Hizballah Indiscriminately Attacked Civilians
That's the opinion of a new Human Rights Watch report on Hizballah's actions during the 2006 conflict that Iran's proxy started against Israel. Rather than address the accusations with facts as Israel did, Hizballah asked supporters to stop the news conference. Human Rights Watch, fearing a terrorist attack against the hotel where the announcement of the report as scheduled to take place, cancelled the press conference.
Via WAPO: BEIRUT, Aug. 29 -- An international human rights group has concluded that Lebanon's Hezbollah movement indiscriminately attacked civilians during its conflict with Israel last summer, a finding that prompted denunciations from both the Lebanese government and Hezbollah.
In that climate, New York-based Human Rights Watch canceled a news conference it had planned to hold Thursday in Beirut to release the report, and its officials said they were being unfairly silenced.
The 126-page report found that "as a party of an armed conflict governed by international humanitarian law," Hezbollah had "violated fundamental prohibitions against deliberate and indiscriminate attacks against civilians."
(Beirut, August 29, 2007) – Human Rights Watch today canceled a news conference planned for Thursday, August 30, 2007 in Beirut, citing reports by Hezbollah-controlled media about planned demonstrations to prevent the scheduled event at the Crowne Plaza hotel, and the hotel’s decision to disallow the news conference.
Human Rights Watch had called the news conference to release “Civilians Under Assault: Hezbollah's Rocket Attacks on Israel in the 2006 War,†a new 128-page report criticizing Hezbollah for its conduct during the 2006 war with Israel, in particular Hezbollah’s practice of deliberately and indiscriminately firing rockets toward Israeli civilian areas.
“Hezbollah is trying to silence criticism of its conduct during the 2006 war,†said Sarah Leah Whitson, director of Human Rights Watch’s Middle East and North Africa division. “But the fairness and accuracy of our reporting will speak for themselves, whether we hold a press conference or not.â€
Two questions for Human Rights Watch. First, What took you so long, your report criticizing Israel was released months and months ago? And two, Why did you wuss out now? Could it be because you were reporting on terrorists who might kill you for your criticism?
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Don't worry. Tough, smart diplomacy and stern actions are on the way from the DemCong. Any day now. See the Islamists, Hizbullah agents, Syrian army, and terrorists tremble in fear before the US liberals!
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Public vs Private Face of Omar Bakri Mohammed: "Peace" vs. "Hooray al Qaeda!"
This IHT report, also published in the New York Times, portrays Omar Bakri Mohammed as a man who has moderated his views and who is trying to promote peace between the Lebanese government and the al Qaeda linked Fatah al Islam fighters holed up in Palestinian villages. I was stunned, literally stunned, when I read that Bakri Mahammed was actually promoting himself as a peacemaker between the two sides. He further had the audacity to advise clerics not to say that the Lebanese Army was an apostate force. As AllahP put it in his link to it yesterday, whitewash -- indeed.
Why? Because I have an audio of Omar Bakri Mohammed recorded around the time that the IHT report cites him as trying to mediate the conflict between Fatah al Islam and the Lebanese government, May 20th. In the audio sent to me by Glen Jenvey a few days after that, Bakri Mohammed is heard claiming that the Lebanese government was "attacking Muslims" and that al Qaeda in Lebanon and Fatah al Islam represented "true Muslims".
Jenvey has dozens and dozens of these recordings, many of them the source for stories published in the British press, so I have no idea why Bakri Mohammed doesn't watch his tongue when he has his little online chats with his followers in Britain like he does when he's talking to reporters.
This year he opened a public library, equipped with computers and Islamic texts, in addition to a lecture hall where he preaches. He also travels to various mosques.
Bakri has grown more rotund, less bellicose and more tactful to those of other faiths.
Bakri Mohammed to his followers in private:
So we don't know yet what going to be the response of al Qaeda's message, because he was very tough. Al Qaeda's message declared takfir [unbelievers], obviously on the Lebanese Army.
He declared condemnation on the head of the Christian Bishop in Lebanon, like the Pope of the Christians, he condemn him physically, and condemn him verbally and said to him, "If you do not stop this Lebanese Army from killing our brothers and our sisters we are going to start launching bombing operations all over Lebanon. And we're going to drive all the Crusaders out." ...[followed by a prayer, by Bakri Mohammed, for Muslim victory]
No condemnation of al Qaeda's message, only a prayer in support of them.
Bakri Mohammed in the IHT:
Bakri says that the violence was needless and that it violated Islam. He has worked to prod clerics in the area to persuade Fatah al Islam to end the confrontation.
"They keep saying the army is a force of apostates," Bakri said of Fatah al Islam. "We say, both of you, sort it out between you, but don't you dare try to apply the case of Iraq here."
Here is Bakri Mohammed in private:
But somehow, I think the Lebanese Army has breeched the truce. ...
It was their own advance warning, and when nobody take them [Fatah al Islam] seriously they take over, and there is a big fight, and obviously the Lebanese casualties beyond the imagination. But when they [Lebanese Army] start to lose so many so-called "chocolate Muslims", so-called Sunnimuhaji, and the muftis, and the others [inaudible] who have not to do with Islam, nothing to do with this nothing to do with that....
Bearing in mind many people stand together from the Palestinians and from the so-called Sunni Muslims against Fatah al-Islam. And unfortunately people denounce them. And they [Fatah al Islam] are true practice Muslims. Through their own sharia courts, that is all of them have the Koran, have the Hadith [sayings of Mohammed]....
Some of them are from students of [Arabic], these were known scholars of supporting al Qaeda, and his students from al Qassim, and from Berada, they came there [Lebanon] and some people came from Iraq and joined them [Fatah al Islam] and some people came from Yemen and joined them. Some people inside the camp from Bangladesh as well.
Yup, supporting al Qaeda in Lebanon and an al Qaeda linked group, Fatah al Islam, against the Lebanese Army. Sounds like he's really moderated to me.
The reason I didn't publish this conversation previously is because this recording is so absolutely damning of Bakri Mohammed that I thought it best to pass it along to law enforcement in Lebanon. So, I sent it to Michael Totten to see if he could pass it along to his contacts there. We talked about maybe running a story together on it, but unfortunately both of us got distracted by other pressing matter. Totten is back in Iraq, I had kid #4, and then simply forgot about the recording. Until I saw the IHT piece, which AllahP knew would goad me into writing something. Well, he was right.
A more complete, yet still partial transcript below. Unfortunately even as an MP3 the audio file is still over a megabyte, so I don't have the bandwidth to host it. Hopefully Charles will find the time between debugging to put it up.Charles has put up the audio of Bakri Muhammad here. But since Bakri Mohammed claims he's being taken out of context when people claim he supports al Qaeda, I'll make the audio available to any one that wants it. If anything, the complete audio makes him look even worse.
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president hillary clinton has accepted the un's offer to send troops to help put down the US insurgency. Long time companion and adviser hugo chavez to enter right away with paratroopers flown in by russian jets aquired in 2006 and supplied with ample fire power from the AK 47 factory that has been producing peace keeping weapons since 2008. Several organizations based on reperations have been contracted to delegate reassignments of noncombatents until generalissimo arrives.
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Posted by: wb at February 22, 2007 08:13 PM (6nIRJ)
Lebanon Still Harboring TerroristFred Fry thinks giving aid to prop up the faltering anti-Syrian government in Lebanon is a good idea, but.....:
before we make the money transfer, there is at least one open issue that Lebanon needs to clean up first. That is extraditing terrorist and convicted TWA flight 847 hijacker Mohammed Ali Hamadei who is currently hiding in Lebanon.
Just a reminder, Navy diver Robert Stethem was murdered in the hijacking.
Gee, what was their first clue (sarc) The whole area south of the Litani river is a practically owned by terrorits.
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at February 02, 2007 01:12 PM (vixLB)
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Why do we not have someone to take him out? We are the worlds melting pot. There must be a red blooded American of Lebanese descent who can penetrate the ranks and do the hit.
Posted by: SeeMonk at February 02, 2007 01:47 PM (yKwZ2)
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You'd be amazed what the CIA can do but I don't know what they are waiting for.
Posted by: Douglas Shetland at February 02, 2007 03:22 PM (SYd2E)
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Hire the Russian mafia. Far more efficent than our politically correct government.
Posted by: greyrooster at February 02, 2007 06:05 PM (ERHpA)
Peace Not Spontaneously Materializing in Beirut
Chalk up another embarassment to appeasement and the UN's remarkable ability to fail at virtually everything it claims to do.
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All the neocons were boasting about Bush's unapppreciated strategy during the brief Cedar Revolution, which had demonstrations of which they approved. Aren't the babes in
this one appealing enough? By the way Christians under Aoun and
Franjeiih are also demonstrating.
Posted by: Ken Hoop at January 23, 2007 06:22 PM (EPkr9)
Such nuance, such subtlety. Is it all "demonstrations" you think we dissaprove of? Or could it be that WHAT they are demonstating for has something to do with it.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 23, 2007 07:27 PM (8e/V4)
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I'm sure you dissaprove of the Moslem-Christian contingent
whch wishes to limit the Empire's influence in their nation. And
since our only need in that region is the oil which would be sold to
us at fair market prices in any event, I don't much care.
Posted by: Ken Hoop at January 23, 2007 08:00 PM (EPkr9)
You have a lot of nerve mocking the so called "Cedar Revolution" for trying to throw the terrorists out of power, while simultaneously praising the terrorists for burning the country down in violent riots.
You neocoms are shameless, aren't you?
Based on your formulaic anti-Americanism, penchant for misdirection, subversive propaganda, deceptive debating tactics, feigned morality, and naked lust for leftist power, I think you're a college professer or grad student busy corrupting the minds of our gullible youth.
Not that a serial liar like you would ever admit it.
You do realize what would happen if we ever met, right? Circumstances favor you, but I could get lucky. You never know, do you maggot?
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 23, 2007 08:17 PM (abVz3)
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P.S. Lebanon is not an oil producing country, you raging ignoramus. America doesn't have to travel to the Middle East to buy oil, and no Middle Eastern oil fields have been seized by Amerikkka.
Now I'm even more convinced that you're part of our broken higher indoctrination education system.
I bet you have a weak, flabby physique to go along with your weak, flabby intellect. Right? You hate the world for your own weakness, don't you? Insecure contumacy is the main outlet for your self loathing, and a phony moral conscience is a mask for your misanthropy. You're a sad and detestable excuse for a human being.
You may fool some people, but you don't fool me. What are people really thinking when they look at you? I guarantee most of them see right through you, and don't like what they see. People are smarter than you want them to be. You know that.
Fucking loser.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 23, 2007 08:25 PM (abVz3)
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I'm sure you dissaprove of the Moslem-Christian contingent
whch wishes to limit the Empire's influence in their nation. And
since our only need in that region is the oil which would be sold to
us at fair market prices in any event, I don't much care.
The oil is being SOLD to us? At fair market prices even? Alleluyah! All this time I thought we were stealing it.
But I actually favor the moslem-christian contingent trying to limit the Iranian and Syrian empires influence in that region.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 23, 2007 09:23 PM (8e/V4)
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Ken Poop: What the hell does Bush have to do with Lebanon? Friggin idiot.
Posted by: greyrooster at January 24, 2007 12:40 AM (w+w6p)
A gunman fired on Lebanese protesters in the ancient Christian town of Byblos, wounding three people, security sources said. Soldiers arrested the gunman and seized weapons from his house.
Thousands of Lebanese protesters blocked main roads in Beirut and around the country with rubble and burning tires on Tuesday at the start of a general strike called by the opposition to try to topple the government.
No other gunfire was reported during the demonstrations across Lebanon, but some scuffles broke out between protesters and pro-government loyalists, especially in Christian areas.
The strike escalates a campaign by the Hezbollah-led opposition to dislodge the pro-Western government, install a new unity administration and hold early parliamentary elections.
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at January 23, 2007 03:35 AM (Dd86v)
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Ah, I'm back after a long hiatus. Can't believe we still allow mosques and diaper-heads in this country! I guess organized crime is okay as long as it is in the guise of religion. Thanks for playing! ;-)
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at January 23, 2007 03:38 AM (Dd86v)
Hezbollah is making its move. Syria just won't quit. Remember when I said Hezbollah won in the war with Israel? I was called 15 kinds of stupid for that statement. The job wasn't finished. If you leave your enemy behind it will grow and try again. Too much pussyfooting. Same in Iraq. Does the west have the stomach to do what is required to remove the muslim menace?
Posted by: greyrooster at January 23, 2007 11:06 AM (w+w6p)
Hezbollah Used Christians as Human Shields in War
Michael Totten reports from a Christian village in Southern Lebanon. Great read. It evens makes fun of the French. With pics.
Make sure to check out the UN propaganda poster blaming Israel for leaving behind landmines. A theme emerges of the the fighters from 'the Party of Allah' choosing firing position from inside the Christian village, when much better positions would have been outside. The reason? Use the civilians as human shields.
He told me that 18 days after the start of the war a large group of civilians decided it was time to leave Ain Ebel and flee to the north. They were no longer willing to stay while Israel fired back at Hezbollah’s rocket launchers. It was too dangerous, and Hezbollah insisted on staying and endangering those who lived there.
So they fled the area in a convoy of civilian vehicles. It was safer, they figured, to travel in a group than alone.
On their way out of the village, Hezbollah fighters stood on the side of the road and opened fire with machine guns on the fleeing civilians....
"Why?" I had an idea, but I wanted a local person to say it.
Because, Alan said, Hezbollah wanted to use the civilians of Ain Ebel as “human shields.†I did not use the phrase “human shields.†These were Alan’s own words.
Negroponte : Hizb'Allah is a Growing Danger to U.S.
Believe it or not, our politicians really do need experts to tell them these things. Via the AP:
WASHINGTON - Al-Qaida poses the gravest terrorist threat to the United States, and an emboldened Hezbollah is a growing danger, the U.S. intelligence chief said Thursday.
In his annual review of global threats, National Intelligence Director John Negroponte highlighted an increasingly worrisome assessment of Hezbollah — backed by Iran and Syria — since its 34-day war with Israel last year.
“As a result of last summer’s hostilities, Hezbollah’s self-confidence and hostility toward the United States as a supporter of Israel could cause the group to increase its contingency planning against United States interests,†Negroponte told the Senate Intelligence Committee.
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If they are muslims, they are a danger to all. Why hasn't people accepted this fact.
Posted by: Greyrooster at January 11, 2007 08:31 PM (w+w6p)
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Oh, gee, but shan't we attempt to rationalize diplomatically with Iran and Syria, we could be friends.
Posted by: Jenn at January 11, 2007 09:08 PM (d3Ou4)
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Geezzz, even I - a housewife - know that Hizb'Allah (trans.= Allah's Party) know that they are trouble in the making. And I have known this for some time. Kucinich (didn't he run for President?) couldn't name the religious leader of Iran yesterday on Hugh Hewitt!! (The Ayatollah Khomenie). If Negroponte's info. qualifies as intelligence than I could run the agency. From my computer. In my kitchen. In my free time. Randomly surfing. Constantly interrupted.
This is depressing. Gotta go put my head in the sand.
Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at January 11, 2007 09:43 PM (yCS9i)
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Didn't Hizbullah kill american soldiers a decade or two ago.
Last i checked, they have'nt extended the hand of friendship towards America, i'd assume they are hostile till proven otherwise.
Posted by: MK at January 11, 2007 10:19 PM (pVHqF)
So like, theres hot chicks, and cold Kegs, right man? I bet those lebanese hotties will warm right up to my 'patriot missile'.
What? No keg? No chicks? What kinda party IS this? And why ain't there no dam music? What? Allah don't like music? Well he can fly a friggin kite ... What now? He don't like kites ...?
Beheadin? Man, I say YOU better BEHEADIN the f*ck OUTA HERE, OR ELSE!!!
Then we can have us a real party!!!
USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at January 12, 2007 04:54 AM (2OHpj)
France Flies UAV's Over Lebanon to Stop Israeli Overflights
The French contingent of the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL), is in a snit about Israeli intelligence-gathering overflights of Lebanon and have deployed an Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) in an effort to stop the Israeli flights:
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Posted by: USA = GERMANY OF THE 21 th CENTURY at December 11, 2006 03:03 AM (UOvJl)
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I don't get how this is supposed to stop the IAF overflights. Is the United Nations going to accept missions from Israel, then obediently pipe back the surveillance data? I doubt it. So if UNIFIL flies the missions IT wants and keeps the data, how does that make the IAF stop flying the missions THEY want to get THEIR data? What do they think, that the IAF will suddenly decide France has their back? It seems useless, even for providing an argument that the Israeli flights are not needed!
Posted by: Ross at December 11, 2006 03:07 AM (24TcB)
5Pray tell, how will an unmanned plane that can go an average speed of squat will stop an IAF jet?
Barrage balloon UAV?
Posted by: CanForce 101 at December 11, 2006 05:43 AM (xfvyZ)
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The froggies can now surrender by remote control!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 11, 2006 05:52 PM (v3I+x)
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Piss on France and bless Germany. We should have minded our own business.
Posted by: Greyrooster at December 12, 2006 07:59 AM (ezJiI)
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Anyone else notice the "plumber's" crack? These guys can't even get a moment like that right...
Posted by: newyank at December 03, 2006 12:53 PM (l1tqC)
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I noticed my sense of outrage! The rest became a blur!
USA all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at December 03, 2006 09:06 PM (2OHpj)
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I can't seem to grasp the mob mentality of the Lebanese people.They wanted Syrian and Iranian influence out of thier country right,that's why they staged those huge protests back when Rafik Hariri was assassinated.But now after Hizb'allah orchestrated a "war" they are all for bringing that influence right back into power?How can people be so blind and easily lead,err.... Democrats won last months mid terms,nevermind.
Posted by: tarzan at December 03, 2006 11:45 PM (dz4G5)
Christian Lebanese Leader Murdered, Syria Implicated
Outspoken critic of Syria, cabinet minister, and one of the most influential Christian politicians in Lebanon Pierre Gemayel has been assassinated. Sources in Lebanon are already pointing the finger at Syria.
Lebanon is also already bracing for possible civil unrest and retaliation.
Gemayel was a member of the Kataeb Social Democratic Party, more commonly referred to as the Christian Phalange. The armed wing of the Phalange was the most important Christian faction during the Lebanese civil war. His father was the former President Amin Gemayel and his uncle, Bashir Gemayel, was also assassinated shortly after his election as President.
During the civil war the Phalangists forces were allies with Israel. In 1982 it was this same Christian militia, not Israel, that massacred Palestinian refugees in the Sabra and Shatila camps.
Gunmen opened fire as his convoy drove through the Christian Sin el-Fil neighbourhood, they said. Gemayel, who was in his 30s, was rushed to hospital where he later died of his wounds.
Local television footage showed angry and weeping supporters gathering at the hospital.
The killing is certain to deepen a political crisis pitting the anti-Syrian majority against the pro-Damascus opposition led by Hezbollah.
"We believe the hand of Syria is all over the place," Saad al-Hariri, son of assassinated former Prime Minister Rafik al-Hariri, said from Beirut shortly after Gemayel was shot dead.
Hat tip: Snapped Shot (at this writing the site is down)
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One more. Then the land of Lebanon shall know its rightful rulers.
Lebanon needs a representative government, not this group of electoral fraudsters around Mini-Hariri (they openly stole the election in the northern Lebanon leg of the last vote). I see they ally themselves with open fascists like the Gemayals. Deplorable. Mini-Hariri even allied himself with pro-Al-Qa'eda elements and openly is trying to give the Saudis more influence in the country.
One more minister must be gone somehow and the quorum will not be met and the government will fall. If not, massive protests will see to this happening. The present government is a group of traitors who are openly allied with those who sponsered the destruction in the summer. They must be treated as the traitors that they are.
Posted by: R at November 21, 2006 09:47 AM (CV2e/)
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Friggin muslims. This is what the world gets for not helping Lebanon's struggle against the muslims 25 years ago. Muslims are dogs and shouldn't be considered human. I'm sick of their cowardly acts and I'm sick of the cowardly countries that allow this to happen
Posted by: Greyrooster at November 21, 2006 10:35 AM (I+yOi)
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R:
The present government is a group of traitors who are openly allied with those who sponsered the destruction in the summer.
You do realize that the people that are aiming to overthrow the Government, are worse, right? this isn't the people taking back the Government -- this is Iran / Syria in action.
Posted by: davec at November 21, 2006 11:36 AM (QkWqQ)
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Lebanon was badly destablized AGAIN. Hezbollah gained not lost strength after its last battles with Israel.
Christians now probably represent only 1/3 of the population of Lebanon. Just when the conditions in Lebanon really seemed to be improving , that nation again fell apart.
Posted by: John Ryan at November 21, 2006 02:00 PM (TcoRJ)
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but, but,...........we need to TALK to the Syrians, right Mr, Baker?
Posted by: n.a. palm at November 21, 2006 02:06 PM (ZnRR+)
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John Ryan:
Any country that allows a large unmanageable militia to completely militarize it's border, and conduct cross-border raids and kidnap foreign soldiers was stable right? much improved ? let me guess you saw a picture of Lebanese coffee shops, and kids flying kites and thought all was well ?
Posted by: davec at November 21, 2006 07:10 PM (QkWqQ)
1. China offers Iraq very lucrative oil and contractor contracts to replace coalition contractors (Halliburton, Bechtel, Aegis, etc.) that have all pulled out and fled Iraq.
2. Tony Blair strongly supports Iran and Syria's involvement with stabilizing Iraq.
3. The leaders of Iran and Syria invite Iraqi PM Maliki to a summit this weekend to discuss viable solutions to restore stability to Iraq. Tony Blair applauds the gesture.
4. Iraq and Syria re-establish diplomatic ties this week for the first time in over 25 years. Tony Blair applauds this gesture as well.
5. After numerous calls for increased troop levels, drafts and increased troop rotation, the Pentagon admits that they don't even have 20,000 troops to send anywhere because our military has been severely depleted.
6. In a last minute announcement this evening, President Bush is meeting with Iraqi PM Maliki in Jordan next week.
7. Hezbollah calls for "peaceful" demonstrations against the Lebanese government for its complacency with the US and western governments and calls Sec of State Rice a "bloodsucker".
8. A Christian, Anti-Syrian Lebanese official is assassinated today by what is suspected to be either Hezbollah and/or a pro-Syrian group.
Does anybody see a bigger picture emerging here? This Administration's foreign policy has gone beyond a joke. Its a full-on disaster!
Posted by: Syntax at November 22, 2006 01:05 AM (QqVLv)
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I see that they have been having big protests against SYRIA i mean big time their not burning american flags
Posted by: sandpiper at November 24, 2006 12:12 AM (4yJRe)
French Almost Fire on Israeli Jets, Ignore Terrorists
Looks like the French are fighting the war on terrorism in that distinctly French way. No, not by running away. Against Israel.
They claim the shots were almost fired because of repeated Israeli violations of the cease fire agreement. No word yet on when France will begin to implement the most important portion of that agreement: disarming Hezbollah.
French United Nations troops were "two seconds" away recently from firing at Israeli aircraft diving towards their position in southern Lebanon , Defense Minister Michele Alliot-Marie said in parliament.
"Two seconds later there would have been a shot against the aircraft which were directly menacing our forces," Alliot-Marie said.
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Last week the Israelis did the same on a german warship; simulating a attack with switched on laser quided systems! The germans complained. My thouhts were "try nextime motherfucker and you will see a german quided cock aming for your ass!
Arrogant fucks!
Posted by: Dan at November 09, 2006 09:36 AM (ILHet)
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Yeah, be verrry careful around those Fwench and Germans. They really kicked ass over in Bosnia. If I were Israel, I would be afraid. Not!
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 09, 2006 10:15 AM (8PoNP)
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Dr. Rusty - what a joke. The only institutions that would award you a doctorate are found in the back of lowbrow pornography magazines.
Good on the French - if the Israeli's were to mock-strafe American positions, I would hope for the same response - restraint, and a warning.
Being Jewish does not entitle you to ignore international law.
Good luck working on your logic, Rusty. And the doctorate.
Posted by: Machinations at November 09, 2006 11:14 AM (D4Sxg)
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Sounds like the Israelis were about to do to them what they did to the USA when they attacked the USS Liberty (AGTR-5) in 1967 killing and wounding about 200 sailors.
Rusty did that take place durring your enlistment ?
Posted by: John Ryan at November 09, 2006 11:31 AM (TcoRJ)
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The FINUL mission is NOT to disarm Hezbollah, which is the job of the regular Lebanese army. Check your sources before spitting your ignorance, Dr.Loser
Posted by: There at November 09, 2006 12:05 PM (lLR4O)
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I'd love to see France or Germany stick it to Israel. Perhaps the Italians will join in as well.
Posted by: Greg at November 09, 2006 02:10 PM (19GwZ)
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Greg, France better send their army home to protect their automobiles and buses. They are under attack by youths of unknown appearance and ethnicity.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 09, 2006 04:29 PM (8PoNP)
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Or perhaps Mayor Nagin has some rebuilt buses, that were left in floodwaters by the way, that he could send to France to help defray the losses. Now there's some international trade and goodwill there, boy.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 09, 2006 04:31 PM (8PoNP)
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The day the French fire on the Israelis is the day the French get their asses fried. Unlike unarmed African protestors, Israelis will fire back.
Posted by: Don Miguel at November 09, 2006 05:16 PM (+KixN)
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I do believe you have a valid point, Don Miguel. And where is El Cid when we need him?
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 09, 2006 05:52 PM (8PoNP)
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I don't think the IAF fears the frog. I do thing the frog has much more to fear from the IAF if it every came down to it.
Posted by: Joe Gelman at November 09, 2006 08:28 PM (ARqOM)
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"Two secinds away" from firing on the IDF... Yeah, just like they were two seconds away from staving off that German offensive awhile back.
Take a shot at the Israelis like that and they wouldn't be long wiping those brasserie-squatting fops off of the pavement with a sponge.
Posted by: Bryan at November 09, 2006 08:54 PM (Rj4dg)
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Ha, Ha, ha, ha. Now these assholes show their true colors. JEW HATERS. I love it. These friggin lefturds call me everything in the book because of my self admitted prejudice concerning those who have given the world nothing but rap music and peanut butter and crack dealers. Yet, they turn out to hate the people who have given the world everything else. Love it. HEY RUSTY! Learn anything here. Just read some of the comments above. I knew it the entire time. Now who's the racist? Me? Okay. But I'm not alone. The difference is I have reason to be. These lefturds assholes don't. Yes, It's going to be a great next two years.
Posted by: Greyrooster at November 10, 2006 01:20 AM (iEtob)
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Nagin sold all the buses but we can't seem to find where the money went.
Posted by: Greyrooster at November 10, 2006 01:21 AM (iEtob)
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Hmm.....I know where the money went, GR, and so do you, and so do all these liberals. And you nailed these Leftist bastards, shot 'em right through the heart, and showed them to be the bigots and hypocrits they truly are.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 10, 2006 10:23 AM (8PoNP)
Posted by: CafeenMan at November 10, 2006 11:25 AM (eNwl1)
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You have to admit, CafeenMan, Greyrooster got it mostly right, and it does not help to bury your head in the sand and pretend what he said is not true. He might not have put it in the best of words, but what he said is for the most part true.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 10, 2006 03:06 PM (8PoNP)
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I'm not saying he's wrong. I don't keep up with everything and don't have a clue what's going on in New Orleans.
You know what would be really cool? If we could specify what the taxes we pay were used for. Then if we don't want to pay taxes for something then we don't get to use that thing.
For example, if you don't want to pay into Social Security you don't have to. But then you never get paid social security. If you don't want to pay for welfare you don't have to, but you don't get to use it. If you don't want to pay for roads, then you don't get to drive on them. Of couse with so many things our taxes go for it would take the entire year just to fill out the forms.
Posted by: CafeenMan at November 11, 2006 05:25 AM (eNwl1)
Syria and Iran Plan Coup
The is the second part of the plan set in motion by Hisb, Allah's attacks and subsequent war with Israel over the summer. If they are allowed to succeed a new radical Islamist state, a proxy of Iran will be the result. A definate threat and now you see why the cease fire forced upon Israel was a mistake.
BEIRUT: Washington warned of "mounting evidence" Wednesday that Iran, Syria and Hizbullah are "preparing plans to topple" the Lebanese government. White House spokesman Tony Snow said in a statement that "support for a sovereign, democratic and prosperous Lebanon is a key element of US policy in the Middle East."
"We are therefore increasingly concerned by mounting evidence that the Syrian and Iranian governments, Hizbullah and their Lebanese allies are preparing plans to topple Lebanon's democratically elected government, led by Prime Minister [Fouad] Siniora," Snow added.
"Any attempt to destabilize Lebanon's democratically elected government through such tactics as manufactured demonstrations and violence, or by physically threatening its leaders, would, at the very least, be a clear violation of Lebanon's sovereignty" and UN resolutions, he said.
Hizbullah's leader, Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah, warned late Tuesday that Hizbullah and its allies will take to the streets "for as long as it takes ... to either topple the government or hold early and new parliamentary
elections," if consultations to form a national unity government should fail.
Form a new governement? Hisb, Allah does not recognize the authority of the current government and regularlty acts outside it's authority.
Posted by: Howie at November 02, 2006 03:03 PM (D3+20)
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Clear violation of UN resolution. Ha, ha. Like someone gives a shit what the UN thinks. The UN will attack no one but a Christian white nation.
Posted by: Greyrooster at November 02, 2006 03:26 PM (cNF2m)
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They seem awful fond of attacking African nations for their women too. It's become increasingly clear that the UN is only there as a tool to line pockets and crush dissent. I actually feel sorry for Bolton, having to deal with that inanity every day.
It probably won't happen, but I think it would be hilarious if Israel became the saviour of Lebanon against Iran and Syria....Though now that I think about it they might since this is obviously an attempt to box Israel in and increase use of Lebanon as a staging ground against Israel.
Posted by: Ranba Ral at November 02, 2006 04:12 PM (VvXII)
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"Any attempt to destabilize Lebanon's democratically elected government through such tactics as manufactured demonstrations and violence, or by physically threatening its leaders, would, at the very least, be a clear violation of Lebanon's sovereignty" and UN resolutions, he said....
...Unless, of course, it's Israel bombing the shit out of them. That's OK.
Posted by: Greg at November 02, 2006 04:34 PM (v7DMp)
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Greg is such a democrat he believes two wrongs make a right.
Posted by: Greyrooster at November 02, 2006 05:01 PM (cNF2m)
7"this is obviously an attempt to box Israel in and increase use of Lebanon as a staging ground against Israel."
Ranba Ral, I agree 100%. It's the head of the snake that must be cut off; and the head is in Tehran/Iran in the form of the Islamic Republic of Iran and its sympathizers. And I also agree that "screw the UN". I believe the true democracies of the world led by the U.S. ought to get out of the UN immediately.
You see, part of the reason the Mullahcracy of Iran supplied so many missiles to Hizbullah is so these could be used as decoys to inundate the Israeli anti-missile defence system when the Mullah's attack with their WMD missiles.
Fighting Hizbullah without directly attacking the Mullah regime is like trying to treat only the symptomps of disease. The real disease is the mullah regime and anyone and everyone who directly or indirectly supports them.
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at November 02, 2006 05:20 PM (vixLB)
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Rooster,
No Democrat here. Here is my list of who NOT to vote for.
Note that most are Dems:
http://www.wrmea.com/archives/July_Aug_2004/0407027.html
Posted by: Greg at November 02, 2006 05:25 PM (v7DMp)
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Greg lays awake at night, scared of the Jo00oo0's under his bed.
Posted by: davec at November 02, 2006 05:42 PM (QkWqQ)
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After I roll off your old lady I fall sound asleep.
Posted by: Greg at November 02, 2006 05:49 PM (v7DMp)
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Greg, quit joking. You ain't ever rolled off a woman in your life, or rolled on one for that matter. At least be a consistant gay.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 02, 2006 06:05 PM (rUyw4)
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It's all copacetic. After this months mid-term elections are over and things settle down in Iraq, Bush will be free to overthrow the Mullah's regime in Iran, and Baby Assad's in Syria--as scheduled.
It's no coincidence that both countries are now hemmed in by the American military. Both regimes will be history by 2008.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 03, 2006 12:03 AM (bLPT+)
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Always wondered how to spell copacetic. Thanks Jeff.
Posted by: Greyrooster at November 03, 2006 07:46 AM (cNF2m)
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The big surprise in 2008 will be another republican sweep.
Posted by: Greyrooster at November 03, 2006 11:30 AM (cNF2m)
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Right Jeff! We'll get the jump on the whole thing and Ezekiel 38 and Isaiah 17 will never even have to happen! LOL
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at November 03, 2006 11:47 AM (Dd86v)
We won't do anything. President bush will use his armed forces to continue cleaning house in the Middle East. I would say that you're stupid for believing otherwise, but your stupidity was never in question. Time will tell, and you aren't going to like the results.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 03, 2006 07:18 PM (bLPT+)
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If the results are anything like what's been going down the last few years you are probably right, I won't like them. Nice spin you put on it Jeff. The whipped dog slinks away with tail between legs barking I got the last lick in!
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at November 03, 2006 09:11 PM (Dd86v)
Spit out that wad. You moonbat homos said the same thing about Afghanistan and iraq. You said Bush would never invade and that if he did, the mighty muslim cowards Woud beat and humiliate the US. It didn't happen.
You were hopelessly wrong then and you're hopelessly wrong now. The fleas-bitten mullahs are going down. So is Baby Assad.
You're like the guy lying flat on his back waking up and claiming through broken teeth that he whipped the other guy. Try to smell reality, fool.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 03, 2006 11:42 PM (bLPT+)
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And to think I thought Larry could be saved. Well I've been wrong before. What a waste.
Posted by: Greyrooster at November 04, 2006 08:16 AM (cNF2m)
Hezbollah Victory Celebration
(Beirut, Lebanon) Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah is in Beirut to deliver a victory speech today. Apparently Hezbollah won something. I think it's a sense of denial.
Tens of thousands of people are streaming into Beirut for the 'divine victory' rally where victory celebrations will be held by Hizbullah in Dahiya, Beirut, following the war with Israel.
The rally is expected to begin at 4:30 p.m. and according to the Arab media, people began arriving from across the city and villages in south Lebanon from Thursday evening in order to find space.
The celebration is going to be broadcast on the Hezbollah house organ, al-Manar. Check your local listings.
Posted by: richj at September 22, 2006 10:45 AM (Qrjpn)
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I think a bomb right in the middle of that would have snapped them back to reality. Crazy that these guys feed their people such inane lies and everyone is hungry for it all. Of course, this is brought to you by the people who teach that virgins await your soul in heaven - despite the fact that your penis has been incinerated in a truck bombing.
Posted by: Ernie Oporto at September 22, 2006 11:14 AM (WvUov)
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We begin bombing in 5 minutes!! – Ronald Regan 8/11/84
Posted by: Vegas Vic at September 22, 2006 11:32 AM (LL0s4)
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Technically Hezbollah hasn't won the war. When the three soldiers are freed for a prisoner exchange then Hezbollah will win the war so you guys are the ones in denial. Israel should have kicked the bastards asses and instead they are willing to free murderers. Now the terrorists look like heroes. FREE GILAD, EHUD AND ELDAD!!!!!!!!! WE WILL NEVER FORGET YOU!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Thomas Miller at September 22, 2006 11:53 AM (KS824)
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Now, now, let's not go "nuke-yoo-ler" just yet...
However, a couple MOAB's, or perhaps a fragrant FAE or two would dress up that celebration nicely!
Posted by: EricInTexas at September 22, 2006 02:06 PM (daSmG)
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Tood difficult to sneak a MOAB in through the front gate.
Posted by: SeeMonk at September 22, 2006 02:15 PM (7teJ9)
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No, and an FAE requires an air drop - I was thinking perhaps a C-130 with a pig snout painted on the front, and dressed in, say, French livery would be appropos...
Posted by: EricInTexas at September 22, 2006 02:28 PM (daSmG)
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Those of you who deny that the terrorists won are unaware of one of the rules of modern warfare: Perception is reality. It doesn't matter how badly they were beaten; it just matters how badly Israel and America look afterwards.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 22, 2006 06:54 PM (v3I+x)
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A little cross fire to mop things up after the 4000lb bomb goes off would do very well I should think.
Screw Islam! You moon god worshipping POS.
Posted by: Leatherneck at September 22, 2006 07:25 PM (D2g/j)
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IM is 100% correct. The rest of you are just dreamers. As far as the Lebanese & middle east are concerned Hezbollah won. What do you think they're celebrating? Losing. Get real. Liberalism is not accepting the reality.
Posted by: greyrooster at September 23, 2006 07:35 AM (dRys2)
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Victory is defined by who holds the field after the battle is done, and the modern battlefield is the TV or computer screen. If you're wondering who won, look who's strutting and crowing on TV.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 23, 2006 09:32 AM (v3I+x)
Don't get me wrong. I deep down wish Israel was able to completey take off the gloves and pound those militant Iranian/Syrian-supported savages into the desert sands once and for all, as well as send a cruise missle or 700 into Assad's house and Akhmadinnerplate's offices. This desire for total WWII-style domination, however, shouldn't have distracted from the real physical damage Israel had done to Hezbullah's capabilities and resources in the Litani region (and the lack of real physical damage Hezbullah had done to Israeli infastructure or capability).
Propaganda is wonderful, but as we saw in Reutersgate, much of the 'victory for Hezbullah' was media-fueled smoke and mirrors from start to end. And the winds of time more often than not will blow the smoke away.
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Yes, we know Israel won. But they did not win the war of images, and images count. Fresh cadres of terrorists are recruited using imagery-- imagery of Israeli civilians in flight from Arab rockets. Now Israel will have to fight at least one more generation of Arabs before this conflict is over. In that regard this was a loss.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at September 14, 2006 11:57 AM (WCwrR)
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Again with the confusion (conflation?) of tactics and strategy.
The Israeli strategic objectives were:
1) The return of their soldiers (without the necessity of freeing lebanese terrorists.)
2) The destruction of Hezbollah as a political force in Lebanon, either through material attrition in the war phase or through a multinational/lebanese force capable of and willing to complete that disarmament.
3) Increased freedom of maneuver in the coming Iran showdown.
These were their strategic goals, and they failed to achieve them. Instead, they have to bargain for their soldiers, as well as tolerate Hezbollah's continued, emboldened existence, which is in turn now shielded by useless UN human shields. (Who have already stated repeatedly that they intend to do nothing except serve as a tripwire on the border.)
They failed to achieve their strategic goals, hence, they lost the war.
Yes, they achieved great tactical success against tactical targets such as men, weapons, bridges, and even tactical-strategic ones like bridges, c3I, etc. Yes, they won the battles, but they lost the war.
Posted by: jdubious at September 14, 2006 12:42 PM (G7s9a)
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Let us not forget, either, the special role played in this by Jorge Arbusto and the criminal rice.
All they had to do was NOTHING.
So tack that up on the list of Israeli slaps in the face:
Being abandoned by your only ally.
Posted by: jdubious at September 14, 2006 12:46 PM (G7s9a)
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"Yes, they achieved great tactical success against tactical targets such as men, weapons, bridges, and even tactical-strategic ones like bridges, c3I, etc. Yes, they won the battles, but they lost the war."
That's not what the JPost article says, nor is it what an increasing "Arab street" is thinking. Israel is still a thriving, functioning democracy. Lebanon (and Hez.) were heavily damaged with the responsibility falling on Hez.'s shoulders for initiating the conflict, their capability to inflict harm severely reduced and life goes on in Israel. Not so in Hez. controlled Litani and Beiruit (and other places in Lebanon.)
I take it you didn't read the article, because it sort of contradicts a lot of what you just wrote there.
Posted by: Good Lt at September 14, 2006 02:29 PM (jWYAe)
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I beg to differ. I did read the articlem, first of all. And I don't necessarily disagree with all of it.
But I'm not sure the article contradicts my assertions: 1)No soldiers 2)Un acting as human shields for a hezbollah which can now rearm with impunity.
I quote from the article :"These forces will not disarm Hizbullah, which will no doubt make every effort to rearm and replenish its depleted stocks. All the same, they do serve the purpose of reasserting the sovereignty of the Lebanese state in all of its territory."
The first and the second statements are incompatible, insofar as one's sovreignty is determined in part by one's ability to disarm, say, armies of violent lunatics operating in your country. Of course the article contradicts me. It contradicts itself.
"Fortified positions, bunkers and stores in close proximity to the border with Israel have been demolished, and it is highly unlikely that Israel will allow their reconstruction under any circumstances."
What, precisely, will the Israelis do to prevent it, with the UN force in place?
"Whether the achievements of the war prove lasting or not is another question. Can the Lebanese led by Fuad Seniora's government [including Hezbollah, which informed some of its ministers,] build on the new political realities that the war has created?"
That last statement is a pretty big assumption - predicating these new realities on the basis of opinion polls, expert opinions, and "feelings on the street."
We'll see. The israelis fought bravely and well, given the limitations of their leadership. But given the black-and-white failure to achieve the decisive neutralization of hezbollah, the presence of the UN human shields, and the failure to achieve the state goal, i.e., the forcible return of the kidnapped soldiers, the fuzzy assurances the Jpost provides to me sound, honestly, like pure spin.
I wish it weren't like that, I really do. But that's how it sounds.
Posted by: jdubious at September 14, 2006 03:00 PM (G7s9a)
It is spin - just the opposite direction from which you are spinning. It doesn't mean that the article is wrong - just a different take, which happens to be my take. To each his own, I guess.
I don't deny that two of the stated strategic objectives going in weren't accomplished as stated, but that doesn't mean that strategies can't change or adapt, or that they can't expand over time. I wish the soldiers were returned, but I felt that was highly unlikely going in (IMHO). If they are still alive (and I pray they are), that would be somewhat of a surprise to me and a positive development. The last I heard, Is. and Leb. are negotiating a one-for-one swap or something to that effect. I dunno for sure, but I think it was naieve and set the bar a little high to expect bloodlust-filled Hezbos to surrender their 'prizes' just because Israel met them with overpowering military force. Normal states/Westernized states might do such a thing, but suicidal entities like Hez.? Less likely.
I just read something at Winds of Change in which the IDf is increasing its budget for FY 2007 and is working on increasing accountability protocol (as well as trying to chase out the weak political leadership).
So in that sense, I agree that we'll see, since the war between Israel and Hez. isn't really over. You know how many ME conflicts are - low intensity, guerilla and terrorist operations, long and drawn out, etc.
Western armies are in the process of adapting to this kind of warfare - it doesn't necessarily mean that they are "losing" by merely engaging the opponents with a traditional show of strong force while failing to find a needle in a haystack.
So again, we'll see - not a total loss, not really a decisive victory (despite what I asserted in the title and again in the post). And hopefully, Is. can increase its effectiveness in the future with a new government.
Posted by: Good Lt at September 14, 2006 03:15 PM (jWYAe)
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I was one of the "doom and gloom'ers" the other month, for good reason.
I worked this particular issue, up close and personal like, for a number of years, as a Middle East/Levant/North African Analyst, in the EUCOM/NAVEUR theater.
In addition, I have over 30+years in dealing with the Middle East and Arabic speaking peoples in genral.
Color me somewhat skeptical on this report, based upon my experiences with Arabs/Muslims in general.
They've been claiming "victimhood" status since the Reconquista in 1492, and they've had their collective asses kicked so many times, that they now have a type of "racial psychosis", reinforced by the victimhood & "Insha'allah" elements within Isalm itself!
You can see it in everthing they say, and do; every setback, every defeat, is an immediate Conspiracy Theory, the fault of the Americans and/or the Zionist Jews, and then quickly descends into a type of fatalistic acceptance as "Allah's Will", typified by the "Ma'alesh, Bokra, Insha' Allah" (Never mind, tomorrow, God Willing!!).
So, just like Saddam determined that he was the WINNER of the Gulf War, the Egyptians determined that they were the winners of the '73 War, etc., there is no doubt, that despite the fact that the Israelis may have Militararily won the War (thought not at all in as easy or overwhelmming manner as they expected, I expected, and the Arabs expected), the Arabs/Muslims can, and do snatch "Victory" from the jaws of any Defeat!
Now, IF this report is to be believed, and as I said, I'm skeptical, but for now, without any personal evidence that it is not, I'll accept it at face value, it is really, a milestone, for Arabs/Muslims to think like this, and may just in fact be, a tremendous turning point for the region. A refershing gust of reality blowing thru the Middle East? Almost hard to believe.
That said, before I hop on the feel good bandwagon, I would read this post by Doug Farah; definitely, someone didn't get the message that Hezbollah "lost", and here, the internicine inter-Islamic feuds come into play, with Al Qaeda now, unwilling to cede any ground to the Shias/Hezbollah as having "won" a victory against the Zionists, so now Al Qaeda has to compete: http://www.douglasfarah.com/
So, there are some out there, who at least still think the Islamists won, even though maybe in Lebanon, a stunning does of reality may have set in!
Posted by: Dale in Atlanta at September 14, 2006 03:30 PM (u83Bs)
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My gut says you're right, and my head says lets keep some of these postive developments in mind and hope so!
Posted by: Good Lt at September 14, 2006 03:43 PM (jWYAe)
9uh, you support this administration, huh, don't you?
Huh, hmmm, uh, er, Yep.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at September 15, 2006 08:22 AM (M3nr/)
The French UN 'Force': Collaborating or Surrendering?Cross-posted from The Dread Pundit Bluto
Likely the French themselves don't even know whether they're deliberately helping Hizballah re-arm or simply turning a blind eye to avoid unpleasantness.
France announced on Friday that the international naval force designated to patrol Lebanon's territorial waters would not be authorized to employ force to stop ships from entering or leaving Lebanon.
A spokesman for the French defense ministry said that the international craft would only provide assistance for Lebanese ships, and would not interfere with other nations' boats, Israel Radio reported.
Yeah, that'll work. One can imagine the conversation when a Syrian ship, packed with Iranian missiles, enters southern Lebanese waters:
FRENCH CAPTAIN: Ahoy! Please to heave-to zo zat we may inzpect your cargo!
SYRIAN CAPTAIN: We are carrying aspirin and diapers.
FRENCH CAPTAIN: But what are zose large, oblong containers on your deck?
SYRIAN CAPTAIN: Diaper boxes, you meddling dog. Here is a Hershey bar. Go and tell your mother that I am ready for her attentions.
FRENCH CAPTAIN: Very good, m'sieur. Carry on.
"French defense ministry said that the international craft would only provide assistance for Lebanese ships"
The Frenchies are there to 'protect' the Hezbolese against Israeli aggression.
Posted by: mrclark at September 09, 2006 10:48 AM (ssZ1U)
2"The Pirate Armada is coming alongside Fwenchie, prepare to be boarded!"
I had hoped Israel allowed for this "resolution" to take place, in order to show the world, that the United Nations solutions were completely flawed, and without hostile action Hezbollah would not be removed from the border -- it didn't take long for the U.N's ROE to become "do nothing at all" does anyone know why they even carry guns?
Posted by: davec at September 09, 2006 12:26 PM (QkWqQ)
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ROFLMAO tears running from eyes Ha, Ha Oohhhh!
the laughing stops when an Israeli war Vehicle destroys a French Military element when it DOES attempt to overtly protect Hiz from resupply.
French Nuclear force meet Israeli Nuclear force.
Chirac did say he would nuke a terrorist state, He also believes Israel is a terrorist state.remember the noble French phrase when describing Israel "Zat Sheeety leetle cuntry."
Besides No Frenchman has ever surrendered to an Israeli before!
Posted by: Barry 0351 at September 09, 2006 09:00 PM (uy3W4)
The Lebanese Christian website Libanoscopie reports that Palestinians in Lebanon have refused requests to disarm from the Lebanese government:
The Lebanese government would have asked, via an intermediary of Palestinian Fatah representative Abbas Zaki, that the refugee camp located on the edge of the Litani region in south Lebanon be disarmed.
In response, Mounir Mekdad, leader of the Palestinians in the region has categoricaly refused to disarm the Palestinians. In an interview with a Jordanian newspaper, their refusal comes based on their opinion that UN Security Council Resolution 1701 is illegal because it does not specify the return of Palestinians to their territory.
The potential for continued provocations threatening the ceasefire should be obvious.
In the same story, Libanoscopie reports that Hizballah has dismantled 14 fortified positions around the disputed Chebaa Farms area.
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I suspect that this is the result of the fact that the Palestinians in the camps are a lot more afeared of the local Lebanese than Israel. The Lebanese and the Palestinians don't get along so well. It was the Lebanese that actually committed the massacres in Shabra and Shatilla.
Posted by: flydiveski at August 28, 2006 12:08 PM (QytQY)
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Why should they give up their weapons? Afterall - Southern Lebanon is now unofficially defacto Greater Palestine.
Where do these Lebanese get off thinking they are actually in charge of anything.
Posted by: hondo at August 28, 2006 04:39 PM (XrexX)
Lebanese Peacekeeper RouletteI give up. First I heard that France would be sending 'thousands' of peacekeepers to Lebanon. Then I heard that President Chirac decided to send only 200 troops because a large number of troops would be too big a target.
Then I heard that ten French troops actually showed up on the Lebanese shore from a French warship. Later, that number was revised to fifty and called an advance engineering force and Chirac upped his contribution to 400 troops total.
There was so much criticism that it was then reported that France committed to sending 2,000 troops to Lebanon, which was revised downward to 1,600 troops, then bumped up to 1,700.
Now I hear that Chirac is back to the 400-troop level and he considers a peacekeeping force of 15,000 to be excessive.
Frankly, I beginning to believe that French President Jacques Chirac has one of those magic 8-balls. Prior to making a public statement he shakes it and it tells him what to say.
Meanwhile, with presumably more reliable information, Belgian Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt said today that he would initially send 302 peacekeeping troops with the number rising later to 394.
As a result, it's impossible to chart progress toward the deployment of an actual peacekeeping force in Lebanon.
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The real limiting factor for the French is the number of white flags they can produce. After the last set of riots in France, the entire stock of flags was used up by the French police.
Posted by: old_dawg at August 25, 2006 09:16 AM (mvlLy)
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I believe he is actually converting troop levels from metric to imperial units and back. Sometimes if this is done incorrectly, the number will come out wrong.
Posted by: SeeMonk at August 25, 2006 09:37 AM (7teJ9)
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To add further to the confusion, don't forget the Italians. When the French got cold feet, Italy offered to send 3,000-4,000 troops. Then France went back to 2,000. Yesterday I read someplace that France and Italy are now squabbling over who is going to LEAD the mission, with France saying they believe they have been designated by the UN, and Italy's new socialist prime minister saying "no way", Italy had been told they could lead the mission by the US - NOT the UN, the US! Go figure. By the time the UN and the Euroweenies get anything done, there will have been three more wars in the middle east. Reminds me of the Tsunami - while the US and Australian militaries set up hospitals and delivered relief supplies, the UN sent a sizeable delegation to secure suitable hotel accomodations for a conference on how to organize a relief effort.
Posted by: geobandy at August 25, 2006 10:00 AM (a8MXW)
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French delaying just to explore possibly of sending French contingent to Lebanon Kansas without appearing too Polish.
Posted by: hondo at August 25, 2006 10:01 AM (XrexX)
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This is all a farce anyway, because no force that is sent into Lebanon, short of the IDF, is actually going to take steps to stop Hezbullah. Europe has become militarily irrelevant, and is on its way to political irrelevancy, and soon, to cultural extinction. The longer our elected idiots continue to play this game, the stronger our enemies become and the weaker we become.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 25, 2006 10:10 AM (v3I+x)
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Excellent point, IM, and I'm curious to know the last time someone in W. Europe, other than Great Britain, fired a shot in anger. Other than at an uuarmed African in France's case.
Posted by: jesusland joe at August 25, 2006 10:17 AM (rUyw4)
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These are the same unserious jokers that were saying Bush was in a "rush" to get rid of Saddam.
This con game won't be forgotten next time Israel is pounding south Lebanon and the euro-clowns are calling for a ceasefire.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at August 25, 2006 11:25 AM (iDabT)
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The answer to JJ's question:
Germany: WWII
France: Algeria (1950-60 period)
Denmark: WWII (lost to Germany)
Holland: Ditto
Belgium: Sometime in the early 1800's (I think)
Spain: 1930's Civil War (won by Germany)
Portugal: Do they have an army?
Italy: WWII (beaten by Ethiopia)
Posted by: old_dawg at August 25, 2006 02:28 PM (mvlLy)
Even the UK's rabidly leftwing Guardian Unlimited seems to find this alarming:
An internal Lebanese army statement, circulated among forces in the past week, has called for troops to stand "alongside your resistance and your people who astonished the world with its steadfastness and destroyed the prestige of the so-called invincible army after it was defeated".
While the UN peacekeeping force is touted in the West as a deterrent to Hizballah terrorism with a mission to disarm Hizballah, Hizballah's leaders and supporters within the Lebanese army see the peacekeepers as reinforcements in their war with Israel:
The UN's expected deployment of 15,000 troops is seen as an additional force to assist in Lebanon's defence against Israel. "We are happy with such a large force to provide sufficient deterrent to Israeli aggression," said Gen Kader.
This article is a strong indication that those who opposed a quick-fix ceasefire were absolutely correct.
more...
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While C. Rice may have been well-intentioned in trying to bring the focus of the security-council (another farce) on the nuclear ambitions of the Mullahcracy of Iran; she may have really f&%ked up in restraining Israel from its natural right of self-defence.
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at August 19, 2006 11:45 AM (Bp6wV)
Posted by: Bill Faith at August 19, 2006 12:22 PM (n7SaI)
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So.. Now that the 2 have become 1, are they going to change their names to "Lezbollah" afterall?
I'm going to link this to my new blog too, Jedi Meditations, momentarily. (when I say "new".. I mean it.)
Posted by: JeepThang at August 19, 2006 12:37 PM (yZQoS)
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>>>who astonished the world with its steadfastness and destroyed the prestige of the so-called invincible army after it was defeated".
The IDF has been running on fumes since the Yom Kippur war. They need to get their house in order before they lose what little deterrence they have left.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at August 19, 2006 12:49 PM (ILns2)
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If you see through the psy-ops crap, and you see (potentially, be it delusional or not) the enemy being set up... ethically, you keep your mouth shut. Yes?
Posted by: QC at August 19, 2006 01:43 PM (LoKA7)
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The French will be standing strong with Hizbullah too! You knew they would be the first to get down and kiss the arab worlds ass.
Posted by: The Boodge at August 19, 2006 02:06 PM (wPWL0)
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A 5th grade American classroom in the year 2010.
"Now class, please open your books to page 37. There you will see an old map of the Middle East. Now look at the modern map on page 38. Who can tell me why Lebanon, Syria, and Iran are gone?"
Posted by: eman at August 19, 2006 02:25 PM (SD4ZE)
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This isn't going to make me popularbut:
Condi Rice has been captured by the traitorous culture of the State Department. She sold Israel down the river.
Posted by: Keith at August 19, 2006 03:15 PM (gofp3)
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Well, QC, I'm not going to go to the barricades to defend an opinion.
Looking at the shameful record of State--especially where the Saudis are concerned--and looking at the ceasefire deal that Rice was so involved in, the conclusion I reached looks perfectly reasonable.
Do your own research into the record of the State Department.
Posted by: Keith at August 19, 2006 03:57 PM (gofp3)
Others in a probably better vantage point would disagree entirely. E.G. www.yonitheblogger.com
He said on Hewitt's show that the US did more than the Isreali gov. expected they would.
Garduneh Mehr,
The US gave Israel weeks to do whatever they wanted to do. Israel dropped the ball on their own damn feet. I don't see how short of actually deploying US troops into Leb would your opinion be satisfied. Israel was restraint by its own polity and their own misguided sense of loyalty to the UN in signing onto the cease fire.
You wanna know what the first sign of a loser is? Yep, blaming others.
Posted by: adamthemad at August 19, 2006 04:32 PM (mg8C4)
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Israel should have finished them off while they had a chance!!
Posted by: phil at August 19, 2006 04:42 PM (cj19w)
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State delayed arms resupply to Israel. The ceasefire agreement is a joke and I simply don't believe that the U.S. wasn't aware that yet another token U.N. force would allow hezbollah to regroup and re-arm.
If that agreement is the best we in the West could do, then God help us. We're now subservient to a corrupt U.N.
Posted by: Keith at August 19, 2006 04:52 PM (gofp3)
Again, you make a bold statement. Back it up. Source it. Link it.
Posted by: QC at August 19, 2006 05:40 PM (LoKA7)
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QC, again--do your own research and refute it.
I read too many sources to be bothered going back and finding something for someone too lazy to do their own work.
Posted by: Keith at August 19, 2006 07:38 PM (gofp3)
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If the Hezbollah "disarms", won't its veterans just join the Lebanese Army?
Posted by: anarchistmanifesto at August 19, 2006 07:41 PM (IV+rS)
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For QC:
State Dept. Wants to Delay Arms to Israel
According to the New York Times, State Department officials are working to delay arms shipments to Israel: Israel wants hastened shipment of US rockets: NYT.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 19, 2006 10:28 PM (gT5i+)
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The fact France is only sending 200 troops tells you they know this is a pause before the next phase of combat. They do not want to be in the middle.
Posted by: SeeMonk at August 19, 2006 11:40 PM (n4VvM)
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>>>be it delusional or not) the enemy being set up... ethically, you keep your mouth shut. Yes?
Hard to say, given I haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at August 20, 2006 12:02 AM (ILns2)
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I hope someone in the Treasury Dept. kept the reciept for that $50 Mil we pledged to send to Lebanon...
Posted by: Stewed Hamm at August 20, 2006 12:54 AM (IoR5s)
A sorry excuse for a country that only really exists on paper and in the minds of the hopelessly naive status quo'ers.
GR - check out the real history of lebanon for '43 on. If not for the US & Israel being the Great Satan & Little Satan - the muslims would be focusing their rage at the other interloper in the area - tiny Lebanon (the tiny Satan).
Pity Lebanon - who is their benefactor and supporter? Answer: France n' the Euros ..... now that's oh soooo funny .... and oh sooooo sad!
Posted by: hondo at August 20, 2006 02:51 AM (XrexX)
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Oh - Olmert is also a hopelessly naive status quo'er - who pulled his punches in a lame attempt to "not" destabilize the Lebanonese govt., which was only a facade to begin with. Guess that makes Olmert a loser.
Posted by: hondo at August 20, 2006 03:05 AM (XrexX)
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You are talking about the topic and not the Staten Island Yankees AA - right?
Posted by: hondo at August 20, 2006 03:08 AM (XrexX)
Truth is - the ball game was more interesting. I love minor leaque and I truly love Little League - makes it easier to forget there is a Lebanon, Olmert, Israel, Huzzbaby etc - at least for awhile.
Posted by: hondo at August 20, 2006 12:04 PM (XrexX)
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As soon as the cease fire was being talked about in conjunction with the UN I knew it was a Victory for Hezbollah! I can't imagine what Bush and Rice were thinking, Hell, they obviously Weren't!
Maybe Isreal was gettin it's Ass whipped, it's the only reason I can think of for not letting them Destroy Hezbollah! If Beruit Need to be Turned into DUST, so be it!
I think this also needs to be applied in Iraq, It's time to stop letting our soldiers stand by and have pot shots taken at them!
I'd have a long talk with the Powers in Iraq and let them know just how it was going to work from now on, The Shit Holes in Irag are going to Be DUST!
Period, End of Story!! Drop the Leaflets, give the warning and the Turn them into a Parking Lot!
Fuckem
I'm damn tired of watching our soldiers being Killed, Lettem Loose!
Posted by: Mike at August 20, 2006 01:11 PM (w3HDb)
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>>>QC, again--do your own research and refute it.
I hear you. I've spend what feels like endless hours arguing with Libs, providing source after source. But all they feel the need to do is shoot down the sources on trivialities. But they never back their own shyte up. We should just take them at their own schtoopid word it seems. We're arguing with ignoramuses.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at August 20, 2006 01:32 PM (ILns2)
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Hope the US money pledged to rebuild the Leb infrastructure at least makes Hizb'allah comfy and cozy while the UN facilitates re-arming them.
/sarc
Calamity and disaster don't quite seem like potent enough words for this situation, so I guess farce will have to do.
Posted by: Hucbald at August 20, 2006 02:43 PM (Qb6YN)
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Nothing new on this post. We knew this weeks ago.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 20, 2006 07:34 PM (IcUVJ)
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Wussies just like us! Doesn't anyone have the balls to carry a war to a finale!? Fore! L o ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 0
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at August 20, 2006 11:37 PM (gLMre)
French Soldiers Arrive in Lebanon
I just saw it on CNN. A French warship arrived off the coast of Lebanon and ten French soldiers got into little boats for transport onshore. Obviously, they're the first contingent of the promised 200 French peacekeepers [It is 200, isn't it, or has that changed?].
They didn't appear to be carrying much equipment. It will probably be delivered later.
Posted by: Darth Odie at August 19, 2006 10:07 AM (YdcZ0)
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What a farce! Hasn't Hizbullah already reneged on disarming?
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at August 19, 2006 10:50 AM (Bp6wV)
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The idea that the French will be neutral or at the least not pro-hezbolah is dumb. They will take sides and then protect the terrorist as they re-arm.
I have a photo retrospective of French military uniforms defensive training on my site.
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"They will take sides and then protect the terrorist as they re-arm."
I must disagree with that. France used to be the imperial ruler of present day Syria and Lebanon. Besides, why would they support a terror organization that blew up 58 of their paratroopers? That makes no sense, period.
Posted by: anarchistmanifesto at August 19, 2006 07:36 PM (IV+rS)
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Yeah - impressive isn't it.. I noted that it was 50, not that it makes much difference.
Posted by: Sticky Notes at August 19, 2006 09:41 PM (+aC/q)
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AM, what in the frenchies' long history of unbelievably poor decisions and betrayals makes you think they won't side with the enemy? They loved Hitler, and were kissing Saddam's ass right up until we invaded, even though they were supposed to be helping enforce the UN sanctions on Iraq. The french are a disgraceful, craven race of gutless cowards, and richly deserve their coming extinction at the hands of the savages they support.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 19, 2006 10:07 PM (v3I+x)
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The French arrived with their war equipment. Each soldier carried two pounds of butter, one pound of bacon, one gal of heavy cream, a bunch of shallots and 5 pounds of goose liver.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 19, 2006 10:33 PM (gT5i+)
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Before France falls, we must save news -anchorwoman, Melissa Theuriau!
Posted by: JeepThang at August 20, 2006 12:44 AM (yZQoS)
Porthos, D'Artangan, Aramis, Athos well that's four.
then you have 4 servants 1 for each, that makes 8 total.
2 left who might they be????
Posted by: brettbum at August 20, 2006 01:53 AM (0blCL)
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What doesn't make sense to me is why didn't Israel get any concrete details on who the peace keepers are going to be, exactly from which countries and how many, as well as what the rules of engagement are going to be, prior to any agreement. These things should have been discussed and agreed-upon in advance, as to not introduce any surprises.
Posted by: Mike at August 20, 2006 02:23 AM (KpYkl)
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I hear these French troops are arriving heavilly armed with sharp baguettes and stale croissants. They even braught a mobile Cheese artillary piece. Those hizbollah mofos better fall in line now.
Posted by: Jacque at August 20, 2006 02:39 AM (u3bd/)
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The froggies have an even longer history of anti-semitism than even the Germans, and have been kissing arab asses longer than anyone else, so I don't think the hezzies have too much to worry about.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 20, 2006 06:50 AM (v3I+x)
Stratfor on the cease-fireStratfor on the Israel-Lebanon cease-fire:
All [Hezbollah] did was survive and, at the end of the war, retain its ability to threaten Israel with such casualties that Israel declined extended combat. Hezbollah did not defeat Israel on the battlefield. The group merely prevented Israel from defeating it. And that outcome marks a political and psychological triumph for Hezbollah and a massive defeat for Israel. ...
[W]hen a reality that has dominated a region for 58 years is shattered, it is historic. Perhaps this paves the way to new wars. Perhaps Olmert's restraint opens the door for some sort of stable peace. But from where we sit, he was sufficiently aggressive to increase hostility toward Israel without being sufficiently decisive to achieve a desired military outcome.
Hezbollah and Iran hoped for this outcome, though they did not really expect it. They got it. The question on the table now is what they will do with it.
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" he was sufficiently aggressive to increase hostility toward Israel without being sufficiently decisive to achieve a desired military outcome " Rash of that going around! Deja Vu all over again!! :-(
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at August 16, 2006 12:20 AM (gLMre)
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at August 16, 2006 12:21 AM (gLMre)
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Its a trap! Israel did it this way on purpose. As anyone who has dueled with lightsabers knows... sure, cutting off the hand is nice, but if you can sucker the head close enough.. well that works better.
Posted by: JeepThang at August 16, 2006 05:32 AM (yZQoS)
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Nobody ever took the guy seriously who lost a fight. We have all seen what happens when the loser keeps running his mouth. Eventually he take a haymaker right to the chin; and drops like a bad habit.
I don't believe Israel planned to do the job half way. It just turned out like that. They may even change leaders. But they will not change their commitment to National Security.
Hezbollah and Iran and Syria can run their mouths all they want. Talk is cheap.
Posted by: SeeMonk at August 16, 2006 06:59 AM (7teJ9)
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The Israelis, and we here in America, are learning the lessons of what you get when you elect liberals to government. We elected our first liberal President in 1960, and with the sole exception of 1980-1988, have been on a downhill slide ever since. If Americans or Israelis are stupid enough to put liberals in power again after this, we all deserve what we get, because we can't say we didn't know.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 16, 2006 09:18 AM (v3I+x)
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I said this several weeks ago, that in ten years when Arab armies are marching on Jerusalem, we will look to this battle with Hesbollah as the beginning of the end for Israel.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at August 16, 2006 10:29 AM (8e/V4)
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One would have to be a true academic ostrich not to see the terrific gains Hezbollah has made. Worse, when Hezbollah wins the filthy Iranian pigs win. Oh no. I did it again. Call the racist police.
Hell, we might even interview their sicko president on national television and beam it all over the world.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 16, 2006 11:55 AM (vCjBd)
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Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, imitating President Johnson`s command and control, has given Israel their very own "Vietnam." The politico/socio/military damages will not easily be mended. He led his tiny nation headon into a well-organized, armed, motivated guerilla sanctuary which was mentally prepared to: "Lose a hundred battles a week, until you are destroyed!"
And like we did, he agreed to leave before the job was done.
The ramifications are many and broad.
* Israel`s morale is low.
* Islam`s morale is high.
* Iran will listen to no one.
* Iraq opposition will take advantage.
* Muslims will swell with newfound uphoric "honor".
* The GWOT suffered a setback.
* Terrorism will exploit the confusion of our setback.
* The UN will make that exploitation difficult to quash.
* Our President and State Secretary will be endlessly hounded; more than ever.
* Doubters will become more vocal.
* AND most important, the WILL to perservere will start shipping seawater in every compartment!
Israel`s hesitation to accomplish the mission they so clearly stated at the outset had laid the last plank in the road leading to a war with Iran.
And the timing is rotten................because our leadership has to revisit fighting this world war on Marguis De Queensbury rules while the savage in the ring honors no rule!
Patience and common sense are in for hardest test in history.
Semper Fi,
Posted by: forest hunter at August 16, 2006 04:09 PM (TjUVb)
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Well said Forest Hunter, well said and Semper Fi.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 16, 2006 04:40 PM (wmcSd)
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With any luck, the Knesset will vote "no confidence" on Olmert and his cabinet very soon, and the Israelis will get smart and elect someone with a brain, spine, and balls.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 16, 2006 10:48 PM (v3I+x)
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As they say in the Ghetto. Your rep is everything. Olmert, just hurt Israel's rep. Got to get it back quick. Let these Islamofacists think they can win and things will get worse.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 17, 2006 08:00 AM (W1CgA)
Michael Totten’s Front Line Dispatch
Michael Totten has a great post today. He also is seeking support for his stay to allow him to continue his reporting. I read it. It’s very good as usual and the pics are fantastic and unaltered.
Michael Totten: Real war is not like the movies. At least it isn’t always. It is slow and methodical. I don’t know what the Israeli army was shooting at when they fired their shells into Lebanon. Those who fired the shells didn’t know either. Unlike Hezbollah, though, they were shooting at actual targets. They were not just firing explosives at random toward Lebanese towns. Soldiers on the other side of the border had specific military targets in mind, and they called in coordinates.