Hamas Provides al-Qaeda Safe Haven in Gaza
Hamas says it does not support al-Qaeda. Kinda true, lately the case seems to be more of al-Qaeda supporting Hamas. Birds of a feather.....
Via JCPA: # The declared policy of Hamas to provide sanctuary to any jihadi fighter invites additional terrorist groups associated with al-Qaeda to plant themselves in the Gaza Strip.
# According to Dr. Zakaria Zain al-Din, chairman of Hamas' largest charity organization, the extremist views of al-Qaeda are spreading among the senior leadership of Hamas. Expressions of this were evident in the adoption of the radical world view of al-Qaeda that accuses other Muslims of being "infidels" and permits their being killed. Radical religious rulings permitted the killing of Fatah operatives.
# Abu Ashur, the right-hand man of Jaish al-Islam (Army of Islam) leader Mumtaz Durmush, confessed that their organization received funds and instructions from al-Qaeda outside of the Gaza Strip. Jaish al-Islam was responsible for the kidnapping of BBC journalist Alan Johnston in March 2007. Leading the cell that abducted Johnston was Khattab al-Maqdasi, a Palestinian who in the past had fought alongside the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Hat Tip Aaron.
Right on cue, Hamas starts treating the Palestinians in the same manner al-Qaeda treats the Iraqis.
Via The Corner:It was less than two months ago, after the violent takeover of Gaza, that Hamas spokesmen took to the op-ed pages of American newspapers to proclaim that despite all the suicide bombings and summary executions, Hamas intends to create a good-government, pragmatic Islamic state in Gaza....
...None of this, of course, has happened, and the news that has been trickling out of Gaza over the past few days portends an even bigger horrorshow.
What splendid duplicity.
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Western Tax Money Funding Hamas
I noticed a story about the U.S. Treasury Department freezing the assets of a charity which was really a Hamas front running this morning on LGF. CT blog shows the ties between the charity and Hamas here.
Fearing that the al-Salah Society may have a website that is hosted in the U.S. I did a quick Google search to find out. Instead, I found that your tax dollars have been used in the past to support the Hamas front.
US$ 41.9 million project, funded by the World Bank ($19M), the governments of Canada ($0.6M), Italy ($9.7M), Saudi Arabia ($2.5M), and the United Kingdom ($8.4M), the Islamic Development Bank ($1.1M) and the Welfare Association ($0.6M).
The PNGO gave a grant of $12,900 to the Al Salah Islamic Society to help finish the Hamas run medical clinic in the al Maghazi "refugee camp" (think city) in Gaza.
So, we indirectly funded Hamas through the World Bank. The British, Canadians, and Italians even more directly funded Hamas through the PNGO. First give them the money, and then freeze it!
Your tax dollars at work!
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Potential Holy Land Foundation Trial Jurors Fearful
Some potential jurors in the trial of the Holy Land Foundation have asked to be excused out of fear for their lives.
Three potential jurors in the Holy Land Foundation terrorism financing trial were sent home Monday after each said they were afraid their service might put them or their families in danger.
"Sounds like some pretty serious charges to me," said one man, moments after he was told why he was asked to show up at the federal courthouse. "I don't feel comfortable. ... This ain't like a parking ticket."
"Would the fear of retaliation affect the way you looked at the case?" defense attorney Greg Westfall asked.
"Yes," the man said.
Then you have this, er, dumbass:
When asked whether he could follow a law that says any aid – be it diapers, soccer balls, money or other humanitarian aid – given to a designated foreign terrorist organization is illegal, the man balked.
"I'll be honest with you. I couldn't find them guilty," he said.
Authorities have not yet arrested anyone, but were searching for the tenant of the apartment. Authorities told the television station that the tenant travels to the Middle East frequently and just returned from there this morning.
Given it's Texas, I don't see a problem filling the jury box, even after this news.
Via Gateway Pundit Hamas gunmen stormed a Christian Church and convent in Gaza during fighting last week. The militants used rocket-propelled grenades to storm the main entrances of the school and church where they torched, ransacked and looted the facilities. Gunmen used the roof of the school during the clashes between Fatah and Hamas...
More via JP: "The masked gunmen used rocket-propelled grenades to storm the main entrances of the school and church," he said. "Then they destroyed almost everything inside, including the Cross, the Holy Book, computers and other equipment."
Which makes this story from 2006 all the more Ironic.
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Why dont they burn all those ape to man poppycock nonsense of CARL SAGAN and RICHARD DAWKINS
Posted by: sandpiper at June 19, 2007 11:35 AM (D9h75)
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Boy Iused to think that the nuns that taught me were tough. But the ones that were defending this school must have been awesome if RPGs were necessary.
Unless of course it was already occupied by Fatah gunmen, then I guess RPGs might have to be used. JP (Jerusalem Post) of course may not have been able to include all the details about why RPGs were needed.
Posted by: John Ryan at June 19, 2007 12:05 PM (TcoRJ)
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Retarded big mouthed know it all asshole jerks. Nice translation but you forgot to mention: ugly, lazy and disrespectful! Now go fix me a turkey-pot pie.
Posted by: tbone at June 19, 2007 03:21 PM (HGqHt)
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Yeah that becuase the wussietard psyco babble nit wits say seeing that mild violence have a bad effect on them what a load of bull kaka parents dont need these psycobabble nit wit idiots
Posted by: sandpiper at May 28, 2007 12:08 AM (g0rz7)
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Di$ney was afraid to draw the wrath of Islamists, or CAIR for that matter. Di$ney has too much at stake in tourist dollars at their themeparks, and an suicide bombing - or even a veiled threat of such violence via CAIR - would cost Di$ney dearly.
After all, Di$ney is willing to hire attorneys to go after mom and pop mexican vendors in lA who sell unofficial Disney character pinatas. The only reason they aren't throwing a fit here is FEAR, plain and simple.
Posted by: wooga at May 21, 2007 06:02 PM (t9sT5)
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Same reason Leftards mock christianity, but won't touch islam with a 1,000 foot pole-- FEAR.
I've written about the HAMAS website for children, al-fateh.net, on several occasions. So when I saw the articles about HAMAS adopting a Mickey Mouse "clone" to incite hatred against Israel, I thought it might be a good time to check back in on al-fateh.net and see what they were publishing these days.
I was surprised to see that they have carried the promotion of violence to new levels.
Al-fateh.net is a popular website in the Arab world. It has a 3-month worldwide ranking of 60,139 on Alexa.com, a popular site for tracking popularity of websites. In the Palestinian territories it ranks around 2,000, and ranks in the 3,000 - 8,000 range in the UAE, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt.
The website features colorful cartoons along with articles aimed at elementary school aged children, and encourages kids to send in photographs and letters. The site uses a magazine format, updating on a regular basis.
RAMALLAH, West Bank -- A Hamas-run television channel has defied a Palestinian government request to axe a controversial children's cartoon in which a Mickey Mouse look-alike urges resistance against Israel.
Via Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs, who has this to say about Western media coverage of the Farfur story:
The international media are absolutely disgusting and reprehensible with this story; they’re doing their level best to whitewash and minimize the impact, and it’s shameful beyond belief.
Not surprising, considering how Western media dropped trou, lay down, and took it up the pooper for Hezbollah propagandists during the Israeli/Hezbollah War.
I understand there are some Palestinian made Disney movies that will be coming out over the next few years like: All Martyrs go to Heaven, Saladdin, Snow White and the Seven Flying Imams, Beauty and the Burqa, Dhimmbo and the The Little Mujahedin.
Posted by: DrTheopolis at May 11, 2007 09:52 AM (9ZqGe)
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or the LAZY AND THE TRAMPLED,THE SHAGGED DAWG,TOIALED STORY,THE SOEWRED AND THE STONNED
Posted by: sandpiper at May 13, 2007 09:48 PM (A09bm)
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A line has to be drawn - you are either with us or you are with the Smurfs.
Posted by: Truther Smurf at May 14, 2007 03:48 PM (HGqHt)
Now's The Time...
...to say goodbye to all that Jewery.
Via FOXNEWS:A Mickey Mouse look-alike named Farfur is teaching Palestinian children the ABCs of terror on Hamas' official television station, Al-Aqsa TV.
On the weekly program "Tomorrow's Pioneers," Farfur and a young girl name Saraa' tell children to pray five times each day and drink their milk, while urging the children to "resist" the "oppressive invading Zionist occupation."
Through the years we'll all be enemies wherever we may be...
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I think Disney should get involved with this. Yes, they aren't calling him Mickey Mouse but there has to be something that they can hit them up with. Children are very innocent and exploiting them in this way is disgraceful.
Posted by: allahakchew at May 07, 2007 03:38 PM (BrndJ)
Posted by: Michael Walker at May 07, 2007 04:23 PM (TmLg9)
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How did people come to the conclusion that Ron Paul won that debate? He barely said anything. And when he did you couldn't pay attention to what he was saying because you were thinking, 'Hey - isn't that that old man who was in Frasier? Do you know, I think it is! Well, I'll be.'
'Children are very innocent and exploiting them in this way is disgraceful.'
Hey, mister - keep that moral relativism in check. There's nothing wrong with indoctrinating your child with pure hate and convincing it that a certain group of people are solely responsible for all of your problems, and that nothing'd make you more proud than for them to blow themselves to smithereens in the presence of aforementioned group of people. Stop being so narrow-minded! Look who stands to gain! Wake up! etc.
Posted by: Infidelsalwayswin at May 07, 2007 05:14 PM (GjFlK)
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Palestinains are the scum of the earth, this just adds one more pound of proof. Isreal should just deport them all to Antartica...........
allahakchew, I'd like to agree, but I can't. Piglet has already been driven before the invading horde. I have a small Piglet on my Keychain since the cartoon riots. Our cartoons deserve respect. If you ever watch the Winnie the Pooh stufff (My wife loves it) you will see the Piglet is actually quite a decent, and noble fellow. But the Islamists hate him. Anyway ... USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at May 08, 2007 05:33 PM (2OHpj)
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Everyone knows Tiger supports the Zionist Oppressors. Death to Piglet, a curse on the house of Pooh
Posted by: Truther Smurf at May 14, 2007 04:12 PM (HGqHt)
Palestinians Violate Cease Fire, Launch RocketsWoohoo! Let's give 'em the West Bank, too! They're long overdue being handed another staging area for indiscriminate murder.
They're doing sooo good with the Gaza, after all. Between drowning in their own sh*t and launching rockets into Israeli towns, they hardly have time to step back and appreciate all of the amazing technological and cultural progress they've been offering humanity for the past 70 years.
Thank you. I'll be here all night. Tip your waitresses.
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Absolutely amazed that alot of westerners etc, americans british.
are still blaming everybody else.
I love my country. England.
but i am not naive anymore, we should be looking after ouselfs, not what other countries get up to.
If Iran wants to make a nucleur bomb so be it.
They can only let it off once, then let everybody say ,told u so
Until then leave these people alone, and they will leave us alone.
Posted by: chris at April 24, 2007 10:25 AM (KAur+)
Posted by: doriangrey at April 24, 2007 10:30 AM (XvkRd)
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Chris, problem being with this approach is Iran will give nukes to AQ or Hamas or Hizbullah, but later when our cities burn, will claim that they (iran) had nothing to do with it and we are making up "lies" in order to attack Iran and islam. I grew up in a muslim country, I know that song... every single time.
P.S.: and then you'll have more degenerate "truthers" who will blaim West, in spite of a clear match to Iran's nuclear "signature".
Posted by: Kamchatka Bear at April 24, 2007 10:32 AM (gtZwa)
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I honestly cant believe i watch kids throwing stones at Israil police,
but i also cant believe they retaliate with bullets.
Ireland 1976 TILL 1996. Cant remember anybody in the U.K complaining about the same thing that was happening then.?
or anybody else in the western world.
IT IS WHAT WE CALL BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE.
Posted by: chris at April 24, 2007 10:32 AM (KAur+)
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Come on since when will a Iranian nuke be able to hit America.
Crap and you no it. We are just Bully boys, Lets be honest you dont need much in America, to be called that.You have individials gunning down people at College, So please dont go their
Posted by: chris at April 24, 2007 10:37 AM (KAur+)
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Chris have you been on Mexican border? do you know how many people just walk in this country every day? do you know how much crack comes in here daily? Are you telling me that they can bring truck loads of crack but can not carry in a little suitcase bomb?
And please give an example of Israeli army shooting the stone throwing kids...
Posted by: Kamchatka Bear at April 24, 2007 10:40 AM (gtZwa)
7Come on since when will a Iranian nuke be able to hit America.
Does America have NATO and UN allies in the region? Yes?
How about economic and security interests? Yes?
No, you're right, though. Let Iran nuke anyone they want to. It won't affect us at all.
By that logic, we should and could have just nuked any country we felt like after 9-11, because none of them matter anyway. Right?
Like taking candy from a liberal.
Posted by: Good Lt at April 24, 2007 10:44 AM (yMbfY)
8You have individials gunning down people at College
Right - INDIVIDUAL. So smear the whole country for the actions of one individual. You don't seem to think that the actions of individuals on 9-11 is able to justify the systematic rooting out Muslim terrorism in the Middle Eastern hives, but the actions of a lone psycho in Virginia is enough to brand America "bullies."
But no, we're the bullies. We invaded Iraq on September 10, 2001, as well as Afghanistan, because we wanted oil and to kill Muslims. We had no reason to to - we just did it because we Bully Boys could. On September 10.
Chris. Is. A. Knuckledragging. Moron.
Posted by: Good Lt at April 24, 2007 10:52 AM (yMbfY)
You really couldn’t get any stupider even if all the oxygen was cut off from your brain. Are you really stupid enough to think that a quarter or half pound rock thrown at 50 or 60 miles per hour by a 17 or 18 year old kid isn’t lethal? Are you really so god damn stupid that you don’t know that Palestine terrorists mingle with and fire their AK47’s at Israeli soldiers from within those groups of children who are throwing rocks? If this is how fucking stupid you really are then a lobotomy would only help you. http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=16834
Posted by: doriangrey at April 24, 2007 10:54 AM (XvkRd)
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That's an insult to lobotomy patients. A lobotomy would probably increase Chris's reasoning skills.
That, or a job.
Posted by: Good Lt at April 24, 2007 10:58 AM (yMbfY)
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Like i said before you Preach well.
you sit on your Fat arse preaching like a big American twat.
You listen to me American your that far up your own arses, you dont even no what your doing.
You persume you are very capable of sorting everything out?
Vietanam?
world war 2? [ sorry you did come in the END]
What have you ever done. you Parasites, you bought off , x USSR
You are pathetic. fukin Bully Boys.
Big Country full of false dik heads like you.
You sit their telling the world what to do.
Get a life you twat stop eating all the pies
Posted by: chris at April 24, 2007 11:10 AM (KAur+)
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Wow "Chris"... so much anger, no facts or even logic. I am not even mentioning maturity. But then I understand islamic culture doesn't value any of those things. Let me ask you couple of questions...
1) why do you believe islam, even though it is based on the testimony of only ONE man - muhamed?
2) do you really think that God who NEVER changes, would all of a sudden change his mind about what he wants in a man - honesty, love, mercy, integrity.
3) why do you continue to belive islam even though archeaological, historical evidence supports judaism and christianity?
4) why do you believe "Michael" when he physically abused muhamed, something that no angel of real God would ever DARE to do...?
Why Ishmael? why?
Posted by: Kamchatka Bear at April 24, 2007 11:23 AM (gtZwa)
Wow, I humbly stand corrected. Not only could you get stupider you actually proved it. The verbiage of that narcistic little diatribe displayed all the intellectual capacity of a tapeworm on crystal meth. Not only that but the sheer unadulterated velocity of going from stupid to imbecilic in .000002 seconds literally boggles the mind.
H/tto Good Lt for the remarkable perception regarding cris's capacity for stupidity.
Posted by: doriangrey at April 24, 2007 12:00 PM (XvkRd)
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The MSM also tends to ignore the fact that they launch rockets into Israel from not only Palestine but from Lebanon on almost a daily basis by either or both of these countries. When is everyone going to understand that Judeo-Christian values are wholly incompatible with Islam. Muslims don't just dislike Israel and the US, they hate them, they seethe over that hatred too. Palestinian victimhood is a self-inflicted wound and it is far easier for them to blame Israel and the US for the worlds, as well as their own, ills rather than introspectively looking within. When Hitler wanted to pull his nation out of a depression following World War I he gave them a scapegoat, the Jews, to unite his people against and they were eager and willing partners in such hatred. The Arab world has also found a ready scapegoat in the Israeli Jews as well. This is a hatred that runs so deep that a few rockets are really meaningless in the long run. They are long distance curses, hurled over a fence, but curses that can nonetheless kill. As long as the US and Israel exists, the world will have their scapegoats to blame everything on. If they should both cease to exist for any reason, the slow decline of the free world will set in. A world in which Israel and the US did not exist is a world not worth living in and it is a world that would likely self-destruct.
Posted by: Rick at April 24, 2007 12:14 PM (9ZqGe)
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#1, The mullahcracy of Iran is probably already in the possession of missiles that can reach the heart of the European continent.
I can tell you as an Iranian, that even before the Mo-slimes came to power in 1979 they would talk about their Mahdi messiah taking over the world by force and using nukes if he has to. And this was when they were on a short leash! The so-called "constitution" of the Islamic Republic of Iran clearly states that its objectives include the subjugation of the planet under the banner of Islam. I can probably find the Persian text for you.
I honestly don't think you are stupid or naive enough to believe that the Islamist-Imperialists will leave you alone. And if you're neither stupid or naive, then the only possible explanation for your statements is that you are probably a Mo-slime engaging in your duty of "Taqy'yah" and "Kitman".
Again as an Iranian, I can tell you that it is Islam that wants nuclear weapons not the Iranian people. My people are the factory workers who haven't received their wages in months maybe in a year; my people are the starving children of the province of Sistan and millions of others who live in misery because Islam sees it fit to loot the wealth of their country so as to fatten its own Arabic parasites in Lebanon and Palestinian areas. And I promise you if Islam gets its hands on nuclear weapons it will use these to subject all nations of the world to the same misery that Iranians are enduring now. And it will keep doing this until every expression of happiness or liberty is extinguished everywhere on this planet.
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at April 24, 2007 12:18 PM (j97MF)
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"Chris" is probably Abdullah or Mohammed. They like to assume western names, but their anger and hate always gives them away.
'Palestinian victimhood is a self-inflicted wound...'
Right. It's like that joke, 'How many Palestinians does it take to change a lightbulb?' 'None, they just sit in the dark and blame the Jews.'
Not only is the Israel-Palestinian 'crisis' a mere blip on the world radar, an irrelevancy really, but it makes no sense in us giving two shits about the Palesinians if they evidently don't themselves. If a guy had a car and he repeatedly rammed it into a wall, took a golf club to it and then set it on fire, and then started crying and saying, 'Oh, woe is me - my car is wrecked,' you wouldn't have any sympathy. You'd say something along the lines of, 'Well what do expect you dumb bastard? You just systematically went about fucking it up. It's all your fault.'
There's never been a Palestine and there never will be. The Middle East is a write-off. Let's just concentrate on Israel (and maybe Kuwait to a lesser degree), since it's the only thing that'll ever be something other than a total fuckup there. In fact sometimes, I'm simply aghast at how they manage to remain so controlled in the face of constant provocation, threats of genocide and so on.
Oh, and Chris, even if you had a point, which you clearly don't, it'd still be cast into the realm of hilariousness by your poor command of the English language. Didn't they teach English at your school? I'm a Britisher myself, but people like you are clearly part of the problem and even if you do ever come to your senses, it won't be until it's too late.
Posted by: Infidelsalwayswin at April 24, 2007 12:49 PM (zyFYz)
1941? I bet you were really spectacular at fractions.
Iran wants to make a nucleur bomb so be it.
They can only let it off once, then let everybody say ,told u so
Well...good thing they would never think to give it to a terrorist who would carry it to target thus leaving no return address. Fucking brilliant Chris.
Until then leave these people alone, and they will leave us alone.
You mean like the first time they attacked the World Trade Center or perhaps the time they attacked our troops in the Khobar Towers or our embassies or the USS Cole. You mean like those times you bleeding wanker. Jesus your fucking dumb.
Posted by: Randman at April 24, 2007 01:17 PM (Sal3J)
Abbas 'not optimistic' about kidnapped soldier's release
From The Jerusalem Post:
The London-based newspaper Al-Hayat reported on Monday that Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas was not optimistic about securing the release of kidnapped IDF soldier Cpl. Gilad Schalit in the near future, Israel Radio reported.
Abbas, who spoke during a closed meeting following the establishment of the new PA government, backed up his sentiments by noting that the kidnappers had refused his suggestion that they hand Schalit over to the Egyptians before all aspects of the transaction were completed.
In a related piece, Israeli Prime Minister Olmert says Abbas reneged on promises (what a shocker!):
Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas does not live up to his commitments, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Sunday, in a strong message before his meeting with US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.
"It is impossible to ignore the fact that the chairman of the PA blatantly breached commitments that he gave Israel, especially the commitment that a national unity government would not be established before Gilad Schalit was released," Olmert said before the cabinet meeting.
He said Abbas's commitment was "given to me time and time again, also during the trilateral meeting, and it was also given to leaders of foreign states. These leaders, who heard this clear commitment, wondered how it was possible to break this commitment so blatantly."
Unlike remarks made during the heat of a cabinet discussion, the prime minister's comments before the weekly cabinet meeting are carefully scripted and designed to send clear messages.
And yet, in spite of this, Condi Rice and our dysfunctional State Department are relaxing their stance against Hamas, capitulating to the Palestinian "Unity" government's demands for cash, and once again displaying the weakness of our national resolve.
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Let's see, the Palestians capture of couple of Jews...or Hezbollah does, what's the difference they're on the same side when it comes to hating Jews. Now we are to believe after months that the official government has no idea where these captives are...yea, right. I would like to think that Isreal has a team, in the shadows, looking for these men. Along the way they just might test their weapons on some bad guys. Let's hope so. And let's hope they find the soldiers. Isreal needs every gun manned, sooner rather than later.
Posted by: RJ at March 26, 2007 05:40 PM (yyxO/)
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It is suspected that Gilad Shalit, as well as the soldiers captured by Hezbollah, are in Syria.
Posted by: Kafir at March 26, 2007 07:49 PM (HsmTD)
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I think they are dead, and the goal is to humiliate Israel by making them trade live terorists, for dead bodies. "Here they are! Surprise!"
Now if that happens, I'd say Israel should "over-react". Meanwhile lets keep our prayers going out, if only because I want to be wrong. I like so many others, want to see them come home to thier families. USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at March 26, 2007 08:22 PM (2OHpj)
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Funny you should mention that. I have been thinking that Israel should trade 500 terrorists for the 3 soldiers... but they should deliver them with a slow acting radioactive poison in them, something like Polonium-210.
Think AlexanderLitvinenko, then multiply it by 500.
Posted by: Kafir at March 26, 2007 08:50 PM (HsmTD)
Hmmm I rather like the idea, but think a highly contagious disease like Hemorrhagic fever or E-Boli Fever would be much better. Instead of a mere 500 they could wipe the Palestinians out.
Posted by: doriangrey at March 26, 2007 10:52 PM (F5T2G)
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doriangrey - The difference between my suggestion and yours:
My suggestion targets 500 convicted terrorists, and sends a message that Israel will not be held hostage to terror. If Israel convicts you of terrorism, you will live the rest of your life in prison... and if an attempt is made to extort Israel (for their release), the penalty will be changed to a death sentence.
Your suggestion has genocide as it's goal, and is completely indiscriminate in who it kills. I do not advocate genocide, nor does any sane person.
Posted by: Kafir at March 27, 2007 12:10 AM (HsmTD)
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Today, Kafir's idea is brilliant, but tommorrow, doriangrey's idea may be the tragic necessity. We are in a war after all, and if we don't start doing more to win it cleanly now, we will be forced to win it dirty later. You can only afford to fight so long by rules that help your enemy. And there are a lot more of them, than there are of us. Time is on thier side right now. For today, I salute Kafir's brilliant suggestion, and I think it sends a very clear message indeed.
USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at March 27, 2007 03:54 AM (2OHpj)
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Sorry Michael Weaver, but you don't win a war by releasing a virus or disease that will kill your population as well as your enemy's. And even if it were technically feasible, I think you will find Israeli Jews have a healthy (and personal ) distaste for genocide, having been on the receiving end.
Posted by: Kafir at March 27, 2007 07:58 AM (HsmTD)
with respect to your very proper point of view, no kind of warfare is unimagineable any more. It has all been on the table since Communism got nukes.
Don't read my pragmatic grasp of global germ warfare as being an endorsement of preference. My preference is that we do what is smart now, rather than doing what is a desperate last gasp at the end of history.
Fighting a war with weapons that would kill pretty nearly everyone has been a real possibility for long enough that we need to fit it into our thinking. If for no other reason, it will help us remember why a full scale conventional war can be a merciful thing.
Did you read where I called your idea brilliant? It doesn't change the fact that we are losing the long war when dictators can develop thier own 'germs' and nukes, and we sit back and let them.
The world that doriangrey is suggesting, may become a necessity. A necessity is not a choice, or an option. It is a necessity. It may be that the old Mutually Assured Destruction concept isn't deemed an effective psychological deterent to IslamoImperialism. Some say that. I think it is MAD to discard it anyway.
Some nations aren't populated by suicidal freaks waiting for thier 72 virgins. If you make a credible claim to willingness to employ the deadliest weapons, those nations won't create an existential challenge to you. To threaten your existence is to threaten thier own.
With those nations that are embracing the irrationality of the glorifying death cult, we cannot simply count on MAD, since they seem anxious to die. Realistically, if they do not change course soon, we will face a state that posseses the means to wage global germ warefare, and they will be happy to go to Allah, by using it to destroy the infidel. Tell me how a sane person is to respond to THAT reality. Can you?
I respect the proper humanitarian view you have taken regarding genocide. If everything goes reasonablly well, we will not ever have to deal with anything resembling it. The alternative is something like one of those lifeboat survival situations. The one where someone must die, or everyone will die.
Or perhaps it is simply going to be a question of who can we save? Watch 'The Miracle Mile' sometime. If you know it's the end, who do you try and save? Who do you let go of?
I don't advocate genocide either ... today. If backed into a wall, where I had to chose between whoever 'they' are, and whoever 'we' are, I can't say what I would choose to advocate. I believe if you were really willing to sit down and think deeply about this, you would realize that you can't honestly say so either.
Save something, or lose everything? Maybe you'd choose to let the cockroaches win? Maybe humanity had it's shot? If on some future day, it is your finger that rests on the button of decision, and you look at the scales being weighed you might suddenly find yourself 'insane'.
The power to commit genocide isn't going away. Realize it will always be there, and its usage can be provoked.
"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. " Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil, Aphorism 146
USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at March 29, 2007 10:54 AM (2OHpj)
Dhimmi Carter : Palestinian Missiles Aren't Terrorism
Did I mention I hate Dhimmi Carter?:
Jimmy Carter: Most of the condemnations of my book came from Jewish American organizations, which think that I believe there is racial segregation inside Israel. I don’t base it on that. My whole book is written about Palestine and its lands, and about what is going on against the Palestinian people, which is, in my view, very similar, and in some cases even worse, than what happened to the blacks in South Africa. ... I don’t consider... I wasn’t equating the Palestinian missiles with terrorism.
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Nothing sadder than a senile old attention whore. ****************
But for the fact that Jimmauh C was President of the United States, his perpetual antics [as in] always seeking recognition, could be laughed off as a running joke on an old fuck [older than me anyway lol] reliving the sadness surrounding his pathetically lame efforts. *********************
The rub is because he was President of the United Sates [shit be upon us] he remains a dangerous threat to all freedom loving peoples everywhere; on the Korean Peninsula.....Japan.......SE Asia....Iran.....Israel....the ME......Cuba....South America....and us the citizens of the USA. **********************
The Power of the office of the President gave him the power to do great harm and he has never missed an opportunity to put us all at greater risk, back then or now.*********He is truly a loathsome creature.
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MANILA, Philippines - A top al-Qaida-linked militant accused of masterminding the kidnapping of three Americans who was long wanted by U.S. and Philippine authorities has been killed, the military said Wednesday.
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Jainal Antel Sali Jr., popularly known as Abu Sulaiman — a top leader of the Abu Sayyaf rebel group — was fatally shot in a fierce gunbattle Tuesday in a clash with army special forces, military chief Gen. Hermogenes Esperon said.
Sulaiman is the highest-ranking Abu Sayyaf commander killed by U.S.-backed troops. Washington had offered up to $5 million for his capture.
"We have resolved that this group and their major commanders must be finished off, that this notorious group should see its end," Esperon told a news conference.
Sulaiman allegedly helped plot a February 2004 bombing that triggered a ferry fire, killing 116 people in Southeast Asia's second-worst terror attack.
He also was accused of masterminding the kidnapping of three Americans and Filipino tourists from the southeastern island of Palawan in 2001.
One of the Americans, Guillermo Sobero, was beheaded. American missionary Gracia Burnham was wounded and rescued by army commandos after a year in jungle captivity, but her husband, Martin, was killed during the operation.
The kidnappings prompted Philippine authorities to allow the deployment of U.S. troops in the southern Mindanao region to train and arm Filipino soldiers working to wipe out the resilient Abu Sayyaf.
On Tuesday, army forces raided Sulaiman's camp, sparking a three-hour gunbattle through dense forests, said regional army spokesman Maj. Eugene Batara. Other insurgents escaped but troops are chasing them, Batara said.
Villagers on the mountainous southern island of Jolo, a rebel informant and one of the wives of the slain rebel identified his body after the clash between the army's 8th Special Forces Company and about 60 Abu Sayyaf gunmen, about 590 miles south of Manila, Esperon said.
Esperon displayed a picture of the slain militant, then stood up to scribble an `x' mark across Sulaiman's face in a U.S. poster of most-wanted terror suspects.
Esperon said that Sulaiman's death could set off retaliatory attacks, but that the military was ready to thwart any such assaults.
"I believe the activities of the Abu Sayyaf will go down considerably," Esperon said.
Sulaiman, a 41-year-old civil engineer, began his activism by joining the Moro Islamic Liberation Front, a Muslim separatist group that signed a peace accord with the government in 1996.
He broke off from the MNLF due to the accord's signing and decided to work in Saudi Arabia for a few years building highways and buildings, according to police intelligence reports. In the late 1990s, he returned home and joined the Abu Sayyaf.
Having once been a builder, Sulaiman was asked by The Associated Press last year in a telephone interview why he would want to destroy.
He said their attacks were retribution for the many atrocities committed against Muslims worldwide. "I know that being once a builder of things would make me more efficient in destroying them," he said.
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Associated Press Writer Oliver Teves contributed to this report.
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Philippine Armed Forces Chief Gen. Hermogenes Esperon Jr. announces the killing of wanted Abu Sayyaf leader Jainal Antel Sali Jr., also known as Abu Sulaiman, during a hastily called news conference at their headquarters at suburban Quezon city north of Manila, Philippines Wednesday Jan. 17, 2007. Abu Sulaiman, with a $5-million U.S. Dollars reward for his capture, dead or alive, was killed in an encounter with Philippine Army Special Forces in Jolo in southern Philippines Tuesday Jan. 16. Sulaiman's body is projected on the screen. (AP Photo/Bullit Marquez)
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What a waste of good air Carter is, has been and will always be. He just keeps ticking me off!!!!!
Posted by: Wild Thing at January 17, 2007 01:42 PM (tj1zH)
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Carter is a piece of shit traitor who should be tried and executed for numerous crimes against the nation and Constituion, including attempting to get the Russians to help him sabotage Regan's '80 and '84 campaigns.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 17, 2007 02:41 PM (6zYAC)
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Can we just execute this traitorous cunt already? After a fair trial, of course (like the fair elections of commies he's constantly overseeing?)
Posted by: L at January 17, 2007 03:22 PM (Gvo/q)
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Jimmy hates Joos, the left don't care, Jimmy hates Joos, the left don't care, Jimmy hates Joos, the left don't care,
The bastard has his way.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 17, 2007 04:17 PM (abVz3)
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Missiles expressly aimed at civilians for the purpose of killing them and terrorizing them isn't terrorism? THEN WHAT THE FUCK IS TERRORISM YOU SENILE OLD LEFTIST MORON????? Goddam you Leftards make me want to PUKE.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 17, 2007 08:00 PM (8e/V4)
Jimmy Cracker thinks humiliating suicide bombers by walling them off from their intended victims is terrorism. He thinks we should all pay to turn Israel into a Habitat For Inhumanity for the Psuedostinians.
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Jerusalem Post Reports Dems Had Secret Meetings With Hamas (Updated)
Their sources are not the most reliable, but the Jerusalem Post reports that US Democrats spoke secretly with Hamas:
Meanwhile, sources close to the PA government claimed that Hamas representatives recently held talks with officials from the US Democratic Party at an undisclosed location.
The sources told the Bethlehem-based Maan News Agency that Hamas representatives had also held secret talks with officials of European governments, including Britain and France.
Hamas has been designated a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) by the US State Department, and it's illegal for US citizens to give them aid (FTOs and law regarding them explained here). Whether members of Congress, the legislative branch of government, are exempt from this law is unclear. Certainly, agents of the executive branch, who are charged with foreign relations, could engage in negotiations without being in violation.
JERUSALEM – Hamas met with a delegation of "important Democrats" who expressed interest in relations with the Palestinian terror group even if it doesn't recognize the right of Israel to exist, a Palestinian news website claimed today.
Supposedly, the Democrats are amenable to Israel returning to her pre-1967 borders in exchange for a ceasefire from Hamas. They might want to check with Israel first.
Update: The Jerusalem Post has pulled the paragraphs referring to the alleged meeting between Hamas and Democrats. WorldNetDaily has not altered their story. Thanks to commenter Tom Blumer of Bizzyblog, who noticed the revision.
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<i>"Supposedly, the Democrats are amenable to Israel returning to her
pre-1967 borders in exchange for a ceasefire from Hamas. They might
want to check with Israel first."</i>
I think that the Democrats would be amenable to Israel returning to her pre 20th century borders. Hamas ceasefires don't seem to be worth very much. They last long enough for them to improve their aim enough to begin to actually hit Israeli civilians at which point they collapse. And somehow it becomes Israel's fault when that happens.
Posted by: Chuck the Lucky at December 06, 2006 09:00 PM (hgX7d)
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BTW, One gazillion dollars to anyone who can get evidence of exactly who these "important Democrats" were. (What the heck is an "important Democrat" anyway?) Names! We need names!
Posted by: Chuck the Lucky at December 06, 2006 09:23 PM (hgX7d)
Who cares, Israel is negotiating with Hamas for a prisoner swap for Gilad Shalit. 1,400 terrorists including some big shots are going to be freed for Gilad.
Mastermind of 2002 Netanya hotel bombing on Hamas list for prisoner exchange
By Avi Issacharoff and Amos Harel, Haaretz Correspondents and AP
Hamas has recently prepared a list of leading Palestinians held in Israeli prisons that the organization will demand in a possible deal for the exchange of abducted Israel Defense Force soldier Gilad Shalit.
So far, both sides have reached agreement through Egyptian mediation, over the framework of the deal; however they have not finalized the number and identities of the prisoners to be released.
Among those whose release Hamas intends to demand is Abbas Sayed, the mastermind of the massacre at the Park Hotel in Netanya over Passover in 2002, in which 29 civilians were killed.
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The military censor allowed the release yesterday of a report prepared by an IDF investigating team regarding the raid and abduction of two IDF reservists along the northern front by Hezbollah guerrillas in July. The report concluded, on the basis of physical evidence at the site of the attack, that Eldad Regev and Ehud Goldwasser were seriously injured during the attack.
According to the assessments made in the report, one of the two suffered critical injuries, although the report left the identity of the individual ambiguous.
At this time, Israel and Hamas are holding indirect negotiations on the central details of the Shalit deal. Sources familiar with the developments say that if progress is achieved, it is likely that the first stage of the deal will take place in a few weeks.
Early Wednesday, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak told reporters negotiations for Shalit's freedom are "are in their final stage and waiting for Hamas approval" but added, "it seems that there other parties who are intervening against the interest of the Palestinian people." He did not elaborate.
The deal is intended to take place in three stages: In the first, Israel is expected to release about 400 prisoners, among them women, minors and prisoners suffering from health problems. A short while later, or parallel to the initial release, Shalit would be released to Israel.
In the second stage, following the release of Shalit, another large group of Palestinian prisoner would be released. In the third stage, another group of prisoners, considered "heavy duty" figures, would be freed. These include senior members of terrorist organizations, including individuals with "blood on their hands."
Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has hinted recently that he would agree to the release of some prisoners who had been involved in attacks that claimed the lives of Israelis. Nonetheless, the identity of the prisoners who would be released is still unclear; there is some debate over the number and identity of the prisoners who would be freed.
For its part, Hamas is demanding that 400 prisoners be freed in the first part of the deal, and 500 each in the two subsequent parts of the exchange. Israel would like to limit that figure.
However, a senior Israeli source said this week that it is possible that Israel will agree to the release of as many as 1,000 Palestinians.
Palestinian sources told Haaretz yesterday that topping the list of those Hamas wants released, is Sheikh Hassan Yusef, among the leaders of the organization in the West Bank.
Yusef, a resident of Bitunia, near Ramallah, was jailed for his membership in a terrorist organization.
Next in line is Sheikh Mohammed Jamal Natshe, from Hebron. He is also among the leaders of the Hamas political wing in the West Bank.
Also high on the Hamas list is Jamal Abu Hija, who headed the group in the Jenin region.
Another whose release Hamas will demand is Yahiye Sanuar, among the founders of Hamas and its special security arm, a resident of Khan Yunis, and brother of Mohammed Sanuar, considered to be one of the heads of Izz al-Din al-Qassam, the military arm of the organization, and one of those believed to have been involved in the abduction of Gilad Shalit.
Sanuar has been in prison for nearly 20 years, having been sentenced for the murder of Palestinians suspected of collaborating with Israel. He is not considered to have "bloodied his hands" in terrorism against Israelis.
The jailed leader of Tanzim, Marwan Barghouti, is also on the list, as is the Secretary General of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Ahmed Sa'adat, held for his alleged role in the assassination of former minister Rehavam Ze'evi, but sentenced for other violations.
Posted by: Jason Chance at December 06, 2006 10:30 PM (gF3rB)
Don't get smart with me. I never said it was a good deal. That's why I'm posting it. Some big terrorists are going to be freed and that's insane. But what can we do. At least the kid will be freed but at a big price.
Posted by: Jason Chance at December 07, 2006 08:12 AM (gF3rB)
THE al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, an armed wing of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah faction, have threatened for the first time to kill Hamas leaders, including exiled political chief Khaled Meshaal.
The threat marked an escalation in the power struggle between Fatah and the ruling Hamas movement after two days of internal fighting in the Gaza Strip and the occupied West Bank in which 12 Palestinians were killed and more than 100 wounded.
I wish both sides the very best of luck in battle.
Pessimism About Gaza
From the Jerusalem Post, a pessimistic article on the invasion of Gaza by Israeli forces:
ISRAEL IS trapped. If the IDF and the intelligence services cannot locate the hiding place of the kidnappers and if a military raid to secure Shalit's release cannot be undertaken, the option of negotiations becomes more than real. But if Israel does negotiate with the kidnappers, we are almost guaranteed there will be copycat kidnappings every week. So with this on the radar screens, Israel has set the course to bring down the Hamas government. It sounds good and it certainly would have the support of Washington, but what happens after the Hamas government is brought down?
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If Israel does bring down the Hamas government, the most likely scenario will be one of total anarchy and chaos. No one will be able to rule and no one will be safe - not Palestinians and not Israelis.
The kidnapping of Gilad Shalit has placed the Hamas leadership, Abbas and Israel into the same trap. No one wants to be there and no one knows how to get out.
Israel can not give in to the kidnappers without risking a proliferation of kidnappings. Hamas can give in. They can tip off the Israeli government about the location of the soldier, allowing Israel to pull out with its mission accomplished. Will it happen? I don't know, but it is the the best solution for Israel and Hamas.
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Simple one,
Go back to watching UFC trailer trash videos and masturbating to pictures of Asian girls.
Your analysis of the situation in the Middle East is entirely disposable.
Perhaps you would be better suited to analysing episodes of the Jerry Springer show?
You are hurting MY PET JAWA.
Posted by: Darth Vag at July 05, 2006 08:18 AM (+nlyI)
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There is a solution: Israel can simply expel the paleo's from their territory by whatever force is necessary. What is it that has changed in the last hundred years which allows an enemy to go unfought? The entire paleostinian people are enemies of Israel and regularly participate in violence against Israelis. Israel should just level the garbage dumps they call towns and send them packing.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 05, 2006 08:32 AM (v3I+x)
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Israel is the ultimate paper tiger.
These constant shows of "strength" only expose Israel's squeamishness and uncertainty. One question, why is even one single member of Hamas still breathing air? You don't have the backbone, Israel. You blew up a power plant? Big whoop dee doo. The EU will build them another one tommorow. What a waste of a perfectly good army.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at July 05, 2006 09:12 AM (8e/V4)
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You are right Darth Vag. What is with these constant displays of asian whores on this site? Are we visiting a political forum or a massage parlor? Why not show American women on an American web site?
As for Israel if they want peace in their land they must simply destroy all palestenians from the eldest man to the youngest child. Problem solved.
Posted by: True American at July 05, 2006 10:31 AM (Nhfns)
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Darth Vag: Get off the UFC. It's the only sport left that offers any excitement.
IM: Israel can't go that. The Sheehan bitch would demonstrate and call George Bush a killer. Then we would have to listen to more shit from Greg the traitor and these other so-called Americans cry.
True American: Chris at home says that we should ignore his photo's and schroll down to the next subject. He claims they are Jawas worth watching. Maybe so. But should these naked women of the night be rapped in an American Flag. Why can't these whatevers rap themselves in there own flags. AND THEN STAY IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 05, 2006 12:18 PM (oOgZn)
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Total anarchy and chaos. Maybe that's the best thing for them. They seem to thrive on it.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 05, 2006 01:30 PM (i43J1)
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Liberalism has destroyed Israel, but it's kind of ironic, considering that it was mostly Jewish liberals who betrayed the West to the Russians, who basically built the terrorism machine that the Israelis now face every day.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 05, 2006 07:22 PM (v3I+x)
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This world has gone nuts. But wait, up in the sky, it is a bird, a plane, it is the Anti-Christ. I mean Superman. Did I say Anti-Christ who is not human, and had a half human half alien child. I meant to say Superman, who will come to the aid of the world, recieve a mortal wound, save you, and me, and the world will love him for it.
Posted by: Leatherneck at July 05, 2006 08:14 PM (D2g/j)
Krauthammer Hammers Gaza Terrorists
Charles Krauthammer asks, "Who is to blame if Palestinians are setting up rocket launchers to attack Israel -- and placing them 400 yards from a beach crowded with Palestinian families on the Muslim Sabbath?"
This is another example of the Palestinians' classic and cowardly human-shield tactic -- attacking innocent Israeli civilians while hiding behind innocent Palestinian civilians. For Palestinian terrorists -- and the Palestinian governments (both Fatah and Hamas) that allow them to operate unmolested -- it's a win-win: If their rockets aimed into Israeli towns kill innocent Jews, no one abroad notices and it's another success in the terrorist war against Israel. And if Israel's preventive and deterrent attacks on those rocket bases inadvertently kill Palestinian civilians, the iconic "Israeli massacre" picture makes the front page ,of the New York Times, and the Palestinians win the propaganda war.
Being a terrorist who targets Israel seems like an easy job; you are never to blame for anything, you get to play with guns and rockets, and your victims give your government support. The whole "getting blown up by a missile strike" thing is definitely a downside, though...
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Suitcases of Cash
What is going on with the Palestinians? First, they lost $450,000 in a hotel room. Then they were caught with $80,000 at a checkpoint. Now they have carried $22 million into the territories in 2 days in suitcases:
A Hamas government minister returned to the
Gaza Strip on Thursday with $2 million in his luggage for his money-starved government, a day after the foreign minister brought $20 million in cash into the coastal strip.
Security officials said Information Minister Yousef Rizka turned over the money to the Finance Ministry after crossing the border Thursday.
Fearing U.S. anti-terrorism sanctions, international banks have refused to allow Hamas to transfer money electronically to the Palestinian areas. In recent days, Hamas officials have taken matters into their own hands, physically carrying donations in their luggage.
Foreign Minister Mahmoud Zahar arrived with $20 million on Wednesday.
Where are the Ocean's 11 when we need them? The gang from The Italian Job? The Usual Suspects? All busy...anyone have a gun so we can go make some money?
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Posted by: John Hash at July 24, 2006 12:15 PM (A4OsT)
Hamas Shows Incompetence, Ends Ceasefire
Friday, 7 (or 8, depending on the source) Palestinian civilians were killed in an explosion on a Gaza beach. Hamas claims that Israeli artillery shells killed them and used the deaths as an excuse to end the fragile ceasefire with Israel.
An Israel Defense Forces intelligence officer has confirmed that the explosion that killed eight Palestinians on Friday, was caused by a stockpile of Hamas explosives.
"Shortly after we stopped defensive firing at Hamas rocket launch pads which were deployed behind Palestinian human shields, members of Hamas scrambled to fire more rockets at our positions," said Col. M. "We have eyes on every meter of Gaza, from the sky, from the ground and from the sea. One of their rocket tripods collapsed inadvertently setting off an explosion of a stockpile of Qassam rockets. The Palestinians killed their own children. And this was not the first time."
Hamas terrorists fired rockets and mortar bombs from a crowded Gaza beach at southern Israel. Some of the rockets fell near the Israel city of Ashkelon. Some 17 rockets were fired between Saturday and Sunday morning. A man at a school in the Israel town of Sderot was wounded, Israel officials said.
Israel Maj.-Gen. Yoav Galant said today that the Israel Defense Forces has additional evidence that it wasn't Israel artillery that hit the beach in Gaza. Galant, who commands Israel's southern command, said Israel stopped firing 15 minutes before the explosion. It's all on secure videotape from both sides of the conflict. Israel Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said he was sorry about the deaths, which included three children.
Hamas knows what happened, they know their own incompetent terrorists killed their own people. And they still use the incident as an excuse to end the ceasefire. Why? Hamas is in a nasty fight with Fatah over control of the PA government, and the best way to maintain support is to find an external enemy to bring the faithful back into the fold. Wag the dog, if you will.
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They do it because it works. Once having accused Israel, and having the papers pick it up (and Israel of course, in a knee jerk reaction to the death of any innocent, offers remorse over the loss of life...) they get the best of all worlds. Israel is either guilty (even if it was an accident) or the papers are too fearful of making the same mistake twice (well, they always make this same mistake, just not twice in succession) so the papers, if they care to pretend to be unbiased at all, take a "neutral" stance, repeating the accusation against Israel and then adding something along the lines of "but Israel says..."
SO, Israel retains her guilt, while the Palestinaisn are the victims...
I'm not holding my breath waiting for the world to wake up.
Posted by: Rachel Ann at June 12, 2006 05:06 AM (OGPU0)
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How long did it take to make that bull shit up?
Time for you two to wake up
Posted by: david at June 12, 2006 08:26 AM (SL48Z)
Posted by: black Death at June 12, 2006 01:35 PM (/B3gx)
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They are not Palestinians. That is a big fat lie that keeps being written. They are mostly from Jordan, and Egypt. They came to the area to work for Jewish people who were turning the land into something more than dry dirt.
These are the same people who went to war with Israel five times, and lost each time. They are about to go to war again, and this time we helped them get enough area to call it a state.
It is a terrorist state, and they worship Allah. If anyone thinks Allah is the same god the Jews pray to, please search Allah, or moon god. You will get the same result.
ROPMA
Posted by: Leatherneck at June 12, 2006 01:55 PM (D2g/j)
Israel Captures Hamas Military Leader
Using an army bulldozer to break down the walls of his hideout, the Israelis captured Ibrahim Hamed, the most-wanted Hamas terrorist leader on the West Bank.
After an eight-year manhunt, Israeli security forces early Tuesday seized the Ramallah-area commander of Hamas' military wing, Israel's most wanted man in the West Bank.
Sheikh Ibrahim Hamed, 41, has been wanted since 1998 for terror attacks that claimed the lives of 78 of Israeli civilians and soldiers.
Hamed was arrested at a hideout in the al-Balua neighborhood of Ramallah, surrendering to a combined force of Israel Defense Forces Dukefat troops, the Shin Bet security service, and the police anti-terror unit.
Apparently, Hamed decided to surrender, alone and unarmed, when the walls started collapsing. An Israeli military spokesman stated that the capture will significantly impede Hamas' capabilities since Hamed will be hard to replace. He was known to be a creative bomber who allegedly masterminded attacks resulting in the deaths of scores of people.
From the BBC, check out this astonishing statement.
BBC correspondent Caroline Hawley in Jerusalem says it is not clear why the army moved against Hamad.
Excuse me! I'd suggest that the BBC hire a new correspondent to report from Jerusalem.
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I thought these pali terrorists were ferocious fighters? Hands in the air wearing nothing but underwear and surrendering to Jews - my, my, talk about tarnishing an image. Now why isn't a picture of that being splashed all over the blogsphere? Hey, I'd even pay a couple of bucks to see a picture of that....
Posted by: goesh at May 23, 2006 06:40 AM (1w6Ud)
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"....it is not clear......" What stupendous ignorance.....
Posted by: n.a. palm at May 23, 2006 07:11 AM (jybaQ)
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>>>BBC correspondent Caroline Hawley in Jerusalem says it is not clear why the army moved against Hamad.
Naturally, because since Hamas won the election people like him are no longer "activists" but rather "government officials."
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 23, 2006 07:14 AM (8e/V4)
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I like how you can't seem to make any points without being dishonest:
-- snip --
BBC correspondent Caroline Hawley in Jerusalem says it is not clear why the army moved against Hamad.
Hamas has not carried out any suicide attacks for 15 months and Israeli military operations in the past few months have focused instead on the militant Islamic Jihad group, which has been responsible for most of the recent bombs.
-- snip --
The entire thought, then, makes perfect sense. The military has been focusing on Islamic Jihad because they've been the biggest threat lately, so it's unclear why the military shifted focus back to him all of a sudden. In other words, did they get some new information that he was about to do something, a tip, or did they simply see an opportunity?
It only implies innocence on the part of the terrorist if you don't quote properly.
If you can't make your point without lying, you don't have one.
Posted by: TxMxP at May 23, 2006 08:37 AM (gOPcw)
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TxMxP: The statement sounded stupid. Adding that Hamas hasn't claimed responsibility for attacks for 15 months and the Israelis have of late been going after other, more recent, terror groups does not make it sound any smarter.
That would be like saying, Police bulldozed the Zodiac Killer's apartment yesterday and arrested him. It isn't clear why they moved against him. He hasn't committed a murder in years and the police have instead focused on other serial killers since then.
You'll have to do better than that.
Posted by: Oyster at May 23, 2006 09:09 AM (nBOAO)
just because Hamas may (or may not) have committed any atrocities LATELY doesn't mean someone (here Sheikh Ibrahim Hamed) who has been on a Most Wanted list simply falls off that most wanted list. So for an MSM to scratch their heads in puzzlement naturally shows they are quite dimwitted or intentionally obtuse about how Israelis view terrorism.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 23, 2006 09:10 AM (8e/V4)
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p.s., add to that Hamas has not dissavowed terrorism or their intentions to destroy Israel and it makes the BBC reporter sound all that more clueless.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 23, 2006 09:12 AM (8e/V4)
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Uh, TexMexP, there is no statute of limitations on murder. Just so you know.
Posted by: jesusland joe at May 23, 2006 09:34 AM (rUyw4)
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All it says when quoted in context is "Some new development must have triggered this shift in focus, but we don't know what that development was".
It doesn't say anything about him not deserving to be arrested.
It doesn't say anything about some bizarre natural amnesty after so many months.
The only way you can rationally read those things into it is when the first sentence is quoted out of context.
What is your problem with that? Why does it bother you that the BBC doesn't know what the catalyst was for the focus shift?
Posted by: TxMxP at May 23, 2006 09:47 AM (gOPcw)
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>>>"Some new development must have triggered this shift in focus, but we don't know what that development was".
TxMxP,
because there was no "new development" and there was no "shift in focus". What's so hard for you (and the BBC) to understand about that? Same ol terrorist, same ol Hamas. End of story.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at May 23, 2006 10:08 AM (8e/V4)
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I don't believe that's the case. Israel could have rolled in and taken him anytime they wanted if he's just been sitting there for fifteen months.
The long period of inaction coupled with the sudden shift of focus strongly implies that some catalyst caused the raid.
Regardless, it's irrelevant. The point was that the single-line quote was out of context and the correspondent was in no way implying that she didn't know why he deserved to be arrested.
Posted by: TxMxP at May 23, 2006 10:16 AM (gOPcw)
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TxMxP: It doesn't bother me. I just think it sounded stupid. They simply finally found him. That fact doesn't imply a "shift in focus". Unless of course, that is indeed what the writer is implying.
Posted by: Oyster at May 23, 2006 10:19 AM (nBOAO)
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No, I mean, this is what the entire relevant portion of that article seems to be communicating, to me:
"The military has been focusing on Jihad because they've been doing all the attacks. It's unclear why after 15 months they shifted their focus back to Hamad, but we think there's some sort of catalyst for the event"
The comment that's quoted sort of comes out of nowhere in the article, but that says more to me about poor editing of that particular section than it does anything else. I think it might be a bit clearer what the intent was if they'd placed in the actual quote rather than just saying "she said this".
I don't disgree that the quote is bizarre, but my point was that the blurb clearly misquotes it and creates an image that just isn't there.
Posted by: TxMxP at May 23, 2006 10:28 AM (gOPcw)
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Why do you bother to list a trackback when it results in:
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Posted by: Don Singleton at May 23, 2006 10:30 AM (+Yrlm)
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Then you admit it's a matter of interpretation. If one is expecting this blog to be dishonest or to not be in line with one's thoughts, one will easily find any number of ways to interpret every post the way they want. We already have a few people here who do that regularly. Mike interpreted it as an "astonishing statement" then after a number of back and forth comments you finally admit that you "don't disgree that the quote is bizarre", but you continue to berate anyone else who thinks so too.
Allow me to try and make myself clearer even though this may seem petty:
The following statement, "...Israeli military operations in the past few months have focused instead..." seems to be saying to me that the author is implying that they can't or aren't multi-tasking and have had no focus on his capture. What I'm saying is that this is assuming too much. If al Qaeda stops attacks for 15 months and we then capture Osama, have we 'changed focus' because other groups have vied for attention? And how would saying that justify a statement made like the stupid one we're arguing about?
Asserting that we should assume what they said really means a particular thing then why can't we assume that Mike didn't mean anything more than it was a stupid statement without qualifying it with other assumptions?
If they had merely said they don't know what led to his capture we could have avoided all this.
Posted by: Oyster at May 23, 2006 11:06 AM (nBOAO)
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My problem is strictly that the individual peice of text quoted is out of context. The entire thought forms the message, but only one small piece of it is conveyed here. Whatever you think the motivation may have been for that piece of text being in the BBC article, it creates the impression that the correspondent is saying "I don't know why they chose to arrest this man", when the entire thought doesn't convey that at all.
Regardless of whether you love or hate the BBC piece, the fact is that here it was quoted out of context.
>>If they had merely said they don't know what led to his capture we could have avoided all this.
I agree, but they didn't, so as far as the article goes the only thing that can be honestly concluded is that it's meaning is unclear due to a poor choice of words.
Posted by: TxMxP at May 23, 2006 11:39 AM (gOPcw)
17"...it creates the impression that the correspondent is saying "I don't know why they chose to arrest this man","
I didn't get that impression. But hey, it seems you did. Whether or not it was intended is another thing. If you keep looking for a snake, you'll find one. I think you're looking for snakes.
Posted by: Oyster at May 23, 2006 11:52 AM (nBOAO)
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Interesting thread and Oyster is exactly right. My point was that the statement is bizarre. As for context, there is none. This comment thread attests to several contextual versions of what is possible. So, in reality, the statement wasn't taken out of context because the context was create-your-own. And, even if you disagree with that, the statement is still astonishing in my opinion.
Personally, I tend to think that TxMxP has a hard spot with me specifically, calling me dishonest and a liar. I have no idea where the ad hominem attack came from. I do know that attacking me won't make the BBC statement any less bizarre.
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Anyone who hears something different than the texmexicanpee is a liar. This turkey should apply for a job with the Clintons.
Posted by: greyrooster at May 23, 2006 04:49 PM (BEvWK)
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>>Personally, I tend to think that TxMxP has a hard spot with me specifically, calling me dishonest and a liar.
Note in general, only as far as this goes. Beyond this, I don't know anything about you. It could have been an honest mistake.
The point remains: the context changes when you only quote that one little piece. The entire thought was contained in two paragraphs, and you should have quoted the entire thought, especially considering what you did quote was a summary of a statement, not an actual piece of speech.
Posted by: TxMxP at May 23, 2006 06:53 PM (ZNd6p)
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Why is it the lefturds are so quick to run their mouths when a terrorist gets killed or captured, but are deafeningly silent when one kills a bunch of innocent people?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at May 24, 2006 04:46 AM (0yYS2)
Hamas Appointment Reaffirms Terrorist Roots
Hopes held by some that Hamas' new responsibilities as the elected government of the Palestinian Authority would civilize the terrorist organization fade a little more each day.
GAZA (Reuters) - A militant leader appointed to a senior security position in the Hamas-led Palestinian government said on Friday he would not abandon the fight against Israel which has long sought to kill him.
Jamal Abu Samhadana, high on Israel's most wanted list as leader of the Popular Resistance Committees (PRC), was appointed on Thursday to supervise the Interior Ministry and set up a new police force from militants to crack down on anarchy and chaos.
"Factions and security services should unite in one trench against the daily Israeli aggression against our people," Abu Samhadana told Reuters in an interview.
In case there was any hope that high office and its responsibilities would mellow Samhadana:
"I will continue to hold the rifle and will pull the trigger whenever required to defend my people," he said.
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Yes Hamas is screwing up I wonder how the elctorate will vote once they get hungry. But that may be Hamas' goal. Get the aid cut and foster hunger and unrest. Seems like a path to war to me. Like they are saying hick my ass please. With no home of winning coule they really be that silly. Probably.
Posted by: Howie at April 21, 2006 11:19 AM (D3+20)
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Guess who got this terror state next to Israel to exist? That's right, it is the good old USA.
Is it any wonder we have been getting hurricanes out the wazoo? How about back to back 500 year storms, mud slides, range fires, no rain like never before, and the Sun burning 30% greater than ever. That is just this country. Look at the rest of the world.
You say you do not believe in G-d? Fine, keep getting abortions, keep allowing homos to marry, keep having sex with children, worshipping false gods, not believeing in sin, etc...
Sorry folks, I'm just pissed off about that moon god worshipper they caught in Georgia.
Posted by: Leatherneck at April 21, 2006 02:38 PM (D2g/j)
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The Israelis should just exterminate the paleostinians like the vermin they are.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 22, 2006 05:12 AM (0yYS2)
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I am a coward from San Diego. I perform fellatio on random men to earn pocket money. My mother died last year. She got AIDS from being a crack whore. I have no idea who my father was.
Posted by: San Diego Hacker at April 22, 2006 11:04 AM (ahHK1)
Hamas Officially Endorses Suicide Attack
A Palestinian suicide bomber murdered 8 people outside a falafel house in Tel Aviv today, the carnage limited because a security guard prevented the teenager from entering the restaurant.
A Hamas spokesman, Sami Abu Zuhri called the attack "a natural result of the continued Israeli crimes against our people," adding that Palestinians were "in a state of self-defense and they have every right to use all means to defend themselves," according to Reuters.
So here we have the raionale used by brave jihadi babyhunters everywhere: self-defense - a view endorsed by a majority of the Palestinian people.
All those Jews armed with falafels; who knows what they might be capable of?
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Found this article from the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs - "Understanding the Direction of the New Hamas Government: Between Tactical Pragmatism and Al-Qaeda Jihadism"
This article should tell us what we expect to see from this new Hamas “governmentâ€...
“Hamas’ tactical agreement to play by the democratic rules was a Trojan horse. It exploited the fragmentation of Fatah and the weakness of the Palestinian Authority to achieve political dominance as a first stage toward establishing Islamic rule that will implement Sharia law and lead, in fact, to the eradication of democracy.â€
“Hamas Interior Minister Said Sayyam, who is responsible for the Palestinian security forces, publicly committed himself on March 24, 2006, not to order arrests of operatives who carry out terror attacks…It should come as no surprise that the Palestinian Authority under Hamas rule is becoming a safe haven for Islamic terror organizations…â€
If you want to see the rest of this article.. http://www.jcp a.org/brief/brief005-22.htm
Posted by: JerusalmBlogger at April 17, 2006 10:15 AM (4sL4v)
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A government endorses an attack by its citizens against the citizens of another country. That sounds like a declaration of war to me..........or rather, yet ANOTHER declaration of war.
Posted by: Graeme at April 17, 2006 10:20 AM (RJuG/)
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A government endorses an attack by it citizens against the citizens of another country. That sounds like a declaration of war to me........or rather, yet ANOTHER declaration of war.
Posted by: Graeme at April 17, 2006 10:24 AM (RJuG/)
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I like Hamas because it doesn't pussyfoot around like Fatah did. Hamas is the kind of enemy the IDF can do real business with.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 17, 2006 10:28 AM (8e/V4)
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They are sooooo bombed. Hamas is just asking for it on the chin.
Posted by: Ernie Oporto at April 17, 2006 10:30 AM (/lpvu)
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If there were no more palestinians then there would be no more problem...
Think about it.
Posted by: Victory for the USA at April 17, 2006 10:31 AM (y+196)
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"A Palestinian suicide bomber murdered 8 people outside a falafel house in Tel Aviv today..."
I'm waiting for the driveby media to get 6 or 7 Israeli generals together to start bashing the Israeli political leadership...
after all, Israel must be a poorly planned 'occupation'...because they haven't been able to ensure "the peace" and still suffer from suicide bombers. So by the logic of leftists and the MSM, the existance of Israel must be a failure also..right?
Posted by: mrclark at April 17, 2006 12:00 PM (S76hi)
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The Israelis need to quit screwing around and exterminate the paleostinian animals.
Posted by: Improbulus maximus at April 17, 2006 12:35 PM (0yYS2)
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I.M., the term animals is to good for them. I think something like demons, cancer, or worshippers of Satan. Something like that.
Animals do not throw their young in the fire, or ask them to blow themselves up for their false god. Perhaps, it is time for Israel to wipe them off the face of the earth. I can not stand those sick Hamas eaters of swine, and dog.
Posted by: Leatherneck at April 17, 2006 06:06 PM (D2g/j)
Read your history books. It was the Zionist movement during WW1 that decided to move into Israel and claim it form themselves, ousting the Palestinians who lived there for centuries.
The real answer is maybe people shouldn't evict others from their ancient homelands. . . . . . tends to piss people off
And no, I do not support Hamas.
Posted by: Garner at April 22, 2006 01:23 PM (x7v0S)
UN Agency Handling Palestinian Aid Linked to Terrorism
On Saturday, I wrote that the United States and the European Union are cutting off funding to the Palestinian Authority now that Hamas has taken control. Apparently, the announced aid cuts are merely a shellgame.
On April 7, the Washington Postreported that US aid to Palestinians is being redirected through the U.N. Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA). As the Wall Street JournalOpinion Journaldiscovered three years ago, the UNRWA has been infiltrated by terrorist sympathizers, and the "refugee" camps administered by UNRWA are, in reality, terrorist training camps (via IRIS Blog).
US, EU Shut Off Money Tap to Palestinian Authority
As I pointed out here after the Hamas election win, it is illegal for the US to give aid to a designated Foreign Terrorist Organization.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States and the European Commission suspended aid to the new Hamas-led Palestinian government on Friday, pushing the Palestinian Authority closer to financial collapse.
The State Department, making its announcement, said it would boost humanitarian aid to the Palestinians through U.N. agencies to avoid widespread distress in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, but the United States would not fund an organization committed to the destruction of Israel.
But surely, their Muslim brothers will rush in to fill the gap?
Hamas has appealed to Arab states and Iran to fill the shortfall, but has not even been able to find a bank willing to handle its finances.
Maybe because its chief (only) export is terrorism.
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Well it's about damn time. Now to start killing them.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 08, 2006 05:57 AM (0yYS2)
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I've got some money for those heathens.........it's wrapped around a 20 kiloton nuclear warhead.
Posted by: n.a. palm at April 08, 2006 08:26 AM (eXs2X)
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Much of that money will instead go to U.N. relief programs in the palestinian territories...which means the actual palestinians will see little of it themselves.
Hamas was elected by an overwhelming majority of the paleostinian people, proving that indeed the paleostinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 08, 2006 08:41 AM (8e/V4)
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Screw the paleostinians. The only help they need is in the form of a nuclear missile to send them straight to hell. They are verminous animals and should be exterminated.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 08, 2006 09:25 AM (0yYS2)
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Atheists are America's least trusted group, according to a national survey conducted by university sociology researchers. Based on a telephone survey of more than 2,000 households and in-depth interviews with more than 140 people, researchers found that Americans rate atheists below Muslims, recent immigrants, homosexuals and other groups as "sharing their vision of American society." Americans are also least willing to let their children marry athEISTS ..... The best way to understand the nature of atheism is to understand its author. Satan is its author.
It’s important to remain conscious of the fact that Satan had his origin in heaven, and is thoroughly familiar with the fact of the existence of God, heaven, the angels, hell and etc. Thus despite what you have been previously deceptively taught and despite the deceptive dictionary’s meaning of atheism, atheism is properly defined as a denial of the existence of God in the midst of full knowledge that the true God does indeed exist. Atheism knows God exists; it is quite familiar with that fact, but it says “under no circumstance or situation will I admit to God’s existence.â€
Atheism clearly perceives the fingerprints of God on all of creation, but refuses to admit He is the Creator. Atheism perceives the divine authorship of the TEN COMMANDMENTS, but refuses to admit that God is their Author. Atheism perceives the decorousness and perfection of the TEN COMMANDMENTS, but refuses to admit they are superior to all other laws. Atheism clearly perceives the divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ, but refuses to admit His divinity. If an atheist could see the wounds in the body of Christ and actually feel them with his hands, he would deny that the wounds are there. Atheism is deliberate effort to never admit the existence of God.
Atheism is the ultimate of Satanism. Ask Satan does God exist and he will deny it. Ask him does Satan exist and he will deny his own existence even while in your presence. Atheism holds the Bible in one hand, but deny its existence by denying its truth with the other.
Posted by: The Dutch Guy at April 08, 2006 10:29 AM (zqsRN)
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Maybe it's just me, but why is the US sending money to the PA?? Is there really NOTHING else for us to spend our tax dollars on? I never have understood this. Why would the US support in any way an entity that appears to be the mortal enemy of Israel? What did I miss?
Posted by: Richard at April 08, 2006 02:10 PM (7KF8r)
A report, "House Agrees to Extend Holocaust Tax Break" (Associated Press, June 5, 2002), states that a bill proposing yet another tax break for Jews passed the house by a vote of 392 to 1.
The following comes directly from the Internal Revenue Service web page, www.irs.gov, and quite frankly, it speaks for itself.
"Any restitution payments made to holocaust victims and their heirs are excluded from gross income. Therefore, taxpayers should not include these payments as income when filing Federal tax returns.
"A victim of the holocaust is anyone who was persecuted on the basis of race, religion, physical or mental disability or sexual orientation by Nazi Germany, any other Axis regime or any other Nazi-controlled or Nazi-allied country."
Did you hear that, America? More special privileges for Jews and homosexuals. Don't you just have to ask yourself the question - Why should Christ-hating Jews get special tax privileges when white Christian Americans don't? In the near future, the Jews will give themselves more special privileges to include special tax exemption and "restitution payments" if they have ever been "persecuted" by any Christian Church. Wouldn't it be great for the Jews to get several billion dollars a year from the Southern Baptists? Let's not forget the Catholics and those mean old Mormons.
You better stand up now, decent white man and woman.
Posted by: The Dutch Guy at April 08, 2006 02:28 PM (zqsRN)
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U.S. Aid to Israel: What U.S. Taxpayer Should Know
This morning as I was walking down Shuhada Street in Hebron, I saw graffiti marking the newly painted storefronts and awnings. Although three months past schedule and 100 percent over budget, the renovation of Shuhada Street was finally completed this week. The project manager said the reason for the delay and cost overruns was the sabotage of the project by the Israeli settlers of the Beit Hadassah settlement complex in Hebron. They broke the street lights, stoned project workers, shot out the windows of bulldozers and other heavy equipment with pellet guns, broke paving stones before they were laid and now have defaced again the homes and shops of Palestinians with graffiti. The settlers did not want Shuhada St. opened to Palestinian traffic as was agreed to under Oslo 2. This renovation project is paid for by USAID funds and it makes me angry that my tax dollars have paid for improvements that have been destroyed by the settlers.
Most Americans are not aware how much of their tax revenue our government sends to Israel. For the fiscal year ending in September 30, 1997, the U.S. has given Israel $6.72 billion: $6.194 billion falls under Israel's foreign aid allotment and $526 million comes from agencies such as the Department of Commerce, the U.S. Information Agency and the Pentagon. The $6.72 billion figure does not include loan guarantees and annual compound interest totalling $3.122 billion the U.S. pays on money borrowed to give to Israel. It does not include the cost to U.S. taxpayers of IRS tax exemptions that donors can claim when they donate money to Israeli charities. (Donors claim approximately $1 billion in Federal tax deductions annually. This ultimately costs other U.S. tax payers $280 million to $390 million.)
When grant, loans, interest and tax deductions are added together for the fiscal year ending in September 30, 1997, our special relationship with Israel cost U.S. taxpayers over $10 billion.
Since 1949 the U.S. has given Israel a total of $83.205 billion. The interest costs borne by U.S. tax payers on behalf of Israel are $49.937 billion, thus making the total amount of aid given to Israel since 1949 $133.132 billion. This may mean that U.S. government has given more federal aid to the average Israeli citizen in a given year than it has given to the average American citizen.
I am angry when I see Israeli settlers from Hebron destroy improvements made to Shuhada Street with my tax money. Also, it angers me that my government is giving over $10 billion to a country that is more prosperous than most of the other countries in the world and uses much of its money for strengthening its military and the oppression of the Palestinian people.
You may have noticed that I changed the "posted by" on all your posts to the same name. That's because I don't allow sock puppets or posers on my threads. If you want to play that way, go somewhere else.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 08, 2006 03:40 PM (0yYS2)
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Wow, two genocidal maniacs in one post--Our neonazi dutch guy, and the guy who thinks ALL Palestinians should be annihilated like vermin. Even the toddlers and babies, my little Hitler-in-training? What a gem you are, IM, a sparkling example of humanity. You and Dutch guy should set up a competition to see who can eliminate more of the groups you hate.
I'm glad we aren't funding Hamas, as they are killers without remorse. But I do have a serious question. Now that they are in government, are they terrorists? Every definition of terrorism that the US uses that I've seen has "non-state" actor in it. This is how things like mining Nicaraguan civilian harbors don't count as terrorism. They can be state sponsors of terrorism, for sure. But if a government commits an act of violence against civilians of another country...that's war, not terrorism. Right?
Of course, we could avoid this for some time by saying that there is no Palestinian state, just an embryonic authority.
And to answer the question--we have been funding the PA since its formation, in the hopes (perhaps vain ones) that it would contribute to peace emerging. We spend upwards of 3 billion a year for aid to Israel, about 2 billion and change to Egypt, and a nice chunk (used to be a billion, but it is down now) to Jordan, along with about 500k (?) to the PA in the hope that if we pay enough, the four of them can be bribed not to kill each other. If, someday, peace comes, think of the cost savings! But more seriously, the poverty under the PA is unbelievable, and without foreign aid, there would be a vast humanitarian crisis. A Somalia, next to a strategic ally.
Posted by: jd at April 08, 2006 07:48 PM (uT71O)
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Yesterday, it was reported, "US freezes aid to Palestinian government."
If only, look closely at the statement from the State Department - "while increasing humanitarian aid to the Palestinians through U.N. agencies."
Thursday, Abdul had to worry about beans OR bullets. Thanks to those compassionate conservatives, now he only has to worry about bullets. Sweet.
How clever was this of Dr. Rice, and on a Friday afternoon. Not just another pretty face.
Posted by: allen at April 08, 2006 10:58 PM (n8vUh)
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JD, you're either with civilization or with the islam, and all mulsims are enemies of civilizations. We must exterminate them or they will destroy us.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 09, 2006 07:08 AM (0yYS2)
16Maybe it's just me, but why is the US sending money to the PA??
Because we're sappy dumbasses.
People need to understand the consequences of their actions. The Palestinians are about to get a dose of hard financial reality.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 09, 2006 08:33 AM (l6Jdw)
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Uh, IM--you do realize that the vast majority of Kurds are Muslims? The people you are defending on the other thread are the ones you want to genocidally eliminate here.
I'm not one of those liberals that looks on with happy smiles at Islam, and imagines that there are not huge problems with even moderate Islamists. At the same time, it is worth noting that prior to the Renaissance, it was a better deal to be a Jew in most Islamic cities than it was to be a Jew in the West. We underwent a historic shift in our views of the intersection between temporal and religious authorities, our views on the rights of individuals. The Islamic world is in desperate need for such a reformation. What is needed is not a war on Islam, a war of extermination like you propose. What is needed is a war within Islam, a war sometimes fought with bullets and bombs, and sometimes fought with words and ideas. In that war, given our current image, we will sometimes hurt the side we want to win by allying too closely with it. But with deft actions, we can assist Islam to come into the 21st century.
Are you really serious that all Muslims must be killed? I'd like to think you are just being bombastic and extreme for effect.
Posted by: jd at April 09, 2006 08:42 AM (uT71O)
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How are the Kurds our unconditional allies that we should trust them? They are allies of convenience, nothing more. As long as one muslim lives, civilization is threatened.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 09, 2006 09:47 AM (0yYS2)
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I'll take that as a yes to the question of whether you support genocide against the Muslims. I can't tell you how sick I think that idea is. Islamic civilization has produced many things of beauty and utility. Read the Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam sometime. Many works of Islamic literature have inspired writers in the west and elsewhere. Islamic jurisprudence was influential on many Talmudic scholars when Islam was far more open to Jewish discourse than anywhere in the West. Islam for centuries best-preserved the learnings of the greeks. And there is great humanity in Islam, amid the activities you and I both abhor. Read Bernard Lewis for a neo-con account of the good, great, and awful in Islam. There have been architectural and scientific contributions as well.
But more importantly, even without all those contributions, advocating genocide is morally repugnant. I cannot think of a worse thing to advocate. It is Hitlerian in its moral outlook. You are the mirror image of bin Laden, although even he does not go as far as you. He has not called for the killing of Christians and Jews all over the world. That sick bastard wants to kill us until he can set up his caliphate, but he doesn't want to kill us in New Jersey after that happens. You, apparently, want to kill all Muslims, everywhere. That makes you worse than bin Laden...congratulations!
Posted by: jd at April 09, 2006 10:16 AM (uT71O)
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For example: Muslims saved my ex-girlfriend's family in 1991. They were going to be killed by Saddam, trapped in the invasion of Kuwait. They disguised themselves, and fled north. Only with the assistance of Kurds did they make it Turkey. The Kurds refused payment, saying it was a religious obligation to aid the persecuted. Islam is not the monster you make it out to be. It is a religion in need of a reformation, not in need of genocidal eradication.
Posted by: jd at April 09, 2006 10:19 AM (uT71O)
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I agree with jd on the point of a Muslim Reformation being preferable to a war of extermination against Islam.
And the way to bring about that Reformation is...exactly what we have been doing; promoting liberal (in the classical sense) democracy in the Middle East so that Fundamentalist regimes suffer by comparison.
More has been accomplished in the past four years of active engagement than in the past forty of misguided laissez-faire and realpolitik non-action.
22"Now that they are in government, are they terrorists? Every definition of terrorism that the US uses that I've seen has "non-state" actor in it." Yes, they're still terrorists. Palestine is not a state.
Posted by: Oyster at April 10, 2006 06:01 AM (YudAC)
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I can't believe it, my co-worker just bought a car for $11703. Isn't that crazy!
Posted by: Betsy Markum at May 31, 2006 10:22 AM (o1lEG)
On Hamas as OK, somewhat equivalent to Israel
Hello hello again, readers. I have been AWOL as of late, but I wanted to share an interesting hobby that I have acquired before I return into my wine-induced slumber.
Reading college newspapers, especially the editorials, always provides a chuckle or two. I think it's something about the mix of idealism of change yet the laziness to enact change that just nails the irony bone in the right spot. Of course, there are those creative editorials that attempt to advance typical left-wing talking points; I guess there is something to be said for truly mimicking the national media, just it seems too easy to do on a college campus as those places generally are leftist echo chambers.
That said, I found an editorial today that even took the wind out of my sails. The race between "sad" and "mind-bendingly funny" is pretty close, so I leave it to others to judge.
The jist is that Hamas' rise to power isn't really so bad. So what? We have heard that a thousand times before in stories of Hamas' "pragmatism". No, what makes this great (and something that could only be pulled off in print on a college campus) is the stated position that Hamas and Israel are in fact very similar. The editorial, from the student newspaper of George Washington University, tries to toe a fine line -- both validate Hamas through comparisons with Israel, yet still twist facts to demonstrate Israel's villiany. Logically, that makes little sense, but don't worry. The author is a senior, majoring in Middle East studies, so I sure he just knows a more subtle version of the truth than we do.
I provide some of my point-by-point opinions behind the fold, but I leave you with a taste of what the editorial has in store...
While it refuses to recognize the state of Israel, there is a historical point worth noting: at the initiation of the Oslo process in 1993, Israel had not recognized the Palestinians right to a state. Even informal recognition did not come until Ehud Barak was elected prime minister several years later. A formal public statement acknowledging the right of Palestinians to a state was not made until Ariel Sharon became prime minister. In spite of this lack of recognition, the Palestinians pursued negotiations with the Israelis, hoping that a viable state would come in the final agreement. The precedent exists for engaging in negotiations without recognition at the outset.more...
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While it's true, attacks did diminish in 2005, it has also diminished each year since a peak in 2002 of 452 fatalities caused by Palestinian terrorists in general. What proof is there that this is due to Hamas' restraint in particular? None. Looks more like a trend than anything to me. I'd venture to guess the decline in '05 has as much to do with the demise of Arafat and those too busy jostling for position afterward to coordinate attacks and other factors as in previous years.
As you can see, the total number of Israeli deaths by Palestinian terrorists has decreased by about half each year from '02 - '05
In 2002 Hamas, in particular, claimed responsibility for 144 of those deaths. In '03 they claimed 77 and in 04 they claimed a total of 30. I can't find much data for 05 but it's, at the very least, 6. The death rate was cut by half for them as well each year since 2002. None of these include the many failed attacks.
That's 257 deaths total and at least 895 injured.
So a claim that the reduction in terror related deaths is due to restraint initiated by Hamas in February of last year is not supported by the facts. This "self-imposed ceasefire" came only after a double suicide attack which killed 6 and wounded 5 in Jan 05 and then there was at least one other, also Hamas related, in August which seriously injured two, but only because the bombers were stopped from entering a mall where the damage and death count could have been much bigger.
And that's just fisking one paragraph. This guy is talking out of his nether regions.
Posted by: Oyster at March 09, 2006 12:47 PM (rf0W8)
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On Heroism True
Sometimes, maybe once in a generation, a true hero stands up. An epic figure who does not care what others say or what others may think. These giants of humanity are not afraid to be alone and hold their ground in the face of overwhelming odds. We see these people and think they are John the Baptist reborn, a lone voice in the wilderness.
Today, ladies and gentlemen, we have seen one of these heroes. I present to you, the Honorable Representative of the 1st District in Hawai'i, Neil Abercrombie.
When presented the chance today to vote on the bill "expressing the sense of Congress that no United States assistance should be provided directly to the Palestinian Authority if any representative political party holding a majority of parliamentary seats within the Palestinian Authority maintains a position calling for the destruction of Israel," Representative Abercrombie had the courage to oppose the votes of Reps. Jackson (D-IL), Jackson-Lee (D-TX), Conyers (D-MI), and Minority Leader Pelosi (D-CA). He also managed to oppose the vote of Majority Leader Boehner (R-OH) at the same time.
Represenative Abercrombie was the lone 'Nay' vote.
For some reason, I am reminded of an old Monty Python sketch on the value of not being seen. Really, if you feel this way, maybe it would have been best for you to not stand up. Though it helps me weed out the mega-loons from the regular nuts.
Take some time to let Rep. Abercrombie know how you feel here.
Posted by: Leopold Stotch at February 15, 2006 09:57 PM (2oQaU)
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Did anyone bother to click on his "Iraq watch" button ? He also voted yes on one of the bills with the strongest language to bring the troops home from Iraq.
Posted by: john ryan at February 15, 2006 09:57 PM (TcoRJ)
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You are the only one to publish his name. The press is silent on who voted against this. Talk about secrecy!
Posted by: Fred Fry at February 15, 2006 10:31 PM (HJnrm)
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I'm not American. I'm an Aussie, so I don't think I should criticise how your poli's vote. I'm glad Australia stuck with the US in Iraq.
Posted by: jonny at February 15, 2006 11:32 PM (nytWC)
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No one could ever be further out there than Neil ( pronounced Kneel ).
He's lampooned in the Movie classic "Joe vs The Volcano". The scene with the yellow taxi: it's his personal campaign car, unique in all Hawaii.
All of the jibes about a counter-dependent personality are spot of for Neil.
He has been a terrible child all his 'adult' life.
Posted by: blert at February 16, 2006 02:22 AM (kxhLo)
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Maybe he was just intellectually incapable of understanding what the vote was about?
Posted by: Don Miguel at February 16, 2006 08:42 PM (UAn5X)