Can be found here.

Huskers 27 Trojans 24 - Vinnie’s boys will upset Rusty’s over-rated Trojans. Take it to the bank, Shackleford.

"This is madness!"

"Madness? This is Memorial Stadium!!!!!!!"

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Here is a letter in which Markos Moulitsas Zúniga, aka "Kos", defends the pre-Clinton policy of not allowing gays in the military. You'll notice the date on the article he wrote in The Northern Star, the student newspaper of Northern Illinois University where he was an editor, is January 25th 1993-- just three days after President Clinton was inaugurated and right in the middle of the gays in the military controversy.

I wonder how John Aravosis, the editor of the America Blog, feels about Kos? He's the same guy who called Clinton's policy on gays in the military, "anti-gay". So, if Clinton's policy is anti-gay wouldn't the preceding policy be even more anti-gay? You might even call it gobsmackingly homophobic and the product of the American Taliban!

This is the same Kos who thought it was ok to help Aravosis out Jeff Gannon because:

"He has been extremely anti-gay in his writings. He's been a shill for the Christian right. So there's a certain level of hypocrisy there that I thought was fair game and needed to be called out."

What's even better? Markos pulls the "I served in the military but you [Bill Clinton] didn't" card. A message he would come to perfect as cover for his vile criticisms of the military because, you know, he's been in the shit and has therefore earned the right to call our men and women baby killers!

Thanks to the Jammie Wearing Fools who have more details as does The Truth About Kos.

Screenshot below of Northern Star article which mysteriously disappeared.

UPDATE: Ron at Jamie Wearing Fools, who sent the pic, tells me the image was actually taken by Orlando at Fort Hard Knox. more...

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It's about time someone finally connected Noam Chomsky to Pat Tillman's death. Another Kos diarist goes off the deep end. This time with help from the AP which leads yet another story about the tragic death of Pat Tillman with this:

Army medical examiners were suspicious about the close proximity of the three bullet holes in Pat Tillman's forehead and tried without success to get authorities to investigate whether the former NFL player's death amounted to a crime, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press.

Kosbat diarist kestrel9000 posts a number of news stories and quotes, carefully edited, to make it seem that Tillman was murdered because of his alleged anti-Iraq war views and because of a potential meeting with Noam Chomsky. Quoting another odd Leftist conspiracy theory website, the Kosbat sums up the "evidence" for the Chomsky-Tillman death squad theory:

We have confirmed that Tillman had arranged to meet with a leading anti-war intellectual, Noam Chomsky, upon his return stateside. One can imagine the panic in the Office of the Secretary of Defense at the vision of the much trumpeted poster-boy hero of the War on Terror returning home and speaking out against the evil charade of the War.

That aspect, combined with the nature of the wounds, the destruction of evidence, the first-level coverup, and the dream promotion of the commander in charge... well, you see where this is going.

You'll notice, here, the brief glimpse of honesty from the anti-war Left. Chomsky is not an anti-Iraq war advocate. He's an "anti-war" advocate. Yes, Chomsky and the hardcore Left opposed "the good war" too. You know, the one Tillman was fighting in Afghanistan.

Anyway, as long as we're coming up with conspiracy theories involving Chomsky, why not just assume Chomsky ordered Tillman's death because of his involvement in what Chomsky believed was an immoral and illegal war in Afghanistan? Howard Zinn was the gunman, I'm sure.

Is the post causing the others in the Kos community to shout down the author? Nope. I haven't read all the comments, but there are 357 as of this writing. None of the first 20 are even slightly critical of the lunacy, and of the last 20 comments only two try to argue that Tillman wasn't murdered or that the sources should be double checked.

The nutroots, naked, revealed!

UPDATE: Firedoglake's Tillman Trutherism

In other words, Pat Tillman was most likely murdered in the field. In cold blood. By other US soldiers.

UPDATE II: Wesley Clark, a Tillman Truther?

He essentially says that if Tillman was killed deliberately the orders “came from the top” and manages to invoke the idea of a Rovian plot along the way.

UPDATE III: Ah, the Tillman Trutherism rolls on in, of all places, Rolling Stone. Which stops short of calling it a hit ordered by President Bush, but which wonders if Tillman was fragged....for of all things, telling another soldier to shut up and stop sniveling. Yeah, that's unusual in the military. The kind of jive that gets you fragged...

It's the Oliver Stoning of American views of the military.

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Just click on the permalink and keep it in one of your browsers tabs. It will reload over and over and over and over. I wonder how much bandwidth the Taliban really have to burn? Thanks to Nate for the code......

UPDATE: Oops, apparantly that bit of code also reloaded the main page, even though it was below the fold. So, had to delete it. But please steal these images and post them to your webpage. Just put each of these lines between (below the fold) <> and you're good to go.

Update II: Howie added a blog, so you can open this link in a new tab and it will refresh all day long. Just keep the tab open. more...

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A little Instapundit post like this one can cause such a reaction from my little blog bitch Oliver Willis and Kevin Drum at Washington Monthly......is......there must be some truth to it. Stuff just doesn't get that kind of reaction unless you feel guilty about err something, like say maybe selling out your country for political gain?

Updated: (below the fold) more...

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Pixy is aware of the comments problem and is working to resolve it.

We have proof, here he is:

Update: Go figure. Right after I post this, they're working again. It's the power of Bauer.

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You may have noticed problems accessing The Jawa Report and Jawa comments. We have been under a sustained heavy spam/DDOS since Friday.

I posted an email a terrorist thread earlier in the week. What prompted the post was a new Islamic spam email promoting and English translation of a Spiegel interview with al-Qaeda that has a French Yahoo email but originated from Germany.

So the next time I received the spam I struck up a discussion with the spammer/terrorist propagandist. Turns out he's quite a prolific spammer, hacker, and bot-net propagator.

Just after our “discussion” the spam volume at TJR overwhelmed our comment system and had us completely offline on Saturday Morning. Coincidence? I think not. I’m sure since comments have been offline there are quite a few of you with pent up feelings you would like to get off your chest. I feel it is appropriate that we express our gratitude for this attack on The Jawa Report.

cipdtf@yahoo.fr

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1 Looks to me to be way gay.

Posted by: Darth Vag at June 10, 2007 10:31 PM (b0FZu)

2 Rhetorical question:

With all the intel capabilities this country has, how hard could it be to track bastards like this down and put them out of bee's wax?

Or, better yet, come up with an e-mail alternative to the POP/SMTP system that would make it impossible (Or nearly so) to spam? The current e-mail system was designed with zero authentication/verification features by a small pool of professor geeks wanting to send each other messages. It is hoplessly outdated and in desperate need of replacement.

Posted by: Hucbald at June 10, 2007 11:50 PM (cg/QG)

3 The email address for the spammer appears incorrect.  You gave it as cipdtf@yahoo.fr.  Shouldn't it be cipdtf@yahoo.com.fr?
 
This post is hard to read.  Needs a bit of editing.

Posted by: Stogie at June 11, 2007 12:09 AM (ARbAB)

4

Rantburg has under a sustained attack since last week.

Posted by: Rubin at June 11, 2007 05:19 AM (sLx1r)

5 Girls are gross.....

Posted by: Ahmed at June 11, 2007 08:20 AM (Vx8xp)

6 We had a good spam tool on the old server, but the constant attacvks drove Pixi to move us and it did not come with us. Hopefully we will have one when we convert to the new platform.

Posted by: Darth Odie at June 11, 2007 09:31 AM (YHZAl)

7 The email addy I used works for me...As for my writing...Yeah I know.....20 more years and maybe it will be a bit better...

Posted by: Darth Odie at June 11, 2007 10:02 AM (YHZAl)

8

E-mail to him apparently received.

Posted by: greyrooster at June 11, 2007 10:05 AM (F6Vin)

9 My e-mail also received by said creep.

Posted by: allahakchew at June 11, 2007 01:42 PM (m2p07)

10

Surprise, I got a reply today. I used  subject matter "virgins". Told him he couldn't get more virgins by spamming jawa. He asked me how many "virgins" I had. Says jawa was silly and I should read what jawa had said about "them". Wanted me to reveal my identity. Stupid idiot.

Posted by: allahakchew at June 12, 2007 10:09 AM (m2p07)

11 Watch him, He sends me images and tried a pop up and a virus too I think.  You need the gmail. I'll send you an invite.

Posted by: Howie at June 12, 2007 10:24 AM (YHZAl)

12 Again, thank you Howie -

Posted by: allahakchew at June 12, 2007 12:42 PM (m2p07)

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...too quiet.

Comments are still off-line. If you feel the need to share, please feel free to use the email.

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Another salvo from a sane lefty will likely met (given past instances of this perceived apostacy) with sneering, cursing, pot-banging, hatred, deathwishes, calls for purges, whining, intolerance, etc.

Hence, Klein's point will be proved instantly.

The nutosphere is a wild and wooly cage of rabid cheeba monkeys, and Klein is rapping it with a large stick. Bravo, sir.

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Daveed Gartenstein-Ross, for those who do not know, is a former convert to Islam who now works with the FBI and other agencies to combat terrorism.
He is a senior fellow at The Foundation for Defense of Democracies, the author of a book entitled 'My Year Inside Radical Islam', and he is a regular contributor to The Counterterrorism Blog.

Gartenstein-Ross will be traveling to Iraq as an embedded journalist, and he is asking for donations to The Counterterroism Blog to help support the costs of the embed.
As the CT blog is one of the most useful online resources I have found, and I am a daily reader, I am re-posting his request here in an effort to increase it's exposure:

"With the debate over setting a timetable for withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq reaching a fever pitch, this is a critical time for Americans to have reliable information on the country. There are also a number of important developments inside Iraq, such as the rise of the Anbar Salvation Front (which I blogged about here), the development of the related council of ulema and Iraq Awakening party, current U.S. military operations in Ramadi, the training and infiltration of the Iraqi police, and a seemingly deteriorating security situation in the Green Zone.

I will be traveling to Iraq this month to do embedded reporting, and to cover these and other relevant stories. If you're interested in helping to support the embed, donations can be made payable to the Counterterrorism Foundation or directly through the CTF PayPal link below:"

PayPal Button On The CT Blog

The original post is here.

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Tip #1 : If you're working to build support for your Republican candidate online, it's probably a good idea not to send a message like this to the editors at Pajamas Media:

Hello-

I’m the operator of the website that has sent all the Ron Paul voters to your page.

We are an ARMY of over 10,000 Ron Paul supporters that are promoting Dr Paul online.

We have NOT cheated your “poll”, we’re just voting like everyone else, unless it’s cheating to be an organized group of supporters.

Your slander of us and disrespect for Dr Paul will NOT be tolerated any longer, I’ll give you until tomorrow at 5pm to PROVE or REMOVE the “cheating” comments or a massive viral online campaign to discredit your site will begin.

Jody Wallace
Contactor: Jody Wallace ( JodyWallace26@yahoo.com ) www.myspace.com/congressmanronpaul

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As of April 19, 2007, the US Army has imposed new, strict limitations on soldier's blogs and e-mail.
All members of the Army must now get prior approval from a supervisor, and this regulation also includes soldier's family members as well as civilian contractors.

According to Danger Room:

The 2005 regulation, created from minor revisions made to the 1995 regulation, made brief additions to the regulation, specifically to address new technology such as e-mail, Web sites, and blogs, but carried over most of the regulations from 1995. The 2007 regulation is a major revision and provides significant updates in the areas of responsibilities, policy and procedures, and training requirements. It updates and clarifies individual as well as unit/organizational responsibilities. It emphasizes that in addition to Soldiers, Department of the Army Civilians, contractors, and U.S. Army Families must be included in practicing operational security. The 2007 regulation also provides updated guidance how to establish OPSEC programs for units and organizations as well as updated training requirements.

View Regulation 530-1 (2007 Edition) Here

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The quickest way to make sure that an unfavorable account of your business practices is spread as far and as wide as possible? Send a cease and desist letter.

Blogger Kathrine Coble posted an account of her and her husband’s dealings with headhunting firm JL Kirk Associates. I read her article and it seems pretty open, honest and up front to me.

Kirk and Associates will get you a job just drop the 4 G’s in advance. In my opinion that’s lower than a snake’s belly. If they are so good then they should find you the job and then request a reasonable payment. If the job is good people will not complain about the cost of the service. Besides, if you have four grand to drop on a less than sure thing, you probably don't need the job. See how this works?

But apparently JL Kirk Associates wants Mrs. Coble’s story to be #1 on Google and Google news too. So, they sent a letter demanding that Katherine take down her less than flattering post. They wound up Kirking themselves.

Hat Tip: Instapundit.

Others Blogging the Kirk & Associates story include Blue Crab Boulevard , Captain's Quarters and Bill Hobbs.

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I've been kind of out of town for the last week or so---at least, I've been out of the blogosphere loop---so I was a bit surprised to learn from Charles Johnson that the tinfoil wearers over at Digg are busy trying to list The Jawa Report as "spam". But since we're in the company of LGF, Michelle Malkin, Robert Spencer, and Captain Ed ---I'll wear this as a badge of honor.

(Good Lt): I put the kite flying post up at Digg. Lets see if anyone notices.

UPDATE: "Diggbats"? I like it.

UPDATEII: A screenshot just can't capture how bad the Digg que really is when you only show stories marked "buried" ("lame", "innacurate", or "spam"). Nearly all of them have something to do with Islam.

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-BUMPED-

OK, Heaven Nose vs. Trainwrecks and fellow blogwar fans...time to indulge. We're inside of blogwars.

I posted an extensive background post on the blogwar to end all blogwars here. That's the primer.

The proprietors of Heaven Nose allowed us to get an inside glimpse into the anti-Trainwrecks movement. Being one of the most insane blog wars in recent memory, I thought this interview would add a little to the netlore.

The following interview comes from emails between myself and the blogger(s) who destroyed Trainwrecks. There is much more at Heaven Nose itself. Have at it in the comments.

Recent Jawa Report coverage: Blogwars: Heaven Nose Kills Trainwrecks

** READ THE EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW (w/ Videos) BELOW THE FOLD ---> more...

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The Jawa Report has its rivalries and fights with other blogs now and then. It goes on, and it's generally not a big deal. The Trainwrecks vs. Heaven Nose blog fight, on the other hand, has taken it to another level entirely. This is the first time I'm aware of that one blog actually killed off another blog--or at least forced another blog to commit suicide. The victors had this to say:

So the question remains: Why? It's simple. We got rid of Trainwrecks just because we could. Not bad for two clowns whose mother tongue isn't English, eh? Let's see you take down a blog in Italian or Greek.

Once upon a time there was a blog, called Trainwrecks.net managed by Beth Campbell aka xeney. This site wrote about—train wrecks--human train wrecks. Any story you could imagine as long as it was a train wreck.

Some of Trainwreck's readers, or perhaps I should say victims, came over to this blog and weren't too happy about what Trainwrecks wrote about. Warfare between Trainwrecks and many other blogs ensued. People were taking this quite seriously. They thought the Trainwrecks people were cold and stone-hearted.

And then, suddenly, this weekend, Trainwrecks.net is no more.

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Crooks and Liars, TPM Muckraker and The Carpetbagger Report all tried to "debunk" the photo of a lonely John Kerry sitting with those he indicated are drooling high-school dropouts in Iraq this past holiday.

They screamed indignation at "the right"! The threw around accusations of fauxtography! Those rightwing theocons are at it again! Kerry derangement syndrome! We got 'em this time!

And the verdict? Sadly, No!

The pics were indeed real, and Kerry did indeed look like the buffoonish caricature of himself that he in fact is.

Maybe these leftosphere bloggers can tell the MSM watchdogs in the rightosphere what crow tastes like. Is it sweet or bitter?

Read Malkin, Gateway Pundit and Powerline to get the background and a hearty laugh. Have some punch. Indulge in schedenfreude. Drop Ben a line as well.

These guys want so desperately to do to the rightosphere what we do semi-regularly to the MSM, and they end up looking like Joe Wilson when they attempt it - dishonest, loud, wrong, inaccurate, slightly tweaked and desperate.

Especially when they don't retract or correct their initial assertions and accusations.

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You know sometimes Howie rants a bit. Once in a while I worry about that. You know, crazy ass Howie is ranting again. But since I visited Rosie’s blog, all of that just melted away. Well first of all she has a new poem up. I don't think Garrison will feature it on Writer's Almanac. She of course has to keep on going after The Donald because it get’s her attention

a young girl in nyc
meets a pimp
he cons her into a life of illusion
she works for him
no fun - no f**king - no future
she is owned
when she sneaks out -
to party the night away
he freaks
he roughs her up a bit
shames her in front of the others
teaches her to behave
for his own benefit

Not content to just go after the Donald she then takes a swipe at all the poor people. You know, because she is “so deserving” and if you are poor you must “deserve” it.

You talk real loud
But you ain’t saying nothing cool
I can fit your whole house in my swimming pool, ha ha ha.

Rosie, if your brains were cotton, you wouldn't have enough for a piss ant's Kotex.

Of course Rosie has her comments disabled. God forbid her blog have to suffer actual unfiltered opinions. That’s why real blogs like The Jawa are here. Comment away! Who knows, if she takes a month to figure out that site meter thingy she might even read em.

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Here we have a comment from a terrorists supporting A$$hole. He got caught in the flypaper over at Juba Sucks, our anti-Juba Sniper site.

what shame
juba did all that to you guys?
juba defeat US cowerd rats in iraq
ur planning to escabe like road runner :)
am happy to browse such blog
cuz that show how ur terrifieng from juba
your dieing there mother f--kers
hahahahah
the blood of cheldren following you chasing you
half of your soldiers are legless or handicap or killed like a cow

haaaaaaaaaaaaay
and the future hiding more fun in iraq

hey hey hey

its not just a horror movie
its real death
say bye to your relatives

your f--ked relatives

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Steven Taylor has tried contacting verizon and asked for support. Several of his readers have gone over the the Fake Poliblog to show support. Verizon deleted the comments. I did not link the fake one for obvious reasons. Have they (Verizon) no shame?

Dr. Steven Taylor via The Real Poliblog:Well, it would appear that Verizon has decided that all I get from them is one letter from an attorney and then silence.

As such, I think that I would appreciate it if you all would visit Verizon - PoliBlog and leave some polite comments and/or send e-mails as to why their blog designers couldn’t use Google to recognize that the name was taken. (And please, be polite).

Also, any links to this post would be appreciated.

It seems odd to me that Verizon wishes to get on all the bloggy goodness, but doesn’t want to be good neighbor in the Blogosphere.

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Blue Crab Boulevard has been under a sustained DDOS/Spam attack for over a week.

Things have been a little bit less than normal around the Crabitat for several days. Longtime readers will realize that. New visitors will not. By way of explaining what is happening here, this website has been under a pretty hefty attack since about the time voting started for the Weblog Awards. I have absolutely no idea if the timing is coincidental or not. But Blue Crab Boulevard has been knocked offline repeatedly by waves of spam attacks that are defeating every WordPress Plugin. The only reason this site is still on line is by sheer luck and a tech who saved it.

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A personal note to naysayers. I just got back from a friend's house. My friend is Muslim. We celebrated the end of Eid--the holiday that comes at the end of Ramadan. We should have celebrated yesterday, but couldn't. In any event, good food was shared by good friends. Spicy good food, I might add, lots of curry. My friend is from Southeast Asia. Is there anything that tastes bad with enough curry on it?

Anyway, just thought I'd remind small minded assholes who belileve that any opposition to Islam must come from some sort of phobia of Muslims. It doesn't. I no more fear Muslims than I feared Communists. I no more hate Muslims than I hated Communists. I fear and hate neither. Yet I still oppose both Islam and Communism.

So to the idiots who call me a bigot, screw you and the horse you rode in on.

PS--if you want to see a real bigot, read some of the comments. That's what a bigot looks like.

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1 Whoa!

Posted by: Jason Chance at October 31, 2006 04:42 PM (wkRws)

2 Anyone who is friends or associates themselves with muslims and arabs is a traitor to America.  You should be ashamed of yourself for helping the terrorists to win.

The only feast muslims should enjoy is their final meal before they are sent to hell.

God Bless America

Posted by: Bill Bradford at October 31, 2006 04:44 PM (DCZ7U)

3 Muslim hugging bigot.

Posted by: Greyrooster at October 31, 2006 04:46 PM (mCJ+p)

4 Rusty,
Keep yer curry smellin' fingers away from my horse.

Posted by: Jaysusland Greg at October 31, 2006 04:56 PM (/+dAV)

5

I prefer Thai Curry, it has so much more flavor. Indian Curry is exceptional as well, although it's a lot spicier (hotter).

There are quite a few family Thai places (hole in the wall kind of joints) in my hometown (Bakersfield, CA), and they are almost always exceptional. I agree "Dr. Rusty", follows along the lines of "hate the sin, love the sinner", I have made many friends in Muslims (at least on the surface, which is all I can tell), but that doesn't stop me from wishing the cult of Islam go bye bye. In fact it is because I feel such brotherly love for Muslims that I wish Islam would go away, to save them from real bigotry and hatred that is so much a part of "true" practicers of that religion.

Posted by: Henry at October 31, 2006 05:00 PM (eguza)

6 Rusty,
Has it occurred to you that 99% of devote Muslims, like your friend, are reasonable people and that reconciliation is possible? There is nothing inherently evil about Islam.

Posted by: Greg at October 31, 2006 05:13 PM (/+dAV)

7 Greg,

I've heard moderate muslims themselves say that they estimate the pro-terror muslims number as high as 30%.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 31, 2006 05:33 PM (8e/V4)

8 The crucible cooks terrorists up like pop'n'fresh dough, "Christians" and "Muslims" alike.
Solution - turn off the oven.

Posted by: Greg at October 31, 2006 05:40 PM (/+dAV)

9 30% my horse's ass.

Posted by: Greg at October 31, 2006 05:41 PM (/+dAV)

10 30% in muslim math is 99.9999999999987%

Posted by: Bill Bradford at October 31, 2006 05:58 PM (DCZ7U)

11 30% doesn't pass the sniff test.
Given that "terrorists" are mostly men, that would mean that 60% of Muslim men, or 330,000,000 are terrorists. You're a terrorist, Carlos. Please stop. And stop with the Jesus crap. Jesus would want us to reconcile.

Posted by: JDL at October 31, 2006 06:00 PM (19GwZ)

12 JDL, pro-terrorists and terrorists aren't the same thing.  It's reprehensible to support terrorists, but it's not a 1 to 1 equivalency of strapping a bomb to yourself  and detonating it on a bus of kids or sniping US soldiers handing out food.  If it were there'd be a lot more of those 'aid' organizations here in the US and abroad being shut down and their proprietors mysteriously disappearing to Gitmo.

Posted by: Ranba Ral at October 31, 2006 06:10 PM (VvXII)

13 I'm a bigot. The best curries are made by Hindus. Muslims can go to hell.

Posted by: Jester at October 31, 2006 06:10 PM (TuAMG)

14 Good on you Rusty.

Posted by: Mathewk at October 31, 2006 06:15 PM (pVHqF)

15 Oh yeah, and Curry rules.  There was a good Thai place around back home but it closed down due to lack of business.  They had it so you could choose how spicy you wanted your dish because they realized Ohians are pussies.  But alas, Cincinnatians proved to be even wussier than they had anticipated and ran crying like little babies from even the light seasoning back to that chocolate and cinamon infested gruel they think is chili (pay extra for meat in the chili? WTF OHIO).

Posted by: Ranba Ral at October 31, 2006 06:17 PM (VvXII)

16 "Anyone who is friends or associates themselves with muslims and arabs is a traitor to America."

<img src="http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2005/04/25/image690875x.jpg">

Posted by: Angryflower at October 31, 2006 06:57 PM (Bss6w)

17

Ah, the old "I don't hate ____! I have ____ friends!" routine. Pfft.

Posted by: Zoroasterland Carlos at October 31, 2006 07:06 PM (ukQPS)

18 I think what you might be trying to say is: "I'm not a bigot. Some of my best friends are (fill in the blank with whichever historical group you don't like but personal friendship has made inconvenient)."

Posted by: Professor von Nostrand at October 31, 2006 07:36 PM (Bwpq7)

19 Greg:
 
You pulled that 99% figure out of your ass. That seems to be where you get most of your opinions.
 
Islam most certainly is inherently evil, both in word and deed. Genocide, murder, slavery, rape, theft and xenophobia are all evil acts. All are commanded by islam.
 
Not all muslims buy into their religion's commandments. Indonesian muslims tend to be heretics, because most of them don't choose to practice any of those things. They are despised by Middle Eastern muslims for this.
 
All the evils of islam can be lain at the feet of flea-bitten Muhammad and the debased Arab culture that spawned him.
 
The only two things you know about islam are jack and shit.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at October 31, 2006 07:44 PM (bLPT+)

20 Ranba Ral:
 
I have to disagree with you on this one. Pro-terrorists manifestly are terrorists. The vermin who provide funds, shelter, planning, "spritual" guidance, and solidarity for terrorist acts are every bit as guilty as the scum who physically carry out the acts. According to your argument, Osama Bin Laden isn't a terrorist, because he's too much of a pussy to carry out the acts he finances himself.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at October 31, 2006 07:51 PM (bLPT+)

21 Bill Bradford:
 
You're such an obvious troll that it's a wonder why you bother at all. Only idiots are trolls, so I guess that explains it.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at October 31, 2006 07:54 PM (bLPT+)

22 Ah, its the good professor, and the angryflower, and the moonbat, out on Halloween. My, oh, my, who woulda thunk it?

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 31, 2006 07:59 PM (rUyw4)

23 Professor Van Nostrum:
 
What he was saying, was not to confuse the foul religion of islam with muslims. Islam is undeniably evil, not all muslims are.
 
Only real bigots use the "some of my best friends are..." slander. Leftists use this tired old ploy to stifle debate by accusing others of racism and bigotry. It only works on morons, which is why only morons employ it.
 
Admit it. You're bigoted against anybody who thinks differently than you do. Anybody who thinks sensibly.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at October 31, 2006 08:00 PM (bLPT+)

24 Only a academic meathead is stupid enough to trust a muslim. The same meatheads that have ill advised America for years. Where's Pol Pot when you need him.

Posted by: Greyrooster at October 31, 2006 08:28 PM (EhXUQ)

25 Jeff has:"Genocide, murder, slavery, rape, theft and xenophobia are all evil acts. All are commanded by islam."

I'm no theologian, but I'll bet you're full of shit. Xenophobia? Who are you to squawk? I'm familiar with the list and it's not peculiar to Islam.

Posted by: Greg at October 31, 2006 09:01 PM (19GwZ)

26 Von Nostril: I figured you would show up on halloween. Friggin jerk.

Posted by: Greyrooster at October 31, 2006 09:03 PM (EhXUQ)

27 It takes a pretentious twit to comment on the internet with Professor before his name, as if that gives a meathead credibility. Sorry, professor, just the opposite is true. What a turd you are.

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 31, 2006 09:27 PM (rUyw4)

28 The meatheads are everywhere.

Posted by: Greyrooster at October 31, 2006 09:48 PM (EhXUQ)

29 Jeff,

Exactly!! You've lived in Indonesia so you know. Almost all my Muslim friends here are Sufis and are more into mysticism, paranormalism and have a more hedonistic outlook than the Islamists. It's Islamic followers that I hate and are my enemies and I of them. Unless someone has lived in a Muslim country you won't notice the differentiation between the two and usually lump all Muslims together. My Muslim friends want the Islamists dead because they are threat to their beliefs and lifestyle. If they oppose the Islamists then they are branded apostates and either persecuted or killed. When I call for death to all the cube facing pagan moon god worshiping idiots, I'm talking about the Islamists. Most of my Muslim friends laugh at Islamists just like we do, don't pray five times a day, drink Bintang beer, go to nightclubs to dance, wear swimsuits at the beach or swimming pool (as opposed to Islamists (women)which go fully clothed), some even eat pork satay in Bali, and generally want to be free. Indonesia may be the most populous Muslim nation in the world but only because those born into Muslim families didn't have a choice of which religion to follow. They were automatically Muslims. Most Muslims here are only Muslim on their ID cards and as Jeff said, they are considered heretics by Islamists in the Middle East. The problem here is the Islamist population is small but vocal and intimidating to the poorly educated population. They threaten those who don't believe in radical Islam and will kill them to make a point. As you saw in recent polls, 1 in 5 side with JI. Why? Two possibilities. One is that people are being intimidated by the radicals and two, the demographics of the area where they polls were taken. If most of the poll was taken in West Java then the result will be higher for Islamists. West Java strongly associates itself with Islam. Same for West Sumatera and South Sulawesi. If the poll was taken where I live in North Sulawesi, 0% would support JI and Islamists.There are more Hindus, Buddhists and Confucianists here than Muslims.

Posted by: Big White Infidel at October 31, 2006 10:14 PM (0z8AT)

30 Greg - I'll take BWI's opinion over yours any day of the week. He's usually 100% dead spot on.
 
You - it all depends on how smooth the wall and how moist the turd you're flinging is...
 
Dance Monkey Dance!!!

Posted by: Max Power at October 31, 2006 10:21 PM (PM8kH)

31 Big White: Thanks for the education.

Posted by: Greyrooster at October 31, 2006 10:37 PM (EhXUQ)

32 A muslim that drinks beer can't be all bad. Just mostly so.

Posted by: Greyrooster at October 31, 2006 10:38 PM (EhXUQ)

33 Since all Muslims are evil terrorists than logically it would follow that all Americans are like;

Choose one from the following:

John "stuck in Iraq" Kerry
George "dumb as a stump" Bush
Karl "evil genius' Rove
Barbara "nose bigger than her brain" Streisand
Fred "God hates everyone but the Phelps family" Phelps
The Democratic Party
The Republican Party
NOW
ACLU
Right to Life
Hell's Angel's
Mother's Against Drunk Driving
PETA
NRA
NEA
etc., ect, ect, ....

My point. I hate terrorists, I don't particularly trust Islam but I don't think all Muslims are the same. Just like I don't think all Consevatives, or Democrats or what ever group you associate with are the same. That kind of sloppy thinking is what got us into this war in the first place. If those in charge of our security 30 years ago had done what they should have we wouldn't be fighting about this now.

This time it's all Former Pres. Carter's fault.

Posted by: seanmahair at October 31, 2006 11:16 PM (HMgsG)

34 The people in that hell-hole part of the world have shown what kind of animals they are, torturing, beheading and blowing up their own kind. We need to weed out that particular blood-line from modern society. And Panang curry is hard to beat .... trick or treat! 

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 31, 2006 11:33 PM (Dd86v)

35 Nothing wrong with "us" getting into this war. The problem was not leaving when we completed our business.
 
 

Posted by: Max Power at October 31, 2006 11:36 PM (PM8kH)

36 But Max, George Bush sez we haven't completed our business ... and probably won't for years. So that makes your first statement null and void.

Posted by: Gleep! at November 01, 2006 12:45 AM (a7sMc)

37
Given that "terrorists" are mostly men, that would mean that 60% of Muslim men, or 330,000,000 are terrorists.

He didn't say 30% of muslims were terrorists, he said 30% of muslims were PRO-terrorist.  Reading comprehension is always a good thing.

And stop with the Jesus crap. Jesus would want us to reconcile.

As far as "Jesusland", that's what you Libs call us.  Now you don't like it because we embrace it. LOL.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 01, 2006 01:34 AM (8e/V4)

38

Comrade Jihad Greg wrote:

"Jeff has:"Genocide, murder, slavery, rape, theft and xenophobia are all evil acts. All are commanded by islam."

I'm no theologian, but I'll bet you're full of shit. Xenophobia? Who are you to squawk? I'm familiar with the list and it's not peculiar to Islam."

Pay up, asshole. The only religion that commands its followers to commit the atrocities I listed is islam. By all means, show me the Christian commands to do so. We both know it's Christians that you hate, so you don't need to look for similar commands in other religions. (They don't exist outside of the religion of peace.) Not only is the Bible free of such commands, but you will never find a Church that preaches those things. Not ever.

You will never find a mosque that doesn't preach those things. Not ever.

There's nothing xenophobic about detesting the crimes of islam. I suggest you learn the definition of "xenophobia." It has nothing to do with religion.

 

 

 

 

 

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 01, 2006 02:52 AM (bLPT+)

39

Big White Infidel:

Thank you. I get tired of explaining the difference between nominal muslims and real ones.

I once met a very well informed guy on Jihad Watch who was a Minister in Manado. The two of us educated some sycophant who believed everything Spencer and his dim-witted editors wrote, including their idiotic situational assessments and policy suggestions. (Spencer knows islam inside and out, but he's hopeless when it comes to applying that knowlege to the world stage, and his editors are just plain stupid.) It had to be you. Am I right?

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 01, 2006 03:00 AM (bLPT+)

40 Jeff, that's my brother Stan

Posted by: Big White Infidel at November 01, 2006 04:44 AM (bwroC)

41

Here's an article from this week's Tempo Magazine here in Indonesia

Cover Story

Pleasing
God and Man

A number of kiai are propagating Islam in unique ways. Sufi approaches
have made them more flexible.

SLOWLY
but surely, in the field of religious propagation, those propagators who choose
the method of da’wah bil hal or “propagating the faith through concrete
action,” are increasingly drawing public attention. They are offering a
different approach. In general, they reject the old approach, namely the usual
black-and-white answers offered by Islamic jurisprudence and legal theory. They
have relied more on approaches that are Sufi, supernatural and sometimes may
seem a bit mystical—which do not involve any questionable mystical practices.
If they appear to be a bit strange, it is only a consequence of the approach
they have adopted. More importantly, these religious propagators have preferred
to take concrete action, working directly to treat social ills, usually far
from the spotlights and television cameras.

Muhammad
Sutanto is one of them.

This
follower of the Nahdlatul Ulama organization is unique. In Semarang, where he is better known as Gus
Tanto, he sermonizes in a circle usually avoided by the faithful, but
well-attended by hoodlums and small-time criminals. According to those who know
him, this young kiai (preacher) is said to have powers of invincibility. People
close to him claim that he can boil an egg and cook rice just by placing a pot
of rice and eggs on his head.

He made
his way into their world after passing a tough test. In a fight with the
hoodlums, he reportedly displayed his powers. A knife could not even scratch
his skin, and sword strokes only made his hair glow. The thugs were amazed,
then obediently began studying religion with him.

Is it
true he has such powers? God only knows. For sure, the Istighfar (place for
God’s forgiveness) School, which he founded, is widely known as the School for
Thugs. Here, the long-haired kiai does not teach Islamic legal theory or Arabic
grammar. He teaches the concept of tauhid or Islamic monotheism. He calls it a
healing of the heart.

Not
surprisingly, Gus Tanto has no problem with his students’ tattoos. He does not
ask them to have them removed. The important thing is that they are willing to
leave the world of darkness behind. During the month of fasting, he also did
not make an issue of his neighbor’s food stall, which remained open right in
front of his school.

This
unorthodox kiai even criticizes one popular religious precept, namely, that
people who fast feel that they should be respected. Gus Tanto, in fact, feels
that we should respect those who are not fasting, for the temptation that
presents itself and of which must be overcome.

There are
also special kiai who propagate the faith in the underworld. One example is
Khoiron Syu’aib, who propagates the faith in a red-light area in Bangunsari, Surabaya. He believes
that in their heart of hearts, the prostitutes and pimps still have the will to
do good. He understands that the prostitutes are forced to do their trade
because of economic pressure.

He holds
study sessions in the brothels. Sometimes he risks clashing with the pimps.
Khoiron is always trying to ‘civilize’ them. Right in front of his house, a
number of men living in the complex spend all day gambling with cards. He
leaves them alone, hoping they would be prodded into changing their minds on
seeing their children study religion near their gambling spot.

In
Parung, West Java, Habib Saggaf Bin Mahdi Bin
Syeikh Abu Bakar is an amazing example of philanthropy. He propagates the faith
through education by providing free schooling for the poor and the destitute at
his boarding school. To fund the education of the thousands of students, he
uses the proceeds from his bakery business, recycling trash, and farming.
“Wealth is only a trust from God. They really need to get an education,” he
said.

Another
unique concept of religious propagation comes from Yusuf Mansur, who often
appears on television. He focuses on the theme of voluntary charity as a form
of investment. “This is the way to overcome a life of constricted means,” he
said. He often quotes the verse from the Qur’an on encouraging mankind to set
aside a part of their wealth to be spent in God’s way. In this way, they will
be blessed with a better life and additional provision.

Kiai
Husein Muhammad from Cirebon, West
Java, also has a unique standing. Despite being raised in the
patriarchal traditions of the Islamic boarding school and classical religious
texts, Husein tries to introduce gender equality. By quoting from some of
Islam’s classic scholarly texts, he shows that men and women are equal. Just
like Amina Wadud in the United
States, he believes a woman may lead a group
prayer.

There are
also a large number of kiai from the Nahdlatul Ulama (NU) organization who have
unusual and unorthodox ideas. Perhaps the ways of these kiai are difficult to
understand in a rational way. Sociologically, however, NU followers believe in
them, some even being familiar with them.

In the
past, there was the late Kiai Hamim Djazuli from Kediri,
East Java. This kiai, better known as Gus
Miek, would drink dark beer in Surabaya
nightclubs. The beer was not an end, but a means to approach the night workers
and celebrities whose lives were far from spiritual thoughts. It worked. The
artists, celebrities, and night workers began coming to Gus Miek to share their
problems. Along with thousands of others, they would often attend the Qur’an
reading sessions he led. The study sessions continue to this day, even though
Gus Miek himself died 13 years ago.

Then
there is the story of Gus Nuril, a former commander of the force who was ready
to fight and die to defend former President Abdurrahman Wahid (better known as
Gus Dur). Gus Nuril tells the story of how one day he met a mysterious man who
introduced himself as Sheikh Yakub, then disappeared.

For two
years, he tried to discover the identity of that sheikh. One day, he
unintentionally opened an old text from NU circles. There he found out that
Sheikh Yakub was the father-in-law of Kiai Hasyim Asy’ari. So this means that
he was the great-grandfather of former Indonesian President Abdurrahman Wahid.
Sheikh Yakub had died decades ago! This spiritual encounter changed his life.
He felt emotionally attached to this ancestor. “That is why I am a strong
supporter of Gus Dur,” he said. Like the others, people often consult with Gus
Nuril regarding their problems.

Former
government officials, especially those who used to be close with the Suharto
family, were undoubtedly familiar with the figure of Mbah Lim, whose real name
is Kiai Muslim Rifa’i Imampura, from Klaten, Central Java.
The words of this kiai were difficult to understand, and only his assistant
could fully comprehend them. Nevertheless, local government officials,
including those from Jakarta,
still visit him to this day to ask for his spiritual advice.

It is
precisely these unusual habits which have raised the visibility of these kiai.
People come just to ask questions or to stay over to find knowledge and inner
peace.

Quraish
Shihab, an expert in the exegesis of the Qur’an, said that some ulama or
religious teachers still believe in the supernatural. According to him,
however, not all supernatural things are gifts bestowed by God to honor
mankind.

Indeed,
God only gives this karamah (honor) to his faithful and obedient servants.
“However, there is also ihanah (disgrace) which is given to those who deviate
from God’s teachings,” he said.

NU
followers are not the only ones who believe in supernatural occurrences. Even
Abdul Munir Mulkan, whose background is with the Muhammadiyah organization,
recognizes it. He himself once experienced something unusual. One day during
his youth, he was with a kiai in Lampung, who was invited to a place some 30
kilometers away. “If we travel there by bicycle, it should take about an hour,”
he said. They started out at 6am, and should have arrived there at 7am. But
when they arrived there, the clock still showed 6am. After this strange
occurrence, he consulted a kiai whom he knew. The kiai just kept smiling. “I have
not received an explanation which is logically acceptable. But that is what
really happened.”

According
to Munir Mulkan, who is an observer of tasawuf, the Sufi approach makes them
more flexible when it comes to dealing with people. They do not have a strict
orientation to Islamic juristic reasoning. “They feel that by serving God,
there will be an opportunity to make society better.” This differs from the
scholars of Islamic law, who usually see things in black and white and limit
socializing. “This is because they believe that hanging out with vague people
is the same as vagueness itself,” said Munir Mulkan.

Whatever
the approach taken, all of these kiai have a role to play. We are thankful that
there are religious propagators who work though da’wah bil hal—touching the
hearts of people, then use an open mind to find concrete solutions to life’s
problems. The question is whether we need people who choose to please God by
propagating religion in a manner that is pleasing to the people.

Nugroho
Dewanto, Suseno, Adek Media Roza

Just for your information the NU is the largest Islamic organization in Indonesia with over 40 million followers.

Posted by: Big White Infidel at November 01, 2006 04:58 AM (bwroC)

42 Refferring to:"Genocide, murder, slavery, rape, theft and xenophobia are all evil acts. All are commanded by islam."

Jeff has: "You will never find a mosque that doesn't preach those things. Not ever."

You're full of shit, Jeff.

Posted by: Greg at November 01, 2006 08:13 AM (19GwZ)

43 Hey quit stealing the name Max Power jackass. Only I can use it.

Posted by: Max Power at November 01, 2006 08:22 AM (wkRws)

44 Ah gregturd, you don't disappoint! I can never make half as good a case
as you do to show why you should be taken out and hanged from an
overpass for being a piece of shit dhimmi traitor. Does your muslim
boyfriend let you dress up like a goat as reward for being such a good
little bitch?

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 01, 2006 08:24 AM (v3I+x)

45 So Jeff, by your line of thinking if you buy Petrol or pay taxes (some of that money goes to purchasing middle east oil for government use, and some of it goes to the middle east in huge aid packets) then we're ALL terrorists since some of that trickles to the badguys?

I don't think going "well, I support the tactic" but then not actively contributing anything to it makes a person just as bad as the terrorists; just an idiot.  You may also inadvertantly do a few of those things without realizing it (like my financing example above).  Providing leadership and planning (Osama and Al Sadr) should get you ganked for terrorist activities. 

Spiritual support would depend on how far that starts to go into a leadership role since any nutjob could take the words of any religious leader and twist them to be spiritual support for violence.  If a Christian priest gives a sermon on the differences between the Old Testement and New, quoting Leviticus 20:13 as an example on how the Old Testament is less tolerant, then one of their flock goes and blows up a gay bar does it then make it exactly the same as that priest did that?  I think not.  Now if that same priest used that same passage in a sermon that was intended to get his churchmembers to kill homosexuals then he is at least guilty of conspiracy to commit those murders; which is basically what Osama and Sadr do on the spiritual end of things.

Posted by: Ranba Ral at November 01, 2006 10:15 AM (VvXII)

46 Greg the Goat. I think that about descibes him, Maxie. Cross animal dresser he is. A queer cross animal dresser being serviced by a misogynist.

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 01, 2006 10:30 AM (rUyw4)

47 To the author of Comment 45 above. You are one sick excuse making turd. They don't equate and piss on mohammed who started your gutter religion.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 01, 2006 10:50 AM (ZzIWW)

48 Von Nostro,

I'm not a bigot, some of my best friends are "Progressive idiots who think Chomsky has something useful to say".

QED

Posted by: Rusty at November 01, 2006 11:08 AM (JQjhA)

49 Greyrooster,



Seriously try finding a new meme.   That 'you disagreed with something
I think, even if its only on a small detail, so you're a muslim and subhuman' copypasta is
just as repetative and moronic as the KosKids' and gets a little old. 
I mean, hell, my buddy's wife's class of 'developmentally challenged'
13 year olds sling more inventive, intelligent, and relevant insults at
each other.

Posted by: Ranba Ral at November 01, 2006 01:49 PM (VvXII)

50 I tend to shotgun my emotions, so I am quite capable of saying something kneejerk.

Maybe we need to give this a little thought? I am oppossed to Violent Jihadi's, and those who supply them, or encourage them. I also don't care for Tim McVeigh or any who cheer his crime.

We know McVeigh is an exception, where Jihad is the Islamic rule. Even Greg must have stuck his nose into a Quran, or the Hadith.

We also know that Wafa Sultan, Nonie Darwish, Walid Shoebat and others like them, show that the violence is offensive to at least some Muslims. I belive the three named changed faiths, but they started as Muslims. They could see, and react to forces working indside their prior religion.

Michelle Leslie is a muslim model in Australia. She has taken heat from Muslim orthodoxy regarding her swimsuit/underwear poses. I don't think she likes radicals either.

Eva Roslan is another model
"She started modelling at 16, after getting permission from her Muslim parents. I actually did ask my parents because it was important that they approved, Roslan says."
"Roslan say she is very OK with swimwear and underwear and her father is OK with that, too. He understands that a model has a job, that you are being paid to work and that the things you wear, that is your job."

And a guy would have to be dead not to appreciate Yasmeen Ghauri !!!

"The father of supermodel Yasmeen Ghauri, who was born in Canada in 1971, also disapproved of her profession. Moin Ghauri is a former imam of the Islamic community of Quebec."
"Yasmeen Ghauri has said she tried to become a devout Muslim, particularly after she once visited Saudi Arabia, where women are not allowed to drive or show any flesh. I thought, ‘OK, OK, I’m going to be really religious, I’m going to cut off school, I’m going to cover my head and everything.’ Then I woke up and said: ‘This is ridiculous, I haven’t gone to hell.’ "

So if I believe (which I do ...) that most Muslims are to entrenched in the idea of Jihad, for us to avoid a long global war with them, that doesn't mean I believe they are all out to destroy western culture, or spread violence.

How exactly would that help Yasmeen?

Guys, check the coolant in your radiator, then see what I mean for yourselves. Its not p-orn so don't worry.

http://www.yasmeen-ghauri.com/talk/articles/model-muslims/

Click on 'walls'

Consider it cultural research. Then plot Jihadist destruction, as we must...

USA all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at November 01, 2006 03:19 PM (2OHpj)

51

Greggie:

Every mosque on the planet instructs its followers that jihad is a muslim's "holy" duty, and that's a fact.

Who's really full of shit?

Produce an imam who disagrees with me. While you're at it, produce a leftist with a functioning brain, an honest Marxist, and a democrat who puts his country ahead of his wretched party.

It must be hard to breathe with your head wedged so far up your ass.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 01, 2006 09:08 PM (bLPT+)

52

Ranbal Wrote:

"So Jeff, by your line of thinking if you buy Petrol or pay taxes (some of that money goes to purchasing middle east oil for government use, and some of it goes to the middle east in huge aid packets) then we're ALL terrorists since some of that trickles to the badguys?"

This paragraph is nonsensical. It doesn't reflect my statement in any way, shape or form. It doesn't even qualify as sophistry. I do not buy gasoline to aid terrorists. There is absolutely no equivalence between me and someone who deliberately aids terrorists by funding, arming, sheltering, mentoring, training, cheeerleading, and praising them. To claim otherwise is just plain stupid.

Knowingly and deliberately supporting the tactic of terrorism most certainly is just as bad as carrying out the act. Both the perpetrator and the supporter are working towards the same goal.

Spiritual support of terrorists means supporting their terrorist acts and using islam to justify them, and to command that they be carried out. Giving a sermon that is misinterpreted by a terrorist is not the same as supporting a terrorist. Your silly analogy with Christianity was both predictable and specious.

I need to educate you about Leviticus as well. Christian bashers always misinterpret what is written there. The book of Leviticus describes daily life in the long extinct tribe of Leviticus. The social practices it described did not then, or at any other time since then, apply to any other group outside of the former tribes of Israel. It was never meant as a commandment for others to kill homosexuals, and it is not interpreted as such by any Church on the planet.

Your analogy is specious (again.)

Islam does command that homosexuals be killed, and that is an islamic tradition that has been practiced since the cult was spawned 1400 years ago.

Your anti-Christian bigotry is misplaced, and based on ignorance. Christian bashing always is.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 01, 2006 09:29 PM (bLPT+)

53 Ranbal is just another example of you can take these animals off their camels and teach them to read and write to no avail. They are still backward shits. Only difference is we trained them to use western technology. Which as it turns out was mistake. Should have left them eating grasshoppers cooking on camel dung fires. OUTLAW ISLAM. Islam should not be a part of civilized society.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 01, 2006 10:59 PM (cNF2m)

54 Jeff, try reading this one.  I even bolded my points to reduce what I think is the problem we're having here.  You never qualified point 1 with deliberately funded in your earlier post.  After re-reading your post I can see that it was implied.

The general point of the entire post was that without making more refined stated distinctions someone could twist your definition as stated to say just about anyone is a terrorist. I'm sorry that I presumed you'd pick up that implied point.  Actually, after re-reading it I can see how you didn't catch that.  I don't know how those other points are specious within that context.  I also picked what I saw to be as the biggies (leadership/spiritual support) in your definition to show that Osama would be classified as a terrorist my definition despite your earlier assertion otherwise.

"I do not buy gasoline to aid terrorists. There is absolutely no
equivalence between me and someone who deliberately aids terrorists" 
Which was my aimed for point in that paragraph and part of the next. (see: "You may also inadvertantly do a few of those things without realizing it"; meaning intent and knowledge matters, 'you' being collective)

"Spiritual support of terrorists means supporting their terrorist acts
and using islam to justify them, and to command that they be carried
out."

That's funny because this is what I was getting at with the spiritual support as leadership point.  Notice where I said "Osama and Sadr"?  Should I have listed the whole bunch of them to illustrate the point? Should I have gone even further and listed the major leaders of other religious groups, like the Pope, and how this isn't the case with them?

A lone nutter using his own screwed up take on what his religion's leadership says is still spiritual support in his own mind if not in yours.  You'd better keep this point (italicized underlined and bolded so nobody misses what I'm referring to) in mind as it is extrapolated by many on the left to mean "if a person quotes a religious souce from religion X for their course of actions then all religion X uses this as spiritual support for this action".  A position you are seemingly ascribing to me with the biggot and bashing comment because I dared use a hypothetical based on Christianity (more on that next paragraph).  This is line of thinking is how they get to things like "all christians are terrorists, because a
few of them used twisted theology as an excuse to blow up abortion
clinics 20+ years ago".  They then use this thought process as motivation to shut down public religious iconography and speech while claming church/state violations as the legal grounds.  We're only seeing it with Christianity for now.  This is a very common idea that is expressed when the issue of religion or radicalism comes up in class discussions, and you know what?  I'm usually the one defending religious expression because I believe in the constiution and think there is a difference between the lone nutter seeing support and true institutionalized support.  Many of the other young adults today don't.  I presumed that most people on the internet would think the same way as the tards in class, possibly wrongly, so I attempted illustrating what spiritual support would mean to me using a hypothetical scenario.

Thanks for the education on Leviticus, but I already knew what Leviticus says in context.  I chose it to construct a hypothetical situation (note: as in conjectural, an example to illustrate a point that is not necissarily real but could be in certain conditions) for the very reason you cite: it is often taken out of context.  I would think this would tend to increase the chances (note: chance, not actual occurance) of it being used for wrong, making the hyopthetical situation more plausible.  I would have referenced the theology and texts of other religions instead to make the hypothetical but I've never read those texts in their entirety or much about other theologies.  End result: I stuck with what I was familiar with.  I fail to see how constructing a hypothetical situation based on what I know over what I don't is bashing of and biggotry against the former, especially since I said the hypothetical preist and Christianity should not be held accountable for the hypothetical lone nutter getting it wrong.  I had the evil priest be Christian for the same reason I had the good preist be Christian.  Did you miss all this or did you just see "Leviticus" and "homosexual" and skip down while assuming I just resorted to the meme of "Leviticus says kill gays so Christians are evil"?

"It was never meant as a commandment for others to kill homosexuals, and
it is not interpreted as such by any Church on the planet."
Thus the reason it was hypothetical scenario.

Maybe I just tried to do too much in too little space and it got jumbled.

I'm actually a bit saddened you felt you had to stoop to the level of calling me a biggot.  Until that point we had been civil to each other.

Greyrooster:  I've never even seen a cammel in anything other than a picture or a zoo. Kinda hard to otherwise since my family's been here in the States since about 1910 (Germany/Scotland) on one side and the late 1600's (England/Ireland/Scotland) on the other.  Anyone else ever notice Rooster has this obsession with cammels?  Maybe he's projecting some sort of twisted Freudian desire. /end trollbaiting

Posted by: Ranba Ral at November 02, 2006 04:05 AM (VvXII)

55 Please don't get Rambo all riled up! We just don't have enough band-width for another novel.

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at November 02, 2006 01:23 PM (Dd86v)

56 Ranba Ral:
 
A person who patronizes a business such as a gas station that may have secret ties to terrorism is not funding terrorism. If the business provides money to the terrorist organization, the business is guiltyof funding terrorism. Not the consumer. Your point is specious.
 
The problem we're having here is that you claimed that there is no equivalency between pro terrorists and terrorists--basically, between the people who want terrorism to be committed and the people who physically commit it. There most certainly is an equivalence. Both parties are equally responsible, as Osama Bin Laden effectively proves.
 
Your comment about spiritual support is convoluted and bizzare. A "lone nutter" cant be equated with an imam who orders his followers to commit acts of terrorism in the name of his religion. Just who do you assume the "lone nutter" is providing spiritual support for? Your claim that he's providing it for himself is ridiculous. Spiritual support is given to others through scripture and preaching, not to one's self through violent acts.
 
Your comment about abortion clinics was predictable. The people who murdered abortion doctors and nurses did so to punish them for commiting what they rightly believe is murder, specifically infanticide. They did not do so to terrorize them or anybody else, and they were not following the commands of Christian theology or their Churches. Leftists do not hate Christianity because of abortion clinic bombings. They hate it because Christians dare to disagree with their Marxist social engineering program. They portray Christians as trying to control society because they are actually resisting leftist attempts to control every aspect of society. Leftists are not known for their brain power.
 
Listing Leviticus as a possible inspiration for a lone nutter is bigotry. Lone nutters can draw their motivations from any source whatsoever. Singling out Christianity was a bigoted act, despite your disclaimers. Surely you know that the left uses Leviticus to try and demonize Christianity on a regular basis. The abortion clinic bombings is another of their favorites. I am thankful that you didn't bring up Timothy McViegh, who is usually next on the list.
 
I like you based on your comments on this blog, but you're wrong about terrorist supporters and the harmful nature of using Christianity in hypothetical comments about terrorism. Quite frankly, hypothetical scenarios have no place in a discussion about reality.
 
No hard feelings.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 03, 2006 01:10 AM (bLPT+)

57 Please don't set Jeff off! We just don't have enough band-width for another novel.

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at November 03, 2006 12:40 PM (Dd86v)

58 Jeff, I admit my points are a bit unorganized. I'm writing these posts between classes and research for a 30+ and several 15+ page research papers.  It's also somewhat due to basing it on my experience in arguing with the moonbats, which has been a verbal argument so far.  This is the first time I've ever written any of it down, so it's very off the cuff. 

It seems from my discussions that the older leftists are just saying the point I was making about their ideas on spiritual support and past Christian executed attacks and the younger ones actually seem to believe it.  McVeigh was a terrorist, but he was agnostic, so why would I use him in the context of a Christian potentially taking terrorist action? (note: I know the left frequently IDs him as Christian, but I wasn't willing to go that far).

I guess we differ on our underlying assumption of verbal support is equivalent to the act itself based on personal history.  I have first hand experience in how one can support something verbally and not actually condone it.  Starting in grade 6 I was the constant target of physical bullying and found myself supporting the bullies verbally or ignoring their actions against others just to avoid an after-school jumping myself.  I was not the only person to do this.  This continued until halfway through grade 9, when I'd been in Civil Air Patrol long enough to be physically fit enough to fight back an win, and proud enough in myself to convince myself that it would be worth it to do so. 

Given how myself and so many others I know were cowed by just threats of a quick beating I can imagine how threats of death if you stray could affect someone, especially if it has been going on for decades (based on the advent of modern terrorism, over a millenium if you want to start at the Ridda Wars or Muhammad's campaigns).  It might also be why I support the idea of the war, even if certain aspects of how are being bungled (e.g. not popping Al Sadr and his goons), since it took a strong outside influence to give me the physical and mental power to start taking care of the problem myself.

Posted by: Ranba Ral at November 03, 2006 02:38 PM (VvXII)

59 Ranba Ral:
 
The verbal support you gave the bullies wasn't genuine. You didn't really support their actions, and I'm sure you actually detested them. It's not the same thing. Terrorist supporters support terrorists because they want them to succeed.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 03, 2006 09:53 PM (bLPT+)

60 Last Gulp Larry:
 
I guess that last jizz swallow choked you up a bit. You're obviously afraid of my comments. Pussy.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 03, 2006 09:54 PM (bLPT+)

61 If you smell like a camel and talk like a camel you're a camel jockey.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 04, 2006 09:18 PM (cNF2m)

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