16 Gitmo Detainees Released to Saudi Arabia
(Jeddah, Saudi Arabia) According to Middle East sources, 16 detainees at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, were sent home to Saudi Arabia yesterday. Per agreement between the U.S. and Saudi governments, the detainees would be tried under Saudi law.
So far, a total of 93 Saudi Gitmo prisoners have been released while 37 remain. The numbers don't include three Saudis that allegedly committed suicide, one hunger-striker and two hangings, which are being investigated.
Interestingly, Maj. Gen. Mansour Al-Turki of the Interior Ministry, stated that 54 of the released detainees "have been tried and have undergone a rehabilitation program before rejoining their families."
Isn't that nice? The detainees have been rehabilitated and are back with their families.
Pardon me for being skeptical about the radical Islamist rehabilitation program.
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Germans Arrest Three Terror Suspects In Plot Against U.S. Military Base UPDATED/BUMPEDRight: One of the suspects (left) is taken away by German police. Breaking on the AP wire:
BERLIN - Three men have been arrested for planning attacks on the U.S. military base in Ramstein and Frankfurt's international airport, a German broadcaster reported Wednesday.
Two of the suspects had German citizenship while the third was Pakistani, the Sudwestrundfunk public broadcaster said. It said the men were arrested Tuesday evening and were close to carrying out the attacks.
Nothing to worry about I'm sure. They're just "youths."
UPDATE by Rusty, bane of al Qaeda in Germany, at 08:00: Attack is said to be "imminent" and "massive". Two of the arrested "youths" were German born converts to Islam, 22 & 29. The other is a 29 year old Turkish immigrant--which contradicts the earlier report which said he was Pakistani.
In addition to targeting Ramstein and Frankfurt airport, the group also planned to attack night clubs and bars frequented by Americans. Very reminiscent of the 1980s.
An NPR report said this morning that the three belong to the Uzbeki branch of the global jihad, The Islamic Jihad Group, and to have trained in Pakistan with al Qaeda. The report also claimed that the attack came on direct orders from the al Qaeda leadership.
As Confederate Yankee notes, the hydrogen peroxide base of the bomb most certainly would have been used to construct a TATP bomb. The same kind of bomb used in the London transit bombings. UPDATE: Not so fast, CY thinks that TATP would not have been powerful enough to do the kind of damage the reports are talking about.
UPDATE 08:20: AllahP has a nice history of Islamist plots in Germany and connects many dots. Here are the main points, with a few he missed:
1) Arrests came yesterday, same day as arrests in Denmark. Those plotters also said to be building TATP bomb.
3) May 2007, fear of imminent attack. Possibly linked to Ansar al Sunna, an Iraqi terror group with roots in the Kurdish community and which raises money from European Kurds.
5) Most important, Newsweek reported that Uzbeki Islamic Jihad Group connection back in July. Meaning that not only has this group been under surveillance for some time, but the press had wind of it before the suspects.
You'd think that they'd kind of suspect they were being watched after the media runs a story about a possible German terror cell with links to a little known jihad group in Uzbekistan. The Newsweek article actually goes so far as to say that "its German network has recently attracted recruits of other nationalities." How many jihadis in Germany could actually fit that profile?
Of course, that assumes that the Newsweek report was picked up in the German media and that the plotters read it. But my guess is that these guys were far more likely to be consuming propaganda put out by the Global Islamic Media Front (GIMF), which is run out of Germany, than reading Der Spiegel.
What exactly is the Uzbekistan connection? In 2004 the U.S. and Israeli embassies were bombed in Uzbekistan by "Islamists" of what I presume is the same group. I've also seen pre-9/11 video of Uzbeki Islamists training for jihad within Afghanistan. What many seem not to get in the MSM that there is a loose network of global jihadis, all of which support each other.
This article, linked by Michelle Malkin, says that the three were trained in Pakistan by the Islamic Jihad Union. This NY Times article has the German prosecutor claiming the three had connections to "high ranking al Qaeda members" and the earlier NPR radio story claimed the plot was ordered by al Qaeda leadership.
So, trained by Uzbeki jihadis but on orders from al Qaeda? What this suggests is that the Democratic predisposition to claim that there is a "real" al Qaeda and to seperate this "real" al Qaeda from other Islamist threats is simply not based in reality. We are not at war with al Qaeda, we are at war with a global Islamist movement. That movement has scores of different armed groups, all of which have the same goals as al Qaeda and which have loose connections to it, but few of which actually are the "real" al Qaeda.
Daniel S. from the state of Saarland and Fritz G. from Neu-Ulm in Bavaria, both of whom are German converts to Islam, as well as Adem Y., who is believed to be from Turkey
The report also claims that there were other raids around Germany, meaning that these three may be the tip of the iceberg.
Danes Thwart Bomb Plot UPDATED/BUMPED(Copenhagen, Denmark) With sketchy details, it's reported that Danish Police intelligence service (PET) arrested several people early today for planning a bomb attack somewhere in Copenhagen.
"The arrests are the result of prolonged surveillance of the persons concerned who are suspected of preparing a terrorist act with the use of explosives," PET said in a statement received by AFP.
The arrests were carried out around the Danish capital.
PET did not say how many people were under arrest or give their nationalities.
I'll make a wild stab and guess that those arrested were Muslim.
The eight suspects arrested late on Monday in Copenhagen form part of a terror cell with links to a senior al-Qaeda figure, police said.
The suspects, aged between 19 and 29, were of Afghan, Pakistani, Somali and Turkish origin, police said.
Apparently, my stab wasn't so wild.
UPDATE by Rusty: Hmmmm, related? A couple of years ago a group calling themselves 'The Glory Brigades of Northern Europe' threatened to attack Denmark.
That threat came on the heels of the original Mohammed cartoons. Could today's bust be related to the most recent set of Muhamed cartoons published in Sweden? Authorities are denying that today's arrests had anything to do with the cartoons, but if you read what they're saying, it's not that the plot had nothing to do with the cartoons, only that the arrests weren't catalyzed by them.
Terror Threat - US Embassy AthensBreaking news from Greece.
Greek police arrested 11 Iraqi immigrants on Wednesday after receiving information of a possible al-Qaeda terrorist attack against the United States Embassy in Athens.
Officials conducted searches in various homes around the embassy late on Tuesday and blocked the streets around the diplomatic mission on Wednesday morning after receiving information from an Iraqi national of a possible plan to attack the embassy.
The suspects were taken to police headquarters for questioning. Reportedly, the searches conducted of the various homes found explosives. Logically, security in central Athens has been heightened.
Claiming responsibility afterward was the radical-left Revolutionary Struggle. Readers may recall that this is the same group that fired a rocket at the embassy last January from across the street and it landed in a toilet on the third floor. At the time, the Revolutionary Struggle produced more noise than substance. Even so, the Greek and U.S. governments have offered a combined $2 million reward for information on the group.
From another source, only six Iraqis reportedly were arrested after Greek police received a tip from an Iraqi national of an imminent attack.
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Thank God the plot was thwarted. Hats off to the Greek police.
"al-Qaeda terrorist" or "radical-left Revolutionary Struggle" or Hizbullah or whatever the hell else they call themselves; I have just one word for them "ENEMY".
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at April 25, 2007 07:48 AM (j97MF)
The lawyer and parents of American-born Taliban soldier John Walker Lindh asked President Bush on Wednesday to commute his 20-year prison term, citing the case of an Australian man who was sentenced to less than a year for aiding terrorism.
Lindh, 26, was captured in Afghanistan in November 2001 by American forces sent to topple the Taliban after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. He was charged with conspiring to kill Americans and support terrorists but pleaded guilty to lesser offenses, including carrying weapons against U.S. forces.
Lindh's lawyer and father said the lighter sentence given to Australian David Hicks should be reflected in Lindh's case.
"It is a question of proportionality. It is a question of fairness, and it is a question of the religious experience John Walker Lindh had," attorney James Brosnahan said. "And it was not in any way directed at the United States."
Lindh converted to Islam and went to Afghanistan to fight for the Taliban against the Northern Alliance, which received U.S. backing.
To John Walker Lindh, to his family, and especially to his lawyer I'll only say this...
...tell it to the wife and kids of Mike Spann.
And, Hicks was convicted in Australian court, you were convicted in America.
So enjoy your 20 years of good ol' fashioned American federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison. Try not to put your mouth on any open sores, will you?
Ah, what am I saying, you're everyone's bitch in there.
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This is the only time in my life I wish I was a judge. I'd love to look at this prick over my desk. And don't he dare come into my court cleanly shaven wearing a suit and tie. I want him to look just like he did when arrested. For all to see when I give him the maximum sentence possible. Then off tho Pelican Bay with sand in the vaseline.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 05, 2007 12:13 AM (Ofz11)
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No wb: Last couple of days. Sure miss his bullshit. I heard he's in jail for serving unfit food at the Waffle House in Grand Isle, La. Changed the menu around without asking the owner. Menu: Waffle with pickle pigs feet instead of bacon. Turnip green syrup. Possum meat burgers with collar greens in place of lettuce. Seagull soup of the day served over grits. Watermelon pie. Baked chitterlings with glazed chicken wings. Roasted hogs head with poke salad stuffing. And for dessert stewed chicken feet served with hog head cheese. Channel 4 news said you could smell it 20 miles away and they may sue the waffle house corp. Then someone else said if he moved that menu to Harlen, N.y. he'd get rich. Maybe he's moving.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 05, 2007 12:32 AM (Ofz11)
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Latest on wb: He works for Denny's and hooters so must be very busy cooking that health menu. We'll give him another day befor we anounce that he's back in Angola for impersonating a cook.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 05, 2007 12:35 AM (Ofz11)
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But don't ever admit you actually really do like him ... right rooster?
USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at April 05, 2007 01:20 AM (2OHpj)
They should never let 'John' out. USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at April 05, 2007 03:38 AM (2OHpj)
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I remember watching his father and mother address the televison cameras. My thoughts were this young man evolved via the stupidity of his parents. Ergo, they should be in jail with him! Next to his cell, let's throw in the "flying Imans" for a little R&R. And while we are at it, add Nick Berg's dad for failing to teach his son how to surive in a very hostile (and very deadly) country, especially if you are a Jew! Ok, maybe I am being too harsh: Give them all copies of Tookie's books for comfort and understanding! Oh please!
Posted by: RJ at April 05, 2007 07:16 AM (yyxO/)
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We should have just shot the little bastard......................
Posted by: memphis761 at April 05, 2007 08:40 AM (YHZAl)
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"...and it is a question of the religious experience that John Walker Lindh had..."
That seems to be a pretty big slip of the tongue to me. I think the lawyer pretty much equated having an Islamic religious experience with joining the global jihad without realizing what he was saying. The two are more or less the same anyway...
Give this dickhead life in prison in general population.
Posted by: Jack's Smirking Revenge at April 05, 2007 10:48 AM (2p893)
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Unfortunately, it won't make a difference. The muslim prision population will protect him. Just another prision gang, protecting their own. To them, he's mujahadin.
Posted by: catseye at April 05, 2007 12:51 PM (X+AwP)
Michael: Never seen a man I didn't like. Then they have to open their mouths.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 05, 2007 05:46 PM (PvyEt)
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The pricks parents should be in jail with him. That is after sterilization to prevent the spread of traitorism.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 05, 2007 09:47 PM (PvyEt)
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RJ: You coming with some good stuff. Where do you live?
Posted by: greyrooster at April 05, 2007 09:47 PM (PvyEt)
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Actually, I think Hicks was convicted before a US military tribunal. There's a separate deal taking place permitting him to serve his sentence in an Australian prison.
Posted by: hiraethin at April 06, 2007 05:22 AM (xysqf)
(UPDATED) Police Imposter Visiting Ontario Area Hospitals
UPDATE: One of our intrepid paduwan commenters informed us that the freak has been apprehended. Nice.
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1 April 2007:It’s no April fool’s joke. An unidentified male dressed in a complete Ontario Provincial Police uniform, pictured above (facing camera), has visited the emergency departments of at least seven-(7) hospitals in the greater Toronto, Ontario Canada in the last 36 hours, asking “probing†and “disturbing†questions of the staff. The exact nature of the man’s questions is not being disclosed, but OPP officials are very concerned about the man’s motives. The police imposter has been spotted at St. Michael's Hospital, The Hospital for Sick Children, and Trillium Health Centre in Mississauga and others in the GTA.
Since 9/11, hospitals have known to have been on the short list of terrorists’ targets. In October, 2005 Waseem MUGHAL, 22, of Railway Street, Chatham, UK was arrested for terror related offenses, noting that he possessed a piece of paper on his person with the words "hospital attack" written on the paper. Last year, four British men were arrested at the Stafford District General Hospital located in central UK under the Terrorism Act of 2000 related to a potential attack against hospitals.
In the US, there have been numerous and persistent reports of suspicious activity, including but not limited to surveillance of hospital operations at medical facilities throughout the United States since 2001. Many of these instances, according to a 2004 FBI bulletin and follow-up reports, indicate that suspected Islamic terrorist operatives in the US could be targeting veteran’s hospitals specifically, due to their association with the military and a perception that such an attack may be more successful than an attack against traditional military targets.
All hospitals in the US and Canada are urged to be extremely cautious. Anyone with information on the man pictured above is urged to contact the Ontario Provincial Police.
Posted by: Richard Romano at April 01, 2007 10:46 AM (/2Xsz)
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The article about the arrest never mentions the guy's name.... Just wondering......
Posted by: andy at April 01, 2007 10:56 AM (ZAMZn)
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"Ramara Township" "Mayor Bill Duffy" these are two searches I pulled up real quick. I can't find out much useful about Ramara, but apparently Duffy is a bit of a character. I may have time later to search some more. Anyone else wants to, go for it
USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at April 01, 2007 11:14 AM (2OHpj)
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Please could you stop calling these muslim murderers "british",as i can hardly accept some-one who is determined to kill me or my fellows,as my countryman,they may have a worthless peice of paper with british written on it,but they are far from even a rudimentary understanding of what or who we are.
Posted by: R CROSS at April 01, 2007 11:40 AM (cgneP)
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I know who he is. He is an ally of the Democrats.
Posted by: Randman at April 01, 2007 12:36 PM (Sal3J)
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R Cross. I have mentioned the same over and over. Same reply from the brainwashed in academia. If they have citizenship papers then they are citizens while waving their limp wrists. Bullshit! Bullshit! and more Bullshit! Englishmen are of the English race. Descentants of Anglos, Saxons, Britons (Welsh) and viking types. They are a white race of people. Not brown, not yellow, not black, not nappy headed. They don't come from Africa, North Africa, India, Asia or Jamaica. The only real Europeans are white Europeans. All else is academic bullshit.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 01, 2007 12:53 PM (Met7C)
9Recall this NEIN post in 2005 - Probing Activities in U.S. Rise Sharply
20 May 2005: A "sudden surge" of individuals possessing
and attempting to use false credentials, badges and in some cases,
uniforms to probe key areas within the infrastructure and emergency
services of the United States is being reported by federal law
enforcement officials. A significant increase in potential terrorist probes is being reported concurrently on three levels as detailed below:
Surveillance & Active Probing of Power Plants, Water Treatment Systems, and other Areas of U.S. Infrastructure
Active Entry Attempts at Hospitals, First Responder Stations (Ambulance & Fire) to Access Information & Assess Response
Electronic Probing of Critical Computer Systems
"Sensitive" reports compiled this week by the Department of Homeland
Security are showing a consistent, nationwide increase in attempts to
breach security at key locations within the U.S. by individuals using
subterfuge and false credentials, according to the report labeled
�restricted dissemination.� The report cites a sharp rise in incidents
of individuals using fictitious identification who have attempted to
gain entry into restricted areas of hospitals, medical facilities, fire
stations, and ambulance and rescue stations. In some cases, there have
been reports of thefts of various equipment, including biohazard suits
and protective clothing.
Also cited in this report is a significant rise in "suspicious
activity," further described as "the surveillance and photography" of
key elements of our infrastructure, including nuclear and conventional
power plants, water treatment plants, chemical storage facilities, gas
refineries and storage facilities, bridge structures, train and subway
stations, and large office buildings. In some instances, ventilation
systems appeared to be the focus of attention.
In situations involving hospitals and key medical support facilities, security has thwarted all �known
fraudulent attempts� to gain access to restricted areas or information,
according to the report. [Emphasis added]. A number of cases were cited
where individuals using fake credentials, once questioned further by
internal security, fled upon more detailed questioning. Some imposters
have been identified and investigations are in progress.
Regarding reports of active surveillance and photography or
videotaping of critical infrastructure, the report states that the
�number of incidents of suspicious activity reported to police agencies
has risen dramatically since April.� Details regarding these activities
were less specific in terms of their disposition.
Attempts to gain access to confidential, proprietary and
information described as �sensitive� via computer have also risen
sharply. According to specific reports, attempts included both those of
�intrusion� as well as those involving individuals conducting pretexts
via e-mail. The report describes the latter form of these attempts as
�creative� and seeking to exploit human vulnerabilities.
In situations involving individuals engaged in the above
activities witnessed by law enforcement, security personnel and others,
suspects have been described primarily as well groomed Arab men
appearing to be in the 25-40 year-old age group, although men appearing
to be of Hispanic origin also accounted for 10-15 percent of the
incidents described. Further, a number of suspects were identified as
Caucasians within the same general age range.
Everyone in the emergency sector as well as those involved in
the security of our critical infrastructure are advised to be on a
heightened state of alert for the activities described above.
Posted by: heroyalwhyness at April 01, 2007 07:19 PM (MAPKL)
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rooster, you're absolutley right. That's why being an American is a state of mind, not a race. You need to wisen the fuck up about that.
Posted by: wb at April 01, 2007 10:16 PM (JFQlq)
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Hey nappyneck: We're talking a England. Dork. Now get back to fixing those Waffle house hash browns. They're reconstitued and not real. Just like some Americans.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 01, 2007 10:38 PM (yIWcV)
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The police have <a href="http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20070401/opp_impersonator_070401/20070401?hub=TorontoHomeHomeHome">released</a> the name of the arrestee: Adam Nielsen.
Posted by: pst314 at April 02, 2007 09:28 PM (lCxSZ)
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Sorry, I don't know why that link doesn't display correctly. But google will find the article.
Posted by: pst314 at April 02, 2007 09:32 PM (lCxSZ)
CAIRO, Egypt - Police arrested the outlawed Muslim Brotherhood's chief strategist and at least 140 others Thursday in a crackdown after a protest by uniformed students raised fears the Islamist political group is creating a military wing.
The Interior Ministry announced the arrests, accusing the Brotherhood of recruiting students at Al-Azhar University in Cairo, Egypt's foremost Islamic institute, and providing them with combat training, knives and chains.
Two Generic Youths Convicted of Terrorism
Our first generic youth will be doing his time in Britain. He got his kicks imagining just how many Brits he could kill in one attack.
Scotsman: LONDON (Reuters) - A suspected al Qaeda operative watched impassively in court on Monday as prosecutors played shaky hand-held video of the New York Stock Exchange and other U.S. financial targets he has admitted planning to bomb.
Briton Dhiren Barot, 34, pleaded guilty last month to conspiracy to murder in connection with planned attacks in the United States and Britain -- the latter including the use of a "dirty bomb" laced with radiological material.
Also found were encrypted files containing the plans for the U.S. attacks, which police cracked with the help of a code word discovered during investigations in Pakistan…
"Barot suggested as possible targets the Heathrow Express or an explosion on a tube train whilst in a tunnel under the Thames.
"As to the last, he wrote 'imagine the chaos that would be caused if a powerful explosion were to rip through here and actually rupture the river itself. This would cause pandemonium, what with the explosions, flooding, drowning etc that would result."
Yes just imagine. Our next generic youth is from Italy and he is facing 10 years in Italian prison.
Times of London: ut in his early twenties he abandoned his Hindu faith and plans for a career in hotel management and answered the call to jihad against the West, converting to Islam.
After attending a lecture by the now-jailed cleric Abu Hamza, where he was told of the Mujahidin and the concept of jihad, Barot began to frequently discuss how to help "oppressed" Islamic people abroad....
...When he returned to the UK it is thought he established links with Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, thought to be the "principal architect" of 9/11.
Via Chron: MILAN, Italy — An Egyptian wanted in connection with the 2004 Madrid train bombings was convicted on Monday on international terrorism charges in Italy and sentenced to 10 years in prison.
The court in Milan convicted 35-year-old Rabei Osman Sayed Ahmed and Yahi Ragheh _ a 23-year-old prosecutors said was preparing to be a suicide bomber _ of subversive association aimed at international terrorism, a charge introduced after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the United States. The younger man was given a five-year term.
Both men were led from the courtroom in handcuffs. Ahmed, who just a few minutes earlier had been joking with guards, refused to comment to reporters.
No jokes now eh Ahmed? I say after the 10 years is over, deport him back to Egypt and let the Egyptians play with him.
Posted by: Oyster at November 06, 2006 06:16 PM (YudAC)
3'imagine the chaos that would be caused if a powerful explosion were to rip through here and actually rupture the river itself. This would cause pandemonium, what with the explosions, flooding, drowning etc that would result."
I'm sure he meant it in an introspective / inner struggle / self-improvement kind of way.
Posted by: Graeme at November 06, 2006 07:17 PM (/siV3)
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British huh. Doesn't look very English to me. Again, a piece of paper doesn't make a person what he isn't. Send all middle east scum back to the middle east. Can someone intelligently tell me why the west is importing these backwards shits to begin with? They offer nothing to the host country. They say they come to work and then go on the dole. Wake up white folks. Wake up.
Posted by: Greyrooster at November 06, 2006 10:50 PM (0AdXP)
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I would agree with rooster. These people are not "Britons", whatever their passport might say.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 06, 2006 11:47 PM (8e/V4)
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If they're British, I guess that makes me a fullblood Cherokee.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 07, 2006 08:47 AM (v3I+x)
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99% of the british people are against mass uncontrolled immigration especially of unscreened trash from muslime countries and poor european union countries.
The sad thing is there was never a vote on "becoming multicultural" in the first place. It was forced on the british people. If there was a vote to deport all non desirable immigrants today it would happen for sure.
It will be interesting to see how well the UKIP political party start gaining support.
Posted by: rob at November 07, 2006 10:33 AM (QpkBe)
Al-Qaeda Big Omar al-Faruq Killed
(Basra, Iraq) Formerly a leader in Jemaah Islamiya and a July 2005 escapee from Bagram prison in Afghanistan, Omar al-Faruq (pic) was killed by British forces in southern city of Basra today. Faruq was killed while resisting arrest during a pre-dawn raid by about 200 British troops.
Faruq was an active and important terrorist, having worked with the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) in the Philippines before beginning his career as an important liason for al-Qaeda in Southeast Asia. He admitted during questioning to being responsible for a series of church bombings in Indonesia in 2000 and several unsuccessful terrorist plots in 1999 and 2000.
Illustrating his close relationship to al-Qaeda leadership, Omar al-Faruq, aka Mehmood Ahmed Mohammed, escorted Ayman al-Zawahiri on a tour of Aceh, Indonesia, in 2000.
Hamdan, who founded a mosque in Anaheim, was arrested on immigration charges in July 2004 as federal authorities unsealed an indictment against the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development. The government charged that the Texas-based charity funneled millions to the Palestinian militant group Hamas.
The following month, Hamdan was ordered deported on the immigration charges. His requests to be released on bond while he fights the charges had been denied until this week.
Hamdan, who was born in a Palestinian refugee camp in the West Bank, was accused of having ties to terrorism but was never charged. Instead, he was convicted of overstaying a student visa he got 27 years ago.
According to DTN, this "charity" was shut down on December 4, 2001, for its suspected role in providing financial support to Hamas. The government has been building the case against HLF for over four and a half years now, and the ACLU has just sprung one of the key players. It would appear that Hamdan is at the very least targeted for deportation, as he is still fighting the immigration laws he violated.
A British man was indicted Wednesday on charges he helped run terrorism fundraising Web sites, set up terrorists with temporary housing in England and possessed a classified U.S. Navy document revealing troop movements.
Syed Talha Ahsan, 26, was arrested at his home in London on a federal indictment in Connecticut charging him with conspiracy to support terrorists and conspiracy to kill or injure people abroad.
Ahsan is accused in the same case as Babar Ahmad, a British computer specialist who was indicted in Connecticut in October 2004. Both are accused of running several Web sites including Azzam.com, which investigators say was used to recruit members for the al-Qaida network, Afghanistan's ousted Taliban regime and Chechen rebels.
This rodent is still fighting extradition to the US to face these charges. This particular jihadi has been under investigation since shortly after 9-11.
Durk, durk Allah. Mohammed jihad. Shirpa, shirpa. Bahklava.
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I want to know how he got the "classified" US Navy documents. I hope they're really looking into this and not just acting like they're doing something.
Posted by: pivalleygirl at July 20, 2006 05:34 AM (BQRI6)
2I want to know how he got the "classified" US Navy documents.
That's easy; liberals or muslims working somewhere within the system. Our military and the DoD is heavily inflitrated with traitors and spies.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 20, 2006 05:38 AM (v3I+x)
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He got them from a muslim in the Navy. We have that guy already.
Posted by: Ansar al-Kufir at July 20, 2006 09:20 AM (2ehsl)
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Y'know, as a Briton,it really pisses me off when these people are described as "British". They aint. Syed Whatsit Doodah is NOT a British name. It's not Scottish, I'm damn sure it isn't English and I'm tolerably certain that it isn't Welsh. And Babar, as we all know, is an elephant.
String the buggers up and lets have done with it. And yes, I have been drinking - it's my right as a free born Englishman to get rat arsed and start ranting.
P.S. - Ansar; I'm glad you (the authorities) got the bastard who leaked the documents. Good drills.
Posted by: Kevin at July 20, 2006 10:08 AM (quFAl)
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Y'know, as a Briton,it really pisses me off when these people are described as "British". They aint. Syed Whatsit Doodah is NOT a British name. It's not Scottish, I'm damn sure it isn't English and I'm tolerably certain that it isn't Welsh. And Babar, as we all know, is an elephant.
String the buggers up and lets have done with it. And yes, I have been drinking - it's my right as a free born Englishman to get rat arsed and start ranting.
P.S. - Ansar; I'm glad you (the authorities) got the bastard who leaked the documents. Good drills.
Posted by: Kevin at July 20, 2006 10:08 AM (quFAl)
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Apologies for double post; the computer went a bit wobbly for a minute there, I'm not quite sure how it happened.
Toodle pip,
Posted by: Kevin at July 20, 2006 10:10 AM (quFAl)
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It's ok, Kevin, we have the same bunch of asswipes here in the US. And they will have to be dealt with here as well. The sooner the better, as far as I'm concerned.
Posted by: jesusland joe at July 20, 2006 10:35 AM (rUyw4)
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Lets stop calling the muslim, middle easterns British. They are not British. They are immigrants of a different race and shouldn't even be in Britian.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 20, 2006 11:48 AM (TLSvi)
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Kevin: Sorry to jump on your rant. I posted mine before reading your post. At least you know someone agrees with you. I hate it when they refer to these middleeastern scum as American. It's more true here than in your country as we are not a race as the Brits are.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 20, 2006 11:52 AM (TLSvi)
Hope the Poles didn't put panties on Salas head to get that info from him.
Posted by: mrclark at July 13, 2006 05:33 PM (/A5uJ)
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Many contend that the Baath party will rise again. They have the experience and know how in the political arena. Just waiting for us to leave.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 13, 2006 05:47 PM (0UFK+)
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The Baathist party in Iraq supported an Iranian terrorist group knows as the Mujahedin-e-Khalq. Last time I checked this was known as the war on TERRORISM and not just al-Qaeda.
Posted by: Some Dude at July 14, 2006 12:41 PM (llVQM)
Western Union Doesn't Like Mohammed
...or Hussein, or Ahmed.
Western Union is cooperating with the government to stop terror financing.
"Western Union told me that if I send money to Sahir Mohammed, the money will be blocked because of his name," said 36-year-old Abdul Rahman Maruthayil, who later sent the money through UAE Exchange, a Dubai-based money transfer service.
In a similar case, Pakistani Qadir Khan said Western Union blocked his attempt this month to wire money to his brother Mohammed for a cataract operation.
"Every Mohammed is a terrorist now?" Khan asked.
Yeah, maybe the net is being cast a bit wide...the money is released when the sender and recipient provide IDs showing they are not a list of suspected terrorists.
And yes, I do get stopped every time I try to fly.
Posted by: Fred Fry at July 06, 2006 09:52 PM (/FuYe)
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Mohammed is the name given to the prophet of God. These people are not the prophet of God so why do they have his name? It's time Muslims stop insulting God by giving the name of his prophet to ordinary men.
Posted by: seek the trruth at July 07, 2006 08:44 AM (eTFXv)
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Yes, cause there are no people named Jesus or anything.
Posted by: Steve at July 07, 2006 08:39 PM (5zxY/)
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Mohammed is the name of a murdering, psychopathic, nutcase pedophile who unleashed one of the greatest plagues humanity has ever known. Islam and all its adherents should be wiped from the face of the earth.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 09, 2006 09:50 AM (v3I+x)
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ARE YOU THE BIGGEST RETARD OR WHAT, christians are the MOST psyochopathic retards i have ever seen muslims rule the world and always will fuking christians.....
Posted by: samim at July 17, 2006 11:40 PM (9fN0G)
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samim is right you fuking christians next time you post a message like that you will fucking burn in hell...........
Terrorists Were Repulsed by Canada
From the Globe and Mail:
More than anything, Zakaria Amara wanted to serve God. But it was never easy, especially not while living in Canada.
During the summer of 2004, the then-18-year-old felt disgusted by women who were immodestly dressed. For the same reason, he couldn't watch television. He and his wife Nada Farooq stopped going to movies. One of his devout friends in England sent him a desperate e-mail asking for help in beating an addiction to pornography.
Instead of trying to kill Canadians, blow shit up and behead the prime ministrer, why didn't they just return to their home countries? As I have said before, if radical Muslims don't like their new countries, they are free to return to the authoritarian, theocratic hell-holes where they were born. There is no reason to try to turn the West into the places they left.
Meanwhile, an Ontario group says Islamophobia is the real problem because a number of windows were broken in a mosque after the 17 Muslims were arrested for the plot.
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I've never heard a good answer to the question, "Why are muslims in The West?" There is really no good reason. The West is not their culture, not their values, not their language, and certainly not their religion. And yet, they come here and, like you said, try to turn OUR lands into what they left behind. Of course we know the reason.. to spead their disease around the world. They're a little short on patience though. They've tipped their hand too early. They needed to wait about another 50 years until their numbers were up, and then start with the demands and the rallies and the demonstrations. Dumbasses.
Posted by: Richard at July 01, 2006 10:46 AM (7KF8r)
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Because people with a muslim supremacy complex make for very poor guests. Imagine one of these guys being invited to dinner and then criticizing and attacking his host. The food is flavorless, the furniture is uncomfortable, your daughters are sluts. Naturally, you'd ask him to get the hell out. But they won't leave. They're pretty much here to stay. It's you, the host, that must adapt to your guest now. Welcome to the Leftwing multi-culti dystopia.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at July 01, 2006 11:42 AM (8e/V4)
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Islam is a disease and muslims are the plague rats that carry it. I dare anyone to refute that statement.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 01, 2006 07:05 PM (v3I+x)
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I never refute the truth.
Right on Jesusland. I still fail to understand why the west allows the buggering idiots to immigrate. Just doesn't make sense. Does anyone out there think we need to add to our 300 million people?
Like we don't have enough problems to the minorites allready here. CRAZY!!!!
Blame in all on the friggin liberals.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 02, 2006 09:10 AM (N2Rg1)
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It's all New Age man. False god worship fits in. It is you nasty Christians out there with your hate speech that are causing all the problems. Get on the Starship baby.
Posted by: Leatherneck at July 03, 2006 10:02 PM (D2g/j)
Posted by: greyrooster at July 04, 2006 12:05 AM (ofp0L)
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Why they don't go back to their own countries? Simple. No welfare when they get off the boat. In Canada they are on the dole in days. Mulims insist we should be like them.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 07, 2006 08:17 PM (BjPXu)
SCOTUS Rules Against Bush
The Supreme Court ruled 5-3 against the administration in the Hamdan case. Terrorists can not be tried by special military commissions.
The Court expressly declared that it was not questioning the government’s power to hold Salim Ahmed Hamdan “for the duration of active hostilities” to prevent harm to innocent civilians. But, it said, “in undertaking to try Hamdan and subject him to criminal punishment, the Executive is bound to comply with the Rule of Law that prevails in this jurisdiction.”...
The Court’s conclusion … “ultimately rests upon a single ground: Congress has not issued the Executive a ‘blank check.’… Indeed, Congress has denied the President the legislative authority to create military commissions of the kind at issue here. Nothing prevents the President from returning to Congress to seek the authority he believes necessary.“
In short, holding terrorists at Gitmo or other detention facilities is allowed. However, Congress has not authorized the administration to create special commissions to try the detainees for war crimes. If Congress creates the law, Bush can create the commissions. Until then, either a) no trials, b) court martials or c) criminal prosecution in criminal courts must be used.
The Court appears to have held that Common Article 3 of Geneva aplies to the conflict against Al Qaeda. That is the HUGE part of today’s ruling. The commissions are the least of it. This basically resolves the debate about interrogation techniques, because Common Article 3 provides that detained persons “shall in all circumstances be treated humanely,” and that “
o this end,” certain specified acts “are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever”—including “cruel treatment and torture,” and “outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment.” This standard, not limited to the restrictions of the due process clause, is much more restrictive than even the McCain Amendment.
This part of the ruling is a serious handicap to intelligence gathering, but not insurmountable. It does allow the ACLU and Amnesty Intl to play games in the media and courts with a comfortable SC ruling to rest their arguments on, but it may have come to late to have real impact on the War.
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This war (n.b. small"w") will be decided not by firepower by "hearts and minds".I hope that you are not correct with your view that this ruling "may have come to late to have real impact on this War"
Posted by: John RYAN at June 29, 2006 12:15 PM (TcoRJ)
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And I hope the administration is not correct with its view that the "war" will be "long."
Posted by: Michael Hampton at June 29, 2006 12:28 PM (FVbj6)
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I disagree totally with your analysis. The entire decision says basically one thing, that if the US giovernment wants to "try" these individuals they have to do it in a civil court. They is no hinderance whatsoever upon holding them as prisoners of war until the end of time.
BTW Marty Lederman is not my first choice for an unbiased clear thinking view of this decision.....not by a long shot.
Posted by: traderrob at June 29, 2006 12:29 PM (3al54)
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Is sending them back to the toilet the were captured in an option? I hear most fear that more than an American prison.
Posted by: Danny Carlton at June 29, 2006 01:38 PM (s+57l)
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Danny, I'm sure you are joking. Right? The few men we have heard speak after their release are so grateful to be back in Afghanistan or Pakistan or Yemen or Morocco, etc.
This ruling just goes by the Constitution. It is the Congress, and not the president, who establishes all courts beneath the Sup. Court. Military tribunals that use established rules are already set up. The new courts need not be civilian in nature, they just need to be authorized by Congress. This is a slap in the face to Bush's assertion of executive power, and it was so unnecessary for him to assert it. If he has simply ASKED Congress to set up tribunals, they would have.
Also, the torture ruling probably will not affect our security, since most experts agree that torture is an ineffective way to get info. The Susskind book lays out how we tortured a mentally ill man into giving bad intel, that helped support the invasion of Iraq. Thank God the Supreme Court injected some dignity, sanity, and humanity into the system.
It is a great day to be an American. I have been telling my foreign friends for months don't lose all faith in America because of Bush, the Supreme Court will not fail to stop some of this.
Posted by: jd at June 29, 2006 02:15 PM (aqTJB)
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You're dead wrong jd. The court did not rely on "constitutional" considerations in it's ruling but rather "proceedural"
SB basically said take it to the legislature and have them "fix it".
Posted by: traderrob at June 29, 2006 02:57 PM (3al54)
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Rob--are you suggesting that something cannot at once be procedural as well as constitutional? In fact, the constitutional rulings of the SC have OFTEN been procedural in form, constitutional in source. Marbury v. Madison is one, the case that established Judicial Review.
Posted by: jd at June 29, 2006 03:21 PM (aqTJB)
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Rob--you may be confusing section III of Stevens ruling with earlier parts. Although it concludes in a seemingly procedural fashion, the heart of this is a constitutional ruling that the DTA did not limit Hamdan's ability to challenge the nature of the military commissions. Why? Because these commissions were not set up in a constitutional way. What you call SCOTUS telling Bush to "fix it" in Congress is in fact a complex argument grounded in the constitutional principle of separation of powers. The president cannot, outside emergency martial law situations, simply establish military courts that operate under new rules of evidence and proceedings. He can try POWs in existing military courts, under the UCMJ established by Congress. But he cannot make up new rules on the fly. That sounds procedural, but it is at the core, constitutional.
Posted by: jd at June 29, 2006 03:39 PM (aqTJB)
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The long quote in section IV from ex parte Milligan makes this point clearly:
“The power to make the necessary laws is in Congress; the power to execute in the President. Both powers imply many subordinate and auxiliary powers.Each includes all authorities essential to its due exercise. But neither can the President, in war more than in peace, intrude upon the proper authority of Congress, nor Congress upon the proper authority of thePresident. . . . Congress cannot direct the conduct of campaigns, nor can the President, or any commander under him, without the sanction of Congress, institute tribunals for the trial and punishment of offences, either of soldiers or civilians, unless in cases of a controlling necessity, which justifies what it compels, or at least insures acts of indemnity from the justice of the legislature.â€
That's not procedural, that's SOP.
Posted by: jd at June 29, 2006 03:42 PM (aqTJB)
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Not comparable. The court stated that their was nothing inherently wrong with military tribunals only that it was Congress who must devise them. Which btw, will happen, it's a political neccessity.
Posted by: traderrob at June 29, 2006 04:45 PM (3al54)
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I am sure it will be a long war. When we clean up one hellhole, they crawl out of a new one. Iraq is being cleaned up, so they start new fighting in Afghanistan, Somalia, the horn of Africa.
It will take time to convince Muslims that Islamism is a dead cause, just as it took decades to convince the world Communism was wrong.
Remember, 15% of British Muslims support the Jihadis and suicide attacks.
Posted by: Chris at June 29, 2006 11:27 PM (5ve1C)
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Seriously, you wouldn't believe the size of the shit I just took. It was the size of a dog's head.
Posted by: brad at June 29, 2006 11:32 PM (qWiph)
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This ruling was about separation of powers- And SCOTUS's GROSS violation of separation of powers.
Specifically- Where in the Constitution is SCOTUS granted the power to decide "military necessity?" The President is Commander in Chief.
Where is SCOTUS empowered to violate the laws that it is subject to? Congress CLEARLY stated that SCOTUS had no jurisdiction to rule on Habeas Corpus petitions from those interred at GITMO, including those cases that were pending at the time DTA was passed. Congress has the constitutional authority to pass laws which restrict the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court. Congress knew this case to be included in the scope of DTA as it was argued about during floor debates.
The only example of separation of powers we have here is Judiciary trampling the Legislative and Executive branches constitutional authority.
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Doesn't bother me at all. In fact - think positively!
Take a handful of the most hardcore jihadis down there - bring them stateside and give them their "day in court". Lets bring in the cameras and televise it too! Should be great theater! With great ratings!!! Let the American people see the face of the enemy and hear them speak!!!
And lets do it just prior to the elections! Yeah baby!
Think of the potential fun and commentary! All their defenders can proundly show themselves on TV to the masses!
Imagine - the witnesses and documentation presented against will be presented by US military personnel! And their ACLU lawyers and friends can attack them and their credibility on national TV - to a hugh audience - prior to the elections!!!
Oh I'm lovin' this! guees you all can figure where I'm going with it. Karl Rove - if you read this - hondo's looking for a job!
Posted by: hondo at June 30, 2006 06:41 AM (MVgHp)
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I'm not a lawyer - and don't pretend to now jack about the law like so many here on both sides of the issue.
But I know politics - and this (gitmo) became a political issue and I say so be it - play it as such.
A few show trials could prove very interesting.
Posted by: hondo at June 30, 2006 07:00 AM (MVgHp)
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Well, I know more than a bit about constitutional law, and hondo, you ain't getting the show trials you want. (altho I agree with you that it would help your side politically if it happened--you know your gut-level politics). What is going to happen, as Rob anticipates, is that Congress is going to write rules for a military commission, with more evidentiary protections for the accused, and a fairer appeal process. (the other option would be to simply go by UCMJ).
But Rob--I still don't understand why you believe this isn't a constitutional ruling. This is firmly grounded in Article I and II of the Constitution. The dissent accuses the majority of misreading the constitution. You aren't disagreeing just with me--you are disagreeing with Scalia! With Thomas!
You might as well say that the U.S. Steel Case was "procedural and not constitutional". Face facts--Bush's legal arguments about the breadth and nature of executive power just got dealt a big ol' smackdown by 5 justices of the SCOTUS. Putting your fingers in your ear and repeating "procedural not constitutional" doesn't change that fact.
Posted by: jd at June 30, 2006 07:40 AM (DQYHA)
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Nah! I'm with the libs, left, ACLU and all the others on this. I want an upfront, buy the book, wide-open civil courtroom trial! TELEVISED! Can't do all 450 at once - let's just schedule a few special cases to start!
I don't have a problem with this - do you?
You can be on the dream team - I'll even give you all the time alone you want unsupervised with your clients.
AT THIS POINT, NONE OF ALL THIS IS ABOUT THE LAW - IT IS ALL ABOUT POLITICS!
Posted by: hondo at June 30, 2006 09:39 AM (MVgHp)
BERLIN (AP) - An Iraqi man has been arrested in Germany on suspicion he transferred money to a radical Islamic group in Iraq linked to al-Qaida, prosecutors said Wednesday.
The 36-year-old man, identified only as Burhan B., was arrested Monday at Frankfurt's airport. A federal judge ordered him to remain in custody Tuesday on suspicion of supporting a foreign terrorist organization and violating German export laws, federal prosecutors said in a statement.
They said the suspect was in contact with a man, identified only as Ata A.R., accused of playing a central role in the terror group Ansar al-Islam's European network. Ata A.R. is due to go on trial in Stuttgart next week as the alleged ringleader of a December 2004 plot to kill then-Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi during a visit to Germany.
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Three prisoners at the detention facility in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have hanged themselves in what is being called a "planned event," the U.S. military has said.
They are the first confirmed deaths at the compound. Prisoners have attempted suicide in the past.
"Two Saudis and one Yemeni, each located in Camp 1, were found unresponsive and not breathing in their cells by guards," said a statement issued by Joint Task Force-Guantanamo on Saturday.
According to Rear Adm. Harry Harris, commander of Joint Task Force-Guantanamo, there is a mythical belief that Guantanamo would be shut down if three detainees died. As a result, the suicides were planned, not spontaneous.
Human rights advocates are eagerly jumping on the incident to bolster their claims that America is bad and President Bush is evil. Expect their assertions to be repeatedly emphasized by the generally complicit mainstream media.
My take on the situation is that fanatics killing themselves is not, at all, an unusual event. And, in all candor, I'd much rather fanatics commit suicide in a cell as opposed to a bus or restaurant crowded with innocents.
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For the Liberals amongst us, don't forget these men would have willingly committed suicide amongst you, and your whole family in a shopping mall, with his explosive vest too -- their incarceration is one of the barriers that stops that happening.
Don't let that stop you wasting a pack of Kleenex on the scum non-the-less...
Posted by: davec at June 11, 2006 01:44 AM (CcXvt)
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Wouldn't it just be simpler if no one committed suicide? So what is the acid test for a fanatic? Is it simply having a room at the Gitmo Hotel? Put yourself in the same situation, held indefinitely, and tell us how long it would take for you to go "fanatic." Do you honestly believe that every one of the detainees there at Gitmo are guilty? Shall we ignore the evidence that people were sold as terrorists and incarcerated as enemy combatants with no hope of a fair trial? The only true innocents are the children. The rest of us are guilty by degrees. The only way to cleanse the stain of guilt is to stand up for justice and put down fearmongering.
Posted by: DCO at June 11, 2006 01:55 AM (ht8Md)
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What I can't quite figure out is why the U.S. military is calling the suicides an "act of war." Huh?
Posted by: Michael Hampton at June 11, 2006 02:18 AM (FVbj6)
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Oh look, it's the "they're just "oppressed brown people™", forced into terrorism by the evil U.S" defence.
We all know before the U.S captured them, these two Saudi's and the Yemeni were growing Alfalfa, drinking tea and playing chess while flying kites in Afghanistan right?
Two of the most radical, Jihadi nations, nationals were detained on the battlefield, and you want to sing Kum Ba Yah and give em a hug -- how totally predictable.
Posted by: davec at June 11, 2006 02:20 AM (CcXvt)
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One of lesser know dangers of drug use is making statements of unbelievable foolishness to the media. For example:
William Goodman from the New York-based Center for
Constitutional Rights told AFP news agency the men were
"heroes for those of us who believe in basic American
values of justice, fairness and democracy".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5068606.stm
Posted by: Capp at June 11, 2006 02:29 AM (XgLFc)
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Heroes? Oh they're just pissed because we don't believe anybody in Guantanamo should get a day in court. You can ignore them.
Posted by: Michael Hampton at June 11, 2006 02:49 AM (FVbj6)
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Can't we issue them six feet of rope that no US military personnel are permitted to touch without gloves and an honor guard -- sort of like their Korans?
And can't we call any attempt to interfere with the use of the rope to make a noose -- or to cut them down -- a crime against humanity?
After a week or two we could close Gitmo because there would be no more prisonerst there -- wouldn't that make the libs and the "world community" orgasmicly happy?
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Three today, who knows, maybe the rest tomorrow. Can we hope that the entire arab world will commit suicide by year's end?
Posted by: Ernie Oporto at June 11, 2006 06:50 AM (WvUov)
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How dare they even try to keep these men from committing suicide? They have rights you know.[/sarcasm]
DCO, you really ought to get out more often. Around 200 Gitmo detainees have been released. Some returned to the battle field and some of those were swept up again and returned to detainment. Sounds to me like we've got a lot of pretty guilty people still there. "Put yourself in the same situation, held indefinitely, and tell us how long it would take for you to go "fanatic."" Oh, please. You're using the base assumption that they're innocent. Something I don't know and neither do you. So all your righteous indignation is just empty rhetoric. How much "justice" do you think you'd get from these people you're so ready to stand up for?
Posted by: Oyster at June 11, 2006 07:05 AM (YudAC)
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Well there willingness to commit suicide by strangulation certainly seems to diminish the fear the capital punishment is thought to have as a determent.
Posted by: john ryan at June 11, 2006 07:14 AM (TcoRJ)
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Poor jihadis. They didn't get to kill any infidels in the process. No virgins for you!
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at June 11, 2006 07:58 AM (8e/V4)
Posted by: greyrooster at June 11, 2006 08:03 AM (2/7WJ)
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Yes John, capital punishment is not a deterrent........to terrorists - people who have been convinced that dying is the best thing that they can do. Quite different to a typical, garden variety so to speak murderer who usually doesn't hold such beliefs. So execution may not be a deterrent to terrorism, but it is an efficient means of disposal of such scum.
Posted by: Graeme at June 11, 2006 08:05 AM (QO12b)
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Graeme your ideas are so much aligned with those of the terrorists, scum=infiels so it is OK to kill execute them. And as to the deterent effec of ca[ital punishmentt on preventing murder many people do not think that has ever been proved.
Posted by: john ryan at June 11, 2006 11:30 AM (TcoRJ)
Posted by: Oyster at June 11, 2006 11:46 AM (YudAC)
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John:
You act surprised that death would not be a determent for people who are willing to die for their cause, either by explosive vest or on the battlefield.
However I am disappointed in the Guantanamo situation too, but most likely for different reasons than yourself. You see, I believe if anyone captured is not a member of the Taliban, that were captured not wearing a uniform that distinguished them from Civilians they should already have been tried and executed under a military tribuneral.
Hiding amongst Civilians while conducting battle against our forces is not only cowardly, but leads to collateral damage to Civilians who are inevitably injured or killed while being used as shields by unidentifiable jihadi's, it also means our own soldiers are killed while taking measures to avoid wounding or killing Civilians, consider Sgt. Ben Morton who was killed in Mosul, who's team avoided using percussion grenades when entering Civilian homes because they can kill children there is no doubt using a percussion grenade would have saved his life.
These are the people the Left wants to put on Trial and put in prison, so they can spend time in Jail while members of our own armed forces, and Civilians lay in their graves because of their cowardly method of warfare?
Posted by: davec at June 11, 2006 12:07 PM (CcXvt)
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Its called " bleeding " not Geneva convention from our enemies viscous spiritual and psychological standpoint. They capture one of our men, and every time commit unbelievable and unspeakable surgery upon them. They keep them alive through the process to jeer and yell and deficate upon them. Not sometimes. Everytime. Then as is their ritualistic custom they mercifully behead them. " Bleeding " was very present in Viet Nam and many other tortures not only to our boys but to their own people. But the far left liberal press chooses not to cover it.Instead they magnify in the minds of the American people and the world; as Aljezera, the enemies rights to full Geneva convention privledges and justice as if they are United States citizens. Perhaps citizenship is what they will ask for these ruthless warlords next; anything is possible in their liberal agenda.
Posted by: william copenhaver at June 11, 2006 02:55 PM (ENoLU)
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Maybe we can get O'Reilly to swing by there once a week. That way we can all get what we want.
I do get out now and then but thanks for the invite. I'm aware that some detainees have been released. I'm not surprised that some of them would be caught and returned to prison. What happened to justice for all? You don't think that some of them were just pissed off enought to go back to battle? What a way for us to recruit for the terrorists. As for innocence I'm glad I don't have to be the judge. We still have to uphold the standard of law and not let our emotions run away from us. Innocent until proven guilty. We become as bad as the terrorists if we let this standard slip. Psalms 23:4 will tell you to whom I look for justice.
Posted by: DCO at June 11, 2006 11:15 PM (ht8Md)
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DCO, all your posturing and humanitarianism does not change the fact that this is not just an Elliot Ness contingent looking for hooch smugglers and handing them over to the government to try and incarcerate. It's a war. And I know that's hard for you to understand, but it's, let's just say, different.
Posted by: Oyster at June 12, 2006 06:15 AM (YudAC)
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To bad it was only three. Put me in charge and there will be more.
Posted by: greyrooster at June 12, 2006 10:41 AM (fDZgg)
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Greyrooster, I doubt anyone will ever put you in charge of anything.
Posted by: Callemasiseeum at June 12, 2006 02:33 PM (UHKaK)
SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico - More Guantanamo Bay detainees protesting their indefinite confinement joined a hunger strike, raising the number of those refusing food to 89 from 75, the U.S. military said Thursday. Six of the hunger strikers at the isolated U.S. naval base in southeast Cuba were being force-fed, said Navy Cmdr. Robert Durand.
Force feedings? Why? Haven't they heard that starvation is euphoria? Besides, suicide by starvation doesn't blow up 20 other people, and I'm not totally sure, but I don't think it gets anyone a virgin in Paradise.
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Why in the World would we force feed these pieces of garbage and help them live? Let the bastards starve to death. Then we will all be happy, and think of the money it would save. Geez, this crap gets stranger by the minute.
Next thing you know we'll be releasing the bastards right here in the US.
Posted by: jesusland joe at June 01, 2006 12:09 PM (rUyw4)
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I feel like I'm in the twilight zone. These are enemy combatants taken on a field of battle out of uniform. Force feeding? How about hanging?
Posted by: Keith at June 01, 2006 12:35 PM (cgLD7)
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Thats probably because the US government doesn't want to be seen taking sides - not even its own.
Ho-hum, who needs to win elections when liberals already taught the military and schools about what type of morality is appropriate?
Posted by: MiB at June 01, 2006 01:26 PM (RwDCC)
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when the soviets were forcefeeding prisoners (they called them terrorists sometimes), Ronald Reagan told them that no civilized nation would do such things. Here is the account of one former Soviet prisoner, now an American, who says that we should stop doing it in Gitmo:
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In 1971, while in Lefortovo prison in Moscow (the central KGB interrogation jail), I went on a hunger strike demanding a defense lawyer of my choice (the KGB wanted its trusted lawyer to be assigned instead). The moment was most inconvenient for my captors because my case was due in court, and they had no time to spare. So, to break me down, they started force-feeding me in a very unusual manner -- through my nostrils. About a dozen guards led me from my cell to the medical unit. There they straitjacketed me, tied me to a bed, and sat on my legs so that I would not jerk. The others held my shoulders and my head while a doctor was pushing the feeding tube into my nostril.
The feeding pipe was thick, thicker than my nostril, and would not go in. Blood came gushing out of my nose and tears down my cheeks, but they kept pushing until the cartilages cracked. I guess I would have screamed if I could, but I could not with the pipe in my throat. I could breathe neither in nor out at first; I wheezed like a drowning man -- my lungs felt ready to burst. The doctor also seemed ready to burst into tears, but she kept shoving the pipe farther and farther down. Only when it reached my stomach could I resume breathing, carefully. Then she poured some slop through a funnel into the pipe that would choke me if it came back up. They held me down for another half-hour so that the liquid was absorbed by my stomach and could not be vomited back, and then began to pull the pipe out bit by bit. . . . Grrrr. There had just been time for everything to start healing during the night when they came back in the morning and did it all over again, for 10 days, when the guards could stand it no longer. As it happened, it was a Sunday and no bosses were around. They surrounded the doctor: "Hey, listen, let him drink it straight from the bowl, let him sip it. It'll be quicker for you, too, you silly old fool." The doctor was in tears: "Do you think I want to go to jail because of you lot? No, I can't do that. . . . " And so they stood over my body, cursing each other, with bloody bubbles coming out of my nose. On the 12th day, the authorities surrendered; they had run out of time. I had gotten my lawyer, but neither the doctor nor those guards could ever look me in the eye again.
Today, when the White House lawyers seem preoccupied with contriving a way to stem the flow of possible lawsuits from former detainees, I strongly recommend that they think about another flood of suits, from the men and women in your armed services or the CIA agents who have been or will be engaged in CID practices. Our rich experience in Russia has shown that many will become alcoholics or drug addicts, violent criminals or, at the very least, despotic and abusive fathers and mothers.
Posted by: jd at June 01, 2006 01:51 PM (aqTJB)
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You can read the whole thing at:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/17/AR2005121700018.html
please, people that are calling for hanging those at Gitmo--many of the people held there have been shown to be entirely innocent--some having no connection to Al Qaeda or the Taliban in the slightest, they were just sold to our troops by Pakistanis or Afghan warlords wanting to make a buck. The Uighurs that are held there are people I would support--they are fighting the chinese communists, to get their country back, and their religious freedom. Imagine, just for a moment, that you had been arrested four years ago by a foreign country, for a crime of which you were innocent. Denied access to your own attorneys, or to any legal process, for months, you are then allowed a process below international legal standards, in which you still have not had a chance to establish your innocence. After four years away from home and family...I might go on a hunger strike. What other choice do they have?
I think some of the people at gitmo belong there. I think some of them don't. The government has admitted as much. That's why we made a terrible mistake in not agreeing to international norms.
Reagan was just bullshitting about force feeding in the Soviet Union. He was playing politics. There's NOTHING inhumane about keeping people alive. It's no more inhumane than preventing someone from jumping off a bridge.
If there are innocent folks in Guantanamo, big deal. There are innocent people wrongly imprisoned in every prison on the planet. You want all those prisons abolished too? SOL as they say. Wrong plance, wrong time. We need Guantanamo, period. Otherwise what do you suggest we do with all those prisoners? It's already been confirmed that people we've released have turned around and attacked us. So excuse me if I don't take prisoners claiming to be innocent at their word.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at June 01, 2006 02:59 PM (8e/V4)
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I think its pretty inhumane to keep someone from jumping off a bridge.
Posted by: MiB at June 01, 2006 03:05 PM (RwDCC)
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>>>I think its pretty inhumane to keep someone from jumping off a bridge.
Because you are not well in the brain.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at June 01, 2006 03:26 PM (8e/V4)
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Shhould people be able to decide for themselves to have or not to have medical tratment ?
Posted by: john ryan at June 01, 2006 03:28 PM (TcoRJ)
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at June 01, 2006 03:29 PM (8e/V4)
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So, Carlos, its wrong for someone to do with their life as they wish, so long as it does not harm someone else?
I can see the argument that they're prisoners and they might want to be kept alive for information purposes or whatever, but your line of argument that keeping someone alive against their wishes is moral is tripe.
Posted by: MiB at June 01, 2006 03:32 PM (RwDCC)
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I believe that's the spirit of our constitution and the declaration of independence--relax, innocent people are held by governments and falsely charged with crimes all over the world, big deal.
Uh, no.
I also think you are guilty of the logical fallacy of the false dichotomy. If the only choices were, let everyone go or have gitmo as it is currently created, then yes, I think I'd go for gitmo. But the choices are not that binary. We could have had a system of imprisonment that met international standards, the kind Colin Powell and the Pentagon counsel wanted, the kind we have had in previous wars.
If you don't think Ronald Reagan believed, deeply and morally, in the universal nature of human freedom, and he was just playing politics with his campaigns on behalf of Soviet refuseniks, then you have a far more cynical view of Reagan than most leftists. Love him or hate him, Reagan was a man for whom principles mattered. One of those principles was human freedom. I differed with him on a number of issues, even back when I was a Republican, but in reading a number of bios of the man, and bios of those who knew him, I'm convinced he cared about ideas and principles more than you give him credit for.
If you read the account of what force feeding is like, I think you'll find it pretty inhumane. I hope and pray we are marginally more humane, but it is very difficult to feed someone against their will without treating them brutally.
Why shouldn't we take the same position as the British who held Bobby Sands?
whatever the "spirit" of the Constitution might be, it doesn't guarantee jack shiite for enemy combatants who were taking potshots at our GIs and captured on the battlefield. The Constitution is pretty much silent on that, don't you agree?
See, here's where Jaaysus could have come in. Your precious Leftwing has basically killed him, as well as Biblical morality in general, and you no longer have any moral authority to appeal to. lol! All you have now is your "feelings". But just because you Libs "feel" it's wrong doesn't make it wrong. It'a all relative now! Welcome to Liberal dystopia.
So here's the situation. 1) the Constitution is silent, 2) you'll sound like utter fools trying to appeal to any kind of Biblical morality argument, and 3) Lib "feelings" are irrelevant to us. So now you got nothin. lol! Do you see now what Lefties have wrought?
In previous wars we were fighting other countries, with rules of engagement, who could be make to pay if they violated their agreements of reciprocity. Here we are fighting ghosts who play by no rules whatsoever-- none-- Who would set off a nuke in downtown Manhattan the day after we were forced to release them for lack of evidcence, and they'd detonate that nuke with not even the slightest hesitation.
If Reagan was a man of principle as you say, he was still a man. The only Man who's word is Law is Jaysus, and you can't even appeal to him because you killed him.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at June 01, 2006 03:51 PM (8e/V4)
Ok, I'll admit that was a bizarre rant. Just having a bit of fun, hehe! (though it wasn't 100% tongue in cheek).
You do make some powerful arguments, I'll admit. But I still stand by my response about the Constitution being silent, and the GWOT being unique compared to other wars. We simply can't treat them like regular POWs for the reasons I've stated. Reagan does carry weight for me, but I still don't see it.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at June 01, 2006 04:09 PM (8e/V4)
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And here it was me thinking the Romans killed Jaysus, or he couldn't be killed at all. If he is the savior, nothing as feeble as American liberalism or secularism could kill him. (seculars make up less then 15% of America).
Sorry, my constitutional reference was obscure: it was in response to the statement that, well, who cares if some of them are innocent, there are innocents in all jails, do you want to abolish all prisons? That statement would have made Thomas Jefferson puke for days. I don't believe that detainees in Gitmo have rights under the constitution--but I believe the constitution demands that our government abide by the treaties it signed (see Missouri v. Holland).
You may think this is the first time we have dealt with an enemy that didn't follow the rule of war. But you'd be wrong. The Japanese violated most of 'em, including attacking civilians, disguising as civilians, using suicide attackers, forcing POWs to be medical guinea pigs (great novel on this--the Sea and Poison), killing POWs, etc etc. We fought them with tremendous ferocity, and occasional abuses--but, with the noted exception of internment domestically, we did not do anything like Gitmo. (and the excuse for internment was NOT that they violated the rules of war--see Korematsu v. US)
so if we maintained the rule of law on the battlefield against the Japanese and the Nazis, we surely can against these bastards.
Also, the Constitution is NOT silent on who has the right to set up courts inferior to the SC. And it ain't the prez.
I'm opposed to Gitmo for the same reason Powell and many professional military are: it's bad policy, and bad ethics. It will (probably already has) resulted in the deaths of many Americans. it certainly fuels hatred for us all over the world, and loses us allies we desperately need. So it's wrong, and it's stupid and it's immoral. Other than that, it's a great policy.
Posted by: jd at June 01, 2006 04:41 PM (aqTJB)
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Jd:
Maybe I'm confused , but I thought the whole point of imprisoning enemy combatants in Gitmo is to keep them off the field of battle, until they can be rendered back to their country of origin at the end of the War.
We have not left either arenas, so why would we want to let these people back into the fight?
How are you suggesting the U.S should be doing this?
Posted by: davec at June 01, 2006 07:25 PM (CcXvt)
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Hmmmm, what to do? These turds refuse our generous hospitality at a Caribbean resort?
I've got a few ideas.
1. Maybe a few of you remember that the US Navy lost its training area at Vieques Island in Puerto Rico? We used it for big caliber target practice. Why not use these turds, suitably proped up on a buoy out in the ocean as JDAM practice or practice for the big gun navy?
2. Hurricane season is coming fast, instead of sending our own crews into the eye of the storm, why not strap these turds on rafts and anchor them in the path of a Hurricane? Good for science, good for our own crews.
3. There's a couple down there that I'd like to use for my next shark hunting trip. Big sharks too. No itty bitty chum will do, need the big, 6 footer size for that.
Posted by: changehappens at June 01, 2006 08:17 PM (hGibF)
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The way to a jihadi's heart is through his sternum. Preferably with something large and sharp.
Posted by: MegaTroopX at June 01, 2006 08:49 PM (v5fbO)
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I'm suggesting: from the start, you say that you will abide by Geneva. You give access to the IRC, as required by international norms (we bitch like hell when other countries don't do this). You establish military tribunals following normal rules of military justice, not ones established special for this purpose. You have a rapid process of case review (ours did not really begin until three years of imprisonment were well underway--and we have admitted that almost 100 people have been wrongfully imprisoned--and if you think we have found all of them, I have a bridge to sell you). We don't let Rummy lower the standards of interogation thru the Bybee memo. We don't let Miller run the camp and export those illegal practices to Abu. We follow what every professional concludes--torture doesn't work, it just hurts the torturer.
We have a gitmo. We just don't have THIS gitmo.
And those of you casually advocating killing the innocent along with the guilty: please distinguish this from terrorism in a moral sense. Isn't what we object to in terrorism that they kill innocents? That's what you are advocating. I guess it's wrong when they do it, not when we do? Because you can't call these executions you are getting erections about "collateral damage".
Posted by: jd at June 01, 2006 09:43 PM (JJJx/)
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JD, in every case, you need to break a few eggs to make an omlet. Same for winning a war.
Its a great sorrow that war has innocent victims. But no war has ever been won by paralysis. Direct action against our enemies is a prerequisite for winning. Our enemies reside in the MiddleEast and its a tragedy that sometimes innocents are swept up in the conflict. So do we suck our thumb and stop attacking our enemies? Sure we do, if we want to lose. War is and always will be aweful. Especially to the losers. Do you want to lose?
Posted by: changehappens at June 01, 2006 10:21 PM (hGibF)
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What articles of the Geneva Convention are you referencing, the third? treatment of Prisoners of War? how many of the Gitmo prisoners qualify as P.O.W's what about the ones who do not, what rights do you think should extend to them?
Define torture? are we discussing water-boarding, sleep depravation, white noise / bright light exposure, temprature change et al -- or the traditional sense: cutting, burning, crushing etc? I agree with the former, not the latter.
Posted by: davec at June 01, 2006 11:01 PM (CcXvt)
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Actually, our own government used to define many of the practices it now permits as "torture" when other countries did them.
One can make a legalistic argument that the Geneva convention doesn't apply to some of them (not all, for some were Taliban and garbed as such). I've seen arguments on both sides of that and it is a highly technical legal question. But I'm with Colin Powell--whether or not they legally qualify, we should have said from the start that we would treat them that way, because it was good policy and good PR.
And as for collateral damage and wanting to lose: on the battlefield, I absolutely accept the grave and regrettable necessity of collateral damage. At Abu, at Gitmo, there is no need to do so, and I simply won't.
Posted by: jd at June 02, 2006 08:05 AM (aqTJB)
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Terrorists shuld not be force fed. They should be pissed on. Just like John Ryan.
Posted by: greyrooster at June 06, 2006 07:10 AM (PV2nq)
Surviving Beslan Terrorist Sentenced to Die
He won’t be surviving very long if a “moratorium" on executions is lifted. Nurpashi Kulayev was sentenced to die for his role in the siege of school which ended in the deaths of the rest of the terrorists and 300+ school children and teachers. At the very least he will rot for the rest of his life.
Euronews: The only man charged over the Beslan school siege two years ago has been found guilty and could face the death penalty. Reading out the sentence, the Russian judge said Nurpashi Kulayev had committed murder and attempted murder, taken part in a bandit group, taken hostages and illegally stored and transported weapons.
An official moratorium on the death penalty is in place.
However Deputy Attorney General Nikolai Shepel said he had asked for the highest punishment, the death penalty, but that he would not comment further and would wait for the court to decide.
A total of 330 people were killed when a group of gunmen, including suspected Chechen separatists, took over a school in Beslan on the first day of term. The other hostage-takers were killed in a shoot-out with Russian security forces.
Life the moratorium and place a moratorium on this man’s life ASAP. This is one of the most heinous examples of what Islamic terrorism really means.
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They murdered 300+ children--ON PURPOSE-- but the morally bankrupt Liberals still try to tell us terrorists are just freedom fighters. Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 16, 2006 11:00 AM (8e/V4)
Actually they won't say or tell us anything - they will however close their eyes, put their hands over their ears, and hum loudly.
Posted by: hondo at May 16, 2006 12:26 PM (SeBrl)
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well Carlos fortunately the morally bankrupt liberals have not been a majority in Congress for 12 years and have not been in control of the White House for 6+ years. Fortunately icons such as Cindy Sheehan and Ted Kennedy can still be blamed. I am not really sure of what importance any liberal's beliefs or statements are at this point. Are there many people listening to the statements of Jimmy Carter on Chechnya ? Perhaps now one should take a look at where the conservatives stood on the issue of "freedom" for the Chechens. The American Committee for Peace in Chechnya founded in 1999 (pre 9/11) by the right wing Freedom House includes as members such neo conservatives as Richard Perle William Kristol. Peace in Chechnya meant supporting the rebels against Moscow. For a more complete rundown on the members of this pro Chechen group please google American Committee for Peace in Chechnya. I tried to give a hot link but received the dreaded "questionable content" I think that the support for the Chechens by the neoconservatives was not due to admiration but simply because they were fighting Moscow. The United Syayes has seen that often our allies later become foes.
Posted by: john Ryan at May 16, 2006 01:21 PM (TcoRJ)
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... or go off on a tangent like our dear friend John above.
Posted by: hondo at May 16, 2006 01:38 PM (SeBrl)
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I am surprised the Russians allowed one of the terrorists live. Give that terrorist a round to the head.
Posted by: Leatherneck at May 16, 2006 02:44 PM (D2g/j)
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John Ryan is on to something. The neocons (rightly)
consider Chechnya a Russian "border dispute," more than
an issue of terror,although to Russia it has elements of both. US neocons would rather weaken white Christian Russia just now,and hope to appease a few Moslems. The Soviet,you know, had helped the militant Arab world against the favored state of the neocons. The neocons, though, also supported Muslim Bosniaks against white Christian Serbia,in the 1990s although Serbs had fought the more "anti-Semitic" Croatians. That's gratitude for
ya-never trust a neocon for long--or at all!
Posted by: Ken Hoop at May 16, 2006 03:30 PM (DZbll)
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>>>And you're blaming the illegals for your problems?
hondo,
actually they do. When they say things like "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" morally bankrupt Leftists are saying terrorists are freedom figthers. Some even call them "minutemen".
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 16, 2006 07:07 PM (8e/V4)
As for immigration, which this topic drifted into, what we should be doing is paving the way for Europeans who see the writing on the wall, instead of those who do the work AWDFSW* or RAAETDY**.
* Americans won't do for slave wages
** Robots aren't advanced enough to do (yet)
Posted by: MegaTroopX at May 17, 2006 09:28 PM (yT/Rw)
Terrorists Recruiting Non-Arab Fanatics
The desire of terrorists to recruit non-Arabs to conduct attacks has been known for some time, however, now an official report of the practice has been prepared.
Terrorists have been working to recruit non-Arab sympathizers -- so-called "white Muslims" with Western features who theoretically could more easily blend into European cities and execute attacks -- according to classified intelligence documents obtained by The Associated Press.
A 252-page confidential report jointly compiled by Croatian and U.S. intelligence on potentially dangerous Islamic groups in Bosnia suggests the recruitment drive may have begun as long as four years ago, when Arab militants ran up against tough post-9/11 security obstacles.
This is nice to know but hardly surprising. However, it would be nicer to know how the Ass. Press, with apparent ease, obtains classified intelligence documents.
Nevertheless, since there will always be a segment of the population that succumbs to the lure of fanaticism, it's logical that terrorists would attempt to recruit those they can. And despite the augmented security obstacles, suicide bombers are single-use only and must be replaced.
They don't have to go all the way to Croatia to recruit 'lilywhites' who've got a soft spot for muslims (or at the very least, a healthy contempt for Bush's America.
They just need to go to Hollywood. With the dwindling viewership numbers and fewer roles I'm sure Alec Baldwin and others would probably consider a sideline. Especially if they could somehow strike out at the 'most corrupt administration in this nation's history'. Their cup runneth over with hate....why waste it?
Posted by: mrclark at April 18, 2006 08:46 PM (IMrft)
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The "suicide bomber" training centers of Bosnia and Kosovo are a creation of the US. The Islamic Madrasses have been planted by Saudi Arabia, the teachers and imams are being provided by Pakistan and other Islamists, and a bitter fruit is about to be reaped.
I predicted this when I read that Serbs were being beheaded in the Balkan war, and that Clinton and Wesley Clark were determined to punish only the Serbs and promote the Islamic agenda in the area. This was a huge mistake, and the US is about to pay a terrible price for it. These Bosnians will soon be the bombers of choice in the West. Very soon.
Posted by: jesusland joe at April 18, 2006 09:45 PM (rUyw4)
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I bet a lot of Liberals would volunteer for the job. "Bush" has driven them quite literally over the edge. Can you see these crazed Libs walking into a Wal-Mart in Kansas and blowing up those hated Red staters? lol! I can.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 18, 2006 11:07 PM (8e/V4)
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Don't know why they need to recruit white males? law enforcement aren't allowed to profile muslim extremist males, ages 18-45 anyway.. The ASLU would be all over that as 'racial profiling'.
Posted by: The Other Dave at April 21, 2006 08:06 PM (zvBf9)
Study: Terrorists Easily Enter U.S.
Simply put, by using a variety of tactics, terrorists are entering the United States with unacceptable ease. According to a study by the Center for Immigration Studies, gaps in the nation's border security, visa approval, and immigration systems have allowed dozens of terrorists to enter and embed themselves in the United States between 1993 and 2004. Ultimately, at least 21 foreign nationals became naturalized U.S. citizens before being identified as terrorists. The report of the study will be formally released later today at the National Press Club.
Overall, 59 of 94 foreign-born nationals who were either convicted or indicted on terror charges broke federal immigration laws to enter or remain in the country between 1993 and 2004, the report found. It also noted:
_Twenty-two of the 94 either had student visas or other applications approving them to study in the United States; another 17 used visitor visas to enter the country.
_In at least 13 instances, suspected and convicted terrorists overstayed their temporary visas.
_Seven of the 94 were indicted for using false driver's licenses, birth certificates, Social Security cards and immigration records.
_Twenty-one became naturalized citizens.
The report identified many of the immigrants as affiliated with at least one terror organization, including 40 with al-Qaida, 16 with Hamas, 16 with the Palestinian or Egyptian Islamic Jihad, and six with Hezbollah.
The Department of Homeland Security has enacted programs to improve immigration enforcement, undeniably not a moment too soon. According to Homeland Security spokesman Russ Knocke, the levels of scrutiny imposed by the new programs "vastly improve the odds of stopping" the terrorists before they act.
Frankly, the odds of my satisfaction with national security are not improved when it's described in terms of a mathematical probability. What's next? Television news reporting the chance of terror right after the weatherman tells us the chance of rain? Obviously, more needs to be done. National security should be a "yes or no" issue, not something that requires a handicapper.
[Update 8/30/05, 1630 EDT]
The full report, Moving Beyond the 9/11 Staff report on Terrorist Travel by Janice L. Kephart, has been posted on the Internet. It's informative and engaging, particularly the section on the extent that terrorists use sham marriages to gain permanent residency and citizenship in the U.S. Beguiling American women into marriage is an effective tactic used intentionally to further their terrorist goals. I'm not shocked.
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No, dumbass, they're in Iraq killing terrorists. Besides, when has the military been charged with guarding the border? Never, that's when. You're so fucking stupid I can't understand how you don't fucking die from it.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 30, 2005 08:11 AM (0yYS2)
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What a shocker. All of the murderers involved in 911 were illegal aliens. After 4 years someone is starting to put 2 and 2 together and get something other than 3 - like they have been the last 4 years. My question is - How many new terrorists have snuck across our borders in the last 4 years?
Posted by: Rod Stanton at August 30, 2005 11:25 AM (03F0I)
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Spray fire ants with water mixed with detergent or soap. They'll either drown or dehydrate.
You are a great advertisement for the idiocy of the left. Please switch to misc.rural so you can offend the few Democrats still living in the country.
Posted by: Phillep at August 30, 2005 05:30 PM (i3DLP)
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How many are crossing the border on each side? imean mingeling with the illeagl aleins and crossing the canadain border as well
Posted by: sandpiper at August 30, 2005 08:42 PM (slksM)
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Anyone remember how the Clintonistas made it far easier to become a citizen in the early 1990s? They did away with many requirements and checks. Hmmm chickens comming home to roost?
Boy if Slick hadn't made life so easy for the terrorists we might all be good dhimmies chanting what we learned at the madrassa like Downing Street kaffir.
Posted by: TJ Jackson at August 31, 2005 12:47 AM (PNF/W)
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Yes, I remember. What use to take 4 months now takes
2 years for the IRS to do because of it. I still
think what we should do is offer up a program like that again, you know, sign up and we will make you all legal
aliens, then after about 6 months of gathering names,
turn around grab all of the assholes, and ship them
back to their "legal" country of resident. And Charge
that country for price of the ticket.
Posted by: Butch at August 31, 2005 04:54 PM (Gqhi9)
Turkish police said on Tuesday that two men killed in a blast in an Istanbul flat were Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) members in the process of making a bomb.
An additional five people were injured.
From a fundamental Islamist perspective, would a man be given martyr status and 72 virgins if he never completed the suicide mission because he blew himself up while making a bomb? Islamic scholars must surely be searching for an answer.
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No doubt that before Turkey is allowed to join the EU they will to improve work-place safety. I wonder if the explosive manufacturer had an appropriate warning label - DO NOT HANDLE IF YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE.
Posted by: dittybopper at August 12, 2005 09:47 AM (j2M1Q)
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FYI,
The PKK is not an Islamist group. In fact, the group is a Socialist group that had ties to the Soviet Union. Remember, Turkey was NATO, hence the Soviets encouraged this sort of thing in times past. I once attended a May Day rally on Red Square where the PKK was promulently displayed.
Since much of Kurdistan was liberated after the Gulf War, their activities have declined with two pro-American secular parties becoming the main forces in the region.
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So sucide bombers are suppose to receive 72 virgins or a 72 year
old virgin. If she is a 72 year old virgin, I think I would pass.
And if you are a woman bomber, do you get 72 male virgins, aka,
72 males that can now boss you around. I think I would pass on that
also.
Posted by: Butch at August 12, 2005 10:59 AM (Gqhi9)
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last words from these knuckleheads mouth's...."oooops!!!!"
Posted by: THANOS35 at August 12, 2005 01:51 PM (IJ51c)
More Jihad Denied, For Now
This almost completely passed me by. I heard a snippet of this report on the radio today, and made a mental note to get a post up about it. I damn near forgot. Time to wake up, dhimmis:
July 26, 2005 — Five Egyptian men with maps of the New York City subway system and video of New York landmarks have been arrested by the Joint Terrorism Task Force in Newark, N.J., ABC News has learned.
FBI and law enforcement officials told ABC News the five men — four illegal immigrants and one law enforcement fugitive — were arrested Sunday night following a tip to the Newark Police Department. In addition to the subway maps and video, the men had train schedules and $8,000 in $20 and $50 bills.
It's not a game, it's not happy happy funtime. What happened in London can happen here, what happened in Egypt can happen here, what happens in Israel every goddamned week can happen here.
Richard's post below was exactly right. This was going on well before Iraq, well before 9/11. I'm old enough that I watched the coverage of the 1972 Munich Olympics, where 11 Israeli athletes were murdered by Palesimian terrorists. And it's not going to stop until Islamofascism is defeated, the dream of the global ummah crushed, and the jihadis who believe in it killed, incarcerated, and humiliated into reform.
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sure, its been going on for 1400 years, it just took a little rest for about 300 years and now the Islamicfascists have started up again and are just using Bush in Iraq as a sorry ass, flimsy excuse that a 8 year old child could make up.....boohoo, Islam, youre end is coming...i say let em use up what little energy they have before they are crushed....wait it out, let em tire themselves out and than bring the hammer down on their heads.....just like those old Raid commercials...the cockroaches{islamicfascists} run around, acting like they own the place and than comes out the big can of Raid....you know what happened next
Posted by: THANOS35 at July 26, 2005 10:33 PM (9gFP6)
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Cursed Bin Laden and his psycho friends are going to be boar-ed in the Federal Pen!!!
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 26, 2005 10:40 PM (ScqM8)
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Let me clarify. I meant terrorism as a weapon used by the jihadis. But you are right, the jihad is 1400 years and counting.
Posted by: Mad Dog Vinnie at July 26, 2005 10:42 PM (Kr6/f)
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Islam itself is the 'anti-christ'. It's a religion ... not a person. I did a thesis on this while still attaining my theology degrees.
Posted by: Jonathan at July 27, 2005 05:51 AM (wdVtc)
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Antichrist?! Can you prove it? I thought he lived in DC!
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 27, 2005 08:31 AM (ScqM8)
My dad was in the US Army and we were stationed in Munich round about '68 to '71; I toured the Olympic facilities construction site, which was near our base (Ft. McGraw).
During the winter of the year I was in first grade, there were several bomb threats called in against our elementary school. The first time we were sent home while they searched the school. On subsequent occasions, they marched us all over to the base hospital, which had an auditorium, and showed us cartoons while they did the search.
Posted by: Anachronda at July 27, 2005 12:25 PM (NmR1a)
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With regard to happening here (U.S.), let's remember Ahmed Ressam the would-be bomber of LAX. What does he get for his attempt to be a mass killer? Anyone? How about 22 years. I wouldn't really call that a strong mesage. Wrong Message Link
Posted by: insider at July 27, 2005 02:04 PM (Fr11B)
Posted by: Labosseuse at July 27, 2005 08:29 PM (Xjv2p)
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Insider: It does sound weird. In Louisana many get as much as 45 years for selling pot. Did you know that 85% of inmates in Angola prison die there. Stange that a willful killer would only get 22 years. Would that mean parole in 7 or 8 years? That sentencing judge needs a talking to.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 28, 2005 04:47 AM (CBNGy)
Right: One of the suspects (left) is taken away by German police. Breaking on the AP wire:
(Copenhagen, Denmark) With sketchy details, it's reported that Danish Police intelligence service (PET) arrested several people early today for planning a bomb attack somewhere in Copenhagen.
