August 17, 2006
Celebrities Denounce Hizb'Allah and Hamas???
A group of 85 high-profile Hollywood stars, directors, studio bosses and media moguls, has taken out a powerfully-worded full page advertisement in today's Los Angeles Times:
We the undersigned are pained and devastated by the civilian casualties in Israel and Lebanon caused by terrorist actions initiated by terrorist organisations such as Hezbollah and Hamas ...I'm speechless.If we do not succeed in stopping terrorism around the world, chaos will rule and innocent people will continue to die.
We need to support democratic societies and stop terrorism at all costs.
Props to Wizbang and Riehl World View.
Cross-posted to The Sammenhold Blog.
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As expected I didn't see the following names: Brad Pitt, George Clooney, Angelina Jolie, Tom Cruise, Mel Gibson. Any others?
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at August 17, 2006 02:08 AM (gLMre)
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Its nice to see something positive from hollywood. I reckon Hell just had a cold snap.
Posted by: JeepThang at August 17, 2006 07:48 AM (yZQoS)
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BTW, Howie.. please disregard my email.
I saw this on Smooth Stone's blog last night and was anxious for this item to get out more.
I saw this on Smooth Stone's blog last night and was anxious for this item to get out more.
Posted by: JeepThang at August 17, 2006 07:50 AM (yZQoS)
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In any statistitcal survey, it's important to throw out anomalies, which is what this is. Hollywood is never going to change until we stop buying tickets to see movies that are made by America-hating scum.
I noticed James Woods' name on that list, which didn't surprise me, because he's probably the last patriot in Hollywood, which also explains why he doesn't get much work these days.
I noticed James Woods' name on that list, which didn't surprise me, because he's probably the last patriot in Hollywood, which also explains why he doesn't get much work these days.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 17, 2006 08:55 AM (v3I+x)
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I thought that was a good show of support for what America and it's few true allies are doing, especially the last line, "We need to support democratic societies and stop terrorism AT ALL COSTS". Bravo to these true believers in freedom to have the guts to stand up and proclaim this in liberal biased Hollywood. Although I would have thought that Gerald McRaney and Tom Selleck would have jumped to have been signatories to this.
Posted by: memphis761 at August 17, 2006 10:10 AM (D3+20)
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As Adam Sandler once sang, "So many Jews are in show biz..." Makes me wonder how long Hollywood will remain lefty, given the recent rise in anti-Semitism on that end of the spectrum.
Posted by: Northern Cross at August 17, 2006 10:11 AM (7vz05)
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Liberal Jews are fucking hypocrites.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at August 17, 2006 10:26 AM (8e/V4)
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Pigs fly.
Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at August 17, 2006 10:42 AM (up9HT)
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I'm still waiting for that asshole Baldwin to move to another country if Bush wins the election.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 17, 2006 10:57 AM (jgE7Y)
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Good on them.
Finally some people with brains and their hearts on the right place.
The world should realise where the terror comes from: Islam.
Hamas & Hezbollah AND Iran = Islam.
Check where Muslims kill:
There's Iraq [where Muslims kill Muslims] AND
India and the Sudan and Algeria and Afghanistan and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Ingushetia and Dagestan and Turkey and Kabardino-Balkaria and Morocco and Yemen and Lebanon and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Iran and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Germany and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Scotland and Chad and Canada and...
This ought to stop.
I praise the Hollywood stars for their courage to step out of the [has-been] trendy and stupid-think of blaming ordinary [Western] citizens and put the responsibility where it lies: At the Islam-fascists.
Here, in the Netherlands, we had a movie-director - Theo van Gogh - critizising Islam.
He was butchered in broad daylight by a muslim, while driving his bike in Amsterdam.
I hope Nicole Kidman and her brave colleagues stay safe.
You rock, Nicole.
Love from Amsterdam.
Finally some people with brains and their hearts on the right place.
The world should realise where the terror comes from: Islam.
Hamas & Hezbollah AND Iran = Islam.
Check where Muslims kill:
There's Iraq [where Muslims kill Muslims] AND
India and the Sudan and Algeria and Afghanistan and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Ingushetia and Dagestan and Turkey and Kabardino-Balkaria and Morocco and Yemen and Lebanon and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Iran and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Germany and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Scotland and Chad and Canada and...
This ought to stop.
I praise the Hollywood stars for their courage to step out of the [has-been] trendy and stupid-think of blaming ordinary [Western] citizens and put the responsibility where it lies: At the Islam-fascists.
Here, in the Netherlands, we had a movie-director - Theo van Gogh - critizising Islam.
He was butchered in broad daylight by a muslim, while driving his bike in Amsterdam.
I hope Nicole Kidman and her brave colleagues stay safe.
You rock, Nicole.
Love from Amsterdam.
Posted by: GJ Klaver at August 18, 2006 12:05 AM (E4QqL)
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hoe gives a fuck about all deze fony ,drug addict,suisidal,lonely,fruit and dyke ,unhappy miserable,paranoid,brain washing,zionist,fake,vermins of hollywood!hollywood that made americans live in a consumers fake world and illusion ,maan !the world is starting to realise that the united states of banana republic is the cause of all problems in the world ( goverement,the right hatmongers and the unsucessful murderes satanic neocons)2the scare tactics ,war on terror tricks(war of terror),the free world slogan ,demon-cracy big myth( since it stopt existing in the us) oooooh how ironic. its all getting FISHY deze fucking hate mongers (like you) are a bunch of thugs and thieves .its a sekt ( read also insects),deze child molesting laiers and their cheap ,immoral,hypocrit media machine(fox lies- cnn.conned ....) aaah vaumiting, ARE brainwashin americans and the rest of the world but not for long any more,and creating an enemy and blame others.News that the United States has been voted off the UN Human Rights Commission and the UN international drug monitoring board has elicited vows of revenge from conservatives in Congress. They threaten to withhold payment on the long-unpaid dues owed the UN. They blame your adversaries--China, Cuba, Sudan and others--for the insult. But the secret votes enabled allies as well as adversaries to vent their mounting exasperation with US policies. At the last session of the commission, the United States stood virtually alone as it opposed resolutions supporting lower-cost access to HIV/AIDS drugs, acknowledging a human right to adequate food and calling for a moratorium on the death penalty, while it continued to resist efforts to ban landmines.
The global outrage is by no means limited to US policies on the Human Rights Commission. In barely 100 days in office, the Bush Administration has declared the Kyoto accords on global warming dead, spurning eight years of work by 186 countries. It banned US support for any global organization that provides family planning or abortion services, even as an AIDS pandemic makes this a matter of life and death. It bade farewell to the antiballistic missile treaty, while slashing spending on nuclear safety aid for Russia. It casually bombed Iraq, helped shoot down a missionary's plane over Peru and enforced an illegal and irrational boycott of Cuba. It sabotaged promising talks between North and South Korea, publicly humiliating South Korea's Nobel prizewinning president, Kim Dae Jung. The nomination as UN ambassador of John Negroponte, former proconsul in Honduras during the illegal contra wars, is an insult. "There is a perception," said one diplomat in carefully parsed words, "that the US wants to go it alone."
your lawless exceptionalism is a deeply rooted, bipartisan policy that didn't begin with the Bush Administration. Under previous Presidents, Democratic and Republican, Washington denounced state-sponsored terrorism while reserving the right to bomb a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan or unleash a contra army on Nicaragua. It condemned Iraq for invading Kuwait while reserving the right to invade Panama or bomb Serbia on its own writ. The United States advocated war crimes tribunals against foreign miscreants abroad while opposing an international criminal court that might hold your own officials accountable. your leaders proclaim the value of law and democracy as they spurn the UN Security Council and ignore the World Court when their rulings don't suit them. The Senate refuses to ratify basic human rights treaties. The US international business community even opposes efforts to eliminate child labor. And of course, there are those UN dues, which make you the world's largest deadbeat.
What is incomprehensible to me is that the US media, despite all the warnings of recent past history, despite the bloodshed, death, suffering, and economic losses inflicted by Bush wars I and II, is STILL, right on cue, promoting Bush war III.
Worse is yet to come. US policy is a direct reflection of its militarization and the belief that we police the world, we make the rules. The Bush Administration plans a major increase in military spending to finance new weapons to expand the US ability to "project" force around the globe--stealth bombers, drones, long-range missiles and worse. The tightly strung Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld sounds increasingly like an out-of-date Dr. Strangelove as he pushes to open a new military front in space, shattering hopes of keeping the heavens a zone of peace.
As the hyperpower, with interests around the world, America has the largest stake in law and legitimacy. But the ingrained assumption that we are legislator, judge, jury and executioner mocks any notion of global order. From the laws of war to the laws of trade, it is increasingly clear that Washington believes international law applies only to the weak. The weak do what they must; the United States does what it will.
After the cold war, we labeled our potential adversaries "rogue nations"--violent, lawless, willing to trample the weak and ignore international law and morality to enforce their will. Now, in the vote at the UN, in the headlines of papers across Europe, in the planning of countries large and small, there is a growing consensus that the world's most destructive rogue nation is the most powerful country of them all.
This is not a role most Americans support. Public interest groups and concerned individuals will vigorously remind Congress of the widespread popular backing in this country for paying our UN dues, for global AIDS funding and other forms of international involvement. Unilateralism must be opposed in all its guises, from national missile "defense" to undermining efforts to curb global warming. The United States was founded on a decent respect for the opinions of mankind. Let's keep it that way.
The global outrage is by no means limited to US policies on the Human Rights Commission. In barely 100 days in office, the Bush Administration has declared the Kyoto accords on global warming dead, spurning eight years of work by 186 countries. It banned US support for any global organization that provides family planning or abortion services, even as an AIDS pandemic makes this a matter of life and death. It bade farewell to the antiballistic missile treaty, while slashing spending on nuclear safety aid for Russia. It casually bombed Iraq, helped shoot down a missionary's plane over Peru and enforced an illegal and irrational boycott of Cuba. It sabotaged promising talks between North and South Korea, publicly humiliating South Korea's Nobel prizewinning president, Kim Dae Jung. The nomination as UN ambassador of John Negroponte, former proconsul in Honduras during the illegal contra wars, is an insult. "There is a perception," said one diplomat in carefully parsed words, "that the US wants to go it alone."
your lawless exceptionalism is a deeply rooted, bipartisan policy that didn't begin with the Bush Administration. Under previous Presidents, Democratic and Republican, Washington denounced state-sponsored terrorism while reserving the right to bomb a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan or unleash a contra army on Nicaragua. It condemned Iraq for invading Kuwait while reserving the right to invade Panama or bomb Serbia on its own writ. The United States advocated war crimes tribunals against foreign miscreants abroad while opposing an international criminal court that might hold your own officials accountable. your leaders proclaim the value of law and democracy as they spurn the UN Security Council and ignore the World Court when their rulings don't suit them. The Senate refuses to ratify basic human rights treaties. The US international business community even opposes efforts to eliminate child labor. And of course, there are those UN dues, which make you the world's largest deadbeat.
What is incomprehensible to me is that the US media, despite all the warnings of recent past history, despite the bloodshed, death, suffering, and economic losses inflicted by Bush wars I and II, is STILL, right on cue, promoting Bush war III.
Worse is yet to come. US policy is a direct reflection of its militarization and the belief that we police the world, we make the rules. The Bush Administration plans a major increase in military spending to finance new weapons to expand the US ability to "project" force around the globe--stealth bombers, drones, long-range missiles and worse. The tightly strung Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld sounds increasingly like an out-of-date Dr. Strangelove as he pushes to open a new military front in space, shattering hopes of keeping the heavens a zone of peace.
As the hyperpower, with interests around the world, America has the largest stake in law and legitimacy. But the ingrained assumption that we are legislator, judge, jury and executioner mocks any notion of global order. From the laws of war to the laws of trade, it is increasingly clear that Washington believes international law applies only to the weak. The weak do what they must; the United States does what it will.
After the cold war, we labeled our potential adversaries "rogue nations"--violent, lawless, willing to trample the weak and ignore international law and morality to enforce their will. Now, in the vote at the UN, in the headlines of papers across Europe, in the planning of countries large and small, there is a growing consensus that the world's most destructive rogue nation is the most powerful country of them all.
This is not a role most Americans support. Public interest groups and concerned individuals will vigorously remind Congress of the widespread popular backing in this country for paying our UN dues, for global AIDS funding and other forms of international involvement. Unilateralism must be opposed in all its guises, from national missile "defense" to undermining efforts to curb global warming. The United States was founded on a decent respect for the opinions of mankind. Let's keep it that way.
Posted by: Barking dogs dont bite at August 18, 2006 10:26 PM (uMa6H)
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The United States was founded on a decent respect for the opinions of mankind.
Your entire screed could have been summed up in that one incorrect statement instead of the pixel-flood that nobody is going to read in its entirety. The US was founded on respect for the ideals that are the pillars of Western civilization, such as the worth of the individual, our inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and self-determination, but idiots like you think that we should "respect" the opinions of those who want to see us dead. You are an idiot and a traitor, and deserve nothing more than a bullet to the head, because you cannot see the difference between us and our enemies. Or maybe you can, and you prefer our enemies to us. Fine then, go strap on a suicide vest and have at it you socialist piece of shit.
Your entire screed could have been summed up in that one incorrect statement instead of the pixel-flood that nobody is going to read in its entirety. The US was founded on respect for the ideals that are the pillars of Western civilization, such as the worth of the individual, our inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and self-determination, but idiots like you think that we should "respect" the opinions of those who want to see us dead. You are an idiot and a traitor, and deserve nothing more than a bullet to the head, because you cannot see the difference between us and our enemies. Or maybe you can, and you prefer our enemies to us. Fine then, go strap on a suicide vest and have at it you socialist piece of shit.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 19, 2006 10:09 AM (v3I+x)
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Barking dog: Why don't you bite on a valium?
Posted by: GJ Klaver at August 19, 2006 02:01 PM (E4QqL)
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I sent this article to the DRUDGEREPORT
( www.drudgereport.com )
several times, but they won't run it ???
Drudge reports on a lady with 168 cats in
Florida and what John Mark Karr had for
dinner on his flight from Thailand.
DRUDGE: "WHAT'S GOING ON ???????????"
However....a Google search on:
"we the undersigned are pained"
yields 15,400 hits.
Perhaps 168 cats know something we don't know ?
( www.drudgereport.com )
several times, but they won't run it ???
Drudge reports on a lady with 168 cats in
Florida and what John Mark Karr had for
dinner on his flight from Thailand.
DRUDGE: "WHAT'S GOING ON ???????????"
However....a Google search on:
"we the undersigned are pained"
yields 15,400 hits.
Perhaps 168 cats know something we don't know ?
Posted by: Chuck McClellan at August 22, 2006 11:35 AM (yh4cf)
August 15, 2006
"he spotless history of Islamic civilization"
In response to President Bush's denunciation of "Islamic fascists," the Saudi government has warned against "hurling charges of terrorism and fascism at Muslims without regard to the spotless history of Islamic civilization."
Previous:
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Bush (Finally) Names the Enemy
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HAhahaha!! Spotless!! HAhahaha!
Posted by: DirtCrashr at August 15, 2006 12:09 PM (VNM5w)
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The only reason the muslims can get away with lying is because nobody is willing to say BULLSHIT to their faces.
Posted by: Impobulus Maximus at August 15, 2006 12:47 PM (v3I+x)
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Maybe they are all crazy! No one sane here would ever dare say the same for western civilization.
Posted by: hondo at August 15, 2006 01:28 PM (XrexX)
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Yeah, like centuries of slavery in Africa, massacres of entire populations in western India, and the destruction of the Byzantine empire.
Try again.
Try again.
Posted by: mojo at August 15, 2006 02:58 PM (8FToK)
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Another idiot liberal opens his mouth and shoots himself in the foot.
Mojo, I know it has to hurt to be that stupid. Hondo was actually trying to say that nobody here would claim that Western civilization had a perfect track record, but you, in all your lefturd glory, couldn't quite catch it.
Mojo, I know it has to hurt to be that stupid. Hondo was actually trying to say that nobody here would claim that Western civilization had a perfect track record, but you, in all your lefturd glory, couldn't quite catch it.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 15, 2006 04:54 PM (v3I+x)
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IM, I assume mojo was citing examples of Islamic - not western - "blemishes," in response to the Saudis, not Hondo.
Posted by: wooga at August 15, 2006 05:17 PM (tAB8A)
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Damn. You're right wooga. I'm sorry mojo, I was looking for a lefturd to jump on, jumped the gun, and landed on you by mistake. Call me an asshole, because I deserve it.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 15, 2006 05:24 PM (v3I+x)
Posted by: hondo at August 15, 2006 05:26 PM (XrexX)
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If by spotless you mean
a) Genocide of the Beni Quraizah and sale of their women and children into slavery at the hands of their prophet himself,
b) Destruction of the Egpytian civilization and turning it into an Arab-Muslim country,
c) Destruction of the Phoenician civilization and turning it into an Arab-Muslim country
d) Destruction of the Carthagian civilization and turning it into another Arab-Muslim country
e) Mass murder of Iranians who refused to give up their own pure faith of "Good Thought, Good Words and Good Deeds" for the sake of the whorehouse of the Islamic paradise. And subjecting Iranian people to two centuries of direct military brutality and 12 centuries of subsequent idealogical torment and oppression,
f) Attempted destruction of Spain and subjecting its people to nearly a century of warfare.
g) Mass murder of Americans and 9/11
Then yes, I suppose Islam is "spotless".
a) Genocide of the Beni Quraizah and sale of their women and children into slavery at the hands of their prophet himself,
b) Destruction of the Egpytian civilization and turning it into an Arab-Muslim country,
c) Destruction of the Phoenician civilization and turning it into an Arab-Muslim country
d) Destruction of the Carthagian civilization and turning it into another Arab-Muslim country
e) Mass murder of Iranians who refused to give up their own pure faith of "Good Thought, Good Words and Good Deeds" for the sake of the whorehouse of the Islamic paradise. And subjecting Iranian people to two centuries of direct military brutality and 12 centuries of subsequent idealogical torment and oppression,
f) Attempted destruction of Spain and subjecting its people to nearly a century of warfare.
g) Mass murder of Americans and 9/11
Then yes, I suppose Islam is "spotless".
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at August 15, 2006 06:59 PM (Bp6wV)
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Did they ever actually talk about the history of islam? or was this one of those, "Oh yea, well, the Pope had kids one" , kind of arguments?
Posted by: SeeMonk at August 15, 2006 07:16 PM (n4VvM)
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To a Muslim a spotless history is the murder, rape, pillaging, enslavement and looting of every civilization to be unfortunate enough to be within their reach. Using that definition, their record is indeed spotless.
Posted by: jesusland joe at August 15, 2006 07:33 PM (rUyw4)
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Of course, they get away with this because history is written by the victors and once they get a hold of some land, heads start rolling. Who will dare speak otherwise?
Posted by: Ernie Oporto at August 15, 2006 08:20 PM (WvUov)
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I've been a little tense lately, what with stupid being the new smart and all. I need to take some time off and spend a few days in the mountains to get my head clear, and find a good place to build a bunker complex.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 15, 2006 09:35 PM (v3I+x)
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A bunker with pool, and hot tub. Fully stocked with a lot of fine wine, and Foster's Bitter beer. Fruit trees, and grape vines also. Mine has to be that nice because I am getting older, and I have a wife.
P.S. Ammo, and weapons are in there too, and maybe some dogs, and...
P.S. Ammo, and weapons are in there too, and maybe some dogs, and...
Posted by: Leatherneck at August 15, 2006 10:27 PM (D2g/j)
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My wife specified that she wants a clear field of fire and triple concertina at the perimeter, with lots of tangelfoot.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 15, 2006 10:38 PM (v3I+x)
Posted by: The All Seeing Eye at August 15, 2006 10:59 PM (JBdud)
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I don't know about you guys - but if everything ever when to hell in a handbasket - I'd be more inclined to a beachhouse in Costa Rica - Pacific Coast up north. I will have a flagpole with the Stars & Stripes on my front porch - and one of those big white wicker chairs with me in it in a nice baggy white shirt & pants and a Panama hat sippin' a Pepsi.
"Is it cold enough for you Patron?"
"Yes Miguel - it is cold n' sweet"
"Is it cold enough for you Patron?"
"Yes Miguel - it is cold n' sweet"
Posted by: hondo at August 15, 2006 11:54 PM (XrexX)
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Mojo's comment could equally be about the Europeans or Muslims, unfortunately. It all depends on what period of time you're talking about (euros did all that stuff but the india massacres first...in that regard they followed the muslims).
PS. If things collapse I'll take a nice place in a more stable Central American country like Costa Rica and build a huge bunker complex beneath it. It'll have a bunch of pop up guns like the Sweeds had in WWII, but they'll all be automated so I can remote control them without offering breaching access to the bunker.
PS. If things collapse I'll take a nice place in a more stable Central American country like Costa Rica and build a huge bunker complex beneath it. It'll have a bunch of pop up guns like the Sweeds had in WWII, but they'll all be automated so I can remote control them without offering breaching access to the bunker.
Posted by: Ranba Ral at August 16, 2006 08:17 AM (zjZWE)
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Costa Rica? Screw that; I wanna stay close so I can collect trophies.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 16, 2006 09:20 AM (v3I+x)
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Get your own freakin' country Ranba Ral! don't be messin' up my beautiful beach and rainforest vision with sealed bunkers with automated guns and shit! You wanna live in a freakin' hole in the ground - buld it in New Jersey!
Posted by: hondo at August 16, 2006 09:58 AM (XrexX)
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Hondo, it'd be concealed stuff...like I said, like the sweeds did in WWII. I'd live in the house above ground until something went down locally.
Posted by: Ranba Ral at August 16, 2006 11:08 AM (zjZWE)
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Hondo: Already have that place in Costa Rica. No guns though. Don't need them. Unbelieveable fishing. San Jose is a great place if you bring money with you. Stay on the beach or in a bar. The west side has all types of biting creepy things. Fer-de-lance, bush masters, etc. And everyone speaks English, and Italian, and German, and Spanish. So many Germans immigrants from 40/50 years ago in makes one wonder.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 16, 2006 11:26 AM (vCjBd)
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Concealed? I don't give a damn! Go build your hole somewhere else. The only thing going down there is a nice cold drink and .... I ain't goin' there ... ask JJ.
Now greyrooster clearly appreciates and knows.
Now greyrooster clearly appreciates and knows.
Posted by: hondo at August 16, 2006 11:39 AM (XrexX)
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Islam's history isn't spotless. But no religion in the world is spotless. Christians during the crusades massacred tens of thousands of Muslims and Jews. The Spanish Inquisition killed thousands of non-Christians. So before you go about saying how horrible Islam's history, take a look at your religion's history first. Then talk. Woodstock 2009!
Posted by: Some Dude at August 16, 2006 01:35 PM (Iq9PC)
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Yes but Christians don't claim it's spotless. And also those practices cannot stand the teachings of Jesus. So we improved. However the same cannot be said about Islam. It is still the same and does not contradict his teachings. And to hang on Christians responsiblilty for actions under the old covenant is unfair. We only study the old testament as historical. That covenant has passed away.
Posted by: Howie at August 16, 2006 01:50 PM (YdcZ0)
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Some dude: I think the important thing is today. The past will not hurt my grand children. Christians grew out of that behavior 500 years ago. Muslims are practising that behavior now. The point is can we allow these 500 years behind types practice now? The answer is no. We are no longer playing with spears.
That he did it first crap is what little kids do.
SO GROW THE FUCK UP.
That he did it first crap is what little kids do.
SO GROW THE FUCK UP.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 16, 2006 02:04 PM (vCjBd)
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I don't care who did what when, because anything that doesn't directly affect the life of any person present today doesn't matter. What does matter, however, is that muslims are murderous, uncivilized scum who seek the enslavement and death of innocent people. They must all be exterminated.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 16, 2006 02:54 PM (v3I+x)
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Some dude
It was clearly noted way up front that no one here would make that same stupid argument/statement about Western civilization being spotless. Your a bit late with your "but" argument, so please concentrate your apologist agrument for islam on why they are spotless you idiot.
It was clearly noted way up front that no one here would make that same stupid argument/statement about Western civilization being spotless. Your a bit late with your "but" argument, so please concentrate your apologist agrument for islam on why they are spotless you idiot.
Posted by: hondo at August 16, 2006 05:08 PM (XrexX)
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maxie
Trophies? TROPHIES! Damn man! If it ever goes down greyrooster n' I will have to rent a chopper to evac you ass (kickin' n' bitchin' if we have to) down to Costa Rica.
YOU WILL sit by the fire on the beach at night sippin' margaritas n' smokin' fine cuban cigars while greyrooster grills up a swordfish - and YOU WILL like it!
You can sublet your bunker to some local liberals - give them a place to hide & and wonder why it all went wrong - a leave them a gun just in case they decide to eat a bullet.
The only trophies will be on the scales at Miguel's Marina and in that beachclub down the way with the tiki lights, fine food & drink and Conchita singing some beautiful latin love songs accompanied by a classic 12 string guitar.
The ultimate truth in life - the best revenge IS living well!
JJ JC & some of the others can join us later once they get their hands on a boat - and sail away.
Trophies? TROPHIES! Damn man! If it ever goes down greyrooster n' I will have to rent a chopper to evac you ass (kickin' n' bitchin' if we have to) down to Costa Rica.
YOU WILL sit by the fire on the beach at night sippin' margaritas n' smokin' fine cuban cigars while greyrooster grills up a swordfish - and YOU WILL like it!
You can sublet your bunker to some local liberals - give them a place to hide & and wonder why it all went wrong - a leave them a gun just in case they decide to eat a bullet.
The only trophies will be on the scales at Miguel's Marina and in that beachclub down the way with the tiki lights, fine food & drink and Conchita singing some beautiful latin love songs accompanied by a classic 12 string guitar.
The ultimate truth in life - the best revenge IS living well!
JJ JC & some of the others can join us later once they get their hands on a boat - and sail away.
Posted by: hondo at August 16, 2006 05:30 PM (XrexX)
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Hell Hondo, I'm not leaving when the fun starts; I'm going hunting, and if there are any liberals at my place, they'll either be eunuchs, (I know, liberal and eunuch together is a redundancy), who serve as forced labor and live off my table scraps, or a few comely lefturd lasses to entertain my loyal minions once they're boiled down and had their legs and pits shaved - the lasses, not the minions. And once a week, the muslim-hunt and pig-roast.
That's my version of living well.
That's my version of living well.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 16, 2006 10:57 PM (v3I+x)
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Maxie
You really are out of your mind my friend. You really do belong in a Capital One commercial - n' sitting next to me in the VA shrink's office.
You really are out of your mind my friend. You really do belong in a Capital One commercial - n' sitting next to me in the VA shrink's office.
Posted by: hondo at August 17, 2006 01:14 AM (XrexX)
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SomeDude: Someday I hope you realize that the dark side sucks. Jedis have all the fun. I didn't set the world up that way. God did. For muslimes to hate me, they must hate God. If God didn't want it that way. It wouldn't be that way. Or so the Islamic mind goes.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 17, 2006 08:14 AM (W1CgA)
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I know I'm crazy Hondo; I have paranoid delusions that medieval savages are trying to kill innocent people and take over the world, and that there are many among us, some are friends and neighbors, (lOok, TheRE's OnE! Heee'S Mo-WinG H-h-h-h-Is gRasS!), who are actively aiding them, and most others are blissfully oblivious to everything that's happening. Maybe I should take a happy pill, relax, and watch American Idol.
Honestly, I feel like Roddy Piper in Them, but there aren't enough sunglasses to go around. I do, however, feel like chewing gum and kicking ass, and I'm all out of gum.
By the way, www.aimsurplus.com has the best prices on ammo that I've found.
Honestly, I feel like Roddy Piper in Them, but there aren't enough sunglasses to go around. I do, however, feel like chewing gum and kicking ass, and I'm all out of gum.
By the way, www.aimsurplus.com has the best prices on ammo that I've found.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 18, 2006 09:40 AM (v3I+x)
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You're quite right, Walter Pater is the only justification for Mona Lisa.
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August 14, 2006
Does "Diversity" Trump Truth in News Reporting?
I've noticed what appears to me to be a trend in modern news reporting. It seems that actual "details" of a news story are becoming ever more difficult to come by. "Men" and "women" are often conflated to "individuals". "Terrorists" have become "soldiers", "fighters" or "militants". Terror groups are "militant groups" or "political groups". Individuals of a given nationality are defined by their continent of origin rather than their country. Details portraying particular groups in a negative light are often simply omitted. If this keeps up, we won't need news reporters for much longer, just a few stock MAD-LIB templates. Every news story about a terror ring, for example, pretty much condenses to the following:
[INSERT CITY HERE]--Authorities have announced that one or more individuals are suspected of causing, or planning, [INSERT VAGUE EVENT DESCRIPTION]. Authorities emphasize that the suspects come from the "broad strata of society" and were not identified through the use of any profiling techniques whatsoever.As of today, I'm not sure we've gone quite that far, but it wouldn't surprise me to see edits like these come back from an editor's desk:Authorities emphasize that there are no links between the suspects and any known international political group. Authorities further emphasize that this event does not constitute "terrorism". It is not known at this time whether all individuals involved in the causation or planning have been detained or questioned by authorities, but authorities are confident that all future suspects will also be found across the "broad strata of society". The authorities continue to investigate the event or events, and the details of the planning, and may have additional details to provide as the investigation develops.
In related news, a group of Asian religious leaders has expressed its confidence that the detained individuals are innocent of all charges and are the victims of an Asian 'witch-hunt' because of their ethnicity. The group has roundly and unequivocally condemned "undeserved, unjustified, unwarranted, immoral violence against blameless, innocent, moral people everywhere", but notes that, while the individuals in question are innocent, actions of this type would be "an understandable by-product of the alienation brought on by Mr. [PRESIDENT'S NAME]'s aggressive and punitive foreign policy initiatives". The group also warns of an inevitable "backlash" against individuals of Asian descent.
The FBI said Monday it
had no information to indicatedid not believe that the threePalestinianmenAsian individuals arrested withabout 1,000multiple cell phones in theirvanvehicle had any direct connection to knownterroristpolitical groups.Authorities had increased patrols on Michigan's 5-mile-long Mackinac Bridge after local prosecutors said investigators believed the
menindividuals weretargetingphotographing the span.Local authorities didn't say what they believed the
menindividuals intended to do with the phones, but they noted that prepaid cell phonescan be untraceable and used as detonatorsprovide enhanced security and privacy for individuals offended by Bush's highly-controversial warrantless wiretapping program.The FBI issued a news release Monday saying there is no "imminent threat" to the bridge linking Michigan's upper and lower peninsulas. The term 'imminent threat' is often invoked in connection with the non-existent weapons of mass destruction alleged by the White House to have been possessed by Saddam Hussein. The release also said the FBI
had no information indicatingdid not believe that themenindividuals,PalestinianAsian-Americans living in Texas, had any direct links to any knownterroristpolitical groups or to the alleged "plot" tobombdiverttrans-Atlantic jetlinersvehicles that was announced inLondonEurope last week by the government of Tony Blair, who has been described as a "staunch apologist" for Mr. Bush's "war on terror", which has often been described by military officers as a "mess" and a "quagmire", particularly in Iraq, where almost 3,000 American soldiers have died, including Casey Sheehan, whose mother, Cindy Sheehan, has, along with many others, accused Mr. Bush of "war crimes" and has camped out near his ranch on a hunger strike seeking a meeting with Mr. Bush.
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How about -
"Some people killed some other people, for reasons of their own."
Seems to cover the bases - might as well fire the journalists.
(sorry if this comes up twice, but my first attempt seems to have been lost behind the sofa)
"Some people killed some other people, for reasons of their own."
Seems to cover the bases - might as well fire the journalists.
(sorry if this comes up twice, but my first attempt seems to have been lost behind the sofa)
Posted by: Mr Nobody at August 14, 2006 06:20 PM (BV7IP)
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Does diversity trump truth?
This just in: Bear shits in woods. UN, Arab nations, condemn Israel. Democrats criticize Bush. Film at 11:00.
This just in: Bear shits in woods. UN, Arab nations, condemn Israel. Democrats criticize Bush. Film at 11:00.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 14, 2006 07:01 PM (v3I+x)
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The importance of correct nomenclature in headlines:
"Middle-eastern religious fanatic invades commercial centre: disrupts local business, vandalizes banking corporations and bird-fanciers."
vs
"And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves"
"Middle-eastern religious fanatic invades commercial centre: disrupts local business, vandalizes banking corporations and bird-fanciers."
vs
"And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves"
Posted by: Mr Nobody at August 14, 2006 08:05 PM (BV7IP)
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Dude, I so get this!
last week I wrote on my site a post that starts with:
I was just wondering ‘cause I often see the dictator of Saudi Arabia called a leader but hardly ever a ruler. Ya see I always taught a leader is someone who is chosen by the group to be in charge of the body politic. A ruler is not chosen but imposed from above. Hmm, I guess the people of Saudi Arabia, China, Cuba all chose their political heads. I should go back to college and speak to them about my Political Science professors. It seems that I was misinformed about certain definitions. Gee it must be me since it appears that the media use the terms interchangeably. Next time I meet a Saudi king I’ll have to remember to ask him what percentage of the vote he got in the kingdoms most recent election.
-------BUT YOU SAY IT BETTER!
CHEERS!
last week I wrote on my site a post that starts with:
I was just wondering ‘cause I often see the dictator of Saudi Arabia called a leader but hardly ever a ruler. Ya see I always taught a leader is someone who is chosen by the group to be in charge of the body politic. A ruler is not chosen but imposed from above. Hmm, I guess the people of Saudi Arabia, China, Cuba all chose their political heads. I should go back to college and speak to them about my Political Science professors. It seems that I was misinformed about certain definitions. Gee it must be me since it appears that the media use the terms interchangeably. Next time I meet a Saudi king I’ll have to remember to ask him what percentage of the vote he got in the kingdoms most recent election.
-------BUT YOU SAY IT BETTER!
CHEERS!
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Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at August 14, 2006 08:29 PM (8e/V4)
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On the way home NPR-ATC described Hizb,Allah militants as "internal security forces". It could have been Lebanese police but they didn't say that. They were in the south so I ussumed they were talking about Hisb, Allah.
Posted by: Howie at August 14, 2006 08:39 PM (D3+20)
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assumed
Posted by: Howie at August 14, 2006 08:39 PM (D3+20)
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Hmmm....I hate to remind you, but greyrooster has said basically this same thing, oh, about 300 times on this blog over the past 12 months.
Posted by: jesusland joe at August 14, 2006 09:18 PM (rUyw4)
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...bear shits in woods. UN, Arab nations condemn Israel. Democrats criticize Bush...
EU steps in and proposes plan for bear-friendly porta potties in woods. Then criticizes US for allowing hunters to scare the shit out of bears during yearly bear hunts.
EU steps in and proposes plan for bear-friendly porta potties in woods. Then criticizes US for allowing hunters to scare the shit out of bears during yearly bear hunts.
Posted by: jesusland joe at August 14, 2006 09:23 PM (rUyw4)
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Mass Rep. If there is a change in Saudi Arabia it will not be to a. Messing with the current Saudi government is looking a gift horse in the mouth.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 15, 2006 08:52 AM (y5dGS)
August 13, 2006
Lord Stevens : When Will the Muslims Declare that Islamic Terrorism is Wrong?
A message from Lord John Stevens, former commissioner of the London Metropolitan Police:
WHEN will the Muslims of Britain stand up to be counted?Read it all here.When will they declare, loud and clear, with no qualifications or quibbles about Britain's foreign policy, that Islamic terrorism is WRONG?
Most of all, when will the Muslim community in this country accept an absolute, undeniable, total truth: that Islamic terrorism is THEIR problem? THEY own it. And it is THEIR duty to face it and eradicate it.
To stop the denial, endless fudging and constant wailing that somehow it is everyone else's problem and, if Islamic terrorism exists at all, they are somehow the main victims.
Because until that happens the problem will never be resolved. And there will be more 7/7s and, sometime in the future, another airplane plot will succeed with horrific loss of innocent life.
Equally important, those British politicians who have seemed obsessed with pandering to, and even encouraging, this state of denial, must throw off their politically-correct blinkers and recognise the same truth—that Muslim terrorism in Britain is the direct responsibility of British Muslims.
Props to LGF.
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He can play his fiddle, but will the muslims dance to the tune?
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at August 13, 2006 11:14 PM (gLMre)
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I imagine one would be hard pressed to find an American politician or public figure that has the courage to say the truth about islam.
The truth being that islam is a death cult, not a religion.
The truth being that islam is evil and needs to be removed from Earth, asap.
The collective spine of the Civilized World has been broken by the PC police.. and fear.
I wish I were wrong.
The truth being that islam is a death cult, not a religion.
The truth being that islam is evil and needs to be removed from Earth, asap.
The collective spine of the Civilized World has been broken by the PC police.. and fear.
I wish I were wrong.
Posted by: JeepThang at August 13, 2006 11:39 PM (yZQoS)
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Well I hope he looks good in tar and feathers, because he committed the most cardinal of sins - he spoke the truth.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 13, 2006 11:51 PM (v3I+x)
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I was amazed when I read what Lord Stevens said. The first person with any power at all here to say what needs to be said. I am watching El BBC right now and there is some other ex policeman person, he is saying we shouldnt be searching 80 year old white women at the airport, he says that young asian/black men and women should be targeted for searches rather than the rest of the population that obviously are not a threat. Everyone is screaming racism etc that it will alienate more muslims. How much more alienated can they be?
Also the letter from the muslim council of britain to Blair was fantastic, finally the moderates have layed their cards on the table and shown themselves to be the other side of the same terrorist coin. That letter they wrote has instantly undone 30/40 years of taqiyya, brilliant.
Reading a few of the Sunday papers yesterday I could actually discern a big change in the way this nation is feeling about the muslim problem. People here are finally waking up, not a moment too soon either. The police have said they are investigating another 30 MAJOR conspiracies and that we WILL be bombed soon. When they do murder some more innocents here I think that might be the moment when this country actually does switch totally to demonise the muslims mode. Sooner the better but its shocking that we have to wait for them to kill us before anyone understands the threat they present. The murder of more innocents isnt inevitable like the top cop keeps spouting, internment would stop the threat, putting the traitors in some nice big camps up in the windy highlands of scotland would soon dampen their murderous ardour. I read a comment somewhere about prison ships anchored in the North Sea, that is a fricking fantastic idea, best I have heard for a long time.
Also the letter from the muslim council of britain to Blair was fantastic, finally the moderates have layed their cards on the table and shown themselves to be the other side of the same terrorist coin. That letter they wrote has instantly undone 30/40 years of taqiyya, brilliant.
Reading a few of the Sunday papers yesterday I could actually discern a big change in the way this nation is feeling about the muslim problem. People here are finally waking up, not a moment too soon either. The police have said they are investigating another 30 MAJOR conspiracies and that we WILL be bombed soon. When they do murder some more innocents here I think that might be the moment when this country actually does switch totally to demonise the muslims mode. Sooner the better but its shocking that we have to wait for them to kill us before anyone understands the threat they present. The murder of more innocents isnt inevitable like the top cop keeps spouting, internment would stop the threat, putting the traitors in some nice big camps up in the windy highlands of scotland would soon dampen their murderous ardour. I read a comment somewhere about prison ships anchored in the North Sea, that is a fricking fantastic idea, best I have heard for a long time.
Posted by: Dave Clarke at August 14, 2006 02:51 AM (lqozg)
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Just another form of taqiyya.
Posted by: Ernie Oporto at August 14, 2006 08:23 AM (WvUov)
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IF I were him I would start wearing full body armor with a steel neck wrap. btw, I'm starting a new political group: Muslim Organization Of New Believers Against Terror. You got it: MOONBAT.
I'm the only member so far. Probably always will be.
I'm the only member so far. Probably always will be.
Posted by: n.a. palm at August 14, 2006 08:37 AM (JKs2s)
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I like the MOONBAT idea. Have many of you, like me, been waiting to see a massive demonstration by Muslims who are citizens of Australia, Canada, England, France, the Netherlands, the United States and other Western democracies AGAINST radical Islamic/Muslim terrorists?
Millions of Muslims immigrated to Western democracies to escape the limitations of their homelands. When will Muslims thank the democracies who welcomed them by demonstating -- bare-faced -- against criminal terrorist groups like Hezbollah, Hamas, Al-Qaeda & cohorts?
IMHO not demonstrating against Radical Islamic/Muslim terrorists thus conveys Muslim citizens of democracies support terrorist actions by Radical Islamic/Muslim terrorists.
Canada does not need citizens who support by silence.
Coventina
Millions of Muslims immigrated to Western democracies to escape the limitations of their homelands. When will Muslims thank the democracies who welcomed them by demonstating -- bare-faced -- against criminal terrorist groups like Hezbollah, Hamas, Al-Qaeda & cohorts?
IMHO not demonstrating against Radical Islamic/Muslim terrorists thus conveys Muslim citizens of democracies support terrorist actions by Radical Islamic/Muslim terrorists.
Canada does not need citizens who support by silence.
Coventina
Posted by: Coventina at August 14, 2006 09:47 AM (eirIx)
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It's hard for a muslim to complain (to other muslims) when they have a knife to your throat. The reason for their silence is that they have been terrorized by each other.
Posted by: n.a. palm at August 14, 2006 09:51 AM (JKs2s)
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The same time that the NYTs tell 100% truth and the sametime CINDY SHEEHAN decides her protest is rediclous and she gose home
Posted by: sandpiper at August 14, 2006 09:54 AM (162Hn)
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It's hard for a muslim to complain (to other muslims) when they have a knife to your throat. The reason for their silence is that they have been terrorized by each other.
That's a valid point, and it is understandable. Therefore, if "moderate" muslims are not willing to stand against the extremists around them, they should have no problem with the government and law enforcement agencies taking broad action to root out the undesirables - in short, profiling. Profiling at key points can increase the odds of catching threats and yet does not compromise their annonymity.
The fact is, they can't have it both ways. They can't claim to be patriotic members of a society that is under constant threat and that their religion has been hijacked while refusing to do anything, actively or even passively about it.
That's a valid point, and it is understandable. Therefore, if "moderate" muslims are not willing to stand against the extremists around them, they should have no problem with the government and law enforcement agencies taking broad action to root out the undesirables - in short, profiling. Profiling at key points can increase the odds of catching threats and yet does not compromise their annonymity.
The fact is, they can't have it both ways. They can't claim to be patriotic members of a society that is under constant threat and that their religion has been hijacked while refusing to do anything, actively or even passively about it.
Posted by: Graeme at August 14, 2006 11:17 AM (PaWgO)
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Graeme: I should have written (One) reason is.........
The truth is that all muslims are sympathetic to violence done on their behalf; "moderate" muslims are simply those that haven't advanced very far in islam and terror....YET.
The truth is that all muslims are sympathetic to violence done on their behalf; "moderate" muslims are simply those that haven't advanced very far in islam and terror....YET.
Posted by: n.a. palm at August 14, 2006 12:02 PM (JKs2s)
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I knew where you were coming n.a. palm and that you were just presenting a fact. I wasn't knocking you.
Posted by: Graeme at August 14, 2006 12:17 PM (PaWgO)
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Oh, and regarding the original question: Never. Islam cannot grow without war, and terrorism is the only kind of war that muslims can wage to any effect. Islam will be at war until the last muslim is dead.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 14, 2006 03:05 PM (v3I+x)
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Jonn Stevens's comments on Islamic terrorism are another demonstration of ignoring British and western culpability to terrorism. Such outbursts ignore the basic law that says: for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. This law is not just limited to balls that we throw on the walls, but also for social justice and whole bunch of things that matter to us daily. Fortunately for bigots like Stevens, the reaction from the Muslim world has been rather mellowed; they have been on the receiving end for decades.
To refresh Stevens’s amnesia: Wasn't it the Great Britain that played the most important role to create the pariah state of Israel, which has been killing and annexing, oppressing and sabotaging peace in the Middle East for the last six decades? Didn’t the UK play a key role incite violence against Muslims in places like Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan? Weren’t British forces caught red-handed with materials for putting IEDs inside Iraq to start the sectarian war between various ethnic groups? Doesn’t Blair’s UK and neocon-controlled USA -- benefit from such civil wars to further divide the country in fulfillment of the goals set up by the PNAC and other projects? Does the UK continue to victimize Muslims throughout the world through her Veto power in the UN and crimes like aiding in state-terrorism for Israel? Didn't UK try to prolong the massacre of Muslims in Lebanon in the latest invasion by its partner in crime - Israel? The answer to all these questions is: Yes.
So, when someone like Mr. Stevens cries foul about (allegations of) Brit Muslim youths trying to vent their anger allegedly through wrong ways, why should civilized people around the world feel surprised? As a former colonizer, with her dirty tricks and aggression against vast majority of the third world, why should Stevens be oblivious of Newton’s 3rd law of motion? Only a moron who has no sense of history, and stooped in racism and bigotry can hope that for his crimes, the victims and their sympathizers would suffer from amnesia. No, they don't, not that easily anyway. This is not to say that Muslims encourage terrorism, but only to point out that voices of reason and moderation among Muslim population have long been effectively silenced through Blair-Bush’s war crimes against Muslim population. It is these two war criminals who through their criminal actions are responsible for dehumanizing the Muslim population and creating the germinating fields for would-be terrorists who want to retaliate for their crimes against humanity.
So, only when Stevens and his holier-than-thou friends, with so much of power that the world has hardly seen before, can talk about Jewish terrorism, Christian terrorism, Hindu terrorism, Sikh terrorism, Buddhist terrorism, state terrorism of the western nations including its pet project – Israel, etc., and can implement ‘real’ ways to remove such curses from our lives, conscientious people around the globe would take them seriously. Otherwise, such bigoted remarks fool no one; only unmasks naked bigotry and racism. Nothing else, Stevens!
To refresh Stevens’s amnesia: Wasn't it the Great Britain that played the most important role to create the pariah state of Israel, which has been killing and annexing, oppressing and sabotaging peace in the Middle East for the last six decades? Didn’t the UK play a key role incite violence against Muslims in places like Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan? Weren’t British forces caught red-handed with materials for putting IEDs inside Iraq to start the sectarian war between various ethnic groups? Doesn’t Blair’s UK and neocon-controlled USA -- benefit from such civil wars to further divide the country in fulfillment of the goals set up by the PNAC and other projects? Does the UK continue to victimize Muslims throughout the world through her Veto power in the UN and crimes like aiding in state-terrorism for Israel? Didn't UK try to prolong the massacre of Muslims in Lebanon in the latest invasion by its partner in crime - Israel? The answer to all these questions is: Yes.
So, when someone like Mr. Stevens cries foul about (allegations of) Brit Muslim youths trying to vent their anger allegedly through wrong ways, why should civilized people around the world feel surprised? As a former colonizer, with her dirty tricks and aggression against vast majority of the third world, why should Stevens be oblivious of Newton’s 3rd law of motion? Only a moron who has no sense of history, and stooped in racism and bigotry can hope that for his crimes, the victims and their sympathizers would suffer from amnesia. No, they don't, not that easily anyway. This is not to say that Muslims encourage terrorism, but only to point out that voices of reason and moderation among Muslim population have long been effectively silenced through Blair-Bush’s war crimes against Muslim population. It is these two war criminals who through their criminal actions are responsible for dehumanizing the Muslim population and creating the germinating fields for would-be terrorists who want to retaliate for their crimes against humanity.
So, only when Stevens and his holier-than-thou friends, with so much of power that the world has hardly seen before, can talk about Jewish terrorism, Christian terrorism, Hindu terrorism, Sikh terrorism, Buddhist terrorism, state terrorism of the western nations including its pet project – Israel, etc., and can implement ‘real’ ways to remove such curses from our lives, conscientious people around the globe would take them seriously. Otherwise, such bigoted remarks fool no one; only unmasks naked bigotry and racism. Nothing else, Stevens!
Posted by: Siddiqui Habib at August 14, 2006 03:28 PM (QS/WA)
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No Britain was forced out. And just how did the Jooos end up in Europe anyway. Must have been all that nice hospitality the Muslims always blow on and on about.
You are aspecially interested in your view but ignore your own responsibility. Then if we try and help you we are the "oppressors".
Your hatred of Jews unmasks your racism.
You are aspecially interested in your view but ignore your own responsibility. Then if we try and help you we are the "oppressors".
Your hatred of Jews unmasks your racism.
Posted by: Howie at August 14, 2006 03:35 PM (D3+20)
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Habib: One who moves to another country (because his sucks) and complains, whines, murders is merely bringing the root cause of why his country sucks with him. That cause is Islam. All muslims are not terrorists but all terrorists are muslim. I think all muslims are not terrorists but cheer for the terrorists. Making them just as evil. Racist? Yes, Just like you. Your people are inferior. Inferior because of your cruelity, believe in an isane religion.Added by the fact that you offer nothing to the world except violence and suffering. Your people invent nothing, build nothing and create nothing. True parasites. In Africa, Asia, Europe, America virually all pain and suffering are caused (in the vast majority) because of your gutter religion.
Doesn't matter the country. Put a bunch muslims in it and you have problems.
And here is the kicker. Do you dumb assed middle eastern types think that the rest of the world will continue to let you murder. You are committing suicide and too stupid to know it. At some point, the majority will come to the conclusion that Islam just isn't worth having in this world. We will then destroy Islam and the world will address more important problems. Like mosquito control.
Don't pull the racist bit anymore. We know that you asses just pretend its all religion. Your silly, cruel, dirty, backward, barbaric race is more the problem than your ridiculous religion. And quit using the white man's English. Use your own.
Doesn't matter the country. Put a bunch muslims in it and you have problems.
And here is the kicker. Do you dumb assed middle eastern types think that the rest of the world will continue to let you murder. You are committing suicide and too stupid to know it. At some point, the majority will come to the conclusion that Islam just isn't worth having in this world. We will then destroy Islam and the world will address more important problems. Like mosquito control.
Don't pull the racist bit anymore. We know that you asses just pretend its all religion. Your silly, cruel, dirty, backward, barbaric race is more the problem than your ridiculous religion. And quit using the white man's English. Use your own.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 14, 2006 04:31 PM (AzkTD)
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Greyrooster is spot on. I bet Habib enjoys western vices and lives a hypocritical life, as do most muslims in the west. They know our society is better than theirs and always will be, because their religion is a primitive one, designed for fools to follow and die for.
Posted by: Jester at August 14, 2006 04:47 PM (TuAMG)
Posted by: Leatherneck at August 14, 2006 06:07 PM (D2g/j)
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muslims DO encourage terrorism by the very fact that muslims do not condemn it. "Moderate" muslims aid and abed "extremist" muslims.. (harboring and giving aid to the enemy). In plain english, this make most if not all muslims "the enemy" of the free world.
Thanks for playing. have a nice day.
I wonder when the rest of the world will grow tired of muslim bullshit and start letting them know they are not welcome in the USA..
Thanks for playing. have a nice day.
I wonder when the rest of the world will grow tired of muslim bullshit and start letting them know they are not welcome in the USA..
Posted by: JeepThang at August 14, 2006 07:59 PM (yZQoS)
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Another thing that people seem to overlook: a "religion" is not a race, ergo, it isnt racism when stating disgust and hatred for a religion. Those who moan on about being racially persecuted, imo, usually are the ones who ARE the racists to begin with.
Some people are under the foolish impression that islam is a religion.. muslims worship a meteorite.. they think its ok to kill anyone (including children) who are not muslim (and even some that are).
It is my firm belief that islam is not a religion, but a cult, as Ive said before.. a cult of death.. no different than jim jones.
I really think that islam should not be afforded any "religious freedom" under the laws of this land. No religion? no freedom to practice it.
In short, the practicioners of islam are an abomination to civilization and to everything good and decent. And the world will be soooo much better off when islam is whiped off the map.
Some people are under the foolish impression that islam is a religion.. muslims worship a meteorite.. they think its ok to kill anyone (including children) who are not muslim (and even some that are).
It is my firm belief that islam is not a religion, but a cult, as Ive said before.. a cult of death.. no different than jim jones.
I really think that islam should not be afforded any "religious freedom" under the laws of this land. No religion? no freedom to practice it.
In short, the practicioners of islam are an abomination to civilization and to everything good and decent. And the world will be soooo much better off when islam is whiped off the map.
Posted by: JeepThang at August 14, 2006 10:08 PM (yZQoS)
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It seems that entire musllim world is in denial !
India has experienced tremendous effects of islamic terrorism which has been justified as religious duty, freedom movement and that it is the figment of imagination...for many years UK and West in general has supported perprators of violence for short term political convenience and only when it knocked their doors and crushed them that they arte now seeking answers from muslim world.The fact is the whole religious orientation of muslims all over the world is moving fast towards jihadism whose main factory is Pakistan, whose main financiers are Saudis, Kuwaitis and UAE etc and whose dogs of war are common people of islamic society and it looks like that no one in muslim world is takiing any responsibility !
To their mind violence is justified by dishing out excuses such as poverty, discrimination, alienation and that their own religion and society are paragon of virtue and victim of unfair propoganda.When liberaal countries of Europe offer them a freedom for development they misuse the resources of these societies and behave like camle's head in sand.
Going by history it seems that muslim societies would keep on creating trouble and go on blaming the victims rather than reform themselves and make fit for civilised societies. I know I will be showered with criticism by so many but would they do something about it ? forget it...it seem s that they are hell bent on making enemies with jews, christians , hindus and buddhists etc. Let us hope they are not the ones who would start third world war by displying intellectual honesty and not hide behind the smoke screen
India has experienced tremendous effects of islamic terrorism which has been justified as religious duty, freedom movement and that it is the figment of imagination...for many years UK and West in general has supported perprators of violence for short term political convenience and only when it knocked their doors and crushed them that they arte now seeking answers from muslim world.The fact is the whole religious orientation of muslims all over the world is moving fast towards jihadism whose main factory is Pakistan, whose main financiers are Saudis, Kuwaitis and UAE etc and whose dogs of war are common people of islamic society and it looks like that no one in muslim world is takiing any responsibility !
To their mind violence is justified by dishing out excuses such as poverty, discrimination, alienation and that their own religion and society are paragon of virtue and victim of unfair propoganda.When liberaal countries of Europe offer them a freedom for development they misuse the resources of these societies and behave like camle's head in sand.
Going by history it seems that muslim societies would keep on creating trouble and go on blaming the victims rather than reform themselves and make fit for civilised societies. I know I will be showered with criticism by so many but would they do something about it ? forget it...it seem s that they are hell bent on making enemies with jews, christians , hindus and buddhists etc. Let us hope they are not the ones who would start third world war by displying intellectual honesty and not hide behind the smoke screen
Posted by: dines at August 15, 2006 12:02 AM (QgzkY)
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Actually, World War III started some time ago. Recently there has been a phase shift and the tides are turning. Muslims are a dieing breed and are on their way out. It is now time to build the future with Christ at the head! ;-) ( Last gasp Larry postulate #L8 ) Hope I'm right!
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at August 15, 2006 10:21 AM (gLMre)
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?I think none of you understand the problem.
the source of the problem goes back 1000's of years... its hards to simplify...but here goes...
the jews were taken into Palestine as refugess and given a place to stay . they took over the
land... imprisoned the Palestine people to useless pieces of land... terrorise and kill and rape
and mame them every day... and we are to simply watch this...the Americans are strong with
weapons of all sorts ... but nothing is as strong and the will to fight for what is yours. the
Muslims will never demonstrate... we are unified ... the American government is being
influenced by big Jewish businessmen in America to get their ends met in Israel... and the
Americans get what they want... energy... America is starving in this respect or hasn?t anybody
noticed who?s pocketing the extra dollars the world is being billed for the oil. (Yes before the
Iraq war oil=$35 / barrel and now with little bush in control... $75 barrel (there is no shortage
... Iraq alone has enough oil for the whole world for the next 100 years, leaving iran , lebon,
and the rest of the middle east countries... and that my educated frends is a fact! ) ...In all your
knowledge ....look at the facts... America wants energy...Israel wants holy land ... no where
else in the world will America dare set foot or spend a money as they did in Iraq unless of
course there is oil in its soil to pay for the bills...example n Korea...the Americans will never
take them on...the costs are too much...USA cannot afford it or rather will NOT ...its not a
viable business option...just let the Chinese be your puppets and stir up rivalry between china
and Korea to get what the USA wants...to be in power and in control of the world... well
good luck to the American and British governments and civilians if you think that we are just
going to watch you kill us and steal our wealth from as... well dream on......but I will give lord
Stevens what he wants... a bold statement renouncing terrorism..."I AM A MUSLIM AND I
DO NOT SUPPORT TERRORISM...LITTLE BUSH SHOULD BE JAILED TOGETHER WITH HIS
PUPPET TONY"
PS. I DO NOT REPRESENT ANY ORGANISATION LIKE THE HEZBOLLAH , HAMAS
OR BIN LADEN , AL QAUEDA , BUT I CAN PROMISE THE WORLD THIS ON
BEHALF OF THESE ORGANISATIONS... THE DAY THE LAST AMERICAN LEAVES
ARABIAN SOIL IS THE DAY THE WORLD WILL BE AT PEACE... AND THIS I CAN
GUARANTEE.
World peace = the Indian government withdrawing from Muslim owned Kashmir...
=the Israeli government withdrawing from Muslim owned Palestine...
= Americans getting out off ?gas? rich Afghanistan
= Americans getting out of ?oil?rich? Iraq
the source of the problem goes back 1000's of years... its hards to simplify...but here goes...
the jews were taken into Palestine as refugess and given a place to stay . they took over the
land... imprisoned the Palestine people to useless pieces of land... terrorise and kill and rape
and mame them every day... and we are to simply watch this...the Americans are strong with
weapons of all sorts ... but nothing is as strong and the will to fight for what is yours. the
Muslims will never demonstrate... we are unified ... the American government is being
influenced by big Jewish businessmen in America to get their ends met in Israel... and the
Americans get what they want... energy... America is starving in this respect or hasn?t anybody
noticed who?s pocketing the extra dollars the world is being billed for the oil. (Yes before the
Iraq war oil=$35 / barrel and now with little bush in control... $75 barrel (there is no shortage
... Iraq alone has enough oil for the whole world for the next 100 years, leaving iran , lebon,
and the rest of the middle east countries... and that my educated frends is a fact! ) ...In all your
knowledge ....look at the facts... America wants energy...Israel wants holy land ... no where
else in the world will America dare set foot or spend a money as they did in Iraq unless of
course there is oil in its soil to pay for the bills...example n Korea...the Americans will never
take them on...the costs are too much...USA cannot afford it or rather will NOT ...its not a
viable business option...just let the Chinese be your puppets and stir up rivalry between china
and Korea to get what the USA wants...to be in power and in control of the world... well
good luck to the American and British governments and civilians if you think that we are just
going to watch you kill us and steal our wealth from as... well dream on......but I will give lord
Stevens what he wants... a bold statement renouncing terrorism..."I AM A MUSLIM AND I
DO NOT SUPPORT TERRORISM...LITTLE BUSH SHOULD BE JAILED TOGETHER WITH HIS
PUPPET TONY"
PS. I DO NOT REPRESENT ANY ORGANISATION LIKE THE HEZBOLLAH , HAMAS
OR BIN LADEN , AL QAUEDA , BUT I CAN PROMISE THE WORLD THIS ON
BEHALF OF THESE ORGANISATIONS... THE DAY THE LAST AMERICAN LEAVES
ARABIAN SOIL IS THE DAY THE WORLD WILL BE AT PEACE... AND THIS I CAN
GUARANTEE.
World peace = the Indian government withdrawing from Muslim owned Kashmir...
=the Israeli government withdrawing from Muslim owned Palestine...
= Americans getting out off ?gas? rich Afghanistan
= Americans getting out of ?oil?rich? Iraq
Posted by: peacekeeper at August 16, 2006 09:52 AM (vVgRE)
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Muslims did not exist when the Jews entered the promised land. The land given them by God. They took it by conquest. Note that Muslims only believe conquest is correct if it was they who are taking land by violence.
I still don't get the idea that the Joooos have anything to do with enery as they don't have any oil.
Peacekeeper has been brainwashed by the False Prophet. Another thing if the Americans and British left who would pump the oil your nations get the money from? Everyone knows that if not for us it would still be in the gound because ya'll ar too stupid nad lazy to extract it yourselves. I know becuase several people I know work im the ME to get the oil out. They tried hiring arab hands to work the rigs. Waste of time. as workers they suck.
I still don't get the idea that the Joooos have anything to do with enery as they don't have any oil.
Peacekeeper has been brainwashed by the False Prophet. Another thing if the Americans and British left who would pump the oil your nations get the money from? Everyone knows that if not for us it would still be in the gound because ya'll ar too stupid nad lazy to extract it yourselves. I know becuase several people I know work im the ME to get the oil out. They tried hiring arab hands to work the rigs. Waste of time. as workers they suck.
Posted by: Howie at August 16, 2006 10:08 AM (YdcZ0)
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Yes we are powerful by God's blessing. Look what we have done in 200 years. You have had thousands and still live in a shit hole. If praying to that box is so effective why are you not in our postition? All your weath comes from trade with us. Without our dollars the ME is just a crossroads for the rest of the world. Some of your nations have done well this way. The ones ruled by people with half a brain. But mostly the rest of you take a crap in the streets and blame everyone else for the smell. It is easier to blame the jooooos and the americans other than face the fact your made your own bed. Ya'll are all for advancement right up until you find out it takes hard work. In early America if you did not work hard you died. We work circles around you. It's your nation get off your ass and pick up damn shovel.
Posted by: Howie at August 16, 2006 10:19 AM (YdcZ0)
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I know Muslims will have to deal with the so called "Islamic" terrorism. But, this is not our problem, it is a problem created by the West. West has created it through establishment of Israel, which is expanding by the way of century long genocide against Palestine people. West has created it in Afghanistan and Pakistan to fight communist bogy. West has created it by overthrowing the elected government of Iran and patronizing dictators like Reza Shah, Saudi King, Mubarak, etc. West has reenergized it invading Iraq and Lebanon. As long as Dr Evil’s “Min Me†is getting away with genocide against Palestine, there will be no end to this terrorism.
I tell you, leave us alone. Leave Middle Est. We can fight the Islamic fundamentalism. But as long as the triangle of fascism (America, Britain, Israel) keeps exporting Western values this is an impossible battle. Remember, Mussolini invaded Africa to export European values, the “triangle of neo-fascism†invaded Iraq, Lebanon, Afghanistan to export Western values.
I tell you, leave us alone. Leave Middle Est. We can fight the Islamic fundamentalism. But as long as the triangle of fascism (America, Britain, Israel) keeps exporting Western values this is an impossible battle. Remember, Mussolini invaded Africa to export European values, the “triangle of neo-fascism†invaded Iraq, Lebanon, Afghanistan to export Western values.
Posted by: Zakaria at August 16, 2006 11:16 AM (Wpz3g)
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There they go again.
It is your problem and if you don't deal with it we will. You go out there and condemn it sort of and then trun right around and defend them by projecting the blame. Freedom and independence are great concepts for those who are ready for it. for those who aren't well maybe they need a bit of parenting. You sound like a school kid, "My bad grades are because the teacher is unfair".
Idiot
It is your problem and if you don't deal with it we will. You go out there and condemn it sort of and then trun right around and defend them by projecting the blame. Freedom and independence are great concepts for those who are ready for it. for those who aren't well maybe they need a bit of parenting. You sound like a school kid, "My bad grades are because the teacher is unfair".
Idiot
Posted by: Ronald Reagan at August 16, 2006 11:24 AM (YdcZ0)
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Zakaria: Stick around. At last a muslim who we can work with for mutual benefit. There are two sides to everything.
Please one thing at a time. My question is. How do you think our response should have been after Muslims killed 3000 of our people at the world trade center? Remember, we invaded no one after the first attempt years earlier. Should we have sent Al Queda valentines?
I await your answer.
Please one thing at a time. My question is. How do you think our response should have been after Muslims killed 3000 of our people at the world trade center? Remember, we invaded no one after the first attempt years earlier. Should we have sent Al Queda valentines?
I await your answer.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 16, 2006 01:10 PM (vCjBd)
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i agree with zakariya... and so do 4 billion Muslims worldwide...(half the population).
if the Muslims really wanted to we can end this in a instant... but the fact is ...we love
peace...our holy book teaches us peace...but for the record our patience is wearing thin... so
look out guys .... every time a Muslim dies ... the world is getting closer to the truth...and
soon ...very soon the American and British would have to find somewhere else to test their
weapons and find another way to make energy... as far as being stupid is concerned ... we
gave the American everything they got... the digit "0" , cures for sickness and helped
financially as well (yes , we gave money ...or did someone forget to mention that 20years ago
Iraq was a 1st world country.. being a Donar to the united nations ... yes a DONOR). BUT
THANKS TO THE AMERICANS QUEST FOR ENERGY THE SLOWLY CRIPPLED
THE COUNTRY OVER A PERIOD OF 15 YEARS AND THEN WENT TO
WAR...COWARDS.) NOW THE IRAQIS ARE RECEIVERS AND NOT DONORS...THEY
WOULD NEVER HAVE TAKEN ON IRAQ 20YEARS AGO AS THEY WOULD NEVER
TAKE ON N.KOREA NOW. BUT WATCH AND LISTEN TO THE NEWS IN COMING
DAYS AND FOLLOW THE PATH THE USA HAS TAKEN TO RESOLVE THE
N.KOREAN CRISIS...YES HISTORY IS REPEATING ITSELF... SANCTIONS WILL
CRIPPLE THE N.KOREANS...AND WHEN ITS SAFE TO DO SO THE USA WILL
WALK IN AND CLAIM VICTORY AND GET CREDIT FOR SAVING THE
WORLD...THE ONLY THING THEY ARE DOING IS SAVING THEIR OWN ARSE ...
AND THE REST OF THE WORLD IS THEIR PLAYGROUND TO TEST WEAPONS OF
MASS DESTRUCTION THAT THEY HAVE BUT THE REST OF THE WORLD CAN'T)
OR BY THE WAY IF THE AMERICANS ARE SO BRILLIANT ...WHY DID THEY
HAVE TO USE OSAMA BIN LADEN (EX CIA) TO TOPPLE THE SUPERPOWER
RUSSIA... YES THEY WERE SCARED ...AND IT IS A TACTIC THEY HAVE LONG
USED AND WITH SUCCESS I MUST ADMIT) BUT NOT FOR LONG ....RUSSIA
WENT DOWN WITH BIN LADEN ...THEN THE AMERICANS TURNED ON HIM...
CHINA AND JAPEN WILL PUT PRESSURE ON N.KOREA...BUT BEFORE LONG THE
CHINESE AND JAPS WILL BE BACKSTABBED...OR HAS THE WORLD FORGOT
JAPAN AND WHO DROPPED THE FIRST NUCLEAR BOMB THERE. AMERICA IS
DESTROYING OUR WORLD... AND THE MOMENT ANOTHER COUNTRY IS ON ITS
WAY UP... THEY QUICKLY CUT THEM DOWN ... THIS BECAUSE THEY NEED TO
REMAIN IN POWER... THE DAYS WHEN THE RUSSIANS WHERE THE OTHER
SUPERPOWER THE AMERICANS WHEN AS QUITE AS MICE... SLOWLY WORKING
THEIR MAGIC BETWEEN COUNTRIES CREATING WARS TO THEIR OWN
BENEFIT... THE IS NOT A SINGLE WAS AFTER 2000 THAT THE AMERICANS ARE
NOT INVOLVED IN... COME ON GUYS ADMIT IT... THE ARABS ARE CURRENTLY
THE NUMBER 1 THREAT TO THE AMERICAN AND THAT’S ONLY BECAUSE THE
MIDDLE EAST HAS WHAT THE AMERICANS NEED...OIL! AND IF THE MIDDLE
EAST REALISES THIS THEN THE AMERICAN WILL HAVE ANOTHER SUPER
POWER TO DEAL WITH ... AND THEY CANNOT AFFORD THAT... IF THE 56
MUSLIM STATES OF THE WORLD UNIFY UNDER 1 FLAG... THAT’S IT FOR
USA...BY THE WAY I LOVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ...ALL MUSLIMS DO ... WE
JUST HATE THE POLICIES AND RULERS. POOR AMERICANS ... YOU ARE SO
BRAINWASHED THINKING THAT WE ARE KILLING INNOCENT CIVILIANS TO
FIGHT A CAUSE... ISRAEL KILLED OVER 2 THOUSAND CIVILIANS IN THEIR
LAST INVASION (USING AMERICAN WEAPONS) FOR THEIR CAUSE ... AND THAT
CAUSE IS TO DISMANTLE ANY THREAT THAT WILL FORCE THEM STOP
PERSECUTING THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. WHAT DOES THE "CIVILISED
WORLD" DO.... NOTHING...
GO CHECK YOUR HISTORY BOOKS... THERE WAS NO ISRAEL .... WE (THE
ARABS) TOOK THEM IN UNDER OUR CARE . WE TOOK CARE OF THEM AFTER
WORLD WAR 2. THEY ARE THEY ONLY NATION IN THE WORLD WITHOUT A
PLACE TO CALL HOME...
OR BY THE WAY... AS FAR AS THE ARABS BEING LAZY...IN MY COUNTRY ...
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE LEAVING HOME TO WORK IN SAUDI, DUBAI,
IRAQ AND SO ON...BECAUSE THE ARABS PAY SO MUCH... I MEAN IF THE
ARABS ARE BLESS WITH OIL AND THEY USE IT TO BECOME a 1ST world
COUNTRY ... SO WHAT... ITS THEIR OIL ...THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY
WANT WITH ... THE ONLY REASON THE AMERICANS ARE WORKING IN THE
HOT DESERT PUMPING THE OIL WHILE THE ARABS RECLINE ON COUCHES OF
LUXURY IS BECAUSE THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT CANNOT OFFER THOSE
WORKERS ANY BETTER.. HA HA HA .... LOL
LAST BUT NOT LEAST .... IF ALL THE ARABS IN THE MIDDLE EAST HAVE TO
TAKE A PISS IN THE DIRECTION OF ISRAEL ....THE JOOS WILL DROWN... YEAH
... not even a weapon is required to destroy this cursed nation. Which HITLER STARTED ...
AND WE WILL FINISH IF PUSHED FAR ENOUGH. DO TAKE THE LAID BACK
ATTITUDE OF THE ARAB WORLD LEADER (56 IN TOTAL) AS A SIGN OF
SECURITY ... THEY TAP THEIR FEET GENTLY... WAITING...
ZAKARIYA WELL DONE ... insha allah the enemy will be defeated ...i just hope im around
when the Americans crumble like the ROMAN EMPIRE ... AMERICA WILL FALL.
if the Muslims really wanted to we can end this in a instant... but the fact is ...we love
peace...our holy book teaches us peace...but for the record our patience is wearing thin... so
look out guys .... every time a Muslim dies ... the world is getting closer to the truth...and
soon ...very soon the American and British would have to find somewhere else to test their
weapons and find another way to make energy... as far as being stupid is concerned ... we
gave the American everything they got... the digit "0" , cures for sickness and helped
financially as well (yes , we gave money ...or did someone forget to mention that 20years ago
Iraq was a 1st world country.. being a Donar to the united nations ... yes a DONOR). BUT
THANKS TO THE AMERICANS QUEST FOR ENERGY THE SLOWLY CRIPPLED
THE COUNTRY OVER A PERIOD OF 15 YEARS AND THEN WENT TO
WAR...COWARDS.) NOW THE IRAQIS ARE RECEIVERS AND NOT DONORS...THEY
WOULD NEVER HAVE TAKEN ON IRAQ 20YEARS AGO AS THEY WOULD NEVER
TAKE ON N.KOREA NOW. BUT WATCH AND LISTEN TO THE NEWS IN COMING
DAYS AND FOLLOW THE PATH THE USA HAS TAKEN TO RESOLVE THE
N.KOREAN CRISIS...YES HISTORY IS REPEATING ITSELF... SANCTIONS WILL
CRIPPLE THE N.KOREANS...AND WHEN ITS SAFE TO DO SO THE USA WILL
WALK IN AND CLAIM VICTORY AND GET CREDIT FOR SAVING THE
WORLD...THE ONLY THING THEY ARE DOING IS SAVING THEIR OWN ARSE ...
AND THE REST OF THE WORLD IS THEIR PLAYGROUND TO TEST WEAPONS OF
MASS DESTRUCTION THAT THEY HAVE BUT THE REST OF THE WORLD CAN'T)
OR BY THE WAY IF THE AMERICANS ARE SO BRILLIANT ...WHY DID THEY
HAVE TO USE OSAMA BIN LADEN (EX CIA) TO TOPPLE THE SUPERPOWER
RUSSIA... YES THEY WERE SCARED ...AND IT IS A TACTIC THEY HAVE LONG
USED AND WITH SUCCESS I MUST ADMIT) BUT NOT FOR LONG ....RUSSIA
WENT DOWN WITH BIN LADEN ...THEN THE AMERICANS TURNED ON HIM...
CHINA AND JAPEN WILL PUT PRESSURE ON N.KOREA...BUT BEFORE LONG THE
CHINESE AND JAPS WILL BE BACKSTABBED...OR HAS THE WORLD FORGOT
JAPAN AND WHO DROPPED THE FIRST NUCLEAR BOMB THERE. AMERICA IS
DESTROYING OUR WORLD... AND THE MOMENT ANOTHER COUNTRY IS ON ITS
WAY UP... THEY QUICKLY CUT THEM DOWN ... THIS BECAUSE THEY NEED TO
REMAIN IN POWER... THE DAYS WHEN THE RUSSIANS WHERE THE OTHER
SUPERPOWER THE AMERICANS WHEN AS QUITE AS MICE... SLOWLY WORKING
THEIR MAGIC BETWEEN COUNTRIES CREATING WARS TO THEIR OWN
BENEFIT... THE IS NOT A SINGLE WAS AFTER 2000 THAT THE AMERICANS ARE
NOT INVOLVED IN... COME ON GUYS ADMIT IT... THE ARABS ARE CURRENTLY
THE NUMBER 1 THREAT TO THE AMERICAN AND THAT’S ONLY BECAUSE THE
MIDDLE EAST HAS WHAT THE AMERICANS NEED...OIL! AND IF THE MIDDLE
EAST REALISES THIS THEN THE AMERICAN WILL HAVE ANOTHER SUPER
POWER TO DEAL WITH ... AND THEY CANNOT AFFORD THAT... IF THE 56
MUSLIM STATES OF THE WORLD UNIFY UNDER 1 FLAG... THAT’S IT FOR
USA...BY THE WAY I LOVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ...ALL MUSLIMS DO ... WE
JUST HATE THE POLICIES AND RULERS. POOR AMERICANS ... YOU ARE SO
BRAINWASHED THINKING THAT WE ARE KILLING INNOCENT CIVILIANS TO
FIGHT A CAUSE... ISRAEL KILLED OVER 2 THOUSAND CIVILIANS IN THEIR
LAST INVASION (USING AMERICAN WEAPONS) FOR THEIR CAUSE ... AND THAT
CAUSE IS TO DISMANTLE ANY THREAT THAT WILL FORCE THEM STOP
PERSECUTING THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. WHAT DOES THE "CIVILISED
WORLD" DO.... NOTHING...
GO CHECK YOUR HISTORY BOOKS... THERE WAS NO ISRAEL .... WE (THE
ARABS) TOOK THEM IN UNDER OUR CARE . WE TOOK CARE OF THEM AFTER
WORLD WAR 2. THEY ARE THEY ONLY NATION IN THE WORLD WITHOUT A
PLACE TO CALL HOME...
OR BY THE WAY... AS FAR AS THE ARABS BEING LAZY...IN MY COUNTRY ...
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE LEAVING HOME TO WORK IN SAUDI, DUBAI,
IRAQ AND SO ON...BECAUSE THE ARABS PAY SO MUCH... I MEAN IF THE
ARABS ARE BLESS WITH OIL AND THEY USE IT TO BECOME a 1ST world
COUNTRY ... SO WHAT... ITS THEIR OIL ...THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY
WANT WITH ... THE ONLY REASON THE AMERICANS ARE WORKING IN THE
HOT DESERT PUMPING THE OIL WHILE THE ARABS RECLINE ON COUCHES OF
LUXURY IS BECAUSE THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT CANNOT OFFER THOSE
WORKERS ANY BETTER.. HA HA HA .... LOL
LAST BUT NOT LEAST .... IF ALL THE ARABS IN THE MIDDLE EAST HAVE TO
TAKE A PISS IN THE DIRECTION OF ISRAEL ....THE JOOS WILL DROWN... YEAH
... not even a weapon is required to destroy this cursed nation. Which HITLER STARTED ...
AND WE WILL FINISH IF PUSHED FAR ENOUGH. DO TAKE THE LAID BACK
ATTITUDE OF THE ARAB WORLD LEADER (56 IN TOTAL) AS A SIGN OF
SECURITY ... THEY TAP THEIR FEET GENTLY... WAITING...
ZAKARIYA WELL DONE ... insha allah the enemy will be defeated ...i just hope im around
when the Americans crumble like the ROMAN EMPIRE ... AMERICA WILL FALL.
Posted by: PEACEKEEPER at August 17, 2006 05:22 AM (vVgRE)
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Peacekeeper: Strange name for an Islamotard. 4 million muslims. Ha, Ha, Ha, You show how much of an idiot you are.
Keep on mother fucker, keep on. And we will show you how few muslimes are left.
Keep on mother fucker, keep on. And we will show you how few muslimes are left.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 17, 2006 08:58 AM (W1CgA)
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hey rooster ... read again 4 billion...and growing stronger by the day....Seeing that you and
most Americans don’t have much of a response when we prove with FACTS and not
PROPAGANDER tools , that USA is to be blamed for world chaos... I have a
suggestion...LETS WAIT FOR JESUS (ISSA) TO COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN TO
FINALISE THIS UNFINISHED BATTLE... AND WHEN EVERY MUSLIM FOLLOWS
JESUS IN THIS LAST BATTLE, WHICH THEY HAVE TO ISLAMIC LAW...THE
ENEMY WILL BE EVENTUALLY DEFEATED!
YOU SEE MY FRIEND YOU DON’T KNOW THE FACTS...YOU DON’T KNOW YOUR
HISTORY ...AND YOU GO WITH WHAT CNN AND BBC IS PAID TO TRANSMIT
(PROPAGANDA TOOL) ... I KNOW YOU ARE INTELLIGENT... I URGE YOU , NO
DARE YOU, TO COMPARE THE TORAH(JEWS) THE BIBLE (CHRISTIANS) AND
THE QURAAN (MUSLIM) AND YOU WILL SEE A TIME LINE ALL THAT
SEPERATES US IS A TIMELINE OF REVELATION...BUT THERE IS ONLY ONE
GOD! AS FAR AS ANCIENT RELIGIONS ARE CONCERNED CHRISTIANITY
(WHICH MOST IF NOT ALL DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENTS ARE BASED ON) IS
FAR "OLDER" (2006 YEARS TO BE PRECISE) THAN ISLAM(1400 YEARS) .
HOWEVER THE BIBLE HAS BEEN TAMPERED WITH AND HENCE HAS NO VALUE
TODAY... BUT THE BIBLE THAT JESUS REVEALED IS TRUE IN EVERY SENSE OF
THE WORD... THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS (CULTURES THAT ARE FAR MORE
OLDER THAT ISLAM ) HAVE THEIR DIFFERENCES TOO. THE JEWS ARE STILL
WAITING FOR JESUS TO ARRIVE (YOU SEE THEM A WALL IN PALESTINE
SHAKING THEIR HEADS , pleading for his arrival ,) WHILE THE CHRISTIANS AND
MUSLIMS BELIEVE HE CAME AND WENT AND WILL COME DOWN AGAIN. BUT
YOU DON’T SEE THE CHRISTIANS AND JEWS GOING AGAINST EACH OTHER IN
GOING TO WAR. WHY? MAYBE THE JEWS DON’T HAVE OIL...LOL! CAUSE
THAT’S WHAT THE BOTTOM LINE IS. THE JEWS, CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS
ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO THIS EARTH AND NO1 IS GOING TO BE WIPED OUT...
THAT I PROMISE... JESUS , MY PROPHET OF GOD WILL SETTLE THIS... AND IT
WILL BE MY HONOUR TO FIGHT SIDE BY SIDE WITH HIM IN THE FINAL
BATTLE OF GOOD OVER EVIL. OH BY THE WAY... NO MUSLIM CAN CALL
HIMSELF A MUSLIM IF THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN THIS. 1 LAST PIECE OF
EVIDENCE ... MY FRIEND...U KNOW THE PROPHET MOHAMMEDS
GRAVE...THERE’S AN UNFILLED GRAVE NEXT TO IT ......IT IS THE GRAVE OF
JESUS... JESUS WILL COME DOWN AND ALL MUSLIMS WILL JOIN HIM IN THE
FINAL BATTLE. JESUS WILL DIE IN THIS BATTLE (AS GOD HAS PROMISED
THAT EVERY LIVING SOUL SHALL TASTE DEATH) AND JESUS WILL BE BURIED
NEXT TO PROPHET MOHAMMED.... NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE THIS... IS
HAS BEEN WRITTEN DOWN IN ALL RELIGIOUS SCRIPTURES FROM THE TIME
OF THE TORAH TO THE TO THE BIBLE TO THE FINAL TESTAMENT THE
QURAAN AND IT WILL HAPPEN THIS WAY....NO 1 IS GOING TO CHANGE
THIS...THE WAR WILL BE OVER WHEN ALL MUSLIMS UNITE... AND THEN WHEN
JESUS COME DOWN ...THE JEWS CHRISTIANS AND THE MUSLIMS WILL
FOLLOW HIM INTO BATTLE TO CONQUER EVIL. SO WHAT IS THE EVIL THEN ...
THAT MY FREND WE WILL COVER IN ANOTHER CHAPTER...TILL THEN ILL
PRAY FOR YOU AND YOU FELLOW MEN TO BE ENLIGHTEDENED...TO THE
TRUTH....OH YES ....THAT REMINDS ME .. THE NEW POPE ....RECENTLY(ABOUT
A MONTH AGO) SAID ON SATELLITE TV CONCERNING THE PROBLEMS IN THE
WORLD, AND I QUOTE “THE WORLD IS NOT READY FOR THE TRUTHâ€...MAKES
YOU THINK ON WHO IS REALLY BEING BRAINWASHED HEY...
most Americans don’t have much of a response when we prove with FACTS and not
PROPAGANDER tools , that USA is to be blamed for world chaos... I have a
suggestion...LETS WAIT FOR JESUS (ISSA) TO COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN TO
FINALISE THIS UNFINISHED BATTLE... AND WHEN EVERY MUSLIM FOLLOWS
JESUS IN THIS LAST BATTLE, WHICH THEY HAVE TO ISLAMIC LAW...THE
ENEMY WILL BE EVENTUALLY DEFEATED!
YOU SEE MY FRIEND YOU DON’T KNOW THE FACTS...YOU DON’T KNOW YOUR
HISTORY ...AND YOU GO WITH WHAT CNN AND BBC IS PAID TO TRANSMIT
(PROPAGANDA TOOL) ... I KNOW YOU ARE INTELLIGENT... I URGE YOU , NO
DARE YOU, TO COMPARE THE TORAH(JEWS) THE BIBLE (CHRISTIANS) AND
THE QURAAN (MUSLIM) AND YOU WILL SEE A TIME LINE ALL THAT
SEPERATES US IS A TIMELINE OF REVELATION...BUT THERE IS ONLY ONE
GOD! AS FAR AS ANCIENT RELIGIONS ARE CONCERNED CHRISTIANITY
(WHICH MOST IF NOT ALL DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENTS ARE BASED ON) IS
FAR "OLDER" (2006 YEARS TO BE PRECISE) THAN ISLAM(1400 YEARS) .
HOWEVER THE BIBLE HAS BEEN TAMPERED WITH AND HENCE HAS NO VALUE
TODAY... BUT THE BIBLE THAT JESUS REVEALED IS TRUE IN EVERY SENSE OF
THE WORD... THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS (CULTURES THAT ARE FAR MORE
OLDER THAT ISLAM ) HAVE THEIR DIFFERENCES TOO. THE JEWS ARE STILL
WAITING FOR JESUS TO ARRIVE (YOU SEE THEM A WALL IN PALESTINE
SHAKING THEIR HEADS , pleading for his arrival ,) WHILE THE CHRISTIANS AND
MUSLIMS BELIEVE HE CAME AND WENT AND WILL COME DOWN AGAIN. BUT
YOU DON’T SEE THE CHRISTIANS AND JEWS GOING AGAINST EACH OTHER IN
GOING TO WAR. WHY? MAYBE THE JEWS DON’T HAVE OIL...LOL! CAUSE
THAT’S WHAT THE BOTTOM LINE IS. THE JEWS, CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS
ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO THIS EARTH AND NO1 IS GOING TO BE WIPED OUT...
THAT I PROMISE... JESUS , MY PROPHET OF GOD WILL SETTLE THIS... AND IT
WILL BE MY HONOUR TO FIGHT SIDE BY SIDE WITH HIM IN THE FINAL
BATTLE OF GOOD OVER EVIL. OH BY THE WAY... NO MUSLIM CAN CALL
HIMSELF A MUSLIM IF THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN THIS. 1 LAST PIECE OF
EVIDENCE ... MY FRIEND...U KNOW THE PROPHET MOHAMMEDS
GRAVE...THERE’S AN UNFILLED GRAVE NEXT TO IT ......IT IS THE GRAVE OF
JESUS... JESUS WILL COME DOWN AND ALL MUSLIMS WILL JOIN HIM IN THE
FINAL BATTLE. JESUS WILL DIE IN THIS BATTLE (AS GOD HAS PROMISED
THAT EVERY LIVING SOUL SHALL TASTE DEATH) AND JESUS WILL BE BURIED
NEXT TO PROPHET MOHAMMED.... NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE THIS... IS
HAS BEEN WRITTEN DOWN IN ALL RELIGIOUS SCRIPTURES FROM THE TIME
OF THE TORAH TO THE TO THE BIBLE TO THE FINAL TESTAMENT THE
QURAAN AND IT WILL HAPPEN THIS WAY....NO 1 IS GOING TO CHANGE
THIS...THE WAR WILL BE OVER WHEN ALL MUSLIMS UNITE... AND THEN WHEN
JESUS COME DOWN ...THE JEWS CHRISTIANS AND THE MUSLIMS WILL
FOLLOW HIM INTO BATTLE TO CONQUER EVIL. SO WHAT IS THE EVIL THEN ...
THAT MY FREND WE WILL COVER IN ANOTHER CHAPTER...TILL THEN ILL
PRAY FOR YOU AND YOU FELLOW MEN TO BE ENLIGHTEDENED...TO THE
TRUTH....OH YES ....THAT REMINDS ME .. THE NEW POPE ....RECENTLY(ABOUT
A MONTH AGO) SAID ON SATELLITE TV CONCERNING THE PROBLEMS IN THE
WORLD, AND I QUOTE “THE WORLD IS NOT READY FOR THE TRUTHâ€...MAKES
YOU THINK ON WHO IS REALLY BEING BRAINWASHED HEY...
Posted by: PEACEKEEPER at August 18, 2006 06:08 AM (vVgRE)
32
?The de-Zionisation of the American mind
Wednesday August 16 2006 11:58:59 AM BDT
By Jean Bricmont
It is true that a change in the US policy with respect to the Israel-Palestine conflict would
change nothing about traditional imperialism ?? the United States would still support
traditional elites everywhere, and press countries to provide a ?favourable investment
climate?.But the conflict in the Middle East, involving Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Palestine,
has all the aspects of a religious war ?? with Islam on one side and Zionism as a secular
Western religion on the other. And wars of religion tend to be the most brutal and
uncontrollable of all wars. What is at stake in the de-Zionisation of the American mind is not
only the fate of the unfortunate inhabitants of Palestine but also unspeakable miseries for the
people of that region and maybe of the rest of the world. The ultimate irony in all this is that
the fate of much of the world depends of the American people exercising their right to
self-determination, which, of course, they should, writes Jean Bricmont
Americans are constantly told that they have to defend themselves against people who ?hate
them?, but without understanding why they are hated. Is the cause our secular democracy?
Our appetite for oil? There are lots of democracies in the world that are far more secular than
the United States (Sweden, France ...) and lots of places that want to buy oil at the best
possible price (China) without arousing any noticeable hatred in the Middle East.
Of course, it is true that, throughout the Third World, Americans and Europeans are often
considered arrogant and are not particularly liked. But the level of hatred that leads a large
number of people to applaud an event like September 11 is peculiar to the Middle East.
Indeed, the main political significance of September 11 did not derive from the number of
people killed or even the spectacular achievement of the attackers, but from the fact that the
attack was popular in large parts of the Middle East. That much was understood by American
leaders and infuriated them. Such a level of hatred calls for explanation.
And there can be only one explanation: United States support for Israel. It is indeed Israel that
is the main object of hatred, for reasons we shall describe, but since the United States
uncritically supports Israel on almost every issue, constantly praises it as ?the only democracy
in the Middle East? and provides its main financial backing, the result is a ?transfer? of hatred.
The racist basis of Israel
Why is Israel so hated? The constant stalling of ?peace plans? in favour of more settlements ??
and more war aggravates that hatred ?? but the basic cause lies in the very principles on which
that state is built. There are basically two arguments that have justified establishing the State
of Israel in Palestine: one is that God gave that land to the Jews, and the other is the
Holocaust. The first one is deeply insulting to people who are profoundly religious, like most
Arabs, but of another creed. And, for the second, it amounts to making people pay for a crime
that they did not commit.
Both arguments are deeply racist, with their claim that it is right for Jews, and only Jews, to
set up a state in a land that would obviously be Arab, like Jordan or Lebanon, if not for the
slow Zionist invasion. This is illustrated by the ?law of return?: any Jew, anywhere, having no
connection with Palestine whatsoever, and not suffering from the slightest persecution, can, if
he so wishes, emigrate to Israel and easily become a citizen, while the inhabitants who fled in
1948, or their children, cannot. Add to that the fact that a city claimed to be Holy by three
religions has become the ?eternal capital of the Jewish people? (and only them) and one should
start to understand the rage that all this provokes throughout the Arab and Muslim world.
It is precisely this racist aspect that infuriates most Arabs, even if they do not have any
personal connection to Palestine (if they live, say, in the French banlieues). This situation
delegitimises the Arab regimes that are impotent in the face of the Zionist enemy and, after the
defeat of the region?s two main secular leaders, Nasser and Saddam Hussein (the latter thanks
to the US), leads to the rise of religious fundamentalism.
Now, people often find racism far more unacceptable than ?mere? economic exploitation or
poverty. Consider South Africa: under apartheid, the living conditions of the Blacks were bad
but not necessarily much worse than in other parts of Africa (or even than in South Africa
now). But the system was intrinsically racist, and that was felt as an outrage to Blacks
everywhere, including in the United States. This is why the conflict over Palestine goes beyond
the second class status of Israeli Arabs or even the treatment of the Occupied Territories.
Even if a Palestinian state were established on the latter, and even if full equality were granted
to Israeli Arabs, the wounds of 1948 would not heal quickly. Arab leaders, even religious
ones, can of course sign peace agreements with Israel, but they are fragile so long as the Arab
population considers them unjust and does not accept them wholeheartedly. Palestine is the
Alsace-Lorraine or the Taiwan of the Arab world and the fact that it is impossible to take it
back does not mean that it can be forgotten. (I am not arguing here in favour of ?wiping Israel
off the map? or in favour of a ?one state solution? but simply underlining what seems to me to
be the root and the depth of the problem. In fact, I am not arguing for any solution partly
because none seems to me to be attainable in the short term, but, more fundamentally, because
I do not think that outsiders to the Middle East should propose such solutions.)
The American psyche
There is no sign that any of this is understood in Israel by more than a few individuals; if Arabs
hate them, this is just another instance of the fact that everybody hates Jews and it only proves
that they have to ?defend themselves? (i.e. attack others pre-emptively) by any means
necessary. That is bad enough, but why isn?t this understood in the United States either? There
are traditionally two answers to that: one is that the population is manipulated into supporting
Israel by the government, the arms merchants or the oil industry, because Israel is a strategic
US ally; the other answer is that the United States is manipulated by the Israel lobby. The idea
that Israel is a strategic ally, if by that one means a useful ally (useful to, say, the oil interests,
broadly understood), although widely accepted, specially in the Left, does not survive a critical
examination. That may have been the case in 1967 or even during the Cold War period,
although one could argue that, even then, the Arab states were attracted by the Soviet Union
only because it might support them in their struggle against Israel, albeit ineffectively. But
both in 1991 and in 2003, the United States attacked Iraq without any help from Israel, even
begging Israel not to intervene in 1991, in order for its Arab coalition not to collapse. Or
consider the post-2003 occupation of Iraq, and suppose that the goal of that occupation is
control over oil. In what sense does Israel help in that respect? Everything it does (the currents
attacks on Gaza and Lebanon for example) further alienates the Arabs, and US support for
Israel makes the control of oil harder, not easier. Even the Iraqi parliament, Malaki and
Sistani, who are the closest to allies that the United States can find there, condemn Israel?s
actions.
Finally, just imagine that the United States would make a 180-degree turn and suddenly side
with the Palestinians, as they did with the Kosovars against the Serbs ?? who, by the way,
were, like the Israelis, richer and more ?Western? than their Albanian adversaries. Such a
change of policies is by no means impossible: when Indonesia invaded East Timor in 1975, the
US supported the invasion by providing most of Indonesia?s weapons. Yet, 25 years later, the
US supported, or at least did not oppose, East Timor?s accession to independence.
What effect would that have? Can anyone doubt that such a change of policy would facilitate
US access to oil fields and help it gain strategic allies (if any were still needed) throughout the
Muslim world? In the Middle East, the main charge against the United States is that it is
pro-Israel, because it lets itself be ?manipulated by the Jews?. Therefore, if Washington
switched sides, there would be no more basis for hostility to US presence, including its control
over oil. Thus the notion of Israel as ?strategic ally? makes no sense.
The anti-Semitism boggey
This leads us to the ?Israel lobby? answer, which is closer to the truth, but not the whole truth.
To get a complete picture, one has to understand why the lobby works as effectively as it
does, and that depends on factors lying outside the actions of the lobby itself. After all, the
militant Zionists constituting the lobby are a minority among Jews, who themselves form a
small minority of the American population. The Israel lobby does not work like other lobbies,
for example, the arms and the oil industry lobbies (which is one of the reasons why it is easy to
dismiss it as irrelevant, as long as one does not understand how it really exerts its influence).
Of course, like the latter, the Israel lobby does fund electoral campaigns and its power derives
in part from its ability to target people in Congress who deviate from its ?line?. But if that was
all, it could easily be defeated ?? indeed, there are other sources of electoral funding, the big
industrial lobbies for example, and if the pro-Israel candidates could be shown to be paid to
serve the interests of another State, their opponents could denounce the people who receive
money from the lobby as some sort of agents of a foreign power. Just imagine a pro-French,
pro-Chinese or pro-Japanese lobby that would try to significantly influence the US Congress.
Certainly, money alone cannot suffice.
What protects the Israel lobby is the fact that anyone who would denounce an opponent
funded by the Lobby as a quasi-agent of a foreign power would immediately be accused of
anti-Semitism. In fact, imagine that Big Business is unhappy with the current US policies (as it
well may be) and wants to change them how could they do it? Any criticism of Lobby
influence on US policy would immediately trigger the anti-Zionism-is-anti-Semitism
accusation.
So the strength of the Israel lobby resides in part in this second line of defence, which itself is
linked to its influence on the media. But even that could easily be defeated ?? not all the media
are under the lobby?s influence, and, more importantly, the media is not all-powerful: in
Venezuela, it is anti-Chavez, but Chavez regularly wins elections. In France, the media were
overwhelmingly in favour if the ?yes? vote to the referendum on the European Constitution,
yet the ?no? won. The problem, and that is why the Israel lobby is so effective, is that it
expresses a world view that is accepted too easily by too many Americans. After all, nothing
could be more ridiculous than accusing someone of anti-Semitism because he wants or claims
to put America?s interests above those of Israel. Yet, the accusation is likely to be effective,
but only because years of ideological brainwashing have predisposed people to consider US
and Israeli interests as identical ?? although instead of ?interests? one speaks of ?values?.
Associated with this identification comes a systematically hostile view of the Arab and Muslim
world, which both increases the lobby?s effectiveness and is in part the result of its
propaganda. Despite all the talk about anti-racism and ?political correctness?, there is an
almost total lack of understanding of the Arab viewpoint on Palestine, and, in particular, of the
racist nature of the problem. It is this triple layer of control (selective funding, the
anti-Semitism card, or rather canard, and the interiorisation) that gives the lobby its peculiar
strength. (And that is also why it is easy to dismiss its strength by saying, for instance, that,
obviously, Jews don?t control America. Sure, but direct control is not the way it works.)
People who think that it is the arms or the oil industry that are running the show in
Washington as far as foreign policy is concerned, should at least answer the following
question: how does it work? There is no evidence whatsoever that the oil industry, for
example, pushed for the Iraq war, the threats against Iran or the attack on Lebanon. (There is
a lot of evidence that the Israel lobby pushed for the Iraq war; see Jeff Blankfort, A War for
Israel. They are supposed to act secretly, of course, but where is the evidence that they do?
And if there is no evidence, even no indirect evidence, how does one know? Profits from the
war, at least for major corporations, haven?t materialised yet, and there are many indications
that the US economy will suffer a lot from war-related expenses and the associated deficits.
On the other hand, it is enough to open any mainstream US newspaper or TV and read or hear
opinions expressed by Zionists calling for more war. War needs war propaganda and a
supporting ideology, and the Zionists provide it, while none of this is offered by Big Business
in general or the oil industry in particular.
One may also think of historical precedents, like the China lobby (made of post-1949 Chinese
exiles and ex-missionaries, supported by their domestic churches) in the 1950s and 1960s.
That lobby led the United States to maintain the ridiculous claim that a billion people were
represented by a government (Taiwan) that had no control over them whatsoever. It was also
very influential in bringing on the Vietnam war. Whose interests were they serving? The ones
of the American capitalists? But the latter make huge profits in post-Nixon recognised China.
And the same is true in Vietnam.
In fact both countries, as well as most of Asia, were anti-colonialist and anti-imperialist, as
well as anti-feudal (partly because the feudal structures did not allow them to resist foreign
invasions). But they were anti-capitalist (in the rhetoric, since capitalism barely existed there)
mostly because their aggressors ?? the West ?? were capitalist. So that the main lesson to be
drawn from the tragic history of the China lobby is that it held, during decades, the US policies
hostage to revanchist feudal and clerical forces that were alien to mainstream America, and
actually harmful to capitalist America. But they worked to the extent that their ideology ??
mixing fear with racist contempt for the ?Asian mind? ?? was in sync with Western prejudices.
Replace the China lobby by the Israel one and the Asian mind by the Arab one and you get a
fair picture of what is going on right now in the US-Middle East relation.
Rolling back the lobby
Rolling back the [Zionist] lobby would necessitate a change of the American mentality with
respect to the people of the Middle East, and to Islam, like ending the Vietnam war required a
change in the way Asians were looked at. But that alone would have a greatly humanising
effect on American culture.
It is true that a change in the US policy with respect to the Israel-Palestine conflict would
change nothing about traditional imperialism ?? the United States would still support
traditional elites everywhere, and press countries to provide a ?favourable investment climate?.
But the conflict in the Middle East, involving Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, has all the
aspects of a religious war ?? with Islam on one side and Zionism as a secular Western religion
on the other. And wars of religion tend to be the most brutal and uncontrollable of all wars.
What is at stake in the de-Zionisation of the American mind is not only the fate of the
unfortunate inhabitants of Palestine but also unspeakable miseries for the people of that region
and maybe of the rest of the world. The ultimate irony in all this is that the fate of much of the
world depends of the American people exercising their right to self-determination, which, of
course, they should.
Wednesday August 16 2006 11:58:59 AM BDT
By Jean Bricmont
It is true that a change in the US policy with respect to the Israel-Palestine conflict would
change nothing about traditional imperialism ?? the United States would still support
traditional elites everywhere, and press countries to provide a ?favourable investment
climate?.But the conflict in the Middle East, involving Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Palestine,
has all the aspects of a religious war ?? with Islam on one side and Zionism as a secular
Western religion on the other. And wars of religion tend to be the most brutal and
uncontrollable of all wars. What is at stake in the de-Zionisation of the American mind is not
only the fate of the unfortunate inhabitants of Palestine but also unspeakable miseries for the
people of that region and maybe of the rest of the world. The ultimate irony in all this is that
the fate of much of the world depends of the American people exercising their right to
self-determination, which, of course, they should, writes Jean Bricmont
Americans are constantly told that they have to defend themselves against people who ?hate
them?, but without understanding why they are hated. Is the cause our secular democracy?
Our appetite for oil? There are lots of democracies in the world that are far more secular than
the United States (Sweden, France ...) and lots of places that want to buy oil at the best
possible price (China) without arousing any noticeable hatred in the Middle East.
Of course, it is true that, throughout the Third World, Americans and Europeans are often
considered arrogant and are not particularly liked. But the level of hatred that leads a large
number of people to applaud an event like September 11 is peculiar to the Middle East.
Indeed, the main political significance of September 11 did not derive from the number of
people killed or even the spectacular achievement of the attackers, but from the fact that the
attack was popular in large parts of the Middle East. That much was understood by American
leaders and infuriated them. Such a level of hatred calls for explanation.
And there can be only one explanation: United States support for Israel. It is indeed Israel that
is the main object of hatred, for reasons we shall describe, but since the United States
uncritically supports Israel on almost every issue, constantly praises it as ?the only democracy
in the Middle East? and provides its main financial backing, the result is a ?transfer? of hatred.
The racist basis of Israel
Why is Israel so hated? The constant stalling of ?peace plans? in favour of more settlements ??
and more war aggravates that hatred ?? but the basic cause lies in the very principles on which
that state is built. There are basically two arguments that have justified establishing the State
of Israel in Palestine: one is that God gave that land to the Jews, and the other is the
Holocaust. The first one is deeply insulting to people who are profoundly religious, like most
Arabs, but of another creed. And, for the second, it amounts to making people pay for a crime
that they did not commit.
Both arguments are deeply racist, with their claim that it is right for Jews, and only Jews, to
set up a state in a land that would obviously be Arab, like Jordan or Lebanon, if not for the
slow Zionist invasion. This is illustrated by the ?law of return?: any Jew, anywhere, having no
connection with Palestine whatsoever, and not suffering from the slightest persecution, can, if
he so wishes, emigrate to Israel and easily become a citizen, while the inhabitants who fled in
1948, or their children, cannot. Add to that the fact that a city claimed to be Holy by three
religions has become the ?eternal capital of the Jewish people? (and only them) and one should
start to understand the rage that all this provokes throughout the Arab and Muslim world.
It is precisely this racist aspect that infuriates most Arabs, even if they do not have any
personal connection to Palestine (if they live, say, in the French banlieues). This situation
delegitimises the Arab regimes that are impotent in the face of the Zionist enemy and, after the
defeat of the region?s two main secular leaders, Nasser and Saddam Hussein (the latter thanks
to the US), leads to the rise of religious fundamentalism.
Now, people often find racism far more unacceptable than ?mere? economic exploitation or
poverty. Consider South Africa: under apartheid, the living conditions of the Blacks were bad
but not necessarily much worse than in other parts of Africa (or even than in South Africa
now). But the system was intrinsically racist, and that was felt as an outrage to Blacks
everywhere, including in the United States. This is why the conflict over Palestine goes beyond
the second class status of Israeli Arabs or even the treatment of the Occupied Territories.
Even if a Palestinian state were established on the latter, and even if full equality were granted
to Israeli Arabs, the wounds of 1948 would not heal quickly. Arab leaders, even religious
ones, can of course sign peace agreements with Israel, but they are fragile so long as the Arab
population considers them unjust and does not accept them wholeheartedly. Palestine is the
Alsace-Lorraine or the Taiwan of the Arab world and the fact that it is impossible to take it
back does not mean that it can be forgotten. (I am not arguing here in favour of ?wiping Israel
off the map? or in favour of a ?one state solution? but simply underlining what seems to me to
be the root and the depth of the problem. In fact, I am not arguing for any solution partly
because none seems to me to be attainable in the short term, but, more fundamentally, because
I do not think that outsiders to the Middle East should propose such solutions.)
The American psyche
There is no sign that any of this is understood in Israel by more than a few individuals; if Arabs
hate them, this is just another instance of the fact that everybody hates Jews and it only proves
that they have to ?defend themselves? (i.e. attack others pre-emptively) by any means
necessary. That is bad enough, but why isn?t this understood in the United States either? There
are traditionally two answers to that: one is that the population is manipulated into supporting
Israel by the government, the arms merchants or the oil industry, because Israel is a strategic
US ally; the other answer is that the United States is manipulated by the Israel lobby. The idea
that Israel is a strategic ally, if by that one means a useful ally (useful to, say, the oil interests,
broadly understood), although widely accepted, specially in the Left, does not survive a critical
examination. That may have been the case in 1967 or even during the Cold War period,
although one could argue that, even then, the Arab states were attracted by the Soviet Union
only because it might support them in their struggle against Israel, albeit ineffectively. But
both in 1991 and in 2003, the United States attacked Iraq without any help from Israel, even
begging Israel not to intervene in 1991, in order for its Arab coalition not to collapse. Or
consider the post-2003 occupation of Iraq, and suppose that the goal of that occupation is
control over oil. In what sense does Israel help in that respect? Everything it does (the currents
attacks on Gaza and Lebanon for example) further alienates the Arabs, and US support for
Israel makes the control of oil harder, not easier. Even the Iraqi parliament, Malaki and
Sistani, who are the closest to allies that the United States can find there, condemn Israel?s
actions.
Finally, just imagine that the United States would make a 180-degree turn and suddenly side
with the Palestinians, as they did with the Kosovars against the Serbs ?? who, by the way,
were, like the Israelis, richer and more ?Western? than their Albanian adversaries. Such a
change of policies is by no means impossible: when Indonesia invaded East Timor in 1975, the
US supported the invasion by providing most of Indonesia?s weapons. Yet, 25 years later, the
US supported, or at least did not oppose, East Timor?s accession to independence.
What effect would that have? Can anyone doubt that such a change of policy would facilitate
US access to oil fields and help it gain strategic allies (if any were still needed) throughout the
Muslim world? In the Middle East, the main charge against the United States is that it is
pro-Israel, because it lets itself be ?manipulated by the Jews?. Therefore, if Washington
switched sides, there would be no more basis for hostility to US presence, including its control
over oil. Thus the notion of Israel as ?strategic ally? makes no sense.
The anti-Semitism boggey
This leads us to the ?Israel lobby? answer, which is closer to the truth, but not the whole truth.
To get a complete picture, one has to understand why the lobby works as effectively as it
does, and that depends on factors lying outside the actions of the lobby itself. After all, the
militant Zionists constituting the lobby are a minority among Jews, who themselves form a
small minority of the American population. The Israel lobby does not work like other lobbies,
for example, the arms and the oil industry lobbies (which is one of the reasons why it is easy to
dismiss it as irrelevant, as long as one does not understand how it really exerts its influence).
Of course, like the latter, the Israel lobby does fund electoral campaigns and its power derives
in part from its ability to target people in Congress who deviate from its ?line?. But if that was
all, it could easily be defeated ?? indeed, there are other sources of electoral funding, the big
industrial lobbies for example, and if the pro-Israel candidates could be shown to be paid to
serve the interests of another State, their opponents could denounce the people who receive
money from the lobby as some sort of agents of a foreign power. Just imagine a pro-French,
pro-Chinese or pro-Japanese lobby that would try to significantly influence the US Congress.
Certainly, money alone cannot suffice.
What protects the Israel lobby is the fact that anyone who would denounce an opponent
funded by the Lobby as a quasi-agent of a foreign power would immediately be accused of
anti-Semitism. In fact, imagine that Big Business is unhappy with the current US policies (as it
well may be) and wants to change them how could they do it? Any criticism of Lobby
influence on US policy would immediately trigger the anti-Zionism-is-anti-Semitism
accusation.
So the strength of the Israel lobby resides in part in this second line of defence, which itself is
linked to its influence on the media. But even that could easily be defeated ?? not all the media
are under the lobby?s influence, and, more importantly, the media is not all-powerful: in
Venezuela, it is anti-Chavez, but Chavez regularly wins elections. In France, the media were
overwhelmingly in favour if the ?yes? vote to the referendum on the European Constitution,
yet the ?no? won. The problem, and that is why the Israel lobby is so effective, is that it
expresses a world view that is accepted too easily by too many Americans. After all, nothing
could be more ridiculous than accusing someone of anti-Semitism because he wants or claims
to put America?s interests above those of Israel. Yet, the accusation is likely to be effective,
but only because years of ideological brainwashing have predisposed people to consider US
and Israeli interests as identical ?? although instead of ?interests? one speaks of ?values?.
Associated with this identification comes a systematically hostile view of the Arab and Muslim
world, which both increases the lobby?s effectiveness and is in part the result of its
propaganda. Despite all the talk about anti-racism and ?political correctness?, there is an
almost total lack of understanding of the Arab viewpoint on Palestine, and, in particular, of the
racist nature of the problem. It is this triple layer of control (selective funding, the
anti-Semitism card, or rather canard, and the interiorisation) that gives the lobby its peculiar
strength. (And that is also why it is easy to dismiss its strength by saying, for instance, that,
obviously, Jews don?t control America. Sure, but direct control is not the way it works.)
People who think that it is the arms or the oil industry that are running the show in
Washington as far as foreign policy is concerned, should at least answer the following
question: how does it work? There is no evidence whatsoever that the oil industry, for
example, pushed for the Iraq war, the threats against Iran or the attack on Lebanon. (There is
a lot of evidence that the Israel lobby pushed for the Iraq war; see Jeff Blankfort, A War for
Israel. They are supposed to act secretly, of course, but where is the evidence that they do?
And if there is no evidence, even no indirect evidence, how does one know? Profits from the
war, at least for major corporations, haven?t materialised yet, and there are many indications
that the US economy will suffer a lot from war-related expenses and the associated deficits.
On the other hand, it is enough to open any mainstream US newspaper or TV and read or hear
opinions expressed by Zionists calling for more war. War needs war propaganda and a
supporting ideology, and the Zionists provide it, while none of this is offered by Big Business
in general or the oil industry in particular.
One may also think of historical precedents, like the China lobby (made of post-1949 Chinese
exiles and ex-missionaries, supported by their domestic churches) in the 1950s and 1960s.
That lobby led the United States to maintain the ridiculous claim that a billion people were
represented by a government (Taiwan) that had no control over them whatsoever. It was also
very influential in bringing on the Vietnam war. Whose interests were they serving? The ones
of the American capitalists? But the latter make huge profits in post-Nixon recognised China.
And the same is true in Vietnam.
In fact both countries, as well as most of Asia, were anti-colonialist and anti-imperialist, as
well as anti-feudal (partly because the feudal structures did not allow them to resist foreign
invasions). But they were anti-capitalist (in the rhetoric, since capitalism barely existed there)
mostly because their aggressors ?? the West ?? were capitalist. So that the main lesson to be
drawn from the tragic history of the China lobby is that it held, during decades, the US policies
hostage to revanchist feudal and clerical forces that were alien to mainstream America, and
actually harmful to capitalist America. But they worked to the extent that their ideology ??
mixing fear with racist contempt for the ?Asian mind? ?? was in sync with Western prejudices.
Replace the China lobby by the Israel one and the Asian mind by the Arab one and you get a
fair picture of what is going on right now in the US-Middle East relation.
Rolling back the lobby
Rolling back the [Zionist] lobby would necessitate a change of the American mentality with
respect to the people of the Middle East, and to Islam, like ending the Vietnam war required a
change in the way Asians were looked at. But that alone would have a greatly humanising
effect on American culture.
It is true that a change in the US policy with respect to the Israel-Palestine conflict would
change nothing about traditional imperialism ?? the United States would still support
traditional elites everywhere, and press countries to provide a ?favourable investment climate?.
But the conflict in the Middle East, involving Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, has all the
aspects of a religious war ?? with Islam on one side and Zionism as a secular Western religion
on the other. And wars of religion tend to be the most brutal and uncontrollable of all wars.
What is at stake in the de-Zionisation of the American mind is not only the fate of the
unfortunate inhabitants of Palestine but also unspeakable miseries for the people of that region
and maybe of the rest of the world. The ultimate irony in all this is that the fate of much of the
world depends of the American people exercising their right to self-determination, which, of
course, they should.
Posted by: peacekeep at August 18, 2006 08:27 AM (vVgRE)
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hey peacekeep are u muslim? arab? huh !
Posted by: peacekeeper at August 18, 2006 08:32 AM (vVgRE)
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hey rooster why you so quite ?
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What a windbag. I didn't even bother reading even a paragraph of that wannabe novelist!
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at August 21, 2006 01:10 AM (gLMre)
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August 11, 2006
Just Who Are These "Asians"?
Geography quiz: which, if any, of the following countries are "Asian" countries?[ANSWER BELOW THE FOLD]
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India
Iran
Iraq
Israel
Pakistan
Saudi Arabia
Syria
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Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at August 11, 2006 06:34 PM (Bp6wV)
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If I had to pick one, I would say None since they are all in the Asia region.
Posted by: Cmunk at August 11, 2006 06:34 PM (n4VvM)
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From what I have seen of Pakistani Muslims, a lot of them are amongst the most vicious Islamists; I mean vicious enough to make Osama Bin-Laden proud!
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at August 11, 2006 06:51 PM (Bp6wV)
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Its bad for 'real' asian people. 
Now all dumb people pointing to 'real' asian people and say 'Asian are TERRORIST'.
sry for bad english ^^
Now all dumb people pointing to 'real' asian people and say 'Asian are TERRORIST'.
sry for bad english ^^
Posted by: MajorDad at August 11, 2006 06:55 PM (B7x5K)
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"Asians" are those tiny cute chicks with olive complexions and raven hair, by my definition. But hey, I'm a bachelor.
I say we call Arab terrorists "Ishmaelites." That's sure to induce strokes in all of the right people.
I say we call Arab terrorists "Ishmaelites." That's sure to induce strokes in all of the right people.
Posted by: Hucbald at August 11, 2006 07:08 PM (Q6gPh)
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I always liked "Pakis", but it was discredited a while ago as being offensive. Who knew?
Posted by: oseaghdha at August 11, 2006 07:11 PM (Tcfhr)
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Olive skin and raving hair! Hmmm! Think I'll go pay Michelle Malkin a visit ..... on her site of course! sigh! ;-) I think Bush finally said it right with the Islamic dodo-heads or whatever it was. Extremists, terrorists. The geography is interesting, but it is the theocracy based organization of Islam that needs to be dealt with.
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at August 11, 2006 07:42 PM (gLMre)
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Finally people are noticing it. Being an Indian living in the UK for some time now, its quite distressing to see the media constantly referring to the terrorists as Asians, thus painting even Indians in a bad light. Clear distinctions need to be made and country or origin based identification should be made in the media because unlike the Chinese or Koreans there are very few differences in the appearance of Indians and Pakistanis. I've lost count of the number of times people have thought that I'm a Pakistani. Also the number of radical muslims that i've come across in the UK is beyond belief. After having lived in the UK for over two years now, the results of the various surveys about the degree of radicalisation among British Muslims do not come as a surprise. James Forsyth, an editor of Foreign Policy magazine touches upon the sobering results of the surveys here...
Its only after 9/11, that the developed countries of the west woke up to the threat posed by the ideology of extremist Islam and its followers, while we Indians have been experiencing it for over two decades (Its much less than the Israelis, I admit.) But the failure of the US and the UK to recognise the role played by Pakistan in training and assisting the jihadis, will only lead to further problems. Nitin Pai in this post on "The Indian National Interest" touches on the Pakistan problem. Also noteworthy is this comment on the same post.
Its only after 9/11, that the developed countries of the west woke up to the threat posed by the ideology of extremist Islam and its followers, while we Indians have been experiencing it for over two decades (Its much less than the Israelis, I admit.) But the failure of the US and the UK to recognise the role played by Pakistan in training and assisting the jihadis, will only lead to further problems. Nitin Pai in this post on "The Indian National Interest" touches on the Pakistan problem. Also noteworthy is this comment on the same post.
Posted by: Ken at August 11, 2006 08:00 PM (rXl/4)
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Ken, very interesting, and I want you to know that I just finishing reading a history of the Muslim conquests in India, and I was sickened by the brutality of it. What India has experienced at the hands of the Muslims is beyond what the rest of the World suffered, and I can assure you that the rest of the World has suffered horribly, but India certainly bore the brunt of the conquests. That a mountain range was named for the slaughter of the Hindus(Hindu Kush) says it all.
Posted by: jesusland joe at August 11, 2006 08:21 PM (rUyw4)
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Ken,
I assume you're from India; and as I recall Indian folks suffered waves of genocide at the hands of Islam before the British gained infulence there. Wasn't the last Mongol King defeated by an alliance of Brits, Sikhs, and Hindu's?
I assume you're from India; and as I recall Indian folks suffered waves of genocide at the hands of Islam before the British gained infulence there. Wasn't the last Mongol King defeated by an alliance of Brits, Sikhs, and Hindu's?
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at August 11, 2006 08:53 PM (Bp6wV)
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Please, Hucbald, don't start talking about Asian girls here, or that Jack Sanderson dude will show up and start pimping his website. He's been spamming me nonstop, asking me why I don't like foreign women and crap like that. He's as nutty as a Christmas cake.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 11, 2006 09:02 PM (v3I+x)
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Maxie, you don't like foreign women? I thought you did, except for the ones in the burkas. Do you have a confession to make?
Posted by: jesusland joe at August 11, 2006 09:31 PM (rUyw4)
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Do we need to jump into the internal policys of the UK and Pakistan at this time. Give it a break for awhile. They were just instumental in stopping a horrible event.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 11, 2006 09:49 PM (AG5IC)
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Iran is the enemy. Focus, focus, focus.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 11, 2006 09:50 PM (AG5IC)
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Amadbadboobyjob is going to be on 60 Minutes Sunday.
(Amadmadinajad?)
All of you who are male, and over 5' 11" tall. Please, listen to me. This guy is a short f**ker. This should give you an idea of what personality we are up against. Little guys are the biggest pains in the ass the world has ever known. The most ridiculous thing of it all is Chavez and Assad tower over this chump. Why don't they just snach his little stupid ass up, and take over his country?
(Amadmadinajad?)
All of you who are male, and over 5' 11" tall. Please, listen to me. This guy is a short f**ker. This should give you an idea of what personality we are up against. Little guys are the biggest pains in the ass the world has ever known. The most ridiculous thing of it all is Chavez and Assad tower over this chump. Why don't they just snach his little stupid ass up, and take over his country?
Posted by: Cmunk at August 11, 2006 10:25 PM (n4VvM)
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JJ, it's not that I don't like them, it's that he won't f*#%ing shut up about them, and he goes on and on about his website, which he claims isn't his, but he sure as hell promotes it like it is. See, he claims he lives in Europe, and prefers Eastern European women, but he bitches ceaselessly about some law that restricts meeting foreigners online. If he lives there, and prefers the women, then why else would he pimp a website for Americans to meet foreign women? He's about a half bubble off plumb if you ask me, and if he emails you, for Pete's sake don't encourage him. If he doesn't stop spamming me I'm going to report him to his ISP.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 11, 2006 10:28 PM (v3I+x)
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Sonds like love to me.
Posted by: Cmunk at August 11, 2006 10:32 PM (n4VvM)
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What the h%ll do the folks at Sixty-Minutes think they can get from interviewing this Arab-worshipping bona fide delusional psychopathic mass murderer?
This jackass actually believes that his deity is sitting at the bottom of a well in Iran waiting for Shii'tes to have prepared the way for his coming. He's known to have written letters addressed to the same deity and dropped them in that well! He believes this bullsh#t so strongly that he's already drawn up city plans for the capital of this global Caliphate under the rule of the well-dwelling deity!
If delusional bullsh#t is what Mike Wallace wants, a much cheaper alternative would've been to consume some potent narcotics, magic mushrooms or whatever ......
This jackass actually believes that his deity is sitting at the bottom of a well in Iran waiting for Shii'tes to have prepared the way for his coming. He's known to have written letters addressed to the same deity and dropped them in that well! He believes this bullsh#t so strongly that he's already drawn up city plans for the capital of this global Caliphate under the rule of the well-dwelling deity!
If delusional bullsh#t is what Mike Wallace wants, a much cheaper alternative would've been to consume some potent narcotics, magic mushrooms or whatever ......
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at August 11, 2006 10:38 PM (Bp6wV)
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Whos the delusional one? Friggin Iranian.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 11, 2006 10:55 PM (AG5IC)
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Cmuck, I am married to a man who is under 5'6", so stop with the comparisons of short men w/personalities of Iranian dictators. That totally pisses me off. All of the tall men that I dated tried to physically intimidate me when I disagreed with them and wanted a bubblebrain for a girlfriend. Funny how they still wanted to copy my homework. I am neither easily intimidated nor idiotic, and my husband is most certainly not the dictatorial type because of his stature. And BTW, Donald Rumsfeld is 5'7", Condoleeza Rice is 5'6", and Dick Cheney is 5'8".
/totally off topic rant off
/totally off topic rant off
Posted by: RepJ at August 11, 2006 11:17 PM (uy3W4)
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and hondo is 5'7" - in my prime age at 145+lbs I spent many a joyful day getting into fights with the biggest guys I cold find. Yeah, I lost often - but won a few too - all did wonders for my reputation. Oh, an Astrid was 5'10" along with a few others who topped 6 ft. Ya never know till you try.
Posted by: hondo at August 12, 2006 07:08 AM (XrexX)
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As a mid-sized guy myself, I always hated getting in fights with short guys, because they have such economy of movement. Conversely, I didn't mind fighting tall guys, because their jewels were much more vulnerable to a good uppercut after I ducked their attempt to hit me in the face, which was the only part convenient for them to reach. Becuase of them having to punch downward, they were off balance and much easier to push over after a couple of shots to the groin and midsection. It's funny watching a big guy writhing on the ground, wretching from the pain in his cojones. It's also a good time for a boot to the tailbone, just so he'll remember me.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 12, 2006 09:34 AM (v3I+x)
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maxie
Ah maxie, a man after my own heart! Worst beating I ever took was at at the hands of a 5'3" 125lb runt from Utah. Turned out the kid was a damn good college boxer from BYU. Damn, those Mormons stay fit! Had to use my teeth just to get a draw!
Damn embarrassing!
Ah maxie, a man after my own heart! Worst beating I ever took was at at the hands of a 5'3" 125lb runt from Utah. Turned out the kid was a damn good college boxer from BYU. Damn, those Mormons stay fit! Had to use my teeth just to get a draw!
Damn embarrassing!
Posted by: hondo at August 12, 2006 09:44 AM (XrexX)
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Damn, why didn't I have hondo and maxie with me when I visited that cajun joint just outside New Iberia, La.? Kinda like Ron White, I didn't know how many it would take to whoop my ass, but I saw how many they had, and I knew it was going to be bad. I still miss that tooth, and I always take my cousin's advice and never stare at a coon ass, no matter how stupid he looks. And I never take offense when he makes a pass at a local girl my cousin just happened to fix me up with. Good advice for hondo and maxie, too.
Posted by: jesusland joe at August 12, 2006 10:45 AM (rUyw4)
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We're no fools! We don't mess with no cajuns! Besides, the girl could have been his cousin too - there - who knows!
Posted by: hondo at August 12, 2006 11:34 AM (XrexX)
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I never fight fair against anyone, because anyone stupid enough to pick a fight doesn't deserve the courtesy. That said, I try to avoid people who are stupid enough to pick a fight, but if it can't be avoided, I try to end the fight at the beginning, preferably by the use of something harder than my fist and the antagonist's head.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 12, 2006 12:05 PM (v3I+x)
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Small pointer to my American friends. For reasons that are unknown to me, in England when they say "Asian" they mean "South Asian". To my English friends, in America (and Canada) when they say "Asian" they mean "East Asian". Describing a bunch of guys of Pakistani descent as "Asian" is not something that was made up just to avoid calling them "murderous scumbags" (them or their two dumb-ass English convert friends).
Posted by: Flea at August 12, 2006 03:04 PM (Mcw9l)
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Ken, Flea's right. It still confuses me in the Brit usage when I run across "Asian" being used in that context. Some of my Sikh neighbors have had a hard time recently with the turban thing, but ol' Singh (and his buddy, Singh, and his cousin, Singh)put a serious hurt on the misguided sob, then explained (very politely) that he (and his buddies) were not Moslems, and didn't want ANY intolerant assholes in their neighborhood, starting with him. Then they helped him into the ambulance.
In Houston there is an enclave of Sikhs in the Montrose area, an area known mostly for its "artistic" (read "gay, poseur, ill-groomed, leftist") aesthetic. You can tell the Sikh area - its the one with the yards mowed, the clean streets, and the American flags. Better neighbors I've never had.
In Houston there is an enclave of Sikhs in the Montrose area, an area known mostly for its "artistic" (read "gay, poseur, ill-groomed, leftist") aesthetic. You can tell the Sikh area - its the one with the yards mowed, the clean streets, and the American flags. Better neighbors I've never had.
Posted by: ktel at August 12, 2006 03:23 PM (p0XuB)
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Give till it hurts...someone else.
Moslems are required by their faith to donate a portion of their yearly wealth to charity.
This is good and noble.
However if an honest, law-abiding American Moslem gives alms they may also be funding terror unwittingly. The issue of Moslem charities either duping the giver or enabling actual terror funding knowingly by the donor appears endemic amongst moslem charities.
Many Christians and Jews ask how could a charity fund terror? Probably because non-Moslems don’t understand what is meant by the Koranic injunction to give.
So who DESERVE alms according to Islam?
The requirement to give is called "Zakah" or "Zakat".
One of the five pillars of Islam is the requirement that every Muslims contribute to Zakat. According to the Qur'an, the Zakat funds MUST be used to suport the following.
*The poor who do not beg for support.
*The poor who beg for support.
*Those who administer the collection and distribution of the Zakat funds.
*Those who may be enticed to Islam as well as new converts who need financial support.
*Those Muslim slaves who may have their freedom purchased.
*Muslim travelers who need assistance while on a journey.
*Those who are fighting in the Cause of Allah, i.e. Mujahideen, Holy Warriors, Jihadist. Today they are known as Terrorist by non-moslems.
Huh! It makes sense why you have groups like the following (and so many others):
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Benevolence International ….
The rest at my site
Moslems are required by their faith to donate a portion of their yearly wealth to charity.
This is good and noble.
However if an honest, law-abiding American Moslem gives alms they may also be funding terror unwittingly. The issue of Moslem charities either duping the giver or enabling actual terror funding knowingly by the donor appears endemic amongst moslem charities.
Many Christians and Jews ask how could a charity fund terror? Probably because non-Moslems don’t understand what is meant by the Koranic injunction to give.
So who DESERVE alms according to Islam?
The requirement to give is called "Zakah" or "Zakat".
One of the five pillars of Islam is the requirement that every Muslims contribute to Zakat. According to the Qur'an, the Zakat funds MUST be used to suport the following.
*The poor who do not beg for support.
*The poor who beg for support.
*Those who administer the collection and distribution of the Zakat funds.
*Those who may be enticed to Islam as well as new converts who need financial support.
*Those Muslim slaves who may have their freedom purchased.
*Muslim travelers who need assistance while on a journey.
*Those who are fighting in the Cause of Allah, i.e. Mujahideen, Holy Warriors, Jihadist. Today they are known as Terrorist by non-moslems.
Huh! It makes sense why you have groups like the following (and so many others):
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Benevolence International ….
The rest at my site
Posted by: massachusetts republican at August 12, 2006 06:32 PM (TiKv7)
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MR,ther's no unwittinglyness about it; all muslims know where their money goes. The local mosque her supported the Chechen and Kosovar jihadis, and ran a chapter of the muslim brotherhood. Once there are enough of them, and they have enough dhimmis in government, they will bring the war to us, right here in America, in a very real way.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 13, 2006 10:32 AM (v3I+x)
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RepJ I hope you husband treats you well. Can't answer for the tall guys whose homework you did for them. Sounds like a personal shortcoming. As for intimidation, I was never into that. Besides, intimidation is not limited to tall people. Short guys in power use their power to intimidate.
Also, if I intimidate you, is that my fault? Anone who uses height as a measure of strength is already made a mistake. I was lit up by a whole bunch of little Thai guys and paid a price. My point is Ahmadinijad is a typical short man with a short man's chip on his shoulder, and we are all paying the price for this.If you husband ever takes over a hostile country, and makes threats towards me, I will probably dog on him too.
Hondo made my point. I don't know if that was his intention. Small guys are the ones most likely to pick a fight to prove something.
RepJ I hope you husband treats you well. Can't answer for the tall guys whose homework you did for them. Sounds like a personal shortcoming. As for intimidation, I was never into that. Besides, intimidation is not limited to tall people. Short guys in power use their power to intimidate.
Also, if I intimidate you, is that my fault? Anone who uses height as a measure of strength is already made a mistake. I was lit up by a whole bunch of little Thai guys and paid a price. My point is Ahmadinijad is a typical short man with a short man's chip on his shoulder, and we are all paying the price for this.If you husband ever takes over a hostile country, and makes threats towards me, I will probably dog on him too.
Posted by: SeeMonk at August 13, 2006 02:37 PM (n4VvM)
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Seemonk (changed your handle?)
That wasn't my intention, but I did inadverently walk into it. I disagree (being serious). Your generalization concerning height is far to broad to be given serious consideration.
The term you are looking for is not chip on shoulder, but over compensation - in the case of the Iranian president the actual driving force is insanity. Your attempting to explain him by extrapolating motivation by using a simple physical discription too simplistic a parameter.
That wasn't my intention, but I did inadverently walk into it. I disagree (being serious). Your generalization concerning height is far to broad to be given serious consideration.
The term you are looking for is not chip on shoulder, but over compensation - in the case of the Iranian president the actual driving force is insanity. Your attempting to explain him by extrapolating motivation by using a simple physical discription too simplistic a parameter.
Posted by: hondo at August 13, 2006 04:25 PM (XrexX)
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Yep, I see in this little bastard the same over compensation I have experienced with small men who abuse authority. I don't doubt he is nuts. Most fanatics are. The rest are just crazy. Yes I changed for the new site I opened. I could not register my old one.
Posted by: SeeMonk at August 13, 2006 06:26 PM (n4VvM)
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Repj: Ever gotten straightened out by 6'5"'r. Try it, you'll like it. The vertically challenged are usually very pushy. Like they have something to prove. That is unles they're gutless. Then they let the ladies rule the roost out of fear. I let the lady rule because everyone sees the irony. Also a lot of short men are academic meatheads. They studied while the rest of use played football and partied.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 14, 2006 08:48 PM (y5dGS)
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Further more people my size are afraid of short people. They get so scared you never can tell what they'll pull out.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 14, 2006 08:57 PM (y5dGS)
Posted by: hondo at August 15, 2006 01:13 PM (XrexX)
Arend on "Islamic Fascism"
Georgetown's Anthony Arend has noticed Bush's new-found affection for the term "Islamic Fascism". According to Arend, the term "Islamic fascism" was first employed on May 25th of this year and has been used on a number of occasions since. Arend comments:
The use of these terms-- "Islamic fascism" and "totalitarianism"-- is most interesting. Unlike many previous Administration statements that characterized the enemy merely as "terrorists," these statements indicate an effort to describe both a brand of ideology and a method of imposing that ideology-- I take totalitarianism to be a method of imposing the ideology. As some level, the use of these terms seems to be a theoretical advance. . . .These are excellent points, though I'm not sure that "totalitarianism" is only a method. It certainly seems that sharia law is, itself, a brand of totalitarianism, and the imposition of sharia law on the world is the goal of the Islamic fascists. In other words, totalitarianism--i.e., acceptance of total control, by the ulema, of all aspects of personal, economic and political life--is the ultimate end sought. I have a bit of difficulty with the idea that totalitarianism is merely a method.Moreover, the use of "Islamic fascism " and "totalitarianism" also seems to have a significant public relations component. It reminds me of the Second World War. At that time, the United States and its allies were often portrayed as fighting a war against "fascism" or "totalitarianism." By using these words, Bush seems to be connecting the current conflict with what is often seen as the epic battle between good and evil that played itself our in World War II.
At any rate, it's critical that the people understand that we're not at war with an emotion (terror), an unsavory tactic (terrorism) or the adherents of that tactic (terrorists). Although many of our enemies are terrorists, our enemies could cease the use of terrorism tomorrow and not end this conflict. If Hizb'Allah stopped shooting unguided rockets at cities (i.e., terrorism) and started firing guided missiles at Israeli military bases (not terrorism), this would not end the conflict. The conflict in Lebanon is a perfect illustration of the fact that we're not at war with "terror" (i.e., an emotion), "terrorism" (i.e., a tactic) or even "terrorists" (i.e., political militants that employ that particular tactic). We can quibble over whether "fascists" is the perfect word, but I'm willing to accept it as a fairly reasonable approximation of what we're facing in this struggle. The sooner we all understand that, the better.
Props to Prof. Bainbridge.
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Islamic idiocy would more suit the situation.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 11, 2006 12:04 PM (AG5IC)
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I fervently hope that this is the start of a trend, wherein the MSM keeps using phrases such as "Islamic Fascism", et al, to the point it becomes ingrained into the everyday reporting. Long overdue. The first step in solving a problem: identify the problem.
The Problem is religious fanaticism from Islamic extremists. Call the f-ing duck a duck. I was raised a Methodist. If it were "Methodist Extremists" (makes me giggle a bit when I see it) doing this, I would be protesting very loudly out in the streets, PC-be-damned.
The Problem is religious fanaticism from Islamic extremists. Call the f-ing duck a duck. I was raised a Methodist. If it were "Methodist Extremists" (makes me giggle a bit when I see it) doing this, I would be protesting very loudly out in the streets, PC-be-damned.
Posted by: EricInTexas at August 11, 2006 12:33 PM (UtF+A)
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Eric is right. How can we attack a problem when PC attitudes get in the way of giving it an identity?
We are not alone in our struggles as country in getting to the fight. It seems our parents, parents, struggled a bit despite the fact they are considered the Greatest Generation. They too needed guidance and some gentle persuasion.
We are not alone in our struggles as country in getting to the fight. It seems our parents, parents, struggled a bit despite the fact they are considered the Greatest Generation. They too needed guidance and some gentle persuasion.
Posted by: Cmunk at August 11, 2006 12:52 PM (7teJ9)
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Some mind-boggling thoughts, concerning our great country and what is obviously WW III blooming right in front of us... Brokaw's "Greatest Generation", every member of which I would buy dinner for, and offer a heartfelt "thank you" to for their service if I recognized them at the local diner, fought the last great war in which the majority of the American public was almost 100% behind. My father/father-in-law's war in Korea was when politics started interfering with the job at hand. It cost MacArthur his job, as he, like the other great leaders of the prior war like Patton, Bradley, Montgomery, Halsey, knew only how to fight a war to win. I can't imagine what goes thru my Dad's mind, as he thinks back to the GI's he patched up as a corpsman, or my father-in-law, as he still feels the sting of Chinese machine gun bullet fragments on a rainy day, and sees idiots like Kim Jong-Ill still prattling on in N. Korea. They both had very different ideas about how the war they volunteered to go fight would turn out.
But, my point - check out the old WWII posters from back then. There was no PC police around to interfere, and the "Huns", and "Japs" (sorry to my Japanese friends, I'm making a point here) were depicted as animals, and it contributed to our resolve as a nation. The enemy did the same thing then......
...and our enemy does the same thing now.
Do we really think the "Islamic ACLU" is censoring propaganda over there?
FOCUS. Now More Than Ever.
But, my point - check out the old WWII posters from back then. There was no PC police around to interfere, and the "Huns", and "Japs" (sorry to my Japanese friends, I'm making a point here) were depicted as animals, and it contributed to our resolve as a nation. The enemy did the same thing then......
...and our enemy does the same thing now.
Do we really think the "Islamic ACLU" is censoring propaganda over there?
FOCUS. Now More Than Ever.
Posted by: EricInTexas at August 11, 2006 01:19 PM (UtF+A)
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Good finish, Eric.
The good old days, when a kraut was a kraut, a nip was a nip. We all love each other now though, right?
CAIR needs to do more to show why we should be tolerant while they attack us (us being anyone not following their strict rules).
And you're right our enemies do the same thing. Funny thing is, they can hire American born actors to star in their hate-ertainment.
Haywood wants everyone to have a great weekend.
p.s. If anybody needs some shampoo, toothpaste, aftershave, or lotion, Haywood can run over to Midway and hit the dumpster, let me know. Good pickin's this weekend! Gonna be some sweet smellin' sout' siders!
The good old days, when a kraut was a kraut, a nip was a nip. We all love each other now though, right?
CAIR needs to do more to show why we should be tolerant while they attack us (us being anyone not following their strict rules).
And you're right our enemies do the same thing. Funny thing is, they can hire American born actors to star in their hate-ertainment.
Haywood wants everyone to have a great weekend.
p.s. If anybody needs some shampoo, toothpaste, aftershave, or lotion, Haywood can run over to Midway and hit the dumpster, let me know. Good pickin's this weekend! Gonna be some sweet smellin' sout' siders!
Posted by: haywood jablowmi at August 11, 2006 01:32 PM (VUmVc)
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I'm playing with the terms "Shari'ists" and "Caliphists" along with the diminutive and ironic "Caliphniks." These terms put the focus on the desired outcome, rather than a tactic or political orientation. It also ties together terrorists with those who would impose Sharia Law through Western legal systems and elections.
Posted by: Eric J at August 11, 2006 01:36 PM (hrQvk)
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I like the word "caliphist"
Needs a definition, I suppose, but I like the concept. Draws a much clearer line between the two sides.
Needs a definition, I suppose, but I like the concept. Draws a much clearer line between the two sides.
Posted by: The All-Seeing Eye at August 11, 2006 01:53 PM (c/4ax)
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What about saladfist. Sort of an Oz thing, salad tossing and all of that.
Posted by: Cmunk at August 11, 2006 02:06 PM (7teJ9)
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Eye: why do you like "caliphist?" On first blush, it sounds old-fashioned, but on second thought, maybe that's accurate.
I've been thinking that we should say "Iranian Jihadists" and "Saudi Wahhabis" because in this way, we identify the actual state supports on which this movement feeds. And by clearly identifying the states supporting these movements, maybe we can stop them.
I read that Saudi Arabia has spent more than 75 billion dollars on the Wahhabi sect of Islam that inspires jihadists world-wide, through schools and mosques.
I've been thinking that we should say "Iranian Jihadists" and "Saudi Wahhabis" because in this way, we identify the actual state supports on which this movement feeds. And by clearly identifying the states supporting these movements, maybe we can stop them.
I read that Saudi Arabia has spent more than 75 billion dollars on the Wahhabi sect of Islam that inspires jihadists world-wide, through schools and mosques.
Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at August 11, 2006 02:16 PM (up9HT)
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Seems to me that Michael Savage has been using the term 'Islamic fascists' for a few years now. Well, he says Islamo-fascists, but same thing.
Posted by: RepJ at August 11, 2006 03:13 PM (rqlgb)
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I bet everyone of the moon god worshipping POS in Deerborn, MI. are having their Friday prayers listened to by the FBI.
Posted by: Leatherneck at August 11, 2006 04:37 PM (D2g/j)
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I've certainly got no problem with "Saudi caliphists" and "Iranian caliphists"
To discuss "Saudi Wahabists," "Egyption Qutbists" and "Iranian 12th Imam Cultists" sounds as if we are discussing three separate and different things. In one way, we are. In many ways, however, these are all brands of the same ideology.
Similarly, we could get into a deep discussion of the fine distinctions between, for example, "Maoists," "Stalinists" and "Trotskyists," but I'm happy to call them all "Communists" and be done with it.
To discuss "Saudi Wahabists," "Egyption Qutbists" and "Iranian 12th Imam Cultists" sounds as if we are discussing three separate and different things. In one way, we are. In many ways, however, these are all brands of the same ideology.
Similarly, we could get into a deep discussion of the fine distinctions between, for example, "Maoists," "Stalinists" and "Trotskyists," but I'm happy to call them all "Communists" and be done with it.
Posted by: All-Seeing Eye at August 11, 2006 05:24 PM (c/4ax)
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ISLAMO!!!!!IslamoSho
Nearly four in 10 Americans admit having feelings of prejudice against Muslims living in the U.S. and are in favor of having Muslims carrying a special ID
22 percent of those surveyed said they would not like to have a Muslim as a neighbor.
31 percent of respondents said they would feel nervous if they noticed a Muslim man on their airplane flight
18 percent would feel nervous about a Muslim woman flying with them.
49 percent feel that Muslims living in the U.S. are loyal to this country.
34 percent believe American Muslims are sympathetic to the al-Qaida terrorist organization.
40 percent of respondents said they believe Muslims in the U.S. are not respectful of other religions
44 percent said Muslims are too extreme in their religious beliefs.
52 percent believe Muslims are not respectful of women.
39 percent said the U.S. should require Muslims to carry a special ID
57 percent believe Muslims should undergo more intensive security checks at airports.
39 percent said they "have at least some feelings of prejudice against Muslims.
59 percent said they did not, and 2 percent had no opinion.
Opinions are different, however, among Americans who are personally acquainted with a Muslim, the poll disclosed.
For example:
10 percent of those who know a Muslim said they would not want one as a neighbor.
24 percent believe Muslims should carry a special ID – compared to 50 percent among those who don’t know a Muslim.
Are these results MY fault? Are they the fault of other sites like Little Green Footballs or Jihad Watch?
I think it it’s the fault of C.A.I.R and the speeches, rallies and public statements NOT made that are the cause of the feelings shown in this poll. Personally I think the vast majority of Americans want to live well and harmoniously with their American moslem brothers its just that we never see the American moslem community trying to reach out to us. They didn’t attend that rally held in Washington specifically for them (you recall the one I am talking about...it was a flop).
C.A.I.R. will say this poll shows Americans are bigots…BULL! It’s up to American Moslems to prove us wrong.
We want you too, really.
What do you think? Please comment.
-Steve
Nearly four in 10 Americans admit having feelings of prejudice against Muslims living in the U.S. and are in favor of having Muslims carrying a special ID
22 percent of those surveyed said they would not like to have a Muslim as a neighbor.
31 percent of respondents said they would feel nervous if they noticed a Muslim man on their airplane flight
18 percent would feel nervous about a Muslim woman flying with them.
49 percent feel that Muslims living in the U.S. are loyal to this country.
34 percent believe American Muslims are sympathetic to the al-Qaida terrorist organization.
40 percent of respondents said they believe Muslims in the U.S. are not respectful of other religions
44 percent said Muslims are too extreme in their religious beliefs.
52 percent believe Muslims are not respectful of women.
39 percent said the U.S. should require Muslims to carry a special ID
57 percent believe Muslims should undergo more intensive security checks at airports.
39 percent said they "have at least some feelings of prejudice against Muslims.
59 percent said they did not, and 2 percent had no opinion.
Opinions are different, however, among Americans who are personally acquainted with a Muslim, the poll disclosed.
For example:
10 percent of those who know a Muslim said they would not want one as a neighbor.
24 percent believe Muslims should carry a special ID – compared to 50 percent among those who don’t know a Muslim.
Are these results MY fault? Are they the fault of other sites like Little Green Footballs or Jihad Watch?
I think it it’s the fault of C.A.I.R and the speeches, rallies and public statements NOT made that are the cause of the feelings shown in this poll. Personally I think the vast majority of Americans want to live well and harmoniously with their American moslem brothers its just that we never see the American moslem community trying to reach out to us. They didn’t attend that rally held in Washington specifically for them (you recall the one I am talking about...it was a flop).
C.A.I.R. will say this poll shows Americans are bigots…BULL! It’s up to American Moslems to prove us wrong.
We want you too, really.
What do you think? Please comment.
-Steve
Posted by: massachusetts republican at August 11, 2006 05:57 PM (TiKv7)
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ISLAMO!!!!!IslamoSho
Nearly four in 10 Americans admit having feelings of prejudice against Muslims living in the U.S. and are in favor of having Muslims carrying a special ID
22 percent of those surveyed said they would not like to have a Muslim as a neighbor.
31 percent of respondents said they would feel nervous if they noticed a Muslim man on their airplane flight
18 percent would feel nervous about a Muslim woman flying with them.
49 percent feel that Muslims living in the U.S. are loyal to this country.
34 percent believe American Muslims are sympathetic to the al-Qaida terrorist organization.
40 percent of respondents said they believe Muslims in the U.S. are not respectful of other religions
44 percent said Muslims are too extreme in their religious beliefs.
52 percent believe Muslims are not respectful of women.
39 percent said the U.S. should require Muslims to carry a special ID
57 percent believe Muslims should undergo more intensive security checks at airports.
39 percent said they "have at least some feelings of prejudice against Muslims.
59 percent said they did not, and 2 percent had no opinion.
Opinions are different, however, among Americans who are personally acquainted with a Muslim, the poll disclosed.
For example:
10 percent of those who know a Muslim said they would not want one as a neighbor.
24 percent believe Muslims should carry a special ID – compared to 50 percent among those who don’t know a Muslim.
Are these results MY fault? Are they the fault of other sites like Little Green Footballs or Jihad Watch?
I think it it’s the fault of C.A.I.R and the speeches, rallies and public statements NOT made that are the cause of the feelings shown in this poll. Personally I think the vast majority of Americans want to live well and harmoniously with their American moslem brothers its just that we never see the American moslem community trying to reach out to us. They didn’t attend that rally held in Washington specifically for them (you recall the one I am talking about...it was a flop).
C.A.I.R. will say this poll shows Americans are bigots…BULL! It’s up to American Moslems to prove us wrong.
We want you too, really.
What do you think? Please comment.
-Steve
Nearly four in 10 Americans admit having feelings of prejudice against Muslims living in the U.S. and are in favor of having Muslims carrying a special ID
22 percent of those surveyed said they would not like to have a Muslim as a neighbor.
31 percent of respondents said they would feel nervous if they noticed a Muslim man on their airplane flight
18 percent would feel nervous about a Muslim woman flying with them.
49 percent feel that Muslims living in the U.S. are loyal to this country.
34 percent believe American Muslims are sympathetic to the al-Qaida terrorist organization.
40 percent of respondents said they believe Muslims in the U.S. are not respectful of other religions
44 percent said Muslims are too extreme in their religious beliefs.
52 percent believe Muslims are not respectful of women.
39 percent said the U.S. should require Muslims to carry a special ID
57 percent believe Muslims should undergo more intensive security checks at airports.
39 percent said they "have at least some feelings of prejudice against Muslims.
59 percent said they did not, and 2 percent had no opinion.
Opinions are different, however, among Americans who are personally acquainted with a Muslim, the poll disclosed.
For example:
10 percent of those who know a Muslim said they would not want one as a neighbor.
24 percent believe Muslims should carry a special ID – compared to 50 percent among those who don’t know a Muslim.
Are these results MY fault? Are they the fault of other sites like Little Green Footballs or Jihad Watch?
I think it it’s the fault of C.A.I.R and the speeches, rallies and public statements NOT made that are the cause of the feelings shown in this poll. Personally I think the vast majority of Americans want to live well and harmoniously with their American moslem brothers its just that we never see the American moslem community trying to reach out to us. They didn’t attend that rally held in Washington specifically for them (you recall the one I am talking about...it was a flop).
C.A.I.R. will say this poll shows Americans are bigots…BULL! It’s up to American Moslems to prove us wrong.
We want you too, really.
What do you think? Please comment.
-Steve
Posted by: massachusetts republican at August 11, 2006 05:59 PM (TiKv7)
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ISLAMO!!!!!IslamoSho
Nearly four in 10 Americans admit having feelings of prejudice against Muslims living in the U.S. and are in favor of having Muslims carrying a special ID
22 percent of those surveyed said they would not like to have a Muslim as a neighbor.
31 percent of respondents said they would feel nervous if they noticed a Muslim man on their airplane flight
18 percent would feel nervous about a Muslim woman flying with them.
49 percent feel that Muslims living in the U.S. are loyal to this country.
34 percent believe American Muslims are sympathetic to the al-Qaida terrorist organization.
40 percent of respondents said they believe Muslims in the U.S. are not respectful of other religions
44 percent said Muslims are too extreme in their religious beliefs.
52 percent believe Muslims are not respectful of women.
39 percent said the U.S. should require Muslims to carry a special ID
57 percent believe Muslims should undergo more intensive security checks at airports.
39 percent said they "have at least some feelings of prejudice against Muslims.
59 percent said they did not, and 2 percent had no opinion.
Opinions are different, however, among Americans who are personally acquainted with a Muslim, the poll disclosed.
For example:
10 percent of those who know a Muslim said they would not want one as a neighbor.
24 percent believe Muslims should carry a special ID – compared to 50 percent among those who don’t know a Muslim.
Are these results MY fault? Are they the fault of other sites like Little Green Footballs or Jihad Watch?
I think it it’s the fault of C.A.I.R and the speeches, rallies and public statements NOT made that are the cause of the feelings shown in this poll. Personally I think the vast majority of Americans want to live well and harmoniously with their American moslem brothers its just that we never see the American moslem community trying to reach out to us. They didn’t attend that rally held in Washington specifically for them (you recall the one I am talking about...it was a flop).
C.A.I.R. will say this poll shows Americans are bigots…BULL! It’s up to American Moslems to prove us wrong.
We want you too, really.
What do you think? Please comment.
-Steve
Nearly four in 10 Americans admit having feelings of prejudice against Muslims living in the U.S. and are in favor of having Muslims carrying a special ID
22 percent of those surveyed said they would not like to have a Muslim as a neighbor.
31 percent of respondents said they would feel nervous if they noticed a Muslim man on their airplane flight
18 percent would feel nervous about a Muslim woman flying with them.
49 percent feel that Muslims living in the U.S. are loyal to this country.
34 percent believe American Muslims are sympathetic to the al-Qaida terrorist organization.
40 percent of respondents said they believe Muslims in the U.S. are not respectful of other religions
44 percent said Muslims are too extreme in their religious beliefs.
52 percent believe Muslims are not respectful of women.
39 percent said the U.S. should require Muslims to carry a special ID
57 percent believe Muslims should undergo more intensive security checks at airports.
39 percent said they "have at least some feelings of prejudice against Muslims.
59 percent said they did not, and 2 percent had no opinion.
Opinions are different, however, among Americans who are personally acquainted with a Muslim, the poll disclosed.
For example:
10 percent of those who know a Muslim said they would not want one as a neighbor.
24 percent believe Muslims should carry a special ID – compared to 50 percent among those who don’t know a Muslim.
Are these results MY fault? Are they the fault of other sites like Little Green Footballs or Jihad Watch?
I think it it’s the fault of C.A.I.R and the speeches, rallies and public statements NOT made that are the cause of the feelings shown in this poll. Personally I think the vast majority of Americans want to live well and harmoniously with their American moslem brothers its just that we never see the American moslem community trying to reach out to us. They didn’t attend that rally held in Washington specifically for them (you recall the one I am talking about...it was a flop).
C.A.I.R. will say this poll shows Americans are bigots…BULL! It’s up to American Moslems to prove us wrong.
We want you too, really.
What do you think? Please comment.
-Steve
Posted by: massachusetts republican at August 11, 2006 05:59 PM (TiKv7)
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Islam does not worship the same god as Christians, and Jews. The G-d of the Christians, and Jews loves life. Islam prays to a false god of death.
This is called freedom of speech. If you do not like it, or want to cut my head off for writing it, please get the bloody hell out of this country, and get back to the 3rd world shit hole you are from.
Thank you, and have a great American day.
This is called freedom of speech. If you do not like it, or want to cut my head off for writing it, please get the bloody hell out of this country, and get back to the 3rd world shit hole you are from.
Thank you, and have a great American day.
Posted by: Leatherneck at August 11, 2006 06:46 PM (D2g/j)
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Uh, Leatherneck, just so you know, they think they own this country, and they think you should be the one to accommodate them. That is what the ROP teaches them, that the World belongs to Allah, and only people who believe in him are to control everything.
Posted by: jesusland joe at August 11, 2006 07:01 PM (rUyw4)
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Hey Nasrallah,
The "Religion of Peace" lie doesn't even pass for a joke anymore. I know something of your language; the word Islam does NOT mean peace, it means "subjugation", or "coerced submission".
Haven't you yet understood that the world judges you by your conduct and NOT by your philosophizing?!?!?!!?
Let's look at your Qoran to see just how peaceful Islam is, shall we?
Qoran 9:29 Fight against those to whom the scriptures were given as ... until they pay tribute out of their hand and are utterly subdued.
In other words, your "peaceful" pseudo-religion orders Muslims to subjugate Christians and Jews and to extort "humilation tax" from them which you call "Jizyya'h".
The "Religion of Peace" lie doesn't even pass for a joke anymore. I know something of your language; the word Islam does NOT mean peace, it means "subjugation", or "coerced submission".
Haven't you yet understood that the world judges you by your conduct and NOT by your philosophizing?!?!?!!?
Let's look at your Qoran to see just how peaceful Islam is, shall we?
Qoran 9:29 Fight against those to whom the scriptures were given as ... until they pay tribute out of their hand and are utterly subdued.
In other words, your "peaceful" pseudo-religion orders Muslims to subjugate Christians and Jews and to extort "humilation tax" from them which you call "Jizyya'h".
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at August 11, 2006 08:01 PM (Bp6wV)
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You're correct JJ; according to islamic doctrine, anywhere a muslim sets his foot belongs to islam, and they think they have the right to take our lands by force. I keep trying to tell everyone that this was has been going on for 1400 years now, and will continue until we're all dead or they're all dead. There has never been, there is not now, and there will never be peace possible with muslims, unless you like slavery, because their only goal is total domination. They cannot be reasoned with. They cannot be bought off with Danegeld. They cannot hear pleas for mercy. They are bloodthirsty savages with only rape, murder, and enslavement in mind. There can be no peace until the last one is dead.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 11, 2006 09:14 PM (v3I+x)
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at August 11, 2006 09:18 PM (Bp6wV)
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A big player in this whole Charlie-Foxtrot is the fact that Muslims do not hold allegiance to whatever country they are inhabiting; they are beholden to Allah (piss on 'em) first and foremost. What makes our country great is the fact that despite being a melting pot of cultures, races, and religions, throughout history we have stood as one when our country needed us. It seems to make perfect sense to me... band together, neutralize the threat to our home turf, then when tensions ease, we can all get back to our "own thing".
If I live to be a thousand, I'll never figure these ROP asshats out...
If I live to be a thousand, I'll never figure these ROP asshats out...
Posted by: EricInTexas at August 12, 2006 08:26 AM (UtF+A)
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I've figured them out Eric; they're an evolutionary offshoot, somewhere between animals and humans, with the worst characteristics of both. Extermination is the only way to deal with muslims, because they will never stop killing innocent people.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 12, 2006 09:39 AM (v3I+x)
August 09, 2006
Just in case you were wondering if Massachusetts is still messed up...
Bryan at HotAir notes that the Massachusetts Legislature denies tuition breaks to troops returning home, even though it grants tuition breaks to illegal aliens.
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Posted by: Rusty at August 09, 2006 12:40 PM (x+8Rs)
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So if you are a criminal the taxpayers will pick up the tab?!@#@# But if you are a law abiding citizen and risk your life to defend Americans you pay your own way! Sounds about right, I mean left.
Posted by: Jo macDougal at August 09, 2006 12:47 PM (2vpLj)
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Yes Jo, up is down, black is white, and we have always been at war with Eastasia.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 09, 2006 12:57 PM (v3I+x)
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No! I don't believe it.
But then again, down here if you are black and no one in your immediate family has attended college you get free tuition, room, board and books. If you are white and in the same situation you get nothing.
I know, I know. I'm a racist, a nazi, a kkk'r for mentioning this travesty.
So I guess I believe its possible.
After all isn't this what my father died for? I fought for? My son is presently fighting for?
What a bunch of crap. Friggin liberals.
But then again, down here if you are black and no one in your immediate family has attended college you get free tuition, room, board and books. If you are white and in the same situation you get nothing.
I know, I know. I'm a racist, a nazi, a kkk'r for mentioning this travesty.
So I guess I believe its possible.
After all isn't this what my father died for? I fought for? My son is presently fighting for?
What a bunch of crap. Friggin liberals.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 09, 2006 02:02 PM (q2ko6)
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Need anymore reasons why the states needs to be cleaned up and espeicialy when it somes to the KENNEDY MESS it needs a real large sized RUG DOCTOR to clean it all up and remove the illegals especialy the biggist illegal of them all TED KENNEDY
Posted by: sandpiper at August 09, 2006 02:57 PM (uo3LX)
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Ahhhh, errr, I object to the Kennedy staement. I'll have you know, no Kennedy has ever supported the education of a Majority or a minority.
Mary Joe, get my keys bitch, I'm driving.
Mary Joe, get my keys bitch, I'm driving.
Posted by: Cmunk at August 09, 2006 06:15 PM (n4VvM)
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Hmm....sounds to me like another Boston Tea Party might be in order for the state of Massachusettes. And a few hangings.
Posted by: jesusland joe at August 09, 2006 06:16 PM (rUyw4)
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That's the spirit JJ; The spirit of '76! Honestly, we do need to clean house, because our government has become so corrupt, that even if we throw out every elected official, we still have the unionized bureaucracy to deal with, and they are the real danger to our safety and liberty; the IRS and BATF are domestic terrorist organizations, the FBI and CIA can't find their collective asses with all their collective hands, and all the other alphabet soup administrations are basically just money pits where fat bureaucrats suck up the gravy from our hard work. It's time to push the "reset" button and start over.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 09, 2006 10:10 PM (v3I+x)
July 18, 2006
More words to make Juan Cole tremble...
While we're on the subject of political obscenities, does anyone remember which political figure shared these sentiments?:
"We're not inflicting pain on these f**kers . . . When people kill us, they should be killed in greater numbers. I believe in killing people who try to hurt you, and I can't believe we're being pushed around by these two-bit pricks."
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Um, Bill Clinton, talking about Samolia?
Posted by: bill at July 18, 2006 08:30 AM (7evkT)
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Geeeeoooorge Stephanopolis! I just like saying that.
Posted by: Howie at July 18, 2006 09:01 AM (hjI0c)
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Ummm.. Patton?
Posted by: Richard at July 18, 2006 09:02 AM (7KF8r)
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Bill Clinton is the correct answer.
Posted by: Michael at July 18, 2006 09:17 AM (Kk+xJ)
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O, Billy Blow Job,
where are ye now
when we need ya
in the deserts and the ditches
with your rifle(?)in your hand
ready to die, to take your stand
like you said you would, those several years ago....
But Billy BJ,
that was then, and this is NOW,
your words ring hollow and you've moved on
serious that no more, forever, can you be concerned with
THE TRUTH
where are ye now
when we need ya
in the deserts and the ditches
with your rifle(?)in your hand
ready to die, to take your stand
like you said you would, those several years ago....
But Billy BJ,
that was then, and this is NOW,
your words ring hollow and you've moved on
serious that no more, forever, can you be concerned with
THE TRUTH
Posted by: n.a. palm at July 18, 2006 09:38 AM (kHaIu)
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Bill Clinton always took the high moral ground -- according to Dean.
Posted by: bill at July 18, 2006 09:41 AM (7evkT)
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High ground? Monica was on her knees. Doesn't sound very high to me.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 18, 2006 10:27 AM (xVlDU)
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I hope that wasn't Clinton. That's enough to make me start liking the guy.
Posted by: Richard at July 18, 2006 12:17 PM (7KF8r)
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It was Clinton, as relayed by Stefalluffagus.
Posted by: The All-Seeing Eye at July 18, 2006 01:41 PM (c/4ax)
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ASE
Wait one second ... he is reputed, alleged, accredited etc. to have said it ... by Georgie boy ... long after the fact ... Georgie boy - his press aide then (and now) whose job was to make clinton "look good".
The is no proof or substantiation that he actually said it ... and under the circumstances - I doubt its true.
Wait one second ... he is reputed, alleged, accredited etc. to have said it ... by Georgie boy ... long after the fact ... Georgie boy - his press aide then (and now) whose job was to make clinton "look good".
The is no proof or substantiation that he actually said it ... and under the circumstances - I doubt its true.
Posted by: hondo at July 18, 2006 02:34 PM (MVgHp)
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Remember also that his wife Hillary "attempted" to join the Marine Corp early in her career - but was turned away by a sexist recuiter.
Remember also she was named after Edmund Hillary - who was a complete unknown (and not knighted) till he climbed Mt Everest - 2 yrs after Hillary was born.
Now - would you bet the farm on the validity of that statement?
This is how those two work.
Remember also she was named after Edmund Hillary - who was a complete unknown (and not knighted) till he climbed Mt Everest - 2 yrs after Hillary was born.
Now - would you bet the farm on the validity of that statement?
This is how those two work.
Posted by: hondo at July 18, 2006 02:41 PM (MVgHp)
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Too bad Clinton didn't back up his own words with action.
Posted by: Chad Evans at July 18, 2006 02:45 PM (+0rMT)
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Poor Bill, his wife is a dike, and Monica does not swallow. Can a brother get a break?
Posted by: Leatherneck at July 18, 2006 06:48 PM (D2g/j)
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That sounds like something W would say!
Posted by: pivalleygirl at July 19, 2006 02:23 AM (BQRI6)
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That was then (when Al Gore was cutting the military in half to balance the budget, Hillary was instructing the Marines on detail at the WH not to look her directly in the eye, and CinC Clinton lost the codes to the nuclear football, and laughed).
This is now:
Bill Clinton’s first worry is climate change: “It’s the only thing that I believe has the power to fundamentally end the march of civilization as we know it.â€
http://timblair.net/ee/index.php/weblog/comments/people_fixated/
Channel this, Hill, Bill, Juan:
Pres. Calvin Coolidge, on the 150th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1926:
"If all men are created equal, that is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final.
If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final.
No advance, no progress can be made beyond these propositions.
If anyone wishes to deny their truth or their soundness, the only direction in which he can proceed historically is not forward, but backward toward the time when there was no equality, no rights of the individual, no rule of the people.
Those who wish to proceed in that direction can not lay claim to progress.
They are reactionary. Their ideas are not more modern, but more ancient, than those of the Revolutionary fathers."
This is now:
Bill Clinton’s first worry is climate change: “It’s the only thing that I believe has the power to fundamentally end the march of civilization as we know it.â€
http://timblair.net/ee/index.php/weblog/comments/people_fixated/
Channel this, Hill, Bill, Juan:
Pres. Calvin Coolidge, on the 150th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1926:
"If all men are created equal, that is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final.
If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final.
No advance, no progress can be made beyond these propositions.
If anyone wishes to deny their truth or their soundness, the only direction in which he can proceed historically is not forward, but backward toward the time when there was no equality, no rights of the individual, no rule of the people.
Those who wish to proceed in that direction can not lay claim to progress.
They are reactionary. Their ideas are not more modern, but more ancient, than those of the Revolutionary fathers."
Posted by: a. fremont at July 19, 2006 03:47 PM (CYjYM)
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More reasons why we dont want liberal wussie wads ythat are wishy washy
Posted by: sandpiper at July 19, 2006 10:56 PM (M9D/B)
July 13, 2006
We Support the Troops--By Firing Them
Damn this is infuriating:
Like so many soldiers who have helped fight the war on terror, Capt. John Parker put his life on the line every day while he was deployed in Afghanistan.Your tax dollars at work."I signed up to serve my country," Parker tells NewsChannel 5 investigative reporter Jennifer Kraus.
And serve he did, which is why he was so shocked at how he was treated when he came back home to Wilson County.
"It just made me feel that the people I was fighting for were the exact people that were taking my job from me," he adds. . . .
But despite the law, the director of schools says he still feels that when class started, instead of being on the battlefield, Parker should have been in the classroom.
"Could he have said something to his superiors? 'Look, I really need to get back there. If everything is equal, I need to get back there (to Wilson Central High School) January 3rd because that's when my class starts and I need to be with those kids for the full semester.'". . .
Parker says he loves his country and his job teaching. And, he doesn't think it was fair to make him choose between the two.
"It's pretty hard to believe in a country where we're out there fighting for liberty, that those same things are not being given back to us when we come back."
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ha ha kuffar lose job lucky he not die. kuffar get pension we get virgins haha silly kuffar ha ha!
Posted by: Walid at July 13, 2006 10:13 AM (BzVwq)
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Haha, silly Walid, you get raisins, not virgins. Raisins in hell, now that's funny, Walid. So sorry!
And the human piece of excrement who fired this brave soldier is the one who should be looking for a job. Right now, today.
And the human piece of excrement who fired this brave soldier is the one who should be looking for a job. Right now, today.
Posted by: jesusland joe at July 13, 2006 10:23 AM (rUyw4)
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Ha! A retarded camelfucker founds his way to this blog. You only get a virgin when you are fucking roadkill dead. Only then, you will be rewarderd with a 72 year old virgin!
Posted by: Dan at July 13, 2006 10:25 AM (Z2OsI)
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I just want to know one thing.
Have all americal soldiers been Brainwashed?
Can they not see and hear?
Have all americal soldiers been Brainwashed?
Can they not see and hear?
Posted by: Mir at July 13, 2006 10:43 AM (+FTmK)
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American soldiers can see and hear just fine. It's just that unlike many others in this world, they choose to not ignore what's going on and to do what they can to change it.
Ha Ha! Walid learned English by watching 1970s kung fu movies! Ha Ha!
Ha Ha! Walid learned English by watching 1970s kung fu movies! Ha Ha!
Posted by: Graeme at July 13, 2006 10:58 AM (q7PFa)
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this guy will win his job back in his lawsuit. The principal might have gotten away with breaking the law if he hadn't admitted that the deployments played a role in the firing. Not only will the soldier win, he'll get some punitive damages, as he should.
This is an issue on which everyone can agree: local governments should obey the law.
This is an issue on which everyone can agree: local governments should obey the law.
Posted by: jd at July 13, 2006 11:05 AM (F2DQB)
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Speaking of Sandcrawlers....
Here are some interesting pictures.
Star Wars characters in French urban centers?
Hmmm.
http://www.joeyinteractive.com/blog/?p=290
Here are some interesting pictures.
Star Wars characters in French urban centers?
Hmmm.
http://www.joeyinteractive.com/blog/?p=290
Posted by: BelchSpeak at July 13, 2006 11:07 AM (UyFYg)
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Strange, for somebody who is devoted to the Koran to make another person out for being brainwashed!
very strange!
very strange!
Posted by: Dan at July 13, 2006 11:07 AM (Z2OsI)
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I doubt that "Walid" is really a Muslim, or even a foreigner. He smells like pure USA teenage troll to me.
Posted by: Robert at July 13, 2006 11:22 AM (pCBxo)
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JD is 100% right across the board...an EZ lawsuit.
I know it's hard for terror-symps like Mir and Walid to figure out, but just because you really, really WANT something to be true, doesn't necessarily make it so.
Mir probably hoped that Rove would be indicted over the Plame leak, even though Plame doesn't fit the official description of a covert agent - looks like coal in your stocking for Fitzmas.
Mir probably also that Diebolt stole the Elections of 2000 & 2004 - keep dreaming dopey.
Wise up guys...and try coming into the 21st Century. That's about a twelve Century leap from where "traditional Islam" is today.
I know it's hard for terror-symps like Mir and Walid to figure out, but just because you really, really WANT something to be true, doesn't necessarily make it so.
Mir probably hoped that Rove would be indicted over the Plame leak, even though Plame doesn't fit the official description of a covert agent - looks like coal in your stocking for Fitzmas.
Mir probably also that Diebolt stole the Elections of 2000 & 2004 - keep dreaming dopey.
Wise up guys...and try coming into the 21st Century. That's about a twelve Century leap from where "traditional Islam" is today.
Posted by: JMK at July 13, 2006 11:22 AM (3VLhf)
Posted by: Chris at July 13, 2006 11:49 AM (My/qp)
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jd -
Yes indeed, a potentially very good lawsuit. There could be a problem though and its not clarified in the news story.
As a Reserve Officer, was he called up twice with his unit, or called up singlely by job slot/duty MOS ......
.... or did he volunteer for open mission slots.
As far as I know, this remains a gray area yet to be decided.
On my old job (which I loathed) I use to look for open mission slots just to get the fuck away from there. Rules are a bit different if an issue is being made of it.
Yes indeed, a potentially very good lawsuit. There could be a problem though and its not clarified in the news story.
As a Reserve Officer, was he called up twice with his unit, or called up singlely by job slot/duty MOS ......
.... or did he volunteer for open mission slots.
As far as I know, this remains a gray area yet to be decided.
On my old job (which I loathed) I use to look for open mission slots just to get the fuck away from there. Rules are a bit different if an issue is being made of it.
Posted by: hondo at July 13, 2006 12:12 PM (MVgHp)
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FWIW, the law in question is called the Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act of 1994 ("USERRA"), 38 USC 4301, et seq.
Three things about this law:
First, it applies to both private and public employers.
Second, it is heavily weighted (and deliberately so) in favor of military personnel, granting them protection against employer discrimination even beyond that provided by Federal statutes barring discrimination based on race, sex, religion, etc.
Third, the Feds enforce this law on behalf of guys like Parker.
That's your tax money at work, too.
From what facts are available in the article, it sounds like this guy has a solid case.
Three things about this law:
First, it applies to both private and public employers.
Second, it is heavily weighted (and deliberately so) in favor of military personnel, granting them protection against employer discrimination even beyond that provided by Federal statutes barring discrimination based on race, sex, religion, etc.
Third, the Feds enforce this law on behalf of guys like Parker.
That's your tax money at work, too.
From what facts are available in the article, it sounds like this guy has a solid case.
Posted by: Robbo the LB at July 13, 2006 12:14 PM (IkTb7)
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Hondo, I didn't know the law distinguished between voluntary and involuntary deployments. If it does, why did they wait a year, as required by the law?
We'll see, though. I'd bet a substantial sum that the guy wins.
We'll see, though. I'd bet a substantial sum that the guy wins.
Posted by: jd at July 13, 2006 12:17 PM (F2DQB)
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What state is Wilson County in? There's a Wilson County, NC and I am hoping like crazy it isn't that one! What a crappy thing to do...
Posted by: NCCHRIS at July 13, 2006 12:27 PM (XCo9J)
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jd
Like I said, it a gray point yet tested in court. First thing that caught my eye with this is the fact Parker is a teacher/civil servant.
Civil Service and Military duty have an uneasy relationship. There can be a lot of perks (double dipping on pay/pension, time, etc). There can be a lot of headaches ... bear in mind no one plays faster or looser with the law than a government entity itself.
Like I said, it a gray point yet tested in court. First thing that caught my eye with this is the fact Parker is a teacher/civil servant.
Civil Service and Military duty have an uneasy relationship. There can be a lot of perks (double dipping on pay/pension, time, etc). There can be a lot of headaches ... bear in mind no one plays faster or looser with the law than a government entity itself.
Posted by: hondo at July 13, 2006 12:32 PM (MVgHp)
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I just sent Walid a little love letter. Seems his email address is not as private as he would want. He currently resides in Jordan. I would not be surprised if he is the geek who convinced the American teenage girl to run away and marry him. What a spanker. I hope his computer gets 72 raisins when it crashes after he opens my message.
Posted by: Cmunk at July 13, 2006 12:39 PM (7teJ9)
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The story was posted on a Nashville Tn news station website.
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JD & Hondo, according to the definitions section of the law, no distinction is made between voluntary and involuntary uniformed service. Both are protected.
What civil service ramifications there might be, I can't say.
What civil service ramifications there might be, I can't say.
Posted by: Robbo the LB at July 13, 2006 01:15 PM (IkTb7)
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What we do is have absolutly no buinsses what so ever to do with those who would fire our GIs like this BOYCOTT
Posted by: sandpiper at July 13, 2006 02:58 PM (4pkrX)
Posted by: hondo at July 13, 2006 03:02 PM (MVgHp)
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Against the law. Your place of employment must rehire you at the same level for a period up to 3 years.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 13, 2006 06:09 PM (0UFK+)
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Walid: True, so true. Our guy gets fired and your guys get 72 virgin..........CAMELS. You'll know them when you get to paradise. They look like your mama.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 14, 2006 09:23 PM (pkrE/)
July 12, 2006
The Wedding Planner, Sharia Style
What do you get when you book your wedding festivities 18 months in advance?
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July 06, 2006
Gay Cave Jews
Apparently, a Google search for "gay cave jews" might land you at the Volokh Conspiracy.
Nevermind how I know this.
I realize this isn't particularly useful information for most of ya, but if you do happen to be looking for some gay cave Jews, now you have a lead. Caveat: I haven't really investigated whether a disproportionate number of gay cave Jews are, in fact, found over at Volokh. If they're there, I haven't noticed them--not that there'd be, ya know, anything wrong with that.
UPDATE: As you may have guessed, a Google search for "gay cave Jawas" will take you straight to The Jawa Report.
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Pipes : The Vatican Confronts Islam
As we all know, the Islamic jihadis have an endless list of manufactured grievances. No sooner does the West address one grievance than another is put forth to take its place. One false grievance after another after another after another. The Palestinian question. . . Western troops in Riyadh. . . the treatment of Muslims in this country or that. . . the Mohammed Cartoons. . . the lack of Sharia law in the West. On and on and on.
In the meanwhile, legitimate Western grievances against Muslim nations are endlessly put off, with the acquiescence of our weak Western leaders. Watching the news day after day, one might be tempted to lose hope that our Western leaders will ever come to their senses. And yet, once in a while, we see evidence that there may yet be reason to hope. There may yet be a spark of life in that old, creaking shell of once-mighty Europe. There may yet be a little spirit left somewhere within the bowels of Western Christendom.
Daniel Pipes has the latest on a resurgence of a long-dormant survival instinct within the Vatican: more...
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OT
Lost the link now but anyone see Putin kissing that boy's stomach? I suspect he is a pedophile.
Lost the link now but anyone see Putin kissing that boy's stomach? I suspect he is a pedophile.
Posted by: deadmaus at July 06, 2006 01:01 AM (K3594)
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Bout time the Vatican calls a spade, a spade.
the "turn the other cheek thing" is often misinterpreted.
It wasn't meant as an invitation for a beating. It was a gesture of defiance.
the "turn the other cheek thing" is often misinterpreted.
It wasn't meant as an invitation for a beating. It was a gesture of defiance.
Posted by: mrclark at July 06, 2006 01:41 AM (H9LTb)
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A la Tyler Durden? ("That's it.... that's good. Get it all out. You'll feel better.")
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I don't quite agree with mclark's interpretation, but if a man smacks my brother, it is not my place to turn the other cheek because it is not my cheek that has been slapped. That is essentially what the Vatican has been doing for the last 50 years. They've been turning the other cheek on behalf of persecuted christians in Arab lands, while they themselves sit comfortably in the Vatican. It's preposterous. Let he who has ACTUALLY been slapped decide if he wants to turn the other cheek, while we who sit comfortably in West should do everything in our power to prevent that against our christian brethren. Enough with this faux piety. It disgusts me.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at July 06, 2006 09:11 AM (8e/V4)
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Excellent Carlos. Wish I could draw. I would make some really good cartoons of the muslims goat screwing prophet.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 06, 2006 09:27 AM (NMQrK)
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Jesus "Tyler Durden" of Nazereth
LOL...
Well, not exactly. There is a wikipedia entry on the subject of "turning the other cheek". There it is explained various enterpritations for the phrase. I take the historical contexualized explanation for myself, which I've posted below.
Those interpreting this passage figuratively have cited historical and other factors in support. They note that at the time of Jesus, striking someone deemed to be of a lower class with the back of the hand was used to assert authority and dominance. If the persecuted person "turned the other cheek," the discipliner was faced with a dilemma. The left hand was used for unclean purposes, so a back-hand strike on the opposite cheek would not be performed. The other alternative would be to punch the person, but this was seen as a statement of equality. Thus, they argue, by turning the other cheek the persecuted was in effect demanding equality. Further, it is argued, by handing over one's cloak in addition to one's tunic, the debtor has essentially given the shirt off their back, a situation directly forbidden by Jewish Law as stated in Deuteronomy 24: 10-13:
LOL...
Well, not exactly. There is a wikipedia entry on the subject of "turning the other cheek". There it is explained various enterpritations for the phrase. I take the historical contexualized explanation for myself, which I've posted below.
Those interpreting this passage figuratively have cited historical and other factors in support. They note that at the time of Jesus, striking someone deemed to be of a lower class with the back of the hand was used to assert authority and dominance. If the persecuted person "turned the other cheek," the discipliner was faced with a dilemma. The left hand was used for unclean purposes, so a back-hand strike on the opposite cheek would not be performed. The other alternative would be to punch the person, but this was seen as a statement of equality. Thus, they argue, by turning the other cheek the persecuted was in effect demanding equality. Further, it is argued, by handing over one's cloak in addition to one's tunic, the debtor has essentially given the shirt off their back, a situation directly forbidden by Jewish Law as stated in Deuteronomy 24: 10-13:
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June 30, 2006
Oriana Fallaci and Criminal Speech
Highly relevant to what we generally do here everyday, Cinnamon Stillwell writes on the expanding criminalization of "offensive" speech:
. . . more...Journalist and author Oriana Fallaci cannot visit her native country of Italy for fear of being thrown in prison because of a lawsuit brought against her by the Italian Muslim Union for the crime of "defaming Islam." . . .College Republican Steve Hinkle is found guilty by California Polytechnic State University (San Luis Obispo) for "disruption" for the crime of putting up a flyer advertising a black conservative speaker.
What do the above examples have in common? They are the logical outgrowth of a dangerous trend sweeping the Western world: the criminalization and censorship of speech.
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I have read 4 of Oriana Fallici's books and can tell you that they are written from the heart. The idea that this woman is now under judicial review in Italy makes me sick... I have signed the petition and just wish that there was something more that I could do to fight for her free speech.
I really don't care whether you agree or disagree with her after reading her books... Should she be punished for publishing her opinion?
I really don't care whether you agree or disagree with her after reading her books... Should she be punished for publishing her opinion?
Posted by: Babs at June 30, 2006 05:11 PM (J5/I2)
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So, if they knock on my door to arrest me for a few lines I might have written about Islam, (spit), at what point would it be OK to beat their ass?
Posted by: Leatherneck at June 30, 2006 05:14 PM (D2g/j)
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The Steve Hinkle case seems to have turned out as well as can be expected in the end:
http://www.thefire.org/index.php/article/152.html
http://www.thefire.org/index.php/article/152.html
Posted by: Hitch at June 30, 2006 07:41 PM (VJ9bG)
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This is small stuff. It's way more important to pass a constitutional amendement to make it illegal to desecrate a piece of cloth with a particular pattern on it.
Posted by: Joe at June 30, 2006 11:07 PM (5zxY/)
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>>>"criminalization and censorship of speech"
is the logical conclusion to Leftwing political correctness.
Next, thought crime.
is the logical conclusion to Leftwing political correctness.
Next, thought crime.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at July 01, 2006 09:18 AM (8e/V4)
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The entire Hinkle episode was merely the cowardice of the Cal Poly's administation. To quite the black cry babies they decided to take action against a white student.
Nothing new here. It happens in the military, the government, academia and major corporations on a daily basis. When blacks don't like something they riot, attack innocent people, burn cars, buildings and steal televisions. Whites don't behave in that manner. Much easier on the administation to give them what they want.
The problem is that no action has been taken against the Cal Poly administation staff. They should have been fired for their cowardice when facing an important social issue.
Nothing new here. It happens in the military, the government, academia and major corporations on a daily basis. When blacks don't like something they riot, attack innocent people, burn cars, buildings and steal televisions. Whites don't behave in that manner. Much easier on the administation to give them what they want.
The problem is that no action has been taken against the Cal Poly administation staff. They should have been fired for their cowardice when facing an important social issue.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 02, 2006 10:10 AM (N2Rg1)
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Posted by: William Mundy at July 03, 2006 08:22 PM (SuVdV)
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Italy is now is a conservative fascist country. Two communist conservative parties rule us, plus the former commies, they did faboulous broils and winned. We will be again an honest country before Christamas, especially honest with our Western Christian heredity. Prodi did Great affairs with the USSR, newspapers are interested in mantaining this Zapaterian thing per two.
In Italy you're not published if you're a paleo fascist-communist, please pray for our country, I do pray for yours! Thank you!
Paolo
In Italy you're not published if you're a paleo fascist-communist, please pray for our country, I do pray for yours! Thank you!
Paolo
Posted by: Paolo at July 06, 2006 06:13 AM (cikvJ)
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Amen Paolo amen.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 07, 2006 10:33 AM (Cha30)
April 18, 2006
Today's Al-Qaeda Joke
Scottish Police Chief Constable John Vine stunned the guests at a bar association dinner with a joke.
During the toast, towards the end of the evening, Mr Vine told a joke about al-Qaeda fathers comparing notes about the careers of their suicide-bomber sons.Apparently, the crowd reaction prompted Mr. Vine to apologize. Sure, it wasn't a great joke but I thought it was okay.Many in the audience at the event on March 24 were stunned when he delivered the punchline: "Kids blow up so quickly these days."
Of course, it wasn't the quality of the joke that was objectionable. It is simply not politically prudent in the United Kingdom to speak ill of terrorists. What a bunch of wankers.
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I'm sorry... I actually shot a little beer thru my nose when I read this.
I think a relevant point to bring up is this: anyone else notice that Islamofascism is just about the only quasi-religion/political system that does NOT have a sense of humor? True, this joke was probably in bad taste, at worst, but one thing that almost every other civilization on our planet has in common is the ability to laugh at something, even in the direst of circumstances. Remember the post 9/11 moratorium on comedy? It was excruciating! I felt so good when David Letterman (easy now, not getting into his politics here!) finally broke out and addressed the tragedy and "got on with the show", in order to get back to a sense of normality. Same with Rudi hosting Saturday Night Live, and one of my favorites, The Onion and their hilarious "Hijackers In Hell" edition.
The American people have persevered through many tough times by being able to find an outlet through humor, whether frivolous or dark, in order to get "back on track".
Riddle me this: if you were a citizen of Syria, Iran, Iraq, or many Indonesian Islamic countries, just how many times per day or week do you think you would actually laugh out loud? Unless I'm missing something, I don't think very many...
I think a relevant point to bring up is this: anyone else notice that Islamofascism is just about the only quasi-religion/political system that does NOT have a sense of humor? True, this joke was probably in bad taste, at worst, but one thing that almost every other civilization on our planet has in common is the ability to laugh at something, even in the direst of circumstances. Remember the post 9/11 moratorium on comedy? It was excruciating! I felt so good when David Letterman (easy now, not getting into his politics here!) finally broke out and addressed the tragedy and "got on with the show", in order to get back to a sense of normality. Same with Rudi hosting Saturday Night Live, and one of my favorites, The Onion and their hilarious "Hijackers In Hell" edition.
The American people have persevered through many tough times by being able to find an outlet through humor, whether frivolous or dark, in order to get "back on track".
Riddle me this: if you were a citizen of Syria, Iran, Iraq, or many Indonesian Islamic countries, just how many times per day or week do you think you would actually laugh out loud? Unless I'm missing something, I don't think very many...
Posted by: EricInTexas at April 18, 2006 12:24 PM (b96R4)
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OK, call me insensitive, but I just shot beer thru my nose when I read this. Those silly Scots, gotta love em!
This brings to light something I think is very telling about our Islamofascist neighbors on this planet - anyone notice they don't have a sense of humor?? At ALL?? Our country specifically has used humor, both frivolous and dark, to get us through trying times in our history. I stood up and cheered when Letterman finally came back on the air post 9/11 (politics aside, here!), and initially spewed his feelings of the events, and basically declared that it was time to crack a joke or two. Same with Rudi hosting Saturday Night Live a few weeks later. The Brits and Scots are a bit drier in their comedy, but the same spirit ensues there. In fact, every other civilization on the friggin' planet can find the time to crack a joke to ease the tension of the moment, and not take umbrage to the extent that they want to saw people's heads off.
VERY telling, if you ask me...
This brings to light something I think is very telling about our Islamofascist neighbors on this planet - anyone notice they don't have a sense of humor?? At ALL?? Our country specifically has used humor, both frivolous and dark, to get us through trying times in our history. I stood up and cheered when Letterman finally came back on the air post 9/11 (politics aside, here!), and initially spewed his feelings of the events, and basically declared that it was time to crack a joke or two. Same with Rudi hosting Saturday Night Live a few weeks later. The Brits and Scots are a bit drier in their comedy, but the same spirit ensues there. In fact, every other civilization on the friggin' planet can find the time to crack a joke to ease the tension of the moment, and not take umbrage to the extent that they want to saw people's heads off.
VERY telling, if you ask me...
Posted by: EricInTexas at April 18, 2006 12:36 PM (b96R4)
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...sorry for the dual posing - my first one got an error, and so I reprised in a second posting. Arrggh...
But dammit, I think it's funny!
But dammit, I think it's funny!
Posted by: EricInTexas at April 18, 2006 12:52 PM (b96R4)
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>>>It is simply not politically prudent in the United Kingdom to speak ill of terrorists.
Why, of course not. That would be "racist."
Why, of course not. That would be "racist."
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 18, 2006 01:46 PM (8e/V4)
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I just thought it was in poor taste.
Posted by: jim allah at April 18, 2006 08:00 PM (9ikyY)
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Hm ... Yeah ..... the roast beef was good though.
Posted by: Last word Larry at April 18, 2006 10:17 PM (FCC6c)
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God forbid we make a joke about Islamic Facists… don’t want to make the terrorists angry! Who knows when one of them might show up in one of our driveways with long sabers or shot guns with dirty turbans and masks.
Anyone notice the paralles between our attitudes towards Hilter in the 1930’s and the Islamic Facists of today. Don’t make jokes, don’t make them angry… it’s just make it worse. Give them what they want and maybe they’ll go awaw! Don’t do anything to offend them and maybe they’ll leave us alone!
Because of this attitude, they’re laughing at us while we prove to them we really are cowards.
Anyone notice the paralles between our attitudes towards Hilter in the 1930’s and the Islamic Facists of today. Don’t make jokes, don’t make them angry… it’s just make it worse. Give them what they want and maybe they’ll go awaw! Don’t do anything to offend them and maybe they’ll leave us alone!
Because of this attitude, they’re laughing at us while we prove to them we really are cowards.
Posted by: Eric "Ren" Fisk at April 18, 2006 11:11 PM (i21Xl)
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Did you try the potatoes au Gratin?
Posted by: Last word Larry at April 18, 2006 11:33 PM (FCC6c)
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Hey, it made me laugh.
Posted by: Hucbald at April 19, 2006 12:28 PM (dDZ+Q)
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I've linked to you here: http://consul-at-arms.blogspot.com/2006/04/re-cop-chief-blunders-with-joke-on.html
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Thank you!
Posted by: Rachel at June 27, 2006 02:06 PM (AZsVq)
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Nice site!
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April 15, 2006
'Illegal Alien' Is New Ethnic Slur
Political correctness is changing the rules of 'free' speech daily. No longer are cartoonists able to freely draw the world as they see it and now 'illegal alien' is deemed offensive.
From AnnCoulter.com:
On CNN's "Lou Dobbs Tonight" on Monday, Dobbs was interviewing Nativo Lopez, president of the Mexican-American Political Association about his demand for "full immediate, unconditional legalization for all persons currently in the United States."Jeez, I could understand a bit of snippiness if Dobbs had mentioned 'beaners' or 'wetbacks' but he didn't. Dobbs said 'illegal aliens' which, in my mind, is a fair and descriptive dictionary definition of people sneaking into the U.S. My preference would be 'trespassers' since it carries a more precise and accurate meaning. more...Dobbs posed this innocuous question about Lopez's planned boycott, "You're talking about a boycott of all illegal aliens in this country?"
Lopez exploded: "Well, first off, I refute your terminology. You don't say 'kike,' 'patty,' 'WOP,' OK. You don't say "nigger"! ... You're using language that's offensive to me and offensive to my people! ... You pollute the air every day, Dobbs. ... That language is offensive, it's derogatory, it's denigrating, and don't use that terminology to me again, referring to my people!"
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Frank Gaffney, Jr., and The Center for Security Policy offered a great idea on illegal immigration in the form of a Secure America Pledge. I have a post on it here with a link to an online petition in support of the pledge.
Posted by: Jim at April 15, 2006 11:55 AM (YkmII)
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Call 'em as you see 'em! Don't succumb to the " political correctness " of playing sensitive to lawbreakers.
Posted by: Hailus at April 15, 2006 11:59 AM (FCC6c)
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Lopez.... what a spaz
Posted by: Henry Jennings at April 15, 2006 12:02 PM (vqrMt)
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How about for every illegal mexican they send us we send a convicted felon to mexico. Similar to our interstate compact process between prisons...
Posted by: Victory for the USA at April 15, 2006 12:14 PM (y+196)
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Alas, I checked the CNN transcript and that is how it happened. "Illegal Immigrant" is offensive! But the best part was that Dobbs continued to mention "illegasm immigrants" after this guy's tirade against the, um, "slur."
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Posted by: LindaSoG at April 15, 2006 12:29 PM (GBBmd)
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Cardinal Mahony asked that illegals not to be called 'illegals', too. I wrote The Tidings and stated that that sort of instruction was cruel and what mental illness is made of. Let alone his silence on the Aztlan and pan-Hispicic aspect of the protests. i think he finally told the Phpyc mob to roll up the eagle and worm flag, that they werent scoring any points.
Posted by: garyperris at April 15, 2006 12:45 PM (htv3Q)
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>>>it's denigrating, and don't use that terminology to me again, referring to my people!"
How dare that worm of a man, Nativo Lopez, to imply that when someone says "illegal aliens" he must be referring to all hispanics. It is HE, not Dobbs, that has made that implication by protesting the use of that term.
How dare that worm of a man, Nativo Lopez, to imply that when someone says "illegal aliens" he must be referring to all hispanics. It is HE, not Dobbs, that has made that implication by protesting the use of that term.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 15, 2006 12:55 PM (8e/V4)
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We need to guard our language, and not give in to political correctness. Call it as you see it, and vigorously support your position, and debate anyone who tries to suggest the language you use is an ethic slur. They are not the ones who make up the rules.
Posted by: jesusland joe at April 15, 2006 01:00 PM (rUyw4)
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That's right! Guard our freedom of speech! Call 'em as we see 'em! And don't let anyone try to shut us up especially the likes of Inprobus Maximass, Oyster eater and Jesusland Joeblow!
Posted by: Hailus at April 15, 2006 02:41 PM (FCC6c)
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How about "butt-pirate?" "Pillow-biter?" Are those out, now, too?
Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold at April 15, 2006 02:42 PM (ew/vq)
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How about calling them the "aztlan a**holes"?
Posted by: n.a. palm at April 15, 2006 03:17 PM (ZRe7M)
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I thought it was funny as hell! That whole approach has backfire written all over it!
This is one argument that will inevitably blow up in the faces of the pro-illegal crowd - it is simply a question of time.
For the Dems and some Republicans, this reminds me of the story of the dog with a bone in his mouth who sees his reflection in the water at the edge of a lake - and thinks its another dog with a bone - he then drops his bone in the water in an attempt to get "the other bone" ... and loses everything over an illusion.
Does anyone seriously not believe that come the next US recession (which affects economic conditions south too!!! - and down there they are already deteriorating!!!) that illegals will continue to come - they will be competing openingly (they are now but its down quietly) with other illegals, Hispanic-American citizens, African-Americans, and unemployed whites?
Nothing gets uglier faster than labor unrest - it may be localized and regionalized - but it will be a sight to see on the 24hr news cycle! Add to that mix localized voter fraud (you know its happening) and increased taxes for diminishing services ... what a combination!
This is one argument that will inevitably blow up in the faces of the pro-illegal crowd - it is simply a question of time.
For the Dems and some Republicans, this reminds me of the story of the dog with a bone in his mouth who sees his reflection in the water at the edge of a lake - and thinks its another dog with a bone - he then drops his bone in the water in an attempt to get "the other bone" ... and loses everything over an illusion.
Does anyone seriously not believe that come the next US recession (which affects economic conditions south too!!! - and down there they are already deteriorating!!!) that illegals will continue to come - they will be competing openingly (they are now but its down quietly) with other illegals, Hispanic-American citizens, African-Americans, and unemployed whites?
Nothing gets uglier faster than labor unrest - it may be localized and regionalized - but it will be a sight to see on the 24hr news cycle! Add to that mix localized voter fraud (you know its happening) and increased taxes for diminishing services ... what a combination!
Posted by: hondo at April 15, 2006 03:25 PM (4mgfY)
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Well, we could always engage in ethnic sensitivity -- why not use the Spanish word "mojado" (pronounced "mo-ha-doh"). It means "wet", and refers to the fact that these foreign invaders need towels for their backs.
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at April 15, 2006 04:02 PM (o4D7C)
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Nativo Lopez (probably not even his real name), has been involved with the racist Aztlan movement for decades. The more these jokers cry about terminology, the more they need to hear it. There's a clear parallel with muslims' attempt to stifle free speech regarding statements about islam that they find "offensive". I say let's offend 'em every chance we get.
Posted by: Richard at April 15, 2006 05:08 PM (7KF8r)
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I googled Nativo Lopez and discovered that he was Larry Lopez before changing to Nativo to have more latin appeal. It is merely coincidence that my handle also contains Larry in it.
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Posted by: Last word Larry at April 15, 2006 08:23 PM (FCC6c)
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Larry Hailus, are you drunk, or just stupid? Never mind. I think stupid will do.
Posted by: jesusland joe at April 15, 2006 08:29 PM (rUyw4)
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Joe Blow it out your a**.
Posted by: Last word Larry at April 15, 2006 08:58 PM (FCC6c)
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HR4437
Posted by: Walter Haas at April 15, 2006 10:36 PM (8lHGf)
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HR4437,stop free trade.We will have the power if we stop immigration.This is how the coporates keep the price of labor down.Greed is king and will destory our culture.There must be control of trade.International bankers,Federal Reserve,it is unconstitutional.No deficit no FR.Require states to use education model of before 1963.Have physical education manatory.Teach our children to be proud to be American.TAKE BACK AMERICA.Force a draft army,the majority will not fight,STOP WAR.PROSECUTE TRAITORS.
Posted by: Walter Haas at April 15, 2006 10:54 PM (8lHGf)
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JJ, it does no good to tell Larry or Hailus what he is. Yes, he's a moron, yes he's an idiot. The problem is that he's too stupid to be bothered by it. This is what our government schools have wrought and foisted upon us. A bunch of ninnies whose self-esteem is impenetrable because their feelings take presedence over value and knowledge. They never feel pressured to produce anything of real value because they think their presence alone is all that's necessary.
Posted by: Oyster at April 16, 2006 05:25 AM (YudAC)
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Feel the heat Oyster breath! Now get on all fours -- and bow to your superior!
Posted by: Last word Larry at April 16, 2006 06:39 AM (FCC6c)
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Larry, Hailus, whatever you feel the need to be today, since you can't even decide on a handle, let alone carry on an intellectual conversation with even the most lightweight of political opponents without resorting to the standard Bush bashing rhetoric or faking a strong conservative standpoint to weasel your way in with buzz words you don't even have a passing acquaintance with the definitions of, your best bet would be to just shut your pie hole and take the backseat you were born to because you are treading way too deep. Mental midgets like you get trampled everyday. I'd hate to see you get hurt. And the best you can do is, "Now get on all fours -- and bow to your superior!"
What a child.
And rest assured I won't address you again. Life is way too short to respond any further to your debasing and infantile remarks.
What a child.
And rest assured I won't address you again. Life is way too short to respond any further to your debasing and infantile remarks.
Posted by: Oyster at April 16, 2006 02:26 PM (YudAC)
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Oops! I must have touched a nerve on that one! Now who's the oppressor here? I only verbally attack when verbally attacked. Oyster breath started this with insults of " moron " and " idiot " , not knowing me from Adam and now has wheezed out and grown red in the face! Typical! Now Oyster breath has resorted to veiled threats of physical harm. If it's too hot in the kitchen .... and if you want people to shut-up then there are plenty like you over in the Muslim dominated areas of the world! The one piece of advice you gave yourself I agree with, and that is if you can't take it then don't dish it out ... and please don't strap on a suicide belt! I actually do enjoy reading some of your posts.
Posted by: Last word Larry at April 16, 2006 02:59 PM (FCC6c)
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Did,nt they used to call them wetbacks?
Posted by: sandpiper at April 16, 2006 03:45 PM (6rkkO)
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So suddenly "illegal" is a word that belongs in the same locked box that holds "kike," "nigger," and "spic," eh? Fine. Maybe I'll start calling the Hispanics "Aztlanofascists" from now on.
Posted by: Aitch748 at April 16, 2006 04:06 PM (SA7JJ)
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Larry, if Oyster says you're an idiot, then you're a complete idiot. Fuck off and die troll.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 17, 2006 05:34 AM (0yYS2)
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Inprobe-ass Maximus: Feel free to strap on your suicide belt. It will make you feel better. Just do it in the privacy of your own home so as not to take out any innocents. Maybe you can have that other troll Oyster breath whom you are so fond of join you.
Posted by: Last word Larry at April 17, 2006 10:43 AM (FCC6c)
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Larry you want banned don't you? So I can save you from yourself.
Posted by: Howie at April 17, 2006 10:54 AM (D3+20)
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Oh! I get it! Are you all in cahoots with each other? It's okay for them to antagonize and break the rules? Is that the sort of rabid annihilate ranting that elevates ones position here? Well, I am armed too so anyone who wants to come hunt me down can feel the sting of hot lead if that is their wish.
Posted by: Last word Larry at April 17, 2006 11:32 AM (FCC6c)
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Now don't get all huffy.
Posted by: Howie at April 17, 2006 12:26 PM (D3+20)
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I am trying to resist the urge to sink to the level of rabid foaming annihilate the lefties or the righties mentalities displayed by some here .... can't we all just get along? And anyone who calls me an idiot is due for some mental pain and humiliation! Ooh! I love this blog!
Posted by: Last word Larry at April 17, 2006 01:39 PM (FCC6c)
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Yello. Not only have I snuck accross the border and stole your yob, i'm banging your wife and your daughter. who do u thinks at you home mowing the lawn and eating you wife and daughter's shaved pussy while your at work?
PS.
I have 2 yobs.
PS.
I have 2 yobs.
Posted by: Your yob & Wife at April 18, 2006 02:03 PM (va7MX)
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My wife and daughter's pussy's are done professionally ... naw ... must be someone else ...
Posted by: Last word Larry at April 18, 2006 10:45 PM (FCC6c)
Posted by: The Other Dave at April 21, 2006 07:15 PM (zvBf9)
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Yay beaners rule.
Posted by: Dabeaner at May 02, 2006 10:42 AM (IO8LW)
April 13, 2006
Comedy Central Censors South Park
Michelle Malkin has the story. She includes a clip of the censorship as well as this link for feedback to Comedy Central. And Michelle has open comments on this post so go go and express your dismay.
Ok let me get this strait, Muhammad handing Peter a helmet = offensive enough to censor.
Jesus and Friends Crapping on George W Bush = not that bad.
Is the world a F*^&ed up place or what?
Others Volokh Conspiracy and In the Bullpen.
Add this Image from Republicanjen. Hat Tip: Dr. Rusty Shackleford.
I'm sooooo pissed off too!!
Related : The Jawa Report South Park Muhammed Cartoon Episode.
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Radical islam, not "Bush", is the greatest threat to our civil liberties today.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 13, 2006 12:13 PM (8e/V4)
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They're gamblers man...they're playing the percentages
Offending Christians =OK Zero percent chance they'll hunt you down and chop your head off.
Offending Musliims =Not OK. 50/50 percent chance they'll hunt you down and chop your head off.
Offending Christians =OK Zero percent chance they'll hunt you down and chop your head off.
Offending Musliims =Not OK. 50/50 percent chance they'll hunt you down and chop your head off.
Posted by: mrclark at April 13, 2006 12:34 PM (S76hi)
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It's a sorry day in America when even Comedy Central censors it's own programs... We should all thank them for giving in to Islamofacism!
Posted by: Drew at April 13, 2006 12:45 PM (5S/C1)
Posted by: Good Lt at April 13, 2006 01:04 PM (jWYAe)
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Comedy Central was more concerned about their income than sparking violent protests. CAIR most likely made it known to the network that they had their boycott threat form letters printed and ready to send to their sponsors.
Posted by: Graeme at April 13, 2006 01:30 PM (ZlBDp)
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CAIR most likely made it known to the network that they had their boycott threat form letters printed and ready to send to their sponsors.
Perhaps so, but in that case the best they could have done for business would be to write a snarky letter back reading "I don't 'CAIR' what you think. Get it? 'CAIR!' Get it? 'CAIR!' Get it?"
Nope, I think it was the fatwahphobia.
Perhaps so, but in that case the best they could have done for business would be to write a snarky letter back reading "I don't 'CAIR' what you think. Get it? 'CAIR!' Get it? 'CAIR!' Get it?"
Nope, I think it was the fatwahphobia.
Posted by: Xrlq at April 13, 2006 02:02 PM (IqF37)
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Boycott? How about they just leave if they don't like it?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 13, 2006 02:31 PM (0yYS2)
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BOYCOTT COEMEDY CENTRAL
Posted by: sandpiper at April 13, 2006 02:46 PM (XnXsx)
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how are we supposed to boycott comedy cnetral when South Park is only on comedy central!?
Posted by: anon at April 13, 2006 03:44 PM (9/8CT)
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Today, I re-posted the Momeathead Cartoons entirely out of spite. I feel much better now.
Posted by: richj at April 13, 2006 04:31 PM (Qrjpn)
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I predicted this last week. Do you really think the liberal assholes at Comedy Central really want to piss off their new found friends the Islamofascists? And these Muslims here in the US would do nothing. Nada, not a damn thing. But they are being encouraged by displays like this to see that violence and threats of violence gets results. I also predict this will encourage the bastards to ramp up the rhetoric.
Posted by: jesusland joe at April 13, 2006 04:35 PM (rUyw4)
Posted by: RepJ at April 13, 2006 05:13 PM (Ffvoi)
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I'm lovin' all this! As I said before, terror & violence does work with some people. Those that bend over can hummmmener hummmener all they want - they have effectively telegraphed how whoosy and gutless they really are. Laugh at 'em.
Posted by: hondo at April 13, 2006 08:59 PM (4mgfY)
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I suppose they did it out of "respect" for islam.
Posted by: dcb at April 13, 2006 09:28 PM (8e/V4)
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Seems reasonable to me.
Posted by: Richie at April 13, 2006 09:33 PM (E7ptS)
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After viewing the video and thinking with all the hype- is this a huge advertising ploy to just get more hyped interest? who's being duped? makes me wonder which maybe exactly what- who wants?
Posted by: wu at April 13, 2006 09:41 PM (4SKHI)
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I think some of you are missing the point. Matt and Trey knew CC would censor the Mohammed part, but would air, without reservation, the "Jesus and friends crapping" part. It was a direct dig at CC.
Think about it...
Cartoons of Mo cause Muslims to riot all over the world, and many people die.
Jesus and friends crap all over Bush etc... no riots, no deaths... nothing.
Think about it...
Cartoons of Mo cause Muslims to riot all over the world, and many people die.
Jesus and friends crap all over Bush etc... no riots, no deaths... nothing.
Posted by: Ariya at April 13, 2006 11:00 PM (yHb0A)
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 14, 2006 08:08 AM (8e/V4)
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>>>It was a direct dig at CC.
I see your point. But christians still don't like their faith being dragged through the shit so atheists can make digs at each other. Show some "respect."
I see your point. But christians still don't like their faith being dragged through the shit so atheists can make digs at each other. Show some "respect."
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 14, 2006 08:11 AM (8e/V4)
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I think Christians have a right to be offended by depictions of Christ defecating on the president. And it is important to remember that they have made no threats of violence against any person or institution that has offended them. A Christian boycott of Viacom, Comedy Central or South Park would be in the best traditions of American democracy. By contrast, the threats and violent acts of some Muslims are outrageous, and must be condemned.
However, Carlos, if you really want to see disrespect, look at atheists. More Americans say they would not vote for an atheist for political office, regardless of his positions, than any ethnic group, gender, or sexual orientation. Christians get state recognition of a key holiday. More than 70 parents have lost custody of their children in America simply because the judge thought they would be better off with their Christian parent. Imagine, for a moment, if 70 christians had lost their children because they were christian?
I could go on--the point is, the broader society is far more "disrespectful" of atheists, who are a distrusted, disliked minority, than this fictional "war on christians" who make up the vast majority of Americans. There is disrespect directed at some fundamentalists, and yeah, as Medved's book points out, many Hollywood liberals are not fond of Christianity, but in the larger scheme of things, atheists get the worse deal.
However, Carlos, if you really want to see disrespect, look at atheists. More Americans say they would not vote for an atheist for political office, regardless of his positions, than any ethnic group, gender, or sexual orientation. Christians get state recognition of a key holiday. More than 70 parents have lost custody of their children in America simply because the judge thought they would be better off with their Christian parent. Imagine, for a moment, if 70 christians had lost their children because they were christian?
I could go on--the point is, the broader society is far more "disrespectful" of atheists, who are a distrusted, disliked minority, than this fictional "war on christians" who make up the vast majority of Americans. There is disrespect directed at some fundamentalists, and yeah, as Medved's book points out, many Hollywood liberals are not fond of Christianity, but in the larger scheme of things, atheists get the worse deal.
Posted by: jd at April 16, 2006 06:50 AM (uT71O)
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I think the cartoon was offensive and I dont blame Christians for their disgust. A much more realistic cartoon would have shown Bush crapping on Jesus and the flag...
Posted by: charlie at April 16, 2006 07:17 AM (6oaPd)
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You got that right Charlie! Although I doubt South Park is on many Christians list of late-night entertainment.
Posted by: Last word Larry at April 17, 2006 02:29 PM (FCC6c)
March 31, 2006
The Problem is Islam
Serge Trifkovic gave frontpagemag an interview on his upcoming book Defeating Jihad. The general idea is that the west's zeal for self destruction and political correctness can only lead one direction, strait to the defeat of the west and the eventual submission to Islam. Serge says our current efforts to win the GWOT are inadequate and hampered by politically correct thought. He starts with the general persecution of Christians throughout the Islamic world and moves to the domestic “spying†issue and on to expose the foundations and downright evil of Islam and the “prophet†Muhammad. Serge fears the PC definition of the Jihadist brand of Islam is a mistake!
Serge Trifkovic via Frontpagemag :We need a comprehensive strategy of defense not merely against a small jihadist elite but against an inherently aggressive, demographically vibrant, and ideologically rigid Islamic movement - and please, no more "Islamist" red herrings! - a movement that has global proportions and world-historical significance. As an ideology and a blueprint for radical political action, it is a phenomenon that cannot be compared in dynamism, energy, and potential consequences with any other creed or idea in today's world. It demands a sustained, bold response that has failed to materialize so far. We are losing the war because our elite class does not allow the enemy to be defined. The squeamishness of European and American bien-pensants alike in naming the enemy is but one sign of a shared malaise that hampers a coherent effort.He also exposes the deceptions of the liberal media in reference to the “domestic spying†issue. Why does the MSM not tell you exactly who is the target of this program? If they do, they just lost the issue that’s why.
Within America, glossing over the surveillance targets' identity has two objectives. First of all, it presented President Bush as an out-of-control autocrat-in-the-making whose hoods may be eavesdropping on any one of us at any time. Secondly, it also implied that a Muslim who has become a naturalized American citizen is so thoroughly and irrevocably "American," that no hyphenated designation or qualifier is called for.You bet they should be deported. Since Islam is a political doctrine as well as religion, can a truly devout Muslim truthfully take the oath of citizenship in the USA and mean it? The truth of the prophet himself and his so called “faith†strait for the Koran and hadiths including his murderous rampages and child brides below the fold. In fact Trifkovic is so right on target I have a tough time deciding what to place on this blog! I strongly recommend we all read it, although Jawa readers will be familiar with much of the content, so we can understand just how political correctness supports the enemy and will lead to loss of our freedom. Our own love of freedom is the factor the enemy is counting on. More below the fold or click here for the entire interview. Also see Infidel Blogger Aliance. more...Abroad, concealing the rioters' identity fits in with the liberal world view that reject the notion that importing Muslim immigrants may be in any way disadvantageous for the host country. Having reduced religion, politics and art to "narratives" and "metaphors" which merely reflect prejudices based on the distribution of power, the elite class saw the rioters' shout of "Allahu akbar!" as a mere idiosyncrasy that would be cured if the French state gave those "youths" more jobs, more dark-skinned TV anchors, and, of course, lots of "affirmative action" in employment and education.
The citizenship of any naturalized American who preaches jihad, inequality of "infidels" and women, the establishment of the Shari'a law etc., should be revoked, and that person promptly deported to the country of origin.
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Yeah, deporting will work sooooo well, especially since we don't have a long, porous border that nobody is bother to guard...
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 31, 2006 04:56 PM (0yYS2)
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good point IM but it's better than letting them stand that and preach our destruction on our own soil. Over the ocean in a used zodiac in August might be a better way.
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Since Islam is a political doctrine as well as religion, can a truly devout Muslim truthfully take the oath of citizenship in the USA and mean it?
Of course, people used to ask this about Catholics, and it was just as stupid then.
Of course, people used to ask this about Catholics, and it was just as stupid then.
Posted by: Matt at March 31, 2006 05:14 PM (mXCvM)
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How about we just kill them instead? Muslims are vermin and must be exterminated for the good of humanity. Also, fuck off, Matt, muslims can only be trusted when they're six feet under.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 31, 2006 07:10 PM (0yYS2)
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I am deeply ashamed to see humans who are as ignorant as you people. I can clearly see that your words reflect true knowledge and understanding of the world. Yeah Right!! , You think you know others, you think you can judge others, are you sure? What do you know about Islam? of course you just know what your News agencies feed you, and what your books tell you, all written and directed by people as ignorant as yourselves who only choose to look in one direction only, people who would close their ears and starts blabbering loudly when someone tells you something against what you know or think you know. Well, there are some people, who consider themselves muslims, whome are really terrorists. As there are Christians and jews who are terrorists "but i think you choose not to look that way" (well sorry for you), but does that make all muslims BAD, or terrorists or whatever you think you know about Islam?
I think the only chance you and other people can live in peace is when you choose to come out of your shell and try to know the other. Maybe then you would understand right from wrong, and maybe then you would not make any stupid mistakes which youd eventually backfire on you. Maybe when you know muslims, trust them, and let them trust you, you would be able to see clearly who the real terrorists are.
Maybe if you truely look into islam you will know that it is the closest to what you think is democracy rather than terrorism.
Someone once said that Ignorance is bliss, well for you people, ignorance is self destruction.
Have a nice day Folks,
and i hope you take off this dark veil off your faces, the veil which prevents you from seeing reality.
I think the only chance you and other people can live in peace is when you choose to come out of your shell and try to know the other. Maybe then you would understand right from wrong, and maybe then you would not make any stupid mistakes which youd eventually backfire on you. Maybe when you know muslims, trust them, and let them trust you, you would be able to see clearly who the real terrorists are.
Maybe if you truely look into islam you will know that it is the closest to what you think is democracy rather than terrorism.
Someone once said that Ignorance is bliss, well for you people, ignorance is self destruction.
Have a nice day Folks,
and i hope you take off this dark veil off your faces, the veil which prevents you from seeing reality.
Posted by: Steven M. at March 31, 2006 09:07 PM (dKe9q)
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Well, Steven M., it appears that you think everybody is ignorant except you and other Muslims. If being ignorant means that I don't strap bomb belts on myself or anyone else, if it means nobody has been murdered to preserve my family's honor, if it means that all cartoon parodies are acceptable, and if it means that women are people with elemental human rights as opposed to being property, then I'll be ignorant. In the meantime, you can shove it.
Posted by: Mike at April 01, 2006 02:28 AM (0tX76)
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Hey Steven, you can take your whiney liberal hand-wringing and shove it up your ass. Your only choice for the future is to live under the just rule of conservatives, or the tyrannical rule of muslims, if you don't get your head chopped off along the way, that is. Personally, I hope to meet many like you when the war comes, because our society has enough women, and ball-less males like you need to be taken out of the gene pool. Now go cry about the dolphins, you little punk-ass bitch.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 01, 2006 06:38 AM (0yYS2)
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Well here you are at it again. Thanks mike because you showed great knowledge of islam. Is that what they feed you man? I am really sorry for you, believe me i am. Is that what you think islam really is? Suicide Bombers? Killers? and freaks? Where do you get all those ideas from? Oh and who said that women are with minimal rights? Who for Gods Sake? DO you know that islam condemns killing others? especially women, children, and old people. Do you KNOW that it is forbidden to rob and destroy other people's cities and villages if an islamic army takes over that city? Do you KNOW that prosecuting a person who have commited Adultery should only happen if the islamic all the people of a certain coutry are abiding by the Islamic Law by all aspects, and that there is no such thing as honor killing in the true islamic religeon? I guess you do NOT know. Do you know that in Islam women have more rights than men, and that these benifits are devided equally among all the aspects of the daily life? Do you know that some stupid laws in islamic countries against women are wrong and that they are actually a product of inherited traditons which has no link to islam? And concerning the fact that muslims get pissed at some ignorant ass hole who makes fun of someone who is valuable to them, well don't people fight with each other if someone cursed the other's mother, wife or father. Don't people fight when someone bothers somone else's girlfriend, or make fun of them or of what they belive. Did Islam intrude on these so called artists? Did Muslims draw Jesus, Moses, or any other religeous figure in a bad manner or made fun of them? no, because islam respects all prophets, and religeous icons, even if Muslims do not agree with their beliefs or ways of life. And if there were some people who say they are muslims and do terrible things which islam condemns, is it Islam's fault. If you choose to look in one direction, and if you choose to condemn islam, is it Islam's fault? Well believe what you choose to belive, it's your right, but do not go on saying things about others without knowing if what you are saying is true or not, it is not a quality which a 21st century, educted, and civilized human should have. Oh and thank you both Mike and Improbulus, especially improbulus for your nice words, they reflect the level from which you speak out of.
Have a nice day.
Have a nice day.
Posted by: Steven M. at April 01, 2006 07:59 PM (dKe9q)
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Democracy in the Middle East is a valid project and can help but we can’t let up on other Arab nations when it comes to rights. This I think is where left and right can come together. I you can’t quite bring yourself to speak out about the fact that religion drives most of these problems you should still fight the lack of civil rights in these nations on a purely political level. None of these countries has a leg to stand on as far as civil rights. The democracies we are establishing may help as they can change faster. If Islamist parties are going to rise to more power we have to call them on these issues. More of a “Warm War†doctrine I think. With the same cold war ideas of containment and push for civil rights and freedom. . Expose them on a political lever. Have some balls for god’s sake. I know it’s not the best post I ever wrote and I really didn’t like it when I read it either. But what I’ve seen recently is we have some issues up front. Dissidents and lack of religious freedoms, bad treatment of women and economic problems. If we don’t watch it we might all come together here. So those issues I try to bring up. You can’t just blow it off as a struggle against a few nut’s you have to pursue it as an ideological fight rivaling the cold war. I knew it wasn’t the best thing I ever wrote but I didn’t have time to change it(AGSPMCS). Who knows, maybe I’ll get rusty his Fatwa?
Posted by: Howie at April 01, 2006 08:03 PM (D3+20)
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Stephen M, what a brainwashed idiot you are. I just got through watching a hare-brained imam saying that all women should have to submit to female circumcision. What kind of dark ages crap is this? And you expect to be taken seriously. Please, use your brain before you talk for God's sake.
And the prophet you are so proud of raped the wife of a Jew he had just had murdered and put her in his harem. And he took a six-year old for a wife? and raped her when she was nine. But he is your hero. Go figure.
No, I have no respect for Islam, it is a vicious cult stuck in the Dark Ages and deserves the disrespect it has earned for the rape, murder, looting, plunder, slavery, head chopping and I don't know how many other crimes committed against humanity, especially Hindus, Buddists, and Christians. You should be ashamed to be a Muslim. Shame, shame, shame. 80 million Hindus slaughtered, 25 million Buddists murdered, 10 million Christians enslaved with another 8 million murdered, Eastern Europe depopulated, North Africa destroyed, the Christian Middle East conquered and destroyed, Anatolia destoyed and depopulated of Christians, Spain and France attacked with thousands killed and enslaved, Italy invaded , ALL PRIOR TO THE CRUDADES, and I could go on and on. What do YOU have to say about all of these atrocities? And still they go on. We all await your answer.
And the prophet you are so proud of raped the wife of a Jew he had just had murdered and put her in his harem. And he took a six-year old for a wife? and raped her when she was nine. But he is your hero. Go figure.
No, I have no respect for Islam, it is a vicious cult stuck in the Dark Ages and deserves the disrespect it has earned for the rape, murder, looting, plunder, slavery, head chopping and I don't know how many other crimes committed against humanity, especially Hindus, Buddists, and Christians. You should be ashamed to be a Muslim. Shame, shame, shame. 80 million Hindus slaughtered, 25 million Buddists murdered, 10 million Christians enslaved with another 8 million murdered, Eastern Europe depopulated, North Africa destroyed, the Christian Middle East conquered and destroyed, Anatolia destoyed and depopulated of Christians, Spain and France attacked with thousands killed and enslaved, Italy invaded , ALL PRIOR TO THE CRUDADES, and I could go on and on. What do YOU have to say about all of these atrocities? And still they go on. We all await your answer.
Posted by: templar knight at April 01, 2006 08:31 PM (rUyw4)
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I hate to disappoint you dude but i am strongly sure you are wrong. sorry for you. What in God's name was that you are talking about in the first 2 paragraphs? where did you get that from? Did you get that from a Muslim, a book about islam written by muslims? coz if you take muslims to be the vicious creatures you are talking about they should be proud of what you say, and then it will be in many of their referances. Are you sure the things mentioned in the second paragraph were not written or told to you by someone just like you who hates islam and is blinded by his/her hate? Come on man Grow UP. Can't tou even make a proper research. Should i hate the jews because of what the nazis said about them? what's wrong with some people? For your own sake t knight when you want to judge someone or make a point about something research various sources and ask many people, coz getting information from people just like you won't do you any good, it would make you look dumber. And by the way how can true muslims do what their religeon condemns? slaughtering? killing? raping? what the hell? Are Muslims invading other countries for no apparent reason? are Muslims planning to rob other's of their countries wealths? Are Muslims making fun of other people's beliefs? are Muslims playing judges in other people's internal affairs? are Muslims occupying other people's lands? are Muslims afraid that other nations would be powerful enough to have their own ideas heard by the world? are Muslims preventing others from having weapons while they have enormous weapon arsinals which can destroy the earth a few times in a row? are Muslims Destroying other people's houses and sacred places because they suspect there are weapons hidden there? Do Muslims sell weapons to two counries and make them fight while they try to take control of the region? Do Muslims treat other's in their countries like they were shit and non human? and a thousand other questions? heh, but i suppose they mean shit to you, right!? Well once again if you are gonna choose to look in one direction and one direction only it is your problem to Islam's.
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Posted by: Steven M. at April 01, 2006 09:00 PM (dKe9q)
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No when so called Mulsims destroy mosques and buildings and sacred places why do they do that. So go fight for those people for their rights. For their secular rights that religion be put in it's place. Nice to see you so upset about it.
Posted by: Howie at April 01, 2006 09:17 PM (D3+20)
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Pot. Kettle. Black.
Christians and Muslims take turns going apeshit and murdering Jews, atheists, and assorted "heretics. Watching them point fingers at each other is funny and sad at the same time.
Christians and Muslims take turns going apeshit and murdering Jews, atheists, and assorted "heretics. Watching them point fingers at each other is funny and sad at the same time.
Posted by: r4d20 at April 01, 2006 09:33 PM (fN/ah)
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I think you should answer that to yourslef, you just wrote it there in your comment. can a muslim who destroyes a mosque in the first place "without going deeper into the list" be a muslim? oh and "so called" is a very wise word. like "self proclaimed" so is it islam's fault if some nutcase says he is a muslim and kills someone? or isn't Christianity's fault if some christian did the same? or the jew's problem if some jewish nutcase did the same? And who informed you that Islam and the islamic nations are not trying their best to stop such people? well sorry but you seem deeply brainwashed. you are just so filled with hate that you are blinded, maybe you should be a terrorist of some sort, it seems to suit your personality.
Posted by: Steven M. at April 01, 2006 09:46 PM (dKe9q)
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Hey Steven, does your muslim boyfriend even shower before you fellate him, or do you prefer him au natural, man-musk and all?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 01, 2006 09:55 PM (0yYS2)
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well Improbulus Maximus, you seem not worth talking to. I won't go as steep as you. sorry but i am not an animal, but hey it seems to suit you.
grow up
grow up
Posted by: Steven M. at April 01, 2006 09:59 PM (dKe9q)
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Stephen, you stupid fool. What I quoted you is known history all over the World. What kind of stupid brainwashed fool are you?
Are you so stupid you have not heard of the Hindu Kush mountain range? Are you so stupid that you do not know that Hindu Kush means Hindu slaughter? Are you so stupid that you are unaware of what Muhmud of Ghanzi did to the Hindus?
These events were recorded by ISLAMIC WRITERS AND HISTORIANS al-Utbi, secretary to Mahmud and later by Ferishta. Are you so ignorant to have no knowledge of these men and the recording of the slaughter of the Hindus? Please do not call anyone un-educated when you know nothing but what you learn in madrass.
I could go on, but my point is proved. Muslims should be shamed by the murders and crimes against humanity they have done. Shame on all Muslims. They now can find out these things but they cling to stupidity of the past. This Improbulus Maximus guy may be right, you Muslims wish to destroy the entire World if you do not get your way.
Are you so stupid you have not heard of the Hindu Kush mountain range? Are you so stupid that you do not know that Hindu Kush means Hindu slaughter? Are you so stupid that you are unaware of what Muhmud of Ghanzi did to the Hindus?
These events were recorded by ISLAMIC WRITERS AND HISTORIANS al-Utbi, secretary to Mahmud and later by Ferishta. Are you so ignorant to have no knowledge of these men and the recording of the slaughter of the Hindus? Please do not call anyone un-educated when you know nothing but what you learn in madrass.
I could go on, but my point is proved. Muslims should be shamed by the murders and crimes against humanity they have done. Shame on all Muslims. They now can find out these things but they cling to stupidity of the past. This Improbulus Maximus guy may be right, you Muslims wish to destroy the entire World if you do not get your way.
Posted by: templar knight at April 01, 2006 10:58 PM (rUyw4)
Posted by: jesusland joe at April 01, 2006 11:07 PM (rUyw4)
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Steven, I hope we meet some day, but since we probably won't, I hope you die in the next terrorist attack by your beloved muslims. You are a piece of shit traitor and deserve to die on the end of a rope at best.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 02, 2006 07:46 AM (0yYS2)
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Bully if you don't call them to account where is the pressure to change? If you don't call these nations to change WTF are you doing. Ignoring rights all over the world. But steveo here thinks they should have the right to murder Christians because hey it's their nation and all that America fights for the little guy stuff it's all about tolerance now. We liberals just don't believe in core American values any more. We are going to support these nations rights to oppress right up until we find ourself oppres by them and all the people they oppress well "Screw Them". As long as I've got tater chips I'm happy. We are going to attack those who will fight for even our freedom and take the threats serious. In other words we SUCK!!!! Communism is OK Stalin, Castro, Mao was just a few nuts. Talk like that would have won the cold war sure it would. Dumbass. I would have thought liberals would seize on these human rights issues and push every one becuase it's their place. But no they don't believe in their own bullshit any more. FDR is turning over in his Grave.
Posted by: Howie at April 02, 2006 09:42 AM (D3+20)
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Templar, you ought to review your history more carefully man. Sure the Hindu Kush mountain area had witnessed many massacres of indian people but did the muslims do all the fighting and killing in that area? Alexander the GREAT? (non Muslim) 327 B.C. , Timur Lane?(non Muslim) 1398 A.D. , killed up to 1000,000 indians. then the Mughal emperor Akbar (non Muslim), killed around 30,000 indians, and of course then comes Mahmoud of Ghanzi in 1001 A.D. who of course fought and killed many indians. So we choose to just look at Mahmoud of Ghanzi because he is ategorized as a turkish Muslim. Oh and by the way why does the indian government forbids talking about this era, and why do indian historians say that the Islamic Indian conflict is just a part of the british policy of "divide and rule"? well of course in your openion the indians are not fighting for their own rights, maybe they need your democracy and freedom fighters to help them right?
and speaking of the British, well didn't they massacre Indians? or is that just the figment of someone's imagination. Maybe the inidans made that up. oh but the british are civilized, how can they do that?
So we chose to ignore other historical aspects and direct our hate towards one brand of people. They did all the killing and bad things in hitory you would shout with your ears closed. We do not do anything wrong, we always have a reason but other, others are evil you would say.
What about the massacres the crusader did? oh if they did, you would think, they should have had a good reason!!! right?
What about killing most of those native americans? were those not massacres?
What about invading others countries then trying to change their history and rearranging the maps in those regions? all for a good cause?
What about shooting and killing muslims praying in a mosque? not a massacre?
and on , and on , and on .....
But sure, the nazis chose to look in one direction, and thought they were the best there is and that they should kill everyone else, they chose to listen to each other coz that was more comfortable, they had their good reasons right? well some are doing the same nowadays and they are no better that those SOB nazis, so go on branding people and making stereotypes, go on let your hate blind you, and when you read a historical fact just choose what suits you, coz you can't be mistaken but others can, right?
and speaking of the British, well didn't they massacre Indians? or is that just the figment of someone's imagination. Maybe the inidans made that up. oh but the british are civilized, how can they do that?
So we chose to ignore other historical aspects and direct our hate towards one brand of people. They did all the killing and bad things in hitory you would shout with your ears closed. We do not do anything wrong, we always have a reason but other, others are evil you would say.
What about the massacres the crusader did? oh if they did, you would think, they should have had a good reason!!! right?
What about killing most of those native americans? were those not massacres?
What about invading others countries then trying to change their history and rearranging the maps in those regions? all for a good cause?
What about shooting and killing muslims praying in a mosque? not a massacre?
and on , and on , and on .....
But sure, the nazis chose to look in one direction, and thought they were the best there is and that they should kill everyone else, they chose to listen to each other coz that was more comfortable, they had their good reasons right? well some are doing the same nowadays and they are no better that those SOB nazis, so go on branding people and making stereotypes, go on let your hate blind you, and when you read a historical fact just choose what suits you, coz you can't be mistaken but others can, right?
Posted by: Steve at April 02, 2006 10:40 AM (dKe9q)
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Timurlane was a Muslim, Steve.
Mahmud of Ghanzi led 17 expeditions into India over a 26 year period that basically destroyed the Hindus, killing 10's of millions. What most people object so much about Mahmud was his murder and enslavement and ill treatment of the Hindus, who died in the millions. The other conquerors had not tried to destroy the culture of the Hindus and Buddists. The other conquerors did not lay waste to the Hindu places of worship, or destroy the Buddist temples. It was the sheer numbers killed by Mahmud that boggle the mind.
And then we have Muhammed of Ghor. I'm with the templar knight here, Steve. You Muslims are known throughout your history as destroyers of everything in a culture, including places of worship.
Steve, you are supporting a return to the Dark Ages with these lies. You need to wake up before it is too late. Free your mind from this darkness.
Mahmud of Ghanzi led 17 expeditions into India over a 26 year period that basically destroyed the Hindus, killing 10's of millions. What most people object so much about Mahmud was his murder and enslavement and ill treatment of the Hindus, who died in the millions. The other conquerors had not tried to destroy the culture of the Hindus and Buddists. The other conquerors did not lay waste to the Hindu places of worship, or destroy the Buddist temples. It was the sheer numbers killed by Mahmud that boggle the mind.
And then we have Muhammed of Ghor. I'm with the templar knight here, Steve. You Muslims are known throughout your history as destroyers of everything in a culture, including places of worship.
Steve, you are supporting a return to the Dark Ages with these lies. You need to wake up before it is too late. Free your mind from this darkness.
Posted by: jesusland joe at April 02, 2006 01:25 PM (rUyw4)
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To Steve,
The Indian Government not wants to talk about Muslim murderers because they know you will start the murders again. They afraid of you Muslims because they know you for murderers of thousands of years. No other people who came to India and conquered, even the British, killed Hindus and Buddists like Muslims did. And they did not destroy temples and places of worship.
Steve, you are either stupid or else stupid imam trying to cover crimes of Muslims. You cannot succeed because whole world knows the crimes you have committed and you keep committing them. Don't try to excuse your crimes by pointing out crimes of others. Their crimes were bad, too, but the Muslims surpass everyone, even Monguls, for their brutality. Shame on Muslims. Shame of you, Steve. Admit your crimes, and try to change Islam, or you and it will destroy the World. Is that what you want, Steve, to destroy World?
The Indian Government not wants to talk about Muslim murderers because they know you will start the murders again. They afraid of you Muslims because they know you for murderers of thousands of years. No other people who came to India and conquered, even the British, killed Hindus and Buddists like Muslims did. And they did not destroy temples and places of worship.
Steve, you are either stupid or else stupid imam trying to cover crimes of Muslims. You cannot succeed because whole world knows the crimes you have committed and you keep committing them. Don't try to excuse your crimes by pointing out crimes of others. Their crimes were bad, too, but the Muslims surpass everyone, even Monguls, for their brutality. Shame on Muslims. Shame of you, Steve. Admit your crimes, and try to change Islam, or you and it will destroy the World. Is that what you want, Steve, to destroy World?
Posted by: templar knight at April 02, 2006 02:23 PM (rUyw4)
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Hi there everyone, cool it a bit will ya
Well to give it to you streight, i think both parts lie sometimes with respect to historical events, and after sometime hundreds of versions of the same story comes out, so i believe its no good to take such stuff as solid truth.
I happen to travel around a lot, and i've been to some islamic countries so many times. and i for one who had my fears and doubts, and hate. I still have some of those, but i have to say sometimes we do judge others by our point of view only. for instance before going to some islamic countries i had some frightening ideas and i was about to quit at the last minute. but boy was i surprised. What i saw were somewhat modern cities, with educated people, i did not even see a single camel (stupid me). They have everything we have. And they practice their religeon by the book. in many countries Christians and muslims are friends, they go out together, work together, and even marry in some cases. But that is not what mostly surprised me. What did is that they know about us more than we know about them. They speak our language, read our books, watch our movies, tv series, talk shows, they even watch cnn and fox news. They use our software, visit our websites, and most of all they are open to have international friends. Meanwhile they pray and fast, and do all required tasks. We had many debates on various occasions but no one hated me or threatened me in any way. and eventhough - like us - they have some dangerous areas, tough neighborhoods, and even the fanatics and maniacs. But that is not totally different from many gangs, cults, and clans we have. I think that our only flaw is that we do not know them as much as they know us. Something in me hates to admit that maybe, but as one of the commentors pointed out, we do not hear their version of the story. Most of us do not speak their language or read their books, or watch their movies or even have the courage to visit their countries. Many of us, and i know some people, even hate to have muslim friends or even have a chat or debate with any of them. And i truely believe that our hate and misunderstanding is the key element which drives many of them to hate us in return.
Well to give it to you streight, i think both parts lie sometimes with respect to historical events, and after sometime hundreds of versions of the same story comes out, so i believe its no good to take such stuff as solid truth.
I happen to travel around a lot, and i've been to some islamic countries so many times. and i for one who had my fears and doubts, and hate. I still have some of those, but i have to say sometimes we do judge others by our point of view only. for instance before going to some islamic countries i had some frightening ideas and i was about to quit at the last minute. but boy was i surprised. What i saw were somewhat modern cities, with educated people, i did not even see a single camel (stupid me). They have everything we have. And they practice their religeon by the book. in many countries Christians and muslims are friends, they go out together, work together, and even marry in some cases. But that is not what mostly surprised me. What did is that they know about us more than we know about them. They speak our language, read our books, watch our movies, tv series, talk shows, they even watch cnn and fox news. They use our software, visit our websites, and most of all they are open to have international friends. Meanwhile they pray and fast, and do all required tasks. We had many debates on various occasions but no one hated me or threatened me in any way. and eventhough - like us - they have some dangerous areas, tough neighborhoods, and even the fanatics and maniacs. But that is not totally different from many gangs, cults, and clans we have. I think that our only flaw is that we do not know them as much as they know us. Something in me hates to admit that maybe, but as one of the commentors pointed out, we do not hear their version of the story. Most of us do not speak their language or read their books, or watch their movies or even have the courage to visit their countries. Many of us, and i know some people, even hate to have muslim friends or even have a chat or debate with any of them. And i truely believe that our hate and misunderstanding is the key element which drives many of them to hate us in return.
Posted by: Dan.B. at April 02, 2006 04:05 PM (dKe9q)
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Dan B.,
This is your major problem. You are a stooge for Muslim. With the Muslim, it is always someone else's fault. Never Muslim fault that he slaughters millions. They don't believe right, they worship many gods, kill them and destroy their temples.
Who picked on Muslim when he came out of desert? Was he attacked in Arabia or did he attack in Syria, No. Africa, Spain, Anatolia, Persia, Afghanistan, India and I go on and on. It's always kill the unbeliever, kill the infidel, destroy the worshiper of many gods, rape, kill, loot, plunder, and all because that book koran say kill non-believer. No other book says that. What other religion believes that?
No, Dan, you are fool if you believe the Muslim. When they lie to infidel, it is ok in their book, koran. It says to lie, plunder, and kill infidel. Shame on all Muslims. Until they change, they are danger to destroy world. Shame on you, Dan, for helping them.
This is your major problem. You are a stooge for Muslim. With the Muslim, it is always someone else's fault. Never Muslim fault that he slaughters millions. They don't believe right, they worship many gods, kill them and destroy their temples.
Who picked on Muslim when he came out of desert? Was he attacked in Arabia or did he attack in Syria, No. Africa, Spain, Anatolia, Persia, Afghanistan, India and I go on and on. It's always kill the unbeliever, kill the infidel, destroy the worshiper of many gods, rape, kill, loot, plunder, and all because that book koran say kill non-believer. No other book says that. What other religion believes that?
No, Dan, you are fool if you believe the Muslim. When they lie to infidel, it is ok in their book, koran. It says to lie, plunder, and kill infidel. Shame on all Muslims. Until they change, they are danger to destroy world. Shame on you, Dan, for helping them.
Posted by: templar knight at April 02, 2006 06:31 PM (rUyw4)
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Tell you what Steveo you get your ass out there and stop all the stuff you just mentioned and credited to a few crazy nuts or else put a damn big dent in it and I’ll STFU. Otherwise kiss my ass. I think it’s the evil cult doctrine that creates the nuts. Yeah they may be poor and a bit nutty to start with but it takes something else to get them there. They don’t yell, “allahua akbar!†by coincidence! If Islam is the religion of peace it has to be held to standard. Show me! These Arab governments including those we support like Afghanistan and Iraq have to be held to that standard. Show me! Get with it Steveo! I expect a full report when you get that all done.
We can’t give Islam and it’s influence a political pass just because it’s a religion. Tolerance is a good thing not that Islams teaches tolerance much. But tolerance only goes so far. If you really believe in tolerance I think you have to fight intolerance. To tolerate violence and intolerance in the name of tolerance that’s criminal. Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil.
We can’t give Islam and it’s influence a political pass just because it’s a religion. Tolerance is a good thing not that Islams teaches tolerance much. But tolerance only goes so far. If you really believe in tolerance I think you have to fight intolerance. To tolerate violence and intolerance in the name of tolerance that’s criminal. Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil.
Posted by: Howie at April 02, 2006 07:42 PM (D3+20)
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Steevo and to that the bad things in the stevo mentions is just what my fifth grader does. Oh but so and so was so much worse. Christianity does have a violent history but over time the way I see it evil has a way of running inot problems when it come to the words of Jesus Christ. Bad things do happen but over time they are exposed as evil. We become more like Him. Not perfect but look at our blessing vs yours. If this was not gods will how can it be. It must be you are failing to please God. I'm not so sure that if you really compare Muhammads words to the terrorists and others intolerance it would conflict all tht much. How can you move away from it when your "prophet" calls for it. At least christians have an example that over time should lead to peace and not by killing he rest either.
Posted by: Howie at April 02, 2006 08:14 PM (D3+20)
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Steven is merely typical of the brainwashed libtard who is willing to excuse muslim atrocities committed today and tomorrow by referring to something that Christians or even pre-Christians did hundreds or even thousands of years ago. He is a parasite on civilization and should go live with his beloved muslims, where they can train him to blow himself up in the presence of women and children.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 03, 2006 06:53 AM (0yYS2)
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IM, I'm pretty sure he is a Muslim posting under a Christian name. Spreading propaganda is his job. He is probably from India or Malaysia, and is a wanna-be jihadist. That is my opinion.
Posted by: jesusland joe at April 03, 2006 08:06 AM (rUyw4)
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Let me tell you a few things about islam:
1- When muslims used to invade other countries and/or villages, and i mean in the time of the prophet, and when the islamic religeon was spplied in all its aspects, the muslims were not alowed to kill women, children or old people, pluse anyone who was not directly fighting them.
2- the muslims were not allowed to destroy other people's holy places. They did not help in rebuilding any holy places of other religeons but they were not allowed to destroy them or mess with them. And they did not deny people from other religeons to practice their beliefs.
3- In the Hadith and the Quran there are rules to treat the hostages. And muslims are not allowed to humiliate, torture, or kill their hostages. They were asked if they wanted to convert to Islam, and were given the right to choose.
4- The Quran strictly says, that the choice of choosing religeon can't be imposed on anyone, it is the person's choice and his or her choice only.
5- The prophet had Jewish and Christian neighbours, and all stories speak of a good relationship between them.
6- Women used to work, travel, and even fight alongside men if needed. But islam says that women are biologically and psychologically more capable to educating, rasing a family, guiding, thus they are advised to have such chores in life.
7- Islam strictly forbids self termination, or suicide in other words. And the one killing oneself is not considered a muslim. Unless the person is crazy, or lacks the right state of mind to prevent him or hereself from doing that, and/or if the person do not know that this is wrong.
8- The prophet was hit and humiliated from some people, and when his friends asked if they should kill these people, he said no. Maybe someday they would find the right way.
9- Islam says that all other religeons are true and they, like islam are a blessing from God to humanity, but these religeons were changed over time, and many people wrote alongside the true words of got, and that man's words are not perfect so the religeons lost their purity with the passage of time.
10- Islam preaches that muslims should be ready to frighten the nonbelievers in case they threaten islam.
11- Islam says that everyperson has logic and can destenguish right from wrong. No one should be forced to become muslim. But muslims should tell people about their religeon in the most civilized ways, and leave them the choice to decide. Because it is the muslim's job to help others know the truth. and that is a form of love, because when you love someone you would direct them to what you think is best for them.
12- Islam condems any kind of torture to oneself or others, even to one's enemies.
13- Muslims are even preached by the hadith and Quran not to lie, even if it was to their enemies. They are also taught to be honest and stand with the oppressed against the opressor even if the oppressed was a non muslim, and even if they should stand agains another muslim.
14- Islam prohibits muslims from alcohol, any from of drugs, nonmarita sex, and gambling. because these, even if minimally allowed, would affect the society in a while and cause major prolems to people.
15- In islam killing someone else, if not in a battle, or if not prosecuted for a crime, would cause the killer to go to hell.
16- Muslims are taught to help whome ever is in need even if that was a non muslim.
Here is a general view of islam coming form a muslim, born and raised. How can islam be so savage if it preaches such things? And if you would tell me that what i just said was not part of islam or if you said that this was not the general idea, then you are wrong or you do not know what islam really is.
If some maniacs pause as muslims, if they are arabs, or speak arabic, or if they know some verses of the quran, or if they act like they know. Does that indicate that they are muslims. I have many Chrisitan Friends, and i know how christians pray and what they say and, if i go act like a chiristian and kill someone in the name of christianity or if i said that i was defending christianity in some way would that make me a christian, and is the christian religeon to be blamed. If some priests are homosexual or if a priest rapes a nun then kills her, does that mean that christianity preches such stuff?
1- When muslims used to invade other countries and/or villages, and i mean in the time of the prophet, and when the islamic religeon was spplied in all its aspects, the muslims were not alowed to kill women, children or old people, pluse anyone who was not directly fighting them.
2- the muslims were not allowed to destroy other people's holy places. They did not help in rebuilding any holy places of other religeons but they were not allowed to destroy them or mess with them. And they did not deny people from other religeons to practice their beliefs.
3- In the Hadith and the Quran there are rules to treat the hostages. And muslims are not allowed to humiliate, torture, or kill their hostages. They were asked if they wanted to convert to Islam, and were given the right to choose.
4- The Quran strictly says, that the choice of choosing religeon can't be imposed on anyone, it is the person's choice and his or her choice only.
5- The prophet had Jewish and Christian neighbours, and all stories speak of a good relationship between them.
6- Women used to work, travel, and even fight alongside men if needed. But islam says that women are biologically and psychologically more capable to educating, rasing a family, guiding, thus they are advised to have such chores in life.
7- Islam strictly forbids self termination, or suicide in other words. And the one killing oneself is not considered a muslim. Unless the person is crazy, or lacks the right state of mind to prevent him or hereself from doing that, and/or if the person do not know that this is wrong.
8- The prophet was hit and humiliated from some people, and when his friends asked if they should kill these people, he said no. Maybe someday they would find the right way.
9- Islam says that all other religeons are true and they, like islam are a blessing from God to humanity, but these religeons were changed over time, and many people wrote alongside the true words of got, and that man's words are not perfect so the religeons lost their purity with the passage of time.
10- Islam preaches that muslims should be ready to frighten the nonbelievers in case they threaten islam.
11- Islam says that everyperson has logic and can destenguish right from wrong. No one should be forced to become muslim. But muslims should tell people about their religeon in the most civilized ways, and leave them the choice to decide. Because it is the muslim's job to help others know the truth. and that is a form of love, because when you love someone you would direct them to what you think is best for them.
12- Islam condems any kind of torture to oneself or others, even to one's enemies.
13- Muslims are even preached by the hadith and Quran not to lie, even if it was to their enemies. They are also taught to be honest and stand with the oppressed against the opressor even if the oppressed was a non muslim, and even if they should stand agains another muslim.
14- Islam prohibits muslims from alcohol, any from of drugs, nonmarita sex, and gambling. because these, even if minimally allowed, would affect the society in a while and cause major prolems to people.
15- In islam killing someone else, if not in a battle, or if not prosecuted for a crime, would cause the killer to go to hell.
16- Muslims are taught to help whome ever is in need even if that was a non muslim.
Here is a general view of islam coming form a muslim, born and raised. How can islam be so savage if it preaches such things? And if you would tell me that what i just said was not part of islam or if you said that this was not the general idea, then you are wrong or you do not know what islam really is.
If some maniacs pause as muslims, if they are arabs, or speak arabic, or if they know some verses of the quran, or if they act like they know. Does that indicate that they are muslims. I have many Chrisitan Friends, and i know how christians pray and what they say and, if i go act like a chiristian and kill someone in the name of christianity or if i said that i was defending christianity in some way would that make me a christian, and is the christian religeon to be blamed. If some priests are homosexual or if a priest rapes a nun then kills her, does that mean that christianity preches such stuff?
Posted by: Said at April 03, 2006 05:34 PM (dKe9q)
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Said if you notice pissing people off is kind of a theme around here. So excuse me but you arejust tehy guy were looking for. If Islam is all you say and you want to make it seen that way by more people. Personally I would nver consider it cause well above stuff. But you you have the power. You can make it that way. Stop them they shame you more than I. No I cannot belive that most Muslims approve of even slightly the behavior and deeds of terrorists or even the treatment of Christians or others in their home nation. But how am I going to get your attention any other way? Fix it you dropped the ball you tolerate it. Fix it now. Don't leave it all to us to fight and die for your problems. Have no doubt we will but it's your problems and don't give me all the it's the joooooos and the Stinking Drunken Irish Americans. Nope your ass made it now pick it up.
Posted by: Howie at April 03, 2006 08:01 PM (D3+20)
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Have any of you met a muslim?
I've been to Muslim countries (Turkey, Egypt and Malaysia) and I talked to so many Muslims. I am still very good friends with one Muslim man and I talk to him often about Islam and the prejudice against it. Women are seen as precious and fragile and they VALUE all life. Actualy the Islamic belief's are almost identicle to Christianity. Only main differences are that Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet not the sun of god, they pray 5 times a day and onle of the five Pillars of Islam is to give alms.
I know it's hard to know what to believe with the media and politicians being so crammed full of shit but try not to be so prejudice.
Go Steve!
Have any of you met a muslim?
I've been to Muslim countries (Turkey, Egypt and Malaysia) and I talked to so many Muslims. I am still very good friends with one Muslim man and I talk to him often about Islam and the prejudice against it. Women are seen as precious and fragile and they VALUE all life. Actualy the Islamic belief's are almost identicle to Christianity. Only main differences are that Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet not the sun of god, they pray 5 times a day and onle of the five Pillars of Islam is to give alms.
I know it's hard to know what to believe with the media and politicians being so crammed full of shit but try not to be so prejudice.
Go Steve!
Posted by: Resurrected_Dragon at April 04, 2006 03:38 AM (UroH2)
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Neocon pundits malign American Muslims: All faiths must face their demons
These shameless attempts by Gaffney, Mowbary, and Pipes to malign mainstream Muslim organizations and leaders are not driven by rational and objective considerations, but by paranoia, prejudice, and irrational fear of Islam and Muslims, says Louay Safi.
Three militant neocon pundits spoke vehemently against the Bush administration’s gesture to include American Muslim leaders in discussions on how to deal with the rising tide of anti-Americanism and to restore the level of trust and support the United States enjoyed prior to the missteps the administration took under the neocons’ urging.
Frank Gaffney issued a warning to Karen Hughes, the newly appointed Undersecretary of State for Public Diplomacy, demanding that she does not attend the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) Convention. Ignoring the false alarm he set in a recent op-ed piece in the Washington Times, Ms. Hughes met with Muslim leaders and discussed her ideas for bridging the deepening divide between the United States and Muslim countries.
Gaffney told Hughes point bank: “Don’t go there.†Joel Mowbary, another neocon who is apparently more aware of the tactics of misinformation, gave her the benefit of the doubt, allowing her to make one mistake for one time: “Given that it is highly unlikely Hughes knew exactly what she was walking into, she deserves the benefit of the doubt—this timeâ€
Gaffney belongs to a small but vocal group of militant pundits, driven by deep seated hate of Islam and Muslims, and bent on maligning Muslim leaders and organizations in a bid to marginalize and isolate mainstream American Muslims. Gaffney joined two other well known Muslim Bashers, Daniel Pipes and Joel Mowbary, in demonizing ISNA and the leaders of the national Muslim organizations that met Ms. Hughes.
Utilizing several conservative publications, including the Washington Times, the trio levelled serious allegations against mainstream Muslim organizations, accusing them of supporting terrorism and promoting radicalism. Using quotes taken out of context, guilt by association, errors of fact, and innuendo, the group has been active in feeding lies to the public and inciting government officials and law enforcement agencies to conduct investigations, and then use these investigations as a basis for further maligning law-abiding and patriot American Muslims.
Pipes accused , last year, the Center for the Study of Islam and Democracy (CSID) of being “part of the militant Islamist lobby," and contended that it was “well-disguised, and has brought in all the Islamist trends, giving them a patent of respectability."
After conducting a thorough investigation of Pipes’s accusations, the United States Institute of Peace (USIP) issued a statement that brought out the irresponsible nature of Pipes’s attacks. “The Institute was aware of and took seriously the accusations made against CSID and some of the speakers at the event,†Kay King, the director of Congressional and Public Affairs at USIP wrote. “These allegations were investigated carefully with credible private individuals and U.S. government agencies,†she went on, “and found to be without merit. The public criticism of CSID and the speakers was found to be based on quotes taken out of context, guilt by association, errors of fact, and innuendo.â€
Gaffney, likewise, used misinformation and error of fact to justify his demands that the Bush administration isolate the most inclusive and mainstream Muslim convention. He contended, in a recent article, that the Senate Finance Committee “listed ISNA as one of 25 American Muslim organizations that ‘finance terrorism and perpetuate violence.’" He, however, failed to disclose that the Finance Committee never found ISNA guilty of such allegations and that his reference relates to a letter sent by the committee chairman and the ranking member on December 22, 2003, asking the IRS to investigate Muslim charities for possible links to terrorist financing. 18 months have lapsed since February 20, 2004, the deadline set for the investigation, with no action, or even a congressional hearing conducted by the Finance Committee on the matter.
Mowbary, employing the same tactic of half-truths, quotes taken out of context, and innuendo, cited a Freedom House study that found Saudi publications in twelve mosques—out of 3500 throughout the country—that made bigoted references to followers of other religions. What Mowbary omits is the fact that the Freedom House, responding to complaints by American Muslim leaders of the misleading nature of the report title, stressed that their study was intended to uncover the bigotry of the Saudi publications, and was never intended to implicate US mosques. The Freedom House went a step further and invited two of ISNA leaders to a meeting for consultation on its report and to explore the question of religious extremism.
These shameless attempts by Gaffney, Mowbary, and Pipes to malign mainstream Muslim organizations and leaders are not driven by rational and objective considerations, but by paranoia, prejudice, and irrational fear of Islam and Muslims. Such irrational and emotional anti-Muslim postures can only confuse the pubic and confound the fight on terrorism with the fight on Islam, and hence plays to the hands of the anti-American pundits who thrive on the missteps, and counterproductive actions and postures, urged by Gaffney and his ilk.
Mainstream American Muslims have already taken a principled and firm position against the senseless killings of unarmed and defenseless civilians. But their ability to succeed in drying the swamp of extremism that feeds into terrorist attacks can only succeed if the Jewish and Christian communities confront their bigots and extremists, and dry the ponds of bigotry in their midst.
It is heartening to realize that most Americans are able to see through the militant pundits’ paranoia and bigotry, as Karen Hughes has amply demonstrated when she ignored the false alarm they set off on the eve of her meeting with Muslim leaders during ISNA convention.
These shameless attempts by Gaffney, Mowbary, and Pipes to malign mainstream Muslim organizations and leaders are not driven by rational and objective considerations, but by paranoia, prejudice, and irrational fear of Islam and Muslims, says Louay Safi.
Three militant neocon pundits spoke vehemently against the Bush administration’s gesture to include American Muslim leaders in discussions on how to deal with the rising tide of anti-Americanism and to restore the level of trust and support the United States enjoyed prior to the missteps the administration took under the neocons’ urging.
Frank Gaffney issued a warning to Karen Hughes, the newly appointed Undersecretary of State for Public Diplomacy, demanding that she does not attend the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) Convention. Ignoring the false alarm he set in a recent op-ed piece in the Washington Times, Ms. Hughes met with Muslim leaders and discussed her ideas for bridging the deepening divide between the United States and Muslim countries.
Gaffney told Hughes point bank: “Don’t go there.†Joel Mowbary, another neocon who is apparently more aware of the tactics of misinformation, gave her the benefit of the doubt, allowing her to make one mistake for one time: “Given that it is highly unlikely Hughes knew exactly what she was walking into, she deserves the benefit of the doubt—this timeâ€
Gaffney belongs to a small but vocal group of militant pundits, driven by deep seated hate of Islam and Muslims, and bent on maligning Muslim leaders and organizations in a bid to marginalize and isolate mainstream American Muslims. Gaffney joined two other well known Muslim Bashers, Daniel Pipes and Joel Mowbary, in demonizing ISNA and the leaders of the national Muslim organizations that met Ms. Hughes.
Utilizing several conservative publications, including the Washington Times, the trio levelled serious allegations against mainstream Muslim organizations, accusing them of supporting terrorism and promoting radicalism. Using quotes taken out of context, guilt by association, errors of fact, and innuendo, the group has been active in feeding lies to the public and inciting government officials and law enforcement agencies to conduct investigations, and then use these investigations as a basis for further maligning law-abiding and patriot American Muslims.
Pipes accused , last year, the Center for the Study of Islam and Democracy (CSID) of being “part of the militant Islamist lobby," and contended that it was “well-disguised, and has brought in all the Islamist trends, giving them a patent of respectability."
After conducting a thorough investigation of Pipes’s accusations, the United States Institute of Peace (USIP) issued a statement that brought out the irresponsible nature of Pipes’s attacks. “The Institute was aware of and took seriously the accusations made against CSID and some of the speakers at the event,†Kay King, the director of Congressional and Public Affairs at USIP wrote. “These allegations were investigated carefully with credible private individuals and U.S. government agencies,†she went on, “and found to be without merit. The public criticism of CSID and the speakers was found to be based on quotes taken out of context, guilt by association, errors of fact, and innuendo.â€
Gaffney, likewise, used misinformation and error of fact to justify his demands that the Bush administration isolate the most inclusive and mainstream Muslim convention. He contended, in a recent article, that the Senate Finance Committee “listed ISNA as one of 25 American Muslim organizations that ‘finance terrorism and perpetuate violence.’" He, however, failed to disclose that the Finance Committee never found ISNA guilty of such allegations and that his reference relates to a letter sent by the committee chairman and the ranking member on December 22, 2003, asking the IRS to investigate Muslim charities for possible links to terrorist financing. 18 months have lapsed since February 20, 2004, the deadline set for the investigation, with no action, or even a congressional hearing conducted by the Finance Committee on the matter.
Mowbary, employing the same tactic of half-truths, quotes taken out of context, and innuendo, cited a Freedom House study that found Saudi publications in twelve mosques—out of 3500 throughout the country—that made bigoted references to followers of other religions. What Mowbary omits is the fact that the Freedom House, responding to complaints by American Muslim leaders of the misleading nature of the report title, stressed that their study was intended to uncover the bigotry of the Saudi publications, and was never intended to implicate US mosques. The Freedom House went a step further and invited two of ISNA leaders to a meeting for consultation on its report and to explore the question of religious extremism.
These shameless attempts by Gaffney, Mowbary, and Pipes to malign mainstream Muslim organizations and leaders are not driven by rational and objective considerations, but by paranoia, prejudice, and irrational fear of Islam and Muslims. Such irrational and emotional anti-Muslim postures can only confuse the pubic and confound the fight on terrorism with the fight on Islam, and hence plays to the hands of the anti-American pundits who thrive on the missteps, and counterproductive actions and postures, urged by Gaffney and his ilk.
Mainstream American Muslims have already taken a principled and firm position against the senseless killings of unarmed and defenseless civilians. But their ability to succeed in drying the swamp of extremism that feeds into terrorist attacks can only succeed if the Jewish and Christian communities confront their bigots and extremists, and dry the ponds of bigotry in their midst.
It is heartening to realize that most Americans are able to see through the militant pundits’ paranoia and bigotry, as Karen Hughes has amply demonstrated when she ignored the false alarm they set off on the eve of her meeting with Muslim leaders during ISNA convention.
Posted by: Neoconned at April 04, 2006 08:22 PM (zqsRN)
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The above comments are just further proof that the sooner we start hanging the liberals and muslims, the better. I hope the inevitable comes soon, because there are a lot of pissed people right now, and the time is just about right to clean house.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at April 04, 2006 08:36 PM (0yYS2)
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Neoconned obviously disregarded that Muslim verse that forbids the partaking of alcohol and drugs.
Posted by: jesusland joe at April 04, 2006 11:07 PM (rUyw4)
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How "Jewish" Zionists like you Fuel Hostility to Muslims
Flemming Rose, the "cultural editor" of the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten decided to publish 12 provocative and inflammatory cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad - including one in which the Prophet is shown wearing a turban shaped as a bomb with a burning fuse, the International Herald Tribune reported on December 31, 2005.
The Danish newspaper was unprepared for the global furor which was provoked by the cartoons. The offensive cartoons resulted in demonstrations in Kashmir, death threats against the artists, condemnation and rebukes from 11 Muslim countries and the United Nations.
"The cartoons did nothing that transcends the cultural norms of secular Denmark, and this was not a provocation to insult Muslims," Flemming Rose, cultural editor of Jyllands-Posten, Denmark's largest newspaper, said, rather disingenuously.
Rose and the paper have refused to apologize for publishing the drawings.
"But if we talk of freedom of speech, even if it was a provocation, that does not make our right to do it any less legitimate before the law," Rose said in an interview from Miami, where he has fled to escape the publicity after living under police protection in Denmark.
But Rose acknowledges that even his liberalism has its limits. He said he would not publish a cartoon of Israel's Ariel Sharon strangling a Palestinian baby, since that could be construed as "racist." He would, however, publish a cartoon poking fun at Moses or one of Jesus drinking a pint of beer.
Now why would Rose refuse to publish a cartoon depicting Ariel Sharon, a known war-criminal and genocidaire, strangling a Palestinian baby?
Why would such a cartoon, correct and accurate in its depiction, be considered "racist" by Flemming Rose? Sharon has certainly been responsible for the murder of thousands of Palestinians during his time on this planet. He is a well-known war criminal. So, why would an Israeli war criminal be protected by Mr. Rose?
Are we likely to see cartoons in Jyllands-Posten calling into question the force-fed Zionist myth of the Holocaust, which has become the new "Holy Cause" of Europe?
Why should the criminal history of a Zionist leader or outstanding questions about the the Second World War be more protected than the worshipped prophet of one of the world's major religions?
How "Jewish" Zionists like you Fuel Hostility to Muslims
Flemming Rose, the "cultural editor" of the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten decided to publish 12 provocative and inflammatory cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad - including one in which the Prophet is shown wearing a turban shaped as a bomb with a burning fuse, the International Herald Tribune reported on December 31, 2005.
The Danish newspaper was unprepared for the global furor which was provoked by the cartoons. The offensive cartoons resulted in demonstrations in Kashmir, death threats against the artists, condemnation and rebukes from 11 Muslim countries and the United Nations.
"The cartoons did nothing that transcends the cultural norms of secular Denmark, and this was not a provocation to insult Muslims," Flemming Rose, cultural editor of Jyllands-Posten, Denmark's largest newspaper, said, rather disingenuously.
Rose and the paper have refused to apologize for publishing the drawings.
"But if we talk of freedom of speech, even if it was a provocation, that does not make our right to do it any less legitimate before the law," Rose said in an interview from Miami, where he has fled to escape the publicity after living under police protection in Denmark.
But Rose acknowledges that even his liberalism has its limits. He said he would not publish a cartoon of Israel's Ariel Sharon strangling a Palestinian baby, since that could be construed as "racist." He would, however, publish a cartoon poking fun at Moses or one of Jesus drinking a pint of beer.
Now why would Rose refuse to publish a cartoon depicting Ariel Sharon, a known war-criminal and genocidaire, strangling a Palestinian baby?
Why would such a cartoon, correct and accurate in its depiction, be considered "racist" by Flemming Rose? Sharon has certainly been responsible for the murder of thousands of Palestinians during his time on this planet. He is a well-known war criminal. So, why would an Israeli war criminal be protected by Mr. Rose?
Are we likely to see cartoons in Jyllands-Posten calling into question the force-fed Zionist myth of the Holocaust, which has become the new "Holy Cause" of Europe?
Why should the criminal history of a Zionist leader or outstanding questions about the the Second World War be more protected than the worshipped prophet of one of the world's major religions?
Posted by: To retard improbulus at April 05, 2006 06:36 AM (zqsRN)
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Yeah but the Muslims who do value life always cut slack to those who don't. If thine eye offends thee pluck it out!
Posted by: Howie at April 05, 2006 07:34 AM (D3+20)
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Zionist? Hey I don't much think about jooooos. I don't particulary like or dislike jooooos. Just people to me oh and they don't blow me up. I used to argue the palestinian side of the conflict at work all the time. That is until I watched the bastards dance in the streets over 9/11. as Kos says "Screw Em". See now what has UBL done for Islam but bring more suffering to Muslims and more doubt of Islam. Answer = Nothing.
Posted by: Howie at April 05, 2006 07:37 AM (D3+20)
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Retard, good name, because you are retarded. Why do you believe in a Dark Ages cult like islam? Oh, you are retarded, you say so yourself. I forgot.
Posted by: jesusland joe at April 05, 2006 07:32 PM (rUyw4)
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Believe It or Not: You were Born Muslim howie!
What would you call a religion whose beliefs, practices and followers are being bashed and bad-mouthed in practically every sphere of activity, in almost every corner of the globe, yet it attracts ever-increasing numbers of people?
A Paradox? A Miracle ? Or simply, The Truth: Islaam.
The fact that Islaam is the fastest growing religion in the world today, is proof that our Creator has taken it upon Himself to perfect the Truth that He sent all His prophets and messengers with -- from Aadam [AS] to Muhammad [SAW].
Studies conducted in the West show that the sheer number of new Muslims is changing the demographic profile of countries all over the world, and not all of them are born into Muslim families. With some 6 million adherents in the United States, Islam is said to be the nation’s fastest-growing religion. One expert estimates that 25,000 people a year become Muslims in this country; some clerics say they have seen conversion rates quadruple since Sept 11.
Ironically for a religion that is routinely bashed for “subjugating†and “oppressing†its female followers, the number of female reverts to Islaam outnumber the males 4:1!
The fact that more and more people are finding their way to Islaam, notwithstanding the relentless propaganda, deliberate misinformation and outright prejudice against it, never ceases to amaze me.
How do these people navigate in the darkness to find the light of Islaam in spite of all the obstacles in the way?
The answer is that our Creator has granted each one of us a guiding light -- a pure, undefiled innate nature called the fitrah. Unlike Christians who believe in the doctrine of Original Sin and assert that each baby is born tainted with the sin of Adam’s disobedience to God, Muslims believe that every child is born into a state of purity where it recognizes its Creator and is naturally subservient to His laws.
In his book The Fundamentals of Islaamic Monotheism, Abu Ameenah Bilaal Philips writes: Just as a child’s body submits to the physical laws which Allaah has put in nature, its soul also submits naturally to the fact that Allaah is its Lord and Creator. But its parents try to make it follow their own way and the child is not strong enough in the early stages of its life to resist or oppose its parents. The religion which the child follows at this stage is one of custom and upbringing and Allaah does not hold it to account for this religion.
When the child matures in youth and clear proofs of the falsehood of its religion are brought to it, the adult must now follow the religion of knowledge and reason. At this point the devils try their best to encourage him to stay as he is or to go further astray. Evils are made pleasing to him and he must now live in the midst of a struggle between his innate pure nature and his desires in order to find the right road.
If he chooses to follow his innate nature, his fitrah, Allaah will help him overcome his desires even though it may take most of his life to escape, for many people enter Islaam in their old age.
The Qur’aan also points to this phenomenon, where every soul that has been created is asked Who their Lord is, and they testify that it is none other than Allaah before they are born into the world.
When your Lord drew forth from the loins of the children of Aadam their descendants and made them testify concerning themselves. Saying: Am I not your Lord? They said: “Yes, we testify to it.†(This) in case you say on the Day of Judgement, “We were unaware of this.†Or in case you say: It was our ancestors who made partners (with Allaah) and we are only their descendants…[Surah Al-A’raaf 7:172-173]
Explaining this verse, the Prophet [SAW] said: When Allaah created Aadam [AS] , He took a covenant from him …then He extracted from him all of his descendants who would be born until the end of the world, generation after generation and spread them out in front of Him in order to take a covenant from them.
He spoke to them face to face saying: Am I not your Lord? And they all replied: Yes, we testify to it.
Allaah then explained why He had all of mankind bear witness that He was their Creator and the only true God worthy of worship. He said: That was in case you (mankind) should say on the Day of Resurrection, “Surely we were unaware of all this. We had no idea that You were our God.†[Silsilah al ahadeeth as Saheehah, Narrated by ibn Abbaas, collected by Imaam Ahmad]
This is the reason why people who adopt Islaam are said to revert instead of convert, because they are going back to their original nature -- the one they were naturally created with -- which is automatically aligned with the Universe, its Creator and His Laws; as opposed to simply exchanging one set of beliefs for another.
Reverts to Islaam testify that this inner inclination to search for the Truth, to know and follow it is a major factor in their adopting the faith. It is interesting to see some of the reasons cited by reverts for adopting Islaam:
Islaamic Monotheism
“The Christian sect of Athanasians insistently inculcates the tenet that Christianity is based on a belief in three gods (Trinity), that a slightest doubt as to this belief will lead one to immediate perdition; and that a person who wishes to attain salvation in this world and the next should definitely hold a belief in the three gods: God, the Son of God, and the Holy Ghost.
When I became a Muslim, I received a letter, which said: “By becoming a Muslim you have damned yourself to perdition. No one can save you. For you deny the divinity of God.†The poor man [who wrote that letter] thought that I no longer believed in God, not knowing that when Jesus had begun to preach, he stated the unity of God and he never claimed to be His son.
[Lord Headley al-Farooq; British diplomat, engineer]
What would you call a religion whose beliefs, practices and followers are being bashed and bad-mouthed in practically every sphere of activity, in almost every corner of the globe, yet it attracts ever-increasing numbers of people?
A Paradox? A Miracle ? Or simply, The Truth: Islaam.
The fact that Islaam is the fastest growing religion in the world today, is proof that our Creator has taken it upon Himself to perfect the Truth that He sent all His prophets and messengers with -- from Aadam [AS] to Muhammad [SAW].
Studies conducted in the West show that the sheer number of new Muslims is changing the demographic profile of countries all over the world, and not all of them are born into Muslim families. With some 6 million adherents in the United States, Islam is said to be the nation’s fastest-growing religion. One expert estimates that 25,000 people a year become Muslims in this country; some clerics say they have seen conversion rates quadruple since Sept 11.
Ironically for a religion that is routinely bashed for “subjugating†and “oppressing†its female followers, the number of female reverts to Islaam outnumber the males 4:1!
The fact that more and more people are finding their way to Islaam, notwithstanding the relentless propaganda, deliberate misinformation and outright prejudice against it, never ceases to amaze me.
How do these people navigate in the darkness to find the light of Islaam in spite of all the obstacles in the way?
The answer is that our Creator has granted each one of us a guiding light -- a pure, undefiled innate nature called the fitrah. Unlike Christians who believe in the doctrine of Original Sin and assert that each baby is born tainted with the sin of Adam’s disobedience to God, Muslims believe that every child is born into a state of purity where it recognizes its Creator and is naturally subservient to His laws.
In his book The Fundamentals of Islaamic Monotheism, Abu Ameenah Bilaal Philips writes: Just as a child’s body submits to the physical laws which Allaah has put in nature, its soul also submits naturally to the fact that Allaah is its Lord and Creator. But its parents try to make it follow their own way and the child is not strong enough in the early stages of its life to resist or oppose its parents. The religion which the child follows at this stage is one of custom and upbringing and Allaah does not hold it to account for this religion.
When the child matures in youth and clear proofs of the falsehood of its religion are brought to it, the adult must now follow the religion of knowledge and reason. At this point the devils try their best to encourage him to stay as he is or to go further astray. Evils are made pleasing to him and he must now live in the midst of a struggle between his innate pure nature and his desires in order to find the right road.
If he chooses to follow his innate nature, his fitrah, Allaah will help him overcome his desires even though it may take most of his life to escape, for many people enter Islaam in their old age.
The Qur’aan also points to this phenomenon, where every soul that has been created is asked Who their Lord is, and they testify that it is none other than Allaah before they are born into the world.
When your Lord drew forth from the loins of the children of Aadam their descendants and made them testify concerning themselves. Saying: Am I not your Lord? They said: “Yes, we testify to it.†(This) in case you say on the Day of Judgement, “We were unaware of this.†Or in case you say: It was our ancestors who made partners (with Allaah) and we are only their descendants…[Surah Al-A’raaf 7:172-173]
Explaining this verse, the Prophet [SAW] said: When Allaah created Aadam [AS] , He took a covenant from him …then He extracted from him all of his descendants who would be born until the end of the world, generation after generation and spread them out in front of Him in order to take a covenant from them.
He spoke to them face to face saying: Am I not your Lord? And they all replied: Yes, we testify to it.
Allaah then explained why He had all of mankind bear witness that He was their Creator and the only true God worthy of worship. He said: That was in case you (mankind) should say on the Day of Resurrection, “Surely we were unaware of all this. We had no idea that You were our God.†[Silsilah al ahadeeth as Saheehah, Narrated by ibn Abbaas, collected by Imaam Ahmad]
This is the reason why people who adopt Islaam are said to revert instead of convert, because they are going back to their original nature -- the one they were naturally created with -- which is automatically aligned with the Universe, its Creator and His Laws; as opposed to simply exchanging one set of beliefs for another.
Reverts to Islaam testify that this inner inclination to search for the Truth, to know and follow it is a major factor in their adopting the faith. It is interesting to see some of the reasons cited by reverts for adopting Islaam:
Islaamic Monotheism
“The Christian sect of Athanasians insistently inculcates the tenet that Christianity is based on a belief in three gods (Trinity), that a slightest doubt as to this belief will lead one to immediate perdition; and that a person who wishes to attain salvation in this world and the next should definitely hold a belief in the three gods: God, the Son of God, and the Holy Ghost.
When I became a Muslim, I received a letter, which said: “By becoming a Muslim you have damned yourself to perdition. No one can save you. For you deny the divinity of God.†The poor man [who wrote that letter] thought that I no longer believed in God, not knowing that when Jesus had begun to preach, he stated the unity of God and he never claimed to be His son.
[Lord Headley al-Farooq; British diplomat, engineer]
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An answer for every question:
“I would always search for causes and purposes for everything. I would anticipate logical explanations for them. On the other hand, the explanations provided by priests and other Christian men of religion did not satisfy me. Most of the time, instead of giving satisfactory answers to my questions, they would dismiss the matter with evasive prevarications such as, “We cannot understand these things. They are divine secrets†and “They are beyond the grasp of the human mind.â€
Upon this I decided to study, on the one hand, Oriental religions, and on the other hand, books written by famous philosophers. The books written by these philosophers always dealt with such subjects as protoplasms, atoms, molecules, and particles, and did not even touch on reflections such as “What becomes of the human soul?†“Where does the soul go after death?†“How should we discipline our souls in this world?â€
The Islamic religion, on the other hand, treated the human subject not only within the corporeal areas, but also along the spiritual extensions. Therefore, I chose Islam not because I had lost my way, or only because Christianity had incurred my displeasure, or as a result of sudden decision, but, on the contrary, after very minutely studying it and becoming thoroughly convinced about its greatness, singularity, solemnity and perfection
[Muhammad Alexander Russell Webb; American diplomat, author]
Direct relationship with one’s Creator:
Now I realize I can get in direct contact with God, unlike Christianity or any other religion. As one Hindu lady told me, “You don't understand the Hindus. We believe in one God; we use these objects (idols) to merely concentrate.†What she was saying was that in order to reach God, one has to create associates, that are idols for the purpose. But Islam removes all these barriers.
[Yusuf Islaam, formerly Cat Stevens]
Universality:
Islam is a religion that belongs not only to the Arabs but to the entire humanity. This universal quality presents a sharp contrast with the Judaic religion, whose holy book always refers to the God of Israel.
One more thing that I love in Islam is that this religion recognizes all the prophets, makes no distinction between them and treats the believers of other religions with compassion.
[Mahmud Gunnar Ahmad, Swedish Muslim]
Absolute equality before God, extended brotherhood:
There were tens of thousands of pilgrims, from all over the world. They were of all colors, from blue-eyed blondes to black-skinned Africans. But we were all participating in the same ritual, displaying a spirit of unity and brotherhood that my experiences in America had led me to believe never could exist between the white and non-white.
America needs to understand Islam, because this is the one religion that erases from its society the race problem. Throughout my travels in the Muslim world, I have met, talked to, and even eaten with people who in America would have been considered white - but the white attitude was removed from their minds by the religion of Islam. I have never before seen sincere and true brotherhood practiced by all colors together, irrespective of their color.
You may be shocked by these words coming from me. But on this pilgrimage, what I have seen, and experienced, has forced me to rearrange much of my thought-patterns previously held, and to toss aside some of my previous conclusions. This was not too difficult for me. Despite my firm convictions, I have always been a man who tries to face facts, and to accept the reality of life as new experience and new knowledge unfolds it. I have always kept an open mind, which is necessary to the flexibility that must go hand in hand with every form of intelligent search for truth.
During the past eleven days here in the Muslim world, I have eaten from the same plate, drunk from the same glass, and slept on the same rug - while praying to the same God - with fellow Muslims, whose eyes were the bluest of blue, whose hair was the blondest of blond, and whose skin was the whitest of white. And in the words and in the deeds of the white Muslims, I felt the same sincerity that I felt among the black African Muslims of Nigeria, Sudan and Ghana. We were truly all the same (brothers) - because their belief in one God had removed the white from their minds, the white from their behavior, and the white from their attitude.
[Letter written from Makkah, by Malcolm X]
“I would always search for causes and purposes for everything. I would anticipate logical explanations for them. On the other hand, the explanations provided by priests and other Christian men of religion did not satisfy me. Most of the time, instead of giving satisfactory answers to my questions, they would dismiss the matter with evasive prevarications such as, “We cannot understand these things. They are divine secrets†and “They are beyond the grasp of the human mind.â€
Upon this I decided to study, on the one hand, Oriental religions, and on the other hand, books written by famous philosophers. The books written by these philosophers always dealt with such subjects as protoplasms, atoms, molecules, and particles, and did not even touch on reflections such as “What becomes of the human soul?†“Where does the soul go after death?†“How should we discipline our souls in this world?â€
The Islamic religion, on the other hand, treated the human subject not only within the corporeal areas, but also along the spiritual extensions. Therefore, I chose Islam not because I had lost my way, or only because Christianity had incurred my displeasure, or as a result of sudden decision, but, on the contrary, after very minutely studying it and becoming thoroughly convinced about its greatness, singularity, solemnity and perfection
[Muhammad Alexander Russell Webb; American diplomat, author]
Direct relationship with one’s Creator:
Now I realize I can get in direct contact with God, unlike Christianity or any other religion. As one Hindu lady told me, “You don't understand the Hindus. We believe in one God; we use these objects (idols) to merely concentrate.†What she was saying was that in order to reach God, one has to create associates, that are idols for the purpose. But Islam removes all these barriers.
[Yusuf Islaam, formerly Cat Stevens]
Universality:
Islam is a religion that belongs not only to the Arabs but to the entire humanity. This universal quality presents a sharp contrast with the Judaic religion, whose holy book always refers to the God of Israel.
One more thing that I love in Islam is that this religion recognizes all the prophets, makes no distinction between them and treats the believers of other religions with compassion.
[Mahmud Gunnar Ahmad, Swedish Muslim]
Absolute equality before God, extended brotherhood:
There were tens of thousands of pilgrims, from all over the world. They were of all colors, from blue-eyed blondes to black-skinned Africans. But we were all participating in the same ritual, displaying a spirit of unity and brotherhood that my experiences in America had led me to believe never could exist between the white and non-white.
America needs to understand Islam, because this is the one religion that erases from its society the race problem. Throughout my travels in the Muslim world, I have met, talked to, and even eaten with people who in America would have been considered white - but the white attitude was removed from their minds by the religion of Islam. I have never before seen sincere and true brotherhood practiced by all colors together, irrespective of their color.
You may be shocked by these words coming from me. But on this pilgrimage, what I have seen, and experienced, has forced me to rearrange much of my thought-patterns previously held, and to toss aside some of my previous conclusions. This was not too difficult for me. Despite my firm convictions, I have always been a man who tries to face facts, and to accept the reality of life as new experience and new knowledge unfolds it. I have always kept an open mind, which is necessary to the flexibility that must go hand in hand with every form of intelligent search for truth.
During the past eleven days here in the Muslim world, I have eaten from the same plate, drunk from the same glass, and slept on the same rug - while praying to the same God - with fellow Muslims, whose eyes were the bluest of blue, whose hair was the blondest of blond, and whose skin was the whitest of white. And in the words and in the deeds of the white Muslims, I felt the same sincerity that I felt among the black African Muslims of Nigeria, Sudan and Ghana. We were truly all the same (brothers) - because their belief in one God had removed the white from their minds, the white from their behavior, and the white from their attitude.
[Letter written from Makkah, by Malcolm X]
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Belief in the Qur’aan as Divine Revelation:
I read as much of the Qur’aan as I could. I was immersed in it. As I read the verses in English, I repeated to myself over and over again, this is what I have always thought and believed. What kind of book was this? Before long I was reading the book and crying, and reading and crying... it was as if something had overtaken me... I forgot what I was looking for in particular, however when I came upon the verses in Surah Baqarah 122-141 regarding Prophet Ibrahim (AS) I had found my answer.
I had been searching for Isma'il (as), son of Prophet Ibrahim and his wife Hajarah, who had been missing from the Hebrew brothers story. In those verses I found the truth of religion... They say: Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (to salvation). Say thou: Nay! (I would rather) the religion of Abraham the True, and he joined not gods with Allah. Say ye: We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) the Prophets from their Lord; We make no difference between one another of them: and we submit to Allah." (2:135-136) As I continued to read and cry, I became intent upon finding someone who could connect me with others who believed in this book!
[K H Abdul Lateef, USA]
The personal example of the Prophet Muhammad [SAW]:
I accepted Islam because I admired the Prophet Muhammad.[SAW]. I had quite a number of Muslim friends in Zanzibar, who gave me Islamic books, which I read in secrecy from my family. I became a Muslim despite the remonstrances of my family and the oppressions of the priests of Parsee religion, which had been my religion until that time. I held fast to my religion and resisted against all sorts of threats. Now I love Allaah and His last Prophet Muhammad [SAW] more than my life
[Faruq B Karai, Zanzibar]
Islaam withstands scrutiny and encourages reasoning:
Instead of asking a follower to believe in its precepts just â€because†or someone asks them to, Islaam encourages people to think for themselves, reflect on the signs of God in Creation and within their own selves. Little wonder then that a sizable number of reverts are thinking people: scientists, astronomers, philosophers, doctors.
As created beings who can neither grant life nor ward off death, we owe it to ourselves and The One Who Created Us to discover the Truth, to follow it and to facilitate others to do the same.
I read as much of the Qur’aan as I could. I was immersed in it. As I read the verses in English, I repeated to myself over and over again, this is what I have always thought and believed. What kind of book was this? Before long I was reading the book and crying, and reading and crying... it was as if something had overtaken me... I forgot what I was looking for in particular, however when I came upon the verses in Surah Baqarah 122-141 regarding Prophet Ibrahim (AS) I had found my answer.
I had been searching for Isma'il (as), son of Prophet Ibrahim and his wife Hajarah, who had been missing from the Hebrew brothers story. In those verses I found the truth of religion... They say: Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (to salvation). Say thou: Nay! (I would rather) the religion of Abraham the True, and he joined not gods with Allah. Say ye: We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) the Prophets from their Lord; We make no difference between one another of them: and we submit to Allah." (2:135-136) As I continued to read and cry, I became intent upon finding someone who could connect me with others who believed in this book!
[K H Abdul Lateef, USA]
The personal example of the Prophet Muhammad [SAW]:
I accepted Islam because I admired the Prophet Muhammad.[SAW]. I had quite a number of Muslim friends in Zanzibar, who gave me Islamic books, which I read in secrecy from my family. I became a Muslim despite the remonstrances of my family and the oppressions of the priests of Parsee religion, which had been my religion until that time. I held fast to my religion and resisted against all sorts of threats. Now I love Allaah and His last Prophet Muhammad [SAW] more than my life
[Faruq B Karai, Zanzibar]
Islaam withstands scrutiny and encourages reasoning:
Instead of asking a follower to believe in its precepts just â€because†or someone asks them to, Islaam encourages people to think for themselves, reflect on the signs of God in Creation and within their own selves. Little wonder then that a sizable number of reverts are thinking people: scientists, astronomers, philosophers, doctors.
As created beings who can neither grant life nor ward off death, we owe it to ourselves and The One Who Created Us to discover the Truth, to follow it and to facilitate others to do the same.
Posted by: HOWIE again at April 06, 2006 02:53 PM (zqsRN)
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Direct relationship with one’s Creator:
Now I realize I can get in direct contact with God, unlike Christianity or any other religion. As one Hindu lady told me, “You don't understand the Hindus. We believe in one God; we use these objects (idols) to merely concentrate.†What she was saying was that in order to reach God, one has to create associates, that are idols for the purpose. But Islam removes all these barriers.
[Yusuf Islaam, formerly Cat Stevens]
Universality:
Islam is a religion that belongs not only to the Arabs but to the entire humanity. This universal quality presents a sharp contrast with the Judaic religion, whose holy book always refers to the God of Israel.
One more thing that I love in Islam is that this religion recognizes all the prophets, makes no distinction between them and treats the believers of other religions with compassion.
[Mahmud Gunnar Ahmad, Swedish Muslim]
Now I realize I can get in direct contact with God, unlike Christianity or any other religion. As one Hindu lady told me, “You don't understand the Hindus. We believe in one God; we use these objects (idols) to merely concentrate.†What she was saying was that in order to reach God, one has to create associates, that are idols for the purpose. But Islam removes all these barriers.
[Yusuf Islaam, formerly Cat Stevens]
Universality:
Islam is a religion that belongs not only to the Arabs but to the entire humanity. This universal quality presents a sharp contrast with the Judaic religion, whose holy book always refers to the God of Israel.
One more thing that I love in Islam is that this religion recognizes all the prophets, makes no distinction between them and treats the believers of other religions with compassion.
[Mahmud Gunnar Ahmad, Swedish Muslim]
Posted by: howie it keeps on happening deel with it at April 06, 2006 03:03 PM (zqsRN)
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It's happejing reminds me of a Jihadi website I used to see out there. So I find "it's happening to be a slogan."
Deal with it we shall. Now you deal with the consequences we put upon Islam if it cannot police itself.
Deal with it we shall. Now you deal with the consequences we put upon Islam if it cannot police itself.
Posted by: Howie at April 11, 2006 12:02 PM (D3+20)
February 20, 2006
University of Illinois Editors in Hot Water(update).
The University of Illinois’ editor in chief and one other editor have been suspended over publication of the controversial Muhammed cartoons after the rest of the staff goes soft on them. The Daily Illini has taken down the web posting of the original editorial, but thanks to the wonders of the Google cache, we can see the original.
Updated : 02/20/06 : Peoriapundit has published the University of ILL Daily Illini paper's new blog policy.
Hat Tip : Instapundit. more...
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Makes perfect sense. U Ill has a large muslim minority student population, and there are significant numbers of muslims through-out the area and state. They would be upset and get angry.
It would be relatively easy for some to simply aquire firearms, go on campus, and execute (selectively or indiscriminately) fellow students and teaching staff.
Also, security at campuses is relatively weak - a dedicated (an offended) muslim student (or otherwise) could easily assemble explosive materials and deliver a bomb to say the Admin building, or Library or Student Cafeteria etc. killing dozens if not hundreds of young (and potentially important) people.
Makes perfect sense to me. ALLAH AKBAR!
It would be relatively easy for some to simply aquire firearms, go on campus, and execute (selectively or indiscriminately) fellow students and teaching staff.
Also, security at campuses is relatively weak - a dedicated (an offended) muslim student (or otherwise) could easily assemble explosive materials and deliver a bomb to say the Admin building, or Library or Student Cafeteria etc. killing dozens if not hundreds of young (and potentially important) people.
Makes perfect sense to me. ALLAH AKBAR!
Posted by: hondo at February 17, 2006 01:19 PM (fyKFC)
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I love the "Stop...Stop...We ran out of virgins" cartoon 
Doesn't this make sense to everyone? Afterall it's fine to dump the bible in a jar of piss and call it art. But let's kill everyone who draws Mohamed the pedaphile!!!
Doesn't this make sense to everyone? Afterall it's fine to dump the bible in a jar of piss and call it art. But let's kill everyone who draws Mohamed the pedaphile!!!
Posted by: joey at February 17, 2006 01:51 PM (DkQ4u)
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All the cartoons are rather tame compared to the filth that MUSLIM PUBLICATIONS in the Middle East routinely run on Jews and Christians. This entire controversy has nothing to do with respect for Islam, but everything to do with the power of Islam to silence its critics.
Wake up, America, before it is too late. The more you give in to these people, the more you reward their threats of violence. Rewarding threats of violence breeds violence.
Wake up, America, before it is too late. The more you give in to these people, the more you reward their threats of violence. Rewarding threats of violence breeds violence.
Posted by: jesusland joe at February 17, 2006 03:26 PM (rUyw4)
Posted by: hondo at February 17, 2006 03:41 PM (fyKFC)
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Muslims and liberals need to be killed off.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 17, 2006 04:50 PM (0yYS2)
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Liberals at their usial dirty work making is so only liberals can be heard
Posted by: sandpiper at February 19, 2006 10:26 PM (stdEd)
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Yeah sandpiper, but it ain't gonna work no more, because of this newfangled intarweb thang. Heh.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 20, 2006 04:06 PM (0yYS2)
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I thought the rules were pretty harsh, so just to get em up here where we can see what policies may be in the future. Not good. They may have been suggested before but I saw this link had em spelled out.
Posted by: Howie at February 20, 2006 07:45 PM (D3+20)
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One would think that the self-appointed champions of a free press would not run and hide so easily.
What militant Islam wants, militant Islam gets.
What militant Islam wants, militant Islam gets.
Posted by: Mark at February 26, 2006 02:44 AM (9by0x)
December 02, 2005
You Killed Santa & Jesus You Bastard
I got this from a highly conservative deeply Christian nice lady who for some reason has a lot of pull with Howie.
Survey Proves Retailers Banning ChristmasI thought you would be interested in a survey we did. We gathered advertising inserts from 11 different companies placed in two papers on Nov. 27 (Northeast Mississippi Daily Journal and Memphis Commercial Appeal.) Combined, the inserts totaled 280 pages.
Of the 11 companies, only one—McRae's/Belks—had a reference to "Christmas." They mentioned "Christmas" only two times. The other 10 companies did not mention "Christmas" a single time! While refusing to use "Christmas," they used the term "holiday" a total of 59 times in their 10 inserts.
The companies which refused to mention Christmas a single time in their 260 pages of insert promotions were Target, Kroger, Office Max, Walgreens, Sears, Staples, Lowe's, J.C. Penney, Dell and Best Buy.
Ask these companies why they banned "Christmas" in their in-store promotions and retail advertising and they will tell you they didn't want to offend anyone. They mean, of course, anyone except Christians.
These retailers are willing to use Christmas to secure about 20% of their yearly sales, but they absolutely refuse to mention the Reason for the season.
To see what we can achieve by working together, read the statement from Federated Stores. We boycotted them last year. Click here to see how they have changed.
Please sign our petition below. We are writing every national retailer which bans "Christmas" asking them to change their policy and letting them know how many have signed the petition. Thus far we have nearly 350,000. Our goal is 1,000,000. It is urgent that you sign the petition and forward it to your friends and family. We need numbers so that the national retailers will take notice!If we will stick together and take action, next year we will see scores of retailers recognizing "Christmas" as a Christian holy day instead of a secular "holiday".
Please click here to sign our petition now!
Sincerely,Don
Donald E. Wildmon, Founder and Chairman
American Family Association
Others Supporting Christmas as the birthday of Jesus Christ (uh I thought that’s what it is). Chris Short Here and CC Here.
Hat Tip: Aunt Frannie.
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Thanks for the link to the petition. Signed it and linked to it on my blog.
Posted by: thirdee at December 02, 2005 09:44 AM (yu9rw)
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I will vote with my checkbook.
Hey Sears, Our dishwasher just died and we will be shopping for a new one this weekend (BUMMER). Hint, the new one will be a Christmas dishwasher not a holiday dishwasher.
I think this campaign is getting some legs. The Today show had O'Riley on yesterday about this subject. I think it's about time a few of us Christians started getting a little more offended. I’m not going to get in anyone’s face about this, just be a little more selective where I spend my money.
I will vote with my checkbook.
Hey Sears, Our dishwasher just died and we will be shopping for a new one this weekend (BUMMER). Hint, the new one will be a Christmas dishwasher not a holiday dishwasher.
I think this campaign is getting some legs. The Today show had O'Riley on yesterday about this subject. I think it's about time a few of us Christians started getting a little more offended. I’m not going to get in anyone’s face about this, just be a little more selective where I spend my money.
Posted by: Brad at December 02, 2005 09:55 AM (6mUkl)
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My apoligies in advance to my Aunt for the title she does have a sense of humor but I'm sure she would consisder the title a bit over the line as doe snot watch SP.
Posted by: Howie at December 02, 2005 09:59 AM (D3+20)
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I guess I won't be buying my next laptop at Best Buy.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 02, 2005 10:19 AM (8e/V4)
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I have for a number of years been attempting to cut down on the volume of my Christmas shopping and directing my spending to other and smaller stores that celebrate Christmas (or at least respect me).
Last year I was 100% successful with one mom & pop country gift shop getting the bulk of my business.
I do this for 2 reasons -
1) to get away at least a bit from the secular materialistic orientated "holiday" that has developed since the end of WW2
2) to keep it in the "family" ( the Christian family). I don't celebrate "Happy" (I don't even know what it is!). I don't acknowledge "holiday". To those who do I politely smile and walk away.
Last year I was 100% successful with one mom & pop country gift shop getting the bulk of my business.
I do this for 2 reasons -
1) to get away at least a bit from the secular materialistic orientated "holiday" that has developed since the end of WW2
2) to keep it in the "family" ( the Christian family). I don't celebrate "Happy" (I don't even know what it is!). I don't acknowledge "holiday". To those who do I politely smile and walk away.
Posted by: hondo at December 02, 2005 10:37 AM (Jvmry)
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A Christmas Tree Story - i don't know if it is true - (it could be an urban NYC legend)
A father and son sold Christmas trees for years from a location on the upper East Side of Manhattan (ultra-liberal).
The son was a college student and devised a little social experiment and convinced his reluctant father to go along.
On their lot, they separated the trees into 2 groups - Christmas and holiday trees. They decorated both areas with 2 themes - one clearly Christian (nativity scene, angels etc.), the other clearly secular (Frosty, snowflakes etc). The labeled each tree accordingly and ... devised 2 different pricing schemes - holiday trees were 20-25% more. (They were all the same and fine trees).
The son then recorded the interests and purchases.
Some were confused, some asked, a few thought it was some kind of scam (they were probably originally from Brooklyn), most however simply gravitated to a particular group.
The holiday trees sold like "hot cakes"! When they started to run short father an son simply changed the labels and moved Christmas trees to the other secular side.
It was a great season for them - virually all trees were sold.
What to draw from this conclusion? Who knows? It was however a very Merry and profitable Christmas for the father and son. Dad's best in years no less!
A father and son sold Christmas trees for years from a location on the upper East Side of Manhattan (ultra-liberal).
The son was a college student and devised a little social experiment and convinced his reluctant father to go along.
On their lot, they separated the trees into 2 groups - Christmas and holiday trees. They decorated both areas with 2 themes - one clearly Christian (nativity scene, angels etc.), the other clearly secular (Frosty, snowflakes etc). The labeled each tree accordingly and ... devised 2 different pricing schemes - holiday trees were 20-25% more. (They were all the same and fine trees).
The son then recorded the interests and purchases.
Some were confused, some asked, a few thought it was some kind of scam (they were probably originally from Brooklyn), most however simply gravitated to a particular group.
The holiday trees sold like "hot cakes"! When they started to run short father an son simply changed the labels and moved Christmas trees to the other secular side.
It was a great season for them - virually all trees were sold.
What to draw from this conclusion? Who knows? It was however a very Merry and profitable Christmas for the father and son. Dad's best in years no less!
Posted by: hondo at December 02, 2005 11:02 AM (Jvmry)
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"Survey Proves Retailers Banning Christmas"
Even foxnews refers to it as holiday. Referring of course to the etymology of hte word: holy day.
Even foxnews refers to it as holiday. Referring of course to the etymology of hte word: holy day.
Posted by: actus at December 02, 2005 12:37 PM (CqheE)
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I've signed that one and a few others for the American Family Association. They keep me posted by email. Even Bill O'Reilly has made comment on his show about the work of the AFA in regards to the ACLU.
Thanks for posting that item,
Michael
Thanks for posting that item,
Michael
Posted by: Michael at December 02, 2005 12:37 PM (MPBlH)
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Michael (hey great name) Since you brought up ACLU the ICLU indiana CLU won a suit yesterday to stop prayer as part of the Indiana House of Rep procedure and banned the mention of Jesus or his title (didn't say Lord, Savior or King) as part of prayers becuase 4 people were offended and filed suit. Ok ILL was part on Indianna until 1818. Indiana had been having an invocation prayer since it's founding.
Posted by: Howie at December 02, 2005 01:03 PM (D3+20)
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Hey, I know how we can solve this, all of us who believe in Our Lord Jesus Christ and feel that we are being persecuted in our own land, hey let's just move somewhere that we can set up our own country that is based on a firm belief in GOD, so we can worship freely without interference from government or anyone else. We can be accepting of others viewpoints but insist that if they want to stay, that they can't change our way of life but have to accept it, they don't have to embrace it, just accept us as who we are, but if it offends them they should just move along somewhere else.......... OH WAIT, didn't we do that for awhile already, man I coulda swore it was working pretty well too, WHAT HAPPENED?????? Okay you all know the answer to that one, but here's A solution.
TO ALL OF THOSE WHO DON'T LIKE IT HERE... LEAVE, TO ALL OF THOSE WHO WANT TO TURN US AMERICANS INTO A BUNCH OF EURO-WUSSIES... LEAVE. AMERICA, LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT
TO ALL OF THOSE WHO DON'T LIKE IT HERE... LEAVE, TO ALL OF THOSE WHO WANT TO TURN US AMERICANS INTO A BUNCH OF EURO-WUSSIES... LEAVE. AMERICA, LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT
Posted by: memphis761 at December 02, 2005 02:46 PM (D3+20)
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 02, 2005 03:40 PM (rUyw4)
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jesusland joe, sorry for the ranting dude. What I was trying to get at was .... this country was founded by a belief in GOD, and FREEDOM OF, NOT FROM, Religion. Our country's founding beliefs and values are being chipped away at. Those who are offended by our core beliefs should go somewhere else.
Posted by: memphis761 at December 02, 2005 04:27 PM (D3+20)
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 02, 2005 06:59 PM (rUyw4)
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These asshole companies just lost my business. And I'm not even a Christian.
But I would like to thank all Christians for Christmas.
But I would like to thank all Christians for Christmas.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 02, 2005 07:54 PM (OvTKg)
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Merry Christmas to everyone from the resident atheist.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 02, 2005 08:28 PM (0yYS2)
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Christians are offended that Christmas isn't metioned?
I fear a new breed of political correctness here.
'Holiday' comes from 'holy day'. The word isn't as secular as we think.
Instead of getting all offended-that-you-said-happy-Holidays-instead-of-Merry-Christmas, how about smiling and accepting their well-wishes?
Also, these companies are businesses. They are gonna do whatever profits them the most.
Besides, I want to keep shopping at Target.
I fear a new breed of political correctness here.
'Holiday' comes from 'holy day'. The word isn't as secular as we think.
Instead of getting all offended-that-you-said-happy-Holidays-instead-of-Merry-Christmas, how about smiling and accepting their well-wishes?
Also, these companies are businesses. They are gonna do whatever profits them the most.
Besides, I want to keep shopping at Target.
Posted by: Norbert_the_gnome at December 02, 2005 08:54 PM (/40mF)
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Haven't been to Target in 3 years.
I'm curious Norbert - Target decided some time back to ban the Salvation Army, their Bell ringers and Santa Clauses from their property - why do you think they did that? Were they scaring away customers and decreasing profits?
I'm curious Norbert - Target decided some time back to ban the Salvation Army, their Bell ringers and Santa Clauses from their property - why do you think they did that? Were they scaring away customers and decreasing profits?
Posted by: hondo at December 02, 2005 09:12 PM (Jvmry)
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Agent Jones says Merry Christmas to all.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 02, 2005 10:57 PM (Y5zcg)
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Greg, here is one thing we can agree on.
Posted by: Brad at December 03, 2005 01:31 AM (6mUkl)
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Greg the commie shouldn't be referring to Christmas.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 04, 2005 07:46 AM (gvOyZ)
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Perhaps if the muslim animals had Christmas they would behave like people instead of Animals.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 04, 2005 07:47 AM (gvOyZ)
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You guys are not "christians", you are retards. Its a little like christianity, but instead, Bill O'Riley is your messiah. This is America, every religion is welcome, even retards.
Posted by: Joe at December 05, 2005 10:42 AM (oe/r6)
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Hondo:
Target had a policy about not letting charities stand in front of their stores and solicit donations.
Yes, the decision hurt Target but they were still violating their own policy by allowing the bell ringers but not the Girl Scouts.
From stories I heard from a friend who worked at Target, and are not as uncharitable as one would think. They organized toy donation drives and do donate to community organizations. I can't remember the exact numbers, but I think they donate about 5% of their profits.
Target had a policy about not letting charities stand in front of their stores and solicit donations.
Yes, the decision hurt Target but they were still violating their own policy by allowing the bell ringers but not the Girl Scouts.
From stories I heard from a friend who worked at Target, and are not as uncharitable as one would think. They organized toy donation drives and do donate to community organizations. I can't remember the exact numbers, but I think they donate about 5% of their profits.
Posted by: Norbert_the_gnome at December 05, 2005 01:22 PM (QPnrn)
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Joe the leftard retard says that all religions are welcome here. Regardless the what their message and actions are.
Where in the hell did the silly shit get that idea. America was never intended to be a save haven for gutter religions that believe in killing others for their beliefs. Where the hell to these idiots get that idea? Certainly not what our founding fathers had in mind.
Where in the hell did the silly shit get that idea. America was never intended to be a save haven for gutter religions that believe in killing others for their beliefs. Where the hell to these idiots get that idea? Certainly not what our founding fathers had in mind.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 06, 2005 05:17 PM (JHIKU)
December 01, 2005
On the Approaching Celebratory Weeks
Seeing the various levels of rancor regarding the Chrismahanakwanzaka season, I would like to present my peaceful solution, or my own Oslo Accords if you will. Alright, maybe not the best analogy. Or maybe the best. We live in an uncertain, postmodern time. Got that, buddy? Sorry, I need to calm down a bit.
Anyway, my prosposal is a classic standby. Festivus is truly a holiday for the rest of us, and by rest of us I mean all of us, right now. Here is a video that explains the spirit of the season. Festivus has a rich tradition beyond that of Seinfeld, though most of you are likely too ignorant to understand that. OK, OK, I am sorry about that last one. My Airing of Grievances is getting ahead of me. Please understand that lashing into others and the world about how they have disappointed me gives me more pleasure than you can imagine. And how do I know? Well, because one year, my family celebrated Festivus. What follows is a cautionary tale of anger, redemption, and triumph. more...
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In the name of GAOTU, Agent Jones declares that everyone get a bunch of bananas on January 12.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 02, 2005 06:29 AM (fLJDr)
November 10, 2005
The New Red Crystal
Next month, representatives from 192 signatories to the Geneva Conventions are scheduled to meet to discuss adding a new emblem to represent the Red Cross and Red Crescent organizations. The new emblem is called the "Red Crystal."
Red Cross - Red Crescent - Red Crystal
The Swiss government is attempting to introduce the new emblem for use by national groups that reject the current Red Cross or Red Crescent. The Red Crystal would have no national, religious, or cultural connotations.
Red Cross - Red Crescent - Red Crystal
The Swiss government is attempting to introduce the new emblem for use by national groups that reject the current Red Cross or Red Crescent. The Red Crystal would have no national, religious, or cultural connotations.
If adopted, it's believed the new emblem would also clear the way for Israel's membership. However, despite the good intentions of the Swiss, I'm convinced that Israel's membership won't occur easily and without controversy.
All that said, my thinking is that the new emblem looks more like a red square or a red diamond, not a red crystal.
[Update 11/11/05]
Interestingly, the geniuses in Geneva might want to consider the fact that the 'Red Crystal' is already being used as a firing range target. Sporting the 'Red Crystal' emblem in the confusion of battle could be a problem.
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They're spending money for a meeting this size (192 countries represented) for this????
Posted by: hondo at November 11, 2005 01:06 AM (Jvmry)
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Just put everyone under red "cross". It's just a +, not a â€Â
Posted by: A Finn at November 11, 2005 02:35 AM (cWMi4)
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As a lifelong practising Crystaldelphian I strongly object to this blatant misappropriation of our Holy Crystal symbol.
Posted by: Warner at November 11, 2005 03:30 AM (AqxHg)
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Good point, hondo. Did you read the part: "Eritrea has had long and difficult discussions on whether to choose the cross or the crescent,...."
Whew! Long and difficult? Eritrea has much bigger problems to discuss than that.
Now everyone has to change their stationery.
Whew! Long and difficult? Eritrea has much bigger problems to discuss than that.
Now everyone has to change their stationery.
Posted by: Oyster at November 11, 2005 05:10 AM (YudAC)
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I wouldn't be suprised if that crappy looking "red crystal" was designed by a delegate's 5 year old on the back of a TGI Friday's napkin.
If the Israelis do have to adopt it to join, the high contrast white center of the crystal gives the terrorists a convenient x-ring of sorts to group their shots in. I guess a red bullseye was considered, but was rejected for being too obvious.
If the Israelis do have to adopt it to join, the high contrast white center of the crystal gives the terrorists a convenient x-ring of sorts to group their shots in. I guess a red bullseye was considered, but was rejected for being too obvious.
Posted by: Graeme at November 11, 2005 06:05 AM (ZKZ0y)
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Maybe it's not too politically astute to call it the red square:-)
Posted by: Mrs Aginoth at November 11, 2005 08:01 AM (cZrVc)
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Hey, at least they didn't choose the Red Star, which I find utterly surprising.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 11, 2005 12:19 PM (0yYS2)
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Red Square is close enough!
Posted by: slickdpdx at November 11, 2005 01:28 PM (MjGRu)
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It's called going butts up to the wogs.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 15, 2005 02:06 PM (ZaAd/)
October 24, 2005
PC Gone MAD
What is it about today? In keeping with today’s theme of stuff that’s just too stupid to believe.
Now Major league Baseball is upset with new ads for milk.
Yahoo News:The latest "Got Milk?" commercial hit a little too close to home for Major League Baseball. Poking fun at the league's steroid scandal, the television ad for the California Milk Processor Board talks about a player getting pulled from a game "after testing positive for a performance-enhancing substance."
No eating if you enjoy it.
Imummb twobin boo swtuwfmm mua fawce mwusph owf uwpthet thombomby.
Classical Values:Worst of all from this point of view are those more uncivilized forms of eating, like licking an ice cream cone... This doglike feeding, if one must engage in it, ought to be kept from public view,
War on Christmas.
FOXNEWS:No Santa, no Christmas carols, no red and green, no merry Christmas. It's not illegal, though amateur constitutional lawyers in positions of local power often think separation of church and state requires them to ban or banish Christmas. They are wrong.
In another striking example of tolerance see last weeks riot against Christians in Egypt were a young follower of the religion of Peace stabs a nun. Don’t you feel like a big man now you stabbed a Nun.
BBC:On Wednesday, a Muslim man stabbed a nun in protest at the sale of a DVD of the play, staged at the church in 2003
Hat Tip IOERR
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Copts remained the majority in Egypt for centuries after the 7th Century conquest of the country by Muslim armies.
Nowadays, they complain of discrimination in the workplace, restrictions on church construction and periodic fears that Christians are being forced to convert by Islamic extremists.
but can they still use piggy banks, and keep winnie the pooh, and piglet on display?
Nowadays, they complain of discrimination in the workplace, restrictions on church construction and periodic fears that Christians are being forced to convert by Islamic extremists.
but can they still use piggy banks, and keep winnie the pooh, and piglet on display?
Posted by: dave at October 24, 2005 05:45 PM (CcXvt)
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Yeah and the CALFORNIA DAIRY COUNCIL being sued by those jerks at PETA over the HAPPY COW ads it prove that only a real jerk would have anything to do with PETA and the PC nonsense
Posted by: sandpiper at October 24, 2005 08:54 PM (swaoX)
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It's not about 'being forced to convert', it's not that bad, but as a religious minority, life isn't always easy for them either. The latest on the Alexandria riots: http://missmabrouk.blogspot.com
Posted by: Ritzy Mabrouk at October 25, 2005 05:38 AM (MN+RL)
October 14, 2005
Politically Correct Homecoming
(St. Cloud, Minnesota) In order to exhibit appropriate diversity and tolerance, St. Cloud State University (SCSU) has eliminated the selection and crowning of a homecoming king and queen. Henceforth, SCSU students will vote for homecoming 'royalty' consisting of two gender non-specific people. [As an aside, it's not absolutely clear that the homecoming royalty has to be human.]
The change will prevent a recurrence of the confusion experienced last year when a male student, Fue Khang, was selected as queen of the homecoming celebration. It would be embarrassing to have another Fue Khang queen.
SCSU has traditions and history dating back over 130 years and part of that past is the yearly homecoming celebration. Sadly, without a king and queen, homecoming will never be the same. Chalk up a victory for political correctness which has successfully attacked another tradition and forced SCSU, as an institution, to reject a part of its history.
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PC continues to attack every institution in this country, regardless of how benign it is, undermining the very fabric of who we are at every level.
Posted by: Oyster at October 14, 2005 06:39 AM (YudAC)
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The madness continues unabated! It will only end when conservatives decide to go back into the education profession in greater numbers.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 14, 2005 10:02 AM (rUyw4)
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Good God Girdy,How stupid can we get?
Posted by: Howie at October 14, 2005 10:50 AM (D3+20)
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Every time I say liberals need to all be taken out and shot, it sounds a little less crazy, doesn't it?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 14, 2005 11:05 AM (0yYS2)
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IM,
I agree. Just make them take one last stroll into an open field and put them out of our misery.
I agree. Just make them take one last stroll into an open field and put them out of our misery.
Posted by: Carlos at October 14, 2005 12:07 PM (8e/V4)
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I await the day with giddy anticipation.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 14, 2005 03:08 PM (0yYS2)
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Politcal correctness is so damn stupid i mean it so rediclous when they do with as not to offend some whinning jackasses i mean how long will it be before they demand we replace the BALD EAGLE with a dumb pink chicken or have THE AGE OF AQUARIUS as our national anthem or replace old glory witht he stupid rainbow flag of the gays and eco-freaks
Posted by: sandpiper at October 14, 2005 05:14 PM (AQZCQ)
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Not long sandpiper, not long at all.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 15, 2005 07:04 PM (0yYS2)
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My dad's solution for all sickos......dig a trench.......and shoot the bastards! He was in the Navy 20 years during WWII. The more I think about his solution...the more I agree with it!
Posted by: rumoret at October 16, 2005 11:05 PM (Y1HQm)
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