1 Gloabl warming hysteria is a multi billion dollar a year industry, in North America alone.           USA, all the way!

2 Pollute all you want for less at Buzzy's Bargain Carbon Credits.  Will this be the next pet rock?  You think that the UN's oil for food scam was big, just wait till this one comes unraveled. 

3 "Weather Patter"???
 
Typo or deliberate wordplay?
 
American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source



pat·ter ²       (pât'ər)  Pronunciation Key 
v.   pat·tered, pat·ter·ing, pat·ters

v.   intr.


To speak or chatter glibly and rapidly.
To mumble prayers in a mechanical manner.
v.   tr.
To utter in a glib, rapid, or mechanical manner.

n.  

The jargon of a particular group; cant.
Glib rapid speech, as of an auctioneer, salesperson, or comedian.

Meaningless talk; chatter.
 
Ben

4 "The jargon of a particular group; cant.
Glib rapid speech, as of an auctioneer, salesperson, or comedian.

Meaningless talk; chatter.
 
Ben"

So Ben is synonymous with rapid, meaningless chatter. I'll keep that in mind.

Thanks!

1 Fuck, you're stupid. Whatever. You've lost. By ignoring reason, and reality, you're entire cause is tanking. Thank fuck.

2 John Goy:


Can you prove your contrary ranting? Not just the part about rational people being stupid, but that "global warming" is a real threat?


I want proof, not inanities about non-existent consensus and phony stats.


Moron.

3 Good Lt snow in the winter even one inch is not unusual. Nor would 12 inches of snow disprove Global Warming.
Tempretures around the globe are rising by all scientific analysis.

4 John lyin:


According to your unscientific claim, NOTHING would disprove global warming hysteria.


Your claim that "tempretures around the globe are rising by all scientific analysis" is a flat out lie.


Try again.

5 Well for one thing, there's all of those scientists, and scientific bodies:

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686

As oppose to those few scientists and rightwing think tanks who oddly enough seem to be on the take from people who stand to lose a whole lotta dough should we suddenly cut back on the amount of energy we consume:

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/denialmachine/

"Rational" is not something one finds at the Jawa Report.

6 The earth warmed up by less than .3 degreees C in the first fifty years cooler slightly by .1 degree C  from 1950 to 1975 and has risen by .55 degree C from 1975 to 2005.
 
Link to one article that proves otherwise.  All  I ask is one, just one.
 
When you can't get your facts correct, you look the fool that you are.
 
 

7 Actually now that the global warming debate is over since it won the oscars can the loons move on to something else to harp on. Oh and is the Al Goreans ready to trade in their cars and use public transportation or ride a bike? Got me a nice Huffy from Walmart and ride over 6 miles a day weather depending. ( Walmart that evil NWO entity).

8 Well in Canuckistan we have 1 lefty taking money from a company that makes hybrid cars to promote hybrid cars.
 
http://no-libs.com/?p=1458
 
 
Imagine,
 

9

John,

 I know I spit on you sometimes, but give this a chance ... Literally tens of billions are being funnelled to scientists, and media outlets that support the global warming alarmist program. The cash money they recieve already outstripped the entire value of Haliburton, assets and everything. I admit I'm guessing on this part, but based on what I've found poking around, it may be provable that more money goes towards alarmism, than is actually made in profits by all the major oil companies combined.

Now factor in the money that can be made in making a movie about it, or writing books about it, or any number of other ways to cash in on the alarmism, and you can see why the accusation that so called 'deniers' are on the take, just doesn't seem to have weight.

I threw a bunch of links at Osamabinwearingwool, many that support my arguement here. I can dig them up again if you like. you might ask Osamabintakenhistime to tell you what HE has found out by following those links. I have one transcript from a canadian government agency that was tossing around the figure of "6 billion" dollars of tax payers money, and how it was spent on global warming hysteria.

Really-really, you need to at least look at the money going the other way. If money automatically means corruption, the Al Gore, etc are covered in it.  If we play fair.

USA, all the way!

10 John.   I don't make any money being a 'denier'.  I'm only after the truth on this issue.  I hope you will accept that.        USA, all the way!

11 John Goy:


The idiotic moonbat links you provided offered not one shred of proof for the global warming disaster scenario.


I guess you figured I wouldn't bother to check them out. Try again, tard-boy.

12 Snivel Behaviour:


You cant prove the ridiculous claims you made, therefore I don't need to disprove them. Cretin.

13 civil behavior  your challange on #6 is noted, and although my global warming files are still a mess, I'll save this thread, and get back to you with some material. I will point out that my stance is anti-alarmist, not so much anti-warming. That said, there IS room for debate, and I'm not afraid to go there.  It may be a few days, but I will remind you.     USA, all the way!

14 Thanks. I have some argumenst disputing the pattern of warming somewhere as well.     I'll find them, but thanks for the lead in.       
             USA, all the way!

15 Here in northern california we got over 1 foot of snow and still these AL GORE wackos blabber about GLOBAL WARMING and dont forget AL GORE did,nt arive on foot HE CAME IN A GAS GUZZLING 4 MPG LIMO

16 Very good work!

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1 Good Lt.,
I for one don't believe the Almighty Creator put us on this plant just to watch us get whacked by a meteor.
I think He's got other plans for us :-)

2 This "cosmic catastrophes" gibberish is too Al Gorish for me.
 
You post too much useless shit, Good Leftenant.

3 As long as we're looking for things to scare us into wetting our pants, how about Yellowstone erupting?

4 A scientist named Stephen Holland left this on the gamma-ray-burst thread:


GRB 060218 was not the nearest gamma-ray burst.


That honour goes to GRB 980425, which was ten times


closer. The reality is that gamma-ray bursts are


not much of a risk to us. On would need to be very


close to use to pose a threat, and it would need to


be pointed directly at us, which is unlikely because


gamma-ray bursts are highly beamed. Worry about


Yellowstone erupting, or a comet striking us before


you worry about gamma-ray bursts.

5 Bush did it.

6 #3 nailed it. An eruption of the Yellowstone Caldera would END the United States and Canada. Period. Exclamation point. Ellipsis... ;^)

In 2036 I'll be 78, so what I'll probably do is take a lawn chair out of my ranch house in the State of Baja, pop open a US-brewed Tecate, put a US-grown lime in it, and watch the show with a line of US-distilled Heradura Reposado shots at the ready (No training wheels).

Oh, I might pop some corn for the show.

I'm wondering if the view would be better from the "States Formerly Known as Canada"?

7 I for one don't believe the Almighty Creator put us on this plant just to watch us get whacked by a meteor.

But if you read Revelation it talks of a star named "Wormwood" coming down and laying waste to the place.  Sounds like a meteor to me.

8 Note that NASA scientists want to get the UN involved in protecting us from asteroids.  Sounds like another global warming type scare in the making.  It is a wonderful opportunity for the  UN to increase its purview.
 
bb
 

9 Shit!
I've been stocking up on ammo and old C-rats in my bomb shelter,buying up all the gold I can and laying in a stock of VHS and DVD's to watch on my kerosene powered FlatScreen after the Moooooslims destroy civilization with their AllahBomb and now I gotta worry about freakin space rocks and gamma rays???
Anyone wanna chip in and build a SpaceArk???
 
DAMN YOU,DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!!!!!!!!!!!

10 From what I saw on the Discovery Channel, a Yellowstone eruption would definitely be on a scale that we've never seen but not big enough to take out the US and Canada.  The researchers they quoted said a few hundred (up to 1000 maybe?) mile radius.  I just remember thinking that I was safe here in Texas.

11 FireFireFire made me giggle.

12 I can see the headline now: Asteroid hurtles toward Earth, Bush does nothing.

13 Celestial bodies are a very real danger. No other country has what it takes to counter them. Moon bases and orbital weapons platforms are a necessity.

14

I'd think a 50 megaton nuke could take out a twenty megaton rock ... . But if you wanted to save it one piece for some useful reason, you could employ a large blanket of photon-reflective material and aim some of tha new laser technology at it. It would take awhile, but I think it would still be quicker than using their 'gravity' idea. 

As far as solar/magnetic sail technology goes, some satillites are moved with versions of the same thing. So far it hasn't been used as the main propulsion system on any orbiter, but as I understand it, they have proven it works. Unless I misunderstood, this kind of technology is related to the tech behind solar panels. If that is true, why not create rolls of "solarsail" ? (remember the article on solar panel film/sheets?)  Then send up a shuttle to spread out the 'sail' and let the big rock drift sideways off course. Hit it with a big laser to speed the process. Or am I writing science fiction?

Anyway, I think we are more likely to nuke ourselves than we are to succumb to any other global danger.

USA, all the way!

15 Henny Penny!

I wonder...if we blew that shit up it would probably peg us in the ass with millions of radioactive asteroids, no?

Michael...I heard something about a "moderate" muslim recently:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariq_Ramadan

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A1344-2004Sep6.html

Ever heard of 'em?

16 Mike:


Large yield nukes break huge celestial bodies into multiple celestial bodies--that have the same overall trajectory. You've been watching too many movies. Blowing the big one into several chunks only exacerbates the problem.

17 Holy shit. Miracles do happen...did Jeff and I just agree on something? I think I believe in God now.

18 Osamabinpunked:


Even a moronic troll like you has to believe the truth once in a while.

19 Jeffbinlibbin:

"Even a moronic troll like you has to believe the truth once in a while."

Stop talking about yourself. It's boring and obvious.

20

Well I was thinking that if you did the math 1 ton of tnt is going to pretty much turn a one ton rock into sand. So 50 MT of nuke should blast a 20 mt rock into sand just as handily.What isn't blasted to sand might well be vaporized in the half a million degrees of heat.  Sand burns up on re-entry, and is unlikely to be an extinction event. Any chunk with appreciable mass would only be a minimal hazard as oppossed to a global threat, and even if there were more than one, they would be dispersed by the blast into a larger area. Even if the overall tradjectory isn't changed (not even a little ...?) the density of the remainder would be thinned out, and probably provide nothing more than an entertaining periodic night show.

Now until someone actually tries this, we won't be sure. So far we have movies with unrealistic effects, and ground based nuclear tests with unbelievable effects. I'm not sure how many tons of matter were vaporized by the "Tzar" bomb, but if I could locate the crater demensions, I could calculate it well enough to get an idea. Maybe I'll try that.

What about the solar sail? You just skipped right on by that part didn't you? What? Solar sails to boring?

USA, all the way!

21 MODERATE MUSLIM ??? I'll follow that, and let ya know what I think
 
Thanks.
 
 
USA, al the way!

22 Stoopid "L" Key sticking again ... USA ALLLLLL the way!

23 Michael: I haven't read everything on him yet, but you might owe me that friggin' unicorn if I found you one!

24 I already posted a unicorn. Did you want another?  USA, all the way!

25 Mike:


I've read a lot of theoretical scenarios for deflecting large celestial bodies, and few of them are encouraging when using available technology.


Explosives do not work the same way in a vacuum that they do in an atmosphere--not even nuclear ones. A vacuum cannot be compressed into waves. Most celestial bodies are moving at speeds far in excess of any missile or rocket. They are moving so fast that they're clocked at miles per second, instead of miles per hour. Not even the most powerful nukes can negate their velocity.


The prevailing theory is that they need to be deflected. At present, this cant be done from earth based launch sites. Orbital platforms and sites on other planets or asteroids are necessary. The dangerous bodies need to be struck from the proper angle, and their speed prohibits a reliable strike from planetside.


You're wrong about this one.

26 Ok Jeff ... I can accept that.  I still think the magnetic, or solar sail idea could work. It IS used on a smaller scale with satilites now, so why not develop the tech for adjusting asteroids?     USA all the way!

27 The real threat from gamma ray bursts is there potential effect on the attmosphere. While all known current causes of gamma ray (with the exception of twin neutron stars) do not exist within a close enough range to actually vaporize the Earth, there may very well be unknown ones lurking within a just a 20 or 30 light years away that would ionize our attmosphere and almost certaintly kill off mankind.
it would basically do it by obliterating the ozone layer leaving us totaly unprotected against cosmic rays (extreamly deadly forms of raidiation). The only concievable defense against this would be to build a very powerful magnetic net around the earth and some sort gas manufacturing system to replace any damage. Actually this may not be as crazy as it sounds. If even a partial technological singularity occurs sometime in the next thousand years it may very well lead to a way to easily construct such structures. I doubt we will be hit within that kind of time limit.
 
Astroids present a more subtle problem. really big astroids could be spoted with a fair degree of acuracy and preperation if we just invested a tad more into watching space. Decades of preperation would likely be enough to thwart that. But... What about smaller astroids? In the past seventy years at least three astroids big enough to obliterate New York have hit the Earth in (what used to be) remote areas. A rock hitting us like this is far more likely to come without warnig and could potentialy start a nucular war or confuse a counties missle tracking systems to the point of large scale panic. Those are the things I am worried about in the current time frame. 

1 "Henny penny! The sky is falling!"

-D. Rumsfeld

2 By which you mean to say ... what exactly?            USA, all the way!

3 BTW, I'm still massively busy this week, so I'm only skimming the surface.                            USA, all the way!

4

Doesn't matter, we could be well into the next ice age with massive glaciers set to devour our homes and Al Gore and his followers would deny it. 

5

Freezing down here on the Gulf. Thank God George Bush saved us from Global Warming..

 

 

Michael never heard of Henny Penny? Hmmm

6 "Reality has to set in sooner or later."

Huh? These are the leftards, dude. Never happen!

7 <Al Gore> Pay no attention to those growing glaciers its not as cold as you think it is, in fact you just dont understand how hot it really is...</Al Gore>
 
 
 
 
 

http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=16834

8 I was basically trying to determine if Osamabinwarming, had become a global warming sceptic.           USA, all the way!

9 Michael, I'm a skeptic of anyone who thinks they have anything figured out...haha.

10 And that is why osamabinhidinghisheadinhisass.

11 And that is why Gayrooster thinks he's got everything figured out. Rooster, weren't you the grandfather character in "Monster's Ball"? I'd say you are a great actor if you were actually acting.

12 Osamabinlicking:


Weren't you the faceless geek in "Revenge of the Nerds?" You know, the one who didn't get acting credits because eating shit was his natural pastime.


Munch, munch. How's that crap taste, bitch-boy?

13 Buttholz, you're not even funny. That was the lamest insult yet. Maybe you should become a screenwriter for that new Faux channel wannabe Daily Show. Munch, munch. How does that Nebraska corn taste, dipshit?

14 It tastes better than the canned crap you get, numb-nuts.


The Fox "Half Hour News Hour" is funny. "The Daily Show" isn't. "Bush sucks! Mess-o-potamia!" That's not humor, it's pandering.

15 Buttholz,

""Bush sucks! Mess-o-potamia!" That's not humor, it's pandering."

Unfortunately, it's the truth. I highly doubt the Faux snoozer will last very long with yourself as the only fan. Besides, we know you hate John Stewart because he's always picking on your stupid fucking heros, Chimpy and Darth Cheney.

1 "global warming" hearings postponed...by snow and ice.

LOL.

But didn't you know, you can't cite cold weather.  Only warm days count in this debate. Thems are the rules.

2 getting sick -n- tired of shoveling all of the warming off my driveway

3 Weather warmed to the 60's today. I now believe in global warming. We are doomed. The muslims in the middle east are sending their weather over here. If Bush hadn't of started this damn war.

4 LOL grey.

5 huh what? initial global warming media blitz? it's stopped? i still hear about it...

6 Fake:


The "initial blitz has passed," dillrod. The blitz rolled over the unsuspecting populace, but now counter attacks of truth are being mounted.


Look up the word "blitz" in the dictionary. While you're at it, look up "putz."

7 Fuck me. Don't you losers ever get tired of being wrong about things?

8 John, it's the wingnut way. If anyone disagrees with you, ya just call 'em a leftard-commie-moonbat-homo-lunatic. You know the drill!

9

John, you are seriously in denial if you think we are wrong to continue debating an issue as UNDECIDED as global warming is. Every 3rd grader should know the earth has had climate changes, like the last ice age, many many times in it's billions of years of existence. Nobody is saying this sort of thing NEVER happens.

What we are saying is that the science for explaining all of these changes, let alone the (unproven) recent changes is not sufficient to make us run into a cave with 'foxy loxy' and get eaten by socialists mm'k? You want to do something stupid, do it on your own nickel.

The 'global warming' that caused the last ice age to end wasn't caused because of Alley Oops's usage of fossil fuels, and it is possible that we are actually peaking for the inter glacial period, and will go back to another ice age over the next few thousand years. It would be kind of dumb to start trying to slow warming, if we (A) don't know the warming is real, (B) don't know how much we affect it, if at all, and (C) the planet is going will be trending back towards an ice age in the near future.

Only an idiot tries to put out a fire that isn't burning. Capisce?

I have this wonderful idea ... lets get all the information based on COMPLETE research, and then we make a SMART decision OK? Stop worshipping Al Gore (friends with USSR spys) and Bill Clinton (Gets campaign funds from Red China). Stop being a tool for anti-American socialism.

Even if there is, maybe a genuine global warming threat, you can't fund the science to defeat it if you gut the economy that would provide that funding in the first place, so lets get real. The only ones who are wrong about the issue of climate change are the alarmists, because they don't think (wanna ban H2O anyone?) and recommend actions dangerous to our national interests in utter ignorance of the existing debate.

So John, I respect your right to free speech, but I'd still like to express my desire for you to STFU if all you can do is say 'Your wrong'! It's not like I haven't backed up my arguements with links, and I'm hardly the only one who has. This post has links you are choosing to dismiss on what appear to be the grounds of your pre-existing dogma. I rarely use the term "libtard" ... which is a fact I bring up to make a point. Your wearing the shirt that says "Everyone else had something intelligent to say, and all I got was this lousy T-shirt"!  ... Maybe it's time to put on your thinking cap?

USA, all the way!

10 osamabinthere, I'm surprised you can make such a generalization, since we are in fact debating this subject, and not simply accepting a dogma.                       USA, all the way!

11 Mind you, I do inttend to ignore those who agree with me, and attack those who I think are being leftitist nimrods           
                                       USA, all the way!

12 Dyslexia, and high speed typing don't mix ....                 USA, all the way!

13 It's been worse since I had the 104 degree fever and the hallucinations that came with it a few years ago, but I'm gradually winning.                        USA, all the way!

14 No I haven't checked those new links. It's my wife's birthday this week, and its also Valentines day, so I'm distracted.  I saved them, and I will see them soon, and I'll get back to you.        USA, all the way!

15 Osamadroppedsomelinks I can't find them. I thought I had copied and pasted those links you mentioned earleir, but now I can't find them. Can you please re-post them here?  Thanks.            
                          USA, all the way!

16 "Nearly 200 years data has shown that nothing abnormal has occurred in any of these glaciers."
 
Except for those yeti orgies. Trust me, nothing merits the word abnormal more than a yeti orgy.

17 You don't know much 'bout yetis there, do ya, Chuck?........

18 Dag nabbit Where TF is my global effing warming.  I'm freezing my ass off and my stepdad had some lady loose it and slide right in front of his F-150.  Tore shit all up.  I like a checvy but it's been a good truck 325,000 looks good and runs like a top.   So I guess they will total it.  He deserves a new one anyway.  He ca do body work so who knows a Quarter panel here, a bumper there, might keep it too.

19 Back in the 30s' again. I no longer believe in global warming. Bush has saved us again. Yea Bush!

20 Michael: When I said, "John, it's the wingnut way. If anyone disagrees with you, ya just call 'em a leftard-commie-moonbat-homo-lunatic. You know the drill!" I certainly wasn't referring to you. I was actually referring to people like Jeff! Links...yes, I will dig 'em up again. I owe you on that one!

Howie, what's cookin'? Long time no chat.

Chuck...Yeti orgies? Maybe those were the ancestors of Ron Jeremy?

21 Osama: things are pretty good.  Quite busy.  Good to see you here.  I've been watching you comment.  Welcome back to MPJ. Been quite a while. I take it you are well and still doing the good work you do.  Jeff might figure out hat name calling wont work with you maybe....  enjoy the discussions and if you have any problems drop me a line. 

22 It funny how lefturds always seem to bring up this idiotic subject during the coldest time of the year.

23 Jeff's rantings are hilarious.  And even though they are sometimes too heavy-handed (because not all leftards deserve that kind of dressing down), they always are almost always filled with substantive content as well.  On the other hand, some leftards do deserve it, and that's why we like Jeff Bargholz.

24 Global warming has wreaked havoc in my area. Yesterday we got 8 inches of snow, which was then followed up by freezing rain.

During the night, global warming came back and froze everything in a nice, crystal package.

And it's all George W. Bush's fault.

25 Howie:


I've driven osamisdead screaming from dozens of posts on God knows how nay sites under God knows how many aliases. Name calling works, especially when it's backed up with facts.


It cracks me up how nimrods like you giggle and smirk when commedians insult idiots, but if someone you disagree with does it, he's out of line.


You're a dumbass.

26 Gee thanks,  Whatever.

Your last comment before this one was good. But Osama is just as welcome here as anyone, in my opinion. Debate all you want, but I'm getting tired of people running off all the commenter just because they think they can or should.  People come here to read the arguments and if you run him off I'll ban you just as easy as you ran him off. The only comments during your discussion I considered dumping were yours (and I was watching). And it's a shame too because many of your comments are good. 

27 Osamaisirrelevant:


You aren't interested in debate on any subject. You're just a moronic troll who pops in to spew predictable leftist talking points ad nauseum. Nothing you paste is worth consideration. You are a fanatic and a moron. You cannot be reasoned with, only exposed and ridiculed.


The global warming alarmists haven't been able to prove that the climate has risen by one full degree in the last hundred years. Sorry if facts insult you.

28 Ok, I reviewed the comments Jeff.  Yours were not as ornery as I remembered them. 

29 Osama is a leftard, commie, moonbat. homo, lunitic.

30 So, and you are a.....racist, genocidal,  crusty old lunatic. I'm a raving brilliant good looking hot lunatic Jeff is a at times foul mouthed lunatic. big deal

31 Howie:


I don't literally think you're a dumbass, but you make the mistake of thinking Osamahasnbinlade brings something new to the mix. He doesn't. He's just a disruptive troll who repeats the official leftist position on every subject. He's a carbon copy of idiots like Fake and Johke. Their comments are interchangeable. You don't even have to read them to know where they're going to go on any subject.


To be honest, the only reason I visit blogs is to vent on destructive tards like them. I don't try to drive them off, just dissect their idiotic ideology and cover stories. I only try to get rid of them when they continue with their mindless tautology after their empty arguments have been kicked apart over and over by all involved.


Some lefties bring fresh ideas to a discussion, and some people are misinformed, but these geeks are just out to disrupt things. They offer phony bios under multiple aliases that are supposed make them look like skeptical Libertarians or moderates (I approve of the removal of Saddam, just not the handling of the "war," I believe in gun ownership, etc.,) then proceed to take the extreme left position on those subjects and every other one (with comments about President Chimpy plunging America into an unnecessary war, guns causing high crime rates, etc.)


They're utter frauds.


The historical Nimrods were actually great hunters of beasts and men, so calling you Nimrod could be construed as a compliment in retrospect.

32 Howie protects Osama because birds of a feather flock together. And thanks for the racist thing. I CARRY THAT BADGE WITH HONOR. You wouldn't understand. Now go do your nails. You ain'[t doing shit.

33 Nah I've argued with Osama many times. So I missed him.  I get attatched to all you idiots, both sides.

34 Jeff Bargholz,

there's a big difference between trolls like osama vs the likes of snivel behaviour.  Osama will occassionally drop the smartass persona and engage you on the merits.  That's never true of snivel who just poops his turds all over the thread without even trying to respond to you.  Plus, osama isn't rude, just a smartass.  I know there's a fine line, but also a big difference.

35 Howie is to a dumbass. And don't forget it.

36 Don't worry Jeff, good insult, I'm kida used to it around here.

37 Hot damn...pigs must be flying and hell must have froze over. I never thought I'd see the day Carlos stuck up for me! Thanks. Howie...thanks too. Jeff, I don't use multiple names to hide anything. They always start with Osama...probably because I feel like everyone gets so caught up in everything that they forget who is still at large. As far as running me from posts? No so. I believe I've actually made many laugh by mercilessly ripping your comments apart. Either way, I checked in here this morning and then just now. Geez, lots of comments. Almost none about the weather and most about me? Haha. I do agree with Carlos 100%. I am a fuckin' smart-ass. But I will carry on a serious conversation if I'm not jumped all over for having a different point of view. Otherwise, JAWA would be boring with everyone just patting each other on the back and agreeing about everything, right? It's the same reason I don't hang at "leftard" sites because I'd rather have a challenge. Plus, I like telling Gayrooster how much he craves everything he hates. Back to work...check you all later.

38 ka chigga ka chigga.

39

Kathmandu gets first snowfall in 63 years

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070214/india_nm/india287711

If your interested ...

USA, all the way!

40 I have a feeling global "warming" was a term not chosen wisely. Maybe global "weather is going to get more fucked up" would have suited better?

41

I'm going to stick up for Jeff. The name calling is occassionally over the top, but his arguements are generally strong ones.

I'm going to stick up for Greyrooster. The left loves rascism it can manipulate, like the "Black Caucus" or Affirmative action. If you support those, but condemn rooster, your a hypocrite.

OsamabinOK is ... OK. If you can get a conversation started there is more to him than simply being a Sorosite borg-drone Marxist.

Civilbehavior is doggydoo! Just step around it if you can.

Jake is like a little kid. I almost feel bad admonishing him, but I can't help but think he could be saved some how. He needs more than superficial knowledge. Over time, he may acquire it by engaging himself here. He isn't a waste of time ...

Howie, like so many others, is a great contributor to this site, and he shows a clear awareness of the purpose of debate. To gradually work the truth out of a topic, so that it becomes clear to everyone.

Ok, I'm ready! Let me have it

USA, all the way!

42 Osamaweatherman ... Yup, probably a poor choice of words, since I do dispute the claim of the science being settled in any direction.  USA, all the way!

43

To Osamabinargueing, and anyone else looking for me this week, I'm spending a lot of extra time with my sweety, so I'm skipping through the Jawa Report faster than usual.  I'll try not to miss anything.                         USA, all the way!

44 why don't you just call him osama? or hiding... seems like a hassle to have to make up something new every time...

45 Jake...I actually find it pretty fun to see how many mutations of the name can be created.

Michael: I'd actually love to debate Jeff, but only if he's capable of respecting his opponent. Gayrooster I can't vouch for. As far as Black Caucus and affirmative action? I think they both suck. One is hypocritical and the other just removes qualifications for a job on top of taking jobs away from those who are qualified.

46 As far as Black Caucus and affirmative action? I think they both suck.

osama's no leftard, he's just loyal to the "Liberal" label.  Most libturds aren't nearly as liberal as they think they are if you quiz them on the subjects without attaching any labels to them.  Yet they are loyal to the label "Liberal", and they are oblivious to the anti-American, anti-Western stalinism lite that has infected their camp.  sigh...And they just can't shake the phantasmagorical image they have of conservatism.

47

Jesusland, Yeah, a lot of my 'liberal' friends fit your description of Osamabinleaninleft. It's strange.          USA, all the way!

48 At this point I would love to see a compilation video of all these morons making lame jokes about "global warming deniers" showing all their self-righteous smugness about it. 
 
I love when the truth leaks out and destroys all their illusions...

49 Ah, Carlos... I actually don't see myself as liberal. I'd say I'm a mix of right and left. I'd say I have about as much contempt for extreme right and left. I'm also critical of democRATs and repugs. But! it's always human nature to try and want to put something or someone in a box. It's easy to label someone you disagree with, since it makes it easier to identify and criticize. We are all guilty of it!

50 Osama is a commie, leftard, lunny, homo who doesn't wash his hands after taking a dump.

51 Carlos:


Osamahasnbinlade has you snowed. All the things you you give her credit for are disingenuous ploys. She only pretends to be rational once in a blue moon to establish faux credentials as a reasonable person.


She is anything but.

52 Osamaisincapableofterrorism:


"I believe I've actually made many laugh by mercilessly ripping your comments apart."


Keep telling yourself that, short-bus. A lie told often enough becomes truth--in tard-boy land.

53 Global warming hit Nebraska hard today. The temoperature rose from -10 degrees to 7 degrees in only 5 hours!


I better buy a boat.

54 Did I write 5 hours? I meant 15.

55 Jeff Tardholz... Only a true shortbus riding ninny like yourself would have trouble counting past 5. I'm proud of your finally getting to 15. Did you use your toes after you ran out of fingers? Also: You're in Nebraska? That explains a lot.

Gayrooster: "Osama is a commie, leftard, lunny, homo who doesn't wash his hands after taking a dump."

Yeah, I'm such a "lunny". At least I'm not an alcoholic, racist, sheep fucking hillbilly like yourself.

56 Osamahasnoballs:


Bigotry against Nebraska from a wimpy suburban mutant? Who woulda thunk it?


For someone who's probably never been out of her crappy home state, you sure have a lot of asinine opinions about real Americans.


Nebraskans tend to be big, corn-fed football stars and war heroes.


What kind of zeroes does your gay state field?

57 Osamabeeninthere: I don't fuck sheep and I grew up in San Francisco. I'm a Nob hillbilly from the Marina District. The sheep fucking I leave up to the muslims and their supporters. Their supporters normally call themselves. OSAMA. When you say Osamabeeninthere. Are you referring to a sheep's ass?

58 Bargholz .... what's this "disdain-of-the-suburban" fixation you've got going on? Is it part of your ongoing attempts to distance yourself from the petit bourgesois, chardonnay-set of which you so obviously would love to be a part?

59 Creep:


I'm just tired of dickless little feebs like you calumnizing real Americans as inbred rednecks.


I've actually lived the life you so obviously envy. I grew up in sunny SoCal, lived in wine country, the Bay Area, Seattle, exotic foreign countries, and have actually been in real fistfights.


You're a pussy, plain and simple.

60 Here we go again...

"Bigotry against Nebraska from a wimpy suburban mutant? Who woulda thunk it?"

Oh yeah, I forgot. You know where I grew up and where I live. Not!

"For someone who's probably never been out of her crappy home state, you sure have a lot of asinine opinions about real Americans."

Is that remark intended for yourself? Btw, I've also been to ever fucking state in the USA except Hawaii. So go hump a corn husk, bitch.

"Nebraskans tend to be big, corn-fed football stars and war heroes. "

Yup. They also tend to be dumb fucks who post a bunch of hot air on JAWA.

"What kind of zeroes does your gay state field?"

Gay state? Hmmm. So are you saying I live in CA or MA? Hmmm. Aren't YOU from Cali, faggot? Do you hate yourself, gaylord? Speaking of faggots, I already knew Gayrooster was from FriskyFrisco. From the crappiest, most white bred part of town to boot. White trash district! I don't know how you two get time to post between all those reach-rounds. Both of you should just give up...at everything. You're a waste of space. Real human beings could use the crap that you two over-consume.

61 rkzw ufsdmbg htjpyang vumaf sxlqaw pqzx oacfwqy

1 Go ahead and believe what you want. You guys look so retarded right now that nobody in their right mind would ever listen to you.

2 All we know for sure, is that nobody knows for sure, and that sure is no way to make good policy!              USA, all the way!

3 Johke:

Go ahead and believe what you want. You look so retarded right now that nobody in their right mind would ever listen to you.


Is there a reason you didn't read the Newsweek story and address it? Were the doomsayers wrong then or are they wrong now? Is the Earth cooling or warming? Where's the proof of either claim?


One thing is for sure. The reason given for the alleged anthropogenic warming trend is patently false. It is ridiculously blamed on carbon dioxide.


Carbon dioxide does not cause air to get warmer. Co2 only makes up slightly more than 1% of so called greenhouse gasses--far too little to make a difference one way or the other in the global atmospheric content, much less cause the atmosphere to heat up.


Humanity produced far greater Co2 emmisions in the past than those produced now, yet the past was colder, according to the dommsayers. Industries used to pump it into the air without any restrictions whatsoever.


So called greenhouse conditions are caused by high humidity levels. Humidity is caused by water vapor in the atmosphere--which incidentally makes up 97% of so called greenhous gasses.


Global climate changes are caused by shifting ocean currents, atmospheric water vapor, shifting tectonic plates, solar radiation, and the occasional volcanic eruption. No climatologist will dispute this.


The only point in dispute is whether mankind is causing the climate to grow warmer at a breakneck rate. Well, the doomsayers have been pushing anthropogenic warming for over a decade now, but they still cant prove that the Earth is even 1 degree warmer. This means that if the climate is growing warmer, the growth rate is so slow that it cant even be measured yet. The growth rates for warming that they've predicted year after year have all been wrong. According to their idiotic climate models, the Earth should be over 10 degrees warmer than it is. They are also unable to show how mankind is capable of changing the climate more than infinitesimally.


There are two kinds of climatologists. Honest ones, and unprincipled doomsayers whoring for grant money. The grant whores want to restrain American and Western economic power, which is why the anti-American UN is leading the mob when it comes to lying about the climate. Most of the so called "scientists" quoted by the Establishment Media are neither climatologists nor scientists--although it can be argued that anyone who has boiled water or sniffed his own fart is a scientist.


One thing is painfully clear to all but the terminally stupid: The climate is not warming at a rate that poses any danger to mankind.


I have to wonder if morons like you will still be crying that the sky is falling another10 years from now. How many years worth of a stable climate with infinitesimal change rates will it take for you to abandon your doomsday scenario?


It all depends on how stupid you are. I'm betting that once the global warming scare peters out, idiots like you will glom onto another scare story, like the naturally occurring polar ozone holes, or global oceanic pollution. Hell, you're so stupid I wouldn't be surprised if you switched back to the global cooling scenario.


Remember: None of the predictions made at any of the climate summits have been correct yet. Accepting their incorrect conclusions as environmental-case Gospel is stupidity at its most stolid.

4 Can you please think of something more grown up than making fun of someone's name? Geez, you act like a child.

5 The evidence in support of these predictions [of global cooling] has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologists are hardpressed to keep up with it."

hahahahaha!  Hysteria then no different than hysteria now.

6 WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!
 
No , really.  Every one of us.  Hopefully I'll be shot to death by a jealous husband.  When I'm 83.
 
Isn't it interesting how the "science" of global warming lines up so nicely with the political ideals of the one-world socialists?  Kind of like the way the "science" of eugenics lined up so nicely with National Socialism.  Or the "science" of social darwinism lined up with institutionalized racism. 
 
Fossil records show that the last time atmospheric CO2 was below 400 ppm was at the tail end of the carboniferous period.  That was a long time ago, John.  See, all those plants sucked up the CO2 from the atmosphere.  Then they died and became coal and petroleum, John.  Poor plants. ....
 
Now we dig em up and burn em.  And put that carbon BACK into the atmosphere, from whence it came, John.  Ya see, everything's a cycle, a "Circle of Life", just like in the Lion King. 
 
If you'd like, John, I could go on, and even substitute some of the big words, like "atmosphere", with small, monosyllabic 
easy words, like"air".  Let me know.

7 Ken poop:


Why am I not surprised that you tried to deflect discussion of the facts concerning global warming hysteria with emotional ad hominems?


Stupid leftist. None of your "rules for radicals" work on me.


If you were a man, you'd admit you support the global warming hoax because doing so is a way to retard American performance. Of course, as a leftist you're psychologically incapable of defending your vile positions honestly, and you obviously aren't a real man. You know the vast majority of Americans don't want to see their country humbled by the world's midgets, so you lie your ass off in the name of your ridiculous Marxist agenda. The ends always justify the means for power hungry reprobates like you. The 20th century is littered with the dead and suffering caused by your means. Fucking monster.


Global warming hysteria is just another case of America-last retards trying to retard what they foolishly think is American hegemony and dominance.



Why cant morons like you understand that America does not dominate the rest of the world? It simply outperforms the rest of the world. Instead of trying to retard America, why don't you try to help the world's retards perform better? Because you're blinded by envious hatred and self loathing, that's why.


Tenure sucking parasites like you would be the first to go in your dreary new world order. Your hypocrisy doesn't seem to have any limit, does it? Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and buy land in the Arctic Circle. According to you Chicken Littles, it will be prime real estate faster than you can say BusHitlerBurton. Go sell boats in Florida, dumb-fuck.

8 "rules for radicals"

LOL.  Saul Alinsky.  I still have that very book on my shelf from back in my Lib days!  It used to be required reading for any Liberal arts educated Leftard back in the 70s and 80s.

9 ROFLMAO! Lefties......two lines of insults

Jeff- a essay of facts.



The FACT the lefties can never answer is Kyoto. Even if their version
of global warming was correct Kyoto would do nothing to stop it and
possibly make it worse. In the age of globalization when you omit China
and India from the treaty that means all our remaining polluting
industries would simply go to those countries. Those nations have less
pollution controls so in the end the same number of widgets the market
demands are produced but in a more polluting manner. Kyoto is just the
biggest income redistribution plan the world has ever seen and nothing
about stopping global warming....even if they could.

10
The FACT the lefties can never answer is Kyoto.

They don't have to answer (and they don't), because it's their religion, not science.  They ignore, and instead attack the messenger ("oil companies").

11 My brother just walked in about 5 minutes ag ranting about all the "hard evidence" for global warming he was seeing on Link TV, so I pulled up the Newsweek article from 1975 and showed him all the "massive evidence" for global cooling.  It was funny watching him switch to sputtering about the "oil companies".  LOL.  Leftards make me laugh.

12 I don't know if you all follow this site:

Not By Fire, But By Ice

I can't tell you how his credentials hold up, but his predictions come in pretty close. 

More than anything, I use it as a resource for good stats, but the's been saying NY would get hit hard with snow for quite some time.

13 "Not By Fire, But By Ice" indeed.


The flora and fauna of this planet have never suffered from warmness (draughts aren't caused by heat,) but Ice-ages are a bitch.


Of course, even during the ice-ages life adapted and flourished. Only idiots worry about the climate. Local meteorolical conditions like lightning, floods, tornadoes, hurricanes, mudslides and avalanches are what kill people--and they aren't caused by global warming.


The leftards have been crying that the sky is falling for more than 30 years now, but it's still there, it's still blue, and it's still life sustaining.


Reality is immune to leftism.

14 Climate predictions from the same group that said three months ag that we are absolutely winning in Iraq.

15 The Kyoto treaty is an attempt by third world nations to limit growth of the larger countries economies. They cannot compete so they set up rules for the US which they themselves are not bound to. Mexico City has some of the most polluted air in the world. But nobody bitches about their carbon footprint.
 
Now I am going to finish polishing my gas guzzling Dodge truck and yes it does have a Hemi.

16 Do not try to talk facts and logic with a member of the Sacred Liberal Church of Climate Chage.  You might as well walk into a snake-handler ritual in Alabama and try to convince them that maybe playing with poisonous snakes isn't the best idea.  Besides, St. Al. might excommuniate you and cast you into outer darkenss, where there will be weeping and sweating like pigs for a few years, until the Sacred Church of the Chicken Little Libs decides in five-ten years that we're actually facing another ice age, at which point you will be weeping and gnashing your teeth....

17  Isn't it interesting how the "science" of global warming lines up so nicely with the political ideals of the one-world socialists?
 
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re: 70s hysteria over Nuclear Winter.   Every major publication and newspaper in the 70s decade beat this drum.  The agenda for the left was NO NUKES, we must disarm unilaterally, trust the Soviets they only want Peace like us after-all. 
 
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The Grant hungry scientific community went along with the "theory" and also added that a natural process was under way that would plunge us into a deep freeze. Just look back at old editions of Science mag or Scientific America and you'll see it yourself.

18 What do facts have to do with Global Warming?

19 John lyin:


As usua, you dodged the facts and threw out a misleading non sequitur. typical islamopithecine and leftist tactic.


Too bad it doesn't work on us, ass-munch.


Your terrorist pals--funded by your mullah monkeys in Iran--have failed to acheive any of their goals. Iraq is still standing, and the Coalition is still there. There's nothing you can do about it, because as a cyber terrorist, you're as big a failure as you are with women.


Global warming is as bogus as you are, you Iranian theocracy troll. Go fuck yourself in the ass. Muhammad did it all the time, and loved it. His epilepsy and insanity were caused by the syphilis he contracted from the goats he fucked. Or maybe it came from the pigs that fucked him, I don't know for sure. All I know is that he was a cowardly, diseased, little weakling who never fought a real man in his pathetic life.


Kind of like you, John lyin. No--exactly like you.


You know where to find me, bitch. If you survive the global warming temperatures that are below zero around here, that is. Fag-ass.

20

I hope you guys heard that there was 3.7 BILLION given to promoters of the global warming 'consensus' only counting one agency of the Canadian government. Lefties will whine all they like about oil money creating bias, but many more billions are payed out to 'consensus' supporters than any oil monies I have seen them reference.

There is a guy who was paid $2500 a day, (I think) when he used to do temp work for coal and oil companies. It would take over FOUR THOUSAND YEARS for him to earn 3.7 billion if he never took a day off.

I hope this sorts out any arguements about 'bias'. Clearly it's profitable to say the world is going to burn up. Being a hack for the 'consensus' is good money!

The next question you SHOULD be asking is, why pay so much for science that is already 'settled' and why incentivize one side of a politically charged topic, if the science speaks for itself?

Why?

USA, all the way!

21

If Halliburton poured every cent of their annual profits into countering the 'consensus' it would take them more than SIX YEARS (at their highest ever annual profit) to get to 3.7 Billion dollars. Yes, six years. If you've ever had a business you know how impractical that would be. It isn't even an option. But when it's not your money (ie, it's tax revenue from a socialist leaning democracy) you can throw into a volcano if you like.

So how about that bias?

USA, all the way!

22 I hope you guys heard that there was 3.7 BILLION given to promoters of the global warming 'consensus'

Do you have a source for that?

23

Yes, but you'll have to hang on.   And I need to correct my math on halliburton. It would be 1 1/2 to 2 years worth of profits spent, so I apologize for the error.

Still .... it is  decent comparison.

USA, all the way!

24

This is pulled from one of the above articles.

Despite such obtuseness Lindzen fights on, defending the science at what is undoubtedly a very considerable personal cost. Those who toe the party line are publicly praised and have grants ladled out to them from a funding pot that overflows with US$1.7-billion per year in the U.S. alone. As Lindzen wrote earlier this year in The Wall Street Journal, "there is a more sinister side to this feeding frenzy. Scientists who dissent from the alarmism have seen their grant funds disappear, their work derided, and themselves libeled as industry stooges, scientific hacks or worse. Consequently, lies about climate change gain credence even when they fly in the face of the science that supposedly is their basis."

USA, all the way!

25 Which one?  I needed a source for your allegation that billions in grant money was being funnelled to global warming promoters.

26 Lets say the left is right about carbon dioxide warming the planet... Why are they not suggesting the easiest route to fixing it? Pump gases that cool the Earth into the atmosphere. I know Volcano's produce a sulphate that actually reflect sunlight from the Earth and this process has caused cooling many times before. Im sure there is a way we can produce the same gas to counteract the warming effects of CO2.
Course I am probably thinking out my ass....

27

About the $2500 a day "shill" ...

Professor of Meteorology, Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
Member, Annapolis Center Science and Economic Advisory Council. Member, National Academy of Sciences.

Dr. Lindzen was a member of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, but takes issue with the general conclusions drawn from the IPCC's report. His prolific writings assert that climate change science is inconclusive, and has testified multiple times before Congress.

Ross Gelbspan reported in 1995 that Lindzen "charges oil and coal interests $2,500 a day for his consulting services; his 1991 trip to testify before a Senate committee was paid for by Western Fuels, and a speech he wrote, entitled 'Global Warming: the Origin and Nature of Alleged Scientific Consensus,' was underwritten by OPEC." ("The Heat is On: The warming of the world's climate sparks a blaze of denial," Harper's magazine, December 1995.) Lindzen signed the 1995 Leipzig Declaration.

USA, all the way

28 Jesusland ! ! !  I'm looking for it! I'm a very disorganized person.  Just hang on, and I'll try to make this easier. OK 
 
 
 
 
USA, all the way!

29

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/lamb020507.htm

"I have never witnessed a more disturbing corruption of the peer-review process than the events that led to this IPCC report. Nearly all the changes worked to remove hints of the skepticism with which many scientists regard global warming claims."

A hundred distinguished scientists, meeting in Leipzig, Germany, released a joint statement on July 10, 1966 which said:

"There is still no scientific consensus on the subject of climate change. On the contrary, most scientists now accept the fact that actual observations from earth satellites show no climate warming whatsoever."

From that point forward, any scientist who dared to offer research results that did not affirm the conclusions of the IPCC, has been denied invitations to participate in the IPCC studies, denied funding, and/or denigrated publicly by politically motivated scientists and/or the media. Any scientist who dares express skepticism is at once denounced as a pawn for the oil and coal industry.

The opposite is true: advocates of global warming are pawns of the global warming industry. And, indeed, global warming is an industry. In 1996, at the same U.N. meeting at which the Second Assessment Report was released, Mohamed T. El-Ashry, Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of the Global Environment Facility (GEF), released its quarterly report. He told the delegates that his agency had leveraged $462.3 million into $3.2 billion in climate change projects. And that was just the beginning.

In the last decade, billions and billions of dollars have been spent by governments and foundations on research and mitigation programs related to global warming. To the endless bureaucracies, recipients of grant awards, and non-government organizations, it is imperative that the global warming hysteria continue - to produce the funding that provides their livelihood. Their incessant hype has convinced many people, including legislators, that ridiculous policies should be enacted to prevent carbon dioxide from reaching the atmosphere.

More to follow

USA, all the way!

30

Didn't this article already end up her on a previous thread?!

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http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/global-warming020507.htm
http://www.klamathbucketbrigade.org/CanadiaFreePress_GlobalWarming020707.htm

"Believe it or not, Global Warming is not due to human contribution of Carbon Dioxide (CO2). This in fact is the greatest deception in the history of science. We are wasting time, energy and trillions of dollars while creating unnecessary fear and consternation over an issue with no scientific justification. For example, Environment Canada brags about spending $3.7 billion in the last five years dealing with climate change almost all on propaganda trying to defend an indefensible scientific position while at the same time closing weather stations and failing to meet legislated pollution targets."

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/deweese121406.htm

It’s absolutely incredible to see such panic, considering the global warming mantra is near universal. There are over 12,000 environmental groups in the country controlling over $20 billion in assets, all unified in spreading the climate change gospel. On top of their vast holdings, many of those same groups receive federal grants for “studies” and “reports” on their climate change findings. More grants, in the billions of dollars, are going to scientists willing to join the church and help substantiate the mantra in their “research.”

Added to that substantial fire power is a willing news media which offers magazine cover photos of melting ice caps; and the efforts of the movie and television industry which lets no opportunity get by without some reference to global warming. Al Gore’s own documentary has been in theaters around the nation for months. He is the guest on talk shows nearly every week.

*****

I hope these are closer to what your looking for, and I'll be back as soon as I get more on the Canadian government Agency itself.

USA, all the way!

31

Interesting priorities ...
http://www.montrealmirror.com/ARCHIVES/1998/061198/news5.html

"The CIBE report also states that, out of Environment Canada's total budget, only $16.9 million is spent on compliance and enforcement. "They only conducted five prosecutions last year," Gallon notes. "I suspect they're spending even less than that." He says Environment Canada spends more and more money on information campaigns rather than real enforcement."

USA, all the way!

32 Michael Weaver:


Good job with the research.



Now do you believe me? Global warming is a scam.

33

More ....

http://plato.acadiau.ca/courses/pols/grieve/3883/5climate/CORC_scare.html

ENVIRONMENT Canada spends a good part of its $600-million annual budget cranking out the message that nature is good, man is bad, and global warming is a live threat to life on the planet. The department's Web site is totally dedicated to planting fear of global warming and the looming climate crisis. Elsewhere, the media has been mostly supportive on the climate change issue, their reports filled with the doings of environmental activists, corporate greens and politicians expressing alarm over how fossil fuels are ruining the environment. Global agreements have been signed committing Canada to reductions in fossil fuel consumption of more than 20 per cent over the next dozen years.

Through it all, there must be the equivalent of $1-billion worth of high-power publicity going into the climate change scare every couple of years

USA, all the way!

34

Enviroment Canada budget discussions.

http://cmte.parl.gc.ca/cmte/committeepublication.aspx?sourceid=182677

"Mr. Luc Harvey:
    There was talk of a $6.4 billion-total amount paid to the environmental foundations and trusts. Did that turn out to be the correct amount?

 

Ms. Basia Ruta:
    An amount of $6.4 billion?

 

Mr. Hani Mokhtar:
    Not to my knowledge. The amounts we are citing here represent our share, and for most of them, there was another share paid by Natural Resources Canada.

    Hence the figure could be doubled, but I'm not sure that it was $6 billion?"

USA, all the way, and thanks Jeff!

35 Jeff. The 'consensus' is a scam, but we do know there is such a thing as climate change that naturally osccurs whether we are here or not. It may turn cooler on us soon, and we don't know, so these alarmists need to be checked
 
 
 
 
 
USA, al the way!

36

Ok, so Haliburton makes a maximum of about 20% in annual profits of what Wal-Mart makes. Where is this Bush's fault? Wal-Mart is more involved internationally, and makes more money than Halliburton, but somehow only the oil company is truely evil in the eyes of the BDS sufferers. Oh sure, Wal-Mart gets some flack, but nowhere near what they would if they only provided access to a vital economic, and strategic reasource like oil

Those hand made Chinese baskets are so much more important to our national security. Don't you know?

Hey!? Didn't Lament have stock in Wal-Mart? Oh well...

USA, all the way!

37 Well, I have to go now, so don't think I'm ignoring you.  USA, all the way!

38 Parting shot !  "Any scientist who dares express skepticism is at once denounced as a pawn for the oil and coal industry."  but we know it's OK for Al Gore to be with Occidental Oil...              
              
     USA, all the way!

39 And my parting shot, if Kyoto doesn't bind India and China it will cause more pollution, not less.  mkay?  End of story.

40 GLOBAL WARMING IS BECOMING MORE CONTROVERSIAL, NOT LESS

BEYOND THE APOCALYPTIC VISIONS
Look, look, up at the sky! Do you see that? And that? The sky, the sky, it’s on fire! It’s burning, and can you see how it’s spreading?  Look over there – those -- over there, they look like clouds, but if you look closely, they’re not, they’re on fire!  More and more of the sky is changing into fire!  Everyone is looking up, and they see the same thing!  It’s on fire, it’s burning, and it’s going to kill us all!  I can feel the heat, it’s getting hotter and hotter, and we’re all going to die...Ohh, my God, we’re all going to die!

The key problem for global warming theories is that the sea level has not risen much in the last 150 years.  A small rise may have occurred, but this may be attributable to the “tail end” of the last ice age.  If sea level rises much more, we may be able to ascertain what, exactly, is going on.  If sea level declines, then theories of human-caused global warming will probably be relegated to the dust-bin of history.

If a long trend of global warming is occurring, there are two ways it could be related to humans.  First, humans might be causing the warming.  Second, global warming might be causing the humans.  That is, most land mass is in the Northern hemisphere, where warming would increase and improve arable land, growing seasons, crop yields, and available water supplies.  We know that global warming was beneficial to humans when the last ice age began retreating, but we do not know if these benefits have stopped.  World population is increasing, but GDP per capita is also increasing rapidly, which probably causes more energy use per person.  In this way, global warming could CAUSE the CO2 in the atmosphere to rise, instead of CO2 causing global warming.  CO2 is not the most important greenhouse gas– --water vapour is.  CO2 levels may or may not be causing global warming, and global warming may have stopped in 1998.

The entire warming debate is based upon conjecture until any sea level changes can be clearly attributed to human activity. Science has not yet clarified this key issue.

41 Dear #1:

What retarded is, John, is believing that a weatherman who can't get a five day forecast right 50% of the time knows what the climate is going to look like in 50 YEARS. That is retarded.

Leonard Nimoy (Mr. Spock - The most logical being EVAR!) said in the 1970's on "In Search Of..." that we are headed into another ice age. Who the f#@* are you going to believe? Mr. Spock or Mr. Groundhog Day?

I rest my case... Because I drank a case today.

42 I support global warming. It's been below zero every day for two weeks now. But it was much colder here, and with more snow, twenty years ago.
I don't much care why global warming exists, I just want more of it.
There appears to be more evidence of global warming than of christian miracles and,  because I believe in miracles, I choose to believe in global warming.
 

43 I see you guys are still trying to convince the Pope not to be a Catholic.  You're wasting your breath.  Facts and logic are irrelevant to these climate Marxists, and the ends always justify the means. 

44 Ice ages are broken into "glacial periods" and "interglacial periods".

The glacial periods last about 100,000 years and the interglacials last 10,000 to 15,000 years, PYE (pick your expert) because glaciers tend to destroy evidence.

We are probably in an interglacial period, and it began 10K to 15Kyrs ago, again PYE.

The 1975 article is probably closer to correct, by accident. We will probably enter a glacial period some time in the next few thousand years, if we cannot find a way to warm the planet. The glaciers will take hundreds of years to develop, so the main problems will be low temperatures, crop losses, and lack of fuel.

Check the map at the bottom of this page for the vegetation distribution during the last glacial maximum, and remember that the white part is simply the glaciers big enough to leave enough evidence to survive this long. We don't see areas with wide ranging temperature extremes, or the snow and ice fields that do not move, so do not scratch the rocks.

://www.handprint.com/LS/ANC/disp.html

45 Phillep : Good site. I wish we used such material more often in these discussions. The alternative to global warming is this - and if we are reactionary climate alarmists, will we bring the ice back sooner? Suppose the 'cooling' science is accurate enough to have an impact! Is that a good thing if it hastens a return to full blown ice age? Probably not if people use the warm land to live on, and grow food.                 USA, all the way!

46 Mike:


When I wrote that global warming is a scam, I was refering to the doomsday scenario--which is essentially what the global warming religion is. Climate change is not anthropogenic, and the Earth is not going to bake like a potato at the end times.

47 it will anyway, once the sun blows up...

48 Jeff, Yes I'm sorry about lecturing, It gets a bit reflexive.   USA, all the way!

49 I could use some warming. In all seriousness the north wind is howling under the door, and I'm pretty chilly. Plus, I have to go unbury some firewood tommorrow. I,m thinking about putting Co2 into the air big time the next few days. As in huge roaring fire! Valentines day, and My wife's birthday are both this week, so you may not hear much from me for a few days. I need to play tag with Osamabinwarming, some more, and I hope he see's this thread.   
                                   USA, all the way!

50 Pardon me if my memory is a little rusty here, but does anyone else remember that passage in 1984 where Hate Week celebrations were in full swing, and the people were venting their rage at Eastasia, when suddenly the Kommisar who was haranguing the crowd was handed a note and forthwith announced that the enemy was, and had always been, Eurasia, and the crowd went wild with hate for the new enemy? Well, it seems to me this who global warming/cooling thing is like that; the sheeple are herded from panic to panic, with each increasingly more frightening, when really it's nothing more than people hiding in the bushes, shouting words of fear. Of course, most sheeple are far too stupid to realise this.

51 I believe your correct.           USA, all the way!

52 THE SKY IS FALLING !!!
THE SKY IS FALLING !!!

53 "the sheeple are herded from panic to panic, with each
increasingly more frightening, when really it's nothing more than
people hiding in the bushes, shouting words of fear. Of course, most
sheeple are far too stupid to realise this."

that is the weirdest quote for someone who supports the iraq war to give....

54 Jakeass:


The sheeple say George Bush is more of a threat than the terrorists, and that the spanking of saddam has made America less safe. Their idiotic opinions have been overridden by the sane majority--much to the chagrin of islamopithecines like you.

55 Jeff, you make me laugh.

56 He's funny.  You, on the other hand, are merely stupid.

57 He's funny.  You, on the other hand, are merely stupid.

that wasn't very witty...

58 Jake/Jorge:


Neither is using two aliases to make your point, you islamopithecine moron.

59 i think i mentioned the mistake in another thread...

60 which, come to think of it is the only reason you would assume that jorge would be jake, so you're fully aware of the issue and yet you refuse to take it as it is...

61 Fake/Jorge/DJM/Ilya Krackovitch:


Yeah, you really fooled me.


Imbecile.

62 woah what?

63 Whoah, how many aliases can you use on one thread, you butt guzzling felch-faggot?

1 Don't confuse me with the truth. I'm  going to kill embryos and there's nothing you can do to stop me.
 
Yours truly,
Nancy Pelosi
Cleaner of the House.

2 This will be shrilly opposed and smeared by the left, because ideology is more important than health or anything else to those doctrinaire vermin.

3 "because ideology is more important than health or anything else to those doctrinaire vermin."

Hahahahahahahaha!

Jeff, you say the darnedest things. So the blog Jeff. When are we starting? Think about it... you can say whatever crazybullshit you want!

4

John, I am gong to back Jeff on the basic idea that if it hits the correct note, the left will hardly consider the wider consquences of any given action. Like a Pavlovian poodle, if the bell rings, it must be a good thing for lefties to swallow.

Before you write this off, I agree that this also happens to people on the right. good ideas that fall somewhere in the middle get shunned, or fought over like a prize to be claimed.

Stem cell research is one of those areas that is polarized to the point that it seems the left just wants to kill babies, and the right just wants sick people to suffer. Please don't claim you never ever fall into the ideology trap?

Take a second, and consider that Jeff, and I both feel the left doesn't care enough about the unborn, and we would like that to change. If you want to extend a hand in good faith, you could try to see unborn children the way we do for a second, and try to understand why we are excited if it looks like more will be saved.

I like Michael J. Fox, but I didn't like what he did. I think he screwed up, and I understand the pressure he was under. To him, it's his life at stake. I've been there kind of.

If we are created with certain unalienable rights, then why would we sign into law, actions which deprive the most helpless of those very same rights? I think Jeff would like to know the answer to that as well, if he can give you a second to answer

Why kill the unborn? Especially if it isn't necessary?

And why does the left seem to avoid that question? I mean really?

USA, al the way!

5 Johke:


You want to see America surrender to the terrorists. So do the Dhimmiecrats. You both want to see Bush fail so you can reap political rewards.


You're all beneath contempt. I'm not going to give you any golden showers, so forget about the blog, tard-boy.

1 Water mains in Detroit actually bursting from freezing cold. We are doomed. Global cooling is at hand.
We will all freeze in 7 yrs. The level of the ocean will recede and beaches will be destroyed. Florida to place elevators on public to lower people to the water's edge. Polar bears will have a population explosion and start eating people. Doomed I say. Doomed.
 
 
 
Rush Limbaugh has been nominated for the nobel peace prize. Says he is leading advocate of freedom in the world. Go Rush.

2 Brr it was 7 at my house this am.  REcord high for yesterday was 67 set in 1960s record high for Jan 31'st was 73 set in 1911. 

3 Didn't you know, warm summers are proof of global warming, but colder than normal winters aren't proof to the contrary?  Thems are the rules.

4 It would do you a lot of good to familiarize yourself with the science of global warming before you cite any sort of seasonal weather as evidence against it.  We're not going to feel warm due to global warming before the problems (sea level rise, etc) set in.

One day, week, month, or year that is warmer or colder than usual does not prove or disprove global warming.  It is a long term trend, and deviations from a trend are always possible.

5 Actually the planet probably is warming a bit.  We keep burning stuff so we are probably almost up to volcanic activity as far as Co2 and Sulpher dioxide.  Plus we keep trying to "burn clean" meaning less particulates are emitted to offset the gas part of the burn.  There is a reason nature puts particles in smoke.  We keep taking them out.  There must be some money behind it.  Becuase all the focus is in co2 not mention of sulpher dioxide or deforrestation or too much pavement. Hell the report even says we can't stop it. We can sure as hell waste a lot of money trying to stop it.  But ti seems to me that other parts of the problem are ignored.  Some low production farmlands and pastures could be allowed to grow back.  After 100 years you could harvest the timber correctly.  my neighbor gets 30,000 buck worth of timber every ten years.  The Amish come over and get it and pay good meney, his  forest is fine I hunt mushrooms there every spring. New forest is also a carbon trap.

The earth has always been changing, warming and cooling, We adapt well so I have confidence we could adapt to this.  Some species will not be able too but that is the law of nature.  Yes we are part of nature.  We can do a lot to be sure we are not changing things too much but we tend to look at pie in the sky solutions that won't work and will kill the "evil profiteers".   It's all a sillty bunch of crap to double my electric bill so they can double the tax on my electric bill. 

6 What if this current  warming trend is a deviation from a longer-term global cooling trend? In the 1970's, science warned of us of both global cooling in two decades and the population bomb. Neither occured, so the propagandists within the movement extended the timeline out beyond their own and their children's lifetimes. If nobody's around to say who was right or wrong, then you can recycle the same meme over and over again in order to sustain the life of the movment.

How long is the timeline we're using to measure this trend from beginning to end? 1000 years? 100 years? 10 years? Each will reveal different things - the former two, that there is no validity or substance to the hysteria surrounding an uptick of a decimal point of a percent in mean global temperature.

That's probably why we don't hear much about the history of global climate - it would reveal the truth. And the church of anthropogenic global warmingism can't have that.

7 There is only one thing certain about global warming-- China and India won't sign Kyoto, so that treaty will cause more pollution, not less.  I dare any Leftard try to dispute that.

8 Jeeez, didn't you guys get the memo? It's not "global warming" any more, it's "global climate change". See how that works?

9 Hey - lighten up! What else can we expect with all that "globAL warming" on our backs! ;-)

10 Oh how I miss those halcyon days of december and January when global warming/climate change gave me 75 deg weather. What is the worst case scenario? Miam and NY as well as LA and San Fran sink into the sea? Where is the down side? Deserts get hotter? They are already hot as hell and dry in the desert. Only a moron would choose to live where they must be supported artificially.

11 "Only a moron would choose to live where they must be supported artificially."

Oh, so you don't use electricity or oil or gasoline? Hey you RINO hippie, you can't diss Al Gore AND wear patchouli, you know.

"There is only one thing certain about global warming-- China and India won't sign Kyoto, so that treaty will cause more pollution, not less."

Creating a treaty that tries to get nations to cap pollution causes more pollution? Carlos, with that reasoning, why do we even have laws? Oh, and hello as well. Long time no see. I've been hiding in a cave too long. After a while, I realized Bush was never after me in the first place! How are ya doin'?

12 osama,

last I heard kyoto doesn't bind developing countries-- including some of the biggest polluters, India and China-- which means our industries would flock to those countries where Kyoto would make it even cheaper to do business there than it already is, and where there are hardly any pollution controls at all.  The result would be more pollution, not less.  Your precious treaty is nothing more than an exercise in Liberal white guilt and would literally cause more harm than good.  Thanks for asking.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/kyoto/

13 IPCC
 
Working  Group 1,2,3 issued in 2001.....
 
VERY LIKELY:
 
1) Higher daily maximum temperatures and more hot days over nearly all the earth
 
2) Warmer overnight low temperatures
 
3) Fewer cold days and frost days over nearly all land
 
4) Reduced differences between daily highs and lows  (say, 0 degrees or 8 below, that's cold no matter the numbers, its' all low)
 
5) MORE INTENSE  rain or SNOWSTORMS over many areas
 
6) A higher risk of summer droughts over inland areas of mid latitude continents
 
While snow cover and sea ice will continue decreasing and glaciers melt ***the Antaractic ice sheet will contnue to grow.  ***This is because WARMER air will hold more water vapor, which will increase the amount of snow in areas otherwise to cold to snow.  The climate changes during the warming phenomenon can actually make some places colder. 
 
CLIMATE CHANGE ACTUALLY REFERS TO AND AVERAGE OF TEMPERATURES OF EARTH OVER THE YEARS NOT TO TEMPERTURES AT PARTICULAR TIMES AND PLACES.  Which is why it is a bit of a misnomer to call it global warming.  In essence it is the ***UNPREDICTABILITY of  climate changes which is so dangerous.   
 
Of course knowing any of this would be if one was so inclined to actually read, say the IPCC report.  Of course no report written taking 6 years, combining the work of adjudication by 2500 scientists, 800 contributors, 450 authors from 130 countries is enough for the insanity of the contrarians to assuage their guilt over their pimped lifesyle enough to change their ways.  All these people just get together just to make sh** up.  Line by line they edit just for fun.
 
But the golden goose showed up just in time to offer the scientists and economists $10k each plus travel and perks if only they would remand their efforts to the dustbin of history.  Imagine that, Exxon thinking scientists could be bought off for as little as $10K.  I guess they must be used to buying off sheeple.  Indoctination comes pretty cheap for the evangelical oil morons.
 
Anyone bothered to check into what the IPCC report has to say for 2007??
 
Heck no, too busy killing kids in Iraq.

14 issued in 2001.....
 
VERY LIKELY:

Except none of it came true!  Just like hurricane season last year never came true.  LOL. 

You are a religious cultist, nothing more.  Even your proselytizing is religious in it's fervor.  You don't debate.  You just proselytize. LOL.

15 This thread is under control                       USA, all the way!

16 USA! All the way! (underwater) hehehe. Carlos, I see your point now. Don't you think it would be better if all countries had to be in the treaty? It's no wonder the biggest polluters aren't into it. Either way, I think jobs are going to these countries regardless. It's no wonder the dollar isn't doing well. As usual, the world's problems can mostly be attributed to greed or religious nutjobs. The outlook is pretty bleak!

17 Hey moonbats:


Feel free to prove any anthropogenic cause for "global warming."


Until you do, spare us your doomsday predictions.


I hope the Earth is warming. America would be much better off with increased fertile seasons and clear roads. The Canadians would love to own houses instead of igloos.

18 Uh oh. Here comes Buttholz to chime in. I'll play...

How about the massive spike in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere that is exactly paralleled to development in industrialized society?

How about how carbon dioxide levels are directly tied in with heat/cold extremes and dramatic climate shifts like ice shelves busting for the first time in recorded history, or the frequency of bad storms increasing?

The funny thing is, why would you not believe the warnings of the solid majority of scientists who agree that this is not a scare tactic & that it is real. It's not like they lack evidence.

Of course science is not perfect, but who would you rather believe: a scientist wanting to help humanity or some corporate shill paid to confuse the public? Do you trust oil companies? I don't. Even though I know most of you think this is all a bunch of crap, I'm not trying to be a jackass by saying all this. I also don't think this is all about lefturd moonbats.

I'm also wondering why Evangelical Christians find modern science so threatening...like archaeology, global warming, etc. It's like they treat it as a direct threat. If anyone here is Evangelical, please respond.

Buttholz, if you respond seriously without being insulting, I'll start calling you by your real name again.

19

osamabinthere: The 'hockey stick' is a lie   get real ...

I can't wait for the ocean to finally get here! It's been awhile since I have been to the coast, and I think it  will be just lovely if instead of me driving all that way, I could just jog down to it in the morning. I expect, like all promises made by the left, your going to let me down on this one as well.

Oh crap! I just realized that I was being optimistic! With your sides track record for honesty, I'll probably have to shovel a tunnel to the wood pile, to keep my home livable in July when this whole warming thing turns back into an ice age ...

Or more likely, I'll have to shovel straight down till I hit a coal bed. Trees don't do so well when it gets all glacial at my latitude.

If I do enough digging, I can create a shelter to keep humans alive despite the coming global ice sheet that must be coming.

Hey, I know what to do! I can hire illegals to do all the digging, since we are going to just pretend they aren't a problem anyway, I might as well take advantage. It's not like any Americans will want to do the work ... isn't that what you keep saying?

Since they will be working under the table, I can count on their desire to avoid capture to keep them in my thrall, and after awhile when they all die from black-lung, I can loot their corpses, let them dry out, then burn them as well. They should be good for a lot of btu's don't you think? I'm sure glad we don't try and fix the immigration problem, now that I see how useful a helpless underclass can be. All I have to do to be OK with this is adopt the 'moral relativism' of the left, and suddenly this horrible exploitation of a greivance group makes perfect sense. They WANT me to do it to them! And it's for their own good! Elitists know best!

I'm sure glad I don't have to worry about global warming though. I should have known it was a hoax outright, what with Al Gore being a major spokesperson and all.

Really, I'm sorry if you don't think I'm treating this seriously, but global warming alarmism, along with nearly all other leftist religious sermons, are just a bunch of big jokes. They are so stale and old, that any attempt to improve them is almost certain to succeed.

Aiming facts at you is like trying to reason with a mosquito. You just keep buzzing with the same whiney pitch to your voices, trying to suck blood from the productive members of society, so you can lay more eggs in your smelly old bog!  I know you don't care about how much the science that "supports" global warming has been doctored. So why should I bother trying to reason with you?

Really, why should anyone try to reason with you?  Even this question is an literal waste of time, because you think YOUR the one who is trying to reason with us ... but we all know that flaming lunatics who don't accept that the 'hockey stick' is a lie. aren't able to reason out a damn thing

You lefties are a hoot! "I didn't have sexual relations ..." Blah blah blah! Any intellectually honest person understood what the intent of the question was, therefore any intellectually honest person knows that in plain English, Clinton lied. "It depends on your definition ..."  Hah! Like anyone of even average intelligence couldn't understand the context, or the direction of inquiry. Clinton lied. You guys lie about so much, I think it must be pathological.

Lies like Pelosi saying she was going to have the most ethical Congress ... *Snicker*  Does she really believe this crap, or does she just read what her speech writers prepare?

Gobal Warming ... Yup! Sure!  Must be true! It depends on what your definition of 'warming' is, I would guess?  Sort of like it's going to get warmer for the next several months, at an insane pace, and it will do so again, next year about this same time .... Heh!

Tha stuff about a midevil warm period sure is interesting. I guess it isn't important, or Al Gore would have said something about it.

osamabinthere, wherever 'there' is, you should go back to. I make this suggestion because I'm really bored with you. Or at least pick a different topic. Maybe something you know something about? Maybe something just a little bit fresh and new?

I'd appreciate either one, but PLEASE, no more global warming nonsense, because that is what it is. Why don't you go find me a moderate Muslim, and bring them here to post. If you agree to try, I'll match you by trying to get a Unicorn to show up here. I happen to know that both creatures exist, which is more than I can say about your imaginary weather spirit.

That IS a formal challenge!

USA, all the way!

20 Michael:

Reading your posting was fun...

If you don't want discussions about global warming, how come you guys post about it all the time?

Also, the right-wingers never lie? Is that what you are saying?

Also, if the "hockey stick" is a lie, how come you don't have any proof to disprove? Can you supply me with anything other than "it's a lie"?

What really cracks me up is that your post was pretty much a hate filled rant against Gore, Clinton, Pelosi, the whole left wing, etc. Did I leave out immigrants? Either way, who do you think elects these people? Americans. Are you anti-America?

Please, take a second to turn off Faux News, turn off Savage on the radio and listen:

"I can't wait for the ocean to finally get here!"

You won't have long to wait if you live in Florida.

"Oh crap! I just realized that I was being optimistic! With your sides track record for honesty, I'll probably have to shovel a tunnel to the wood pile, to keep my home livable in July when this whole warming thing turns back into an ice age"

Yeah, the Republicans have a great track record. That's why they are getting voted out.

"Hey, I know what to do! I can hire illegals to do all the digging, since we are going to just pretend they aren't a problem anyway, I might as well take advantage. It's not like any Americans will want to do the work ... isn't that what you keep saying?"

I never said anything about illegals or Americans not wanting jobs. Where are you getting this?

"All I have to do to be OK with this is adopt the 'moral relativism' of the left, and suddenly this horrible exploitation of a greivance group makes perfect sense. They WANT me to do it to them! And it's for their own good! Elitists know best!"

Ah, the old Repug method of blaming someone else for what you feel guilty of? Blame the victim is a good method too. Hey, I'd come up with crap like that too if my party was known to be more racist.

"I'm sure glad I don't have to worry about global warming though. I should have known it was a hoax outright, what with Al Gore being a major spokesperson and all."

Yeah, if Gore says it's true....then my scientific conclusion is it must be wrong. Evidence or facts are instantly void if Gore says it's true.

"You lefties are a hoot! "I didn't have sexual relations ..." Blah blah blah! Any intellectually honest person understood what the intent of the question was, therefore any intellectually honest person knows that in plain English, Clinton lied. "It depends on your definition ..." Hah! Like anyone of even average intelligence couldn't understand the context, or the direction of inquiry. Clinton lied. You guys lie about so much, I think it must be pathological."

Yup, you got me. I'm busted. Everyone but the right-wing lies. You guys are all going to heaven within 40 years when the rapture happens. No wonder you don't like the idea of treating the environment with a little more respect. Do you shit in your bed? Pee on your living room rug? Do you pee on other people's rugs? Were you in the Big Lebowski?

"lies like Pelosi saying she was going to have the most ethical Congress ... *Snicker* Does she really believe this crap, or does she just read what her speech writers prepare?"

I dunno, ask Bush. I heard he's an expert on ethics and speeches.

"Tha stuff about a midevil warm period sure is interesting. I guess it isn't important, or Al Gore would have said something about it."

Ok, if it's so interesting, surely you can tell me what caused it and back it up with data?

"osamabinthere, wherever 'there' is, you should go back to. I make this suggestion because I'm really bored with you. Or at least pick a different topic. Maybe something you know something about? Maybe something just a little bit fresh and new?"

If you were so bored, why would you spout off so much?

"Why don't you go find me a moderate Muslim, and bring them here to post."

I wouldn't wish that on anyone, regardless if they were a Muslim or not. Oh, can you lure someone here so I can fight them? Hahaha.

"If you agree to try, I'll match you by trying to get a Unicorn to show up here. I happen to know that both creatures exist, which is more than I can say about your imaginary weather spirit."

Yeah, we all know modern science and technology is all fake story book stuff. Hell, even the computer you're reading from is a illusion created by Al Gore to scare everyone into becoming a moonbat!

21 Osamasbutthair:


Carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere have fallen, not risen, and they do not preceed warming cycles, they succeed them. They do not match warming trends either. The mini ice age in the late 19th century and early twentieth century had higher Co2 levels than we have today.


It's a moot point because Co2 makes up less than 2% of so called "greenhouse gasses," and does not cause temperature increases.


The polar ice caps are thickening, and 2006 had less violent storms than any of the preceeding ten years.


The majority of PHD level climatologists dismiss anthropogenic warming as pure hokum. Only the unprincipled twats looking to ride the gravy train of free funding push the doomsday scenario. They have no evidence to support their wild claims, which is why you are unable to provide any.


I guess I missed those Big oil fatcats telling the public that anthropogenic warming doesn't exist. Of course, I don't wear a tinfoil hat, so i miss a lot of interesting transmissions.


"Evangelical" Christians are not the ones spreading psuedo-science for monetary gain, leftbots are. Do you think atheists invented light bulbs, air-conditioning, television, recorded music, refrigeration, automobiles, planes, etc? Even your beloved Darwin was a Christian. I'd be interested to know what kind of Christian doesn't follow the Evangels, by the way.


Idiot.

22 Yeah. I'm sure the scientists haven't considered this. You guys sure showed them. Jeff, you're still retarded I see. So about that blog... are we starting it or what?

Come on man... we'll be the first Left / Right blog team. Whaddya say?

23 Bargbuttholz:

"Carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere have fallen, not risen, and they do not preceed warming cycles, they succeed them. They do not match warming trends either. The mini ice age in the late 19th century and early twentieth century had higher Co2 levels than we have today."

Really. So all those ice cores going back 160,000 years are lying. Considering we have the highest carbon dioxide levels in history, with a huge spike since the industrial revolution + the hottest years on record EVER in the past 14 years...does this not make you wonder?

"It's a moot point because Co2 makes up less than 2% of so called "greenhouse gasses," and does not cause temperature increases."

Another falsehood. It is scientifically proven they are linked. If you disagree, show me proof. I've got 46 countries and the majority of the world's scientists on my side.

"The polar ice caps are thickening, and 2006 had less violent storms than any of the preceeding ten years."

Hmmmm. another lie. I guess you didn't notice that all the world's glaciers are rapidly melting? Or maybe those huge unprecedented Rhode Island sized ice shelves breaking off? Hmmmm.

"The majority of PHD level climatologists dismiss anthropogenic warming as pure hokum. Only the unprincipled twats looking to ride the gravy train of free funding push the doomsday scenario. They have no evidence to support their wild claims, which is why you are unable to provide any."

So all those scientists who just made news were a bunch of kooks. Who are your scientists? I dare you to mention one who isn't a oil shill.

"I guess I missed those Big oil fatcats telling the public that anthropogenic warming doesn't exist. Of course, I don't wear a tinfoil hat, so i miss a lot of interesting transmissions."

Well, maybe if you watched something besides faux news, you'd know that oil fats cats were just trying to pay 10,000 per scientist to get them to counter all the evidence coming out supporting global warming.

""Evangelical" Christians are not the ones spreading psuedo-science for monetary gain, leftbots are."

Oh yeah, you trust the big oil and politicians. Smart choice Jeff. Evangelicals think fossils were planted by the devil and man walked with dinosaurs...and you want to talk about pseudo-science? Give me a fucking break.

"Do you think atheists invented light bulbs, air-conditioning, television, recorded music, refrigeration, automobiles, planes, etc?"

Never said they did.

"Even your beloved Darwin was a Christian. I'd be interested to know what kind of Christian doesn't follow the Evangels, by the way."

That's easy. The ones who aren't brainwashed. The ones who aren't hypocrites like Haggard. The ones who enjoy reality.

Jeff, I'm asking you to back up your arguments, but you have no hard evidence. Give it up, or provide me with hard (non-oil funded) science that proves your points.

24 saay, whered my comment go....

i just said that i thought the moonbat thing was funny... and al gore is a sad silly man.

25 Jake, repost!

26

osamabinhiding: You might bestir your lazy leftist hide to type "Medieval Warm Period" into a search engine!

You might also bother to follow this link, for starters ...

http://www.biocab.org/Global_Warming.html

You might also consider that if you would do this kind of cross checking BEFORE hand, you might be treated to a little more respect. Just repeating your Global Warming religious dogma really is a waste of your time, and mine.

When someone tells you there is an alternative to the "consensus" you should WANT to find out more. We have been hearing the voice of "consensus" till our ears bleed, but that isn't the whole truth, and it may not be true AT ALL!

And you should check out Al Gore, Occidental Oil, and Armand Hammer, or is that to much work?

And I'm getting that unicorn, so you better not wimp out on finding a moderate Muslim. I've been looking for one to talk to, but they are apparently not as common as unicorns, so I remind you that YOU ARE CHALLENGED!

Meantime ... USA, all the way!

27 Haha, Michael. It's gonna take me a while... I barely know any people who are Muslim. In the meantime, I do agree that a person should always want to know more. I'll google & you find that damn unicorn.

28

UNICORN ALERT.

I don't know how to put up pictures, and the link is a bit annoying, but I'll start with this ...

http://www.lair2000.net/Unicorn_Dreams/Unicorns_Man_Made/unicorns_man_made.html

Now this takes you to a real unicorn named Lancelot, that was making public appearances and was on TV, and I hope anyone interested will take a look.

So for those who say there is no such thing, here you go.

Now as to the legendary moderate Muslim, I know they exist, but it is very hard to get them to come out publically. I've been turned down by some moderates who are afriad of the backlash, and its dimming my hopes, so I am eager to see what Osamabinthere comes up with.

On Global warming science, I only know for sure, that the debate isn't over, and there is a lot of evidence that global warming alarmists don't consider. Like the unicorn, they say its not real, so they don't give it consideration.

When science is ignored, or discarded because it doesn't fit the "consensus" this makes me deeply suspicious of the motives of those who are doing the discarding. I am especially suspicious of those who would have us adopt policies that weaken our position, while allowing our rivals, and our enemies to move forward unimpeded.  I am also suspicious when such policies increase the size and intrusiveness of our federal government, and place our 'government by the people' under the authority of one-world socialists and bureaucrats.

I need to KNOW global warming is a genuine, and serious risk, and that it can be mitigated sucessfully, before I can endorse any behavior that runs against obvious American interests. Whether it is man made or not is really not important IF global warming isn't really dangerous, or IF it can't be stopped anyway. If this is going to be a global catastrophy no matter what we do, then it is smarter to use our wealth to adapt to the change, rather than waste our resources trying to stop an irresistable force.

I hope you get a laugh out of the Unicorn, but I had trouble with the link before, so it may take a few tries.

Anyway, USA, all the way!

29 I tested the link, and you should see the unicorn.       USA, all the way!

30 Osamasbutthair:


If you're going to lie blatantly, lie to someone else. Not even Al Gore is stupid enough to claim current levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere are the highest in "history." Carbon dioxide is an integtral componenet of the atmosphere necessary for life on this planet, by the way.


The hottest year on record did not occur in the last 14 years, and hot Summers have nothing to do with carbon dioxide levels. You still haven't pasted any evidence that anthropogenic warming is even possible, much less a reality. Newsflash, retard: High temperatures come first, increased carbon dioxide levels come second, when they come at all. Learn the difference between cause and effect.


The flat Earthers pushing global warming do so for monetary gain and to harm America's economy, when they aren't doing it from outright stupidity, as you are. Your phony stats don't address the simple facts concerning global sky falling. Nobody has been able to prove whether global temperatures are even rising, much less that humanity is the cause. All of the global climate forums since the ridiculous Kyoto produced forecasts that have turned out to be 100% wrong. All of them. If you can produce one forecast that turned out to be accurate, I'll buy you some new antennae for your tinfoil hat.


You know even less about Evangelicals than you do about global worrying. The Evangels are the Gospels, dimwit. The books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. They relay the teachings of Jesus, and there isn't a Christian on the planet who doesn't consider them important. Claiming that Evangelicals hold lockstep beliefs about the age of the universe shows your overweening ignorance, reliance on anti-Christian hate tracts, and hopeless nihilism. Coming from a dork who thinks deodorant spray cans have killed Winter, your calumny about Christians is a joke.


If you're really worried about the flat earth getting too warm, stop using your mom's computer. The electricity used to power it is probably  generated by burning coal. Stop riding the short bus, too. It runs on deisel fuel, which is the dirtiest fuel available. I probably don't have to warn you against using deodorant, do I, stinky?


Stop spanking yourself so much. The loss of protein is causing massive brain degeneration.

31 Michael...hilarious unicorn page. Oh, just so you know: There's a chance I wouldn't be able to find a moderate Muslim. Not because there aren't any, but I don't know any. I'm an something between Agnostic and Atheist myself! Always have been.

Now, on to Buttholz:

"If you're going to lie blatantly, lie to someone else. Not even Al Gore is stupid enough to claim current levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere are the highest in "history." Carbon dioxide is an integtral componenet of the atmosphere necessary for life on this planet, by the way."

Jeff, you're such a dumb fuck. Do I need to whack you on the head with the ice core samples to get through to you? Yes, Al Gore states they are the highest in recorded history right now. If you want the direct quote I'll get it for you. Also: Duh, yes carbon dioxide is part of our atmosphere and nessisarry for life. Do you think I don't know what photosynthesis is? The point is that man made imbalances have consequences. Or are you the type who craps upstream and then wonders why people downstream got sick?

"The hottest year on record did not occur in the last 14 years, and hot Summers have nothing to do with carbon dioxide levels."

Ah, so all those thousands of scientists from 113 countries were just kiddin'. Ok. I'll only believe you.

"Newsflash, retard: High temperatures come first, increased carbon dioxide levels come second, when they come at all. Learn the difference between cause and effect."

News flash fuck face, you are proof that retards can use computers. You have it backwards.

"The flat Earthers pushing global warming do so for monetary gain and to harm America's economy"

Ok, then tell me why they would do that and how.

"Nobody has been able to prove whether global temperatures are even rising, much less that humanity is the cause"

Again, it's your shrill little voice drowned out my mountains of data. I think you should go into the unicorn business since at least Michael has brains enough to admit that there are possibilities that this is caused by humans. You flat out reject the whole kahuna. Pathetic.

"You know even less about Evangelicals than you do about global worrying. The Evangels are the Gospels, dimwit. The books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. They relay the teachings of Jesus, and there isn't a Christian on the planet who doesn't consider them important. Claiming that Evangelicals hold lockstep beliefs about the age of the universe shows your overweening ignorance, reliance on anti-Christian hate tracts, and hopeless nihilism. Coming from a dork who thinks deodorant spray cans have killed Winter, your calumny about Christians is a joke."

The joke is on you and the Evangelicals. It's not my fault you're all delusional. Maybe you should rent "Jesus Camp" and then go do some meth with Haggard. I heard that he's been "cured" of his homosexuality, so you don't have to worry about a thing!


"If you're really worried about the flat earth getting too warm, stop using your mom's computer. The electricity used to power it is probably generated by burning coal. Stop riding the short bus, too. It runs on deisel fuel, which is the dirtiest fuel available. I probably don't have to warn you against using deodorant, do I, stinky? Stop spanking yourself so much. The loss of protein is causing massive brain degeneration."

Is this another one of those Repug tactics to blame accuse someone else of what you are doing? You're not painting a very bright picture of yourself, Buttholz. Oh, and I know you have spell check. Use it, or stop getting drunk before you type.

32 Figures. I have a typo in that last post after dissing Buttholz for not using spell check. Must be from "protein" loss. Or maybe it's all the carbon dioxide in the air? Blech.

33 Also: I heard that conserving on fossil fuels right now would send the wrong message to the earth. It would embolden our planet. We need to show the earth we mean business! More pollution! The earth needs to know we have the stomach for this fight!

34

Well I was going to move to the 'Unicorn' that Howie helped me post, but I will leave this comment regarding the battle between Jeff, and Osama. Leave off the Bible bashing. Jesus obviously was focused on healing our souls, not arguening over metaphoral ages of the creation. Jeff is corect that we don't know enough about who may be causing what EXACTLY, and that we can resonably doubt the motives of alarmists.

OsamaB(?) is correct that we have an impact, but is over the top in suuggesting that we so called 'deniers' want to pollute everything in sight. I know I can speak for Jeff when I say WE don't have any problems with clean air and water, we just don't like draconian laws imposed through alarmism. Global warming is not as reliably established as (Oh say ...) global barbarity in the name of Islam, and the fact that terrorist use our own territory to launch attacks against us. That danger is clearly real. We know climate change has been real for billions of years, but we don't know if it is dangerous, or what really causes it. One of these things is not like the other ...

I never ruled out a human contribution to enviromental changes, because everything affects the enviroment, and for people who get all their education from movies, I would point out the discussion of chaos theory in the first Jurrasic Park movie. Basically lots of little things affect the enviroment.

(Having a dyslexic day, and this is getting hard, so please forgive errors, I'll catch what I can)

The counteracting arguement to a butterfly flapping its wings, and making it rain in NYC, is the self regulating theory which is easily explained using a pond, or swimming pool, and any handy object. Just throw it into the water, and watch the ripples. Eventually they fade. If you use a stream for your test, the 'oblect' will have an effect lasting a fraction of a second, and it will be over. In other words things will move from extremes states to normal states on their own, even if they are tampred with.

Neither theory is bullet proof. A stream may SEEM invulnerable to your influence, but the bottom just came up by that small fraction that you added when you threw the object into the water. On the other hand it takes an awful lot of butterflies to create a Katrina, and I doubt there is enough butterfly mass on earth to flap that hard.

As to what the effects of human activity are, we are not SURE.

There is credible arguement that we are already SLOWING the natural global warming that would have occured without us, and that in itself argues for us to both examine the problem, but not to do anything rash.

I am more concerned with the social agenda of some alarmists. There are those who want us to place our national soveriegnty under the authority of treaties which undermine our Constitutional rights. Without good reason, I cannot support placing our nation under the authority of the UN, or similar organization. To many member states seek our downfall. To many of them posses the kneejerk anti-Americanism that comes from being on the wrong side of justice. If they can wound our economy, they will do it. The real Osama has said as much to his followers. mant state actors share his goal, if not directly employing his methods.

To OSAMABINHANGINGAROUND. I was ranting a bit. I have friends on the left that I do not yell at, so don't think it's my regular state. Still I would be glad to know you at least looked at the other side of the argument, and IF it affected your opinion.

USA, all the way!

35 Michael...I wish Jeff was as eloquent as yourself when posting. Even if I'm disagreeing with you, it's not like we are throwing turds at each other. I guess what I'm hoping is that we get the hell off fossil fuels ASAP. There's gotta be way to transition without messing with the economy. Between the wind, water and sun there's a lot to be harnessed...and all without pollution in the air. Even the thought of not depending on other countries for oil is reason enough. Btw, ranting is just fine with me. Please supply those links again...I can't find the ones you sent before. As far as religion...my beef is more with hypocrites or those who blatantly spread misinformation to children or kill in the name of god. If they are none of the above, I have no problem with 'em!

Unicorns, all the way!

36

http://www.biocab.org/Global_Warming.html

I thought that one was kinda of allright, but there are a lot of others if you look around.  This link will provide lots of useful fuel for googling. One thing that you will find out right away is that there is a lot of effort put into debunking the midieval warm period just by itself. If you start to look at cosmic rays, solar output, and volcanic activity, cows, tec, you will see a lot of other variables get thrown into the mix.

I have a favorite article in two parts I'll relocate for you. Ultimately, wherever you start your search, this will require a lot of personal time just reading the alternative views.

I started really looking at this hard when I realized some famous commentators were telling me things that seemed to directly contradict things I had learned by studying prehistoric history. Al Gore was one of the first I looked at, and it was his contradictory relationship to Occidental Oil and his fathers connections to Armand Hammer that finally put Al in the dog house. He wasn't even trying to live a green lifestyle. This launched me into looking at who gets paid by who, for what, and why.

Keep an eye out, and I'll try and get something in the next couple of hours.

USA, all the way!

37 Hey Michael...

Before I spend time reading anything, I always consider the source. The link you sent, funded by big oil/coal?

Here are some some shills I discovered:

Fred Singer is a Research Fellow at the Independent Institute, a recipient of Philip Morris and Exxon/Mobile funds and has received multiple grants from Exxon-Mobil. Given his professional History it would seem that Singer is little more than a hired gun trying to spread misinformation information. He and those like him did so for the Tobacco industry and are doing so now for the Energy industry.

James Taylor, works for the conservative think tank/propaganda site Heartland Institute. Which and whom is supported by guess who? the oil and gas industry. Their primary concern it seems is to advocate the theory that global warming is a myth.

Pat Michaels is associated with and has received money directly from among others, the Intermountain Rural Electric Association, ($100,000) and more than $115,000 over the last four years from coal and energy interests.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Steven_F._Hayward

Do you have any reports from non-oil, coal or electricity funded scientific organizations relying on peer reviewed research? I am really trying had to find one that is independent that offers in-depth information about the warming period you've mentioned.

Also...I was wrong about the ice cores going back 160,000 years. A study by researchers at the Physics Institute at the University of Bern and the European Project for Ice Coring in Antarctic presenting data from Antarctic ice cores showing carbon dioxide concentrations higher than at any time during the past 650,000 years.

No one is saying the climate doesn't go through cycles of warming and cooling. Neither is anyone saying that man is the sole cause of warming. The whole global warming thing implicates that activities have increased the warming trend beyond the scope of natural cycles, and that this trend is continuing to accelerate. It seems those who point to previous climate cycles as evidence that man isn't to blame for the current situation are simply knocking down straw men at a furious pace.

Why would 928 peer reviewed scientific articles on climate change supporting global warming be so wrong? What would they have to gain through deception?

Either way, more links...I'm very interested. It's not easy, as there are craploads of "experts" (non-scientist) postings all over the place. It's pretty exhausting to weed through it all.

38

Quick comment on "Shills". I personally hate Ted Rall, but sometimes he is so right. I know he is a "leftist stormstrooper" but I can't dismiss what he says WHEN HE IS CORRECT!

I'm willing to remove a factual statement, or a solidly logical arguement from the forum where it was presented to me, and look at it on it's own merits.

Al Gore has many strikes against him besides oil ties, and taken together, they are to much for me to accept him at his word. On the other hand Lieberman I can mostly believe, because I see that despite ties to a particular party, he is still bound by personal priciples for which he is willing to sacrifice.

Your doctor makes money off of you when your sick, but you trust him to help you get better. Corporations fund research, and have done so for a long time, yet we still expect accurate data.

There is a lot to talk about, but I need to get some sleep for tonight. I don't know what time it is for you, but it's 4:15 AM, and I need to be up again in about five hours. I'll be back either here, or another climate thread. Just remember that even if you hate the source, it can still provide truth. Ted Rall taught me that, in spite of himself.

USA, all the way!

39 Hey Michael...

I copied everything over so I can go through it all. I'm not saying I love Al Gore either, just so you know. Funny thing is, my fiancé's parents voted Bush twice and almost didn't watch Gore's film just because they hate Gore. I was told they rented it last week and although they hated the messenger, they thought the film was very important.

As far as shills go...of course oil money filters into almost everything. It's the scientists that are paid to deliberately mislead that I'm worried about. Remember when 9 out of 10 doctors preferred Marlborough Cigarettes?

Either way, I'll go through the info. I'll try to ignore all the bullshit and glean some info. Makes you wish the country wasn't so polarized.

"Your doctor makes money off of you when your sick, but you trust him to help you get better. Corporations fund research, and have done so for a long time, yet we still expect accurate data."

Ha! I actually don't trust most doctors. Especially my psychologist. Just kidding. I actually cancelled my health insurance the other day. I felt they were taking too much and I wasn't getting any benefits. Most think it would be stupid to not have any health insurance: "What is something happens?" Oh, like a car accident? They only cover up to 15g. That doesn't cover much if you actually needed some serious medical attention. Dental coverage? Laughable. I'm young though...46 bpm resting heart rate, low cholesterol and a healthy family history. Don't even get me started on Western medicine either...haha. I have never thought throwing a pill at something was a cure. More like treating the symptom but not the cause.

So yeah. Lots of reading. I gotta get to it.

Btw, a little off topic, but related (oil): I'm sure you heard about the recent CEO cash-out at Exxon...what was it, 400? 500 million? Imagine if they had used 350 million to develop alternative energy? I mean really...does it hurt some old fart to ONLY get 50 million on the way out? I'm all about the free market, but I still feel there has to be some sort of regulations. Like maybe a CEO pay cap of 20 million. Who could piss and moan about not being able to make more than that? Seriously, how greedy can someone be allowed to get?

40 Oh yeah, and regarding the virus you got...makes me glad I have a Mac! If Apple had more than 5% market share, I'd be a little worried about security a little more...not that I don't take precautions.

41 On capitalism ... If there is always a bigger prize to work for, you will find someone willing to try and win it.         USA, all the way!

42

Osamasbutthair:



Once again you have failed to back up a single plagiarized claim you made. You cant prove a falsehood, and you cant disprove a fact, but that‘s the price you pay for being a moonbat moron.


Co2 levels are not now the highest in recorded history, nor in all of history, as you first claimed.


Co2 does not cause global warming.


Co2 makes up less than 2% of greenhouse gasses. Water vapor makes up more than 97%, and its relationship with ocean currents such as El Nino is the main cause of naturally occurring climate change cycles.


Mankind does not add more Co2 to the atmosphere than vegetation converts to oxygen, and couldn't if we tried.


So-called “greenhouse gasses” do not create a greenhouse effect.


A greenhouse effect has never existed on the planet Earth--not even during the age of the dinosaurs.


Every prediction made by every climate convention held since the Kyoto convention has turned out to be dead wrong.


The predictions made at Kyoto about temperature increase rates placed mean global temperature more than 13 degrees higher than it actually is.


The "experts" and "scientists" quoted from most UN focus groups are actually policy makers and politicians. They are thoroughly unreliable--as is any climatologist who backs anthropogenic global warming/climate change.


The same liars and idiots claiming the Earth is warming used to claim it was cooling. Opposite doomsday scenarios, same lack of facts.


A lie is a lie, no matter how many fools repeat it.


Nobody can say for sure if the Earth is getting warmer or not, but the maximum increase for the last 75 years may be about 1 degree Fahrenheit.


Flat Earthers don't go back more than 75 years in their phony climate models because the Earth suffered a mini ice-age at the turn of the 20th century.


Temperature readings prior to the satellite age were crude surface readings, and so inaccurate in any model used to gauge long term climate change. Temperature readings now are atmospheric readings.


Those are the facts, tard-boy. No amount of peter-puffing can make up for your protein deficiency.


As far as Christians go, I can claim Galileo, Shakespeare, Newton, Bach, Darwin, Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Melville, Conrad, Einstein, and John Wayne in my camp. Who can you claim in yours, dweeb? Besides Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Chompsky, Manson, and Dahmer.


Comparing my unspecified typos to your sub-standard writing skills was hilarious. You write about as well as you debate.


Don't let the record cold temperatures we're experiencing get you down. I'm sure the globe will begin warming when Summer rolls around. Try not to freeze to death in the meantime.

 

 

43 "Once again you have failed to back up a single plagiarized claim you made. You cant prove a falsehood, and you cant disprove a fact, but that‘s the price you pay for being a moonbat moron."

Uh, I have backed it up. If you would read my posts thoroughly, you would find I cite specific research. Wingnut reactionary.

"Co2 levels are not now the highest in recorded history, nor in all of history, as you first claimed."

Ice cores, idiot.

"Co2 does not cause global warming."

Prove it. Give me one, just ONE study saying it doesn't that isn't funded by the oil/coal industry.

"Co2 makes up less than 2% of greenhouse gasses. Water vapor makes up more than 97%, and its relationship with ocean currents such as El Nino is the main cause of naturally occurring climate change cycles."

Comparing a worldwide atmospheric change to El Nino? Are you trying to tell me El Nino is causing global warming? Give me a break, you really are grasping.

"Mankind does not add more Co2 to the atmosphere than vegetation converts to oxygen, and couldn't if we tried."

That would make a great slogan for clear cutting! Bravo! Again, Jeff...you have farted and accused everyone else in the room of stinking up these posts.

"So-called “greenhouse gasses” do not create a greenhouse effect."

Hmmm...all the world's leading scientists must be dead wrong then. I'll believe you. What are your credentials again?

"A greenhouse effect has never existed on the planet Earth--not even during the age of the dinosaurs."

Yeah, maybe because they didn't burn fossil fuels! Hahaha. They were too busy turning into fossil fuels.

"Every prediction made by every climate convention held since the Kyoto convention has turned out to be dead wrong."

Proof. Give me proof not covered in oily fingerprints. At least Michael can carry on a sane conversation. We can find a middle ground and swap links, but you're being a fucking pud. Stop wasting my time.

"The predictions made at Kyoto about temperature increase rates placed mean global temperature more than 13 degrees higher than it actually is."

Give me proof.

"The "experts" and "scientists" quoted from most UN focus groups are actually policy makers and politicians. They are thoroughly unreliable--as is any climatologist who backs anthropogenic global warming/climate change."

Black and white Jeff world: Anyone who hints climate change is at all the fault of humans = thoroughly unreliable. Pathetic.

"The same liars and idiots claiming the Earth is warming used to claim it was cooling. Opposite doomsday scenarios, same lack of facts."

Show me proof. Never heard this.

"A lie is a lie, no matter how many fools repeat it."

Applies nicely to yourself. Rinse, lather, repeat.

"Nobody can say for sure if the Earth is getting warmer or not, but the maximum increase for the last 75 years may be about 1 degree Fahrenheit."

OMFG. You almost admitted to global warming.

"Flat Earthers don't go back more than 75 years in their phony climate models because the Earth suffered a mini ice-age at the turn of the 20th century."

Oh, so nobody EVER collected ice cores. I trust you Jeff, you are the authority on global science.

"Temperature readings prior to the satellite age were crude surface readings, and so inaccurate in any model used to gauge long term climate change. Temperature readings now are atmospheric readings."

Hmmmm, so then how did you come about claiming the Medieval warming period was hotter than temperatures today? Duh. Thought so.

"Those are the facts, tard-boy. No amount of peter-puffing can make up for your protein deficiency."

I thought you didn't use facts. Isn't that your whole m.o.?

"As far as Christians go, I can claim Galileo, Shakespeare, Newton, Bach, Darwin, Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Melville, Conrad, Einstein, and John Wayne in my camp. Who can you claim in yours, dweeb? Besides Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Chompsky, Manson, and Dahmer."

Maybe you should read some Richard Dawkins. You might benefit from "The God Delusion".

"Comparing my unspecified typos to your sub-standard writing skills was hilarious. You write about as well as you debate."

Repug technique #104: Blame opposition with what you are bad at. Listen, don't blame me if Bush can spell and speak better than yourself.

"Don't let the record cold temperatures we're experiencing get you down. I'm sure the globe will begin warming when Summer rolls around. Try not to freeze to death in the meantime."

Hahaha...still not getting it, are we? This isn't about brief, localized weather. Cold snaps don't mean shit. 70 degrees in NYC during dead winter is cause to wonder what the hell is going on. Winter is SUPPOSED to be cold.

Jeff, honestly man... Insults aside, do you have anything to contribute? Rather than wholesale diss, piss and moan...why don't you try to convince me? You spend so much time typing all this crap out and have nothing to back it up. I'm asking for a source of hard scientific data that isn't funded by oil/coal. No shills. No far left or right blogwits who think they are experts. Really...I'm actually hoping between you and Michael that I can read something substantial. He's given me plenty to go through...are you going to step up?

44 i think it would be really funny if, while you lot were arguing, the ocean flooded up to your house and shorted your computers killing you all...

seriously, instead of arguing about the details, we should be doing something about this. wheter or not its going to kill us all, it will still cause turmoil and bad stuff to happen. it has been proven that CO2 levels ARE rising and thats the thing we should focus on. in the words of bart simpson, instead of arguing about the small nagging differences, why not focus on the huge obvious similarities. its all climate change folks, and something has to be done.

45 Luckily, I have enough elevation for now. Let's hope Jeff Buttholz lives in Florida.

46 Earth suffered a mini ice-age at the turn of the 20th century.

lol at that... earth suffers alot... poor earth..

Are you trying to tell me El Nino is causing global warming?

i believe back in 1998 el nino caused everything else.... tornados hurricanes explosions malfunctioning satelittes so on and so forth, why wouldnt it stoop to global warming? there may be no limit to how low el nino will go.



"Co2 levels are not now the highest in recorded history, nor in all of history, as you first claimed."


you know standardized English tests in high school would disagree, considering that a graph showing just that and sourced back to a nationally funded group of climatologists made its way onto a california standards test.

Once again you have failed to back up a single plagiarized claim you
made. You cant prove a falsehood, and you cant disprove a fact, but
that‘s the price you pay for being a moonbat moron.

is anything in this discussion unplagiarized? when two people who are not climatologists discuss stuff like that then they just end up parroting actual climatologists...

47 Hey Jake...I don't think you have to be a climatologist to discuss this topic. I don't claim to be an expert. I do have a lot of faith in the scientific community though. Not the oil shills, but ones who can back up everything with data and a network of peers. I guess where I'm butting heads with anyone in here is over who's data is legit, who funded it, etc. In Michael's case, he is giving me leads to explore. Jeff is just being a rhetorical jackass repeating the wing-nut echo chamber. I'm simply looking for data from a scientist that goes against the consensus that isn't a oil shill. I have yet to find one.

48

Sorry if I have been slow getting back but I DO have to make a living, and today was kinda busy.

Oil SHills? If they have data, you should look at it, and not dismiss them out of hand. Oil everywhere, and on both sides of the arguement, so I'm not sure it is fair to ignore sceptics just because of it. Please consider that. You DID check out Al Gore and Occidental?

Also this takes you to a fairly well thought out arguement. I allow the writer isn't an expert, any more than you or I, but he has done some intersting research in any case. Some of his assumptions are of base, and I'll get you anothr link to where he will say so himself. he gets attacked for his positions, but to the best of my knowledge he hasn't recieved any oil money. His motive? geting it right before wasting time and energy on alarmist policies that may not be needed.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/11/05/nosplit/nwarm05.xml

http://ff.org/centers/csspp/pdf/20070201_monckton.pdf

USA, all the way!

49 Osamasbutthair & Fake:


You leftards can only claim the sky is falling for so long before everybody realizes that it isn't. The anthropogenic global warming disaster hoax has been going on for more than a decade now--and still no sign of a disaster.


Once people inevitably stop listening to this foolishness, the hucksters will go back to claiming global cooling is destroying the planet. Real climate cycles last anywhere from decades to millenia, but these ridiculous doomsday cycles only last as long as the gullible believe them. The hucksters grow rich touting either hoax, of course.


You morons are too stupid and dishonest to do any research, because you don't want to find any conclusions that refute your blind ideology. Like all leftards, you see what you believe, instead of believing what you see--a healthy, vibrant planet.


I, on the other hand, don't need to do any research, because I did it a long time ago. I'm writing from knowledge, while you twits are pasting inanities and easily disproven statistics from far left websites. That's the difference between an education and indoctrination, knowledge and ideology.


I'm still waiting for you flat-Earth tards to prove the sky is falling.

50

To EVERYONE who is following this thread!

When this runs off of the bottom of the page, I will carry on with Osamabingivingustrouble on some newer thread. Now that we have started with this, I intend to provide more material and let's see if he will at least admit there is reasonable room for scepticism on Global Warming Alarmism.

Some things I'd like to clarify. I copy and save a lot of articles on political issues. I have over 6000 files saved to my computer, some of which are small collections of articles I found interesting, and a worthwhile fraction of those are really good global warming debates. However, I am VERY BAD AT ORGANIZING. I have most documents saved in Notepad, or Word, and most of them have titles like "New Text Document (x)" where x = a number between zero and infinity. At least they are all under the same main folder on my desktop.

I realize now that while I could just use the search engines to relocate many of these articles, I'd prefer to pick through the better ones I already have, and I need to organize my stuff anyway, so this provides me with a strong motivation to do that.

SO, I am hoping that you don't lose interest, and that you'll indulge a slower turn around on some of the argueing.

My official position used to be "OMG! Its global warming! Somebody needs to figure this out!" 

NOW my official position is that "Nobody knows for sure WHAT'S happening." 

In other words, yes, climate change happens, and sometimes very rapidly. Yes, mankind, like any other species, does affect the enviroment. All living things DO, each according to their inherent qualities. Yes, we should be conscious of excess pollution, but we should remember that everything in nature is guilty of some form of pollution, Just like living things feed off of the remains of other living things (even plants do this) and this can be mitigated only so much.

We DON'T know for sure what is happening with the climate. We could be at the brink of global cooling, or this warming could go on for awhile. We can be relatively certain, that life on earth will continue, just as it has for hundreds of millions of years, even if some species are replaced by others, and some species die out all together. This has been the way of the world for something like a billion years.

Because of the position I find myself in, I cannot endorse any radical changes in our laws, or our economic processes. It seems "very likely" that any enviromental changes will have far less drastic consequences than we would face if Iran goes nuclear, or Islamists take power in Pakistan. How about that for "climate change"? I think we can handle the climate a lot easier than nuclear war, and global Islamization. I am for new energy sources, but I'm not holding my breath.

OK, so I'll be digging through my documents, and when I get frustrated I will do a cheap and easy google so that this debate can continue. Just keep your eyes open.

If Osamaneedsashortername want's he can e-mail me and we can move to a thread of mutual choice, but I'd like to keep this public for interested readers. I intend to continue in good faith.

I'm still waiting for that 'moderate' 

If I don't get back here in time, I'll see you on the road ...
USA, all the way!

51 Michael: Sounds good to me. I wouldn't mind this being discussed further. Also: Is Jeff always such a loud mouth know-it-all ignoramus?

Jeff: You're a lazy posturing fuck. Case in point:

"I, on the other hand, don't need to do any research, because I did it a long time ago. I'm writing from knowledge".

You don't HAVE any research! You have NOTHING to back up your argument but oil funded propaganda. I challenge you time and time again, but you STILL have nothing to give me to prove your point except your own hot air. As far as believing what I see, you have truly re-adjusted my perception of how ignorant and stubborn a human being can be. Your mind is in a box. I am open to debate. Michael clearly is too. You're just polluting this post like a wing-nut troll. Get a fucking life and let us adults discuss something we find important. Btw, I find it hilarious you call me a "flat-earth tard" when it's people like yourself throughout history who probably claimed the sun revolved around the earth, or the earth was flat, etc. You never fail to use the common repug technique of blaming someone else for your own faults. VERY predictable. Oh, and if you can please tell me:

The hucksters grow rich touting either hoax, of course."

Exactly who and how. If you can't supply names and method, then you'll just be admitting how full of crap you are.

52 Michael...forgot to ask you this while I was pistol whipping Jeff:

Regardless of your stance on global warming (or Jeff's global war mongering) if we could switch to an alternative fuel or fuels under these conditions, would you be in favor?:

If it was...

-Renewable, non-polluting to water or air.
-Stimulated the economy and created new jobs.
-Ended dependancy on foreign oil.

Can you imagine NYC or LA with no smog? I was in Iceland a few years back and they have really tapped into geothermal sources for energy. Although the tap water smelled like sulfur, they way they had things running was genius. I do feel that between ocean currents, rivers, sunlight, wind, geothermal activity and gravity there are massive sources of energy not being taken advantage of. That is minus any brilliant physics breakthroughs that might aid us as well. It makes sense why the oil/coal industry is so resistant, but on a personal level, what do you think about this?

53 Osamasbutthair:


I have refuted every scrap of bullshit you excreted. You have yet to prove a single idiotic claim you've pasted. It is not incumbent upon me to provide further proof of your stupidity. You are the simp who made the risible claims about Global Warming. PROVE THEM.


Claiming guys like me hate science is hilarious. Last time I checked, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Gore, and Hillary Clinton don't care much for science. I've already provided a list of conservative Christian luminaries who do.


Try not to display your juvenile stupidity so flagrantly.


Please tell us who and how billions of grant dollars don't go to "global warming" research. If you can't supply names and method, then you'll just be admitting how full of crap you are.


Even for a kid with fuzz on his peaches, you're unusually stupid. debating you is like debating a laboratory monkey with terminal cretinism. The monkey would be smarter, of course. Try to pull your head out of your ass before it's too late. Shit is for toilets, not for brains.

54 actually im totally annoyed that im being lumped in with bleeding heart left wingers....

did i ever actually say that there was global warming and that it was killing us all? no, i merely tried to get across the point that irregardless of  what the details are, as Micheal says, something IS happening. and we ought to be doing something about it. and we all should own guns and kill criminals. not with our guns, but with the legal system. and with our guns too i suppose. but also legal system. yeah. im not a liberal.

55 /points out BLEEDING HEART left wingers.... they arent all that way, but you seem to want to beleive so.

56 "I have refuted every scrap of bullshit you excreted."

You have not, actually. You have given no names and no sources and no links.

"You have yet to prove a single idiotic claim you've pasted."

It's not me proving it, it's the entire world's legitimate scientific community proving it.

"It is not incumbent upon me to provide further proof of your stupidity."

Yeah, because you have none.

"You are the simp who made the risible claims about Global Warming. PROVE THEM."

Why don't you look in any recent newspaper or scientific journal. No shortage of proof for you there. But, ok. Here's a few links wince you don't know how to use google:

http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/stateofknowledge.html

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

http://www.nrdc.org/globalWarming/default.asp

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html#Q3

Maybe you'll read those and realize how fucking stupid it is to ignore the mountains of evidence they represent. Your turn, bitch-ass. Give me a non oily link.

"Claiming guys like me hate science is hilarious. Last time I checked, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Gore, and Hillary Clinton don't care much for science."

Uh, none of those people are you or me, so what's your point?

"I've already provided a list of conservative Christian luminaries who do."

No you haven't! Btw, isn't that a oxymoron too?

"Try not to display your juvenile stupidity so flagrantly."

Oh yeah, you're the epitome of maturity and knowledge.

"Please tell us who and how billions of grant dollars don't go to "global warming" research."

Billions, eh? Can you back up those numbers? Who was paid and by whom? I don't see most scientists living large, Jeff.

"If you can't supply names and method, then you'll just be admitting how full of crap you are."

Ok. This one covers enough legitimate names:
http://www.ipcc.ch/ You have nothing even CLOSE to that. Not even remotely. All you have is your Christian hypocrites and oil shills.

"Even for a kid with fuzz on his peaches, you're unusually stupid."

Repug technique employed again. Blame me for what you're insecure about. It's ok, I can take it.

"debating you is like debating a laboratory monkey with terminal cretinism."

Hey, at least I don't live a alternative reality like yourself where you're right and the whole world is wrong. It must get lonely in there with just you and the Bush administration. Oh, wait...even they are willing to admit more about this than you.

"The monkey would be smarter, of course."

I take it you are referring to yourself.

"Try to pull your head out of your ass before it's too late. Shit is for toilets, not for brains."

Yeah and toilets are where your ideas start. Give up Jeff. It's wayyyyyyyyyy too easy to pick you apart and make you look as stupid as you are. It's almost fun sometimes, but mostly it's just boring. I'd like a challenge. Michael challenges me, but interacting like you is like shooting crayfish in a bucket. Crawl back up your mom's ass where you belong.

Michael: I'm outta here for the weekend. I'll check back on this post to see if you've started another thread. I look forward to it. Have a good Saturday/Sunday.

Jeff: I fully expect you to be a little bitch and take shots at me over the weekend while I'm gone like a little coward. I look forward to making you look like even more of a fool when I get back.

57 Aww geez!  Well I'm sorry I took so long to type this. I hope someone sees it.                             USA, all the way!
                
                    
                     
                         
                                
 

 

And Christian Conservative Luminaries is in no way an oxymoronic association.

58 "Secondly, I prefer the free market development of such technologies
because if they are really better, they will prove it by winning on
their own merits. people wqill want them because they feel like its an
improvement. The Government should only reward the new techn ologies by
awarding contracts to competeing designs that are superior, but not by
enforcement. Socialism is armed robbery by the state, with hobbles to
match. Don't need it!"

but then again i dunno, it doesn't seem very likely that major energy companies are just going to up and change their policies until its too late and we end up with a crisis. I'm all for free market, but this is something that we have known for sometime to be a potential upcoming problem, and oil companies have largely procrastinated actually doing anything about it. if they need a little kick in the ass to get them to actually make some changes, then i'm all for it. oil has been known to be running out for quite some time, and we all saw the effects in the 70's oil crisis, so there should have been an initiative working on it this entire time, not just right now, when gas prices are pushing 2.50 on average. note that i've actually kinda stopped talking about global warming and am now talking about oil supply. so yeah. it's only socialism when the companies squirm and squel about losing their precious money, even if it goes to something that will sustain their livelihood in the future. thats who the real enemies of the people are. the corporations that collect their money and give it to the rich. death to the rich! burn their bodies upon the stakes! yeah. not quite that drastic, but they definitely need to be paying MORE taxes, instead of less.actually how about this, what if we were to enact a law that stated that unless a person who makes $50m a year or more spends at least a third of their income each year, the government can claim a third of their income, above and beyond whatever income taxes they already pay. that may seem ridiculous and capitalism defeating to you, but i still pose the question, who the fuck NEEDS $50m a year anyway? and it galls me to see those millionaires putting their money away into their banks and never having it change hands until the millionaires die and it goes to whomever gets on their wills, TAX FREE. yeah thats all that pisses me off. the rich are screwing over america and the government is helping them do it.

/rant

lol

59

Jake., I don't know that anything HAS to be done. That is my primary objection to wasting a lot of time, energy, and national prosperity doing SOMETHING. Why do anything if we don't know it wil work, or if there is even a threat?

Suppose your sitting near your campfire, some night out camping. If your clothes suddenly caught on fire, maybe you could put the flames out if you just ran fast enough to crete a strong breeze. Or maybe you could run until you find a stream to jump into. Or maybe you could pour the stuff from that can on yourself to douse the fire. Or maybe you could run to the next campsite screaming for a fire extinguisher. Or maybe you could run, but focus on generating enough sweat to douse the flames.

So if you don't run off a cliff, or pour gasoline on yourself, or cook yourself for the local scavengers, or drown, or light the forest on fire as your dying act, you might, maybe try rolling on the ground.

But suppose that you don't really even know if your on fire. If you've never seen fire, or heard of it before, you may not have even the simplest idea of what to do if you catch on fire. Suppose instead you have poison ivy, or you've been bitten by a mosquito. Maybe you just got sprayed by a skunk. if you have no clue whats going on, you can't possibly make an informed choice about how to deal with the situation. "OMG I'm on fire!" But are you really?

Maybe it's a good thing. Maybe you got sprayed with some sunblock, or bug repellent. If you panic, your an idiot.

I'm worried someone is selling us 'Doctor Pinecones Elixir' good for curing most any camping malady, real or imagined, guarrenteed to work unless it is actually needed. Results may vary.

I'm worried someone wants us to buy something we don't need. And it will cost us more than we can afford.

USA, all the way!

60 Remember that rant. Save it, and after the weekend we can talk about your views on big Business, and the oil companies. Meanwhile ...        USA, all the way!

61 yeah if you move off to some other thread feel please let me know.

i dunno, i keep putting my email in this here email thing but i don't see it anywhere else....


thejakeman16@gmail.com

62 ooh need to read thses posts i make...

"thread feel please let me know"

should read either "please feel free to let me know" or the more forceful sounding, "please let me know.... or else."

63 Jake, don't let that bother you. I'm at least partly dyslexic, and even a sentence like this is kind of hard to type correctly when I'm a little tired. other folks aren't used to typing fast without a spell or grammer checker, so they make mistakes. What is sick, and sad is when they jump all over some one elses spelling errors like they never make any.        We'll talk again.        USA, all the way!

64 Jakeass:


If something is happening, why cant anybody prove it? Why should we fear something which is apparently immeasurable and inevitable?


Because you say so? Because the ever reliable U.N. says so?

65 Osamasbutthair:


Checked out your links. They didn't prove global warming exists, much less an anthropogenic cause. No surprises there.


You still haven't made your point. Conservative Christians like Galileo, Shakespeare, Bach, Newton, Darwin, Washington, Jefferson, Mellville, Lincoln, conrad, Bell,  et al have--in spades. So have I.


If anthropogenic global warming were real, you would have no problem citing evidence. You cant, you haven't, and you wont.


You're all wet, little man.

66 "If something is happening, why cant anybody prove it? Why should we
fear something which is apparently immeasurable and inevitable?


Because you say so? Because the ever reliable U.N. says so?"

guh hyuk, woow th u.n. sure was right about them WMD's that saddam had!

and yes BECAUSE I SAY SO.

67 Officially moved on to new 'climate' threads. Specifically "The Cooling Earth"                 USA, all the way!

68 Jakeass:


You mean the 800 tons of yellowcake uranium found in Iraq? The nuclear weapons program complete with centrifuge found? The tens of thousands of tons of conventional weaponry? (Which are WMD, by the way.) Are those the WMD you're blathering about.


So much for your say so.

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1 Wish global warming would hurry up. Its freezing down here on the gulf.

2 It's Cheney's weather machine. Rove is the a-gunner and simply feeds it raw petrolium.

3 You just don't get it.  It's not global warming - it's Climate Change.  Temperature goes up - Climate Change - Temperature goes down - Climate Change - either way we need a 10 trillion dollar UN-administered program of carbon-quota bribery carbon quota distribution and enforcement.

4 eeh heheh...   "Food for Carbon"    ah whats was the other one called?

5 Jakeass:


The other one is called Chicken Little. While you leftbot retards wait for the Earth to cook like a meatball, the rest of us are ignoring him.

6 still wondering why you are calling me a left- anything...

1 Being a Leftard and marching in lockstep is so much easier than thinking though!  Plus you get that warm fuzzy feeling that goes along with being a Leftard.

2 Data presented by Shaviv and Veizer claiming global climate change is not caused by man made greenhouse gases and that cosmisc rays are the cause is unfounded based on faulty research.
 
Two curves presented in their report which are meant to show a statistical correlation were found to have been adjusted by the authors, in one case by 40 Million years. 
 
And this is what you predicate your denial of climate change on.  Researchers who must adjust their data to support a lie being told so you can pretend you know something about which you have no clue.
 
God, I feel sorry for you.

3 were found to have been adjusted by the authors,

There were not "adjusted" by the authors, ya lying moron.  Rahmstorf simply used a different formula than they did to to arrive at his curves.  Currently the eggheads are debating whose methodology was the correct one (I couldn't make heads or tails of it myself).

4 They were not adjusted...

5 Researchers who must adjust their data to support a
lie being told so
Posted by: civil behavior at February 04, 2007 04:25 PM

Ah yes the typical leftard debate tactic accuse the other side of doing what you are doing or as a good friend of mine once said "deny everything and make counter accusations" anywho CO2 is an infantismal part of total atmospheric gases as a matter of fact it is only 10¹⁹ of total gases a far more prolific and heat retaining gas in fact is water vapor, so tell me cb do you recommend we not use hydrogen fuel technology since it produces water vapor as a by product? The hubris and arrogance of the global warming crowd is amazing, you actually believe we can predict the weather or even understand how the climate works on a global scale and then go even further into your delusion that even if we can predict it we can do something about it. You are the one who needs pity.

6 Simply put there is no debate on the correlation of increased CO2 emissons and the warming of the climate AND at this point it is highly doubtful that models can show the extent of warming without accounting for anthropogenic forcings.
 
 
Shaviv and Veizer's highly questionable methods of adjusting the data so as to conclude that the effect of cosmic ray alters or nearly overwhelms CO2  contribution to climate sensitivity aligns their hypothesis with the likes of Lindzen, Singer and the numerous industry shills that have been exposed over and over. 
 
Of course why would we expect the remaining deadend supporters of Bush (now in a very small minority) to say much else.
 
Foolish Americans.........can't be part of any solution just destruction....pathetic.

7 Grasp those straws.

Your religion is a sham.

8 adjusting

By your continued use of that term you only expose yourself as a propagandist, and confirm what we already know about this global warming hysteria-- it's not about science, it's about propaganda.  Just keep repeating it enough and it becomes true.

9 <blockquote>simply put there is no debate on the correlation of increased CO2 emissons and the warming of the climate
Posted by: civil behavior at February 04, 2007 08:58 PM</blockquote>

Really? You my friend suffer from a mental disease that a commenter on another thread here called invincible ignorance the first symptom of which is making statements like the above. you are truly suffering I pity you.

10 Why is it Good Lt. and Carlos are unable to present me with any reasonable science that supports their denial of climate change other than paltry mushy words paid for by oil and coal industry shills .....
 
 
Explain why denying science is so necessary to your ego.  What do you have to gain from denying science? 

11 Snivel behavior: Copying others articles word for word make you feel like you know something. But we know better.  You think others don't read the same articles? Those chicken wings and watermelon are messing with your mind. Friggin mental midget.

12 paid for by oil and coal industry shills .....

I'll ask you this first, seeing as you've tried avoiding it on previous threads.  Don't you think that Kyoto without China and India will cause MORE pollution, not less, because our industries will migrate to those countries with less controls?  Answer the question already, or get the fuck off this blog you leftwing blowhard.

Re "oil companies", obviously you're more interested in slogans and propaganda than reasonable science.  And I second rooster.  Copying word for word from an article about matters you haven't the slightest clue about only makes you look like a mindless gorebot.

13 Snivel:


Mean global surface temperature hasn't risen by more than 1 degree farenheit in the last 100 years. Not that anyone can say so with certainty.


There is no scientific basis for an anthropogenic warming cause.


Why do you rely on faux science? What do you have to gain from denying real science? Why do you leftist automatons fear the truth?

14 Snivel behavior: Ever had the feeling you weren't appreciated? Pollution and Global warming are two separate things. Now go away, do some research and come again when you know what you are talking about. bye, bye.

15

civil behavior,

You cannot claim the debate is over without getting a snicker out of me. If the dabate was really over, nobody would be debating it, WOULD THEY?! 

Yet here YOU are debating it, with the rest of us, hoping to what? Trying to change our minds for whatever purpose, that's what.

We find sources that say your position is wrong, and you DEBATE with us about it.  So where is this debate suppossedly over???

Well it obviously isn't.

Al (Occidental oil) Gore is flying around in his jet while you guys on his team keep saying 'ignore the man behind the curtain'. HAH! Your biggest cheerleaders in this cause are as proped up by special interest monies as anyone, and I think WE SHOULD DEBATE THAT A BIT!  Lifting up the skirt on your little global warming agenda may help us realize why none of us should want to take this date to the prom!

Your cause is a favorite of commies, socialists, and anarchists, and this global warming hysteria is just one more weapon in their war to replace our Republic, and our economic freedoms upon which our prosperity rests. Misguided fools, with a warped sense of social justice. The natural result of your sides vision is to cripple those with talent, to make those without talent feel better. Tear down those who CAN, to appease those who cannot.  That is what lies behind communism, and socialism. Destruction of the talented, and robbery of the fruits of their labors.

Besides your elitists, who think they should be in charge because they are elitists, you have a bunch of jealous parasites! THESE do nothing but ride along and suck blood while others work hard, and take risks, and pour their lives into being productive. It isn't your parasites who create all the wealth. Wealth is created by those who have the will, the persitance, and the vision to find ways to turn crap into gold. Those with a little less of these virtues can still make something of themselves by simply trying. Put a lazy clinging parasite onto the back of each one, and then see how they do. Not good! The productive will never acccept this unless they are forced to, and for that you need either violence, or crises.

So that's how to get a rope around the neck of that wild and free capitalist beast before you can pour the leeches out on him. He won't let himself be caught by a danger he can see, so to get socialism accepted you have to be creative. Bring on the lies and hysteria! Bring on 'Global warming!'  "Oh please save us members of the cultured elite! We desperately need your nanny government to tell us what to do! "  Its all bullcrap, and anyone who isn't getting all their information from the six'oclock news can see it.

You count on the lazy couch potato culture to give you your victory, and since it's so easy to get them to sit there with some beer, or pot, or whatever, and let you spoon feed them through the idiot box, it seems you've had some success.

But you have not won yet. the debate has only really just begun. Al Gore's hypocracy is one of my favorite talking points, and I'm rather fond of the midevil warm period, so lets see you suppress that! I also like the various periods of earths history where we had many times the CO2 levels that we do now, and the best part is, earth didn't burn to a cinder.

Since I know real research can be difficult for some folks, maybe you could at least watch "Walking with Dinosaurs", like the episode where we are told how Antarctica was lush and green in the summertime. Since the world didn't ever burn up before, I guess it's because dinosaurs were communists? Maybe?

In any case Al Gore will be having his bones preserved in a museum someday, and his lies will have been disproven by time. Hopefully the same museum will show that the primitives of our time rejected the voodoo of global warming, and calmly gathered FACTS upon which to make our decisions.

Meanwhile I have an inconvenient truth for you ... the debate continues!

USA, all the way!

16 In a nation led by evangelical oil barons, you, her fat children who expect resources to last forever and believe you can crap in your own nest and not need to clean up will be frantically grasping for your share of the dwindling pie while the freakish weather brought to you by more intense storms, drought, wind and yes, even piles of snow will destroy your god of money. 
 
At which point Homeland Security will take on a whole new meaning.
 
Foolish and STUPID Americanos.........

17 You give up your car yet, civil behavior?

18 Yet another substanceless post by the sniveler.

19 I'm gonna drive around the block three times today for no reason - just to piss civiloff while I burn gas. Maybe I'll take the longer, scenic route home from work. Yeah - I think I will.

And there's not a damn thing he or any other leftard can do about it.

Global cooling! Global warming! Bush-made climate change!

20 Snivel Behavior is so full of shit if he converted it to methan Los Angeles could power their cars for a year.

21 Teach, yes, by the way I have stopped driving except for one day a week to get groceries and large items.

22 I sometimes drive just to drive.

And I love it.

I burn lotssss of gas, and the weather keeps geting colder. I must be doing something right.

23 Of course you love it .........all rednecks do.

24 Snivel:


Why don't you have any facts to support your wild claims? Your handlers are behind in their game.


Sucking cocks is no substitute for the truth. Spit it out and face reality.

25 For those of you bothering to argue with the idiot-children global-warming devotees, remember--against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain....

26 "(I couldn't make heads or tails of it myself)."

mayhap you shouldn't comment on it then? or at least go out and get a degree in climatology so you can legitimately learn the issue that you debate so vociferously.



www.dictionary.com

if you need help with vociferously...

27 Jakeass:


"Up your ass."


In case you need to locate your tiny brain.


Do yourself a favor and look up "fatuous" in the dictionary. You might want to try "sophomoric" too.

1 Neat.  But cosmically speaking, that's a snail's crawl.

2 Coincidentally, that's also how long it takes a libtard to blame Bush for everything that they think has gone wrong.

3 Why do you guys believe in this? Isn't it just a theory thought up by some scienticians? Aren't they the same guys who come up with "theories" like global warming and evolution?

4 The Speed of Light is the same no matter where in the Universe you are or how fast your are travelling. Relativity is simply how you perceive it from your Paradigm.......

5 Isn't it just a theory thought up by some scienticians?

Yeah, it's just like that.

6 Joke:


The speed of light is a measurable fact. Until Earth's temperature rises enough to be measured accurately, "Global Warming" is not. Anthropogenic warming is an easily proven fallacy, and evolution theory is not the province of leftoids.


Charles Darwin was a devout Christian, shit for brains.

7 Oh I thought that was supposed to represent the speed with which Rosie went from her "wife"'s pussy to the fridge and back again.  Or perhaps the speed with which leftards go from demonizing a position when it arguably benefits america to adopting it as their new religion when it arguably hurts america...

1 I guess little green men are causing global warming on Mars:

Mars Is Warming, NASA Scientists Report

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mars_ice-age_031208.html

2 Hah....hah....hah.....I'm not scared. I've been freezing my butt off all morning, playing in the snow outside, even though I live in the South. I need some Global warming.

And don't tell me the "Progressive, Reality-based community" is scared. Middle-eastern terrorists with nuclear bombs don't scare them, so how in the hell could a little two or three degree rise in temperature have any effect at all on such brave people?

3 CNN said this morning that sometime between 100 years from now and, oh, next Tuesday, the oceans will rise somewhere between 7 and 30.8 inches.

4 Little Green Men driving gas-guzzling SUV's is who you mean, Carlos. Of course, these little green men are "light green", which means they are evil, in comparison to the "dark green" men who ride buses and trains. See how it works, Carlos.

5 Better chances for death by famine than by terrorist. Deal with it.

6 I am so tired of these niggling, quavering, scared-of-their-own-shadows types I could scream. They see danger lurking around every corner, doom in every new pronouncement . Honestly, it's getting to be like a cult. My fear is that soon, even though a certain amount of danger may legitimately exist, no one will even listen to them anymore...



Naturally I'm talking about those obsesssed with terrorism.

7 GLOBAL WARMING IS BECOMING MORE CONTROVERSIAL, NOT LESS

Look, look, up at the sky! Do you see that? And that? The sky, the sky, it’s on fire! It’s burning, and can you see how it’s spreading?  Look over there – those -- over there, they look like clouds, but if you look closely, they’re not, they’re on fire!  More and more of the sky is changing into fire!  Everyone is looking up, and they see the same thing!  It’s on fire, it’s burning, and it’s going to kill us all!  I can feel the heat, it’s getting hotter and hotter, and we’re all going to die...Ohh, my God, we’re all going to die!

The key problem for global warming theories is that the sea level has not risen much in the last 150 years.  A small rise may have occurred, but this may be attributable to the “tail end” of the last ice age.  If sea level rises much more, we may be able to ascertain what, exactly, is going on.  If sea level declines, then theories of human-caused global warming will probably be relegated to the dust-bin of history.

If a long trend of global warming is occurring, there are two ways it could be related to humans.  First, humans might be causing the warming.  Second, global warming might be causing the humans.  That is, most land mass is in the Northern hemisphere, where warming would increase and improve arable land, growing seasons, crop yields, and available water supplies.  We know that global warming was beneficial to humans when the last ice age began retreating, but we do not know if these benefits have stopped.  World population is increasing, but GDP per capita is also increasing rapidly, which probably causes more energy use per person.  In this way, global warming could CAUSE the CO2 in the atmosphere to rise, instead of CO2 causing global warming.  CO2 is not the most important greenhouse gas– --water vapor is.  CO2 levels may or may not be causing global warming, and global warming may have stopped in 1998.

The entire warming debate is based upon conjecture until any sea level changes can be clearly attributed to human activity. Science has not yet clarified this key issue.

8 Better chances for death by famine than by terrorist. Deal with it.



The greatest contributor to death by famine is war, not weather.  Deal with it.

9 Screw you, Gleep. I tired of this obsessive fear of "global warming", which has NO effect on me. None, nada, you get it! I've been playing in the SNOW, you dim wit. In the deep South, you idiot!

What global warming? This is the coldest winter I remember in quite some time. Get over it! Your fear mongering does not scare me into giving all my wealth to some 3rd World dictator to see if he can use it better than me. Or to some bureaucrat at the UN, so that the money can sponcer third World armies running brothels and raping children in the places they are supposed to protect.

Or transferring more of my taxes so that "progressive idiots" can spew more anti-Americanism, anti-republic, anti-Christian, anti-everything that is good drivel. I'm fucking sick of it. Get my drift, worm!

10 Middle-eastern terrorists with nuclear bombs don't scare them,

Terrorist nukes don't scare the average Lefty because unless they live NY city or L.A. their odds of dying are minimal.  See, they're so logical!  To the average Lefty it's all about him.  So caring.

11 Leftbots,

unless China and India sign onto Kyoto, that treaty will cause MORE pollution, not less.  Our industries will naturally gravitate to countries with less pollution controls because it's cheaper to do business there.  This means less jobs (for us) and more pollution for the planet. 

I beg of you, please consider this for a moment.  Take a break from the leftwing talking points and partisan hackery.   If we can get China and India onboard, then we'll talk.  But until then, Kyoto would be a disaster for the West and for the world at large.   It's so obvious.

12 GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING!


Hahaha! That scared the shit out of all the "progressive community".
 
 
GLACIER MELT! SEA LEVEL RISE! BLAH! BLAH! BLAH!


The netroots community are shitting their pants now! You nutroot liberals need to grow a set of balls and quit being such a bunch of sissies. Cowboy up, pansies!

13 Uh, no insult intended to your obvious Christian leanings and you might be right altogether templar, but at the same token, anyone's chance of dying from an act of terrorism is about as likely as being stung to death by wasps while getting struck by lightning — and yet that's the ongoing fear.  As for you playing in snow in the South, that's nice, but global warming isn't about one year to the next  in one part of the US ... hell I'm in Wisconsin and this winter's been about 20 degrees wwarmer than uusual. That's not global warming. It's about the cumulative effects of a continual and measurable rise in temperatures throughout the world, causing  drastic and long-lasting changes in weather patterns, which ultimately effects food and water supplies, which ultimately effects terrorism  -- starving, thirsty, pissed-off people have nothing to lose you see.

14 ....but global warming isn't about one year to the next  in one part of the US

I've noticed a pattern in this ongoing debate about global warming whereby a warm summer is more evidence of global warming, but a colder than usual winter can be dismissed as not probative to the contrary.  Hmmm, interesting.  Anybody else notice that?   Just like a severe hurricane season is proof of global warming, but a season without any hurricanes at all isn't probative to the contrary.  Talk about "inconvenient truths".

15 Snow is Pheonix, Mississippi and Malibu. Yea! A sure sign of global warming. That doesn't count. But a polar bear waking up 3 days early is a sign of doom.

16 Damn good point, Carlos. Just like this past hurricare season being one of calmest ever, after the global warming nutjobs predicted an extremely active, more powerful than ever hurricane season. But, just as you say, they can come up with a reason why their predictions are wrong, yet never give the opposition that same chance.

17 templar, rooster,

it's that kind of intellectually dishonesty which speaks volumes to me about their claims.  Counter arguments don't faze them and they don't even try to respond on the merits.  They'll attack the messenger 24/7 though.  That's science?  They wouldn't be so intellectually dishonest if truth was on their side. 

Also, the fact that they would sign up for Kyoto even knowing how damaging it would be to the environment tells me this is pure ideology,and not about the environment.  It's just more of the same self-loathing crap we've come to expect from the Left over the years.

18 Hmm....wasn't it just a few hundred years ago that 90% of the scientists agreed that the World was flat, and that Columbus was likely to fall off the edge of the World. My point is that not everything said by the scientists is right, and that nothing that walks on two feet can predict the weather.

Frankly, I hate all this pollution, myself, and common sense tells me that fouling the air and water with pollutants is not good. But these stupid income redistributing schemes that the liberals are coming up with have less to do with pollution than they have to do with ideology, and they know it. They are just using scare tactics to try to get us to commit national suicide. What they seek to accomplish, other than the collapse of the West is beyond me. Hell, I don't even think they know. They just want to destroy.

19 Check through the rest of the news. Somoene has orchestrated a lefty media blitz.

20 When one is a lefturd he must follow the complete agenda. This includes abortion in the last months of pregnancy, black people are disenfranchised, global warming, PETA doesn't kill animals, illegal immigrants should have more oportunities than citizens, US Soldiers are baby killers, Bush invaded Iraq for the oil. 9/11 was an inside job. 99% of muslims are nice caring people who hate the terrorists, 87% of Jews vote democratic, etc: problem is they bring so much bullshit to the table that when they have a real issue no one listens. Most lefturds are  miserable, hateful people and don't know it. They are angry at everything so they come together in their misery and call it the democratic party. This gives them a platform to spread their hate and anger. I would feel sorry for them except for the damage they do.

21 Creep:


Nice job combining anti-Christian bigotry with a logical faalacy about "Global Warming."


3000 people never died by being stung by wasps while being struck by lightning simultaneously. Wasps and lightning have not declared war on the civilized world, either.


Please tell me what the "continual and measurable rise in temperatures throughout the world" has amounted to.


"Global Warming" feeds terrorism. I guess it was inevitable for a leftoid retard to tie the two together.

22 Warming is caused by the sun, not by people on the Earth. The hole in the ozone is shrinking. There was a mini-ice age from the 14th century to the 20th. Warming wiped out an ancient Chinese civilization eons before industrialization. Volcanoes spew thousands of times as much damaging pollution and CO2 than all of the vehicles and industries produce in the world. The United States is currently experienceing record low temperatures across the entire country. The 2006 hurricane forecasts were perhaps the most inaccurate  predictions ever made, and we were told that "global warming" was causing them. Bull. Sh*t.

Anthropogenic global warming is a hyped up left-wing farce, and a political platform of the Democrat party.

Facts are facts. There's a reason the reports say "very likely." Its because the contributors know that they are full of sh*t and can't prove anything conclusively. Water IS H20; water is not "very likely" H20.

The report "proves" nothing except for the lengths leftards worldwide will go to to have a religion and meaning in their lives.

Remember when it was, according to the Democrats and mainstream press, "very likely" that Karl Rove was to be indicted? Did that make it true?

There's your answer for the global warming hoax.

23 That pretty much sums it up!

24 3000 people killed at the World trade center and that dumbassed Gleep compares it to wasp stings. Yep! Wasps often kill 3000 people in one morning. You ignorant piece of shit.

25 .... woooooow, did you know that cars kill more than that many people? EVERYDAY?!?!?!

seriously, you fail when you apply facts.

1

It's real. I seen one just like it coming home from a New Years eve party.

2 no, it's my ex mother-in-law.

3 Since the Japanese caught it, isn't the logical question: what did it taste like?

4 it is of course photoshopped because no such creatures exist. i invite you to take a tour of the creationist museum. god created the earth 6,000 years ago and these liberal scientists are trying to distort his word.

our biblical ancestors dined on dinosaurs and other "ancient" fossils after they left the garden of eden.

5 If the Japanese discover that its good to eat it will soon be extinct.

6 Fox news just aired a few seconds of video, so it's not a Photoshop.

7 Has Jim Webb put one in his mouth yet?

8 Looks older than 4 yrs. Webb wouln't be interested in it.

9 Does anybody know what's that specie's name?

10 Jonathan Barks:


Could you be a more obvious troll?


Tell me. How scientific are Marxism and atheism? Is either one able to provide comfort, wisdom, fellowship or a stable society? Who murdered 300 million people in the last century--strict creationists or Godless marxists? Which country would you rather live in: America, Cuba, China or North korea? People who believe the universe is only 6000 years old make up what percentage of the Christian population in this country?


Thanks for displaying the famed intolerance of the left. Those creationists must be twisting your arm to conform to their point of view. They use the courts to legislate their ideology over the desires of the majority and the law of the Constitution, right?


That's what I thought.

11 Jonathan:
Please tell, me because I'm very much afraid that a Tyranosaurus Rex might come to my backyard garden to attack and eat my dog - how to kill him with a simple weapon, no more sophisticated that those made about 6000 years ago that Adam and Eve migh had been using to kill  and eat dinosaurs?

12 Haludek: Its called a GLEEP-ICKATHON I understand that they are hermophodites.

1 Does everything have to be a red/blue battle for you?  Does it
concern you in the least bit that 2006 was the warmest year on record
in human HISTORY?  Why must you conservatives constantly tow the
line of corporate oil interests?



This is not a partisan issue you fools!

2 Ice cores show 30% more carbon dioxide now  than in the last million years.
 
Boreal forests are dying back.
 
Ocean surface temperatures have increased as have the duration and intesnsity of hurricanes over the same period relative to the corresponding temperature rise.
 
The oceans are the major carbon sink within which most of the temperature rise has been absorbed thus the ocean is getting warmer.  Thus causing melting of the ice shelves allowing fresh water to be deposited in salt water. 
 
Warmer temperature leading to a more vivious hydrologic cycle increase the prospects of unopredictable weather as is the case with intense rainfall, floods, droughts and snowfall.
 
Destruction of forests has detrimental effects on soil erosion and water wasteage increasing the inability of the earth's natural systems to filter pollutants.
 
The real bad stuff will happen when the sea floor methane hydride ice melts which seems to be occurring as tankers equipped with methane seeking devices to prevent explosions are going off unexpectedly in the open oceans.
 
What's happening are not subtle changes but dramatic temperature changes affecting weather that is erratic and unpredictable given natural causes. 
 
Bush has driven us down the oil road and into a brick wall.  God help us.
 

3 Bush? I think was Queen Victoria.  All the coal that bitch burned during the industrial revolution. 

4 China, followed by India, are the world's largest air polluters.

Shorter civil and Wormpaste: We're all gonna DIE!!!!! ARRRRGGGHHH!!! ANARCHY!!!!

Cute, but not supported by historical fact or scientific evidence.

5 We got a blast of ice here in central Texas and it shut us down for 3 days.  That rarely happens.  But then the ice melted after a while, so I guess that's because of global warming.

6 The northern hemisphere is getting warmer, at least as far as the short 160 years that we have been keeping records. Giving a partial 3 month local anecdote is certainly underwhelming evidence of a probable global condition.
But some people are simply less likely to believe so than others.
Many are the same people that were saying and believing that we were/are "absolutely winning" in Iraq. It does seem strange that the people who most often trust in their government are also the ones who declare that they favor small government.

7 The BBC reported 53 days ago Ice caps are thickening in Antartica. Here's a source that debunks the claim that "global warming" causes more hurricanes. Also read here for what we anti-hype like to call "healthy skepticism."

A consensus of science once agreed that the world was flat, but that didn't make it true.

Put that in your hash-pipes and smoke it.


Here's the broken Marshall link (PDF) :http://www.marshall.org/pdf/materials/319.pdf

8 john ryan,
 
how bout that crazy hurricane season Leftard alamists predicted.  It was going to make Katrina look like a summer drizzle.  How many hurricanes did we actually get?  Zero. 
 
LOL.

9 It's a never ending source of amusement to me that people who decry "fear mongering" when it comes to terrorism are the same people who get all messianic about global warming.

10 1.."2006 warmest summer in human history"...Hmmm ,whom exactly was gathering weather and temperature data from, oh say, 5,000 years ago. Weather and temperature proxies are only accurate if the proxy is sound and the data isn't manipulated. Unfortunately the IPCC and those of that ilk used some poor proxies and then ginned the data to make thier, ultimately, fraudulent case.
2..Although CO2 levels are higher, there is no evidence that these levels are related to global temperatures or temperature trends of consequence. In fact there is evidence of much higher CO2 and much lower temperatures ,as well as the opposite, in the past.
3.. Ice cores can be a valid proxy if pressure changes as a rsult of drilling and exposure are accouted for as well as contamination of the drilling prcess itself.
4.. There is considerable evidence of solar energy fluctuation and cosmic ray exposure causing temperature fluctuation that will not even be considered by the proponents of anthropogenic global warming. They also tend to ignore or seriously discount water aerisols as well.
5.. Follow the money, most of those proposing anthropogenic global warming stand to benefit, directly or indirectly, monetarily from the global warming amelioration boondoggle that they are trying to perpetuate.
6.. The inconvient truth of the matter is that anthropogenic global warming is a fraud as are those whom perpetrate the hysteria surrounding it. Visit " www.junkscience.com " for a nonhysterical view point and a large collection of data to support the above positions. Note that I have no interest in the site of a monetary nature nor am I involved in it, but ,I do find the data  discussion  and evidence compelling.
7..The "enviromentalists" won't take responsibility for killing millions because of their DDT hysteria, they won't likely take responsibilty for the carnage that they are trying to propogate with global warming hysteria either.

11 Warmest year on record story.
 
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WEATHER/01/10/warm.year.ap/index.html
 
Follow the money my arse, look who stands to benifit from a scarcity of fossil fuels and lowered regulations for CO2 emmissions.  It sure ain't the church of latter day saints!

12 Reality check time - there's much more:

Global warming is a hoax, invented in 1988, that combines old myths
including limits to growth, sustainability, the population growth time
bomb, the depletion of resources, pollution, anti-Americanism and
anti-corporate sentiment and, of all things, fear of an ice age. Those
that espoused and supported the old myths have joined forced into a new
group called “Environmentalists.”

Most environmentalists
have no technical or scientific credentials whatsoever. What they have
are major news outlets ready and willing to publicize their every
utterance regardless of whether or not they are backed up by scientific
proof. Atmospheric science requires highly technical knowledge and
skills, not possessed by the vast majority of the so-called
environmentalists, who yet feel qualified to demand that human activity
subjugate itself to the whims of their new deity, Mother Nature.

Environmentalists
claim that the Earth’s atmosphere is getting hotter. They claim that
the polar icecaps and glaciers will melt and sea levels will rise over
two hundred feet, flooding most coastal cities. They claim that many
areas of the Earth will turn into deserts. They make all these claims
but cannot substantiate them with real scientific evidence. Parts of
the polar icecap and glaciers are melting but other areas of the polar
icecaps and glaciers are thickening. The environmentalists base their
“proof” of the existence of global warming on the melting areas but are
strangely silent, even militant to the point of violence, if anyone
mentions the areas that are thickening, and those thickening areas are
many.

More here. And here. And here. Cato Institute's slapdown. Jim Inhofe's smackdown of global warming hype and fiction. And here.

Start reading and stop inhaling the hot air being emitted by Algore's butt.

13 wormick: You are full of shit. 1931 was warmer. Friggin lefturd.

14 "Warmest year on record story"..... The official weather records in the U.S. go back to approximately 1880.  126 years of records is a miniscule portion of 4.5 billion years of history. But, since you brought it up, we should really be concerned about the global climate since we can no longer raise vineyards in England as had been done in the past.
 
" scarcity of fossil fuels " what scarcity of fossil fuels ?? Despite repeated claims of "peak oil" proven reserves have remained relatively steady for about the last 3 decades, this despite ever increasing consumption and the deliberate retardation of exploration in this country.
 
"lowered regulations for CO2 emmissions" so far this country hasn't fallen for the "carbon trading bovine scatology" that the old world idiots have. So, rightly, there are no CO2 regulations, nor, should there be.
 
You strike me as another of those who would destroy the economy and the country, no matter how foolish and unproven your "beliefs". Perhaps you shouldn't comtemplate your arse so much and join us in the real world.

15 Snivel behavior: You are now a total and complete asshole.  Bush changed the weather. Naw you creep. Clinton did it. I seen him. You must be jealous of your brother Major Nagin in New Orleans.

16 Goody, goody Lt. is correct that the ice in thickening in anartica. It is receding a little in the artic. THIS MEANS THAT SOMEHOW BUSH HAS SCREWED UP THE EARTHS' ROTATION.

17

Man am I drunk. Just came back from party at the boat launch. Keep hitting the wrong keys. But a drunk like me can see that Bush is warming the earth so the ice will melt in Alaska making it easier to pump oil that will destroy all the wildlife in Angola. Just the facts. Just the facts.

18 Actually in Alaska, the ice melting is making the ground softer, making
the roads unpassable for the trucks that would ship the oil off. 
Bush is actually making it impossible to drill for oil in Alaska. 
I would never have known!

19 I can't believe you would respect a report by Inhof, a man with no
scientific background and that received more than a million in campaign
donations from the oil and gas industry.



http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/sector.asp?CID=N00005582&cycle=2004



Gawd you guys are pathetic, can't you see that you are being played?

20

JUNKSCIENCE.COM

 
HAHAHAHAHAHA........
 
 
Fewer hurricanes....El Nino increased the vertical wind shear stupid.
 
 
The data on Antarctica suggests serious changes are occurring.  While the interior of the continent has remained cool the edges have warmed   dramatically causing ice shelves to break away.  These sea based ice shelves are known to act like dams to keep the land based glaciers from moving to the sea.  Their breakaway allows further melt of the land based glaciers.  of course why would the simple idiots worry, only 75% of the worlds fresh water is stored in glaciers. And geez, only 84% of them have retreated in the last 50 years. Its been recognized for quite some time that the southern hemisphere has been in a stronger "wind" phase than the Northern hemisphere thus keeping warming air from reaching it.  Besides that, regional change does not reflect the impending dramatic change that is being measured as a global average.  There is no dispute that global mean temperature is rising.
 
 
Good Lt  .....here, James Glassman......  here hear, Bill Gray ........Lindzen??  Fred Singer?  Christ why didn't you just link to CEI for crying out loud and really totally destroy your credibility.  You were only one small peepee step away.  It simply reflects a very unfortunate education that you have been afforded to depend on oil company shills and right wing think tanks for your information.  If you can't do better than that then you shouldn't speak to things you know nothing about, especially ones of such gravity.
 
Smackdown?  More like gag it down.
 
Try geting yourself a real education.  Go to realclimate.org or read about your own shills change of heart.......www.climatesciencewatch.org/index.php/csw/details/exxon-mobil-first-steps1/
 
or just shut up and let the rest of us do the thinking.

21 oil company shills

Leftbots are just like clockwork.  So anybody who doesn't toe the Leftard party line is being paid off by the oil companies.  Isn't that so typical.  So where's my paycheck?  Well here are some dissenters from the Leftard party line who aren't being paid by the "oil companies":

Dr. James O'Brien, professor of meteorology &
oceanography at the Center for Ocean-Atmospheric Prediction Studies at Florida
State University

Dr. Gary Sharp, scientific director at the Center for
Climate/Ocean Resources Study

Dr. Anthony Lupo, professor of atmospheric science at the University of Missouri - Columbia

Dr. David Legates, associate
professor of climatology at the University of Delaware

George Taylor,
Oregon State climatologist.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=\Nation\archive\200409\NAT20040915c.html

and some more:

Hartwig Volz, geophysicist with RWE Research Lab in Germany,

S. Fred Singer, atmospheric physicist with the University of Virginia and
the Environmental Policy Project,

Dr. Ulrich Berner, geologist with the Federal Institute for Geosciences in
Germany

Professor Bob Carter of the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James Cook
University,

Professor Tim Patterson, Carleton University paleoclimatologist


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22 formatting at Jawa is all f*cked up these days.

23 Nasa:  soccer mom SUV fumes reaching all the way to Mars:

Global warming on Mars

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/mars_snow_011206-1.html

24 Jesusland,
 
 
Just go to exxonsecrets.org and inform yourself of the vast network of oil industry shills.    Anyone who uses Fred Singer for their "reliable information"  on climate change has no credibility.  I could likely go through the rest of your list too as the network of paid shills IS large.  Thing is you can google them just as easily as I can only you are unwilling to face your part in creating this now runaway disaster we ALL have created by propping up your straw man arguments to avoid educating yourself. I'll bet you raced right to realclimate.org huh?  It would be above your head anyhow.
 
 
As long as  you are unwilling to recognize there is a problem then obviously we cannot count on you to be part of the solution.  What you DO become is an albatross around the neck of all the rest of us.
 
 
Typical republican hypocrisy though, the rest of us are used to it.  Not to worry your precious little head......we'll do the hard work for you.

25 civil,

you keep mentioning Singer, but you can't broadbrush all scientists who dissent the Leftard view as "paid shills" without providing some evidence.  It's well known that the Left lies and distorts and does whatever it takes, no matter how unethical, because it's for a "good cause."  You are people possessed.

26 Once the Global Warming scam runs it's course, the hucksters will capitalize on another Global Cooling scare. leftists are willing to throw money at any politically correct scare story, and all leftists are idiots.


You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you cant fool all of the people all of the time unless they're leftoids.

27 You know all those hurricanes that failed to materialize as predicted?  Paid off by the oil companies.  LOL.

28 I'll never forget spring break of 1994.  Went to New Orleans and saw... snow.  It didn't stick, but it most definitely was snow.  Eeeek, that global warming.

29 Neither global temperature nor hurricanes increased in 2006. The global ice sheets are thickening overall, and the cyclical melting trend is not increasing. Increased carbon dioxide levels succeeed warming trends, they don't precede them. This suggests the left's disaster preachers have trouble recognizing cause and effect. No big surprise there. Nobody knows for sure if the Earth is getting warmer or colder, mainly because prior tremperature readings were surface temp. readings instead of much more accurate atmospheric readings. According to the disaster merchants model, surface temps should have been the first to increase in a Global Warming catastrophe, but that hasn't been the case. (Step outside and feel the chill, leftards.) The "dramatic" temperature increase that has supposedly occurred within the last 100 years or so has not amounted to even 1 degree farenheit. The lefties don't go back more than 100 years in their deceptive temp. charts because the world suffered a mini ice age at the turn of the 20th century. Whoopsie!


Don't get me started on the computer simulation from the computer primitve 1980s that started the whole Global Warming money train. ("Pong" was more sophisticated.)  It didn't even take water vapor into account, and water vapor composes more than 97% of all greenhouse gasses--the selfsame greenhouse gasses that are supposed to be cooking the planet! All computer simulations since then have turned out wrong. Every single one.


Global Warming is a fable, peddled by hucksters and bought by rubes and leftists who desperately want to believe evil Westerners are destroying the environment rather than protecting it.

30 Wormick: It's shipped in a pipeline not trucks. Friggin Idiot.

31 Snow in Malibu is a sure sign of global warming on the coasts of America. WHAT A BUNCH FRIGGIN RETARDS. It's snowing in Pheonix and Los Angeles. BUSH ISN'T CAUSING GLOBAL WARMING. HE'S CAUSING GLOBAL COOLING. and I'm freezing my ass off in Nawlins. You lefturds who read all this shit are just plain sick. You look for something that ain't there. As long as you read it someone will write it. As long as your stupid enough to eat at McDonalds I will serve you. And laugh all the way to the bank. Friggin lefturd dorks.

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Buh bye.

34 Obviously there is no way for you to read about the effects of te climate chnage occurring when you have your head somewhere where it can't see the light of day.
 
Look for the IPCC report due out on February 2nd.
 
Of course that is if you dare.  Essentially the lot of you are cowards and pussies afraid you'll have to change your wasteful consumptive ways if it turns out that you are the problem.  Why would you want to be part of the solution?  It would cut into your redneck lifestyle.
 
God help us.  I never believed that Americans could be quite this stupid but you have proven yourself to be the shining example of what the rest of the world fears.  Utter and complete morons.

35 afraid you'll have to change your wasteful consumptive ways if it turns out that you are the problem.

civil,

my lifestyle wouldn't really change, though it's true I might have to pay more for my lifestyle.  And so would American companies, who would then move to non-kyoto countries (China, India) to save money.  The problem is those countries have zero pollution controls (unlike America), which means we'd end up with less jobs but more pollution.

The only way Kyoto would work is to get the Chinese and Indians and dozens of other 3rd world polluters onboard.  Otherwise you're "solution" is just going to create a bigger problem.

Most leftards (you included) haven't even considered how Kyoto would actually make things worse cause they're too consumed with hatred for the West and it's "oil companies".  It's what drives you.  Hate, not concern for the environment.

36 civil,

hello?  What's going to happen when our companies leave these shores in search of greener pastures in China and India who have no pollution controls?  What you gonna do then.  Bueller?  You there?

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1 Kryll? Wasn't he the villain portrayed by Gary Busey in Steven Segall's "Under Siege"...
 
so Germany's under attack by Gary Busey?

1 "Dollyus partonus,"
Puh-leeze. Great big is not always the same as great.

2 Let me be the first to say that I am....disappointed.

3 That's good stuff.  Laughing is healthy, you know.

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1 Kinda puts things into perspective, doesn't it?

2 pshaw!  What about ultranovas, huh?  Huh?

3 Silly shit.

4 Damn. Now I have to go change my underdrawers...

5 Supernovae, comets, asteroids, sun flares, giant space monsters like Mechagodzilla, taxes, and now the freakin' Islamofascists...do we ever catch a break on this planet?

UFOs must come here out of sheer amazement that we're still around. Well, it's either that or the Krispy Kremes.

6 As long as we're not in the path of MechaStreisand...
 
And, personally, I think the ET's show up here for the BBQ pork and cerveza...

7

Quit trying to steal Al Gore's thunder. You know "climate change" is the numero uno big time problem facing civilization. Just because a few crackpots with nuclear weapons want to destroy half the World, well, hey, don't worry about that. That nuclear winter thing might just halt global warming, right, Al.

8 So this is why Tommy Lee is going to have to change the name of his new band.

Thanks for the enlightenment.

We did not even know to be afraid!
 
 

9 This is all BLASPHEMY. God the father created the universe and earth 6000 years ago as written in the bible and verified by scientists. Watch TBN for the scientific proof to bibilcal truth.

These liberal and satan worshiping astronomers are trying to poison our children and country with their anti christian filth.

enough is enough.

10 <sigh>... kinda fun while it lasted, there...

11 I wish Austin and the Islamists had both listened a little closer to the Pope's speech, in which he intoned both logic and reason as being part and parcel of the Christian faith, in fact, he inferred both as God's will. That the Catholic Church in particular did not allow these in the distant past is no reflection on the Church today, nor should it be. Personally, although not a Catholic, I saw much to like in the Pope's statements.

12 Beats the Hell out of anything that came out of Mo-hommad's(Pork/Piss Be Upon Him) mouth...

13 Hulk SMASH!

14 At least we won't have to worry about muslims anymore. I wonder if allah knows about all this cosmic stuff, doesn't seem to crop up in the koran (or any holy book for that matter). Could it be possible that allah is not really "all-knowing"?

15 True Born Again Christians do not listen to the pope at all. The pope is a false prophet at the head of a heathen and idol worshiping cult claiming to be Christian.

All catholics will go to hell unless they are born again.

Praise Jesus and God Bless America

16 Chill out Austin...you sound like a muslim in reverse.

17 Austin is a liberal troll, jester. He is here to sow discord.

18 The Islamists would love this Austin guy as long as he only talked about the Catholic Church.

Where does the Bible say the universe was created 6k years ago?

19 Creepy indeed! The supernova looks like Mohammed or like the dude eating an ice cream cone on that Grateful Dead album. Now where the hell did I put my tin foil hat?

20 Perhaps it is the twelfth imam rising from the bottom of the cesspit er... I mean well.
 
It is a sig! A sign! God be praised!
 
Or maybe God just fired one across our bow knowing we can see that far to send us a message.
 
Hmmmm

21 I soiled my armor I was so scared!

22 Far out man.

23 It must of been the JOOOOOOS that caused that supernova...

24 Problem with this is that journalist understands not that 470 million light years in space means 470 million years in time. I mean, it did not happen yesterday, as he pretends us to believe:

The working assumption was that since life appeared on Earth, there had been no stellar mega-explosion. Now we know there has.

I mean, Jurassic era was 60 million years before, and this was 8 times before. I'm no biologist, but I do not think there were no intelligent apes in that time...

25 I do not think there were no intelligent apes in that time.

There have never been any intelligent apes in the media either ;->

26 GRB 060218 was not the nearest gamma-ray burst.
That honour goes to GRB 980425, which was ten times
closer. The reality is that gamma-ray bursts are
not much of a risk to us. On would need to be very
close to use to pose a threat, and it would need to
be pointed directly at us, which is unlikely because
gamma-ray bursts are highly beamed. Worry about
Yellowstone erupting, or a comet striking us before
you worry about gamma-ray bursts.

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1 Completely concur. I polished it off going to and from Vegas.

2 Would you two shut up. I'm right in the middle of the damn book. It takes me at least 3 months to read a book, due primarily to laziness.

3 One author I highly suggest to anyone, save those with short attention spans, is Thomas Sowell. He isn't the most fiery penman ever, but my IQ jumps a few points just reading the indroduction.

4 Oh, and yes, liberals getting eaten by cannibals always makes for a Merry Christmas.

5 Totally awsome book. I'm working through some of the footnotes now. I've never seen a work of fiction with the underlaying reasearch so well documented.

6 I finished the book last night.
I enjoyed it thoroughly. While arguing against an effect of man's contribution to global weather changes, the book also speaks about the possibility of man made tsunamis (an interesting idea).

As a scientist working under contracts to the military, I have personally felt the pressure to package data in a "marketable" fashion, as Crighton suggests. I refuse to do so.

Recently, the DOD sent out a Small Business Innovative Research (SBIRs) topic to explore the effects of squalene and DU, despite their 14 year old insistence that Gulf War Syndrome doesn't exist.

Squalene is produced naturally in the body during the metabolism of cholesterol, but at very low concentrations. It is used in vaccines at high concentrations as an adjuvant to strengthen the immune response to the vaccine, presumably making the vaccine more efficacious. It's possible that by boosting an immune response too much, the body becomes confused and exposed people develop intolerance to many substances (paint thinner, perfume, etc.) For a good review on chemical intolerance see Dr. Claudia Miller's work (Univ. of Texas Health Science Center, San Antonio).

DU is only 40% depleted and produces alpha, beta and gamma emissions as it decays.

Be honest, would you knowingly allow your children to be exposed to either of these compounds? Not me.

7 You know guys, there are liberal/leftists looking in on this board right now who are shocked - SHOCKED I TELL YA - that people here read "books".

I'm still in the Christmas Spirit so .... Liberals/leftists! Hondo doesn't read "books"! In fact - hondo can't read! ... Now, do you feel better about yourselves? Good! Now Merry Christmas!

8 The book was an easy read . . the books referred to in the footnotes will take all of '06 though . . . Heh, heh . . .

But, all I can offer is . . "Suspicions Confirmed" . . . .

9 greg

Why do you do this? The one line opening then ... zooooom!

Want a man-made tsunami from hell? Drop one very big nuke down a hole in La Palma.

GWS remains too vague and non-discript - a portion may be associated with chemical exposure after an "incident" at an Iraqi weapons storage bunker facility.

Others with environmental & biological acclimation problems - indigenous and little understood (sometimes unknown) bacterial and viral factors. Transporting large populations from on region of the planet to another "alien" and isolated region does sometimes produce unexpected biological reactions in a percentage of the transported population.

Gamma? as far as I know - no - but I could be wrong - I have played with some remote sensing SAT photos of the region and I don't recall any tell-tale signatures. If your a scientist - you would know what I'm talking about (hint hint - I can tell the difference between an elm and a maple from 500 miles up - n' their health too).

Why am I doing this? Guess I'm bored tonight.
Maybe I should go and not read a book.

10 Thomas Sowell is awesome, Maxie.

Funny you should bring this up, Rusty. I read the book when it came out and recommended it to my son just last night. He's an avid reader and will swallow it in one sitting. As I was reading it I checked as many sources as I could and looked up as much corroborating evidence as I could find on the web. Crichton is pretty damn accurate.

Another good read of his, although not related at all to State of Fear, is Timeline. I was disappointed a bit in Prey. Just didn't have the punch his other stuff does.

I'm reading VDH's new book right now, A War Like No Other. I have an autographed copy. ;-)

11 Greg:

1) DU has been proven American and European organisations to not be associated with health problems.

2) DU only emits alpha radiation

3) If you've flown on a modern aircraft or walked by a construction site with large cranes you've exposed yourself to DU. I don't hear you complaining about any long term health problems. Unless DU is the cause of all the crap you tend spew on a regular basis.

12 Graeme,
You are wrong. But hey, go ahead and snort some DU and report back to us in a couple of years.

There were several instances of friendly fire upon American tanks in the first Gulf War. Clean up teams then salvaged the tanks by decontaminating them. As a consequence, members of these teams are getting very ill.

Furthermore, birth defects have sky rocketed in Iraq since 1991, bolstering the possibility that DU has health consequences.

We just don't know what the effects are at this time. As I said, the military is now focusing on DU's potential health consequences. Those labs who report that DU doesn't harm people are the ones most likely to get repeat funding. This is another example of the experimental bias that Crighton speaks of in his book, "State of Fear".

"Depleted uranium is approximately 40 percent less radioactive than natural uranium. Depleted uranium emits alpha and beta particles, and gamma rays. Alpha particles, the primary radiation type produced by depleted uranium, are blocked by skin, while beta particles are blocked by the boots and battle dress utility uniform (BDUs) typically worn by service members. While gamma rays are a form of highly-penetrating energy , the amount of gamma radiation emitted by depleted uranium is very low. Thus, depleted uranium does not significantly add to the background radiation that we encounter every day.

When fired, or after "cooking off" in fires or explosions, the exposed depleted uranium rod poses an extremely low radiological threat as long as it remains BODY. Taken into the body via metal fragments or dust-like particles, depleted uranium may pose a LONG-TERM HEALTH CONSEQUENCES to personnel if the amount is large. However, the amount which remains in the body depends on a number of factors, including the amount inhaled or ingested, the particle size and the ability of the particles to dissolve in body fluids."

http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/faq_17apr.htm

13 BODY=OUT OF THE BODY

14 Man, I wish I got the Chrichton book for Christmas.

Instead, I received Richard Clarke's novel, The Scorpion's Gate. I opened it and randomly read one page which was predictably dominated by a leftie talking-point lecture being given by some muslim character to an American. I'm pretty sure that the book is going to be astonishingly terrible, but I'm gonna read it anyway.

If nothing else, the blog-fodder I'll get out of it in the form of my review should be worthwhile.

I'll order myself a copy of State of Fear to clear my brain with afterwards.

15 After all these good reviews, I've decided to go out and buy Michael Crichtons new book. It might just be a real winner.

I also have two books I suggest for Greg's reading enjoyment and enlightenment. I just finished reading 'The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam' by Robert Spencer and recommend it highly for Greg. The best book on the subject, however, is 'Jihad in the West' by Paul Fregosi, who happens to be French, so there is hope for Greg yet, if he will stop drinking the kool-aid and do some reading.

16 Yeah Graeme, you're dead wrong. Don't you know that DU, (and Jooooos), are the causes of everything from cancer down to hangnails? They are also the reason greg is a moron and has never known a woman in the Biblical sense.
On a more serious note, it scares the shit out of me that a certifiable idiot like greg has anything to do with research our government uses. He's probably giving secrets to our enemies, and if he were to disappear mysteriously, it wouldn't be a loss.

17 HOW THE FUCK DID WE END UP ON DU?

State Of Fear - good book!

18 Oh, I gets, I gets.
I've got babes hanging on my dong.
I eat so much pussy that my face looks like a glazed jelly doughnut.

Poor Impy has got to fuck the same hag over and over.
Is it any wonder that he has a propensity for violence?
That's what happens to the sexually unsatisfied.

I'm souced on Souza and bonding with my brother-in-law tonight. Last Christmas we nearly came to blows. He's not so bad after half a bottle of tequila.

I'm filled with the Christmas Spirit and other spirits as well.

Impy, I love you man. Come to Austin and I'll set you up with some nice, Yellow Roses of Texas. And I'll help you find out who Agent Smith is too.

All you circle jerk boys need to chill out and find the Spirit even if it's in a bottle. Seriously!

19 Crichton always does his research. I've made several posts based directly on the book, and on information from the book.

20 I've had the book for several months and just recently found the time to begin reading it. I've been watching, in addition to some other reading, a lot of Discovery channel-type shows on 'global warming' in the last few weeks and most neutral people will tell you that the earth constantly goes through cooling and warming trends and any warming trend that we MAY (or may not) be going through right now has not been impacted by anything man has done or even can do. The people that like to scream about global warming are those that that have millions of dollars worth of government grants or donations from the sheeple at stake. The lesson here is to always be leery of someone's opinion when that opinion is influenced by the money in their wallet. Organizations like the Sierra Club wouldn't exist if it weren't for scaring up the masses into donating millions to them. From what I've read, 'State of Fear' delves into the politics of separating people from their money by scaring them into believing in their cause. I bought it for that reason alone.

21 Some of you might not remember this, but back in the 70's there were several experts who warned against another ice age, and the NYT, Time, Newsweek, etc. all ran stories on the new ice age.

Shortly after this the nuclear winter theory came into vogue, and we were all hit with a new crop of silliness. Just wait long enough and who knows, an ice age is bound to be predicted, or isn't that what happens now with the 'New Global Superstorm' book that came out a couple of years ago. An ice age due to global warming, now that takes an imagination.

22 WE'RE DOOMED I TELL YA! DOOMED! DOOMED! DOOOOOMED!

Whatever happened to that cartoon caricature - the guy with the beard, robes, and sign "REPENT! THE END IS NEAR"! ..?

Too overtly religiously orientated for the New Age Eco Religionists I guess.

23 Agent Brown opines on fear and DU:

There once was a war for Arabians
That led to firing of lots of uraniums
The vets got sick and "Sam" went prick
And fear keeps yall smacked in the craniums.

24 Yall? Are you from the southern part of the Matrix, Mr. Smith?

25 I knew you guys would like Crightons work, the problem is there is scientific consensus that anthropogenic climate change is a reality and the world knows it. That is everyone but the right wing of the USA. I find it amazing that you forward the argument that scientists who study climate change and come up with the "wrong answers" are driven by funding. What you need to do is look at the vast resaerch on the subject and look into who funds the skeptics (oil and energy companies CATA).

AGain, scientific consensus folks, minus ER writers and oil funded scientists. The sad thing, and clapping hands for you, we wont do anything about it even though the poles are melting, insurance compnaies now say their property and casualty actuaries can no longer make accurate probabilities and we coninue to pump greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. This will be interesting.

ernie

26 ernie, watch out! The sky is falling!

27 Oyster

ernie's a pseudonym. If you look at the style and presentation you will notice a relatively distinct difference from the lil' ernie we all know and love.

Same mentality of course.

We're all doomed of course.

Think we should tell he/she/it about the trans-dimensional wormhole portal to Epsilon 3 - located just outside Crawford Tex and built by Haliburton (hugh cost over-run by the way) - Space Available Seating Only - all inquiries thru the Rove Travel Agency (number unlisted unless you know somebody).

Nnnnnaaaaaahhhhh!

28 Yeah, and there was scientific consensus on an ice age and nuclear winter and all that other liberal crap. I haven't seen either yet, and I doubt I ever will. The single most dangerous thing out there are diseases that have been rendered harmful by stupid liberal policies such as open borders and the forced sharing and misuse of antibiotics.

29 JJ

If you want to be serious about the disease thing -
DDT (lack of) is responsible for the deaths of approximately 3 million people (mostly children) every year.

Ask a liberal - and they will talk about egg shells.

30 Read this book when it first came out, couldn't put it down either. Friend had bought it and we exchange books all the time, I even asked it I could pass it to another friend.
The only bad part is this want make it to a movie because it tells the truth first of all and second it slams the Hollywood/Liberal elite. Glad to see it get some national expose even if it is on the blogs. Thanks!

31 Greg, I'd love to come to Austin, but only if I'm dying of cancer or something, and want to go out with a bang. The only thing a city full of filthy hippies is good for is a practice target for a tactical nuke.
But seriously, I don't get you man. You sound halfway intelligent sometimes, but then you start in on all your conspiracy crap, with Jooooooooos and DU and white phosphorous and so forth, and you go right off the damned map. Seriously, do you need medication or something? You might be surprised at what the world looks like from the side where Karl Rove isn't hiding in your bushes. I really don't like to see otherwise intelligent people wasting brain power on stuff like you come up with. Is your life that boring that your only hobby is conspiracy theories and the X-Files?
Look, you've got me all wrong. I'm not a "neocon", whatever the hell that is,like you said in your little posts about me on those leftard websites, (flattering in a weird sort of way, I must admit), and I'm not being paid by the Joooooos, who also do not live in your closet and manipulate the minutia of our lives and sprinkle DU and WP dust on you while you sleep, like some sort of demented sandman. If the Joooooos were so damned powerful, they wouldn't be getting suicide bombed by subhuman muslim scum all the time.
So stop flattering yourself that the neocons are out to get you, because there's nothing in your closet but your own skeletons. Get out and have fun, and try not to look over your shoulder.

32 I've only read one Crichton book in my life, called Timeline. Possibly the worst book ever published.

33 Greg,

DU is just more mythology the Left requires to stay afloat. And before you shut your mind off to the facts, keep reading.

According to a European Union study released in 2001, "most of the ingested DU (between 98% and 99.8%, depending on the solubility of the uranium compound) will be rapidly eliminated in the faeces." The vast majority of any remaining uranium will be "rapidly cleared from the blood" in a few weeks. Similarly, the majority of inhaled DU dust will also be cleared via the bloodstream and kidneys. The EU report concluded that "exposure to DU could not produce any detectable health effects under realistic assumptions of the doses that would be received."

http://www.reason.com/rb/rb032603.shtml

Aspirin is worse for you.

And three additional reports agree with the EU report. One from 2001 to the European Parliament compared exposures to DU to those experienced by uranium miners and concluded, "The fact that there is no evidence of an association between exposures—sometimes high and lasting since the beginning of the uranium industry—and health damages such as bone cancer, lymphatic or other forms of leukemia shows that these diseases as a consequence of an uranium exposure are either not present or very exceptional."

Also, the World Health Organization agrees that DU is not a great health risk. Its 2003 fact sheet on the topic declares that "because DU is only weakly radioactive, very large amounts of dust (on the order of grams) would have to be inhaled for the additional risk of lung cancer to be detectable in an exposed group. Risks for other radiation-induced cancers, including leukaemia, are considered to be very much lower than for lung cancer."

Another WHO report found, "The radiological hazard is likely to be very small. No increase of leukemia or other cancers has been established following exposure to uranium or DU."

This is all on the link I gave you.

34 Another gem in that belt for MICHEAL CHRICHTON i have alread seen THE ANDROMADA STRAIN several times and STATE OF FEAR should be great but no one in HOLLYWOOD will make it into a movie becuase it shows this whole idea of GLOBAL WARMING as a fruad of world wide preportions and make the usial celulous junk out of that stupid movie WATER WORLD with KEVIN KOSNER as some dopey fishman called MARINER who swam likea idiot and had dumb gills and his silly webbed hands and feet

35 Carlos,
I double dare you to snort some DU.
The stuff's great man, the European Union says so!
And it's ever so tasty.

36 Carlos,
I work with Phosphorus 32 and 33 on a daily basis. The half life of these isotopes is less than a month. They only emit beta particles, whereas DU emits Alpha, Beta and Gamma. I treat Phosphorus isotopes with kid gloves, literally. Read the Univ. of Texas Radiation Safety regulations.
http://www.utexas.edu/safety/ehs/radiation/Radiation%20Safety%20Manual%20(3-28-05).pdf

Only an idiot would take this shit lightly. 99.8% clearance isn’t good enough. The remainder stays with you for the rest of your life.


“Depleted uranium remains radioactive for literally billions of years, and over these long periods of time it will continue to produce all of its radioactive decay products; thus depleted uranium actually becomes more radioactive as the centuries and millennia go by because these decay products accumulate.”

http://www.ccnr.org/decay_U238.html

And then there is Governmentium…
NEW ELEMENT FOUND!
The recent hurricanes and skyrocketing oil and gasoline prices helped to prove the existence of a new element. In early October 2005, a major research institution announced the discovery of the heaviest element yet known to science. The new element has been named "Governmentium."
Governmentium (Gv) has one neutron, 25 assistant neutrons, 88 deputy neutrons, and 198 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 312. These 312 particles are held together by forces called 'morons' which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called 'peons.' Since Gv has no electrons, it is inert. However, it can be detected, because it impedes every reaction with which it comes into contact. A minute amount of Gv causes one reaction to take over four days to complete, when it would normally take less than a second!
Gv has a normal half-life of 4 years; it does not decay; but instead undergoes a reorganization in which a portion of the assistant neutrons and deputy neutrons exchange places. In fact,Governmentium's mass will actually increase over time, since each reorganization will cause more morons to become neutrons, forming 'isodopes.' This characteristic of moron promotion leads most scientists to believe that Gv is formed whenever morons reach a certain quantity in concentration. This hypothetical quantity is referred to as 'Critical Morass.'
When catalyzed with money, Gv becomes "Administratium' (Am) - an element which radiates just as much energy as Gv, since it has half as many peons but twice as many morons.

37 greg,

I wouldn't snort DU anymore than I'd snort common dustballs under my bed. Nor would I be anymore concerned about it.

It's a moonbat myth. End of story.

38 Carlos:"end of story"

Carlos,
Are you serious? You are an idiot.

The story is still developing and the military is spending millions of $s funding studies on the health consequences of DU, as we speak.

Here is just one of the many SBIR solicitations on the topic from the Dept. of Defense.
http://www.dodsbir.net/sitis/archives_display_topic.asp?Bookmark=19962

As usual, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

39 Greg,

the EU studies are funded by "the military"? lmao!

moonbat myths die hard.

40 I referring to OUR military, the U.S. Dept. of Defense.
Read the fucking solicitation for your lazy-ass self.
Of course you know that and are playing stupid.

41 lol! funny. Yes, I know the Pentagon has given mixed signals about it to date. Which, together with the European studies, hardly puts this into the hysteria category you moonbats put it in.

Final analysis: mixed signals from the Pentagon, and clean bill of health from the EU = moonbat hysteria (so what else is new).

42 Carlos,
This is a first. You have placed the EU's conclusions ahead of the U.S. Department of Defense's, which is still actively investigating the health consequences of DU and has yet to make any definitive conclusion.

It is you, who is the moonbat.

43 Greg,

I could say the same thing about you and the Pentagon. But I don't, because evidence "against interest" is always admissible in the courtroom.

44 Does anyone else get the suspicion that greg is a possible traitor? Maybe Rusty should forward his info on to the FBI? I don't really like the thought of a hysterical, batshit crazy leftard working as a government funded scientist, or even a pizza delivery man, as is more likely the case. I'd be much happier to give them all new jobs, digging and residing in mass graves, since they seem to think they're okay for other people and all...

45 Carlos,
What about the Pentagon? Be specific.

46 Agent Smith asks, who is Greg?

47 I, like millions of people all over the world, am a small fish (sturgeon) in a quest toward a better understanding of the Great Betrayal.

48 Agent Smith says that Greg is a podling worthy of respect. Uranium has contaminated whole crops and that has angered The Architect.

Agent Jones says Greg does not show up under system searches, as he is moving in multiple locations at the same time.

Agent Brown says that he has seen "Blinky", the three-eyed fish.

49 >>>Uranium has contaminated whole crops and that has angered The Architect.

uh, there's a reason why it's called DEPLETED uranium, and not just uranium. But I understand, moonbat myths will die hard. Your shaky worldview needs myths, just as it needs to explain away the cold hard facts.

50 Yikes, did we all read the same book!!?? I bought this at the CVS Christmas Eve and got halfway through with great difficulty. At that point I refused to go further. For a writer of Crighton's experience it is criminal to have spent so little effort on making the characterizations and situations more plausible. That a seasoned para-military would put civilians in harms way time and time again and that said civilians would fare as well as the characters in SOF do is utterly, utterly implausible. I resumed SOF after New Years and I am closing in on the end still no more believing of the science despite footnotes.

Obviously the science can go either way but this novel is made for Hollywood and there is where it will really do damage. Mr. Crighton (sp) is looking very much to me like a tool of the status quo who want some positive propaganda for their live for today policies. I was actually looking for some other opinions on SOF before I tried to find a way to find a way to communicate with Crighton and ask him directly what the #$%@# was up. That was very bad writing. There is no way other way to say it. Shrill, and over the top with characterizations from the pulp fanzines of the '40's. I'm betting that I'm a good 20 years or so older than many of the positive reviewers and I hope you don't suffer too badly as a result of what is going down because I have kids even younger than you but I don't know, I really don't know.

H

51 Read the eBook (I like eBooks). Good: Being able to "Pop-up video" the footnotes. Bad: Having to enlarge the charts. It was quite well-researched.

Would a bunch of moonbats set off an unnatural "natural disaster" to make a point, as they try to in the book? Ohh, yeah.

Currently reading (or rereading):

Blind Spot (A history of US counterterrorism efforts)

S is for Silence (Sue Grafton)

A whole heap of textbooks (I have 8 classes (23 credits) this semester you guys X_x)

The Honor Harrington series (One of my personal fave series)

1 I talked a little bit about the disaster scenario for New Orleans earlier today. Up to 100,000 people could be dead by this time tomorrow, and New Orleans could be uninhabitable for weeks, maybe months.

2 Brian Williams in broadcasting live from NO. Is it bad to hope he gets washed out to sea?

3 My Hurricane Katrina map:

http://southernbyblog.blog-city.com/hurricane_katrinared_states_prepare_for_wrath.htm

4 Let it skip New Orleans and focus on Geyrooster and the kkk.

5 The Big Easy will need a Big Squeegee

6 Gasoline is gonna kill me now. My car is totally empty. I have no money in my wallet. Got paid Friday but my bank is no longer open on Saturdays.

I now have no money to fill my tank to get to work. Looks like I'm walkin this morning. Maybe I'll get to post another comment here in like two hours.

7 Apparently it is not as bad as what was thought. A last minute eastward movement and a quicker than expected weakening of the storm is going to keep things to less than epic proportions.

8 Awww, my consecutive post record... Damn you Demosophist or whoever edits this stuff.