies a corrupt and incompetent criminal justice system. I get physically nauseous if I have to watch it for more than 5 minutes.
I do think every American should watch "Judge Judy" at least once. She typifies the overweening arrogance and stupidity of most Judges in this country. The public needs to be aware that most Judges think they know better than everyone else on every subject.
If you work in the court system, you know that this is true.
If you don't want to be insulted by an adult, don't make juvenile suggestions. Why would I want to visit the hyper partisan website you linked? The people there wouldn't say shit if they had a mouthfull. Anybody who dressus up in camouflage fatigues to bust a pot smoker's door down has serious issues. Every adult was thirteen once, but all of us non-morons grew out of it.
I'm still waiting for a photo of a slim, attractive female cop. After police fired over 50 rounds into a car at unarmed men in New York City yesterday, they showed some female cops on the news. They were so obese, the steering wheels on their police cruisers jammed six inches into their corpulent guts--even though the seats were obviously pushed all the way back. Disgusting. They wouldn't even fit through the front door of their local Krispy Kreme. They ought to be helping Aqua Man fight crime with the other whales, not wasting the tax dollars of NYC on size 55 police uniforms and jobs they aren't qualified for.
I wonder how orcas like that are supposed to "protect the public," much less fight crime. They couldn't run ten feet if Brad Pitt were holding a box of chocolate at the finish line.
"Knock, knock!"
"Who's there?"
"Yorded."
"Yorded who?"
"You're dead, granny! 'Blam, blam blam! Budda, budda, budda!' Yee-haw! That'll teach yas to live in the same house wit' a drug dealer! The same drug dealer we didn't arrest when he sold us the fucking drugs in the first place! We're just doing our jobs. Hey Bill, your ass looks really cute in those fatigues. Are those Victoria's Secret, or Army Navy?"
You don't think that was funny? Neither did granny, but she's too fucking dead to complain about it.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 29, 2006 09:13 PM (bLPT+)
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Hank Hardly:
Losers always resent management. They think they can do the job better, which is pretty funny considering their positions in life. Competent workers get promoted, the rest just whine.
I see you provided a list of your favorite links. I didn't see doghnut dunking cop porn in there, but I guess even those perverts in San Fransisco would balk at that.
How are those no-knock warrants working out in Milwaukee? Is crime still through the roof and rising steadily? Maybe they need to shoot a few old ladies, and stop letting guys like Jeffrey Dahmer walk off with his next victim--who just happened to be naked, gibbering in a foreign language, and bleeding from his anus. More of that top-notch police work you keep bragging about.
Losers always resent management. They think they can do the job better, which is pretty funny considering their positions in life. Competent workers get promoted, the rest just whine.
I see you provided a list of your favorite links. I didn't see doghnut dunking cop porn in there, but I guess even those perverts in San Fransisco would balk at that.
How are those no-knock warrants working out in Milwaukee? Is crime still through the roof and rising steadily? Maybe they need to shoot a few old ladies, and stop letting guys like Jeffrey Dahmer walk off with his next victim--who just happened to be naked, gibbering in a foreign language, and bleeding from his anus. More of that top-notch police work you keep bragging about.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 29, 2006 09:24 PM (bLPT+)
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And speaking of bleeding through the anus, how's life treating you these days, Jeff?
No, I don't resent management at all...the good ones are truly good - a
group of which I can't even fathom you might be included. But I guess
it's true, people sometimes are promoted to their level of incompetence
-- at which you'll likely remain for the rest of your pissed-off little
life.
As for my sub-standard "station in life," I'm a senior copywriter at
the Milwaukee offices of Chicago advertising agency. In my role, I
answer directly to a Group Creative Director. Lovely woman and not only
sharp as a tack, but exceptionally even-tempered and emotionally
mature.
So besides the fact I likely make in 5 months what you'll make in all
2006, I have the opportunity to see close-up how real management works.
Try it yourself some day; you may excel at it (doubtful.)
And we haven't had a SWAT team shoot an old lady on a no-knock in, oh, must be six or seven days now. Idiot.
No, I don't resent management at all...the good ones are truly good - a
group of which I can't even fathom you might be included. But I guess
it's true, people sometimes are promoted to their level of incompetence
-- at which you'll likely remain for the rest of your pissed-off little
life.
As for my sub-standard "station in life," I'm a senior copywriter at
the Milwaukee offices of Chicago advertising agency. In my role, I
answer directly to a Group Creative Director. Lovely woman and not only
sharp as a tack, but exceptionally even-tempered and emotionally
mature.
So besides the fact I likely make in 5 months what you'll make in all
2006, I have the opportunity to see close-up how real management works.
Try it yourself some day; you may excel at it (doubtful.)
And we haven't had a SWAT team shoot an old lady on a no-knock in, oh, must be six or seven days now. Idiot.
Posted by: HankHardy at November 29, 2006 09:59 PM (a7sMc)
Posted by: JeepThang at November 29, 2006 10:58 PM (yZQoS)
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Jeff:
Alcohol is more dangerous than ecstasy, and kills far more people. Drunks can kill other people, but I'm not going to dehydrate because some twenty-nothing popped ecstasy and danced his brains out in a hot, humid room.
The law DUI -- driving under the influence applies to both alcohol and drugs, arguing the actions of what occurs under the influence, be it drugs, or alcohol is plain silly, people have killed people while intoxicated by pcp, cocaine or Jack Daniels, both driving and in violent assaults.
I don't know what a CQB is, but it sounds like a game to me.
CQB stands for "Close Quarter Battle" and is the technique of assaulting, and using weapons in confined places e.g buildings.
Alcohol is more dangerous than ecstasy, and kills far more people. Drunks can kill other people, but I'm not going to dehydrate because some twenty-nothing popped ecstasy and danced his brains out in a hot, humid room.
The law DUI -- driving under the influence applies to both alcohol and drugs, arguing the actions of what occurs under the influence, be it drugs, or alcohol is plain silly, people have killed people while intoxicated by pcp, cocaine or Jack Daniels, both driving and in violent assaults.
I don't know what a CQB is, but it sounds like a game to me.
CQB stands for "Close Quarter Battle" and is the technique of assaulting, and using weapons in confined places e.g buildings.
Posted by: davec at November 29, 2006 11:03 PM (yaQM4)
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Laws concerning DUI have nothing to do with who gets killed and who doesn't. It's illegal to "drive under the influence" whether you kill anyone or not. PCP isn't ecstasy, and it's a lot easier to drink yourself to death than ecstasy yourself to death. I've never heard of someone killing other people due to ecstasy induced rage or negligence.
Unless the TWAT teams killed their military opponents in "Close Quarter Combat," it was just a fucking game. I'm pretty sure I saw that crap on Spike TV, and it was a joke.
Unless the TWAT teams killed their military opponents in "Close Quarter Combat," it was just a fucking game. I'm pretty sure I saw that crap on Spike TV, and it was a joke.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 30, 2006 12:44 AM (bLPT+)
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Creep Thang:
If you want me to die, I can always move to Atlanta and wait for the goon squad to serve a no-knock warrant. I guess anybody who criticizes over the top, incompetent, and overzealous police practices deserves to die, huh? And I'm not even an old lady.
If you want me to die, I can always move to Atlanta and wait for the goon squad to serve a no-knock warrant. I guess anybody who criticizes over the top, incompetent, and overzealous police practices deserves to die, huh? And I'm not even an old lady.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 30, 2006 12:47 AM (bLPT+)
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Hank Hardly:
Nobody who brags about their income makes any money, and copywriting is a home for the mediocre. Most ad agencies have no clue how to market a product. The top ad agencies in the country are responsible for TV commercials, and most commercials are completely out of touch with their market audiences. Your writing doesn't even reach the level of sub-standard.
As I don't live in Milwaukee, I don't know much about bleeding anuses, but I'm sure you or the MPD could tell me all about it. A woman pretending to be a man is sure to know more about it than I am, and the only way you're not a woman is if you're a flaming fem.
By the way, killing old ladies is still wrong--even in Milwaukee.
Nobody who brags about their income makes any money, and copywriting is a home for the mediocre. Most ad agencies have no clue how to market a product. The top ad agencies in the country are responsible for TV commercials, and most commercials are completely out of touch with their market audiences. Your writing doesn't even reach the level of sub-standard.
As I don't live in Milwaukee, I don't know much about bleeding anuses, but I'm sure you or the MPD could tell me all about it. A woman pretending to be a man is sure to know more about it than I am, and the only way you're not a woman is if you're a flaming fem.
By the way, killing old ladies is still wrong--even in Milwaukee.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 30, 2006 12:56 AM (bLPT+)
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A "fem?" No, you're a fem, a big ... fem. What, are we back in fourth grade?
I don't know much about bleeding anuses...
Don't be so modest Jeff; I'm sure you and your NAMBLA friends could go on and on about bleeding anuses.
Nobody who brags about their income makes any money
Oh-oh ... I'm breaking the rules then I guess. Oh, and now besides being steeped in forensics and law enforcement, you're also a marketing expert? Is that what your "management" experience lies? Gah.
Most ad agencies have no clue how to market a product. The top ad
agencies in the country are responsible for TV commercials, and most
commercials are completely out of touch with their market audiences.
Oh, and now besides being steeped in forensics and law enforcement,
you're also a marketing expert? Is that what your "management"
experience lies? Well, my agency's been going since 1955. I think we'll last a few more years. By the way, what's a "market audience?" Do you mean a "target market" or a "target audience?" Jeff, please don't try to sound all intelligent ... you just get mixed up and make an ass of yourself.
If you want me to die, I can always move to Atlanta and wait for the goon squad to serve a no-knock warrant.
But what if they don't have any openings for Second-Assistant-Nightshift-and-Weekend Managers at the Burger Kings in Atlanta? You'd starve before they could shoot you. Wait a second ... maybe you should check it out.
By the way, killing old ladies is still wrong--even in Milwaukee.
Well, in any event, you'd better hope they don't start shooting registered pedophiles with no-knocks in Omaha. You'd be SOL. Unless you sicked your wife on 'em. I hear she's a real throat kicker.
I don't know much about bleeding anuses...
Don't be so modest Jeff; I'm sure you and your NAMBLA friends could go on and on about bleeding anuses.
Nobody who brags about their income makes any money
Oh-oh ... I'm breaking the rules then I guess. Oh, and now besides being steeped in forensics and law enforcement, you're also a marketing expert? Is that what your "management" experience lies? Gah.
Most ad agencies have no clue how to market a product. The top ad
agencies in the country are responsible for TV commercials, and most
commercials are completely out of touch with their market audiences.
Oh, and now besides being steeped in forensics and law enforcement,
you're also a marketing expert? Is that what your "management"
experience lies? Well, my agency's been going since 1955. I think we'll last a few more years. By the way, what's a "market audience?" Do you mean a "target market" or a "target audience?" Jeff, please don't try to sound all intelligent ... you just get mixed up and make an ass of yourself.
If you want me to die, I can always move to Atlanta and wait for the goon squad to serve a no-knock warrant.
But what if they don't have any openings for Second-Assistant-Nightshift-and-Weekend Managers at the Burger Kings in Atlanta? You'd starve before they could shoot you. Wait a second ... maybe you should check it out.
By the way, killing old ladies is still wrong--even in Milwaukee.
Well, in any event, you'd better hope they don't start shooting registered pedophiles with no-knocks in Omaha. You'd be SOL. Unless you sicked your wife on 'em. I hear she's a real throat kicker.
Posted by: HankHardy at November 30, 2006 01:16 AM (a7sMc)
Posted by: davec at November 30, 2006 12:18 PM (yaQM4)
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Hank Hardly:
Your comments have degenerated into nothing but peurile personal attacks--not that they were ever much more than that. Your mindless defense of police incompetence and murder were contemptible, but your lame personal attacks and unsolicited correction of my typos are just plain weak.
I have no reason to believe a thing you write, and you're obviously a moron. Here's looking at you.....geting your empty head blown off during a no-knock warrant issued to the wrong address. Or, if you prefer the classics, here's looking at you.....sucking mu dick.
I still know you aren't a man, and killing innocent old ladies is wrong.
Your comments have degenerated into nothing but peurile personal attacks--not that they were ever much more than that. Your mindless defense of police incompetence and murder were contemptible, but your lame personal attacks and unsolicited correction of my typos are just plain weak.
I have no reason to believe a thing you write, and you're obviously a moron. Here's looking at you.....geting your empty head blown off during a no-knock warrant issued to the wrong address. Or, if you prefer the classics, here's looking at you.....sucking mu dick.
I still know you aren't a man, and killing innocent old ladies is wrong.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 30, 2006 04:43 PM (bLPT+)
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Davec:
We're down to a single point. I assume you've conceded all the others.
QCB competitions are games. The players can call them competitions, excercises, or play-acting, but they're games. The military's finest don't even bother with them.
Wikipedia is a joke. It's edited by guys like DidddleFuck and Salaam alyinkunt. I've never read a single entry that wasn't severely flawed, at the very least.
We're down to a single point. I assume you've conceded all the others.
QCB competitions are games. The players can call them competitions, excercises, or play-acting, but they're games. The military's finest don't even bother with them.
Wikipedia is a joke. It's edited by guys like DidddleFuck and Salaam alyinkunt. I've never read a single entry that wasn't severely flawed, at the very least.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 30, 2006 04:52 PM (bLPT+)
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I moved to the other thread Jeff, the 50 shots one -- it is fresher.
The militaries finest don't even mess with it? the Navy SEALS, SFOD-Delta and the British SAS all train in CQB in their mock 'kill houses' the Marines use the same "Miles Laser Gear" that was used in the show to practice both CQB and MOUT.
Re: Wikipedia, I don't really see a problem in the article, but if you don't like the source there are thousands of articles written about CQB, most likely at .mil sites too.
The militaries finest don't even mess with it? the Navy SEALS, SFOD-Delta and the British SAS all train in CQB in their mock 'kill houses' the Marines use the same "Miles Laser Gear" that was used in the show to practice both CQB and MOUT.
Re: Wikipedia, I don't really see a problem in the article, but if you don't like the source there are thousands of articles written about CQB, most likely at .mil sites too.
Posted by: davec at November 30, 2006 05:56 PM (yaQM4)
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Your comments have degenerated into nothing but peurile personal attacks
Ladies and gentlemen, the blackest kettle of them all cries foul. This isn't a circle jerking club. Your words. So cry me a fucking river.
You want peurility, scroll through your responses to other posters who took issue with your hyper-combative rhetoric.
Ladies and gentlemen, the blackest kettle of them all cries foul. This isn't a circle jerking club. Your words. So cry me a fucking river.
You want peurility, scroll through your responses to other posters who took issue with your hyper-combative rhetoric.
Posted by: HankHardy at November 30, 2006 08:37 PM (a7sMc)
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Davec:
I wrote that the military's finest don't bother with CQB competitions. I didn't write that they don't bother with CQB training.
Not that TWAT teams are better at killing an embedded enemy than commandoes (they're too pussified to take the proper risks, even if they were as competent,) but being good at killing the public is nothing to be proud of.
I wrote that the military's finest don't bother with CQB competitions. I didn't write that they don't bother with CQB training.
Not that TWAT teams are better at killing an embedded enemy than commandoes (they're too pussified to take the proper risks, even if they were as competent,) but being good at killing the public is nothing to be proud of.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 30, 2006 09:19 PM (bLPT+)
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Hank Handjob:
Learn the difference between puerile insults, and insulting refutations. It's a matter of substance. Your comments have none--dude looks like a lady.
Learn the difference between puerile insults, and insulting refutations. It's a matter of substance. Your comments have none--dude looks like a lady.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 30, 2006 09:21 PM (bLPT+)
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Learn the difference between puerile insults, and insulting refutations.
Learn the fact that there is no difference, douchebag. You either refute or you insult. And if your "substance" need to be propped up by insults, guess you're not nearly as clever as you think, supercilious phrases and all.
So long, Geek.
Learn the fact that there is no difference, douchebag. You either refute or you insult. And if your "substance" need to be propped up by insults, guess you're not nearly as clever as you think, supercilious phrases and all.
So long, Geek.
Posted by: HankHardy at November 30, 2006 10:28 PM (a7sMc)
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herbals@drugs.com
Posted by: how to last longer in sex at June 05, 2007 10:45 AM (GDKMt)
October 23, 2006
Barbaric
African-Ethiopian-American conducts in-home female circumcision.
On a two year old. Using scissors.
Oh, yeah, allegedly.
stein hoist: Coach TC at Sondra's.
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Set his ass on a log, nail his balls to said log, give him a dull, rusty knife then set the log on fire with lots of gasoline.
Posted by: 1sttofight at October 23, 2006 11:14 PM (UxDGU)
Posted by: Randman at October 23, 2006 11:20 PM (Sal3J)
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Kneecap the bastard.
Posted by: Subvet at October 24, 2006 12:58 AM (DNVxw)
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I have no comment except I turned my head in horror and shame that I exist in a world where a man would do that to his daughter.
A good man once said, "Evil is real and must be opposed." How right he was.
Poor little girl.
I think about this on many different levels. I think about the pure agony she endured. I think about my girlfriend and the sexual pleasure we share and that she will never enjoy this to that extent. I think about the crazy culture/religion/beliefs of her dad and how awful that is. Her own dad did this to her because, of course, God created the clitoris because he's a friggin' idiot so it's up to people to cut it off.
How insane this man is and anyone who would do this act. How evil they are: How Satanic and not of God they are. But then what else is new?
This is the enemy we have.
A good man once said, "Evil is real and must be opposed." How right he was.
Poor little girl.
I think about this on many different levels. I think about the pure agony she endured. I think about my girlfriend and the sexual pleasure we share and that she will never enjoy this to that extent. I think about the crazy culture/religion/beliefs of her dad and how awful that is. Her own dad did this to her because, of course, God created the clitoris because he's a friggin' idiot so it's up to people to cut it off.
How insane this man is and anyone who would do this act. How evil they are: How Satanic and not of God they are. But then what else is new?
This is the enemy we have.
Posted by: Christoph at October 24, 2006 01:45 AM (L8rdZ)
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Africa Ethiopian AMERIICAN: As I've said many time before. A piece of paper doesn't make an American. This turd is an African Ethiopian not an American.
Posted by: Greyrooster at October 24, 2006 06:14 AM (zqSqi)
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 24, 2006 07:57 AM (8e/V4)
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 24, 2006 07:58 AM (8e/V4)
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Technically an inhuman piece of shit. And yes, all the above. He's still working at a gas station in Snellville? Hmmm. I wonder where that is? hint hint His ugly mug is just hankering for a size 12 bootprint!
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 24, 2006 01:10 PM (Dd86v)
Posted by: Nell at October 24, 2006 04:32 PM (8VZm2)
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Is he really Yermom?
Posted by: Greyrooster at October 24, 2006 06:45 PM (zqSqi)
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I'd pay a dollar to see it.
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 24, 2006 08:39 PM (Dd86v)
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American huh. He's a black muslim. The worst of the worst. Bet 10 to 1 he voted for Kerry.
Posted by: Greyrooster at October 26, 2006 06:42 AM (zqSqi)
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I heard that!
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 26, 2006 09:57 AM (Dd86v)
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Gotcha!!
Posted by: Greyrooster at October 27, 2006 12:03 AM (eqF9P)
October 20, 2006
We're Not Going To Die Yet, But He's Going To Be Very Sore Update
The little boy who cried "dirty bomb" could be headed for a federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison near you.
No word about his partner in idiocy from Texas yet.
I'm guessing there's a healthy platoon of ACLU lawyers headed up there to defend his free speech rights, not realizing this is the online equivalent of yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.
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Yep, this guy could be very screwed. . . He threatened seven stadiums, which means he could get nailed in multiple jurisdictions, not just by the Feds. One count of terroristic threat in each state which had a football stadium. They could literally bounce this guy from one horny state prison to another for the rest of his butt-f***ed life.
Posted by: Ansar Al-kuffir at October 20, 2006 12:27 PM (KjO46)
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at October 20, 2006 01:42 PM (vixLB)
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Hey Now!
Look on the bright side...being a "Prison Bitch", with the possibilty of parole, can't be all bad. Praise Allah Loser!!! How about them COWBOYS!!!
Look on the bright side...being a "Prison Bitch", with the possibilty of parole, can't be all bad. Praise Allah Loser!!! How about them COWBOYS!!!
Posted by: JihadGene at October 20, 2006 02:41 PM (ywiyu)
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Comrades,
And there's always the very real threat of civil lawsuits against him by the 7 NFL franchises that were threatened, the various vendors and ticket outlets that support them, parking lots, etc, for lost revenues. That boy'll end up working for next to nothing for the rest of his life.
Well, that's one moonbat down and a few million more to go...
Respects,
Gwedd
And there's always the very real threat of civil lawsuits against him by the 7 NFL franchises that were threatened, the various vendors and ticket outlets that support them, parking lots, etc, for lost revenues. That boy'll end up working for next to nothing for the rest of his life.
Well, that's one moonbat down and a few million more to go...
Respects,
Gwedd
Posted by: Gwedd at October 20, 2006 04:41 PM (8hKJB)
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Was he nickname, Yermom? If so, please send him to a Louisiana prison.
Posted by: Greyrooster at October 20, 2006 11:36 PM (AP2ro)
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Nice pretty white boy of 20? He'll own every cigarette in the joint inside of two weeks.
Posted by: Subvet at October 21, 2006 03:12 AM (DNVxw)
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Guys, if you think that sending this piece of shit lefturd to prison is
punishing him, think again; he'll be kept at the expense of the
taxpayers - that's us - for the duration of his sentence; he'll have
the best medical care, lots of free time, and all the sweaty man-sex
with big black men that he wants, which seems to be all that any
lefturd wants. If you really want to punish him, send him to
Afghanistan or Iraq and let the muji's have him, and he'll die at the
hand of America's finest like all the other scum. A good lefturd is a
dead one.
punishing him, think again; he'll be kept at the expense of the
taxpayers - that's us - for the duration of his sentence; he'll have
the best medical care, lots of free time, and all the sweaty man-sex
with big black men that he wants, which seems to be all that any
lefturd wants. If you really want to punish him, send him to
Afghanistan or Iraq and let the muji's have him, and he'll die at the
hand of America's finest like all the other scum. A good lefturd is a
dead one.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 21, 2006 09:50 AM (v3I+x)
October 02, 2006
Maybe To You, But Not To Me
If "The Godfather" or "Goodfellas" is your only source of information about the Mafia, this may seem to be a shock to you.
WASHINGTON - The
FBI's top counterterrorism official harbors lots of concerns: weapons of mass destruction, undetected homegrown terrorists and the possibility that old-fashioned mobsters will team up with al-Qaida for the right price.Though there is no direct evidence yet of organized crime collaborating with terrorists, the first hints of a connection surfaced in a recent undercover FBI operation. Agents stopped a man with alleged mob ties from selling missiles to an informant posing as a terrorist middleman.
I can't find a link to a story, but I remember it being reported that some mobsters were busted trying to heist steel from the place where all of the WTC debris was being stored.
The Mafia is nothing but greedy. If they can make a buck, they'll do it, even if it means the destruction of the country that has given them the freedom to flourish. They are the consummate Enemy Within.
Ignore the soft sell of Hollywood, La Cosa Nostra would happily provide the tools to destroy this country if they could get rich doing it. They've weathered and adapted to all sorts of changes for centuries.
Ironically enough, the only thing that put the brakes on the Mafia was Mussolini's fascism. But, they're not all that bright. It wouldn't shock me in the least to see them cooperating with Islamofascism.
I still like the Sopranos, though.
BTW, while Hollywood may have a soft spot for the mob, publishers don't. There are a ton of books to read that show the true nature of these terrorists who have been operating in this country for decades. Too many to list. Although I would recommend reading "Donnie Brasco." The movie did not do this book any justice whatsoever.
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But the mafia are Catholics. Oh, that doesn't count anymore. The pope has apologized.
Posted by: greyrooster at October 02, 2006 07:57 AM (dj6iX)
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If the mobsters won't sell weapons to make a buck, crooked business persons will a la the Oil-for-food scandal. This mirrors how the Vikings raided coastal Europe for captives to sell to the Turks for use as slaves and concubines, and how Europeans traders sold iron and swords and cannon to the Ottomans and other Muslims even as the Ottomans pushed into Europe.
Posted by: Mark James at October 02, 2006 10:38 AM (7Wbdv)
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Vinnie, I'd think that given your love for the unions, which are just mob fronts, you'd be on board with the mafia.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 03, 2006 11:39 AM (v3I+x)
September 29, 2006
Rethinking Plan Colombia
Here is the third and final installment of The Christian Science Monitors series on the drug war in Columbia.
Dana Harman at CSM: Sandro Calvani, director of the UN’s office on Drugs and Crime in Colombia (UNODC) argues that Plan Colombia’s heavy focus on aerial spraying needs to be supplemented with increased efforts to deal with the social and economic roots of Colombia’s coca industry. Specifically, he wants the US and others in the international community to offer real strategies for rural development that would ensure alternative livelihoods for poor farmers who face destruction of their chief cash crop.“Why do Colombians go back to replanting coca? Because it’s easy, and no one talks to them about doing something else,†says Calvani. The alternative development programs that have been attempted, he says, show clear, impressive results. A UNODC survey released in June shows that 70 percent of the fields eradicated through Plan Colombia are replanted. But if farmers receive alternative development assistance, states Calvani, the percentage of coca fields replanted dives to 3 percent, with the likes of coffee, hearts of palm, and red beans being planted instead: “Once coca peasants live on licit crops for one year, they never go back to the illicit economy.â€
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The Taliban had severe laws against opium production.
Gas pipe lines are not the only fruit of the war in Afghanistan. One consequence of the “Democratization†of Afghanistan has been a huge increase in the production of opium and a concomitant increase in heroin production.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2361453.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2568027.stm
The CIA has funded covert operations by engaging in drug trafficking for decades.
Gas pipe lines are not the only fruit of the war in Afghanistan. One consequence of the “Democratization†of Afghanistan has been a huge increase in the production of opium and a concomitant increase in heroin production.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2361453.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2568027.stm
The CIA has funded covert operations by engaging in drug trafficking for decades.
Posted by: Greg at September 29, 2006 12:50 PM (PnoGS)
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Yeah, but coca bushes take two years to mature. Saying they had been replanted doesn't mean that everything's hunky-dory.
Posted by: See-Dub at September 29, 2006 01:23 PM (gvIVm)
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I've already had my say on the issue of the War on Some Drugs and how the war, not the drugs, is destroying America -- and, it seems, Colombia.
Posted by: Michael Hampton at September 29, 2006 02:01 PM (vhWf1)
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Taliban Greg, you're idea of sawing the heads off of drug traffikers in soccer stadiums is not gonna fly. I wouldn't have thought you supported capitol punishment.
Posted by: QC at September 29, 2006 02:59 PM (PX+vn)
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I just bought another Michele Malkin book to help her through this outrage. Everybody do what you can.
Posted by: bubbe at September 29, 2006 03:05 PM (vZBQO)
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If the U.S. were really interested in policing opium production in Afghanistan they could do so without resorting to beheadings.
Clearly there is no interest on the part of the U.S. government to stem the tide of opium production in Afghanistan. The fact that Afghanistan is producing 90% of the world’s opium and heroin under U.S. occupation is no coincidence. The global elitists are Mafiosi.
The GWOT is about stealing treasure and reaping huge profits. Now go fight for your Mafiosi masters, you ignorant pawns.
Clearly there is no interest on the part of the U.S. government to stem the tide of opium production in Afghanistan. The fact that Afghanistan is producing 90% of the world’s opium and heroin under U.S. occupation is no coincidence. The global elitists are Mafiosi.
The GWOT is about stealing treasure and reaping huge profits. Now go fight for your Mafiosi masters, you ignorant pawns.
Posted by: Greg at September 29, 2006 03:28 PM (/+dAV)
September 28, 2006
CSM Drug War Series Part II
Plan Colombia: Big gains, but cocaine still flows. That is the title of today’s segement. Despite billions of dollars an lives spent the supply of drugs flowing from Columbia still increased last year.
Dana Harman at The Christian Science Monitor: In total, since the eradication program began in 1994 (and particularly since it was ramped up in 2000), 986,925 hectares of coca plant and opium poppy have been destroyed— an area equivalent to the states of Rhode Island and Delaware combined.Drug seizures are another pillar of the plan, and here too, there are results. Two hundred and twenty five tons of cocaine hydrochloride and cocaine base were seized in 2005, up from 125 tons in 2002, and the number of clandestine drug labs destroyed soared to nearly 2,000 last year from 317 in 2000, according to a July study by Colombia’s National Narcotics Directorate (DNE).
Despite these unprecedented eradication efforts, coca cultivation actually increased last year by 8 percent, to 86,000 hectares, according to a study released in June by the UN Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC). More significantly, the amount of cocaine being produced is also increasing. According to DNE Colombia produced 776 metric tons of cocaine last year, 231 more than previous US estimates, and enough to supply almost 80 percent of the entire world market.
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Posted by: Al at September 28, 2006 10:16 AM (dDG8P)
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What a colossal waste of money and lives the War on Drugs has been.
Cocaine may well be one of the most terrible substances on earth, but is it worth it for us to spend so many billions of tax dollars on a program of eliminating supply that simply isn't working? And what about the morality -- actually, lack thereof -- of pointing a gun at the guy on the street who is buying the stuff?
Back to basic economics, people. Reduce supply, the price goes up. When that happens, because the product is entirely illegal, then it's controlled by a large, thriving black market, entirely of our own creation, which results in people needlessly getting ripped off and/or killed.
If you want to solve the "drug problem," you have to do two things: First, realize that the "War on Drugs" IS the root cause of the problem.
Cocaine may well be one of the most terrible substances on earth, but is it worth it for us to spend so many billions of tax dollars on a program of eliminating supply that simply isn't working? And what about the morality -- actually, lack thereof -- of pointing a gun at the guy on the street who is buying the stuff?
Back to basic economics, people. Reduce supply, the price goes up. When that happens, because the product is entirely illegal, then it's controlled by a large, thriving black market, entirely of our own creation, which results in people needlessly getting ripped off and/or killed.
If you want to solve the "drug problem," you have to do two things: First, realize that the "War on Drugs" IS the root cause of the problem.
Posted by: Michael Hampton at September 28, 2006 02:11 PM (FVbj6)
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My older sister is married to a crackhead. He wasn't always a crackhead, but became one about 7 years ago or so. They have an 11 and a 9 year old. They have lost a house, a business and potentially could lose their second house. How is economics going to fix this situation? He has almost killed himself now, if he can get more for the same amount of money, he surely will kill himself and probably take someone with him.
It sounds like projection to me: the War on Drugs is a failure and a waste of money, let us stop this war and everything will be just fine.
It sounds like projection to me: the War on Drugs is a failure and a waste of money, let us stop this war and everything will be just fine.
Posted by: Fersboo at September 28, 2006 02:32 PM (x0fj6)
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you need to write him off. Crack is a product of the smugglers. We're not talking original coca cola here. Someone starts hitting the crack pipe or injecting drugs the person you knew is dead. Chances of him coming back. Very slim. Sorry but it's the truth. Thats the problem the crackheads and junkies are a problem. But the rest get lumped in with them. I don't see much difference in a guy on the porch having a beer or smoking some pot in the evening. But the law does.
Posted by: Howie at September 28, 2006 02:38 PM (YdcZ0)
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I don't give a rat's ass about him, but what about my sister and my two nephews? We have to let crack flow freely because a bunch of no-prospect slackers what do sit around getting stoned? Good to see that we are worried about everybody feeling good.
Posted by: Fersboo at September 28, 2006 03:16 PM (x0fj6)
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I must agree with everyone else here: the drug war is not effective.
as long as i, a mere child, am able to buy cocaine at "lunchtime" during school...
the drug war is not working.
as long as i, a mere child, am able to buy cocaine at "lunchtime" during school...
the drug war is not working.
Posted by: morgan at September 28, 2006 05:19 PM (Vkea9)
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Fersboo: I feel for you man. The best you can do is advise her to get away. To force the choice to come. Helping doesn't help if they won't make the tough choice. Watch out for the kids but don't let him use them to enable himself. Hopefully she will come around and get out of there. Then the ball is in his court. Oh and pray a lot. I'll be thinking of them we should keep them in our prayers.
Posted by: Howie at September 28, 2006 07:58 PM (YdcZ0)
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greg that better not be you. If it isn't email me.
Posted by: Howie at September 28, 2006 08:02 PM (YdcZ0)
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Jawa report?
Posted by: greyrooster at September 29, 2006 06:25 AM (nULxl)
AWOL Soldier Suzanne Swift Charged
(Eugene, Oregon) As one of only a handful of female soldiers among hundreds of young, testosterone-charged male soldiers, U.S. Army Specialist Suzanne Swift (pic) was logically approached. Swift claims she was also sexually harassed and abused. As a result, Swift went AWOL (absent without leave) for six months before she was arrested by authorities in June.
From The Register-Guard:
She said she refused to return to Iraq in January because she feared she would be subjected to a repeat of the sexually charged atmosphere that plagued her first deployment.An Army spokesman indicated that Swift has been charged with being absent without leave and missing movement. It's not clear whether she'll face a court-martial or non-judicial punishment.From February 2004 to February 2005 she was stationed in Karbala as a military police officer.
To a degree, Swift's allegations have been supported by Army investigators, however, according to Ft. Lewis spokesman Joseph Piek, "In this investigation, she has never claimed that she was abused or raped." Nonetheless, the website, SuzanneSwift.org, claims actual rape occurred in addition to sexual harassment. A 'private therapist' also weighed in with a diagnosis of Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome.
Meanwhile, Spc. Swift's case has become the cause du jour for the leftist crowd, including the left-leaning media. Peace activists and feminists, in particular, have recharged their noise-making neurons. Consequently, the real issue regarding Suzanne Swift's failure to abide by her contractual obligation to serve and protect the U.S. as a soldier is being muddied by groups with a variety of political agendas.
Companion post at Interested-Participant.
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Posted by: Rusty at September 28, 2006 08:02 AM (JQjhA)
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jonny
Posted by: jonny at September 28, 2006 08:50 AM (QbGjZ)
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As I have said over and over. Why the hell do we sent women over there to begin with?
Posted by: greyrooster at September 28, 2006 06:08 PM (11BMB)
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I'm sure the ladies would rather be stateside anyway. I guess it's the equal pay thing. Equal pay equals, equal danger.
Posted by: greyrooster at September 28, 2006 06:45 PM (11BMB)
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Greyrooster, are you a Radiohead-loving Lymie Fruit?
The way you spell Grey indicates that you are likely a British Eurofag. We might be a potential item. Please call if you are interested in me. I no longer hate Jews or spam 9/11 conspiracies.
The way you spell Grey indicates that you are likely a British Eurofag. We might be a potential item. Please call if you are interested in me. I no longer hate Jews or spam 9/11 conspiracies.
Posted by: Greg at September 28, 2006 07:52 PM (HSkSw)
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Greg: You make me vomit. Best you not talk to me.
Posted by: greyrooster at September 29, 2006 06:34 AM (nULxl)
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So another post got deleted because I spoke the truth, eh? This blog is
getting to be no better than Kos for that shit. Does Rusty or anyone
here think that they have the market cornered on blogging? This blog is
amusing at best, but gets most of its info from other, better blogs,
and relies mainly on third-rate hack contributors whose own blogs suck.
getting to be no better than Kos for that shit. Does Rusty or anyone
here think that they have the market cornered on blogging? This blog is
amusing at best, but gets most of its info from other, better blogs,
and relies mainly on third-rate hack contributors whose own blogs suck.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 29, 2006 11:52 AM (v3I+x)
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Have ANY of you considered what this poor woman has been through? And Rusty that comment obviously has come from an immature child & your are exused for being a dumbass. I usually don't make attacks like that but I cant believe what I have just read. She is a beautiful young woman who was forced into a sexual "non-relationship" by her superiors. These people are supposed to protect each other & just because they were sexually deprived & far from home they felt that Suzanne could be used as their toy. I also suppose that you think she should be court marshalled & the scum bag soldiers should be free to do as they wish, like prey upon other women???
Posted by: Tim at October 02, 2006 03:26 PM (ah1+M)
September 27, 2006
CSM Series on The Drug War
The Christian Science Monitor is running a series on “The Drug Warâ€. In the first installment they report on the ironic massacre of US trained and financed Columbian police by US trained and financed members of the Columbian army.
Christian Science Monitor's Danna Harman: Jamundi, Colombia – Arcesio Morales Buitrago is in charge of the keys at Mi Casita. A soft-spoken man diagnosed as schizophrenic, he is the doyen of the patients at the leafy psychiatric home.I’ve agreed to carry the series. I take a rather libertarian view. If people want to drink or smoke or snort their way into the gutter, well stupid is as stupid does.On May 22, right after the Monday afternoon bingo game, three cars skidded to a halt in front of Mi Casita. Ten men in blue jeans and police vests, and one man in a ski mask, piled out.
“Judicial police! Open up!†they shouted.
Morales, as the one responsible for the keys, scurried down the path to comply.
As he reached the green iron gate, however, Sergio Berrio, the administrator of the home, leaned out from the balcony above and screeched: “Stay back! Don’t open!â€Morales froze. That’s when the shooting started: a torrent of bullets and grenades rained down on the police from the forest above.
“The war came here,†Morales recalls incredulously, “…all the way here.â€
What followed in the next 45 minutes was the massacre of one of Colombia’s best counter narcotics police units – all hand-picked and trained by the US. None survived.This is the story of that police team killed in Jamundi four months ago – and the members of Colombia’s military that killed them. The Attorney General alleges the ambush was ordered by narcotraffickers.
The brutal attack stunned this nation, and it has prompted the US Congress to temporarily freeze funding for Plan Colombia, the $4.7-billion effort to stop the illicit drug trade. It’s the most expensive US foreign aid program outside the Middle East.
But it’s the fact that US-trained Colombian soldiers were shooting US-trained Colombian police that has shaken officials in Washington and Bogatá. And the Jamundi massacre is fueling critics who say that after almost six years, this plan to fight the drug war isn’t working – and its time for a change.
Hat Tip: Hugo.
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Fine, stupid is as stupid does; no free needles, no treatment of any kind, no ADA protection, all crimes related to get a fix get maximum sentences, etc. Stupid is a stupid does gives me the right to drop the drug-addled junkie at 50 ft when he wanders onto my property and becomes a threat.
Posted by: Fersboo at September 27, 2006 10:48 AM (x0fj6)
Posted by: Howie at September 27, 2006 11:07 AM (YdcZ0)
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What is truly ironic is that not only are the Colombian army and Colombian Police financed by the US but the drug trade that they are supposed to be fighting against is also financed by the US (not to mention openly like in Iran/Contra). Thankfully that beautiful country is allowing us to use them as proxies for our righteous war on ourselves for the past 40 some years with paramilitary, army, police and just plain evildoers mixing it up with peasants and farmers - woo hoo! Gracias Amigos! Just be glad you didn't elect a leftist whom we would of course have to replace with a brutal dictator.
Posted by: tbone at September 27, 2006 01:22 PM (HGqHt)
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Fersboo, the man at my door 2 months ago at 4am was drunk, and had the wrong house. Should I have opened the door and started shooting?
Alcohol is legal here. Why?
Therein lies the answer. Prohibition doesn't work.
Legalize it. Tax it. Regulate it.
Use the money for the good guys, not the good fellas.
Alcohol is legal here. Why?
Therein lies the answer. Prohibition doesn't work.
Legalize it. Tax it. Regulate it.
Use the money for the good guys, not the good fellas.
Posted by: QC at September 27, 2006 02:49 PM (PX+vn)
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Yeah, same old slacker arguement. Did you feel threatened at 4am with a drunk at your front door? If you did, did you cower under your covers and hope he would go away? If you want your freakin drugs and no self control, you have to give something up. No special treatment, no protections.
Posted by: Fersboo at September 27, 2006 03:10 PM (x0fj6)
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Fersboo, I felt threatened. Hard to tell what is really at your front door at 4am. That is why I had a loaded .38 in my hand as I told him to leave and that he had the wrong house.
Calling something "same" and "old" does nothing to refute it. However, It does expose quite a bit about what you are made of. As do both of you posts.
Calling something "same" and "old" does nothing to refute it. However, It does expose quite a bit about what you are made of. As do both of you posts.
Posted by: QC at September 27, 2006 04:13 PM (PX+vn)
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Just to make clear I do feel the official Libertarian platform on this is too wide open. It won't fly and is unreasonable. Heavy regulation would be needed. Prohibition is an attempt to control or regulate but actually results in the defacto absence of regulation and loss most of, if not all, control.
Posted by: Howie at September 27, 2006 09:42 PM (YdcZ0)
September 09, 2006
Sweet Justice Little Old Lady Style
If only more people could do this. In my state you have to ask the mugger to wait while you rummage through the trunk. Remove weapon from case. Load weapon. Fire. Normally by that point it's a bit late. Maybe this guy will think twice next time. Go get em little old ladys with big guns.
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Nest time some rotten mugger stried to rob a old woman he should end up with a bullet right between his eyes and laying on a marble slab in the hospital mourge with a tag around his big toe
Posted by: sandpiper at September 11, 2006 02:58 PM (D9h75)
July 07, 2006
Today's Jawa Report Brought To You By The Number 300
Barred from protesting within 300 feet, 300 Patriot Guard riders.
If Phelps were on fire, I wouldn't piss on him to put it out.
Unless I pissed charcoal lighter fluid.
Whoops. What I was thinking and what I was typing were two different things.
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I would still urinate on him, just not in a way that would assist in putting him out.
Posted by: Budd at July 08, 2006 12:12 AM (XJLpe)
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Unless I pissed charcoal lighter fluid.
The flames would ride the stream back to the source. Then you could blog about your "red hots." Overall, not a good idea.
The flames would ride the stream back to the source. Then you could blog about your "red hots." Overall, not a good idea.
Posted by: Remy Logan at July 08, 2006 12:34 AM (DKBPD)
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yeah, no kidding. Hook a shorted wire to his ass, then POUR piss on him. Then flip the switch. That'll do it....
Posted by: caltechgirl at July 08, 2006 01:59 AM (pku0F)
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Ya know what I would love to see? Fred Phelps and Michael Newdow in a locked cage match.
Two men go in...only one comes out.
The winner then gets to fight Rosie O'Donell for the last Krispy Kreme donut.
Two men go in...only one comes out.
The winner then gets to fight Rosie O'Donell for the last Krispy Kreme donut.
Posted by: Mumblix Grumph at July 08, 2006 04:23 AM (3n7qn)
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Speaking of lefturds killing one another; I'd like to see a caged death match between Rosie O'Dummel and Michael Moron.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 08, 2006 06:40 AM (v3I+x)
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Phelps is a Democrat.
That felt good. He's handy when the politics of association card is being played.
That felt good. He's handy when the politics of association card is being played.
Posted by: Chip at July 08, 2006 07:46 AM (M3MqL)
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"God does not hate them because they are homosexuals; they are homosexuals because God hates them." - a quote from the 'man of God' himself.
Posted by: slug at July 08, 2006 09:21 AM (47Lhe)
July 03, 2006
No, I don't want to believe it
Revealing an uncomfortable truth about Rusty Shackleford: I still do not want to believe it's true. I hope it's not true. I pray it's not true.
My wanting, hoping, and praying have nothing to do with whether or not this incident actually did take place. But when faced with uncertainty, I choose to err on the side which gives the benefit of the doubt to the goodness of the United States and its soldiers.
That rape and murder happen in war is a certainty based on statistical probabilities. Gang rapes and mass murders are much lower on the probability scale. So I will hold out hope that there is more to this story than is being reported. That hope may prove to be hollow. May justice fall swiftly if I am wrong.
Confederate Yankee has the story on Green's arrest. Ace with some commentary.
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Posted by: Michael Hampton at July 03, 2006 02:18 PM (FVbj6)
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I won't believe it until the verdict is read. Innocent until proven guilty.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at July 03, 2006 02:48 PM (8e/V4)
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Rape and murder are not war as the US practices it.
Innocent until proven guilty, but they're certain enough of the evidence to proceed to filing charges.
Not looking good for the home team.
Innocent until proven guilty, but they're certain enough of the evidence to proceed to filing charges.
Not looking good for the home team.
Posted by: Ted at July 03, 2006 03:09 PM (+OVgL)
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If they did it, they should get the firing squad; if not, then whoever brought the false charges should get it.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 03, 2006 06:30 PM (v3I+x)
Posted by: sonic at July 03, 2006 06:50 PM (Gsn6c)
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from a prior post - Simple rule -
If the story is first developed by the MSM with/based on Iraqi accusations - then doubt it.
If the story is first developed within the military - then suspect there is a high degree of legitimacy and fact involved. Expect the MSM to jump on it and run with it - its what they do - ignore them - they are irrelevant.
This is why we have a CID - this is why we have specific training in proper behavior, this is why I received specialized training over the years in preventing/recognizing behavior problems.
The military is professional - actions like this are un-professional - what is un-professional undermines the performance and success of the military,compromises morale and jepardizes the mission objectives.
............
I've seen all kinds of shit even in peacetime - it happens.
UCMJ is swift and harsh. If convicted there will be death sentences handed down. Couple of hard life too - Leavenworth is hell compared to civilian prison systems.
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Oh - fuck you sonic.
If the story is first developed by the MSM with/based on Iraqi accusations - then doubt it.
If the story is first developed within the military - then suspect there is a high degree of legitimacy and fact involved. Expect the MSM to jump on it and run with it - its what they do - ignore them - they are irrelevant.
This is why we have a CID - this is why we have specific training in proper behavior, this is why I received specialized training over the years in preventing/recognizing behavior problems.
The military is professional - actions like this are un-professional - what is un-professional undermines the performance and success of the military,compromises morale and jepardizes the mission objectives.
............
I've seen all kinds of shit even in peacetime - it happens.
UCMJ is swift and harsh. If convicted there will be death sentences handed down. Couple of hard life too - Leavenworth is hell compared to civilian prison systems.
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Oh - fuck you sonic.
Posted by: hondo at July 03, 2006 07:06 PM (MVgHp)
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I'm sure it's a great comfort to the dead that their murderers will get a slap on the wrist at some future point.
I'm also certain you will start defending this guy in the next two days.
I'm also certain you will start defending this guy in the next two days.
Posted by: sonic at July 03, 2006 07:10 PM (Gsn6c)
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Oh - fuck you again Sonic.
Posted by: hondo at July 03, 2006 07:18 PM (MVgHp)
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Sonic,
you shit on your country because of the rapists, I'm proud of my country that puts them on trial for their crimes. That's the difference between your side and ours.
you shit on your country because of the rapists, I'm proud of my country that puts them on trial for their crimes. That's the difference between your side and ours.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at July 03, 2006 07:21 PM (8e/V4)
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You are assuming I am an American.
Posted by: sonic at July 03, 2006 08:10 PM (Gsn6c)
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Oh - fuck you again sonic and Happy 4th Of July!!! No matter where you come from (like I would care).
Posted by: hondo at July 03, 2006 08:24 PM (MVgHp)
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Seems like PFC Green was a bit of a role model
See here: http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/read.php?story_id_key=8316
And of course happy independence day to you all.
See here: http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/read.php?story_id_key=8316
And of course happy independence day to you all.
Posted by: sonic at July 03, 2006 09:08 PM (Gsn6c)
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Naturally assholes like sonic are so ashamed of their countries and race that they keep it a secret. Sonic you muslim faggot shut up.
I wish the liberal establishment would be as concerned about the rapes and murders in New Orleans as they are in Iraq. Oh no! I forget the rapists and murderers in New Orleans are black. To a liberal shit only whites under the stress of being blown up any minute can commit murder.
Friggin idiots.
I wish the liberal establishment would be as concerned about the rapes and murders in New Orleans as they are in Iraq. Oh no! I forget the rapists and murderers in New Orleans are black. To a liberal shit only whites under the stress of being blown up any minute can commit murder.
Friggin idiots.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 03, 2006 10:38 PM (ofp0L)
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Sonic:
Don't even try man..Really. Arguing with these neo-con geekoids is a lost cause. About all you can do is poke at them with a long stick, laugh at their Nearthental ways and hope they don't breed too much or infect too many Hispanics before they become a majority; If there is one thing worst than an white neo-facist is a south american one.
Look at the site: It is decorated with Star Wars artwork and uses a fictional name as a racial slur. I mean, we are down here at 8th grade level chief.
Their IQ combined wouldn't light up a key chain light.
Don't even try man..Really. Arguing with these neo-con geekoids is a lost cause. About all you can do is poke at them with a long stick, laugh at their Nearthental ways and hope they don't breed too much or infect too many Hispanics before they become a majority; If there is one thing worst than an white neo-facist is a south american one.
Look at the site: It is decorated with Star Wars artwork and uses a fictional name as a racial slur. I mean, we are down here at 8th grade level chief.
Their IQ combined wouldn't light up a key chain light.
Posted by: mighty7 at July 04, 2006 05:55 AM (EFBVJ)
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Sonic:
Don't even try man..Really. Arguing with these neo-con geekoids is a lost cause. About all you can do is poke at them with a long stick, laugh at their Nearthental ways and hope they don't breed too much or infect too many Hispanics before they become a majority; If there is one thing worst than an white neo-facist is a south american one.
Look at the site: It is decorated with Star Wars artwork and uses a fictional name as a racial slur. I mean, we are down here at 8th grade level chief.
Their IQ combined wouldn't light up a key chain light.
Don't even try man..Really. Arguing with these neo-con geekoids is a lost cause. About all you can do is poke at them with a long stick, laugh at their Nearthental ways and hope they don't breed too much or infect too many Hispanics before they become a majority; If there is one thing worst than an white neo-facist is a south american one.
Look at the site: It is decorated with Star Wars artwork and uses a fictional name as a racial slur. I mean, we are down here at 8th grade level chief.
Their IQ combined wouldn't light up a key chain light.
Posted by: mighty7 at July 04, 2006 05:58 AM (EFBVJ)
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Sonic and 7, why do you bother? Why is it petulant brats like yourselves waste your time annoying the adults? Doesn't mommy give you enough attention? Was daddy too harsh, and being an idiot liberal is your way of punishing him? You did know you dad, right? Or was it one of mommy's boyfriends?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 04, 2006 02:21 PM (v3I+x)
Posted by: sonic at July 04, 2006 05:40 PM (Gsn6c)
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Oh! Did I forget to say fuck you sonic? Fuck you!
Posted by: hondo at July 04, 2006 07:42 PM (MVgHp)
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The attempted comeback by I.M. was pretty weak compared to mighty7's post, you gotta admit.
Posted by: grok at July 04, 2006 11:13 PM (YEhpb)
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Sonic: You piece of shit. I hereby challenge you to a duel. Guns, knifes or fists. I will whip your ass and bury you. You are nothing. Where can we meet so I can put you out of your miserable existence. We can also gamble on the outcome. Make a day of it. Have a barbeque. Then I will beat you to death and bury you in the swamp. Of course, if you win, you can go away with a pretty good hunk of change. How about it. I feel like fighting for my country.
I feel like kicking your ass. Let's get it on. If you beg and write what a piece of shit you are on this blog before you leave I will let you live. Maybe. C'mon man. I pay the bill. Put your ass where your mouth is. Greyrooster99@hotmail.com Do it boy. Be a man.
I feel like kicking your ass. Let's get it on. If you beg and write what a piece of shit you are on this blog before you leave I will let you live. Maybe. C'mon man. I pay the bill. Put your ass where your mouth is. Greyrooster99@hotmail.com Do it boy. Be a man.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 07, 2006 09:02 PM (BjPXu)
June 06, 2006
CAUGHT! Police Hunt on for Jerry Buck Inman
UPDATE: CAUGHT!!!
If you see this man call 1-800-442-2746 and press 2 or call your local police. He is wanted for the murder of Clemson University student Tiffany Souers. His last known address was in Tennessee where he is a registered sex offender, but he is on the run.
More information about Jeffrey Buck Inman and the Tiffany Sourers murder here.
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Posted by: Tim at June 07, 2006 12:21 PM (fokUj)
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Where in the hell did you get John Ryans's picture?
Posted by: greyrooster at June 07, 2006 12:51 PM (8sTJK)
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He looks like LEX LUTHOR
Posted by: sandpiper at June 09, 2006 07:54 PM (XnXsx)
May 22, 2006
Cold Hard Cash
Or The Democratic “Culture of Corruption†Revealed. I’ve been waiting to say that.
Washinton Post : Rep. William J. Jefferson (D-La.), the target of a 14-month public corruption probe, was videotaped accepting $100,000 in $100 bills from a Northern Virginia investor who was wearing an FBI wire, according to a search warrant affidavit released yesterday.Line him up with the rest of the crooks. Like I said before, Politician often equals crook.A few days later, on Aug. 3, 2005, FBI agents raided Jefferson's home in Northeast Washington and found $90,000 of the cash in the freezer, in $10,000 increments wrapped in aluminum foil and stuffed inside frozen-food containers, the document said.
Hat Tip, Others: Just about everybody.
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The whole "culture of corruption" was to be the cornerstone of the Democrat election strategy for 08. Now they got bupkis. lol!
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 22, 2006 09:48 AM (8e/V4)
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Carlos why would anyone want to bribe someone who was a member of the minortiy party ? Maybe this just shows that you can bribe a democrat cheaper than a republican. If so then I am planning on voting democrat, it would save us all money and reduce the cost of doing business in Washington. The new democrat slogan will be "We are cheaper !"
Posted by: john Ryan at May 22, 2006 10:16 AM (TcoRJ)
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High time for a major house-cleaning ....
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at May 22, 2006 10:40 AM (FCC6c)
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You bet, I would not want to have the word incumbant next to my name in Nov. for either party. Things are pretty good when you look at it. But the mood isn't.
Posted by: Howie at May 22, 2006 10:53 AM (D3+20)
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$90,000 in his freezer? Hey, check his mattress.
Posted by: Mike at May 22, 2006 11:13 AM (sdQkU)
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Now that's what I call " cold hard cash " !
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at May 22, 2006 12:42 PM (FCC6c)
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Sorry, I thought I was being clever and inventive with my last comment, much to my dismay I saw the title of this report even as my trigger finger was leaving the mouse after firing! Okay! I'll except the moonbat award of the week for that one!
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at May 22, 2006 12:45 PM (FCC6c)
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>>The whole "culture of corruption" was to be the cornerstone of the Democrat election strategy for 08. Now they got bupkis.
In two years nobody is going to remember this guy's name. I'd wager that even the people in his district won't remember him. This relative non-event will not change the anti-corruption platform for '08 because not one person running for office would be dumb enough to try and leverage such a non-memorable thing to their advantage.
And, if you think that's hypocritical, you're either young or extremely ignorant. What's more hypocritical is the fact that back in the early 90s the Dems were in exactly the same sleazy stew pot that the Republicans are in right now, and that in another dozen years or so the Republicans are going to be the ones running the "anti-corruption" campaigns against the Democrats again, just like they did a dozen years ago.
The reason the republicans are in trouble in relation to corruption is quite simple: people with very big mouths like Tom DeLay engaged in highly suspect behavior and now, because they combined bluster and ethical fence-riding, they've become a very visible liability for their party.
It's not that one group is necessarily composed of more corrupt people than the other, it's that the opportunity goes to the people in power, and that in this case the people who took that opportunity happened to do it in very flagrant, high-profile ways. They're not WORSE, they're more visible.
In two years nobody is going to remember this guy's name. I'd wager that even the people in his district won't remember him. This relative non-event will not change the anti-corruption platform for '08 because not one person running for office would be dumb enough to try and leverage such a non-memorable thing to their advantage.
And, if you think that's hypocritical, you're either young or extremely ignorant. What's more hypocritical is the fact that back in the early 90s the Dems were in exactly the same sleazy stew pot that the Republicans are in right now, and that in another dozen years or so the Republicans are going to be the ones running the "anti-corruption" campaigns against the Democrats again, just like they did a dozen years ago.
The reason the republicans are in trouble in relation to corruption is quite simple: people with very big mouths like Tom DeLay engaged in highly suspect behavior and now, because they combined bluster and ethical fence-riding, they've become a very visible liability for their party.
It's not that one group is necessarily composed of more corrupt people than the other, it's that the opportunity goes to the people in power, and that in this case the people who took that opportunity happened to do it in very flagrant, high-profile ways. They're not WORSE, they're more visible.
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I hear the over/under is 48 hours.
If I had 90k in my freezer, I would put it all on the under. (Las Vegas book on how long it takes Jefferson to claim the racist FBI set him up).
If I had 90k in my freezer, I would put it all on the under. (Las Vegas book on how long it takes Jefferson to claim the racist FBI set him up).
Posted by: Brad at May 22, 2006 01:21 PM (3OPZt)
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>>>In two years nobody is going to remember this guy's name.
TxMxP,
there is no such thing as a "culture of corruption", only corrupt politicians. But if the Dems run on anti-corruption in 2008, the name William J. Jefferson will become a household name. Trust me on this, the GOP isn't just going to sit idle. That issue is hereby dead for the Democrats.
TxMxP,
there is no such thing as a "culture of corruption", only corrupt politicians. But if the Dems run on anti-corruption in 2008, the name William J. Jefferson will become a household name. Trust me on this, the GOP isn't just going to sit idle. That issue is hereby dead for the Democrats.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 22, 2006 01:42 PM (8e/V4)
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I think " flagrant and high-profile and more visible " pretty much defines a culture of corruption. Meaning that everyone is doing it, therefore there is no need to hide.
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at May 22, 2006 01:52 PM (FCC6c)
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This same guy was busted during Katrina for using national guardsmen and equipment to help get himself to his own house to grab some personal stuff. This was at the same time that 10s of thousands of people were looking for some leadership and were in grave danger. He's a real loser.
Posted by: Richard at May 22, 2006 01:54 PM (U+YqD)
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>>Trust me on this, the GOP isn't just going to sit idle. That issue is hereby dead for the Democrats.
I'll pretty much guarantee it's not. Politics is about popularity and making flashes in the pan right before the election. People like Cunningham are memorable for the sheer scope of the crime, and DeLay is memorable, even if he's acquitted, because of his big mouth prior to the indictment. Jefferson is a nobody outside his district. Without that focus, he's pretty much useless as a political tool.
Ironically, with Richard's revelation, it seems to me he's probably one of the worst kinds of politicians. At least Cunningham and DeLay did work for their constituents. This guy, on the other hand, appears to have been there for little more than his own personal gain. It's ironic that he's probably so much worse for having focused on it, but that focus is exactly what will detach him in people's minds because he didn't do anything to make himself memorable.
If there's one thing you can count on in an election, though, it's usually that the best man will only win if he got lucky. Rational arguments are not that effective in the modern world compared to mudslinging and cross-charging, unfortunately.
They MIGHT be able to leverage it later this year to an extent, but even that I'd doubt. He's just not visible enough to make a good target.
>>there is no such thing as a "culture of corruption"
I would agree that it's not a material thing, but I would disagree that it's not a valid concept. During the early 90s the Democrats defined it fairly clearly through their bribes and pandering, and the Republicans have since refined it to a political art form by organizing K-Street into little more than a temple market for people looking to buy and peddle influence.
While there probably isn't an inherent culture driving it, once the corrupt solidify to a certain extent through appointments and monetary connections, there is a cultural aspect of corruption to the social network that develops.
I'll pretty much guarantee it's not. Politics is about popularity and making flashes in the pan right before the election. People like Cunningham are memorable for the sheer scope of the crime, and DeLay is memorable, even if he's acquitted, because of his big mouth prior to the indictment. Jefferson is a nobody outside his district. Without that focus, he's pretty much useless as a political tool.
Ironically, with Richard's revelation, it seems to me he's probably one of the worst kinds of politicians. At least Cunningham and DeLay did work for their constituents. This guy, on the other hand, appears to have been there for little more than his own personal gain. It's ironic that he's probably so much worse for having focused on it, but that focus is exactly what will detach him in people's minds because he didn't do anything to make himself memorable.
If there's one thing you can count on in an election, though, it's usually that the best man will only win if he got lucky. Rational arguments are not that effective in the modern world compared to mudslinging and cross-charging, unfortunately.
They MIGHT be able to leverage it later this year to an extent, but even that I'd doubt. He's just not visible enough to make a good target.
>>there is no such thing as a "culture of corruption"
I would agree that it's not a material thing, but I would disagree that it's not a valid concept. During the early 90s the Democrats defined it fairly clearly through their bribes and pandering, and the Republicans have since refined it to a political art form by organizing K-Street into little more than a temple market for people looking to buy and peddle influence.
While there probably isn't an inherent culture driving it, once the corrupt solidify to a certain extent through appointments and monetary connections, there is a cultural aspect of corruption to the social network that develops.
Posted by: TxMxP at May 22, 2006 02:13 PM (gOPcw)
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Jefferson be inacent like O.J. De white mofuckers set him up. A jury of his pears goin find him be inacent like O.J.
Dem thar peoples in Nawlins relect him jus lik de boss o de choclate city/
Dem thar peoples in Nawlins relect him jus lik de boss o de choclate city/
Posted by: greyrooster at May 22, 2006 03:48 PM (pSK/I)
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48 hours to claim the FBI set him up? Hmmm... it's hard to say, considering that the media will try hard to bury this as fast as possible, all except for the hated Fox, of course.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at May 22, 2006 04:22 PM (0yYS2)
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These politicians, these elite self-aggrandizing, "I know what's good for you better than you do", ivory-tower intellectuals are far, far too powerful. And while the conservative base in this country is showing some honest-to-goodness anger at what their elected officials are doing, the Democrats are circling the wagons and propping up halos over each others heads.
Just the whole immigration debate between them is enough to make one puke; rying to one-up each other on who's the most compassionate in the hopes they'll get their votes on down the road. No one seems to know that the amnesty of 1986 never ended. It was extended and expanded for 15 years and people can still apply for amnesty under that legislation even today. So just who do they think they're fooling with all this new legislation?
What this is, is just another quick fix for the current bad Social Security system. There were 380,000 births in the US to illegal aliens in 2002, accounting for nearly 10 percent of all births in the United States [from the Center for Immigration Studies]. What do you think it is now? They want these kids to shore up Social Security for the next few decades and at least to get through the retirement of the boomers. What happens when the explosion of illegal kids retire? Think the current politicians give a damn?
Just the whole immigration debate between them is enough to make one puke; rying to one-up each other on who's the most compassionate in the hopes they'll get their votes on down the road. No one seems to know that the amnesty of 1986 never ended. It was extended and expanded for 15 years and people can still apply for amnesty under that legislation even today. So just who do they think they're fooling with all this new legislation?
What this is, is just another quick fix for the current bad Social Security system. There were 380,000 births in the US to illegal aliens in 2002, accounting for nearly 10 percent of all births in the United States [from the Center for Immigration Studies]. What do you think it is now? They want these kids to shore up Social Security for the next few decades and at least to get through the retirement of the boomers. What happens when the explosion of illegal kids retire? Think the current politicians give a damn?
Posted by: Oyster at May 22, 2006 04:32 PM (YudAC)
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Oyster,
ten percent of Mexico is now living in the U.S., including 1 out of 7 of Mexico's workers.
ten percent of Mexico is now living in the U.S., including 1 out of 7 of Mexico's workers.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 22, 2006 04:42 PM (8e/V4)
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I know Carlos. And while we have politicians who think that making something easier or legal fixes that which is hard or illegal it will get worse. Mexico is our friend? Hardly. While we're making our laws more lax for them, they're passing new laws saying that if you want to move there, don't ever expect to be anything more than a second-class citizen. Fox is talking out both sides of his mouth.
Posted by: Oyster at May 22, 2006 04:56 PM (YudAC)
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>>>While we're making our laws more lax for them, they're passing new laws saying that if you want to move there, don't ever expect to be anything more than a second-class citizen.
Exactly. The Mexicans are full of shit. Trying to bully us or guilt us into doing what they themselves wouldn't dream of doing:
Mexico bars non-natives from jobs
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060521/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/mexico_limiting_immigrants&printer%3D1
But guess what, we're "racists" and "xenophobes" just because we don't accept being invaded and colonized by a foreign country.
And the amazing Leftards play along under the impression it makes them magnanimous when in fact it just makes them anti-American suckers, and even the craven business interests are starting to sound like Liberals if they can see dollar signs.
Exactly. The Mexicans are full of shit. Trying to bully us or guilt us into doing what they themselves wouldn't dream of doing:
Mexico bars non-natives from jobs
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060521/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/mexico_limiting_immigrants&printer%3D1
But guess what, we're "racists" and "xenophobes" just because we don't accept being invaded and colonized by a foreign country.
And the amazing Leftards play along under the impression it makes them magnanimous when in fact it just makes them anti-American suckers, and even the craven business interests are starting to sound like Liberals if they can see dollar signs.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 22, 2006 05:23 PM (8e/V4)
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He doesn't want a job, he wants a position.
Maybe that $100,000.00 is the lawyer fund for the two moongod worshippers that jumbed on the Florida school bus today. Just saying.
Maybe that $100,000.00 is the lawyer fund for the two moongod worshippers that jumbed on the Florida school bus today. Just saying.
Posted by: Leatherneck at May 22, 2006 07:53 PM (D2g/j)
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What amazes me it that this seems to be news to some. Willie Jefferson has been a crook for some time. This is small potatoes. The last bride he took was $400,000 from some Louisville people. They pleaded guilty. He says everyone is after him because he is black. Blacks in La say he shouldn't have to resigh because white have been taking brides for years. I'll not argue the fact of corruption in La. But the Sambos need a better excuse.
Posted by: greyrooster at May 22, 2006 09:07 PM (pSK/I)
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Thats odd, didnt I read a post here talking about America's centuries of jurisprudence and innocent until proven guilty?
Oh I forgot, that is only for situations when US marines shoot children in the head.
Oh I forgot, that is only for situations when US marines shoot children in the head.
Posted by: Sonic at May 22, 2006 10:03 PM (Gsn6c)
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>>>>Thats odd, didnt I read a post here talking about America's centuries of jurisprudence and innocent until proven guilty?
Show me a dated comment where you make the same argument defending Tom Delay. Otherwise STFU.
Show me a dated comment where you make the same argument defending Tom Delay. Otherwise STFU.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 22, 2006 10:33 PM (8e/V4)
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Sonic, in his haste to cry hypocrisy! has shown his own hypocrisy in asserting guilt in another case where guilt has yet to be determined.
Posted by: Oyster at May 23, 2006 02:25 AM (YudAC)
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Yeah, becuase GOP voters never jump to conclusion before a trial is concluded... Swiftboaters, Clinton's running drugs and murdering people, etc. etc.
Gimme a Fucking Break. You ARE a hypocrite, Carlos and Oyster!
Major difference between the Dems and Jefferson and GOP and Delay. Jefferson is getting kicked out, and Delay was ralleyed behind, had his defense funded by his party, and had the rules rewritten to save his post as the head of the party.
Yeah, that's not hypocrisy... that's pure stupidity.
Gimme a Fucking Break. You ARE a hypocrite, Carlos and Oyster!
Major difference between the Dems and Jefferson and GOP and Delay. Jefferson is getting kicked out, and Delay was ralleyed behind, had his defense funded by his party, and had the rules rewritten to save his post as the head of the party.
Yeah, that's not hypocrisy... that's pure stupidity.
Posted by: Blue Patriot at May 23, 2006 08:04 AM (yFm36)
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>>>You ARE a hypocrite, Carlos and Oyster!
I fail to see where I'm a "hypocrite" just because I pointed out someone else's obvious hypocrisy.
>>>Swiftboaters, Clinton's running drugs and murdering people, etc. etc.
lol! We were supposed to wait for a trial by jury before concluding anything about John Kerry's fraudulent Viet Nam claims? Don't be so silly. He wasn't being accused of a crime, only of being a liar.
As far as Clinton "running drugs and murdering people", I'm skeptical. But I'm surprised you didn't mention all the women who came forward to claim he raped them. Wasn't it the Liberal feminists who insist that women don't lie about rape? Oh, except when they accuse Democrats! lol! In that case women always lie about rape!
William Jefferson was busted ON TAPE, so the Dems would be stupid not to distance themselves. Tom Delay has yet to be found guilty of anything. He's the victim of a Democrat smear campaign, nothing more.
I fail to see where I'm a "hypocrite" just because I pointed out someone else's obvious hypocrisy.
>>>Swiftboaters, Clinton's running drugs and murdering people, etc. etc.
lol! We were supposed to wait for a trial by jury before concluding anything about John Kerry's fraudulent Viet Nam claims? Don't be so silly. He wasn't being accused of a crime, only of being a liar.
As far as Clinton "running drugs and murdering people", I'm skeptical. But I'm surprised you didn't mention all the women who came forward to claim he raped them. Wasn't it the Liberal feminists who insist that women don't lie about rape? Oh, except when they accuse Democrats! lol! In that case women always lie about rape!
William Jefferson was busted ON TAPE, so the Dems would be stupid not to distance themselves. Tom Delay has yet to be found guilty of anything. He's the victim of a Democrat smear campaign, nothing more.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 23, 2006 08:31 AM (8e/V4)
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Sooo... when Kerry holds up official government documentation of his service awards, that's fraud, but when Bush holds up pay stubs that don't show him being paid for large gaps in time, that's proof that he did his duty to the country?
Kind of like how when Bush skips his physical and gets his flight status revoked that makes him an American hero, and when Kerry engages in gun battles during the Vietnam war (which most of the people who were actually there attest to), that makes him a yellow coward. Alice, I think we're through the Looking Glass here.
Kind of like how when Bush skips his physical and gets his flight status revoked that makes him an American hero, and when Kerry engages in gun battles during the Vietnam war (which most of the people who were actually there attest to), that makes him a yellow coward. Alice, I think we're through the Looking Glass here.
Posted by: TxMxP at May 23, 2006 08:53 AM (gOPcw)
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TxMxP,
see, that was a great post where you address the subtance of the issue without feeling the need to personally harrass/attack your opponent. That's what i'm talkin bout!
see, that was a great post where you address the subtance of the issue without feeling the need to personally harrass/attack your opponent. That's what i'm talkin bout!
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 23, 2006 09:03 AM (8e/V4)
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Bush is a reckless moron who despises ordinary Americans.
JC you are full of it! Kettle calling the pot black!
JC you are full of it! Kettle calling the pot black!
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at May 23, 2006 09:24 AM (FCC6c)
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>>>Bush is a reckless moron who despises ordinary Americans.
You mean not just "black people", he hates ALL Americans now? Gee, you make such a cogent point! lol! bushitler hatred is a mental disorder.
You mean not just "black people", he hates ALL Americans now? Gee, you make such a cogent point! lol! bushitler hatred is a mental disorder.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 23, 2006 09:32 AM (8e/V4)
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No JC, I didn't say ALL Americans. I said ordinary Americans, including blacks, poor, middle class. The only peoples Bush loves more than his big business cohorts and his Saudi buddies are the Iraqis. Now gimper on back to your sandbox ...
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at May 23, 2006 09:55 AM (FCC6c)
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Lost his grasp,
the only people who despise "ordinary Americans" are you Libs. Because it's these ordinary Americans love Jaaysus and who elect the Rethuglikkkans and who hate gays and librruuuls. That's why you resort to the courts and despise democracy. Because "ordinary people" don't buy into your Leftwing social engineering lunacy. So when you accuse "Bush" of hating "ordinary Americans" you are looking at yourself in the mirror. It's called projection.
the only people who despise "ordinary Americans" are you Libs. Because it's these ordinary Americans love Jaaysus and who elect the Rethuglikkkans and who hate gays and librruuuls. That's why you resort to the courts and despise democracy. Because "ordinary people" don't buy into your Leftwing social engineering lunacy. So when you accuse "Bush" of hating "ordinary Americans" you are looking at yourself in the mirror. It's called projection.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 23, 2006 10:12 AM (8e/V4)
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Carlos,
Now, you're just being retarded. You shit on the military by saying that their records lie about a decorated war vet, Kerry, who came back, spoke his mind, and then served his country for 30 years as a prosecutor and legislator while Dub'ya was downing lines and driving drunk to baseball games... You're a wingnut, dude. You have no credibility. You hate Liberals and you swallow whatever spin backs that hate up.
Get some therapy- you're pathetic.
"The only people who hate Americans are Libs"... So, half the country hates... themselves. Good logic there, Einstein. Maybe you, as a true blue American HEE-ROW could tell us how it is that Hating Gays and Democrats and the COURTS (You fucking facist) are American values? You're a mess, and you should just shut your mouth now before you do any more damage to your reputation.
Christ, some people...
Now, you're just being retarded. You shit on the military by saying that their records lie about a decorated war vet, Kerry, who came back, spoke his mind, and then served his country for 30 years as a prosecutor and legislator while Dub'ya was downing lines and driving drunk to baseball games... You're a wingnut, dude. You have no credibility. You hate Liberals and you swallow whatever spin backs that hate up.
Get some therapy- you're pathetic.
"The only people who hate Americans are Libs"... So, half the country hates... themselves. Good logic there, Einstein. Maybe you, as a true blue American HEE-ROW could tell us how it is that Hating Gays and Democrats and the COURTS (You fucking facist) are American values? You're a mess, and you should just shut your mouth now before you do any more damage to your reputation.
Christ, some people...
Posted by: Blue Patriot at May 23, 2006 12:57 PM (yFm36)
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OMFG... Old Grey Cock, did you really use the term "Sambo" to refer to black people?
How do you see the keyboard with that white hood on, you K-K-Kracker?
Jesus, that was some in-your-face inbred racism, right there. Wow.
How do you see the keyboard with that white hood on, you K-K-Kracker?
Jesus, that was some in-your-face inbred racism, right there. Wow.
Posted by: Blue Patriot at May 23, 2006 01:01 PM (yFm36)
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>>How do you see the keyboard with that white hood on, you K-K-Kracker?
Er. KKK members are pretty dumb, but they're still usually smart enough to cut eyeholes in their hoods. Plus most people don't need to look at the keyboard to type...
Er. KKK members are pretty dumb, but they're still usually smart enough to cut eyeholes in their hoods. Plus most people don't need to look at the keyboard to type...
Posted by: TxMxP at May 23, 2006 01:53 PM (gOPcw)
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>>>You shit on the military by saying that their records lie about a decorated war vet,
Don't you Leftards WISH I would shut my mouth. A conservative minority is your WORST nightmare. Without all the little victim brown people you Libs seek to create you'd be dead in the water politically. Liberalism would meet it complete oblivion. You need the little victim brownies who can't fend for themselves but for the "charity" of guilty white Libs!
Lying sacks of shit like John Kerry simply pulled a fast one on the military. If shitting on our military is what really bothers you then you wouldn't be a Liberal and such a huge fan of Cindy Sheeehan and and Michael Moore. Obviously your "shitting on our military" comment is just a Leftard tactic expedient for the moment. Later you'll revert back to your military loathing ways. Enough said about that.
I don't hate all Liberals, given half of my family are Libs (not that hating Libs has any bearing on my credibility). It's Liberalism and Leftardism I hate because of the mind jobs it's played on the people I love. But I do despise the mindless Chimpy Mcbushitler hating variety of Libs as well as the "controlled demolition"/"terrorists are people too" variety of Libs. But I'm in good company because most people (even a few Libs) hate them.
As far as "half the country" being Libs, just because people might vote Democrat that's supposed to mean they're Liberal? hahaha! You can keep dreaming. I guess that's what you folks do best in the "reality-based community". Last poll as I saw only about 15% of people referred to themselves as Liberal, while almost 30% reported themselves as conservative. So it's not my "logic" that is at issue, it's your ignorance.
Don't you Leftards WISH I would shut my mouth. A conservative minority is your WORST nightmare. Without all the little victim brown people you Libs seek to create you'd be dead in the water politically. Liberalism would meet it complete oblivion. You need the little victim brownies who can't fend for themselves but for the "charity" of guilty white Libs!
Lying sacks of shit like John Kerry simply pulled a fast one on the military. If shitting on our military is what really bothers you then you wouldn't be a Liberal and such a huge fan of Cindy Sheeehan and and Michael Moore. Obviously your "shitting on our military" comment is just a Leftard tactic expedient for the moment. Later you'll revert back to your military loathing ways. Enough said about that.
I don't hate all Liberals, given half of my family are Libs (not that hating Libs has any bearing on my credibility). It's Liberalism and Leftardism I hate because of the mind jobs it's played on the people I love. But I do despise the mindless Chimpy Mcbushitler hating variety of Libs as well as the "controlled demolition"/"terrorists are people too" variety of Libs. But I'm in good company because most people (even a few Libs) hate them.
As far as "half the country" being Libs, just because people might vote Democrat that's supposed to mean they're Liberal? hahaha! You can keep dreaming. I guess that's what you folks do best in the "reality-based community". Last poll as I saw only about 15% of people referred to themselves as Liberal, while almost 30% reported themselves as conservative. So it's not my "logic" that is at issue, it's your ignorance.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 23, 2006 02:02 PM (8e/V4)
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Damn Carlos: Tell it like it is.
Posted by: greyrooster at May 23, 2006 06:07 PM (BEvWK)
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Blue Patriot: Everyone on this blog knows I am a racist and member of the Great and Glorious Knights of the Klu Klux Klan. Gee, calling me a racist and kkk'r really hurt. Friggin Idiot. RACISTS ARE NOT BORN, THEY ARE MADE. If you live near the Chocolate City they are made in a hurry.
But you continue to kiss their asses. I'm taking a different approach. One that a cowardly little weasel like yourself wouldn't understand.
But you continue to kiss their asses. I'm taking a different approach. One that a cowardly little weasel like yourself wouldn't understand.
Posted by: greyrooster at May 24, 2006 08:59 PM (8MCDk)
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Rooster,
You're comfortable with your own inability to think. That's fine. Racism is born of the frustration a person like yourself to figure out why he is in the situation he's in, and your little brain latches on to the easiest target. Brown people. It makes you feel better to assume that you're better because of the tinge of your skin. But, we all know that that is just plain stupid.
You're right- racists ARE made. By ignorance, neglect, and fear.
I don't think this very often, but you might be a lost cause. I hope you've been fixed.
Cowardly weasle... Like someone who wears a hood and has to carry an axe handle to make himself feel like a big man? Fuck you, Rooster. You're a relic, an ugly reminder of what's wrong with this nation.
You're comfortable with your own inability to think. That's fine. Racism is born of the frustration a person like yourself to figure out why he is in the situation he's in, and your little brain latches on to the easiest target. Brown people. It makes you feel better to assume that you're better because of the tinge of your skin. But, we all know that that is just plain stupid.
You're right- racists ARE made. By ignorance, neglect, and fear.
I don't think this very often, but you might be a lost cause. I hope you've been fixed.
Cowardly weasle... Like someone who wears a hood and has to carry an axe handle to make himself feel like a big man? Fuck you, Rooster. You're a relic, an ugly reminder of what's wrong with this nation.
Posted by: Blue Patriot at May 25, 2006 08:24 AM (yFm36)
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TxPxM,
OK, first of all, I was refering to Old Grey Rooster, and I think you're stretching to state that he types without looking at the keyboard.
I mean, come on. Really...
OK, first of all, I was refering to Old Grey Rooster, and I think you're stretching to state that he types without looking at the keyboard.
I mean, come on. Really...
Posted by: Blue Patriot at May 25, 2006 08:26 AM (yFm36)
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Carlos,
Do you have a link for that "15% are Libs" declaration, or are you just trying to pull one over? Don't be offended if I don't take your word for it.
Besides, nobody is as good as the GOP at playing word games. Yeah, "Liberal" is a dirty word. Progressive, Democrat, anti-republican, etc. they all work, and you know that the GOP is going to get burried this fall, with good reason.
Oh, did you hear that Dennis Hastert is now under investigation by the FBI for the Abramoff scandal? I bet you 29%ers will still vote for-em all, though. What choice do you have? Democrats might outlaw ignorant fucks like Rooster, and then you'd be all alone.
Do you have a link for that "15% are Libs" declaration, or are you just trying to pull one over? Don't be offended if I don't take your word for it.
Besides, nobody is as good as the GOP at playing word games. Yeah, "Liberal" is a dirty word. Progressive, Democrat, anti-republican, etc. they all work, and you know that the GOP is going to get burried this fall, with good reason.
Oh, did you hear that Dennis Hastert is now under investigation by the FBI for the Abramoff scandal? I bet you 29%ers will still vote for-em all, though. What choice do you have? Democrats might outlaw ignorant fucks like Rooster, and then you'd be all alone.
Posted by: Blue Patriot at May 25, 2006 08:31 AM (yFm36)
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Blue dress patriot: Kiss their asses if it makes you feel safer. What's wrong with this country is somewhere along the line it changed from what it was to what it is now. Namely, it allows cowardly little pricks like yourself to open their ass kissing mouths. Most who feel the way you do are either one or being fucked by one. Which are you?
Don't know how brown people got into the conversation. Another cowardly way of seeking security by kissing up to someone who has nothing to do with the subject.
Can't think? I've done more, achieved more, seen more, have more, experienced more than a sissified little kiss ass punk like you could or will ever do. You're nothing but bullshit without nuts. You know it. I know it. Anyone who has ever spent much time on this blog knows it.
Now put your dress on and shut up.
Don't know how brown people got into the conversation. Another cowardly way of seeking security by kissing up to someone who has nothing to do with the subject.
Can't think? I've done more, achieved more, seen more, have more, experienced more than a sissified little kiss ass punk like you could or will ever do. You're nothing but bullshit without nuts. You know it. I know it. Anyone who has ever spent much time on this blog knows it.
Now put your dress on and shut up.
Posted by: greyrooster at May 25, 2006 09:26 PM (pzM6K)
May 18, 2006
Censure Jack Murtha
The Left's favorite ex-Marine, Pennsylvania representative Jack Murtha, has decided that he is judge, jury, and executioner in the case of Marines accused of killing civilians in Iraq:
Rep. John Murtha, an influential Pennsylvania lawmaker and outspoken critic of the war in Iraq, said today Marines had “killed innocent civilians in cold blood†after allegedly responding to a roadside bomb ambush that killed a Marine during a patrol in Haditha, Iraq, Nov. 19.Ignoring centuries of American jurisprudence, Murtha has hopelessly prejudiced this case with his presumption of guilt. And Murtha has done this for one reason only, political gain. Murtha's reason for prejudging this case is his claim that the alleged crime was committed due to over-extension of the military.“It’s much worse than was reported in Time magazine,†Murtha, a Democrat, former Marine colonel and Vietnam war veteran, told reporters on Capitol Hill.
“There was no firefight. There was no [bomb] that killed those innocent people,†Murtha explained, adding there were “about twice as many†Iraqis killed than Time had reported.
Regardless of the outcome of Courts Martial investigating these Marines, Jack Murtha has exposed himself as a festering puswart on the buttocks of the House of Representatives.
Jack Murtha has abused his position as a US Representative and deserves censure by the House, at the very least. Murtha's past military service does not in any way excuse this gross misconduct.
Via Stop the ACLU.
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I think the guy is senile.
Posted by: Mike at May 18, 2006 12:49 PM (PJzqy)
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Marines use words like Honor, Duty, Country, They believe in concepts like, Leave No Man Behind, Once a Marine Always a Marine, and Semper Fi. They stand and fight when others run and die.
So, someone explain to me how this despicable man is not cursed loudly and publicly by every retired Marine
So, someone explain to me how this despicable man is not cursed loudly and publicly by every retired Marine
Posted by: The Curmudgeon at May 18, 2006 01:11 PM (jeBXX)
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I think people arent calling Murtha dishonorable is because he is dealing with the facts. These still matter, even if you believe the flag is the cross and the president is a prophet.
What Murtha is bringing up is the fact that these marines are in very harsh conditions on an ill fated mission based in lies who are going nuts and committing atrocities out of madness....MAI LAI sound familiar?
See, Murtha knows blind obedience to authroity is not honorable and when your leaders come up corrupt it is vrtuous duty to fight the lies of totalitarianism.
Remember, tehse kids you sent to hell have to come home, so they can date your daughters, and like the vietnam generation, be thrown away by society.
commie
What Murtha is bringing up is the fact that these marines are in very harsh conditions on an ill fated mission based in lies who are going nuts and committing atrocities out of madness....MAI LAI sound familiar?
See, Murtha knows blind obedience to authroity is not honorable and when your leaders come up corrupt it is vrtuous duty to fight the lies of totalitarianism.
Remember, tehse kids you sent to hell have to come home, so they can date your daughters, and like the vietnam generation, be thrown away by society.
commie
Posted by: commie at May 18, 2006 01:56 PM (1esPS)
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Well Bluto one thing that you can say about Murtha is that he stands up and says them in public and does not hide in annonimity. I'd like to be present when YOU said those kind of things to HIS face.
Posted by: john Ryan at May 18, 2006 02:06 PM (TcoRJ)
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You lefties need to stop looking at everything through a Vietnam-colored lense.
Iraq and Vietnam are not the same war. Get over it.
War is war and you will have some people "going nuts" due to combat stress. But any armed conflict will induce combat stress, no matter who sent the soldiers to war, or why they're fighting it!
The soldiers who ALLEGEDLY killed innocent civilians may have been under stress, but if they had more integrity, morals, a conscience, whatever you want to call it, they wouldn't have committed such a crime.
You see it's not the DOD's or the President's fault, nor is it failed policy. It is poor judgement and lack of morals that causes a person to kill innocent people.
Deep down inside I bet liberals and Bush-haters just love it when something like this happens. All you little deranged liberals are sick hypocrites.
Iraq and Vietnam are not the same war. Get over it.
War is war and you will have some people "going nuts" due to combat stress. But any armed conflict will induce combat stress, no matter who sent the soldiers to war, or why they're fighting it!
The soldiers who ALLEGEDLY killed innocent civilians may have been under stress, but if they had more integrity, morals, a conscience, whatever you want to call it, they wouldn't have committed such a crime.
You see it's not the DOD's or the President's fault, nor is it failed policy. It is poor judgement and lack of morals that causes a person to kill innocent people.
Deep down inside I bet liberals and Bush-haters just love it when something like this happens. All you little deranged liberals are sick hypocrites.
Posted by: Agent Meatball at May 18, 2006 02:06 PM (30FRH)
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I love this neo-cons...Shit is fallin apart, can't get one thing right, corruption all over the place, lost count of how many millions wasted, gasoline up through the roof, legal abuses here and abroad, natural disasters mismanagement....
I lived under Spain's Franco dictatorship as a minor. A right wing, christian, hardcore fascist goverment (For God and Country)..,And I find funny as shit how little here in Amercia people ACTUALLY know what a facist goverment looks like...
Starting to look a lot like on in this place.
I lived under Spain's Franco dictatorship as a minor. A right wing, christian, hardcore fascist goverment (For God and Country)..,And I find funny as shit how little here in Amercia people ACTUALLY know what a facist goverment looks like...
Starting to look a lot like on in this place.
Posted by: Citizen # 255883400882 at May 18, 2006 02:37 PM (3T8kU)
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And by the way, the Pentagon was the one that issue the initial report.
Damn Comunist military!!!
You can dress a monkey in silk, but it is still a monkey.
Damn Comunist military!!!
You can dress a monkey in silk, but it is still a monkey.
Posted by: Citizen # 255883400882 at May 18, 2006 02:41 PM (3T8kU)
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john ryan, Adolf Hitler stood up and said many things in public; this is not necessarily an admirable trait. As for myself saying things to people's faces, I have never shrunk from that, and taken and given lumps for it.
I can guarantee you personally one thing. If you ever met me in person your internet braggadoccio would disappear in a stream of urine down your leg, and you would be quite polite.
I can guarantee you personally one thing. If you ever met me in person your internet braggadoccio would disappear in a stream of urine down your leg, and you would be quite polite.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at May 18, 2006 02:57 PM (RHG+K)
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Citizen number whatever, did Franco's thugs remove part of your brain or something, or are you just senile?
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at May 18, 2006 02:59 PM (RHG+K)
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John Murtha points out that marines have killed innocent Iraqi civilians, so of course the only thing we can do is censure John Murtha. God forbid we hold the murderers accountable, but let's punish the guy who tells us about it.
"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil?"
Consider yourself a criminal.
"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil?"
Consider yourself a criminal.
Posted by: miguel at May 18, 2006 03:08 PM (FOdjt)
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It's all about you John.
The men you voted to send to Iraq (remember John, you voted to send them ) probably counted on a little more from you.
How about letting the facts come out and give them their day in court. You owe them at least that much John. They can't just run away when the wind blows in a different direction. They had to stay and deal with the hand you and the other Senators and Congressmen delt them.
For you to bury these guys like this before trial or inquest makes me sick.
The men you voted to send to Iraq (remember John, you voted to send them ) probably counted on a little more from you.
How about letting the facts come out and give them their day in court. You owe them at least that much John. They can't just run away when the wind blows in a different direction. They had to stay and deal with the hand you and the other Senators and Congressmen delt them.
For you to bury these guys like this before trial or inquest makes me sick.
Posted by: Brad at May 18, 2006 03:32 PM (3OPZt)
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Gee Bluto I keep thinking that pretty soon I might even get a personal invitation. I live in Manhattan on 105th street If I am home my bike is always parked out front And I am sure that you would find me polite, but I don't think your desire to see me urinate would be likely unless you were to follow me into the men's room.
Posted by: john Ryan at May 18, 2006 03:51 PM (TcoRJ)
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miguel,
nobody's against punishing marines for killing innocent civilians. I'm all in favor of it. What I find despicable is how you Libs use these occassions to tarnish our military and our country. You people are despicable, and so is Murtha. You don't give a flying fuck about human rights unless you can use it for your America hating agenda. Iraq has made that patently clear.
nobody's against punishing marines for killing innocent civilians. I'm all in favor of it. What I find despicable is how you Libs use these occassions to tarnish our military and our country. You people are despicable, and so is Murtha. You don't give a flying fuck about human rights unless you can use it for your America hating agenda. Iraq has made that patently clear.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 18, 2006 03:55 PM (8e/V4)
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I've never agreed with John Murtha (big time warhawk) but I've always had respect for the uniform and I've always found military men to be stand-up honest guys. Murtha is a former Marine Colonel so he speaks from a position of knowledge when making comments against our continued occupation of Iraq.
What's it going to be Bluto? Support the troops, unless they contradict King George's propaganda machine (Murtha, Shinseki, the generals against Rumsfeld)?
What's it going to be Bluto? Support the troops, unless they contradict King George's propaganda machine (Murtha, Shinseki, the generals against Rumsfeld)?
Posted by: Jake at May 18, 2006 04:03 PM (TWAi3)
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So...
The the half-wits are on the prowl. John Ryan STFU You are an indolent little prick. Why don't you run along and watch some MTV. And as far as you assholes commie and citizen #6546546546 and any others I might have missed, STFU and please ESAD.
The the half-wits are on the prowl. John Ryan STFU You are an indolent little prick. Why don't you run along and watch some MTV. And as far as you assholes commie and citizen #6546546546 and any others I might have missed, STFU and please ESAD.
Posted by: jamsler at May 18, 2006 04:29 PM (VqA/E)
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Just more proof that we have to kill them all sooner or later. Liberals are walking, talking pieces of shit and should be eradicated for the good of humanity.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at May 18, 2006 04:34 PM (0yYS2)
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IM, I've heard you say that many times, but the events of the past few months are bringing me around to your way of thinking.
Posted by: jesusland joe at May 18, 2006 05:01 PM (rUyw4)
Posted by: Leatherneck at May 18, 2006 05:29 PM (D2g/j)
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Hey, you should include the full quotation:
"Our troops overreacted because of the pressure on them. And they killed innocent civilians in cold blood. That is what the report is going to tell."
That last sentence is important.
"Our troops overreacted because of the pressure on them. And they killed innocent civilians in cold blood. That is what the report is going to tell."
That last sentence is important.
Posted by: Juggler at May 18, 2006 06:12 PM (1I4e7)
Posted by: Homeland Security at May 18, 2006 07:14 PM (q5wwn)
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Whether you are for the Iraq War or not, that is not the question here. Murtha's remarks about Marines killing in cold blood is the most despicable use of an incident for political gain. If in fact when a report comes out that verifies his remarks, what gives him the right to inflame the populace by prematurly blurting this from his pulpit. If it is right or wrong to be in Iraq our elected officials still need to support our troops that are in harms way and not endanger them by remarks such as his.
Posted by: Big Treat at May 18, 2006 07:19 PM (SNkWV)
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Buahahahahah..
These neo-cons are awesome...What else do you expect from these retards?...Reason, knowledge. No, of couse not. Nothing but threats ang calls for hanging, shooting, expelling, shitting and spetting on anyone or anything...
Just like Franco's Falange's Youth. Ifreakingdentical. Probably a bunch of faggety neo-con geeks that have never served or face combat and probably spend their weekends playing soliders at their local militia....
Leatherneck: Yes there are. I should know. I served as a ranger in Fort Stuart (GA, for those of you neo-morons that can't read a map) back in the late 80's. I think actually the number is more like 20%.
You can dress a monkey in silk, still a stupid fucking monkey.
These neo-cons are awesome...What else do you expect from these retards?...Reason, knowledge. No, of couse not. Nothing but threats ang calls for hanging, shooting, expelling, shitting and spetting on anyone or anything...
Just like Franco's Falange's Youth. Ifreakingdentical. Probably a bunch of faggety neo-con geeks that have never served or face combat and probably spend their weekends playing soliders at their local militia....
Leatherneck: Yes there are. I should know. I served as a ranger in Fort Stuart (GA, for those of you neo-morons that can't read a map) back in the late 80's. I think actually the number is more like 20%.
You can dress a monkey in silk, still a stupid fucking monkey.
Posted by: Citizen # 255883400882 at May 18, 2006 07:35 PM (jZ6cC)
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When I run and hide, I need secrets, many secrets.
When I follow the money and the lies, I find you folks wishing another Bushie will put one up my backside. We will all get tired of it. Even you.
When I follow the money and the lies, I find you folks wishing another Bushie will put one up my backside. We will all get tired of it. Even you.
Posted by: Tom at May 18, 2006 07:37 PM (12pWd)
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Let's see: Republicans control all three branches of government and in the past 5 years have accomplished absolutely nothing. So all you people do is blame Democrats, liberals, Clinton (either one), or the media.
I used to consider myself conservative because I believe in fiscal responsibility, states rights over fed rights, smaller government and the preservation of civil liberties. Man, those days are over.
"Those who trade security for liberty will neither receive or deserve either." Benjamin Franklin
I used to consider myself conservative because I believe in fiscal responsibility, states rights over fed rights, smaller government and the preservation of civil liberties. Man, those days are over.
"Those who trade security for liberty will neither receive or deserve either." Benjamin Franklin
Posted by: Jake at May 18, 2006 07:38 PM (cOXGQ)
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Hmmm. Much flag waving here. I wonder what the response will be if the news were about some Middle Eastern soldiers storming into civilian homes and murdering them in cold blood just for being unfortunate enough to be within sight of the cruel murder of a comrade, OR Iraq back in it's un-invaded days and with an assasination attempt on a Bath party big wig and the subsequent round up of everyone within the vicinity of that attempt and a death sentence to them all male female and child execute immediately or later. I'm sure everybody that have spoken on behalf of the marines here will also excuse such crimes as acceptable in the special situation......
One mans meal is anothers' poison.....
One mans meal is anothers' poison.....
Posted by: Wee Free at May 18, 2006 07:46 PM (JfWXC)
Posted by: Citizen # 255883400882 at May 18, 2006 07:49 PM (jZ6cC)
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To Jake and the other halfwits: innocent until proven guilty is the law of the land. Murtha does not have a right to abuse his position to say that these Marines are guilty. If they're convicted by Court Martial then he can go to town, but not before.
Innocent until proven guilty is a pretty simple concept, but liberals only seem to advocate it when it suits their agenda. That's been amply proven in this thread.
Innocent until proven guilty is a pretty simple concept, but liberals only seem to advocate it when it suits their agenda. That's been amply proven in this thread.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at May 18, 2006 08:26 PM (RHG+K)
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Wee Free: do you mean like on 9/11 (thought they weren't soldiers), or have you already forgotten that day?
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at May 18, 2006 08:28 PM (RHG+K)
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Citizen#whatever,
If you really were a ranger, I think you would recall the proper spelling of your duty post. It is spelled Fort STEWART, not Fort Stuart. Pretty sloppy of you not to remember the proper name of your post. Kinda makes YOU look like the neo-moron ya damned fascist.
If you really were a ranger, I think you would recall the proper spelling of your duty post. It is spelled Fort STEWART, not Fort Stuart. Pretty sloppy of you not to remember the proper name of your post. Kinda makes YOU look like the neo-moron ya damned fascist.
Posted by: jaybear at May 18, 2006 08:30 PM (5gqp1)
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Oh yeah, one more thing citizen #whatever....Since about 1975, the same year that Franco died and Juan Carlos assumed power in Spain, Fort STEWART has been home to the 24th ID. It is now home to the 3rd ID and support units. If you were a Ranger in the late 80's...then that would mean that you were born sometime in the late 60's right? towards the end of Franco's reign? right?
you can dress an asshole in silk, but he'll still be full of shit
you can dress an asshole in silk, but he'll still be full of shit
Posted by: jaybear at May 18, 2006 09:09 PM (5gqp1)
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Jaybear: You caught me on a mispelling. Oh no, God forbid!! Shoooooot. Damn, I guess you won.
You kidding me?.. That is the best you can do? Really? This is it?. This is the depth and width of your mind?
Nah...C'mon there chief, you can do much better than that. Give it another shot. Seriously. But this time, no Truthiness. Give me some real threats, something really "neo-con-ish". you know, like the other cats in here.
You kiddo you. You are special. Yes you are. yes you are.
Hahahahaha
You kidding me?.. That is the best you can do? Really? This is it?. This is the depth and width of your mind?
Nah...C'mon there chief, you can do much better than that. Give it another shot. Seriously. But this time, no Truthiness. Give me some real threats, something really "neo-con-ish". you know, like the other cats in here.
You kiddo you. You are special. Yes you are. yes you are.
Hahahahaha
Posted by: Citizen # 255883400882 at May 18, 2006 09:17 PM (jZ6cC)
Posted by: Citizen # 255883400882 at May 18, 2006 09:24 PM (jZ6cC)
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Not a misspelling citizen#traitor, an outright lie. So far you haven't refuted anything I've said....show some proof about your service sir, what was your pay grade? when was your discharge date? give the name of your unit...
when did you live in Spain?
looking forward to your next round of stuttering...or is it past your bedtime?
when did you live in Spain?
looking forward to your next round of stuttering...or is it past your bedtime?
Posted by: jaybear at May 18, 2006 09:27 PM (5gqp1)
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Murtha has really gone too far this time. Censure him is right. I mean, censue anybody that won't censure him. On one side, you have the tree huggers frothing at the mouth over some good old boys in a bad situation in a very bad place. Over thirty thousand murders of Iraqi citizens by US troops have been documented. Happens every day. Why raise a stink now? Liberal commies.
Posted by: David at May 18, 2006 09:45 PM (uS1Ao)
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He will probibly get a offer from hollywood in a movie directed by ether MICHEAL MOORE or OLIVER STONE
Posted by: sandpiper at May 18, 2006 09:58 PM (as4nC)
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>>> I find funny as shit how little here in Amercia people ACTUALLY know what a facist goverment looks like...
Citizen,
count yourself among those who don't know what a fascist government looks like. I lived in Pinochet's Chile for 5 years, AND I spent many of my childhood summers with relatives in Franco's Spain. Top that one you silly little clown.
People like you that toss around the word 'fascism' like it was used cleanex are idiots. You insult the verey memory people who have been the real victims of fascism, including my family in Spain who at least one of them died fighting the fascists, as well as friends of my family in Chile, some of whom were tortured and exiled.
You make me want to toss my cookies when you imply things about our government that you don't have th e sligthest clue about.
Citizen,
count yourself among those who don't know what a fascist government looks like. I lived in Pinochet's Chile for 5 years, AND I spent many of my childhood summers with relatives in Franco's Spain. Top that one you silly little clown.
People like you that toss around the word 'fascism' like it was used cleanex are idiots. You insult the verey memory people who have been the real victims of fascism, including my family in Spain who at least one of them died fighting the fascists, as well as friends of my family in Chile, some of whom were tortured and exiled.
You make me want to toss my cookies when you imply things about our government that you don't have th e sligthest clue about.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 18, 2006 10:09 PM (8e/V4)
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Oh, and I forgot, I lived in Ecuador too for 3 years in the early 70s, also under a military dictatorship. Top that, asshole. I love it when ignoramus Libtards try to pull rank on how sophisticated and worldly they are. You are neither. You are legends in your own minds, and nothing more.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 18, 2006 10:13 PM (8e/V4)
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If by censure, you all mean hang by the neck until dead, then I'm on board.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at May 19, 2006 04:58 AM (0yYS2)
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Murtha led the Pentagon investigation you morons, and Time magazine agrees with the conclusion. He is a good man standing up for what he sees as a huge mistake.
Google it for yourself, this is Imperialism at its worst, when will you stop blindly following your government?
http://www.google.ca/search?q=+pentagon+marines+Haditha
Google it for yourself, this is Imperialism at its worst, when will you stop blindly following your government?
http://www.google.ca/search?q=+pentagon+marines+Haditha
Posted by: Canadian at May 19, 2006 05:05 AM (PjK9S)
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From Jake: "I used to consider myself conservative because I believe in fiscal responsibility, states rights over fed rights, smaller government and the preservation of civil liberties. Man, those days are over."
So now you're a liberal for these reasons? Those who favor big government, litigation, excessive regulation and higher taxes to pay for it all? That's how liberals define "fiscal responsibility" you know - high taxes to cover a multitude of sin. I'm confused. Because being a conservative STILL means all those things you mentioned above.
And citizenwhatever: If things are so bad here, us being such fascists you know (you forgot to throw "nazi" in there), I hear that Franco's dead and Spain is no longer fascist. It might be a good time for you to move back. Since you're so miserable here and all.
So now you're a liberal for these reasons? Those who favor big government, litigation, excessive regulation and higher taxes to pay for it all? That's how liberals define "fiscal responsibility" you know - high taxes to cover a multitude of sin. I'm confused. Because being a conservative STILL means all those things you mentioned above.
And citizenwhatever: If things are so bad here, us being such fascists you know (you forgot to throw "nazi" in there), I hear that Franco's dead and Spain is no longer fascist. It might be a good time for you to move back. Since you're so miserable here and all.
Posted by: Oyster at May 19, 2006 05:46 AM (YudAC)
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"If by censure, you all mean hang by the neck until dead, then I'm on board."
Cool, a death threat on a Congressman.
I'm pretty sure that's illegal.
Cool, a death threat on a Congressman.
I'm pretty sure that's illegal.
Posted by: Theo at May 19, 2006 07:22 AM (7AEHv)
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So if you are at war how can making the war worse for your men help? How can inciting enemy hatred get them home faster? If Murtha sees a problem that's fine. He was sent to Washington to deal with problems. The people elected him to to so and look out for their interests. He has many options other than attacking our men in the press. It's political. He abdicated the best interests of the nation by using it politically. He can raise hell with the president and oversee the military justice process honorably but he did not. He is failing in his duty to his nation, it's soldiers and the people they protect. He works for al-Qaeda now.
Posted by: Howie at May 19, 2006 07:24 AM (D3+20)
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>>>He should be beaten and tortured mercilessly by US Troops and then viciously slaughtered and his entrails dragged through the capitol. His children and all living family members should also be tortured and slaughtered. This man was always a coward and a traitor to the military and should get his just reward.
Aashamed Patriot,
how bout instead you just go back to Daily Kos where you came from. Notice Kos requires people to register to post, while here morons like you can just show up and pollute threads at your leisure.
Aashamed Patriot,
how bout instead you just go back to Daily Kos where you came from. Notice Kos requires people to register to post, while here morons like you can just show up and pollute threads at your leisure.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 19, 2006 08:48 AM (8e/V4)
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WoW,
Innocent Civilians?
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck; IT IS A DUCK.
If you are on a duck hunt monkey boy there are no innocent ducks.
Innocent Civilians?
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck; IT IS A DUCK.
If you are on a duck hunt monkey boy there are no innocent ducks.
Posted by: The Curmudgeon at May 19, 2006 08:50 AM (jeBXX)
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So if Milosevic went to the hague for war crimes should Bush not be the next resident there. I hear there is a vacant cell?
No, Bush will get a statue and these marines will be defended because they were under stress, which of course normally causes people to shoot children point blank!!
But yes, go on attack Murtha for making sure the truth gets out, it was commanders in Iraq who fed him this news because they understand the stupidity of their presence there and want to bring their men home.
The longer these wars go on the more often these types of atrocities happen, on both sides. And america still has yet to accomplish anything worthwhile in Iraq.
.
No, Bush will get a statue and these marines will be defended because they were under stress, which of course normally causes people to shoot children point blank!!
But yes, go on attack Murtha for making sure the truth gets out, it was commanders in Iraq who fed him this news because they understand the stupidity of their presence there and want to bring their men home.
The longer these wars go on the more often these types of atrocities happen, on both sides. And america still has yet to accomplish anything worthwhile in Iraq.
.
Posted by: Yikes! at May 19, 2006 10:11 AM (hfa+w)
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Yikes indeed. So you believe in the old English principle of guilty until proven innocent? And you believe that Iraq was better off under Saddam and that we should have passively waited for the next al Qaeda attack in America rather than providing them with a battleground in their own neighborhood?
Typical Leftist pinhead.
Typical Leftist pinhead.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at May 19, 2006 10:15 AM (RHG+K)
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One small point: innocent until proven guilty is not binding on the speech of members of Congress, or anyone except those directly involved in the judicial system. Members of Congress give their opinions about ongoing legal proceedings with great regularity. For example, when Newt was in the minority, and a Democrat was under investigation. Or, when Susan Smith had just been accused of killing her children, and Newt blamed it on Democratic values. Or when Richard Nixon, in the middle of Manson's trial, told reporters Manson was guilty. Or, when Enron broke. The list is endless.
So your point is: Murtha should be censured for...what exactly? speaking out on a tragic incident?
OK...because the first amendment shouldn't apply to members of Congress.
Time to rethink that, methinks.
So your point is: Murtha should be censured for...what exactly? speaking out on a tragic incident?
OK...because the first amendment shouldn't apply to members of Congress.
Time to rethink that, methinks.
Posted by: jd at May 19, 2006 10:28 AM (aqTJB)
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"If you ever met me in person your internet braggadoccio would disappear in a stream of urine down your leg, and you would be quite polite."
--Bluto
"Citizen number whatever, did Franco's thugs remove part of your brain or something, or are you just senile?"
--Bluto
"To Jake and the other halfwits..."
--Bluto
"Typical Leftist pinhead."
--Bluto
Yes, you're clearly a polite, well-spoken, and fully competent individual with a number of well-defined, defensible positions that are strongly backed by fact and impressive debate tactics.
I can't possibly imagine why anybody would ever disagree with you with such compelling and intelligent arguments presented in such an even-keeled and persuasive manner as these.
--Bluto
"Citizen number whatever, did Franco's thugs remove part of your brain or something, or are you just senile?"
--Bluto
"To Jake and the other halfwits..."
--Bluto
"Typical Leftist pinhead."
--Bluto
Yes, you're clearly a polite, well-spoken, and fully competent individual with a number of well-defined, defensible positions that are strongly backed by fact and impressive debate tactics.
I can't possibly imagine why anybody would ever disagree with you with such compelling and intelligent arguments presented in such an even-keeled and persuasive manner as these.
Posted by: TxMxP at May 19, 2006 11:31 AM (gOPcw)
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Did you have the same opinion when Republicans in Congress were not exactly waiting to the end of the legal process in: Whitewater, filegate, travelgate, lewinskygate, the Espy investigation, the Cisneros investigation...(and it should be noted that in ALL of those investigations, not a single executive branch official was convicted of anything related to a Clinton administration job)?
Or did you advocate the censuring of DeLay, Gingrich, Helms, Burton....etc etc.?
Or did you advocate the censuring of DeLay, Gingrich, Helms, Burton....etc etc.?
Posted by: jd at May 19, 2006 11:33 AM (aqTJB)
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jd --
The past bad behavior of the republicans doesn't excuse the current bad behavior of a democrat.
Murtha's comments were clearly designed in an emotional manner to create an outcry. If he'd merely stated the basic facts, that would be one thing, but he:
1. Politicized a tragedy.
2. Took on the role of Judge, Jury and Executioner before the military even had a chance to accuse and try anybody themselves.
I imagine you criticized Bush - and rightly so - when he did similar things with 9/11, Katrina, etc. Now it's time to see if you can put your money where your mouth is and prove that you really are "better" than the blind Bush devotees. Murtha screwed up, so hold him accountable even though it means weakening "your party".
The past bad behavior of the republicans doesn't excuse the current bad behavior of a democrat.
Murtha's comments were clearly designed in an emotional manner to create an outcry. If he'd merely stated the basic facts, that would be one thing, but he:
1. Politicized a tragedy.
2. Took on the role of Judge, Jury and Executioner before the military even had a chance to accuse and try anybody themselves.
I imagine you criticized Bush - and rightly so - when he did similar things with 9/11, Katrina, etc. Now it's time to see if you can put your money where your mouth is and prove that you really are "better" than the blind Bush devotees. Murtha screwed up, so hold him accountable even though it means weakening "your party".
Posted by: TxMxP at May 19, 2006 11:47 AM (gOPcw)
Posted by: Howie at May 19, 2006 11:57 AM (D3+20)
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jd, are you kidding? Those were juicy stories! ;-)
But then Murtha's talk is fodder for the enemy in a time of war. I wouldn't call for his censure, but I do think his motives stem from more than just patriotism or a concern for the troops. I do think he has a chip on his shoulder because his ideas were rejected by this administration. He's a proud man and now he picks his issues carefully for maximum impact, maybe too proud, and his speech about the troops "living hand to mouth" and being "broken" and "demoralized" was over the top. The vast majority of the troops denounce his assertions.
The voters will speak when it's time for his re-election. If New Jersey constituents think he speaks well for them, then so be it. I personally wouldn't vote for him.
But then Murtha's talk is fodder for the enemy in a time of war. I wouldn't call for his censure, but I do think his motives stem from more than just patriotism or a concern for the troops. I do think he has a chip on his shoulder because his ideas were rejected by this administration. He's a proud man and now he picks his issues carefully for maximum impact, maybe too proud, and his speech about the troops "living hand to mouth" and being "broken" and "demoralized" was over the top. The vast majority of the troops denounce his assertions.
The voters will speak when it's time for his re-election. If New Jersey constituents think he speaks well for them, then so be it. I personally wouldn't vote for him.
Posted by: Oyster at May 19, 2006 12:01 PM (QQzPp)
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>>>Yes, you're clearly a polite, well-spoken, and fully competent individual with a number of well-defined, defensible positions that are strongly backed by fact and impressive debate tactics.
You come hear to troll, and then you pretend outrage when you're told to fuck off. lol! Lefty orwellianism knows no bounds. Come hear with a respectful attitude to argue the issues, and you'll be treated respectfully. Otherwise kindly fuckoff.
You come hear to troll, and then you pretend outrage when you're told to fuck off. lol! Lefty orwellianism knows no bounds. Come hear with a respectful attitude to argue the issues, and you'll be treated respectfully. Otherwise kindly fuckoff.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 19, 2006 12:26 PM (8e/V4)
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>>>>You come hear to troll, and then you pretend outrage when you're told to fuck off. lol! Lefty orwellianism knows no bounds. Come hear with a respectful attitude to argue the issues, and you'll be treated respectfully. Otherwise kindly fuckoff.
Uh... huh. You quoted from my very first post, saying that it was "outrage" because somebody told me to "fuck off".
How exactly does that work? I mean, how was I told to leave.... before I even got here? Are you saying that his place is full of psychics?
Ignoring the fact that your post is complete nonsense and violates the most basic principles of spacetime physics, I wonder, exactly, what "respectful" means to a guy who's entire post revolves around profanity and political slurs? Considering that your idea of "respect" apparently involves insulting and cursing at other posters without any apparent provocation, you'll have to excuse me if I dismiss your complaints that I don't act "respectful" in your opinion.
Uh... huh. You quoted from my very first post, saying that it was "outrage" because somebody told me to "fuck off".
How exactly does that work? I mean, how was I told to leave.... before I even got here? Are you saying that his place is full of psychics?
Ignoring the fact that your post is complete nonsense and violates the most basic principles of spacetime physics, I wonder, exactly, what "respectful" means to a guy who's entire post revolves around profanity and political slurs? Considering that your idea of "respect" apparently involves insulting and cursing at other posters without any apparent provocation, you'll have to excuse me if I dismiss your complaints that I don't act "respectful" in your opinion.
Posted by: TxMxP at May 19, 2006 12:51 PM (gOPcw)
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TxMxP,
I'll chalk your comment up as just a lame attempt to be clever so as to avoid making a comment with any real substance. I've been doing this long enough to recognize nothing when I see it.
But I'll try again. Did you get on Citizen's case for coming here and calling people "retards"? No, you ignored that but pretended offense when someone flamed him back. It's that simple. You'd have to be incredibly obtuse or retarded not to get it. It's happens all the time on this blog. Leftards come here with an attitude, and when they get attitude back that's supposed to prove what meanies rightwingers are. That's all you did. Orwell is rolling in his grave.
Come here with a respectful attitude and discuss the issues-- not how "retarded" the "neocons" are-- and you'll be treated with repect. Otherwise, kindly fuckoff.
I'll chalk your comment up as just a lame attempt to be clever so as to avoid making a comment with any real substance. I've been doing this long enough to recognize nothing when I see it.
But I'll try again. Did you get on Citizen's case for coming here and calling people "retards"? No, you ignored that but pretended offense when someone flamed him back. It's that simple. You'd have to be incredibly obtuse or retarded not to get it. It's happens all the time on this blog. Leftards come here with an attitude, and when they get attitude back that's supposed to prove what meanies rightwingers are. That's all you did. Orwell is rolling in his grave.
Come here with a respectful attitude and discuss the issues-- not how "retarded" the "neocons" are-- and you'll be treated with repect. Otherwise, kindly fuckoff.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 19, 2006 01:14 PM (8e/V4)
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Excellent point. Whereas I've called Bluto out for his insolent chest-thumping superiority complex and merely ignored Citizen for being generally abusive from the get-go, I should have done what everyone else did - which invited a truly mind-boggingly intelligent argument, but the way, kudos on your intellectual foray - and focused on the guy that was just trying to cause problems to begin with while holding Bluto up as an exemplary case of how to respond to disruptive forum posters.
Yes, clearly, I just don't "get it" and you've shown me the light. Obviously, your tactic worked excellently and everybody here has benefited from the insight generated in the resulting melee.
In the meantime, as your very first post in the thread was laced with profanity that hasn't stopped since, I have little interest in what you think is "respectful". You can lecture me on respect when you gain some. Until then, feel free to stop wasting both of our time. As you might have noticed if you weren't so busy slinging about arbitrary political labels to so desperately avoid anything approaching a competent, meaningful claim, I have an interest in discussing the actual issue at hand.
Yes, clearly, I just don't "get it" and you've shown me the light. Obviously, your tactic worked excellently and everybody here has benefited from the insight generated in the resulting melee.
In the meantime, as your very first post in the thread was laced with profanity that hasn't stopped since, I have little interest in what you think is "respectful". You can lecture me on respect when you gain some. Until then, feel free to stop wasting both of our time. As you might have noticed if you weren't so busy slinging about arbitrary political labels to so desperately avoid anything approaching a competent, meaningful claim, I have an interest in discussing the actual issue at hand.
Posted by: TxMxP at May 19, 2006 01:33 PM (gOPcw)
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TxMxP: either contribute something or go back to Kos. FYI, since this is MY thread, accusing me of insolence is a case of the pot calling the driven snow black.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at May 19, 2006 01:48 PM (RHG+K)
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 19, 2006 01:57 PM (8e/V4)
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I wasn't aware that insolence had become a relative term. Although, perhaps that justifies my prior observation that some people in these parts believe that profanity is what constitutes respectful behavior.
Perhaps you would feel better if I additionally accused you of myopia, since you chose to completely ignore the post I made dealing specifically and only with the subject at hand - a post which nobody who continually demands discussion on the topic seems to want to acknowledge exists.
I enjoy arguing with people who constantly expound about "liberals" and "leftists" in general, vague ways. They constantly sling accusations that are only valid because they choose to accept only a small portion of their reality as being real. The fact that two of you now have gleefully claimed that I haven't posted in relation to the actual topic when I've in fact made my position on Murtha's comments quite clearly known further justifies my opinion that a very large portion of what constitutes the vocal wing of the right-leaning politicos and pundits in this country are only interested in generating noise, insults, and threats, and have absolutely no interest in doing right by America in any sense of the word.
Perhaps you would feel better if I additionally accused you of myopia, since you chose to completely ignore the post I made dealing specifically and only with the subject at hand - a post which nobody who continually demands discussion on the topic seems to want to acknowledge exists.
I enjoy arguing with people who constantly expound about "liberals" and "leftists" in general, vague ways. They constantly sling accusations that are only valid because they choose to accept only a small portion of their reality as being real. The fact that two of you now have gleefully claimed that I haven't posted in relation to the actual topic when I've in fact made my position on Murtha's comments quite clearly known further justifies my opinion that a very large portion of what constitutes the vocal wing of the right-leaning politicos and pundits in this country are only interested in generating noise, insults, and threats, and have absolutely no interest in doing right by America in any sense of the word.
Posted by: TxMxP at May 19, 2006 01:59 PM (gOPcw)
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>>>perhaps that justifies my prior observation that some people in these parts believe that profanity is what constitutes respectful behavior.
TxMxP,
that would make your prior observation an incredibly obtuse or retarded one. Because I don't see anywhere on this thread where someone said using profanity constitutes respectful behaviour. And yet you impute it to me (or Bluto). That makes you an intellectually dishonest retard. Profanity is clearly disrespectful. That's why people use it. Which is how you'll be treated if you come here with an attitude. I think that makes it the third time I say this. And still the retard doesn't get it.
TxMxP,
that would make your prior observation an incredibly obtuse or retarded one. Because I don't see anywhere on this thread where someone said using profanity constitutes respectful behaviour. And yet you impute it to me (or Bluto). That makes you an intellectually dishonest retard. Profanity is clearly disrespectful. That's why people use it. Which is how you'll be treated if you come here with an attitude. I think that makes it the third time I say this. And still the retard doesn't get it.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 19, 2006 02:32 PM (8e/V4)
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Hey Theo, kiss my ass then google some comments made by your fellow leftards about Bush, including implicit and explicit threats against him. Don't try that shit with me you idiot, because you're not smart enough to read my grocery list.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at May 19, 2006 02:48 PM (0yYS2)
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...the right-leaning politicos and pundits in this country are only interested in generating noise, insults, and threats,..."
Did you just expound on right-leaning politicos and pundits in a vague, general way? Why yes. You did.
Did you just expound on right-leaning politicos and pundits in a vague, general way? Why yes. You did.
Posted by: Oyster at May 19, 2006 03:18 PM (QQzPp)
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TxMxP: the regulars here know that I don't suffer fools gladly, especially when they repeat the same juvenile points over and over again.
If you insist on being coddled, I'd suggest that you visit The Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler. Emperor Misha is renowned for his patience with people like you. Be sure to tell him I sent you.
If you insist on being coddled, I'd suggest that you visit The Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler. Emperor Misha is renowned for his patience with people like you. Be sure to tell him I sent you.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at May 19, 2006 03:52 PM (RHG+K)
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>>Did you just expound on right-leaning politicos and pundits in a vague, general way? Why yes. You did.
And I cite this board, LGF, Free Republic, Bill O'Reilly, Ann Coulter, and the entire Bush Administration as evidence to support my assertion. Feel free to cite the many pundits and blogs on the left who are equally as intellectually inferior as these groups if you'd care to assert the same about the left (though they're rarely as predisposed to violent rhetoric as the right-wingers, so at least they have that minor advantage).
>>If you insist on being coddled, I'd suggest that you visit The Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler. Emperor Misha is renowned for his patience with people like you. Be sure to tell him I sent you.
In other words you have nothing intelligent to say about my comments regarding the topic, so you hope I go away so you don't have to continue to pretend you have something worthwhile to say.
Fear not. I've gotten exactly the immature and unintelligent reaction I expected, so I have no more need to try and pretend that I think you could actually participate in a reasonable discussion. My point is sufficiently proven: you have no validation for your radical opinions and no interest in obtaining any, you just want an audience that will bite on your words without actually thinking about the content. You have, effectively, provided additional evidence for the ignorance of the radical right's opinions.
So, for the time-being I'll be going and won't embarrass you any further.
And I cite this board, LGF, Free Republic, Bill O'Reilly, Ann Coulter, and the entire Bush Administration as evidence to support my assertion. Feel free to cite the many pundits and blogs on the left who are equally as intellectually inferior as these groups if you'd care to assert the same about the left (though they're rarely as predisposed to violent rhetoric as the right-wingers, so at least they have that minor advantage).
>>If you insist on being coddled, I'd suggest that you visit The Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler. Emperor Misha is renowned for his patience with people like you. Be sure to tell him I sent you.
In other words you have nothing intelligent to say about my comments regarding the topic, so you hope I go away so you don't have to continue to pretend you have something worthwhile to say.
Fear not. I've gotten exactly the immature and unintelligent reaction I expected, so I have no more need to try and pretend that I think you could actually participate in a reasonable discussion. My point is sufficiently proven: you have no validation for your radical opinions and no interest in obtaining any, you just want an audience that will bite on your words without actually thinking about the content. You have, effectively, provided additional evidence for the ignorance of the radical right's opinions.
So, for the time-being I'll be going and won't embarrass you any further.
Posted by: TxMxP at May 19, 2006 06:37 PM (ZNd6p)
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Murtha is a traitor and an embarassment to all ex-Marines. He would not be welcome at any Marine function or ex-Marine celebration. We celebrate the Marine Corps birthday down here. Would love to see the prick show up after we had a few drinks.
Posted by: greyrooster at May 19, 2006 08:14 PM (AWtJU)
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Dickweed pendejo Mr Jesusland Carlos "lived" under ..how many...? Three right wing dictatorships and now he is an ultra-conservative: Sounds to me like either probably was the son or family of one of these ex-military dictatorships assholes or just a very stupid wipe ass that obviously did not get enough the first three times.
Ok Little Pinochetito...
Hahahaha..These idiots get trolled and STILL keep answering...
Buahahahahaha.
Awesome.
Ok Little Pinochetito...
Hahahaha..These idiots get trolled and STILL keep answering...
Buahahahahaha.
Awesome.
Posted by: Citizen # 255883400882 at May 19, 2006 08:33 PM (jZ6cC)
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poor TxMxP ... just couldn't go the distance!
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at May 19, 2006 08:37 PM (FCC6c)
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Citizen,
I guess you didn't read my post. My family-- unlike yours-- ACTUALLY suffered under ACTUAL fascism-- not the "fascism" of your fevered moonbat deliriums where "Bush" is hitler and Amerikkka is "nazi." You have no real world experience with fascism because you are a fraud and a liar. Your little "Franco" story was supposed to lend you some gravitas but instead it just made you look like fradulent twit.
I guess you didn't read my post. My family-- unlike yours-- ACTUALLY suffered under ACTUAL fascism-- not the "fascism" of your fevered moonbat deliriums where "Bush" is hitler and Amerikkka is "nazi." You have no real world experience with fascism because you are a fraud and a liar. Your little "Franco" story was supposed to lend you some gravitas but instead it just made you look like fradulent twit.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 20, 2006 01:35 AM (8e/V4)
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This has been one of the funniest threads I've seen in a while. These leftards want to their posts to sound intelligent, profound, and witty, but they're just amusing, but not in a good way. What passes for intelligence nowadays is amazing; if we shifted the IQ scale to give every moonbat the genius quotient they think they have, say between 130 and 150, I'd be somewhere around 1000.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at May 20, 2006 07:49 AM (0yYS2)
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"This has been one of the funniest threads I've seen in a while. These leftards want to their posts to sound intelligent, profound, and witty, but they're just amusing, but not in a good way. What passes for intelligence nowadays is amazing; if we shifted the IQ scale to give every moonbat the genius quotient they think they have, say between 130 and 150, I'd be somewhere around 1000."
That's an awful lot of words you used to say "I sure hope passerby don't read the whole thread and realize what I fool posters on this site are".
That's an awful lot of words you used to say "I sure hope passerby don't read the whole thread and realize what I fool posters on this site are".
Posted by: TxMxP at May 20, 2006 11:21 AM (ZNd6p)
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The funny thing is the Pentagon just confirmed Murthas claims. They must be liberals too. This "blog" is telling, really a fount of psychological data of what comprises the hateful and ignorant among us. Thnak god these folks are the minority. I particularly like improbulus' threats, they exude impotence, a resentful pathetic man who howls his phony tough guy world on the web...too funny. Is improbulus the btk killer surfing the web from prison?....you get em dog catcher!
commie
I also find incredibly interesting the idea that we can ignore facts and replace them with terms like "moonbat". That makes a great argument.
commie
I also find incredibly interesting the idea that we can ignore facts and replace them with terms like "moonbat". That makes a great argument.
Posted by: commie777 at May 20, 2006 01:08 PM (1esPS)
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>>>I also find incredibly interesting the idea that we can ignore facts and replace them with terms like "moonbat".
On the contrary, Leftardism is a kind of mental delusion where facts are irrelevant. That's why the term "moonbat" is factual. I don't use that term merely for people I disagree with. That term applies to Leftwingers so deluded by ideology as to be basically mentally ill. Someone who compares Franco's Spain to "Bush" and Amerikkka is mentally ill or so ignorant of the facts as to be no better than mentally ill. It goes WAY beyond mere disagreement. There's no other way to explain that kind of stupidity but mental illness. And that's why "moonbat" is factual.
On the contrary, Leftardism is a kind of mental delusion where facts are irrelevant. That's why the term "moonbat" is factual. I don't use that term merely for people I disagree with. That term applies to Leftwingers so deluded by ideology as to be basically mentally ill. Someone who compares Franco's Spain to "Bush" and Amerikkka is mentally ill or so ignorant of the facts as to be no better than mentally ill. It goes WAY beyond mere disagreement. There's no other way to explain that kind of stupidity but mental illness. And that's why "moonbat" is factual.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 20, 2006 02:00 PM (8e/V4)
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Careful, IM, you could really hurt yourself-- if you fell off your ego and landed on your IQ, you'd be going at terminal velocity.
Posted by: jd at May 20, 2006 02:50 PM (GZdxw)
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Wow, we've all just witnessed the sum-total of all the brainpower of all leftardom expressed in a whimper rather than a bang. I hope you all enjoy your middle-school wit, because it's all you've got, and it won't do you much good very soon.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at May 20, 2006 07:40 PM (0yYS2)
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>>I hope you all enjoy your middle-school wit, because it's all you've got, and it won't do you much good very soon.
You're right. Since people like you have spent the last six years desperately trying to slander "the left" (where "left" is described best as "liberals, moderates, conservatives and, well, those who disagree with your personal views pretty much [which is ironic in this context since I agree that Murtha stepped well over the line]"), most of the country has realized that you have nothing to say about any actual issue, and they'll be voting in Democrats to shut you up. Granted, all this means is that the Democrats will eventually radicalize and become as silly and trite as you, but that's a few years off so I have time to transition over to embarassing them.
See, maybe when you sit down, shut your mouth, and breifly engage your brain for the first time in six years, you'll realize that slinging around random, highly general insults in lieu of stating any actual positions doesn't play well to anyone outside your tiny little radicalized group. You may have managed to figure out how to use 'blogs' (congratulations, the extreme right has managed to become as intelligent as a typical MySpace user, you must be terribly proud), but the fact that those blogs reproduce like rabbits only serves to prove that you have very large mouths and nothing more.
See, most of the country is moderate, and they have jobs, families, and social lives, so it's not that their relative lack of a voice is evidence that you have any sort of political control, it's just evidence that you have nothing worthwhile to do with your spare time.
You're right. Since people like you have spent the last six years desperately trying to slander "the left" (where "left" is described best as "liberals, moderates, conservatives and, well, those who disagree with your personal views pretty much [which is ironic in this context since I agree that Murtha stepped well over the line]"), most of the country has realized that you have nothing to say about any actual issue, and they'll be voting in Democrats to shut you up. Granted, all this means is that the Democrats will eventually radicalize and become as silly and trite as you, but that's a few years off so I have time to transition over to embarassing them.
See, maybe when you sit down, shut your mouth, and breifly engage your brain for the first time in six years, you'll realize that slinging around random, highly general insults in lieu of stating any actual positions doesn't play well to anyone outside your tiny little radicalized group. You may have managed to figure out how to use 'blogs' (congratulations, the extreme right has managed to become as intelligent as a typical MySpace user, you must be terribly proud), but the fact that those blogs reproduce like rabbits only serves to prove that you have very large mouths and nothing more.
See, most of the country is moderate, and they have jobs, families, and social lives, so it's not that their relative lack of a voice is evidence that you have any sort of political control, it's just evidence that you have nothing worthwhile to do with your spare time.
Posted by: TxMxP at May 21, 2006 07:33 AM (ZNd6p)
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Heh. What a fucking hypocritical moron you are TxMxP: ...slinging around random, highly general insults in lieu of stating any actual positions doesn't play well to anyone outside your tiny little radicalized group.
You may have managed to figure out how to use 'blogs' (congratulations, the extreme right has managed to become as intelligent as a typical MySpace user, you must be terribly proud), but the fact that those blogs reproduce like rabbits only serves to prove that you have very large mouths and nothing more.
Talking to yourself, idiot? Fuck you and every other liberal moron on the planet, and your muslim masters you piece of shit. The only thing I want to do with you and your kind is to watch until you stop kicking, and considering how fast society is falling apart and the government is losing control of the country because of political greed and corruption in both parties, I won't have long to wait. There'll be war in America soon, and your kind are gutless cowards, so enjoy your privileged life of blissful stupidity while you can, because the ride will be over soon, and your muslim friends will be strapping suicide vests on you, if we don't get you first. You're screwed, but then, you picked the team you wanted to play on.
You may have managed to figure out how to use 'blogs' (congratulations, the extreme right has managed to become as intelligent as a typical MySpace user, you must be terribly proud), but the fact that those blogs reproduce like rabbits only serves to prove that you have very large mouths and nothing more.
Talking to yourself, idiot? Fuck you and every other liberal moron on the planet, and your muslim masters you piece of shit. The only thing I want to do with you and your kind is to watch until you stop kicking, and considering how fast society is falling apart and the government is losing control of the country because of political greed and corruption in both parties, I won't have long to wait. There'll be war in America soon, and your kind are gutless cowards, so enjoy your privileged life of blissful stupidity while you can, because the ride will be over soon, and your muslim friends will be strapping suicide vests on you, if we don't get you first. You're screwed, but then, you picked the team you wanted to play on.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at May 21, 2006 08:04 AM (0yYS2)
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IM has nothing of substance to say except to repeat his kill the liberals and muslims mantra. Just a pesky waste of blog space.
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at May 21, 2006 09:21 AM (FCC6c)
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>>Fuck you and every other liberal moron on the planet, and your muslim masters you piece of shit.
My god, with such wit and wisdom it's no wonder that I feel so terribly overpowered by your intellectual capacities and wonderously persuasive decorum.
>>There'll be war in America soon, and your kind are gutless cowards
Typical. You know who else wants "war in America"? Osama bin Laden. What wonderful company you keep.
>>...and considering how fast society is falling apart and the government is losing control of the country because of political greed and corruption in both parties...
Oh, I absolutely agree. The difference is that I"m not a troglodyte and I believe in using the American system that our Founding Fathers (you do remember them occasionally, don't you?) gave us rather than acting like a chest-thumping, violent brigand to fix the problem.
Which of us, is a coward, by the way? The guy who came in here and started slapping you all in the face for your insolent, violent sophistry, or the guy who's sitting here lashing out with violent threats in the comfort of longterm companions? The guy who's standing by the principles of true republican democracy, or the guy who's apparently of the belief that he can threaten his terrorist ideology into other people?
You can't threaten me into radicalization, and that's the prime difference between you and I. When the towers fell, you wet your pants and started jumping at every shadow on every corner, and I, believing that the American way was perfectly capable of dealing with the threat without pandering to psychopathy, continued to think clearly and stand for what I beleived in.
I'm sorry, but which one of us is the coward here?
You're the kind of people that Oklahoma City bombings are made of. The only difference between you and "the muslims" is that at least the Muslims can say they're an invading force, whereas you're just a butcher trying to bring genocide to your own country. Good job.
My god, with such wit and wisdom it's no wonder that I feel so terribly overpowered by your intellectual capacities and wonderously persuasive decorum.
>>There'll be war in America soon, and your kind are gutless cowards
Typical. You know who else wants "war in America"? Osama bin Laden. What wonderful company you keep.
>>...and considering how fast society is falling apart and the government is losing control of the country because of political greed and corruption in both parties...
Oh, I absolutely agree. The difference is that I"m not a troglodyte and I believe in using the American system that our Founding Fathers (you do remember them occasionally, don't you?) gave us rather than acting like a chest-thumping, violent brigand to fix the problem.
Which of us, is a coward, by the way? The guy who came in here and started slapping you all in the face for your insolent, violent sophistry, or the guy who's sitting here lashing out with violent threats in the comfort of longterm companions? The guy who's standing by the principles of true republican democracy, or the guy who's apparently of the belief that he can threaten his terrorist ideology into other people?
You can't threaten me into radicalization, and that's the prime difference between you and I. When the towers fell, you wet your pants and started jumping at every shadow on every corner, and I, believing that the American way was perfectly capable of dealing with the threat without pandering to psychopathy, continued to think clearly and stand for what I beleived in.
I'm sorry, but which one of us is the coward here?
You're the kind of people that Oklahoma City bombings are made of. The only difference between you and "the muslims" is that at least the Muslims can say they're an invading force, whereas you're just a butcher trying to bring genocide to your own country. Good job.
Posted by: TxMxP at May 21, 2006 12:48 PM (ZNd6p)
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These liberal fags must be all reading the some books. Last suck larry sounds just like fifteen before him.
Posted by: greyrooster at May 22, 2006 06:48 AM (J4a4p)
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Feeble attempt at trying to match my screen-name put-down semantics, greydickroost! You got a ways to go ...
Last suck Larry does not roll off the tongue the same way that greydickroost does. s does not fit in with L of Last and L of Larry. The u is out of cadence also. The c might work potentially and maybe the k. But you are faced with the sandwiching effect of the " ae " sound in Last and the " ah " sound in Larry. You're simply out of your league boy! Go back to your sandbox!
Last suck Larry does not roll off the tongue the same way that greydickroost does. s does not fit in with L of Last and L of Larry. The u is out of cadence also. The c might work potentially and maybe the k. But you are faced with the sandwiching effect of the " ae " sound in Last and the " ah " sound in Larry. You're simply out of your league boy! Go back to your sandbox!
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at May 22, 2006 12:20 PM (FCC6c)
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The Not-So-United-States, eh.
Posted by: Fen at May 23, 2006 08:21 AM (RohNc)
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81 comments let's make it 82.
Posted by: Howie at May 23, 2006 10:19 AM (D3+20)
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at May 23, 2006 04:21 PM (FCC6c)
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Ah! but last suck larry is closer to the truth.
Posted by: greyrooster at May 23, 2006 06:21 PM (BEvWK)
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Goddamn, TxMxP just beat the living shit out of you people, you should ban him from this blog if you wish to continue under your false ideology based in fear.
commie
commie
Posted by: commie at May 26, 2006 01:42 PM (1esPS)
May 13, 2006
Snail Mail A Terrorist.
Zacarias Moussaoui has been moved to the Federal Supermax Prison in Florence Co.
CNN : Moussaoui was removed from the Alexandria, Virginia, detention center on Friday night and flown to Colorado on a service nicknamed "Con Air."A team of deputy U.S. marshals delivered him early Saturday to the federal Supermax prison in Florence, Colorado. The prison is sometimes called the "Alcatraz in the Rockies."
"It is a place of extraordinary security, 23 hours a day in cells, one hour of recreation," CNN senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin said at the time of Moussaoui's sentencing earlier this month in U.S. District Court in Alexandria.
"It is as close to permanent solitary confinement as exists in our prison system," Toobin said.
So the rotting has begun. Let’s all send him a note so he really has to dig to find that letter from mommy. Remember be civil (no threats of any kind) and tell him how glad you are that he will never see the light of day. I got his new address here at the FBOP
ZACARIAS MOUSSAOUI
51427-054Inmate Mail/Parcels
FLORENCE ADMAX USP
PO BOX 8500
FLORENCE, CO 81226
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Can I send him some ham?
Posted by: Leopold Stotch at May 13, 2006 09:50 AM (h8vuR)
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He will have plenty of time to read ... so rather than relieve the monotony I think I'm gonna just save a stamp. That is the best use of 39 cents I can think of ...
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at May 13, 2006 09:50 AM (FCC6c)
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I would suggest sending him all of your unwanted junk mail. I wonder what it would take to get him on the mailing lists of all of these companies that send out mass mailings of the kinds of crap that flood our mailboxes. Hey maybe someone out there could get him a subscription to some gay porn mags, ( bad gay of course ).
Posted by: memphis761 at May 13, 2006 10:06 AM (D3+20)
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Will the ACLU take this to court claiming that its inhumane to lock up a convicted terrorists for 23 hours a day with only a hour for recreation and will Amnesty Inernational take it to the UNs human rights coaltion?
Posted by: sandpiper at May 13, 2006 10:18 AM (0eEOk)
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probably ...
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at May 13, 2006 12:31 PM (FCC6c)
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Send him a side of bacon.
Posted by: Ariya at May 13, 2006 01:44 PM (yHb0A)
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No mail without a return address will be allowed. I look forward to additional comments from his new pen-pals. Who will be the first to receive an autographed letter ? I am guessing that no one here will actually write to him, or if they do it will anonymously.
Posted by: john Ryan at May 13, 2006 04:31 PM (TcoRJ)
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Just be careful what you send to him as all mail for these inmates gets prescreened. Anything with a threat in it has to be investigated by the FBI which would waste man hours, and an overly enthusiastic person could find himself fined. As for the junk mail, be careful there too! Adding someone's name to a mailing list without their permission is a criminal offense too! I do like the idea of flooding him with mail letting him know how you feel though!
Posted by: Caladrierith at May 14, 2006 05:45 AM (i/HHB)
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Send him the Mohammed Cartoons, you know, something he can use to decorate the walls of his tiny cell.
Posted by: The Gentle Cricket at May 14, 2006 11:10 AM (USZUJ)
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Lets send him DVDs or VHS of old PORKY PIG cartoons THATS ALL FOLKS
Posted by: sandpiper at May 14, 2006 01:10 PM (h6CK1)
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Wish I knew some nutcase there who need some canteen money.
Posted by: greyrooster at May 19, 2006 10:26 PM (AWtJU)
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Wish I knew some nutcase there who needed some canteen money.
Posted by: greyrooster at May 19, 2006 10:26 PM (AWtJU)
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this blissful day in my life had given me thids great pleasure to inform you this my email but i hope you are fine doing great.
But friend ,i think it may interest you to recieve my but is nothing alright .but the immaculate aim for this my email to you is that, i want you to be my best snailmail friend with much perfect and regular snailmailing each other inrespectable manner thank you very much i hope to hear from you very soon .this is my snailmail address
ABDUL MAJEED ZAKARIYA
P.O.BO4459
ADUM-KUMASI
GHANA.
BYE TAKE CARE OK
But friend ,i think it may interest you to recieve my but is nothing alright .but the immaculate aim for this my email to you is that, i want you to be my best snailmail friend with much perfect and regular snailmailing each other inrespectable manner thank you very much i hope to hear from you very soon .this is my snailmail address
ABDUL MAJEED ZAKARIYA
P.O.BO4459
ADUM-KUMASI
GHANA.
BYE TAKE CARE OK
Posted by: Majeed at May 27, 2006 11:18 AM (SgaYC)
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