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September 04, 2007

China Hacks Pentagon Computers

Last week it was Chinese espionage involving German computers and now it's being reported that China has hacked into the Pentagon's computers.

The Financial Times quoted US officials as saying the Chinese army made the attack, which crashed part of a system for the defence secretary's office.
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Chinese Foreign Ministry official Jiang Yu said Beijing "opposed and vigorously attacked" all attacks on the internet including hacking.
"Some people are making wild accusations against China ... These are totally groundless and also reflect a Cold War mentality," she said.
The Financial Times earlier quoted a senior official as saying the Pentagon had pinpointed the origins of the attack and another as saying there was a "high level of confidence" that the People's Liberation Army was responsible.

Naturally, China will assert that the People's Liberation Army wouldn't do anything sneaky. I'll assert they're fibbing.

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August 02, 2007

Jack Bauer's Time In China Was Well Spent

Man, I don't even know how to begin a commentary about this.

The story claims that it's anti-corruption backlash, but, these are the ChiComs we're talking about here.

I'd like to believe it's an anti-Communism backlash.

Time will tell, I guess.

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January 25, 2007

Pigs, Stars Wars, and Chinese Muslims

Here is a present to our friends in Xiajang province, who the Chinese government seems to fear so much that they have banned pigs from TV. Youtube is TV, right? Besides, it's the perfect video: pigs and Star Wars. more...

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January 19, 2007

Chinese Missile Destroys Satellite

There is concern that the Chinese have not only launched a missile to shoot down a satellite but, at the same time, they have launched a new weapons race. Just ducky.

From The Age:

The US State Department has confirmed that on January 12, China used a land-based ballistic missile to collide with its ageing satellite, which was orbiting 865 kilometres above the Earth.
The enormous forces involved smashed the satellite into tens of thousands of pieces, creating a mass of space debris.
China's move appears to have caught Western nations by surprise. Experts believe that China has been provoked into staging this very public demonstration of its capabilities by the US's insistence on creating its global anti-ballistic missile system, in which Australia is to play a part.
They fear China's feat will encourage other countries to follow suit, placing the world's transportation, navigation and communication systems at risk.

The Chinese have introduced the new field of anti-satellite warfare to counter the American global anti-ballistic missile system. So, in response to a U.S. defensive weapon, China develops a new offensive capability, while creating an orbit full of debris.

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1 Mike. I've been observing he Chineese space program too. Their craft while new has quite a bit of potential. Once proven it will be versitile and modular. Quite a neat little toy. I say this becuase well if they get there before us what's to stop them from claiming this or that. Once claims get started it could get very interesting. So far we are behind on our next generation plans. If China does intend to have a presence and a military capability we have to exceed theirs. It's important. Star Wars or that least Moon/Mars race/wars may come sooner than we think. Think of what this capability could do on earth as well as in the race for rare recources in space.

Posted by: Darth Odie at January 19, 2007 03:43 PM (2cR/Y)

2 Funny thing is that folks over at huffpost are blaming our foreign policy for that, taking a rather forgiving view of China for its new missile technology. I guess it doesn't occur to some people that maybe for the Chinese, it's all just about proving to us and the rest of the world who's got the big alpha penis now. Middle Kingdom mentality and all, you know...

Posted by: Northern Cross at January 19, 2007 04:18 PM (Jwdal)

3 they have launched a new weapons race.

Here we go again. I wonder how much of that technology they got from Bill Clinton.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 19, 2007 04:35 PM (8e/V4)

4 Hmphhhh.......the liberals in the US are proud of all Chinese military accomplishments, and are banking on the Chinese saving them from the evil conservatives in their own country. If this is not an indication that liberalism is a mental illness, I don't know what is.

Posted by: templar knight at January 19, 2007 04:55 PM (qmQtL)

5 Good point, Jesusland Carlos. That is exactly what happened. Clinton gave them billions of dollars worth of technology for a few measly millions in campaign contributions and under the table cash. He and Jimmy Carter are a pair. Both of them are in the pay of America's worst enemies. Shameful!

Posted by: templar knight at January 19, 2007 05:18 PM (qmQtL)

6 New race?! Had we listened to Ronnie 220years ago we would already have won the race. Ronnie once again was right! The liberal Republicans who give lip service to defending American are/were once again wrong.(of course in my opinion the lefty Republicans are *always* wrong - I admit to being conservative.)
We can all thank G. Bush the First who single handedly with Chappauidick Ted's help killed"Star Wars" 16 years ago. I guess I should give some credit to JFK who did vote against it and never for it.

Posted by: Rodney A Stanton at January 19, 2007 05:48 PM (4keLh)

7 not 220 but 22. Where is my secretary?

Posted by: Rodney A Stanton at January 19, 2007 05:56 PM (4keLh)

8 OMGZ!!!11111!
How can we have the moonbat "Gene Roddenberry" envisioned future like "Star Trek" if they weaponize space! these weapons should at least be set to "Stun"??

Seriously, this is a move to disable the United States ability to defend Taiwan - couple this with the Anti-Aircraft carrier warheads they have been experimenting with. Only a fool would not attack Taiwan while our hands are tied with Iraq, Iran, Syria and Afghanistan.

Posted by: davec at January 19, 2007 07:52 PM (yaQM4)

9 Of course Wal-Mart insists on purchasing everything from China giving them the money for their star wars.

There is a more important issue. We have counter the Chinese threat. They may have shot a missle into outer space but we opened the first drive-thru McDonald's in China today. Now we will see who wins the race. Chinese missles or the Big Mac attack. I'm betting on the big Mac.

Posted by: greyrooster at January 19, 2007 08:15 PM (w+w6p)

10 Here's the big secret.

It wasn't an anti-satellite missile.

It was supposed to be a new weather satellite.

There was a little flub at mission control, and so they've decided to take advantage of it.

Posted by: Remulak MoxArgon at January 19, 2007 09:17 PM (Es7Bo)

11 Hilarious. Another blustering attempt by China to convince an already bamboozled world into believing it really is a world power. Without American satelittes and space technology to connect it to the modern world, and American markets to dump its shitty manufactured goods in, China would fall back into the Dark Ages in a matter of days.

China is a joke. Its space program is a cosmetic joke. More than 90% of it's population wear homemade shoes and have no electricity. China cant even purify its fucking drinking water, or provide full time utility services to its capitol city, and we're supposed to believe it's a threat to American primacy?

China is a third rate middle power with a first rate PR team. Our own people--foolish business interests trying to sell goods and services to a billion penniless peasants, and leftist traitors that salivate over a communist triumph over the hated America--are helping to promote the fable of a China ascendant. Americans tend to be more gullible about China than any other country on the planet. Hell, China's best and brightest go to college here or in Canada--and never go home.

Their pathetic missile launch at a broken satellite in a rapidly deteriorating orbit was pure bravado. Meanwhile, America is still the only nation capable of putting a base on the moon, which is an eventuality that will be spurred on by just this type of bellicose behaviour on the part of the world's second and third stringers.

Carlos and Templar are right. We can thank Bill Clinton for China's missile technology, and moonbat nuts like Pule have posted comments on this very site calling for China to aid the left-wing "freedom fighters" in overthrowing the "evil neocon regime" in America. As always, leftist quislings are our most insidious enemy.

America almost certainly has orbital weapons platforms, and a weapons platform on the moon is next. Bush wants to see a base built on the moon, but he knows it cant happen under his Presidency.

America rules near space. We have no real competitors. I'm not worried about the organ harvesting, daughter drowning, peasant starving, urine drinking, Chinese party rulers. Those Crouching Tiger, Hidden Human Rights midget dicks don't have the nuclear capability to wipe out America, but America could wipe out China a hundred times over--and we should.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 19, 2007 09:44 PM (abVz3)

12 Jeff:
This is all in preparation to confront us in Naval warfare over Taiwan:

They suggest that certain cutting-edge technologies are likely to first be applied to naval warfare.”
They point out how China could adopt several asymmetrical approaches to defeating a larger and
more powerful navy. These approaches include disabling the more powerful navy by attacking its
space-based communications and surveillance systems and even attacking naval units from space.
Shen writes, "The mastery of outer space will be a prerequisite for naval victory with outer space
becoming the new commanding heights for naval combat." Ships at sea will carry out anti
reconnaissance strikes against space satellites and other space systems. “The side with
electromagnetic combat superiority will make full use of that Assassin's Mace weapon to win naval
victory.” They believe that direct attacks on naval battlefields will become possible from outer space
because “naval battle space is going to expand unprecedently.”

That particular quote by Captain Shen Zhongchang , was made in 1996.
The people might be poor, but that didn't stop Russia being a threat, either.

Posted by: davec at January 19, 2007 10:29 PM (yaQM4)

13 Davec:

You called it. The intenions of China, I mean. Remember. America used to worry about Soviet capability, until we found out they were hopelessly incompetent all along.

China is a thousand times more incompetent than the Ruskies ever were. Their EM pulse cannons are light years behind ours, and they're way too fucking stupid to have developed sheilding from them.

America will deatroy China eventually. I just hope I live to see the day.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 20, 2007 01:12 AM (abVz3)

14 Jeff:
China's plan is not to destroy us with conventional warfare, because lets face it that is not going to turn out well for them. Their plan is to turn technology against us by detonating HERF/EMP weapons to disable U.S Destroyers AEGIS capabilities, once this occurs they can fly their junk pile planes, and chug their diesel submarines into the kill zone. Same with the Satellite killing vehicles they have launched, they think by blinding us, we'll be like a punch drunk (heavy-weight) boxer flailing around looking for something to hit. One of their plans it to "leapfrog" technology, instead of designing weapons that are twenty-years behind us, like Tanks etc, they want to create laser weapons, multi-warhead missiles etc.

Fortunately, the Chinese are years behind us technology wise, and require Russia, Europe, Iran and even Israel to sell them engines, computer systems and military technology -- what they have done now is effectively green lighted the U.S national interest to weaponize space, to protect our communication networks.

We do need to keep an eye on China, because they are building up in the interest of confronting us on Taiwan to project both regional, and superpower status, that is undisputed their Generals have wrote as such.
I have no doubt they could defeat a Aircraft carrier fleet with "Sunburn" missiles, and HERF/EMP weaponry that close to China, the problem is of course is keeping up the tempo, and the initiative -- they have no Aircraft Carriers, no airlift capability to speak of, so they would be at the mercy of our own EMP/FCG based weaponry, thermo-baric bombs, and other assorted top-secret shit we bring out once a decade to beat someone back into the stone age with.

I like to beat the ol' chest, and say "America, Fuck Yeah!" like everyone else, but the days of conventional warfare is done. China will no more confront us on conventionally, than Hezbollah did Israel.

We need to either let Taiwan chose it's own path (bad idea) or spend much more money on the tools of war, which will not be possible under a liberal administration.

Posted by: davec at January 20, 2007 01:40 AM (yaQM4)

Jeff Bargholz has a point about the Chinese directed energy projects being behind. And I know we are well in advance in every other field except of course, having a hundred million reservists, or whatever it is now. Davec is on target, but I doubt the military planers will move on taiwan soon.

The J-10 fighter is unreliable, and they have only managed a few dozens in tewn plus years of development, and available information indicates there are no breakthrough desgn features. I recall they had to get SU-27's from the Russians, to have anything really new, and thats still only a few dozens.

Their home grown top of the line sub is still a desiel electric, so aggressive ASW operations can deal with them. I don't know what went wrong with that carrier incident, but I suspect it was similar to the Israeli ship that had it's defenses on standby when it took that missile a few months back. Ther is no reason to believe their sub capability is anywhere near as cool as that lucky' occurance would suggest.

I could go on, but lets sum up by saying that their core weapons systems are from the sixties. They are so dependent on our economy that getting back one little island isn't worth the cost in treasure if it can be done diplomatically. They are not arming to attack OUR interests. Thay are arming to secure the mainland against political economic rivals, and any threat to their resources. They don't need a modern army for that, and they have a reason to hope we will keep out of such conflicts when they occur.

China will eventually be a real space power, barring global catastrophy, and that will make things interesting, no doubt.

Frankly, I'm with Greyrooster, and believe that capitalism is going to win. It still won't look like our version for quite awhile.

USA, all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at January 20, 2007 02:06 AM (2OHpj)

16 Davec:

I agree with you. But China's ambitions overreach its capability. It will never provoke a confrontaion with America that is likely to end in humiliation and failure. Its desire to seize Taiwan is a half century old, and it still hasn't been acted on militarily.

America is the master of unconventional weaponry, and will be throughout the 21st century.

China's ambitions and risible war machine are fed by American markets. The day will come when America closes down the feeding trough.

Michael Weaver: China's space program is a bigger sham than the Russians' ever was. Not even Hilary Clinton could sabotage America's primacy in near space.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 20, 2007 10:57 PM (abVz3)

17 Maybe we can pay the commies to knock out satellites that broadcast Al-Manar and Al-Zawraa.

I don't know why everyone's getting upset. They destroy a satellite and their internet access will be shut off. Can you imagine the impact and addicted rage of over half a billion MMO gold farmers would do to a totalitarian establishment?

Posted by: MidnightSun at January 21, 2007 03:04 AM (6/tHL)

18 Jeff:
I wish we would create a lot more effective, but cheaper weaponry -- we always do not have the amount of the latest fighter plane, or the newest submarine because of the high price of R&D, manufacturing and testing.
That is one area the Communists excelled, they created inferior weapons, but lots and lots of them - expecting the ratio of 20:1 to take care of the technology mismatch.

Posted by: davec at January 21, 2007 03:36 AM (yaQM4)

19 America: GPS Satellites
China: Satellite-killing Rockets
America: 0, China: 1

America: Cheap plastic junk
China: Beaucoup Macs
America: 0, China: 2

China: Mules
America: Mustangs
America: 1, China: 2

China: Horny, lonely, perverted men surfing the Internet to jack-off to Caucasian beauties
America: Horny, lonely, perverted men surfing the Internet to buy Asian wives
America: 2, China: 2

China: 50 Nukes
America: 10,000 Nukes
America: 3, China: 2

We have a winner!

Posted by: MidnightSun at January 21, 2007 04:52 AM (6/tHL)

20 Yes the Chinese are probably 20 years behind, but it's a different behind that it used to be. Thngs move faster these days. I disagree that their space vehicle is crap. It is unproven. I see the potential of the three piece design they have. Especially if they can link the service modules to form larger structures. It may turn out to be junk but the concept is pretty solid.

We shoud be thinking about how to construct a ship that is constructed and stays in space.to move these new crewed exploration vehicles. The "space ship" is what we are missing. The space station should be used as a space station. Duh. If we don't shell out some bucks and get moving we may not stay far ahead for long.

Posted by: Howie at January 21, 2007 03:20 PM (2cR/Y)

21 Oh andI forgot to add 20 old rated tech is pretty damn good with enough money behind it.

Posted by: Howie at January 21, 2007 07:22 PM (2cR/Y)

22 The American space shuttles are more than 20 years old, and although they're outdated pieces of crap, they're still superior to anything the Chinese can build. The commies are a hell of lot more than 20 years behind us.

Americans don't want to spend money on NASA, and NASA is a black hole of outdated thinking. Even so, I haven't seen the Chinese come up with anything that will put them in our league.

China's only skills are making money on slave labor and convincing a gullible world that it's a superpower. I'm not too impressed with a culture that thinks drinking urine is therapeutic.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 21, 2007 07:48 PM (abVz3)

Estimated production of the F-35 will hit one complete fuselage per day, or about 365 per year, and that's not even considering that we are still producing other warplanes. China after ten years has about 20% (70?) planes of the SU-27, or J-10 type after about a decade of trying. Their other actual aircraft totals arent that impressive, and depend on designs from the Korean, and Vietnam war eras. We would own them in the air.

As for the cost of US equipment compared to Chinese equipment, It doesn't matter if an AK-47 is only a hundred dollars in Africa, if you don't have a hundred dollars to spend. Our economy can buy better, and stay numericaly even. That is why China will not be able to build the numbers needed to compete with our technological superiority. There is only one 'number' that they will always have an advantage in, and thats population. That DOES pose a threat. Men on the ground is the ultimate necessity in taking territory.

A vet once told me that China entered the Korean war, by handing a rifle and twelve bullets to each of about a million men, and aimed them south. When the wave had reached his AA positions, they had largely ran out of bullets, and thousands surged forward using bayonets. They had already set their positions to blow, so the Chinese wouldn't capture equipment.

He took a bayonet thrust through his leg as he climbed onto the back of one of the last trucks out of there, and he got the guy to let go by emptying his Govt .45 into the guys face. Basically the Chinese were attacking with 'spears' on that part of the line. Like we also discussed once earlier, even rocks are deadly weapons, if you have enough healthy people throwing them.

But in Asia, human life is as cheap as the rice it takes to feed them, and at a man to man level, fancy only goes so far. If ten guys charge you, and only three reach you alive, your still in a world of hurt. Since we don't want to take out China, that isn't our problem. Since China can't reach us, that isn't our problem. Since everywhere else in Asia has a huge population, if China wants to tip the scales against THEM, it will only need to compete technologically with THEM, and they just need to find a way to keep us from taking sides.

Because we can break all of their toys without putting boots on the ground. We could, and if really forced to, we could kill their economy in a matter of days if we use all our NEWEST toys. They would be down to rice, and spears in pretty short order, of that I'm fairly certain.

They can get into space, and I believe they feel it is a matter of National destiny, and pride to do so. Their technology can be 40 years old, and still accomplish this. BUT they can't do it all at once.

Becoming a new superpower will depend on their economy, and that revolves around US. Walmart alone, is one of their largest export markets. Picture what any war involving the US, would do to that market. Picture what 48 hours of airstrikes on Iranian port, and oil facilities could do to their (China's) economy. They are tangled up, and that is a good thing.

We are more godlike in global terms that we often realize, and that is why others are so afraid of us. It's why Islam is after US, because we can stop the Jihad, if we get our act together. It's why Europe whines about us doing the right thing when it screws with their oil deals. It's why the left has to keep finding things to complain about, because they can't pull an elitist power shift if we are obviously on top. If we're the best, why change? So the left is scared of our power as well.

I think China knows which way the wind blows if war comes. They will play politics instead. We kind of suck at that lately, so it's a good idea for them to stick to it.

Ok, so that's my opinion, and have a good one.

USA, all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at January 22, 2007 08:59 PM (2OHpj)

24 Michael Weaver:

A fanciful billion Chinese soldiers cant be sustained by incompetent Chinese logistics.

Soldiers have to be fed, clothed and supported.

China couldn't support a children's crusade.

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Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 23, 2007 01:46 AM (abVz3)

"Soldiers have to be fed, clothed and supported.

China couldn't support a children's crusade"

I agree with you to a point. Against their physical neighbors they could do quite well in terms of a total war. Napoleon had his troops forage off the land to avoid slow supply trains, and this is one of the secrets to his success. If you have the moral vacuum to wage a total war, and strip the land as you advance, you will supply yor army, and starve the resistance all at the same time. That is consistant with brutality, and expediency that we have already seen from countries like China, before. I see no reason they would do this in the absence of a genuine threat to their existence.

Like I said, they need our economy as well, and we CAN break all their toys if we needed to do so. I don't see China as a threat to the US, or anyone they know that we would fight to defend. Frankly, I believe they have not tried to conquer North Korea, less because of political kinship, than because it would put them immediately at odds with South Korea, and the US.

Anyway. I think we agree China has a lot of catching up to do, and it'll be awhile.

USA, all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at January 24, 2007 04:32 AM (2OHpj)

26 sort urselves out not everything is about america, u need to stop eating all that growth hormone beef and check ur testosterone levels out. You are a bunch of scary fundamentalist.

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January 10, 2007

Chinese Attack Terrorist Camp

(Northwest China) The Chinese government confirmed that a secret Islamic terrorist training camp within its borders has been attacked by Xinjiang Province Police. Eighteen terrorists were killed and 17 were captured in fierce fighting. The camp was operated by the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM), linked to al Qaeda and listed by the U.S. as an Islamic terrorist group.

From The Australian via John Ray:

It was the first time that China had announced the discovery of such a camp in its territory. Officials said that they had uncovered links between the activists and international terrorist groups, hinting at connections to al-Qa'ida.
The clash in the Pamir mountains on Friday was one of the deadliest for years in the restive Xinjiang Uighur autonomous region, where 8.5 million Muslims make up most of the population. One policeman was killed and a second wounded.

I'd suggest that the Chinese have many more problems with Muslim terrorists than have been reported.

UPDATE by Rusty: We've been warning about this for some time. I have seen several videos of Chinese Muslims fighting in both Afghanistan (for the Taliban) and in Xinxiang province. Here is the website of the East Turkistan Information Center, the propaganda arm of the ETLO (East Turkistan Liberation Organization). The goal of the ETLO is the ousting of the Han Chinese dominated communist government in Beijing, and the restoration of the short-lived independent Islamic Republic of East Turkistan--an Islamist state that predates Iran by over forty years.

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THAT'S THE 6 UNFORGIVABLE SINS OF GEORGE W BUSH:

1 â€“ In 2001, he didnâ€™t attack Islamism as the real enemy in 11 of September. Nothing did for stop the islamfascists of ACLU and CAIR destroy christianism and force the students to swallow the Islamic shit in the classrooms. And still permits islamonazists publications which prepare the war against the population disseminated by the Saudi Arabia in libraries of mosques, streets and bookstores for American muslims, preaching the destruction of America with anti-American antichristian, anti-Jewish, misogynistic, jihadist and supremacist ideology. Obvious: Bush family has oil business with the Saudi real family. Can we trust in a leader sharing interests with the enemy?

2 â€“ In 2002, he didnâ€™t denounce the responsibility of the government Clinton for CIA errors that enabled the 11 of September. The investigator of the Department of Defense that was following a trail that would have avoided the attack, the lieutenant-colonel Tony Shaffer, simply was prevented of pass the information to the FBI, that like this could not dismantle the Al-Qaeda cell. It stopped why? Because former president Clinton centralized the straight control of all the organs of security and blocked deliberately the communications among them. CIA, FBI and other agencies then were driving parallel inquiries about the illegal funds of given campaign to the candidate Clinton by the Chinese army one and the subsequent favors that the very grateful president lent to the service of Chinese espionage. Without exchange of information, the investigators did not be able to join the threads of the story line.

3 â€“ In 2003, he did not announce that the weapons of destruction of Saddam Hussein were found. They are more of 500 â€“ enough for kill for poisoning the inhabitants of some twenty American cities. Republican senator Rick Santorum, using of the privileges of the Freedom of Information Act, obtained from the military secret service the complete relation. Reporter Richard Miniter already to have revealed the existence of those weapons, in its book "Disinformation: 22 Average Myths that Undermine the War on Terror". The strange point in the episode is that senator Santorum has had of pull out by force an information that Bush government should be screaming in all the media.

4 â€“ In 2004, he did not condemn UNO by the scandal of corruption in the Oil by Food Program, involving Saddam Hussein and Koffi Annan and his son Kojo, and the governments of countries as France, Russia, Germany, China... and others crimes of the UNO, that became the worst enemy of the U.S.A. by the simple fact that it shelters or protects all the anti-American and terrorist dictatorships in its Commissions.

5 â€“ In 2005, he did not defend himself neither attacked the Democrats responsible by the calamity of the hurricane Katrina: the governor of Louisiana, Kathleen Blanco, and the mayor of New Orleans, Ray Nagin.

6 â€“ AND in 2006, was discovered that he, as a member of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) signed an agreement for dissolve the borders between the U.S.A., Canada and the Mexico, practically eliminating the American nation as an independent political unit. The idea already was old, but then a citizen appealed to the Freedom of Information Act, obliging the government it divulge the documents about the matter. Then already there was conservatives openly calling Bush "treacherous". The report can be read in the site <a>http://cfr.org</a>.

Posted by: Ernesto Ribeiro at January 10, 2007 05:21 PM (632Bu)

2 Wow! It is tough to say anything after reading Ernesto's brilliant prose.
In any case, this points up the difference between the Chinese and American approaches to counter-terror operations. We require our soldiers to get command approval (sometimes in Washington, D.C.) to kill the bad guys. The Chinese army already has that approval, and no problems with "collateral damage."

Posted by: olddawg at January 10, 2007 10:28 PM (BvIuO)

3 And my rommate made fun of me for playing an "unrealistic" game when I played Command and Conquer: Generals, because he said the jihadis would never bug China.

Posted by: Ranba Ral at January 11, 2007 02:16 AM (VvXII)

4 The commie chinks will end up doing more to combat terrorism than we ever will, because while weak, they have no morals, scuples or conscience.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 11, 2007 01:21 PM (abVz3)

5 You nailed it Jeff, and what's more, their weakness is our strength.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 11, 2007 01:49 PM (6zYAC)

6 From what I read about what the Chinese do to their Turkic minorities, they treat people from the Muslim ethnic groups (including the innocent ones) even worse than how they treat Falun Gong types. Not that I support the Islamic terrorists, but the Chinese administrators and military guys who handle the western provinces will burn in hell for their crimes.

Posted by: NorthernCross at January 11, 2007 01:51 PM (YAUPn)

7 NorthernCross:

Just so long as they send the islamopithecines to Hell first.

It's not like abusing koranimal minorities will be the only thing that dooms the chinks to Hell. They treat all minorities like shit. They even treat their fellow "Han Chinese" like shit. If there is a Hell, the organ harvesting, peasant raping, urine drinking Chinese party officials are already booked for their stay in eternity.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 11, 2007 03:33 PM (abVz3)

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October 23, 2006

China's Blog Real Name System

Predictably, the communist Chinese government will soon require real name registration for bloggers. Pseudonyms will not be allowed.

From Xinhuanet.com:

With widespread online rumor saying China will implement a blog real name system, the Internet Society of China (ISC) has clarified that so far the Ministry of Information Industry has not officially made any related policies.
However, a real name system will be an unavoidable choice if China wants to standardize and develop its blog industry, Huang Chengqing, ISC secretary general, told Xinhua on Sunday.

Blog industry? What's that?

The ISC, affiliated to the Ministry of Information Industry, was entrusted by the ministry to form a blog research panel to provide solutions for the development of China's blog industry.
"We suggest, in a recent report submitted to the ministry, that a real name system be implemented in China's blog industry," Huang said.
[ ... ]
Huang said the foundation of the blog real name system is an equilibrium between freedom and responsibility. "There exists no freedom without any abstention, and to limit also benefits the further development of this industry."
He said the system they have recommended is a background real name system, which requires bloggers provide their real names and other real information when applying for a blog but allows them to use pseudonyms in their blog articles.

So, let me see if I understand this scheme correctly. Bloggers will enjoy an equilibrium between freedom and responsibility by providing their real names and other "real" information to the ChiComs who, by the way, have been directly responsible for the deaths of millions of citizens.

Freedom and responsibility? Yeah, right! Only useful idiots will be fooled by this blatant ploy to censor Internet content by controlling, and eliminating when necessary, the individual bloggers.

Come on! You didn't think the communists would ever really allow free speech, did you?

Companion post at Interested-Participant.

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May 06, 2006

Chinese Sex Toys

I always suspected those Chinese thumb handcuffs had an alternative purpose. But I was thinking sinister, not sexy.

Simon:

The Chinese are much more adventurous than Europeans and Americans when it comes to sex toys, said Wu Hui , chairman of Wenzhou Adam and Eve Health Products. "It's strange. Among the countries we export to - developed countries in Europe and the Americas - they like simplicity. In China, they want more functions."

Throw another one of my preconceptions out the window!

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April 20, 2006

Mr. Hu Jintao Free Hao Wu

Today's visit by the Chineese head of State also marks the 58th day of this bloggers captivity. According to Chineese law that's illegal.

Washington Post reporter Rebecca MacKinnon: He (Hao Wu) continues to be held -- this is the 58th day of his detention -- despite the fact that Chinese law limits the maximum detention without charge to 37 days.

Hat Tip: Glenn Reynolds Via Instapundit..

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March 20, 2006

'Ha Ha America': Chinese Film Mocks America at Sundance

Talk about a lost in translation moment! Here is a film at the Sundance Film Festival Website with the title Ha ha America. The theme of the film seems to be something like, "America sucks, China rules." You can check out a few vidcaps from it here. Funniest part:

China giant booming...like lady detectives...with swollen testicles

Scariest part?

China's Revolution...flow over the world

Via Vlad who adds:

China, you parasites, sucking our blood like leech. Human rights? Donâ€™t speak nonsense.

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1 Anti-American? Liberals will swoon over this one.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 20, 2006 12:58 PM (8e/V4)

2 Im chinese. came to america 17 years ago. this is DISGRACE!!! FCUK THE COMMUNIST NATIONS ESPECIALLY CHINA...

and screw ang lee

Posted by: Billy Faeth at March 20, 2006 02:07 PM (qmpZ1)

3 ha ha ha

What lousy photography! Great shots of incredible smog - must be a city there somewhere.

Oh - the very small bit about "communist revolution flowing .... " that's actually a required anemic throw-in to meet some obscure govt reg ... kinda like the "just say no to drugs" campaign years past.

Its nothing more than a rather amaturish economic booster type promo - what its doing at Sundance is beyond me!

Posted by: hondo at March 20, 2006 02:16 PM (9pQ6D)

4 Let me extend a belated "welcome to America" Billy.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 20, 2006 02:23 PM (0yYS2)

5 ha ha CHINKS...

Posted by: Billy Faeth at March 20, 2006 02:56 PM (qmpZ1)

6 Billy:
What is your site: http://www.xanga.com/ansar_al_eisa
referencing "The Defender/Protector" of? I find many references to terrorist organizations with the "Ansar al" in their name (Sunna/Islam/etc) the only reference I can find to Eisa is:
Tell el-Eisa Hill, near El Alamein in Egypt, site of a cemetery for those who died in the battles
I see you said 'Jesus' but do not see any reference to it, could you provide one?

Posted by: davec at March 20, 2006 03:07 PM (CcXvt)

7 The Chinese want to rule the world, but don't seem to be aware that aiming your camera directly at the sun doesn't lend itself to award winning cinematography (unless you compensate with some America-bashing I suppose). I love the image used to illustrate how "China move fast": a tug pushing a barge. I wonder if any of the anti-America crowd will have a problem with the statement: "China surpass America as world bully"? That doesn't sound promising.

Posted by: Graeme at March 20, 2006 03:21 PM (xvDHS)

8 It reminds me of an episode of one of my favorite TV shows, News Radio. The radio station owner had a book republished into Japanese. Here's a part of a book reading he did on the show...

Mr. James: "The original title of this book was 'Jimmy James, Capitalist Lion Tamer' but I see now that it's... 'Jimmy James, Macho Business Donkey Wrestler'... you know what it is... I had the book translated in to Japanese then back in again into English. Macho Business Donkey Wrestler... well there you go... it's got kind of a ring to it don't it? Anyway, I wanted to read from chapter three... which is the story of my first rise to financial prominence... I had a small house of brokerage on Wall Street... many days no business come to my hut... my hut... but Jimmy has fear? A thousand times no. I never doubted myself for a minute for I knew that my monkey strong bowels were girded with strength like the loins of a dragon ribboned with fat and the opulence of buffalo... dung. ...Glorious sunset of my heart was fading. Soon the super karate monkey death car would park in my space. But Jimmy has fancy plans... and pants to match. The monkey clown horrible karate round and yummy like cute small baby chick would beat the donkey."

Question: "Mr. James, what did you mean when you wrote bad clown making like super American car racers, I would make them sweat, War War?"

Mr. James: "Well, you know... it's LIKE when a clown is making like a car... racer... it's sorta... like... the FCC. The CLOWN... the clown is like the FCC... and I was opposed to the FCC at the time, right? So it was like I was declaring War. WARRRR!"

Question: "So then did the American yum yum clown monkey also represent the FCC?"

Mr. James: "Yeah, it did. Thanks a LOT!"

Question: "What did you mean when you said, "Feel my skills, donkey donkey donkey, donkey donkey?"

Mr. James: *Sigh*

Posted by: Vonski at March 20, 2006 03:31 PM (aJDow)

9 This video reminds me how I must learn to buy American. Is it just me or do the Chinese seem like the Borg. Also those cities look like real shitholes - Ha Ha China - no thanks.

Posted by: Lauel at March 20, 2006 03:43 PM (o6MGI)

10 Lauel:
The problem is of course, people do not want to pay the price it costs for American labor, to build a product. They like the cheap product, that was built with cheap labor. Like my friend who talks about Mexican's stealing jobs in the U.S, but doesn't want to pay the $50.00 for an American company to maintain his lawn, he pays a team of Mexicans $20.00 to cut it.
The only way to encourage a strong American workforce, is to forgo tempting cheap foreign products, and pay the going price for American made products.

Posted by: davec at March 20, 2006 03:56 PM (CcXvt)

11 Panama Still using 80 year old american equipment to run canal. Panamanian guy using equipment said, "Built Right". NPR this AM. I'm afraid that even a lot things that are still made here just are not made to last like they should be.

Posted by: Howie at March 20, 2006 04:02 PM (D3+20)

12 I agree with DaveC. Nearly everything is made in Asia now, with China the most prominent producer. It is a situation created by penny-pinching westerners and I'm as guilty as the next person. As for quality, it has long gone...unless you are loaded.

Posted by: Jester at March 20, 2006 04:15 PM (QKZX5)

13 Screw China! In the 80's Japan was going to take over the World. Now China! I don't think so, the VAST majority(80%) of the people in China live in extreme poverty. They have a long way to go just to raise the standard of living in China to acceptable levels even for China.

Posted by: jesusland joe at March 20, 2006 04:15 PM (rUyw4)

14 Joe:
Indeed, I think China will eventually befall the fate of Russia. It stands to reason you can only keep your population suppressed, poor and ignorant while they have nothing to compare it too, this is why globalization of information via Television, and the Internet are a threat to China, they promise something better.

Posted by: davec at March 20, 2006 04:23 PM (CcXvt)

15 Did anyone catch the special on CNN re: Energy?
They cited that one in seventy people in China have a car and they're already number two behind the U.S in oil needs?

If anyone wants to see some real "War for oil" get ready for when one in twenty Chinese households has access to a car.

Posted by: dave at March 20, 2006 04:27 PM (CcXvt)

16 By the time the Chinese actually become a global business power, they will have Westernized to the point of no return, because business is always more profitable than war, and nobody does business like us. Besides, according to some statistics which I'm too lazy to look up, I believe there are more Christians than Communist party members in China now, so the threat will likely never truly emerge.

Footnote: I've had two plates of spaghetti with Italian sausage, and two glasses of wine, so maybe I'm making sense, and maybe I'm not.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 20, 2006 05:40 PM (0yYS2)

17 hey davec

the Islamic word for Jesus is "Isa" >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isa However some people spell it Eisa. The Christian way of saying Jesus is "Yesu"

but i used Eisa to make a point which you probably read on my xanga...anyways. Either way Eisa = Jesus

here is a forum where his name is spelled with "E" just google it "Eisa Jesus" you will find many

anyways take care!...

...and death to China, and death to Hu Jintao.

read epochtimes to get to know the real China.

I disagree with the religious views and spiritual ideals of the Falun Gong, but i think they get the idea politically.

i espeically love that simpsons episode on China

>> http://www.xanga.com/item.aspx?user=TaiwanIndependence&tab=weblogs&uid=283549735 <<

HAHAHHA see pic and plot outline

Posted by: billy faeth at March 20, 2006 06:15 PM (1eUPU)

18 I think you're making sense, IM, but I liberally doused my vegetable soup with Texas Champagne(that's D.L. Jardine's hot sauce to you uninitiated), and my whole head is on fire. So maybe not.

Posted by: jesusland joe at March 20, 2006 06:18 PM (rUyw4)

19 http://www.f*xnews.com/story/0,2933,188364,00.html

why dont you hear Amnesty Internation and A.N.S.W.E.R and the A.C.L.U out rage over this? THIS SHOULD be front page and top news

Posted by: billy faeth at March 20, 2006 06:23 PM (1eUPU)

20 If China is so strong, why can't they take a little Island they lay claim to. I remember, it is the 100 F16s, and I think the 7th fleet.

Go Navy!

Posted by: Leatherneck at March 20, 2006 06:39 PM (D2g/j)

21 Leatherneck:
It could also be that before their weapon dealings with Russia, China was ill-prepared for an invasion of Taiwan.
Analysts used to refer to the invasion of Taiwan by China as "The million man swim" because China did not have the logistical means to get soldiers on the ground, this has all changed since the Russia-China military alliance.

Posted by: davec at March 20, 2006 07:00 PM (CcXvt)

22 I can understand that point of view davec, However, I do not believe anything can make it across that channel while the United States has a strong Navy close by. Maybe I am wrong, but I do not think so.

Posted by: Leatherneck at March 20, 2006 08:12 PM (D2g/j)

23 Indeed Leatherneck, China recognizes our power, but this is why they're buying technology that will attempt to defeat it. I read an interesting article on some of the technology they're attempting to acquire, or have acquired:
Chinese dragon awakes

They have been buying missile technology that specifically is used to sink Aircraft carriers, there are only a few militaries in the world that would affect.

Posted by: davec at March 20, 2006 08:38 PM (CcXvt)

24 The SUNDANCE FILM FESTIVAL isnt that one held by robert RED ford?

Posted by: sandpiper at March 20, 2006 08:51 PM (JtcRt)

25 The film is not the Chinese mocking the US. That's an American film. It was made a leftie US director and writer who is basically a pushing a protectionist message with the use of bad 'Chinglish' (which he wrote). "American film mocks China at Sundance" would be closer to the mark.

Posted by: myrick at March 21, 2006 05:09 AM (5rGIZ)

26 myrick

More info please. My original take was it was some internal economic promo with lousy translation slipped into the Festival by odd accident.

Your explanation sounds extremely plausible. Sundance has an agenda - so who is being played here and for what purpose.

Posted by: hondo at March 21, 2006 08:42 AM (9pQ6D)

27 I may be wrong, but I think a lot of people are misreading China's military buildup. To the Chinese, how they are perceived is very important, this is the concept of "face", i.e. "saving face", "losing face", etc.. They know that as long as they cannot project military power, they will never be taken seriously by the US, but I believe that they understand that they cannot win a direct confrontation with us, and such a war would be catastrophic. Of course, the old, bitter, hateful, die-hard Communists probably don't care, but they are a dying minority; the future of China lies with the businessman and woman, not with the soldier, and besides, starting a war with their best customer isn't exactly the brightest idea, because their economy would collapse within weeks of the outset of hostilities.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 22, 2006 06:03 AM (0yYS2)

28 It should become a big hit in SAN FRANCISCO and CUBA and maybe it will get a oscar in next years accademy awards or perhaps a golden globe

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February 16, 2006

Being Evil

Google Code of Conduct:

Our informal corporate motto is "Don't be evil." We Googlers generally relate those words to the way we serve our users â€“ as well we should. But being "a different kind of company" means more than the products we make and the business we're building; it means making sure that our core values inform our conduct in all aspects of our lives as Google employees.

Congress grills Internet execs on China policies:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. lawmakers lashed out at Google Inc. and other prominent Internet companies on Wednesday, with one Democrat questioning "how your corporate leadership sleeps at night" because of the companies' alleged complicity in human rights abuses by the Chinese government.
"Your abhorrent activities in China are a disgrace. I simply do not understand how your corporate leadership sleeps at night," said Rep. Tom Lantos, the ranking Democrat on a House International Relations subcommittee on human rights.

A bill to be introduced by Republican Chris Smith would make it illegal for Google or other US companies to continue to abet repressive regimes like Communist China.

Also posted at The Dread Pundit Bluto and Vince Aut Morire.

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1 Cool... does the same apply to companies doing business in Saudi Arabia too? /rhetorical

Posted by: Ariya at February 16, 2006 12:25 AM (uxW3N)

2 As to how they sleep at night, what was traded years ago in the name of "good business" is how. Moral fiber is a term known to have very short and ever changing limits. The money is our God like no other theme, simply ID's the whore for what it is and now you know the price of Google's services----today.

Posted by: forest hunter at February 16, 2006 12:40 AM (Fq6zR)

3 I used to work for one of those companies.

Now, I sleep well at night.

Posted by: Russ at February 16, 2006 12:58 AM (utsLN)

4 Ariya do you always answer JawaReport posts with a scatter gun?
It isn't anything to do with Corporations doing business in foreign countries, but the ethics of the things they do to stay there:

Yahoo provided electronic records to Chinese authorities that led to an eight-year prison sentence for writer Li Zhi in 2003.

Smith used a laptop to show how a search for "Tiananmen Square" on www.google.com turned up images of tanks and carnage from the 1989 army killings while entering the same term in the new Chinese site led to pictures of smiling tourists.

Less of course you are citing a specific event with a U.S Corporation and Saudi Arabia that you forgot to reference?

Posted by: dave at February 16, 2006 01:12 AM (CcXvt)

5 I'd much rather a business regulate itself than by these moralizing hypocrites but no matter, there is no principle.

Posted by: Javapuke at February 16, 2006 02:12 AM (VOGUE)

6 Self regulation requires ethics, and only works when there are no liberals involved in running a business, because they have none, and see no problem with helping jail innocent people for a buck or two. Every day their own actions show that liberals should all be ground up for dog food.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 16, 2006 05:14 AM (0yYS2)

7 I don't know about that, Maxie. I would rather my dog eat gar or carp rather than ground-up liberal. Of course, that's just me, and my dog is a Golden Retriever, and she is pretty particular about what she eats. Ground-up liberal would be perfect for fertilizer!

Posted by: jesusland joe at February 16, 2006 10:26 AM (rUyw4)

8 Maxie

Some of us care a lot about our pets!

Posted by: hondo at February 16, 2006 05:53 PM (fyKFC)

9 Don't be evil? All that's missing is "Be good" and a flower pot! Both childish and stupid. Maybe they believe you can't be evil unless your wearing a Darth Vader mask and a nazi armband.

Does leave open an immense gray area, doesn't it? - for goggle to play word games with.

Posted by: hondo at February 16, 2006 05:58 PM (fyKFC)

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January 28, 2006

Maybe Google Isn't That Evil

Google is being bashed for cooperating with Chinese communist authorities to restrict what Chinese citizens are allowed to search for on the web. I'm certainly no fan of the liberal establishment that runs Google, (and awards "newsite" status to obvious Islamist propaganda sites) but, fair is fair.

Junkyard Blog correctly points out the surreal tranquility of the images obtained by a Chicom Google search for "tiananmen"

However, if you click on the Chinese character at the left above the search window (which probably corresponds to "Web"), you find this link, which contains a number of violent images of the Tiananmen Square Massacre, including this one: more...

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1 I think Rusty forgot to put in the link to my post...

Posted by: Rob at January 28, 2006 11:56 PM (hE/Jv)

2 I'd say that one just slipped through. Google is run by liberals, and it's well known that liberals will bend over backward to accomodate communists, muslims, and other psychopathic murderers, so this was probably just an anomaly.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 29, 2006 09:41 AM (0yYS2)

3 Google is afaid the dragon will eat it

Posted by: sandpiper at January 30, 2006 09:29 AM (A2P9P)

4 It's also been noted on several other blogs, including this one, that you can circumvent Google China's filters by misspelling "Tiananmen".

Posted by: Joshua at January 30, 2006 01:18 PM (2c7xL)

5 Bleeding heart chinese liberals!

Posted by: Yes at February 09, 2006 09:31 PM (/l+Iz)

6 China is completely short-sighted about this. What they are also blocking is the truth about TAM that can dispell one of the biggest propaganda that hundreds/thousands of helpless students were killed on TAM grounds.

IMO if people ever know the truth that most of the death came from "student supporters" violently battling and rioting on the streets leading to TAM, they would have to consider China's delima and choices.

http://www.cjr.org/archives.asp?url=/98/5/tiananmen.asp

"as far as can be determined from the available evidence, no one died that night in Tiananmen Square."

http://www.earnshaw.com/memoirs/content.cfm?ID=16

"Most of the killing did not take place on or near the Square, that is clear."

Like Kent State, Ruby Ridge, Waco, people were killed. Even the Chinese government published fatality count (in-line with our own NSA estimate) admitting that. It's a sad and regretable episode in China's history, and it'll take a long time for them to come to terms with it - on their own terms. (as a comparison it took our Senate over 100 yeras to unofficially apologize for condoning lynching, and no official apology for Vietnam eventhough we killed over 10 million people in SE Asia over 12 years. And of course, our current government/self censorship on Iraq.)

US government's recored on human rights abuse is far from prestine, in some respects worse than China. Yet only the few most militant minority would support the federal building bombers by accusing the US government of being an oppressive, facist regime.

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January 25, 2006

Google Bows to Beijing

(San Francisco) When Google opened a research office in Beijing last year, the obvious purpose was to convince the communist government that the company could adequately deny Chinese citizens access to information. Well, guess what? Google succeeded.

From Reuters:

"In order to operate from China, we have removed some content from the search results available on Google.cn in response to local law, regulation or policy," Andrew McLaughlin, Google's senior policy counsel, said in a statement.
"While removing search results is inconsistent with Google's mission, providing no information (or a heavily degraded user experience that amounts to no information) is more inconsistent with our mission."
Google, known for its "Don't do evil" mantra, is developing its China approach as it seeks to strike a balance between the freedom of information it champions and the censorship demanded by Beijing, which controls access to China's 111 million Internet users.

John Palfrey, an Internet censorship investigator, estimated that tens of thousands of search terms will be blocked to Chinese Web users. However, according to Rebecca MacKinnon of the Berkman Center for Internet & Society, if the average Chinese user is adequately informed of the censorship, "That is defiantly a significant step toward transparency and honesty with the users." I think MacKinnon is justifying Google censorship in China by indicating it's a "foot in the door."

One question that hasn't been answered thus far is whether Google will be providing information to the government about the users who search for censored information. Google has refused to comply with a similar request from the U.S. government.

Notably, Google will not offer email or blogging services until it can figure out how to strike a "balance between user interests and local conditions." Whatever that means.

Companion post at Interested-Participant.

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1 "Don't do evil."
Is censorship evil? It is my opinion that China is shooting itself in the foot by creating a huge sandbox for it's citizens to play in. The Chinese powers in charge want the best of both worlds. They want absolute control and they want an open and expanding market. Well, that is a tough balance.
China is a massive market. Companies cannot avoid it really. I have heard all kinds of estimates, but they all point to the fact that China will have immense economic influence from now on, regardless of their politics.

Kelly

Posted by: Kelly at January 25, 2006 07:41 AM (Dv2l6)

2 So, Google is against correcting flaws in their search engine that allows anti-conservative links to pop up like a summer storm. They are against helping law enforcement track down child porn sites. And now they fall in goose-step with a communist country that has murdered itâ€™s own people in cold blood for supporting democracy. All this going against there mantra of free, unbiased flow of information.

Up until this point, we were supposed to accept that all the bogus, conservative bashing, search result that Google digs up is a result of â€œother people manipulatingâ€ the search engine. This clearly shows that Googleâ€™s administration has other ulterior motives and that the â€œmanipulationâ€ isnâ€™t a random occurrence, but something more deliberate.

Whatâ€™s some good alternatives for search engines?

Posted by: JohnMc at January 25, 2006 07:45 AM (y+I+a)

3 Our grandkids will be using chop sticks and grinning over chop suey and there aint a damn thing anyone can do about it. China , the next superpower on the planet. We had our shot and couldn't keep the belt - the title fight wasn't even a close call, pretty much a 1st round knockout by China, since the cultural conglomerate called America didn't have the balls and gumption to look out for its own best interests, now pouting and sniveling and weak, the nation of service providers longs for the glory days that will never return... quite an obituary but to be expected when the individual's rights are equal to that of the collective

Posted by: goesh at January 25, 2006 09:35 AM (1w6Ud)

4 I guess I won't mention the 90's and the proclivity the last administration had toward all things Chinese. I would be accused of redirecting attention from the crimes of the McBushitlerchimpyburton conglomerate. But mention it I have.

Posted by: Oyster at January 25, 2006 09:58 AM (osKlJ)

5 I'm so glad we are fighting for freedoms in Iraq so that the very companies which benefit from that blood can go over to China and sell the benefits of that freedom for money. This goes all companies not just Google and Microsoft. It's absolutely repugnant.

Posted by: David at January 25, 2006 10:04 AM (BhVb3)

6 Goesh,

Wah..wah..wah....blah...blah...blah...I've been hearing this Chinese crap for 5 years now. The new superpower on the planet...the great hope of Europe, Africa, Asia, and the rest of the World. A counterbalance to America, a way to show those damn Yankees that they cannot control the World.

Well, I heard this same shit about Japan and the Asian Tigers(Taiwan, Korea, Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia, etc.) in the 1980's. The US was finished, the balance of power in the World was shifting to Japan, and the good times in the US were over.

You know what, we(the US of A) are still standing. Standing after all the small minds of the World want us knocked down, without realizing how stupid that is.

Did China rescue people and send emergency aid to the Indian Ocean nations hit by the tsunami? Who was the one nation in the World that got aid there quickly, efficiently, and had the helicopters, expertise, and will to save people's lives. Was it China? Hell, no. And I want to give credit to Australia and NZ for responding to the tsunami, but could they have responded if the disaster had been 7000 miles away? Where was the UN, the French, the British, the Belgiums, hell, the whole EU for that matter?

My point is this, one had better hope and pray that the US doesn't go away, because I wonder how many people in the World would die if we had to depend on China to feed the hungry of the World?

Posted by: jesusland joe at January 25, 2006 10:26 AM (rUyw4)

7 China as a growing superpower might be scary if the Commies were still solidly in charge, but there are now officially more Christians than Communists in China, and the Christians are pretty much the American Protestant variety, which means that ties between our countries should grow stronger with the passing of time. The Christianization of China, along with the fact that the Chinese are incredibly civilized people, despite the depredations of rectus' beloved Communism, and have possibly the oldest collective cultural memory on the planet, hints that a post-Communist China may be no more threatening, and no less beneficial to America's and the world's economy than post-war Japan.
Many people who have not read Sun-Tzu are afraid that China will attack us as soon as they feel capable, but the Chinese have read Sun-Tzu, and indeed tend to live their lives by his philosophy. The Chinese have never been needlessly aggressive, and Sun-Tzu says that to win without fighting is best, whereas to win after a long and costly war is least good. Why would China, now our largest trading partner, want to start a war with us? Wars of conquest destroy economies and cause generations of misery and suffering, both for the conquered and the conquerers, and the Chinese are too smart for that. Besides, they know they can buy and sell our leaders like pigs in the market, after all, they already bought one President of the US, and nobody cried foul, so why should they want war with us?
What's good for America is good for everyone else, and all the Chinese want is respect from other nations and prosperity, and if we give them one, and become their partner in the other, there should be no problems. The biggest stumbling block to full normalization of relations right now is Taiwan, and once a few more bitter old Communists have died out, that will be sorted out peacefully, and we can move forward to a more stable, peaceful world.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 25, 2006 11:16 AM (0yYS2)

8 Goggle does this for China because there's money to be made.

Goggle refuses the US Govt because its good PR with no risks - and there's money to be made.

Goggle is a whore.

Would like a discussion on Goggle's US refusal reference the porn thing - wish however it be expanded to include their direct and indirect dealings and relationships with ALL ADVERTISERS AND PROMOTERS! see it as a customer service issue - Goggle is a whore and in bed with a new form of spammin' for dollars.

Posted by: hondo at January 25, 2006 12:35 PM (3aakz)

9 Speaking of computer related whores, I saw on the news last night where Washington state is raising taxes again, despited a budget surplus. (There's a Communist, oops, I mean democrap in office, should we be surprised?) That's not the kicker though; Bill Gates' dad was interviewed for some reason, and he said that government creates wealth, therefore it has the right to take it away. He's pretty old, so maybe he'll croak soon and that'll be another dead Communis, but his son is firmly entrenched with the Chinese, and along with Google, are doing their best to repress freedom in the world's largest emerging economy, and help keep control in the hands of the ruthless elite. Kinda like how Microsoft does business. Birds of a feather flock together, they say.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 25, 2006 12:59 PM (0yYS2)

10 There is a very simple way to take care of Google, that piece of garbage company, and it is called this:
www.answers.com

Posted by: Steve Sharon at January 25, 2006 02:39 PM (qoUk5)

11 Try Altavista.com
Alltheweb.com
Dogpile.com

Posted by: Lonevoice at January 25, 2006 02:45 PM (a8/75)

12 IM - I too caught Gates' father on the tube last night. Either the guy is senile or stupid or both.

Posted by: Mike at January 25, 2006 03:04 PM (zeZwP)

13 He's neither - he just knows that wealth is nothing more that a vehicle to power and influence. Those who have power and influence can then poo hoo wealth - while looking for ways to maintain their power and influence. One way to maintain it is to insure others don't gather the wealth to challenge them.

And the ones who get squeezed and hosed? - the middle classes of course! The wealth and power crowd are secure - the poor and naive lib/left (non-affluent ones of course) are lulled into happiness - and the middle classes are handicapped and screwed.

Its an interesting system - it does provide the greatest good for the greatest number of people - but it is annoying.

Posted by: hondo at January 25, 2006 03:21 PM (3aakz)

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January 24, 2006

Billionaire Seeks Virgin Bride

Okay, I get the whole online dating thing. I get the whole advertising for a mate in the newspaper thing. But, if you advertise that you're a billionaire seeking a 'virgin', what do you think the chances are that the golddigger that responds will be, you know, a virgin? And, as the old line goes, "Darling, we've already established what you are. Now we're just discussing price."

Via Simon's World, an oddly candid story out of China's official English mouthpiece: more...

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January 12, 2006

Ladies and gentleman, Kim Jong Il has left the building

I saw over at AoSHQ that there were reports that North Korean dicatator's train had disappeared in China. WTF? I asked myself. Did someone pull the ol' Hans Brix shark-tank on his dictatorness?

Alas, I'm afraid it isn't so. Kim Jong Il has become the Elvis of the Far East. He's been spotted all over China, North Korea, and even Russia. And I'm afraid he's getting the rock star treatment in one Chinese city. Leading the Charge:

Chinese authorities took over a hotel in the southern city of Guangzhou on Thursday and barred public access amid rumors North Korean leader Kim Jong-il is making a secret visit.
Traffic was cordoned off several hundred meters (yards) from the White Swan Hotel and police and hotel staff stopped people from walking in.
"I am sorry, but the government has rented the whole hotel and in fact this morning we had to send our guests to other hotels," one employee told Reuters. "We will only open for regular business on the morning of the 16th."
Asked if any special visitors were staying at the hotel, she said: "We donâ€˜t know. We have not been told anything."
In Beijing, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Kong Quan told reporters he had "no information to offer" on Kimâ€˜s whereabouts.
Various media reports -- citing witnesses, diplomatic sources and those familiar with his movements -- have put Kim in Beijing or Shanghai. One source said he was in Russia.
Hong Kong reporters began flocking to Guangzhou, capital of Guangdong province, on rumors Kim was staying at the White Swan.

What next? A Jong Il, Hussein, Assad, Ahmadinejad reunion concert on the roof of the hotel? It's been done.

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December 09, 2005

Nuclear Prototype Map Seized in Chinese Spy Case

(West Milton, New York) A map of the Kesselring nuclear submarine prototype facility in the Adirondacks was found in the possession of a naturalized Chinese-American citizen during a search of his Southern California home.

From TimesUnion.com:

A defense contractor accused of sharing sensitive U.S. military information with the Chinese government had a hand-drawn map of the Kesserling (sic) nuclear reactor site in Milton among his possessions, according to federal court documents obtained by the Times Union.
A federal indictment and probable cause affidavit does not say how Chi Mak, a naturalized American citizen, got the map or what significance it has. But the map was among the items seized when federal agents executed a search warrant Oct. 28 on the Los Angeles-area home, office and vehicles of Mak, his brother Tai Mak, and both men's wives.
The map allegedly in his possession was the first of two recent security breaches of the 3,900-acre Kesselring site, operated by Knolls Atomic Power Laboratory. It's home to prototype nuclear reactors used in Navy submarines.

The other security breach has been described as hunters trespassing on restricted property. The hunters are under investigation by the feds.

Mak and his brother are being charged with failing to register as Chinese agents, which is punishable by up to 10 years in prison. In court papers, Chi Mak, an electrical engineer for a defense contractor, is accused of stealing computer discs with information about Navy hardware, including a new system for launching aircraft from aircraft carriers.
According to the original affidavit, Mak, 65, stole discs from defense contractor Power Paragon, where he was a lead engineer on a sensitive research project involving propulsion systems for Navy warships, as reported by The Associated Press.

It's alleged that Chi Mak's wife, Rebecca Laiwah Chiu, provided copies of the stolen information to Tai Wang Mak who was arrested at LAX, along with his wife, as they prepared to fly to China in October.

Interestingly, it seems these alleged spies focus on specific areas of technical data related to naval vessels and systems. I wonder how many previous times the group's members took trips to China.

Companion post at Interested-Participant.

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1 Agent Brown says the Chi-Coms intensively spy on American companies so they can copy the goods.

Posted by: Agent Smith at December 09, 2005 05:55 AM (QGUCa)

2 Why is China still on the "most favored nations" list? They've proven time and time again that their intentions are less than honorable here. This is another product of the fraternization with the Chinese which was quite prolific in the 90's.

Posted by: Oyster at December 09, 2005 06:06 AM (YudAC)

3 Just don't question his patriotism!

seriously can we execute this guy for being a traitor?
I bet they don't. what used to buy you a ride in the electric chair, now gets you a life sentence.

no wonder no ones scared of commiting treason anymore.

Posted by: dave at December 09, 2005 07:26 AM (CcXvt)

4 If anyone was ever punished anymore for treason, then Billary would have been shot long ago. Congress and the DoJ are derelict in their duty to presecute treason, and should all be arrested and hanged for collusion.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 09, 2005 09:54 AM (0yYS2)

5 Agent Jones warns Jester Maximus to stop sharpening knives and begin sharpening your brain.

Posted by: Agent Smith at December 09, 2005 06:33 PM (6LOUW)

6 The sleeping giant is waking up. When it is
fully awake it will join arms with Russia.
Clinton is responsible for the early wake
up.

Posted by: richocki at December 10, 2005 11:16 AM (N2eXG)

7 Original charges against Chi Mak et al have been dropped. Government's petition to hold without bail has been denied.

It seems the prosecution have lied on so many things, it's beginning to smell like another Wen Ho Lee.

- no classified document; not about weapons at all
- files were not encripted in music; It's zipped for size
- no such list from China asking for data
- map of Knolls Atomic Lab turned out to be a hotel map from an old visit
- wiretap showed Chi Mak had no interested in the broken down Mak ancestrial home in Hong Kong

With no charge to nail the sister in-law, prosecution have trumped up a "fake marriage" charge, insinuating she whored herself out. Shame on us America:

http://www.smdailyjournal.com/article_preview.php?id=51289

http://www.la[remove]times.com/news/local/la-me-chi19jan19,0,6387915.story

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September 30, 2005

U.S. Warns of Islamic Terror Threat in China

Now what was all that talk about no terrorism in China? The Jawa Report has been warning readers of the low-level Islamist insurgency in China's western Xinjiang province for some time. Called East Turkistan by its own people, Islamic militants in the area have ties to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network and are working to oust the communist Han Chinese and restore the brief lived Islamic Republic of East Turkistan--an Islamist state that predates Iran by over forty years.

In fact, after China's Strike Hard campaign of the early 1990s, aimed at wiping out the Islamic insurgency, many jihadi leaders fled to a neighboring country where they found safe haven and a network of like minded individuals willing and eager to supply them with arms and cash. Can you guess which country the fled to? Drumroll please.........

Afghanistan.

Khaleej Times:

The United States has warned American travellers to be vigilant against a terrorist attack in Chinaâ€™s restive northwestern region of Xinjiang after Beijing told police there to be prepared for danger.
The call came ahead of the 50th anniversary on Saturday of the establishment of Xinjiang as an autonomous region.
Muslim Uighur militants, whom Beijing calls terrorists or separatists, have been struggling for decades to make the remote region, formally established on Oct. 1, 1955, an independent state called East Turkestan.
â€œAmericans considering travel to the region and those already there should review their plans carefully, remain vigilant with regard to their personal security and exercise caution,â€ a message e-mailed from the US embassy in China said.
â€œTerrorists do not distinguish between official and civilian targets. Americans in remote areas or border regions where military or police authority is limited or non-existent could also become targets.â€ ...
The Public Security Ministry said earlier this month that more than 260 terrorist acts had been committed in Xinjiang in the past two decades, killing 160 and wounding 440. It labelled East Turkestan forces the main terrorist threat to China.

Rumors abound, though, that the official number of terrorist attacks by Islamic terrorists in China are vastly undercounted. There is a healthy debate going on over at Peking Duck's blog as to the accuracy of the numbers (via Simon World).

And, of course, Islam Online blames Chinese oppression on the troubles. So the Chinese fascists are oppressing the Islamist fascists? Talk about your Sophie's choice scenario.....

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1 LOL.
If this happens the Chinese response will make Abu Gharib look like a kids dream of Santa's toy factory.

Posted by: Dave at September 30, 2005 04:25 PM (JQjhA)

2 Yep, the choice would indeed be difficult, do I want my head severed in one fell swoop, or do I prefer the drip..drip..drip of the water torture? Decisions! Decisions!

Posted by: jesusland joe at September 30, 2005 04:28 PM (rUyw4)

3 Picture these hooded cowards with the crosshairs of a sniper rifle centering on their forehead and BANG,BANG,BANG their all dead

Posted by: sandpiper at September 30, 2005 05:32 PM (poF4d)

4 Is it just me or do these Islamic fellows just seemed pissed off wherever the hell they are?

Posted by: Brad at September 30, 2005 05:55 PM (3OPZt)

5 you can bet that the Red Army in China wont be as kind as the US forces concerning women and children civies...they will kill all who get in their way and of course the Human Rights groups wont do anything to stop the slaughter, citing it as an internal Chinese problem....and who do you root for???...the islamicgoons causing us problems now, or the Chinese who will cause us trouble later???....hmmmmmmm, decisions, decisions

Posted by: THANOS35 at September 30, 2005 06:00 PM (FMsU7)

6 How does that work anyway? Does someone come along and say, "Yeah, this communism thing is good and it's good to control the lives of others and do everything we can to make them miserable, but I think maybe not in this godless fashion. Let's do all the same things but tell them it's God's will. Yeah, that's the ticket! God's will! Or wait ... Allah's will. Yeah!"

Maybe I need a break.

Posted by: Oyster at September 30, 2005 08:01 PM (YudAC)

7 We all need a break from this insanity, Oyster, but I'm afraid the heavy lifting is just beginning. This will be a battle of wills more difficult than the Cold War. The problem we have is the large number of our people who are not mentally tough. We have many who are not only soft in body but also in spirit.

Greyrooster and Maximus, do not take this wrong, but I believe that a person of faith has an advantage in this fight. If you have no fear of death, then you can fight without any fear or doubt. Devout Christians have this ability, and I've noticed it in my sons. Generally, but not always, this gives a person of faith an advantage in a fight. Some men other than men of faith have that iron will because they were born with it, but few of the people I see when I visit big cities possess these qualities. The people I see in the cities appear weak and pale, many overweight, and with a variety of drug addictions. They hardly instill fear in a determined foe, and are probably a liability even given their large numbers.

These people want peace at any price including the loss of their freedom just as long as they can continue with their hedonistic lifestyles. A enemy looking at them will probably be encouraged rather than discouraged.

Posted by: jesusland joe at September 30, 2005 09:34 PM (rUyw4)

8 Jesus, jesuslandjoe, I sure remember being scared more than a few times while under fire. I even kept thinking that everybody was shooting just at ME.Using 10% of my brain praying and the rest trying to figure how to stay alive for another day.And if al Queda were to read 1/2 of our political blogs they might think the USA was ready for another civil war.

Posted by: john Ryan at October 01, 2005 11:41 PM (ads7K)

9 Chinese also sent a lot of muslim fighters to Afghanistan along with a great deal of various arms to fight the Russians. Noq they are having the same kind of blowback problems that we are having. The Pamir highway was rolling full steam in 1985

Posted by: john Ryan at October 01, 2005 11:46 PM (ads7K)

10 Jesusland: Some of course draw courage from religion. They apparently do not fear death when they strap explosives to their bodies and kill innocent people. How sick religion must be to teach that killing innocent people will sent to some place in the sky where they will be happy forever.
I draw substance and lack of fear though my lack of religion. Namely, if I don't believe hell exists I can't go there. I cannot blame God for my actions. I cannot do horrible things in the name of someone I don't believe exists. Religion seems to breed unbelieveable horrors in men. Bombers, burning at the stake, torture to save ones soul etc: etc:. I kill you in the name of God. Bullshit!
Sorry pal. I can't agree. Nothing frightens me more than organized religion.
Beside Yoda, would never forgive me if I worshipped another.

Posted by: greyrooster at October 02, 2005 10:14 AM (ywZa8)

11 Sorry, Greyrooster, I in no way meant to promote killing anyone in the name of any religion. If that was how my comment came across, I completely missed what I wanted to convey.

John Ryan:

In my opinion that is exactly where many on the Left are headed. Go over at Kos and read a few posts, and that is exactly what they say they want to do. Can you give me an alternate view or translation on what they are advocating?

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 02, 2005 01:26 PM (rUyw4)

12 I hope the Left don't declare a civil war, it will be tough for them without their Starbuck's Latte (with the low fat milk, extra foam with a tiny sprinkle of Cinnamon on the top)
I hear the best dressed metrosexual keeps their ammo in their "manbags" anyway.

;|

Posted by: dave at October 02, 2005 05:53 PM (CcXvt)

13 If anybody knows of a good book about the situation in Xinjiang Province, please give me the information.

Posted by: Christian A. Beltram at October 02, 2005 11:29 PM (gnxbC)

14 Rusty,

You are dead wrong on East Turkistan. Read this for more info on the peaceful movement for independance. http://www.etnfc.org/

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September 05, 2005

Jihad in China

Is China a natural ally in the war on terror? Yes. An Islamist insurgency is raging in China. China, though, has generally suppressed any news of this insurgency. Official statistics put the death toll at 160 over the past 10 years in at least 260 seperate incidents, but the count is probably higher than that. Much higher.

Last month we brought you word of a suicide bomber blowing up a bus in China (images and story here). While that act of terrorism was probably unrelated to the jihad being waged against Beijing, it did spur me to look into the matter. Days after the bombing, an old video was posted at a forum I frequent made by terrorists linked to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda who operate in China's East Turkistan (known as Xinjiang in Chinese) region. The video was apparently produced in Afghanistan, which borders East Turkistan, and was a call to arms against the Communist regime. The video was almost identical to a number of al Qaeda videos made around the same time.

This website, run by the 'East Turkistan Information Center', is a good source of information, but may have ties to the East Turkistan Liberation Organization. It is noteworthy that East Turkistan may have been the original Islamic state. The Islamic Republic of East Turkistan was establlished in 1933 and survived only three years. But this Islamic Republic was established 45 years before a similar state was established in Iran.

Today, China ran a rare story about it's internal problems with radical Islamists. Xinhua:

The "East Turkistan" terrorist forces remain to be the great terrorist threat to China at presentand in future, a Chinese anti-terrorist official said here Monday.
"In the last decade, the terrorist threats that China confronted with were mainly terrorist activities of 'East Turkistan' terrorist forces inside and outside Chinese territory, international terrorist groups and terrorists," said Zhao Yongchen, deputy director of the Anti-Terrorism Bureau under the Ministry of Public Security.
"The terrorist activities carried out by the three terrorist forces have not only jeopardized China, but also posed a threat toregional security and stability," Zhao said.
On March 27, 2003, the East Turkistan Liberation Organization hijacked a passenger bus of a Xinjiang company, killed all the 21 passengers and the driver and set the bus on fire with the bodies inside it.
The three terrorist forces openly summon the extremists inside China to carry out terrorist activities aiming at kindergartens, schools and government, or attack Chinese armed forces and government agencies, with means of explosives and poison.
The forces, he said, have also become part of the international terrorist forces. "They have close ties and even align with terrorist groups including the Taliban, the Uzbekistan Islamic Liberation Movement and Al Qaeda."
According to Zhao, many members of the "East Turkistan" forces have received military training in terrorist bases in central and south Asia and directly have taken part in terrorist activities sponsored by owners of the bases.

This could be an important signal from China to Washington that it is willing to do more in the war against militant political Islam.

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1 Now see if we can convert China's possible willingness to fight radical Islamic terrorism to China stopping funding and arming of Iran.

Posted by: Chad Evans at September 05, 2005 05:46 PM (6XqR3)

2 And to stop China's oppression of its own people. And in this case, I won't buy into "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" mantra. Help the Chinese squash their own Islamic radicals? Why? So they can concentrate more on espionage here and usurping American power? The Chinese are ruthless to the nth degree. They'll just kill 'em on the side of the road, harvest their kidneys and walk away. They don't need our help.

Posted by: Oyster at September 05, 2005 05:54 PM (YudAC)

3 China's interests in the War on Terror are, umm, murky, I think. They're desperate for energy and happy to make peace with repressive gov'ts. The enemy of their enemy is their friend, and America is their enemy--or at the least their rival.

And I don't think they believe that radical Islam represents the threat that it does in a more liberal society. If Al-Qaeda becomes a problem, Red China can just fire the mosques and relocate vast populations of Uighurs to Tibet or somewhere out of the way. No fuss, no muss.

I recently heard an old scholar of geopolitics intimate that the war on terror serves as a valuable distraction--keeping America's gaze averted from China's consolidation of power. Not sure how much to weight that, but I'm not as convinced as Rusty that we are natural allies.

Posted by: See-Dubya at September 05, 2005 06:03 PM (mOJjG)

4 gentleman,

I am a Chinese. And I don't think what you heard about China is complete true. The western medias sometimes lie about China, even worse than the Chinese medias. I suggest that you come to China one day, use your own eyes to see what's happening in China, not be decieved by your "democracy" goverments.

Personally, what you said made me think that you are the Red Guards who hate everything, and I am a western "democracy" man.

Regards,

L.J

Posted by: paradiso at September 05, 2005 09:49 PM (OH8j4)

5 Until the US encourages Israel to suppress the western media like China does, the American boot is still on Israel's neck.

Posted by: Aaron's cc at September 05, 2005 11:57 PM (ov6Vw)

6 With all due repsect, Paradiso, it was no slight against Chinese people. The western media lies about a lot of things, but when I read what comes out of China's media, I have to disagree with you. The media in China picks up where the west does in their reporting and magnifies it even more or adds new lies. I've read some of it. I'm disgusted with much of the westerners warping of the truth, but whoa, Nellie on what I've read "from" China - not "about" China. And the espionage is absolutely true.

Very little comes out of China. That's true. Perhaps it would be a good idea for you to start a blog and tell us otherwise from what we hear. I'd also be interested to know how long it will be before you're stopped.

If you want to think we are "Red Guards" who hate everything, that's your perogative. But, don't come to that conclusion from one statement.

Let's also consider how many websites are banned in China:

http://asp-cyber.law.harvard.edu/filtering/list.html

Now who are the "Red Guards"? Oh wait. You can't look. That site has been banned in China. If by some fluke you can get it in China, please, let us know.

Posted by: Oyster at September 06, 2005 06:55 AM (YudAC)

7 Paradiso's comments are funny. Obviously he's been reading Chomsky.

Any way, to address the main point: China is our natural ally. Their interests and our interests only diverge in a few respects. An 'ally' is not a 'friend'. But states do not have 'friends', only allies. Is China a repressive totalitarian regime? Yes. But that does not make them our enemy.

Posted by: Rusty at September 06, 2005 07:55 AM (JQjhA)

8 its just like how the US "allied" it self with the Soviets during WWII...didnt make us friends even though Roosevelt sat down with Stalin on a few occasions to discuss their strategy...i just hope that we take a few lessons from dealing with the Soviets during WWII and apply them to dealing with the Chinese...we should ally ourselves with them to deal with terrorism...the Chinese have a powerfull military and are ruthless in using it..and being that China is pretty much right next door to many of the countries that support terrorism...well, you think what you want on that...

Posted by: THANOS35 at September 06, 2005 09:54 AM (hcN1S)

9 Paradiso, my uncle was a visitng professor in China, and he told me about it. His house and computer were searched every day while he was at school, and he saw police beat old women for illegally peddling. The Communists have destroyed a once great culture, and it will take decades to recover, if it ever does. The Western media doesn't lie about China, it doesn't need to, because the truth is worse than anything we actually hear about, and you know it. I hope the Chinese people find peace and prosperity, and most importantly, freedom.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 06, 2005 06:49 PM (0yYS2)

10 You know we have 4 of these radical muslim chinese detained down in Gitmo. Captured in Afghanistan learning from the Taliban. Now what to do with them, if we send them back to China slave labor or death. But they are islamic terrorists so we don't want them here either. I say, keep them here as long as China keeps our WalMarts stocked. But if Beiging tries to cash in that 200Billion we owe them........ we sic'em on the Red Chinese. Only trouble is the possibility of the blowback, like from when we used the muslims to fight the Red Bear. Jeez I just realized all my money either goes to the muslims for oil or to China via WalMart

Posted by: john Ryan at September 30, 2005 04:48 PM (ads7K)

11 Confucius said, "A gentleman gets along with others, but does not necessarily agree with them; a base man agrees with others, but does not coexist with them harmoniously".

Muslim is the most ungrateful people existed among human as an inhumane kind on her immigrating nation benefactor. Actually they should be grateful on that foreign nation allowing them(Muslim) to stay

But instead of thanking for immigration grant, they even perversely claim territory right against that good nation.

the bad habit of major Muslim is that they have a tendency to claim a territory wherever they run or move on another nation unreasonably as well as unfairly

Turkey Dogs, no Turkey birds are not welcomed as they are not accustomed as those China's tradition

So should other nations deport those foreign Muslim out of their countries, lest they unfairly claim a territory against on the country where they immigrated,

there shouldn't be Human Right for those Muslim terrorists, but deportation to their original country. And I think it is the right thing to do against those Muslim foreigners (terrorists) without delaying in deportation that peace and harmony be continued nonstop

That last thing the world needs is more Christians and Muslims who won't think for themselves.

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August 09, 2005

Suicide Bomber Blows Up Bus in China: Government Covers Up (UPDATED)

UPDATE 8/11: Jihadis from Western China released several propaganda videos. The videos proclaim jihad against Beijing, accusing the Communist government of ties to Christian forces. We will post a link to the video as soon as we find a host. Images from the video will be available shortly.

Scroll down for more updates.

Bloggers from China are reporting that a suicide bomber has blown up a bus in Fuzhou City, Fujian Province, at around 2:30pm, August 8th. According to Peacehall.com, police have confiscated the cameras of those who took pictures. I first learned of this from Aaron at Hagganah Internet. more...

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1 Wow, a bajillion fellow Lizaroids and not a single comment. *sigh*

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at August 09, 2005 07:08 PM (JQjhA)

2 This is just a guess.
The Chinese might be keeping these bombings out of the news so they can respond with brute force.
I would bet there are some pretty severe consequences for the Muslims after a bombing in China. If you donâ€™t report the bombing, you donâ€™t report the reprisal by the Government. Maybe the Chinese have figured out the way to win a war with Islamic fanatics. They are smart enough to not fight it in the media.

Posted by: Brad at August 09, 2005 07:09 PM (3OPZt)

3 The Chinese's links have a nasty pornographic snake up a pussy photo..sick.

thanks for the warning.

Posted by: 11a at August 09, 2005 07:10 PM (pOoRe)

4 11a,
Whoa, I didn't notice that. The graphic photos I was referring to were the ones of the bombing. Some of which are truly horrible.

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at August 09, 2005 07:13 PM (JQjhA)

5 There were more than a thousand reported bombings last year.

Most go unreported by the country's tightly-controlled state media. For comparison sake, for 2003 in the US, there were 386 incidents, with 7 killed, 55 injured. In 2002, the number of incidents was 711, with 13 killed, and 80 wounded. Those figures include both actual detonations and attempts for both explosions and incendiaries as well as premature explodations. For 2001, the numbers are similar to 2002.

Posted by: lawhawk at August 09, 2005 07:21 PM (RtayW)

6 I have seen death before, and as *horrible* as that is..never before seeing a SNAKE in a women's vagina is shocking to say the lest.

I wanted to see the original Chinese sites..and how they look more than the pictures.

Posted by: 11a at August 09, 2005 07:22 PM (pOoRe)

7 The chant I have been hearing from recent visitors to China is "the islamist terrorists don't dare mess with the Chinese" - apparently supposedly because there are so many of them. Guess that was wrong.

Posted by: FM at August 09, 2005 07:22 PM (wtIYw)

8 Crap, I missed the chinese p***y snake. I did see an eel show in Thailand once though.

Posted by: kstumpf at August 09, 2005 07:30 PM (Kv4B9)

9 Hey, Jawa. I came over from LGF but I'm pretty speechless after those photos. Sounds like that bomber was very down on his luck, but it wouldn't be surprising to find out he was actually an Islamic terrorist.

Posted by: RepJ at August 09, 2005 07:47 PM (1EsbE)

10 I'm thinking this bombing must have been in retaliation for China's invasion of Iraq. Or because of Israel? Chinese "foreign policy"? The Crusades?

Posted by: Carlos at August 09, 2005 07:57 PM (8e/V4)

11 I came over from LGF as well. I never thought that this kind of thing happened in China... But there are enough muslims in western china that it's not THAT surprising.

Btw, I just read the article on this url, what link should I be avoiding?!

Posted by: R_D at August 09, 2005 08:03 PM (LU+qS)

12 Unless it wasn't committed by muslims:

"On Monday, August 8, 2005, at 2:32pm, there was an explosion on a bus in the city of Fuzhou. The initial story was that there was a suicide bomber who was a peasant with terminal lung cancer and he set off a homemade bomb on the bus."

Was this peasant a muslim? It doesn't say.

Posted by: Carlos at August 09, 2005 08:05 PM (8e/V4)

13 R.D.,
It looks like the peacehall.com link. They have some advertisors that are clearly pornographic.

Good point, Carlos.

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at August 09, 2005 08:06 PM (JQjhA)

14 It's well known that Jews really love Chinese food.

That's enough justification for most rag-tops to commit Chop Suey Kablooey.

Posted by: Aaron's cc: at August 09, 2005 09:42 PM (ov6Vw)

15 The islamof**ktards are arrogant enough to f**k with China??? *insert manialcal laughter, as I imagine a Chinese run version of Club GITMO*

Posted by: Princess Kimberley at August 09, 2005 10:12 PM (8sXP/)

16 I can't imagine islamist would mess with China. We've seen what they do to peaceful, pro-democracy demonstrators. Imagine the hell they'd put militant islamists through.

Posted by: Dr. Foo at August 10, 2005 02:23 AM (RS2FZ)

17 > Maybe the Chinese have figured out the way to win a war with Islamic fanatics. They are smart enough to not fight it in the media.

LOL, yeah, like they'd care.

"Me no likee what you plint." [BANG!]

Media problem solved.

(excuse the absurdist charicature, it's for amusing effect, not to be taken seriously)

Posted by: Nick B at August 10, 2005 02:43 AM (6EB/g)

18 Fujain province is 30% Muslim and they had huge riots there about 6 months ago as the Muslims want Sharia law.

This is certainly Islamist 72-virgin job.

Shame on Islam and Muslims who support Islamic government (which is about 80% of Muslims).

Criticism of Islam should be decriminalized.

Posted by: hossein at August 10, 2005 04:39 AM (FZ5hy)

19 First, I thought China Daily's was a pretty good job of reporting.

Second, I haven't seen anywhere that the homicide bomber was Muslim or committed this atrocity for jihad.

Third, where did this guy get the idea for doing what he did? Well, that's pretty easy. He got it from the jihadis and their attacks against Jews in Israeli buses. Where else?

Fourth, man, looks like he cooked up a potent home brew explosive. Where did he learn how to do that?

Posted by: Jabba the Tutt at August 10, 2005 07:49 AM (Rn4LP)

20 Most likely the Chinese will buy off the splodeydopes with guns and explosives and point them our way. They're already known to be selling arms to terrorists, and this is probably just a friendly little reminder to up the shipments.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 10, 2005 10:55 AM (0yYS2)

21 China hasa big problem in its western zone. Essentially comes down to an ethnic group called Wegurs (well- that is how it is pronounced). They are moving further towards Islam. They are looked down upon by "Chinese" and there are many problems, from ethnic cleansing, forced migration,to racism, drug trafficing, etc. An interesting and due to Chinese media controls, almost unknown group/problem.

Posted by: Max at August 10, 2005 02:16 PM (HFKAk)

22 Maybe China has a good idea. Why give the muslim bastards the publicity they are after?

Posted by: greyrooster at August 10, 2005 03:54 PM (oKjnh)

23 You people are bunch of liars. There's no cover up. I just looked in Chinese search sites and tons of news reports show the same pictures you are claiming as "exclusive":

http://news.baidu.com/ns?word=%B8%A3%D6%DD+%B1%AC%D5%A8+%B9%AB+%C6%FB

http://news.sogou.com/news/websearch.do?query=%B8%A3%D6%DD+%B1%AC%D5%A8

http://news.sohu.com/20050811/n226631177.shtml

Posted by: Bobby Fletcher at August 10, 2005 05:43 PM (u8Zgq)

24 The report says: (in case none of you can read Chinese - it's a billion people's fault right?)

Fuzhou (not in western China, it's a nice touristy southern city.) lung cancer patient blows up bus. 1 additional death at hospital(suicide bomber dead already), 13 people leave hospital. 3 still in critical condition.

Posted by: Bobby Fletcher at August 10, 2005 05:51 PM (u8Zgq)

25 I've never claimed these were 'exclusives', in fact, I've named several sources also carrying them. As of the writing of the original post, about 35 media reports were in--over 24 hours after the incident--only one of which was from a Western source.

The cover up is in relations to the government actually admitting the extent of the damage, claiming only one death, and confiscating cameras. Apparently, they didn't confiscate enough cameras....

I admit, some of the commenters here seem not to have read the ENTIRE post......

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at August 10, 2005 06:23 PM (JQjhA)

26 There's no cover-up, dude. How come lots of commercial websites in China have the same pictures as the bloggers? If the Chinese government wants to block this news, do you think the commercial websites would be carrying the news? Little o'me would be able to find them on search engines like baidu, sohu, yahoo.com China?

Think about it, you people make no sense...

Posted by: Bobby Fletcher at August 11, 2005 04:45 AM (wO2VP)

27 Bobby Fletcher: It is not necessary to be an asshole to comment on this blog. We search for info, not arguement. If you can read Chinese you could be a help to us. But, your attitude sucks.
I have no desire to learn Chinese. Not many Americans moving to China. Sort of the other way around. By any means that they can. When the Chinese all move to America they can learn English.
Of course, we now have 70 Wal-Marts in China. The beginning of the end for them. Wal-Mart destroys more competitive businesses than any country's military. Then we will make them all fat and lazy with our MacDonalds chain of health food. Why learn Chinese. The end is near for them. Big Mac and fried rice. They have no chance.

Posted by: greyrooster at August 11, 2005 09:47 PM (CBNGy)

28 i think geekrooster is feeling a bit peeved upon having his conspiracy theory unveiled as ignorant drek

Posted by: hawkwaxer at August 12, 2005 09:06 AM (AXBNy)

29 I think hawkwaxer is a phoney. What conspiracy theory? liar.

Posted by: greyrooster at August 13, 2005 07:31 AM (CBNGy)

30 Fujian doesnt have 30% moslems. The 1982 census showed only 30.000 Hui (moslem Han) in a provincial population of - oh - 30 million.

Chinese moslems traditionally live primarily in Qinghai, Ningxia and Gansu provinces, all in the NW. There used to be concentrations in Yunnan in the SW and Shanxi and Shaanxi in the center also, but following 19th century moslem rebellions, most of those were massacred or died in following famines. There are still groups of several hundred thousand Hui in most north-central provinces as well as Yunnan, though.

In October last year, there was a riot in central Henan province between Hui and Han. Officially, 7 were killed. Unofficially, the deathtoll was over 100 (in a village of 2000), of whom 15 policemen. According to the chinese rumor-mill Hui and Han from as far afield as 80 kilometers were pouring in in trucks to join in the fighting. Han supposedly surrounded the village with bulldozers and trucks, demanding all Hui be expelled and their houses destroyed.

The incident that got it all started was a Hui man grazing a Han girl with his car, then refusing to pay immediate compensation.

Smacks of the strawberry invident that cost several hundred lives in central Asia in the late 80s.

Henrik

Posted by: Henrik at August 13, 2005 04:37 PM (LEnZ3)

31 So the Chinese have figured a way to control the muslims. We should learn from our Chinese friends.

Posted by: greyrooster at August 14, 2005 10:58 AM (CBNGy)

32 Following the Chinese search sites I provided earlier, here are the latest updates from all over China, and they seems pretty resaonable and consistent. Again I've found no reason to doubt the reports:

- police have concluded it was a man with lung cancer that killed himself with home-made bomb

- About 31 insured: 13 release, 5 seriousely, 3 crtically. Not sure if both "additional" death are from the 3 critical (the suicide bomber is not counted here, only vicitms). One death was reported very early, so it prabably isn't part of the 31.

So there, totally of 3 people died from the blast, scores injured. IMO the hysterical reaction "only one died? god damn commies must be controlling media" is unwarrented.

If you have evidence (besides hearsay) that this news is being controlled, let's see it.

Posted by: bobby fletcher at August 16, 2005 12:08 PM (u8Zgq)

33 Confucius said, "A gentleman gets along with others, but does not necessarily agree with them; a base man agrees with others, but does not coexist with them harmoniously".

Muslim is the most ungrateful people existed among human as an inhumane kind on her immigrating nation benefactor. Actually they should be grateful on that foreign nation allowing them(Muslim) to stay

But instead of thanking for immigration grant, they even perversely claim territory right against that good nation.

the bad habit of major Muslim is that they have a tendency to claim a territory wherever they run or move on another nation unreasonably as well as unfairly

Turkey Dogs, no Turkey birds are not welcomed as they are not accustomed as those China's tradition

So should other nations deport those foreign Muslim out of their countries, lest they unfairly claim a territory against on the country where they immigrated,

there shouldn't be Human Right for those Muslim terrorists, but deportation to their original country. And I think it is the right thing to do against those Muslim foreigners (terrorists) without delaying in deportation that peace and harmony be continued nonstop

That last thing the world needs is more Christians and Muslims who won't think for themselves.

Posted by: em at October 01, 2005 01:22 AM (saUVR)

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