September 27, 2007
Hot Shilpa Shetty Arrested in India Again for Gere Kiss
Hot Bollywood actress and former star of the British version of Celebrity Big Brother Shilpa Shetty was arrested once again today for hugging & kissing Richard Gere in public. She was detained by Mumbai while on her way to Germany for the opening of her new musical Miss Bollywood.
Hot Bollywood actress and former star of the British version of Celebrity Big Brother Shilpa Shetty was arrested once again today for hugging & kissing Richard Gere in public. She was detained by Mumbai while on her way to Germany for the opening of her new musical Miss Bollywood. Shelpy was eventually let go, but news agencies claim she was detained for some time.
Shilpa Shetty still faces "obscenity" charges in India. So does Richard Gere who has apologized for the row he caused in India for his actions at the AIDS awareness event.
Is India a free country? Well, not exactly. You'll remember that The Jawa Report is banned in India. We're pretty sure the ban is no longer enforced, but it's telling that the largest democracy in the world finds it necessary to censor offensive content.
If Mumbai rings a bell, it's the same city that a series of bombs exploded killing dozens. Just this week police in Mumbai found unexploded nail bombs on the trains once again.
So, you'd think that authorities in Mumbai would have better things to do than detain a hot young actress who's only crime is the bad taste of letting Richard Gere publicly kiss her.
Still, we're hopeful that India is slowly coming to its senses. more...
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April 17, 2007
Richard Gere Kisses Shilpa Shetty--Riots Ensue
Shilpa Shetty (pics) received a few friendly hugs and kisses from Richard Gere (no pics) at a recent AIDS awareness event. This, of course, caused massive riots in India, and one fellow even plans to press charges:
New Delhi, April 17 (IANS) After protests in several cities over Richard Gere's on-stage kissing and hugging of Bollywood actor Shilpa Shetty, an NGO activist here Tuesday filed a police complaint against the celebrity duo.Update by Rusty: Some effigy burning video here.Subodh Jain, head of a small NGO called Citizen Fundamental had filed the complaint early Tuesday in the Man Sarovar police station in northeast Delhi, for 'spreading obscenity' at a public place.
'I have filed a police complaint against Gere for spreading obscenity at a public place and against Shetty for supporting him,' Jain, a journalist-turned activist, told IANS.
During the AIDS awareness event on Sunday evening at the Sanjay Gandhi Transport Nagar, Gere hugged Shetty, bent over her and planted several kisses on her cheeks.
The kissing episode has raised the hackles of several conservative groups, with protestors coming out on the streets and burning effigies of the actors. Protests were staged in Kanpur, Varanasi (both in Uttar Pradesh), Indore (Madhya Pradesh), Jaipur (Rajasthan), Mumbai and Delhi.
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I don't understand. What's the problem? Are these complainers muslims? And Richard Gere should keep his hands to himself. Friggin libturd.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 18, 2007 06:45 PM (MTHRd)
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I get it now. It's a Hindu thing about public displays. Perhaps Gere should think before getting handsy with people from other countries. If they are against public displays it should be acknowledged. Wonder what their movies are like? Boring? Or can you get it on in the movies. Then again, isn't aids running rampant in India? The lefturd was only trying to help. But a lefturd is a lefturd. You Hindu's need to cool it. She isn't screwing whitey. She only wishes she was.
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January 19, 2007
Will the UK-India Relationship Survive the Shilpa Shetty Debacle?
So, Shilpa Shetty, one of the most popular actresses in India, agrees to play this "Big Brother" reality game show on British TV. Shilpa and her new roomies (who were hand-picked to generate conflict) don't get along so well all cooped up together all the time. They end up creating a lot of drama (which is, of course, the whole point of picking them and cooping them up together all the time.) So now the tension in the Big Brother house has boiled over into an international incident. Protesters are denouncing Shilpa's British roomies as "racists" and burning them in effigy in the streets. Pundits are discussing whether this silly game show may permanently damage UK-India relations. Here's a Big Brother clip of one of the "arguments" between Shilpa and one of her roomies:
Update: Jawa commenter "Northern Cross" claims that "Jermaine" is Jermaine Jackson. I guess that would explain why he's such a girly wuss.
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I thought that was a man wearing the yellow shirt until I saw breasts.
Although, I'm still not sure.
Although, I'm still not sure.
Posted by: MidnightSun at January 19, 2007 01:57 PM (mtLy3)
Posted by: Darth Odie at January 19, 2007 02:44 PM (2cR/Y)
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Jade Goodie, international ambassador.
Ick.
Will the last person to flee England in abject shame please remember to turn out the lights...?
Ick.
Will the last person to flee England in abject shame please remember to turn out the lights...?
Posted by: Joe Public at January 19, 2007 02:46 PM (gxG2t)
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indians are so pathetic. boo hoo hoo there is some strife on big brother and now we have to cry and whine and burn things in the street.
yawn.
yawn.
Posted by: Jonathan Marks at January 19, 2007 02:51 PM (Nhfns)
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Dood, is that Jermaine Jackson? LOL, whoudathought a member of the Jackson family would ever get caught in the middle of an international incident?
Posted by: Northern Cross at January 19, 2007 04:00 PM (Jwdal)
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Did a bit of digging and it is indeed Jermaine. Interesting stufff...he's been getting some flak in the British public ever since he called someone else "white trash" on camera, which a lot of Brits interpret as racist against whites. It never occured to me that it was, since in this country I hear you white people using it even more than us non-whites. But maybe it is, I dunno. Does anyone here think that the Brits are right about that?
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The term "white trash," like "redneck," is usually classist & culturalist, but it's also got a racial element to it when it's used by a minority. If a rich white man calls a poor white man "white trash," it's the "trash" rather than the "white." If a trashy black woman calls a trashy white woman "white trash," it's the "white," rather than the "trash," that carries the weight.
Posted by: Ragnar the Shameless Link Whore at January 19, 2007 04:41 PM (c/4ax)
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So IWO it's contextual, like when JayZ calls another African-American a "ni**er". My white friends from college didn't seem to get offended the first time I used the term, but then we also understood that not all "white trash" is "white". A compromise of sorts (if you can call it that, since there was no disagreement) was reached when one of my friends suggested just calling them trailer trash. It just sounded less un-PC and all.
Ah, USCS...fun times!
Ah, USCS...fun times!
Posted by: Northern Cross at January 19, 2007 06:29 PM (Jwdal)
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Sleep now, here's 56 channels of trash to watch, Sleep now. The Government is in control.
Posted by: davec at January 19, 2007 08:02 PM (yaQM4)
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Northern cross: And I hear blacks calling each other niggers far more than I hear white people calling blacks niggers. Must be a black thing.
Posted by: greyrooster at January 19, 2007 08:24 PM (w+w6p)
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If a trashy Black woman calls a classy White woman White trash, it's definitely racist. "White trash" is racist every time a Black person says it. If it isn't, then it isn't racist for a White person to call a Black person a nigger.
There is a huge double standard concerning racial epithets in this country. I cant count how many times I've gotten into fights over the phrase "White boy." Racist Blacks actually believe they can use anti-White slurs with impunity, because due to misplaced White guilt, they usually can.
I'm going to write something that's very politically incorrect, but something that everybody knows is axiomatic: Blacks are the worst racists in America, by far.
Let the accusations of my alleged racism fly.
There is a huge double standard concerning racial epithets in this country. I cant count how many times I've gotten into fights over the phrase "White boy." Racist Blacks actually believe they can use anti-White slurs with impunity, because due to misplaced White guilt, they usually can.
I'm going to write something that's very politically incorrect, but something that everybody knows is axiomatic: Blacks are the worst racists in America, by far.
Let the accusations of my alleged racism fly.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 19, 2007 10:17 PM (abVz3)
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I wrote this to incredibleindia.org, and thought it would fly here too.
I just saw the recent ad you took out in the free newspaper "London Lite", inviting jade Goody to India.
Perhaps you were unaware, but I understand she has already visited India.
I don't doubt for a minute that India is a wonderful place: in fact, my Grandfather was a Major in the British Army there during the second world war, and he had nothing but praise for the people of that country. However, in your ad you (unsurprisingly) fail to mention the appalling poverty, the utter disgrace that is the caste system and the racial tension / racism that also exists over there. This whole "Big Brother" controversy will probably prove to be a storm in a teacup, and after it dies down we will perhaps be left with the thought that you have unfairly painted Goody as a racist by taking out the advertisement. It actually seems rather cheap of you to capitalise on the issue by making the ad: almost as if you see it as an opportunity to make some business out of a negative and serious issue. Perhaps Goody bullied the actress Shilpa Shetty because Shetty somehow was looking down her nose at her, and trying to appear superior. Whilst there is no excuse for bullying, this certainly does not make Goody a racist.
Although what follows is rather long, it is penetrating, and needs to be said.
There is a often a phenomenon that certain Indian people experience when they come to Britain: it happens when a rich or renowned Indian who probably has servants and perhaps a high social standing in India expects that somehow their assumed superiority will travel with them to Britain on the plane. However, when they arrive here (unfortunately?) few people recognise this social standing (perhaps because we have our own unique class system that they find it difficult to fit into), and they subsequently often become bitter due to what they perceive as ill treatment (or incorrectly perceive as racism) over here. Perhaps an illustration or example would help here.
The first generation of Indians that came here generally worked in factories or did jobs that were considered menial. However, as you know, they invariably also worked incredibly hard, starting up small businesses such as "cash and carry" wholesale outlets or corner-shops. Their offspring have subsequently gone on to do very well educationally, in business, the medical profession and almost all other walks of life in Britain. However the unwritten "old money" side of the class system in Britain somehow often does not welcome or recognise these British Indians as one of their own: this is probably because these people are essentially "nouveau riche" - they have acquired their wealth within their generation. Now I am sure that many of these people are perfectly happy about this, and do not crave to be part of such an outmoded and silly class system. Unfortunately there are also many who, despite, for example, studying at Cambridge and being financially successful, find that they are not treated with the deference and respect that they feel they deserve. This is not racism. Britain is just the way it is: the refined upper echelons of its elite are perhaps not so easily impressed.
I lived in Dubai for a couple of years, and the Indian newspapers there were full of "lonely hearts" columns, strangely, mostly apparently written by the parents of the "lonely heart", and the point that stood out was that nearly every ad mentioned the idea of a "good family": the problem is that if every ad mentions a "good family" the concept becomes somewhat diluted. Ultimately the impression that one came away with was that Indian people have a kind of terribly snobbish class-obsessed culture (perhaps due to the shameful caste system there), and that this system (sadly echoing the British class system in some ways) can often unfortunately exclude any kind of spontaneity, freedom of choice or intrinsic respect of the decency and potential of humanity, in all its guises. Of course (although this is another issue) in the West marriage is invariably a more individual decision, that often does not involve having the prerequisite of the approval of the parents.
It was interesting to note that Shilpa Shetty said "I just want every Indian to be extremely proud that I'm in here" when she went into the Big Brother house: interesting because another contestant, the American actor Dirk Benedict, did not feel it was necessary to say "I just want every American to be extremely proud that I'm in here", in spite of the fact that he was American. One could conclude that Shetty perhaps had some kind of issues about her background or about the way that Indians are perceived in the West before she even stepped foot in the house. Either that or she was just looking for the nationalist vote.
Another interesting aside is the fact that Shetty is a "Bollywood" actress. Interesting because of the way that Bollywood films are viewed in the West. The Bollywood media often mention the fact that they produce more films per year than any other country. Whist in one sense this is impressive, in art, the concept of quantity is not really a consideration: the consideration is, if anything, of quality. The invariably melodramatic Bollywood productions are essentially a niche product: product being the apposite word. Bollywood is actually (amongst other things) a huge production line - a factory making a product, a product employing formulaic ingredients that are known to be popular with the consumer. The Bollywood film makers will often resort to plagiarism or other methods to achieve success at the box office. Because Bollywood is really more about money, and less about art. Whilst there are obviously very talented choreographers, musicians, editors, directors and actors that are involved in the production of these films, they are nonetheless generally taken lightly in terms of serious film in the West. There are some incredible songs, colours and set pieces in some of the modern (and especially vintage) Bollywood films, but these films really usually just serve merely as a means of escape (perhaps from poverty or depravation) to the millions of film-goers in India. Recently there have been several Bollywood films that have attempted to approach the idea of serious film-making, and this is to be applauded, but Bollywood films have yet to be successful in terms of critical acceptance. The fact that they critically do rather poorly in the West (for example, at the Cannes Film Festival) is not because of racism. It is because they are are essentially formulaic musicals.
So a Bollywood actress coming to Britain and expecting to be respected because she is considered to be an artist in her own country will possibly be disappointed: over here, amongst the critical and artistic elite, Bollywood movies (and subsequently Bollywood actors) are loved for their quirky and unique style, but not really taken seriously. The idea of Hamlet breaking into song is not one that we relish.
So whilst you are of course free to take out as many advertisements as you want that capitalise on the racism accusations in the "Big Brother", it would perhaps serve you well to look at the issues you face your on own doorstep.
And the next time you jump up onto your high horse, be careful to first step back, and look again. It may be a mule.
Jack Baber
I just saw the recent ad you took out in the free newspaper "London Lite", inviting jade Goody to India.
Perhaps you were unaware, but I understand she has already visited India.
I don't doubt for a minute that India is a wonderful place: in fact, my Grandfather was a Major in the British Army there during the second world war, and he had nothing but praise for the people of that country. However, in your ad you (unsurprisingly) fail to mention the appalling poverty, the utter disgrace that is the caste system and the racial tension / racism that also exists over there. This whole "Big Brother" controversy will probably prove to be a storm in a teacup, and after it dies down we will perhaps be left with the thought that you have unfairly painted Goody as a racist by taking out the advertisement. It actually seems rather cheap of you to capitalise on the issue by making the ad: almost as if you see it as an opportunity to make some business out of a negative and serious issue. Perhaps Goody bullied the actress Shilpa Shetty because Shetty somehow was looking down her nose at her, and trying to appear superior. Whilst there is no excuse for bullying, this certainly does not make Goody a racist.
Although what follows is rather long, it is penetrating, and needs to be said.
There is a often a phenomenon that certain Indian people experience when they come to Britain: it happens when a rich or renowned Indian who probably has servants and perhaps a high social standing in India expects that somehow their assumed superiority will travel with them to Britain on the plane. However, when they arrive here (unfortunately?) few people recognise this social standing (perhaps because we have our own unique class system that they find it difficult to fit into), and they subsequently often become bitter due to what they perceive as ill treatment (or incorrectly perceive as racism) over here. Perhaps an illustration or example would help here.
The first generation of Indians that came here generally worked in factories or did jobs that were considered menial. However, as you know, they invariably also worked incredibly hard, starting up small businesses such as "cash and carry" wholesale outlets or corner-shops. Their offspring have subsequently gone on to do very well educationally, in business, the medical profession and almost all other walks of life in Britain. However the unwritten "old money" side of the class system in Britain somehow often does not welcome or recognise these British Indians as one of their own: this is probably because these people are essentially "nouveau riche" - they have acquired their wealth within their generation. Now I am sure that many of these people are perfectly happy about this, and do not crave to be part of such an outmoded and silly class system. Unfortunately there are also many who, despite, for example, studying at Cambridge and being financially successful, find that they are not treated with the deference and respect that they feel they deserve. This is not racism. Britain is just the way it is: the refined upper echelons of its elite are perhaps not so easily impressed.
I lived in Dubai for a couple of years, and the Indian newspapers there were full of "lonely hearts" columns, strangely, mostly apparently written by the parents of the "lonely heart", and the point that stood out was that nearly every ad mentioned the idea of a "good family": the problem is that if every ad mentions a "good family" the concept becomes somewhat diluted. Ultimately the impression that one came away with was that Indian people have a kind of terribly snobbish class-obsessed culture (perhaps due to the shameful caste system there), and that this system (sadly echoing the British class system in some ways) can often unfortunately exclude any kind of spontaneity, freedom of choice or intrinsic respect of the decency and potential of humanity, in all its guises. Of course (although this is another issue) in the West marriage is invariably a more individual decision, that often does not involve having the prerequisite of the approval of the parents.
It was interesting to note that Shilpa Shetty said "I just want every Indian to be extremely proud that I'm in here" when she went into the Big Brother house: interesting because another contestant, the American actor Dirk Benedict, did not feel it was necessary to say "I just want every American to be extremely proud that I'm in here", in spite of the fact that he was American. One could conclude that Shetty perhaps had some kind of issues about her background or about the way that Indians are perceived in the West before she even stepped foot in the house. Either that or she was just looking for the nationalist vote.
Another interesting aside is the fact that Shetty is a "Bollywood" actress. Interesting because of the way that Bollywood films are viewed in the West. The Bollywood media often mention the fact that they produce more films per year than any other country. Whist in one sense this is impressive, in art, the concept of quantity is not really a consideration: the consideration is, if anything, of quality. The invariably melodramatic Bollywood productions are essentially a niche product: product being the apposite word. Bollywood is actually (amongst other things) a huge production line - a factory making a product, a product employing formulaic ingredients that are known to be popular with the consumer. The Bollywood film makers will often resort to plagiarism or other methods to achieve success at the box office. Because Bollywood is really more about money, and less about art. Whilst there are obviously very talented choreographers, musicians, editors, directors and actors that are involved in the production of these films, they are nonetheless generally taken lightly in terms of serious film in the West. There are some incredible songs, colours and set pieces in some of the modern (and especially vintage) Bollywood films, but these films really usually just serve merely as a means of escape (perhaps from poverty or depravation) to the millions of film-goers in India. Recently there have been several Bollywood films that have attempted to approach the idea of serious film-making, and this is to be applauded, but Bollywood films have yet to be successful in terms of critical acceptance. The fact that they critically do rather poorly in the West (for example, at the Cannes Film Festival) is not because of racism. It is because they are are essentially formulaic musicals.
So a Bollywood actress coming to Britain and expecting to be respected because she is considered to be an artist in her own country will possibly be disappointed: over here, amongst the critical and artistic elite, Bollywood movies (and subsequently Bollywood actors) are loved for their quirky and unique style, but not really taken seriously. The idea of Hamlet breaking into song is not one that we relish.
So whilst you are of course free to take out as many advertisements as you want that capitalise on the racism accusations in the "Big Brother", it would perhaps serve you well to look at the issues you face your on own doorstep.
And the next time you jump up onto your high horse, be careful to first step back, and look again. It may be a mule.
Jack Baber
Posted by: Jack at January 20, 2007 12:05 AM (FGflZ)
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 20, 2007 01:23 AM (abVz3)
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Good comments all around, and I especially liked the discussion of racist verbage, and the double standard that is shown in many cases. USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at January 20, 2007 02:29 AM (2OHpj)
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Of course any White person who has a disagreement with a Brown person
is a racist. Bow your head White Man and submit to your new masters!
is a racist. Bow your head White Man and submit to your new masters!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 20, 2007 10:43 AM (eGb9y)
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I think the word "redneck" is racist, so I try not to use it. I did not know that the Brits were of the same mindset.
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This will probably be the last comment of mine that any of you read on
this blog since my words obviously upset the livestock and get deleted
as fast as I can write them on most posts, but it's not really
important, since most of the regulars here seem to be useless eunuchs
anyway, and don't have the balls to do what is necessary in this war
for survival. May your new masters be merciful to you.
this blog since my words obviously upset the livestock and get deleted
as fast as I can write them on most posts, but it's not really
important, since most of the regulars here seem to be useless eunuchs
anyway, and don't have the balls to do what is necessary in this war
for survival. May your new masters be merciful to you.
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January 17, 2007
Say Hello to Shilpa Shetty
Why are these pics here? Because Shilpa Shetty's gorgeous. Do we need another reason?
MORE BELOW THE FOLD
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Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 17, 2007 07:50 PM (8e/V4)
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Nice babe. Horrible name.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 17, 2007 09:00 PM (abVz3)
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like to have her in my caste.
Posted by: dr. akim ullshitbay at January 17, 2007 09:17 PM (WT8ey)
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Can't find any blondes? I like blondes with big hooters and long legs. You are obviously a racist. You never put blond American girls on the blog.
Unless they are scags like Britney Spears or Paris Hilton. Proof again that you are a friggin racist, KKK'r, Nazi, Storm front, skin head.
Oh yea. I forgot ignorant. Ignorant always goes with it.
Unless they are scags like Britney Spears or Paris Hilton. Proof again that you are a friggin racist, KKK'r, Nazi, Storm front, skin head.
Oh yea. I forgot ignorant. Ignorant always goes with it.
Posted by: greyrooster at January 17, 2007 11:50 PM (w+w6p)
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Posted by: Michael Weaver at January 18, 2007 03:33 AM (2OHpj)
January 14, 2007
Aishwarya Rai in Hot Water?
Aishwarya Rai (see photo below,) has landed herself in court for scandalous kissing.
Story here:
MUMBAI: A court in central India yesterday heard statements from a lawyer complaining that an on-screen kiss by Bollywood actress Aishwarya Rai and co-star Hrithik Roshan contravened the country's strict laws against obscenity.Ms. Rai, as a group of bloggers who've been banned in India, we sympathize. Please don't hesitate to contact any if us should you feel the need to commisserate.The court in Indore city recorded statements from a local lawyer, Shailendra Dwivedi, who filed the complaint over last year's biggest grossing Bollywood film, Dhoom 2.
The case is to be heard on January 25.
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please sir. may i have another?
Posted by: dr. akim ullshitbay at January 14, 2007 10:08 PM (WT8ey)
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It's pretty intolerant when a simple kiss gets someone in so much trouble. Ask Joe Lieberman!
Seriously, I don't care for how the lefti-multi-culti types bitch about our system, while this sort of thing goes on in 'progressive' nations abroad. I have had high hopes for India for quite awhile, then this sort of thing reminds me how far they still have to go.
Not that we couldn't do without Brittany Spears showing off, but freedom sometimes comes at an awful price. I'd rather be "to free" than not free enough.
USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at January 14, 2007 11:45 PM (2OHpj)
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It's pretty intolerant when a simple kiss gets someone in so much trouble. Ask Joe Lieberman!
Seriously, I don't care for how the lefti-multi-culti types bitch about our system, while this sort of thing goes on in 'progressive' nations abroad. I have had high hopes for India for quite awhile, then this sort of thing reminds me how far they still have to go.
Not that we couldn't do without Brittany Spears showing off, but freedom sometimes comes at an awful price. I'd rather be "to free" than not free enough.
USA, all the way!
Seriously, I don't care for how the lefti-multi-culti types bitch about our system, while this sort of thing goes on in 'progressive' nations abroad. I have had high hopes for India for quite awhile, then this sort of thing reminds me how far they still have to go.
Not that we couldn't do without Brittany Spears showing off, but freedom sometimes comes at an awful price. I'd rather be "to free" than not free enough.
USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at January 14, 2007 11:45 PM (2OHpj)
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Does not compute ,,, error ,,, multiple postings *spark* #sizzle# system failureuuuuurrrrrr *
And USA, all the way!
And USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at January 14, 2007 11:53 PM (2OHpj)
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Catering to the muslims?
Posted by: greyrooster at January 15, 2007 12:13 AM (w+w6p)
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ss
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You know, before this entry of yours, I don't think I ever realized just how beautiful she was.
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You may not have realized it, Aakash, but I did. She didn't win the Miss World contest for nothing. I did notice that she has suspended her website. Very distressing. I hope it is not out of fear.
Posted by: templar knight at January 15, 2007 11:50 AM (634o6)
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I would love to be in hot water with her.
Posted by: greyrooster at January 15, 2007 02:48 PM (w+w6p)
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India's archaic laws need upgrades. This is one among the many cases that are filed every year for the flimsiest of reasons. It usually involves suing some celebrity for showing skin( plenty of skin showing since the 90's !!) and is mostly filed by womens groups
gravely offended at the portayal of women merely as "sex objects".
This case will die a slow death, like the many before it. I hope the court tosses it out and fines the petitioner like it did the moron who thought that certain words in India's national anthem deserved to be expunged as they impinged upon Pakistan's sovereignty!!
India still lives by victorian morals. It should get back to the open days of the kamasutra.
gravely offended at the portayal of women merely as "sex objects".
This case will die a slow death, like the many before it. I hope the court tosses it out and fines the petitioner like it did the moron who thought that certain words in India's national anthem deserved to be expunged as they impinged upon Pakistan's sovereignty!!
India still lives by victorian morals. It should get back to the open days of the kamasutra.
Posted by: Abhinava at January 16, 2007 01:36 PM (S2XqW)
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Abhinava: Question. How is it that the people of India seem to be so different than the Pakistanis? Some years ago they were one country. Yet, from what I have seen they are a totally different people. Different attitudes, different mannerisms, etc; I would love to visit India and wouldn't go to Pakistan if they paid me. Weird?
Posted by: greyrooster at January 16, 2007 02:30 PM (w+w6p)
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Greyrooster: I think the differences could be because of the underlying foundations of religion. India's traditional religions were more besotted with finding the fundamental principles of life. Early India had various schools of thought ranging from outright materialists to uncompromising monotheists. Though there was competition between these sects and occasional persecution, it never reached a point where the "other" was considered as deserving death. So, there was some tolerance for opposing views.
It deserves pointing that for all it's magnanimity in freedom of religious thought, India still had and has a very oppressive social system.( just ask all the poor souls at the bottom rung of the caste ladder ).
The above combined with rudimentary democracy and a patchy modern education system probably contributes to a difference in attitude.
As far Pakistan, it's embrace of a religion which lays exclusive claim
to truth and the meaning of life and everything else emboldens its adherents to loot, pillage , plunder, kill and such like things!! Exclusionary visions are scary demons , Sadly for Pakistan, there seems no light at the end of the tunnel.
India has her share of Hindu demons too, But, democracy ensures a tight lid on them.
It deserves pointing that for all it's magnanimity in freedom of religious thought, India still had and has a very oppressive social system.( just ask all the poor souls at the bottom rung of the caste ladder ).
The above combined with rudimentary democracy and a patchy modern education system probably contributes to a difference in attitude.
As far Pakistan, it's embrace of a religion which lays exclusive claim
to truth and the meaning of life and everything else emboldens its adherents to loot, pillage , plunder, kill and such like things!! Exclusionary visions are scary demons , Sadly for Pakistan, there seems no light at the end of the tunnel.
India has her share of Hindu demons too, But, democracy ensures a tight lid on them.
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Abhinava: Too deep for me. You are an example of why racists like me have nothing against the people of India. Surpassing me in the use of my own language. My son says when he meets an Indian they seem to want to be friends. When he meets a Pakistani he gets another feeling. Good luck to you and yours.
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Abhinava: I have a friend in California named Yogi Patel. Is the Caste system why he has his nose in the air when around other Indians?
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Greyrooster: Caste feeling may still carry over into the new world. But, To my knowledge and in my experience it is a rare thing. Your friend is probably seeing a halo where one doesn't exist, or it could be all that spice creating illusions! Your guess is a good as mine.
Posted by: Abhinava at January 17, 2007 05:19 PM (S2XqW)
December 15, 2006
Al Qaeda Threat to Goa, India
The Indians are playing down the threat. Hopefully that is a good sign that action has been taken. But the way these news reports read, it sounds as if they are dismissing the Israeli warning.
Word of advice to India: Israeli intelligence is perhaps the best in the world. When they give you a warning, take it. Forbes:
Police in the seaside resort state of Goa rejected Israeli warnings of 'a severe terror threat' by al-Qaeda ahead of New Year celebrations.Why do I get that Jaws vibe here? You know, don't scare the tourists away.'We have not received any specific threat or intelligence on such a threat either from New Delhi or any international agency,' Goa state police chief B.S. Brar told Agence France-Presse.
In Jerusalem, the counter-security headquarters advised Israelis travelling to India to avoid the resort in western India.
'Travelers in Goa are under a severe terror threat of al-Qaeda attacks,' it said in a statement yesterday.
'As part of the existing al-Qaeda terror threat in India, there is currently a concrete threat concentrated in the Goa region,' it added.
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"Israeli intelligence is perhaps the best in the world"
More hype - their dismal performance against Hezbollah showed they need a major overhaul.
More hype - their dismal performance against Hezbollah showed they need a major overhaul.
Posted by: KXB at December 15, 2006 10:39 AM (3jFFy)
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Agree with KXB. Enough resting of your laurels.
Goa is perhaps the number one destination for young Israeli tourists. That's why it's a target.
Goa is perhaps the number one destination for young Israeli tourists. That's why it's a target.
Posted by: Jesuslad Carlos at December 15, 2006 09:26 PM (8e/V4)
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But we must admit the Hindus are going butts up to the muslims.
Posted by: Greyrooster at December 16, 2006 08:02 AM (95kFq)
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OUTLAW ISLAM
Posted by: Greyrooster at December 22, 2006 09:42 AM (4Ek2v)
December 08, 2006
Still Banned in India
Big White Infidel e-mails from Singapore saying on a recent trip to India, both in Mumbai and Chennai, no access to The Jawa Report and other blogs. Sends up Forbidden Access notice on the browser.
*Sigh*
Like I've said before, it wouldn't be so bad if it was, say, Iran that banned us. But India? That hurts.
For newer readers, you can find out why we were banned in India here. Here's a hint: it has someting to do with not wanting to offend a certain religion of [insert ironic word here].
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Well I know I can no longer browse Jawa ( still can browse hot air though) on a Govt computer... but of course why should I be doing that in the first place on a govt computer.
Posted by: DAT at December 08, 2006 12:16 PM (VxXTk)
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Muslimes are winning in India. That should be obvious by now. Pakistan and India can soon join together again. Under Muslim control, of course. Cow butchering 101 will be taught at the universities between prayers.
Posted by: Greyrooster at December 08, 2006 09:15 PM (ezJiI)
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Dr Shackleford
your article was good.It does not come as a surprise to me at all because the core of these politicians(congress and Communist) in India is minority apeasement.Here are some of the points to ponder.
1)Muslims have a parallel court in India(Shariyat) which decides crimes including rape
2)Muslims Haj trip to Mecca is free every year from India(this money is paid by Indians taxpayers money which comes to about 0.5-1 billion $)
3) Temples are state owned and whatever revenue comes from them are diverted to support the mosques(Karnataka state temples earned nearly $25 million in the year 2002 and 80% was diverted to mosques). Mosques and churches in India have religious autonomy.
4)Indian Govt is planning to bring in reservations for muslims in higher institutes of excellence including IITs(Which was told by Bill Gates as better than MITs)
5)Abdul Madani , a noted terrorist involved in serial bombing in Coimbatore city in 1998,killing nearly 70 people, now in jail.His prime objective was to kill Advani and Vajpayee(of the BJP).The congress and left govt in Kerala are asking his release. They also are giving him royal treatment in the prison such as ayurvedic massages and spa treatments.Recently the Left won in Kerala because of Madanis Blessings
There are countless number of such atrocities against the majority Hindus by the ruling class and the Muslims in India. Unfortunately the Western press is also against the revival of Hindus.
your article was good.It does not come as a surprise to me at all because the core of these politicians(congress and Communist) in India is minority apeasement.Here are some of the points to ponder.
1)Muslims have a parallel court in India(Shariyat) which decides crimes including rape
2)Muslims Haj trip to Mecca is free every year from India(this money is paid by Indians taxpayers money which comes to about 0.5-1 billion $)
3) Temples are state owned and whatever revenue comes from them are diverted to support the mosques(Karnataka state temples earned nearly $25 million in the year 2002 and 80% was diverted to mosques). Mosques and churches in India have religious autonomy.
4)Indian Govt is planning to bring in reservations for muslims in higher institutes of excellence including IITs(Which was told by Bill Gates as better than MITs)
5)Abdul Madani , a noted terrorist involved in serial bombing in Coimbatore city in 1998,killing nearly 70 people, now in jail.His prime objective was to kill Advani and Vajpayee(of the BJP).The congress and left govt in Kerala are asking his release. They also are giving him royal treatment in the prison such as ayurvedic massages and spa treatments.Recently the Left won in Kerala because of Madanis Blessings
There are countless number of such atrocities against the majority Hindus by the ruling class and the Muslims in India. Unfortunately the Western press is also against the revival of Hindus.
Posted by: satya at December 09, 2006 05:14 AM (aKcHb)
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Commenter #3. Bless you. Telling it like it is in the spirit of how it is is everything. The muslim pressure on the Indian culture is constant and unending. The passive Hindus need to understand this. The Western World needs to understand this. Have the people of India forgot the wisdom of the Great Ghandi. Separation is the only answer. Yet. Slowly, so slowyl the muslim menance continues to creep back into India. Fight Satya, Fight. Or you and yours are doomed.
Posted by: Greyrooster at December 09, 2006 06:37 PM (ezJiI)
September 08, 2006
Interestingly, the blast was outside a mosque. Too moderate? Shia? We'll soon see.
At least five people were killed and scores injured Friday afternoon when two blasts rocked the Maharashtra town of Malegaon, just two months after the 7/11 Mumbai bombings.The bombs, placed near an old mosque, went off around 2 p.m. - when devotees were coming out after their Friday prayers in Nashik district's Malegaon town, about 200 km from Mumbai.
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Yes, let's blame it on someone, Rusty. It is never the fault of these murdering Islamists. It's the West's fault for supporting Israel, or the US has troops in the ME, or the Buddists are not wearing hair coverings, or the Danes published cartoons, or on and on. Frankly, I'm sick and tired of these murdering Islamists, and tired of their excuses, too. It is the fault of the murderers, and they should all be eliminated, forthwith! And I am sick of their threats, also. If they want to threaten people, it should be from an island prison, such as Cuba.
Posted by: jesusland joe at September 08, 2006 09:39 AM (rUyw4)
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Azzam the American needs to get his koran pissed on at Guantanamo.
Posted by: Darth Vag at September 08, 2006 09:44 AM (HSkSw)
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"Who will India blame this time?"
That's a rhetorical question, right? The Jooooooooooooos, of course.
That's a rhetorical question, right? The Jooooooooooooos, of course.
Posted by: Editor at September 08, 2006 10:28 AM (adpJH)
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Just give them more land, then they will stop....Really!!!
Posted by: Brad at September 08, 2006 11:47 AM (Ignlt)
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I was hoping to learn something about the attacks that have been going on in India. I saw a Reuters article with the headline "Chronology of Major Attacks in India". I thought it would be informative, but it gives a listing of violent events with almost no indication as to who perpetrated the attacks and who the victims were. It's as if bombs have been appearing by magic and killing people completely at random.
http://www.zeenews.com/znnew/articles.asp?aid=321197&sid=NAT
Typical white-washing I guess.
http://www.zeenews.com/znnew/articles.asp?aid=321197&sid=NAT
Typical white-washing I guess.
Posted by: Matt at September 08, 2006 12:57 PM (IsPsM)
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No war for curry?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 08, 2006 07:22 PM (v3I+x)
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india needs to stop being afraid of its own people and actually DO something effective. or they'll never be taken seriously when it comes to these things. (has india actually ever arrested and jailed significant people for the things that have happened over the years?)
Posted by: deb at September 08, 2006 09:03 PM (77nAM)
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India is merely copying California. Give in and postpone the inevitable.
Posted by: greyrooster at September 08, 2006 09:29 PM (5OGpF)
August 21, 2006
Hindus Praising Hitler?
The way this story is written, you'd think it was Hindus that opened a Hitler themed cafe. Question to Indian readers: what kind of name is Punit Shablok, the owner of the restaurant?
Do I need to even say what certain religion of peace the name Fatima Kabani probably indicates?
Hitler's Cross', which opened last week, serves up a wide range of continental fare and a big helping of controversy, thanks to a name the owners say they chose to stand out among hundreds of Mumbai eateries.Laurence Simon has more."We wanted to be different. This is one name that will stay in people's minds," owner Punit Shablok told Reuters.
"We are not promoting Hitler. But we want to tell people we are different in the way he was different."...
A huge portrait of a stern-looking Fuehrer greets visitors at the door. The cross in the restaurant's name refers to the swastika that symbolized the Nazi regime.
"This place is not about wars or crimes, but where people come to relax and enjoy a meal," said restaurant manager Fatima Kabani, adding that they were planning to turn the eatery's name into a brand with more branches in Mumbai.
If it was a Hindu who opened the restaurant, we are in deeper shit than I thought.
Parenthetically, a few readers from India have e-mailed me saying they can now access my blog. As far as we can tell, we are still officially banned in India, but unoficially....... you can't stop the Jawa juggernaut!
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Well, the owner might by hindu, but the manager's name is Fatima Kabani, and that is clearly Islamic.
Posted by: ansar-al kufir at August 21, 2006 03:51 PM (Wikc/)
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Well, the owner might by hindu, but the manager's name is Fatima Kabani, and that is clearly Islamic. Fatima (besides being a place where an apparition of Mary was seen) was the daughter of Mohammed and the first wife of Ali.
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Dudes, the owner of that cafe is a muslim who is simply passing himself off as a hindu. With millions of hindus, muslims, sikh and a whole bunch of other people inhabiting Mumbai, do you really think the media would check, or even care for that matter? (I've been to Mumbai several times, few people would even care.)
The reverse swastika is a symbol of the Hindu religion, long before Germany ever adopted it in the 1930's.
The reverse swastika is a symbol of the Hindu religion, long before Germany ever adopted it in the 1930's.
Posted by: Agent Meatball at August 21, 2006 04:03 PM (30FRH)
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Hint, hint. Fatima is a muslim name.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 21, 2006 04:05 PM (VMww0)
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The owner's name is Hindu. Some of the guests mentioned at the launch also have Hindu names.
This article says that a Sablok Builders group is behind the management. I could be wrong, but I believe that Sablok is a Hindu name, as well.
This article says that a Sablok Builders group is behind the management. I could be wrong, but I believe that Sablok is a Hindu name, as well.
Posted by: Perla Zhemchuzhina at August 21, 2006 04:25 PM (+p36Q)
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The article mentions they're "planning to turn the eatery's name into a brand." I'm guessing they'll want the URL http://www.hitlerscross.com to do that. (Feel free to post the link so people may have an idea of why it's NOT funny to name a restaurant after Hitler.
Posted by: Bruno Mitchell at August 21, 2006 04:53 PM (MquK5)
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Utterly distasteful and with total lack of respect and sensitivity.
That said, Haywood recommends NOT ordering anything from the oven.
That said, Haywood recommends NOT ordering anything from the oven.
Posted by: haywood jablowmi at August 21, 2006 05:14 PM (VUmVc)
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Perla, Does it matter that the owner is Hindu?
NO.
What matters is that the manager is a Muslim and if one knows anything about the restaurant business, its the manager that has ultimte control.
Especially if she is being quoted, as that has Public Relations ranking, which means she is very high on power scale in the restaurant.
Secondly, her first name is Fatima, which is usually associated with very strict and hard-core Muslims in today's day and age. It's liking naming your kid Jesus, if you know what I mean.
Don't make excuses for Muslims.
NO.
What matters is that the manager is a Muslim and if one knows anything about the restaurant business, its the manager that has ultimte control.
Especially if she is being quoted, as that has Public Relations ranking, which means she is very high on power scale in the restaurant.
Secondly, her first name is Fatima, which is usually associated with very strict and hard-core Muslims in today's day and age. It's liking naming your kid Jesus, if you know what I mean.
Don't make excuses for Muslims.
Posted by: Kloss at August 21, 2006 05:38 PM (LBfaS)
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I think its extremely ridiculuous to make this into a Hindu vs. Jew or even a Muslim vs. Jew thing. Its clearly a case of stupidity on the part of the owners. Either that or the owners want to garner publicity by creating a controversy. And most educated Indians are infact outraged by it all. I was completely taken aback and disgusted when I first heard about it. To get an idea of the varying Indian perspectives have a look at this post on Sepia Mutiny.
It would be similar to the Hong Kong Nazi Chic issue posted on LGF or this Korean Hitler Bar(via ethnic on SM).
It would be similar to the Hong Kong Nazi Chic issue posted on LGF or this Korean Hitler Bar(via ethnic on SM).
Posted by: Ken at August 21, 2006 05:47 PM (rXl/4)
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It's _not_ a hindu vs. jew thing -- that's correct.
But it _is_ in fact, a muslim vs. jew thing. You will just have to pick up a history book from any time period, after 600 A.D. that is, and you will see what I mean.
Otherwise, you will be part of the problem.
But it _is_ in fact, a muslim vs. jew thing. You will just have to pick up a history book from any time period, after 600 A.D. that is, and you will see what I mean.
Otherwise, you will be part of the problem.
Posted by: Kloss at August 21, 2006 05:54 PM (LBfaS)
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Only in Muslim countries is Mein Keimpf still a bestseller. Antisemetism exists everywhere, but not to the extent that it does in Muslim countries.
Posted by: Rusty at August 21, 2006 06:28 PM (JQjhA)
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The owner is Hindu, Punit in Hinduism means "pure". It is disgusting to see the picture of a person who slaughtered millions of Jews being used for marketing, but it is not against the law. If someone has a problem with the picture, they should not dine there. Simple.
Posted by: blahblah at August 21, 2006 06:47 PM (IHzgu)
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I agree with Ken; I know a fair bit about India including the fact that there is a thriving Jewish community there (I've forgotten what they call their branch). And to my knowledge they haven't experienced anti-semitism, certainly not from the Hindu's. Hindu's are surprisingly tolerant of other faiths with Islam being the only exception (and I agree with the Hindu's on that).
This is nothing more than a f&$king stupid publicity stunt on the part of the restaurant owner.
As regards the Swastika; that's an entirely different story.
Ken, correct me if I'm wrong, but the word "Swastika" is a Sanskirit compound noun meaning "The Symbol of Well-being". This symbol has existed in Hinduism, Buddhaism and Zoroastrianism (the pre-Islam religion of the Iranian people). If you visit a Hindu temple you'll definitely see it drawn counter-clockwise surrounding depictions of Hindu deities. In Zoroastrianism this symbol is referred to as the "Wheel of the Sun" its four arms representing the four seasons and its rotational symmetry is meant to represent the concept of "enternity".
This is nothing more than a f&$king stupid publicity stunt on the part of the restaurant owner.
As regards the Swastika; that's an entirely different story.
Ken, correct me if I'm wrong, but the word "Swastika" is a Sanskirit compound noun meaning "The Symbol of Well-being". This symbol has existed in Hinduism, Buddhaism and Zoroastrianism (the pre-Islam religion of the Iranian people). If you visit a Hindu temple you'll definitely see it drawn counter-clockwise surrounding depictions of Hindu deities. In Zoroastrianism this symbol is referred to as the "Wheel of the Sun" its four arms representing the four seasons and its rotational symmetry is meant to represent the concept of "enternity".
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at August 21, 2006 06:52 PM (Bp6wV)
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It's alright folks. Hitler was reincarnated as a pet rat. They give him milk in the back by the trash. It's a Hindu thing.
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"Perla, Does it matter that the owner is Hindu? NO. What matters is that the manager is a Muslim and if one knows anything about the restaurant business, its the manager that has ultimte control.
Especially if she is being quoted, as that has Public Relations ranking, which means she is very high on power scale in the restaurant."
Thanks, I've worked in the restaurant industry myself. The manager still must report to the owner. In any of the places where I worked, the manager was always frantic before the owner arrived, trying to make sure that everything would look good. The manager is not higher on the "power scale" than the owner. Owners can sack the manager, and not the other way around. And who would have come up for the idea of the restaurant to begin with?
"Secondly, her first name is Fatima, which is usually associated with very strict and hard-core Muslims in today's day and age. It's liking naming your kid Jesus, if you know what I mean."
Fatima is a very common name amongst Muslims. I don't think that we can fairly judge how religious someone is by her first name. Now of course we can't comment on this particular woman specifically, but a great deal of the Muslims in India are not very strict. For example, if you go to Jamma Masjid in Delhi, you will find that many of the women don't even have their hair covered, and even those that do, are often wearing only a thin dhupatta, and if the weather is warm, they will be wearing saris and short-sleeved kurtas. In some parts of India, Muslims even celebrate some Hindu holidays with their Hindu neighbours.
I wouldn't have thought of this as a Muslim or Hindu vs. Jews situation, as the staff of the restaurant is apparently made up of at least 2 religions, which should show us that this is a tasteless way to get publicity for their restaurant and make money. It is probably a desire to get attention, which will translate into business and money for the restaurant, which led to the decision to name the restaurant as such, rather than any animosity toward Jews by either the Hindu owner or the Muslim manager. It just seems a bit hypocritical to portray the restaurant as being run by Muslims, when the owner is Hindu.
Especially if she is being quoted, as that has Public Relations ranking, which means she is very high on power scale in the restaurant."
Thanks, I've worked in the restaurant industry myself. The manager still must report to the owner. In any of the places where I worked, the manager was always frantic before the owner arrived, trying to make sure that everything would look good. The manager is not higher on the "power scale" than the owner. Owners can sack the manager, and not the other way around. And who would have come up for the idea of the restaurant to begin with?
"Secondly, her first name is Fatima, which is usually associated with very strict and hard-core Muslims in today's day and age. It's liking naming your kid Jesus, if you know what I mean."
Fatima is a very common name amongst Muslims. I don't think that we can fairly judge how religious someone is by her first name. Now of course we can't comment on this particular woman specifically, but a great deal of the Muslims in India are not very strict. For example, if you go to Jamma Masjid in Delhi, you will find that many of the women don't even have their hair covered, and even those that do, are often wearing only a thin dhupatta, and if the weather is warm, they will be wearing saris and short-sleeved kurtas. In some parts of India, Muslims even celebrate some Hindu holidays with their Hindu neighbours.
I wouldn't have thought of this as a Muslim or Hindu vs. Jews situation, as the staff of the restaurant is apparently made up of at least 2 religions, which should show us that this is a tasteless way to get publicity for their restaurant and make money. It is probably a desire to get attention, which will translate into business and money for the restaurant, which led to the decision to name the restaurant as such, rather than any animosity toward Jews by either the Hindu owner or the Muslim manager. It just seems a bit hypocritical to portray the restaurant as being run by Muslims, when the owner is Hindu.
Posted by: Perla Zhemchuzhina at August 21, 2006 08:14 PM (4PuWz)
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Why make a comment such as this? This is what one resorts to when they end up defending the indefensible, a bit on the personal attack on character?
"It just seems a bit hypocritical to portray the restaurant as being run by Muslims, when the owner is Hindu."
Perla .... I too have worked in a restaurant. And you said you did too, but it must have been one of meager persona, not much for one to notice on a road. I say this because in top-end restaurants, such as this "H-----" restaurant appears to be, this is not the case!
In such restaurants, they are run like top hotels. The manager is a strong, demanding Manager, who runs the place like the captain of his own ship. In most cases, the Manager has a percentage share in the Ownership!
This appears to be the case here, that Muslim Fatima has a significant ownership in the restaurant.
Perla, I respect your opinion, but here you have got it all wrong. Stop trying to blame the Hindu! Stop pointing out how each name you come across is a Hindu name! When you came across Fatima Kabani's name, you should have stopped right there and figured it out.
"It just seems a bit hypocritical to portray the restaurant as being run by Muslims, when the owner is Hindu."
Perla .... I too have worked in a restaurant. And you said you did too, but it must have been one of meager persona, not much for one to notice on a road. I say this because in top-end restaurants, such as this "H-----" restaurant appears to be, this is not the case!
In such restaurants, they are run like top hotels. The manager is a strong, demanding Manager, who runs the place like the captain of his own ship. In most cases, the Manager has a percentage share in the Ownership!
This appears to be the case here, that Muslim Fatima has a significant ownership in the restaurant.
Perla, I respect your opinion, but here you have got it all wrong. Stop trying to blame the Hindu! Stop pointing out how each name you come across is a Hindu name! When you came across Fatima Kabani's name, you should have stopped right there and figured it out.
Posted by: Kloss at August 21, 2006 08:50 PM (LBfaS)
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Hi Kloss. Well, you are right that I haven't worked at any famous restaurants. I was a university student trying to earn some extra money, it wasn't exactly a career for me.
I only began pointing out Hindu names in response to earlier posts that pointed out the name of the Muslim manager. (I mentioned in my post that I think that this is a cynical and tasteless way to make money, not a matter of religion of anyone involved.) But you can't act as if the owner of a restaurant has nothing to do with the place. The fact that he owns the place means that he has apparently given tacit approval to the name, general theme, etc... of the restaurant. Suppose you were to open an expensive restaurant and discovered one day that the manager had taken it upon himself to name the place after Hitler...would you allow it to remain open, in that form and with the same management?
I only began pointing out Hindu names in response to earlier posts that pointed out the name of the Muslim manager. (I mentioned in my post that I think that this is a cynical and tasteless way to make money, not a matter of religion of anyone involved.) But you can't act as if the owner of a restaurant has nothing to do with the place. The fact that he owns the place means that he has apparently given tacit approval to the name, general theme, etc... of the restaurant. Suppose you were to open an expensive restaurant and discovered one day that the manager had taken it upon himself to name the place after Hitler...would you allow it to remain open, in that form and with the same management?
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Okay, then we can agree to disagree. But I think what you are asking me (and other readers) to do is give the Muslim Manager a pass. A complete pass! You want me to overlook a clear & obvious danger to the Jewish community in India through this person, just so that you remain Politically correct?
Ok, so let's do that. But then will you be comfortable knowing that in the near future, this woman will have taken the next step in her hate and harm innocent life? Will you still defend your position then?
It is really an interesting time that we live in, where a terror-breeding Muslim can open a restaurant in praise of H----- and the slaughter of Jews, right in the middle of a major city....YET she will have supporters who defend her and make excuses for her. And worse, blame it on Hindus (who were among the first during WW2 to declare themselves against H-----!
Perla is not a Muslim name from what I can tell. So where Oh where in your life, did you make such a decision, to take the side of those who would never let you speak in the first place?
Ok, so let's do that. But then will you be comfortable knowing that in the near future, this woman will have taken the next step in her hate and harm innocent life? Will you still defend your position then?
It is really an interesting time that we live in, where a terror-breeding Muslim can open a restaurant in praise of H----- and the slaughter of Jews, right in the middle of a major city....YET she will have supporters who defend her and make excuses for her. And worse, blame it on Hindus (who were among the first during WW2 to declare themselves against H-----!
Perla is not a Muslim name from what I can tell. So where Oh where in your life, did you make such a decision, to take the side of those who would never let you speak in the first place?
Posted by: Kloss at August 21, 2006 10:35 PM (LBfaS)
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Maybe its becuase HITLER WAS A VEGETARIAN
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A guest on the Michael Medved radio show on Monday made the claim that the most recent previous government of India was headed by a pro-Nazi Hindu. Doing a quick Google search brought up leads indicating pro-Nazi sentiments in a couple Indian politcal parties (Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh and Shiv Sena). Apparently, there are many Hindus who admire Hitler for one reason or another.
Rail travel is big in India, and I'd say they admired him for making the trains run on time, but that was Mussolini...
Rail travel is big in India, and I'd say they admired him for making the trains run on time, but that was Mussolini...
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So now it is Hindu-bashing time?
One can learn from the Nazi party but have absolutely nothing but contempt for H-----. He usurped the party and turned it into a hate machine. Hindus who appear to admire the Nazi's do so only the party and not the man.
To say Hindus love H----- because of their support for the Nazi party means you did not even read the references properly.
Please try and find any quotes from Hindu leaders praisig Hitl-- ,otherwise do not draw such conclusions.
So now it is Hindu-bashing time?
One can learn from the Nazi party but have absolutely nothing but contempt for H-----. He usurped the party and turned it into a hate machine. Hindus who appear to admire the Nazi's do so only the party and not the man.
To say Hindus love H----- because of their support for the Nazi party means you did not even read the references properly.
Please try and find any quotes from Hindu leaders praisig Hitl-- ,otherwise do not draw such conclusions.
Posted by: Kloss at August 22, 2006 06:09 AM (LBfaS)
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Actually, I think Perla has a point. The owner would have to approve of the theme for the restaurant to have it. But Kloss' argument that this is giving the manager a pass is invalid. Everyone involved with the restaurant is shown in a negative light by association on this one. The cooks, the waiters, the bussers, the manager all would have to be at least apathetic towards, if not outright supporting of, the Hitler theme if they were to work there.
And Kloss, the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei was always antisemetic and violent. They started off in 1920 as a paramilitary group that railed against the Treaty of Versailles and against Jews. That's why Hitler was so drawn to them initially. This lost its appeal for a while when their charasmatic primary speaker, Adolf Hilter, was trown in jail. It disolved. It was reestablished by Hitler, with him as the leader instead of just a talking head, upon his release.
And Kloss, the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei was always antisemetic and violent. They started off in 1920 as a paramilitary group that railed against the Treaty of Versailles and against Jews. That's why Hitler was so drawn to them initially. This lost its appeal for a while when their charasmatic primary speaker, Adolf Hilter, was trown in jail. It disolved. It was reestablished by Hitler, with him as the leader instead of just a talking head, upon his release.
Posted by: Ranba Ral at August 22, 2006 07:24 AM (VvXII)
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Not many people know it, but during WW2, most Indians supported the Axis powers, because they wanted to get the British out of India. There is still a lot of lingering resentment among Indians of all stripes against the British, and by extension, Americans. I guess they didn't appreciate being brought into the modern world.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 22, 2006 10:14 AM (v3I+x)
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Hi i don't know how i stumbled upon this blog, but anyways, i'm a Indian American of Hindu descent, was born and raised in the U.S. (Texas).
I'd like to chime in if I may. I've been to India a number of times and most of my non-immediate family still lives there.
Punit is a Hindu name. That is the owner according to the article. Fatima is obviously a Muslim name. Whether Punit is a real Hindu or a Muslim pretending, I have no idea, but to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if he was in fact a Hindu
BUT, I would like to make one thing clear here. Hindus were one of the few countries to give refuge to Jews and Parsis as they escaped religious persecution in the Middle East. There is a community of Jews in India who have lived there for hundreds of years, in peace with there Hindu brothers. In India Hindu neighbors celebrate Hanakka (sp?) with Jews, as the festival of lights, and the Jews celebrate with Hindus on their festival of lights, "Diwali."
Jews and Hindus, the world over, have very strong ties for very obvious reasons. I have several good Jewish friends who have good friends of Indian descent that I don't even know. We get along very well. We both are made of highly intelligent, ambitious, and cheap people (just kidding). But seriously, we have a lot in common especially the threat of Islamic fundamentalism.
The owner of this cafe, Punit, is not even 1% representative of the Indian-Hindu mentality. I seriously doubt he himself respects Hitler. Most Hindus actually are offended that Hitler took our Swastika and bastardized it. In India, the Swastika is widely used, and has been, for thousands of years (before the Buddhists, who stemmed from Buddha, who was born Hindu himself). I think its sad that we cannot use the symbol of peace and good fortune as much in the U.S. or as freely as we do in India. I squarely blame the Nazi's for this. They have hijacked our symbol so to speak.
Bottom line: This guy is probably doing this to make money. Hindus and Jews not only get along, they get along very well as far as any two ethnic groups go, This guy will get slack for this from Indians, in India, for sure. The owner may be Hindu and the manager Muslim, but religion has nothing to do with this, its capitalism.
There exists a very small minority of "Aryan" proud Hindus who Nazi's tried to court in the 1930s and 1940's (Nazis travelled to India to learn about Aryan-ism). But I seriously doubt any of them have anything to do with this. This is way to blazen and is definitely just to make money. Something akin to "freedom fries" that we saw after 9/11.
I'd like to chime in if I may. I've been to India a number of times and most of my non-immediate family still lives there.
Punit is a Hindu name. That is the owner according to the article. Fatima is obviously a Muslim name. Whether Punit is a real Hindu or a Muslim pretending, I have no idea, but to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if he was in fact a Hindu
BUT, I would like to make one thing clear here. Hindus were one of the few countries to give refuge to Jews and Parsis as they escaped religious persecution in the Middle East. There is a community of Jews in India who have lived there for hundreds of years, in peace with there Hindu brothers. In India Hindu neighbors celebrate Hanakka (sp?) with Jews, as the festival of lights, and the Jews celebrate with Hindus on their festival of lights, "Diwali."
Jews and Hindus, the world over, have very strong ties for very obvious reasons. I have several good Jewish friends who have good friends of Indian descent that I don't even know. We get along very well. We both are made of highly intelligent, ambitious, and cheap people (just kidding). But seriously, we have a lot in common especially the threat of Islamic fundamentalism.
The owner of this cafe, Punit, is not even 1% representative of the Indian-Hindu mentality. I seriously doubt he himself respects Hitler. Most Hindus actually are offended that Hitler took our Swastika and bastardized it. In India, the Swastika is widely used, and has been, for thousands of years (before the Buddhists, who stemmed from Buddha, who was born Hindu himself). I think its sad that we cannot use the symbol of peace and good fortune as much in the U.S. or as freely as we do in India. I squarely blame the Nazi's for this. They have hijacked our symbol so to speak.
Bottom line: This guy is probably doing this to make money. Hindus and Jews not only get along, they get along very well as far as any two ethnic groups go, This guy will get slack for this from Indians, in India, for sure. The owner may be Hindu and the manager Muslim, but religion has nothing to do with this, its capitalism.
There exists a very small minority of "Aryan" proud Hindus who Nazi's tried to court in the 1930s and 1940's (Nazis travelled to India to learn about Aryan-ism). But I seriously doubt any of them have anything to do with this. This is way to blazen and is definitely just to make money. Something akin to "freedom fries" that we saw after 9/11.
Posted by: DT2004 at August 22, 2006 10:22 AM (A8Hxo)
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Hi i don't know how i stumbled upon this blog, but anyways, i'm a Indian American of Hindu descent, was born and raised in the U.S. (Texas).
I'd like to chime in if I may. I've been to India a number of times and most of my non-immediate family still lives there.
Punit is a Hindu name. That is the owner according to the article. Fatima is obviously a Muslim name. Whether Punit is a real Hindu or a Muslim pretending, I have no idea, but to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if he was in fact a Hindu
BUT, I would like to make one thing clear here. Hindus were one of the few countries to give refuge to Jews and Parsis as they escaped religious persecution in the Middle East. There is a community of Jews in India who have lived there for hundreds of years, in peace with there Hindu brothers. In India Hindu neighbors celebrate Hanakka (sp?) with Jews, as the festival of lights, and the Jews celebrate with Hindus on their festival of lights, "Diwali."
Jews and Hindus, the world over, have very strong ties for very obvious reasons. I have several good Jewish friends who have good friends of Indian descent that I don't even know. We get along very well. We both are made of highly intelligent, ambitious, and cheap people (just kidding). But seriously, we have a lot in common especially the threat of Islamic fundamentalism.
The owner of this cafe, Punit, is not even 1% representative of the Indian-Hindu mentality. I seriously doubt he himself respects Hitler. Most Hindus actually are offended that Hitler took our Swastika and bastardized it. In India, the Swastika is widely used, and has been, for thousands of years (before the Buddhists, who stemmed from Buddha, who was born Hindu himself). I think its sad that we cannot use the symbol of peace and good fortune as much in the U.S. or as freely as we do in India. I squarely blame the Nazi's for this. They have hijacked our symbol so to speak.
Bottom line: This guy is probably doing this to make money. Hindus and Jews not only get along, they get along very well as far as any two ethnic groups go, This guy will get slack for this from Indians, in India, for sure. The owner may be Hindu and the manager Muslim, but religion has nothing to do with this, its capitalism.
There exists a very small minority of "Aryan" proud Hindus who Nazi's tried to court in the 1930s and 1940's (Nazis travelled to India to learn about Aryan-ism). But I seriously doubt any of them have anything to do with this. This is way to blazen and is definitely just to make money. Something akin to "freedom fries" that we saw after 9/11.
I'd like to chime in if I may. I've been to India a number of times and most of my non-immediate family still lives there.
Punit is a Hindu name. That is the owner according to the article. Fatima is obviously a Muslim name. Whether Punit is a real Hindu or a Muslim pretending, I have no idea, but to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if he was in fact a Hindu
BUT, I would like to make one thing clear here. Hindus were one of the few countries to give refuge to Jews and Parsis as they escaped religious persecution in the Middle East. There is a community of Jews in India who have lived there for hundreds of years, in peace with there Hindu brothers. In India Hindu neighbors celebrate Hanakka (sp?) with Jews, as the festival of lights, and the Jews celebrate with Hindus on their festival of lights, "Diwali."
Jews and Hindus, the world over, have very strong ties for very obvious reasons. I have several good Jewish friends who have good friends of Indian descent that I don't even know. We get along very well. We both are made of highly intelligent, ambitious, and cheap people (just kidding). But seriously, we have a lot in common especially the threat of Islamic fundamentalism.
The owner of this cafe, Punit, is not even 1% representative of the Indian-Hindu mentality. I seriously doubt he himself respects Hitler. Most Hindus actually are offended that Hitler took our Swastika and bastardized it. In India, the Swastika is widely used, and has been, for thousands of years (before the Buddhists, who stemmed from Buddha, who was born Hindu himself). I think its sad that we cannot use the symbol of peace and good fortune as much in the U.S. or as freely as we do in India. I squarely blame the Nazi's for this. They have hijacked our symbol so to speak.
Bottom line: This guy is probably doing this to make money. Hindus and Jews not only get along, they get along very well as far as any two ethnic groups go, This guy will get slack for this from Indians, in India, for sure. The owner may be Hindu and the manager Muslim, but religion has nothing to do with this, its capitalism.
There exists a very small minority of "Aryan" proud Hindus who Nazi's tried to court in the 1930s and 1940's (Nazis travelled to India to learn about Aryan-ism). But I seriously doubt any of them have anything to do with this. This is way to blazen and is definitely just to make money. Something akin to "freedom fries" that we saw after 9/11.
Posted by: DT2004 at August 22, 2006 10:29 AM (A8Hxo)
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Improbulus:
The only thing the British deserve credit for was the railway system, and unifying India. But the Brits, who did not have a resource rich nation of their own, also looted from India. They did not even spare the Taj Mahal's jewels or the Kohinoor Diamond. They would buy cotton from India, then re-sell textiles made from that back to Indians at a high profit. There was nothing admirable about their occupation of India.
Indians learned from Brits, and Brits learned from Indians as well. The British were learning the Indians rocket power. They were awed when they battled Tipu Sultan (and lost) in South India. They took back the discharged rockets to England to study how they worked. Master planned cities, plumbing, irrigation, brain surgery, metallurgy were all being performed by Indians thousands of years ago - read up on the Mohenja Daro civilization.
The inventions of the engine were what modernized the world, not just India.
The only thing the British deserve credit for was the railway system, and unifying India. But the Brits, who did not have a resource rich nation of their own, also looted from India. They did not even spare the Taj Mahal's jewels or the Kohinoor Diamond. They would buy cotton from India, then re-sell textiles made from that back to Indians at a high profit. There was nothing admirable about their occupation of India.
Indians learned from Brits, and Brits learned from Indians as well. The British were learning the Indians rocket power. They were awed when they battled Tipu Sultan (and lost) in South India. They took back the discharged rockets to England to study how they worked. Master planned cities, plumbing, irrigation, brain surgery, metallurgy were all being performed by Indians thousands of years ago - read up on the Mohenja Daro civilization.
The inventions of the engine were what modernized the world, not just India.
Posted by: DT2004 at August 22, 2006 10:39 AM (A8Hxo)
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Improbulus:
The only thing the British deserve credit for was the railway system, and unifying India. But the Brits, who did not have a resource rich nation of their own, also looted from India. They did not even spare the Taj Mahal's jewels or the Kohinoor Diamond. They would buy cotton from India, then re-sell textiles made from that back to Indians at a high profit. There was nothing admirable about their occupation of India.
Indians learned from Brits, and Brits learned from Indians as well. The British were learning the Indians rocket power. They were awed when they battled Tipu Sultan (and lost) in South India. They took back the discharged rockets to England to study how they worked. Master planned cities, plumbing, irrigation, brain surgery, metallurgy were all being performed by Indians thousands of years ago - read up on the Mohenja Daro civilization.
The inventions of the engine were what modernized the world, not just India.
The only thing the British deserve credit for was the railway system, and unifying India. But the Brits, who did not have a resource rich nation of their own, also looted from India. They did not even spare the Taj Mahal's jewels or the Kohinoor Diamond. They would buy cotton from India, then re-sell textiles made from that back to Indians at a high profit. There was nothing admirable about their occupation of India.
Indians learned from Brits, and Brits learned from Indians as well. The British were learning the Indians rocket power. They were awed when they battled Tipu Sultan (and lost) in South India. They took back the discharged rockets to England to study how they worked. Master planned cities, plumbing, irrigation, brain surgery, metallurgy were all being performed by Indians thousands of years ago - read up on the Mohenja Daro civilization.
The inventions of the engine were what modernized the world, not just India.
Posted by: DT2004 at August 22, 2006 10:40 AM (A8Hxo)
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Crap, I'm sorry about the double posts. your server is very slow for me. Mods, please erase accoringly.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Posted by: DT2004 at August 22, 2006 10:46 AM (A8Hxo)
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I think the important thing to remember is that the Hindus are not trying to kill Americans. The pig shit eating muslims are.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 22, 2006 10:49 AM (/GBNb)
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Hi Friends
The Romans have gone, the Egyptions have gone, so have the Persians, and Assyrians and Mesopotamians.
We, Hindus and Jews, still survive. This silly name marketing ploy in Mumbai won't break our 6000 years of brotherhood and understanding
Your Friend
The Romans have gone, the Egyptions have gone, so have the Persians, and Assyrians and Mesopotamians.
We, Hindus and Jews, still survive. This silly name marketing ploy in Mumbai won't break our 6000 years of brotherhood and understanding
Your Friend
Posted by: Indian Hindu at August 22, 2006 11:24 AM (2CO/g)
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No problem with Indian people opening a restaurant in India and naming it after Hitler!
Actually the tirades launched by Jewish groups is great publicity for the owners of the restaurant. Hope they make it a success.
Btw. My link is banned in Germany!
Actually the tirades launched by Jewish groups is great publicity for the owners of the restaurant. Hope they make it a success.
Btw. My link is banned in Germany!
Posted by: Hektor at August 22, 2006 12:58 PM (3OeM7)
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The only thing the British deserve credit for was the railway system, and unifying India.
DT, You conveniently left out that they brought Western-style codified civil and criminal law, freed millions of people from serfdom, set the stage to free the whole populace from the tyranny of the caste system, and offered educational opportunities to many who would never have had the chance under native rule.
But the Brits, who did not have a resource rich nation of their own, also looted from India.
Oh Britain was, and is, rich in resources, but not enough to supply their dynamic, ever-growing economy. The success of the British people was due to their ability to exploit their available resources to the maximum extent, mainly through the freedom of individuals to own the wealth that they created, unlike in India, where the average person had zero chance of rising out of poverty. Not only could most Indians not own property, they were property, as they existed mostly in a state of chattel servitude.
They did not even spare the Taj Mahal's jewels or the Kohinoor Diamond.
Taking the spoils of conquest was a well-established tradition among India's native rulers long before the British arrived. Are you saying that only brown people have the right to loot and pillage?
They would buy cotton from India, then re-sell textiles made from that back to Indians at a high profit.
Which is wrong in what way? At least they were buying the cotton, and simply taking it, as they could have.
There was nothing admirable about their occupation of India.
Yet previous conquerers, who enslaved entire populations, were better because they had brown skin?
Indians learned from Brits, and Brits learned from Indians as well. The British were learning the Indians rocket power.
Which they got from the Chinese, probably in trade for opium.
They were awed when they battled Tipu Sultan (and lost) in South India. They took back the discharged rockets to England to study how they worked.
So they were wrong for absorbing this new, foreign technology?
Master planned cities, plumbing, irrigation, brain surgery, metallurgy were all being performed by Indians thousands of years ago - read up on the Mohenja Daro civilization.
All true, but totally irrelevant to the point.
The inventions of the engine were what modernized the world, not just India.
It's true that the engine helped technologically modernize the world, but technology alone does not make a modern civilization. The Nazi's made many technological advances that we use today, but does that mean their ideology was superior to ours?
I may be wrong, but I believe that just about all technological and ideological advances of the past five centuries originated from European societies, giving rise to the modern world. It was in Europe where the idea was first formed that the individual had an intrinsic worth beyond his or her station in life. It was in Europe where the idea of individual ownership of property, regardless of one's economic or cultural status, originated. It was in Europe where the political concepts of democracy and republican government were born. It was in Europe that Liberty was born.
They had rockets, which they did not develop, but simply purchased the technology, and we had individual rights, which we did develop. We brought them the idea of Liberty, and everyone won, but the tyrants. India is now a democracy, though it still falls far short of its potential due to the inability to shake off ancient beliefs, but it is rapidly becoming a modern civiliation in every sense of the word, but without a word of thanks.
DT, You conveniently left out that they brought Western-style codified civil and criminal law, freed millions of people from serfdom, set the stage to free the whole populace from the tyranny of the caste system, and offered educational opportunities to many who would never have had the chance under native rule.
But the Brits, who did not have a resource rich nation of their own, also looted from India.
Oh Britain was, and is, rich in resources, but not enough to supply their dynamic, ever-growing economy. The success of the British people was due to their ability to exploit their available resources to the maximum extent, mainly through the freedom of individuals to own the wealth that they created, unlike in India, where the average person had zero chance of rising out of poverty. Not only could most Indians not own property, they were property, as they existed mostly in a state of chattel servitude.
They did not even spare the Taj Mahal's jewels or the Kohinoor Diamond.
Taking the spoils of conquest was a well-established tradition among India's native rulers long before the British arrived. Are you saying that only brown people have the right to loot and pillage?
They would buy cotton from India, then re-sell textiles made from that back to Indians at a high profit.
Which is wrong in what way? At least they were buying the cotton, and simply taking it, as they could have.
There was nothing admirable about their occupation of India.
Yet previous conquerers, who enslaved entire populations, were better because they had brown skin?
Indians learned from Brits, and Brits learned from Indians as well. The British were learning the Indians rocket power.
Which they got from the Chinese, probably in trade for opium.
They were awed when they battled Tipu Sultan (and lost) in South India. They took back the discharged rockets to England to study how they worked.
So they were wrong for absorbing this new, foreign technology?
Master planned cities, plumbing, irrigation, brain surgery, metallurgy were all being performed by Indians thousands of years ago - read up on the Mohenja Daro civilization.
All true, but totally irrelevant to the point.
The inventions of the engine were what modernized the world, not just India.
It's true that the engine helped technologically modernize the world, but technology alone does not make a modern civilization. The Nazi's made many technological advances that we use today, but does that mean their ideology was superior to ours?
I may be wrong, but I believe that just about all technological and ideological advances of the past five centuries originated from European societies, giving rise to the modern world. It was in Europe where the idea was first formed that the individual had an intrinsic worth beyond his or her station in life. It was in Europe where the idea of individual ownership of property, regardless of one's economic or cultural status, originated. It was in Europe where the political concepts of democracy and republican government were born. It was in Europe that Liberty was born.
They had rockets, which they did not develop, but simply purchased the technology, and we had individual rights, which we did develop. We brought them the idea of Liberty, and everyone won, but the tyrants. India is now a democracy, though it still falls far short of its potential due to the inability to shake off ancient beliefs, but it is rapidly becoming a modern civiliation in every sense of the word, but without a word of thanks.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 22, 2006 01:08 PM (v3I+x)
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Indian Hindu: But the damn muslims are still there. They are a problem on every continent. I thought you guys separated from them when Pakistan and Bangldesh were formed? Wasn't that the purpose? What happened?
Posted by: greyrooster at August 22, 2006 02:47 PM (/GBNb)
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Posted by Hektor at August 22, 2006 12:58 PM
The only thing the British deserve credit for was the railway system, and unifying India.
"DT, You conveniently left out that they brought Western-style codified civil and criminal law, freed millions of people from serfdom, set the stage to free the whole populace from the tyranny of the caste system, and offered educational opportunities to many who would never have had the chance under native rule."
It is arguable if "Western style" codified civil and criminal law was superior, which you are implying here. There were a great many atrocities being committed in Europe as in the rest of the world. Under HINDU India, arts and education flourished. The oldest university in the world, for example, was an "Indian" university: Takshashila University (Taxila): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Universities_of_India Another ancient University is Nalanda University in India: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalanda_University founded prior to the 5th Century BC. the oldest European University is the University of Bologna, Italy which was founded in 1088 for example.
But the Brits, who did not have a resource rich nation of their own, also looted from India.
Oh Britain was, and is, rich in resources, but not enough to supply their dynamic, ever-growing economy. The success of the British people was due to their ability to exploit their available resources to the maximum extent, mainly through the freedom of individuals to own the wealth that they created, unlike in India, where the average person had zero chance of rising out of poverty. Not only could most Indians not own property, they were property, as they existed mostly in a state of chattel servitude.
There were masses of the peasant class in Europe at the time, they also lived in a state of servitude.
They did not even spare the Taj Mahal's jewels or the Kohinoor Diamond.
Taking the spoils of conquest was a well-established tradition among India's native rulers long before the British arrived. Are you saying that only brown people have the right to loot and pillage?
You talk of the British, that is what we are talking here, its not a question of white or brown... unless you're a racist and these things are the first things you see?
They would buy cotton from India, then re-sell textiles made from that back to Indians at a high profit.
Which is wrong in what way? At least they were buying the cotton, and simply taking it, as they could have.
It was wrong in the way your depicted everything being peachy and happy with the British occupation of India. It wasn't.
There was nothing admirable about their occupation of India.
Yet previous conquerers, who enslaved entire populations, were better because they had brown skin?
Again the brown skin. You seem to be preoccupied with melanin content.
Indians learned from Brits, and Brits learned from Indians as well. The British were learning the Indians rocket power.
Which they got from the Chinese, probably in trade for opium.
They were awed when they battled Tipu Sultan (and lost) in South India. They took back the discharged rockets to England to study how they worked.
So they were wrong for absorbing this new, foreign technology
No they weren't wrong, but the point is, they learned a lot from Indians as well. Read more at the following link: http://www.open2.net/whattheancients/indians.html
I suggest you stop confining your reading to Western only sources. They are very wrong in a number of ways, including what you will find in the link above, that 0, and 1-9 are Indian inventions, yet they are incorrectly labeled as Arab Numerals, they are in fact Indian.
I would agree that in the past 500 years, the West has seemingly contributed more to the world, but the West hasn't had to contend with Muslim Invasions the way India has. China had the benefit of being an isolationist civilization that never came out from under the rock until recent times. Civilizations go in cycles. Its good to be proud, but not to the point of arrogance. The way you seemingly pride European heritage, some Indians [wrongly imho] pride their heritage. They feel that Europeans were chucking spears when they were performing brain surgery. Civilizations rise and fall, but at the end of the day we're all human. Thats my take on it.
Posted by Hektor at August 22, 2006 12:58 PM
The only thing the British deserve credit for was the railway system, and unifying India.
"DT, You conveniently left out that they brought Western-style codified civil and criminal law, freed millions of people from serfdom, set the stage to free the whole populace from the tyranny of the caste system, and offered educational opportunities to many who would never have had the chance under native rule."
It is arguable if "Western style" codified civil and criminal law was superior, which you are implying here. There were a great many atrocities being committed in Europe as in the rest of the world. Under HINDU India, arts and education flourished. The oldest university in the world, for example, was an "Indian" university: Takshashila University (Taxila): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Universities_of_India Another ancient University is Nalanda University in India: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalanda_University founded prior to the 5th Century BC. the oldest European University is the University of Bologna, Italy which was founded in 1088 for example.
But the Brits, who did not have a resource rich nation of their own, also looted from India.
Oh Britain was, and is, rich in resources, but not enough to supply their dynamic, ever-growing economy. The success of the British people was due to their ability to exploit their available resources to the maximum extent, mainly through the freedom of individuals to own the wealth that they created, unlike in India, where the average person had zero chance of rising out of poverty. Not only could most Indians not own property, they were property, as they existed mostly in a state of chattel servitude.
There were masses of the peasant class in Europe at the time, they also lived in a state of servitude.
They did not even spare the Taj Mahal's jewels or the Kohinoor Diamond.
Taking the spoils of conquest was a well-established tradition among India's native rulers long before the British arrived. Are you saying that only brown people have the right to loot and pillage?
You talk of the British, that is what we are talking here, its not a question of white or brown... unless you're a racist and these things are the first things you see?
They would buy cotton from India, then re-sell textiles made from that back to Indians at a high profit.
Which is wrong in what way? At least they were buying the cotton, and simply taking it, as they could have.
It was wrong in the way your depicted everything being peachy and happy with the British occupation of India. It wasn't.
There was nothing admirable about their occupation of India.
Yet previous conquerers, who enslaved entire populations, were better because they had brown skin?
Again the brown skin. You seem to be preoccupied with melanin content.
Indians learned from Brits, and Brits learned from Indians as well. The British were learning the Indians rocket power.
Which they got from the Chinese, probably in trade for opium.
They were awed when they battled Tipu Sultan (and lost) in South India. They took back the discharged rockets to England to study how they worked.
So they were wrong for absorbing this new, foreign technology
No they weren't wrong, but the point is, they learned a lot from Indians as well. Read more at the following link: http://www.open2.net/whattheancients/indians.html
I suggest you stop confining your reading to Western only sources. They are very wrong in a number of ways, including what you will find in the link above, that 0, and 1-9 are Indian inventions, yet they are incorrectly labeled as Arab Numerals, they are in fact Indian.
I would agree that in the past 500 years, the West has seemingly contributed more to the world, but the West hasn't had to contend with Muslim Invasions the way India has. China had the benefit of being an isolationist civilization that never came out from under the rock until recent times. Civilizations go in cycles. Its good to be proud, but not to the point of arrogance. The way you seemingly pride European heritage, some Indians [wrongly imho] pride their heritage. They feel that Europeans were chucking spears when they were performing brain surgery. Civilizations rise and fall, but at the end of the day we're all human. Thats my take on it.
Posted by: DT2004 at August 22, 2006 06:09 PM (dwRGy)
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Greyrooster:
For good or bad, one thing about Hindus is they are peace loving people. Here was the deal during partition (Believe it or not):
Muslims got to carve out their own land and form Pakistan. Only Muslims allowed (publicly they stated it would be secular, but only a very, very, very small group of non-muslims stayed back, like 3-5%.) There was ethnic cleansing to ensure that it was ONLY Muslim land.
Indian Hindus told the Muslims they can go to Pakistan OR stay. They got a real choice. Many stayed back. Many went to Pakistan and came back years later after realizing that the conditions there were more pathetic (it was an Islamic state afterall), OR that they were mistreated. Indian Muslims who came from areas that were not indigenous to this newly formed nation of Pakistan (i.e. the state of Punjab) were mistreated and called "Mohajirs." They looked different, wore different clothes, spoke differently, etc. and were mistreated by the Punjabi Pakistanis, so many came back to India, and were welcomed back by Hindus.
Crazy, isn't it?
For good or bad, one thing about Hindus is they are peace loving people. Here was the deal during partition (Believe it or not):
Muslims got to carve out their own land and form Pakistan. Only Muslims allowed (publicly they stated it would be secular, but only a very, very, very small group of non-muslims stayed back, like 3-5%.) There was ethnic cleansing to ensure that it was ONLY Muslim land.
Indian Hindus told the Muslims they can go to Pakistan OR stay. They got a real choice. Many stayed back. Many went to Pakistan and came back years later after realizing that the conditions there were more pathetic (it was an Islamic state afterall), OR that they were mistreated. Indian Muslims who came from areas that were not indigenous to this newly formed nation of Pakistan (i.e. the state of Punjab) were mistreated and called "Mohajirs." They looked different, wore different clothes, spoke differently, etc. and were mistreated by the Punjabi Pakistanis, so many came back to India, and were welcomed back by Hindus.
Crazy, isn't it?
Posted by: DT2004 at August 22, 2006 06:29 PM (dwRGy)
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Punit Shablok is a Hindu name but that doesn't mean he's a Hindu! Most of the restaurant patrons are Bollywood elite - a bunch of spoilt brats who no self-respecting Hindu would want to associate with. All the same, I am saddened by the insensitivity and ignorance of some Indians.
Posted by: Hindu at August 22, 2006 08:05 PM (S3F2p)
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DT2004 -- I agree with what you wrote, but in all fairness, one must point out that there are very vicious Hindu fanatical groups as well such as the Shiv Sena, VHP, BJP, RSS and others.
Most Westerners don't know about this fact, including myself.
They are not peaceful Hindus by any stretch of the imagination and don't say they are not real Hindus. In fact, if you see & read what these groups are saying, they are exactly laying claim to being true Hindus!
They are Hindu terrorists groups, without doubt. The equivalent of what the Muslims have going in their own messed up house. In both cases (thankfully to us!), they are the minority in their religions.
Most Westerners don't know about this fact, including myself.
They are not peaceful Hindus by any stretch of the imagination and don't say they are not real Hindus. In fact, if you see & read what these groups are saying, they are exactly laying claim to being true Hindus!
They are Hindu terrorists groups, without doubt. The equivalent of what the Muslims have going in their own messed up house. In both cases (thankfully to us!), they are the minority in their religions.
Posted by: Kloss at August 22, 2006 08:18 PM (LBfaS)
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DT2004, I have recently read a short history of the Muslim incursions into the Hindu and Buddist areas of Afghanistan and India, which included Pakistan, and I tell you I was sickened by the brutality of it all. No where else in the World has the slaughter of innocents ever compared to the slaughter of the Hindus by Muslim invaders. Mahmud of Ghazni and Muhammed of Ghor were truly beasts, and frankly, I do not know how the Hindus can even stand to see a Muslim after what was done to them by these beasts.
Posted by: jesusland joe at August 22, 2006 08:40 PM (rUyw4)
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Hi Friends,
The conquests happened a long time ago and Indian Muslims have made great contributions to India, like Abdul Kalam (current President and father of the Indian missile technology industry). Also Bollywood's leading actors are Indian Muslims, like Shah Rukh Khan. The issue India has is with Pakistan, which was created for Indian Muslims, but now only contains 25% of Muslims of South Asia - the rest being in India (14% of population [140 million people and Bangaladesh [120 million people]). In addition, we should not forget the contributions in terms of historical buildings (Taj Mahal) and literature, music and poetry.
Indian Hindus are in the process of rediscovering their own roots and rebuilding Hindu Indian society. This process is well underway and needs to be done without harming India's other citizens.
Thanks, Indian Hindu
The conquests happened a long time ago and Indian Muslims have made great contributions to India, like Abdul Kalam (current President and father of the Indian missile technology industry). Also Bollywood's leading actors are Indian Muslims, like Shah Rukh Khan. The issue India has is with Pakistan, which was created for Indian Muslims, but now only contains 25% of Muslims of South Asia - the rest being in India (14% of population [140 million people and Bangaladesh [120 million people]). In addition, we should not forget the contributions in terms of historical buildings (Taj Mahal) and literature, music and poetry.
Indian Hindus are in the process of rediscovering their own roots and rebuilding Hindu Indian society. This process is well underway and needs to be done without harming India's other citizens.
Thanks, Indian Hindu
Posted by: Indian Hindu at August 23, 2006 03:38 AM (w4INs)
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Indian Hindu: Thank you for the pleasing history lesson. I do hope for the best for India. I have always be facinated with Indian history. Where you fail is in your apparent trust of muslims. Their relion insists that yours must perish. As they grow in power to will see more and more civil disturbance and bombings. Hindu and muslim will again be in the streets killing each other. It's the muslim way. They will not change. Good luck.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 23, 2006 06:41 AM (dQaun)
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People! It is a resturant! Its success will depend solely on the food - not the decor. Kinda like a Planet Bollywood - bad investmnent!
So - what's on the menu - I love German food! All the Iron Crosses and portaints of Hitler will never compensate for a bad jagersnitzel!
So - what's on the menu - I love German food! All the Iron Crosses and portaints of Hitler will never compensate for a bad jagersnitzel!
Posted by: hondo at August 23, 2006 07:34 AM (XrexX)
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Do they have Pilsen on tap?
Posted by: hondo at August 23, 2006 07:35 AM (XrexX)
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Dear Greyrooster
Its not so simple in India. India is secular and has no state religion. Thats the score in India. The republic's falg is saffron (Hindu/ Sikh) and Green (Islam) with White (Islam). The Hindu State does not exist. The nationalist parties would like to set it up, but in the last election they lost power in the Federal centre to the communist and centraist parties. The Hindu State India ended in 2004 with that defeat. The communists and centraists are opposed to the concept of the Hindu State.
We have huge problems; muslims killing hindus, hindus killing muslims, muslims killing muslims, and hindus also killing each other. Check the Times of India or CNNIBN websites and you will see that there.
Also, Histler wasn't Islamic.
Thanks, Indian Hindu
Its not so simple in India. India is secular and has no state religion. Thats the score in India. The republic's falg is saffron (Hindu/ Sikh) and Green (Islam) with White (Islam). The Hindu State does not exist. The nationalist parties would like to set it up, but in the last election they lost power in the Federal centre to the communist and centraist parties. The Hindu State India ended in 2004 with that defeat. The communists and centraists are opposed to the concept of the Hindu State.
We have huge problems; muslims killing hindus, hindus killing muslims, muslims killing muslims, and hindus also killing each other. Check the Times of India or CNNIBN websites and you will see that there.
Also, Histler wasn't Islamic.
Thanks, Indian Hindu
Posted by: Indian Hindu at August 23, 2006 08:49 AM (w4INs)
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I think the owner was just too stupid, even though the brand name got him free publicity; India has no history of anti- semitism and Jews have never been targets like in Europe & Middle East.
Under Indian law once the local jewish community has protested about the offence caused by the brand name, the owner will have to drop the offensive name or face legal action.
The symbol swastika is not associated with the Nazis or Hitler in India, it is infact an old symbol which is seen in most Indian homes & many businesses, however the name Hitler is clearly offensive and only a idiot will think otherwise.
I dont see anything here more than gross stupidity & insensitivity on part of the owner in choosing such a heinous brand name.
Under Indian law once the local jewish community has protested about the offence caused by the brand name, the owner will have to drop the offensive name or face legal action.
The symbol swastika is not associated with the Nazis or Hitler in India, it is infact an old symbol which is seen in most Indian homes & many businesses, however the name Hitler is clearly offensive and only a idiot will think otherwise.
I dont see anything here more than gross stupidity & insensitivity on part of the owner in choosing such a heinous brand name.
Posted by: XM at August 23, 2006 09:12 AM (2ZI6Y)
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I think "Indian Hindu" is really a Muslim, or one of those Muslim-loving fake Hindus who think they can change reality by spouting a bunch of lies. How many know that the Taj Mahal was a Hindu monument? And that the Muslim emperor cut off the hands of all his architects so they would never build something like that again?
Literature, music and poetry - Hindus were pioneers in this field. Muslim invaders burnt down the ancient libraries of India.
As for Bollywood and Shah Rukh Khan - enough said! Another B'Wood actor (Salman Khan) and three Muslim actresses were recently implicated in a poaching case on Hindu land. Please don't bring up Bollywood as a sign of achievement. It was a Bollywood actor (a 'Hindu' and I am embarrassed to call him one) who said this restaurant was 'amusing'.
Literature, music and poetry - Hindus were pioneers in this field. Muslim invaders burnt down the ancient libraries of India.
As for Bollywood and Shah Rukh Khan - enough said! Another B'Wood actor (Salman Khan) and three Muslim actresses were recently implicated in a poaching case on Hindu land. Please don't bring up Bollywood as a sign of achievement. It was a Bollywood actor (a 'Hindu' and I am embarrassed to call him one) who said this restaurant was 'amusing'.
Posted by: Another Indian Hindu at August 23, 2006 09:54 AM (/yWdi)
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Indian Hindu --
You sound like a wise and calm person. thanks for calming the out-of-control rhetoric here.
Grey Rooster -- a lesson to you that your attempts to constantly skew things in favor of your world view may not work with everyone, especially against the facts baby!
You sound like a wise and calm person. thanks for calming the out-of-control rhetoric here.
Grey Rooster -- a lesson to you that your attempts to constantly skew things in favor of your world view may not work with everyone, especially against the facts baby!
Posted by: Kloss at August 23, 2006 09:55 AM (LBfaS)
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So - how is the jagersnitzel?
Posted by: hondo at August 23, 2006 10:14 AM (XrexX)
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I hate to say this, but I do believe my Hindu friends are going to suffer horribly under resurgent Islam, and make no mistake, radical Islam is rearing its ugly head in India, and it will get worse. The wahhabism being spread through mosques worldwide preaching Islamic supremism is causing violence in Africa and other parts of Asia. Recent events in India prove me to be correct. I hate it for my Indian friends, but pray they will not lie down and take it, even though they are a peaceful people.
Posted by: jesusland joe at August 23, 2006 10:48 AM (rUyw4)
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The reason why people in India want someone like HITLER is because they want the Indian MUSLIMS out of India.It is really funny that a muslim start such a restaurant, the OWNER'S REAL NAME IS SHABIR SIDDIQUE. Firstly ALMOST EVERY HINDU supports ISRAEL and U.S.ISRAEL has always helped India in every war by supplying us arms.MOSSAD-RAW have had great relations.
WE INDIANS(everyone apart from Muslims) CANNOT STAND THE MUSLIMS. So we need a leader to teach this community a lesson.India has suffered the most because of this community. I as a peace loving person respect every religion from sikhism,christianity,buddhism,parsees(iranians),
judaism,etc.But I DO NOT RESPECT ISLAM.
Another important point , is INDIA IS THE ONLY COUNTRY THAT HAS TREATED JEWS WITH THE HIGHEST RESPECT AND DIGNITY.Two of the most ancient jewish tribes reside in India.
WE INDIANS(everyone apart from Muslims) CANNOT STAND THE MUSLIMS. So we need a leader to teach this community a lesson.India has suffered the most because of this community. I as a peace loving person respect every religion from sikhism,christianity,buddhism,parsees(iranians),
judaism,etc.But I DO NOT RESPECT ISLAM.
Another important point , is INDIA IS THE ONLY COUNTRY THAT HAS TREATED JEWS WITH THE HIGHEST RESPECT AND DIGNITY.Two of the most ancient jewish tribes reside in India.
Posted by: The Hindu India. at August 23, 2006 11:39 AM (IY71c)
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Great comment JESUSLAND JOE.
I am scared , and so are other Indians(except muslims). Why am I scared? because every time a NATIONALIST party wants to do something for the country by bringing these "IDIOTIC MUSLIMS" to task, you have stupid" SECULARISTS" giving us a lecture on how " EVERY MUSLIM IS NOT A TERRORIST".
I respect my PRESIDENT a lot. And everytime I meet an educated MUSLIM , who loves his nation I feel ashamed. but for every one of those guys , there are a 1000 fundamentalists Muslims in India.IMO , IT IS JUST A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THIS TERRORIST RELIGION IS WIPED OUT.Even though they have 1 good muslim in a 1000 ,it is sad but all of them have to be wiped out.
I fear for Israel and my country because we are the only countries surrounded by radical , fundamentalists mullahs who are willing to blow up people for their so called " PARADISE , VIRGINS AND YOUNG BOYS"(HAHAHA).
I am scared , and so are other Indians(except muslims). Why am I scared? because every time a NATIONALIST party wants to do something for the country by bringing these "IDIOTIC MUSLIMS" to task, you have stupid" SECULARISTS" giving us a lecture on how " EVERY MUSLIM IS NOT A TERRORIST".
I respect my PRESIDENT a lot. And everytime I meet an educated MUSLIM , who loves his nation I feel ashamed. but for every one of those guys , there are a 1000 fundamentalists Muslims in India.IMO , IT IS JUST A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THIS TERRORIST RELIGION IS WIPED OUT.Even though they have 1 good muslim in a 1000 ,it is sad but all of them have to be wiped out.
I fear for Israel and my country because we are the only countries surrounded by radical , fundamentalists mullahs who are willing to blow up people for their so called " PARADISE , VIRGINS AND YOUNG BOYS"(HAHAHA).
Posted by: Indian Hindu at August 23, 2006 11:50 AM (IY71c)
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It is arguable if "Western style" codified civil and criminal law was superior, which you are implying here.
Well, yes, that is exactly what I was implying, and it is superior, because it culminated the the U.S. Constitution, specifically the Bill of Rights, which is now the universal model if a people want to establish a free country and fair system of government. Can you think of one better?
There were a great many atrocities being committed in Europe as in the rest of the world.
Yep, and we've long gotten past all that, but the non-Western world hasn't. Next.
Under HINDU India, arts and education flourished. The oldest university in the world, for example, was an "Indian" university: Takshashila University (Taxila): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Universities_of_India Another ancient University is Nalanda University in India: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalanda_University founded prior to the 5th Century BC. the oldest European University is the University of Bologna, Italy which was founded in 1088 for example.
And of course you make no mention of the Academy at Athens, birthplace of democracy, at roughly the same time period. You are an anti-Western hack.
There were masses of the peasant class in Europe at the time, they also lived in a state of servitude.
Yep, and many of them escaped to America, where they founded the apex of Western civilization. It's the journey and struggle, not a time, place, or circumstances, that define Liberty. What has India or any other non-Western nation contributed to the cause of Liberty?
You talk of the British, that is what we are talking here, its not a question of white or brown... unless you're a racist and these things are the first things you see?
You, my dear dishonest hypocrite, are the one who speaks only of the British, as if they were the only ones who had ever made war in India. You're a liar hypocrite, plain and simple.
It was wrong in the way your depicted everything being peachy and happy with the British occupation of India. It wasn't.
I never said "peachy" or "happy". Now you're a liar. Next strawman please.
Again the brown skin. You seem to be preoccupied with melanin content.
And again you dodge the issue. Why do you only pick on the British? Hypocrite, liar, and now racist.
I suggest you stop confining your reading to Western only sources. They are very wrong in a number of ways, including what you will find in the link above, that 0, and 1-9 are Indian inventions, yet they are incorrectly labeled as Arab Numerals, they are in fact Indian.
I have read more about India, from various sources, than you ever will, because the history of civilizations is one of my interests, and your lying, hypocrisy, racism, and ad hominem attacks just go to show how hollow and shallow your argument is.
I would agree that in the past 500 years, the West has seemingly contributed more to the world, but the West hasn't had to contend with Muslim Invasions the way India has.
So when the Turks were besieging Europe, they weren't muslim then? When Europe was forming and defining itself through internicine warfare for five hundred years, that doesn't count?
China had the benefit of being an isolationist civilization that never came out from under the rock until recent times. Civilizations go in cycles.
Yes, and Chinese civilization has completely collapsed on at least three occasions, and is on its fourth ascendancy - with Western ideas and technology leading the way.
Its good to be proud, but not to the point of arrogance.
Ah, the old arrogance accusation. I was wondering when you'd get around to that. It shows that you really know, deep down, that I'm right, and you can't stand it. Loser.
The way you seemingly pride European heritage, some Indians [wrongly imho] pride their heritage.
It's not about pride, but results. I have nothing against India, and love its culture, but it has directly contributed little to the advancement of humanity.
They feel that Europeans were chucking spears when they were performing brain surgery.
That part is true, but Europe doesn't have India's rich soil or long growing season, both of which contributed to the early rise of civilization there.
Civilizations rise and fall, but at the end of the day we're all human. Thats my take on it.
Except white people, who are devils.
Well, yes, that is exactly what I was implying, and it is superior, because it culminated the the U.S. Constitution, specifically the Bill of Rights, which is now the universal model if a people want to establish a free country and fair system of government. Can you think of one better?
There were a great many atrocities being committed in Europe as in the rest of the world.
Yep, and we've long gotten past all that, but the non-Western world hasn't. Next.
Under HINDU India, arts and education flourished. The oldest university in the world, for example, was an "Indian" university: Takshashila University (Taxila): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Universities_of_India Another ancient University is Nalanda University in India: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalanda_University founded prior to the 5th Century BC. the oldest European University is the University of Bologna, Italy which was founded in 1088 for example.
And of course you make no mention of the Academy at Athens, birthplace of democracy, at roughly the same time period. You are an anti-Western hack.
There were masses of the peasant class in Europe at the time, they also lived in a state of servitude.
Yep, and many of them escaped to America, where they founded the apex of Western civilization. It's the journey and struggle, not a time, place, or circumstances, that define Liberty. What has India or any other non-Western nation contributed to the cause of Liberty?
You talk of the British, that is what we are talking here, its not a question of white or brown... unless you're a racist and these things are the first things you see?
You, my dear dishonest hypocrite, are the one who speaks only of the British, as if they were the only ones who had ever made war in India. You're a liar hypocrite, plain and simple.
It was wrong in the way your depicted everything being peachy and happy with the British occupation of India. It wasn't.
I never said "peachy" or "happy". Now you're a liar. Next strawman please.
Again the brown skin. You seem to be preoccupied with melanin content.
And again you dodge the issue. Why do you only pick on the British? Hypocrite, liar, and now racist.
I suggest you stop confining your reading to Western only sources. They are very wrong in a number of ways, including what you will find in the link above, that 0, and 1-9 are Indian inventions, yet they are incorrectly labeled as Arab Numerals, they are in fact Indian.
I have read more about India, from various sources, than you ever will, because the history of civilizations is one of my interests, and your lying, hypocrisy, racism, and ad hominem attacks just go to show how hollow and shallow your argument is.
I would agree that in the past 500 years, the West has seemingly contributed more to the world, but the West hasn't had to contend with Muslim Invasions the way India has.
So when the Turks were besieging Europe, they weren't muslim then? When Europe was forming and defining itself through internicine warfare for five hundred years, that doesn't count?
China had the benefit of being an isolationist civilization that never came out from under the rock until recent times. Civilizations go in cycles.
Yes, and Chinese civilization has completely collapsed on at least three occasions, and is on its fourth ascendancy - with Western ideas and technology leading the way.
Its good to be proud, but not to the point of arrogance.
Ah, the old arrogance accusation. I was wondering when you'd get around to that. It shows that you really know, deep down, that I'm right, and you can't stand it. Loser.
The way you seemingly pride European heritage, some Indians [wrongly imho] pride their heritage.
It's not about pride, but results. I have nothing against India, and love its culture, but it has directly contributed little to the advancement of humanity.
They feel that Europeans were chucking spears when they were performing brain surgery.
That part is true, but Europe doesn't have India's rich soil or long growing season, both of which contributed to the early rise of civilization there.
Civilizations rise and fall, but at the end of the day we're all human. Thats my take on it.
Except white people, who are devils.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 23, 2006 12:07 PM (v3I+x)
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Kloss: Always a dickhead pops out with every conversation. I will let the other contributors from India answer your statement. Seems like 4 of 5 seems to disagree with your comment.
But keep kissing those muslim asses. I'm sure you are helping peaceful nations like India with your BS.
But keep kissing those muslim asses. I'm sure you are helping peaceful nations like India with your BS.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 23, 2006 12:48 PM (QIUU7)
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HAHAHAH kloss seems to have a very warped meaning of Terrorism.
See , Shiv Sena , BJP, RSS AND VHP have not planted bombs in India.They run some of the best ("MODERN") Institutions in the country. They have also helped masses in a lot of ways. And , if these parties really wanted to be a terrorist outfit they would have gone ona rampage and killed muslims. The very fact that muslim population(in india) has increased from 9% to 19% disproves your so called "TERRORIST" claims. And , if these parties wanted to be another NAZI regime they would have slaughtered muslims when they came to power.So there goes your "RUBBISH" into the trash can.SO PLEASE GIVE THESE THEORIES TO SOME OTHER SECULAR FOOL , WHO WILL NOD HIS HEAD IN APPROVAL.
So by your definition ISRAEL AND G.BUSH are terrorists too? heheheheheh . If you are one of those "IGNORANT AMERICANS" and does not understand the situation in India , then you just have the Holier than Thou attitude. And , if you are a "SECULAR IDIOT" then please post the same comments when those islamic terrorists place a bomb in a train in which your parents are travelling.
BEFORE PEOPLE JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS , I SUPPORT G.BUSH AND ISRAEL, and the SHIV SENA , BJP , VHP , RSS.The problem is with their religion and the islamic terrorists and NOT WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE FINDING FAULT WITH THE RELIGION.
See , Shiv Sena , BJP, RSS AND VHP have not planted bombs in India.They run some of the best ("MODERN") Institutions in the country. They have also helped masses in a lot of ways. And , if these parties really wanted to be a terrorist outfit they would have gone ona rampage and killed muslims. The very fact that muslim population(in india) has increased from 9% to 19% disproves your so called "TERRORIST" claims. And , if these parties wanted to be another NAZI regime they would have slaughtered muslims when they came to power.So there goes your "RUBBISH" into the trash can.SO PLEASE GIVE THESE THEORIES TO SOME OTHER SECULAR FOOL , WHO WILL NOD HIS HEAD IN APPROVAL.
So by your definition ISRAEL AND G.BUSH are terrorists too? heheheheheh . If you are one of those "IGNORANT AMERICANS" and does not understand the situation in India , then you just have the Holier than Thou attitude. And , if you are a "SECULAR IDIOT" then please post the same comments when those islamic terrorists place a bomb in a train in which your parents are travelling.
BEFORE PEOPLE JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS , I SUPPORT G.BUSH AND ISRAEL, and the SHIV SENA , BJP , VHP , RSS.The problem is with their religion and the islamic terrorists and NOT WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE FINDING FAULT WITH THE RELIGION.
Posted by: Indian at August 23, 2006 01:35 PM (IY71c)
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Just a thought ... ASSUMING , the HINDU POPULATION in India was 19% , do you think the HINDUS would survive in MUSLIM INDIA?
Just to quote figures , the Hindu population in BANGLADESH has fallen from 26% to 6%.
The Hindu popluation is barely 2000 in Pakistan.
Just to quote figures , the Hindu population in BANGLADESH has fallen from 26% to 6%.
The Hindu popluation is barely 2000 in Pakistan.
Posted by: Indian at August 23, 2006 01:42 PM (IY71c)
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Just a thought ... ASSUMING , the HINDU POPULATION in India was 19% , do you think the HINDUS would survive in MUSLIM INDIA?
Just to quote figures , the Hindu population in BANGLADESH has fallen from 26% to 6%.
The Hindu popluation is barely 2000 in Pakistan.
Just to quote figures , the Hindu population in BANGLADESH has fallen from 26% to 6%.
The Hindu popluation is barely 2000 in Pakistan.
Posted by: Hindu at August 23, 2006 01:43 PM (IY71c)
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Greyrooster --- insult me Yes, but provide your own response, you have not!
Come on guys, all those who are posting about how Islam/Muslims need to be wiped out, are the worst thing to happen to India, etc etc --- why hide behind your terrorism reason?
You hate Muslims and Islam and that's the only reason there is even some Westerners who support Hindus --- equal hatred of Islam.
But that's OK to hate them. Just don't make make flimsy & revealing arguments as to why you do. Be bold enough to state your intention. But then, what would you guys really have to talk about?
And to the one who posted "IMO , IT IS JUST A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THIS TERRORIST RELIGION IS WIPED OUT" ....
are you really that much of an ignorant ostrich with your head in the sand? the fact is the exact obvious, that it is among the fastest growing religions on the planet.
This, in addition to the 1.2 Billion Muslims that already exist.
Muslims ruled India for hundreds of years --- and yet, majority of India is Hindu. That in of itself shows the ignorant posters here that they have their facts all messed up about history.
Greyrooster --- insult me Yes, but provide your own response, you have not!
Come on guys, all those who are posting about how Islam/Muslims need to be wiped out, are the worst thing to happen to India, etc etc --- why hide behind your terrorism reason?
You hate Muslims and Islam and that's the only reason there is even some Westerners who support Hindus --- equal hatred of Islam.
But that's OK to hate them. Just don't make make flimsy & revealing arguments as to why you do. Be bold enough to state your intention. But then, what would you guys really have to talk about?
And to the one who posted "IMO , IT IS JUST A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE THIS TERRORIST RELIGION IS WIPED OUT" ....
are you really that much of an ignorant ostrich with your head in the sand? the fact is the exact obvious, that it is among the fastest growing religions on the planet.
This, in addition to the 1.2 Billion Muslims that already exist.
Muslims ruled India for hundreds of years --- and yet, majority of India is Hindu. That in of itself shows the ignorant posters here that they have their facts all messed up about history.
Posted by: Kloss at August 23, 2006 04:07 PM (LBfaS)
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Hindus are very cool people. Jews and Hindus get along better than almost any people. Brothers against the Islamic Terrorist that try to ruin the peace..
Posted by: Mark at August 23, 2006 05:25 PM (4/O/w)
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Kloss: You said that the majority of India is Hindu despite being ruled by Muslims. This comment is steeped in ignorance! First of all, Greater India (before Islam arrived) included present day Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Afghanistan and parts of Myanmar. Excluding Myanmar and modern India,all of these countries have a huge (>95%) Muslim majority! Current political borders did not exist in those days. The real borders were with the Zoroastrians (Iran) on the west and Buddhists (China) on the east. Look up a map and see the size of that land area. Then look at the size of current day India.
The Muslims only set India back 1000 years with their medieval customs, misogyny, violence, weird dress etc. Add some Victorian rule to the mix and many modern Hindus don't even realize what their true culture is. Sati, dowry,misogyny etc arose from a mix of Islam, Victorian customs and contemporary poverty and ignorance.
The Muslims only set India back 1000 years with their medieval customs, misogyny, violence, weird dress etc. Add some Victorian rule to the mix and many modern Hindus don't even realize what their true culture is. Sati, dowry,misogyny etc arose from a mix of Islam, Victorian customs and contemporary poverty and ignorance.
Posted by: Another Indian Hindu at August 23, 2006 05:37 PM (RKRr/)
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Islam is the world's fastest growing religion for one reason & one reason only - birth rate. They've got the highest birth rate on the planet with no signs of slow down - especially arabs.
Posted by: hondo at August 23, 2006 05:46 PM (XrexX)
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Just a word of advice:
Keep in mind that Muslims rarely post on blogs under the name Ahmed or Ibrahim or whatever. I have seen Muslims posting under 'Western' names to grant legitimacy to their comments. They will do anything to drive a wedge between their enemies, such as accusing Hindus of non-existent anti-semitism or even posting under Hindu names. Check out the tells of 'Joshua' at YNet.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3293949,00.html
Wanna bet his/her real name is Jamal or Jameela?
Keep in mind that Muslims rarely post on blogs under the name Ahmed or Ibrahim or whatever. I have seen Muslims posting under 'Western' names to grant legitimacy to their comments. They will do anything to drive a wedge between their enemies, such as accusing Hindus of non-existent anti-semitism or even posting under Hindu names. Check out the tells of 'Joshua' at YNet.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3293949,00.html
Wanna bet his/her real name is Jamal or Jameela?
Posted by: Another Indian Hindu\ at August 23, 2006 05:55 PM (RKRr/)
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Hondo ---
Again, your internal hatred for Islam & Muslims shows through your argument.
I told you Islam is among the fastest growing religions in the world. Let me ADD to that, that here in the United States, it is the fastest growing religion as well, soon to overtake Judaism in 10-20 years -- and the birth rate of Muslims is relatively equal to Christians! How do you explain that? Do some simple Google research and off of Christian websites and they will point to the "conversion" factor as the main cause.
Conversion is high, look around the world. That's why so many Christian groups are engaging in active evangelical work here in the U.S.A and abroad, because so many people are converting to Islam.
What's my point? That it cannot be "wiped" or destroyed as suggested by that simpleton poster earlier. It is the 2nd largest religion in the world, even though it is the youngest religion of such caliber in history and this "success" cannot be ignored and don't put your head in the sand about it. You must deal with Islam through something much different than your personal hatred and centuries-old animosity!
You guys come here it seems, to share in the community of equal Muslim haters. Hate the Islamic terrorists but what you got going here is pretty sad and pathetic.
I would guarantee that the majority of you (especially Indian Hindus) hide these thoughts from your Muslim counterparts (if you have any). If you believe in something, don't be afraid to say it directly. Otherwise you know what you really are.
Again, your internal hatred for Islam & Muslims shows through your argument.
I told you Islam is among the fastest growing religions in the world. Let me ADD to that, that here in the United States, it is the fastest growing religion as well, soon to overtake Judaism in 10-20 years -- and the birth rate of Muslims is relatively equal to Christians! How do you explain that? Do some simple Google research and off of Christian websites and they will point to the "conversion" factor as the main cause.
Conversion is high, look around the world. That's why so many Christian groups are engaging in active evangelical work here in the U.S.A and abroad, because so many people are converting to Islam.
What's my point? That it cannot be "wiped" or destroyed as suggested by that simpleton poster earlier. It is the 2nd largest religion in the world, even though it is the youngest religion of such caliber in history and this "success" cannot be ignored and don't put your head in the sand about it. You must deal with Islam through something much different than your personal hatred and centuries-old animosity!
You guys come here it seems, to share in the community of equal Muslim haters. Hate the Islamic terrorists but what you got going here is pretty sad and pathetic.
I would guarantee that the majority of you (especially Indian Hindus) hide these thoughts from your Muslim counterparts (if you have any). If you believe in something, don't be afraid to say it directly. Otherwise you know what you really are.
Posted by: Kloss at August 23, 2006 08:08 PM (LBfaS)
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Hit a nerve huh? Just got tired of that often repeated BS about world's fastest growing religion as if it is suppose to be some shining indicator of special validity.
And BS it is - part of a public relations spin on the face of islam.
Most people don't bother to check - but islamic countries do indeed have the highest birthrates which almost solely account for islam's growth - nothing special there unless you want to play semantics with it and alter its meaning to something "islamicly mystical".
The conversion crap is just that - more PR designed to give some glowing image.
And BS it is - part of a public relations spin on the face of islam.
Most people don't bother to check - but islamic countries do indeed have the highest birthrates which almost solely account for islam's growth - nothing special there unless you want to play semantics with it and alter its meaning to something "islamicly mystical".
The conversion crap is just that - more PR designed to give some glowing image.
Posted by: hondo at August 23, 2006 10:11 PM (XrexX)
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I don't hate islam - don't advocate death to all, destroy them etc - everybody here knows that (I'm a softy) - don't fear it either.
Truth is - I don't give a flying fuck about islam, mohammed, or any of your shit - I have no respect for islam and am totally indifferent to it.
That's the problem, isn't it. Most here don't realize that what muslims want is to be acknowledged, respected, and feared - you want your place recognized in world civilization for today and tommarrow.
That is what you want kloss - and I say - fuck off & die - I ain't giving you or islam jackshit.
Truth is - I don't give a flying fuck about islam, mohammed, or any of your shit - I have no respect for islam and am totally indifferent to it.
That's the problem, isn't it. Most here don't realize that what muslims want is to be acknowledged, respected, and feared - you want your place recognized in world civilization for today and tommarrow.
That is what you want kloss - and I say - fuck off & die - I ain't giving you or islam jackshit.
Posted by: hondo at August 23, 2006 10:22 PM (XrexX)
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Point numbr one: I am a Hindu from India.
Point number two; I am not surprised that the Indian government banned bloggs as the poison here is far too strong. What purpose does hating anyone serve? Will it bring back the Mauryan Empire? What do people want; one set of Indians to wage war on another set?? This is not right.
Point number three; As for defending India, I put my full trust in the Indian military, the RAW, and state police, and leaders. I also trust India's international friends; Israel and America and other friends like Indonesia, Malaysia and Egypt.
Point number five; You are right about what happened to Hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh. But that is the reason why those nations are facing a grim future. The same cannot be said for Hindus in Oman, Indonesia, Malaysia, non Taliban Afghanistan. I am not defending the lack of liberalism in the Muslims Middle East. But turing India, or for that matter the US and Israel, into Saudi US and Saudi India will not help our economic growth rates. The futire belongs to nations that are generally liberal, democratic, and free.
I don't know about anyone, but I do not have issues with people. I have Indian Muslim friends and friends of all religions, including Jews. There will NOT be any progress in the world if we move away from the concepts of freedom, secularism, and democracy.
Indian Hindu
Point number two; I am not surprised that the Indian government banned bloggs as the poison here is far too strong. What purpose does hating anyone serve? Will it bring back the Mauryan Empire? What do people want; one set of Indians to wage war on another set?? This is not right.
Point number three; As for defending India, I put my full trust in the Indian military, the RAW, and state police, and leaders. I also trust India's international friends; Israel and America and other friends like Indonesia, Malaysia and Egypt.
Point number five; You are right about what happened to Hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh. But that is the reason why those nations are facing a grim future. The same cannot be said for Hindus in Oman, Indonesia, Malaysia, non Taliban Afghanistan. I am not defending the lack of liberalism in the Muslims Middle East. But turing India, or for that matter the US and Israel, into Saudi US and Saudi India will not help our economic growth rates. The futire belongs to nations that are generally liberal, democratic, and free.
I don't know about anyone, but I do not have issues with people. I have Indian Muslim friends and friends of all religions, including Jews. There will NOT be any progress in the world if we move away from the concepts of freedom, secularism, and democracy.
Indian Hindu
Posted by: Indian Hindu at August 24, 2006 03:23 AM (w4INs)
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This whole debate is as stupid and ignorant as the name of this eatery. All you do is quarreling about whether this name is Hindu or Muslim in order to endorse your prejudices and stirring hate against a minority.
If you would be interested a little bit in Indian politics you would clearly know that the leader of the Hindu Party BJP, Bal Thackeray, resident of Mumbai, is an admirer of Adolf Hitler. So, don't blame all Muslims for any antisemitism, but look what really happen in order to understand it.
And for some ignorant Hindus: Hindus have butchered as much Muslims as Muslims have butchered Hindus. You are no innocent victims.
By the way: I am a German citizen with a Hindu father.
If you would be interested a little bit in Indian politics you would clearly know that the leader of the Hindu Party BJP, Bal Thackeray, resident of Mumbai, is an admirer of Adolf Hitler. So, don't blame all Muslims for any antisemitism, but look what really happen in order to understand it.
And for some ignorant Hindus: Hindus have butchered as much Muslims as Muslims have butchered Hindus. You are no innocent victims.
By the way: I am a German citizen with a Hindu father.
Posted by: Evelyn Chatterji at August 24, 2006 07:12 AM (8zlnn)
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Kloss , really kicks ass. I mean just because it is such a "SUCCESSFUL"(ahem) religion does it grant them permission to kill people?
Now , I am sure that Kloss is either Khalid or Kadir.And , please learn some Indian History before you post , because you obviously know nothing.India before 1947 was huge. And it included PORKISTAN,BANGLADESH , parts of AFGHANISTAN, MYANMAR.And the Muslims were the majority, just do some addition and you will know Hindus were the minority then. Unless , you are stuck on the ISLAMIC concept of 1. The islamic invadrs destroyed 400 temples , forcibly converted the hindus, raped women etc the list is endless.The only good kings were AKBAR , SHER SHAH SURI, BAHADUR SHAH ZAFAR , SHAH JAHAN the rest were ASSHOLES.
We , Indians do not want anything to do with those Muslims.If they can keep their half cut cocks inside their pants and mind their own business it is better for them. As the day the Indians lose their mind , Muslims will learn a lesson.
So , ISLAM is growing - is that good or bad? well it is scary. As long as, they try to lead a good life , no one will have a problem. But , it is in their blood hate anyone who is a NON-MUSLIM.So , let me try to figure out what you are trying to say here - JUST BECAUSE THOSE GUYS KEEP GETTING LAID AND GIVE BIRTH TO MANY MORE TERRORISTS AND FUNDAMENTALISTS , THE RELIGION THEY FOLLOW MUST BE GOOD AND MUST BE A PEACEFUL RELIGION? You obviously would not have been able to comprehend what I said as you must have been busy in you LOCAL MOSQUE learning how to build the next Timer Bomb...
PLEASE , LEAVE THE JOB OF DEALING WITH THE TERRORISTS TO US. SO THAT YOU CAN BE WITH YOUR FUNDAMENTALISTS BROTHERS , WHO WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO CUT YOUR "DICK" INTO HALF.
Now , I am sure that Kloss is either Khalid or Kadir.And , please learn some Indian History before you post , because you obviously know nothing.India before 1947 was huge. And it included PORKISTAN,BANGLADESH , parts of AFGHANISTAN, MYANMAR.And the Muslims were the majority, just do some addition and you will know Hindus were the minority then. Unless , you are stuck on the ISLAMIC concept of 1. The islamic invadrs destroyed 400 temples , forcibly converted the hindus, raped women etc the list is endless.The only good kings were AKBAR , SHER SHAH SURI, BAHADUR SHAH ZAFAR , SHAH JAHAN the rest were ASSHOLES.
We , Indians do not want anything to do with those Muslims.If they can keep their half cut cocks inside their pants and mind their own business it is better for them. As the day the Indians lose their mind , Muslims will learn a lesson.
So , ISLAM is growing - is that good or bad? well it is scary. As long as, they try to lead a good life , no one will have a problem. But , it is in their blood hate anyone who is a NON-MUSLIM.So , let me try to figure out what you are trying to say here - JUST BECAUSE THOSE GUYS KEEP GETTING LAID AND GIVE BIRTH TO MANY MORE TERRORISTS AND FUNDAMENTALISTS , THE RELIGION THEY FOLLOW MUST BE GOOD AND MUST BE A PEACEFUL RELIGION? You obviously would not have been able to comprehend what I said as you must have been busy in you LOCAL MOSQUE learning how to build the next Timer Bomb...
PLEASE , LEAVE THE JOB OF DEALING WITH THE TERRORISTS TO US. SO THAT YOU CAN BE WITH YOUR FUNDAMENTALISTS BROTHERS , WHO WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO CUT YOUR "DICK" INTO HALF.
Posted by: snakefighter at August 24, 2006 08:00 AM (HUw/r)
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"If you would be interested a little bit in Indian politics you would clearly know that the leader of the Hindu Party BJP, Bal Thackeray, resident of Mumbai, is an admirer of Adolf Hitler."
@YO GERMAN CITIZEN CHATTERJI!!
Yeah , shows how much you know. He is not the leader of BJP.He is the leader of Shiv Sena.And , please check out the interview where he said that he admires Hitler but he condemns what he did to the Jews. He , has said that it should have been done to the MUSLIMS.
@YO GERMAN CITIZEN CHATTERJI!!
Yeah , shows how much you know. He is not the leader of BJP.He is the leader of Shiv Sena.And , please check out the interview where he said that he admires Hitler but he condemns what he did to the Jews. He , has said that it should have been done to the MUSLIMS.
Posted by: dude at August 24, 2006 08:21 AM (HUw/r)
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"And for some ignorant Hindus: Hindus have butchered as much Muslims as Muslims have butchered Hindus. You are no innocent victims."
@MR.GERMAN CHATTERJI
And when would that be?There is no denying that hindus have killed Muslims.But , please don't give me crap that Hindus have killed as much as muslims have.
Let me tell you , we ARE not Innocent Victims.We are victims whose hands are tied , and we fight a boxing match with our hands tied. Just to tell you , something Christians , Jews , Parsees , Sikhs are all well to do in India ... so what stops the Muslims from going forward and progressing to a more modern outlook.If it is any community that has shown restrain it is the HINDU community. My Bengali brother , you are far away. And after 108 blasts in Maharastra alone from 1992-2006 , when all the accused have been muslims . You must give us our due , for showing restrain. But , there will come a time will patience will run out ...and we might FORCED to fight them.
@MR.GERMAN CHATTERJI
And when would that be?There is no denying that hindus have killed Muslims.But , please don't give me crap that Hindus have killed as much as muslims have.
Let me tell you , we ARE not Innocent Victims.We are victims whose hands are tied , and we fight a boxing match with our hands tied. Just to tell you , something Christians , Jews , Parsees , Sikhs are all well to do in India ... so what stops the Muslims from going forward and progressing to a more modern outlook.If it is any community that has shown restrain it is the HINDU community. My Bengali brother , you are far away. And after 108 blasts in Maharastra alone from 1992-2006 , when all the accused have been muslims . You must give us our due , for showing restrain. But , there will come a time will patience will run out ...and we might FORCED to fight them.
Posted by: dude at August 24, 2006 08:31 AM (HUw/r)
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Kloss you friggin idiot. I support Hindus because are not calling for my death, the death of other religions, and the death of America. America should do everything to aid India in their quest for peace and prosperity.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 24, 2006 08:50 AM (eId1k)
Posted by: greyrooster at August 24, 2006 08:59 AM (eId1k)
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Kloss:
Regarding your aug. 22nd post:
With regards to Shiv Sena, Bajrang Dal, RSS, etc. They have been painted as terror groups by some media groups, but the thing that needs to be realized is they have not, EVER, been convicted of STARTING or propagating an attack. EVER. They have NEVER been convicted or even thought to have randomly shot or bombed people or places unprovoked.
When do these groups come out to fight? ONLY when there is instigated by Muslims.
I see this as a big difference than from Muslims who pro-actively attack other groups in India without provocation.
Regarding your aug. 22nd post:
With regards to Shiv Sena, Bajrang Dal, RSS, etc. They have been painted as terror groups by some media groups, but the thing that needs to be realized is they have not, EVER, been convicted of STARTING or propagating an attack. EVER. They have NEVER been convicted or even thought to have randomly shot or bombed people or places unprovoked.
When do these groups come out to fight? ONLY when there is instigated by Muslims.
I see this as a big difference than from Muslims who pro-actively attack other groups in India without provocation.
Posted by: DT2004 at August 24, 2006 10:02 AM (A8Hxo)
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JesuslandJoe:
You are absolutely correct. A lot of people did not know that from Afghanistan to Myanmar was Hindu. Some say the Hindu Kush mountains, north Afghanistan were a place where Muslim Invaders killed Hindus. Apparently, Kush means "kill or Murder" in Arabic. So this translates to "Hindu Kill."
They are barbarians, there is no question about it. I think the reason they are being tolerated is because 18% of India is Muslim. This amounts to almost 200 Million people! Second, the government leaders are corrupt individuals. Corruption is EXTREMELY rampant. Some of them even have ties with the Bombay Mafia, which is mostly run by Muslims. They just care to fill their own pockets and care little for India. You guys cannot believe how much money a governor of even ONE state can make in India: 1 BILLION USD. India actually has a lot of money, but the problem is, it is in the pockets of a VERY, VERY few heartless and corrupt individuals.
You are absolutely correct. A lot of people did not know that from Afghanistan to Myanmar was Hindu. Some say the Hindu Kush mountains, north Afghanistan were a place where Muslim Invaders killed Hindus. Apparently, Kush means "kill or Murder" in Arabic. So this translates to "Hindu Kill."
They are barbarians, there is no question about it. I think the reason they are being tolerated is because 18% of India is Muslim. This amounts to almost 200 Million people! Second, the government leaders are corrupt individuals. Corruption is EXTREMELY rampant. Some of them even have ties with the Bombay Mafia, which is mostly run by Muslims. They just care to fill their own pockets and care little for India. You guys cannot believe how much money a governor of even ONE state can make in India: 1 BILLION USD. India actually has a lot of money, but the problem is, it is in the pockets of a VERY, VERY few heartless and corrupt individuals.
Posted by: DT2004 at August 24, 2006 10:09 AM (A8Hxo)
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JEWS AND HINDUS HAVE NO SIMILARITY WHATSOEVER.CALLING IT A HISTORIC FRIENDSHIP IS A JOKE. JEWS ARE A SPECIAL RACE CHOSEN BY ONE GOD WHEREAS HINDUS HAVE 33 MILLIONS GODS AND GODDESSES. YOU CAN CALL IT A FRIENDSHIP OF CONVENIENCE AS THERE IS NO FRIEND FOR HINDUS IN THE WORLD. CHRISTIANS WANT TO CONVERT HINDUS, MUSLIMS AND HINDUS HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON AND THERE ARE MANY CASTES IN HINDUISM ITSELF THAT MAKES THEM A SHATTERED COMMUNITY. JEWS HATE YOUR SO CALLED SACRED SYMBOL "SWASTIKA". JEWS HAVE WORKED HARD TO BAN THE SWASTIKA IN ALL OF EUROPE. DRAWING SWASTIKA IS A CRIME IN NEW YORK (LAW PASSED RECENTLY IN 2006). MICROSOFT REMOVED THE SWASTIKS SYMBOL FROM THE MICROSOFT OFFICE RECENTLY-UNDER THE JEWSISH COMMUNITY'S PRESSURE.
THE TRUTH IS JEWS AND MUSLIMS SHARE A LOT IN COMMON.THEIR FAITH AND CUSTOMS ARE VERY SIMILAR. JEWS AND MUSLIMS CUT THE COW IN A KOSHER/HALAL METHOD.THEY BURY THEIR DEAD EXACTLY THE SAME WAY. MUSLIMS ARE ALLOWED BY ISLAMIC LAW TO EAT COWS SLAUGHTERED BY JEWS AS IT CONFIRMS TO THE ISLAMIC WAY. JEWS AND MUSLIMS DO NOT EAT PIG. BOTH REGARD MOSES AS THEIR PROPHET. BOTH REGARD ABRAHAM AS THEIR FATHER. BOTH BELIEVE IN ALAH OR ALOHIM AS THEIR ONLY GOD. THE ONLY ONLY PROBLEM BETWEEN MUSLIMS AND JEWS IS THE PALESTINIAN CONFLICT WHICH IS SIMPLY A POLITICAL ISSUE JUST LIKE KASHMIR ISSUE.
HINDUS!WAKE UP FROM THE BAD DREAM AND SEE THE REALITY.
THE TRUTH IS JEWS AND MUSLIMS SHARE A LOT IN COMMON.THEIR FAITH AND CUSTOMS ARE VERY SIMILAR. JEWS AND MUSLIMS CUT THE COW IN A KOSHER/HALAL METHOD.THEY BURY THEIR DEAD EXACTLY THE SAME WAY. MUSLIMS ARE ALLOWED BY ISLAMIC LAW TO EAT COWS SLAUGHTERED BY JEWS AS IT CONFIRMS TO THE ISLAMIC WAY. JEWS AND MUSLIMS DO NOT EAT PIG. BOTH REGARD MOSES AS THEIR PROPHET. BOTH REGARD ABRAHAM AS THEIR FATHER. BOTH BELIEVE IN ALAH OR ALOHIM AS THEIR ONLY GOD. THE ONLY ONLY PROBLEM BETWEEN MUSLIMS AND JEWS IS THE PALESTINIAN CONFLICT WHICH IS SIMPLY A POLITICAL ISSUE JUST LIKE KASHMIR ISSUE.
HINDUS!WAKE UP FROM THE BAD DREAM AND SEE THE REALITY.
Posted by: RAJ at August 24, 2006 10:17 AM (wauNA)
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Dear Evelyn,
I hope you won't be offended by this, but your dad IS from West Bengal. WB is one of only two communist states in India. Indian communists have traditionally been close allies of Muslims. I'm not surprised your dad mistakenly blames Hindus and absolves Muslims of blame. But I can't forgive YOU for making his mistake. You have access to the news in a modern Western nation; you should come up with your own conclusions. How many times do Hindus attack Muslims unprovoked? Now, how often do Muslims attack everyone else?
Hindu fundamentalists don't admire Hitler. They just admit he was a man of strong will, but definitely an EVIL man. They only wish that someone with equally strong resolve, but with a GOOD purpose, will rid India of its Islamic terror problem. This does NOT mean sending them to death camps, but it does mean restricting their growth, deportation to Muslim countries, and active reconversion to Hinduism where possible. Hindus have been the most vocal supporters of Israel (barring some Communists, ahem).
I hope you won't be offended by this, but your dad IS from West Bengal. WB is one of only two communist states in India. Indian communists have traditionally been close allies of Muslims. I'm not surprised your dad mistakenly blames Hindus and absolves Muslims of blame. But I can't forgive YOU for making his mistake. You have access to the news in a modern Western nation; you should come up with your own conclusions. How many times do Hindus attack Muslims unprovoked? Now, how often do Muslims attack everyone else?
Hindu fundamentalists don't admire Hitler. They just admit he was a man of strong will, but definitely an EVIL man. They only wish that someone with equally strong resolve, but with a GOOD purpose, will rid India of its Islamic terror problem. This does NOT mean sending them to death camps, but it does mean restricting their growth, deportation to Muslim countries, and active reconversion to Hinduism where possible. Hindus have been the most vocal supporters of Israel (barring some Communists, ahem).
Posted by: Another Indian Hindu at August 24, 2006 10:18 AM (ChjOq)
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Raj,
You are right in saying that Islam and Judaism share a lot in common.
However, it's not true that Hindus have 33 million Gods. We may have 33 million forms of God but they are all one and the same, like different drops of water in the ocean.
Also, Jews do not proselytize like Muslims and Christians. Jews and Hindus make good friends albeit with some distance. As long as we don't force our religion on each other, it should be fine.
You are right in saying that Islam and Judaism share a lot in common.
However, it's not true that Hindus have 33 million Gods. We may have 33 million forms of God but they are all one and the same, like different drops of water in the ocean.
Also, Jews do not proselytize like Muslims and Christians. Jews and Hindus make good friends albeit with some distance. As long as we don't force our religion on each other, it should be fine.
Posted by: Another Indian Hindu at August 24, 2006 10:27 AM (ChjOq)
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Indian Hindu,
Indonesia and Malaysia are India's friends? ROFL! You're more misguided than I thought. Muslim Malaysia recently destroyed Hindu temples. Muslim Indonesians bombed Balinese Hindus and refused to let the Indian Navy *help* police the Malacca Strait.
All Arabs support(ed) Pakistan over the Kashmir issue (Saddam was the only exception ROFL and he did that just to give the other Arabs the finger).
Indonesia and Malaysia are India's friends? ROFL! You're more misguided than I thought. Muslim Malaysia recently destroyed Hindu temples. Muslim Indonesians bombed Balinese Hindus and refused to let the Indian Navy *help* police the Malacca Strait.
All Arabs support(ed) Pakistan over the Kashmir issue (Saddam was the only exception ROFL and he did that just to give the other Arabs the finger).
Posted by: Another Indian Hindu at August 24, 2006 10:32 AM (ChjOq)
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leading Hindu organizations RSS and BJP are the most loyal friends of Hitler and Nazism. In fact RSS is based on Nazi idealogy of a pure nation of aryan supremacy.How is that then Hindus and Jews could be friends. If there is a friendship it is temporary till Muslims and Jews get along. Those days are not far when jews and Muslims will join together against Hindus.
Posted by: steve at August 24, 2006 10:37 AM (wauNA)
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Improbulus Maximus:
Trying to argue with a narrow minded, stubborn individual who as a very, very skewed of human history will get me nowhere, so this is my last reply to you. Your 3rd grade U.S. history textbooks have not served you well, but that is the information you keep referring to,
"Greece, the birthplace of democracy, Greece is considered "Western,", Western is democracy, Western is best." Thats the sum of your knowledge apparently.
Lets not even get into the fact that these textbooks take into account what is KNOWN, and by Western standards Greece is old, but there are older advanced civilizations -- and no, not just in India, mesopotamia, India, China, etc. What your 3rd grade western textbooks do not give due credit to, is the advancements, both socially as well as technologically, that served as stepping stones for Western civilization to advance upon.
Where would the world be if there was no system of 0-9? or Metallurgy? Copernicus, Da Vinci, Einstein, all "Western inventors and scientists" would be NO WHERE. So when you write that India has not contributed much to the world, you are wrong.
And let me correct you on your asssertion that the "world" uses the U.S. system as a model. It doesn't. The British system is used in more countries.
What atrocities occur in India? Do tell? Killing 2,000 muslims? Riots? Wait until ANY ONE western country has an 18% Muslim population. England has a much smaller amount, yet there have been several riots there. Lets talk about America. What about the several race riots in recent history? WHAT ABOUT SLAVERY? WHAT ABOUT THE NATIVE AMERICANS? Those are not atrocities committed by the West Improbulus Maximus?
I make no mention of the Academy of Athens, why would I? You're the one saying that the West is superior and that India has not contributed anything, and I've proved you wrong. You sound like a sissy 3rd grader. I'm not saying the West has not contributed anything, like I said, I do think that as you have mentioned, in the past 500 years they have. To which I stated that the period of enlightment in India was stunted with Muslim invasions, to which you do not respond. Nor are you give proper credit to the foundation that was set by the great Indian civilizations, upon which the West built itself.
I said you "depicted" things as being Peachy or Happy, not that you said it. Are you slow or something?
#1 The Turks besieged, BREIFLY, they never stayed on in large amounts. #2, the Ottoman empire has not been nearly as zealous of religious conversions as Arabs have, #3, if you look at the countries the Muslims invaded, most of them are poor by European standards: Russia (esp. Chechen area), Italy, Hungary, Greece. Greece barely made the U.N. the only thing that got Greece accepted was the thinking by Europeans that they are the "cornerstone of Western civilization." Otherwise, its a pretty poor country, as is Hungary, southern Italy, and Russia.
When did I say or imply that white people are devils? Get a grip on reality and stop reading your 3rd grade public school textbooks.
Trying to argue with a narrow minded, stubborn individual who as a very, very skewed of human history will get me nowhere, so this is my last reply to you. Your 3rd grade U.S. history textbooks have not served you well, but that is the information you keep referring to,
"Greece, the birthplace of democracy, Greece is considered "Western,", Western is democracy, Western is best." Thats the sum of your knowledge apparently.
Lets not even get into the fact that these textbooks take into account what is KNOWN, and by Western standards Greece is old, but there are older advanced civilizations -- and no, not just in India, mesopotamia, India, China, etc. What your 3rd grade western textbooks do not give due credit to, is the advancements, both socially as well as technologically, that served as stepping stones for Western civilization to advance upon.
Where would the world be if there was no system of 0-9? or Metallurgy? Copernicus, Da Vinci, Einstein, all "Western inventors and scientists" would be NO WHERE. So when you write that India has not contributed much to the world, you are wrong.
And let me correct you on your asssertion that the "world" uses the U.S. system as a model. It doesn't. The British system is used in more countries.
What atrocities occur in India? Do tell? Killing 2,000 muslims? Riots? Wait until ANY ONE western country has an 18% Muslim population. England has a much smaller amount, yet there have been several riots there. Lets talk about America. What about the several race riots in recent history? WHAT ABOUT SLAVERY? WHAT ABOUT THE NATIVE AMERICANS? Those are not atrocities committed by the West Improbulus Maximus?
I make no mention of the Academy of Athens, why would I? You're the one saying that the West is superior and that India has not contributed anything, and I've proved you wrong. You sound like a sissy 3rd grader. I'm not saying the West has not contributed anything, like I said, I do think that as you have mentioned, in the past 500 years they have. To which I stated that the period of enlightment in India was stunted with Muslim invasions, to which you do not respond. Nor are you give proper credit to the foundation that was set by the great Indian civilizations, upon which the West built itself.
I said you "depicted" things as being Peachy or Happy, not that you said it. Are you slow or something?
#1 The Turks besieged, BREIFLY, they never stayed on in large amounts. #2, the Ottoman empire has not been nearly as zealous of religious conversions as Arabs have, #3, if you look at the countries the Muslims invaded, most of them are poor by European standards: Russia (esp. Chechen area), Italy, Hungary, Greece. Greece barely made the U.N. the only thing that got Greece accepted was the thinking by Europeans that they are the "cornerstone of Western civilization." Otherwise, its a pretty poor country, as is Hungary, southern Italy, and Russia.
When did I say or imply that white people are devils? Get a grip on reality and stop reading your 3rd grade public school textbooks.
Posted by: DT2004 at August 24, 2006 10:42 AM (A8Hxo)
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IndianHindu:
You write that Hinduism lives well in Muslim countries like "non-Taliban" Afghanistan, or "Malaysia."
You are wrong bhai. Muslims ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD in a majority are a problem. Read about the demolition of Hindu temples in Malaysia:
http://www.pluralism.org/news/intl/index.php?xref=Destruction+of+Hindu+Temples+in+Malaysia&sort=DESC
You write that Hinduism lives well in Muslim countries like "non-Taliban" Afghanistan, or "Malaysia."
You are wrong bhai. Muslims ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD in a majority are a problem. Read about the demolition of Hindu temples in Malaysia:
http://www.pluralism.org/news/intl/index.php?xref=Destruction+of+Hindu+Temples+in+Malaysia&sort=DESC
Posted by: DT2004 at August 24, 2006 10:45 AM (A8Hxo)
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AnotherIndianHindu:
Sorry bhai, I see that you already mentioned the grazing of Hindu Temples in Malaysia. "IndianHindu" does not read enough on tihs stuff.
Sorry bhai, I see that you already mentioned the grazing of Hindu Temples in Malaysia. "IndianHindu" does not read enough on tihs stuff.
Posted by: DT2004 at August 24, 2006 10:47 AM (A8Hxo)
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The west is the best. Come here and we'll take care of the rest.
Posted by: Howie at August 24, 2006 10:48 AM (YdcZ0)
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Muslim Alert - Steve! Steve, what's your real name? Samir? Sami?
Posted by: Another Indian Hindu at August 24, 2006 10:48 AM (ChjOq)
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Mr. Jones and Greg tell each other fairy tales.
Posted by: Howie at August 24, 2006 10:51 AM (YdcZ0)
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BREAKING NEWS: THE RESTAURANT IS CHANGING ITS NAME.
For those, such as Improbulus Maximums' doubt of India being a truly democratic, wonderful country, for those that said that right wing Hindu groups are followers of Nazi-ism, and that Hindus are not true allies of Jews, read it and weep.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/world/4138593.html
I told this, in an earlier post, that THE RESTAURANT WILL GET SLACK FROM INDIANS THEMSELVES, AND THEN CHANGE IT. I was right. Sorry, didn't mean to rub it in, but its true.
Hindus are peace loving, and India is a true democracy. Thats all I have to say about this.
For those, such as Improbulus Maximums' doubt of India being a truly democratic, wonderful country, for those that said that right wing Hindu groups are followers of Nazi-ism, and that Hindus are not true allies of Jews, read it and weep.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/world/4138593.html
I told this, in an earlier post, that THE RESTAURANT WILL GET SLACK FROM INDIANS THEMSELVES, AND THEN CHANGE IT. I was right. Sorry, didn't mean to rub it in, but its true.
Hindus are peace loving, and India is a true democracy. Thats all I have to say about this.
Posted by: DT2004 at August 24, 2006 10:52 AM (A8Hxo)
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Besides, what's the point of having a German-themed restaurant without German food! This manager Fatima must be a real moron! Back to Burger King for her ass!
Posted by: hondo at August 24, 2006 11:32 AM (XrexX)
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Greyrooster, Hondo ---
Call me what you want and riddle your comments with abuses towards me -- but I pointed you towards facts that can easily be verified.
And you have not. No facts -- just conjecture.
We'll leave it at that because your basis for argument is the proverbial shout-and-insult me down.
Others who are feel a need to accuse of being a Muslim because I don't share in the venom that you do...
what's your point in trying to accuse me of being a Muslim?
Stick to the points I am making.
I am not a Muslim but the reason why I make the arguments against you is because you have prejudices that are beyond control! As I've said, I am at war with the Islamic terrorists -- but not with the Islamic world.
Why? Because the overwhelming majority of the 1.2 Billion Muslims have not attacked America, India, Israel, Hindus, Jews, Christians, etc.
If they did, we should have a global war against Islam at levels you cannot imagine. But they have not and therefore, your arguments are foolish and an expression of your internal hatred.
Silly people, *IF* Muslims on a whole wanted to do what you think they aspire to do, ALL of humanity would be either converted, killed, or in a perpetual war that would have destroyed us all by now!
Worldwide, airplanes, churches, synagogues, temples, financial buildings, army bases, would have bombs and fiery blasts devouring them.
Islam has been around for more than 1400 years and its track record of killing masses of people is nothing in comparison to what the Nazis, Fascists and Communist totalitarian dictators did! Again don't take my word for it, look up the facts; they are easy to find an unbiased.
That's why a response to the Islamic terrorist threat must be smart and not what you guys are suggesting, inflaming one against the other without taking into account who is an innocent person and who isn't.
Like I said, if Muslims wanted to kill every Jew, Christian, Hindu and atheist, we would all be done by now.
Greyrooster, Hondo ---
Call me what you want and riddle your comments with abuses towards me -- but I pointed you towards facts that can easily be verified.
And you have not. No facts -- just conjecture.
We'll leave it at that because your basis for argument is the proverbial shout-and-insult me down.
Others who are feel a need to accuse of being a Muslim because I don't share in the venom that you do...
what's your point in trying to accuse me of being a Muslim?
Stick to the points I am making.
I am not a Muslim but the reason why I make the arguments against you is because you have prejudices that are beyond control! As I've said, I am at war with the Islamic terrorists -- but not with the Islamic world.
Why? Because the overwhelming majority of the 1.2 Billion Muslims have not attacked America, India, Israel, Hindus, Jews, Christians, etc.
If they did, we should have a global war against Islam at levels you cannot imagine. But they have not and therefore, your arguments are foolish and an expression of your internal hatred.
Silly people, *IF* Muslims on a whole wanted to do what you think they aspire to do, ALL of humanity would be either converted, killed, or in a perpetual war that would have destroyed us all by now!
Worldwide, airplanes, churches, synagogues, temples, financial buildings, army bases, would have bombs and fiery blasts devouring them.
Islam has been around for more than 1400 years and its track record of killing masses of people is nothing in comparison to what the Nazis, Fascists and Communist totalitarian dictators did! Again don't take my word for it, look up the facts; they are easy to find an unbiased.
That's why a response to the Islamic terrorist threat must be smart and not what you guys are suggesting, inflaming one against the other without taking into account who is an innocent person and who isn't.
Like I said, if Muslims wanted to kill every Jew, Christian, Hindu and atheist, we would all be done by now.
Posted by: Kloss at August 24, 2006 11:34 AM (LBfaS)
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People like KLOSS , should wake up and see what is happening around them. Local BRITISH muslims being invovled in terrorist activites. Indian Muslims arrested for the 7/11 blasts.This is just the trend.With more and more Muslims swearing their allegiance to their religion and being least bothered about the country they stay in , is a dangerous sign. KLOSS , you are just looking at the current scenario maybe because you have not been affected by TERRORISM. I stay in Mumbai , and I swear to GOD,I have seen a lot of these people who are not bothered about INDIA.They are shameless beyond doubt. How would you feel when you hear People who live in your country support PAKISTAN your country's worst enemy?How would you feel when they are ashamed/refuse to sing the Indian National song" Vande mataram" (hymn to the freedom fighters ) because Islam does not allow people to bow their heads to anyone apart from ALLAH? In my country , they are given 150 crores as HAJ SUBSIDY, and they abuse the very country that gives them these privileges.... And WHY SHOULD WE TOLERATE THIS NONSENSE?
We have no problem with people who work hard for their family. Earn their daily wages , and want to have happy life. People in India have had enough of this Islamic terrorism. There are other terrorists in this world , but it is not base on religious Ideology. This one is even more dangerous as the more people unite and form the ISLAMIC BLOC , the more vulnerable my country is. IN THE END , MY COUNTRY MATTERS MORE THAN ANYTHING.AND , BY SITTING 10,000 MILES AWAY AND POSTING WITHOUT KNOWING THE GROUND REALITIES YOU ARE JUST PROVING WHAT A FOOL YOU ARE.
Remmember one thing , these people want to bleed you with a 1000 wounds. YOU CANNOT TALK TO THEM . AS APART FROM PALESTINE WHAT IS THE POSSIBLE REASON FOR THESE TERRORISTS TO ATTACK "U.S".CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT PROVOKED THEM TO ATTACK U.S? WHAT PROVOKED THEM TO ATTACK THE ZILLION CITIES IN MAINLAND INDIA(I can understan Kashmir).?
So , if negotiations is ruled out. The only thing left is to wait for them to attack you - or you attack them.... I prefer attacking them first , because they have bled me a 1000 times , I WONT DIE WITHOUT A FIGHT. AT LEAST , TO SAVE MY HONOUR.IF I HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN MY CHILDREN AND THEIR , I WILL CHOOSE MY CHILDREN. IF I HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN BY COUNTRY AND THEIR COUNTRY , I WOULD CHOOSE MINE.
We have no problem with people who work hard for their family. Earn their daily wages , and want to have happy life. People in India have had enough of this Islamic terrorism. There are other terrorists in this world , but it is not base on religious Ideology. This one is even more dangerous as the more people unite and form the ISLAMIC BLOC , the more vulnerable my country is. IN THE END , MY COUNTRY MATTERS MORE THAN ANYTHING.AND , BY SITTING 10,000 MILES AWAY AND POSTING WITHOUT KNOWING THE GROUND REALITIES YOU ARE JUST PROVING WHAT A FOOL YOU ARE.
Remmember one thing , these people want to bleed you with a 1000 wounds. YOU CANNOT TALK TO THEM . AS APART FROM PALESTINE WHAT IS THE POSSIBLE REASON FOR THESE TERRORISTS TO ATTACK "U.S".CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT PROVOKED THEM TO ATTACK U.S? WHAT PROVOKED THEM TO ATTACK THE ZILLION CITIES IN MAINLAND INDIA(I can understan Kashmir).?
So , if negotiations is ruled out. The only thing left is to wait for them to attack you - or you attack them.... I prefer attacking them first , because they have bled me a 1000 times , I WONT DIE WITHOUT A FIGHT. AT LEAST , TO SAVE MY HONOUR.IF I HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN MY CHILDREN AND THEIR , I WILL CHOOSE MY CHILDREN. IF I HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN BY COUNTRY AND THEIR COUNTRY , I WOULD CHOOSE MINE.
Posted by: killer at August 24, 2006 12:02 PM (HUw/r)
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Just for a change my friend KLOSS THE SIMPLETON.
Please check out this link , and see what I-SLAM teaches ...
www.faithfreedom.org
very peaceful religion I must say.
Please check out this link , and see what I-SLAM teaches ...
www.faithfreedom.org
very peaceful religion I must say.
Posted by: killer at August 24, 2006 12:06 PM (HUw/r)
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http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm
KLOSS , CHECK THIS OUT. DEFEAT HIM AND WIN $ 50, 000 . It is a great chance for you secularists. And , he has proof that this is a terrorist religion.
KLOSS , CHECK THIS OUT. DEFEAT HIM AND WIN $ 50, 000 . It is a great chance for you secularists. And , he has proof that this is a terrorist religion.
Posted by: killer at August 24, 2006 12:12 PM (HUw/r)
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Raw senseless emotion, that's all that you got.
*Where* are the masses of Muslims attacking flights, building and "infidels" in the USA, in the UK, in India?
What's the total number they got, 15, 25, 500, 1000, say even 1M?!
And what percentage of 1.2 Billion is that?
Your emotional hatred of the whole Islamic peoples is not justified by the actual number of people who are committing these acts.
If 10 Muslims commit just 1 act of terror in 100 different places around the globe, that looks like a global massive war from the Muslims doesn't it? You can spin things any way you want them my friend.
And it's this point that belies your whole tactic. Wise up and if logical & aware people look at the facts, you will be shown for who you really are -- hateful opportunists.
If you direct your attacks against the actual Muslim terrorists that do this, you are totally correct. But not if you use that to attack Islam and Muslims at large. That shows you have a much larger agenda. And I'll respect that too, but as long as you can say it straight and direct, and not hide behind the baseless excuses!
I invite the readers here to find how much *fact* is actually in the posts from those who have written the most vile things to say about *all* Muslims and Islam.
If you don't have facts, you are wasting everyone's time.
Raw senseless emotion, that's all that you got.
*Where* are the masses of Muslims attacking flights, building and "infidels" in the USA, in the UK, in India?
What's the total number they got, 15, 25, 500, 1000, say even 1M?!
And what percentage of 1.2 Billion is that?
Your emotional hatred of the whole Islamic peoples is not justified by the actual number of people who are committing these acts.
If 10 Muslims commit just 1 act of terror in 100 different places around the globe, that looks like a global massive war from the Muslims doesn't it? You can spin things any way you want them my friend.
And it's this point that belies your whole tactic. Wise up and if logical & aware people look at the facts, you will be shown for who you really are -- hateful opportunists.
If you direct your attacks against the actual Muslim terrorists that do this, you are totally correct. But not if you use that to attack Islam and Muslims at large. That shows you have a much larger agenda. And I'll respect that too, but as long as you can say it straight and direct, and not hide behind the baseless excuses!
I invite the readers here to find how much *fact* is actually in the posts from those who have written the most vile things to say about *all* Muslims and Islam.
If you don't have facts, you are wasting everyone's time.
Posted by: Kloss at August 24, 2006 03:31 PM (LBfaS)
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Kloss,
You recieved a link. Go to it if you have the balls to do so. The answers are there. There are peaceful Muslims but that's despite their being Muslim, not because they're Muslim. See the difference?
You recieved a link. Go to it if you have the balls to do so. The answers are there. There are peaceful Muslims but that's despite their being Muslim, not because they're Muslim. See the difference?
Posted by: Another Indian Hindu at August 24, 2006 03:57 PM (ChjOq)
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I am satisfied that my friends in India are aware of the danger, and either are taking steps by watching closely, or they are prepared to react if need be. That is all I can ask any man to do, as that is what I do. But I say this, I, like many of my friends in India, am prepared to live peacefully with anyone who is willing to live with me in peace, but I will fight if need be.
Posted by: jesusland joe at August 24, 2006 05:46 PM (rUyw4)
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kloss
Thank you for grouping me with my good ol' friend greyrooster. Better company can not be found (unless its a good lookin' female of course - sorry GR).
Looking back in reflection - I notice that neither I nor greyrooster bothered to get particularly involved with this topic. A couple of line comments here and there - not much actually.
GR's few comments were essentially benign and short - He likes and respects Hindus and their culture and wishes them luck - that's about it.
Mine were almost exclusively a few short satirical jokes about German restuarants without German food, how is the jagersnitzel, do they have Pilsen on tap - stuff like that. Plus one minor comment pointing out that islam's "growth" is due solely to exceptionally high birthrates (especially arabs).
So why the odd interest in us?
Oh! I got! What is it that islam wants - to be respected and/or feared. Now others will give you an argument - a debate - paragraphs of data and thought ....
GR will simply tell you to fuck off as I - and we will both laugh at you.
Imagine - muslims rising up and conquering all ... others would be angry at the thought - myself and GR would however just fall out of our chairs laughing.
And that folks is what muslims truly can't stand!!!
Thank you for grouping me with my good ol' friend greyrooster. Better company can not be found (unless its a good lookin' female of course - sorry GR).
Looking back in reflection - I notice that neither I nor greyrooster bothered to get particularly involved with this topic. A couple of line comments here and there - not much actually.
GR's few comments were essentially benign and short - He likes and respects Hindus and their culture and wishes them luck - that's about it.
Mine were almost exclusively a few short satirical jokes about German restuarants without German food, how is the jagersnitzel, do they have Pilsen on tap - stuff like that. Plus one minor comment pointing out that islam's "growth" is due solely to exceptionally high birthrates (especially arabs).
So why the odd interest in us?
Oh! I got! What is it that islam wants - to be respected and/or feared. Now others will give you an argument - a debate - paragraphs of data and thought ....
GR will simply tell you to fuck off as I - and we will both laugh at you.
Imagine - muslims rising up and conquering all ... others would be angry at the thought - myself and GR would however just fall out of our chairs laughing.
And that folks is what muslims truly can't stand!!!
Posted by: hondo at August 24, 2006 07:57 PM (XrexX)
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MR.KLOSS KADIR KHAN.
Please check out those links. I think it will give you a good insight on what the religion exactly is. i have read Yusuf ali's translation , and I know what it believes in. i have read parts of the Hadith and I know what it says.
And just because we do not " believe" in what you say or feel... please dont label us " INFIDELS". I know with all the laws of the shariat you are compelled to hate us.
And , stop practicing self-denial. There is enough proof and argument on this topic.But , then I cannot expect much from you because Muslims are known to be in a state of self -denial.That is how they mould facts and kill people by blowing up the plane , and then turn around INNOCENTLY and project the religion as a peace loving one.Go take a hike.
Your whole logic is based on two facts - :
a) You cannot accept that there is a problem with YOUR religion. Because if you do , you will have to take responsibility for the TERRORISTS actions.And actually get down to cleaning up the community.
b)If you are not one of those Mullahs sitting in afghanistan learning how to use a PC for a higher purpose....you are either Ignorant , and have no idea of what is happening around the world.For a start , please watch CNN , BBC. Would be helpful...it is only because of fools like you , who do not want to face the truth that fundamenalist forces are on the rise.YOU do not WANT TO BLAME THEM , JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT WANT TO ACCEPT THAT IT IS A DANGEROUS PROBLEM.
Like I said , I have felt the power and danger of terrorism in Mumbai. And I have been on your side of the see-saw, it is a nice place to be. But , please rememmber without knowing where you stay , I have seen more about this community thna you would ever have. It is nto based ona bias, it is based on how most of the people have behaved.
Please check out those links. I think it will give you a good insight on what the religion exactly is. i have read Yusuf ali's translation , and I know what it believes in. i have read parts of the Hadith and I know what it says.
And just because we do not " believe" in what you say or feel... please dont label us " INFIDELS". I know with all the laws of the shariat you are compelled to hate us.
And , stop practicing self-denial. There is enough proof and argument on this topic.But , then I cannot expect much from you because Muslims are known to be in a state of self -denial.That is how they mould facts and kill people by blowing up the plane , and then turn around INNOCENTLY and project the religion as a peace loving one.Go take a hike.
Your whole logic is based on two facts - :
a) You cannot accept that there is a problem with YOUR religion. Because if you do , you will have to take responsibility for the TERRORISTS actions.And actually get down to cleaning up the community.
b)If you are not one of those Mullahs sitting in afghanistan learning how to use a PC for a higher purpose....you are either Ignorant , and have no idea of what is happening around the world.For a start , please watch CNN , BBC. Would be helpful...it is only because of fools like you , who do not want to face the truth that fundamenalist forces are on the rise.YOU do not WANT TO BLAME THEM , JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT WANT TO ACCEPT THAT IT IS A DANGEROUS PROBLEM.
Like I said , I have felt the power and danger of terrorism in Mumbai. And I have been on your side of the see-saw, it is a nice place to be. But , please rememmber without knowing where you stay , I have seen more about this community thna you would ever have. It is nto based ona bias, it is based on how most of the people have behaved.
Posted by: snake at August 24, 2006 11:06 PM (z25F+)
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To correct my response earlier, i meant Greece joining EU not UN.
And for the record, I don't think Kloss is wrong. I do not think all Muslims are evil.
Radical Islam is one of the world's most serious threats, no doubt about it, but lets be objective here folks. They aren't the ONLY source of terrorism. The IRA has been brandished as terrorists. The Tamil Tigers have been, militiamen have, as well as random weirdo's like Timothy McVeigh.
Also, it is unfair to label ALL Muslims as terrorists (or even as sympathizers). I believe 70% of Muslims are radical in some form, either they sympathize (and donate funds towards) with terrorists, participate/support religious conversions, or are terrorists themselves. But I believe there to be about 3 out of 10 that are not radical. Of course this is in stark contrast to other religions, where maybe 70% of Hindus on the flip side are NOT radical, 70% of Christians are NOT radical. But it would be unfair to group people who are not terrorists or symphatizers with the rest of them. Did you know there are Muslim Americans fighting in Iraq? Some have been dismembered? Does that prove anything to some of you?
My approach to Muslims is with cautious skepticism. I think that their history warrants this. We have to keep an eye on them, where they locate their mosques, their reproduction rates, their practices of conversions, what they preach in the mosques, where they transfer money, do they keep arms, what sort of training/education do they go for. Sure, keep a larger watch on them than the rest of us, but lets not be judge, jury and executioner and call them guilty UNTIL proven innocent.
And for the record, I don't think Kloss is wrong. I do not think all Muslims are evil.
Radical Islam is one of the world's most serious threats, no doubt about it, but lets be objective here folks. They aren't the ONLY source of terrorism. The IRA has been brandished as terrorists. The Tamil Tigers have been, militiamen have, as well as random weirdo's like Timothy McVeigh.
Also, it is unfair to label ALL Muslims as terrorists (or even as sympathizers). I believe 70% of Muslims are radical in some form, either they sympathize (and donate funds towards) with terrorists, participate/support religious conversions, or are terrorists themselves. But I believe there to be about 3 out of 10 that are not radical. Of course this is in stark contrast to other religions, where maybe 70% of Hindus on the flip side are NOT radical, 70% of Christians are NOT radical. But it would be unfair to group people who are not terrorists or symphatizers with the rest of them. Did you know there are Muslim Americans fighting in Iraq? Some have been dismembered? Does that prove anything to some of you?
My approach to Muslims is with cautious skepticism. I think that their history warrants this. We have to keep an eye on them, where they locate their mosques, their reproduction rates, their practices of conversions, what they preach in the mosques, where they transfer money, do they keep arms, what sort of training/education do they go for. Sure, keep a larger watch on them than the rest of us, but lets not be judge, jury and executioner and call them guilty UNTIL proven innocent.
Posted by: DT2004 at August 25, 2006 08:45 AM (A8Hxo)
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All my comments are with respect to those 70%.I do respect a lot of muslims , like my president(I SALUTE HIM), members of the Indian cricket team etc.
But , my only problem is that IT(islamic terrorism) is on the rise.I can digest someone fighting for a reason, even though it is wrong , you can understand that they have done it because of (A), (B), (C) etc.The islamic terrorists do it without any reason.And , once they have killed people they give some stupid reason why they did it, which does not make any sense. And the community instead of condeming the incident are quick to "Save their ass" by calling it the religion of peace. And then make weird ass claims like there were 5 muslim who died in the attack(among the 200).It should be the prerogative of SMART , EDUCATED muslims with sound reasoning to help mould the community into a more modern one.Instead , of blaming the 5% hindus , christians, sikhs, government etc for the state of muslims they should look at why 70% muslims are sympathizers , terrorists or fundamentalists...
All I ask is to love your COUNTRY , and help in nation building.If they do that who will have a problem? INDIA has always listened to every who has an opinion be it Hindu /muslim/Jew/christian /sikh etc.And , if discrimination is the reason then it exists everywhere for everyone.There is no soul in this world who does not face discrimination or has not faced discrimination at some point in time.
If a Muslim can be like ABDUL KALAM(Indian president) , then there is still hope. I still "HOPE" that Muslims in INDIA pull out the poster of terrorists and start respecting intelligent people like KALAM and aspire to be like him.
See , my problem is why do the muslims need an ULEMA(cleric) , MULLAH , IMAM as their head? why can't they have people like Indian President solve the problems related with the community.It is high time some Intelligent person takes charge of this community , or else it will meet its fate.Prejudices will only grow , and then there will come a time when nothing can be done to save them .
So , I do not view them as all "BAD".But I view the teachings of the religion as dangerous. That is the difference. BIG DIFFERNCE BETWEEN A "DEVOUT MUSLIM" AND "AN INDIAN FIRST AND MUSLIM LATER".BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN " RELIGIOUS BROTHERHOOD" AND " NATIONAL UNITY.do you get my drift?
So , I respect anyone , who works hard , wants to live a good life without hurting anyone , and follow the rules of humanity. If you cannot do that then you will pay a price. So to every GOOD MUSLIM please stand and represent your community , I am sick and tired of seeing someone retarded indiviual who only talks about "HATING SOME COUNTRY", "KILLING SOMEONE " and "TEACHINGS OF KORAN".There is more to the " MUSLIM - HUMAN BEING" than his " OUTWARD AFFECTION FOR HIS RELIGION".
But , my only problem is that IT(islamic terrorism) is on the rise.I can digest someone fighting for a reason, even though it is wrong , you can understand that they have done it because of (A), (B), (C) etc.The islamic terrorists do it without any reason.And , once they have killed people they give some stupid reason why they did it, which does not make any sense. And the community instead of condeming the incident are quick to "Save their ass" by calling it the religion of peace. And then make weird ass claims like there were 5 muslim who died in the attack(among the 200).It should be the prerogative of SMART , EDUCATED muslims with sound reasoning to help mould the community into a more modern one.Instead , of blaming the 5% hindus , christians, sikhs, government etc for the state of muslims they should look at why 70% muslims are sympathizers , terrorists or fundamentalists...
All I ask is to love your COUNTRY , and help in nation building.If they do that who will have a problem? INDIA has always listened to every who has an opinion be it Hindu /muslim/Jew/christian /sikh etc.And , if discrimination is the reason then it exists everywhere for everyone.There is no soul in this world who does not face discrimination or has not faced discrimination at some point in time.
If a Muslim can be like ABDUL KALAM(Indian president) , then there is still hope. I still "HOPE" that Muslims in INDIA pull out the poster of terrorists and start respecting intelligent people like KALAM and aspire to be like him.
See , my problem is why do the muslims need an ULEMA(cleric) , MULLAH , IMAM as their head? why can't they have people like Indian President solve the problems related with the community.It is high time some Intelligent person takes charge of this community , or else it will meet its fate.Prejudices will only grow , and then there will come a time when nothing can be done to save them .
So , I do not view them as all "BAD".But I view the teachings of the religion as dangerous. That is the difference. BIG DIFFERNCE BETWEEN A "DEVOUT MUSLIM" AND "AN INDIAN FIRST AND MUSLIM LATER".BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN " RELIGIOUS BROTHERHOOD" AND " NATIONAL UNITY.do you get my drift?
So , I respect anyone , who works hard , wants to live a good life without hurting anyone , and follow the rules of humanity. If you cannot do that then you will pay a price. So to every GOOD MUSLIM please stand and represent your community , I am sick and tired of seeing someone retarded indiviual who only talks about "HATING SOME COUNTRY", "KILLING SOMEONE " and "TEACHINGS OF KORAN".There is more to the " MUSLIM - HUMAN BEING" than his " OUTWARD AFFECTION FOR HIS RELIGION".
Posted by: snake at August 25, 2006 09:50 AM (lCrSt)
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Hahaa Snake!
I have attacked the Islamic terrorists. I said I am at war with the Islamic terrorists. Read all my earlier posts before you say that I find no fault with Islam and Muslims.
Why is it so hard for you to believe that there are non-Muslims who can defend innocent Muslims? Decent people all over the world do this.
Again, I ask you Snake (and the others) if Islam the actual religion is so bent on the destruction and killing of others and if the silly "only 3 out of 10 are good" argument is correct --- prove it!
In today's day and age, if 70% of Muslims are potential terrorists, where are the results & consequences of that?
Muslims are everywhere, every corner of the globe, living AMONGST the people. Show us the proof, that these inherently evil teachings found in Islam will cause even 1% (just 1%) of Muslims to lash out and kill and hurt people in society.
Where is the proof?
Hahaa Snake!
I have attacked the Islamic terrorists. I said I am at war with the Islamic terrorists. Read all my earlier posts before you say that I find no fault with Islam and Muslims.
Why is it so hard for you to believe that there are non-Muslims who can defend innocent Muslims? Decent people all over the world do this.
Again, I ask you Snake (and the others) if Islam the actual religion is so bent on the destruction and killing of others and if the silly "only 3 out of 10 are good" argument is correct --- prove it!
In today's day and age, if 70% of Muslims are potential terrorists, where are the results & consequences of that?
Muslims are everywhere, every corner of the globe, living AMONGST the people. Show us the proof, that these inherently evil teachings found in Islam will cause even 1% (just 1%) of Muslims to lash out and kill and hurt people in society.
Where is the proof?
Posted by: Kloss at August 25, 2006 11:15 AM (LBfaS)
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You cannot help a blind man "SEE".The problem with opinions is it can get shitty , but you cannot SHIT without an asshole.
Posted by: snake at August 25, 2006 12:51 PM (ZiEd9)
Posted by: A at August 25, 2006 01:09 PM (ZiEd9)
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Just as I thought, no Proof. Plenty of hot air. But no proof.
Good luck guys with your thoughtful analysis, I hope it serves you well. It's been interesting.
Signing off,
-Kloss
Just as I thought, no Proof. Plenty of hot air. But no proof.
Good luck guys with your thoughtful analysis, I hope it serves you well. It's been interesting.
Signing off,
-Kloss
Posted by: Kloss at August 25, 2006 02:03 PM (LBfaS)
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Trying to argue with a narrow minded, stubborn individual who as a very, very skewed of human history will get me nowhere, so this is my last reply to you.
Meaning you can't refute my arguments, so you're going to make some snide remarks and ad hominem attacks, then flee the field, declaring victory.
Your 3rd grade U.S. history textbooks have not served you well, but that is the information you keep referring to,
Boy I called that one.
"Greece, the birthplace of democracy, Greece is considered "Western,", Western is democracy, Western is best." Thats the sum of your knowledge apparently.
You really gutted that strawman! Have at another...
Lets not even get into the fact that these textbooks take into account what is KNOWN, and by Western standards Greece is old, but there are older advanced civilizations -- and no, not just in India, mesopotamia, India, China, etc.
I never said there weren't, but you're attacking strawmen, so I'll leave you to your work.
What your 3rd grade western textbooks do not give due credit to, is the advancements, both socially as well as technologically, that served as stepping stones for Western civilization to advance upon.
Please enlighten us!
Where would the world be if there was no system of 0-9?
I'll give you "zero", but Rome did just fine without it, so I think overall, the concept of "nothing" hardly measures up to geometry or calculus.
or Metallurgy?
Copper was first smelted in Jordan, where it was found in depostits close to the surface. Exploitation of resources is a universal human trait, not culturally specific, though some cultures are better at it than others.
Copernicus, Da Vinci, Einstein, all "Western inventors and scientists" would be NO WHERE. So when you write that India has not contributed much to the world, you are wrong.
When did I say that? Oh, I'm sorry, you're still attacking strawmen. But please, tell me of the great non-European mathematicians, scientists, philosophers, etc., who have contributed to the making of our modern world...
And let me correct you on your asssertion that the "world" uses the U.S. system as a model. It doesn't. The British system is used in more countries.
Another strawman? You're on a roll today! I never said that, but you've never yet let intellectual honesty get in the way of a good argument, have you?
What atrocities occur in India? Do tell? Killing 2,000 muslims? Riots?
Don't pretend that India doesn't have regular riots in which dozens and sometimes hundred of people are injured and killed. It only takes a moment to find scores of stories of such. You're not only a liar; you're a bad one.
Wait until ANY ONE western country has an 18% Muslim population.
I'd rather not wait, but exterminate them now.
England has a much smaller amount, yet there have been several riots there.
Because that's what muslims do.
Lets talk about America. What about the several race riots in recent history?
What about them? Blacks who feel they have the right to steal and kill occasionally go on the rampage.
WHAT ABOUT SLAVERY?
What about it? When it was practiced, it was universal, but it was outlawed in all Western nations long ago, yet in Eastern countries, it's still fairly common, especially in Africa. Not only are you a hypocrite, you're also an idiot for presenting an argument so indefensible.
WHAT ABOUT THE NATIVE AMERICANS?
What about them? We did to them what the muslims did to your people, only we did a better job. Now they get free college tuition and a check from the government every month. What do you get from the muslims? Oh yeah, that's right - bombs on trains and the threat of nuclear annihilation. Moron.
Those are not atrocities committed by the West Improbulus Maximus?
No worse than anyone else's actions of the day, but then, that's got nothing to do with your strawman does it?
I make no mention of the Academy of Athens, why would I?
Because you were talking about the world's oldest learning instutions, dumbass.
You're the one saying that the West is superior and that India has not contributed anything, and I've proved you wrong.
No I didn't, and no you haven't; you've only attacked strawmen of your own making.
You sound like a sissy 3rd grader.
Oooh that really stings coming from an intellectual giant such as yourself. I bet you're the baddest dude in the call center!
I'm not saying the West has not contributed anything...
Actually, that was pretty much the sum of your argument.
...like I said, I do think that as you have mentioned, in the past 500 years they have.
How nice of you to acknowledge that just about everything that surrounds you is a product of Western civilization, if grudgingly so.
To which I stated that the period of enlightment in India was stunted with Muslim invasions, to which you do not respond.
But you went on about what the muslims contributed to India. Which was it? Did they stunt India or enrich it?
Nor are you give proper credit to the foundation that was set by the great Indian civilizations, upon which the West built itself.
So you're saying that everything the West accomplished, it did so because of India? Indian civilization brought about the rise of Greece and Rome? The Rennaisance? The Enlightenment? The Industrial Revolution? The Space Age? The internet?
I said you "depicted" things as being Peachy or Happy, not that you said it.
So you used a strawman. Boy, that's shocking.
Are you slow or something?
Apparently not slow enough for you to catch.
#1 The Turks besieged, BREIFLY, they never stayed on in large amounts. #2, the Ottoman empire has not been nearly as zealous of religious conversions as Arabs have, #3, if you look at the countries the Muslims invaded, most of them are poor by European standards: Russia (esp. Chechen area), Italy, Hungary, Greece. Greece barely made the U.N. the only thing that got Greece accepted was the thinking by Europeans that they are the "cornerstone of Western civilization." Otherwise, its a pretty poor country, as is Hungary, southern Italy, and Russia.
Yeah, and the poorer countries were the farthest from the epicenter of Western development, i.e. Western Europe.
When did I say or imply that white people are devils?
I didn't say you said it; are you slow or something?
Get a grip on reality and stop reading your 3rd grade public school textbooks.
Ooooh another zinger! Boy, it's too bad you couldn't have lived in Aristotle's or Cicero's time, because your superior Indian intellect would have stopped the development of the Western Canon in its tracks!
Meaning you can't refute my arguments, so you're going to make some snide remarks and ad hominem attacks, then flee the field, declaring victory.
Your 3rd grade U.S. history textbooks have not served you well, but that is the information you keep referring to,
Boy I called that one.
"Greece, the birthplace of democracy, Greece is considered "Western,", Western is democracy, Western is best." Thats the sum of your knowledge apparently.
You really gutted that strawman! Have at another...
Lets not even get into the fact that these textbooks take into account what is KNOWN, and by Western standards Greece is old, but there are older advanced civilizations -- and no, not just in India, mesopotamia, India, China, etc.
I never said there weren't, but you're attacking strawmen, so I'll leave you to your work.
What your 3rd grade western textbooks do not give due credit to, is the advancements, both socially as well as technologically, that served as stepping stones for Western civilization to advance upon.
Please enlighten us!
Where would the world be if there was no system of 0-9?
I'll give you "zero", but Rome did just fine without it, so I think overall, the concept of "nothing" hardly measures up to geometry or calculus.
or Metallurgy?
Copper was first smelted in Jordan, where it was found in depostits close to the surface. Exploitation of resources is a universal human trait, not culturally specific, though some cultures are better at it than others.
Copernicus, Da Vinci, Einstein, all "Western inventors and scientists" would be NO WHERE. So when you write that India has not contributed much to the world, you are wrong.
When did I say that? Oh, I'm sorry, you're still attacking strawmen. But please, tell me of the great non-European mathematicians, scientists, philosophers, etc., who have contributed to the making of our modern world...
And let me correct you on your asssertion that the "world" uses the U.S. system as a model. It doesn't. The British system is used in more countries.
Another strawman? You're on a roll today! I never said that, but you've never yet let intellectual honesty get in the way of a good argument, have you?
What atrocities occur in India? Do tell? Killing 2,000 muslims? Riots?
Don't pretend that India doesn't have regular riots in which dozens and sometimes hundred of people are injured and killed. It only takes a moment to find scores of stories of such. You're not only a liar; you're a bad one.
Wait until ANY ONE western country has an 18% Muslim population.
I'd rather not wait, but exterminate them now.
England has a much smaller amount, yet there have been several riots there.
Because that's what muslims do.
Lets talk about America. What about the several race riots in recent history?
What about them? Blacks who feel they have the right to steal and kill occasionally go on the rampage.
WHAT ABOUT SLAVERY?
What about it? When it was practiced, it was universal, but it was outlawed in all Western nations long ago, yet in Eastern countries, it's still fairly common, especially in Africa. Not only are you a hypocrite, you're also an idiot for presenting an argument so indefensible.
WHAT ABOUT THE NATIVE AMERICANS?
What about them? We did to them what the muslims did to your people, only we did a better job. Now they get free college tuition and a check from the government every month. What do you get from the muslims? Oh yeah, that's right - bombs on trains and the threat of nuclear annihilation. Moron.
Those are not atrocities committed by the West Improbulus Maximus?
No worse than anyone else's actions of the day, but then, that's got nothing to do with your strawman does it?
I make no mention of the Academy of Athens, why would I?
Because you were talking about the world's oldest learning instutions, dumbass.
You're the one saying that the West is superior and that India has not contributed anything, and I've proved you wrong.
No I didn't, and no you haven't; you've only attacked strawmen of your own making.
You sound like a sissy 3rd grader.
Oooh that really stings coming from an intellectual giant such as yourself. I bet you're the baddest dude in the call center!
I'm not saying the West has not contributed anything...
Actually, that was pretty much the sum of your argument.
...like I said, I do think that as you have mentioned, in the past 500 years they have.
How nice of you to acknowledge that just about everything that surrounds you is a product of Western civilization, if grudgingly so.
To which I stated that the period of enlightment in India was stunted with Muslim invasions, to which you do not respond.
But you went on about what the muslims contributed to India. Which was it? Did they stunt India or enrich it?
Nor are you give proper credit to the foundation that was set by the great Indian civilizations, upon which the West built itself.
So you're saying that everything the West accomplished, it did so because of India? Indian civilization brought about the rise of Greece and Rome? The Rennaisance? The Enlightenment? The Industrial Revolution? The Space Age? The internet?
I said you "depicted" things as being Peachy or Happy, not that you said it.
So you used a strawman. Boy, that's shocking.
Are you slow or something?
Apparently not slow enough for you to catch.
#1 The Turks besieged, BREIFLY, they never stayed on in large amounts. #2, the Ottoman empire has not been nearly as zealous of religious conversions as Arabs have, #3, if you look at the countries the Muslims invaded, most of them are poor by European standards: Russia (esp. Chechen area), Italy, Hungary, Greece. Greece barely made the U.N. the only thing that got Greece accepted was the thinking by Europeans that they are the "cornerstone of Western civilization." Otherwise, its a pretty poor country, as is Hungary, southern Italy, and Russia.
Yeah, and the poorer countries were the farthest from the epicenter of Western development, i.e. Western Europe.
When did I say or imply that white people are devils?
I didn't say you said it; are you slow or something?
Get a grip on reality and stop reading your 3rd grade public school textbooks.
Ooooh another zinger! Boy, it's too bad you couldn't have lived in Aristotle's or Cicero's time, because your superior Indian intellect would have stopped the development of the Western Canon in its tracks!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 25, 2006 03:16 PM (v3I+x)
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Maxie
Why do you bother with shitheads like this? You waste your talents on the likes of him! God Maxie! You gotta get another hobby just to relax a bit.
Why do you bother with shitheads like this? You waste your talents on the likes of him! God Maxie! You gotta get another hobby just to relax a bit.
Posted by: hondo at August 25, 2006 05:56 PM (XrexX)
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Hondo, it's like teaching a pig to sing, (meaning no offense to pigs, of course), but somebody has to try every now and then, just for the sake of amusement if nothing else.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 26, 2006 07:58 AM (v3I+x)
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106 comments and I still don't know what is on the Freakin' menu!
How in God's name did this topic earn so many "serious" comments!
How in God's name did this topic earn so many "serious" comments!
Posted by: hondo at August 26, 2006 11:35 AM (XrexX)
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Name changing of Hitler's Cross. Wonder if Star of David would fly? Or how about Auschwitz Station?
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at August 26, 2006 03:21 PM (gLMre)
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Better - but late - keep working at it.
Give you a heads up - start working on race-based material to coincide with Surviror's upcoming Battle Of the Races - it may yet be pulled from the Fall schedule.
Also - you definitely need more guidance reference satire and Theater of the Absurb - recommend checking out The Onion (google it) to get some ideas on organization & flow.
Give you a heads up - start working on race-based material to coincide with Surviror's upcoming Battle Of the Races - it may yet be pulled from the Fall schedule.
Also - you definitely need more guidance reference satire and Theater of the Absurb - recommend checking out The Onion (google it) to get some ideas on organization & flow.
Posted by: hondo at August 26, 2006 04:36 PM (XrexX)
July 22, 2006
WND: Why my website was banned in India
My first WorlNetDaily column is up!
Two days after the Mumbai bombings last week that killed more than 180, the government of India issued a directive banning 17 websites. These websites were singled out because, according to the Indian government, they might incite religious violence. The nine American websites banned by India are all critical of the Islamist movement. Not a single website of Islamic extremists justifying and even celebrating the Mumbai bombings has been banned......Read the rest.The very definition of tolerance is to allow that which we do not agree with. The moment Muslims demand that their governments punish those who say, write or depict things they find offensive, they reveal their intolerance.
So, the reaction of our websites was to make fun of this overreaction. Oddly, mocking the intolerant is now considered a form of intolerance by many in the world.
The specific reason for India's ban was that our reactions to the Quran-flushing story could cause religious violence. Since it was only websites deemed offensive to Muslims that were banned, we know precisely who it is that India fears.
Remember, India believes that we are the #2 biggest threat on the internet. We're dangerous, but Hezbollah isn't.
UPDATE: The more I think about being a columnist, the more I think maybe that turd-for-brains Ahmadinejad may be on to something about Armageddon.
Be wary of horsmen coming in fours, hidden imams being revealed, and be on the lookout for flying pigs.
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Never trust people with monkey skin and nasal whine.
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at July 22, 2006 02:27 PM (gLMre)
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Yes, I must say the banning of your website in India reeks of
dhimmitude on the one hand and sinister Muslim manipulations, and
perhaps even threats made by Muslims to the government of India on the
other.
dhimmitude on the one hand and sinister Muslim manipulations, and
perhaps even threats made by Muslims to the government of India on the
other.
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at July 22, 2006 02:39 PM (Bp6wV)
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Excellent!
Posted by: The All Seeing Eye at July 22, 2006 03:24 PM (2rYHy)
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Hey, an article in WND I can trust!
Posted by: Vinnie - Editor In Chief Pro Temporeâ„¢ at July 22, 2006 03:26 PM (/qy9A)
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Congratulations! You are now officially a WMD. Your invitation to join the United Nations and your check from the proceeds of the Oil-for-Food Program are in the mail. Please select the areas of international peace-creeping in which you are willing to participate:
1. Rape
2. Genocide
3. Condemning Israel
4. Support and cover for terrorist organizations
5. Blaming America
6. All the above
We, the conglomeration of the unfit and unwilling look forward to partnering with you in the continued destruction of world peace. We also thank India for bringing your potential to our attention, though this act of good will is not a guarantee of India's being invited to become a member of the Security Council due to their continued involvement in democracy. Chao!
1. Rape
2. Genocide
3. Condemning Israel
4. Support and cover for terrorist organizations
5. Blaming America
6. All the above
We, the conglomeration of the unfit and unwilling look forward to partnering with you in the continued destruction of world peace. We also thank India for bringing your potential to our attention, though this act of good will is not a guarantee of India's being invited to become a member of the Security Council due to their continued involvement in democracy. Chao!
Posted by: twolaneflash at July 22, 2006 03:31 PM (7i7w2)
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I think my blog is banned in Provincetown.
Posted by: V the K at July 22, 2006 03:40 PM (PYXzc)
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It is official now - India IS a Dhimmi state.
Posted by: RSK at July 22, 2006 03:56 PM (C36UR)
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It is official now - India IS a Dhimmi state.
Posted by: RSK at July 22, 2006 03:58 PM (C36UR)
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I told you so. The Indian MCIT document was dated two days after Bombay (Mumbai.)
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at July 22, 2006 04:14 PM (jwbRD)
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Rusty, sorry but I must get something off my chest.
Last gasp Larry, FUCK YOU!
OK, your post is interesting and this clears up some stuff for myself. I have been looking into this issue at:
http://thomhartmann.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4851097651/m/5711080851/r/1301023891#1301023891
Since the 18th when sunrise had questioned the censorship. After this I posted a bunch of articles from the Hindustan Newspaper at:
http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/Default.aspx
Registration required.
If you have time it might be worth is to see how they viewed this issue.
Keep up the great posts and hope you can be published again soon.
Last gasp Larry, FUCK YOU!
OK, your post is interesting and this clears up some stuff for myself. I have been looking into this issue at:
http://thomhartmann.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4851097651/m/5711080851/r/1301023891#1301023891
Since the 18th when sunrise had questioned the censorship. After this I posted a bunch of articles from the Hindustan Newspaper at:
http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/Default.aspx
Registration required.
If you have time it might be worth is to see how they viewed this issue.
Keep up the great posts and hope you can be published again soon.
Posted by: Ronald Rutherford at July 22, 2006 06:38 PM (6+2vB)
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India will be forced to confront these radicals in the very near future as they will see the weakness of the Indian response and up the ante. Look for a larger terrorist strike against India in the very near future.
I recently noticed on one or two of the terrorist websites, either ummah.com or one of the sites in England, that some were calling for jihad against India as well as the US and Israel. Get ready for a rough ride Indian people who are non-Muslim. You are in the line of fire and the weak response of your government is encouraging the terrorists and radicals to strike you again.
I recently noticed on one or two of the terrorist websites, either ummah.com or one of the sites in England, that some were calling for jihad against India as well as the US and Israel. Get ready for a rough ride Indian people who are non-Muslim. You are in the line of fire and the weak response of your government is encouraging the terrorists and radicals to strike you again.
Posted by: jesusland joe at July 22, 2006 07:14 PM (rUyw4)
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Good job Rusty. Hopefully this is the first of many.
Posted by: traderrob at July 22, 2006 07:16 PM (3al54)
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The ironic thing is that when it comes down to war in the streets, the dhimmified governments of the world will send in their troops to halt the popular resistance to jihad. Governments will fall, and We the People of every nation will have to put the pieces back together after we kick the muslim animals back under the rocks from whence they slithered. Muslims are incompatible with civilization, and governments are incompatible with liberty.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 22, 2006 07:19 PM (v3I+x)
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I've read that Jawa Report is not banned in Pakistan. Probably the only reason it isn't an issue there is because Islamists don't need a Hindu/Muslim wedge issue as a pretext to start rioting or take over the government. The establishment of Pakistan is not enough for them - all Muslims everywhere must have Muslim rulers.
Posted by: Islamic Thinker at July 22, 2006 07:39 PM (bn2zq)
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Come in here, dear boy, have a cigar.
You're gonna go far, fly high,
You're never gonna die, you're gonna make it if you try;they're gonna love you.
You're gonna go far, fly high,
You're never gonna die, you're gonna make it if you try;they're gonna love you.
Posted by: Darth Odie at July 22, 2006 08:43 PM (D3+20)
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With comments such as those by Wipe Ass Larry (very KKK) , not surprise you got banned. I do like to witness all that neo-con victimhood act you are putting on; Vey much in line with the rest of your neo-fasccist fellows.
Whinny little whimp.
Whinny little whimp.
Posted by: mighty7 at July 22, 2006 09:27 PM (qc/Hi)
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Speel chek iz ur frend, mytee7.
Posted by: Vinnie - Editor In Chief Pro Temporeâ„¢ at July 22, 2006 10:13 PM (/qy9A)
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Yes, mighty idiot, very tolerant of you to want someone banned for using their right to free speech. You are the typical dumb ass hypocritical liberal who is for free speech so long as it agrees with your worldview. You're as crazy as a run-over dog!
Posted by: jesusland joe at July 22, 2006 10:41 PM (rUyw4)
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at July 22, 2006 11:24 PM (gLMre)
Posted by: Randman at July 22, 2006 11:36 PM (Sal3J)
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Yeah! Good job Rusty, I wont say I told you so two years ago but see, its fun isnt it?
Posted by: jane at July 23, 2006 07:17 AM (ds0+e)
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If it weren't for my abject disdain for public displays of affection - especially the sort of which that could be described as "bad gay," I'd give you a big ol' smooch sqwar' on the lips.
Since such disdain does exist Rusty, please except my virtual handshake and pat on the back - for a job well done.
Since such disdain does exist Rusty, please except my virtual handshake and pat on the back - for a job well done.
Posted by: yo at July 23, 2006 08:57 AM (fkcf6)
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Al-Queda was behind the Mumbai attack, and it was not ordered by Mussaraf. Moreover, Mussaraf does not have that much control of his extremists. Pakistani children are taught viscious anti-hindu propaganda at school and this has been extended to anti US and Israeli propaganda.
I agree with Jesus land joe India is in the line of fire. This war on terror could last 50 years; this is probably a bit hard to take for some in the Indian government but putting ones head in the sand has never solved anything. The ban of websites reeks of cowardice.
I agree with Jesus land joe India is in the line of fire. This war on terror could last 50 years; this is probably a bit hard to take for some in the Indian government but putting ones head in the sand has never solved anything. The ban of websites reeks of cowardice.
Posted by: V Krishna at July 23, 2006 06:38 PM (gJkE2)
July 21, 2006
Blog Ban : Doing the Wrong Things Poorly
Indian blog Renegade of Junk shares the following thoughts:
Man, this really makes me squirm in embarassment. The Indian government is actually mispelling the websites it wishes to block, and as a result, blocking the wrong ones.A couple items down:
http://mypetjava.mu.nu : I don't know what the fuck this site is about. Looks like one of those technical geeky ones. More blockable, however, is this one, The Jawa Report , (http://mypetjawa.mu.nu) , also a hugely popular right-wing pro-Bush website. Notice the difference? jawa, versus java.If the Jawa Report is considered 'pro-Bush,' no wonder the Prez in in so much trouble. I'm not sure there are even words to describe Hugh Hewitt's level of W advocacy. Continuing:
And finally, http://thepirateco.us doesn't even fucking exist. Who the heck knows what this was supposed to be. Maybe someone in the government has an irrational fear of pirates. Or something.That was most likely supposed to be The Pirate's Cove (http://www.thepiratescove.us/). Finally:
Goddamnit, can't the Indian government even indulge in some freedom-curtailing and dictatorial authoritarianism without skewering its dignity in the process? How can one trust a government to pursue and catch the perpetrators of the Mumbai bomb blasts when it can't even bring its ludicrously wrong-headed policies to a successful conclusion? Christ, these clowns can't even do the wrong things right.I feel for ya, brother. I really do. I guess I'm expected to say something "pro-Bush" right now... let's see... hmmm... nothing coming to mind. Sorry.
Btw, props to the "Pajama Editors" for the heads up.
UPDATE: Indian blogger Shivam suggests the following act of civil disobedience:
You want to protest against this bout of internet censorship? I tell you what to do: copy-paste content from the objectionable sites on your blog and invite the DoT to block your blog. I’m planning to do that with Princess Kimberly very soon!A fine idea, but I'd suggest that you get the site owner's permission first.
My belated 'pro-Bush' comment: Ambassador John Bolton was a good call by W.
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What else to say but the (to)often used ROTFLOL!
Posted by: William Teach at July 21, 2006 04:08 PM (doAuV)
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Not too sure but I guess the confusion was something to do with the way they pronounce 'v' and 'w' in India. If someone was dictating then the writer would have heard My Pet Jawa become My Pet Java, The Pirates Cove become The Pirates Cow, etc.
lol
lol
Posted by: Tim at July 21, 2006 05:20 PM (1ZCT1)
Posted by: hadsil at July 21, 2006 06:13 PM (QTpM5)
July 20, 2006
Still Banned in India, Why It Still Matters, & How You Can Still Help
***sticky***scroll down for updates or latest news*** The Band of the Banned
India is still censoring this website. Apparently, India considers making fun of terrorists and their Islamist supporters more dangerous than the terrorists themselves. We are #2 on India's list of 17 websites that are being censored.
India reemphasized the ban today. Contrary to MSM reports, the only retreat was from the broader domain level ban, which was instituted by ISPs in India as a way to follow the directive to ban this and other websites.
You can see a copy of the document ordering us shut down in India here. The U.S. websites were banned because they are anti-Islamist in orientation. I am told that the other websites were either Hindu nationalists, advocated for the rights of the lower castes, or were anti-Communist in orientation.
How you can help
We ask that you write your Congressperson about India's actions against those of us on the web who fight the dangers of sharia, political Islam, and the institution of blasphemy laws.
You can contact the Indian Embassy here.
Also, we ask that you call in to local and national talk-radio shows so that this will begin to receive wider press.
Please read our original post Why The Jawa Report Was Banned in India and Why it Matters here. If you are a blogger, please link to that post to show your solidarity with the Band of the Banned. If you are a reader, please drop a comment into the comment section of that post.
We appreciate all of the support that we have been getting. This would not hurt if it were Pakistan or Saudi Arabia banning us. We have been longtime supporters of India and will continue to support India in spite of this slap in the face by her government.
*Exposing the Left (aka, OpiniPundit--called 'dangerous' in Indian press)
*The Pirate's Cove
*Merri Musings (Indian government banned her old website, now abandond--also, the lovely bride of The Jawa Report's Editor-in-Chief, Vinnie)
*Macker
*Princess Kimberly (now defunct)
*Editors in Pajamas
*Commonfolk Using Commonsense (their old website banned)
*My Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
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WOW!!! Defunct or not, I'm so honored to be banned!!! Hacked is one thing, banned is just righteously cool!!!
Posted by: Princess Kimberley at July 20, 2006 03:21 PM (hph70)
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Posted by: Editor at July 20, 2006 03:56 PM (adpJH)
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Pakistan IS banning you, as most blogs are banned there now and have been since Spring. You might be surprised to know that many Pakistanis would like to have the right to see your site, even if they don't agree with you. And now the Indian bloggers are talking to the Pakistani bloggers who have more experience in bypassing bans.
You do know, don't you that not only is YOUR blog blocked in India, almost all Indian blogs are blocked as well.
With a direct link to your website on the wiki that the Indian bloggers are using, you should get a lot of traffic. You should post up a nice welcome
You do know, don't you that not only is YOUR blog blocked in India, almost all Indian blogs are blocked as well.
With a direct link to your website on the wiki that the Indian bloggers are using, you should get a lot of traffic. You should post up a nice welcome
Posted by: Publia at July 20, 2006 04:51 PM (l++uZ)
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I just read about a dozen news articles (not blogs) suggesting that the "17 blogs" triggered the banning of all blogspot in India, because they didn't know how to ban individual blogs? So, you're telling me that we "The 17" are responsible for raining on a fuzzy blogger parade for millions of bloggers??? The one newspaper said that we were banned because we pit muslim against non muslim. You're damn right we did! There's a war raging with islam, or haven't you noticed?
Pakistan can just kiss my infidel ass.
Pakistan can just kiss my infidel ass.
Posted by: Princess Kimberley at July 20, 2006 05:26 PM (hph70)
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I would post a nice welcome if my defunt blog wasn't occupied by a Kenny Rogers loving muslim.
Posted by: Princess Kimberley at July 20, 2006 05:31 PM (hph70)
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Why couldn't we have been banned in Turkey instead? It would have saved alot of headache.
Posted by: Vinnieâ„¢ - Editor In Chief Pro Temporeâ„¢ at July 20, 2006 05:54 PM (/qy9A)
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Stop suggesting that anything I have to say is rooted in "neutrality" towards U.S. wars. How completely unserious can you be?
If you actually think that Al-Jazeera is one of our enemies then you are overtly taking a stand against liberty (once again). That position cannot be justified in any serious way. By your logic the likes of Helen Thomas or Amy Goodman of Democracy Now are "enemies" and legitimate targets.
Who would have thought that a former Watergate criminal and Goldwater Republican (John Dean) would now be making far more sense than you, and in so doing, popularizing a very useful literature on the authoritarian personality, which you have demonstrated in abundance since our last burger together.
If you actually think that Al-Jazeera is one of our enemies then you are overtly taking a stand against liberty (once again). That position cannot be justified in any serious way. By your logic the likes of Helen Thomas or Amy Goodman of Democracy Now are "enemies" and legitimate targets.
Who would have thought that a former Watergate criminal and Goldwater Republican (John Dean) would now be making far more sense than you, and in so doing, popularizing a very useful literature on the authoritarian personality, which you have demonstrated in abundance since our last burger together.
Posted by: Professor Peter von Nostrand at July 20, 2006 06:24 PM (Bwpq7)
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Indian Government is run by communist and dictators. Freedom of speech is supressed. Politicans are abusing freedom of common Indian.
Half of Indian cabinet is consist of criminals and some are even rapist. Person who had ordered ban is actually lead mafia in Tamil Nadu, he is also harrassing industralist and media. He is trying to gain full control of media.
India citizens are going through worst period.
Half of Indian cabinet is consist of criminals and some are even rapist. Person who had ordered ban is actually lead mafia in Tamil Nadu, he is also harrassing industralist and media. He is trying to gain full control of media.
India citizens are going through worst period.
Posted by: Radha at July 20, 2006 06:26 PM (6mUkl)
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Enough already about India/banning/Jawa!!!!
How many topic posts do we need on the same fuckin' subject! Am I the only one to believe all this has become obsessive? How much time can one spend essentially talking about ones self and patting each other on the back!
What is this - the jawa rap? We be bad uhuh uhuh we be bad ...
How many topic posts do we need on the same fuckin' subject! Am I the only one to believe all this has become obsessive? How much time can one spend essentially talking about ones self and patting each other on the back!
What is this - the jawa rap? We be bad uhuh uhuh we be bad ...
Posted by: hondo at July 20, 2006 06:49 PM (MVgHp)
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You must have missed my post from last night, hondo.
Posted by: Vinnie - Editor In Chief Pro Temporeâ„¢ at July 20, 2006 06:55 PM (/qy9A)
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Lighten up Hondo. As far as bloggers go this is about as big a deal as any will ever get. A day or so of Freudendschade is not only expected it's neccessary.
Posted by: traderrob at July 20, 2006 07:01 PM (3al54)
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Or is it Schadenfreude, who knows, 4 years of german and I don't know sh!t.
Posted by: traderrob at July 20, 2006 07:13 PM (3al54)
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Cut us some freakin slack Hondo.
Posted by: RS at July 20, 2006 07:22 PM (simOF)
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Rusty: Whats the big deal? We know that the Indian Government is merely pacifying the muslims in India.
India is slowly losing its identity to the muslim who threaten and riot and kill. Just please when the muslims are in charge don't the rest of you come here. Stay in your own countries.
Peter Von Nostril: You asshole.
India is slowly losing its identity to the muslim who threaten and riot and kill. Just please when the muslims are in charge don't the rest of you come here. Stay in your own countries.
Peter Von Nostril: You asshole.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 20, 2006 07:26 PM (QdgAo)
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Professor, eat shit and die, or die and forget the meal. Or leave this blog and never come back. I'll settle for the latter.
Posted by: jesusland joe at July 20, 2006 07:36 PM (rUyw4)
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I think the problem is many people leaving ignorant comments that are a bit harsh towards Islam. As you know, there has been a lot of sectarian violence in India. And I don't think they want radicals to get crazy and do some bad $hit. Greyrooster, it's not only the Muslims who are committing violent acts, the Hindu population has done some crazy stuff too. Jesusland Joe, he's right. Al-Jazeera has every right to show whatever they want. Denmark got to publish their cartoons and all of those neo-nazis and white supremacists in Europe and the US get to publish a lot of BS.
Posted by: Some Dude at July 20, 2006 07:45 PM (llVQM)
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The company this blog keeps speaks loudly and clearly. Rusty, you enable these freaking dorks every time you offer up a solemnly toned post on the evils of whatever.
At least they aren't out torturing some poor girl scout while they're leaving a comment... but I have my suspicions of how the rest of their spare time is spent.
Either way... you enable their hate.
Dude, you're like that old white supremist guy in American History X. You know, the one who eventually gets his ass kicked by Edward Norton.
At least they aren't out torturing some poor girl scout while they're leaving a comment... but I have my suspicions of how the rest of their spare time is spent.
Either way... you enable their hate.
Dude, you're like that old white supremist guy in American History X. You know, the one who eventually gets his ass kicked by Edward Norton.
Posted by: Professor Peter von Nostrand at July 20, 2006 07:54 PM (Bwpq7)
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Professor Van Nostrand I have come to the inescapable conclusion that you are a well spoken imbecile.
Posted by: traderrob at July 20, 2006 07:59 PM (3al54)
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Let's all remember this. Throwing a chair starts a riot. So let's just through chairs at the Indian embassies. I learned this from the Boondocks! It worked!
Posted by: Some Dude at July 20, 2006 08:02 PM (llVQM)
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I dunno I think if Hindus come around kicking muslim ass it says loads about muslims. Hindus are not going to just kill you becuase they don't like you. You have to need killing pretty bad for them to get that upset.
Posted by: Howie at July 20, 2006 08:10 PM (TDG1M)
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Professor, it is not hate I feel for you, but pure unadulterated disgust. And you, professor, would be the sorry son of a bitch who would protect the bastard that tortured a poor little girl. So STFU on that subject.
Afraid of the truth, huh, professor, so silence everyone who doesn't agree with you. Well, our days of silence are over, Peter, and you wackademics are pissed. HaHa! After we deal with the terrorists, Peter, you and your kind need to be removed from the public payroll.
Afraid of the truth, huh, professor, so silence everyone who doesn't agree with you. Well, our days of silence are over, Peter, and you wackademics are pissed. HaHa! After we deal with the terrorists, Peter, you and your kind need to be removed from the public payroll.
Posted by: jesusland joe at July 20, 2006 08:22 PM (rUyw4)
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Perfesser Nostril Von Turdburger IV is an admitted, unabashed supporter of muslim terroris and a piece of shit traitor who probably hopes that when the muslims take over he'll get to be one's manbitch. Rusty has truly questionable taste in friends.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 20, 2006 09:52 PM (v3I+x)
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Not to run down the bloggers, I enjoy reading the regulars and the chosen who have the keys but...I don't know man. I'm coming down with Hondo on this; India-Shiminda.I have my own problems and these people who govern India will not be able to keep a lid on free speech very long. Too much sizzle in this country, they will loose the war to impose the Professor's views on India.
My big concerns are a wife who wants to stay at home rather than work. I come home and my house looks like the neighborhood daycare? Of course, the parents of these kids are......WORKING!!!!! 3 kids in Privet school..... This whole India thing.... I can't help ya. Fighting wars on 3 fronts as it is.
The professor sounds like the guy who put the call into Rusty's interviewer when he was up for the dream job and let them know he was off plantation.
Your right Joe, India can try to put the genie back into the bottle, but the professor won't find many followers who want to ban free speech here. Get a better argument professor; you come off as pretty weak.
My big concerns are a wife who wants to stay at home rather than work. I come home and my house looks like the neighborhood daycare? Of course, the parents of these kids are......WORKING!!!!! 3 kids in Privet school..... This whole India thing.... I can't help ya. Fighting wars on 3 fronts as it is.
The professor sounds like the guy who put the call into Rusty's interviewer when he was up for the dream job and let them know he was off plantation.
Your right Joe, India can try to put the genie back into the bottle, but the professor won't find many followers who want to ban free speech here. Get a better argument professor; you come off as pretty weak.
Posted by: Brad at July 20, 2006 11:16 PM (6mUkl)
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I have one in private school, one in public school, and one in college. I know exactly what you mean, Brad. But shitheads like this professor get my dander up. Just who the hell does he think he is? And why does he think his opinion is something someone on this blog, or anywhere for that matter, would care about? Typical liberal asshole.
Posted by: jesusland joe at July 20, 2006 11:26 PM (rUyw4)
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Ya, after a bottle of red wind and some great grilled PORK!!(Really), beans and rice, The Prof. comes across as a jerk.
It's funny that they think Bush is Hitler, but calls to ban speech always come from the left.
I'll leave the rest to the brains here. Looks to me like he's getting his ass kicked real good.
Does he know Greyrooster went to Berkley? Probably thinks he's fencing with a Mississippi State C student, liberal prick that he is
It's funny that they think Bush is Hitler, but calls to ban speech always come from the left.
I'll leave the rest to the brains here. Looks to me like he's getting his ass kicked real good.
Does he know Greyrooster went to Berkley? Probably thinks he's fencing with a Mississippi State C student, liberal prick that he is
Posted by: Brad at July 20, 2006 11:43 PM (6mUkl)
Posted by: Pixy "142 Mexican Whooping Llamas" Misa at July 21, 2006 12:04 AM (FRalS)
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Posted by: Pixy at July 21, 2006 12:11 AM (FRalS)
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Perfessor nostrum:
If you actually think that Al Jazeera is one of our friends and a beacon of liberty and journalistic integrity, you are a moron. Of course, despite being a moron, you know full well that Al Jazeera is nothing but televised jihad propaganda. You disingenuously support any organization or individual that envies America's well earned place as the world's premiere country--no matter how vile those greenies may be. That position cannot be justified in any serious way. Only moral reprobates hate America. You're in good company with the "Honor"-killing, gang-rape advocates at Al Jazeera.
You yearn for an authoritarian socialist regime--the only kind of socialist regime possible. Your projection of authoritarianism on Rusty is hypocritical and transparent. I'm surprised you didn't call him a Nazi. You have to save something for your next impotent diatribe, I suppose.
Your constant attempts to draw moral equivalencies between muslims--the worst criminals in history--and civilized people is repulsive. Yeah, "white people" are the problem. A fictional character from a movie is more dangerous and depraved than the genocidal, racist, homophobic, misogynistic, xenophobic, slave raiding, cultural sociopaths of islam. Are you going to put a "fatwa" on Rusty?
You're beneath contempt. You typify the flabby intellect of the unprincipled, anti-American left--you must be so proud.
If you actually think that Al Jazeera is one of our friends and a beacon of liberty and journalistic integrity, you are a moron. Of course, despite being a moron, you know full well that Al Jazeera is nothing but televised jihad propaganda. You disingenuously support any organization or individual that envies America's well earned place as the world's premiere country--no matter how vile those greenies may be. That position cannot be justified in any serious way. Only moral reprobates hate America. You're in good company with the "Honor"-killing, gang-rape advocates at Al Jazeera.
You yearn for an authoritarian socialist regime--the only kind of socialist regime possible. Your projection of authoritarianism on Rusty is hypocritical and transparent. I'm surprised you didn't call him a Nazi. You have to save something for your next impotent diatribe, I suppose.
Your constant attempts to draw moral equivalencies between muslims--the worst criminals in history--and civilized people is repulsive. Yeah, "white people" are the problem. A fictional character from a movie is more dangerous and depraved than the genocidal, racist, homophobic, misogynistic, xenophobic, slave raiding, cultural sociopaths of islam. Are you going to put a "fatwa" on Rusty?
You're beneath contempt. You typify the flabby intellect of the unprincipled, anti-American left--you must be so proud.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at July 21, 2006 12:30 AM (jwbRD)
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Some Dude:
Hindus, Danes and Neo-Nazis do not: fly planes into buildings, decapitate construction workers on video, strap bombs to their own children and send them off to murder innocents, murder their own daughters, mothers, sisters wives and other female relatives for forgetting to wear their bodybag burkas, gang rape "infidel" women and boys, destroy their own countries, wipe their asses with their bare hands or smell worse than camels.
Yeah, whitey is the real cuase of the world's problems. White people are evil--except for the white people who make up the overwhelming majority of muslims, of course. They force muslims to follow the koran and commit atrocity after atrocity. They must be stopped.
What's the inspiration for your screen name? Your favorite dish?
Hindus, Danes and Neo-Nazis do not: fly planes into buildings, decapitate construction workers on video, strap bombs to their own children and send them off to murder innocents, murder their own daughters, mothers, sisters wives and other female relatives for forgetting to wear their bodybag burkas, gang rape "infidel" women and boys, destroy their own countries, wipe their asses with their bare hands or smell worse than camels.
Yeah, whitey is the real cuase of the world's problems. White people are evil--except for the white people who make up the overwhelming majority of muslims, of course. They force muslims to follow the koran and commit atrocity after atrocity. They must be stopped.
What's the inspiration for your screen name? Your favorite dish?
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at July 21, 2006 12:44 AM (jwbRD)
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Why is the domain registered in Nicaragua ? any reasons ?
Posted by: vic at July 21, 2006 12:50 AM (iSAUZ)
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Old comment system.
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Posted by: Pixy at July 21, 2006 01:28 AM (FRalS)
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Guys, you are lucky to be banned, that is from my perspective, for you got visibility, and you have nothing to lose in this case, these blogs are not about India. I would never have visited your blogs, but for the bans.
As to the reason of bans, it is confusing. Only one sight is not anti-left, and has good relations with leftists, though they are bit extreme . All others seem to contain some disagreement to the left, but these are so insignificant to the leftists. I hope they are as dumb to think these blogs are important enough to be banned. I would also like if some freak was trying out how it would be ban blogs.
Whatever, enjoy more traffic for few days.
As to the reason of bans, it is confusing. Only one sight is not anti-left, and has good relations with leftists, though they are bit extreme . All others seem to contain some disagreement to the left, but these are so insignificant to the leftists. I hope they are as dumb to think these blogs are important enough to be banned. I would also like if some freak was trying out how it would be ban blogs.
Whatever, enjoy more traffic for few days.
Posted by: From India at July 21, 2006 01:42 AM (G5whA)
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Don't sweat it, Rusty.
Almost all non-Muslims in India know what time it is and don't need My Pet Jawa to inform them of the horrors of Islamofacism.. they face it everyday. I even think the retards at SepiaMutiny know it but are just too PC-mindfucked/ BDS-suffering to admit it.
Glory in the increased publicity & traffic. Keep getting the truth out.
Thanks for keeping the rest of the world informed.
Almost all non-Muslims in India know what time it is and don't need My Pet Jawa to inform them of the horrors of Islamofacism.. they face it everyday. I even think the retards at SepiaMutiny know it but are just too PC-mindfucked/ BDS-suffering to admit it.
Glory in the increased publicity & traffic. Keep getting the truth out.
Thanks for keeping the rest of the world informed.
Posted by: Raj Malhotra at July 21, 2006 08:24 AM (s7Ian)
Posted by: William Teach at July 21, 2006 09:13 AM (IRsCk)
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I just discovered you guys - why the outrage about the India ban on criticizing radical Islam? Try it out here or in Denmark - the whole world is mortally scared of the terrorists,99% of whom are radical islamists! Ever since their prophet Mohammed proclaimed the moslem faith it was also a way of life and political system-they are inseparable and incompatible with democracy of any sort. Ever since the moslem countries invaded christian countries, converted their subjects to moslems, tortured at the stake, raped and kidnapped women and children to ever increase their territory and population. No wonder everybody is scared - we have a 500 years of recent history of the Ottoman Empire to remind us of it. And an abundance of naturalized moslem citizens in the western countries to enable takeover when they reach critical mass. Look what they are doing when they are only a small minority in those countries -they have more rights, including the right to impose on the majority their religion freedom and the defend of it - the Christianity is persecuted and mocked 24/7! Thank God for the democracy in our country that is soooo helpful to the terrorists in their gaining access thru unprotected borders,secret banking that enables their financing and secret deals with them for "strategis reasons"! You are right -what harm can a blog be? It is monitored everywhere, I am sure! But ban it? Yes, they must be scared, because the secret dealings could be exposed, political survival could be jepardized and the new financial-military-industrial complex of the new world government could collapse. But how do we live as equals with people who are ready to die for their beliefs, while all we want is uniterrupted oil supply and reality shows to go on into the summer? I've checked the history, it is not possible. Unless there is something I don't know, taking the high moral ground in foreign policy and appeasment/rewarding radical behavior and blackmail is not working. It will be tested in near future, when the historic"you are either with us or against us" will reveal that any moslem vows loyalty to their faith and the country of origin or broader moslem affiliation. Inability and unwillingness to assimilate in their adoptive countries is calculated and planned. I am not an optimist. But I am ready to fight for my beleifs.
Posted by: Jenny at July 21, 2006 10:10 AM (YKst3)
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Damn right, Jenny. You go, girl!
Posted by: jesusland joe at July 21, 2006 10:22 AM (rUyw4)
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You know, the thing that sucks is that none of those sites, including
the Jawa report, seem to be banned in Iran. We get tagged in India, but
not Iran.
I was playing with proxy IP's, checking India ones, yesterday, and ran
across a couple Iranian ones. All our sites worked a-ok. I know,
because I tried to do a refresh on the political forum I play on, and
got a blocked message.
the Jawa report, seem to be banned in Iran. We get tagged in India, but
not Iran.
I was playing with proxy IP's, checking India ones, yesterday, and ran
across a couple Iranian ones. All our sites worked a-ok. I know,
because I tried to do a refresh on the political forum I play on, and
got a blocked message.
Posted by: William Teach at July 21, 2006 10:40 AM (IRsCk)
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First of all, many Muslim terrorist groups are either a.)Leftist/Marxist(PFLP) b.) Wahhabi(al-Qaeda) c.)Khomeinist(Hizballah) or d.)Seperatist(BLA). Muslim invaders were in fact very tolerant of Christians. The Ottomans never destroyed any Christian relics in Constantinople. They let Christians practice freely but they had to pay a tax because they couldn't join the military. Can you name a single country that has a Muslim minority in power and has a bad human rights record? Democracy has worked in Muslim world. Turkey made that transition from a bureaucratic monarchy to a secular democracy. Bangladesh, a Muslim country, is a young democracy that is doing very well right now. Jordan held elections and are creating a parliamentary monarchy. And lastly, there is Pakistan. Democracy has been restroed. Elections were held in 2002 for parliament, and next year not only will people vote for parliament, but also for their president. It seems Musharraf has some confidence. If you go back to the beginning of Islam, after Muhammad(pbuh) died. The Muslim community took a vote to decide who would be his successor. Abu Bakr was chosen. It took Christianity 1800 years to establish it's first democratically elected government, and it has take Islam 1400 years to do so. Islam is coming into the modern world.
Posted by: Some Dude at July 21, 2006 11:48 AM (llVQM)
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Can you name one muzzie majority nation with a literacy rate above 80%?
Muzzies - haven't contributed anything recent to society... World's biggest leaches!
Muzzies - haven't contributed anything recent to society... World's biggest leaches!
Posted by: Barney Coppersmith at July 21, 2006 12:32 PM (2BOvC)
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Some Dude: You speak from an very ignorant position in regards to
Muslim "tolerance" of other religions. They had to pay a tax
because they couldn't join the military?
Wow.
And the rest of your statements totally ignore facts on the
ground. Large portions of these countries are lawless and either
law enforcement is afraid to enter those areas or the ones present are
part of the problem. And they've been that way for a long time -
democracy or not. For example, South Lebanon, Pakistan's border
with Afghanistan and Kashmir, Eastern Turkey, and the Muslim
Brotherhood in Jordan is quite influential. These are only a
few. Going through the superficial motions of giving the
appearance of being democratic isn't enough. Law must be imposed
and maintained. While even parts of Iraq are lawless, at least
something is being done about it.
Muslim "tolerance" of other religions. They had to pay a tax
because they couldn't join the military?
Wow.
And the rest of your statements totally ignore facts on the
ground. Large portions of these countries are lawless and either
law enforcement is afraid to enter those areas or the ones present are
part of the problem. And they've been that way for a long time -
democracy or not. For example, South Lebanon, Pakistan's border
with Afghanistan and Kashmir, Eastern Turkey, and the Muslim
Brotherhood in Jordan is quite influential. These are only a
few. Going through the superficial motions of giving the
appearance of being democratic isn't enough. Law must be imposed
and maintained. While even parts of Iraq are lawless, at least
something is being done about it.
Posted by: Oyster at July 21, 2006 12:41 PM (cJvIk)
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Someone purporting to post from India just posted on one of the "fatwad" blogs that Muslims form the single largest voting block in India! IS this true? If so, why the disputes between India and Pakistan over Muslim intrusion in Kasmir?
I thought Hindu's outnumbered Muslims by a WIDE MARGIN.
Also I wanted to e-mail the Indian government, but can't decipher that code (especially the third from the left symbol, or letter or number.
I really never thought I'd see the day that India would let Pakistan and Musims dictate what Indian bloggers can and cannot have access to the internet.
I thought Hindu's outnumbered Muslims by a WIDE MARGIN.
Also I wanted to e-mail the Indian government, but can't decipher that code (especially the third from the left symbol, or letter or number.
I really never thought I'd see the day that India would let Pakistan and Musims dictate what Indian bloggers can and cannot have access to the internet.
Posted by: realwest at July 21, 2006 01:42 PM (1EKDQ)
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i am a indian... and i think congress is not going to learn like this... they are the worst goverment indian ever have.... they just know to terrorize those... who stands against terror.
anyways 15 August is comming... indian independance day.... lets make a Slave prade... everyone should know how free india is after 50 yrs of independance...
anyways 15 August is comming... indian independance day.... lets make a Slave prade... everyone should know how free india is after 50 yrs of independance...
Posted by: Puneet Madaan at July 21, 2006 01:48 PM (Fha4E)
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I do not subscribe to Francis Fukuyama theory of cyclical history. I am more in favor of Samuel Huntington's theory of clash of civilizations... and we are witnesing one, augmented by the globalization and migration of unprecedented proportions... I cheered when Pakistan came to our side to root out the taliban,(that both US and Pakistan supported on September 10th), I thought there will be a change. I cheered when the Kurd people established a "democratic" self-rule and I will cheer any other moslem people who give up the Koran and the sharia as the base law, comparable to the US constitution. But the Koran is the political system prescribed and everything else is a blasphemy. Singing songs is. Graphic art is. Being of any different faith is. It is forbidden and punishable by death. Guess what: the millitant moslem minorities/majorities are doing it in Sudan, Ethiopia, Somalia,Indonesia etc., with impunity, as we speak. The refugees in those countries have their eyes upon the West, thinking if only the people over there knew, they will send help immediately. Alas, they don't know that it was happening in the heart of Europe, in the Balkans, from 1990-NOW, and the western liberal governments not only didnot help the christian refugees, but helped transfer 10,000 mujahedins (officially 2,000) from Afghanistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia etc., into Bosna, to destabilize Yugoslavia and weaken the Rusian influence - do you know what the americans gained by this: the 'untouchable" blind sheik was protected by the american government and let to operate freely on us soil, with a green card and masterminded the first 1993 bombing of the world towers, in exchange that the mujahedins in bosna will not attack us troops. Please go to Bosna and Sarajevo now and see what became of a secular christian/moslem community. You will see arabs, burkas, christians selling their estates to mujahedins under pressure, the same buying bosnian brides for european citizenship.... the first moslem country in europe and we have to thank clinton for it. What to say about Kosovo - where the albanian narco and people traficking -mafia and the same mujahedins,disguised as a KLA-kosovo liberation army, with a direct access to wesley clark's cell phone, hosted osama bin ladin in kosovo with a bosnian passport issued in vienna, austria in 1993? I guess we do not have to say nothing - just look at the devastation that radical islam on the move leaves behind - over 500 churches and monasteries dating from the 11th century are ruined, bombed and desacrated daily,as well as cemeteries, along with intimidation of the christian population into leaving... if they could do it in the heart of europe, does UK, Germany, France and Spain think that they will be contained in the Balkans? The destroying of the one thousand years Budha statues in Afghanistan went unpunished, so who cares about a few hundred churches under the protection of UN? What of the desacrating of graves - no big deal, but a cartoon of the moslem prophet is a huge deal!!! The same is happening today in Lebanon
Shame, shame, shame on everybody who succumbs to the fear that islamic radicalism projects. And what to say about the 'moderate'moslems, that, when given a chance to vote, they choose 'sharia' in 'democratic' afghanistan that I pay for, choose radical shias in democratic iraq, that I pay for and sent my sons to die for,choose hamas in gaza that I pay for, and hesbollah in lebanon.
No, Some dude, the grievances against the ottoman empire are not imaginary, they are recorded in the history of my predecessors, in folk songs and historical records, in the fact that monasteries were built in top of the mountains in unaccessible places from the fierce and merciless janichari and in the oral tradition from generation to generation-that I also render to my children, the truth of the brutalty of moslem occupation of my country of origin. Well, I will be damned if I let the moslems do the same to my new homeland - America. No tolerance for burkas, sharia law,mosques that spread hatred and produce marthyrs. The only option is: assimilate or convert. If they would like sharia law, the women in burka,public executions in the sport arenas, I would strongly suggest that they go back to the past, where they belong. Americans are trusting, tolerant and patient people, but very, very unplesant when crossed. So far, they have been crossed, but I see signs that they are waking up.
Alas, I am not an optimist. While we are blogging 24 hrs a day, they are making children, bombs or not, enough food or not and leave the blogging to their ayatollahs, who have planned all this for a few hundred years - oh, yes, we'll have to vote for a new goverment again (every 4 years vs. the radical islamic indoctrination continuity for centuries).
Shame, shame, shame on everybody who succumbs to the fear that islamic radicalism projects. And what to say about the 'moderate'moslems, that, when given a chance to vote, they choose 'sharia' in 'democratic' afghanistan that I pay for, choose radical shias in democratic iraq, that I pay for and sent my sons to die for,choose hamas in gaza that I pay for, and hesbollah in lebanon.
No, Some dude, the grievances against the ottoman empire are not imaginary, they are recorded in the history of my predecessors, in folk songs and historical records, in the fact that monasteries were built in top of the mountains in unaccessible places from the fierce and merciless janichari and in the oral tradition from generation to generation-that I also render to my children, the truth of the brutalty of moslem occupation of my country of origin. Well, I will be damned if I let the moslems do the same to my new homeland - America. No tolerance for burkas, sharia law,mosques that spread hatred and produce marthyrs. The only option is: assimilate or convert. If they would like sharia law, the women in burka,public executions in the sport arenas, I would strongly suggest that they go back to the past, where they belong. Americans are trusting, tolerant and patient people, but very, very unplesant when crossed. So far, they have been crossed, but I see signs that they are waking up.
Alas, I am not an optimist. While we are blogging 24 hrs a day, they are making children, bombs or not, enough food or not and leave the blogging to their ayatollahs, who have planned all this for a few hundred years - oh, yes, we'll have to vote for a new goverment again (every 4 years vs. the radical islamic indoctrination continuity for centuries).
Posted by: jenny at July 21, 2006 02:42 PM (YKst3)
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Jenny, I understand that some Muslims are just crazy people who follow Wahhabism. But Islam isn't a horrible religion at all. The Balkans are bad from what I understand, especially in Bosnia. But I have one question. Where's NATO? Aren't they around to protect people?
Yes, churches were burned down in the first few days of conquest, but churches were rebuilt and people could practice their religion.
The Quran doesn't forbid music. There was an article on BBC about Salman Ahmed, ex-frontman for Junoon, going to the NWFP. He asked all of the clerics where in the Quran it said that music is forbidden. None of them could give an answer. Many artists are on the rise in Muslim countries. Pakistan is a very good example. In the NWFP, art is banned by the ruling MMA(Those hypocritical bastards! They hire artists to paint them!) along with music. But recently the MMA is losing ground, and Pakistani arts are on the rise. Also, in the UAE there are a lot of bands playing like Streben, Karavan, and Aatish. Visit www.umrevolution.com and you'll get a sense of Rock music in Pakistan, and the UAE(Many bands from the UAE are being signed in Pakistan because of the growing Rock scene). More and more Gulf States are walking away from their Wahhabi past. For the past 90 years, the US and Europe has supported Wahhabi governments. Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Bahrain, UAE, etc. But finally the US has opened its eyes and has called for reform. But the US still supports the Wahhabi giant, Saudi Arabia. Three factors have made the Muslim world a backwards place. The Ottoman empire's lack of reform. European colonialism. And last but not least, Western support of Wahhabi states and terrorist groups.
Yes, churches were burned down in the first few days of conquest, but churches were rebuilt and people could practice their religion.
The Quran doesn't forbid music. There was an article on BBC about Salman Ahmed, ex-frontman for Junoon, going to the NWFP. He asked all of the clerics where in the Quran it said that music is forbidden. None of them could give an answer. Many artists are on the rise in Muslim countries. Pakistan is a very good example. In the NWFP, art is banned by the ruling MMA(Those hypocritical bastards! They hire artists to paint them!) along with music. But recently the MMA is losing ground, and Pakistani arts are on the rise. Also, in the UAE there are a lot of bands playing like Streben, Karavan, and Aatish. Visit www.umrevolution.com and you'll get a sense of Rock music in Pakistan, and the UAE(Many bands from the UAE are being signed in Pakistan because of the growing Rock scene). More and more Gulf States are walking away from their Wahhabi past. For the past 90 years, the US and Europe has supported Wahhabi governments. Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Bahrain, UAE, etc. But finally the US has opened its eyes and has called for reform. But the US still supports the Wahhabi giant, Saudi Arabia. Three factors have made the Muslim world a backwards place. The Ottoman empire's lack of reform. European colonialism. And last but not least, Western support of Wahhabi states and terrorist groups.
Posted by: Some Dude at July 21, 2006 03:08 PM (llVQM)
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Some Dude:
You're a "taqiyah" spouting liar. Islam expressly commands its depraved followers to commit genocide against "infidels" at every opportunity--especially Jews. It commands plunder, rapine, deceit and cowardice. The "golden age of muslim tolerance" is a fable. The conquered people were treated worse than animals.
The Balkan muslims are the root cause of all conflict in that area, and responsible for the most atrocities.
The traditions of islam, the so called "hadiths" ban music. The traditions are as important to the paleolithic cultists of the moon god allah as the koran is.
Yes, the West and the Ottomans are responsible for islam's 1400 year history of uninterrupted barbarism. IDIOT. Nobody is going to believe your camel-shit.
Who's responsible for islam's colonialism?
Say hello to your friends in party of allah (hezbullah.) Oh wait. Most of them are dead now. Too bad. You stone age muslim cretins have biten off more than you can chew. The West--led by America--will bury you. Start praying.
You're a "taqiyah" spouting liar. Islam expressly commands its depraved followers to commit genocide against "infidels" at every opportunity--especially Jews. It commands plunder, rapine, deceit and cowardice. The "golden age of muslim tolerance" is a fable. The conquered people were treated worse than animals.
The Balkan muslims are the root cause of all conflict in that area, and responsible for the most atrocities.
The traditions of islam, the so called "hadiths" ban music. The traditions are as important to the paleolithic cultists of the moon god allah as the koran is.
Yes, the West and the Ottomans are responsible for islam's 1400 year history of uninterrupted barbarism. IDIOT. Nobody is going to believe your camel-shit.
Who's responsible for islam's colonialism?
Say hello to your friends in party of allah (hezbullah.) Oh wait. Most of them are dead now. Too bad. You stone age muslim cretins have biten off more than you can chew. The West--led by America--will bury you. Start praying.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at July 21, 2006 03:42 PM (jwbRD)
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Hello again Some Dude, jesusland joe and all others, I am glad for the good news from the moslem world, we need it. Not that I think that everybody should listen produce and adore rock music - the world will be a sad place if we could not exchange, with respect, our cultural past, including music and dance, poetry and philosophy, and yes, religious points of view, but also admit the truth of our past, regardless of how glorious or terrible it is, FROM TODAY'S PERSPECTIVE. But as we approach different cultures with curiosity and respectful tolerance, we are blasted for our "western ways" with fatwas, and to that matter everybody in the moslem world who disagree with the religious authorities - how can we help when you, yourselves do not rise against injustice or medieval rules or radicalism that sweeps the moslem countries more and more - it is not democracy that is on the rise, it is radicalism, and as a matter of survival it is answered by radicalism!
I do agree that the West is responsible for the current state of the affairs, not in minute detail, but for the long-standing, mistaken strategic support of the PLO and the criminal doings of Arafat, for the strategic support of the Taliban against the Russians, for breaking-up Yugoslavia and establishing the first islamic republic in Europe in Bosna, for the inability to recognize that the Cold War is over and we have to make Russia an ally (like we did with Japan and Germany after the WWII), for the continuous support of dictatorial regimes in the moslem countries.... if that is the price we paid for a continuous flow of oil or to preserve our way of life, we paid dearly on September 11.
On the other side,as much as I hate to admit it, some dictators are very desirable at the present, because if given the choice the people will revert to their ayatollahs and militias teachings and choose militant radical governments. It works every time. Because of persuasion and because of fear.It happened in Afghanistan, Palestine, Iraq, Iran, it will in Pakistan, Egypt and Turkey (although they are putting up a valiant fight for secularism/tolerance). Imagine elections in Saudi Arabia - they will surely elect bin Ladin! Soooo,
elections are not measurement of a democratic system, as it was proven recently. Lack of harassing dictatorship, lawless militia, corrupt business practices IS, but cannot be achieved overnight. We cannot right the historical injustices overnight and we cannot fight the whole world, neither should we.
As far as NATO's role in the balkan events from 1990-2000: they not only stood by when circa one million serbs left their homes in Croatia for good, but brought planes with weapons to Croatian airports, intended for the Bosnian moslems, while imposing a total embargo on the serb people (similar to let's say now Russia supplying weapons to Hezbollah, while UN imposes embargo on Israel); NATO sent military, CIA and paramilitary contractors to train the moslems, native and mujahedins from various moslem countries, on the territory of another moslem country Albania, and in bosna proper, NATO bombed Kosovo and warned the kosovo albanians to "stage a humanitarian disaster exodus" claimed as genocide, while promising everybody a green card to america or exodus to a western country! As we know it, it happened. And now we have circa 500,000 more moslems here, thanks to the political desicion of the clintons and albreight - guess who paid for their ticket to usa - the same saudi charity that was compromised in supporting hezbollah and alqaeda! While the christians overthere were and still are crying "uncle", the west (mis)calculated that it is better to betray few millions christians in favor of oil-rich moslem countries and to encircle Russia with unfriendly regimes(still going on!)
Dear Some dude, you are probably getting your news, like everybody else, from the world news sources.. alas, not only a few churches were destroyed in the beginning of the balkan wars, they are still being destroyed on a daily basis:
in Bosna, in Kosovo, in Macedonia, as a provocation of the emerging moslem minority, radicalized and sanctified by NATO and EU. I wish I knew more about Pakistan and India and their conflict , I mean firsthand reports. All I can offer is firsthand report of the Balkans. I will be glad to supply more shocking info to whoever is interested.
I do agree that the West is responsible for the current state of the affairs, not in minute detail, but for the long-standing, mistaken strategic support of the PLO and the criminal doings of Arafat, for the strategic support of the Taliban against the Russians, for breaking-up Yugoslavia and establishing the first islamic republic in Europe in Bosna, for the inability to recognize that the Cold War is over and we have to make Russia an ally (like we did with Japan and Germany after the WWII), for the continuous support of dictatorial regimes in the moslem countries.... if that is the price we paid for a continuous flow of oil or to preserve our way of life, we paid dearly on September 11.
On the other side,as much as I hate to admit it, some dictators are very desirable at the present, because if given the choice the people will revert to their ayatollahs and militias teachings and choose militant radical governments. It works every time. Because of persuasion and because of fear.It happened in Afghanistan, Palestine, Iraq, Iran, it will in Pakistan, Egypt and Turkey (although they are putting up a valiant fight for secularism/tolerance). Imagine elections in Saudi Arabia - they will surely elect bin Ladin! Soooo,
elections are not measurement of a democratic system, as it was proven recently. Lack of harassing dictatorship, lawless militia, corrupt business practices IS, but cannot be achieved overnight. We cannot right the historical injustices overnight and we cannot fight the whole world, neither should we.
As far as NATO's role in the balkan events from 1990-2000: they not only stood by when circa one million serbs left their homes in Croatia for good, but brought planes with weapons to Croatian airports, intended for the Bosnian moslems, while imposing a total embargo on the serb people (similar to let's say now Russia supplying weapons to Hezbollah, while UN imposes embargo on Israel); NATO sent military, CIA and paramilitary contractors to train the moslems, native and mujahedins from various moslem countries, on the territory of another moslem country Albania, and in bosna proper, NATO bombed Kosovo and warned the kosovo albanians to "stage a humanitarian disaster exodus" claimed as genocide, while promising everybody a green card to america or exodus to a western country! As we know it, it happened. And now we have circa 500,000 more moslems here, thanks to the political desicion of the clintons and albreight - guess who paid for their ticket to usa - the same saudi charity that was compromised in supporting hezbollah and alqaeda! While the christians overthere were and still are crying "uncle", the west (mis)calculated that it is better to betray few millions christians in favor of oil-rich moslem countries and to encircle Russia with unfriendly regimes(still going on!)
Dear Some dude, you are probably getting your news, like everybody else, from the world news sources.. alas, not only a few churches were destroyed in the beginning of the balkan wars, they are still being destroyed on a daily basis:
in Bosna, in Kosovo, in Macedonia, as a provocation of the emerging moslem minority, radicalized and sanctified by NATO and EU. I wish I knew more about Pakistan and India and their conflict , I mean firsthand reports. All I can offer is firsthand report of the Balkans. I will be glad to supply more shocking info to whoever is interested.
Posted by: Jenny at July 21, 2006 04:30 PM (YKst3)
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Jenny:
You're right about the West suicidally aiding and abetting jihadist thugs, especially the scum in the Balkans.
You're wrong about Russia, though. The Russian people have never forgiven America for winning the Cold War--a war their government started with its imperial designs. They think America turned them into a nation of gangsters and prostitutes. They did it to themselves, of course.
Things aren't as bad there as their hard-line ideologues claim. They can become a great nation if they make the effort. Cooperation with countries like America, japan, britain and Canada is the quickest way to prosperity. We already know what happens to countries that oppose the world's most successful countries unnecessarily. No more Soviet Union (Empire.)
Russia continues to rebuff American efforts at cooperation, instead choosing to form coalitions, alliances and informal blocs of other envious countries to hamper America wherever possible. Russia is more than a French style nuisance--its short-sighted actions are adding to world instability.
Yeltsin was able to get America to bend over backwards for him, with very little effort. The direct transfer of cash, goods and services from my country--much of it free--to his was enormous.Putin chooses to play on his people's envy, recalling the "good old days" of superpower status.
Russia needs to be receptive to closer relations with America for such relations to be possible.
You're right about the West suicidally aiding and abetting jihadist thugs, especially the scum in the Balkans.
You're wrong about Russia, though. The Russian people have never forgiven America for winning the Cold War--a war their government started with its imperial designs. They think America turned them into a nation of gangsters and prostitutes. They did it to themselves, of course.
Things aren't as bad there as their hard-line ideologues claim. They can become a great nation if they make the effort. Cooperation with countries like America, japan, britain and Canada is the quickest way to prosperity. We already know what happens to countries that oppose the world's most successful countries unnecessarily. No more Soviet Union (Empire.)
Russia continues to rebuff American efforts at cooperation, instead choosing to form coalitions, alliances and informal blocs of other envious countries to hamper America wherever possible. Russia is more than a French style nuisance--its short-sighted actions are adding to world instability.
Yeltsin was able to get America to bend over backwards for him, with very little effort. The direct transfer of cash, goods and services from my country--much of it free--to his was enormous.Putin chooses to play on his people's envy, recalling the "good old days" of superpower status.
Russia needs to be receptive to closer relations with America for such relations to be possible.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at July 21, 2006 06:41 PM (jwbRD)
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Thank you jenny for reminding me of the collusion of Wesley Clark, Bill Clinton, and the stinking UN in the re-Islamization of the Balkans. I knew US support for the Muslims in Bosnia was a huge error, and would lead to further expansion of Islamism in the area. I also said on this blog a couple of weeks ago that Reagan made a huge mistake in supporting the mujahadeen in Afghanistan. How true that was. And other mistakes made include the lack of response to the embassy takeover in Iran, and the lackluster response to the Marine bombing in Beirut, and the mutilations in Somalia, and the embassy bombings in Africa, and the attack on the Khobar Towers, and the attack on the USS Cole, and the first World Trade Center bombing, and on and on.
Now we have reached the place where overwhelming force is needed to counter the threat from Islam, and what is our response? Let more of them come to the West, let them make their plans to destroy us, watch as the Left gets in bed with them, and twiddle our thumbs. Hell, I'm ready for some real action against these bastards, starting with the expulsion of them from the West. Most Muslims are not compatible with civilization once a certain percentage of population has been reached. I'm sorry, but this would be the best action at present to avoid conflict in our own country. If we don't do this, then get ready for bloodshed on a large scale right here in the US as the terrorists are preparing to hit us right where we live. And the terrorists are already here. You have a short window to prepare yourselves, so waste no more time.
Now we have reached the place where overwhelming force is needed to counter the threat from Islam, and what is our response? Let more of them come to the West, let them make their plans to destroy us, watch as the Left gets in bed with them, and twiddle our thumbs. Hell, I'm ready for some real action against these bastards, starting with the expulsion of them from the West. Most Muslims are not compatible with civilization once a certain percentage of population has been reached. I'm sorry, but this would be the best action at present to avoid conflict in our own country. If we don't do this, then get ready for bloodshed on a large scale right here in the US as the terrorists are preparing to hit us right where we live. And the terrorists are already here. You have a short window to prepare yourselves, so waste no more time.
Posted by: jesusland joe at July 21, 2006 07:15 PM (rUyw4)
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Keep up the good work!
Facts about terrorist Islam and Muslims:
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate
Facts about terrorist Islam and Muslims:
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate
Posted by: Jai Maharaj at July 21, 2006 07:33 PM (P4rWR)
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Jeff:
I agree 100% with the "Russian Analysis", especially that the russian hard line commies (not the people) will not willingly admit their defeat in the cold war. On the other hand, they have no defense in tolerating almost 50 million dead and disappeared countrymen during their reign from 1917-1990! Unprecedented!!! And never to be repeated. However, there is always however, the millions of Russians, excluding all the moslem countries newly formed after the collapse of the soviet empire, excluding ukraine, latvia, lituania etc., born in the 80's and 90's and already of comprehending and voting age had nothing to do with their commie parents and their sins, mostly and they deserve a second chance, especially that they are not radically indoctrinated by a religious or ideological beleif
Their parents on the other hand remember very well when they were sent to chechnya and afghanistan and their fellow soldiers were skinned alive, buried alive or killed themselves not to fall into the barbaric hands of the mujahedins. Where was the outcry then? The entire world press, where most people get their info from and the human rights elite was crying for the chechnyans'rights being abused. IT IS THAT DOUBLE STANDARD AND INABILITY TO ADMIT PAST MISTAKES IN THE CASE OF CHECHNYA, AFGHANISTAN, BOSNA, KOSOVO THAT DISABLES US TO SUCCESSFULLY PREVENT SIMILAR CATASTROPHIES IN SUDAN, DARFUR, CONGO, ETHIOPIA ETC.ETC.... AND IT IS THE LIBERAL POLITICAL CORRECTNESS AND EGALITARIANISM THAT COULD BE OUR DEMISE...
Communism was an anathema, but it is over as a system (I am not counting the Cuba, Venezuela and alike as real threat)and we have to carefully re-examine what the real threat is right now and form alliances accordingly.
WHO ARE OUR NATURAL ALLIES? DEFINITELY NOT ALL THE PRESENT ONES. The times of quiet and delayed diplomacy that justified choosing alliances as your present interests dictate and correcting your actions as couriers arrived and information changed relied on that delayed information, misinformation and confusion, so yeah yesterday we were with you, but today we are not! Not anymore, when the world is unfolding in front of you, in real-time pictures. TEMPORARY SOLUTIONS ARE INTERPRETED AS WEAKNESS OR LACK OF REAL PERSUASION AND ONLY DELAY THE INEVITABLE CONFRONTATION. It is time to plan for the future and CHOOSE YOUR ALLIES FOR THE LONG RUN, SINCE THE ADVERSARIES HAVE MAPPED THEIR BATTLE FOR THE LONG RUN.
(I am really not that gloomy in real life.Over & out).
I agree 100% with the "Russian Analysis", especially that the russian hard line commies (not the people) will not willingly admit their defeat in the cold war. On the other hand, they have no defense in tolerating almost 50 million dead and disappeared countrymen during their reign from 1917-1990! Unprecedented!!! And never to be repeated. However, there is always however, the millions of Russians, excluding all the moslem countries newly formed after the collapse of the soviet empire, excluding ukraine, latvia, lituania etc., born in the 80's and 90's and already of comprehending and voting age had nothing to do with their commie parents and their sins, mostly and they deserve a second chance, especially that they are not radically indoctrinated by a religious or ideological beleif
Their parents on the other hand remember very well when they were sent to chechnya and afghanistan and their fellow soldiers were skinned alive, buried alive or killed themselves not to fall into the barbaric hands of the mujahedins. Where was the outcry then? The entire world press, where most people get their info from and the human rights elite was crying for the chechnyans'rights being abused. IT IS THAT DOUBLE STANDARD AND INABILITY TO ADMIT PAST MISTAKES IN THE CASE OF CHECHNYA, AFGHANISTAN, BOSNA, KOSOVO THAT DISABLES US TO SUCCESSFULLY PREVENT SIMILAR CATASTROPHIES IN SUDAN, DARFUR, CONGO, ETHIOPIA ETC.ETC.... AND IT IS THE LIBERAL POLITICAL CORRECTNESS AND EGALITARIANISM THAT COULD BE OUR DEMISE...
Communism was an anathema, but it is over as a system (I am not counting the Cuba, Venezuela and alike as real threat)and we have to carefully re-examine what the real threat is right now and form alliances accordingly.
WHO ARE OUR NATURAL ALLIES? DEFINITELY NOT ALL THE PRESENT ONES. The times of quiet and delayed diplomacy that justified choosing alliances as your present interests dictate and correcting your actions as couriers arrived and information changed relied on that delayed information, misinformation and confusion, so yeah yesterday we were with you, but today we are not! Not anymore, when the world is unfolding in front of you, in real-time pictures. TEMPORARY SOLUTIONS ARE INTERPRETED AS WEAKNESS OR LACK OF REAL PERSUASION AND ONLY DELAY THE INEVITABLE CONFRONTATION. It is time to plan for the future and CHOOSE YOUR ALLIES FOR THE LONG RUN, SINCE THE ADVERSARIES HAVE MAPPED THEIR BATTLE FOR THE LONG RUN.
(I am really not that gloomy in real life.Over & out).
Posted by: Jenny at July 21, 2006 07:42 PM (YKst3)
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Jesusland joe:
We have the power to blog and to vote. Let's use it. If we were illegal aliens, we would have had two additional powers; to demonstrate, leave work and school and block traffic on taxpayers' expense and secondly, the support of a foreign entity, oh like a state, or terrorist organization or leftist organization supported and paid for by Soros, the Ford Foundation or the more sinister ones, hiding behind three thousand existing organizations for and against everything.
But we do have one unique power as Americans, as long as we exert pressure on our representatives to put pressure on the mystical State Department:
to limit and choose who enters and is given THE PRIVILEGE to be a citizen of USA! All those critics and america's haters will give everything on earth to live here! Try to close the embassies and consulates to foreign visas, you will see what desperation is. I know what people do to get here. The sinister ones though are tougher to discover - they are trained to be deceitful (sleeper cells) and are hard to detect - it could be your neighbor, your friend, your co-worker! The answer is - pick and choose, trust but verify, no more of that B.S. of political correctness, "racial profiling is wrong" and similar B.S.
LET OUR VOICE BE HEARD IN THE NEXT ELECTIONS.
We have the power to blog and to vote. Let's use it. If we were illegal aliens, we would have had two additional powers; to demonstrate, leave work and school and block traffic on taxpayers' expense and secondly, the support of a foreign entity, oh like a state, or terrorist organization or leftist organization supported and paid for by Soros, the Ford Foundation or the more sinister ones, hiding behind three thousand existing organizations for and against everything.
But we do have one unique power as Americans, as long as we exert pressure on our representatives to put pressure on the mystical State Department:
to limit and choose who enters and is given THE PRIVILEGE to be a citizen of USA! All those critics and america's haters will give everything on earth to live here! Try to close the embassies and consulates to foreign visas, you will see what desperation is. I know what people do to get here. The sinister ones though are tougher to discover - they are trained to be deceitful (sleeper cells) and are hard to detect - it could be your neighbor, your friend, your co-worker! The answer is - pick and choose, trust but verify, no more of that B.S. of political correctness, "racial profiling is wrong" and similar B.S.
LET OUR VOICE BE HEARD IN THE NEXT ELECTIONS.
Posted by: jenny at July 21, 2006 08:15 PM (YKst3)
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Bargholz, you should shut the f**k up! Maybe this will help you!
http://muhammad.net/biblelp/index.htm
You are so ignorant! Islam is a continuation of Christianity and Judaism. The reason for all of these contradictions in the Quran is because it was compiled after his death by the Ummayads. many of the verses had to go through people who were around him. many mistakes could have been made for all we know. Ignorant f**ktard! If you can give me one line in the Quran that commands people to commit genocide against jews and Christains, then I will dismiss Islam as BS. And you are such a dumbass. For the first 100 years, up to Suleimans' reign, Islam was on top and was advanced in science, mathematics, art, and literature. After his reign, many of the Ottoman leaders were very bad and didn't know what to do. They wanted to hold onto power so they didn't introduce reforms and didn't care that they were losing territory to the Europeans. Secondly, after the fall of the Ottomans, Wahhabism and Pan-Arabism became huge. This is because Britain and France were supporting them in order to defeat the Ottomans. In 1979, the US and many other Western powers started to support mujahedin guerillas. But they were supporting the bad people. Instead of supporting the more moderate and nationalist groups like IRMA and JIA, they supported people like bin Laden and Mawlawi Mohammed Yunis Khalis.
Did you know that Pakistan and Iran have baseball teams? Pakistan is 5th best in Asia!
http://muhammad.net/biblelp/index.htm
You are so ignorant! Islam is a continuation of Christianity and Judaism. The reason for all of these contradictions in the Quran is because it was compiled after his death by the Ummayads. many of the verses had to go through people who were around him. many mistakes could have been made for all we know. Ignorant f**ktard! If you can give me one line in the Quran that commands people to commit genocide against jews and Christains, then I will dismiss Islam as BS. And you are such a dumbass. For the first 100 years, up to Suleimans' reign, Islam was on top and was advanced in science, mathematics, art, and literature. After his reign, many of the Ottoman leaders were very bad and didn't know what to do. They wanted to hold onto power so they didn't introduce reforms and didn't care that they were losing territory to the Europeans. Secondly, after the fall of the Ottomans, Wahhabism and Pan-Arabism became huge. This is because Britain and France were supporting them in order to defeat the Ottomans. In 1979, the US and many other Western powers started to support mujahedin guerillas. But they were supporting the bad people. Instead of supporting the more moderate and nationalist groups like IRMA and JIA, they supported people like bin Laden and Mawlawi Mohammed Yunis Khalis.
Did you know that Pakistan and Iran have baseball teams? Pakistan is 5th best in Asia!
Posted by: Some Dude at July 21, 2006 08:22 PM (llVQM)
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Some Dude:
You convinced me that you are a moderate religious person. I wish there were more like you.
Baseball is not a prerequisite to be considered westernized. Nor should you aspire to be! As cricket is not a passport to British noble society, nor should it be. Those are all things of the past. Requirements for inclusion in the modern society are universal: LIVE AND LET LIVE!
Should I come to live in any moslem country, I should abide by local traditions and religious habits; however, there is always a however, that will be my choice. I do expect the same from foreigners coming to my country. No ifs and buts, assimilate or bust!
You convinced me that you are a moderate religious person. I wish there were more like you.
Baseball is not a prerequisite to be considered westernized. Nor should you aspire to be! As cricket is not a passport to British noble society, nor should it be. Those are all things of the past. Requirements for inclusion in the modern society are universal: LIVE AND LET LIVE!
Should I come to live in any moslem country, I should abide by local traditions and religious habits; however, there is always a however, that will be my choice. I do expect the same from foreigners coming to my country. No ifs and buts, assimilate or bust!
Posted by: Jenny at July 21, 2006 09:23 PM (YKst3)
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Suck Dudes:
PASSAGE 6: SURA 9:29
9:29 Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
PASSAGE 7: SURA 9:30, 31
9:30 And the Jews say: 'Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouths. They imitate the saying of the disbelievers of old. Allah's Curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth!
9:31 They (Jews and Christians) took their rabbis and their monks to be their lords besides Allah (by obeying them in things which they made lawful or unlawful according to their own desires without being ordered by Allah), and (they also took as their Lord) Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary), while they (Jews and Christians) were commanded [in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)) to worship none but One Ilâh (God - Allah) (none has the right to be worshipped but He). Praise and glory be to Him, (far above is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him)."
PASSAGE 8: SURA 9:123
9:123 O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who are the Al-Muttaqun (the pious - see V.2:2).
58:19 Shaitan (Satan) has overtaken them (the Jews). So he has made them forget the remembrance of Allah. They are the party of Shaitan (Satan). Verily, it is the party of Shaitan (Satan) that will be the losers!
4:76 Those who believe, fight in the Cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Taghut (Satan, etc.). So fight you against the friends of Shaitan (Satan); Ever feeble indeed is the plot of Shaitan (Satan).
98:6 Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islam, the Qur’an and Prophet Muhammad) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and Al-Mushrikun will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures.
5:51 O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliya' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliya' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliya', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah guides not those people who are the Zalimun (polytheists and wrongdoers and unjust).
ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers ...and let them find harshness in you. -Repentance: 123
Humiliate the non-Muslims. -Repentance: 29
Moslems are hard against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. -Victory: 25
Muhammad has been sent by God with the religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions. -Private Apartments: 28
"O believers, do not treat your fathers and brothers as your friends, if they prefer unbelief to belief, whosoever of you takes them for friends, they are evil-doers." (Repentance: 20)
"Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends.... whoso does that belongs not to God." (The House of Imram: 60)
"O believers, do not make friends with the Jews and Christians; whoso of you makes them his friend is one of them." (The Table: 55)
I could go on, but what's the point. The "hadiths' are even worse, and the actions of pedophile muhammed were the vilest in human history.
A word of advice. If you mentally retarded muslim inbreds expect to lie about your cult beliefs, don't write them down in a book. Westerners understand the unholy koran better than you do. Did you really think a group of lice-ridden savages were sophisticated enough to deceive the most advanced culture in history?
Judaism and Christianity don't worship a pagan, stone-age moon deity named "allah," nor do they preach death and destruction in EVERY SINGLE CHAPTER OF THEIR HOLY BOOKS. The unholy koran does.
The koran was written hundreds of yesrs after cowardly little muhammed's death. The earlist version was written 200 years after--the most quoted version was written even later? 500 years later? 800? How shit for brains stupid do you have to be to believe such nonsense?
The 'golden age of islam" is a fable told by envious little sand monkies. Islam was never the world's leading civilization. It can't even be considered a civilization. It represents 1400 years of unparalleled savagry. All of the scientific advances claimed bu islam were made by the conquered peoples--the so-called Dhimmies.
Did you really think you could get away with lying about your depraved cult and its despicable founder, muhammed? (Torture be upon him in hell.)
PASSAGE 6: SURA 9:29
9:29 Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
PASSAGE 7: SURA 9:30, 31
9:30 And the Jews say: 'Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouths. They imitate the saying of the disbelievers of old. Allah's Curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth!
9:31 They (Jews and Christians) took their rabbis and their monks to be their lords besides Allah (by obeying them in things which they made lawful or unlawful according to their own desires without being ordered by Allah), and (they also took as their Lord) Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary), while they (Jews and Christians) were commanded [in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)) to worship none but One Ilâh (God - Allah) (none has the right to be worshipped but He). Praise and glory be to Him, (far above is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him)."
PASSAGE 8: SURA 9:123
9:123 O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who are the Al-Muttaqun (the pious - see V.2:2).
58:19 Shaitan (Satan) has overtaken them (the Jews). So he has made them forget the remembrance of Allah. They are the party of Shaitan (Satan). Verily, it is the party of Shaitan (Satan) that will be the losers!
4:76 Those who believe, fight in the Cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Taghut (Satan, etc.). So fight you against the friends of Shaitan (Satan); Ever feeble indeed is the plot of Shaitan (Satan).
98:6 Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islam, the Qur’an and Prophet Muhammad) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and Al-Mushrikun will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures.
5:51 O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliya' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliya' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliya', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah guides not those people who are the Zalimun (polytheists and wrongdoers and unjust).
ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers ...and let them find harshness in you. -Repentance: 123
Humiliate the non-Muslims. -Repentance: 29
Moslems are hard against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. -Victory: 25
Muhammad has been sent by God with the religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions. -Private Apartments: 28
"O believers, do not treat your fathers and brothers as your friends, if they prefer unbelief to belief, whosoever of you takes them for friends, they are evil-doers." (Repentance: 20)
"Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends.... whoso does that belongs not to God." (The House of Imram: 60)
"O believers, do not make friends with the Jews and Christians; whoso of you makes them his friend is one of them." (The Table: 55)
I could go on, but what's the point. The "hadiths' are even worse, and the actions of pedophile muhammed were the vilest in human history.
A word of advice. If you mentally retarded muslim inbreds expect to lie about your cult beliefs, don't write them down in a book. Westerners understand the unholy koran better than you do. Did you really think a group of lice-ridden savages were sophisticated enough to deceive the most advanced culture in history?
Judaism and Christianity don't worship a pagan, stone-age moon deity named "allah," nor do they preach death and destruction in EVERY SINGLE CHAPTER OF THEIR HOLY BOOKS. The unholy koran does.
The koran was written hundreds of yesrs after cowardly little muhammed's death. The earlist version was written 200 years after--the most quoted version was written even later? 500 years later? 800? How shit for brains stupid do you have to be to believe such nonsense?
The 'golden age of islam" is a fable told by envious little sand monkies. Islam was never the world's leading civilization. It can't even be considered a civilization. It represents 1400 years of unparalleled savagry. All of the scientific advances claimed bu islam were made by the conquered peoples--the so-called Dhimmies.
Did you really think you could get away with lying about your depraved cult and its despicable founder, muhammed? (Torture be upon him in hell.)
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at July 22, 2006 01:02 AM (jwbRD)
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I have one thing to say about islam..they need a makeover. Israel is the only country who who knows how to give it. I dont think anything good can ever come from middle east
Posted by: kris at July 22, 2006 07:31 AM (7gnJZ)
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Many of those scriptures say either a)fight the Jews and Christians if they don't believe that Islam is true. or b)fight the polytheists or non-believers(Jews and Christians are believers)
58:19 explains this. When Muhammad was in Medina, one of the Jewish tribes betrayed him. So they locked themselves into the castle. So Muhammad destroyed the castle. Simple as that.
Allah is no moon god. If you were smart, you would know that Allah is arabic for God. They pray to the same God as Jews and Christians do.
Here's one more fact. The Quran was not made when Muhammad was around. It was made when the Ummayyads were in power. Around 50 years after his death. What they did was they would go to people who remembered his verses, confirm it, then put it in. Here's he problem. Some were put in when they were not supposed to, and some were left out.
58:19 explains this. When Muhammad was in Medina, one of the Jewish tribes betrayed him. So they locked themselves into the castle. So Muhammad destroyed the castle. Simple as that.
Allah is no moon god. If you were smart, you would know that Allah is arabic for God. They pray to the same God as Jews and Christians do.
Here's one more fact. The Quran was not made when Muhammad was around. It was made when the Ummayyads were in power. Around 50 years after his death. What they did was they would go to people who remembered his verses, confirm it, then put it in. Here's he problem. Some were put in when they were not supposed to, and some were left out.
Posted by: Some Dude at July 22, 2006 09:59 AM (llVQM)
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Suck Dudes:
So now it's O.K. for muslims to murder Jews and Christians if they don't worship the moon deity of islam. (According to "many" scriptures.) You seem to have changed your tune.
"Ignorant f**cktard! If you can give me one line in the quran that commands people to commit genocide against Jews and Christians, then I will dismiss islam as BS."
Time to keep your word, f**cktard. Dismiss away. I can help you convert to the world's largest, strongest, most advanced religion if you'd like. You know the one. It created the greatest civilization known to man, and the greatest country in that civilization--the country that outperforms all others with ease.
Muhammed betrayed the Jewish tribes and many others that he subsequently massacred--not the other way around. I can provide text from the koran that backs this up too, if that's what you want. You are interested in the truth, right?
The muslims worship a moon deity who has 3 daughters. Christians and Jews do not. Our God doesn't command genocide, pillage, rapine, ignorance and intolerance. The real God would never use a degenerate, insane, cowardly, lice-ridden, lying, thieving, murdering pedophile like muhammed as an example to mankind.
The earlist version of the unholy koran was written more than 200 years after little muhammed's death. According to your toerant "hadiths," his last words on his death bed were a curse aginst Jews and Christians.
If you could learn these basic facts from a "stupid, ignorant, dumbass f**cktard" like me, imagine what you could learn from a little research.
Of course, we both know that you're a jizyah, taqiyah spouting liar. You know as well as I do that the unholy koran is a terrorist manual. As a muslick, you have no honor or integrity, so you can't admit this.
Don't forget to dismiss islame as BS.
So now it's O.K. for muslims to murder Jews and Christians if they don't worship the moon deity of islam. (According to "many" scriptures.) You seem to have changed your tune.
"Ignorant f**cktard! If you can give me one line in the quran that commands people to commit genocide against Jews and Christians, then I will dismiss islam as BS."
Time to keep your word, f**cktard. Dismiss away. I can help you convert to the world's largest, strongest, most advanced religion if you'd like. You know the one. It created the greatest civilization known to man, and the greatest country in that civilization--the country that outperforms all others with ease.
Muhammed betrayed the Jewish tribes and many others that he subsequently massacred--not the other way around. I can provide text from the koran that backs this up too, if that's what you want. You are interested in the truth, right?
The muslims worship a moon deity who has 3 daughters. Christians and Jews do not. Our God doesn't command genocide, pillage, rapine, ignorance and intolerance. The real God would never use a degenerate, insane, cowardly, lice-ridden, lying, thieving, murdering pedophile like muhammed as an example to mankind.
The earlist version of the unholy koran was written more than 200 years after little muhammed's death. According to your toerant "hadiths," his last words on his death bed were a curse aginst Jews and Christians.
If you could learn these basic facts from a "stupid, ignorant, dumbass f**cktard" like me, imagine what you could learn from a little research.
Of course, we both know that you're a jizyah, taqiyah spouting liar. You know as well as I do that the unholy koran is a terrorist manual. As a muslick, you have no honor or integrity, so you can't admit this.
Don't forget to dismiss islame as BS.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at July 22, 2006 04:11 PM (jwbRD)
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Did we get an earful or what?
If i have to go back 1400 or 2000 or 30000 years to prove a stupid point, namely, mine is bigger than yours, than no wonder we cannot leave in peace... who cares? The ordinary people in the whole world want one and only one thing - to go about their dayly life in peace, to have enough food, clean water, medicine when sick, beads and sparkling stones to give their women, hear their baby's first words, become grandparents and give the learned wisdom to their children before they die... if I ever stop believing in the goodness and universal striving of the humanity I'd rather not live purposeless life......................
Well, it is not that simple, especially if a large chunk of the humanity is working tirelessly on the destruction of the rest who do not share their sacred beleifs.......
What will it take, a large asteroid to destroy the planet? Imagine the survivors arguing about
whose religion is better? Logics tells us that everybody will be working on their survival! Although the way things are now perhaps they will be arguing whose god destroyed the planet!!
Leaving the spiritual and philosophycal discussions aside, what are we to do to ensure that we will survive the current "animosities' (mildly put).
The entire world communtiy is anti-American anti-Semitic (partially thanks to the liberal democratic party, that will go to great lengths to criticise Bush no matter what and jeopardize national security to further its agenda and secure political survival!) No matter what we do, the perception is aganst us! We give zillions and zillions of dollars to the whole world and we are not appreciated. The minute we cut the aid, we are again the bad guys! If we give aid and we set conditons f.i. transparency, surrender your guns and shoulder mounted missiles, as we rightfully should, we are dictators! What are we to do? Many, many, many people that I know say: NUKE THEM AND START OVER! God help me I was one of them. And then I thought of the helpless women in burkas, who are not allowed to go in the street without male relative, even if it is their 10 year old brother, I thought of those women who are buried up to their heads and publicly stoned for "dishonoring" the family and it makes me sick! WE SHOULD DO EVERYTHING IN OUR MIGHT TO DEFEAT THE SICK, SICK BELEIF THAT ALLOWS SUCH INHUMANITY TO TAKE PLACE. WHATEVER IT TAKES.WE CAN. WE HAVE TO WEIGH THE 'COLLATERAL DAMAGE' AND RID THE WORLD OF THOSE DEMONS.
If i have to go back 1400 or 2000 or 30000 years to prove a stupid point, namely, mine is bigger than yours, than no wonder we cannot leave in peace... who cares? The ordinary people in the whole world want one and only one thing - to go about their dayly life in peace, to have enough food, clean water, medicine when sick, beads and sparkling stones to give their women, hear their baby's first words, become grandparents and give the learned wisdom to their children before they die... if I ever stop believing in the goodness and universal striving of the humanity I'd rather not live purposeless life......................
Well, it is not that simple, especially if a large chunk of the humanity is working tirelessly on the destruction of the rest who do not share their sacred beleifs.......
What will it take, a large asteroid to destroy the planet? Imagine the survivors arguing about
whose religion is better? Logics tells us that everybody will be working on their survival! Although the way things are now perhaps they will be arguing whose god destroyed the planet!!
Leaving the spiritual and philosophycal discussions aside, what are we to do to ensure that we will survive the current "animosities' (mildly put).
The entire world communtiy is anti-American anti-Semitic (partially thanks to the liberal democratic party, that will go to great lengths to criticise Bush no matter what and jeopardize national security to further its agenda and secure political survival!) No matter what we do, the perception is aganst us! We give zillions and zillions of dollars to the whole world and we are not appreciated. The minute we cut the aid, we are again the bad guys! If we give aid and we set conditons f.i. transparency, surrender your guns and shoulder mounted missiles, as we rightfully should, we are dictators! What are we to do? Many, many, many people that I know say: NUKE THEM AND START OVER! God help me I was one of them. And then I thought of the helpless women in burkas, who are not allowed to go in the street without male relative, even if it is their 10 year old brother, I thought of those women who are buried up to their heads and publicly stoned for "dishonoring" the family and it makes me sick! WE SHOULD DO EVERYTHING IN OUR MIGHT TO DEFEAT THE SICK, SICK BELEIF THAT ALLOWS SUCH INHUMANITY TO TAKE PLACE. WHATEVER IT TAKES.WE CAN. WE HAVE TO WEIGH THE 'COLLATERAL DAMAGE' AND RID THE WORLD OF THOSE DEMONS.
Posted by: jenny at July 22, 2006 10:36 PM (YKst3)
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So .... nuke them?
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at July 23, 2006 12:04 AM (gLMre)
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I tried to post this comment on
http://xx--bypass.mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/104428.php
(But unfortunately, it looks like there's some cgi-error.)
It's such an irony!
A hundred guys who hate each other, can still come together, and create something.
But unfortunately, I don't think any of co-creators will be proud, of whatever they have each contributed on this page. Really would anyone bookmark this page for their little daughters?
This is an extra-ordinary page where Christians, Jews, Muslims all came together to do the greatest disservice possible to Jesus, Moses, Mohammed and the rest of humanity.
And what's all this about?
A couple of really bad samples of 'photo-shopping' ??
And, if I don't find somebody's mother to be really beautiful, does it mean that, I can make fun of her, and claim protection under freedom of literary expression?
And if anybody does that, why should the rest of innocent fellow citizens, be killed?
And what would Allah, Jesus or Moses call those who defend such deaths?
This age I guess is witnessing the birth of "anti-creative".
Even bad ideas, literature can become well-known.
Play it loud enough & even noise will become an accepted genre of music.
Jingoism and strong rhetoric shall drown rationale.
Slaughter, and not tolerance shall be considered the hallmark of strength.
The statue of Liberty has become the icon of those who believe might is right.
Namaz is offered with hands dripping from blood of the innocent.
Prayers shall be offered to make a wish for death and destruction.
To prove that one's religion symbolises love and compassion for all mankind, people will spew words in anger and hate.
Sad. Very Sad.
Only the weak-minded people do things because they can, and not because they should.
The meek shall inherit the earth, but only after civilisation is replaced by cemetries.
I am an Indian, and I wish the government had not blocked this and other such sites.
But not so much because of my belief in liberty and freedom, which exists anyways.
I am sure that I am not a lone voice, and if more Indians could see that URL, I am sure somebody with a better sense of expression, may have expressed Indian perspective better.
http://xx--bypass.mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/104428.php
(But unfortunately, it looks like there's some cgi-error.)
It's such an irony!
A hundred guys who hate each other, can still come together, and create something.
But unfortunately, I don't think any of co-creators will be proud, of whatever they have each contributed on this page. Really would anyone bookmark this page for their little daughters?
This is an extra-ordinary page where Christians, Jews, Muslims all came together to do the greatest disservice possible to Jesus, Moses, Mohammed and the rest of humanity.
And what's all this about?
A couple of really bad samples of 'photo-shopping' ??
And, if I don't find somebody's mother to be really beautiful, does it mean that, I can make fun of her, and claim protection under freedom of literary expression?
And if anybody does that, why should the rest of innocent fellow citizens, be killed?
And what would Allah, Jesus or Moses call those who defend such deaths?
This age I guess is witnessing the birth of "anti-creative".
Even bad ideas, literature can become well-known.
Play it loud enough & even noise will become an accepted genre of music.
Jingoism and strong rhetoric shall drown rationale.
Slaughter, and not tolerance shall be considered the hallmark of strength.
The statue of Liberty has become the icon of those who believe might is right.
Namaz is offered with hands dripping from blood of the innocent.
Prayers shall be offered to make a wish for death and destruction.
To prove that one's religion symbolises love and compassion for all mankind, people will spew words in anger and hate.
Sad. Very Sad.
Only the weak-minded people do things because they can, and not because they should.
The meek shall inherit the earth, but only after civilisation is replaced by cemetries.
I am an Indian, and I wish the government had not blocked this and other such sites.
But not so much because of my belief in liberty and freedom, which exists anyways.
I am sure that I am not a lone voice, and if more Indians could see that URL, I am sure somebody with a better sense of expression, may have expressed Indian perspective better.
Posted by: Manish at July 23, 2006 01:50 PM (KOd+k)
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I've thought things over. I remember talking to a Muslim scholar. I asked him if Islamic liberalism applied to the Quran. He said it's how you interpret it. The Quran is very confusing. Many parts are metaphors. When they say fight, does it mean to pick up a sword and fight them? Or does it mean use words and non-violence? It sounds retarded, but hey! The Civil Rights Movement was a fight and they didn't take up arms and shoot people.
Posted by: Some Dude at July 23, 2006 06:36 PM (llVQM)
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wo-manish:
Like I wrote and you conveniently ignored--every chapter of the koran preaches death, destruction and eternal damnation on Christians, jews, and other non-muslims.EVERY SINGLE ONE. Photo-shopping, my ass.
Do you have a reading comprehension problem, or are you reality challenged. islam is'nt a peaceful religion hijacked by extremeists--it's an extremist cult embraced by genocidal fanatics. It does not share equal footing with real religuions. Christianity and Judaism don't preach daeth and destruction for ALL non believwers. Neither do Hinduism, Buddhism, Shinto, etc.
What would muhammed say? Who do yoy think dictated the koran, you unmitigated ignoramus? Muhammed was one of the most evil, despicable animals that ever lived. LIKE I WROTE, his personal actions were even worse than the koran's commandments. He was a backstabbing, genocidal rapist and pedophile.
You need to sart believing what you see, instead of seeing what you believe. Your fantasies about how you think the world works have no place in the real world.
Talk about a weak mind.
Like I wrote and you conveniently ignored--every chapter of the koran preaches death, destruction and eternal damnation on Christians, jews, and other non-muslims.EVERY SINGLE ONE. Photo-shopping, my ass.
Do you have a reading comprehension problem, or are you reality challenged. islam is'nt a peaceful religion hijacked by extremeists--it's an extremist cult embraced by genocidal fanatics. It does not share equal footing with real religuions. Christianity and Judaism don't preach daeth and destruction for ALL non believwers. Neither do Hinduism, Buddhism, Shinto, etc.
What would muhammed say? Who do yoy think dictated the koran, you unmitigated ignoramus? Muhammed was one of the most evil, despicable animals that ever lived. LIKE I WROTE, his personal actions were even worse than the koran's commandments. He was a backstabbing, genocidal rapist and pedophile.
You need to sart believing what you see, instead of seeing what you believe. Your fantasies about how you think the world works have no place in the real world.
Talk about a weak mind.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at July 23, 2006 08:20 PM (jwbRD)
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Jenny:
Religions come and go. The vast, vast majority of mankind's religions are extinct and long forgotten. They will never be recovered, nor should they.
Islam is just one more, and a particularly vile and destructive one at that. It will be expunged when the rest of us lose patience with its constant, innate, violence and hatred. There is no great war between islam and Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, or any other religion. Islam has been at war with everyone else for 1400 years, but they're so incompetent most Americans don't even believe they ARE at war with us.
It's a one sided conflict that will end when our tolerance ends. It's only the P.C. hyper-tolerance of the deluded masses in America that has allowed islam to last this long.
Check the quote on over-tolerance at the head of this blog. It sums up this situation neatly and succinctly.
Religions come and go. The vast, vast majority of mankind's religions are extinct and long forgotten. They will never be recovered, nor should they.
Islam is just one more, and a particularly vile and destructive one at that. It will be expunged when the rest of us lose patience with its constant, innate, violence and hatred. There is no great war between islam and Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, or any other religion. Islam has been at war with everyone else for 1400 years, but they're so incompetent most Americans don't even believe they ARE at war with us.
It's a one sided conflict that will end when our tolerance ends. It's only the P.C. hyper-tolerance of the deluded masses in America that has allowed islam to last this long.
Check the quote on over-tolerance at the head of this blog. It sums up this situation neatly and succinctly.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at July 23, 2006 08:28 PM (jwbRD)
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Suck Dudes:
Where's your denunciation of islam? I provided the koranic quotes you requested--the ones specifically calling for muslims to murder all Christians and jews. Why am I not surprised that you can't keep your word? What did you do instead? You defended muslim calls to genocide by stating that killing Jews and Christians is acceptable if A: They aren't muslims, or B: They aren't muslims. You're not only bloodthirsty, you're stupid as well.
You're either lying about talking to a muslim "Scholar" (a contradictory phrase,) or he counselled you to practice taqiyah (lying to "infidels" to hide the truth about your violent death cult.) Either way, you're a liar and an asshole.
No muslim "scholar" would claim the koran is metaphoric. They believe it's the direct word of their moon god, relayed through Muhammed.
You really are too fucking stupid to debate any further. Enjoy life in your Third World shithole. My dinner tonight probably cost more than you make in a month. I don't have to worry about food poisoning, either.
Where's your denunciation of islam? I provided the koranic quotes you requested--the ones specifically calling for muslims to murder all Christians and jews. Why am I not surprised that you can't keep your word? What did you do instead? You defended muslim calls to genocide by stating that killing Jews and Christians is acceptable if A: They aren't muslims, or B: They aren't muslims. You're not only bloodthirsty, you're stupid as well.
You're either lying about talking to a muslim "Scholar" (a contradictory phrase,) or he counselled you to practice taqiyah (lying to "infidels" to hide the truth about your violent death cult.) Either way, you're a liar and an asshole.
No muslim "scholar" would claim the koran is metaphoric. They believe it's the direct word of their moon god, relayed through Muhammed.
You really are too fucking stupid to debate any further. Enjoy life in your Third World shithole. My dinner tonight probably cost more than you make in a month. I don't have to worry about food poisoning, either.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at July 23, 2006 08:38 PM (jwbRD)
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India banned thousands of blogs last week while trying to block 17 blogs and Web sites that India's telecommunications department claimed spread religious hatred. After a government order issued July 13, Internet service providers cut off access to domain names instead of targeting specific sites. The order came after bombings that killed at least 182 people on Mumbai's commuter trains on July 11.
Bloggers from around the world expressed outrage and likened the government of the democratic country to China's dictatorship. CPJ said the Internet ban cut readers off from news and other important information. The group appealed to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to lift the ban.
"The Committee to Protect Journalists is troubled by the government's recent order to ban certain Web sites, an action that has resulted in blocked access to domains hosting many thousands of Web logs," CPJ executive director Joel Simon wrote.
"We urge you to lift the ban, which has disrupted the flow of news, information, and commentary in a medium of growing importance in India. We are concerned as well that the order was imposed with no official explanation and without judicial or independent review."
India's Deputy Consul General in New York, A.R. Ghanashyam told the South Asian Journalists Association that a computer emergency response team called for the ban. He said it targeted webpages with "extremely derogatory references to Islam and the holy prophet, which had the potential to inflame religious sensitivities in India and create serious law and order problems."
ISPs in India told reporters they received an order to block access to specific websites with no explanation about why those sites were listed. Bloggers and journalists in India said they were blocked from blogs hosted by blogspot.com, typepad.com and geocities.com.
Simon said the ban "impeded the flow of information, news and opinions during a time of national crisis."
"As a non-governmental organization dedicated to defending press freedom around the world, CPJ joins with our colleagues in India who have demanded greater transparency in state efforts to intervene in Internet content and access," he wrote. "Especially in a country like India, with a strong history of press freedom, any effort to limit or control the Internet should be subject to judicial or independent review and narrowly tailored to address urgent national security concerns. We urge Your Excellency to lift last week's ban and to clarify publicly all government's efforts to block Web sites and filter Internet content."
The Hindu has published the government order naming the originally banned blogs.
http://www.itnews.com.au/newsstory.aspx?CIaNID=35167
Bloggers from around the world expressed outrage and likened the government of the democratic country to China's dictatorship. CPJ said the Internet ban cut readers off from news and other important information. The group appealed to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to lift the ban.
"The Committee to Protect Journalists is troubled by the government's recent order to ban certain Web sites, an action that has resulted in blocked access to domains hosting many thousands of Web logs," CPJ executive director Joel Simon wrote.
"We urge you to lift the ban, which has disrupted the flow of news, information, and commentary in a medium of growing importance in India. We are concerned as well that the order was imposed with no official explanation and without judicial or independent review."
India's Deputy Consul General in New York, A.R. Ghanashyam told the South Asian Journalists Association that a computer emergency response team called for the ban. He said it targeted webpages with "extremely derogatory references to Islam and the holy prophet, which had the potential to inflame religious sensitivities in India and create serious law and order problems."
ISPs in India told reporters they received an order to block access to specific websites with no explanation about why those sites were listed. Bloggers and journalists in India said they were blocked from blogs hosted by blogspot.com, typepad.com and geocities.com.
Simon said the ban "impeded the flow of information, news and opinions during a time of national crisis."
"As a non-governmental organization dedicated to defending press freedom around the world, CPJ joins with our colleagues in India who have demanded greater transparency in state efforts to intervene in Internet content and access," he wrote. "Especially in a country like India, with a strong history of press freedom, any effort to limit or control the Internet should be subject to judicial or independent review and narrowly tailored to address urgent national security concerns. We urge Your Excellency to lift last week's ban and to clarify publicly all government's efforts to block Web sites and filter Internet content."
The Hindu has published the government order naming the originally banned blogs.
http://www.itnews.com.au/newsstory.aspx?CIaNID=35167
Posted by: Vinay at July 23, 2006 09:55 PM (cR3xj)
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Islam is vanishing, good riddance !
Terrorism is the violent spasms of a dying religion.
The Koran just embodies macho values from Arabia.
Look at the "profit"" Mohammed, he knew how to make a profit. He made up this bullshit story of how you goto some
whore-house heaven full of women and young boys if you die
fighting for him. Using this brainwashed army he managed
to secure treasure and women as sex slave.
Its hard for people in countries like Pakistan and Iran
to accept that they have been duped by a pedophile.
Then again pedophilia has been institutionalised, Khomeini
married an 11 year old girl and Iran a rich man can marry
a 9 year old. The biggest disgrace here is non-muslims that too scared to condemn this barbarity, hence the ban by the India government.
bande mataram
Terrorism is the violent spasms of a dying religion.
The Koran just embodies macho values from Arabia.
Look at the "profit"" Mohammed, he knew how to make a profit. He made up this bullshit story of how you goto some
whore-house heaven full of women and young boys if you die
fighting for him. Using this brainwashed army he managed
to secure treasure and women as sex slave.
Its hard for people in countries like Pakistan and Iran
to accept that they have been duped by a pedophile.
Then again pedophilia has been institutionalised, Khomeini
married an 11 year old girl and Iran a rich man can marry
a 9 year old. The biggest disgrace here is non-muslims that too scared to condemn this barbarity, hence the ban by the India government.
bande mataram
Posted by: good bye Islam at July 23, 2006 09:58 PM (gJkE2)
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Islam is spreading as oppose to vanishing.
At the time of his death the Prophet MOHAMMED (peace and blessing be upon him) had nothing in his possession.The opinions of yours just sparks the emotions of muslim nothing else and thats not the first time I have seen such a thing.If you think you are right then we can debate over it.
heaven is nothing like you have mentioned.
Muslims and non-muslims have existed for centuries together.Non-muslims under muslim governments have perished peacefully yet today there are some elements that are trying to fuel the emotions.
At the time of his death the Prophet MOHAMMED (peace and blessing be upon him) had nothing in his possession.The opinions of yours just sparks the emotions of muslim nothing else and thats not the first time I have seen such a thing.If you think you are right then we can debate over it.
heaven is nothing like you have mentioned.
Muslims and non-muslims have existed for centuries together.Non-muslims under muslim governments have perished peacefully yet today there are some elements that are trying to fuel the emotions.
Posted by: Usman at July 26, 2006 04:14 AM (e89uT)
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Islam is spreading as oppose to vanishing.
At the time of his death the Prophet MOHAMMED (peace and blessing be upon him) had nothing in his possession.The opinions of yours just sparks the emotions of muslim nothing else and thats not the first time I have seen such a thing.If you think you are right then we can debate over it.
heaven is nothing like you have mentioned.
Muslims and non-muslims have existed for centuries together.Non-muslims under muslim governments have perished peacefully yet today there are some elements that are trying to fuel the emotions.
At the time of his death the Prophet MOHAMMED (peace and blessing be upon him) had nothing in his possession.The opinions of yours just sparks the emotions of muslim nothing else and thats not the first time I have seen such a thing.If you think you are right then we can debate over it.
heaven is nothing like you have mentioned.
Muslims and non-muslims have existed for centuries together.Non-muslims under muslim governments have perished peacefully yet today there are some elements that are trying to fuel the emotions.
Posted by: Usman at July 26, 2006 04:15 AM (e89uT)
India Blog Ban NOT Over
Cross-posted from The Dread Pundit Bluto.
Though some have been reporting that the ban on blogs that print naughty things about Islamist terrorists has been lifted, in fact, the Indian government is threatening to punish ISPs for making the ban too broad. The ban was supposed to apply to 18 blogs identified as being disrespectful to Islam (i.e., blogs that oppose Islamist terrorism, like The Jawa Report). As initially enacted by the ISPs, the ban included all blogspot and typepad blogs, because some of the banned blogs used those services.
The latest from the Indian Department of Telecom (DoT) is a threat to punish ISPs for banning more than the eighteen blogs on the list. There is nothing indicating that they have come to their senses and realized that the ban itself is anti-democratic and moreover, actually boosts traffic to the blogs banned.
From an Indian Department of Telecom press release (emphasis added):
The Department of Telecom (DoT) has instructed all the Internet Service Providers (ISPs) in the country to block only the specified website/webpages on the parent website. The DoT, in its letter issued to all the ISPs has mentioned that it had come to notice that in some cases the parent website had been blocked in contravention to what was stated in its earlier order dated 13th July 2006 whereby it ordered the ISPs to block certain websites/webpages.The DoT should offer an explanation to the free world as to why India should not be considered a backward and repressive oligarchy, since the DoT has decided to restrict Indian citizens' freedom of speech and expression.As such the DoT has now directed all the ISPs to strictly comply with the order dated 13th July 2006 and provide unhindered access to Internet except for the websites/webpages which have been specifically mentioned in its orders issued from time to time.
The DoT has further sought explanation from the erring ISPs as to why action be not taken against them for blocking unintended websites/webpages.
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Bloggers Against Censorship
A group of Indian bloggers has formed in opposition to the blog ban by the Indian government:
Bloggers Against Censorship was set up to collate information about and influence opinion against the Indian Government's apparent notice to various ISPs to block various websites including blogs hosted on blogspot.com and typepad.com. All Yahoo! Geocities web sites have also been blocked by most Indian ISPs since July 1, 2006.There are many questions raised by these apparent acts of Internet Censorship. This effort is aimed at nothing less than ensuring the Government will never again do something like this. There should be no site or group of sites that they will ever again be able to block; in fact, there should be no book they will ban, no infringement on freedoms at all ever again. It is against our constitutional Right to Freedom of Speech and Expression as an Indian Citizen.
Indian bloggers have been ranting here.
My 'Dhimmi of the Day' award goes to this commenter on an Indian blog:
Most of the terrorist activities in present day India are the consequence of such right-wing pro-zionist hate mongering by right wing nutjobs resultng in the alienation and ghettoization of the muslim minority. I think the government's reasoning behind connecting the ban, to protect against terrorism, is absolutely correct, if anything the ban is too incomplete and easy to circumvent. It's easy for Americans to chide India on the ban, but they need to keep in mind these bans probably save lives by preventing riots and terrorism and by stopping recruitment by fanatics (both hindu and muslim).
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The dhimmi toady spews the same old threat: of enforcing censorship "to protect against terrorism" -- a cyberspace shakedown.
Posted by: Veritas Regina at July 20, 2006 09:29 AM (PC/QV)
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The commenter screed on the causes of Islamism is common on the Left, and in fact is one of the talking points I see quite frequently in Europe, and occasionally in the US.
The problem with this theory is that Islamism was here beginning in the 600s. Don't believe their were any "right wing nuts" on the internet at that time.
What we really have here is the attempted censorship of all efforts to identify and hold accountable these people who seek to destroy the civilized World.
The problem with this theory is that Islamism was here beginning in the 600s. Don't believe their were any "right wing nuts" on the internet at that time.
What we really have here is the attempted censorship of all efforts to identify and hold accountable these people who seek to destroy the civilized World.
Posted by: jesusland joe at July 20, 2006 10:17 AM (rUyw4)
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The true mark of a dhimmi is someone who likes censorship if it protects terrorists, but rants and raves about "bush wobbing all my fweedoms" if it protects us FROM terrorists.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at July 20, 2006 10:34 AM (8e/V4)
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all-seeing-eyeidot: Bullshit!
Posted by: greyrooster at July 20, 2006 11:40 AM (TLSvi)
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Did we forget to give Grampa Rooster his meds this morning?
Looks like his Tourette's is acting up again...
Looks like his Tourette's is acting up again...
Posted by: The All-Seeing Eye at July 20, 2006 11:47 AM (c/4ax)
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Regards your 'Dhimmi of the day', believe it or not, India has its share of nutjobs too. Just don't generalize it for the rest of the country.
Posted by: Patrix at July 20, 2006 01:58 PM (OvGKk)
July 18, 2006
Mumbai Bombing Update
A little known Islamist group is claiming responsibility and says it will release a video proving it’s involvement. The pattern matches al-Qaeda linked groups. So India may not be far off the mark in placing some blame with Pakistan where such groups are numerous. India may judge that Pakistan can do much more to stop the flow of Islamic terrorists and arms into Kashmir. A fair criticism I think.
Ireland Online:A little-known Islamic militant group that claimed responsibility for Mumbai’s train bombings warned of more attacks today, as investigators questioned Muslim preachers in India’s remote north-east about the blasts.India gets Love Mail too.The death toll in the July 11 attacks, meanwhile, rose to 207 from 182 when officials added people who died after being taken to hospitals in Thane, a town outside Mumbai.
“All of them are blast victims,†said BM Raut, a disaster management official in the state government of Maharashtra, where Mumbai is located.
...an outfit calling itself Lashkar-e-Qahhar said in an email to a local television station that 16 people took part in the bombings in Mumbai and that one was killed.Stay tuned, if said video becomes available we will bring it to you.But “all the remaining 15 … are totally safe, and celebrating the success of this mission and also preparing for the next mission,†said the email, written in poorly punctuated, often ungrammatical English.
In the email, Lashkar-e-Qahhar said it would soon address doubts about its earlier claim of responsibility by providing audio and video proof.
The group had first said it was behind the Mumbai bombings in an email to Aaj Tak on Saturday.
“We are surprised, why some media groups and peoples are disclaiming our responsibility?†the email said.
“Therefore it has become necessary for Lashkar-e-Qahhar to prove our claim,†it said. “Very soon, we will send you an audio/video tape regarding Mumbai blasts.â€
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Posted by: Leatherneck at July 18, 2006 06:42 PM (D2g/j)
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So if India is so willing to blame Pakistan then why don't they take up the offer of the Pakistani President on jointly investigating this murderous act? Here is a very good article that discusses the internal politics of these two countries:
Playing the "Get Pakistan" Car
http://www.courier-journal.com/apps...ION04/607180344
"The time has come for both India and Pakistan to mean what they say and say what they mean. If India has evidence that incriminates some Pakistanis or any Pakistani agency, it should present it to a panel to be appointed by a neutral international body such as the International Court of Justice and authorized by both India and Pakistan to interpret the evidence. This is the only judicious way that world opinion will be sure of the nature of this evidence. Both India and Pakistan have lost their ability to reach this interpretation separately or jointly."
Playing the "Get Pakistan" Car
http://www.courier-journal.com/apps...ION04/607180344
"The time has come for both India and Pakistan to mean what they say and say what they mean. If India has evidence that incriminates some Pakistanis or any Pakistani agency, it should present it to a panel to be appointed by a neutral international body such as the International Court of Justice and authorized by both India and Pakistan to interpret the evidence. This is the only judicious way that world opinion will be sure of the nature of this evidence. Both India and Pakistan have lost their ability to reach this interpretation separately or jointly."
Posted by: dice at July 18, 2006 07:46 PM (zqzYV)
July 17, 2006
Indian Govt. Blocking Blogs?
I'm a huge fan of the world's largest democracy, but government censorship of entire domains of blogs ain't my idea of "democracy".
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Please stop using democracy in place of liberty. Democracy is mob rule; nothing more, nothing less. Liberty is what you mean.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 18, 2006 06:10 AM (v3I+x)
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This is terrible news. It is a huge victory for the terrorists and I just hope the government quickly reverses itself. Don't the terrorists also use phones and paper to communicate?
Posted by: China Law Blog at July 18, 2006 03:16 PM (ZcIq5)
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This is terrible news. It is a huge victory for the terrorists and I just hope the government quickly reverses itself. Don't the terrorists also use phones and paper to communicate?
Posted by: China Law Blog at July 18, 2006 03:16 PM (ZcIq5)
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This is terrible news. It is a huge victory for the terrorists and I just hope the Indian government quickly reverses itself. Don't the terrorists also use phones and paper to communicate?
Posted by: China Law Blog at July 18, 2006 03:17 PM (ZcIq5)
July 13, 2006
Looking for Clues : Indian Govt. Detains Local Gangsters
Am I the only one who kinda doubts that gangsters blew up all those trains on 7/11?
Mumbai police said those rounded up included known thugs, gangsters and trouble makers, who might have information about the bombers. Most of the detentions were made overnight in Malwani, a north-eastern suburb of India's business capital, a police spokesman said.The Guardian does note a "possible link" between the bombings and "Kashmiri militants" fighting for "independence from India."
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The Kashmiri's or some of the groups denied they did this and have taken credit before. Seven bombs at once against the financial capital? Hmm who does that remind me of?
Posted by: Howie at July 13, 2006 09:10 AM (D3+20)
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"Known thugs, gangsters and trouble makers".... hm. Sounds like a case of rounding up the usual suspects.
Posted by: Nicole at July 13, 2006 09:27 AM (ksNES)
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Nicole
Its a good police tactic to start - lowlifes live on the finges, and sometimes they see and hear about things going on in their "back yard".
Its a good police tactic to start - lowlifes live on the finges, and sometimes they see and hear about things going on in their "back yard".
Posted by: hondo at July 13, 2006 09:33 AM (MVgHp)
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Didn't say it wasn't a good place to start. Just noting the way it was phrased sounds like it was straight out of Casablanca.
Posted by: Nicole at July 13, 2006 11:48 AM (ksNES)
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You are the only one who thinks gansters didn't do the bombing? You assuming ass. Go change your dress. It doesn't match your lipstick.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 14, 2006 06:31 AM (LEW+Y)
July 11, 2006
Mumbai Terror Update
According to the IndiaTimes.com, one train was reported to be split in half. Mumbai was put on red alert. Wired timing devices were said to be used on all seven high-intensity explosions. Security in Delhi was heightened.
In a report from New Delhi, intelligence sources said the terror attack on Mumbai trains was carried out by Lashkar-e-Toiba and local Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI) activists. The assertions are based on information about Lashkar's sleeper cells and the scale of the bombings. Officials believe the terrorists wanted to cause communal mayhem.
Another report from Greater Kashmir states that 147 passengers have died and 439 are injured. BBC reports that the simultaneous bombings killed at least 160 and 460 are injured.
From Interested-Participant.
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Make sure you write a few lines about McVeigh before writing the words Muslims, and attackers.
But, Allah wills it! Death to the Infidel!
But, Allah wills it! Death to the Infidel!
Posted by: Leatherneck at July 11, 2006 03:21 PM (D2g/j)
Mumbai: At Least 135 Believed Dead
The jihadis are getting better at train bombing, if today's terrorist attack in Mumbai is any indication:
MUMBAI (Reuters) - At least 135 people were killed and hundreds injured in seven bomb explosions on packed commuter trains and stations during rush hour on Tuesday in Mumbai, officials said.In the meantime, China and Russia stand against any reasonable controls over Iran and North Korea. How many more 9-11s and Madrids and Londons and Beslans is it going to take? When are the non-jihadis of the world going to realize that we're all in this together? When are the people gonna wake the hell up?City police chief A.N. Roy told Reuters 135 people were killed while Chief Minister Vilasrao Deshmukh said 300 people were injured.
"It is a bomb blast. We are not sure if it is RDX or not," Roy said, referring to the possible use of high-powered plastic explosives.
Commuters fled suburban rail stations in panic after the explosions and mobile phone lines were jammed. Television pictures showed twisted rail carriages and people in bloodstained clothes carrying dead and wounded on stretchers.
"The blasts happened when the trains were most crowded," D.K Shankaran, chief secretary of Maharashtra told Reuters.
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India has suffered pain and murder from muslim dogs for many, many years. The destruction of Islam as it is is the only solution. India even dividing it's nation into three to rid the muslims from their country. Big mistake was letting the first on remain. I do believe Indian people will strike back at the muslims in a neighborhood manner. You will now see riots in the streets and attacks on innocent muslims. If there is such a thing. Islam breeds killer and terrorists.
India should ban Islam the same as they banned the thuggee religion. Notice there is no more stranglings by thuggees. Why because the religion was banned. OUTLAW ISLAM.
EVERYWHERE THERE ARE MUSLIMS THERE IS DEATH AND SUFFERING.
India should ban Islam the same as they banned the thuggee religion. Notice there is no more stranglings by thuggees. Why because the religion was banned. OUTLAW ISLAM.
EVERYWHERE THERE ARE MUSLIMS THERE IS DEATH AND SUFFERING.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 11, 2006 11:28 AM (R7ENl)
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Ask yourself why the WaPo would give Ismail Haniyeh an op ed when Hamas is already considered a terrorist organization. Why would the lead paper in our nations capitol give this piece of garbage print space and front page exposure? Because deep down inside they want to see something bad happen before Bush leaves office. They then are compicit in aiding and abetting terror by means of allowing access to the public, the putrid bile these liars and decievers spew at any opportunity.
It is no longer a matter of a bunch of Woodward and Bernstien wannabe's exposing sesitive info about our efforts to combat terror and terrorism. These peaople are actively engaged in an effort to support the enemy. The friend of my enemy is my enemy. I wish someone with the ability to post on this board would compile a list of companies who buy advertising at the WaPo. I want to know who not to support. If someone does, please include e-mail addresses so we can express our displeasure.
It is no longer a matter of a bunch of Woodward and Bernstien wannabe's exposing sesitive info about our efforts to combat terror and terrorism. These peaople are actively engaged in an effort to support the enemy. The friend of my enemy is my enemy. I wish someone with the ability to post on this board would compile a list of companies who buy advertising at the WaPo. I want to know who not to support. If someone does, please include e-mail addresses so we can express our displeasure.
Posted by: Cmunk at July 11, 2006 11:40 AM (7teJ9)
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India out of Iraq, and Afghanistan NOW!
India is creating terrorists, faster than they're killing them!
It doesn't quite fit into the theory of root causes of terrorism, now, does it?
India is creating terrorists, faster than they're killing them!
It doesn't quite fit into the theory of root causes of terrorism, now, does it?
Posted by: davec at July 11, 2006 11:46 AM (voZp6)
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You can e-mail the paper at this address: letters@washpost.com. I am sending my first letter today.
Posted by: Cmunk at July 11, 2006 11:46 AM (7teJ9)
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davec: Brilliant!
Posted by: greyrooster at July 11, 2006 11:50 AM (R7ENl)
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One minute everyone loves Russia & Putin, the next minute everyone condemns them...
Posted by: Venom at July 11, 2006 12:57 PM (gyr2M)
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Something to do with 135 dead? You liberal mind is wandering. Are you saying Russia & Putin bombed Bombay?
Friggin leftard.
Friggin leftard.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 11, 2006 01:11 PM (nJ642)
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No, dummy. I was referring to the last paragraph. Maybe you should read the whole article before posting next time?
Maybe the original poster is a leftard, too, because that last paragraph didn't specifically refer to Bombay?
Maybe the original poster is a leftard, too, because that last paragraph didn't specifically refer to Bombay?
Posted by: Venom at July 11, 2006 01:47 PM (pYHpB)
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You know Venom, the other day I was buying my "I [heart] Russia T-shirt, and "Communism, tain't so bad afterall" coffee mug, and was wondering the same thing.
I wonder if the cooling off has to do with the fact that Russia aligns itself with China, to prevent our foreign policy, or sells night-vision goggles, and GPS jammers to Iraq in violation of U.N treaty, arming them for War, whilst voting against it-- or I wonder if it's because we see Putin as a moderate, with a milder form of Communism, which is still our enemy after half a century.
Just because talks have somewhat normalized between the U.S and Russia doesn't mean we're going to be holding bakesales with them anytime soon.
I wonder if the cooling off has to do with the fact that Russia aligns itself with China, to prevent our foreign policy, or sells night-vision goggles, and GPS jammers to Iraq in violation of U.N treaty, arming them for War, whilst voting against it-- or I wonder if it's because we see Putin as a moderate, with a milder form of Communism, which is still our enemy after half a century.
Just because talks have somewhat normalized between the U.S and Russia doesn't mean we're going to be holding bakesales with them anytime soon.
Posted by: davec at July 11, 2006 01:54 PM (voZp6)
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Nah, I wasn't suggesting a big love-in with them or anything. I've just noticed here that the opinion on Russia seems to change with the wind.
Posted by: Venom at July 11, 2006 01:57 PM (pYHpB)
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And while people are dying at the hands of terrorists in India, our president announces that he will give Geneva convention status to the sub-humans at GITMO.
That's just ducky. They cut the heads off our soldiers, torturing them beyond recognition, they bomb Madrid, Bali, India and we are going to treat subhumans humanly.
WFT? Are we trying to do everything we can to lose the damn war against these Islamic freaks?
Why don't we just adopt Islamic law and be done with it?
That's just ducky. They cut the heads off our soldiers, torturing them beyond recognition, they bomb Madrid, Bali, India and we are going to treat subhumans humanly.
WFT? Are we trying to do everything we can to lose the damn war against these Islamic freaks?
Why don't we just adopt Islamic law and be done with it?
Posted by: retire05 at July 11, 2006 02:03 PM (buEiD)
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Indeed, you're right in the fact that it's protrayed as a sweeping love affair one minute, and then a struggle to the death.
I think just like Saudi Arabia, while they're our "ally" in the war against terror [because Russia faces the same] but its still a marriage of convenience, built on a single front. Without the WOT, the same old differences reappear, if we were to make a cartoon of the relationship it would be like that spy-vs-spy cartoon with the two spies shaking hands, while holding knives to each others backs.
I think just like Saudi Arabia, while they're our "ally" in the war against terror [because Russia faces the same] but its still a marriage of convenience, built on a single front. Without the WOT, the same old differences reappear, if we were to make a cartoon of the relationship it would be like that spy-vs-spy cartoon with the two spies shaking hands, while holding knives to each others backs.
Posted by: davec at July 11, 2006 02:04 PM (voZp6)
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Haha, that's one of the better analogies I've heard with respect to ties with Russia.
Posted by: Venom at July 11, 2006 02:08 PM (pYHpB)
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Vemon. You dumbass traitor. He was using China and Russia as illustrations of the world's attitude. Not singling out any one country. But you America hating turds always only listen to your adgenda. Yea! I remember you.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 11, 2006 05:10 PM (y4Vli)
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And while people are dying at the hands of terrorists in India, our president announces that he will give Geneva convention status to the sub-humans at GITMO.
Bush is a brainless, gutless, nutless moron, and all we can do is hope for a nuke in Washington while the whole government is there.
Bush is a brainless, gutless, nutless moron, and all we can do is hope for a nuke in Washington while the whole government is there.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 12, 2006 06:13 AM (v3I+x)
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Grey: I don't hate America. Not sure why you always say that. In fact, if you've read anything I've written here lately, you'd see that. I brought up Russia because he did. In fact, if you read HIS last paragraph, you'd notice he doesn't specifically refer to the Bombay attack either (much like I didn't), and brings Russia up as a follow-up point. I was referring to that. Didn't think I needed to make that entirely obvious for everyone, but I forget that some people here need to have it spelled out for them. Not really sure why you're trying to pick a fight with me this time around.
Posted by: Venom at July 12, 2006 08:33 AM (gyr2M)
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Not sure either. Just that I never let the same dog bite me twice.
I will admit your posts are better than your old ones two years ago. Not nearly as America hating, commie loving, president bashing, liberal bullshit as in the past.
Wonder if I can take some credit for helping turn you into what sounds like a human being.
I will admit your posts are better than your old ones two years ago. Not nearly as America hating, commie loving, president bashing, liberal bullshit as in the past.
Wonder if I can take some credit for helping turn you into what sounds like a human being.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 12, 2006 09:44 PM (zDBgv)
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Hehe, no, sorry. But like I said in one my last posts in our constant arguments was something to the effect of life being too short to waste bickering over the Internet. I've always been anti-terrorist, anti-fascist (and anti-communist), pro-truth, and always looking to see the bigger picture. Never hated America, but, like anyone, agrees and disagrees with how various issues are carried out. And, yeah, I'm always looking to learn more about something if things don't make sense. Maybe I'm just bringing it up better, is all
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.Posted by: Venom at July 13, 2006 08:45 AM (pYHpB)
May 08, 2006
Muslim Women Demand Death for Prostitute
Above: Members the women's group Dukhtaran-e-Milat ( Daughters of the Muslim Faith) hurl rocks in protest of a prostitution sex scandal in Kashmir, India.
All religions are basically the same alert: He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
AP:
Carrying placards and shouting slogans demanding "severest punishment to the guilty," protesters broke through police barricades, pelting stones and bricks.New Kerala:
"We appeal to government that those who are guilty should be brought before us and we will punish them,"Reuters:
Last week, an angry mob ransacked the house of a woman suspected of running the prostitution ring, before razing it to the ground and setting fire to her belongings.Also: Gateway Pundit who has more.
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Is this a pr0n site? Her soaked burka reveals the curve of her leg, I can see the bridge of her nose and she is exposed up to the wrist. These are not permissive.
Posted by: fluffy the spammer! at May 08, 2006 10:28 AM (UxguT)
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Good, Prostitution should be illegal.
Its spreads Aids and destroys families.
It tells men that Sex is something to be bought and sold, so when men run out of money they rape.
Its spreads Aids and destroys families.
It tells men that Sex is something to be bought and sold, so when men run out of money they rape.
Posted by: John McParlin at May 08, 2006 10:46 AM (TwcDR)
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I always here how Muslims also have Jesus but I guess they skpped the whole "ye without sin" thing.
Posted by: pka at May 08, 2006 12:00 PM (UA1kS)
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Are you sure that wasn't just a wet burka contest?
Posted by: Oyster at May 08, 2006 12:53 PM (xYgw4)
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Your weight is on the wrong foot, and you need to extend her arm more in order to achieve greater velosity of the stone. Also, use the other hand to point with as you let the stone fly BITCH!
Posted by: Leatherneck at May 08, 2006 01:58 PM (D2g/j)
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This old hag is probably pissed as her man's been using the housekeeping for a bit on the side.
Posted by: Jester at May 08, 2006 03:11 PM (TuAMG)
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Let us have a secular code of law only
Posted by: Guruji Kanda at May 08, 2006 04:08 PM (9d7Bb)
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Leatherneck,
Kashmir is a Cricket-playing country, so the techniques that are obvious to players of Baseball are apt to be lost on them.
I sort of wonder what Muslims think when they hear the "let him without sin cast the first stone" idea. I guess they just look around among themselves and figure that the guy without sin must be detained elsewhere, so they get started without him.
Kashmir is a Cricket-playing country, so the techniques that are obvious to players of Baseball are apt to be lost on them.
I sort of wonder what Muslims think when they hear the "let him without sin cast the first stone" idea. I guess they just look around among themselves and figure that the guy without sin must be detained elsewhere, so they get started without him.
Posted by: ShannonKW at May 08, 2006 04:45 PM (dT1MB)
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Prostitution should remain illegal, IMO, but stoning prostitutes isn't the way to enlightenment. Obviously, those women have a bloodlust.
Posted by: RepJ at May 08, 2006 05:45 PM (wZLWV)
Posted by: Leatherneck at May 08, 2006 07:47 PM (D2g/j)
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Please remember, everyone: There is no God called Allah, and Mohammed is a child molester.
~Voice
~Voice
Posted by: A voice in the wilderness at May 08, 2006 10:53 PM (KoMkb)
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The only thing these tormented muslim women like more than inflicting pain is feeling little suckling mouths of future suicide bombers pressing firmly on their breasts.
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at May 09, 2006 12:07 AM (FCC6c)
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I think it is high time that the Koran is exposed to the rest of the world as a terrorist manual. So more people should be made curious to see what is actuall y in the Koran. So please sign this petition to ban the Koran. This is just a tactic -- no actual censorship is supported -- to get those who have not read the Koran to pay attention and read it. Here is the link http://www.petitiononline.com/banquran/petition.html
Posted by: Soma Rus at May 09, 2006 12:37 AM (JFFgw)
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hey ! is it possible to go in the street and asking for the death of people becoz they dont have your belief ? if not, just kill all that muslims right down in the street, prostitutes r 100000000000000000000 times more vertuous that mo the fake guru of muslims.
Posted by: James at May 09, 2006 12:48 AM (mQmjK)
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once again they are crying and mobing and roiting... check the facts out...
Islamic sprital leaders screw uncounted childs every year...
New kerla forget to tell, how Arabs usually comes to hyderabad.. marry a girl and then sell her in Middle east, making India top tourist destination for getting virgin girls and for human trafiking
Islam says, dont do Prostitution, as in this way u have to pay the women.i think perhaps islam is against looking women selfdependent. women, who want to opt the oldest form of buz to survive .... instead Islam says screw anyone.. rape them, tear them, bring fear in them... but dont pay money..
I dont think prostitution is bad, instead as a Hindu i see those act's more bad, which forced these womens to opt this biz. killing these womens is not the solution, solution is to find out, where what gone wrong.. becuz of which, a person has to sold herself to earn money
Islamic sprital leaders screw uncounted childs every year...
New kerla forget to tell, how Arabs usually comes to hyderabad.. marry a girl and then sell her in Middle east, making India top tourist destination for getting virgin girls and for human trafiking
Islam says, dont do Prostitution, as in this way u have to pay the women.i think perhaps islam is against looking women selfdependent. women, who want to opt the oldest form of buz to survive .... instead Islam says screw anyone.. rape them, tear them, bring fear in them... but dont pay money..
I dont think prostitution is bad, instead as a Hindu i see those act's more bad, which forced these womens to opt this biz. killing these womens is not the solution, solution is to find out, where what gone wrong.. becuz of which, a person has to sold herself to earn money
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Posted by: Angelo at May 10, 2006 06:13 PM (lRmdE)
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This reminds me of Atefeh Rajabi's brave speech in court in Iran right before the judge dragged her out and put the noose on her himself. She had ripped off her headscarf and demanded that the system that forced these things on women be punished, not the women forced into "relations" as she was. Rest in Peace, poor child.
On another note, I still don't get it. What is it with Muslims and rocks? Huh? Worship, throwing, murder with, etc.?
On another note, I still don't get it. What is it with Muslims and rocks? Huh? Worship, throwing, murder with, etc.?
Posted by: Pim's Ghost at May 11, 2006 09:47 PM (TK5Ak)
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It isn't rocks they're throwing.
It's busted concrete, from all
the shelled out buildings they
got from blowing everything up
on a regular basis.. ha ha
Paul
It's busted concrete, from all
the shelled out buildings they
got from blowing everything up
on a regular basis.. ha ha
Paul
Posted by: Paul Wampum at May 23, 2006 04:34 PM (7/8/U)
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Just a bunch of crazed savages. I swear
the average middle aged Muhammaden has
the emotional stability of a 12 year old Anglo
girl. They never grow up. I hope you like
it America. This is your future in about 10
years.
Mike
the average middle aged Muhammaden has
the emotional stability of a 12 year old Anglo
girl. They never grow up. I hope you like
it America. This is your future in about 10
years.
Mike
Posted by: Michael Bopft at December 06, 2009 01:40 AM (AE1RY)
March 07, 2006
Terrorism Hits Hindu Shrines in India
Hmmmm. Idols blown up? I wonder who could be behind this? Truly a baffling mystery. CBN:
Several explosions rocked a railway station and Hindu temple in the northeast Indian holy city of Varanasi on Tuesday, killing at least four people, police said.ROPMA.Authorities were trying to determine what caused the blasts, one of which occurred inside a train stopped at the city's railway station, said policeman Mohammed Hashmi. He did not know if there were any casualties.
A witness, Sunil Yadav, said a blast also occurred near the ticket counter in the crowded station waiting room. He described a scene of confusion, with people running and screaming, but he could not say whether anyone was killed.
Another blast shook the Sankat Mochan temple near dusk, when the shrine is ordinarily crowded with devout Hindus making a nightly offering to the monkey-god Hanuman, said Madan Mohan Pande, a police inspector in Varanasi.
He said at least four people were killed and 12 were wounded, but Indian TV stations reported that at least seven people had died.
India television channels reported that none of the idols in the temple were damaged in the blast.
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OMG! It must be Hindu oppression of the brown people! What are the root causes? Did Ghandi's imperialism set the stage for this years ago?
Posted by: Gordon at March 07, 2006 10:56 AM (JwR1N)
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Its HINDU Temples and Shrines that were damaged. Pakistan based Islamic terrosist agency, Lashkar is behind it, as we will see in the days to come.
Hindu Oppression of Brow people? What do u mean? Hindus themselves are brown you redneck!
Gandhi has influenced US Martin Luther King too. He set the stage for equal rights in the US years ago.
Dont prove your ignorance by writing whatever you can...please do so in rural Texas, not in mainstream media read by educated people.
Hindu Oppression of Brow people? What do u mean? Hindus themselves are brown you redneck!
Gandhi has influenced US Martin Luther King too. He set the stage for equal rights in the US years ago.
Dont prove your ignorance by writing whatever you can...please do so in rural Texas, not in mainstream media read by educated people.
Posted by: CK at March 07, 2006 11:19 AM (kcCKv)
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when all else fails, blame whitey.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 07, 2006 11:21 AM (8e/V4)
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>>>please do so in rural Texas, not in mainstream media read by educated people.
I live in rural Texas, and I'll bet good money I have more edumacation than you do ;-)
I live in rural Texas, and I'll bet good money I have more edumacation than you do ;-)
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 07, 2006 11:24 AM (8e/V4)
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My apologies,
Couldnt get the sarcasm,
Islamists and Terrorists, madarsas and Mullahs. That is the cause of present evil. This is my belief.
(But I will take up the money bet,:-)Got more than a Phd, huh?)
Couldnt get the sarcasm,
Islamists and Terrorists, madarsas and Mullahs. That is the cause of present evil. This is my belief.
(But I will take up the money bet,:-)Got more than a Phd, huh?)
Posted by: CK at March 07, 2006 12:19 PM (kcCKv)
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well all i can say is I hope the indian govt finally sees the light and votes against iran...
later
g
later
g
Posted by: girish at March 07, 2006 12:39 PM (IpuE8)
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Got more than a Phd, huh?
let me take a second to bow before the enlightened one, as a resident of Texas, I'm not sure what one of those is, I often hear people talking about them while sipping a latte, and discussing hemp basket weaving at Starbucks, is it some sort of elite hippy coffee drinking club?
let me take a second to bow before the enlightened one, as a resident of Texas, I'm not sure what one of those is, I often hear people talking about them while sipping a latte, and discussing hemp basket weaving at Starbucks, is it some sort of elite hippy coffee drinking club?
Posted by: cdave at March 07, 2006 01:00 PM (CcXvt)
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I get served my coffee and breakfast tacos down at the Bear Moon Cafe by a waiter with one of them fancy "Phds" who says he's an authority on "theology of imagination" or something hifelutin like that. Real smart fella.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 07, 2006 02:14 PM (8e/V4)
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JC, that's "fart smeller". Er...
Posted by: Oyster at March 07, 2006 02:21 PM (rf0W8)
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 07, 2006 02:27 PM (8e/V4)
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Us Texicans know what Phd stands for. Piled high and deep. Now hows that for a Texas definition? I have found that definition to be right more often than it has been wrong.
No offense, CK.
No offense, CK.
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 07, 2006 03:23 PM (rUyw4)
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Y'all have to look over CK, as he takes an hour and a half to watch 60 Minutes.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 07, 2006 07:35 PM (0yYS2)
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Looks out HINDUS their aiming at your cows as well
Posted by: sandpiper at March 07, 2006 08:49 PM (XnXsx)
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No matter where muslims go, no matter how other people behave toward them, they always end up using violence because they are animals, and we must kill every one of them before it's over.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 08, 2006 05:16 AM (0yYS2)
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This attitude, and exactly this attitude is responsible for what you get if you step out of US.
Can you name 10 Countries that you can go without getting in to trouble?
Hate and sarcasm yield nothing. Mockery and bellittleing will fetch you nothing. That might be the only solace you get, in your small beer drinking, flag waving, myphobic world.
And yes,it really is a fact that I actually take 4-5 hours on my TvIo as I dont have much time to waste an hour or to check crap round the clock.
Now, PhD meaning has been changed too. Good to know. Majority of the good americans bare the image of US centric retards just because of 1-2% of illeducated fanatics.
Good day guys,
C.K
Can you name 10 Countries that you can go without getting in to trouble?
Hate and sarcasm yield nothing. Mockery and bellittleing will fetch you nothing. That might be the only solace you get, in your small beer drinking, flag waving, myphobic world.
And yes,it really is a fact that I actually take 4-5 hours on my TvIo as I dont have much time to waste an hour or to check crap round the clock.
Now, PhD meaning has been changed too. Good to know. Majority of the good americans bare the image of US centric retards just because of 1-2% of illeducated fanatics.
Good day guys,
C.K
Posted by: CK at March 08, 2006 06:38 AM (T5dqz)
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To see what these terrorist muslim fanatics are scared of, we just need to see what they use to scare innocent humanbeings......they understand only one language, and thats violence.
And thats what they get in return, and thats what they shall get. Israels policy of NO ONE WHO TAREGTS OUR CIVILIANS ARE SAFE is THE WAY,
for HINDUS, JEWS, CHRISTIANS...alike.
Thats my opinion.
And thats what they get in return, and thats what they shall get. Israels policy of NO ONE WHO TAREGTS OUR CIVILIANS ARE SAFE is THE WAY,
for HINDUS, JEWS, CHRISTIANS...alike.
Thats my opinion.
Posted by: CK at March 08, 2006 06:51 AM (T5dqz)
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CK, shut up, nobody here buys your idiotic, semi-educated, heavily-indoctrinated crap. Go back to reading Mein Kampf you liberal moron.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 08, 2006 07:27 AM (0yYS2)
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That book is for intolerant, narrow visioned and racist retards. Not for educated ones. We have better things to do in life then to mess around with someones way of life or try to control everyone elses life.
WHEN all else fails(it does, anyways), blame liberals.
It is just pointed out in USA today that 79% of all the Academia is Liberal.
What does that mean? When you get education(not in a church or a madarsaa or a temple-BUT in a UNIVERSITY of a CENTER FOR HIGHER LEARNING) your mental horizons grow and you tend to see what the world is about, rather than sit with like minded people and be scared of the world.
P.S :Even liberals know how to get personal you RETARD.
WHEN all else fails(it does, anyways), blame liberals.
It is just pointed out in USA today that 79% of all the Academia is Liberal.
What does that mean? When you get education(not in a church or a madarsaa or a temple-BUT in a UNIVERSITY of a CENTER FOR HIGHER LEARNING) your mental horizons grow and you tend to see what the world is about, rather than sit with like minded people and be scared of the world.
P.S :Even liberals know how to get personal you RETARD.
Posted by: CK at March 09, 2006 07:23 AM (T5dqz)
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That book is for intolerant, narrow visioned and racist retards. Not for educated ones. We have better things to do in life then to mess around with someones way of life or try to control everyone elses life.
WHEN all else fails(it does, anyways), gripe at others/liberals/PhD's/etc.
It is just pointed out in USA today that 79% of all the Academia is Liberal.
What does that mean? When you get education(not in a church or a madarsaa or a temple-BUT in a UNIVERSITY of a CENTER FOR HIGHER LEARNING) your mental horizons grow and you tend to see what the world is about, rather than sit with like minded people and be scared of the world.
P.S :Even liberals know how to get personal RETARD
WHEN all else fails(it does, anyways), gripe at others/liberals/PhD's/etc.
It is just pointed out in USA today that 79% of all the Academia is Liberal.
What does that mean? When you get education(not in a church or a madarsaa or a temple-BUT in a UNIVERSITY of a CENTER FOR HIGHER LEARNING) your mental horizons grow and you tend to see what the world is about, rather than sit with like minded people and be scared of the world.
P.S :Even liberals know how to get personal RETARD
Posted by: CK at March 09, 2006 07:26 AM (T5dqz)
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Education eh? So that's what they're calling it nowadays. I have yet to meet a liberal of any academic stripe that I can't argue into the ground without using anything other than pure logic and rhetoric, whereas liberals always run from an argument by using ad hominem attacks and explaining that I "just can't understand". Liberals are idiots and must all be killed for the good of humanity.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 09, 2006 07:58 AM (0yYS2)
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Relax dude,
there is no difference between you and the islamic millitants I guess.
If killing and genocide are the only solutions for everything, then I guess you and I would not have been here in the first palce.
May be the reason they run away is you, as they might have better things to do.
You havent met a liberal who can argue some sense in to you? That shows how many educated people you have met!
Violence can be answered by violence, just like US bombed Afghanistan.
Violence can be forced just based on misconception, just like in Iraq.
Violence can be preached without reason or logic, just like IMPROBULUS MAXIMUS.
Good one, and GOOD DAY.
there is no difference between you and the islamic millitants I guess.
If killing and genocide are the only solutions for everything, then I guess you and I would not have been here in the first palce.
May be the reason they run away is you, as they might have better things to do.
You havent met a liberal who can argue some sense in to you? That shows how many educated people you have met!
Violence can be answered by violence, just like US bombed Afghanistan.
Violence can be forced just based on misconception, just like in Iraq.
Violence can be preached without reason or logic, just like IMPROBULUS MAXIMUS.
Good one, and GOOD DAY.
Posted by: ck at March 09, 2006 09:47 AM (kcCKv)
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Wow, that was soooooo insightful and profound, and well argued to boot! I think I'll go burn my Tao Te Ching now, since I've sat at the feet of a true master. Idiot.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 10, 2006 08:41 AM (0yYS2)
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it's good these hindu temples our getting blown up, the dumb hindu's who worship rats celebrated when the golden temple the sikh's holy shrine was attacked by the indian government then cry when their shrines used for rat worshipping is blown up but i love it down with hindu's kill them all.
Posted by: good at March 23, 2006 06:21 AM (Uagor)
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it's good these hindu temples our getting blown up, the dumb hindu's who worship rats celebrated when the golden temple the sikh's holy shrine was attacked by the indian government celebrate when christians and muslims our murdered by the cowardly hindu mob's with 100 hindu's against every one sikh muslim or christian, then cry when their shrines used for rat worshipping is blown up but i love it down with hindu's kill them all.
Posted by: good at March 23, 2006 06:22 AM (Uagor)
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die hindu's die i hate these cowards besides fighting like men they have mob attacks in majority dominated hindu area's and when they have to fight like men they run crying for their mothers, man they worship rats kill them all dumb basterds, they rape christian women if they decide to convert to christianity from worshiping rats they;ll have a mob of 1000 try to take out one muslim sikh or christian and then rape little 13 year old girls. Hindu's our cowards and deserve to die gh I wonder why india was taken over every ten years when only hindu's exsisted in india until their were sikh's and muslims then india finally was able to stand strong hindu's have never bin able to fight cuz they cry for their mothers when they see blood and back worshiping their dumb holy rat again.
Posted by: good at March 26, 2006 02:06 AM (Uagor)
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kill these hindu's they are coward fighters always using mobs to kill christians sikhs and muslims they always need 1000 hindu's to kill one sikh muslim or christian their the biggest cowards in the world damn hindu's when their were just hindu's in india they were taken over every ten years cuz they would cry for their mom's and run over to worship the damn rat when ever they saw blood not till muslims sikh's christians came into india that india was able to be a strong country no hindu is brave or strong their rat worshiping cowards. when a women in india converts to christianity and decides not to worship a rat anymore they rape them. Hell they need a 1000 hindu's to kill one christian and 10 000 hindu's to burn down a church in india and when something happends to them like a dumb paper cut they cry and need their mommy's again they start crying no wonder, hell you can mouth off a hindu and he wont' have the guts to say anything back but start crying and run over and start ppraying to the rat and go crying over to their mom's.
Posted by: good at March 26, 2006 02:12 AM (Uagor)
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a dead hindu is a good hindu
Posted by: jason at May 22, 2006 11:30 PM (Uagor)
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Whats the difference in how islam fights wars and hindus fight wars, islamic jihads also have balls and can fight and don't run hindus attack with mobs then run when having to fight like men, hears whats happining to christians in india
Christian Institutions Face Increasing Number of Atrocities and Dacoities in Northern India
Yesu Christ Convent of the Franciscan Clarist nuns at Baghpat, Uttar Pradesh, 50 kilometres from New Delhi, was looted, the Chapel desecrated and several nuns, novices and lay teachers were beaten up in the early hours of Thursday, 24t-h September. An armed gang of men smashed tl-ie Tabernacle, threw the Hosts onto the floor and tore out the Cross from the Chapel wall. After beating up and disabling the security guard the armed men terrorised the 30 nuns, novices and women teachers for three hours. Contents of every single room had been turned upside down, almirahs broken open and the clothes of the inmates strewn on the floor. The dacoits took away Rs. 15,000 and a gold ornament from one of the staff members, locked up the nuns inside the Chapel and went way.
Police Inspector Bhagwan Singh Shrivastava, who is investigating the case together with a team of detectives and forensic experts, has assured the press that he was confident of nabbing the dacoits soon. The Inspector also said that despite the desecration carried out in the Chapel, he "did not think that this was a case of right-wing Hindu fundamentalist violence against the Christian community'.
The Franciscan Clarist nuns run a school in the Convent premises. From the fact that the nuns had drawn Rs. 15,000 from the Bank the previous day, the assumption of Inspector Shrivastava that robbery could be the only motive behind this assault gives credibility to his statement that there was no anti-Christian sentiment behind this dastardly crime. The nuns also have confirmed that there was no sexual harrassment of any of the inmates. The Police suspect that the dacoits might have had a contact man who knew details of the Convent. Forensic experts have lifted some finger prints and are expected to make some breakthrough shortly. Further details of the investigation are awaited.
Church attacked in Jhabua District: Four days after the 23rd September rape of four nuns at Navapora village, a Catholic Church at Jamli, 11 kilometres from Pillawad in Jhabua District, was attacked by some unidentified assailants. A group of five or six armed men broke into the church at about 9.00 p.m. and demanded money from the resident priest, Fr. Edward Sorrel, after cutting the telephone and electricity lines. Hearing the shouts of Fr. Sorrel several villagers came running in, and the assailants had no choice but to run away. A case has been registered at the Raipurya Police Station.
This is the third attack on nuns, churches and church pro erty in the area within a period of six days. A similar attack took place in the Asha Niketan church premises, Bhopal, where a group of Hindus broke the fencing of the church property alleging it to be an encroachment, though the civil authorities confirm that the property belongs to the Church.
Christian Institutions Face Increasing Number of Atrocities and Dacoities in Northern India
Yesu Christ Convent of the Franciscan Clarist nuns at Baghpat, Uttar Pradesh, 50 kilometres from New Delhi, was looted, the Chapel desecrated and several nuns, novices and lay teachers were beaten up in the early hours of Thursday, 24t-h September. An armed gang of men smashed tl-ie Tabernacle, threw the Hosts onto the floor and tore out the Cross from the Chapel wall. After beating up and disabling the security guard the armed men terrorised the 30 nuns, novices and women teachers for three hours. Contents of every single room had been turned upside down, almirahs broken open and the clothes of the inmates strewn on the floor. The dacoits took away Rs. 15,000 and a gold ornament from one of the staff members, locked up the nuns inside the Chapel and went way.
Police Inspector Bhagwan Singh Shrivastava, who is investigating the case together with a team of detectives and forensic experts, has assured the press that he was confident of nabbing the dacoits soon. The Inspector also said that despite the desecration carried out in the Chapel, he "did not think that this was a case of right-wing Hindu fundamentalist violence against the Christian community'.
The Franciscan Clarist nuns run a school in the Convent premises. From the fact that the nuns had drawn Rs. 15,000 from the Bank the previous day, the assumption of Inspector Shrivastava that robbery could be the only motive behind this assault gives credibility to his statement that there was no anti-Christian sentiment behind this dastardly crime. The nuns also have confirmed that there was no sexual harrassment of any of the inmates. The Police suspect that the dacoits might have had a contact man who knew details of the Convent. Forensic experts have lifted some finger prints and are expected to make some breakthrough shortly. Further details of the investigation are awaited.
Church attacked in Jhabua District: Four days after the 23rd September rape of four nuns at Navapora village, a Catholic Church at Jamli, 11 kilometres from Pillawad in Jhabua District, was attacked by some unidentified assailants. A group of five or six armed men broke into the church at about 9.00 p.m. and demanded money from the resident priest, Fr. Edward Sorrel, after cutting the telephone and electricity lines. Hearing the shouts of Fr. Sorrel several villagers came running in, and the assailants had no choice but to run away. A case has been registered at the Raipurya Police Station.
This is the third attack on nuns, churches and church pro erty in the area within a period of six days. A similar attack took place in the Asha Niketan church premises, Bhopal, where a group of Hindus broke the fencing of the church property alleging it to be an encroachment, though the civil authorities confirm that the property belongs to the Church.
Posted by: jason at May 22, 2006 11:49 PM (Uagor)
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Christian Institutions Face Increasing Number of Atrocities and Dacoities in Northern India
Yesu Christ Convent of the Franciscan Clarist nuns at Baghpat, Uttar Pradesh, 50 kilometres from New Delhi, was looted, the Chapel desecrated and several nuns, novices and lay teachers were beaten up in the early hours of Thursday, 24t-h September. An armed gang of men smashed tl-ie Tabernacle, threw the Hosts onto the floor and tore out the Cross from the Chapel wall. After beating up and disabling the security guard the armed men terrorised the 30 nuns, novices and women teachers for three hours. Contents of every single room had been turned upside down, almirahs broken open and the clothes of the inmates strewn on the floor. The dacoits took away Rs. 15,000 and a gold ornament from one of the staff members, locked up the nuns inside the Chapel and went way.
Police Inspector Bhagwan Singh Shrivastava, who is investigating the case together with a team of detectives and forensic experts, has assured the press that he was confident of nabbing the dacoits soon. The Inspector also said that despite the desecration carried out in the Chapel, he "did not think that this was a case of right-wing Hindu fundamentalist violence against the Christian community'.
The Franciscan Clarist nuns run a school in the Convent premises. From the fact that the nuns had drawn Rs. 15,000 from the Bank the previous day, the assumption of Inspector Shrivastava that robbery could be the only motive behind this assault gives credibility to his statement that there was no anti-Christian sentiment behind this dastardly crime. The nuns also have confirmed that there was no sexual harrassment of any of the inmates. The Police suspect that the dacoits might have had a contact man who knew details of the Convent. Forensic experts have lifted some finger prints and are expected to make some breakthrough shortly. Further details of the investigation are awaited.
Church attacked in Jhabua District: Four days after the 23rd September rape of four nuns at Navapora village, a Catholic Church at Jamli, 11 kilometres from Pillawad in Jhabua District, was attacked by some unidentified assailants. A group of five or six armed men broke into the church at about 9.00 p.m. and demanded money from the resident priest, Fr. Edward Sorrel, after cutting the telephone and electricity lines. Hearing the shouts of Fr. Sorrel several villagers came running in, and the assailants had no choice but to run away. A case has been registered at the Raipurya Police Station.
This is the third attack on nuns, churches and church pro erty in the area within a period of six days. A similar attack took place in the Asha Niketan church premises, Bhopal, where a group of Hindus broke the fencing of the church property alleging it to be an encroachment, though the civil authorities confirm that the property belongs to the Church.
Yesu Christ Convent of the Franciscan Clarist nuns at Baghpat, Uttar Pradesh, 50 kilometres from New Delhi, was looted, the Chapel desecrated and several nuns, novices and lay teachers were beaten up in the early hours of Thursday, 24t-h September. An armed gang of men smashed tl-ie Tabernacle, threw the Hosts onto the floor and tore out the Cross from the Chapel wall. After beating up and disabling the security guard the armed men terrorised the 30 nuns, novices and women teachers for three hours. Contents of every single room had been turned upside down, almirahs broken open and the clothes of the inmates strewn on the floor. The dacoits took away Rs. 15,000 and a gold ornament from one of the staff members, locked up the nuns inside the Chapel and went way.
Police Inspector Bhagwan Singh Shrivastava, who is investigating the case together with a team of detectives and forensic experts, has assured the press that he was confident of nabbing the dacoits soon. The Inspector also said that despite the desecration carried out in the Chapel, he "did not think that this was a case of right-wing Hindu fundamentalist violence against the Christian community'.
The Franciscan Clarist nuns run a school in the Convent premises. From the fact that the nuns had drawn Rs. 15,000 from the Bank the previous day, the assumption of Inspector Shrivastava that robbery could be the only motive behind this assault gives credibility to his statement that there was no anti-Christian sentiment behind this dastardly crime. The nuns also have confirmed that there was no sexual harrassment of any of the inmates. The Police suspect that the dacoits might have had a contact man who knew details of the Convent. Forensic experts have lifted some finger prints and are expected to make some breakthrough shortly. Further details of the investigation are awaited.
Church attacked in Jhabua District: Four days after the 23rd September rape of four nuns at Navapora village, a Catholic Church at Jamli, 11 kilometres from Pillawad in Jhabua District, was attacked by some unidentified assailants. A group of five or six armed men broke into the church at about 9.00 p.m. and demanded money from the resident priest, Fr. Edward Sorrel, after cutting the telephone and electricity lines. Hearing the shouts of Fr. Sorrel several villagers came running in, and the assailants had no choice but to run away. A case has been registered at the Raipurya Police Station.
This is the third attack on nuns, churches and church pro erty in the area within a period of six days. A similar attack took place in the Asha Niketan church premises, Bhopal, where a group of Hindus broke the fencing of the church property alleging it to be an encroachment, though the civil authorities confirm that the property belongs to the Church.
Posted by: jason at May 22, 2006 11:50 PM (Uagor)
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what a bunch of red dotted morons, i know some hindus living on my street and in my school don't got guts to say anything when they get slapped and mocked, thats like all americans going to hindu churches and attacking these dumb hindus but christians and americans are bigger then that as beating down hindus would be to easy as they way 10 pounds and wear dumb red dots on their fucking heads, we need to send some american soilders to teach their damn government and these damn hindus in india a lesson on who ruled them once the christians of england bent them over and fucked their women hard.
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i work with hindus usually keep to themselves i don't think they have the balls to pull that kind stunts on churches in america, in india they make up 80% of the mother fucking population thats why it's so easy for them to attack christians who only make up 1%. Yea their probably pissed offf about the english also mostly christians slapping the little stupid hindus around while these damn hindus sat their and took it, now since they can gang up on christians now they thinkg their tough, but wouldn't have the balls to do this shit in europe or north america or anywere else.
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