January 15, 2007

pw: There is no such thing as race (and its a good thing, too)

Jeff Goldstein is back (I hear full-time) at protein wisdom, and he's posted a thoughtful essay from 2002 exploring why "race," "culture," and "heritage" have become interchangeable terms among race theorists - presumably (IMHO), to enable them to continue blurring the lines between the terms so that the respective categories run together and are easier for them to teach and impart to those who may not know or care about the differences between them. There is also an examination of the dynamics of identity politics. Yummy stuff.

Read it all, and count your lucky stars that protein wisdom is back in business.

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1 Race is only ever an issue if it can be used as a weapon against White people.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 15, 2007 12:47 PM (6zYAC)

2 I agree with IM. And also race must exist for Liberalism to exist. That's why it will never go away as an issue. Sorry, MLK.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 15, 2007 01:48 PM (8e/V4)

3 Happy James Earl Ray day from the boys at the boat launch.

Posted by: greyrooster at January 15, 2007 02:29 PM (w+w6p)

4 Ever wonder why the FBI will not release its file on MLK?

Posted by: greyrooster at January 15, 2007 02:57 PM (w+w6p)

5 Ever wonder why the FBI will not release its file on MLK?
 
Because he was a stooge of the KGB, perhaps? King's own diary exposes him as a useful idiot of the commies, so there's no need for PC apologists to waste any words. I personally believe the Russians had him killed so as to start a race war into which they could intervene, and I dare anyone to prove me wrong.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 15, 2007 07:49 PM (6zYAC)

6 No one can prove you wrong. The files are not made public because if the truth was known the blacks would burn buildings, attack innocent whites and steal all the new plasma TVs at your local Wal-Mart. I mean he's a hero right? A Christian man of peace. Just like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Thats why every city in America must have a MLK boulevard. What a joke. Rewrite history and hide the facts to placate a minority. Next we will have a OBL boulevard to placate the friggin muslims. Oh yea! let's make OBL a federal holiday so the tax payers can again take it in the rear. aaaaaaaah where's the local skin head recruiting office.

Posted by: greyrooster at January 15, 2007 08:49 PM (w+w6p)

7 I keep hearing that Islam is a race. Every time you criticize Islam or a Muslim, the Leftists, Muslims, and their stooges accuse you of being a racist. And here I am trying to figure out how Islam is a race. I live in the past, I suppose.

Posted by: templar knight at January 15, 2007 09:15 PM (qmQtL)

8 I honestly believe it is a racial thing to 99% of muslims who are middle easterners or asian mixed up mess like Indonesians. Same old story. If you are white, someone is jealous. Of course, when you are responsible for every improvement in civilization for the last 500 years others will tend to be jealous. Hewitt Packard applies for more international patents every week than the entire middle east in the last 20 years. How's that for backward. Then you have the Somalis who claim to have invented dirt and nothing since. Most muslims didn't know what toilet paper was until a few years ago. I guess that is why they eat with the right hand and lick the left.

Posted by: greyrooster at January 15, 2007 11:13 PM (w+w6p)

9

Race is real. It's the product of different isolated populations breeding, genetic drift, and physical adaptions to climates--usually hot ones or cold ones. Physical adaptions are passed down through generations.


 


For instance, many different groups of people living in equatorial areas have similar adaptions to the hot climate. Blacks, Australian Aborigines and Melaneisians all have dark skin and curly to kinky hair. Many Melanesians are physically indistinguishable from African Blacks. (I read a story about a guy from Africa who jumped ship in the Solomon Islands and lived there for years. The authorities determined he was a foreigner by listening to him speak. He looked like a native solomon Islander, and the natives are not Negroes.) The dark skin and kinky hair helps to protect the body from extreme heat.


 


Eskimos have developed shorter and thicker limbs than most other groups because that trait helps the body retain heat in cold climes. Lighter skin and hair helped Whites during the Ice Age to maximize the low levels of ultraviolet radiation and produce the vitamin E necessary for healthy skin.


 


 


Human beings aren't the only members of the animal kingdom subject to different physical adaptions among members of the same species. Grizzly bears are different from kodiak bears, asian lions are different from african lions, etc. Most of the finches on the Galapagos islands evolved from a common ancestor.


Race is a reality, but genetic populations are not static. They change, and the quickest cause of change is the influx of new genes from different populations (races.) For example, my kids are half White and half ethnic Malay, so a great deal of change occurred in a single generation. (And yes, they are the best looking boys in the world. It's one of the few things my wife and I can agree on.)


 


I agree that racial classifications are usually used destructively, but that isn't always the case. Law enforcement agencies need racial classifications to decribe suspects. Imagine if a criminal couldn't be described by race. Race is usually a readily definable aspect of appearance. It's much more efficient to use terms like White, Black, Asian, and Hispanic than it is to describe skin tone, eye shape, etc. America isn't going to be able to ditch racial terms anytime soon.


 


There are obvious and undeniable differences between races, but only leftists and other racists assume differences denote inferiority and superiority. That's why leftists try to deny racial differences, and supremacists exaggerate them. Lefties don't want any group (especially the much maligned White male,) to outperform other groups and supremacists point to performance as justification for their bigotry.


Only college professors and other retards believe there is no such thing as race.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 16, 2007 01:12 AM (abVz3)

10 At the genetic level race is not real.  Only the "expression" of those genes is evident to the eye (because of environment).  But all humans have exactly the same genetic make up.  So as far as any real differences between "races", there are none.  It's all cosmetic.

But culture IS real-- very real.  That's why I'm not a multi-culturalist.  There are good cultures, and not so good ones.  But even the best could use some improvement as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 16, 2007 09:50 AM (8e/V4)

11 It's not nice to mess with mother nature. Muslims did not evolve in the west. In fact they haven't evolved much at all.

Posted by: greyrooster at January 16, 2007 02:21 PM (w+w6p)

12 Carlos:


There isn't a reliable geneticist on the planet who would agree with you. It's the genetic level that determines race, not disproves it. All humans do not have the same genetic makeup. If they did, they would all be identical twins. Allele drift dispersion is a reality. Race is an "expression" of genes.


Population Genetics is not a bunk science like global warming or social science. It is the cutting edge of genetic research.


Remeber, different doesn't mean inferior. Whites are not the same as Blacks, Blacks are not the same as Indians, Indians are not the same as Mongolians, Mongolians are not the same as Khoi, and Khoi are not the same as Negritos. The racial intermingling made more common by modern travel and immigration has resulted in many different mixtures, all of which are very real. Polynesians are not the same as Mestizos, Mestizos are not the same as Malays, Malays are not the same as Australian Aborigines, etc.


It really shouldn't be a big deal.


I agree with you about culture. I don't want American culture swamped by inferior imports--especially islamic "culture." A country can have only one culture, otherwise it becomes a country with de facto mini-countries within its borders. That's what's happening to America right now. if it continues, America will become just another Third wold style failure.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 16, 2007 06:19 PM (abVz3)

13 It really shouldn't be a big deal! True. But just who makes it a big deal everytime they want something.

Posted by: greyrooster at January 16, 2007 07:44 PM (w+w6p)

14 The leftists of course--the same tards who claim race is a social construct.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 16, 2007 11:51 PM (abVz3)

15

Well my Anthropolgy instructors would agree with Jeff, or Carlos, depending on the circumstance. At least one of them was a leftist with 'Aztec' movement sympathies. Even he would say there are genetic differences that show up physically to describe what we call 'race', then turn around say modern transportation and other conveniences have produced a single global breeding pool, so we are only one single race in that sense.



Culture politics was a big deal to the leftist. But my favorite instructor treated culture as an opportunity to try new foods, music, and clothes, but never made it political.  Culture can become an ugly source of division, or it can be a fun way to try new things. That is what they taught me. 



Race/color identification is still tied to culture, and to cultural bigotry. It does seem to disappear when all colors have the very same culture, or when they are at least indifferent to culture.



Maybe useful, maybe not, but when I was into Nordic paganism, the idea was that Odin, and the other Gods couldn't care less if you worshipped them or not. They didn't care what color you were. They didn't care how educated you were. You didn't need to convert people, because why should it matter to Gods anyway? Their already Gods,. It isn't like some collectable card game "Humans, get them all! have a complete set!"



What mattered was if you being your best. Brave, honest, loyal to your friends, and kept your promises. If you had insecure Gods who worried about getting converts, it was your problem, and no offense, but your welcome to them. When Norsemen used to conquer, they didn't make anyone convert. In a way, that's why Christianity won out over Nordic paganism in the old days. Time, and persistant saturation.



I'm not sure now where I was going with this, but I guess I'm saying cultural intolerance is bad, but cultural defensiveness isn't. Racial bias is bad if it is used agressively, but fair if it is used defensively. Differences matter. WW2 showed Hitler, and Japan, use differences to justify attack, and genocide, while the allies used differences to stop potential  sabotuers and demilitarize enemies after the victory.



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Posted by: Michael Weaver at January 17, 2007 04:07 AM (2OHpj)

16 Michael Weaver:
 
"The dark skin and kinky hair helps protect the body from extreme heat" Are you nuts. The klan disproved that years ago. Ask any black is Mississippi.

Posted by: greyrooster at January 21, 2007 10:35 PM (w+w6p)

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