Captain Ed posts a very insightful article on our allies in Iraq and what will happen to them if we leave Iraq:

We have won allies in business and Iraqi politics, and we have helped establish an independent judiciary. All of these will be left defenseless in the event of a precipitous withdrawal, and their only hope for survival will be to transform themselves into radicals for one cause or another. Either they will have to do that or flee Iraq altogether, and we may wind up looking at another "boat people" flood of displaced Iraqis wanting to escape to America for their freedom -- which will create a huge headache in separating the true freedom lovers from the terrorists that would no doubt take advantage of the situation to infiltrate our borders.

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Via Centcom :

If you follow the news coming out of Iraq, you have seen too many headlines about the bloodshed in Baghdad in recent days. As American servicemen and women prepare to spend a fourth holiday season trying to help build a new Iraq, these headlines have led some people to conclude that our mission may be hopeless.

However, my recent visit to Fallujah has reaffirmed my strong conviction that as bad as the situation may sometimes appear, there is still reason to be optimistic for Iraq’s future.

Although it has been out of the headlines for some time, take a minute to recall why the name Fallujah resonates so strongly in our collective memory. Perhaps the most disturbing images of Operation Iraqi Freedom emanated from Fallujah on March 31, 2004, as the bodies of four murdered American contractors were desecrated and the charred corpses hung off the Euphrates River Bridge for the world to see. The “Fallujah Brigade,” a unit comprised of former Iraqi army officers, failed to prevent warlords allied with Al Qaeda in Iraq from effectively taking over the city. Foreign fighters and terrorist insurgents imposed a Taliban-like regime over the city, torturing and beheading innocent people who just wanted to enjoy the freedoms that resulted from the fall of Saddam Hussein. (One torture chamber later uncovered included cages in the basement and a wall covered with bloody handprints). With more than 100,000 explosive rounds stockpiled in weapons caches throughout the city, these invaders of Fallujah exported scores of suicide bombers bent on mass murder. The population of Fallujah fled in droves, reducing the number of residents to only 50-60,000. By October 2004, Fallujah was a city without security, without stability, and seemingly without hope.

In order to rescue the people of Fallujah and eliminate it as a base of operations for Al Qaida, Coalition forces launched Operation Al Fajr, or “The Dawn.” Led by American Marines, Coalition Forces battled 2-3,000 terrorists in fierce and sustained urban combat. Although Fallujah was liberated, half the city was decimated by the intense combat.

What has happened to Fallujah since that ferocious battle?

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The ink is barely dry on the Iraq Study Group's report and the mainstream media has already decided that the "bipartisan consensus" is gospel.

Just in case any neanderthals who might question the august group might not have gotten the message, MSNBC has created a stunningly blatant online push poll (screen cap) to get them in line. Text of the poll [emphasis added]:

Do you believe the Iraq Study Group report will make any difference?

Yes. With its recommendations and proposals, it gives the United States the opportunity for a 'graceful exit.'

No. The Bush administration will ignore most, if not all, of the recommendations.

Maybe. If the Democrat-controlled Congress puts pressure on the administration.

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PA Democrat Chris Carney goes maverick from his party on this one. Guy better watch his back - that's a well-known heresy.

Ray Robison cites a piece by Mark Eichenlaub, who has done a lot of tedious and excellent work documenting Saddam's links to terrorists and particularly al-Qaeda.

Give both sites a read.

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Is he Dead? I don’t know but Allah seems to have it about right.It was claimed earlier in the week that several “high ranking” members of the Mahdi army were killed. That's encouraging, maybe he was with them?

The claim Ace is linking appears similar to the one below the fold. But then again I don’t read Arabic? Hint hint.

The claims are propaganda mostly, but could, maybe be true. Don't hold your breath or anything. Just hope maybe he isn't, breathing that is. more...

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1 Muslims are censoring people on this site!

Posted by: Bill Bradford at December 04, 2006 09:36 PM (DCZ7U)

2 He is an alien evil inhuman godlike being.

He's probably still alive, but we could be lucky.

Maybe he failed his saving throw against Justice?

Ahh I'm just having fun. Don't mind me

USA all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at December 04, 2006 09:43 PM (2OHpj)

3 "censoring"

How?

USA all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at December 04, 2006 09:44 PM (2OHpj)

4 Yeah right....just when you think he is dead they bring him back for the next movie.

Posted by: Randman at December 04, 2006 09:48 PM (Sal3J)

5 Sadr saves!
Everybody else takes full damage....

Posted by: TBinSTL at December 05, 2006 12:08 AM (MSiPb)

6 I
just finished my interview with Tommy Franks #2 on what he knew about
Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda while planning for the invasion. He
mentioned some NEW intelligence on the link between the two. Solid
intelligence yet to be seen.


3-Star General reveals additional details of former regime's ties to terror (al Qaeda)
http://regimeofterror.com/archives/2006/09/3star_general_reveals_addition/

Posted by: Mark at December 05, 2006 01:01 AM (W4zkU)

7 Shut up Bill,!If you mean censor as in delete and Muslim as in Howie follower of Jesus,you are right.

Posted by: Howie at December 05, 2006 09:13 AM (YdcZ0)

8 Wow- Oliver Reed has really let himself go.

Posted by: dillene at December 05, 2006 10:14 AM (blNMI)

9 Oliver Reed

LOL.  I see it too.

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(Via Centcom)

A local Iraqi unpacks medical supplies at the Kirkuk General Hospital. The medical aid, supplied by Coalition Forces, will be distributed amongst the hospital and the local clinics.

Medical supplies in shortage, such as intravenous (IV) bags and burn blankets, were supplied by civil affairs soldiers from the 25th Infantry Division.

“God willing, these supplies will be helpful,” said Ahmed Karman, an Iraqi pharmacist working in the medical warehouse at the Kirkuk General Hospital . “In the past we were forced to rely on the black market for medical supplies.”

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UPDATE: As if on cue, the "Iraqi resistance" (which, in Falluja, means al Qaeda linked organizations) claims they shot the F-16 down with a "Strela" rocket. I speak a little Russian, and strela means "arrow" and is a Soviet made portable SAM. No word on the body of the pilot yet.

UPDATE II: Al Jazeera TV claiming that The Mujahideen Shura Council (MSC) and Mujahideen Army, in a joint statement, claim downing of plane. Odd, since the MSC no longer calls itself the MSC, but rather "The Islamic State of Iraq". The group formerly known as the MSC, though, is an al Qaeda-Salafi-jihadi umbrella organization.
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Update III: The Military has identified the missing Pilot as:

The Department of Defense announced today the identity of an airman listed as Duty Status Whereabouts Unknown (DUSTWUN).

Maj. Troy L. Gilbert was the pilot of an Air Force F-16C engaged in support of coalition ground combat operations that crashed approximately 20 miles northwest of Baghdad Nov. 27.

Gilbert is assigned to the 309th Fighter Squadron, Luke Air Force Base, AZ and currently deployed to the 332nd Expeditionary Wing, Balad Air Force Base, Iraq.

We pray for his family and demand his return and that he is treated respectfully.
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The pilot of the F16 which crashed in Iraq on Monday is still missing. A video has emerged taken just after the crash. The video is posted below (warning: graphic). In it, what are described as "locals" by the MSM can be seen disrespecting the plane. They also show the body of the dead pilot. US forces are searching to recover his remains before they can be disrespected any more.

CNN: The Air Force F-16CG fighter jet crashed Monday outside of Baghdad while flying on a low-level "strafing run" -- firing on targets on the ground at a low altitude -- a U.S. military official in Baghdad said….

…A Pentagon source said the plane was operating near Falluja, which is about 30 miles west of Baghdad.

Al-Jazeera, the Middle East-based television news network, has aired video showing what it said was the smoldering wreckage of the F-16. The video shows pieces of the aircraft including the tail which displays the aircraft's number and an "Air Combat Command" logo.

It said the video was shot in Karma, which is about nine miles (15 kilometers) northeast of Falluja.

Mohammed Al-Obeidi, an Iraqi who lives in the nearby town of Karmah, told The Associated Press he saw the jet flying up and down erratically before it nose-dived and exploded in a farm field.

He said other U.S. warplanes rushed to the crash site and were circling around it.

The F-16 was deployed to the 332nd Air Expeditionary Wing at Balad Air Base, Iraq.

This is not consistent with a missile shoot down, there would have been no up and down motion. Our enemies in Iraq have used a limited number of Russian SA7 shoulder fired missiles but that would have been obvious. Enemy claims of a missle strike are possible but doubtful.

Note CNN describes the men in the video as locals and not insurgents. But the one places his foot on the plane’s insignia, a show of disrespect. They also run like rabbits at the sound of approaching US warplanes. It also shows what appears to be the body of the pilot, and that he ejected from the plane prior to impact. How and when the pilot’s body was removed is not clear. However one of the men forgets to cover his face so I’d say someone will be looking him up real soon.

The insurgents may have taken the pilot’s body to extract a ransom to raise funds or for propaganda purposes. These terrorist war criminals have been known to murder pilots when captured. Also they have used the body of a dead pilot for propaganda purposes. These actions are war crimes and we should treat the enemy for what they are: terrorists & war criminals.

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Tales of burning mosques, like this one from Reuters were apparently fabricated by Sunnis and swallowed whole by a gullible world press.

As well, the sensationalized accounts of six Sunnis being burned alive by Shiites are unconfirmed, and all appear to come from the same source, police Captain Jamil Hussein, whose entire career appears to be issuing statements about Shia violence against Sunnis. Curt at Flopping Aces has researched Hussein and found a remarkable number of atrocity stories for which he is the source. more...

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After the Democrats won in November, I wondered just how long it would take for their influence to see real world results.

NYT Via AP: BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- Sunni Muslim insurgents blew up five car bombs and fired mortars into Baghdad's largest Shiite district Thursday, killing at least 161 people and wounding 257 in a dramatic attack that sent the U.S. ambassador racing to meet with Iraqi leaders in an effort to contain the growing sectarian war.

Shiite mortar teams quickly retaliated, firing 10 shells at Sunni Islam's most important shrine in Baghdad, badly damaging the Abu Hanifa mosque and killing one person. Eight more rounds slammed down near the offices of the Association of Muslim Scholars, the top Sunni Muslim organization in Iraq, setting nearby houses on fire.

Two other mortar barrages on Sunni neighborhoods in west Baghdad killed nine and wounded 21, police said late Thursday.

Good job Democrats. You've really turned things around for Iraq.

Update: I've er, uh, received a lot of feedback over this post. See email below the fold.

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You must read Tony Blankley’s post at Real Clear Politics.

The decisions made on Iraq over the next few months will take the measure of America's maturity and sense of responsibility. Because, whether we like it or not, our decisions -- and our decisions alone -- will determine whether the barely containable murderous pathologies of the Middle East will just be dumped into the face of humanity -- or whether rational efforts will be persisted at to contain and mitigate its civilization-threatening forces.

We have the most profound obligation to attempt to calculate the consequences of the impending American decision to wash our hands of the Iraq unpleasantness. In that regard, the words of President Kennedy come to mind: "There are risks and costs to a program of action. But they are far less than the long-range risks and costs of comfortable inaction."

If we, the most powerful force on the planet, in a fit of disappointment and anger at our bungling policies to date, decide to shrug off our responsibilities to the future -- we will soon receive, and deserve, the furious contempt of a terrified world. In fact, even those Americans who today can't wait to end our involvement in the "hopeless" war in Iraq will -- when the consequences of our irresponsibility becomes manifest -- join the chorus of outrage.

Related: NPR ATC. more...

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Iraq will execute Hussein Fahmi. The al-Qaeda terrorist will hang for his role in beheading Japanese hostage Shosei Koda. May his neck fail to break and he suffer as Shosei suffered. He deserves no less.

Gulf News Baghdad: A member of Al Qaida has been sentenced to death in Iraq over the kidnapping and beheading of a Japanese hostage in 2004, reports said on Wednesday.

Hussein Fahmi, who was arrested earlier in the year, confessed to beheading Japanese backpacker Shosei Koda.

Fahmi said he had carried out 115 other beheadings. He was sentenced by the Iraqi central criminal court.

Koda was killed in October 2004 by a group then led by Abu Musab Al Zarqawi, after Japan refused to bow to their demands and pull its troops out of Iraq.

The group claimed responsibility for the kidnapping and beheading in an internet posting that included a video of the killing. Koda's decapitated body was found wrapped in an American flag in a Baghdad street.

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Michael Fumento is on the ground in Ramadi, and he says yes. You really have to read the whole thing. It's amazing to hear the tactics we're using. It's also amazing to realize that the vast majority of 'reports' from Iraq come from Arab stringers (we know how reliable those are) or from Westerneres who rarely leave the Green Zone. Here's how Fumento concludes this excellent piece: more...

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Could this article signal a renewed effort to end this once and for all?

Maybe, just maybe, Bush has one trick left up his sleeve. For the next month and some change, total, unrestricted warfare before the Esmay...er...Kos Kidz control Congress.

I don't know. If I were an arrogant SOB, I'd pretend to tell you that I think I know, but I'm not, so I won't.

All I know for sure right now is that more and more jihadis are being sent to their 72 raisins. Allaaaaaaaaaaaaa Hu Fubar!

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Via Centcom:

He’s a fresh face for the station,” said Army 2nd Lt. Jill M. Glasenapp, PTT platoon leader, from Mauston, Wis. “He’s prepared to be the rock that holds this station up.”

Within the first half hour of his arrival, the commander was already pushing his team.

“We had a mortar attack as soon as we arrived,” Glasenapp said. “He immediately posted security around the station.”

The commander also immediately began issuing uniforms, weapons and a hefty paycheck to each member of his team."

He even began rewriting the stations Standard Operating Procedures,” Glasenapp added.

“The new lieutenant is definitely taking over smoothly and quickly,” said Cpl. Steven A. Dickson, an amphibious assault vehicle driver and security team member from Bakersfield, Calif. “You can see the IP’s are listening to him and following his orders. He’s really putting them in gear to work.”

The new commander is the fifth this year at the Iraqi Police station.

“We’ve had problems with the last four,” explained Army Staff Sgt. Brian S. Leslie, PTT team chief from Crystal River, Fla. “The first commander was shot, the following three ran off to Syria with money and supplies.”

The new commander was selected by Iraqi Police District Headquarters in Fallujah after being recommended by the executive officer, Leslie said.
“He was identified as a strong leader,” Glasenapp said. “Plus he lives in the area, so he was an obvious choice to command the station.”

If something happens at the station, the new commander is always available to help out, Glasenapp added.

“He’s responsible for everything that happens in the station,” she said. “He oversees all their missions and investigations. He has the last word and is always on call.”

Iraqi Police Station Ferris is expected to be increasingly productive with their new commander in charge. The policemen are eager to please their new commander and are working hard to do it.

“They see him as a hero since he brought discipline, order, and most importantly, paychecks,” Glasenapp said. “Hopefully he’ll be here for a long time, and we’ll always see great things from his leadership.”

By Lance Cpl. Bryan Eberly Regimental Combat Team

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The Washington Post is reporting that three basic strategies for Iraq were being debated by the Pentagon and that military leaders have settled on a hybrid plan, combining "Go Big" and "Go Long.":

The group has devised a hybrid plan that combines part of the first option with the second one -- "Go Long" -- and calls for cutting the U.S. combat presence in favor of a long-term expansion of the training and advisory efforts. Under this mixture of options, which is gaining favor inside the military, the U.S. presence in Iraq, currently about 140,000 troops, would be boosted by 20,000 to 30,000 for a short period, the officials said.

The purpose of the temporary but notable increase, they said, would be twofold: To do as much as possible to curtail sectarian violence, and also to signal to the Iraqi government and public that the shift to a "Go Long" option that aims to eventually cut the U.S. presence is not a disguised form of withdrawal.

The MSM uses CENTCOM only for American body counts, they never report on the daily successful operations, which militate against Democratic defeatism. That's the real reason for the rejection of the "Go Big" option, not the lack of US troops, as the Post claims.

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1 Oh, great. Sand lot football from a bunch of pencil necks.

Posted by: Greg at November 20, 2006 02:49 PM (v7DMp)

2 Greg, take your defeatist, pessimistic rhetoric elsewhere please. You really bum me out.

Posted by: Jack's Smirking Revenge at November 20, 2006 03:29 PM (CtVG6)

3 If only oue elected leaders and the people of these United States had the foresight to have listened to Bluto in the very beginning.
Aside from one or two incorrect observations, such as the "What if they gave a civil war and nobody came" Bluto has been 100% on the money !
The part of the Post article that I liked the most was when they likened it to Michael Jackson's Moonwalk. The United States will appear to be moving forward but.......

Posted by: John Ryan at November 20, 2006 03:37 PM (TcoRJ)

4 Hello, Im back again
To share with you
My heart and soul
Are you surprised?
I said I would
So here I am

Its time for us
To say goodbye
So until we meet again
Keep smirkin
Keep smirkin
Keep smirkin
Keep smirkin
Smiriririrk!

Posted by: Greg at November 20, 2006 03:37 PM (v7DMp)

5 Of course what CENTCOM issues are news releases, which, as a writer of many of them in your past life, you yourself Bluto know to be vastly different than news. Therefore using one to prove the bias of the other isn't accurate.

I still hold to the idea that, for the most part, news of substance is what the powerful would rather you didn't know; everything after that is pre-determined publicity.

By that measure —which is of course arguable —  releases on successful operations from CENTCOM are no more news than the fact that millions of people weren't killed today in traffic accidents could be considered news coming from the Council to Eliminate Seatbelts. It's the dozen deaths across the state that get the coverage because that's the issue. I

I would imagine organizations like CENTCOM to be pretty sophisticated in message management. In other words, these guys ain't Ernie Pyle as much as they're the equals of journalists in the civilian realm, just writing for a different source.

I'll confess you'd be hard pressed to find Ernie in any of today's media outlets, civilian or military.

Posted by: Gleep! at November 20, 2006 10:22 PM (a7sMc)

6 The main difference between advertising/public relations writers and what passes for journalists these days is that the former tend strongly toward being more honest in their writing than the latter. After all, admen can be sued for false advertising, while the public and individuals have virtually no recourse against journalists.

Your attempted point comes from a misunderstanding. I'm not decrying the MSM for not reporting when something bad doesn't happen. I'm condemning them for deliberately ignoring daily operations in which scores of insurgents and terrorists are captured and killed. This is news by any definition. The failure to report these stories is undeniable evidence of the gross cultural and political bias of the mainstream press. Even someone like you should recognize that democracy is endangered by a politcized press.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 20, 2006 11:24 PM (vBK4C)

7 I really really want to comment on this post but with Big and Long being the terms here I'll pass. 
 
 
 
Nah we need more guys and we need they to stay a long time.  Hopefully some day we can have less. But take and hold does make some sence but it increases the density of your men thus increasing deaths.  I'm not so sure it's a thing about how many die in a day but just one death every day.  This am on NRP the story was two US servicement killed.  But no mention of all the deaths,arrests and pressure on the enemy . Nor any mention of Iraqi's part in fighting the enemy. They are there in the highest density and losse the most men but nat as many as the jihadis.  But I'll give the jihadis credit they do kill more innocents.  Hey that's something [end sarcasm]

Posted by: Howie at November 20, 2006 11:36 PM (D3+20)

8 But the dems promised to bring the troops home now.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 21, 2006 05:31 AM (Mgy1K)

9 I agree with Bluto. Failure to allow all contents to be posted is bad. It leads to a biased untruthful look into the truth. Is that like deleteing?

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 21, 2006 05:35 AM (Mgy1K)

10 Ha, yes, even "someone like me" can see the danger of a politicized press. The editorial style of conglomerates such as Sinclair Broadcasting and the phenomenon of client-funded VNRs passing as news--a practice, incidently, defended by Mr. Bush--are two examples that immediately come to mind.

Would "someone like you" condemn these examples or pursue your legal options against their sources? I have to wonder.

From what I've read of your past posts and the arguments you've made to defend them, you seem far less interested in a pure, nonpoliticized press than you are in one that is just as politicized, only along your lines of thought. Some sort of "necessary counterbalance of truth" is how I think you've characterized it. 

Well, that's too easy. You either support politicized content or you don't. Which will it be for you?

As for the editorial ommissions of supposed progress in Iraq, measured by your metric of "scores of insurgents and terrorists ... captured and killed," I would point out that the average consumer of news couldn't care less how many nameless, faceless turban-heads from Iraq are killed every day. They want to know out about the death of the soldier from
Smalltown America because that's who they know. And the media is in the business--liberal media, conservative media, all media--of telling them.

You could have a 100,000 terrorists killed every 30 seconds and I doubt the typical American would say this war was worth the US blood and treasures lost. And that can hardly be blamed on the media.

I recall the early days of this war when the media dutifully repeated every statement from Bush, every claim from Rumsfeld, every soundbite from Cheney, and for all I know the majority of CENTCOM news releases.

It's when the facts on the ground no longer match the rhetoric, as is the case now, that media finally stepped up. And no terrorist body-count in the world will make up the difference now.

Posted by: Gleep! at November 21, 2006 09:55 AM (a7sMc)

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A Special Forces captain, killed in action in Iraq, delivers a powerful message in his own style.

From The Seattle Times:

LAS VEGAS — Shortly after Jeffrey "Toz" Toczylowski's last mission in Iraq a year ago this month, friends received a message.

"If you are getting this e-mail, it means that I have passed away," the missive said. "No, it's not a sick Toz joke, but a letter I wanted to write in case this happened."

The Army Special Forces captain, 30, said he would like family and friends to attend his burial at Arlington National Cemetery, "but understand if you can't make it."

The message, distributed by a fellow Green Beret after Toczylowski's family had been notified of his death, added: "There will also be a party in Vegas with a 100k to help pay for travel, room and a party."

"Don't ever think that you are defending me by slamming the Global War on Terrorism or the U.S. goals in that war," Jeffrey Toczylowski wrote. "As far as I am concerned, we can send guys like me to go after them or we can wait for them to come back to us again. I died doing something I believed in and have no regrets except that I couldn't do more."

Via Hot Air.

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1 The man knows how to fight, even after he is gone. That is an American warrior.

USA all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at November 19, 2006 10:31 PM (2OHpj)

2 Makes Greg, puddlefuck and John Ryan feel real good, huh! Hang your heads bastards.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 20, 2006 08:26 AM (R6qo5)

3 Grey, 
 It's my hope that we all hang our heads at this man's passing. And then party like hell if that's what he wanted. My son enlisted almost a year ago. I don't know about Greg or John Ryan, but puddleduck is a Vet. Whatever our political line are our Patriotism should never be questioned. 
 Hear that "RATTLE"?  I am assuming you know what that means.|
DO NOT TEST ME ON THIS!

Posted by: No Fear at November 20, 2006 09:48 AM (ZQepB)

4 NoFear, I'm back after my computer crashed. A brand new one at that. One we bought cheap to take to the deer camp, so the moral of this story is, "you get what you pay for."

Of course, it might have been my attempt to register at newsbusters that did it, as they might have a virus ready for all us conservatives who dare to register there. Haha!

Anyway, I had a productive week, if having fun is being productive, and it's back to the grind tomorrow. I've got yard work to do today, as the wind we had last week blew all the leaves and pine straw off the trees. Finally!

I be online off and on today. Sorry for not getting back to you.

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 20, 2006 10:22 AM (toCSj)

5 That's I'll.

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 20, 2006 10:25 AM (toCSj)

6 Hooked on fonicts wurked for mi! lol   I've been there, but you know that.
See ya JJ looking forward to it.

Posted by: No Fear at November 20, 2006 10:35 AM (ZQepB)

7 No Fear:  "Whatever our political line are our Patriotism should never be questioned. 
 Hear that "RATTLE"?  I am assuming you know what that means.|
DO NOT TEST ME ON THIS!"

Is this a joke?

Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at November 20, 2006 10:40 AM (fbyrb)

8 No Fear:  I just got it.....we must never stray too far  from the fact that it's always all about you.

Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at November 20, 2006 10:46 AM (fbyrb)

9 Dreamer, wake up, about this I am sincere. Grey made it personal. I did have something else to say about this young man but I got pissed off. That's what personal attacks do, they derail you.  It's my fault for letting that happen.
 I also notice you would rather attack me that pay respect to this young soul.
 Dreamer.... it's about Jeffery Toczylowski, that young man, it's about him. Thank you for acknowledging him. Which you did not.
Attacking me seems to be your priority.
 
Puddleduck is a vet. Are you? My son has enlisted did you?  I have no idea. 
 This not about me, you fucker. It is about Jeffery. It is about all men and women who put their lives on the line for what they believe in.
 
 It is not about your perception of me. What I stand for or what side if the line I'm on.
 
I hung my head and had him in my best thoughts. While I did this you were in all probability typing your attack on me. 
 I know you will never will, but you owe an apology. I'll let you figure out who it is you owe it too.
 
 

Posted by: No Fear at November 20, 2006 11:27 AM (ZQepB)

10 No Fear:   God, you  really are self-centered.

But it really is not about you.  It's not about your emotions, your sincerity, your hurt over what a commenter  said.  How you hung your head. Your patriotism.  Whether or not I can question it.

And it's not about me, either.  Whether you like me.  Whether I'm a vet, hung my head, or what I feel at any moment of the day. Sorry, all of this is really beside the point.

I think you should change your name to "drama queen."

Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at November 20, 2006 12:44 PM (fbyrb)

11 The Constitution of the United States of America, which I've taken an oath to "protect and defend," gives me the right to question the patriotism of anyone I damn well please.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 20, 2006 02:18 PM (vBK4C)

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A warrant has been issued for the top Sunni cleric in Iraq. Harith al-Dhari is the head of the Sunni Association of Muslim Scholars.

Al-Dhari is one of these 'moderates' you so often hear about who in one breath condemns violence and then in the next supports the insurgency.

This will turn out badly, in the end. The last time a cleric's office from Association of Muslim Scholars was raided, outrage ensued. The Association of Muslim Scholars was implicated in the Jill Carroll kidnapping. more...

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On Verteran’s day I noted that the supporters of the Mujahdeen Shura Council were celebrating the Democratic victory in our elections. They called it “the final victory” in their quest to create as Taliban like state within Iraq. I begged the Democrats to respond to these terrorists.

Rusty Followed as well with the statement.

I pray that many in the sane wing of the Democratic party who are not critical of the mission but only the failed tactics of the Bush Administration will win the day.

Rusty also explained their plans here why we cannot let the terrorists succeed in Iraq.

The Mujahadeen Shura Council (aka The Islamic State of Iraq) has released a new video claiming victory.

Description of the Video Via MEMRI:

The masked announcer reports that the Shura Council of the Jihad Fighters in Iraq has announced the establishment of the Islamic State of Iraq, and gives a "preliminary analysis" of the country's current events.

He says that the "Crusaders" and their Shi'ite allies have met with defeat in Iraq, and are therefore spreading lies in a last-ditch effort to weaken the mujahideen. For example, he says, they are claiming that Abu Hamza Al-Muhajir is not an Iraqi so as to propagate the myth that the Iraqi people welcome the occupation, and that only a handful of foreign fighters are opposing it. The announcer adds that the Crusaders had also, as part of their "psychological warfare" against the mujahideen, reported that Iraqi tribal heads had met with Iraqi President Al-Maliki, when in fact those who had met with him were merely "puppets" controlled by the occupiers. Also mentioned is the video of Abu Osama Al-'Iraqi, [2] which is likewise claimed to be a forgery.

The announcer then states that the Islamic State of Iraq was established in order to counter this "fierce attack," and that it will spearhead the war to liberate Palestine. Finally, he declares that Abu Hamza Al-Muhajir is calling on all clerics and professionals in Iraq to participate in the establishment of the Islamic State.
Throughout the film, a screen behind the news presenter shows scenes from the fighting in Iraq.

The Islamic State in Iraq/Mujahadeen Shura Council are terrorists of the worst sort. They created many beheading videos. Including Americans Jack Hensley and Eugene Armstrong.

In celebration, last week a video claiming to be from the “El Haraman Media Center” was released showing a summary of ten beheadings carried out by these groups. The video has a similar banner to older videos from the group. The video glorifies the beheadings and credits Zarqawi for, "terrorising the westerns."

The Video ends with an angelic image of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi smiling down at the beheadings with approval.

Zarqawi is being portrayed as some kind of sick Patrick Henry in al-Qaeda’s propaganda. See this post at Armies Of Liberation.

The Amir of Martyrs, Abu Mus’ab Al-Zarqawi, God’s mercy be upon him, Operation–[These two took place] in the Crusader port of Al-Dabbah in Hadramut region.

I will not post that video as it is far too graphic. I have a list of the victims below and some stills.

If we exit Iraq, we will leave a good portion of Iraq to al-Qeada. They are already celebrating the victory. They must be stopped. An Iraq in Chaos is dangerous. An Iraq under the control of al-Qaeda is unacceptable.

Note the shape of the funnel leading from western Iraq into Jordan. To leave that for al-Qaeda is a mistake. They will use for their stated goal of carrying the fight to Palestine. more...

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From a CENTCOM press release:

MOSUL, Iraq – Three terrorists were killed and one was seriously wounded on Nov. 13 when they tried to plant a roadside bomb in the Baghdad Garage neighborhood on Train Station Road in western Mosul.

The terrorists attempted to emplace a roadside bomb consisting of a 155 mm artillery round when it exploded prematurely, killing two of them instantly and injuring two more.

Iraqi Police responded to the explosion, finding the bodies of the two dead terrorists and evacuating the injured terrorists to a local hospital. One of the injured later died of his wounds. Two innocent bystanders, injured in the blast, were transported to Al Jamouri Hospital.

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Congratulations!

(Baghdad) At the Faw Palace near Baghdad airport yesterday, a total of 75 U.S. Army soldiers and Marines, including seven women, recited the oath of citizenship and became naturalized American citizens. The new Americans came from 33 different countries from all points on the compass. Among the many, U.S. service members from Uganda, Jamaica, Ivory Coast, Vietnam, Zimbabwe, Bosnia, Uzbekistan and the Philippines were represented.

About 25,000 U.S. service members have been naturalized since President Bush signed a 2002 Executive Order which accelerated the process. Yesterday's event was the seventh citizenship ceremony to be held in Iraq, naturalizing a total of 800 U.S. military members.

Think about it. People from around the world enter the U.S. military, with many placing themselves in harm's way, just for the opportunity to become Americans. Fortunately, it appears that proposed immigration and amnesty legislation will eliminate the need for military enlistment and citizenship will be attainable by purchase for a few thousand dollars.

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(Baghdad) Breaking news! The Iraqi justice system has reached a milestone. Saddam Hussein has been condemned to death.

From News.com.au:

FORMER Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein has been sentenced to death by hanging after being found guilty of crimes against humanity at his trial in Baghdad.

- Ramsey Clark was booted from the courtroom at the beginning of the proceeding.

- Saddam went on a tirade after the sentence was read saying "God is great" and "Death to the enemies." He was removed from the court room after babbling about the judges and the court being agents for the occupation.

- Two co-defendants were also sentenced to be executed.

- Sporadic celebratory gunfire has started in Baghdad.

- Iraqi forces have initiated a travel lockdown in the provinces.

- Court session ended for the day.

[Update 0600 EST]

From EITB24.com:

Clashes immediately broke out in north Baghdad's heavily Sunni Azamiyah district where police were battling men with machine guns. His half brother and former intelligence chief Barzan Ibrahim, and Awad Hamed al-Bandar, head of the former Revolutionary Court, were sentenced to join Saddam on the gallows.

Chief Judge Raouf Adbul-Rahman presided over the proceeding.

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Via Centcom:

CAMP TAJI, Iraq - Rome wasn’t built in a day...and neither was its army. Constructing, supplying and properly training a country’s fighting force is hardly an expeditious task. It is a process. And this process can be likened to a marathon...not a sprint.

The same can be said for the Iraqi army. Over the past three years, it has been rebuilt from the ground up as a modern, effective, western-style fighting force consisting of ten divisions with approximately 131,000 soldiers.

Today, approximately 89 Iraqi army combat battalions, 30 brigade headquarters, and six division headquarters control their own battle space.

Members of the Military Transition Teams (MiTTs) at Camp Taji, Iraq, have played a key role in this process, and they continue to do so as they slowly, but surely, train the Iraqi army to ultimately assume independence.

The purpose of the MiTTs is to advise, coach, teach, and mentor Iraqi soldiers and their leaders – to provide the necessary training and guidance to bring the Iraqi army to a level where it can work independently.

“First of all, we advise. So our job is to help the Iraqis plan and execute combat operations - those units that are already working in combat operations,” said U.S. Army Maj. Steven Carroll, a transition team chief from Fort Sill, Okla.

“We're primary trainers, or train-the-trainers, for Iraqi units that have just started. So teacher/adviser is the primary role for the team,” he added.

Each 11-15 man team brings a mix of combat and support specialties to include operations, intelligence, logistics, communications, engineering and security. Team members work one-on-one with their Iraqi counterparts, showing them the ropes of each specialty and offering advice on how to streamline operations.

“Second, we bring the effects - coalition effects - to the Iraqi army that they don't have for themselves,” said Carroll.

“Indirect fires, fixed air and helicopter attack aviation support, MEDEVAC helicopters and other non-lethal effects, like information operations assets, for example, that the Iraqi army uses during their combat operations, but can't provide for themselves. We provide that,” he said.

In addition to training and advising, the teams often run patrols outside of the compound with the Iraqi soldiers to show presence, to facilitate effects, and to help the soldiers gain confidence in running their own operations.

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Saddam Hussein's trial.

The nutroots will probably squeal about a "November surprise." But, Saddam being convicted of crimes only Tommy (you know, the deaf, dumb and blind kid who plays a mean pinball) knows nothing about probably won't have an impact here.

Will it be there? I dunno. From all of the terrorist media I see on a daily basis, I never see anything that shows that anyone over there gives a shit if he lives or dies.

The people we're fighting now don't do so in the name of Saddam Hussein. They do it in the name of Mohammed.

The media will hyperventilate, the Shia and Kurds will celebrate, the Sunnis will shrug, and the war will continue.

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In a story apparently designed to attack the Bush administration less than a week away from the midterm elections, the New York Times has instead delivered a stunning November Surprise to the Democrats. Saddam Hussein's regime was perhaps only a year away from developing nuclear weapons at the time of the US invasion.

From the article [emphasis added]:

Among the dozens of documents in English were Iraqi reports written in the 1990’s and in 2002 for United Nations inspectors in charge of making sure Iraq abandoned its unconventional arms programs after the Persian Gulf war. Experts say that at the time, Mr. Hussein’s scientists were on the verge of building an atom bomb, as little as a year away.

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1 Wait a second.



The left and the UN said that Saddam had NO NUKE PROGRAM!!!



I guess they left out that he had an 'Atomic Bomb Program'....big
difference, but still all in all, just as dangerous when it comes to
qualifying in the WMD category.



....or...is it?  I'm so confused...

Posted by: mrclark at November 03, 2006 12:16 AM (q2jUa)

2 Go New York Times!

Posted by: Christoph at November 03, 2006 12:48 AM (L8rdZ)

3 I think they are saying that Saddam was one year away from having Nuclear weapons pre-Gulf war in 1990? The U.N crushed the 'Baghdadatron' [Calutron] in the desert and sealed it with concrete, which is how the Iraqi scientists were doing Uranium enrichment.

Posted by: davec at November 03, 2006 02:21 AM (QkWqQ)

4 Gee, having a little problem with the reading today?

"At the time...Persian gulf war..."

I mean,,,,hello? This is a revelation of what we all have known. No programs for over 10 years before the invasion.

Posted by: Voice of the Majority at November 03, 2006 02:58 AM (lI3TA)

5 Duh, Bluto -

I read the section you referenced, several times, just to make sure I understood it.

Perhaps you should have another go at it, until you understand what it says.

Or are you trying to put a spin on 15 year old information, to make it seem relevant today?

Or maybe you just bungled a joke as John Kerry did, and so changed the meaning.

Seems that Bush's daddy did a hell of a lot better job of keeping nuclear weapons from terrorist nations than his moron son is doing.

Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 03, 2006 05:58 AM (fMHQi)

6 Run for office, puddleduck. Seems like you have the answers for all the worlds problems.......You want to enlighten us?
 

Posted by: REMF at November 03, 2006 07:28 AM (7RMSi)

7 I fully expect a prominent front page correction from the Times!

Posted by: y7 at November 03, 2006 07:52 AM (yYph9)

8 Puddlebrain: The elected president of the United States of America is not a moron. His only crime is that he allows those that help the enemy to run their mouths. Feel lonely? Move to Iran and be with your own kind.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 03, 2006 08:14 AM (cNF2m)

9 More hysteria from Bluehoe. The story is anachronous.

Posted by: Greg at November 03, 2006 08:59 AM (19GwZ)

10 It is the Bush supporters who must feel lonely in their little 17% group off in the corner. We might be in a much better space had Bush Jr. gone for a little therapy to get at the root of why he suffered from lack of Dad's attention and so yearned for it that he had to " one-up " papa by thinking he was going to do a better job. I'm sure papa must be shaking his head. Oh well, a bottle in from of me is better than a frontal lobotomy!

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at November 03, 2006 09:03 AM (Dd86v)

11 Bluto's a dumb ass. They meant 15 years ago.

(I suspect this is not rooster and is a spoof I don't care if you call him everything but a white boy but no spoofing dammit :Howie)

Posted by: Grey Rooster at November 03, 2006 09:18 AM (wkRws)

12 How do people like puddleduck  KNOW  what Saddam  DIDN'T have...........? What about the 747 loads of weapons that were flown to Iran shortly before we invaded.? One iraqi pilot wrote a book about this. Or, is puddledick simply expressing an opinion based on Bush hatred...I think so.

Posted by: n.a. palm at November 03, 2006 09:32 AM (dE5ub)

13 The article means Saddam was a year away from the bomb at the end of the Persian Gulf war, not in 2002.

You right wing nutjobs don't have any more good lies left do you?

Posted by: Adnan at November 03, 2006 10:12 AM (TYV5X)

14 Experts say that at the time, Mr. Hussein’s scientists were on the verge of building an atom bomb, as little as a year away.

No, Bush lied people died, remember???  The Left wanted sanctions lifted on Iraq, even knowing that Saddam was determined to build a nuclear weapon.  That is proof enough the invasion was warranted and that the Left are morons.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 03, 2006 11:02 AM (8e/V4)

15 I wonder how much of the equipment Saddam managed to ship off to Syria and Iran when President Bush made it clear the coalition was going in?

Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at November 03, 2006 11:24 AM (vixLB)

16

Posted by: y7 at November 03, 2006 07:52 AM

8 Puddlebrain: The elected president of the United States of America is not a moron.
 
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You're right.  Clinton wasn't a moron and neither was Gore.  The unelected president isn't a moron either.  He would have to gain some IQ points to become a moron.
 
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What about the 747 loads of weapons that were flown to Iran shortly before we invaded.?
 
Posted by: n.a. palm at November 03, 2006 09:32 AM
 
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What about them?
Do you have a reference for this claim?

Posted by: CafeenMan at November 03, 2006 11:54 AM (eNwl1)

17 Deleters eat shit and bark at the moon.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 03, 2006 12:13 PM (cNF2m)

18 The nuclear progrm statement was not about the status of the program in
2002-2003.  Basically, the Times has only conceded that (1) Saddam
was a really bad dude; and (2) Saddam actually did continue to have
active ties to Islamic terrorists.  It's this later point which
seems to be lost on left wing mouth breathers who insist that "Iraq had
nothing to do with the war on terror!" Sure, Iraq didn't have a direct
roll in 9/11.  But Al Qaeda and Iraq were both part of the same
bigger problem.



Perhaps we would be better off now if Bush the elder had deflected
Saddam and gotten him to attack one of "less evil" allies than
Kuwait.  Destruction of the Saudi royal family might have been
good in the long run. But leaving Saddam in power was still Bush the
elder's second biggest failure (#1 being Souter).

Posted by: wooga at November 03, 2006 12:42 PM (tAB8A)

19 Hey, lefties... perception is reality in this little propoganda war and the NYT handed a  gift to the Republicans by saying that Saddam was just shy of having a nuclear weapon.  Pity, because the left has worked long and hard to create the impression there were no efforts to build such weapons.

Noone is going to carefully read the article for dates. 

Why bother?  The NYT runs fast and loose with dates and details  and facts - everyone knows this. Why just today they had to correct their Kerry quote.   You know, their quote where they inserted words to make it look more like a joke?  Somehow the crack reporters at the NYT didn't hear the tape which had been repeatedlyrunning on TV the day before,  or didn't read the transcripts available everywhere on the internet.

Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at November 03, 2006 01:09 PM (0muHk)

20 Here's the way I see it.  While he may not have been actively
pursuing nuclear weaponry at the time of the invasion, the documents
indicate that they were approximately one year away.  And there
was nothing stopping them from doing less overt research. 
Remember such documentation was supposed to have been destroyed? 
Oops!  Looks like it wasn't.  I wonder why ... For those with
limited comprehension, here's how Saddam was going about things:



* Stash all nuclear documentation safely due to sanctions (and still do covert research) - check



* Begin skimming from Oil For Food Programme - check



* Get at least two nations (France and Russia) with veto power in my pocket through Oil For Food - check



* Begin lobying for lifting sanctions with help from France and Russia - check



* Once sanctions are lifted, pick up where we left off and we can have a bomb in about a year.



Remember that they had already been busted for working on delivery
systems beyond what they were allowed.  And if you think that with
Iran scrambling with enrichment like they are, that they and Iraq
wouldn't be in a nuclear arms race right now, you're (in the words of
the inimitable John Kerry) CRAZY.

Posted by: Oyster at November 03, 2006 01:12 PM (I+VdL)

21 because the left has worked long and hard to create the impression
there were no efforts to build such weapons.
 
blah, blah

Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at November 03, 2006 01:09 PM
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 * Get at least THREE nations (France, Russia and The United States of America) with veto power in my pocket through Oil For Food - check (oops... US skims the O for F program but not in Iraq pockets)

Posted by: Oyster at November 03, 2006 01:12 PM
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So what was the threat to us again?

Posted by: CafeenMan at November 03, 2006 01:20 PM (eNwl1)

22 Let me spell this out for you with crayons, Cafeenman.



The US government was not in on the OFF scam and was not lobbying to
lift sanctions.  French and Russian gov't people were.  And
since you bring it up, let's add the UN in on that too.

Posted by: Oyster at November 03, 2006 01:39 PM (I+VdL)

23 looks like computer text to me.  Do you use some type of text recognition pad that lets you draw with crayons?  I should get one for the kids and maybe freepers when they mature a little bit.
 
Anyway... what threat did you say that Iraq posed to the US?

Posted by: CafeenMan at November 03, 2006 01:42 PM (eNwl1)

24 Anyone who cannot see the threat of a rogue nation, that has influenced nations with a Veto vote, has flaunted both a cease fire agreement, and U.N monitoring programs, has used chemical and biological weapons against his own civilians, and against his neighbors should probably stick to crayons.

Posted by: davec at November 03, 2006 01:54 PM (QkWqQ)

25 Cafeenman:  You're missing the point, buddy. .. nailed down facts don't matter here.    The NYT just ran an article showing that  Saddam and his men weren't  flying kites the day before the invasion.  Saddam was up to no good, and now even the NYT has admitted it.

You need to take a step back and appreciate the irony of this.  NYT spouts fictions until they're "facts," ignore facts until they disappear  and  when  propoganda backfires, lefty apologists  have to start suddenly start citing specifics, facts, dates etc.

Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at November 03, 2006 01:59 PM (0muHk)

26 Let's also add the trip to Niger.  What were the Iraqis there
for?  To secure a lucrative deal on cow peas?  I hear that
after being processed in a centrifuge they make great hummus.

Posted by: Oyster at November 03, 2006 02:09 PM (I+VdL)

27 24 Anyone who cannot see the threat of a rogue nation, that has influenced nations with a Veto vote, has flaunted both a cease fire agreement, and U.N monitoring programs, has used chemical and biological weapons against his own civilians, and against his neighbors should probably stick to crayons.

Posted by: davec at November 03, 2006 01:54 PM
 
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OK, so he was going to fly his cargo plane over the ocean to US soil and drop rations of mass destruction on us?  Or was it his navy of two rowing sculls that were going to sink our fleet in the mediterranean?  Or possibly his army that we defeated in what, a couple weeks that was going to march over here and kick all our asses?  Or maybe it was his intimate ties with Al Qaeda that he would supply with "Nukes for Dummies" so they could have at us?  Or maybe he would send his own guys over here with nukes?  What was the threat again?  What is your guys fascination with crayons?  Uusually it's just sex that you get all weirded out about.  Now it's crayons.  Creepy.

Posted by: CafeenMan at November 03, 2006 02:10 PM (eNwl1)

28 26 Let's also add the trip to Niger.  What were the Iraqis there for?  To secure a lucrative deal on cow peas?  I hear that after being processed in a centrifuge they make great hummus.

Posted by: Oyster at November 03, 2006 02:09 PM
 
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Debunked so many times I'm assuming you're a leftie being sarcastic.

Posted by: CafeenMan at November 03, 2006 02:11 PM (eNwl1)

29 25 Cafeenman:  You're missing the point, buddy. .. nailed down facts don't matter here.    The NYT just ran an article showing that  Saddam and his men weren't  flying kites the day before the invasion.  Saddam was up to no good, and now even the NYT has admitted it.

You need to take a step back and appreciate the irony of this.  NYT spouts fictions until they're "facts," ignore facts until they disappear  and  when  propoganda backfires, lefty apologists  have to start suddenly start citing specifics, facts, dates etc.



Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at November 03, 2006 01:59 PM
 
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NYT - that's a newspaper, right?  I don't read it.  I just watch retarded people argue about what it said or didn't say.  Saddam was a bad guy.  That was a problem of his citizens to resolve.  He was no threat to us.
 
As far as his activities, at the time we invaded (and now even more so) there were other countries doing much worse.  Why didn't we invade a country that could be a real threat?

Posted by: CafeenMan at November 03, 2006 02:15 PM (eNwl1)

30 I'll see you the trip to Niger, and raise the presence of Russian made night vision equipment and GPS Jamming equipment made by the Russian Aviakonversia corporation in Iraq in 2003 - despite internationally agreed ban on sales of such items to Iraq. I'm guessing we're supposed to forget about Russia's sales of military equipment to Iraq, and their nuclear technology transfer to Iran, transfer of Sunburn missiles to China etc.

Posted by: davec at November 03, 2006 02:16 PM (QkWqQ)

31 Ah... so the real enemy is russia.  Aiding and abetting the enemy.  Don't see Bush threatening them too much.  All hat, no cattle.  It's ok for us to have all those thing though, right?  It's ok for us to supply Saddam with illegal chemical weapons to kill Iran-backed citizens who have taken over a good part of the country and declared themselves to be enemies of Iraq.  In fact, it's even ok for us to encourage and pay him to attack his own citizens.  The best part is that it's also ok for us to, with great indignity (that part is REALLY important) and claim what an evil, evil man he is for doing what we wanted and armed him to do.  That's what I love about us.  Anything we do is ok.  So when do we start bombing China, Russia, N. Korea, Iran and Venezuala?  Oh yeah... the French too.

Posted by: CafeenMan at November 03, 2006 02:20 PM (eNwl1)

32 Cafeenman:  "Why didn't we invade a country that could be a real threat?"

Hmmmm....you're still missing the point, man.  Nuclear. weapon. is. a. real. threat.    Get it?

Just admit that you (and all of your other fellow travelers in the leftysphere) have lost major ground here.    Suddenly, up is up and down is down.      God, I love the truth.

Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at November 03, 2006 02:20 PM (0muHk)

33 Lost major ground?  I'm not seeing it but if that becomes true at some point in the future I'll respond with something like, "what the fuck?  Why can't we ever get good information?  Guess I was wrong."  You right wingers have already had plenty of opportunities to admit that you're wrong, but nobody is holding their breath.
Nukes. are. a. real. threat?  Crap! (but thanks for the tip)  I'll write it down someplace so I don't forget.  N. Korea is not Iraq.  They are two different places (consult your globe or atlas for details).  N. Korea has nukes.  Iraq doesn't have nukes.  Iraq was no where close to having nukes and if you stop trying to make your old, incorrect arguments become true retroactively you'll stop playing semantics and realize that Iraq wasn't anywhere close to having nukes.  On the other hand, it's mathematically improbable that people such as yourselves making so many claims could always be wrong, but you're definitely beating the odds.  Congratulations!

Posted by: CafeenMan at November 03, 2006 02:29 PM (eNwl1)

34 Cafeenman; maybe you should switch to decaf.



The Niger story was not debunked.  Joe Wilson, on the other hand,
was.  Tell me too Cafeenman, since you're the almighty sage here,
what about the Russian MIGs in Iraq?  What about Salman Pak? 
What about Saddam's checks to suicide bombers?  There's a lot more.



You're not all that bright, sparky.  Pretending that all these
things I and others have brought up are disconnected events that have
no bearing on each other which you can refute catagorically with
nothing more than a few keystrokes does not detract from the sheer
weight of evidence against Saddam's danger to not only the region, but
anyone else he set his sights on.



You're too stupid to argue with.

Posted by: Oyster at November 03, 2006 02:30 PM (I+VdL)

35 er...categorically.

Posted by: Oyster at November 03, 2006 02:31 PM (I+VdL)

36 Oyster - funny that none of those things are anywhere in the liberal media that runs stories about democrats but have totally unrelated pictures of bush grip 'n' grins in the story instead of photos related to the story.
 
How about some sources to your little tidbits of information.
 
Oh, and good one about the "too stupid to argue with."  That added a lot to your post and took your credibility rating from 0.0 to -0.1

Posted by: CafeenMan at November 03, 2006 02:47 PM (eNwl1)

37 Of course, n.a palm, there were 747 loads of WMDs going out of Iraq, just like there were all those mobile chemical labs, before the war.

Both stories must be true.

They were both told by Iraqis that wanted the US to come in and do the dirty work that they wouldn't do for themselves.

What the Iraqi people didn't realize, is that if you want freedom, you have to fight for it, yourself.

You will never be free, if you let someone do all of your fighting for you.

If freedom is handed to you, it is only worth what you paid for it.

It doesn't seem, to me, like freedom was a high priority for most Iraqis, or they would be free today.

There were a hell of a lot more Iraqis, than terrorists, when we invaded.

Don't you think that we have given them ample opportunity to secure their own freedom, if they really wanted it?

Why do the RW trolls on this site disparage our veterans who have fought and died, so that we can be free?

It is shameless, but consistant with Bush's concern for our military.

As a wise old man once said - "honor the warriors, not the war".

Posted by: Puddleduck at November 03, 2006 02:55 PM (F+9W9)

38 I rest my case.

Posted by: Oyster at November 03, 2006 03:24 PM (I+VdL)

39 cafeenman:   "Iraq was no where close to having nukes"

Prove it. 

Or shut up.

Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at November 03, 2006 03:26 PM (0muHk)

40 Prove something doesn't exist?  Nice, but lame strawman attempt.

Posted by: CafeenMan at November 03, 2006 03:30 PM (eNwl1)

41 Cafeenman:
It's ok for us to have all those thing though, right? so your moral relative kicks in, you're a real patriot, with your the U.S is worse/same attitude.
please show me the U.N resolution that restricts the United States from having Night vision, or GPS jamming equipment.
My mention of Russia, is to do with the fact that Russia has a Veto vote, and has been influenced by money deals with Iraq, just has it has with Iran -- any wonder there is no staunch resolution against Iran, with Russia providing the goods?

Posted by: davec at November 03, 2006 03:31 PM (QkWqQ)

42 My moral relative?  All my relatives (well most) are moral.  Did you make a point, dave?

I think you're reading between the lines too much.  I said it's ok for us to have those things.  Was I wrong?  Are you saying it's not ok for us to have those things because the UN says it's ok?  You're not making any sense.

Posted by: CafeenMan at November 03, 2006 03:34 PM (eNwl1)

43 perhaps I can put it in terms a preschooler can understand, and maybe help your comprehension problem:

After the Gulf War, the United Nations created a list of technology that was to transferred, nor sold to Iraq, this also included "dual-use" items.
A GPS Jammer, has no civilian use, night-vision technology most likely fits under dual-use it has other purposes than warfare.
Russia was a party to this agreement. Russia kept arming Saddam, long after the Gulf War (see Oysters post about the Mig FoxBAT that was recovered in the Desert, that had technology the West had never seen)
Saddam purchasing these items was breaking the U.N sanctions, along with other violations of the cease-fire.

I was not reading between the lines, you might backstep but it is obvious what you were saying:

It's ok for us to have all those thing though, right? It's ok for us to supply Saddam with illegal chemical weapons to kill Iran-backed citizens

the comparison is clear, to everyone here. keep back-peddling though.

Posted by: davec at November 03, 2006 03:55 PM (QkWqQ)

44 Cafeenman:   Did you make a point, dave?

He's making the obvious point that you are not an American patriot.  That you are anti-American.   That you appear to be concerned with fact and truth, and doing the right thing, but you in fact you are actively rooting against America.

reread your own post at 2:20 where you say, 'That's what I love about us.  Anything we do is ok.  So when do we
start bombing China, Russia, N. Korea, Iran and Venezuala?  Oh yeah...
the French too."

What you are saying is that America is a war-monger, etc. etc.  That is why lefties such as yourself have the nick-name, "lefturd."

Any questions?

Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at November 03, 2006 03:57 PM (0muHk)

45 Back pedaling?  It is obvious what I was saying.  You're saying Russia supplied Iraq with weapons.  You haven't provided any references to that.  You said Russia gave them Migs.  Now you say they recovered A foxbat?  One?  You've got to be shitting me.  That's all you've got?  Sources please.

One freeper told me that we found "rocket tubes."  That was all he said except for the number which I don't remember but it was something like 10.  Guess what.  I have rocket tubes.  Millions of Americans have rocket tubes.  They fly about 1,000 feet in the air and are destroyed when they hit anything with substance doing little or no damage.

I said we armed Saddam.  We did arm Saddam.  Saddam used those weapons (again, illegal chemical weapons) to kill people we wanted him to kill.  Now people such as you (maybe not you since it hasn't really come up since I've been here but since you're assuming things I will too) are being indignant about how Saddam killed his own people!

Here's an idea.  Give your kid a bat and tell him to whack the neighbor kid with it.  Give him money either.  Put a lot of pressure on him in both positive and negative ways.  Then if he does it, tell him what a bad kid he is and get anyone you can to gang up on him.  Sure, your kid has a character fault for doing something he knows is wrong but he caved to the pressure so he needs to be punished.  You're a great dad.

Posted by: CafeenMan at November 03, 2006 04:03 PM (eNwl1)

46 Cafeenman:
Ever heard of a site called www.google.com ? do your own research, I did mine. -- It's always the same with pinko's, they always want someone to do the work for them.

It's interesting that you mention the U.S selling Saddam chemical weapons, can you identify the precursor for his weaponized slurried Anthrax? I already know it, how it was obtained and it's original purpose?

btw. nice comparison between rocket tubes, and kids rockets, yeah I bet that is exactly what they were talking about, not the military use at all.

And no, they did not just find one Mig.

Posted by: davec at November 03, 2006 04:10 PM (QkWqQ)

47 I've come to the conclusion that none of you or anyone else but Saddam and his closest knows for sure. I do know that he would try sooner or later. I say err on the side of stopping WMD in the hands of a killer. And send a message to others. Which we have done. Not the way I would have done it but something is better than sitting back and being a target. The Iraq invasion was a message to more than Iraq. It was a message to all muslim regimes. No more 9/11s. Perhaps it worked, perhaps not. I just know in my heart that letting the muslims get on a roll is not the way to go. A good message is you will suffer also. Five years now and no more attacks. I would have bet the farm on it wouldn't be that long. I remember the glee in the animals eyes as they danced in the street. How can you short bred assholes forget?

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 03, 2006 05:04 PM (cNF2m)

48

CafeenMom:

Why did hussein send his top nuclear weapons technician to Niger as an "ambassador" when he already had an ambassador? Why did the ex-president of Niger confirm that the Iraqis were looking to buy yellowcake Uranium--the only real Nigerian export? Why did Hussein claim his goons were there to buy oil--something he obviously didn't need to buy? Why do the British intelligence agencies stand by their assessment of Hussein's yellowcake shopping? Why is the only person claiming to have knowledge to the contrary the thoroughly discredited liar Joe Wilson?

Why do you continue to spew leftist canards into the face of all reason? Why do you defend an indefensible piece of shit like Saddam Hussein? Could it possibly be BDS? Try not to scoop your brains out the next time you wipe your ass. Assuming you wipe your ass after you squeeze out the kind of crap you dropped here.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 03, 2006 06:09 PM (bLPT+)

49 Brrrrrrreeeeeeeeeettt!
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THIS IS AN AMBER ALERT!
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A child is missing.
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Last seen Thursday, November 2nd at 10:56 PM in his grandmother’s basement at 1100 Dead End Cove, in Nuttersville.
He had posted a 14-year-old story, as if it were contemporaneous, on the neocon website, the Jawa Report. He ran off screaming and his grandmother believes he is suicidal as a result of the gaff. He has the unusual habit of sitting and rocking as he mutters.
If you see him, please contact the nearest law enforcement authority immediately.

Posted by: Greg at November 03, 2006 06:14 PM (19GwZ)

50 In a nutshell, Bush Jr. tried to make papa Bush proud by finishing a job his dad had started. It was also an easy target, not like Russia, or Iran, or North Korea. Have to think twice about raising the ire of China. What Bush Jr. needed was to bolster America's confidence and make a mark in history by defeating an enemy. Something we have been unable to do since WW2. Bush Jr. thought he would sieze the glory by breaking the cut and run course we were on. Well, in the meantime we have shot our wad in the desert and are helpless to attend to the bigger threats of North Korea, Iran and Russia. And we can cry and whimper but we have alienated our allies. Not many options left. Guess I'll do as Bush Jr. does when faced with insurmountable problems:

Fore!   L  o ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ O7 

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at November 03, 2006 06:32 PM (Dd86v)

51 Can't grasp reality Larry:
Do you ever proof-read before you post?

Posted by: davec at November 03, 2006 06:38 PM (QkWqQ)

52 Actually, since it's almost impossible to see if there are new posts on a topic, or follow a conversation because the comments all appear out of order since the Jawareport "updates" you're forgiven.

Posted by: davec at November 03, 2006 06:57 PM (QkWqQ)

53 The SOB might have succeeded too if he had pulled out after " Mission Accomplished! ". But no, he got greedy and obstinate in trying to turn Iraq into Disneyland. He should have just done Saddam in instead of having this long drawn out circus of a trial. Next time go in, get the job done and leave a note on the door as we withdraw that says: " Fuck with us and we'll fuck with you! "

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at November 03, 2006 07:32 PM (Dd86v)

54 Davec, sorry about any spelling or grammatical errors I make. I been picking up some pointers from Howie!

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at November 03, 2006 07:35 PM (Dd86v)

55 It wasn't the grammar, or the spelling I was commenting on.
It was the flow of the comment, it was hard to read.

Posted by: davec at November 03, 2006 07:40 PM (QkWqQ)

56 Larry:
Stopping at Saddam would have been a mistake also, doesn't the term 'You break it, you buy it!" also ring true? I never thought it was a good idea to put U.S soldiers in the role of policemen, but if you're going to destroy a Government you had best make sure you replace it with something better?

Posted by: davec at November 03, 2006 07:49 PM (QkWqQ)

57 He's making the obvious point that you are not an American patriot.  That you are anti-American.   That you appear to be concerned with fact and truth, and doing the right thing, but you in fact you are actively rooting against America.

Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at November 03, 2006 03:57 PM

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

So he wasn't making a point at all?  Is this all you people can do?  Instead of coming up with a real rebuttal using real fact, you question the patriotism of those who don't suck your little limp dicks while making up facts to suit your purposes.  So far not one of you has done anything more than that.  Enjoy your own little fantasy world.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

That's what I love about us.  Anything we do is ok.  So when do we start bombing China, Russia, N. Korea, Iran and Venezuala?  Oh yeah... the French too."

What you are saying is that America is a war-monger, etc. etc.  That is why lefties such as yourself have the nick-name, "lefturd."

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Thanks for clearing that up.  America is a war monger (indisputable) and that makes lefties lefturds.  I see you are very good at coming to retarded conclusions.  That's why people call you stupid fucks.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Any questions?

Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at November 03, 2006 03:57 PM

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

I have lots of questions but it's obvious none of them will be answered here.  You have a fundamental disdain for honesty and integrity.  Please continue enjoying sucking each other off while bashing other gays such as yourselves.

Posted by: CafeenMan at November 03, 2006 09:00 PM (eNwl1)

58 CafeenMan: Good cop out.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 03, 2006 09:50 PM (cNF2m)

59 Destroy CafeenMan's party in the election. Get out the vote.

Make drink some coffee.

USA all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at November 03, 2006 09:55 PM (2OHpj)

60 If it's possible to understand this could happen in the 21st century after years of evolution there are people in the right wing world who literally have no brains in their heads.
 
And we all thought evolution made most people smarter.
 
Guess the designer got their wires crossed.
 
GEEZ, this country is in one hell of a hole if people still think after Ted Haggard that the right wing is really the party of values for ANYTHING!
 
 

Posted by: civilbehavior at November 03, 2006 10:40 PM (qZRbT)

61 Oh, brother, now the shitheads(civilbehavior) on the Left want to claim intellectual superiority and morality.


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Posted by: jesusland joe at November 03, 2006 11:32 PM (rUyw4)

62 Ted Haggard

The Left celebrates sodomy.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 04, 2006 09:06 AM (8e/V4)

63 Last Gulp Larry:
 
China is a joke. Bildo Clinton bombed their embassy in Yugoslavia and China did nothing about it but cry piteously. That's because unlike leftist fools like you, the thugs who sit on top in China know that their military is a joke, and that the American nuclear arsenal could vaporize their entire prison of a country.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 04, 2006 10:49 AM (bLPT+)

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Posted by: Cruz at November 04, 2006 01:57 PM (suD38)

65 Sorry Davec for the lack of flow. it was as hard to write as it is to read!

I don't believe China is shaking in their commie boots. I think they are smarter and practice more restraint. Something we could learn to do better. But no, we are ego driven and we needed a quick win of a war to get us back on an upswing. Well, that didn't pan out. Perhaps we should try Guam or Iceland?

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at November 04, 2006 02:48 PM (Dd86v)

66 Last Gulp Larry:
 
If the Chinese are so smart, why cant they purify their drinking water?

China is a regional bully that tries to intimidate, dominate, and destabilize its neighbors. It is busy annexing all the territory it can and it swindles every country foolish enough to do business with it. It created the menace in North korea. It would be interesting to see what kind of acts it commits if it ever stops showing so much "restraint."

If you're going to paste the same comments over and over, try to come up with something intelligent. Your "ego driven" drivel was fatuous the first time you wrote it.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 04, 2006 04:34 PM (bLPT+)

67 What happened to the 38 C hooters?

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 05, 2006 12:51 AM (cNF2m)

68 Thank you, Lion. We'll all be sure to surf those links you were too stupid to imbed. When I say thank you, I mean thank you for failing to imbed them. I'd hate to accidentally click on a live one. 

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 05, 2006 09:21 AM (bLPT+)

69 God help whoever has to deal with Jeff Bargholz on a daily basis, for any reason whatsoever.

Posted by: Gleep! at November 05, 2006 10:24 AM (a7sMc)

70 Creep:

You don't believe in God, hypocrite. No wonder he doesn't help you.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 05, 2006 01:50 PM (bLPT+)

71 Seriously folks, just shoot yourself in the head before you have to utter even a word to Bungholz. Strange as it seems, you'll be glad you did. And make sure you know where your kids are when he's near.

Posted by: Gleep! at November 05, 2006 02:44 PM (a7sMc)

72 Creep:

For someone who claims she doesn't want to deal with me, you just cant stop doing it. I've always had that affect on women, but you're not my type.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 06, 2006 02:04 AM (bLPT+)

73 retty much nothing seems worth thinking about. My life's been completely dull , not that it matters. I've just been staying at home waiting for something to happen.

Posted by: TramadoL53144 at December 25, 2006 01:21 PM (VCi2K)

74 I just don't have anything to say right now. I haven't been up to anything recently, but it's not important. I've just been sitting around waiting for something to happen, but shrug.

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75 I've just been staying at home not getting anything done. I've basically been doing nothing worth mentioning. My life's been pretty unremarkable these days. Eh.

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76 I haven't been up to much lately. I've basically been doing nothing , but it's not important. I can't be bothered with anything recently. I've just been letting everything happen without me lately.

Posted by: TramadoL37605 at December 26, 2006 10:15 PM (w89DO)

77 I just don't have anything to say , but shrug. So it goes. Not much on my mind recently. I can't be bothered with anything recently.

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78 I haven't gotten anything done recently. I've just been hanging out doing nothing. I haven't been up to anything these days, but it's not important. Today was a total loss.

Posted by: TramadoL81837 at December 27, 2006 11:23 PM (Z0/EN)

79 I just don't have anything to say. Not that it matters. Eh. I've just been staying at home doing nothing, but I don't care. That's how it is.

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80 My life's been basically bland today. More or less nothing seems worth thinking about. My mind is like an empty room. I've more or less been doing nothing to speak of. Not much on my mind recently.

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86 My mind is like a bunch of nothing, but I guess it doesn't bother me. I haven't been up to anything recently. I've pretty much been doing nothing to speak of.

Posted by: Sten44130 at December 31, 2006 11:31 PM (d6X7e)

87 I just don't have much to say recently. Such is life. I've basically been doing nothing. Basically nothing seems worth bothering with. Oh well.

Posted by: Sten56214 at January 02, 2007 01:14 AM (L/+vq)

88 Not much on my mind. I don't care. I've just been letting everything happen without me , but shrug. Whatever. I feel like a void.

Posted by: TramadoL18636 at January 03, 2007 12:53 PM (brsLG)

89 My life's been pretty dull recently. Shrug. My mind is like a void. I haven't gotten anything done lately. I can't be bothered with anything recently.

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90 I haven't been up to anything today. I don't care. I've just been staying at home not getting anything done. Basically not much happening right now. Maybe tomorrow. I guess it doesn't bother me.

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91 I haven't been up to anything these days. So it goes. I can't be bothered with anything these days.

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One of the major problems we had in this war was that we did not destroy our enemies when we had the chance. It was true in Fallujah and it was true in Sadr city. It may be too late to ice Muqtada al Sadr, but I sure like the sentiment.

Jules Crittenden in the Boston Herald:

What should have been done long ago. Demonstrate that sectarian thuggery is not the future of Iraq. With or without al-Maliki’s cooperation, call Moqtada al-Sadr in his game of chicken. Provoke a fight with his forces, and destroy them. If Moqtada al-Sadr, the leader of unlawful combat forces, should die with them, so much the better. As the power currently responsible for security and stability in Iraq, it falls to the United States to favorably influence the behavior of elements seeking to find advantage in sectarian violence, or eliminate them. Iran and its proxies must be shown they cannot call the tune in Iraq. Iraqi politicians, as veteran survivors, must be shown that pandering to murderers is not a viable route to securing their own futures.

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