British Islamists to Protest Six Arrested Terrorists
Remember, the last time the followers of Omar Bakri Mohammed organized a London protest, they vocally called for the Pope's death and carried signs reading, among other things, "Islam will conquer Rome". These are also the same guys who organized the Danish embassy protest, over the Mohammed cartoons, and were seen carrying signs that read "Behead those who insult Islam."
The call for Friday's protest came at a password protected website used by the six men who were arrested on Monday for encouraging terrorist acts and raising funds for terrorism abroad.
London police should be prepared and hopefully we can get some people videotaping the event. Generally, what they say is far worse than the signs they carry.
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now if Brits had any brains, they would arrest anyone who would show up to that demonstration near the police station. Deport them all or better yet hang for treason.
Posted by: Kamchatka Bear at April 25, 2007 03:43 PM (gtZwa)
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The UK and The US are now paying for allowing these people into our countries. The largest influx of Islamic people into our country came in the late 70's early 80's and has not slowed down. Many refuse to understand the fact that a major portion of these people are here for one reason, and that is not to live peacfully side by side with us. They are either hard line fascists or sympathetic to the Jihad cause and they live next door to you and I and have Mosques built in our neighborhoods. Political Correctness will be the downfall of us and other nations. Islam will not stop. If we had any BALLS we would gather and go to these protests and beat the living SH** out of every last one of these cowards with their faces covered up.
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There is but one cure for islam and that is the slaughter of every arab man, woman, and child. Not a single arab or persian must remain on this planet or we will have lost the war on terror and our freedom.
Posted by: Alan Jay Robertson at April 25, 2007 04:11 PM (DCZ7U)
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I disagree Alan. Arabs as a race are not the problem, Islam is. Islam does something to people's brains...
Posted by: Kamchatka Bear at April 25, 2007 04:16 PM (gtZwa)
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arabs have been proven to be subhuman time and time again from the bible to science texts. not to mention it was filthy arabs who created islam in the first place.
get rid of both of them, world problems solved.
Posted by: Alan Jay Robertson at April 25, 2007 04:21 PM (DCZ7U)
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I posted this at 910 Group. Maybe some of them can attend.
Posted by: Kafir at April 25, 2007 04:51 PM (HsmTD)
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Alan Jay Robertson - you make a really lame sock puppet. However, if these are truly your feelings on the subject, you have just proven yourself to be as 'subhuman' as the very people you disparage.
Either way, you're not to be taken seriously.
Posted by: Kafir at April 25, 2007 04:54 PM (HsmTD)
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with a name like Kafir i can only imagine what terrorist cell you belong to.
Posted by: Alan Jay Robertson at April 25, 2007 04:56 PM (DCZ7U)
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Alan are you trying to sock puppet here so that later you can claim that this site is racist? if so it's pretty pathetic, if not let me repeat... arabs as a race are not the problem, Islam is. Evidence? look at people from other races that had converted to Islam. They became just as nasty. Islam releases everything wicked in a man by giving him an excuse that it's all in the name of god.
Posted by: Kamchatka Bear at April 25, 2007 05:15 PM (gtZwa)
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According to wikipedia figures released by the British Home Office show that a total of 1,126 people were arrested under the Terrorism Act of 2000 (period 9/11/01 and 12/31/2005)
Of those 1.126 arrested 221 were charged with terrorism offences (20%). Of those 221 arrested 40 were convicted (4%).
The large amount of arrests makes for good tabloid reading sort of like the Duke 3 case.
Posted by: John Ryan at April 25, 2007 05:22 PM (TcoRJ)
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Here is the wiki link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_Act_2000
Posted by: John Ryan at April 25, 2007 05:25 PM (TcoRJ)
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between John Ryan and Greyrooster, and now John Allen......
Serenity now. Serenity now. Serenity now.
Posted by: Rusty at April 25, 2007 05:39 PM (JQjhA)
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I will chime in on this and say "HeeHaw" wasnt really that funny. John Ryan how about them apples heh?
Posted by: Michael Weaver at April 25, 2007 06:59 PM (2OHpj)
15There is but one cure for islam and that is the slaughter of every arab
man, woman, and child. Not a single arab or persian must remain on
this planet or we will have lost the war on terror and our freedom.
This is the exact same phraseology that this troll uses over and over but with a different name every time.
John...I thought you said you were leaving. Bye.
Posted by: Randman at April 25, 2007 10:10 PM (Sal3J)
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Alan Jay Robertson: Your as fucked up as the fucking terrorists.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 25, 2007 10:18 PM (yp+ZO)
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Rusty: I've never thought you were very bright. Putting me in with John Ryan and Alan Jay shows how right I am. Dumb fuck. Go back to kissing muslim ass and leave the real men out of your light in the loafers thoughts. Friggin academic meathead muslim hugger.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 25, 2007 10:21 PM (yp+ZO)
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'Insulting Islam' is such a nebulous term. And, in reality, all one needs to do in order to 'insult' it is to...mention it. Or if not, talk about it a bit, truthfully. It'd be like somebody talking about a malignant tumor that metastatises fast and is near-100% fatal and then somebody saying, 'Hey, stop insulting cancer.'
Islam will conquer Rome eh? Well then I guess we should go and protect Rome. Of course, in reality we don't need to protect Rome. Islam couldn't even manage it 800-odd years ago, when it had the distinct advantage. The so-called 'Islamic Golden Age' otherwise known as the Dark Ages.
We were willing to let Islam share in the progress and prosperity of the West - as we are with anybody - but when it starts to get uppity, ungrateful and downright hateful, then we're going to have to smack it around a bit. Afterall, how will it learn otherwise? Make no mistake about it: we lose nothing whatsoever by not having Islam here. In fact we'd gain a great deal, but that's another argument entirely.
Anyway, if I wasn't so far away from London and so wary of mental patients, I'd go and film these weird, hate-filled saps, i.e. do my bit. No doubt some concerned citizen will. And more power to them. Hopefully this'll lead to further arrests, convictions etc., and then, after it gets to a certain point, we can think about repealing the rule about sending violent Islamic criminals back to whatever backward, medieval shithole it was that they managed to crawl away from, for fear of their human rights being breached.
Nobody is condoning genocide. That'd make us no better than the very people we take issue with. But I don't think there's any doubt that Islam is something that should be challenged constantly. And if that's what it takes, then that's what it takes.
Posted by: Infidelsalwayswin at April 26, 2007 03:03 AM (DQiL7)
Posted by: greyrooster at April 26, 2007 08:31 AM (jmD0W)
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If Rusty would take off his high heels and tutu he could think better.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 26, 2007 08:33 AM (jmD0W)
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oh i'm sure there is a nice Arab somewhere, it just might take a while to find him.
Posted by: rob at April 26, 2007 12:38 PM (QpkBe)
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Picture the wacko carrying that sign with the crosshairs of a snipper rifle on his forehead
Posted by: sandpiper at April 30, 2007 04:49 PM (lIqve)
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I hope this site doesn't represent the thoughts and views of the majority in the UK. Islam is the not the problem, neither are the Muslims. There are nasty, horrible people in this world, some of them belong to Islam, some of them are Muslims, BUT some of them are also Christians, Catholics, Atheists, some of them use their faith, or lack of it, as an excuse to vent their cruelty on others and to the world, some of them don't need an excuse. The bottom line is that there are bad people who taint the image of others in their family, cult, religion, team, group whatever. We need to understand this before we can consider action against the real guilty parties.
Named: Six Terror Suspects Arrested in UK Raid
The list of the six Muslims arrested by British police yesterday. No one else, not even The New York Times, has this list
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Jawa Celebration: Abu Izzadeen & 5 Others Arrested in Terror Ring
How we had the evidence on Izzadeen before he was arrested below.
UPDATEEXCLUSIVE: An Islamist forum connected with Omar Bakri Mohammed, and previously exposed here at The Jawa Report, has listed the names of the six terror suspects arrested today. Many of the names seemed mispelled, but here is how the forum listed them:
Abu Izzadeen from London
Abdul Haqq from London
Sulayman Keeler from London
Abu Muwaheed from London
Omar Zaheer from west London
Rajib Jhan (Khan) from Luton
All are followers of radical exiled clerica Omar Bakri Mohammed. The message also claimed those arrested were "victims of the British crusade", urged Muslims to pray for their release, and prayed that Allah would curse the kuffar (unbeliever).
Another update: Is Abdul Haqq the Abdul Haqq Baker who is the head of the Brixton Mosque in South London where Richard Reid once attended?
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Abu Izzadeen, a regular target of the Jawa Report's ire, has been arrested---again. Five others were arrested with him.
Normally I'm happy whenever we take jihad supporters off the street. Today I don't think happy really describes how I'm feeling. More like ecstatic.
How come? Because I've been on a bit of a crusade against the followers of Omar Bakri Mohammed for some time now and it looks like it's finally bearing some fruit. Sure, Izadeen was arrested once before, but this time it seems more serious. This time the charge includes fund raising for terrorists.
Oh, and this time I saw some of the evidence being used against Izzadeen before he was arrested. How is this possible? Well I can reveal that one of the informers behind the case is a friend, Glen Jenvey. Glen met with authorities a few weeks ago and passed along the videos and other information to them.
Six men have been arrested on suspicion of incitement offences by anti-terror officers from the Metropolitan Police.
They include Abu Izzadeen, also known as Omar Brooks, who made headlines when he heckled Home Secretary John Reid at an event last year.
Five arrests took place in London and the sixth in Luton, Bedfordshire.
Scotland Yard said the arrests related to allegations of inciting others to commit acts of terrorism abroad and fund-raising for terrorists.
The BBC understands that the arrests are connected to an alleged incident at a mosque in 2004. The men were taken to an unnamed police station in central London.
The BBC understands that among the six arrested is Rajib Khan, a 28-year-old man from Luton.
The other men arrested are a 24-year-old, 35-year-old and 21-year-old, all from parts of East London, and a 27-year-old from Southall in the west of the capital.
You'll remember that the 7/7 bombing ringleader was Sadiq Khan and that on the morning of 7/7 Khan and three accomplices boarded the train at the Luton station on his way to London to commit mass-murder.
Since Rajib Khan was picked up in Luton, could he be a relative of Sadiq Khan?
Allahpundit has two Izadeen videos up. Both of them are from Glen Jenvey and one of them premiered right here on The Jawa Report.
Jenvey just has tons of videos and audios of Izzadeen and other followers of Bakri Mohammed doing all sorts of stuff: praising terrorists, urging the death penalty for gays, inciting Muslims to kill the police, and even urging Muslims to give money to al Qaeda.
He also tells me that one of the men arrested is shown in this video. His name is something like "Keyla". Update: His name is Sulayman Keeler.
To be honest, Glen has sent me so much evidence that Abu Izadeen and the other al Muhajiroun goons, such as Anjem Choudary, are in bed with al Qaeda that I haven't linked 1/10th of it. It seemed literally pointless to point out the obvious anymore.
A month ago, after Glen sent me a link, I told him, "The thing is, don't you think he's pretty much exposed by now? I'm guessing your intel and police would love to get their hands on him." And guess what? They did.
And since Glen has been kind enough to keep me "in the loop", I would be remiss in not mentioning the book War of the Web: Fighting the Online Jihad which recounts Glen's involvement in the arrest of Abu Hamza and others.
All of these videos were originally set to "private" on YouTube and sent to me, but Glen had to change that setting to "public" once we started posting them. There are 55 videos in all, but we've only posted a handful here to this date.
For instance, here is a video of one of Abu Izzadeen's friends [update: this is of Abu Muwaheed, arrested today] urging Muslims to give money to terrorists. In it, he says, "Teach your children from a young age to spend money for the sake of Allah. To give money to the mujahidin." Then he breaks into Arabic but one word is apparent: Osama bin Laden. In the context of the speech he is giving it is clear he is urging people to give money to al Qaeda.
Video of arrested terror suspect Muwaheed below.
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Posted by: Good Lt at April 24, 2007 10:46 AM (yMbfY)
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I said we needed a category. To be fair, Vinnie named the category.
Posted by: Howie at April 24, 2007 10:51 AM (YHZAl)
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Oh, and F*ck Yeah!!!!! Seriously this guy Izadeen is the most arrogant prick. I hope the Brits get a good judge and he rots.
Posted by: Howie at April 24, 2007 10:52 AM (YHZAl)
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Call me a cynic, but I forsee the brits letting these mooks go, rather than taking them out on Dartmoor and sinking them in a mire as they should.
Posted by: mojo at April 24, 2007 11:48 AM (g1cNf)
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Now if they cna just arrest the remaining millions of fascist to sympathetic muslims in the UK.
Posted by: Todd at April 24, 2007 11:58 AM (ap9Ut)
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Sure they arrested them "again" then like the Palistinians who arrest terrorist the Brits will just let them go.
Posted by: Barry at April 24, 2007 12:01 PM (cl1Cf)
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I remember watching the news conference where John Reed, British Home Secretary, was attempting to reach out to the British Muslim community - a pointless gesture as anybody could've told him - and this loudmouth motherfucker, Izzadeen, who praised the London Suicide Bombers amongst other things, began shouting down Reed as he was making his speech, and calling him an 'enemy of Islam' (well duh - that just makes him not insane...) and so on. And I thought to myself, how is it that Reid can contain himself enough not to hop over the podium and beat the shit out of this guy? But now, several months later, he's been arrested in some anti-terrorism raids, and it makes sense. Why throw your career away, by stoving some belligerent shitheel's teeth in, when you can have him nailed legally? Which gets me thinking that Izzadeen, apart from being a lowlife piece of effluent of the highest order, i.e. an Islamic extremist, must also be as dumb as a box of crayons if he thought the authorities weren't going to pay special attention to him after he publicly ridiculed the de facto head of the police force in such a way. Hopefully they'll get convicted and put away fro a very, very long time. The only problem being is that the taxpayer will have to foot the cost of these people's (and I use the term in its loosest sense) upkeep, which'll probably be significantly more than footing the cost of their upkeep, via benefits - which they ungraciously grab whilst simultaneously advocating the genocide us all - in the outside world. Still, it beats having them walking around as free men, thinking up ways to violently kill us, I suppose. Nuclear-powered, psychotic-AI-governed prison ships for the win...
Posted by: Infidelsalwayswin at April 24, 2007 12:29 PM (zyFYz)
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Infidelsalwayswin: "only problem being is that the taxpayer will have to foot the cost of these people"
but the brit taxpayers already were. That's part of the Islamist strategy. Move to a welfare state and draw draw draw. the more wives and kids the better. Helps bankrupt the infidels and they don't have to work. Like they ever did anyway.
Posted by: Howie at April 24, 2007 12:45 PM (YHZAl)
Yeah, it's all part of the 20-year-(or however long it takes; never hopefully) plan to submit us to the will of Alan.
Thank God for Glen Jenvy, whoever he is. It's nice to know there are people of his calibre, i.e. people with a spine, still around. If you're reading this by any chance Glen, thanks - don't let the bastards grind you down.
Posted by: Infidelsalwayswin at April 24, 2007 01:24 PM (zyFYz)
Ye Gods! I spelt John Reid's name wrong. Boy is my face red...
Eh, anywho, the point still stands. And I didn't mean to suggest that Mr. Shackleford doesn't deserve plaudits too. He does, naturally - lots of them. Chalk this one up as a victory for good old common sense. Good stuff.
Posted by: Infidelsalwayswin at April 24, 2007 02:23 PM (zyFYz)
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Great work Rusty and also much thanks to Glen Jenvy. BTW, those stupid websites are still up on wordpress. I haven't had a chance but I will use the updated contact info you gave Rusty. After this they should be a piece of cake?...maybe...
Posted by: allahakchew at April 24, 2007 03:42 PM (BrndJ)
Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at April 24, 2007 05:52 PM (zc0ER)
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Rusty bows, again. Let the death threats and fatwas begin!
Posted by: Rusty at April 24, 2007 06:10 PM (JQjhA)
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Rusty is like the Hercules of anti-terror blogging! I knew I wasn't hangin around here for the bantha fodder! Over and Over again, the Force is strong with him! May his hyperdrive never fail! May his 'Kessel Run' always be less than 12 parsecs! May history never forget! USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at April 24, 2007 07:54 PM (2OHpj)
An anti-war rally by followers of the radical Islamist group Hizb ut-Tahrir in London on August 19th. The group supports the establishment of a global caliphate and the imposition of sharia laws such as Muhammed's mandate to kill apostates. Moonbat media has the photo essay of these supporters of evil.
7/7 London Bombing Conspirators Charged
It's official, three men from Leeds have been formally charged as co-conspirators in the 7/7 London bombings which killed 52. The three are the first to be charged in that attrocity.
Britain charged three men Thursday with allegedly helping the four suicide bombers in the July 7, 2005, attacks on London's transit system that killed 52 passengers.....
The three — Mohammed Shakil, 30, Shipon Ullah, 23, and Sadeer Saleem, 26 — were charged with conspiracy to cause explosions on transport or at tourist attractions that could endanger life or cause serious harm.
Susan Hemming, head of the Counter Terrorism Division of the Crown Prosecution Service, said that the three men are accused of being "involved in the reconnaissance and planning for a plot with those ultimately responsible for the bombings."
Posted by: greyrooster at April 02, 2007 09:22 PM (9nRcM)
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And just what the hell are they confessing to. Are all of them navigators? All of them steering the ship? Catching pigfish?
Posted by: greyrooster at April 02, 2007 09:23 PM (9nRcM)
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These "soldiers" had sophisticated navigation equipment that is fully capable of keeping them where they are supposed to be. They were intercepting a vessel on a predictable course to inspect it and under the command of an even more sophisticated ship that tracked them carefully.
They knew where they were. Would they really have entered Iran without being prepared? And how did Iran know they were going to enter Iran? They must have planned this ambush out very carefully, am I to believe that the Brits really entered coincidentally at this time (and at the time that the Iranian president just happened to make world-wide news for his UN inbroglio?
Also, we know the Iranians are not honest about anything. They said they had to nuclear program, then they announced that they did. They lied about the holocaust, and they routinely mistreated their prisoners in 1979. not to mention, many Iranians hate the British more than they hate the USA.
Anyone who believes that these sailors were not coerced into saying what they are saying -knowing how unlikely it is that the Brits did this and knowing how ruthless the Iranians are being right now in Iraq- is a fool.
I don't know if they were tortured or drugged or starved. I have no idea waht kind of threats are being made to them. We will find out. I wish these sailors would find a way to show the world that they were under duress, because sadly many people are actually buying this crap. Look at the Pueblo, and how those tortured souls managed only subtle signs of duress. It's harder than it seems in the imagination.
Anyway, we obviously can never negotiate with Iran. They are violating their geneva treaty obligations writ large, and we'd be a fool to bother with any other treaties or payoffs. They will break their end, every time.
Posted by: Dustin at April 02, 2007 11:23 PM (vrIec)
Posted by: greyrooster at April 02, 2007 11:23 PM (9nRcM)
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I don't know what the British military code provides, but basically
every country has a "name, rank, serial number, birthday" limit one
what POWs are to say. Cooperating with the enemy, and participation in
their propaganda is disgusting, cowardly, and disgraceful. If you aren't willing to at least take a beating before laughing it up on camera, you deserve one hell of beating when you come home.
The only one of the troops who should be doing any talking would be the ranking officer. Every other member who appeared on one of these videos should be courtmartialed and jailed for several years. Especially the cunt. The death penalty - for treason - should be an available option at the courtmartial.
If the British aren't willing to step up and show some backbone, I have no use for that nation of limpwristed limeys.
Posted by: wooga at April 02, 2007 11:28 PM (2YapR)
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"If you aren't willing to at least take a beating" Well I do know you can torture someone and cover the marks with clothing, and you can also gain a measure of compliance with drugs. Additionally, drugged victims may exibit inappropriate emotion, such as laughing, when under stress. Further, any decent villain will threaten the well being of others in the team, to try and coerce the response they desire. Likely they are kept seperate from each other when not on camera, to add to thier stress, and reduce thier co-operative resistence. So I'm going to believe they are doing thier best.
Everyone has a weak spot, and we don't know what they were subjected to. USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at April 03, 2007 12:49 AM (2OHpj)
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No offense, but it's easy to talk tough about 'resistance' when your not there. This isn't a 'chickenhawk' attack. I'm saying you don't know where your own breaking point is, unless you have been driven to it. Anyone who hasn't experieced it, can really know what it is like. There are people who are experts in getting you to that point. If you survive it once, it can make you stronger the next time, or it can break you for good. Each according to thier ability.
USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at April 03, 2007 12:57 AM (2OHpj)
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If it turns out they were drugged up (which is entirely plausible), then they could be let off the hook. I'd gladly eat crow in that situation. It just doesn't look to me like they are on anything, and no matter how cleverly the Iranians edit the footage, the POWs are still cooperating way too much.
If they weren't willing to make the sacrifice, they should not have entered the military. Being a marine means you may die. There is no room in the marines for someone who puts their own hide above their country. The claims that there was "a gun off camera" means nothing to me - a gun should not be enough to get a marine to betray his country.
We have men like McCain who suffered years of torture as a POW, and still refused to join in enemy propaganda films. These limeys broke in a matter of hours!
Posted by: wooga at April 03, 2007 02:10 AM (2YapR)
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I'm sympathetic Wooga, I just feel if we don't know the circumstances, it would be polite to extend them the beneift of the doubt. McCain's story is one of the reasons I cut him so much slack regarding the details of his politics. USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at April 03, 2007 02:23 AM (2OHpj)
Now I'm thinking of that 'Bond' flick, wasn't it "Die Another Day!"? Admittedly, 'Bond' is sort of a superhero, but we still expect our troops to hold out, like in the movies. I know it does happen, and the real heroes can't just go to thier trailer after the 'torture' is concluded. I wish we could just blast the Mullahs to pieces and move on. USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at April 03, 2007 02:28 AM (2OHpj)
(Mashallah, an auto-parts trader who spent seven years in prison after his involvement in leftist activities at the beginning of the 1979 Iranian Revolution, says he can guess what the 15 British marines and sailors may be experiencing.
"This government is expert at psychological pressure," he says, analyzing the performance of the British detainees who have been seen here on videotapes released to the media.
"They may have put them in isolation for two days before their first confession and told them that if you don't apologize, Britain and Iran may go to war," he speculates.)
Derb said it perfectly: The only coherent response I get to these sentiments is: "How do you
know what they've been through? How would YOU stand up?" To which the
obvious reply is the one Dr. Johnson gave in some similar case: "I may
criticize a carpenter who makes me a bad table, though I cannot make a
table myself. It is not my job to make tables." It is the job of a
Royal Marine to fight, and if necessary suffer and die, for his
country. They know that when they go in. It's what they are told!
I nurse a quiet hope that if put to the test, I would stand up as well
as any Marine. Whether or not I would, however, is irrelevant. Whether
or not I could stand up well to torture, I expect Marines to.
Posted by: wooga at April 03, 2007 12:34 PM (t9sT5)
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"I expect Marines to" As do I. We do agree on quite a bit here, I'm just not ready to say they are wusies, yet. USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at April 03, 2007 07:17 PM (2OHpj)
Three Arrested in 7/7 Bombings
More arrests in the London 7/7 bombings today. 7/7 has been called the U.K.'s 9/11. 52 passengers on various public transportaion lines in London were murdered on that day by Muslims inpired by al Qaeda. Police in Britain believe that al Qaeda may have been involved in both the planning and funding of the mass murder.
Three men were today arrested in connection with the July 7 London bombings, which killed 52 commuters on the capital's public transport system.
In the first significant arrests since the 2005 suicide attacks, two men, aged 23 and 30, were detained shortly before 1pm at Manchester airport, where they were due to catch a flight to Pakistan.
A third man, aged 26, was arrested at a house in Leeds shortly after 4pm...
It is understood the three arrested men are from Leeds. The property being searched in Colwyn Rd is on the same street as the house where Tanweer lived with his parents, who worked in a fish and chip shop.
Allah reminds us that there had previously been a link between the 7/7 bomb plotters and Leeds. You'll recall that Magdi El-Nashar had been 'detained' in Egypt in July of last year [pictured above right]. Authories found the substance TATP in Magdy al-Nashar's Leeds apartment, but he claimed the explosive 'wasn't his'. He was a professor at Leed's University. Interesting fact about Magdi El-Nasher: He spent a semester at North Carolina University in grad school studying biochemistry.
On a related note, in a British court today Manfo Asiedu, who was arrested two weeks after the 7/7 bombings, claimed that he had planned an attack which would be "bigger and better" than the transit system bombings. He's radically changed his defense from 'it was all a joke, we're victims of Islamophobia' to 'we were planning to blow up an apartment complex'. Apparently he's pointing the finger at another defendant at the trial, Muktar Said Ibrahim, as the ringleader. UPDATE: LGF has video here.
Allah also reminds readers of how 7/7 got to Abu Izzadeen's funny bone. And since we just ran a video of Abu Izzadeen a few days ago, you might want to go check out his sermon on Islam=terrorism. Be sure to wait til he begins justifying the beheading of Paul Johnson by the 'mujahidin'.
I have a friend in Britain who swears that if Izzadeen wasn't personally involved in the 7/7 attacks, then it was at least inspired by his mentor, Omar Bakri Mohammed. Here is a a video of Bakri Muhammed extolling the virtues of al Qaeda, shortly before the 7/7 bombings.
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While my heart of heart wants to holler "w00t!"...I know this is going to be distorted by the conspiracy theorists, who want to blame those in power, and the Mulim contingent, who wants to somehow blame the Jooooooooo.
I miss the days when such evidence used to mean something.
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I'm sure at this moment hordes of politically correct/pink/commie/liberals are haranguing the Scotland trying to portray the arrested terrorists as "innocent victims of racial profiling".
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at March 22, 2007 05:15 PM (j97MF)
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Fitting punishment would be to put them on a plane on autopilot. At 35,00 feet run out of fuel. Let them know what it feels like. Maybe, give them cell phones so they can talk to their families before crashing.
Posted by: greyrooster at March 22, 2007 08:14 PM (jNRRK)
New MPJ Category!
That’s right! In our quest to totally foul up TJR while Rusty is on vacation, Vinnie and I have added a new category. While working on this email a terrorist thread I noticed just how much stuff we have on Omar Bakri Muhammad.
Omar is a radical cleric who has been linked to al-Qaeda and other terror organizations and plots.
When compiling these I have to get the post title and then google that to get the url, quite a pain in the arse. So, to make my life easier, our Editor in Chief, Vinnie added a new category for me. Without further delay I present to you the new category:
Great name huh? I figure it goes right along with the spirit and intent of MPJ. It will take some time to get all the posts moved under that category. Maybe forever, but until that time we will work diligently to accumulate all the posts on old goat humper into this one place. I’ve added a few already. You can access MPJ categories on the left sidebar.
The same server that contains Omar, The Goat Humping, Bakri Muhammad’s website also contains a number of Jihadi forums and websites. It has encryption, encryption hacking, hack tools, DDOS, various other worms and virus sites and a porn site. It is the remnants of a former ISP that specialized in carrying Jihadi websites and information. One of the websites was a favorite of the Madrid bombers.
I’m sure many of our British readers will be interested to know the same spew that resulted in the tube attacks is still being broadcast over the internet from Britain.
I’m not posting all the URLs for the sites due to the malicious software sites. But I can send them by request. I’ll try and keep you updated as best I can.
Hopefully these sites can be taken down and this provider found and prosecuted.
As a reminder of what the purpose of these sites are, here is a video of Omar, The Goat Humping, Bakri Muhammad talking about the UBL and the 7/7 London attacks before they happened.
Bakri is a menace to society. Why he is allowed to preach his garbage whilst living on the British taxpayer is unbelievable. I will be voting BNP in the next election as will many of my friends. We are just average Brits who have had enough of these muslims taking the piss in our country.
In some ways we are wasting our time fighting in Iraq, the war should begin here at home by putting these arrogant muslims bastards in their place.
Posted by: Jester at March 14, 2007 02:34 PM (iwtIO)
The idea is to get it high enough on google that when the bastard looks himself up (trust me he will, his ego is too big not top) he or his followers find this.
Posted by: Howie at March 14, 2007 05:02 PM (YHZAl)
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Nice idea Howie. The hate speech on his site towards "infidels" is surely enough to have him arrested under UK law....well maybe not as most UK law protects everyone except white folk.
Posted by: Jester at March 14, 2007 05:55 PM (iwtIO)
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Oh you racist you. Don't you know better than to tell the truth. You are now branded a Nazi, racist, KKK'r, bigot and perhaps even a Republican.
Posted by: greyrooster at March 14, 2007 06:15 PM (W7E9s)
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Greyrooster. Check out Omar Bakri Dipshit's site if you want to see one ugly muslim sonofabitch.
Posted by: Jester at March 14, 2007 06:20 PM (iwtIO)
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I'm going to start a collection of ugly muslim inman pictures. Damn, I sitting here opeining my mail and I just got a check from Coastal Electric for $500.00. Says it's for a Comfort Advantage Retrofit. What the hell is that? I'd better not ask.
Posted by: greyrooster at March 14, 2007 07:27 PM (W7E9s)
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The email a terrorist thread that this post updated is #1 on google news and # 10 on google. I linked it back to this one. Yeeehaaa !!!!
Posted by: Darth Odie at March 14, 2007 10:08 PM (YHZAl)
Video: British Muslim Praises & Laughs at 9/11
In this video a follower of Omar Bakri Mohammed laughs about 9/11. I mean really laughs. He seems to think of the greatest act of terrorism in U.S. history as a side-splittingly good time.
You'll also notice that he compares the hijacked planes several times to "when pigs fly". He says they use the same term in Arabic. I'm not sure whether he's referring to the passengers murdered on that day as pigs or whether he's simply using the phrase to make the point that September 11th was the long awaited, and unexptected by many, day when Muslims finally rose up and gave America its up-and-comings. My gut feeling is that he means it in both ways, but the thick accent makes it difficult to really follow him.
In any event, there is one thing that he gets right: 9/11 was a day when pigs were flying. But the pigs were the hijackers and mass murdering followers of al Qaeda. The biggest pig of all was Mohammed Atta.
Can any one identify the man in the video? Glen Jenvey identifies him as an "al Qaeda member", but I'd say it was more accurate to call him an "al Qaeda sympathizer". What I do know for sure is that he's a follower of Omar Bakri Mohammed. And a pig.
Exit question: Does Allah let flying pigs into paradise
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Wel there is YouShit for,.. for all kinds of imbeciles.
Posted by: Dan at March 09, 2007 01:14 PM (ILHet)
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Everytime I see one of these evil immigrant bastards spouting in the West, I always wonder 1) Why they're not in prison and 2) If they're not in prison, why they're not dead.
It's time the West starts waking up and dealing with the problem.
Posted by: MidnightSun at March 09, 2007 02:25 PM (8t7Mg)
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He is obviously a sick and evil creature. He needs to receive justice. USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at March 09, 2007 07:37 PM (2OHpj)
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Pretty sick stuff. There's plenty of these preachers in the UK who've made similar comments. The UK just needs to do what we would do, deport them.
Posted by: Bobby Boeche at March 10, 2007 04:07 PM (kaMd2)
UK Bigley Beheading Supporter Identified
The U.K. Muslim seen on a video supporting the beheading of British hostage Kenneth Bigley has been identified as Abdul Rahman Saleem, also known as Abu Yahya. Unsurprisingly, he is a follower of exiled British cleric Omar Bakri Mohammed.
I Googled his name and came up with a reference to him, right here at The Jawa Report. It seems that he was one of the characters behind a protest at the Danish embassy in which Muslims were seen advocating "Behead those who insult Islam":
Abdul Rahman Saleem, 31, of Poplar, (aka Abu Yahya) denied one count of using words likely to stir up racial hatred.
I don't know about "using words likely to stir up racial hatred," but his explicit endorsement of the beheading of civilian hostages in this video certainly seems like something much worse.
At the cartoon protest, Saleem was videotaped chanting:
"7/7 on its way" and "Europe you will pay with your blood" (Telegraph)
Saleem was convicted on the charges and is, from what I gather, free on bail until his April sentencing hearing.
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Is there any way this guy be given a taste of his own medicine? i.e. behead him, at least until his April sentencing hearing. That should teach him a thing or two about the proper use of words.
Posted by: busywwolf at March 07, 2007 07:17 PM (qqRYP)
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There are a few guys in Liverpool who would like to meet this coward. A bag of cement and a new home on the bed of the Mersey await him.
Posted by: Jester at March 07, 2007 07:47 PM (iwtIO)
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He will probably get probation to avoid stiring up the rest of the muslim trash in England.
Posted by: greyrooster at March 07, 2007 10:06 PM (wTIrf)
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England used to have a pretty stiff way of taking care of things like that. They were a tough people, long history of it. I don't understand why they walked away from that. This is the canary in the mine for the US policies that put pc over common sense.
Posted by: wb at March 07, 2007 10:35 PM (hiEju)
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Hey Rooster,
You might want to take note that you got censored from the dumbass broad ( there goes this one) who hooked up with a camel jockey and the complained about being treated like a ..... dumbass broad who hooked up with a camel jockey post. Seems it's okay to say anything you want as long as it doesn't reflect negatively on the masters of the board or their pets. Calling for the death of 100's of millions is fine, but don't call a dumb bitch a stupid bitch for being a dumb ass. Pulled in 4-3-2-1......
Posted by: wb at March 07, 2007 11:36 PM (hiEju)
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Yea: Theres a few muslim huggers here who have been indoctrinated and so called educated by the muslim hugging liberals. Saying the truth has nothing to do with the comments on some posts. Shit! Isn't that how the moderators on the pro muslim blogs act. Hide the truth, protect your ideas and frig anyone elses.
Posted by: greyrooster at March 08, 2007 07:42 AM (wTIrf)
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A few months ago the posters were trying to collect money for some muslim woman because her husband had been kidnapped. Of course the poster used the phase (American woman in Detroit has husband kidnapped). I asked the question what was the man doing in Iraq and was he a muslim? Seemed like a good question to me. In that I was being asked to contribute may easily earned money to her. DELETE, DELETE, DELETE. Don't question. So friggin obvious. And where the hell is Jeff and the lowlife osamaisawigger?
Posted by: greyrooster at March 08, 2007 08:02 AM (wTIrf)
Video: British Imam Urges Terror Attacks
Here is a video of British Imam Omar Bakri Mohammed urging Muslims to bring jihad to European soil. In it, he urges would-be jihadis to follow the example of the Madrid al Qaeda attackers and fight the infidels on their own soil rather than making Muslim lands the battlefield. 190 people died in those bombings.
The video is said to have been recorded in a London area community center, but you'll notice the sign above Bakri Mohammed reads something about "...cakes made to order". I'm not sure what, if anything, that means. Maybe the pro-jihad crowd was having a bake sale? You know, "Buy a halal cake and we'll send half the proceeds to bin Laden" or something like that.
The video is from Glen Jenvey, who sends his regards to Jawa Readers. If you want to read about how Glen was able to infiltrate both Abu Hamza and Omar Bakri Mohammed's inner circle, you can read about it in War of the Web: Fighting the Online Jihad
This People UK article suggests that this video is enough to finally indict Bakri Mohammed. You'll remember that after he fled Britain for Lebanon shortly after several of his follewers were rounded up on terror related charges that he was declared persona non grata in the U.K.:
Charles Shoebridge, a former counter-terrorism intelligence officer, thinks The People's evidence could be crucial in nailing Bakri, who lived in Britain for 18 years before he was banned from returning from Lebanon. Mr Shoebridge explained: "Just as once was the case with Abu Hamza, the authorities have been reluctant to act against Bakri.
"A reason given for this inaction was a claimed lack of hard evidence. But the videos show that this excuse doesn't stand scrutiny.
"After the 7/7 attacks, the Government made it an offence to glorify terrorism. Bakri seems to go well beyond this by apparently directly calling for attacks.
"On the face of it, these videos provide police with ample evidence to arrest Bakri should he ever set foot in the UK or any country with which the UK has an extradition treaty."
Read the rest of the story. Apparently they found a second video, which I don't have, of Bakri Mohammed's followers plotting to kidnap prison officials and "hang them from lamposts." Watch the video to the end. It cuts off, but I believe he was trying to urge Muslims in the U.K. to prepare themselves for the inevetable day when they will have to go to war with their own government.
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Yet another muslim dog spouting bile on the backs of the British taxpayer. Parasite! A few tactical assassinations of these creeps is called for.
Posted by: Jester at February 26, 2007 05:49 PM (iwtIO)
2"... British Imam ... urging Muslims to bring jihad to European soil..."
So, what else is new? These savages lack the mental capacity for anything other contention and aggression, death and destruction, robbing other people of their property dignity and lives.
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at February 26, 2007 05:54 PM (vixLB)
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Jester, I'd like to ask a question please. Here in Canada there is a legal instrument called "The War Measures Act" which the Crown can employ to temporarily suspend civil law in order to restore order. I assume a similar law exists in the U.K. Considering the MI5 reports of literally thousands of Jihadi's preparing for attacks on U.K. targets can the government of Great Britain not invoke that law and deal with filthy vermin like this guy once and for all?
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at February 26, 2007 06:00 PM (vixLB)
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just one more example of tolerance, love, inclusion, peace, and enlightenment from the ole religion of shit. Well if it is ok for them to want us dead for simply being alive and infidels then fuck them all and all that support the pedophile muhammed. May the islamic lack of prenatal care allow more muslim babies to die in thier whore of a mothers arms. May many more stupid jihadists kill other muslims over a god that there is no proof even exists. PCness is a total fucking joke. If the palasteinians and jew haters can cheer over 911 then I have the total right to laugh and cheer when muslims die or get oppressed. Every day I hear about more filth and hate from muslims just makes me even more happy and guiltless that I killed in pretty cold blood many towel heads while I was in OIF and OEF. America needs to toughen up and stop caring if we look bad or if we offend someone. Suck my fucking ass if you are offended. Guess what ragheads and liberals I was pretty fucking offended to watch the fedahyeen murder surrendering Iraqi forces during shock and awe. 911 was pretty fucking offensive. The fact that muslims worship muhammed who was a pedophile is pretty god damn offensive. Liberals and muslims who cannot and will not answer a simple god damn fucking question without going into some hate filled diatribe is fucking offensive. Now excuse me I need to wash since the filth of islam is just too much.
Posted by: Legrand at February 26, 2007 06:37 PM (/etUv)
If there are any more terrorist attacks in the UK there will be backlash from the average British citizen. There is definitely a growing anti-Islamic mood here.
I am surprised MI5 have not done more but there could be things going on behind the scenes. I know for certain the British SAS were ruthless with key members of the IRA in the 70s and 80s and it is time similar tactics were employed against key muslim leaders. A few "missing" people amongst their ranks might make them think twice before spewing their hatred of the British state.
Margaret Thatcher would never have tolerated this kind of crap.
Posted by: Jester at February 26, 2007 06:40 PM (iwtIO)
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Yes Jester, I agree that it would be nice if the SAR or MI5 took out this ugly mother-f**ker.
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at February 26, 2007 07:03 PM (vixLB)
Posted by: Hucbald at February 26, 2007 07:07 PM (w8csg)
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Gee, I wonder if the British have a "stakeknife" like they did with the IRA, some people should google that term if they think the British won't do what it takes to win.
Posted by: davec at February 26, 2007 07:15 PM (yaQM4)
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"Cakes made to order" - Do you want a file hidden in yours, or some C-5 and ball-bearings - the candles are a fuse.
Posted by: DirtCrashr at February 26, 2007 07:44 PM (VNM5w)
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Muslim communities have already been infiltrated by some of the more ruthless sections of HM secret service. We will see more terror plots exposed soon.
It must also be noted that the UK govt are being soft with the muslims, as the Labour party depends on them for votes. I think things will change after the next UK elections. Tony Blair is harder on them now than when he first came into office but his party's policies have fucked Britain over the years. Death to Ken Livingston, George Galloway and other traitors to the British way of life.
Posted by: Jester at February 26, 2007 07:47 PM (iwtIO)
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On a lighter note...I wouldn't eat a cake made by a muslim, they are lousy cooks and wouldn't put brandy in it.
Posted by: Jester at February 26, 2007 07:49 PM (iwtIO)
Jester, you need to put the crack pipe down and back slowly away from it. The British people are not going to do anything, they will ignore whatever is unpleasant about Islam and do nothing out of fear of offending their new Muslim masters.
Posted by: doriangrey at February 26, 2007 09:21 PM (JeeIJ)
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"cakes made to order" above this guys head makes me think of that mid-90s SNL skit about the guy trying to buy a cake from a store that only sells "erotic cakes."
Posted by: wooga at February 26, 2007 10:06 PM (t9sT5)
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Nice that they are speaking English though. Those Berlitz courses are really paying off. Strange that he has time to make cakes what with being a spiritual leader, inciting violence and learning a new language. Plus he is fat. Maybe even fatter than me. He is not going to be carrying any explosives on him - no room. He would kind of looks like Ronald MacDonald's friend Grimace if he were to dye his beard sheet purple. Was I going somewhere with this?
Oh yeah. I feel that if Grimace is going to support terror then MacDonald's should not have him selling cakes.
Posted by: Saul Wall at February 26, 2007 10:28 PM (hgX7d)
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doriangrey, Don't mistake the inane ramblings of the trendy lefty political correct vociferous buffoons of the al-BBC with the true sentiments of ordinary Brits. No Brit, liberal or conservative would surrender to some goat-molesting Mo-slime terrorist. I can tell you this from my personal interactions with the English, Scotts, the Welsh and the Northern Irish. They may have different points of view but to the vast majority of Brits the words "God, Queen and Country" still mean something.
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at February 26, 2007 11:00 PM (vixLB)
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See what happens when the Brits don't have the Irish to fight for them?
Posted by: wb at February 26, 2007 11:03 PM (8phnz)
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at February 26, 2007 11:07 PM (vixLB)
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Don't pay attention to the british imam. Everybody knows that the only source of terrorism in the world is Bin Loser--even though he was impotent for the last three years of his life.
Just ask Osamaisdonal. Her lesbianism trumps rationality every time.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at February 27, 2007 03:44 AM (Dt3sl)
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great man indeed ,incouraging ligitimate self deffence against the imperialists ,muslim killers,oil thiefs ,war criminals,hatful supermasists,real terorrists incest promoters,satanists,biggots,blood thirsty warmongers,athiests,sodom and gomorrah,the united states of terrorists,the racist hateful talmudic israhel,christofascists and child molesting west. the only people with balls in the curent world are the muslims that say no and combat the real terrorists and wiyh great success.all others are bowing to us police state,distortion of facts an terror from regimes like in the us .athiests and satanists disguised as the good samaritans.i think its safe to say that the only rescuers of the world are the muslims and its hapening whether you like it or not ,just deal with it and get used to the idea.look around and you ll see who is the real bud guy ,but you probably know but prefer to distort facts and fool the people wiyh your propaganda but as the bigest stupid imposed president said ..you fool me once shame on me .......... your time is allmost up ! history in witness that you are colonists ,thieves,criminals,pirates,murderers,thugs,rapists,slave holders,with epidemic rates of alcoholists,fagots,pornography,incest,rape,crime,coruuption,child abuse,crime,racism,discrimination,exploitation of women .
Posted by: wefwer at February 27, 2007 08:11 AM (ciYCy)
nice tirade and lies about your jealousy and hate for the greatness of the west. Here is a nice athiest "fuck you" to you camel fucker. All that needs to be pointed out is this. You complain about child abuse from the west but dude your muhammed fucked a 9 year old. MUHAMMED FUCKED A GOD DAMN NINE YEAR OLD!!!!!!!!!!!!! Muhammed was a child rapist, muhammed today would be someones bitch in prison hopefully waiting to get his eyes carved out with a shank by some other criminal who hates baby fuckers. MUHAMMED fucked kids you cameljockey retard.
Posted by: Legrand at February 27, 2007 09:45 AM (/etUv)
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wefwer:
I remember when Allah decided to do some spring cleaning on the planet, by creating a split in the sea floor that created a tsunami that killed over 280,000 inhabitants of good, pious Muslim countries -- What seems fuzzy to me is the people that gave the most money, sent ships and aircraft and people around the world to aid in recovery? was that Saudi Arabia?
Oh and what was that about the West being the only people who paid everything they promised?
Seems to me, we should stop doing the heavy lifting in relief and charity, the Muslims have it covered.
/sarc
Posted by: davec at February 27, 2007 11:21 AM (yaQM4)
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what part of Muhammed fucked a little 9 year old girl don't you muslims understand? When you are a adult and especially a 50 year old adult and you FUCK a 9 year old little girl then you are a fucking pedophile. Muhammed was a child raper and because of that very reason you towelheads have ZERO right to talk about what is moral or right and wrong.
Posted by: Legrand at February 27, 2007 12:25 PM (/etUv)
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Funny Wefer's writing is the worst on the thread. But he wants to enlighten us?,
Quote, "and you ll see who is the real bud guy"
Yep,
Posted by: Darth Odie at February 27, 2007 12:27 PM (YHZAl)
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Can't say I've ever tried crack. Alcohol is my only drug of choice and even that is in moderation these days. GM is so right. Go to Glasgow, Liverpool, Newcastle, Cardiff (anywhere but London, Bradford or Birmingham) and talk to the average Brit. We've all had enough of muslims.
I've got Irish blood myself so have never waded into the situation there as I can see both sides, however there is no place in the western world for Islam. Well said about the Tsunami DaveC. Nice tirade wefwer but wanker would be a better name for you.
Posted by: Jester at February 27, 2007 03:26 PM (iwtIO)
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Quote, "and you ll see who is the real bud guy"
I used to like bud but tend to drink Corona these days.
Posted by: Jester at February 27, 2007 03:52 PM (iwtIO)
"your time is allmost up " Huh! Yeah right .... keep puffing out your chest you corrupt little fascist!
Legrand to wefwer "Here is a nice athiest "fuck you" to you camel fucker" Well hey wefwer, I'm not an Atheist, but I don't have to be to get along with one! I reject your Islamist-imperialist bullcrap as well.! You see wefwer, we have free exercise of religion in America! We actually have to use our individual sense of ethics, and develop moral awareness. We don't just run off like frothing, rabid death cultists because some Mullah says we should. We are ethical in a way your sick backward culture never could understand without exposure to ours. In the end, that IS what your problem is about. Your empire can't come into being while we are here!
We make you look bad, because we are so good! We make you look weak, because we are sto casually strong. We flick our pinky, and the largest Islamofacists are reduced to confetti, and farting noises. It's only by hiding under rocks, or pretending to 'not really' be a fascist, that you escape justice, but not forever my 'friend' ... not forever.
You guys can't make medicine despite claims of your amazing ancient scientific lore! You guys can't build anything without the help of the west. You can't even hardly make your own weapons to betray us with. You have to buy those from us with all that money you make from oil you accuse us of stealing. Like that accusation makes any sense at all. I think we are the ones being robbed!
I take back that you've never produced anything. You are awesome at producing the one real weapon of terror. You create children who hate their own life, and who want to end thiers while taking the lives of others! What a great contribution to the world you Muslims have made. Children who want only to die while commiting murder! I can see now why you think we should bow to you, after all, your absolutly insane, so any demand you put forth, makes perfect wonderland sense!
It's at the point where you have sacrificed the life of not only Islam's future generations, but also the future of Arab culture. You must know that we will fight to the end ... Your end! If your children are programmed to die, I'd say they will get thier wish, because I like many others, won't let them carry out the evil you have crafted them to fulfill. It isn't their fault they are the way they are. You have ALL the responability for ruining their lives. There isn't justice enough on this Earth to punish you for what you and your verminous, poisonous hate cult have done, and are planning to do.
I don't hate people because they believe in Allah. In a world where you idiots didn't kill people with a diferent opinion, I could sit and have cofee with you talking about whatever. Since we don't have that ...
I do seek the ultimate end of those who murder in Allah's name. That is what killing the infidel for Allah is. It's Murder! Your like wolves howling in the night, waiting to snatch our children, and someone needs to put you down for good!
I have communicated with ONE moderate Muslim. Just one. She is afraid to take a stand for her beliefs. You are destoying yourselves, when your best people fear apostasy. Your destroying yoursleves when your crimes brand the innocent that are still among you. They will end up dead along with you guilty ones, because we won't have time to be delicate. That is your fault also.
People have to leave your religion to find freedom. They have to leave your religion show they don't support endless war, and murder for a totalitarian imperialist religion. Like a Caliphate isn't an imperial concept on it's face!?!? Your apostates are your best contribution to society, because they know you best, and they spread the word about you. It's the only good thing I've seen come from Islam, and don't think I didn't try to find SOMETHING!
Someone's time IS almost up, wefner ... look in the mirror.
I hope you understand me!
USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at February 27, 2007 04:44 PM (2OHpj)
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Jester, If my comments regarding Northern Ireland caused you offence in anyway please accept my apologies. I certainly meant no harm.
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at February 27, 2007 08:43 PM (EdIIN)
Not to diminish the subjects of the crown, but let us look at reality as it is not as we wish it to be. Neither my brethren here in the United States nor those of the crown have the intestinal fortitude required to confront the evil that is Islam. We would rather pretend that Muslims are misunderstood individuals striving for equality than see them as the monsters that they really are.
Tony Blair defied an assassination threat from al-Qa'eda to take part in the Queen's Golden Jubilee celebrations in central London, it can be revealed for the first time....
Lord Stevens, talking for the first time about the alleged plot, said: "There was a threat against the Prime Minister over the Queen's Jubilee period. It was an assassination threat. There was good reason to believe that the threat was credible."
Lord Stevens, who confessed to not feeling the same degree of optimism, said that Mr Blair would not countenance withdrawing. "We went ahead. There were a lot of police officers around. There were lots of marksmen in the actual vicinity," he said.
"I remember sitting with him three or four along the line outside Buckingham Palace where I knew we were extremely vulnerable. I just looked out the side of my eye. There was not a shadow of any kind of fear. He had a job to do and he did it.
"You have to admire him and Cherie Blair, who also knew about the threat, for doing that. They showed great personal courage."
Abu Izzadeen Arrested: British Muslims Seethe, Threaten
An Islamic website linked to radical exiled cleric Omar Bakri Mohammed has announced that Bakri's lieutenant, Abu Izzadeen, has been arrested. U.K. newspapers are also confirming this. The specific charge is of encouraging terrorism.
The British website claims that Izzadeen was arrested "at the train station" and that Muslims should pray for Bakri. Other posters echoed the sentiment. "May Allah hasten his release," said one commenter.
"May Allah handle the oppressors, May He throw fear into there [sic] hearts, n [sic] direct his force against them.... May Allah (swt) make there plots against us a means for there [sic] own destruction!" said another.
Here's the website. The same forum recently described The Jawa Report as "a mix of red necks and swine eating pigs... most of which are made up of pedophiles and homosexual [sic]". We'll cop to the first two (rednecks and swine eating pigs), but I was under the impression that it was Mohammed who was the pedophile (eg, his marriage to the 6 year old Aisha, and his rape of her at 9) and that it was in Islamic countries where buggery runs amock!
Notice, too, that they site an ironic post by a commenter about finding justifications in the Bible for Christians killing Muslims. A) None of the authors of the Jawa Reports said that, it was a commenter B) The commenter was joking. A play on the injunction in the Quran for Muslims to kill Christians until they either convert or submit to Muslim rule.
Posted by: MidnightSun at February 08, 2007 12:51 PM (tq7s9)
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Muslims are swine and I have no intention of eating them. They are too hairy and boney and they smell bad.
Posted by: Jester at February 08, 2007 02:38 PM (iwtIO)
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Since Britain has no death penalty, and long prison sentences are rarer than islamopithecines who walk upright, maybe Izzy can be sentenced to put on assless chaps and go to a George Michaels concert.
But then, even if he is convicted, he'll probably be sentenced to community service. Preaching to school kids about the wonders of peaceful islam, or opening Parliament with a prayer calling for the death of pigs (Jews,) and monkeys (Christians,) is probably the most we can expect from the courts in Neville Neville Land.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at February 08, 2007 03:39 PM (Dt3sl)
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You guys have no true idea about this website. I monitor these barbaric animals daily. Even when they claim to be peaceful with a little insite it's easy to see thru them. They are the reason I say much of what I do. I know they are reading the Jawa report. Muslims are swine eating dogs. Thats for you asshole muslims reading the Jawa report. It is true that if you register and have the slightest difference with them it will be deleted. IT IS A MUSLIM HATE BLOG AND NOTHING MORE. The Brits are crazy allow these backward islamic assholes in their country. Most of them are truly ignorant. The rest just hateful degenate rats. While pretending to be peaceful they are far worse than the terrorists. I have more respect for the stupid terrorists who kill in the name of their filthy religion than I do for these cowards who stand back and cheer the killers. They are lower than snake shit. Nothing but fornicators of goats because the women smell like camels. I piss on them and I piss on the phedophile mohammed.
Posted by: greyrooster at February 08, 2007 09:21 PM (ZAZT9)
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GayRoofer, ever the voice of reason. Who even listens to you beside Muslims? Your rants are tiresome and bigoted - the only reason you are paid any mind since you fit so nicely with their view of Americans being just like you. Congratulations, now STFU for once please!
Posted by: tbone at February 09, 2007 02:32 PM (HGqHt)
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Weebone, ever the voice of reason. Who even listens to you beside Muslims? Your rants are tiresome and bigoted - the only reason you are paid any mind since you fit so nicely with their view of dhimmies being just like you. Congratulations, now STFU for once please!
Cock nibbler.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at February 09, 2007 03:54 PM (Dt3sl)
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Jeff, whip out a brain if you can find one and we can all try to nible on that.
Posted by: tbone at February 09, 2007 08:54 PM (iK3oF)
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So now that we know where their site is ... is there anything cool we can do to/with it? USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at February 10, 2007 12:54 AM (2OHpj)
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Oh, and Greyrooster .... All fame is fleeting
USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at February 10, 2007 12:55 AM (2OHpj)
"Brain?" Is that the latest euphemism for cock in the queer crowd?
Here's looking at you: Sucking my dick!
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at February 10, 2007 01:32 PM (Dt3sl)
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Jeff, you little queen, we're still waiting... Don't worry, it happens to every man - I'm sure you can get at least one original thought all nice and hard for us... try to picture yourself in the library bathroom with GR in a burka...
Posted by: tbone at February 13, 2007 11:50 AM (HGqHt)
"Oh, You Mean THOSE Monkeys and Pigs..." (YouTube Video)
If I didn't know better, I might suspect that this lady was being less than fully candid with the interviewer:
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This gets me pretty worked up. I will avoid commenting at length till I can get it sorted out, but I am thinking we need to shut down any Saudi schools in America even if it pisses some folks off.
USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at February 07, 2007 07:18 AM (2OHpj)
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Also I see noew the vid isn't working! USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at February 07, 2007 07:23 AM (2OHpj)
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So when is the mass immigration from Europe to North America (last bastion of sanity), gonna take place again?
Posted by: DAT at February 07, 2007 08:14 AM (DZE4e)
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Early on in the interview, at about 4:08, she says that the books "are not taught currently." She follows that with they have been "phased out." "They are the Saudi curriculum. We teach the Saudi curriculum in highschool." Then she goes on to say how some of the chapters are good teaching material, paraphrasing of course.
1) The books are currently not being taught. They've
been phased out. Did this happen before or after the whistle was blown?
2)If the books are in the Saudi curriculum-
a) is she saying that this is what is taught in Saudi
Arabia?
b) and if the Saudi curriculum is highschool, then
does this mean they are teaching this to the
highschoolers in this school?
3)If the teachers actually find good material in the chapters that do not have the 'monkeys and pigs' tripe, do they simply instruct the children not to read said tripe and carry on with class? If a child is curious and reads the tripe anyway, on his own, is the school absolved of any guilt?
She adds that using the chapters is up to the teacher, saying "it depends on the objectives that the teacher wants to achieve." Again, I thought the books had been phased out. Now it appears the teachers have discretion to use them if they wish.
Of course, "interpretations is different than translations." She brushed that one aside, didn't even slow her down. I really wish she had told the story, it sounds interesting. She developed the curriculum herself. Then she jumps in and contradicts everything she had said to that point - "There are chapters in these books that are used and that will serve our objectives." At the very end, if I hear correctly, she says that "there are good chapters" and what sounds like "they're going to be used..." but I can't be certain b/c the mouse representing Jews chose that instant to squeak, er, speak.
I don't know what to make of it but it scares the crap out of me b/c we have Islamic schools here in the US. I really need to go and hug my children now.
Posted by: middleagedhousewife at February 07, 2007 10:27 PM (rr/CY)
Ok I finally got all the way through it. The textbook translations sound just like Hadith's I have seen from the MAS's own site, and passages from my 'authorized' Quran. It doesn't matter if these passages are in text books or not, because they are part of the foundation of Islamic law. Unlike the 'teacher' they had on at the end, there are (self proclaimed) Muslims who have denounced such, and who oppose Sharia.
One of my first comments to the Jawa Report was right after I learned that one of the British Muslims had tried to set up a terror camp near Portland. I have family there, and it hit close to home. I had borrowed StarTrek origional series DVD's from my sister, and I was going to spend the weekend watching them, and I just couldn't enjoy them.
We have to get this sorted out. It isn't about StarTrek, but at the same time it is. Spending a weekend watching vids is a fairly common and entertaining waste of time in America, and your not hurting anyone but yourself, sitting on that couch eating all that popcorn. But you can't even enjoy it, because some scuzbag is trying to set up his own little martyrs brigade, so he can send them out to kill you and your family! It kind of screws with your pursuit of happiness! It needs to stop! I still haven't watched those damn vids either!
We are all on the frontline since 9-11, and that hasn't changed, nor will it change until those who wage war against US in Allah's name are defeated once and for all. Those who only do peaceful things in Allah's name need to get the hell outa the way or take the consequences of their associations. I wish they would understand and seperate from the herd. It's going to be brutal and ugly for those who don't.
I wish we could just tell them apart with tri-corder readings, but that only works in science fiction. In real life you need something more tangible than the Vulcan mind meld, or tachyon field emissions!
And the prime directive only works if they can't come to you, so non-interference is non-effective. Islamic terror = The Borg! To which we should respond that we will not be assimilated!
USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at February 09, 2007 12:16 PM (2OHpj)
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Yeah, I caught that "phased out" thing too. Books from 2005 and 2006 are being phased out... riiiiiight. Honestly, I don't think she actually expected anyone to question her baldfaced lie about that.
She sure got awful defensive about the content of those "phased out" books, didn't she?
Posted by: Stewed Hamm at February 12, 2007 07:55 AM (IoR5s)
Al Qaeda Behind British Beheading Plot; Bakri Mohammed Implicated; Suspects Identified (Updated)Updates at bottom. Scroll down.
New developments on the raid that rounded up 9 Muslims suspected of plotting to behead a returned British Muslim soldier. Al Qaeda is now said to be behind the plot, and directed from Pakistan. At least two suspects remain at large. Also, a second Muslim soldier was targetted.
The message the beheading video would send was not only that the British should abandon Iraq and Afghanistan, but that Muslims serving in the UK are now considered "apostates". Apostasy is a capital crime under Islamic law, and beheadin apostates specificaly approved by Mohammed, the Muslim "prophet". The video would serve as a warning to British Muslims not to cooperate with the "kuffar' (unbeliever) nor to change their "deen" (Islamic way of life).
Further, one of the suspects may have served on the Muslim Council of Britain. Another seems to have been involved in the operation of a pool hall. A third was a part owner in a bookstore which sold Islamic jihadi propaganda masquerading as "documentaries", the former owner of which was a Guantanamo Bay detainee.
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After much research I have found a, until now, hidden commandment in the bible that says Christians are to kill muslims at every opportunity. It says that Muslims are the spawn of the devil. The word anti-christ means muslim. My religion commands me to destroy them. All Christians who do not believe this commandment will go to hell. We must do as God commands. Therefore, get out and do your part as a good Christian. Oh yea. This newly found passage also says any Christian that quits should be buried alive. This is part of religion and as a free American my rights to my religion are protected the constitution of the United States. Let us pray and get busy doing Gods work.
Posted by: greyrooster at February 01, 2007 12:44 PM (E7ALy)
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I hope the British authorities use this incident as an opportunity to start reversing the Islamist invasion of England.
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at February 01, 2007 01:48 PM (vixLB)
Posted by: Rusty at February 01, 2007 02:37 PM (JQjhA)
4I hope the British authorities use this incident as an opportunity to start reversing the Islamist invasion of England.
You taking cash bets on that
Posted by: Randman at February 01, 2007 02:45 PM (Sal3J)
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Greyrooster, there are lefties who will take that remark seriously, and try to use it against those of us who ARE Christian. I get your joke, but it has the potential to be a double edged sword. Not looking for an arguement, I just felt I should point out that possibility. USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at February 01, 2007 03:43 PM (2OHpj)
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Hell, Greyrooster has a point. That is exactly what a large and growing number of Muslims are saying, and if you read the Koran, that is exactly what it commands.
Posted by: templar knight at February 01, 2007 04:01 PM (LFjVi)
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Rusy: I'll shut up when you stop associating with muslims.
Posted by: greyrooster at February 01, 2007 08:00 PM (E7ALy)
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I believe in this latest heretofor hidden commandment. The lefturds and muslims have hidden this passage from us for a thousand years. What God commands we must do. GOD WILLS IT.
Posted by: greyrooster at February 01, 2007 08:03 PM (E7ALy)
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<blockquote>Unless "Azzar" and "Iqbal" are common Pakistani names.</blockquote>
Your lack of knowledge is dazzling.
Posted by: merkur at February 02, 2007 02:38 AM (7oYoU)
(Audio) British Cleric Encourages Muslims to Behead Hostages: Birmingham Connection
In this two-minute audio clip, Omar Bakri Mohammed urges his followers to use whatever tools they have at their disposal in fighting the jihad. He claims those tools include beheading hostages. This message was recorded by Glen Jenvey on June 8, 2006--the day Abu Musab al Zarqawi, the leader of al Qaeda in Iraq who beheaded British hostage Ken Bigley, was killed.
Why bring this up now? Omar Bakri Mohammed's al Muhajiroun followers congregate in Birmingham. The voice you hear is that of Omar Barki Mohammed, many of those listening to him would have been in Birmingham. It's not a direct connection, but it may have been a motivating factor in the plot to kidnap and behead a British soldier. Especially given that those involved in the plot looked to Zarqawi's example. Add moral justification to example and you have a recipe for action.
Soldier Beheading Plot Foiled in Britain (Bumped, Updated)Important Updates below. Scroll down for info on Moazzam Begg and other updates, including audio of British cleric, with large Birmingham following, praising the beheading of hostages
Another plot inspired by Abu Musab al Zarqawi. Have we finally witnessed the ascendency of the Zarqawi method of filmed beheadings for political gain among radical Salafi Muslims in the West? The plotters, it is said, wanted a repeat of the beheading murder of Ken Bigley---who was personally killed by Zarqawi.
The arrests were in Birmingham, which leads us to suspect that followers of Omar Bakri Mohammed, who have a large following there, were involved. One of Bakri Muhammed's followers is pictured right.
more...
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Behead muslims that call for beheadings. The English had better wake up and soon. Pacifying these monsters is not the way to go. Bring the troops in and remove them from England. Make it a great country once again.
Posted by: greyrooster at January 31, 2007 09:55 AM (w+w6p)
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Is it yet time for marshal law? I mean Michelle Malkin did once talk about justifyable internment.
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at January 31, 2007 11:07 AM (vixLB)
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What's with these moongod worshippers and cutting people's heads off. I don't get it.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 31, 2007 12:13 PM (8e/V4)
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JC, it's in the Koo-ran, man. Gotta go by the book, y'know!
Posted by: TXEric at January 31, 2007 02:20 PM (U3Ssr)
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When I read this headline “Beheading Plot Foiledâ€, I thought to myself: ‘who could be responsible for this plot? Could this be the work of radical Baptists? Mormons perhaps? Or Hindus or Sikhs or Buddhists?’ How astonishing that it was in fact perpetrated by Muslims! Of course, they are just following their ‘prophet’s’ example, who in his time ordered the murder of the poet Ashraf merely for writing something that Muhammad didn’t like. And he authorized ‘deviousness’ to accomplish it! These are from Islam’s own scriptures, google them for yourself if in doubt…
Bukhari:V5B59N369 "Allah's Apostle said, ‘Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle.' Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslamah got up saying, ‘O Allah's Apostle! Would you like me to kill him.' The Prophet said, ‘Yes.' Maslamah said, ‘Then allow me to say false things in order to deceive him.' The Prophet said, ‘You may say such things.'"
Tabari VII:94. "Ashraf suspected no evil when Maslama cried, ‘Smite the enemy of Allah!' So they smote him, and their swords clashed over him. Maslama said, ‘I remembered my dagger and I seized it. I thrust it into the lower part of his body. I bore down upon it until I reached his genitals. Allah's enemy fell to the ground.'"
Ishaq:368 "We carried his head back to Muhammad during the night, saluted the Prophet as he stood praying, and cast Ashraf's head before his feet. The Prophet praised Allah that the poet had been slain, and complimented us on the good work we had done in Allah's Cause. Our attack upon Allah's enemy cast terror among the Jews, and there was no Jew in Medina who did not fear for his life."
Ishaq:368 "Ashraf's body was left prostrate. After his fall, all of the Jews were brought low. Sword in hand we cut him down. By Muhammad's order we were sent secretly to his home by night. Brother killing brother. We lured him to his demise with deviousness. We made him taste death with our deadly swords. We sought victory for the religion of the Prophet."
Tabari VII:97 "The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, ‘Kill any Jew who falls under your power.'"
Posted by: Proud Infidel at January 31, 2007 02:56 PM (BUqN7)
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I question the timing of the arrests! It's all a plot to distract from Rove getting a subpoena!
Posted by: wooga at January 31, 2007 03:18 PM (t9sT5)
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Just found out the guy they were going to behead is a muslim. May you muslims have good luck beheading other muslims. It's the latest thing to do. If you wish to keep in step with the wants of the beautiful people. Behead your brother muslim. It is vogue. It's fashionable. It's approved. Make a friend in the west. Behead a muslim. You guys are on the right track. The solution to the muslim problem is BEHEAD YOUR FELLOW MUSLIMS. Right on. Have fun. Good muslims behead other muslims. Go for it. Get a better knife. We cheer for you. Way to go. Vote for muslims that behead other muslims. A green card for all muslims that behead other muslims.
Posted by: greyrooster at January 31, 2007 03:50 PM (w+w6p)
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Plus 72 virgins, 4 camels, 2 goats and a little boy when you get to heaven. I figure the little boy thing will hurry them up.
Posted by: greyrooster at January 31, 2007 04:00 PM (w+w6p)
Posted by: Jack's Smirking Revenge at January 31, 2007 07:09 PM (CtVG6)
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I would say that police showing up on your doorstep to arrest you only days before you are set to kidnap an 'evil' muslim member of the military who is kicking your ass in other parts of the world a sure sign that allah is not on your sign.
Posted by: Fred Fry at January 31, 2007 09:46 PM (hLi8T)
Muhammed Cartoon Protester Guilty
Best part? When followers of Omar Bakri Mohammed cry out from the viewers gallery. I mean, what could be more unjust than convicting a guy for inciting people to kill infidels and blasphemers?
A Muslim demonstrator who took part in a protest march against cartoons of the prophet Muhammad was found guilty today of calling for the murder of American and Danish people.
There were shouts of protest from the public gallery as Umran Javed, 27, from Birmingham, was found guilty of soliciting murder and stirring up racial hatred during the demonstration in London last February. He was recorded on a police video shouting "Bomb, bomb Denmark. Bomb, bomb USA" to fellow demonstrators.
I hope his cellmate teaches him that "fist" can be a verb also.
Posted by: Jack's Smirking Revenge at January 05, 2007 05:22 PM (CtVG6)
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Is this the same guy who was in that grainy video yelling "bomb bomb usa, bomb bomb uk"? I think most of you know the video I'm talking about, it's usually included in the tv programs about rising radicalism, but it's the worst video quality of them all. So it really sticks out.
I think it's a different guy, but I'm amused that there are multiple fanatics of such diminished mental capacity that they can't come up with a better slogan than "bomb bomb [bad place]".
Dance dance revolution!
Posted by: wooga at January 05, 2007 05:59 PM (t9sT5)
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Serves him right. Hats off to Tony Blair for keeping his promise of bringing these hate mongers to justice.
Wooga, Long time no chat?!?! Hope you're keeping well. Happy 2007. /GM
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at January 05, 2007 07:18 PM (vixLB)
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Hey Garduneh, you might find this guy funny: http://www.persertv.com/html/50cent.html
I can only pick out a couple words here and there.
Posted by: wooga at January 06, 2007 01:07 AM (2YapR)
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Very good news. Watch for a lefty to try and claim it is a free speech issue, HAH!
USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at January 06, 2007 01:26 AM (2OHpj)
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The difference between this idiot and other muslims? NOTHING.
Posted by: Greyrooster at January 07, 2007 07:07 PM (ovoks)
No Killing "Innocents"-- Innocents = Muslims, everyone else is fair game
Remember our good friend Anjem Choudary? He's Omar Bakri Mohammed's right-hand man in Britain. Rarely, if ever, do we get such a clear expression of the beliefs of Salafi Muslims than in this BBC interview with Choudary
Here is the money quote, as Choudary tries to clarify Shiekh Omar Bakri's stance on killing the infidels:
BBC: Your own leader, Omar Bakri [Mohammed], said quite simply "I condemn the killing of innocent people" on the 20th of July. Why won't you say what he says?
Choudary: At the end of the day, when we say "innocent people" we mean "Muslims". As far as non-Muslims are concerned, they have not accepted Islam. As far as we are concerned, that is a crime against God.
He then goes on to refuse to condemn mass murderers and then dodges the question on whether or not London should be attacked again.
And if you don't remember Choudary, he's the head of The Society of Muslim lawyers in the UK who says that the Pope shoud be executed. For suggesting Islam might be violent. Yup.
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(No Killing "Innocents"-- Innocents = Muslims, everyone else is fair game)
This part is made in some of the Hadith I've seen. I can try to find the Hadith's again so I can share, but I was getting most of my translations from the Muslim American Society of Minnesota.
If you want to look around a bit yourself, here is the info;
http://www.masmn.org/22.html
I have 'A Manual Of Hadith' by Maulana Muhammad Ali, but it isn't enough. You need to get all the different Islamic law sources you can. At least with the MAS site, your getting a translation that they themselves, are willing to admit to.
I have not found a stipulation in any Islamic law, requiring that a Muslim treat a non-Muslim as an equal. I have found countless references for carrrying out violent Jihad. In fact, all other sins are forgiven to one who performs "Jihad, in the way of Allah".
So Jihad forgives everything, that it doesn't already justify.
If you wanted to be a serial killer, you could justify it as Jihad, and nothing in Islamic law would dispute you, as long as your victims were not Muslim, or (possibly) Dhimmi.
I'm still looking for the Hadith that will change my current view, but it's a lot to read. I recommend the effort, especially to those who doubt the agressive totalitariam nature of 'true' Islam.
Anyway ... I agree with Jesusland Carlos, who posted before me, but appears after me. A lot of folks on the left are to busy hating Christianity to worry about Jihadists coming to town. It's sad ...
But I'm not for outlawing Islam, if they Muslims can act like civilized members of the human race. Sorry Greyrooster, I can't quite go that far (yet).
USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at December 14, 2006 11:47 PM (2OHpj)
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Here's where your Leftard pipes in that, yes, he's afraid of jihadis, but he's even more afraid of Pat Robertson and evangelicals.
Posted by: Jesuslad Carlos at December 15, 2006 12:03 AM (8e/V4)
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I'm nor a lawyer but how does this ass get away with what he says and does. The Brits must be crazy to keep this trouble maker in their country. Again, I say OUTLAW ISLAM.
Posted by: Greyrooster at December 15, 2006 12:42 AM (vLeHe)
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Guess you can carry that innocent meme over to the uncovered meat problem in Oslo:
Is the world truly falling apart around us? With the holocaust conference in Iran, LOON's like this in the UK and elsewhere, and the obvious sickness in SW asia, are normal people getting a clue yet? or are they just worried about PlayStation 3 and who is playing in the super bowl?
Posted by: DAT at December 15, 2006 08:58 AM (MOHqt)
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Britain has a perverse "freedom of speech." In america, the first amendment protects all speech, regardless of content, with only certain exceptions (such as child porn and advocacy of imminent violence). Outside of these 4 or 5 exceptions, the speech can only be restricted in very narrow circumstances.
The violence exception has been watered down in the US over the past 70 years, but has been abolished altogether in the UK. Meanwhile, the UK has carved out a new, nice and fat exception for "hate speech," meaning that if it is "hate" speech, you can be thrown in jail.
Thus, in the UK, you can be thrown in jail for saying "homosexuality is a sin" or "Islam is a religion of violence," but you are allowed to say "kill all joos and whitey too!"
Posted by: wooga at December 15, 2006 12:39 PM (t9sT5)
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Oh, also, in the UK and most of europe it is illegal to say "the holocaust only killed 4 million jews, not 6."
Although holocaust deniers are some of the most vile people around, I like the US system, where we let them spout off the crazy talk, and then mock folks like David Duke into obscurity. Notice how in America, where we actually give two shits about free speech, we do not have a viable neo-nazi political party; Europe is filled with them, and they control seats at all levels of government?
The UK thinks its citizens are little children who need to be protected from "bad words"
Posted by: wooga at December 15, 2006 12:43 PM (t9sT5)
Sharia in the UK
Legal pluralism is all the rage in Europe and among American legal academics. The concept is that different laws should apply to different groups within the same country. This is why Canada allows some religious courts legal authority. The same applies to Britain. No joke.
The scary thing, is that it could happen here too. It's all the rage in law schools. And young lawyers today become tomorow's judges......
Dread Pundit Bluto has the details. But here's a teaser from The Telegraph:
Faizul Aqtab Siddiqi, a barrister and principal of Hijaz College Islamic University, near Nuneaton, Warwicks, said this type of court had advantages for Muslims. "It operates on a low budget, it operates on very small timescales and the process and the laws of evidence are far more lenient and it's less awesome an environment than the English courts," he said.
Mr Siddiqi predicted that there would be a formal network of Muslim courts within a decade.
Coming soon to the UK: rape victims being stoned to death, amputation for shoplifting, and the death sentence for blasphemers.
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Aqtab Siddiqi: "It operates on a low budget, it operates on a very small timescale and the process and the laws of evidence are far more lenient..."
Sounds like a carefully worded description of a lynch-mob.
Posted by: forest at November 29, 2006 11:58 AM (zjut/)
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Correct me if I'm reading this wrong - it seems that the police arrested those responsible, but witnesses and the victim showed little interest in pressing charges (and, presumably, providing statements), thus leading to the release on bail of the suspects. At which point, a totally non-official bunch of elders got together, and hashed out an arrangement with *no legal footing whatsoever*, which could not possibly have been pursued in a UK court. A gentleman's agreement, if you will.
The UK has no 'religious courts legal authority', nor will it ever have. Get your facts straight. As for Bluto's ridiculous assertion that what is effectively an out-of-court settlement poses a 'direct threat to [British] sovereignty' - get a grip. This is pure hyperbole.
I'm not in any way speaking up in favour of what occurred. I certainly do not believe in this 'legal pluralism' nonsense - I've no time for minorities trying to create their own encampments within our borders. But this particular story is a non-event.
Posted by: Joe Public at November 29, 2006 02:56 PM (mVxdj)
Sharia law could come to the U.S. Some form of it may already be here!
Parties, muslim or otherwise, could agree to submit to Sharia law in civil matters where state and federal law does not otherwise exempt such by statute or case law. They could mutually agree as to the Rules of Evidence to be used (or agree to none at all), who will arbitrate the case, and the degree of weight given to the testimony of a witness i.e. greater weight accorded to the testimony of witnesses who are Muslim with less weight given to women and/or infidels.
This is something the mutually agreed parties could legally do now in civil cases in accordance with Sharia law, subject to state and federal law and governed thereby.
It's called arbitration. Parties can mutually agree to enter into binding arbitration, mutually choose the arbitrator or tribunal to hear the case, and mutually agree on the particular body of law, i.e. statutes and case law, to be applied.
You've probably have entered into arbitration agreements and perhaps don't even realize it, i.e. a clause in a credit card application and/or their associated "terms of use" addendum, which become effective usually upon your first use of the credit card where arbitration, in lieu of the Courts, is agreed upon and/or you are deemed to have consented to arbitration by said use, and said arbritration case will be determined under the laws of a designated state like Delaware. Most states, if not all, allow for mutually agreed upon arbitration that will be binding in the Courts upon the parties with few exceptions and/or conditions.
As the BBC article stated: "This is because under English law people may devise their own way to settle a dispute before an agreed third party." Unless a statute states otherwise, we in America operate under English common law.
However, keep in mind that parties can NOT agree to arbitrate criminal cases. The article is correct when it stated: "What they mustn't do - and this must never happen - is to stray into the field of criminal matters. That simply would never be acceptable."
In a criminal cases, the victim is not a party that can agree to arbitration. The STATE or FEDS are the aggrieved party not the victim. And it goes without saying, that the accused does not have a right to arbitration in a criminal matter.
As to remedies in those cases eligible for arbitration, i.e., like contract disputes, Muslims need to realize that the prevailing party is not entitled to a severed head, limb, and/or beating for the losing partys failure to abide by a term in a contract like a default on payment. Such act and/or remedy would be deemed a crime.
Posted by: FLLaw33870 at November 29, 2006 02:57 PM (38GUY)
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If anyone other is feeling guilty about anything I will be sitting magistrate in the Buddhist court in Manhattan. For those out of staters we will be offering a fly-in fly-out service at all 3 of the major metropolitan airports. A bit of professional advertisement here.... STAY AWAY FROM THE CATHOLIC COURTS
Posted by: John Ryan at November 29, 2006 03:03 PM (TcoRJ)
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This is being blown out of proportion. What we are talking about is people privately settling disputes out of court, except instead of doing it in someones house over coffee they are doing it with a religious leader of some sort present - that's all! Arbitration has been going on for centuries, no-one is claiming that these courts have or should have ANY legal power or be mandatory in ANY way what-so-ever - you either take them or leave them.
The problem is that while we waste time on stupid non-issues like this, there is a very REAL and growing risk of hostile take-over and implementation of actual sick laws and punishments such as blasphemy law, stoning and amputation - these real threats are being ignored while we piss around with century-old arbitration crap and veil-banning.
Posted by: Johnny Nox at November 29, 2006 04:40 PM (eb3vN)
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John Ryan: You little prick. You were doing well, then you had to bring someone elses religion into it.
Posted by: Greyrooster at November 29, 2006 06:13 PM (0TutP)
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Muslim arbitration has allowed women to be treated like chattel in Canada. It's even gone so far as to allow forced clitoral mutilation and beatings.
Why couldn't it happen in Britain? The Brits are even further left than the Canucks, and islam already has an Empire within British borders.
Joe, can you fly the Union Jack wherever you want, and wear a t-shirt with a pig on it wherever you want? Just curious.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 29, 2006 07:28 PM (bLPT+)
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Bargholz - all I can say is that the media, the bits you over the pond get to hear, are vastly out of touch with feelings on the ground. Don't beleive the hype.
Posted by: Joe Public at November 29, 2006 08:13 PM (mVxdj)
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Oh,. and in answer to your question - yes, I can fly the Union Jack wherever I please, and I can wear a pig on my chest if I so choose. As for the Cross of St George - England, not Britain - well, the lefties frown upon that...
Posted by: Joe Public at November 29, 2006 08:15 PM (mVxdj)
Women have virtually no rights under sharia law, but no big deal says the Leftwing multi-cultist. Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 29, 2006 08:47 PM (yJKSD)
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Apparently the concept of equality before the law means jack with this talk of sharia courts in the west. I wonder how those of african descent, who fought for so long for it, will feel about this growing trend when it starts rearing its head more often here in the States.
Johnny Knox, if they (muslims, leftists, take it how you want) follow their normal pattern, once they get civil courts they'll start in on wanting their own criminal courts. You're already starting to see it in some parts of the states with language-specific courts, so why wouldn't they push for ethnic or religious specific courts as well?
Posted by: Ranba Ral at November 29, 2006 09:32 PM (VvXII)
You guys with your feet on the ground better take control of your country back from the cretins who are running it before it's too late.
I see the same thing happening to us here. Things like Pelosi and the San Fran contingent gaining power, while a candy-assed freshman Congressman gets lippy with the President, are good indications of how much power the left has wrested from normal folk.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 29, 2006 09:54 PM (bLPT+)
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I saw this link at a previous thread.
Its suppossed to be a Lebonese girl, and the guy who left it was saying 'this is what they want to kill'
Well, Sharia kills this ...
http://ikbis.com/beirut%20girl/shot/1300
Sharia kills all that is good about that link.
Sharia is poison to the water of freedom.
Frankly, the adoption of any Sharia court in the USA must constitute a direct attack on American soil. Whatever soil such a court occupies, will be in enemy hands while that court remains. it should be the obvious duty of any citizen who loves his Constitution, and honors the founding fathers, to strike against such an abomination on US soil.
Is that 'felonious' enough for everyone?
USA all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at November 30, 2006 04:17 PM (2OHpj)
It won't happen. The inhuman barbarity of sharia law is a documented fact. Much as they might bleat about low-level shit such as community arbitration, even the left would get nervous about implementing sharia as an alternative legal path.
Posted by: Joe Public at November 30, 2006 07:14 PM (AZum7)
I think you have a lot of good points. I would only be concerned that Sharia is actually advancing itself in subtle ways. Some 'arbitration' has allowed women and children to be abused even in non-muslim families.
I have seen slippery slope legal precedents take hold in parts of Montana, where out of state enviromental groups negotiate with federal agancies, and the people of the state I live in get bypassed. Just as one example.
Sharia is way more dangerous, and I think it is correct of us to watch what legal decisions are reached based on faith courts.
I would rather see a provision for hardship ruling system dealing with religious belief, in a regular secular court. A secular court could provide a layer of protection to family members who do not want a Sharia style decision, but are pressured by family, and community. The court provides a scapegoat for the victim to shift blame to.
I don't know, its complicated, and I just want to see thright thing done.
Guard those flags and the pigs as well
USA all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at December 03, 2006 12:57 AM (2OHpj)
Yusuf Islam Confirms He Supports Death for Blasphemers
The Nobel Prize noble no more. You really need to read Bruce Bawer's article today. Not just because The Jawa Report is mentioned. Okay, that would be reason enough. Just go read it.
He adds even more to the controversy surrounding the Nobel invitation to Yusuf Islam (formerly Cat Stevens) to perform at this year's Peace Prize shindig. Yusuf Islam admits that he supports capital punishment for blasphemers. Some peace train you got there Islam.
Ironically, Yusuf believes that 'the gospels' also call for murdering those that blaspheme. Which is quite absurd. Unless I missed that part about Jesus stoning the blasphemers. Maybe it's somewhere in the back?
There is reason to be dismayed by the Norwegian Nobel Committee's anointing of Yusuf. This is, after all, a man who's been denied entry into America and expelled from Israel.
After the publication of the fatwa against Salman Rushdie, he was quoted in the New York Times as saying that if Mr. Rushdie came to his door for help, "I might ring somebody who might do more damage to him than he would like. I'd try to phone the Ayatollah Khomeini and tell him exactly where this man is."
Perhaps the barring of Yusuf from America and his expulsion from Israel were based on misunderstandings; perhaps he was misquoted on Mr. Rushdie, and perhaps the Jawa Report is mistaken.
But Yusuf's own statements on his own Web site are not so easily dismissed. On that Web site he claims that he "never called for the death of Salman Rushdie; nor backed the Fatwa issued by the Ayatollah Khomeini," even though he feels that Mr. Rushdie's book "The Satanic Verses" "destroyed the harmony between peoples and created an unnecessary international crisis."
But then he adds the following: "When asked about my opinion regarding blasphemy, I could not tell a lie and confirmed that — like both the Torah and the Gospel — the Qur'an considers it, without repentance, as a capital offense. The Bible is full of similar harsh laws if you're looking for them. However, the application of such Biblical and Qur'anic injunctions is not to be outside of due process of law, in a place or land where such law is accepted and applied by the society as a whole."
What does this mean? It means this: Yusuf is not against the idea of Mr. Rushdie being executed for writing a book. He is simply acknowledging that in Britain and other Western countries, the proper Islamic punishments do not apply. Yet.
As they say: at least he's an honest Islamofascist.
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Yikes! A F-16 went down outside of Baghdad. The rocket scientist at ABC
radio just announced that only the pilot was aboard. Whew...glad he
didn't have passengers hanging on to the wings.
Posted by: Randman at November 27, 2006 10:35 AM (Sal3J)
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at November 27, 2006 10:59 AM (vixLB)
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... And I support the use of AC130's to cut through Jihad like a hot knife through butter.
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at November 27, 2006 11:00 AM (vixLB)
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When he says this, ""When asked about my opinion regarding blasphemy,..."
he gives a non-answer. This is not his opinion on blasphemy
itself, but his opinion on how it is, or is not, applied. If he
answers the question, "Do you support Sharia Law?" well, then, we
have a real answer.
Posted by: Oyster at November 27, 2006 11:26 AM (SCVhh)
Moral equivalency -- apparently Yusuf has has learned well from his Leftwing patrons. Is this an example of a "moderate" muslim?
Fortunately he's wrong. The Torah doesn't call for the death of blasphemers nor heretics, nor did Jesus. In fact, if you read the prophets, their main job was to bring the people of Israel back to God whenever they fell away from him (which happenned often). Nowhere did it call for executing hereticss or blasphemers because half of Israel would have been guilty of that!
Re his comments about the "Gospel", he's obviously not read it. Jesus was surrounded by blasphemers at all times, and he allowed himself to be nailed to the cross. That was HIS job. Jesus came to this earth to be humiliated for our sakes, not exalted (unlike Mohammed).
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 27, 2006 11:49 AM (8e/V4)
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I would always defer to any guy named Jesusland, on this subject.
Posted by: Randman at November 27, 2006 12:36 PM (Sal3J)
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Last time we discussed this asshole the defenders of everything different called those of us who questioned his loyality ignorant. Not who is ignorant? Hope you same assholes have something to say concerning your previous comments on this subject.
Posted by: Greyrooster at November 27, 2006 01:39 PM (aghaS)
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You guys are all ignorant son's of behives. Thats all i can say. They say kill you, you say kill them. No difference. Only thing is you hate them more than they hate you.
Posted by: Dumd Whitey at November 27, 2006 01:42 PM (ORzZP)
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those beliefs are mr. yusuf islam's religion, and you have to respect them.
Posted by: salaam at November 27, 2006 01:51 PM (NzayJ)
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Got a few muslim excusists on this topic. You bet I hate islam more than they probably hate me but I'm working on the balance.
Yusuf Islam has no beliefs of value and nothing to offer the world. Death to this liberal flake......and his music is a load of bollocks too.
Posted by: Jester at November 27, 2006 03:31 PM (iwtIO)
11You guys are all ignorant son's of behives. Thats all i can say. They
say kill you, you say kill them. No difference. Only thing is you hate
them more than they hate you.
I think we have a winner for todays moronic moral realitivism statement of the day.
Posted by: Randman at November 27, 2006 03:32 PM (Sal3J)
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Dumd Whitey, you are a moron. That's all I can say. You casually equate us with the terrorists just because we believe the enemy needs to be killed. If we really hated them more than they hate us, maybe they'd be given some pause before they decided to torch another school, bus, or embassy. If they were building schools, buses, greenhouses, and hospitals instead of destroying them we would love them.
Posted by: George guy at November 27, 2006 03:44 PM (eWkFC)
Yusuf said that the koran considers apostasy a capital offense.As a muslim, he does indeed support this barbaric practice, and went on to say that muslim societies should practice it.
He was quite clear on this point, which would make you quite full of crap.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 27, 2006 04:06 PM (bLPT+)
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Comment #9 "you have to respect them" No I don't. The guy's a muslim. The lowest creature on earth. Just like you.
Posted by: Greyrooster at November 27, 2006 05:24 PM (aghaS)
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Exactly grayrooster, we don't have to respect his religion of hate and death, we don't have to like it, and we don't have to put up with it. Personally I don't have to hate it either, anymore than I would have to hate a rabid dog to put it down.
Posted by: Buzzy at November 27, 2006 06:26 PM (CXz7T)
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This is SO not news. I'm feeling a YAWN coming on again...
And *what* kind of newspaper is The Sun, again?
I highly doubt that Yusuf is worried about either the Jawa Report or The Sun. I wouldn't be, if I were him.
He may have been wrong about the Gospels, but I think the point he was trying to make was that blasphemy is not entirely an alien concept.
Anyway... I thinks he's moved on.. which maybe we should do.
Posted by: LD at November 27, 2006 06:48 PM (cCiqp)
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Yes, I understand. But still, isn't this old news? I don't see anything new about it.
Posted by: LD at November 27, 2006 07:01 PM (cCiqp)
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Yes, I understand. But still, isn't this old news? I don't see anything new about it.
[reposted to follow Jesusland's -- which somehow ended up *below* my initial post]
Posted by: LD at November 27, 2006 07:14 PM (cCiqp)
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I still say it's OLD NEWS. OK, I see some people still need to have the last word. Whatever.
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Posted by: LD at November 27, 2006 07:18 PM (cCiqp)
21I think the point he was trying to make was that blasphemy is not entirely an alien concept.
The point WE'RE making is that executing people for blasphemy IS an alien concept and has no place in western society regardless of whether Yusuf says it"s in the Bible (it isn't).
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 27, 2006 07:54 PM (yJKSD)
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"I'm bein' followed by a cruise missile, Cruise missile, cruise missle..."
Posted by: mojo at November 27, 2006 09:10 PM (v3Oz/)
The Sun is the kind of paper that doesn't print absolute bullshit. If it did, it would be the Times.
Cat-shit Stevens meant to let dhimmies know that islam was irrevocable, and that leaving it was a death sentence.
He can never move on because he's a muslim. He's stuck in the seventh century under pain of death.
The only old news I see is assholes like you apologizing for the crimes of islam. Thanks for supporting gang rape, clitoral mutilation, and the slavery of women, scumbag. I hope the next person who escapes the straightjacket of islam kicks your faggoty ass.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 27, 2006 09:53 PM (bLPT+)
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I don't know why you've suddenly decided I'm one of your punching bags,
Jeff, but your constant foul-mouthed attacks on me and others are
completely unnecessary. If you have a point, make it.
Slinging invectives at those around you doesn't serve your argument
well.
My point was that he needs to answer the question more succinctly
rather than just associatively. I'm sorry you missed that.
Perhaps I wasn't clear enough.
Posted by: Oyster at November 28, 2006 07:18 AM (YudAC)
As far as my use of the word "crap" goes, welcome to the real word. I wouldn't want to use a naughty word like "crap" around someone with a nice, repectable screen name like "Oyster," now would I?
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 28, 2006 09:14 PM (bLPT+)
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Here's a Muslim to you. BOOOOOOOOOOOO! I can imagine how you all fill your pants right now. Now go vandalise a Muslim grave, throw a stone at a mosque or something, in order to heal your demented fear of otherness.
Posted by: Muslim at December 02, 2006 01:59 PM (l73rN)
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Here is a proof that Bible orders killing of blasphemers (source www.biblegateway.com):
"Leviticus 24:16 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death."
There you have it. And won't even start on what Jews are supposed to do to non-believers.
Posted by: hab at December 02, 2006 03:39 PM (l73rN)
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Don't those evil white colonialist imperialist oppressors see that they
must get out of the UK if they ever want peace? Just a little land for
peace, what's wrong with that, you racists? Besides, they're white
people; nobody cares about them, and it's so like you racist neocon
rethuglitard Amerikkkanz s to be against muslims anyway just 'cause
you're all gay for Jesus.
/lefturd rant mode
Heh. You sheep know why I'm so dangerous? I do a better job playing the enemy than he does himself. I don't read Sun Tzu and Sun Pin
for the perty pik'chers y'know. A cleansing flood is coming, and many
shall be swept away in it. There shall be none to mourn the dead; only
the living to envy them so much that they rush to join them.
The wolves are hungry.
Now is not a good time to be a sheep.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 14, 2006 08:35 PM (v3I+x)
2"Now is not a good time to be a sheep." -- I.M. Indeed, being a sheep around a country bump-fucker like you would be like being an intern in the Clinton White House.
Posted by: Darth Vag at November 14, 2006 10:42 PM (HSkSw)
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Rusty, I can't get the sound to work on the BBC video.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 14, 2006 10:45 PM (8PoNP)
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Why does Darth continue with his gay sex fantasies?? Why are libtards so consumed with that?
Posted by: Richard H. at November 15, 2006 12:11 AM (/xUS1)
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Dick, nobody said anything about gay. What's on your mind?
Posted by: Darth Vag at November 15, 2006 12:13 AM (HSkSw)
To hell with this... when do I get my Chad Castagna update?! And why do I think that this 39-year-old white guy who lives with his parents isn't particularly unique in these here spaces? Verrrrry interesting.
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HA! Good one Darth Fag; well done! Of course it's funnier coming from the sheep and all. Say BAAAA!!!
And Perfesser Nostril von Moron speaking to himself: If you still live
with your parents, it's none of our concern, and we won't judge you for
being a loser lefturd. Oh, wait... yes we will.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 15, 2006 02:08 AM (v3I+x)
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There is a group of ex spooks working in Britain and around the world called Vigil. They are behind this shocking news piece. They include ex spooks, military guys, academics and others. They work really close with the cops.
They are said to be in every major jihadist organization on eartha nd one of their goals is to see Bin Laden captured. I have heard they have bunkers in London, Panama, Bangkok and Sydney stocked with the latest listening devices and equipment.
I heard this from a man on the inside of the US govt.
Friend or foe?
Best of friends.
Thank God that we have people like these guys brave enough within our ranks to not only shake up the enemy but keep lists of who is who and how we will win.
Thank God they are on our side!
Easier to be scared of them than the enemy.
Posted by: Mark Lister at November 15, 2006 03:03 PM (HY7nf)
Online Recruiting, Inciting of Jihad in Britain: BBC Follows Jawa
The BBC has a new 'investigative' report which concludes that Islamic extremists are using the internet to recruit, train, and incite jihad in the U.K.
Gee, ya think?
Most of what they report is what we've been saying for, I dunno, years. And the specifics? Well, we've been reporting that Shiekh Omar Bakri Mohammed has been leading his followers in Britain from exile for months.
But we do have some news that the BBC still doesn't have or can't release due to British censorship laws. Scroll down for that.
You can watch the BBC story by clicking here (opens page with player)
[UPDATE: Glen e-mails and says that this is BIG NEWS in the U.K. today. Good. He also forwards this link to a much more extensive version of the story. The video runs about 50 minutes. It's worth the watch
Pay attention to the parts where the British government does nothing. Scary.
A banned cleric is still preaching support for terrorism to young British Muslims by appearing incognito on the internet, the BBC has learned.
The joint investigation by File on 4 and Newsnight has found Omar Bakri Mohammed broadcasts hatred for the UK using a variety of pseudonyms.
He was excluded from the UK last August on the grounds that his presence was "not conducive to the public good."
On a recent broadcast he said the 7/7 London bombers were "in paradise."
But, as I told Glen Jenvey-- who is our chief source and who is also a source of the BBC story--when he e-mailed me about this, at least the MSM in Britain is starting to take him seriously.
And speaking of leads supplied to me by Glen Jenvey, he and I have been going back and forth over something else for a few days. Remember Mizanur Rahman? He is the follower of Omar Bakri Mohammed who was just convicted of inciting racital hatred, but who was acquitted of charges of inciting murder.
You'll recall that Mizanur Rahman's arrest came following his involvement in the Danish cartoon protests. At the court hearing, he gave a non-apology apology. The British authorities are now contemplating retrying him.
Well, it seems that while Mizanur Rahman was out of jail on bail, but still on trial, that the 'repentent' Rahman was still chatting with the other brothers in Omar Bakri Mohammed's online group. And what does he say?
If you're in the U.K don't read any further. Why? British censorship laws prohibit publicly airing evidence which might be used at trial. But hell, I'm not in the U.K. Oh, and screw censorship! So, read on.more...
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Rusty, can I say I am proud to know you. What a great job of doing work that journalists should be doing, rather than changing cut lines on photos. And you receive no pay other than the gratitude of Americans and others who know what a great job you are doing. Thanks to you and other bloggers for what you do. Were it not for people like you I'm afraid the misdeeds of these radical Islamists would not come to light.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 14, 2006 06:12 PM (8PoNP)
Cat Stevens (Yusuf Islam) Sings Praises of Taliban?
A reader dropped this link in the comments. It is supposed to be Cat Stevens (aka, Yusuf Islam) singing the praises of the Taliban in Afghanistan.
You can listen to it by clicking here. It's called Afghanistan: The Land of Islam.
I'd love for somebody to debunk it. I just don't have the time right now for extensive Google searching. The brief Google search that I did seems to indicate that Yusuf Islam really did write and perform the song about 'the land of the free'....you know, Taliban Afghanistan.
I want to believe that Cat Stevens is just a dupe who didn't really support terrorism. That he's like the millions of Muslims around the world that gives to charities and doesn't really know that the money is going to terrorists.
UPDATE II: I've done some more Google searching. From what I gather, the song was written by Yusuf Islam, but never recorded by him. Also, at least one Islamic website claims the Islam wrote the piece after the invasion of Afghanistan by the Soviet Union.
So, giving him the benefit of the doubt, the mujahidin that he is praising are anti-Soviets, ie our former allies. Some of whom became the Northern Alliance....others, well, you know who they became-
Posted by: Sulayman at November 13, 2006 04:19 PM (1j6fM)
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The anecdote for Cat Stevens "Peace Train" is The Housemartins cover of Jasper Isley's "Caravan of Love." Like a fresh glass of water on a hot summer day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhPNkilckWk
Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at November 13, 2006 04:24 PM (bF+Yg)
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Yeah.... that's him. He was just a bit over-
zealous back then, sure.
**OLD** news.... So, what?
YAWN....
Yea, Yusuf's new album!!
Posted by: LD at November 13, 2006 05:28 PM (cCiqp)
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David Benn phucked in ass by one too many goats...
"ba bye" - WTF!!!!!????
Posted by: Max Power at November 13, 2006 05:49 PM (PM8kH)
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 13, 2006 06:02 PM (8PoNP)
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This is from the early 80's when the Russians were in Afghanistan and the Americans and everybody with them was pumping millions into supporting the "freedom fighters". And please get your facts straight next time...the Talibaan didn't exist then, they came much later when the Russians had been whipped. So please don't even tell me you're using this to say Cat is supporting terroists.
Posted by: Faisal Arif at November 14, 2006 12:32 AM (w/zWS)
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Max Power you seem to a a very well educated man:
"David Benn phucked in ass by one too many goats..."
This website is a joke. Run by jokes for jokes who don't want to seem to get there facts right becuase they have tunnel vision. So carry on attacking the people who want peace, becuase that is what it seems your purpose in life is. Good luck to you couch potatoes, arm chair critics. I'm sure Max Power will have something derogatory to say back to me...or one of his elite friends..
david
Posted by: David Benn at November 14, 2006 01:28 AM (398Sm)
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This song was made around in 1985, a decade
before the Taliban were created. Almost
everybody opposed the war at the time.
Yusuf wrote and sang this song back then when
all the media including including Hollywood
were pushing the anti-soviet soviet message.
Films like Rambo 3 were Rambo goes
to Afghanistan and befriends the Muhjahideen
etc. Should we now say Hollywood supports the Taliban ?.
In your quest to ridicule Cat Stevens you are
ignoring and distorting history.
Stop the hating. Hate only begets hate.
Posted by: Tiaq at November 14, 2006 04:06 AM (b8EdG)
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Might explain the reason why Cat Stevens was on the "no fly" list a few years back:
He used to hang out with Abdel-Rahman? Jesus, what a loser.
Posted by: MidnightSun at November 14, 2006 05:57 AM (z1xCE)
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"Should we now say that Hollywood supports the Taliban"....by Tiaq.
Good question. It sure seems so. Maybe you better ask them.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 14, 2006 10:02 AM (8PoNP)
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Don't know if he is singing in this not. If he is he's lost his voice. Don't matter. He's a piece of shit anyway.
Posted by: Greyrooster at November 14, 2006 10:38 AM (uLSfm)
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Cat Stevens or Yusuf Islam sang that at a time when the Afghanistan fighters were supported by the USA themselves against the Russians.!!
Posted by: abu at November 14, 2006 11:51 AM (KbvZN)
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American government are in no position to tell anyone who is good or bad anymore. We can all see what a mess they have made around their world with their lies and half truths. So lets not even go there.
CNN...Its not the first time they have reported lies is it.
Long live bush
Posted by: Tiaq at November 14, 2006 01:24 PM (SjyrP)
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American government are in no position to tell anyone who is good or bad anymore. We can all see what a mess they have made around their world with their lies and half truths. So lets not even go there.
CNN...Its not the first time they have reported lies is it.
Long live bush
Posted by: Tiaq at November 14, 2006 01:25 PM (SjyrP)
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I'd say that is absolutely NOT the voice of Cat (Yusuf) Stevens singing that song- in fact it's not even REMOTELY similar to his voice in any way. You don't need to do any Googling to come to that obvious conclusion, either.
The song concludes with a series of gunshots. This is obviously a recording of the Taliban equivalent of "American Idol," where the judges just shoot the bad contestants at the end of their songs.
Posted by: Uncle Ian at November 14, 2006 05:34 PM (cx9KC)
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He was one of those who said that SALMOND RUSHDE should die for writting that book THE SATANIC VERSES
Posted by: sandpiper at November 16, 2006 05:11 PM (O2c+K)
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All muslims are backward assholes. Even the ones that can sing.
Posted by: Greyrooster at November 17, 2006 12:24 AM (R6qo5)