1 He can play his fiddle, but will the muslims dance to the tune?

2 I imagine one would be hard pressed to find an American politician or public figure that has the courage to say the truth about islam.  

The truth being that islam is a death cult, not a religion.  

The truth being that islam is evil and needs to be removed from Earth, asap.

The collective spine of the Civilized World has been broken by the PC police.. and fear.

I wish I were wrong.

3 Well I hope he looks good in tar and feathers, because he committed the most cardinal of sins - he spoke the truth.

4 I was amazed when I read what Lord Stevens said. The first person with any power at all here to say what needs to be said. I am watching El BBC right now and there is some other ex policeman person, he is saying we shouldnt be searching 80 year old white women at the airport, he says that young asian/black men and women should be targeted for searches rather than the rest of the population that obviously are not a threat. Everyone is screaming racism etc that it will alienate more muslims. How much more alienated can they be?

Also the letter from the muslim council of britain to Blair was fantastic, finally the moderates have layed their cards on the table and shown themselves to be the other side of the same terrorist coin. That letter they wrote has instantly undone 30/40 years of taqiyya, brilliant.

Reading a few of the Sunday papers yesterday I could actually discern a big change in the way this nation is feeling about the muslim problem. People here are finally waking up, not a moment too soon either. The police have said they are investigating another 30 MAJOR conspiracies and that we WILL be bombed soon. When they do murder some more innocents here I think that might be the moment when this country actually does switch totally to demonise the muslims mode. Sooner the better but its shocking that we have to wait for them to kill us before anyone understands the threat they present. The murder of more innocents isnt inevitable like the top cop keeps spouting, internment would stop the threat, putting the traitors in some nice big camps up in the windy highlands of scotland would soon dampen their murderous ardour. I read a comment somewhere about prison ships anchored in the North Sea, that is a fricking fantastic idea, best I have heard for a long time.

5 Just another form of taqiyya.

6 IF I were him I would start wearing full body armor with a steel neck wrap. btw, I'm starting a new political group: Muslim Organization Of New Believers Against Terror. You got it: MOONBAT.

I'm the only member so far. Probably always will be.

7 I like the MOONBAT idea.  Have many of you, like me, been waiting to see a massive demonstration by Muslims who are citizens of Australia, Canada, England, France, the Netherlands, the United States and other Western democracies AGAINST radical Islamic/Muslim terrorists? 

Millions of Muslims  immigrated to Western democracies to escape the limitations of their homelands.  When will Muslims thank the democracies who welcomed them by demonstating -- bare-faced -- against criminal terrorist groups like Hezbollah, Hamas, Al-Qaeda & cohorts?


IMHO not demonstrating against Radical Islamic/Muslim terrorists thus conveys Muslim citizens of democracies support terrorist actions by Radical Islamic/Muslim terrorists. 
Canada does not need citizens who support by silence.

Coventina

8 It's hard for a muslim to complain (to other muslims) when they have a knife to your throat. The reason for their silence is that they have been terrorized by each other.

9 The same time that the NYTs tell 100% truth and the sametime CINDY SHEEHAN decides her protest is rediclous and she gose home

10 It's hard for a muslim to complain (to other muslims) when they have a knife to your throat. The reason for their silence is that they have been terrorized by each other.
 
That's a valid point, and it is understandable. Therefore, if "moderate" muslims are not willing to stand against the extremists around them, they should have no problem with the government and law enforcement agencies taking broad action to root out the undesirables - in short, profiling. Profiling at key points can increase the odds of catching threats and yet does not compromise their annonymity.
The fact is, they can't have it both ways. They can't claim to be patriotic members of a society that is under constant threat and that their religion has been hijacked while refusing to do anything, actively or even passively about it.

11 Graeme: I should have written (One) reason is.........

The truth is that all muslims are sympathetic to violence done on their behalf; "moderate" muslims are simply those that haven't advanced very far in islam and terror....YET.

12 I knew where you were coming n.a. palm and that you were just presenting a fact. I wasn't knocking you.

13 Oh, and regarding the original question: Never. Islam cannot grow without war, and terrorism is the only kind of war that muslims can wage to any effect. Islam will be at war until the last muslim is dead.

14 Jonn Stevens's comments on Islamic terrorism are another demonstration of ignoring British and western culpability to terrorism. Such outbursts ignore the basic law that says: for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. This law is not just limited to balls that we throw on the walls, but also for social justice and whole bunch of things that matter to us daily. Fortunately for bigots like Stevens, the reaction from the Muslim world has been rather mellowed; they have been on the receiving end for decades.

To refresh Stevens’s amnesia: Wasn't it the Great Britain that played the most important role to create the pariah state of Israel, which has been killing and annexing, oppressing and sabotaging peace in the Middle East for the last six decades? Didn’t the UK play a key role incite violence against Muslims in places like Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan? Weren’t British forces caught red-handed with materials for putting IEDs inside Iraq to start the sectarian war between various ethnic groups? Doesn’t Blair’s UK and neocon-controlled USA -- benefit from such civil wars to further divide the country in fulfillment of the goals set up by the PNAC and other projects? Does the UK continue to victimize Muslims throughout the world through her Veto power in the UN and crimes like aiding in state-terrorism for Israel? Didn't UK try to prolong the massacre of Muslims in Lebanon in the latest invasion by its partner in crime - Israel? The answer to all these questions is: Yes.

So, when someone like Mr. Stevens cries foul about (allegations of) Brit Muslim youths trying to vent their anger allegedly through wrong ways, why should civilized people around the world feel surprised? As a former colonizer, with her dirty tricks and aggression against vast majority of the third world, why should Stevens be oblivious of Newton’s 3rd law of motion? Only a moron who has no sense of history, and stooped in racism and bigotry can hope that for his crimes, the victims and their sympathizers would suffer from amnesia. No, they don't, not that easily anyway. This is not to say that Muslims encourage terrorism, but only to point out that voices of reason and moderation among Muslim population have long been effectively silenced through Blair-Bush’s war crimes against Muslim population. It is these two war criminals who through their criminal actions are responsible for dehumanizing the Muslim population and creating the germinating fields for would-be terrorists who want to retaliate for their crimes against humanity.

So, only when Stevens and his holier-than-thou friends, with so much of power that the world has hardly seen before, can talk about Jewish terrorism, Christian terrorism, Hindu terrorism, Sikh terrorism, Buddhist terrorism, state terrorism of the western nations including its pet project – Israel, etc., and can implement ‘real’ ways to remove such curses from our lives, conscientious people around the globe would take them seriously. Otherwise, such bigoted remarks fool no one; only unmasks naked bigotry and racism. Nothing else, Stevens!

15 No Britain was forced out.  And just how did the Jooos end up in Europe anyway.  Must have been all that nice hospitality the Muslims always blow on and on about. 
 
You are aspecially interested in your view but ignore your own responsibility.  Then if we try and help you we are the "oppressors". 
 
Your hatred of Jews unmasks your racism. 

16 Habib: One who moves to another country (because his sucks) and complains, whines, murders is merely bringing the root cause of why his country sucks with him. That cause is Islam. All muslims are not terrorists but all terrorists are muslim. I think all muslims are not terrorists but cheer for the terrorists. Making them just as evil. Racist? Yes, Just like you. Your people are inferior. Inferior because of your cruelity, believe in an isane religion.Added by the fact that you offer nothing to the world except violence and suffering. Your people invent nothing, build nothing and create nothing. True parasites. In Africa, Asia, Europe, America virually all pain and suffering are caused (in the vast majority) because of your gutter religion.
Doesn't matter the country. Put a bunch muslims in it and you have problems.

And here is the kicker. Do you dumb assed middle eastern types think that the rest of the world will continue to let you murder. You are committing suicide and too stupid to know it. At some point, the majority will come to the conclusion that Islam just isn't worth having in this world. We will then destroy Islam and the world will address more important problems. Like mosquito control.
Don't pull the racist bit anymore. We know that you asses just pretend its all religion. Your silly, cruel, dirty, backward, barbaric race is more the problem than your ridiculous religion. And quit using the white man's English. Use your own.

17 Greyrooster is spot on. I bet Habib enjoys western vices and lives a hypocritical life, as do most muslims in the west. They know our society is better than theirs and always will be, because their religion is a primitive one, designed for fools to follow and die for.

18 Hibib,

You write like a moon god worshipper. STFU!

19 muslims DO encourage terrorism by the very fact that muslims do not condemn it.  "Moderate" muslims aid and abed "extremist" muslims.. (harboring and giving aid to the enemy).  In plain english, this make most if not all muslims "the enemy" of the free world.

Thanks for playing.  have a nice day.

I wonder when the rest of the world will grow tired of muslim bullshit and start letting them know they are not welcome in the USA..

20 Another thing that people seem to overlook:  a "religion" is not a race, ergo, it isnt racism when stating disgust and hatred for a religion.  Those who moan on about being racially persecuted, imo, usually are the ones who ARE the racists to begin with.

Some people are under the foolish impression that islam is a religion.. muslims worship a meteorite.. they think its ok to kill anyone (including children) who are not muslim (and even some that are). 

It is my firm belief that islam is not a religion, but a cult, as Ive said before.. a cult of death.. no different than jim jones.

I really think that islam should not be afforded any "religious freedom" under the laws of this land.  No religion?  no freedom to practice it.

In short, the practicioners of islam are an abomination to civilization and to everything good and decent.  And the world will be soooo much better off when islam is whiped off the map.

21 It seems that entire musllim world is in denial !
India has experienced tremendous effects of islamic terrorism which has been justified as religious duty, freedom movement and that it is the figment of imagination...for many years UK and West in general has supported perprators of violence for short term political convenience and only when it knocked their doors and crushed them that they arte now seeking answers from muslim world.The fact is the whole religious orientation of muslims all over the world is moving fast towards jihadism whose main factory is Pakistan, whose main financiers are Saudis, Kuwaitis and UAE etc and whose dogs of war are common people of islamic society and it looks like that no one in muslim world is takiing any responsibility !
To their mind violence is justified by dishing out excuses such as poverty, discrimination, alienation and that their own religion and society are paragon of virtue and victim of unfair propoganda.When liberaal countries of Europe offer them a freedom for development they misuse the resources of these societies and behave like camle's head in sand.
Going by history it seems that muslim societies would keep on creating trouble and go on blaming the victims rather than reform themselves and make fit for civilised societies. I know I will be showered with criticism by so many but would they do something about it ? forget it...it seem s that they are hell bent on making enemies with jews, christians , hindus and buddhists etc. Let us hope they are not the ones who would start third world war by displying intellectual honesty and not hide behind the smoke screen

22 Actually, World War III started some time ago. Recently there has been a phase shift and the tides are turning. Muslims are a dieing breed and are on their way out. It is now time to build the future with Christ at the head!  ;-)    ( Last gasp Larry postulate #L8 ) Hope I'm right!

23 ?I think none of you understand the problem.
the source of the problem goes back 1000's of years... its hards to simplify...but here goes...
the jews were taken into Palestine as refugess and given a place to stay . they took over the
land... imprisoned the Palestine people to useless pieces of land... terrorise and kill and rape
and mame them every day... and we are to simply watch this...the Americans are strong with
weapons of all sorts ... but nothing is as strong and the will to fight for what is yours. the
Muslims will never demonstrate... we are unified ... the American government is being
influenced by big Jewish businessmen in America to get their ends met in Israel... and the
Americans get what they want... energy... America is starving in this respect or hasn?t anybody
noticed who?s pocketing the extra dollars the world is being billed for the oil. (Yes before the
Iraq war oil=$35 / barrel and now with little bush in control... $75 barrel (there is no shortage
... Iraq alone has enough oil for the whole world for the next 100 years, leaving iran , lebon,
and the rest of the middle east countries... and that my educated frends is a fact! ) ...In all your
knowledge ....look at the facts... America wants energy...Israel wants holy land ... no where
else in the world will America dare set foot or spend a money as they did in Iraq unless of
course there is oil in its soil to pay for the bills...example n Korea...the Americans will never
take them on...the costs are too much...USA cannot afford it or rather will NOT ...its not a
viable business option...just let the Chinese be your puppets and stir up rivalry between china
and Korea to get what the USA wants...to be in power and in control of the world... well
good luck to the American and British governments and civilians if you think that we are just
going to watch you kill us and steal our wealth from as... well dream on......but I will give lord
Stevens what he wants... a bold statement renouncing terrorism..."I AM A MUSLIM AND I
DO NOT SUPPORT TERRORISM...LITTLE BUSH SHOULD BE JAILED TOGETHER WITH HIS
PUPPET TONY"

PS. I DO NOT REPRESENT ANY ORGANISATION LIKE THE HEZBOLLAH , HAMAS
OR BIN LADEN , AL QAUEDA , BUT I CAN PROMISE THE WORLD THIS ON
BEHALF OF THESE ORGANISATIONS... THE DAY THE LAST AMERICAN LEAVES
ARABIAN SOIL IS THE DAY THE WORLD WILL BE AT PEACE... AND THIS I CAN
GUARANTEE.
World peace = the Indian government withdrawing from Muslim owned Kashmir...
=the Israeli government withdrawing from Muslim owned Palestine...
= Americans getting out off ?gas? rich Afghanistan
= Americans getting out of ?oil?rich? Iraq

24 Muslims did not exist when the Jews entered the promised land.  The land given them by God.  They took it by conquest.  Note that Muslims only believe conquest is correct if it was they who are taking land by violence. 
 
I still don't get the idea that the Joooos have anything to do with enery as they don't have any oil. 
 
Peacekeeper has been brainwashed by the False Prophet.  Another thing if the Americans and British left who would pump the oil your nations get the money from? Everyone knows that if not for us it would still be in the gound because ya'll ar too stupid nad lazy to extract it yourselves.  I know becuase several people I know work im the ME to get the oil out.  They tried hiring arab hands to work the rigs.  Waste of time. as workers they suck.

25 Yes we are powerful by God's blessing.  Look what we have done in 200 years.  You have had thousands and still live in a shit hole.  If praying to that box is so effective why are you not in our postition? All your weath comes from trade with us.  Without our dollars the ME is just a crossroads for the rest of the world. Some of your nations have done well this way.  The ones ruled by people with half a brain. But mostly the rest of you take a crap in the streets and blame everyone else for the smell.  It is easier to blame the jooooos and the americans other than face the fact your made your own bed.  Ya'll are all for advancement right up until you find out it takes hard work.  In early America if you did not work hard you died.  We work circles around you.  It's your nation get off your ass and pick up damn shovel.

26 I know Muslims will have to deal with the so called "Islamic" terrorism. But, this is not our problem, it is a problem created by the West. West has created it through establishment of Israel, which is expanding by the way of century long genocide against Palestine people. West has created it in Afghanistan and Pakistan to fight communist bogy. West has created it by overthrowing the elected government of Iran and patronizing dictators like Reza Shah, Saudi King, Mubarak, etc. West has reenergized it invading Iraq and Lebanon. As long as Dr Evil’s “Min Me” is getting away with genocide against Palestine, there will be no end to this terrorism.

I tell you, leave us alone. Leave Middle Est. We can fight the Islamic fundamentalism. But as long as the triangle of fascism (America, Britain, Israel) keeps exporting Western values this is an impossible battle. Remember, Mussolini invaded Africa to export European values, the “triangle of neo-fascism” invaded Iraq, Lebanon, Afghanistan to export Western values.

27 There they go again.
 
 
It is your problem and if you don't deal with it we will.  You go out there and condemn it sort of and then trun right around and defend them by projecting the blame.  Freedom and independence are great concepts for those who are ready for it.  for those who aren't well maybe they need a bit of parenting.  You sound like a school kid, "My bad grades are because the teacher is unfair".
 
Idiot

28 Zakaria: Stick around. At last a muslim who we can work with for mutual benefit. There are two sides to everything.
Please one thing at a time. My question is. How do you think our response should have been after Muslims killed 3000 of our people at the world trade center? Remember, we invaded no one after the first attempt years earlier. Should we have sent Al Queda valentines?
I await your answer.

29 i agree with zakariya... and so do 4 billion Muslims worldwide...(half the population).
if the Muslims really wanted to we can end this in a instant... but the fact is ...we love
peace...our holy book teaches us peace...but for the record our patience is wearing thin... so
look out guys .... every time a Muslim dies ... the world is getting closer to the truth...and
soon ...very soon the American and British would have to find somewhere else to test their
weapons and find another way to make energy... as far as being stupid is concerned ... we
gave the American everything they got... the digit "0" , cures for sickness and helped
financially as well (yes , we gave money ...or did someone forget to mention that 20years ago
Iraq was a 1st world country.. being a Donar to the united nations ... yes a DONOR). BUT
THANKS TO THE AMERICANS QUEST FOR ENERGY THE SLOWLY CRIPPLED
THE COUNTRY OVER A PERIOD OF 15 YEARS AND THEN WENT TO
WAR...COWARDS.) NOW THE IRAQIS ARE RECEIVERS AND NOT DONORS...THEY
WOULD NEVER HAVE TAKEN ON IRAQ 20YEARS AGO AS THEY WOULD NEVER
TAKE ON N.KOREA NOW. BUT WATCH AND LISTEN TO THE NEWS IN COMING
DAYS AND FOLLOW THE PATH THE USA HAS TAKEN TO RESOLVE THE
N.KOREAN CRISIS...YES HISTORY IS REPEATING ITSELF... SANCTIONS WILL
CRIPPLE THE N.KOREANS...AND WHEN ITS SAFE TO DO SO THE USA WILL
WALK IN AND CLAIM VICTORY AND GET CREDIT FOR SAVING THE
WORLD...THE ONLY THING THEY ARE DOING IS SAVING THEIR OWN ARSE ...
AND THE REST OF THE WORLD IS THEIR PLAYGROUND TO TEST WEAPONS OF
MASS DESTRUCTION THAT THEY HAVE BUT THE REST OF THE WORLD CAN'T)
OR BY THE WAY IF THE AMERICANS ARE SO BRILLIANT ...WHY DID THEY
HAVE TO USE OSAMA BIN LADEN (EX CIA) TO TOPPLE THE SUPERPOWER
RUSSIA... YES THEY WERE SCARED ...AND IT IS A TACTIC THEY HAVE LONG
USED AND WITH SUCCESS I MUST ADMIT) BUT NOT FOR LONG ....RUSSIA
WENT DOWN WITH BIN LADEN ...THEN THE AMERICANS TURNED ON HIM...
CHINA AND JAPEN WILL PUT PRESSURE ON N.KOREA...BUT BEFORE LONG THE
CHINESE AND JAPS WILL BE BACKSTABBED...OR HAS THE WORLD FORGOT
JAPAN AND WHO DROPPED THE FIRST NUCLEAR BOMB THERE. AMERICA IS
DESTROYING OUR WORLD... AND THE MOMENT ANOTHER COUNTRY IS ON ITS
WAY UP... THEY QUICKLY CUT THEM DOWN ... THIS BECAUSE THEY NEED TO
REMAIN IN POWER... THE DAYS WHEN THE RUSSIANS WHERE THE OTHER
SUPERPOWER THE AMERICANS WHEN AS QUITE AS MICE... SLOWLY WORKING
THEIR MAGIC BETWEEN COUNTRIES CREATING WARS TO THEIR OWN
BENEFIT... THE IS NOT A SINGLE WAS AFTER 2000 THAT THE AMERICANS ARE
NOT INVOLVED IN... COME ON GUYS ADMIT IT... THE ARABS ARE CURRENTLY
THE NUMBER 1 THREAT TO THE AMERICAN AND THAT’S ONLY BECAUSE THE
MIDDLE EAST HAS WHAT THE AMERICANS NEED...OIL! AND IF THE MIDDLE
EAST REALISES THIS THEN THE AMERICAN WILL HAVE ANOTHER SUPER
POWER TO DEAL WITH ... AND THEY CANNOT AFFORD THAT... IF THE 56
MUSLIM STATES OF THE WORLD UNIFY UNDER 1 FLAG... THAT’S IT FOR
USA...BY THE WAY I LOVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ...ALL MUSLIMS DO ... WE
JUST HATE THE POLICIES AND RULERS. POOR AMERICANS ... YOU ARE SO
BRAINWASHED THINKING THAT WE ARE KILLING INNOCENT CIVILIANS TO
FIGHT A CAUSE... ISRAEL KILLED OVER 2 THOUSAND CIVILIANS IN THEIR
LAST INVASION (USING AMERICAN WEAPONS) FOR THEIR CAUSE ... AND THAT
CAUSE IS TO DISMANTLE ANY THREAT THAT WILL FORCE THEM STOP
PERSECUTING THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. WHAT DOES THE "CIVILISED
WORLD" DO.... NOTHING...
GO CHECK YOUR HISTORY BOOKS... THERE WAS NO ISRAEL .... WE (THE
ARABS) TOOK THEM IN UNDER OUR CARE . WE TOOK CARE OF THEM AFTER
WORLD WAR 2. THEY ARE THEY ONLY NATION IN THE WORLD WITHOUT A
PLACE TO CALL HOME...

OR BY THE WAY... AS FAR AS THE ARABS BEING LAZY...IN MY COUNTRY ...
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE LEAVING HOME TO WORK IN SAUDI, DUBAI,
IRAQ AND SO ON...BECAUSE THE ARABS PAY SO MUCH... I MEAN IF THE
ARABS ARE BLESS WITH OIL AND THEY USE IT TO BECOME a 1ST world
COUNTRY ... SO WHAT... ITS THEIR OIL ...THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY
WANT WITH ... THE ONLY REASON THE AMERICANS ARE WORKING IN THE
HOT DESERT PUMPING THE OIL WHILE THE ARABS RECLINE ON COUCHES OF
LUXURY IS BECAUSE THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT CANNOT OFFER THOSE
WORKERS ANY BETTER.. HA HA HA .... LOL

LAST BUT NOT LEAST .... IF ALL THE ARABS IN THE MIDDLE EAST HAVE TO
TAKE A PISS IN THE DIRECTION OF ISRAEL ....THE JOOS WILL DROWN... YEAH
... not even a weapon is required to destroy this cursed nation. Which HITLER STARTED ...
AND WE WILL FINISH IF PUSHED FAR ENOUGH. DO TAKE THE LAID BACK
ATTITUDE OF THE ARAB WORLD LEADER (56 IN TOTAL) AS A SIGN OF
SECURITY ... THEY TAP THEIR FEET GENTLY... WAITING...

ZAKARIYA WELL DONE ... insha allah the enemy will be defeated ...i just hope im around
when the Americans crumble like the ROMAN EMPIRE ... AMERICA WILL FALL.

30 Peacekeeper: Strange name for an Islamotard. 4 million muslims. Ha, Ha, Ha, You show how much of an idiot you are.
Keep on mother fucker, keep on. And we will show you how few muslimes are left.

31 hey rooster ... read again 4 billion...and growing stronger by the day....Seeing that you and
most Americans don’t have much of a response when we prove with FACTS and not
PROPAGANDER tools , that USA is to be blamed for world chaos... I have a
suggestion...LETS WAIT FOR JESUS (ISSA) TO COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN TO
FINALISE THIS UNFINISHED BATTLE... AND WHEN EVERY MUSLIM FOLLOWS
JESUS IN THIS LAST BATTLE, WHICH THEY HAVE TO ISLAMIC LAW...THE
ENEMY WILL BE EVENTUALLY DEFEATED!
YOU SEE MY FRIEND YOU DON’T KNOW THE FACTS...YOU DON’T KNOW YOUR
HISTORY ...AND YOU GO WITH WHAT CNN AND BBC IS PAID TO TRANSMIT
(PROPAGANDA TOOL) ... I KNOW YOU ARE INTELLIGENT... I URGE YOU , NO
DARE YOU, TO COMPARE THE TORAH(JEWS) THE BIBLE (CHRISTIANS) AND
THE QURAAN (MUSLIM) AND YOU WILL SEE A TIME LINE ALL THAT
SEPERATES US IS A TIMELINE OF REVELATION...BUT THERE IS ONLY ONE
GOD! AS FAR AS ANCIENT RELIGIONS ARE CONCERNED CHRISTIANITY
(WHICH MOST IF NOT ALL DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENTS ARE BASED ON) IS
FAR "OLDER" (2006 YEARS TO BE PRECISE) THAN ISLAM(1400 YEARS) .
HOWEVER THE BIBLE HAS BEEN TAMPERED WITH AND HENCE HAS NO VALUE
TODAY... BUT THE BIBLE THAT JESUS REVEALED IS TRUE IN EVERY SENSE OF
THE WORD... THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS (CULTURES THAT ARE FAR MORE
OLDER THAT ISLAM ) HAVE THEIR DIFFERENCES TOO. THE JEWS ARE STILL
WAITING FOR JESUS TO ARRIVE (YOU SEE THEM A WALL IN PALESTINE
SHAKING THEIR HEADS , pleading for his arrival ,) WHILE THE CHRISTIANS AND
MUSLIMS BELIEVE HE CAME AND WENT AND WILL COME DOWN AGAIN. BUT
YOU DON’T SEE THE CHRISTIANS AND JEWS GOING AGAINST EACH OTHER IN
GOING TO WAR. WHY? MAYBE THE JEWS DON’T HAVE OIL...LOL! CAUSE
THAT’S WHAT THE BOTTOM LINE IS. THE JEWS, CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS
ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO THIS EARTH AND NO1 IS GOING TO BE WIPED OUT...
THAT I PROMISE... JESUS , MY PROPHET OF GOD WILL SETTLE THIS... AND IT
WILL BE MY HONOUR TO FIGHT SIDE BY SIDE WITH HIM IN THE FINAL
BATTLE OF GOOD OVER EVIL. OH BY THE WAY... NO MUSLIM CAN CALL
HIMSELF A MUSLIM IF THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN THIS. 1 LAST PIECE OF
EVIDENCE ... MY FRIEND...U KNOW THE PROPHET MOHAMMEDS
GRAVE...THERE’S AN UNFILLED GRAVE NEXT TO IT ......IT IS THE GRAVE OF
JESUS... JESUS WILL COME DOWN AND ALL MUSLIMS WILL JOIN HIM IN THE
FINAL BATTLE. JESUS WILL DIE IN THIS BATTLE (AS GOD HAS PROMISED
THAT EVERY LIVING SOUL SHALL TASTE DEATH) AND JESUS WILL BE BURIED
NEXT TO PROPHET MOHAMMED.... NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE THIS... IS
HAS BEEN WRITTEN DOWN IN ALL RELIGIOUS SCRIPTURES FROM THE TIME
OF THE TORAH TO THE TO THE BIBLE TO THE FINAL TESTAMENT THE
QURAAN AND IT WILL HAPPEN THIS WAY....NO 1 IS GOING TO CHANGE
THIS...THE WAR WILL BE OVER WHEN ALL MUSLIMS UNITE... AND THEN WHEN
JESUS COME DOWN ...THE JEWS CHRISTIANS AND THE MUSLIMS WILL
FOLLOW HIM INTO BATTLE TO CONQUER EVIL. SO WHAT IS THE EVIL THEN ...
THAT MY FREND WE WILL COVER IN ANOTHER CHAPTER...TILL THEN ILL
PRAY FOR YOU AND YOU FELLOW MEN TO BE ENLIGHTEDENED...TO THE
TRUTH....OH YES ....THAT REMINDS ME .. THE NEW POPE ....RECENTLY(ABOUT
A MONTH AGO) SAID ON SATELLITE TV CONCERNING THE PROBLEMS IN THE
WORLD, AND I QUOTE “THE WORLD IS NOT READY FOR THE TRUTH”...MAKES
YOU THINK ON WHO IS REALLY BEING BRAINWASHED HEY...

32 ?The de-Zionisation of the American mind

Wednesday August 16 2006 11:58:59 AM BDT

By Jean Bricmont

It is true that a change in the US policy with respect to the Israel-Palestine conflict would
change nothing about traditional imperialism ?? the United States would still support
traditional elites everywhere, and press countries to provide a ?favourable investment
climate?.But the conflict in the Middle East, involving Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Palestine,
has all the aspects of a religious war ?? with Islam on one side and Zionism as a secular
Western religion on the other. And wars of religion tend to be the most brutal and
uncontrollable of all wars. What is at stake in the de-Zionisation of the American mind is not
only the fate of the unfortunate inhabitants of Palestine but also unspeakable miseries for the
people of that region and maybe of the rest of the world. The ultimate irony in all this is that
the fate of much of the world depends of the American people exercising their right to
self-determination, which, of course, they should, writes Jean Bricmont

Americans are constantly told that they have to defend themselves against people who ?hate
them?, but without understanding why they are hated. Is the cause our secular democracy?
Our appetite for oil? There are lots of democracies in the world that are far more secular than
the United States (Sweden, France ...) and lots of places that want to buy oil at the best
possible price (China) without arousing any noticeable hatred in the Middle East.

Of course, it is true that, throughout the Third World, Americans and Europeans are often
considered arrogant and are not particularly liked. But the level of hatred that leads a large
number of people to applaud an event like September 11 is peculiar to the Middle East.
Indeed, the main political significance of September 11 did not derive from the number of
people killed or even the spectacular achievement of the attackers, but from the fact that the
attack was popular in large parts of the Middle East. That much was understood by American
leaders and infuriated them. Such a level of hatred calls for explanation.

And there can be only one explanation: United States support for Israel. It is indeed Israel that
is the main object of hatred, for reasons we shall describe, but since the United States
uncritically supports Israel on almost every issue, constantly praises it as ?the only democracy
in the Middle East? and provides its main financial backing, the result is a ?transfer? of hatred.

The racist basis of Israel

Why is Israel so hated? The constant stalling of ?peace plans? in favour of more settlements ??
and more war aggravates that hatred ?? but the basic cause lies in the very principles on which
that state is built. There are basically two arguments that have justified establishing the State
of Israel in Palestine: one is that God gave that land to the Jews, and the other is the
Holocaust. The first one is deeply insulting to people who are profoundly religious, like most
Arabs, but of another creed. And, for the second, it amounts to making people pay for a crime
that they did not commit.

Both arguments are deeply racist, with their claim that it is right for Jews, and only Jews, to
set up a state in a land that would obviously be Arab, like Jordan or Lebanon, if not for the
slow Zionist invasion. This is illustrated by the ?law of return?: any Jew, anywhere, having no
connection with Palestine whatsoever, and not suffering from the slightest persecution, can, if
he so wishes, emigrate to Israel and easily become a citizen, while the inhabitants who fled in
1948, or their children, cannot. Add to that the fact that a city claimed to be Holy by three
religions has become the ?eternal capital of the Jewish people? (and only them) and one should
start to understand the rage that all this provokes throughout the Arab and Muslim world.

It is precisely this racist aspect that infuriates most Arabs, even if they do not have any
personal connection to Palestine (if they live, say, in the French banlieues). This situation
delegitimises the Arab regimes that are impotent in the face of the Zionist enemy and, after the
defeat of the region?s two main secular leaders, Nasser and Saddam Hussein (the latter thanks
to the US), leads to the rise of religious fundamentalism.

Now, people often find racism far more unacceptable than ?mere? economic exploitation or
poverty. Consider South Africa: under apartheid, the living conditions of the Blacks were bad
but not necessarily much worse than in other parts of Africa (or even than in South Africa
now). But the system was intrinsically racist, and that was felt as an outrage to Blacks
everywhere, including in the United States. This is why the conflict over Palestine goes beyond
the second class status of Israeli Arabs or even the treatment of the Occupied Territories.
Even if a Palestinian state were established on the latter, and even if full equality were granted
to Israeli Arabs, the wounds of 1948 would not heal quickly. Arab leaders, even religious
ones, can of course sign peace agreements with Israel, but they are fragile so long as the Arab
population considers them unjust and does not accept them wholeheartedly. Palestine is the
Alsace-Lorraine or the Taiwan of the Arab world and the fact that it is impossible to take it
back does not mean that it can be forgotten. (I am not arguing here in favour of ?wiping Israel
off the map? or in favour of a ?one state solution? but simply underlining what seems to me to
be the root and the depth of the problem. In fact, I am not arguing for any solution partly
because none seems to me to be attainable in the short term, but, more fundamentally, because
I do not think that outsiders to the Middle East should propose such solutions.)

The American psyche

There is no sign that any of this is understood in Israel by more than a few individuals; if Arabs
hate them, this is just another instance of the fact that everybody hates Jews and it only proves
that they have to ?defend themselves? (i.e. attack others pre-emptively) by any means
necessary. That is bad enough, but why isn?t this understood in the United States either? There
are traditionally two answers to that: one is that the population is manipulated into supporting
Israel by the government, the arms merchants or the oil industry, because Israel is a strategic
US ally; the other answer is that the United States is manipulated by the Israel lobby. The idea
that Israel is a strategic ally, if by that one means a useful ally (useful to, say, the oil interests,
broadly understood), although widely accepted, specially in the Left, does not survive a critical
examination. That may have been the case in 1967 or even during the Cold War period,
although one could argue that, even then, the Arab states were attracted by the Soviet Union
only because it might support them in their struggle against Israel, albeit ineffectively. But
both in 1991 and in 2003, the United States attacked Iraq without any help from Israel, even
begging Israel not to intervene in 1991, in order for its Arab coalition not to collapse. Or
consider the post-2003 occupation of Iraq, and suppose that the goal of that occupation is
control over oil. In what sense does Israel help in that respect? Everything it does (the currents
attacks on Gaza and Lebanon for example) further alienates the Arabs, and US support for
Israel makes the control of oil harder, not easier. Even the Iraqi parliament, Malaki and
Sistani, who are the closest to allies that the United States can find there, condemn Israel?s
actions.

Finally, just imagine that the United States would make a 180-degree turn and suddenly side
with the Palestinians, as they did with the Kosovars against the Serbs ?? who, by the way,
were, like the Israelis, richer and more ?Western? than their Albanian adversaries. Such a
change of policies is by no means impossible: when Indonesia invaded East Timor in 1975, the
US supported the invasion by providing most of Indonesia?s weapons. Yet, 25 years later, the
US supported, or at least did not oppose, East Timor?s accession to independence.

What effect would that have? Can anyone doubt that such a change of policy would facilitate
US access to oil fields and help it gain strategic allies (if any were still needed) throughout the
Muslim world? In the Middle East, the main charge against the United States is that it is
pro-Israel, because it lets itself be ?manipulated by the Jews?. Therefore, if Washington
switched sides, there would be no more basis for hostility to US presence, including its control
over oil. Thus the notion of Israel as ?strategic ally? makes no sense.

The anti-Semitism boggey

This leads us to the ?Israel lobby? answer, which is closer to the truth, but not the whole truth.
To get a complete picture, one has to understand why the lobby works as effectively as it
does, and that depends on factors lying outside the actions of the lobby itself. After all, the
militant Zionists constituting the lobby are a minority among Jews, who themselves form a
small minority of the American population. The Israel lobby does not work like other lobbies,
for example, the arms and the oil industry lobbies (which is one of the reasons why it is easy to
dismiss it as irrelevant, as long as one does not understand how it really exerts its influence).

Of course, like the latter, the Israel lobby does fund electoral campaigns and its power derives
in part from its ability to target people in Congress who deviate from its ?line?. But if that was
all, it could easily be defeated ?? indeed, there are other sources of electoral funding, the big
industrial lobbies for example, and if the pro-Israel candidates could be shown to be paid to
serve the interests of another State, their opponents could denounce the people who receive
money from the lobby as some sort of agents of a foreign power. Just imagine a pro-French,
pro-Chinese or pro-Japanese lobby that would try to significantly influence the US Congress.
Certainly, money alone cannot suffice.

What protects the Israel lobby is the fact that anyone who would denounce an opponent
funded by the Lobby as a quasi-agent of a foreign power would immediately be accused of
anti-Semitism. In fact, imagine that Big Business is unhappy with the current US policies (as it
well may be) and wants to change them how could they do it? Any criticism of Lobby
influence on US policy would immediately trigger the anti-Zionism-is-anti-Semitism
accusation.

So the strength of the Israel lobby resides in part in this second line of defence, which itself is
linked to its influence on the media. But even that could easily be defeated ?? not all the media
are under the lobby?s influence, and, more importantly, the media is not all-powerful: in
Venezuela, it is anti-Chavez, but Chavez regularly wins elections. In France, the media were
overwhelmingly in favour if the ?yes? vote to the referendum on the European Constitution,
yet the ?no? won. The problem, and that is why the Israel lobby is so effective, is that it
expresses a world view that is accepted too easily by too many Americans. After all, nothing
could be more ridiculous than accusing someone of anti-Semitism because he wants or claims
to put America?s interests above those of Israel. Yet, the accusation is likely to be effective,
but only because years of ideological brainwashing have predisposed people to consider US
and Israeli interests as identical ?? although instead of ?interests? one speaks of ?values?.

Associated with this identification comes a systematically hostile view of the Arab and Muslim
world, which both increases the lobby?s effectiveness and is in part the result of its
propaganda. Despite all the talk about anti-racism and ?political correctness?, there is an
almost total lack of understanding of the Arab viewpoint on Palestine, and, in particular, of the
racist nature of the problem. It is this triple layer of control (selective funding, the
anti-Semitism card, or rather canard, and the interiorisation) that gives the lobby its peculiar
strength. (And that is also why it is easy to dismiss its strength by saying, for instance, that,
obviously, Jews don?t control America. Sure, but direct control is not the way it works.)

People who think that it is the arms or the oil industry that are running the show in
Washington as far as foreign policy is concerned, should at least answer the following
question: how does it work? There is no evidence whatsoever that the oil industry, for
example, pushed for the Iraq war, the threats against Iran or the attack on Lebanon. (There is
a lot of evidence that the Israel lobby pushed for the Iraq war; see Jeff Blankfort, A War for
Israel. They are supposed to act secretly, of course, but where is the evidence that they do?
And if there is no evidence, even no indirect evidence, how does one know? Profits from the
war, at least for major corporations, haven?t materialised yet, and there are many indications
that the US economy will suffer a lot from war-related expenses and the associated deficits.
On the other hand, it is enough to open any mainstream US newspaper or TV and read or hear
opinions expressed by Zionists calling for more war. War needs war propaganda and a
supporting ideology, and the Zionists provide it, while none of this is offered by Big Business
in general or the oil industry in particular.

One may also think of historical precedents, like the China lobby (made of post-1949 Chinese
exiles and ex-missionaries, supported by their domestic churches) in the 1950s and 1960s.
That lobby led the United States to maintain the ridiculous claim that a billion people were
represented by a government (Taiwan) that had no control over them whatsoever. It was also
very influential in bringing on the Vietnam war. Whose interests were they serving? The ones
of the American capitalists? But the latter make huge profits in post-Nixon recognised China.
And the same is true in Vietnam.

In fact both countries, as well as most of Asia, were anti-colonialist and anti-imperialist, as
well as anti-feudal (partly because the feudal structures did not allow them to resist foreign
invasions). But they were anti-capitalist (in the rhetoric, since capitalism barely existed there)
mostly because their aggressors ?? the West ?? were capitalist. So that the main lesson to be
drawn from the tragic history of the China lobby is that it held, during decades, the US policies
hostage to revanchist feudal and clerical forces that were alien to mainstream America, and
actually harmful to capitalist America. But they worked to the extent that their ideology ??
mixing fear with racist contempt for the ?Asian mind? ?? was in sync with Western prejudices.
Replace the China lobby by the Israel one and the Asian mind by the Arab one and you get a
fair picture of what is going on right now in the US-Middle East relation.

Rolling back the lobby

Rolling back the [Zionist] lobby would necessitate a change of the American mentality with
respect to the people of the Middle East, and to Islam, like ending the Vietnam war required a
change in the way Asians were looked at. But that alone would have a greatly humanising
effect on American culture.

It is true that a change in the US policy with respect to the Israel-Palestine conflict would
change nothing about traditional imperialism ?? the United States would still support
traditional elites everywhere, and press countries to provide a ?favourable investment climate?.
But the conflict in the Middle East, involving Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, has all the
aspects of a religious war ?? with Islam on one side and Zionism as a secular Western religion
on the other. And wars of religion tend to be the most brutal and uncontrollable of all wars.
What is at stake in the de-Zionisation of the American mind is not only the fate of the
unfortunate inhabitants of Palestine but also unspeakable miseries for the people of that region
and maybe of the rest of the world. The ultimate irony in all this is that the fate of much of the
world depends of the American people exercising their right to self-determination, which, of
course, they should.

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