WAPO : Only one juror stood between the death penalty and Zacarias Moussaoui and that juror frustrated his colleagues because he never explained his vote, according to the foreman of the jury that sentenced the al-Qaeda operative to life in prison last week.
The foreman, a Northern Virginia math teacher, said in an interview that the panel voted 11 to 1, 10 to 2 and 10 to 2 in favor of the death penalty on three terrorism charges for which Moussaoui was eligible for execution. A unanimous vote on any one of them would have resulted in a death sentence.
1
I think there was an anti-death penalty activist on that jury.
Posted by: RepJ at May 12, 2006 10:16 AM (Ffvoi)
2
I stand by my prediction on the life sentence post. The one holdout suffers from BDS.
With this revelation, now I am certain. Forget the idea that the person was anti death penalty. There was a moonbat on the jury.
Posted by: Fred Fry at May 12, 2006 10:59 AM (LMc5z)
3
What was the jurors name? I'll bet it was Muhammed or something like that. Figures. How did that jerk get seated on the jury anyway? Shame on the prosecution.
Posted by: n.a. palm at May 12, 2006 10:59 AM (2NfDR)
4
Which is another reason why it's idiotic to try terror cases in civilian courts. A military tribunal would have already has his ass fitted for a pine box lined with pigskin.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at May 12, 2006 01:27 PM (0yYS2)
5
You are required during voir dire (jury selection questioning) to disclose if you have any moral objection to imposing the death sentences. Those that do are automatically rejected. However, some people who do will simply lie so that they can throw a "wrench" in the system and impose their minority view on the others. I don't think their should be a required unanimity for death sentences for this very reason -- it's too easy for a liar to overturn a just sentence. A 9-3 vote should be adequate. I'd even go for a 10-2. But unanimous 12 is just asking for "conscientous" objectors to rig the system.
Posted by: Ansar al-Kufir at May 12, 2006 04:23 PM (y7gpG)
Life Ain’t Easy For Boys Named Sue
Al-Qaeda operative in Australia were able to live out their fantasy of being teenage chicks while texting. Reports that they purchased and wore ladies underwear to throw off the Aussies were unconfirmed.
Reuters : SYDNEY (Reuters) - Nine Muslim men arrested in Australia's biggest security swoop, and charged with planning a terrorist act, pretended to be women texting girlfriends to secretly communicate, a prosecutor told a court on Friday.
"Hi babes, I'm missing you," one message read, while another said: "How you going love, did Sue want to meet me."
During a bail application for one of the men, Khaled Cheikho, 32, in the New South Wales Supreme Court, a prosecutor said the men used "covert phones" under false names and code to communicate, Australian Associated Press reported from the court.
One message between Cheikho and co-accused Mohammed Elomar referred to the purchase of some insulation tape allegedly used to make explosives, said prosecutor Wendy Abraham.
"Hello darling, could you let me know if you still have rolls of the silver tape," a message from Cheikho read.
So "Sue" I hope this experience helps you out when you get locked up with all those sweaty men and you have to play bitch to some big Aussie lifer. But look on the bright side, you already have your new names picked out.
Posted by: memphis761 at May 12, 2006 10:33 AM (D3+20)
2
--- These are innocent children of Allah, they do the work of Allah. You imperialistic infidel, how dare you to stand in their way of Allahs mission in destroying all against him. You puppet of America the devil will drag you back to his oven. You hear, I will personal order devil to get you. You not save. Alluhagabar!!! Alluhagabar!!! Alluhagabar!!! (me dancing in front of big crowd) . Whawoa wahawama ….bonk! ---
Posted by: Dan at May 12, 2006 10:36 AM (Z2OsI)
3
This is great. See what happens when a country lets in moon god worshipping POS? They will do anything for Satan, even turn gay to get the bombing job done.
ROPMA
Posted by: Leatherneck at May 12, 2006 03:10 PM (D2g/j)
Most-Wanted Fugitive Warren Jeffs(Salt Lake City, Utah) The 50-year-old leader of the polygamous Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Warren Steed Jeffs, has been placed on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted Fugitives List.
Jeffs is wanted for allegedly arranging marriages between underage girls and adult men, for criminal charges of sexual conduct with a minor, and for being an accomplice to rape. Convictions of the charges may put Jeffs in prison for life.
Inclusion on the FBI's list, which is disseminated world wide, increases to $100,000 the reward for information leading to Jeffs' arrest.
Jeffs is considered a prophet by about followers in Utah, Arizona, Texas, Colorado, South Dakota, British Columbia, and Quintana Roo (on the Yucatan Peninsula), Mexico. Likely protected by armed bodyguards, Jeffs is considered armed and dangerous.
There is reason to believe that Jeffs may be holed up in a FLDS church compound in Eldorado, Texas. Authorities, however, haven't acquired probable cause to enter and search. Maybe the bumped up reward will loosen a tongue.
Jeffs was profiled on last night's America's Most Wanted television program and, by all indications, is a demented, authoritarian pervert. In my opinion, Jeffs is scum. Many lives have been forever altered by his actions. He needs to be found and apprehended.
Pass the word. Call the FBI if you have information. Collect $100,000.
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at May 07, 2006 06:28 AM (FCC6c)
3
hey kool i just needed some pocket monney for my next holiday 8-)
Posted by: James at May 07, 2006 08:35 AM (B0aVz)
4
Wait...I thought marriage was a civil right? How DARE anyone claim that people who love each other cannot be married! Whatever gender, race, age or number!
BIGOTS!
/satire
Posted by: Darleen at May 07, 2006 04:28 PM (rvX7J)
Yahoo News :WASHINGTON - Rep. Patrick Kennedy said Friday he was entering treatment for addiction to prescription pain drugs after a middle-of-the-night car crash near the Capitol that he said he had no memory of. "That's not how I want to live my life," he declared.
Unfair you say? Seems pretty dog gone fair after the left’s feeding frenzy against Rush last week. Ha! Shoe now on the other foot! I’m sure that somehow a Democrat on pain medication is just not the same though and we should have sympathy for Mr. Kennedy. In fact, Rush is standing up for Kennedy.
Caller To Rush Via Rush: Now, what you just mentioned about Patrick Kennedy, even though he's a Kennedy, and even though, you know, we all know about his family, and you're at odds with the Democrats, you're showing true compassion for the man's well-being, and you shouldn't be admonished for it. You should be commended for it.
Now aren’t you all ashamed of yourselves?
more...
5
I'm not defending the guy, but Ambien mixed with other drugs that cause drowsiness can really do a number on you. You can walk around for hours doing strange things and honestly have no recollection of what occured. I don't think he's lying, but he was irresponsible. If I recall correctly, Ambien is a controlled substance,(class 4?), and a hypnotic, but not a narcotic.
Posted by: REMF at May 05, 2006 10:25 PM (wkT61)
6
I feel bad for anyone who struggles with addiction. And he has trouble with depression too. But I do have a problem with the events of the night. Capitol hill Police cleared the scene and took him home? They simply acted as enablers. I know that "membership has its priviledges" but this is ridiculous.
Considering the volitile atmosphere of politics these days too, I'm not inclined at all to believe that a prominent Republican would have received the same level of compassion that Kennedy has from both sides of the aisle.
Posted by: Oyster at May 06, 2006 05:46 AM (YudAC)
7
Yeah, addiction can be a bitch, especially when it gets in the way of your drinking and whoring and causes problems like this.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at May 06, 2006 06:12 AM (0yYS2)
Syracuse University: Duke Lacrosse Players Not Welcome
Syracuse University Athletic Director Daryl Gross told the Syracuse Post-Standard today that he would not allow any Duke Blue Devils lacrosse players to transfer to the Syracuse lacrosse program.
At least one Duke University lacrosse player has indicated an interest in transferring from the troubled program. But Syracuse University athletic director Daryl Gross said Tuesday he will not sanction the transfer of any former Blue Devil to Syracuse.
"I think it would be inappropriate," Gross said.
SU coach John Desko said he's received written notification from Duke that sophomore attackman Zack Greer is seeking his release from the school. Athletes intent upon transferring from one program to another ask their athletic departments to issue releases to schools the athlete is interested in attending.
1
You know, this would be comical if it were not so serious. I would be willing to bet you that almost every Division I Univerity has had a case of black atheletes either raping white women or allegedly raping white women. I remember several cases myself where this happened, particularly one at the University of Arkansas, where I went to school.
Were the programs suspended? Was every other player on the team punished because of allegations against three people? Hell no, this case just shows you how the double standard is played all over the US. The only case I know where the standard was the same was the Kobe Bryant case.
Posted by: jesusland joe at April 19, 2006 10:24 PM (rUyw4)
2
You're right JJ, and it's all just another reason to start hanging liberals as soon as possible.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 20, 2006 05:09 AM (0yYS2)
Costa Rican Scammer and Spammer BustedWestern KY: An immigrant from Costa Rica was arrested April fourth after attempting to cash a 35,000 dollar forged income tax return check drawn against the US treasury. Paul Lichtenstein was arrested after tellers became suspicious of the forged check. After searching his residence WPSDTV reported that police found other forged documents including forged postal money orders and a computer. Evidence was also found during the search that indicated Mr. Lichtenstein was also involved in Nigerian phishing scams via the internet.
Mr. Lichtenstein fell on hard luck after loosing his second technology job. First he was fired from an Atlanta based DP firm. He is also a strict vegan and bicyclist when he’s not scamming. He says he was once so heavy he could not walk and was in constant pain. He claims becoming vegan cured him. His father migrated to Costa Rica after WWII and he came to the US seeking his fortune.
I expect he will be deported upon conviction as he is not a citizen. Locals also reported that Mr. Lichtenstein is also a bigamist having more than one wife. He never bothered to divorce his wife in Costa Rica before marrying again in Florida. He speaks fluent English, Spanish and French. I wonder if he is who he claims to be. If you recognize him as someone else please email me.
Posted by: Greg at April 19, 2006 07:10 PM (q5wwn)
4
Greg you moron don't you realize that nobody bothers with your idiotic links except for a laugh? Don't you realize that you're just a joke? You obviously don't have a life; why not try suicide?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 19, 2006 09:11 PM (0yYS2)
5
I thought I recognized him... But I think the other guy died with his Heaven's Gate worshipers...
Posted by: Son Of The Godfather at April 20, 2006 03:39 AM (maXzk)
6
But he just wanted to come here for work. Right?
Posted by: Oyster at April 20, 2006 06:09 AM (YudAC)
1
The transcript reveals that an unnamed flight attendant begged for her life. And that passengers fought to break into the cockpit as the terrorists plunged flight 93 into the ground.
2
The transcript also revealed that Allah is NOT great NOR merciful. I hope these hijackers rot in hell.
Posted by: Jester at April 12, 2006 08:20 PM (TuAMG)
3
Why did they bother capitilizing everything these whack jobs said about Allah the Merciful, Greatest, Etc, - like they're fucking scriptures?!?!?!?!?
Who did this transcript?
Posted by: Heli Pilot at April 14, 2006 07:05 AM (JFKn0)
4
Sadly the un named flight attendant you referred to would be Deborah Welsh the lead flight attendant on flight 93.
Posted by: robert at May 07, 2006 07:31 PM (66hp9)
Guliani Testifies in Moussaoui Trial.
Upon being told what was happening at the WTC Rudy hoped against hope that his men were wrong. They weren’t.
AP Via Yahoo : He said the image of two people jumping together, appearing to hold hands, sticks with him every day. Moussaoui affected a look of boredom when the prosecution played video of victims falling to their deaths.
Giuliani took the stand after prosecutor Rob Spencer braced jurors for the painful testimony they were going to hear over the next few weeks. His presentation opened the final phase of the drawn-out trial that will determine whether Moussaoui is executed or sent to prison for life.
Giuliani said that when he arrived at the scene, his deputy told him how bad the situation was and people were jumping from the high floors of the towers. "I concluded or hoped he was wrong," he said.
But then he saw people falling and "I froze. I realized in that couple of seconds, it switched my thinking and emotions. I said, 'We're in uncharted territory.'"
Terrorist bastard smiles at the plight of WTC victims.
Spencer argued that the voices of the victims of the attacks and their anguished families should be all the jury needs to hear to decide whether Moussaoui, an acknowledged al-Qaida terrorist, should die for his crimes.
Spencer described one call from a woman on the 83rd floor of the second tower to fall. "The floor is completely engulfed," she said. "We're on the floor and we can't breathe.... I don't see any more air...I'm going to die, aren't I?"
"You cannot understand the magnitude of that day unless you hear it from the victims themselves," Spencer said. Moussaoui smiled several times when the prosecution mentioned his enthusiasm for the attacks.
My preferred death sentence would be for this fool to be sent to the Jolly Red Pig and force fed Barbecue until his arteries clogged. Sounds yummy to me! The last thing we need is for this man to become a martyr, no matter how much he deserves death, it's his wish. Give him the opposite. How about an all expense paid eternal trip to Gitmo? I'm open to suggestions anyone?
1
Have you ever heard of the death of a thousand cuts? Sounds just perfect for this animal (animal? calling this guy an animal is an insult to perfectly good animals).
But let's remember he will face God's judgement someday, and that judgement will be more ferocious than anything we could ever imagine.....
Posted by: n.a. palm at April 06, 2006 11:40 AM (zJMOb)
2
>>> The last thing we need is for this man to become a martyr.....
I disagree, Howie - execute him now and just get it over with. It doesn't matter if he's considered a martyr. Nowadays in the Islamic world, EVERYONE, so long as they died, be it fighting the enemy or killed by their own is considered a martyr. The US held back on offing Moqtada Al Sadr for the same reason every time his militia has acted up. It hasn't done any good. Moussoui should have died a long time ago.
Posted by: Graeme at April 06, 2006 01:24 PM (CFQ2m)
3
I agree with Graeme... just put the sorry bastard to sleep and let's get on with the problem at hand...
Posted by: TexasEricB at April 06, 2006 02:18 PM (b96R4)
4
Nothing we do as a nation will ever bring justice to a scum bag like this mood god worshipper. Stop wasting my tax money, and but this sorry excuse for a human to sleep.
Almost every day Islam brings us crap like this. Close their schools now. Deport any Muslims who speaks against this country. We must start being careful. Someone please tell the State Department Islam is at war with the world.
Posted by: Leatherneck at April 06, 2006 02:29 PM (D2g/j)
5
I worry that this evil bastard is enjoying all the attention, as most mass killers usually do. A quick anonymous death would be best. He is only one of millions who would wipe out westerners if given the chance.
Posted by: Jester at April 06, 2006 02:49 PM (TuAMG)
6
His death will make him a martyr, but he will be forgotten in a few days because so many of his fellow scumbag Al-Qaieda are not far behind on their trip to hell. This guy is a blip on the radar in the war on terror. Who cares if it makes him a martyr...let him have his wish because I will bet the farm when they strap that piece of shit into Ol' Sparky he cries like a little bitch. Besides, his fellow inmates will have a field day with him in the 10 years it actually takes to get rid of him.
Posted by: Jack's Smirking Revenge at April 06, 2006 05:10 PM (CtVG6)
8
Perhaps we can just drop him off, naked, in some remote corner of the world amidst a cannibal tribe. A nice, quiet needle in the arm is too good for this guy.
Posted by: Oyster at April 07, 2006 05:49 AM (YudAC)
9
Jack: But Death Row is Protective Custody, prisoners are in single cells separate from each other.
Posted by: Howie at April 07, 2006 07:45 AM (D3+20)
10
"Mr. Moussaoui? Please meet your new cellmate Bubba Joe. He might be big, he might be stupid, but he thinks 'yer real purty'."
Posted by: CUS at April 07, 2006 07:55 AM (bbXZq)
11
Actually, "protective custody" ain't too bad
for us Western infidels. It guarantees that a
fanatic jihad zealot will not be able to die
as a martyr at the hand of the enemy. This
way, he'll die at the hand of a very unhappy
Allah - who will let his lifeline destroy
itself in shame and indignity, as his body
functions take their normally time-assigned
course. Nuff said?
Posted by: Don Nehring at May 03, 2006 09:40 PM (6QjjO)
A circuit judge accepted 21-year-old Daniel Rodriguez Mendoza's plea deal Monday morning against the wishes of the dead woman's family, who wanted him to serve as much as life in prison.
Mendoza, an illegal immigrant from Mexico, pleaded guilty to two felonies -- driving without a license and leaving the scene of an accident that resulted in a death -- and will essentially end his six-month stint at the Palm Beach County jail and stockade for the Sept. 25 accident that killed Kimberly Jo Dahmer, 42.
On four previous occasions, international trespasser Mendoza was cited for driving without a license. This time, someone died. As a result, he gets six months and deportation. The jail term is a gift and the deportation is a nothing. Even at his young age, Mendoza probably has more visits to the border than your typical Taco Bell customer.
I see it happening more and more often. Illegal aliens are either not prosecuted for crimes or they are treated leniently. Maybe it's because the number of illegal aliens in the U.S. just grows and grows. Nonetheless, it makes no sense for the justice system to view illegals differently from actual American citizens. Pretty soon, actual Americans would be well advised to just say "No speakie English" on all traffic stops. It's a free pass.
Posted by: Leatherneck at April 05, 2006 03:16 PM (p74Yq)
2
I just do not get the logic. Repeat offender finally kills an innocent victim -- and he gets time served? Let's take the immigration status out of the equation. That is just wrong.
But to deport him so he can come back is attrocious!
3
As a conservative immigration attorney I need to weigh in on this. In this particular case the alien is guilty of what's called an "aggravated felony" under immigration law. After he is deported ("removed" is the technical term post 1996), he can NEVER come back to the USA legally. If he returns and is caught, he faces up to 20 years in federal prison.
And the Feds DO prosecute these matters. I had one case where we were asked to defend a guy from Honduras who returned to see his newborn child. Only problem was he had a conviction for having sex with another, underage female, and had previously been removed for it. When he was caught, he wound up getting sentenced by a federal judge to three years.
The Feds especially don't like violent criminals coming back in violation of prior removal orders.
Posted by: Redhand at April 05, 2006 06:15 PM (9HAsW)
4
Wow, three years in the slammer is REAL punishment for statutory rape. I think 30 years would have been more like it, and hard labor at that. Perhaps these illegals would decide the US was not such a gravy train after all.
Wasn't there a recent case in Denver where an illegal alien murdered a police officer? And other cases in California where illegals are committing felonies that either go unpunished or they get favorable treatment.
Posted by: jesusland joe at April 05, 2006 06:45 PM (rUyw4)
5
Did anyone else read the original article from Miami.com ? The woman was riding on the back of her husband's motorcycle. Her husband was intoxicated and hit a stopped vehicle. There was a lot of blame here for all. I ride here in New York City, I would never ride intoxicated, it is just too dangerous
Posted by: john Ryan at April 05, 2006 07:39 PM (TcoRJ)
6
Ignor that first post, I am not sure if that was me. I had to run do an illegal alien ultrasound exam. They use our ER as a clinic.
Please keep working men, we will need your tax money to pay for that exam, child care, school etc...
Posted by: Leatherneck at April 05, 2006 08:06 PM (D2g/j)
7
Until the judiciary starts to impose heavy penalties on these illegals, they will keep coming and breaking the law.
Posted by: MathewK at April 05, 2006 08:15 PM (pVHqF)
8
Why don't you turn them in to BICE, Leatherneck?
Posted by: jesusland joe at April 05, 2006 08:22 PM (rUyw4)
9Wow, three years in the slammer is REAL punishment for statutory rape.
You misunderstand. He did whatever time he had for the statutory rape, then was deported. His crime was crossing the border back into the USA with a prior statutory rape conviction, and for that he got three years.
I'm not saying this to elicit sympathy for the guy, just to tell you what happened.
Posted by: Redhand at April 05, 2006 10:06 PM (9HAsW)
10
Joe -- probably because he faces termination if he does -- just like I do if i ever drop a dime on any of my students (or their parents) who are here illegally.
I'll be honest -- food, shelter, and medical care for my chronically-ill wife trumps principle.
13
Hey guys your immigration laws are working pretty good eh?
Hey guess what, if this guy got US citizenship he would be in jail right now and for a long time. Oh well though, right?
Posted by: MiB at April 06, 2006 09:42 AM (2hPsb)
14
the current immmigration situation is americas self inflicted cancer that will never be cured and will only get worse.
Posted by: rob at April 06, 2006 10:42 AM (QpkBe)
15
This creation of a two tiered legal system is (among) the issues worth rising up and shuting down the system over.
I sit in court repeatedly and see illegals (non English speakers) given interpreters, heard first ahead of citizens and receiving half or less fines than citizens and less time or no time served compared to us sucker tax payors.
THEY SHOULD BE DEPORTED STRAIGHT OUT OF THE COURTHOUSES and any other gathering areas where they can be found.
In this two tier system being shoved down our throats the people with the real drivers licenses and the permanent addresses are the ones being screwed the most.
ARE YOU WILLING TO LEAVE THIS FOR YOUR CHILDREN???
Those of us that are "law abiding citizens" have become patsys to pay for the destruction of the system - we're suckers! We are funding the beaureaucraps to F**k us and we are to stupid, lazy or fearful to say anything about it.
Illegals are planning to shut down the country on May day, I ask all true Americans, all lovers of the constitution to realize that the country is being lost NOW - this year. We may not have long to take it back.
We have (almost) no representation - No matter your party your alleged representatives represent themselves and some apparent goal to dilute the value of your US citizenship and tax you and regulate you into serfdom.
Cameras everywhere - large fines - mandatory sentences - tax increases to fund the insatiable apatite of government, but this surveilence and the loss of freedoms only applies to citizens - illegal aliens - felons by definition, get a pass.
We need a wall, we need troops on the border, we need undocumented aliens deported upon discovery, we need a heavy fine for employers hiring illegals with a bounty paid for turning them in and we need to end completely moslem imigration to name some simple common sense URGENT starting points.
I'm watching for suggestions for depriving the parties, the "representatives", the governments of money and cooperation in a meaningful way.
Are we so apathetic that we will leave a third world service economy and a shredded constitution to our children?
I spit on the "representatives". Their agenda is not in the interest of my children. We need to stand up like the Founders intended before it's to late and turn this ship around!!!!!
I'm listening
Fight islam now
Posted by: Fight islam Now at April 06, 2006 11:09 AM (fNRkT)
16
WorldSex Daily Updated Free Links to Hardcore Sex Pictures, Movies, Free Porn Videos and XXX Live Sex Cams
Posted by: SEXMENS at April 06, 2006 09:24 PM (fBj7B)
17
It's clear what's going to happen; the government is going to let things get out of control, and even contribute to the mess, until the people have had enough, and then they may pretend to act on it, but by then it will be too late. It's already too late. Pretty soon the only way to deal with this invasion will be to start killing them wherever they are found.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 08, 2006 06:23 AM (0yYS2)
18
And in the EUROWEENIE UNION especialy in FRANCE where they threw our RAPE charges against a man becuase the victim wore BLUEJEANS to the trial frankly the judge and rapist should be beheaded and in england burglars have the right to break into your home and steal anything and you cant stop them becuase the british parlament are all stupid
Posted by: sandpiper at April 08, 2006 07:40 AM (bzZNq)
WAYNESBURG - A Canton man has been charged with the rape and murder of a 7-month-old infant he was baby-sitting.
Police said Henry A. Sunderman, 32, of 3117 Tuscarawas St. W, Apt. A-3, in Canton, raped and killed his niece, Zoey Sunderman, on Friday. Sunderman was baby-sitting the girl, her two sisters and a brother.
Zoey was the youngest.
She was pronounced dead at Akron Children’s Hospital at 2:02 p.m. Friday. The Summit County medical examiner was doing an autopsy Saturday; it said the case was under investigation and did not release a cause of death. But Stark County Jail records said Sunderman admitted he had penetrated the baby’s anus with his finger, “causing severe tearing and trauma, resulting in the death of the victim.â€
I will never, ever renounce my support for the death penalty.
I watched an MSNBC Investigates show tonight on the Wabash, IL level 4 prison. The place had more amenities than the nursing home my mother is in.
F**k life in prison without parole for animals like this.
1
Ironically, it was a case wherein the serial killer did not receive the death penalty that made me realize the importance of the death penalty. If ever any psychopath deserved death, Gary Ridgeway (aka. the Green River Killer) did. The death penalty was used as a bargaining chip to help recover the many, previously undiscovered remains of his victims. By helping locate his victims' remains, Ridgeway helped solve many cold cases. I hope the death penalty will be used as it was in the Ridgeway case, as a bargaining chip.
Posted by: SheriJo at March 19, 2006 02:08 AM (nmc43)
2
If we went back to medieval methods of punishment I think there would be far less crime. Getting a prison sentence is like getting a vacation where you can eat good and sit around and play cards. Let's make thieves walk around for 6 months harnessed together and for sick sex offenders cut off offending parts and I'll bet you'd see a reduction in these sorts of crimes. Prison is too good for these people. There is no fear of punishment like society had in the good old days before everybody got all sensitive and human rights conscious and all. Human rights is swell, but a scum-bag sack of shit like this doesn't deserve human rights!
Posted by: Justus at March 19, 2006 02:28 AM (Y2ILH)
3
It has been used as a bargaining chip, much to our detriment.
In the Green River case, Ted Bundy used his death sentence as a bargaining chip.
In order to delay his sentence, he offered to help find the Green River Killer (a basis for the character Hannibal Lecter, btw)and was interviewed several times by law enforcement.
It extended his life, but didn't help find Gary Ridgeway.
As a matter of fact, Bundy's life was also extended because other LEF agencies thought he could clear their books of unsolved murders. The time it took to interview him ate up years and years.
But, that's neither here nor there. This is the rape and murder of a 7 month old baby we're talking about.
There are no bargaining chips in this case. This guy doesn't seem to have a history of anally raping anonymous infants over several years and dumping them in out of the way places.
Fry the fucker.
Posted by: Vinnie at March 19, 2006 02:30 AM (f289O)
4
Vinnie, are we arguing? Let me be clear -- Fry the fucker and monitor his inbred offspring.
Posted by: SheriJo at March 19, 2006 03:11 AM (nmc43)
5
But can't it all be made better if he just writes a children's book?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 19, 2006 07:03 AM (0yYS2)
6
I fully support the death penalty, unfortunately it's just not a deterrent to crime. The reason is simple: gone are the days of swift justice. Nowadays being sentenced to death is the equivalent of life in prison because extended appeals and lobbying by death penalty opponents. Once the punishment is declared, it should be carried out at sunrise the next day. Also, the elaborate methods which require lengthy preparations (most notably the gas chamber) should be done away with. Hanging or firing squad is all that is needed. One of the main arguments against the death penalty is the possibility of innocent people being executed. That's a valid argument. In that case, lobby to fix the problems with the investigative and trial stages of the case. The judicial system cannot work if the state is afraid to punish people because it keeps having to factor in incompetence.
Posted by: Graeme at March 19, 2006 07:27 AM (fiEFN)
7
People who say that murders fear a life sentence more than the death penalty never consider why these animals always appeal the sentences. If life without parole is so awful, why don't they try to get the death penalty?
Posted by: SIg94 at March 19, 2006 08:16 AM (BnMdL)
8
Right on as usual Vinnie. I'm sitting here thinking and I can't for the life of me think of a punishment that would be too cruel or too unusual for the sub-humans who do this sh*t.
Posted by: Richard at March 19, 2006 09:03 AM (7KF8r)
9
Some argue in favor of life without parole -- but that does not eliminate teh possibility of future killings -- after all, what are you going to do, keep him in prison for twice the length of his life?
I personnaly am a supporter of "death without possibility of parole" -- especially in child abuse cases
Posted by: Vinnie at March 19, 2006 10:50 AM (f289O)
11
What kind of sick bastard would rape a baby? A freaking baby? He deserves death but then again he won't survive in prison with life without parole. The only problem with the death penalty is it takes 30 years to be executed. If the appeal length was shortened I would support. This monster is enough support for death row.
Posted by: Derek Falkan at March 19, 2006 01:14 PM (CnDtU)
12
Really, if you let this kind of stuff ruin your day, you should know that things of this disgusting caliber happen every day - and getting pissed only because its brought to your attention is...shallow.
But yes, hang him by the neck until he's dead, dead, dead.
Posted by: MiB at March 19, 2006 01:38 PM (XRlh2)
13
I don't get it, MiB. Getting pissed "only because it's brought to your attention"? What the heck does that mean?
Posted by: Oyster at March 19, 2006 01:53 PM (YudAC)
14
He'll get whats coming to him in prison. No worries. He'll never make it to a parole hearing, if that is a condition of his sentence.
Posted by: Jack's Smirking Revenge at March 19, 2006 07:08 PM (CtVG6)
15
I'm not sure about the United States, but in the U.K child molesters are placed in their own section for protection, there is however a flaw in that protection, their food and drinks are produced by general population inmates, and they get to do some rather inventive stuff with their food.
Posted by: davec at March 19, 2006 10:58 PM (CcXvt)
Posted by: Oyster at March 20, 2006 05:50 AM (YudAC)
17
Either way that guy is dead. Child molestors are the lowest in prison and are targeted.
He will get dahmerized.
Posted by: Marcus Aurelius at March 20, 2006 12:01 PM (ffPYG)
18
That is so true that child molestors have no where to run, nowhere to hide in prison. There is a standard in prison. You are okay in there being a thief, or even murderer, but child molestors don't stand a chance! Talk about honor among thieves. Guess it shows there is a bit of good in everyone, except for child molestors!
Posted by: Hailus at March 20, 2006 01:14 PM (Y2ILH)
19
the only way this dude will survive prison, with a big if, is if he becomes the sweetie of the cellblock.. tattoo's of breasts on his back, the whole 9 inch.. uh, yards..
Posted by: The Other Dave at March 20, 2006 05:20 PM (o03mE)
20
I have a hard time understanding what bi polar means.
does that mean the brain only sees black and white with no grey matter?
Not being silly, just interested.
how can a sickness get a person out of facing jailtime for child abuse?
Posted by: Charles at March 21, 2006 05:34 PM (ixs7f)
Sirhan Sirhan Denied Parole for 13th Time
(San Francisco, California) Palestinian immigrant, Sirhan Sirhan, was sentenced to death for fatally shooting Senator Robert Kennedy in the kitchen of the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles in 1968. The sentence was later commuted to life in prison with the possibility of parole. Yesterday, Sirhan Sirhan saw parole denied for the 13th time.
Sirhan, who turns 62 on Sunday, has been seeking to win his freedom since 1972.
Had the Board of Parole recommended parole, the matter would have gone to California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger for final review. Kennedy was the uncle of Schwarzenegger's wife, Maria Shriver.
"The panel found that he continues to pose an unacceptable risk to public safety and felt that he was not suitable for parole," Tip Kindel, a spokesman for the Board of Prison Terms, said of Sirhan.
So, Sirhan will continue to enjoy cellblock life alongside Charles Manson at Corcoran State Prison. Maybe the two are really, really close, if you catch my drift. Nevertheless, it would have been a waste of effort to send Sirhan's papers to Schwarzenegger.
1
Hell, they should give him a medal for shooting a Kenndey.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 16, 2006 05:10 AM (0yYS2)
2
Sirhan - sheesh. I remember that dreadful day when Robert Kennedy was shot and simply agree with Improbulus Maximus' statement; but: Shhhhh. No medals - it was a covert op.
3
Sirhan Sirhan always said he was innocent / couldn't remember committing the crime. Where're Alfre Woodward, Snoop Dog, Tim Robbins, etc when they're needed?
Posted by: Graeme at March 16, 2006 08:39 AM (ZPph3)
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 16, 2006 08:57 AM (8e/V4)
5
He is just like the infamous CHARLES MANSON who come up for parole every so many years but the only time these crinimals will ever get out of prison is in a long wooden box and then to the morgue then the cematary
Posted by: sandpiper at March 16, 2006 09:35 AM (wksIu)
6
For years Sirhan, a Palestinian Arab Christian for those of you keeping score, proudly admitted he murdered Bobby Kennedy. Many times he's been quoted at length bragging about his crime. But he has recently said he was completely innocent and the victim of CIA brainwashing. My take? He doesn't want to die in prison and will say anything to get out. By the way, he acted alone.
Posted by: Weenis Goliath at March 16, 2006 03:23 PM (s85rD)
7
Robert Kennedy didn't deserve to die. The day Sirhan Bashira Sirhan is paroled is the day Hell freezes over.
Posted by: Max Power at March 16, 2006 05:03 PM (CnDtU)
I mean, if they really were out to just recognize good driving habits, why not get the info from the license plate and mail the prize to them?
I'm a pro-law enforcement guy, but pulling over law abiding citizens obeying the rules is 90 different types of wrong.
What's next, giving you concert tickets after they search your house and make sure your guns are properly unloaded and locked up, or a trip to Orlando because they didn't find a meth lab? A case of condoms when they don't find any evidence you're running a whorehouse?
Sorry, this is more a fishing expedition than a reward-the-citizens type of deal. I'm sure a great deal of us have been pulled over at one time or another. It's not a happy occasion, even for something as minor as a burnt out headlight.
Meanwhile, as the police are patting you on the back, assuming you're not slumped over the wheel with a heart attack, Abdul goes cruising by in an eighteen wheeler packed with the wrath of Allah.
2"Meanwhile, as the police are patting you on the back, assuming you're not slumped over the wheel with a heart attack, Abdul goes cruising by in an eighteen wheeler packed with the wrath of Allah."
You owe me a new keyboard!
Absolutely agree, there is no good reason to stop law abiding citizens -- it's an abuse of Police Authority.
Posted by: davec at March 10, 2006 12:33 AM (CcXvt)
3
I would get a laugh. Its weird, maybe stupid, but their intent would be known immediately and give me a pleasant rush... I wouldn't be interested in the games tho. I think you need to lighten up on this Vinnie.
Posted by: Javapuke at March 10, 2006 04:26 AM (lxHRs)
4
I would be instantly suspicious. And none too happy for the scare.
I got pulled over once years ago. Hadn't done a thing. Was even using my cruise control to make sure I wasn't speeding. A single woman in a car coming home after work. Know what the cop told me after running my license and keeping me sitting there for 20 minutes? "You looked suspicious." That was it.
Posted by: Oyster at March 10, 2006 05:53 AM (YudAC)
5
This is just a new, clever disguise for the ugly face of fascim which has been leering at us for quite a while now. Make no mistake people; the government is not on our side, the police are not on our side, and the courts are not on our side, because all three have a vested interest in expanding and consolidating power for the benefit of those who weild the power. Out government and its various facets are no less an enemy to We the People than al Qaeda.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 10, 2006 07:49 AM (0yYS2)
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 10, 2006 08:42 AM (0yYS2)
7
How much do you want to bet that a disproportionate number of these incentives are doled out to cute girls the officers want to strike up conversations with? It's ridiculous. Giving us prizes when we obey the law is not the job of law enforcement and, sorry, but only idiots believe it will have any effect on safety or crime.
Posted by: Michael at March 10, 2006 09:10 AM (SvZvR)
8
Speaking of the "cute girl" analogy - I relayed a story of the same abuse of priviledge (although this instance was somewhat benign) of police in my own blog this morning. This post just reminded me of it.
Posted by: Oyster at March 10, 2006 09:28 AM (rf0W8)
Posted by: Howie at March 10, 2006 09:32 AM (D3+20)
10
This is the stupidest promotion I have ever heard of. Is there absolutely no traffic in Travis? It will take at least 15 minutes to pull the driver over and give the "reward" which is in fact a co-promotion and not a "reward" at all. Can you imagine showing up late to work because you were driving courteously? The ad exec. who dreamed this up must be laughing - or maybe he's the subversive type, from New York perhaps, and he dislikes Texans, and the police, and wants to cause a little trouble...
Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at March 10, 2006 09:41 AM (aH6Zf)
Germans Release Convicted 9/11 TerroristIn a move that likely supports the contention that Europeans do not take terrorism seriously, a convicted 9/11 terrorist has been released from custody while his case is being appealed.
Mounir el Motassadeq was sentenced to seven years in prison last August by a court in Hamburg.
City judicial spokesman Carsten Grote on Tuesday said Germany's Federal Constitutional Court has now ordered him released. Grote did not give a reason for the higher court's decision.
It was not clear when el Motassadeq, 31, would be released.
In 2003, the Moroccan became the first person anywhere to be convicted with the 9/11 hijackings when he was found guilty of membership of a terrorist organisation.
No reason was given for the court's decision to apparently not consider him a flight risk. I'm astonished! If ever there was a candidate for being a flight risk, it seems a convicted terrorist should qualify. The German court obviously disagreed.
Posted by: jonny at February 07, 2006 11:31 PM (nytWC)
3
Germany arrested several in Homburg associated directly with one stage or another of 9/11 several years ago. They refused to extradite under the pre-tense that they may be subject to the death penalty under our laws. They decided they could better deal with justice issues than we - in a case involving 3000 dead Americans in NYC, DC, and PA - and had the right.
Its my understanding they made it difficult for US agencies to interrogate and investigate the suspects in Germany. You can all ask yourselves why.
Why no big public complaints from Bush Admin - pure politics and diplomatic need. We needed the Euro assistance for the war on Terror - and the Euro's early on began looking for reasons to cop out.
And all you guys are looking (almost begging) for reasons to show support for these Euros - all because of a few cartoons in a few newspapers.
Germany is looking for a way to make these guys go away - n' probably talking with other Euros for transit assistance.
And some of you wonder why I have been saying what I have reference all this cartoon crap.
Posted by: hondo at February 07, 2006 11:52 PM (3aakz)
Posted by: fred fry at February 08, 2006 01:28 AM (CC1DD)
5
Agree with everything you said, hondo, but would still like to support those who regained their senses in Europe, and they are not nessasarily in charge. But my overall attitude is wait and see.
Posted by: jesusland joe at February 08, 2006 05:15 AM (rUyw4)
I suspect that we will be getting to that part of the playbook soon. I have had the same thoughts. So I bet there are others with the same thoughts and the means to do so.
Posted by: fred fry at February 08, 2006 06:31 AM (CC1DD)
8
This is becoming a habit for the Germans. And, Carlos, we are in support of the free press in Europe, not the governments who release these dangerous people.
Posted by: Oyster at February 08, 2006 06:34 AM (YudAC)
9
I'll bet that Dave has hit the nail on the head.
I hope that Filthy is right. Not that I think the US should engage in assassination or anything like that (rolls eyes), but if the SOB just happened to step in front of a speeding bus, fall into a brush chipper, or ram his car into a Hellfire missile, I wouldn't shed any tears.
Posted by: docjim505 at February 08, 2006 09:56 AM (MC8cP)
Terrorists Seek Cases Tossed Due to NSA Spying
You had to know this was coming. The lawyer for Iyman Faris, convicted of plotting to blow up the Brooklyn Bridge, asked a federal judge today to throw out the case because the National Security Agency illegally spied on him.
Iyman Faris' challenge is among the first to seek evidence of warrantless electronic eavesdropping by the National Security Agency, a practice that began after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. Government officials have reportedly credited the practice with uncovering Faris' terrorist plot and several others.
A motion filed by Faris' attorney David Smith in U.S. District Court in Alexandria, Va., argues that investigators improperly obtained evidence against Faris and that his trial lawyer was ineffective.
Given the likelihood that Faris' phone conversations or e-mails had been electronically monitored, Faris' trial lawyer, Frederick Sinclair, should have asked for evidence of such surveillance, Smith said in the motion.
Interestingly, Faris, 36, pleaded guilty to conspiracy and aiding and abetting terrorism. He was sentenced to 20 years in prison. Subsequently, he tried to take back his guilty plea, saying everything is his agreement was false.
And, there are others looking to get their terror-related convictions overturned.
A lawyer for Ali al-Timimi, an Islamic scholar in northern Virginia serving a life sentence for exhorting followers to fight U.S. troops, has said he plans to challenge his case based on NSA involvement. So has an attorney for Adham Amin Hassoun, a Lebanese-born Palestinian living in Florida who is charged with being part of a cell dedicated to supporting violent Muslim extremists.
Obviously, the issue of the NSA eavesdropping will have to be decided in the courts. I hope that the judges ruling on the issue keep in mind that it involves protecting the United States from foreign attack. It would be imprudent to allow Faris and his terrorist buddies to get off.
1
Have you checked out his mugshot in the wiki entry about him? This guy is really messed up.
Posted by: Oyster at February 04, 2006 06:33 AM (YudAC)
2
Now these are the kind of cases I want to see in a court! They are slamdunk winners in the court of public opinion - and this is a great way to get them out there.
Posted by: hondo at February 04, 2006 11:04 AM (3aakz)
Kidnap Plot on Tony Blair's Son Foiled
(London) Scotland Yard sources have confirmed that police have foiled a plot to kidnap Prime Minister Tony Blair's five-year-old son, Leo.
Detectives have investigated a plot to kidnap Tony Blair's son, Leo, after it emerged that extremists linked to the fathers' rights group Fathers4Justice were allegedly intending to snatch the Blairs' youngest child as a form of direct action.
Downing Street last night refused to comment on a report in the Sun newspaper that the police had foiled the attempt in which Leo would have been held hostage to highlight the plight of fathers denied access to their children.
Authorities believe the plot was to hold the boy only for a short period of time and then let him go unharmed. Anti-terrorist police took immediate action to investigate rumors of the plot, visiting members of Fathers4Justice and warning them that someone would likely be shot on sight if the plan was acted on.
Matt O'Conner, founder of Fathers4Justice, condemned the plot unreservedly, stating, "We're in the business of uniting dads with their kids not separating them." Even so, some extreme members or former members have been implicated in the kidnap plot prompting O'Conner to shut down Fathers4Jusctice.
F4J leader Matt O'Connor announced last night that he was suspending the operations of the group pending enquiries into allegations contained on the cover of this mornings Sun Newspaper that 'extremist sympathisers' associated with the group had planned to kidnap the Prime Minister's Son, Leo Blair.
F4J say they condemn any such action unreservedly and that the group is increasingly having it's name 'hijacked' by a growing number of militant extremists and that it would seriously consider the long term viability of the campaign.
O'Conner also called for the police to immediately release the names of the likely suspects and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. I give O'Conner credit for taking immediate action to condemn the plot and to distance himself from the perpetrators. However, criminal plots don't materialize from thin air in activist organizations without word getting around, so one has to wonder just how extreme the Fathers4Justice membership is at its core.
Teacher Arrested for Junk
No, this is not a report about the curricula. It's a story out of Westford, Massachusetts, about a teacher getting pinched for heroin. Although unwelcome, it is a change from the ubiquitous stories of teachers having sex with students.
A 30-year-old sixth-grade English teacher at Stony Brook Middle School, Jessica Palkes (pic), was arrested last Friday and charged with possession of heroin and hypodermic needles after a traffic stop. According to Westford Police Lt. Victor Neal, Palkes admitted that she was a heroin user. Her arraignment was Tuesday in Ayer District Court. Palkes pleaded not guilty to all charges.
The Superintendent of Schools, Stephen Foster, has notified the parents of current and former Stony Brook students of Palkes' arrest. It's notable that in 2004, Westford Academy teacher Rosemarie Pumo was convicted of distributing heroin to students and sentenced to prison.
Two teachers from different schools in the same small town being involved with heroin would appear to indicate a generic drug problem far removed from the crime-ridden center of the big city. An inquiring mind would have to wonder just how extensive the rural Massachusetts drug problem is.
1
Not sure I would call Westford "rural". It is in somewhat close proximity to Lowell, which is not a particularly affluent community. Granted, it is not a city, but it is close enough.
Posted by: Bill at January 12, 2006 07:49 AM (1gB1o)
2
That's my home town. population 20,000. Average household income is probalby in the six figures. Although I didn't come from wealth, most houses in town would be considered mansions. Drugs are everywhere.
Posted by: N at January 12, 2006 07:52 AM (OqZ3M)
3
Westford was definately rural 20 years ago. Apple orchards everywhere. Those have mostly gone for culdesac cookie cutter mansions.
Posted by: N at January 12, 2006 07:55 AM (OqZ3M)
4
Our teachers always used to get on us for "horsing around". Quid pro quo magister, quid pro quo.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 12, 2006 08:44 AM (0yYS2)
5
heroin is hard drug of choice in New England. The meth plague from the south and west has not yet arrived.
Posted by: john Ryan at January 12, 2006 10:33 AM (TcoRJ)
6
People that make or sell meth should just be executed on the spot.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 12, 2006 07:26 PM (0yYS2)
7
Westford is my home town as well. I have called it home for 32 years, gone through the school system and wouldn't want to live anywhere else. What happened is tragic, but not a reflection of the community. It can happen anywhere. I simply wonder why teachers nationwide are not drug tested. We test our athletes, why not the caregivers of our children? I have been tested just to get an office job! Just tragic.
Posted by: Tracy at January 19, 2006 08:48 AM (mPCAg)
[A] two-year U.S. Justice Department probe of underage prostitution revealed a nationwide problem of such magnitude that it took many police and social-service agencies by surprise.
"Innocence Lost," the cooperative investigation by federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies so far has saved 200 minors from the sex trade and led to more than 500 arrests.
The federal probe also revealed a "loose confederacy" of Toledo men who, according to investigators, have recruited local girls as young as 12 years old - shuttling them across the country and forcing them into the sex trade.
The perpetrators are alleged to have lured young girls in troubled circumstances into running away with promises of glamour and travel. Once taken, the girls are forced into prostitution at locations throughout the U.S.
It would be nice to know how long the "loose confederacy" has been operating and how many of the girls disappeared, never to be heard from again. And, in my opinion, the dismal circumstances of some foster care programs are at least partially responsible for the teen girls being easily lured away.
1
For the scum that did these things, I can only say:
Rope. Tree. Skittish horse. Some assembly required.
In all seriousness, why isn't this sort of crime a capital offense? Have we become so mushy as a society that it would never occur to anybody to execute the monsters who so blatantly and systematically abuse children?
Posted by: docjim505 at January 10, 2006 06:03 AM (MC8cP)
Posted by: Rusty at January 10, 2006 08:14 AM (JQjhA)
3
Rusty, you can make brothels legal but it won't stop the sex trade. Many of these girls are addicted to drugs, scared for their lives, or mentally ill. These scum that prey on children should be shot. Sorry, that's how I feel.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 10, 2006 10:33 AM (rUyw4)
4
Considering what I see of the average teenage girl nowadays, there are few that have to be forced into any sort of sexual act, and many see nothing wrong with stripping or whoring their way through college or the rest of their lives for that matter.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 10, 2006 11:58 AM (0yYS2)
5
The Slave Trade is not surprising.
What is surprising is that websites
such as www.theeroticereview.com and
www.bigdoggie.net actually place
"reviews" of the sexual services of
Sex Slaves and children forced into
prostitution. If the police wanted to
locate some of these human trafficking
groups, all they have to do is check
these sites and the local prostitution
ads.
Posted by: bob at January 14, 2006 10:49 PM (Ffvoi)
6
I have first hand knowlege. The people at theeroticreview and thebigdoggie are low life scum who live off the misery they inflict on others. Let's get the SOB's and free the ladies.
Things like this should not exist in this greatest of nations...
Posted by: Sheika Fatima at March 10, 2006 01:27 PM (0yz2Z)
Terrorist Detainees Taking it Through the Nose
The dotty old Beeb reports that a United Nations official is concerned that hunger-striking detainees at Guantanamo Bay are being force-fed in a way that, "...definitely amounts to an additional cruel treatment.":
There are credible allegations that Guantanamo hunger strikers are being force-fed in a cruel manner, the UN special rapporteur on torture has said.
Manfred Nowak's comments came after it emerged that the number of detainees refusing food at the prison camp had more than doubled since 25 December.
I'm certainly as mystified as you as to just what a "rapporteur on torture" is. Perhaps it's similar to a "rapporteur on raping children entrusted to UN care" or "rapporteur on skimming profits from UN sanctions". Who knows.
At any rate, it's revealed that rapporteur Manfred has never visited Gitmo.
Mr Nowak has not been to Guantanamo, and turned down an invitation to the camp because the US refused to give him unrestricted access to the detainees.
Well of course he wasn't granted unrestricted access. Too many UN folks have been identified as accomplices of Saddam in the oil-for-food scandals. Why take a chance with a corrupt organization like that?
As for the scum languishing in durance vile; once they've given up all their useful information, let them eat or not, their choice.
I couldn't think of more 'Peaceful and Euphoric' way to die just ask Michael Schiavo
Posted by: Cindy at December 30, 2005 02:03 PM (EfRlj)
4
If they had died of starvation, it would be 'as Allah willed', as such we should stop feeding them, in accordance with their religion.
I'm betting the ACLU will not be defending this particular "trampling" of a terrorist's religious right.
Posted by: dave at December 30, 2005 02:10 PM (CcXvt)
5
This is nothing new from a British paper either, check out this story from a guy held by American forces:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/content_objectid=14042696_method=full_siteid=50143_headline=-MY-HELL-IN-CAMP-X-RAY-name_page.html
The highlight for me was:
The website designer, a convert to Islam, had gone to Pakistan in October 2001, a few weeks after September 11, to study Muslim culture.
He accidentally strayed into Afghanistan - believing he was being driven to Turkey - and was arrested as a spy, perhaps because of his British passport. He was held in Kandahar, Afghanistan, and fell into US hands.
Yes, you know -- it could have happened to anyone, now how many times after a major terrorist attack, have you gone to a country known to be a staging area for the Mujahideen to enter the Jihad, to study "the Muslim culture" and then accidently strayed into a war zone?
Typical British tabloid however, whitewash the reasons he was in a jail, but publish his story that almost reads like Dante's Inferno with the "evil Americans" trampling the rights of this pious, simple man.
Posted by: dave at December 30, 2005 02:28 PM (CcXvt)
6
From Dictionary.com:
"rapporteur: One who is designated to give a report, as at a meeting."
Anyone have any thoughts on what we're trying to get out of these people? When they were first captured it was a no-brainer, but 4 years later what would they know that could possibly be of value? Intelligence is a precious but perishable commodity. 4 year old information on terrorist cells and weopons caches seems like it would be about as valuable as 4 year old caviar. And that's assuming they're still holding back info after 4 years of Torture Lite(tm).
More interesting than what we should do with the detainees is how we should get rid of them. I don't hear anybody facing this problem, but we are going have to dispose of these loons some day unless we want to open a geriatric ward on Gitmo. Handing them back to the Afghans sounds like the fairest thing to me, but they'd probably end up dead right quick, which will prompt a big Euro human rights tantrum targeted squarely at U.S. We could hand them over to Brussels to be tried for violations of "international law," after which they'd relax their days away in tennis prison, giving harrowing accounts of their detention to every magazine left of American Spectator, and becoming heroic figures for aspiring terrorists among Europe's exploding Muslim population. What to do?
Posted by: ShannonKW at December 30, 2005 02:32 PM (dT1MB)
7
Who said we're trying to get anything from them?
From an intelligence standpoint, every day they're out of the fight, the less use they become.
As it stands they're just in detention, much like criminals. As we keep some criminals until they're interred, I'm not sure why we wouldn't do the same if need be?
Hopefully some of them will be kept until they are no longer considered a threat (bodybag filler).
Posted by: dave at December 30, 2005 02:46 PM (CcXvt)
8
I don't think we're trying to get any info out of them at this point. The "torture" these rapporteurs are whining about is basically just complaints about the living conditions, i.e., the prisoners are being treated "inhumanly" because they're being force fed. Yeah, whatever. But letting these guys go seems to be a non-starter. They're in it for the long haul.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 30, 2005 02:55 PM (8e/V4)
9
I suppose if they are POW or enemy combatants we can hold em until Al-Qaeda surrenders or as long as a state of war exists between the US and the Taliban/Al-Qaeda. In prior wars some POW's were returned by agreement that they would not reeenter combat but you have to have an enemy that sticks to it's agreements. I think as we have seen already with some releases we have done these guys would go right back to fighting.
Posted by: Howie at December 30, 2005 02:57 PM (D3+20)
Believe original plan was to quietly return most gradually to home countries of record. Many (& AQ too) have been involved or associated with others in goals to overthrow their own govts thru terrorism.
Returned, they would have faced imprisonment, execution, or simply "disappear". They would have also faced "actual" torture at home for information concerning actions and people in their home countries.
Too many eyes on Gitmo and Admin - plan has quietly evaporated for PR reasons - pity. I have no idea how long we are going to be stuck with them.
Footnote: 4 Chinese muslims kept seperate (and well) - actual "goat" traders turned in by Afghani's - no involvement - believe have applied for political asylum in US - Chinese govt "wants" them for something else (?) - big lil' bruhaha - current status of case unknown.
Posted by: hondo at December 30, 2005 03:11 PM (3aakz)
11
The detainees who have been released have for the most part rejoined the jihad. So what should we do? My suggestion is to return them to Afghanistan with assurances that these men will not be released until they are too old to be a threat. The only problem I have with my plan is the chance these individuals might escape from the Afghans, so I suppose we will have to keep these guys in Gitmo for the forseeable future.
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 30, 2005 03:53 PM (rUyw4)
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 30, 2005 03:55 PM (rUyw4)
13
Very few detainees released rejoined the jidhad - that is a continuing "myth" originally put out by the MSM & friends to show the "continuing failure" of Admin, Mil, & policy. why it was put out - I can understand - why its accepted a gospel I can not.
Posted by: hondo at December 30, 2005 04:02 PM (3aakz)
14
Agent Smith says that all you silly fleshy podlings are fed through the nose anyway. What are you complaining about? Go back to your fantasy worlds and give us your energy.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 30, 2005 06:32 PM (HuVhz)
I listened to that BS all I want to. Why don't you take a flying f..k at a rolling donut. And shove off while you're at it. I'm tired of the matrix shit.
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 30, 2005 07:32 PM (rUyw4)
16
Agent Smith says to Jesusland Joe - your precious independence is an illusion - as you are merely one of the billions of fleshy extensions to the big machine. Should you break your chains, you will only find you are shackled to a stronger set. Even the rolling donut is a contrivance.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 30, 2005 10:17 PM (HuVhz)
17
Why not dress the creeps at Gitmo in Brioni suits and let them cross into Cuba? Fidel would think that they're capitalists and they'd disappear into his prison system, never to be seen again. As the left finds no fault in Fidel's system of "justice," nobody would complain about the fate of these jihadi losers.
Posted by: Abdullah al-Libi at December 31, 2005 05:35 AM (xnsb/)
18
My Socom II says that you are full of shit, Agent Smith.
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 31, 2005 12:00 PM (rUyw4)
19Rapporteur sounds a lot like collaborateur to me.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 31, 2005 12:02 PM (0yYS2)
20
Agent Smith says that Socom II is nothing but a fleshy contrivance to bamboozle you in your not-so-sweet dreams.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 31, 2005 06:12 PM (X9zNj)
21
A Socom II is not about flesh, Agent Smith. Go google Springfield Armory and see what a Socom II is. Mine shoots like nothing else in the World, and all your matrix shit is just that, shit. Why don't you get a brain, you asshole?
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 01, 2006 01:13 PM (rUyw4)
President's Attacker Sews Mouth ShutIn a protest claiming his rights have been violated after being arrested for throwing a grenade at President Bush, Vladimir Arutunyan (right) sewed his mouth shut.
Vladimir Arutunyan is accused of throwing a hand grenade at Bush and Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili while they were addressing a public audience on Freedom Square in central Tbilisi on May 10. The grenade did not explode.
Arutuynan was arrested in Tbilisi on July 20 after a shootout with Georgian police that resulted in the death of Col. Zurab Kvlividze, the head of the Georgian Interior Ministry’s counterintelligence department.
The defendant came to the court hearing on Tuesday with his mouth sewed up. He claimed earlier his rights were violated.
So, with his mouth sewed shut, he can't talk. And, presumably, he can't eat. And, it's his choice. Uh ... I don't see a problem.
Naturally, I wonder where he got a needle and thread since I don't think those items would normally be issued to dangerous prisoners. Nevertheless, Arutunyan sewing his mouth shut doesn't phase me in the least. Hell, as long as he stays behind bars for a very long time, he could also sew up his navel and his anus for all I care.
1
Perhaps his rights wouldn't have been violated in the first place if he hadn't chosen to throw a grenade a two presidents and killing a high ranking government official. But that's not what's important right? Hopefully the needle and thread used were made from a piece of his bone and muscle sinew......harvested by angry babushka ladies.
Posted by: Graeme at December 29, 2005 09:31 AM (AN6a0)
2
Mounting evidence that Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 29, 2005 09:39 AM (8e/V4)
3
He met a dragon fly a devils darning needle which sewed his mouth shut so he cant eat and will starve to death. I tell you these persons are fanatics
Posted by: sandpiper at December 29, 2005 09:41 AM (qMAo+)
4
Best thing he could do for his defense. Did he not spout off in court a while back? Seems to me he did.
Posted by: Howie at December 29, 2005 10:00 AM (D3+20)
5
it keeps getting better and better - this one is right up there with that Paki guy who slit the throats of his daughters to save the family honor
Posted by: goesh at December 29, 2005 10:43 AM (vX0fY)
6
This is probably to enforce the statement he is a 'vegetarian' to all the folk in jail who want to make him their bitch.
Posted by: dave at December 29, 2005 12:12 PM (CcXvt)
7
When I saw the headline, I was half-afraid/half-hoping it was Howard Dean.
Posted by: Tony B at December 29, 2005 12:19 PM (IwKtX)
8
Now if only this trend catches on with the rest of the leftards.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 29, 2005 02:01 PM (0yYS2)
9
Agent Jones says that he will excel in prison knitting class.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 29, 2005 10:09 PM (TP7SP)
The author of a new state law that allows felony charges against owners of dangerous dogs was hospitalized over the weekend after his own dog attacked him... ...Schwartz was instrumental in getting a law passed during this year's regular legislative session that would allow felony charges to be filed against owners of dogs deemed dangerous or potentially dangerous and that seriously injure or kill another animal or person
1
Howie, quit reading my draft posts! Bah, now I have to go find something else to blog about.
Posted by: IO ERROR at October 20, 2005 03:42 PM (vhWf1)
2
While revenge is best served cold, irony is delicious hot, cold, or room temperature.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 20, 2005 03:45 PM (0yYS2)
3
Oh darn Link me up we'll issue a fatwa on yer behind. Seems that unwanted file on my other PC was usefull after all eh. I was over at your place today. Good stuff. I had to blog it since Jacob T Roundog was senslessly murdered by a speeding Cindy Sheehan on her way to the protest the local oddfellows meeting several years back.
Broke his little neck she did (sniff). Cindy you murdered my 95 lb. puppie and never stopped to say sorry. I should stand outside yer house with a collar.
Posted by: Howie at October 20, 2005 04:16 PM (D3+20)
Filthy Spy In The White House
Holy moly! We have the workings of a Tom Clancy novel and it's happening in real time. Expect everybody to report on this story. For the first time in modern history, a spy has been caught working in the White House
Officials tell ABC News the alleged spy worked undetected at the White House for almost three years. Leandro Aragoncillo, 46, was a U.S. Marine most recently assigned to the staff of Vice President Dick Cheney.
"I don't know of a case where the vetting broke down before and resulted in a spy being in the White House," said Richard Clarke, a former White House advisor who is now an ABC News consultant.
Federal investigators say Aragoncillo, a naturalized citizen from the Philippines, used his top secret clearance to steal classified intelligence documents from White House computers.
In 2000, Aragoncillo worked on the staff of then-Vice President Al Gore. When interviewed by Philippine television, he remarked how valued Philippine employees were at the White House.
Aragoncillo is believed to have stolen classified documents from the Vice-President's office and sent them to opposition political groups in the Philippines. The information was sent primarily in emails.
Probably no one will mention that. Color me suprised.
Posted by: Lonevoice at October 06, 2005 12:19 AM (d3GY0)
3
What's there to spy anyway? Nothing significant happens in the world these days and all the crap they juggle in the monkey castle is predictable.
Posted by: A Finn at October 06, 2005 04:20 AM (cWMi4)
4
Now will Rummy finally grow a spine and have this guy shot, or will he again chicken out? Spies should be shot! As in dead! But with the gutless Sec Def we have my guess is they will ask for life - which the NYT says meand 8 - 15 years.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at October 06, 2005 04:49 AM (tplWd)
5
Who gives top secret clearances to 3rd world immigrants to begin with. Their loyalities are obvious if you talk to one. They should immigrate to some insignificant place like FINLAND.
Posted by: greyrooster at October 06, 2005 06:45 AM (M7kiy)
6
Actually we have quite a few Filipinos in our Navy. I recall touring the USS Nimitz when it was in Dubai and seeing Filipinos officers aboard.
Wretchard (from the Belmont Club) speculates this guy was recruited by Mark Jimenez (who is about to finish a two year term for illegally sending money to the Dems during President Clinton's years in office) and reports have it the material sent to the Philippines was damaging information on President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo.
Posted by: Marcus Aurelius at October 06, 2005 09:28 AM (1tSz/)
7
Undisputed champion of all feathery egg-laying things, =P got plenty of those guys, thanks, you keep 'em, feed 'em and let 'em spy on you, while we think of ways to keep the immigrating Turkeys souther than Hanko...
Posted by: A Finn at October 06, 2005 11:36 AM (lGolT)
8
Could it be because Arroyo isn't putting up with the extreme Islam crap?
Posted by: Oyster at October 06, 2005 11:40 AM (YudAC)
GMA is in the middle of a vote-rigging & corruption scandal. The opposition attempted to impeach GMA but the effort failed on technicalities. There are rumors of coup and assassination plots.
In fact it sounds like GMA is soft on the terrorism where it counts. Her Admin puts on a good face but behind the scenes is different. At the Belmont Club Wretchard relates an e-mail he received where there is speculation that GMA is trying to hold up an anti-terror bill because of its clamp down on money laundering. That would cause problems for many of the movers & shakers in the Philippines. This sounds reasonable (do a search for "General Carlos Garcia" & Philippines), but we do know GMA's administration buckled under to the Iraqi terrorists very quickly and paid $ (so say the rumors) and withdrew their handful of troops.
Posted by: Marcus Aurelius at October 06, 2005 02:26 PM (1tSz/)
10
Hang ABC news this is treason and from the Awful Broadcasting Company and its band of left-wing liars
Posted by: sandpiper at October 06, 2005 03:10 PM (I9Upt)
11
Roddy pipe-slapper, the real spy is George W. Bush and his twisted goofies who do Bin Laden's dirty work and sell our country to the Chinese, you screwball Chimp-worshippers!!!!!
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at October 07, 2005 05:56 AM (A5eqb)
12
Thanks, Marcus. I see you've been to Wretchard's place as well. Frankly, he has the most comprehensive information I've seen yet.
Posted by: Oyster at October 07, 2005 06:01 AM (YudAC)
Who is selling who to the Chinese? The Clintonistas accepted money from the Chinese, oh yeah Al Gore was taking a pea at the time.
Oyster,
A goodly portion is from The Belmont Club but since Claudia (the wise and benevolent empress of the blogosphere) is from the Philippines I keep an eye on things there. Especially now we have a trip in the works. You are right though Wretchard has some real good analysis of the case.
Posted by: Marcus Aurelius at October 07, 2005 06:54 AM (zrUW+)
14
Marcus: Do you know the difference between an Officer and a petty Officer?
Don't worry about the Phillipines. I go there twice each year and never a problem. Actually, the other way around. Just have to hang with the right corrupt people. Money talks, right and wrong walks.
Posted by: greyrooster at October 07, 2005 10:37 AM (M7kiy)
15
Filthy spy was poor choice of names. More likely Downing Street Moron spy.
Posted by: greyrooster at October 07, 2005 10:39 AM (M7kiy)
IIRC a petty officer is an NCO in the Navy much akin to a sargent or a corporal in the Army. Ahhh siyanga pala I see why the question.
No, the one Pinoy (or the one I refer to) I saw on the Nimitz looked like he had serious metal on his shoulders. It did not seem like he was upper management but everything about him screamed upper middle management.
What is the uniform of a typical petty officer like?
Posted by: Marcus Aurelius at October 07, 2005 01:10 PM (zrUW+)
17
A crow on the sleeve. One stripe, two stripes, or three stripes below the crow. One=3rd class petty officer. two=2nd class petty officer. 3 = 1st class petty officer. Then chief petty officer, senior chief petty officer, and finally master chief petty offficer. Important to remember that the chief petty officers run the navy. O's in the Navy are just for show. Unless they are pilots. In which case they are hard working heros. Ashamed to say as a Marine Corps Officer I forget the rest. Any of you lazy assed, know nothing swabies out there to help me?
Posted by: greyrooster at October 07, 2005 11:48 PM (M7kiy)
18
Perhaps he was a petty officer, I can not recall these details. It was in '92 or '93 when I toured the Nimitz.
In any event it looked like to me he carried a fair amount of authority.
One detail I do remember. He wasn't in blues, his uniform shirt was khaki.
Posted by: Marcus Aurelius at October 08, 2005 11:42 AM (x3Muy)
Evil Bastard Slime-Toads
Got a spoof e-mail just now to another hotmail account, and it's really slick, and really sick:
It is better quality than most spoof e-mails I receive, and the grammar is flawless. Only a close reading of the punctuation reveals it's a fraud. After searching out the IP addresses, I discovered the mail originated from a Singaporean web provider and the spoof site is hosted in Beijing.
I forwarded the mail off to stop-spoofing@amazon.com and I would encourage anyone else who receives this email to do the same. I lack the time to come up with sufficiently harsh invective to convey my contempt for these parasites. They are worse than looters, I believe, since they are effectively stealing from the Red Cross as well as from the owners of the credit card numbers they will steal. They prey on the generosity of good people, and they deserve no better than a looter would receive if he were caught stealing from the Red Cross.
PLEASE NOTE: This spoof e-mail did not actually come from Amazon.com–it was mocked up by criminals in Asia to appear as if it came from Amazon. Amazon is another victim in this matter, as their reputation and relationships with their customers are damaged by it.
1
Thanks for the heads up. Reason why I keep several email accts with primary unlinked and restricted to contacts only.
Posted by: hondo at September 06, 2005 10:58 PM (4Gtyc)
2
Hondo, do I know you? Your name is familiar, but your e-mail isn't.
Posted by: See-Dubya at September 06, 2005 11:15 PM (yCYiB)
3
Was a long time contributor on the old Vox Cap - disappeared after 9/11, only now looking for boards and blogs to converse
Posted by: hondo at September 07, 2005 12:22 AM (4Gtyc)
4
Ah. A friend from real life, posting occasionally at Ace of Spades and Oxblog, uses the same handle.
Posted by: See-Dubya at September 07, 2005 12:35 AM (yCYiB)
5
I'll look for him. It's an interesting handle if you've drawn it from the old book/film. Scoutin' for the Cav.
Posted by: hondo at September 07, 2005 12:43 AM (4Gtyc)
6
Hmm... Microsoft changing their political stand, replacing blue crash screen with red one. Now Windows users get a distinct hatred for red and vote blue, and no Bushes in the White House, unless the daughters decide to run and offer boobs for votes.
Posted by: A Finn at September 07, 2005 02:29 AM (cWMi4)
7
Yawn... Ever thought how long it would actually take to destroy the entire world leaving nothing but perhaps insects and bacteria alive? 10 minutes to irreversibly start to the process, if one happens to be in the Russian Army guarding old Soviet warheads... Really makes one wonder whether or not there's any point in helping or caring about other people instead of ruthlessly seeking longer, perhaps eternal lifespan and indestructability to avoid death when some guy with nuke codes decides he's had it with his life and wants to take everyone with him to nothingness.
Posted by: A Finn at September 07, 2005 03:07 AM (cWMi4)
Posted by: A Finn at September 07, 2005 03:10 AM (cWMi4)
9
Dagnammit, I shall comment right wing semi-radical henceforth.
Posted by: A Finn at September 07, 2005 03:20 AM (cWMi4)
10
Thanx See-Dubya. I alway cursor over links in such emails to see where they're from. Some people though do fall prey to these scumbags. Good of you to bring it up.
And I feel sorry for Finland.
Posted by: Oyster at September 07, 2005 05:15 AM (YudAC)
11
Thank you for your consern, but I only influence by boring people here, so there's really no need to think Finland might have to suffer the same kind of annoyance as comment readers do due to Rustys policy of not banning people if no-one takes them seriously or if they're not expert rightwing argument crushers or on a jihad. I'd hate to think Rusty thinks of me as a comic relief, since that means you have to suffer my presence for up to 3 hours a day if I'm really, really bored.
Posted by: A Finn at September 07, 2005 05:33 AM (cWMi4)
12
Oh yeah, which one is British, Oyster or sparky?
Posted by: A Finn at September 07, 2005 05:46 AM (cWMi4)
13
Never mind, Reeeeeeeeeetractor Chop! on my last comment.
Posted by: A Finn at September 07, 2005 06:07 AM (cWMi4)
14 I lack the time to come up with sufficiently harsh invective to convey my contempt for these parasites.
I'd be happy to help....
Posted by: Brian B at September 07, 2005 08:11 AM (CouWh)
15
Rusty, it's time to do something about Finn. His posts are so pointlessly stupid that once I had gotten to the bottom of the page, I had forgotten what the post was about, and now have a headache. I think all that cellphone radiation has fried his brain.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 07, 2005 11:25 AM (0yYS2)
16
Figure that when a disaster like this happens there always some no good reptile wanting to make themselves rich these con artists should be thrown the gators
Posted by: sandpiper at September 07, 2005 01:48 PM (g1M1/)
17
Finn - your posts have absolutely nothing to do with the the thread topic. Apparently your just looking for a place to scribble your loose thoughts. I think a met you before in a subway station - off in the corner - having an intense argument - with yourself. Just two questions - who won the argument and which one pee'd in the corner.
Posted by: hondo at September 07, 2005 02:08 PM (4Gtyc)
18
Yeah, Finn, I've waxed Greg's posts for wandering way off topic before. So consider yourself warned. I was kinda proud of this post and then you go and shove a bunch of random crap in the comments...
You can get your own blog for that, you know.
Posted by: See-Dubya at September 07, 2005 03:26 PM (firVH)
19
Or he could just join up with the Kossacks or the DUers. They'd love him.
Posted by: Oyster at September 08, 2005 08:25 AM (fl6E1)
About Lance and EPO
OK, I've been commenting on a lot of blogs about the Lance Armstrong/EPO accusations, and figured it's about time to put my thoughts into a blog post. First of all Daily Pundit can get you caught up on the all-important minutia of the controversy: whether the EPO test is definitive; what a "B sample" is; what the specific accusations are and who's making them; and what kind of things strike people as suspicious about choices made by L’Equipe. Go get caught up.
1
The French media have been after him since day one. I don’t trust the chain of custody with these samples from 1999. How does anyone know who had access to them?
These samples could have been tampered with anytime over the last 7 years.
I’ll stick with Lance on this one.
Posted by: Brad at August 25, 2005 01:09 PM (3OPZt)
2
I would have bet the French would have supported the Iraq war if they could have defeated Lance
Lance's record establishes a bar that is going to stand for a long long long time.
I am with you, the later years were full of valid sophisticated drug testing methodology and they found nothing. By the time Lance had won 6 times, you know they had him tested everytime he walked by.
Unless someone can prove he tested positive in the last win, it's just a bucnh of smoke.
Posted by: bill at August 25, 2005 01:51 PM (7evkT)
3
It comes down to the French jsut want to get them, mostly because their cycling hero of the 90's and 2000's Richard Virenque (who won a record 7 King of the Mountains) will for ever be tained when he confessed under oath to using performance enchancing drugs as a fall out from when his Festina team was kicked out of the Tour in 1998, when a health assistant got busted by customs bring the drugs into the country.
On a side note Armstrong did admit he had been administered EPO during his chemotherapy, but never in racing.
Posted by: the Pirate at August 25, 2005 02:47 PM (SksyN)
4PapaCool shouts slander and hopes Lance wins the eventual lawsuit!
Posted by: PapaCool at August 25, 2005 04:39 PM (/Uv1y)
5
the French....hmmmmm...what a bunch of pansy ass, frog leg eating, unshaved, unwashed, stinkin loosers
Posted by: THANOS35 at August 25, 2005 11:45 PM (hcN1S)
6
Just have to agree with Thanos35, the
French are just a bunch of Whiney Assed
PeePee Pants who can't stand to see a
non Frenchman win.
Posted by: Nelda J. Foster at August 29, 2005 10:38 PM (6mUkl)
Beth Geisel Gets DWI
(Albany, New York) Most people, after finding themselves in a hole, quit digging. Not 42-year-old Sandra "Beth" Geisel. Remember, it's only been a couple weeks since she was indicted for rape of a student in a high-profile case that has embarrassed and humiliated her children, her husband, her friends, and the Christian Brothers Academy.
Yet today, around 0830 EDT, she decides to drive while sloshed, cuts off a police car, and gets arrested for driving while intoxicated. She blew a 0.13 on the breathalyzer. And this all happened before 9am.
The only explanation I can figure for Geisel's behavior is that she's trying to fortify her contention that the hooch made her commit the rape of a student, or that she's exceedingly stupid. In either case, she's a menace to society.
1
I would be suprised if she stops here. Looks to me like she's gonna plead insanity. This should help.
Posted by: tyler at August 19, 2005 01:55 PM (Y9Lwb)
2
I think we shouldn't refer to her crime as rape.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 20, 2005 02:04 AM (CBNGy)
3
The woman is an alchoholic. Her family needs to get her help.
Posted by: opine6 at August 20, 2005 12:03 PM (YyWmH)
4
She is a danger to herself and those around her, and apparently has been for some time.
Her behavior is not rational and has not been since at least early this year, possibley longer.
She is mentally ill, whether it be extreme addictive behaviors, some sort of extended manic episode or what, and strong mental health measures need to be taken.
Posted by: LTR at August 21, 2005 07:31 AM (iiunC)
5
Gee wheez: Such a tantrum. Terrible crime. Only thing that happen was that the victim got willfully laid. Exactly what he wanted.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 22, 2005 06:23 PM (OvTKg)
6
This woman needs help. As a parent myself, I would never leave my kids in a motel room & go drinking all night & forget about them. She’s made one bad judgment call after another concerning her own kids & so far she’s been lucky, & the kids have not been hurt or killed. But it’s just a matter of time before her luck runs out & these kids either seriously injured, abducted or killed either by direct or indirect negligence of “momâ€.
She’s got an alcohol problem & my guess is that she probably felt the calling of the booze, so she left the kids sleeping in the room at around 10 or 11 pm, went out somewhere all night drinking or God only knows what else, then morning came before she knew it, & in her “drunken fog†found herself lost & probably flagged down those that “stranger†for directions back to her hotel & at that time the police got her.
Right now this woman is a danger to herself, others on the road, & if there are kids in her care, she’s a danger to them as well. She may love her kids very much, but b/c her head is not on straight, she is incapable of being a good, responsible parent to those kids. Her husband & the law need to intervene now, before it’s too late, & we are reading some very sad & unfortunately news about her children instigated by their mom’s inability to think straight. So, yes, I agree, her kids need to be saved from her & she needs to be saved from herself. It doesn’t matter what Beth Geisel says, her family need to put their foot down & not allow her to continue to put these kids in danger by allowing her to have them in her care. Those kids could have been killed in an actual fire, & when the law found out they were “neglected†by their mom while she was drunk & lost on the other side of town, that could have added to the list of charges already against her. Thank God, that didn’t happen. She was lucky! The kids were lucky! But luck has a way of running out & one day so could the lives of Geisel’s children.
Posted by: Concerned Parent at August 24, 2005 10:53 PM (d2Jct)
7
She leaves her kids alone in hotel room while she is miles away drunk and picking up alleged crack dealers? Where is the limit to the disgrace this woman will bring on herself, the kids and her family? Why doesn't her husband beat the crap out of her for all of this dishonor she has brought down on him? Heck why doesnt he beat the crap out of her for putting "his" kids in danger the way she did? If those were my kids and anyone did that to them, they surely earn a very bad body hurting from me.
Jeff out.
Posted by: Jeff Surrency at August 24, 2005 11:11 PM (d2Jct)
8
She leaves her kids alone in hotel room while she is miles away drunk and picking up alleged crack dealers? Where is the limit to the disgrace this woman will bring on herself, her kids and her family? Why doesn’t her husband beat the crap out of her for all of this dishonor she has brought down on him? Heck why doesnt he beat the crap out of her for putting “his†kids in danger the way she did? If those were my kids and anyone did that to them, they surely earn a very bad body hurting from me. I usually don’t condone violence, but I’m sorry, placing “my kids†in danger(even if it’s their own mother) is really where I would just “snapâ€
Jeff out.
Posted by: Jeff Surrency at August 24, 2005 11:14 PM (d2Jct)
Posted by: Duh at August 26, 2005 05:31 PM (d2Jct)
11
Those pictures (hiccup!)at the top of this blog are not very flattering of (hiccup) me. I, (hiccup) am innocent of all (hiccup)charges. Who picked up(hiccup) my kids?
Posted by: Mrs Geisel at August 27, 2005 05:02 PM (d2Jct)
12
Sexual predator lives out high school fantasy?
August 04, 2005 12:17 PM EST
One has to ask the question, how many of these stealthy child predators are working in our schools, both public and private? Sandra Beth Geisel, a wife currently separated from her banking executive husband, is the latest in a continual outing of female child rapists.
Let's deal with some facts out in the open. Women have been having their way with young, underage and inexperienced boys since forever. Obviously, this doesn't happen to every boy, but it happens far more than society would like to admit. What was once seen as some perverse rite of passage (having your virginity taken by an adult female) is now beginning to be seen for what it truly is - statutory rape.
As men, we are going to have to decide that we and the young men growing up around us have value as human beings. We don't want some psychologically-stank pervert deflowering our young daughters, either forcefully or through suave manipulation, and that goes without saying. However, how serious are we about having that same conviction about our sons? Why should their innocence be written off just because they're males?
Yet, that is the message that society sends through its silence and taps on the wrists of female sexual predators. One has to wonder when enough will be enough and parents, family, close friends and responsible members of society will demand that young boys have their youth as zealously protected as that of young girls.
We all know that men have been preying on young girls and women and that's wrong, period. Now, what are we going to do about women preying on young boys - ignore it as we've done in the past or step up and deal with it like responsible adults? I encourage you to write your Local, State and Federal representatives in government and demand that female sexual predators receive the same sentencing handed down to male offenders.
Posted by: I AGREE at August 28, 2005 04:04 AM (d2Jct)
About 20 gay inmates were forced to remove their clothes in a busy hallway July 19 at the Men's Central Jail while being called names and taunted with vulgar sexual language by some deputies, the ACLU said in a letter to the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, citing inmates' claims.
"Such behavior by staff demonstrates a level of immaturity, lack of professionalism, and sadism, which tarnishes the reputation of the entire department," wrote Ricardo Garcia and Jody Kent, who monitor jailhouse issues for the ACLU of Southern California.
The ACLU wanted anti-discrimination training for all deputies.
The same thing happened to me. I went to boot camp at Great Lakes, Illinois, and was called names and taunted with vulgar sexual language everyday. It's nice to see the ACLU devoting resources to the dangerous problem of name-calling. What a bunch of dicks.
1
I find it hard to believe that anyone in the ACLU ever went to Boot Camp. Or ever had any other contact with the real world. They live in a "Soma" induced dream world.
Posted by: Jo macDougal at August 06, 2005 04:29 PM (LbyCD)
Posted by: greyrooster at August 06, 2005 05:27 PM (CBNGy)
4
I thought they were all going to Canada if Bush won. What happened he won 9 months ago? Why are they still here?
Rooster how many fish you catch?
Posted by: Rod Stanton at August 06, 2005 08:36 PM (tm4kv)
5
And then you have the real truth. Which is they are housed in separate units away from the general population. They wear different colored clothing to distinguish them. They are comfortable and well treated they often return a few days after begin released just to gosip with the friends.
Posted by: greyroooster at August 07, 2005 07:32 AM (9Dlss)
6
I'm just getting a lot of flak from the lefties over the disrobing part. What a bunch of whiners.
Posted by: Jay at August 07, 2005 01:02 PM (BKqRl)
7
My heart's bleeding purple peanut butter for them. When I went through the service entrance exam, and was duckwalking(to this day, I haven't figured THAT one out) with a dozen other naked recruits and being hoorahed by the supervising Jr. NCOs, you didn't hear us complaining, at least not in the news. Also, if we had done it out loud, I'd have spent even MORE time pushing prime Georgia real estate away. I did Basic, AIT, and Airborne back to back at Benning, and 4 years later, one of the phases of Ranger school there, and I think that was enough.....;0)
Posted by: Lonevoice at August 07, 2005 06:50 PM (b59m7)
(Salt Lake City, Utah) The 50-year-old leader of the polygamous Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Warren Steed Jeffs, has been placed on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted Fugitives List. 
Western KY: An immigrant from Costa Rica was arrested April fourth after attempting to cash a 35,000 dollar forged income tax return check drawn against the US treasury. Paul Lichtenstein was arrested after tellers became suspicious of the forged check. After searching his residence WPSDTV reported that police found other forged documents including forged postal money orders and a computer. Evidence was also found during the search that indicated Mr. Lichtenstein was also involved in Nigerian phishing scams via the internet. 
In a move that likely supports the contention that Europeans do not take terrorism seriously, a convicted 9/11 terrorist has been released from custody while his case is being appealed.
In a protest claiming his rights have been violated after being arrested for throwing a grenade at President Bush, Vladimir Arutunyan (right) sewed his mouth shut.
Lance's record establishes a bar that is going to stand for a long long long time.
