1 Debbie Schlussel is just going batshit crazy about  this! What the hell is up with that? Is she insane and nobody bothered to tell me?

2 The difference here is that Ted owns up to his faults, unlike so many others.

Most of the comments on Deb's blog are from sycophants mewling for approval. 

FETE.

3 Ted is the first concert I ever went to in 1981 at the Assembly Hall at the University of Illinois.  He came swinging down on a rope in snake skin boots and a loin cloth.  I was so impressed as a 19 year old.  God Bless him.

4 My mom was pregnant with me in 67.  I asked her one about how that must have been cool, summer of love and all. She said she was scared to death, "It looked like the whole world was crazy, I  was really worried that you would not have a future."

Yeah Nugent rocks, he is telling you the truth. 

5 I like Ted: He's a guitarist/I'm a guitarist; He hunts/I hunt (He was down here for a antelope bow hunt just a few months back), and you can't help but admire the guy for being a clean rocker, but some of us simply enjoy twisting up a fatty and getting a nice buzz on (Though that's a once or twice a year deal for me anymore). There's no "underbelly" to it: It's no different than drinking a few beers, but there are no carbs and you can pass a breathalyzer test.

The drug laws in this country are outrageously antiquated. Well, they would be, except for the fact that in olden times drugs were legal, of course.

Drug laws are all about shysters making money and pigs having something to do, and every argument for drug laws is nothing but propaganda from those two camps.

And I - for some reason - side with the conservatives most of the time.

WTF-ever. I guess libertarians ARE just conservative dopers.

You have your poster boy.

6 Drugs were the deaths of JANICE JOPPLIN and JIMMY HENDRICKS and remember the inamous TIMOTHY LEARY the real freak WHY DO YOU THINK THEY CALL IT DOPE?

7 Meth dealers need 20 to life, first offense!  Pot and booze are the same threat except that now some pot is laced with meth to hook you on that. If pot were legal, I'd still be against it, as I am against booze, but allowing pot to be legally profitable then taxing and regulating it would keep it out of the hands of criminals. As for meth, I have no mercy.   Happy Fourth! Happy Independence Day!
                       USA, all the way!

8 meth is just plain evil.

9 As a conservative, I have always felt that if they legalized pot and taxed it, they could wipe out the national debt or say, pay back Social Security.  It is middle America's dirty little secret.

10 Ted cracks me up.

11 I saw the Nuge a few times back in the 70s...He surely put on a high energy show....those of us that were high were amazed that he wasnt....from what I can recall. ;-\

1 but but but....Christianity didn't give us the number 'zero'...

2 Christianity gave us the Knight Templar.  Hardly pacifist dhimmi types.

3 ps., according to Robert Kaplan in "Imperial Grunts", today conservative christians are overrepresented in the U.S. armed forces, including the special forces.  So don't mistake christianity for a religion of dhimmis.  Christians have been forgiven for their sins-- unlike Liberals-- so we don't go walking around feeling all guilty like they.  The dhimmitude isn't coming from christianity, it's coming from Liberalism, which comes from Marxism-- not christianity.

4 Despite the positive impacts Christianity has had in the past, the current result is that Christians tend to be rather useless in a real fight. Islam will dominate simply because Christians are too peaceful.

5 Conservative christians are overrepresented in the U.S. military, particularly the special forces.  That's hardly useless in a real fight.

6 As far as the Military is concerned. During peace time the cream doesn't rise to the top. The politicians do.

7 oops

1 Just goes to prove a theory I've always held dear ... that booze-soaked war apologists can be well-spoken if not well reasoned.

2 Good Lt.,
Hitchens is also one of  "the most eloquent and knowledgeable of all" anti-Mullah anti-Islamic-Republic people, my disagreement with his atheistic views notwithstanding. :-)

3 Yes - we all know that noted war critics like Sean Penn and Ted Kennedy are models of sobriety, integrity, historical context and rhetorical flourish. Rosie O'Donnell is a scholar and a professor of linguistics, as is Michael Moore and Markos "Screw them" Moulitsas Zuniga.

Nice ad hominem, though. Really, it was. Can't argue with the substance of the point, attack the messenger.

4 Garduneh,

You probably already knew this but I didn't.  Christopher has a brother, Peter, who is a Christian opposed to the war.  I guess they have publicly debated about faith on occasion.  I read an article by Peter a few days ago reviewing his brother's book God Is Not Great.  Hopefully, they can convert each other.

5 I would have though you could have come up with a stronger way to defend your opinions of Hitchens than pointing out that others are booze-soaked as well.

Even so, does nothing to alter the fact that he's a booze-soaked aplogist who's reasoning has been shot down umpteen times in the recent past, by better than himself-- rhetorical flourishes not withstanding.

6 I get the concept of being PWNed,  But call me stupid,  what is its actual definition?  What is the acronym?

7 Free paris Hilton. Save her from low classed poor beggers. Judge going to lose this one.

8 With such powerfull intelectuals on the side of the pro war forces one has to be amazed that the overwhelming majority of Americans no longer can support the war.

9 "John Ryan" (a.k.a. Mullahcracy's mouth piece)
Your Mo-slime kind cann't help being pathetic sore loser, can you?
 heh heh heh heh :->>

And "Sharm",
Nice job exposing yourself as a Mullahcracy agent!
It won't be long now before you and "John Ryan" Qolam-Ali Tazi  your benefactors are disposed of and you'll lose your source of  income. Heh heh heh heh :->>

10 birdhurd -

"pwned" is a humorous and intentional misspelling of the word "owned."

See more here, from the Urban Dictionary.

b-

a booze-soaked aplogist (sic)

...who regularly rends your tiny-minded leftwing bullsh*t eight ways from Sunday while you try to ignore him. You can't argue with his logic without defending/rationalizing/excusing Islamic murderers, Islamic terrorists and Islamic war on the West.

Did you catch him wreaking complete and utter pwnage on one of the "intellectuals" you no doubt think "shoots down his reasoning?" The scrub is so devastated at the end of this debate that he is rendered speechless. Go ahead - watch it.

who's reasoning has been shot down umpteen times in the recent past, by better than himself

By who, exactly? Keith Olberloon?

His reasoning, based entirely on irrefutable historical fact, international law and a working knowledge (as opposed to an emotion) of modern world history, UN and NATO resolutions,

Cite one fact he got wrong.

11 Thank you very much Mr Good Lt.
 
I f I see ya around town , I'll buy you a beer.  Im in the Philly area too.

12 Garduneh,

I think you read my conversion comment the opposite was intended.  I meant that Christopher could convert Peter on the war and Peter could convert him to Christianity.  I didn't realize the opposite effect.

13 birdhurd -

Deal.

14 "...the overwhelming majority of Americans no longer can support the war."

It's such an "overwhelming" majority that the Dems (who were allegedly elected to stop the war) can't bring themselves to stop funding the war, LOL.

15 Hitchens is as always, excellent at dealing with tangible realities.  Thanks for posting this!                      USA, all the way!

16 Mehr I am a buddhist not a muslim have been for over 40 years.

My main source of income his forestry management, although there is a corelation between that and the surge in oil prices it doesn't really have an effect on my sense of reality

The heh heh heh laughter at your own wit must be a carry over from a different culture.

17

When you meet Buddha on the road do you kill him?         

                                         USA, all the way!

18 When is the Jawa going to get serious about more important issues? Have you not heard of the Pwning of Pwris?!? I demand action!

19 >>>>> ..who regularly rends your tiny-minded leftwing bullsh*t eight ways from Sunday while you try to ignore him.

Not true at all as far as I’m concerned. He rarely says anything I haven’t heard before. He just repackages it in a Buckleyesque tone that sounds good to the uninformed.

>>>>>>> You can't argue with his logic without defending/rationalizing/excusing Islamic murderers, Islamic terrorists and Islamic war on the West.

Yes, I can. We have no right, no duty, no legal or moral high-ground in which to intervene in a nation on anyone’s behalf, especially if it does not serve our national interest. We went in to Iraq almost, repeat almost, solely on the basis of our national interest — not under the auspices of a humanitarian mission as was stated in Somalia and Kosovo, but as a protection from WMD, “mushroom clouds” and a rogue regime.

Since that time, the threat was deemed not as great as originally thought. Slowly, but with great care, the rationale morphed into this great humanitarian effort against a genocidal dictator, with the “spreading of democracy” as an added corollary. This transparent effort has been aided by water-carriers like Hitchens and to a minuscule degree, fellows like yourself. Meanwhile, the Iraq War has become al-Queda’s recruiting tool of choice. It’s not about defending, rationalizing, or excusing Islamic extremists; their acts speak for themselves. As far as the civilian populace goes—you know, the ones we’re there for—we’ve traded in Saddam Hussein for the Islamic Army and al-Queda It’s about what the US can truly expect to effect as an outcome just because we have a large standing military.

>>>>>>> By who, exactly? Keith Olberloon?

Puh-lease. Hitchens gets regularly spanked by Ian Parker of the New Yorker (one article entitled "How did Hitchens become a 'Lying, Self-Serving, Fat-Assed, Chain-Smoking, Drunken, Opportunistic, Cynical Contrarian' is a favorite) and Peter Beinart called him a “a former pinko who has become the master of misdirection and the straw man argument in service of the right.”

>>>>>> His reasoning, based entirely on irrefutable historical fact ... cite one fact he got wrong.

Hitchens rarely gets his facts wrong; he's not fool enough to make that mistake publicly. But so what: it's the conclusions he draws from those facts that are almost always flawed, hopelessly optimistic and ill-reasoned.

Case in point, in late 1994-early '95, Hitchens position was this:

"I think that the United States and coalition forces are not militarily defeatable in Iraq .... Unless the United States chooses to be defeated in Iraq, it cannot be. Therefore, the insurgency, so-called, will be defeated."

That turned out to be not true these two-and-a-half years later. His facts are correct, the US cannot be defeated militarily. That is a foregone conclusion and I didn't need Christopher Hitchens to tell me that the world's foremost military arsenal could not be defeated by insurgents. But as others voices have said since before the invasion and Supreme Commander David Petraeus had made a point of most recently, this war cannot and will never be won militarily. It will be won, if at all, politically. So Hitchens fact that we cannot LOSE militarily is irrelevant in a war that cannot be WON militarily.

20 Pwris?! here ya go! With my complements!   
           http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k66epna2Sss&NR=1                                   USA, all the way!

21

tbone, I have to partly agree with you.  I think the war is an important issue, but the only battle that I feel can't be 'won' is trying to reason with people who are totally entrenched in DOGMA.  I don't think you one of those, so your OK                     

                                   USA, all the way!

22 M.W. Thanks, you're not so bad yourself (lot of love today on the Jawa, GR must be getting ready to go out on the boat) and that video was priceless!

23 Mehr I am a buddhist

Of course you are.  Why am I not surprised.  It's the "hip" religion to be, and Libturds are oh so hip.  LOL.

24 "the most eloquent and knowledgeable of all Iraq war supporters."

An eloquent fool is still a fool.

25 I particularly liked the part where Jimmy the peanut farmers stupidity in the Iraq/Iran war in exposed.
 
 
 
 
B: Jerkoff. How do you know the war cannot be won militarily? We haven't made any attempt to solve it militarily. We are posing as cops in a silly police action which does little but keep the enemy busy attempting to kill our troops driving around the country. Iraq could be brought under control if we really put the hammer down. But is that what we really want?

26

Tbone: Greyrooster has been out fishing for several days. Got back yesterday PM. Are you two going to start sending valentines to each other.

 

 

 

 

FREE PARIS AND OUTLAW ISLAM

27 How do you know the war cannot be won militarily?

Because hundreds of military and foreign policy experts--including David Petreaus--, commander of ALL forces in Iraq, SAY publicly it cannot be won militarily. But maybe they should be calling a putz like you to get the real story.

We haven't made any attempt to solve it militarily.

What, oh, what in the fuck are you talking about you muddle-headed idiot?

1 Che is nothing like the insane leftists we have here, he had balls. Other than that he was just another dirty commie.

2 Another Danny (nappy headed ho) Glover hero.

3 IIRC, In Che's own woids [diary] he admits clipping peasant folk just to reach his ends.   He was a good heartless commie rat bastard.

4 Gayrooster sucked Che's dick during a Trilateral meeting at the Bohemian Grove.

5 Ron Paul!

6 Good post Lt.

7 Regis DeBray...remember him?

8 Darth Fags' mother: Sucks Al Sharpton's dick every morning. Birds of a feather.

9 Che appeals to all the Libs who never grew out of their childhoood rebelliousness against Mommy and Daddy (which is most of them).

1 Let us remember

Juno beach          The Dominion of Canada
Sword beach       Great Britain
Gold beach          Great Britain
Utah beach        United States of America
Omaha  beach    United States of America

2

If we tried an attack like that today some asswipe in the Pentagon would surely leak the battle plan to the NYT. And in the infinite wisdom the Times would display it for the whole world to see.

3 This is not only D-Day but also the date in 1942 when the U.S. Navy defeated the japanese navy in the BATTLE OF MIDWAY we sank four of the six carriers that had luanched at PEARL HARBOR

4 A day doubly worth remembering then.  To all the allied forces I say Thank You!  USA, and friends, all the way!

5 Amen. I get annoyed though when I think that these brave men  saved Britain, only to have the muslims invade it later on by stealth.

1 How's about actually providing examples of how she's wrong? And don't forget to cite your sources my goose-stepping little friends.

2 BTW... have you guys seen Jessica Lynch's tesitmony? When are you planning on smearing her?

http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/04/pvt_lynch_blast.html

3 The enemies among us are strong. Trying to break down our resolve. Sadly, Congress is leading the charge. The leakers of classified info have a pretty strong foothold as they are still leaking. The MSM gladly obliges them. I would like to require each Congressman and Senator to lurk on terrorist and terrorist supporters websites just for ONE day. That is all it takes to convince anyone that America is not to blame. I myself have been stocking up on needed supplies (hope I don't need them) after hearing all this stupid garbage from Harry Reid. Last thing I heard today on FNC is that Harry is going to cut off all funding for the troops. Reason? Bush is in denial. No, Reid is in denial and dammit if this happens I hope he is the first one the radical islamist go after.

4 John, why would we smear Jessica Lynch? The MSM is responsible for what they reported about her. That is how honest they are, they only care about a story even if they need to invent something to make it more readible. Right now jobs are being cut as I speak as they are losing their credibility to the public as the public is tired of hearing "fake" news.

5 Okay John, do we need to go through this again? Fascism is type of government, with real world historic examples.  The word "fascism" thus has a real meaning, and it cannot be properly used in the context which the guardian (here, Naomi Wolf) has done, namely "a type of government which we don't like."

When it comes to statist governments which intrude on personal liberty (in the economic, political, religious, or whatever sense), the Europeans have them in spades.  Europe has no legitimate "freedom of the press."  Europe has no freedom of contract.  European governments dominate the corporations.  Those are all characteristics of fascism which we see in spades in Europe, but which are remarkable absent in America.

"..the dark night of fascism is always descending in the United States and yet lands only in Europe."
-Tom Wolfe

6 Dude. The msm reported what they were told by the Pentagon. That's the whole point of these inquiries dummy. Fuck you guys are retarded.

And Wooga... go read a dictionary.

7 John, of course the MSM said that. Apparantly you are very guilible.

8 And don't forget to cite your sources my goose-stepping little friends.

Which part of National Socialism do you and your Socialist friends get confused on Herr John.

And Wooga... go read a dictionary.

Wooga owned your ass you illiterate terrorist lover. And if you want to know what fascism means one would be better educated by a political text rather than a dictionary. Fuck you very much.

9 ...a steady stream of lies polluting the news well.

That pretty much describes the MSM.

10 my favorite part is likening of conservatives to fascists - national SOCIALIST party. Is that just me or is every truth twister calling others what he himself is?

11 Is that just me or is every truth twister calling others what he himself is?

Where do you think they came up with the name "Truther" movement?

12  I copied the article to a file called "Idiot accusations of fascism"  so I can reference it again.  It helps me understand the twisted nature of the enemy to read what they write.   And as for 'media' being used by totalitarians, it seems to me there is a lot of history where stable, and fairly polite governments found themselves being pamphletered to death by left wing extremeists who when THEY DID TAKE OVER decided to shoot lots of people. When media is used to spread lies, IT CAN KILL PEOPLE!  'John' is a modern pamphletier, as may be proven by following up on his 'claims' and doing some of your own fact checking. It's time consuming, but it will help you realize what a waste of time most of his rants actually are!                     
                                               
                          USA, all the way! 

13 "The dark night of fascism is always descending in the United States and yet lands only in Europe"

--Tom Wolfe


John, go **** yourself.

14 And Wooga... go read a dictionary.

John,

Pick a dictionary.  I'm sure that under whatever definition you find, countries like, say, France, will best America on all counts in the race to fascism.

Me, I'll stick to reading books without pictures.

15 That was about 5 seconds in google, by the way...

16 From BoingboingFascist America, in 10 easy steps
Naomi
Wolf wrote an essay about the ten steps a corrupt government takes to
create a fascist state, and provides examples of what the Bush
administration is doing to fulfill the requirements of each step. Some
of Wolf's examples are quite a stretch, but others are spot on.

1 Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy

2 Create a gulag

3 Develop a thug caste

4 Set up an internal surveillance system

5 Harass citizens' groups

6 Engage in arbitrary detention and release

7 Target key individuals

8 Control the press

9 Dissent equals treason

10 Suspend the rule of law

17 Basically, what you guys have going on down there is what I would call "fascist lite"

18 eh, then you could argue that any social and political system that isn't like teletubbies 24/7 (that is to say, all of them) is fascist lite.

19 10 easy steps
Naomi
Wolf wrote an essay about the ten steps a corrupt government takes to
create a fascist state

Again, fuckhead, just because you make up a list of attributes for something does not make it "fascist." "Fascism" means certain things, and doesn't mean other things. Naomi Wolf simply recycled some earlier truther trash which picks 10 things they don't like about America, and then says those make it fascist.  That's like me saying the Oakland Raiders are like the Nazi SS, because they utilized a skull symbol to strike fear in their opponents.  Sure it's a common attribute, and ripe for criticism, but it has nothing to do with "fascism."

Tell me John, where is the disarmament of the population?  Where is the government seizure of corporate property? Where are the blasphemy laws?  Where are the opposition leaders being thrown in jail?  Where are the media outlets being seized by the government?  Where is the government endorsement of leader worship?  Where do the leaders blame their failings on the joos?

Oh yeah, those are what made Germany fascist in the 30s, and those are what is going on in present day Venezuela, Cuba, Iran, Zimbabwe, Russia...  but not America.  Funny.

20 John, your Canada is more fascist than the USA, what with your outlawing certain religious speech, outlawing freedom of contract for healthcare, outlawing the bearing of arms, and rampant sodomy. 

21 Basically, what you guys have going on down there is what I would call "fascist lite"

Basically, what you are doing is "thinking lite".

22 John, you're pure slime--a screwball left wing kook, worse than Jack Layton (coward), and Stephane Dion (a dual-citizenship moron and wimp).  You are a moral idiot--and a very dangerous person in a world where terrorism is real, and the enemy plain...but you can't see it because you are a first-class moral idiot.

Again, go **** yourself!

23 I find it funny that so many people allied with or on the left have no sense of irony.
 
Protesters, in broad daylight in front of the sniper-guarded White House, call bush a fascist and Hitler without the slightest worry that they may die in a prison camp. George Soros writes an article seen around the world that is highly critical of Israel, saying that the Jews have stifled criticism of Israel. The press writes frequent articles in globally read newspapers saying that the press is under Bushitler's thumb. Muslims hold frequent speaking arrangements in highly visible public venues to say that there is a conspiracy by the omnipotent Jews and the government to suppress Muslim freedoms. People in all branches of government from Congress to the CIA to Education to State to Justice to Defense publicly screech that they've been "silenced", claiming in public without even a remote fear of being arrested that we live in a police state.
 
Is it just me, or are the people complaining about their speech being suppressed always the ones bitching the loudest?

24 But Lehosh. Your using logic for liberals. Logic just doesn't  jive with emotions.

25

Lehosh, Right On!  but it won't make any sense to the left, because they are incapable of true critical thinking. 
And about John and 'fascism lite'.  As a comic book collector, I learned that Canada has some mean censorship laws. It affects which magazines we can export across the border to the north. I eventually learned this extends to which video tapes, or DVD's can go up there.

OR what gets imported from Japan! Anime gets 'edited' for the Canadian market! These laws have been used to prosecute, and convict Canadian citizens, such as one experimental film maker, on "obscenity" charges that pretty much ruined his life. He had some digital special effects, simulated violence, and partial nudity!

Big Whoop!

Down here you can find the real stuff, not that I'm saying it's good ... but it IS more free!  I mean jeepers! If Ragnar puts up a beheading vid, on his blog, he is already pushing the limits well past where this other guy went! Nudity, and violence that IS REAL!

And don't we all love how the 'fascist' Canadian health care system lets people go without important treatment if they exceed some arbitrary quota for a type of surgery?  Well it happens y'know?

ANYWAY, I LIKE CANADA ......... I'M JUST PICKING ON JOHN ..... OK?  No system of government is perfect.  But everything would seem a little more perfect if an asteroid fell out of the sky directly on John's head! It wouldn't kill him though ...

USA, all the way!

26 Oh good grief.

You guys are such braindead zombies that you can't see that most "liberals" agree that radical Islam is dangerous, but we disagree on how to handle it.

Seeing as how everything Bush has done to date has only made things worse, you have demonstrated how out of touch with reality you are.

Ah well... no surprise there. Most of you guys probably still think that Zeus... sorry I should have said "God" created the world in six days.

Just because you believe something doesn't mean it's true.

Speaking of which... have you guys seen any of the stuff on how your goverment totally lied about Pat Tillman's death so that it could use him as a propaganda tool?

27 Just because you believe something doesn't mean it's true.

Hey, John had a moment of clarity!  So, will you admit that you were wrong about America being more fascist than, say, Canada?

28 Fine, John, what you said is the unvarnished gospel. Bush is fascist and everyone who says otherwise is just bespelled by the dark sorcerer Karl "Cthulhu" Rove. Sit down Hitler, Boosh is here to show you how its done.
 
How could we not see it? I'm sure, when screaming at the top of their lungs, all those senators, congressmen, bureaucrats, CIA agents, veterans, staff, journalists, teachers, college professors, scientists, soldiers, actors, producers, mayors, governors, students, protesters, activists, house wives, hippies, and civil rights leaders are just petrified with mortal terror that at any moment during their openly public, widely reported, globally televised, and broadly unimpeded rallys, statements, lectures, press conferences, and advertisements, that the Bushiburton Gestapo will take them off to the gas chamber.
 
What brave, brave people they are.

29 Joseph Wilson and Valerie Plame were executed.  You just didn't hear about it because Bush controls the Press.  Duh!

30 John,

Given temporal distrotion as explained by relativity, it's quite possible the earth, and even the entire universe was created in 6 days.  It just depends on how close to a gravity well you happen to be when you start and finish your time measurment (farther from gravity means time passes faster).

31

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1 As usial the liberals prefer to blame the guns and those who make them istead of laying the blame on not only their person who did the shooting but these stupid gun free zones brought up by our former dictator BILL CLINTON

2 Liberals who wish to control or abolish guns makes about as much sense as casinos who wish to regulate who can gamble or whether gambling should be allowed at all. History has shown us time and again that gun control and the abolishment of gun ownership ultimately leads to governmental control of the citizenry and when the wrong person takes power in a country devoid of citizen owned firearms, only your god can help you. The liberties of the Liberals will be the first casualty of a government in control of its citizens who cannot defend themselves from possible tearny or, via armed insurrection, throw off the shackles of a government run amuck . In essence, the Liberal mentality is to take away or restrict ownership of the very device which insures their liberties are protected. When did logic and reason die only to be replaced by fallacious ignorance?

1 Comment on race of veterns;  Donald Miller you suck.

1 Six people died in that bombing:
John DiGiovanni, of Valley Stream,
N.Y., a salesman parking his car in the WTC garage;
Wilfredo Mercado,
of Brooklyn, N.Y., an employee of the Windows on the World restaurant;

and four Port Authority employees –
Robert Kirkpatrick, of Suffern,
N.Y.,
Stephen Knapp, of Staten Island, N.Y.,
William Macko, of Bayonne,
N.J.,
and
Monica Rodriguez Smith, and her unborn child, of Seaford,
N.Y.

More than 1,000 people were injured when terrorists detonated a
massive truck bomb in a public parking garage beneath the World Trade
Center.

Some of the suspects arrested in the case are closely linked to others
arrested in July in a thwarted plot to blow up selected targets in New York
City, including the United Nations building and the Holland and Lincoln
Tunnels. Umar Abd al-Rahman, the Muslim cleric from Egypt who resided in
New Jersey, and several of his followers were indicted in connection with
this plot and were charged with conspiracy. The case went to trial in
September 1993, and four suspects were convicted in March 1994.
List of unindicted co-conspirators in the 1993 World Trade Center Bombing

2 Back in my R&R band days, I worked as a bicycle messenger in Manhattan during the warm months for side money (Mid to late 80's). I went up and down those elevators a bunch. If it was clear, I'd always stop off at the observation deck to take in the view. Spectacular just... doesn't do it.

Standing at the corners between WTC I and WTC II and tilting my head back always made me laugh at the absurdly, preposterously real vanishing point effect that the buildings created.

I get choked up whenever I remember that stuff now.

F#@*

3 I can't quantify my feeling's. Except by saying again... USA, all the way!

4 An oversight on my part:
Hat tip to vmMovies for posting this video at YouTube.

5 Watching that video really bummed me out.

6 Great video! Could you please tell me the name of the song used for this video?? Thanks!

7 And the terrorist who did it used a RYDER rental truck and was cuaght when he came back to file a so called thieft claim

1 A book I should add to my collection. Thanks. USA, all the way!

2 Hey Michael...read this article:

http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/48278/#comments

Tell me what you think. I'm very curious what your views are on this.

3 osamastillkissingass: Kiss, kiss, suck, suck. You friggin commie retard, lowlife piece of shit. Quit doing your mother.

4 Gayrooster...give up now. You are out of your league, you stupid old man. I can see you are getting desperate now. Desperate as your son trying to forget you sodomizing him as a child.

5 Naw: I have been given the job of ensuring that pedophiles like you are exposed. Out of my league. From a child molesting lefturd like you? Keep bending over for that black thing you love so much. Friggin faggot.

6

Osamabinstuff ... First reaction was "this guy is skipping details, and amplifying the details he does offer"  I don't know from reading this, where exactly he is politically, but he sounds a bit socialist, which is always a red light for me.

I start from the position that any profit you make, by whatever work, or creativity, or smart merchanting, is yours to keep. Taxes are legalized plunder. When your walking down the street, and someone steps in front of you demanding what is yours, that is attempted robbery. If they imply a threat "I have a gun ..." then it is attempted armed robbery. If they are the government, it is called taxation.

If every time I walk down the street, someone comes to take my earnings, I will probably either stop producing, or hide my earnings, or arm myself, or move to a nicer neighborhood. If I hide my earnings, it's called tax evasion, and if I arm myself, it's called rebellion. If I move, it's called third world development. If I just quit producing it's called social justice. But we know that stealing someones earnings with the threat of force, isn't justice at all.

Now, I'm not against charity, and I think the government is in-bounds if they incentivise such things. I even allow as the government can put money from taxes into a fund to help in an emergency, whether it be to provide food, shelter, medicine, or anything else , on a case by case basis. I'm dead set against instututionalizing a perpetual 'emergency', and creating a permanent drain on our most inventive, and productive people. In short, I'm against any form of entitlement. I can define that better.

If you didn't do something constructive to earn what you are getting, but you are getting it anyway, regularly, and at someone elses expense your receiving an entitlement. And tax cuts aren't an entitlement, they are a reduction of legalized plunder. Vetrans benefits are part of the pay package as far as my definition. So are earned retirement benefits.

OK ... NOW

GW is reccomending some cuts. I recall that one was 108 million over a ten year period? so 10.8 million a year. This was to provide a bag of groceries each month to various persons, and it sounded like a nice program. But what other programs are there? Is the old program now redundant, and a waste of money because a new system is doing the same thing only better, and more efficiently? The article doesn't tell us that. It chooses to characterize this as subsidizing yachts for rich people while starving the poor. That is an agenda heavy characterization, even if it turns out to be fairly accurate.

We know that careful reduction of taxes actually produces more tax money through economic growth. This is going to be a good thing, if we let it happen. More on subsidies later.

I will read this again, and give you my 'second look opinion' of it in a few days a most. Basiccally, taxes are a necessary evil, so the less you have to tax, the less evil is involved : )

USA, all the way!
 

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(Osamabintesting, this is my response to your earlier post, forgive the length, and as you can see, I'm seperating myself with these cute little bracket thingies ((-))  So this is my opinion, and I am stateing that up front. I can get into a fact slinging battle later if you like, but this is what I thought about this article. )

Maybe We Deserve to Be Ripped Off By Bush's Billionaires
By Matt Taibbi, RollingStone.com. Posted February 20, 2007.

(He shows natural disgust at Celebrity stupidity ... leading to this)

On the same day that Britney was shaving her head, a guy I know who works in the office of Senator Bernie Sanders sent me an email. He was trying very hard to get news organizations interested in some research his office had done about George Bush's proposed 2008 budget, which was unveiled two weeks ago and received relatively little press, mainly because of the controversy over the Iraq war resolution. All the same, the Bush budget is an amazing document. It would be hard to imagine a document that more clearly articulates the priorities of our current political elite.

(Senator Bernie Sanders, a partisan source, trying to do what partisan sources do best. Present only what they need to to smear the opposition. I quote the oft abused Wikipedia here ...

"Sanders is a self-described democratic socialist, but because he does not belong to a formal political party he appears as an an independent on the ballot. Sanders caucuses with the Democrats and is counted as a Democrat for the purposes of committee assignments.

Democratic socialism is a broad political movement propagating the ideals of socialism within the context of a democratic system. This means that the means of production are controlled by the entire population through democratically elected representatives.

In many cases, its adherents promote the ideal of socialism as an evolutionary process resulting from legislation enacted by a constitutional democracy. Other democratic socialists favor a revolutionary approach that would establish socialism by creating a non-parliamentary direct democracy, usually progressing from local to regional and lastly national councils. While radical left-wing currents such as anarchism could be considered to be democratic and socialist, the term 'democratic socialist' is not used to describe them."

So I'd say he is a biased source outright, and an example of what I'm strongly oppossed to!)

Not only does it make many of Bush's tax cuts permanent, but it envisions a complete repeal of the Estate Tax, which mainly affects only those who are in the top two-tenths of the top one percent of the richest people in this country.

(Speculation unsupported by evidence. The Bush tax cuts helped me, and I was at just above minimum wage, trying to become self employed. Now I am mostly self employed, and I may be able to put money back into the economy in a few more years, by hiring some people. This guy is repeating Dem talking points)

The proposed savings from the cuts over the next decade are about $442 billion, or just slightly less than the amount of the annual defense budget (minus Iraq war expenses). But what's interesting about these cuts are how Bush plans to pay for them.

(Speculation. He isn't a mind reader, so he can't read Bush's mind. Nor would Sander's agent offer any reason for Bush's plan that didn't support the partisan attack this was meant to be.)

Sanders's office came up with some interesting numbers here.

(Came up with?)

If the Estate Tax were to be repealed completely, the estimated savings to just one family -- the Walton family, the heirs to the Wal-Mart fortune -- would be about $32.7 billion dollars over the next ten years.

(So we wouldn't be plundering the Walton family fortunes merely because someone in their family died ... )

The proposed reductions to Medicaid over the same time frame? $28 billion.

(In what context? Is there some other detail that Sander's people would leave out? Is there an alternative program that takes up the slack? Is there a projected plan to rework the Medicaid system to make it more efficient, and able to do the same things with less money/ Sander's probably wouldn't tell us if he knew, because it isn't "Socialist Sexy")

Or how about this: if the Estate Tax goes, the heirs to the Mars candy corporation -- some of the world's evilest scumbags, incidentally, routinely ripped by human rights organizations for trafficking in child labor to work cocoa farms in places like Cote D'Ivoire

(Sad but true, the third world is a place where if you don't get a job working for a multinational company, you are scratching in the dirt hopeing some of the weeds will be healthy enough to feed you. Global warming alarmists, and International enviromental groups are doing more to keep these kinds of people in poverty, than Mars candy, but you will seldom hear this fact. I suppose Mars candy could just NOT hire them, and they could starve ...? Or they could have a Cummunist revolution, and starve from misguided social engineering.)

-- if the estate tax goes, those assholes will receive about $11.7 billion in tax breaks. That's more than three times the amount Bush wants to cut from the VA budget ($3.4 billion) over the same time period.

(We could give back 17 Billion over the same ten years if we stopped funding the 'Global Warming Industry' and put it back into the budget elsewhere ... But in any case, IS there another program taking over services which the VA normally used to handle? is there a change in the efficiency of the VA that makes this viable? We don't know ... Partisans seldom like you to get a clear picture. Partisans are warriors for their side.)

Some other notable estimate estate tax breaks, versus corresponding cuts:

Cox family (Cox cable TV) receives $9.7 billion tax break while education would get $1.5 billion in cuts

Nordstrom family (Nordstrom dept. stores) receives $826.5 million tax break while Community Service Block Grants would be eliminated, a $630 million cut

Ernest Gallo family (shitty wines) receives a $468.4 million cut while LIHEAP (heating oil to poor) would get a $420 million cut

(Except for the snarky fact that the heating oil money is way less than is being paid to global warming 'scientists' by our government, the rest of this again, comes with no context as to what else is added, or changed, to create efficiency in the system. If you recall ... Mitt Romney saved $20 million anually from his budget for the homeless, by simply re-arranging the system so it ran more efficiently. This kind of context is entirely unprovided here.)

And so on and so on. Sanders additionally pointed out that the family of former Exxon/Mobil CEO Lee Raymond, who received a $400 million retirement package, would receive about $164 million in tax breaks.

(It's his money, and part of his pay package. Nobody has a true right to tell another person what to do with what belongs to that person, as long as it isn't being used to HARM anyone. In effect, his retirement package is HIS OWN BUSINESS. Be jealous, but at least own the fact that THAT is all your doing. You have no right to his earnings, nor the fruit of his fairly negotiated labors. He earned them. They were contracted to him for services rendered. When you tax those monies, your stealing them at gunpont. Acknowledge that, and we'll move on!)

Compare that to the Commodity Supplemental Food Program, which Bush proposes be completely eliminated, at a savings of $108 million over ten years. The program sent one bag of groceries per month to 480,000 seniors, mothers and newborn children.

(Replaced? Mitigated? We have no other point of reference than that which is provided in this partisan assault.)

Somehow, to me, that's the worst one on the list. Here you have the former CEO of a company that scored record profits even as it gouged consumers, with gas prices rising more than 70 percent since January of 2001. There is a direct correlation between the avarice of oil company executives and the increased demand for federal aid for heating oil programs like LIHEAP, and yet the federal government wants to reward these same executives for raising prices on the backs of consumers.

(Osamawantingalternateenergy ...? In what context are these 'tax breaks' occuring ??? How does a major corporation find the funds to develop alternative energy resources? If the money isn't coming in, it can't go into research and development can it? The best thing the government could do is to incentivise the energy industry to develop new resources. After all they are already experts in the needs of the industry, and those who rely on it.

Record profits that you 'gouge' away from the companies in the form of taxes will just go on to become third party spending. If you need an explanation, I'll get it for you in detail later. Remember, we paid those monies to those companies, at the price they asked for their commodity. In short, by accepting that price, we agreed to it. Now we want to renege on our part of the deal because we are to wussy to ride a bicycle??? Ironically, global warming alarmists are against the use of the heating oil in the first place. Oil ... always the bad guy even when they aren't)

Even if you're a traditional, Barry Goldwater conservative, the kinds of budgets that Bush has sent to the hill not only this year but this whole century are the worst-case scenario; they increase spending generally while cutting taxes and social programming.

( No, I'm not happy with the volume of spending, but I'm not sure what to do about it right now ... This is a time of global war, even if the left wants to pretend otherwise.)

They commit taxpayers to giant subsidies of already Croseus-rich energy corporations, pharmaceutical companies and defense manufacturers while simultaneously cutting taxes on those who most directly benefit from those subsidies. (Again, where are these subsidies being targeted? Is it for more energy development? Contracting corporations to develop things for the national interest is a common practice, and isn't wrong by itself ...)

Thus you're not cutting spending -- you're just cutting spending on people who actually need the money.
(Context as mentioned above, is missing)

That's not only bad government, it's bad capitalism. It makes legalized bribery and political connections more important factors than performance and competition in the corporate marketplace.

(Thats a fine shift! Go from whining about how much money the oil companies are making, to saying they should be competing and performing in the marketplace, which is how those profits were made in the first place ... nice double standrd. We know about Bribery and connections because we have already discussed Al Gore)

Beyond that, it's just plain fucking offensive to ordinary people. It's one thing to complain about paying taxes when those taxes are buying a bag of groceries once a month for some struggling single mom in eastern Kentucky. But when your taxes are buying a yacht for some asshole who hires African eight year-olds to pick cocoa beans for two cents an hour ... I sure don't remember reading an excuse for that anywhere in the Federalist Papers.

(Your not buying the yacht for some asshole! Your promoting economic growth, which will eventually reward all of us. Two cents is better than nothing, and they apparently think it's fair, or they would be digging up roots with sharpened sticks instead !!! Because we are Americans we have no clue what things cost in other parts of the world. How many times do you see on TV, "for ten cents a day, you can feed and cloth a child" and when the child goes to feed and clothe themselves by accepting employment, we are pissed off at the employer??? IT IS A CRUEL WORLD, but lets not be asses, OK? 

Get the human rights people to spend their millions subsidizing economic developmemt. Get the envirometalists to stop stone walling natural resource development in the third world, and stop blaming the guys who can offer acceptable work. I met a guy who bought a whole resort, to live in, and he made a lot of other people successful on his way to getting it. He earned it. Fair!)

I also don't remember reading much about this year's budget.

(Right! I'd like to SEE the actual BUDGET! Wouldn't you? I sure don't trust a partisan like Sanders to explain it to me ...)

Here's the thing about the system of news coverage we have today. If the Walton family, or Lee Raymond, or the heirs to the Mars fortune actually needed the news media to work better than it does now, believe me, it would work better.

(They OWN the MSM??? I didn't know that ....)

 But they have no such need, because the system is working just fine for them as is. The people it's failing are the rest of us, and most of the rest of us, apparently, would rather sniff Anna Nicole Smith's corpse or watch Britney Spears hump a fire hydrant than find out what our tax dollars are actually paying for.

(The MSM is failing everyone except America's enemies. Companies just buy advertising time where they think people are going to see it. That is why the Superbowl Advertising is such a big deal. For one brief moment the feild of hundreds of TV channels narrows to just the ones who can actually cover a unique event. Those minutes of advertising are gold. But I think the MSM decides who gets the bid on those slots, more than the bidders do. If I could OWN the Superbowl, I can make Miller crawl on their knees and suck mine! It's true.)

Shit, when you think about it that way, why not steal from us? People that dumb don't deserve to have money.

(This is just the 'have you stopped beating you wife?' question, already answered for you, by a partisan, and absent the details that would allow us an informed reaction. I admit, I don't have all the answers here, but this guy is an example of why I used my last 'Rolling Stone' to light the woodstove! He accepts the message of Sander's agent, without worrying about the completeness of the information, or the motive for providing it. Worse, he seems to revel in the act of arranging his 'facts' to make Bush out to be as bad as possible. There is a reason I don't hang out with the counterculture anymore.)

Matt Taibbi is a writer for Rolling Stone.

(Wikipedia ...

"Taibbi spent his childhood in the suburbs of Boston, Massachusetts, and attended Bard College, spending his senior year abroad at Leningrad State Technical University."

"In 1992 Taibbi moved to Uzbekistan, but was forced to leave six months later after writing critically about the country's president. Afterwards, Taibbi worked for The Moscow Times as a sports editor, before moving on to work as a professional athlete in Russia and Mongolia, and as a correspondent for Montsame, the Mongolian National News Agency."

"While playing professional basketball in Ulan-Bator, Mongolia, Taibbi contracted a serious case of pneumonia and was medivaced to Boston. After recovering with his family, he returned to Russia and be came editor of the expat paper Living Here. He then joined Mark Ames in 1997 to co-edit the controversial English-language Moscow-based, bi-weekly free newspaper, The eXile. Taibbi said about that experience,

"We were out of the reach of American libel law, and we had a situation where we weren’t really accountable to our advertisers. We had total freedom."  "

Yup! A real crusading journalist there! Happy to be free of 'libel laws'. A partisan for sure.)

(USA, all the way!)

9 Michael, holy shit that was a long post. I agree with some of what you said. I'm no fan of taxes either (note to all fuckers who call me a "lib" in here) but if it has to be done, I wish we could at least say how it's used. For instance, you could say what percentage of what you're being taxed goes to fix roads, build schools, etc. Heck, if you wanted you could put the whole thing towards the war in Iraq! The point being that ordinary Americans could have more control over spending that crooks in D.C.

Oh, and did I mention I found a picture of Gayrooster today?

http://www.break.com/pictures/feb21gal34.html

10 Michael...forgot to ask: Why were you were unemployed? Were you ever on welfare? Glad to hear you got back on your feet.

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Osamabingoingoutofhisway ;

I get along fine with greyrooster, and I'm not going to join you in bashing him. As long as you understand that ....

I didn't say I was unemployed, I said I was existing at just above minimum wage. But I have been unemployed, and technically, I'm self employed now. I'm glossing details but ....

I have worked retail for many, many years, and I had profit sharing that would have been pretty good, but the company I worked for got hit with a nasty lawsuit that cost them millions when the judge got a little excited with damage assignment. The company had been growing, and now it was dying. I hate frivolous lawsuits. Anyway, I lost tens of thousands in profit sharing, and when I switched to another employer they were legistlated out of existence within a year. I hate government interference in private enterprise.

I spent some time unemployed right in there. Not the first time. I've lived in my car before, many years ago, and one of those times the car didn't run, so at night I'd push it to a new parking spot so it didn't draw attention and get towed. This was after a minimum wage hike ...

Anyway when I became unemployed the last time I was exploring avenues for becoming my own boss, and being self sufficient. I wanted to write, but I also needed to pay bills in the meanwhile. Now days I practice writing, trying to conquer dyslexia, and re-train myself on good grammer. My wife has a day job in a family business, and together we have a small business distributing goods and services. I'm not going to advertise it here, I don't do spam.

Anyway, I have benefitted from tax breaks for business, and I want them to be permanent. I think the American dream is tied up in the freedom to develop yourself without outside interference. All my successes as an employee came during periods of business growth, which strangely coincided with the second or third year of having a Republican in the White House. So even as an employee, I bebefitted during business friendly administrations.

If I ever do achieve the level of success I am shooting for, I want my kids to benefit from it, by getting everything I created with my efforts. When I want other peopls kids to have my money, I decide to give it to them, and how much. I don't want the government stealing from my deathbed, what I earned, and have willed to my family. There is only one tax I approve of and that is income tax. If someone is making money, tax it then, one time, and one time only, and then leave people alone. Leave their property alone, leave their investments alone, leave their bequeathments alone, leave them alone!

Having lived a lot of my life at near minimum wage, I can tell you that everytime it was raised, I lost ground. Minimum wage hikes are a joke. They are a sideways contributor to inflation, and the lowering of the standard of living. They contribute to the destruction of the middle class. I despise the entire concept of minimum wages, and I wish there was some way to abolish them.

I am incentivised to to better myself, because I can see myself having the fruits of my labors to dispense with as I please. I have no desire to see those fruits ditributed to people who didn't do what I had to, or to see my efforts used to de-icentivise others.

Anyway, no ... no welfare. No food stamps. I did get unemployment the last time, but since the government took my job away, I think that is fair. Otherwise, I have never collected unemployment, even when I was unemployed. I like people to be their own adult guardians.

USA, all the way!

12 Btw, your posts don't show your dyslexia. I'd say you're winning that battle.

13 Damn, I think the only time I've lived in a car is when I've done long road trips. I definitely know the hand to mouth existence. My business is booming lately, but it wasn't too long ago that I couldn't get a job. To be exact, in NYC after 9/11. I was poised to make a killing and then everything deflated. You couldn't get a shit job no matter how hard you tried. It was demoralizing...going to 3rd, 4th, 5th interview and then not getting the job. Talk about a waste of time. You could be looking for other jobs rather than doing all those interviews with one person who doesn't give you the job. It was no picnic, that's for sure.

For a good year or two I was living in a raw industrial space which wasn't zoned for that, so if you're were caught you were booted. I had to wash my upper body in the hallway sink and then grab a bucket of water for the lower half in my space. Did I mention there was no heating? Kerosene was the way to go. I had no bank account, no mailing address, no bank account, no car, no nuthin'!

Needless to say, after a while NYC started to recover and I got back on my feet with a vengeance. I've never taken any unemployment either. This reminds me though, I had one friend who did some funny stuff to get by: He would go to nice neighborhoods and walk into parties. Nobody ever questioned him or asked who he was...but by the time he left he had showered, shaved, brushed his teeth, fed himself and had plenty of drinks. Hilarious. For about a year he was a professional upscale party crasher.

Anyway, I view taxes the same as you. I'm not sure eliminating the minimum wage would work. I believe in incentives too, but what would keep big business from dinging the little guy? The only way to know would be to try...but I wouldn't count on that anytime soon.

14 Mike:


Osamabinpunked is a troll. He pretends to be reasonable with you because you engaged him honestly and politely. Ask yourself: despite the mountains of eveidence and proof you have provided to support your positions, has he been persuaded to the truth in any way, shape, or form?


Of course not. He still spews the leftard line on every subject he addresses. He's playing you. Don't fall for his transparently insincere trolling.


He's using you.

15 Jeff, you're only "using" yourself. Don't get jealous of Michael because I address him with the respect he deserves. He has a thousand times more class than you. If you would finally realize that your pathetic attempts to bully me will be deflected right back at your posturing self, maybe these posts wouldn't be so full of garbage. The links he provided are being read by me in my spare time between working and bitch slapping you on every post. Even if I didn't agree with him about ANYTHING, he still deserves respect because he doesn't spew the bullshit that you do.

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Osamabinpickingonmypals

But I do like Jeff and greyrooster, even if you don't.                         

And Jeff !

Maybe I'm using HIM, instead?  In any case, I lose nothing in the process of these discussions, and since I'm backing up my comments with links, other interested parties can explore as they like. I do appreciate your concern.

USA, all the way!

17 Hey Michael...I can respect that. I don't think I'm asking you to pick a side on this garbage! I'm glad you post links and don't stoop to their level of blindly attacking first and asking NO questions later. Maybe it's from the rabid racism they suffer from? Either way, at least I feel like we can exchange ideas with you instead of insults.

1 How could this guy be a Jawa reader. He doesn't even know that Bush did it. Therefore he is ignorant.

1 Yes, he had a dream. Where little boys and girls of all colors could live together under the banner of socialism. Yes, he had a dream.
 
Happy James Earl Ray day.

2 Well rooster I will have to say that your views on this subject haven't exhibited any change or growth in the last year.
Will anyone be calling for mass hangings for all Democrats in the USA this year ?

3 I expected as much from rooster.  King's real message of nonviolence social change is his legacy.  He was a very good speaker. I enjoy a good speech and we don't have many good speakers these days.  People who speak from the heart and not a teleprompter.  The saddest part is that those guys in the little white hats never got King's message. If fact most Muslims have totally forgotten it.

4 Don't expect a positive, charismatic Black leader to come along anytime soon. King was the first one since Frederick Douglas, so we may have to wait awhile.


Barack Osama Obama definitely ain't the one. The guy is all hype and no substance. The P.C. crowd finally found a Blackish politician who isn't a raging racist retard or crook, and they're promoting this guy as the second coming. 


Most people are unaware that King was nowhere near as influential when he was alive as he is now that he's dead. The other Black leaders of his day were even worse than the ones we have now. Malcolm X was a racist hatemonger and Huey Newton was an outright murdering drug addict.


King wanted equality, but today's Black leaders are interested in personal enrichment first, and special advantages for Blacks second. Neither goal is admirable. 


MLK parades around the country are filled with marching morons raising their fists in the air and chanting racist slurs, faces contorted in naked hatred. King would puke if he had lived to see how his dream turned out. He was a good man, but not a great one, and MLK Day as a Holiday is a divisive mistake. Its just another entitlement program for Blacks and the P.C. left, if you ask me.


None of our Founding Fathers has a Holiday honoring them anymore, and neither does Lincoln--who did far more for Blacks than MLK ever did. Combining Washington's and Lincoln's birthdays into one Holiday called President's Day was a national travesty, and a huge victory for the anti-American left. I'm surprised Congress hasn't torn down the busts on Mt. Rushmore and replaced them with MLK, Ceasar Chavez, Gloria Steinem, and muhammad.


It seems to me that once equality becomes a reality, there isn't any further need for identity politics. Black activists, Female supremacists (feminists my ass,) gay activists, "Hispanic" activists, etc. are all looking to gain special advantages and privileges for their ill defined groups--and to make a shit-load of money, of course.


I have a dream. I dream of a day when the identity politics scumbags want to live in equality with the rest of us, instead of benefiting from the color of their skin, lack of a penis, love of a penis, or lack of English skills.

5 John Lyin:


Moderates and conservatives don't define themselves by a political party like you leftists do. We aren't one dimensional, knee-jerk morons, and we know political parties are out for power and self aggrandizement.


As I recall, it's you dildos who continue to bray for the mass hanging of Bush and the Republicans.  Stick your head out a window and smell the reality. You'll need to pul it out of your ass first.

6 Jeff,
 
We see that you are a fine product of the institutionalized prejudices that have been so ingrained in the good old boys of yesterday.  Congratulations!  Seems like their blasphemy worked on you.

7 ILL does observe Lincoln's bday still.  But Washington's we do with President's day.  Bummer. 

8 civil disbehavior, what? Make a point, of make tracks!

9 Nothing to do with the white folks still shittin on them then?

10 Snivel,   We see that you are a fine product of the institutionalized prejudices that have been so ingrained in the Marxist hippies of yesterday.  Congratulations!  Seems like their blasphemy worked on you.

11 Joke:


Yes, curse evil Whitey for shitting out affirmative action quotas for unqualified "minorities" and excusing away anti-White racism. It's all the fault of the privileged White elite and their dead White male forebears.


We must arrest more innocent college Lacrosse players, and give more Golden Globes to pure dreck like "Showgirls." We must level the playing field for anti-White and misandrist hate crimes. Talentless actresses need more awards, and dem Whitey Joooos need to be kicked out of Hollywood.

12 John: You asshole. Please name one time where whitey has shit on them in your lifetime.

13 Kissing black asses will get you nowhere. They will burn your car and steal your big screen right along with the others.

14 John Ryan: " mass hangings of democrats" Hummmm.
 
 
Why does the government refuse to release MLK's FBI file? All these years after his death and they still refuse. Why? Because he was colaborating with the then enemy of the United States. Namely, the Soviet Union. He was just another black cry baby. Just playing a different angle than the others. Playing the Christian minister game just like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. I have more respect of Malcome X. At least he was honest about it.
 
If his file is ever opened to the public we will have to change 10,000 street signs.
Has communities ever been forced to change street names for Lincoln, Jackson, Franklin, Washington or any white person? It's nothing but placating the rabble.

15 Snivelbehavior: The institutional prejudices you speak of are bullshit. You are 180% out of sink with reality. Institutional prejudice is alive and well in the United States. It is practiced against whites not blacks. You lefturds need to open your eyes.

16  Jeff says: "The PC crowd has finally found a blackish politician who isn't a raging racist, retard or crook"
 
 
I say give him time.

17 Jeff says: "The PC crowd has finally found a blackish politician who isn't a raging racist, retard or crook"
 
 
I say give him time.
Obama has two things going for him: (1) he doesn't speak in a sing-song preacher voice that insists on doubling syllables; Obama knows 'Jesus' is only two syllables, not five, and (2) Obama can give a speech without rhyming. Both are reasons that the likes of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson  dislike Obama as 'too white.'

18 Yes, King's speech was brilliant; he served his KGB masters well.

19 Good Wooga good.

20 Yep, institutionalized prejudice is still alive and well amongst those white boys.
 
What a shame we haven't moved beyond such hatred of color.

21 Snivel Behaviour:


You wrote:


"Yep, institutionalized prejudice is still alive and well amongst those white boys.   What a shame we haven't moved beyond such hatred of color."


You refer to White people as "white boys," racists, and colorless--and you expect people to believe you aren't a racist piece of shit? Using racist slurs and baseless accusations to make your point kind of undermined it, don't you think? Are you even capable of thought?


If I change the players in your little scenario, does it become a racist paragraph?


^{Yep, institutionalized prejudice is still alive and well amongst those monochrome nigger boys.   What a shame we haven't moved beyond such hatred of the color variety of Whites.}


Do you honestly believe that only one of these paragraphs is racist? Are you even aware that you're a racist?

22 Snivelbehavior Racist? He has a right to be racist. He lives on malt liquor, chicken wings and enjoys rap music while eating his watermelon. Come forth snivel, come forth.

23 snivelbehavior: White people don't use the term "white boys" as blacks don't use the term "black boys".  Understand? Boy!

1 To our brave and loyal troops serving around the globe, merry Christmas, and may the Lord bless every one of you and keep you safe.  You have our country's eternal gratitude.

2 How about a Christmas in Laos for the Kerry-philes ?
 
 

3 Great post! Really great post!

I had a bad disagreement with my Dad. It lasted a few years. One Christmas I gave him his gift, labelled 'In memory of General McAuliffe's answer to the Germans, when asked to surrender."

Guess what my Dad found when he unwrapped his present? He also got the message

I'm glad we sorted things out before he died. That way I can look back at that Christmas with a smile, and remember the look on his face. It was somewhere between a pleased grin, and an 'Oh really?' look. Priceless.

I really can't tell you how pleased I am by this post. You kinda brought Dad back for a minute. Thanks, and Merry Christmas. To you, and everyone!

Always, USA, all the way!

4 FROM THE AMERICAN COMMANDER TO THE GERMAN COMMANDER NUTS and that was the famous 101st SCREAMING EAGLES AIRBORNE DIVISION

1 Vinnie,
Before these barbarous Muslim brutes climbed the walls of the embassy they were persecuting people like me. But they're going to get their come-up-ins ...

2 Shows that the filthy Iranians have no respect for international agreements or treaties. Death to Iran.

3 Sadly, even though I was twenty in 1979, I didn't become aware until 9/11.   Thanks for posting this.

4 I firmly believe that the 444 hundred days of this hostage drama with no response was a major contribution to 9/11.
It may have been 20+ years earlier but it certainly emboldened the Imans of today. The display of weakness in this lasts a lifetime.

5 Thank you, Cut-and-run Ronnie for freeing the hostages, coincidently on your first day as president.

We don't believe all those ugly rumors that you gave Iran guarantees of conventional and WMDs, if they would just hold on to those hostages until after the election.

And we also don't believe that you laundered the money that you got from Iran to fund a war in Nicaragua.

6 1/4 of the population is retarded, so it's no surprise that so many people have their eyes clamped firmly shut. Unfortunately, most of them work in universities, the Establishment Media and Hollywood, so the rest of us are subjected to their blind stupidity more often than we should be.

Blogs like this one have broken their stranglehold on the national debate, and that's a good thing.

7 You've got that right, Jeff -

"Blogs like this one have broken their stranglehold on the national debate, and that's a good thing."

Yep, blogs like this one, have caused the GOP to be pretty much regarded as a bunch of hippocrits and loonies, anymore.

Thanks for the job that you guys are doing to help the Dems take the House and possibly the Senate.

We couldn't have done it without you.

Thanks again, to you, Mark Folley, Tom Delay, Bob Ney, Bush's failed foreign and domestic policies and all the others that have made this possible.

8 If Mack Brown had been there, he would have led the hostages to victory against all of Iran itself.
 
There never would have been a damn hostage crisis.

9 PuzzledDork:

Dream about a Dhimmiecrat landslide while you still can. Your dreams will be dashed on Tuesday. Not that you'll even bother to show up to vote.

10 I still think Jimmy should have grown a pair and pushed the button.

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1 now I have something to read this weekend while at work

2 I've been reading this book, along with Future Jihad by Walid Phares, and I'm amazed that it's taken five freaking years for this sort of clarity and factuality to come out. Of course, the lefturds have been writing books by the ton to tell us how it's all our fault and we deserve it, etc., but I think people are starting to wake up and see that they work for the enemy.
Anyway, my favorite part of Tower so far is the part about Zawahiri; he didn't get married until he was almost 30, and then only at his family's insistance, but he ran straight off to Afghanistan from where he wrote love letters... to his mother. These jihadoturds are some screwed up individuals, and a sixth of the world worhips them. Islam must be exterminated.

3 speaking of amazon ... i found this anti-amazon boycot (guess they carry NAMBLA-type books too) by accident recently while looking for 2nd amendment info
http://www.claytoncramer.com/weblog/2003_03_09_archive.html#90621643

4 Yes, we must burn books!!! You kooks are more concerned about our 2nd Ammendment rights and have no concerns about our our FIRST ammendment rights.   BURN THEM ALL!

1 Quiz: William Jefferson Airplane Clinton was our nation's first; A. Black president.
B. Child president.
C. Sexual addict president.
D. Criminal president.
E. Traitor president.
F. Greatest president.

Answer next week.

2 How about:
G. None of the above.

3 This is true of the clintons (but remember for all of president clintons falings) which were many..

But one one thing i cant blame him...

If i was married to hillary i would have been running around as well..

4 I don't know about anyone else, but I wouldn't have married that to begin with. And if the person I married became that it'd be divorce time.

5 Rich, fuck off with your apologetics for Clinton. We get a dumbass like you every now and then, and we send them all packing after enough shit.

6 Improbulus Maximus,
   For one genius, I didn't post in this thread. I believe you are confused. Second, in the thread I believe you're referencing (ABX Airs 'Path'...) I said: "To put it bluntly, they could have made the Clinton administration look REALLY bad with just the facts"

Where the apology is for Clinton there I have no clue. It's not good enough just to look at the words, you have to comprehend them too.

So, learn to read and stop with the ad hominem (since this word is is not "dumbass" or an equivalent, take a look at the definition here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem) attacks.

I'm sure there are plenty of issues you can mindlessly attack me on. You don't need to make up shit and post it to the wrong thread.

7 heh... now don't I look the fool. I actually did post in this thread and forgot. =)

Still, the irrational, personal attacks are unnecessary plus, I think I just demonstrated I'm not a Clinton apologist.

8 btw, I didn't even post "None of the above" to defend Clinton. I just didn't think any of the options applied. The question says "our nation's first". From there it's a process of elimination.

A. He's not black
B. He's not a child
C. He wasn't our first sexual addict president
D. He wasn't our first criminal president
E. He wasn't a traitor
F. He wasn't the greatest president

I imagine point E will be argued and I'll admit to being curious as to what tortured logic will be used to call him a traitor. I however just don't see any actions that could be construed as traitorous actions.

C & D may apply if the question didn't say "our nation's first."

Also, Improbulus Maximus, sorry about the digs for "posting in the wrong thread." I've been up 30 hours or so and I made a stupid mistake.

9 Bill Clinton americas first elected dictator and tyrant this scoundrel still want to be bully boy even while he is out of office and the dirt bags in hollywood still think he is great

10 Sandpiper, he was a lot of things but seriously, "dictator" and "tyrant"? I don't think those words mean what you seem to think they mean.

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1 Well there you go again!

Inserting reality into the world of losers who's collective grip on reality is tenuous at best...

Stop it! Just stop it or you will hurt the feelings of leftoids and panderers to terrorism the world over...

2 Well there you go again!

Inserting reality into the world of losers who's collective grip on reality is tenuous at best...

Stop it! Just stop it or you will hurt the feelings of leftoids and panderers to terrorism the world over...

3 12 October 1983 the Marine Headquarters and Barracks were bombed by Hezollah. The death toll was 241 American servicemen: 220 Marines, 18 Navy personnel and 3 Army soldiers. Sixty Americans were injured.

4 That list ends in 1988 - has Hizballah been playing nice with the US the past 18 years? If so, it sounds like this is Israel's fight, not something for the US to get involved in, unless as part of a UN force to try to restore some kind of order after Israel gets done what they want to do.

5 Absolutely right. Until 9/11 Hezbollah was the A-team of terrorists in terms of killing Americans. Strangely enough, few seemed to notice ... but then is was a "law enforcement issue" wasn't it?

6 Absolutely right. Until 9/11 Hezbollah was the A-team of terrorists in terms of killing Americans. Strangely enough, few seemed to notice ... but then is was a "law enforcement issue" wasn't it?

7 Absolutely right. Until 9/11 Hezbollah was the A-team of terrorists in terms of killing Americans. Strangely enough, few seemed to notice ... but then is was a "law enforcement issue" wasn't it?

8 Absolutely right. Until 9/11 Hezbollah was the A-team of terrorists in terms of killing Americans. Strangely enough, few seemed to notice ... but then is was a "law enforcement issue" wasn't it?

9 Absolutely right. Until 9/11 Hezbollah was the A-team of terrorists in terms of killing Americans. Strangely enough, few seemed to notice ... but then is was a "law enforcement issue" wasn't it?

10 Absolutely right. Until 9/11 Hezbollah was the A-team of terrorists in terms of killing Americans. Strangely enough, few seemed to notice ... but then is was a "law enforcement issue" wasn't it?

11 Absolutely right. Until 9/11 Hezbollah was the A-team of terrorists in terms of killing Americans. Strangely enough, few seemed to notice ... but then is was a "law enforcement issue" wasn't it?

12 NOTR is stuck. Somebody give him a bump.

13 I'm jealous.

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