November 23, 2006

Democrats Already Effective.

After the Democrats won in November, I wondered just how long it would take for their influence to see real world results.

NYT Via AP: BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- Sunni Muslim insurgents blew up five car bombs and fired mortars into Baghdad's largest Shiite district Thursday, killing at least 161 people and wounding 257 in a dramatic attack that sent the U.S. ambassador racing to meet with Iraqi leaders in an effort to contain the growing sectarian war.

Shiite mortar teams quickly retaliated, firing 10 shells at Sunni Islam's most important shrine in Baghdad, badly damaging the Abu Hanifa mosque and killing one person. Eight more rounds slammed down near the offices of the Association of Muslim Scholars, the top Sunni Muslim organization in Iraq, setting nearby houses on fire.

Two other mortar barrages on Sunni neighborhoods in west Baghdad killed nine and wounded 21, police said late Thursday.

Contrary to the Lefties argument that our presence in Iraq creates more violence, the terrorist’s morale and appetite for the blood of innocents has only been heightened by the anticipation of a US withdrawal promised by Nancy Pelosi.

Good job Democrats. You've really turned things around for Iraq.

Update: I've er, uh, received a lot of feedback over this post. See email below the fold.

Hat Tip: Bluto


I just want to thank you for calling out that stupid bitch NoFear over at
Jawa. I'm so sick of the bullshit comments she's been posting (along with
PD, but he's another story). They kill me how they're so proud of them
damn selves for attempting to interrupt the forum. And they act like
they're so morally upstanding and offended when they're called names, but
if you go check NewsHounds, they react the same way to anyone who disagrees
with their points of view. So, they're liars and hypocrites. I tried to
call them out twice and expose them for what they are, but I'm not so good
at it. So, thank you.

I may not agree with everything that goes up on Jawa, and you and I have
disagreed once, but I go into it with an open mind. I'm a proud
conservative and a proud American. It's a shame that people aren't proud
of their country anymore.

Thank you, for being a proud American and for helping expose the bullshit.

Heh,Reader love mail that really is.

Posted by: Howie at 06:08 PM | Comments (158) | Add Comment
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1 Contrary to the Lefties argument that our presence in Iraq creates more violence, the terrorist’s morale and appetite for the blood of innocents has only been heightened by the anticipation of a US withdrawal promised by Nancy Pelosi.

Good job Democrats. You've really turned things around for Iraq.


Violence continues in Iraq, and your reaction is "the lefties argument"? "Nancy Pelosi"? "Good job Democrats"?

And to think I clicked over to read insightful analysis. Ugh.

Posted by: verb at November 23, 2006 08:39 PM (T16pT)

2 This "news" is just further proof that our presence in Iraq protects NOBODY.  There is not one shred of evidence that American forces in Iraq are able to protect a single Iraqi civilian from violence.
 
If we are not there to stop the chaos --because we don't, if we are not there to stop the violence -- because we can't and we aren't there to protect the Iraqi's from themselves--which this kind of news demonstrates we are incapable of doing then it's time to leave.
 
We can't even claim the Iraqi's need us because it's crystal clear that we can do nothing for them.  Our continuing presence makes them collaborators and marked for death. 
 
We serve no purpose other than creating death and destruction.  The last throes was months and months ago. 
 
If I had wanted to see the military defeated I would have voted Republican in the last election
 
 These kids are just sitting ducks in a  shooting gallery.  Phased withdrawl.......NOW!

Posted by: civilbehavior at November 23, 2006 09:54 PM (SmTxA)

3 The coward above me cracks me up.
You're gutless, heartless, and should move off US soil.
To think, men and women put their asses on the line for scum like you.
By the way, in case you think I'm being harsh, you should be aware that I'm holding back telling you what I really think since this isn't my house.



Posted by: dick at November 23, 2006 10:56 PM (jfHrV)

4 just further proof that our presence in Iraq protects NOBODY.

The only thing an absolute statement like that proves is that your an
absolute moron. Most of the provinces are peaceful and I suspect at
least one person lives there.

If I had wanted to see the military defeated

I would suspect you have wanted that from the start.


Posted by: Randman at November 23, 2006 11:45 PM (Sal3J)

5 Phased withdrawl.......NOW!

Translated:  head for the hills!!!

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 24, 2006 01:35 AM (8e/V4)

6 P.O.E.
O.P.E.
We have a coal mine gap!!!!!!

Posted by: REMF at November 24, 2006 05:42 AM (7RMSi)

7 C'mon Howie. You Know it's all Bush's fault. He blew up the towers!! He also made vanilla ice-cream taste different from what you remember as a child. He is Omnimipatimptapimped!!

Posted by: REMF at November 24, 2006 05:53 AM (7RMSi)

8 You're a moron.

Posted by: Trees at November 24, 2006 06:08 AM (f6/q9)

9 I saw read this last night. I thought you'd all like to see it. I know it's a little early for it,but so what.



A Different Christmas Poem


The embers glowed softly, and in their dim light,
I gazed round the room and I cherished the sight.
My wife was asleep, her head on my chest,
My daughter beside me, angelic in rest.
Outside the snow fell, a blanket of white,
Transforming the yard to a winter delight.
The sparkling lights in the tree I believe,
Completed the magic that was Christmas Eve.
My eyelids were heavy, my breathing was deep,
Secure and surrounded by love I would sleep.
In perfect contentment, or so it would seem,
So I slumbered, perhaps I started to dream.


The sound wasn't loud, and it wasn't too near,
But I opened my eyes when it tickled my ear.
Perhaps just a cough, I didn't quite know,
Then the sure sound of footsteps outside in the snow.
My soul gave a tremble, I struggled to hear,
And I crept to the door just to see who was near.
Standing out in the cold and the dark of the night,
A lone figure stood, his face weary and tight.


A soldier, I puzzled, some twenty years old,
Perhaps a Marine, huddled here in the cold.
Alone in the dark, he looked up and smiled,
Standing watch over me, and my wife and my child.
"What are you doing?" I asked without fear,
"Come in this moment, it's freezing out here!
Put down your pack, brush the snow from your sleeve,
You should be at home on a cold Christmas Eve!"


For barely a moment I saw his eyes shift,
Away from the cold and the snow blown in drifts..
To the window that danced with a warm fire's light
Then he sighed and he said "Its really all right,
I'm out here by choice. I'm here every night."


"It's my duty to stand at the front of the line,
That separates you from the darkest of times.
No one had to ask or beg or implore me,
I'm proud to stand here like my fathers before me.
My Gramps died at 'Pearl on a day in December,"
Then he sighed, "That's a Christmas 'Gram always remembers."
My dad stood his watch in the jungles of 'Nam',
And now it is my turn and so, here I am.
I've not seen my own son in more than a while,
But my wife sends me pictures, he's sure got her smile.


Then he bent and he carefully pulled from his bag,
The red, white, and blue... an American flag.
I can live through the cold and the being alone,
Away from my family, my house and my home.
I can stand at my post through the rain and the sleet,
I can sleep in a foxhole with little to eat.
I can carry the weight of killing another,
Or lay down my life with my sister and brother..
Who stand at the front against any and all,
To ensure for all time that this flag will not fall."


"So go back inside," he said, "harbor no fright,
Your family is waiting and I'll be all right."
"But isn't there something I can do, at the least,
"Give you money," I asked, "or prepare you a feast?
It seems all too little for all that you've done,
For being away from your wife and your son."


Then his eye welled a tear that held no regret,
"Just tell us you love us, and never forget.
To fight for our rights back at home while we're gone,
To stand your own watch, no matter how long.
For when we come home, either standing or dead,
To know you remember we fought and we bled.
Is payment enough, and with that we will trust,
That we mattered to you as you mattered to us."





Posted by: No Fear at November 24, 2006 06:17 AM (MPCBF)

10

Attribution:
LCDR Jeff Giles, SC, USN
30th Naval Construction Regiment
OIC, Logistics Cell One
Al Taqqadum, Iraq


I don't know if he wrote it or forwarded it; if someone knows please let's give credit where it's due.


Posted by: No Fear at November 24, 2006 06:21 AM (MPCBF)

11 God bless you, No Fear.  Thanks for posting that.

Posted by: REMF at November 24, 2006 06:47 AM (7RMSi)

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Posted by: REMF at November 24, 2006 06:58 AM (7RMSi)

13 Iraq is in a state of civil war. Reported deaths yesterday were 144 (and counting.) We have been in Iraq as long as we were in WWII. Chart American deaths over the years and you will see they have been steadily ramping up all under Republican tenure.

Suppose the civilian toll of 144 was Nancy P's fault. (I missed the facts to support that, but OK.) We have 2900 American fatalities, and about 500,000 civilian deaths, by the only scientific estimate there is. All those happened while there was a Rep administration and Congress. (I presume
that you don't blame liberal activist judges). So that's YOUR fault, I presume.

Bush framed it in the election - stay the course or cut and run. That's not hard. I'm a vet and I don't like seeing soldiers squandered in an unwinable war. There is no enemy capitol, no enemy army you can locate and engage, 70% of the folks we are 'helping' want us to leave. The world views this as a war of aggression for oil; we are held in contempt around the globe.

I have never been so proud to vote in my life and I am a 'Nam era vet. I voted Dem; I voted to end this abortion in Iraq.

Posted by: Doug Hughes at November 24, 2006 08:44 AM (uy3W4)

14 No matter what course we take, in Iraq, now there will be continuing violence as the various religious factions continue to kill each other.

There is no longer a strong central secular government, as there was under Saddam, to keep the religious fundamentalism in check.

We will have replaced Saddam's government with a Shia Muslim fundamentalist one, controlled by Syria and Iran.

Islamic law will be in full force and Suni muslims will become second class citizens in the new Iraq.

Am I really a defeatist or a realist?

This fiasco has made the world a more dangerous place, giving our enemies even more power than they had before.

And we have President Moron and his supporters to thank for it.

Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 24, 2006 08:52 AM (ATuKe)

15 "Yes…yes…the trouble in Iraq has nothing to do with the commander in chief who has been in power for the last six years and every thing do with the Democrats who will take power in another month. Finally somebody has the courage to say it.

Posted by: herbtronix at November 24, 2006 09:46 AM"

LOL!!!!

You needed a smiley face or a sarchasm disclaimer on your post, as some (if not all) of these morons will think you are being serious.

The "trouble" in Iraq is the Democrats' fault.

Yeah, it was those damned Democrats that got us into a war that we can't win.

But President Moron has his "secret" plan for victory in Iraq.

It is so secret, that even his staff won't let him in on it, since he has such a history of leaking classified information.

Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 24, 2006 09:05 AM (tkJ6v)

16 I know you want us to surrender and withdraw right now because you enjoy watching your pets,the innocent and unfortunate, die in a bloodbath you fucking leftards.

If you say we need to leave because of the violence the enemy will damn sure provide you with some   Idiots.
I've been taking about the need for the new Democratic leadership to rebuke the terrorists glee. They didn't and the ememy smells weakness and oppurtunity. So they went out and murdered innocent civilians like they always do to add more pressure. So you thought they might let up if it looked like we might leave? Fools! No, they up the ante to make damn sure we do leave. Over 200 people are dead and I'm fucking pissed. *&^%(*^) f&*king morons Shut the hell up, you've done enough.

Posted by: Darth Odie at November 24, 2006 09:17 AM (YdcZ0)

17 "The Syrians play this game where they have been waiting for the Americans to get weaker in Iraq. Now with the Democrat's win paving the way for an American withdrawal and with Rumsfeld's resignation making a statement, the Syrians believe they have the upper hand in the region to retake Lebanon." -- Walid Jumblatt, leader of Lebanon's Progressive Socialist Party
Link here.

Posted by: Speaking for the Choir at November 24, 2006 09:26 AM (HSkSw)

18

Yes…yes…the trouble in Iraq has nothing to do with the commander in chief who has been in power for the last six years and every thing do with the Democrats who will take power in another month.  Finally somebody has the courage to say it.


 

Bravo!@!!

Posted by: herbtronix at November 24, 2006 09:46 AM (qA1J/)

19


Still waiting for the ledturds to build the wall and bring the troops home as they promised during their big lie to American and the world. As I said before the moronic dems and their followers will escaltate the war. Why? Because the talk like sissys and act like sissys. If patriotic Americans can see this so can the muslims. The terrorists don't need sleeper cells. They have puddleduck, Greg and John Ryan. All who should receive the death penalty for the aid and support they give the enemy.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 24, 2006 10:18 AM (AUElp)

20  I know you want us to surrender and withdraw right now because you enjoy watching your pets,the innocent and unfortunate, die in a bloodbath you fucking leftards. Posted by: Darth Odie at November 24, 2006 09:17 AM
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You don't, you can't really believe that statement. That statement is just about the most offensive one I have read so far in the time I've been here. It's wrong on so many levels I don't  know where to begin.
First of all, we leftards don't want to see anyone die. Our side or there's. No more journalists, no more civilians, no more of our troops. No more. No more.

We are mired down, just like Nam. There is no graceful way out. No real solution. And no way to win.
I was for going into Afganistan. Find the fucker and diffuse him. We were making headway.
The next thing I knew, it was WTF. Why in the name of who ever are we going into Iraq. But I had little to say about it. 
Time has passed, and here we are.
Stay or leave. I say leave. They have the resources they need to carry on.
Let them settle their differences. Blood will be spilled and people will die.As in Nam.
It's time for us to go.

 


Posted by: No Fear at November 24, 2006 10:53 AM (ZQepB)

21 Oh, and btw...I don't want to see any more Halicheney guys get beheaded either.

Posted by: No Fear at November 24, 2006 11:05 AM (ZQepB)

22 "That statement is just about the most offensive one I have read so far
in the time I've been here. It's wrong on so many levels I don't  know
where to begin"

Why thank you very much.


I suggest that if you want to see less people die you might want to try fighting the murderers.

Posted by: Darth Odie at November 24, 2006 11:08 AM (YdcZ0)

23 I thought that was why we were in Afganistan.

Posted by: No Fear at November 24, 2006 11:20 AM (ZQepB)

24 Nice technique, No Fear, pretending that you give two shits in a flying rat's ass about the sacrifices of our servicemen, then following up with posts trying to devalue those same sacrifices as ersatz vet Piddlelick plays bad cop.

 Yes, the jihadis sense the impending stampede that Dem control of Congress makes much more likely. And the jihadis have thousands of accomplices inside America with creatures like No Fear and Piddles. Good post, Howie.


Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 24, 2006 11:35 AM (vBK4C)

25 Darth Odie: why would No Fear want to fight the murderers? They're the source of MSM/DNC political power right now. So what if their propaganda costs the lives of fellow Americans? It's all about control.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 24, 2006 11:37 AM (vBK4C)

26 My god - there is no limit to rightard stupidity! (Hint: the new congress won't even convene until January. The rethugs still own this war - it's their failure, their screw-up.)

Posted by: Ray Dobson at November 24, 2006 11:43 AM (gyNYk)

27 Mr. Bluto, please go back to Are We Winning In Iraq. Please read what i have said.

The truth is, PD and I really don't talk to eack other all that much. He has his way, I have mine.
In fact we don't always agree. I am not going to be drawn into this arguement again.
Or let you use it against me.

I really would like to ask you a sincere question. You don't have to answer, but I respect you point of view.
Do you believe that dissent and debate are a basic princible of democracy? Do you or do you not believe democracy as it was granted to us is based on this?
 

Posted by: No Fear at November 24, 2006 11:52 AM (ZQepB)

28 I believe that honest dissent and debate are vital to democracy. That's why I make a point of fingering dishonest people such as yourself and Piddlelick, whose real goal is to subvert debate.

 I have read the bullshit you wrote at the other post, but now you're trying to obfuscate on this post.


Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 24, 2006 12:01 PM (vBK4C)

29 Btw, NF, I've posted a new CENTCOM roundup. You and Piddlelick need to get busy "refuting" it by trying to explain what POSs all of our soldiers are. You know, your usual technique.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 24, 2006 12:04 PM (vBK4C)

30 How have I been dishonest? How have I subverted debate?

I have stayed on topic. You sir, have brought this off topic. We were doing fine until your post. We were debating. You are the one who said I was subverting debate.
Show me where I have gone wrong this time.

Posted by: No Fear at November 24, 2006 12:09 PM (ZQepB)

31

Who's "we?" You're a hostile jihadi tool from an anti-American liberal forum (yes, using "anti-American" and "liberal" as descriptors is pretty much a tautology). Do you really think that no one notices that every post you made about our armed forces was negative...until I called you on it? That's the reason you cynically posted the Christmas poem. To provide cover for yourself. And you use the claim of a son in Iraq as cover, too, while you trash American soldiers. Do you have any idea how despicable you are?


Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 24, 2006 12:25 PM (vBK4C)

32 Howie let's blame the mess in Iraq on TED KENNEDY !
Howie really is this all the fault of the Democrats ?
Blaming the Democrats for this mess is like saying that the Republicans care nothing for the American men and women at risk over there.
Howie our country deserves better analysis of the situation in Iraq than simply blaming the problems over there on the political party that has not had power since this thing started.

Posted by: John Ryan at November 24, 2006 12:30 PM (TcoRJ)

33 You will be recieveing a e-mail from my son. If you are a man, you will post it. He is following this, he's pissed. You will apoligize and we will expose you for the bastard you are. Run you ficker. RUN!!!

Posted by: No Fear at November 24, 2006 12:31 PM (ZQepB)

34

That's FUCKER. You are ...the is no word for what you are.


Posted by: No Fear at November 24, 2006 12:33 PM (ZQepB)

35 If I wanted to "shut you up" or "shut you down" I'd just delete your comments. I think it's more effective to expose your bullshit. I have no patience with people, such as yourself, who believe that American troops are basically evil. One post praising them (and not even written by you) among the ones you have made calling them war criminals does nothing more than expose you as a manipulative "winter soldier" weasel.

 


Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 24, 2006 12:42 PM (vBK4C)

36 Well no I don't see how Evan Byah is to blame but Pelosi is your leader. I've effing begged for the Dems to say something, anything, I don't care what to show they won't lay down to the grinning murdering terrorists.  I tried the please Mr. Democrat they are sahying they won. they are going to kill people like crazy (becaasue they said they would, think of terrorists like a predator if you wnat to understand them so much). The Dems didn't say shit .  Now I feel its no coincidence that the largest attack on civilians ever in the war in Iraq has occured now following your(nancy's) promise to abandon Iraq. So asking you nicely didn't work and 250 people are dean and another 250 hurt. Welcome to power! You get to share the blame now too. And being the minority party does not mean NO power. 

It't this thought that causes you to sell out America seeking power. We the Republicans will do well with minority power because we'll use it rather than sit around feeling sorry for ourselves.

Posted by: Darth Odie at November 24, 2006 12:43 PM (YdcZ0)

37 As for whether your son exists, and is serving in Iraq, you've done nothing but make the assertion. Anyone can do that on the internet, anyone at all. I'm calling you on it, because you use him, IF HE EXISTS, as cover for posting anti-American, anti-troops posts.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 24, 2006 12:44 PM (vBK4C)

38 Oh god I'm going to get an email?  I'm trembling.  And if it's good I'll post it.

Posted by: Darth Odie at November 24, 2006 12:50 PM (YdcZ0)

39 I have never said my son is serving in Iraq. He's in Germany. But he is in service for our country. Does that make him smaller in your eyes?
 

Posted by: No Fear at November 24, 2006 01:02 PM (ZQepB)

40 Ya know what, I don't have to prove a fucking thing to you, and my son doesn't. AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU ARE NOTHING TO OUR FAMILY.
 
You are internet bullies. Forget about the e-mail. He has nothing to prove to you and neither do I. Prove To Me you are more than I say you are
.
GIVE ME YOR SERVICE RECORD.
GIVE TO ME A REASON TO BELIEVE ANY FUCKING THING YOU SAY.
GREY...!!
I WANT PICTURES OF YOUR THANKGIVING CHARITY!!!
 
PROVE TO ME YOU ALL ARE WHAT YOU SAY YOU ARE!!!

Then my son will speak to you.
 
He still trusts my judgement and lets me handle my own affairs.

Posted by: No Fear at November 24, 2006 01:10 PM (ZQepB)

41 I still would like to know where it was I went off topic. Until you showed up.
Be a man. Show me where, prove TO ME and EVERYONE ELSE how insincere I am.
YOU PROVE THE NEGITIVE.
 Go ahead we'll wait.

Posted by: No Fear at November 24, 2006 01:14 PM (ZQepB)

42 You come to our house to sow disinformation about our "evil" troops and we're "internet bullies?" Throw a liplock on my lower left nut. I don't care a whit whether or not you believe anything I write, you're not my audience; in fact, you're the face of the enemy.

And again, who's "we?" Most of the people who come to this blog support America and especially her troops. A small group of tools come here to try to disrupt Jawa's message. That lets us know that we're being effective.


Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 24, 2006 01:26 PM (vBK4C)

43 No Fear: That's nice he lets you out by yourself like that.
Damn! a piece of reader love mail I'll never get to frame.

Posted by: Darth Odie at November 24, 2006 01:32 PM (YdcZ0)

44 John:
Kind of fixated on Ted Kennedy aren't you, you posted the same line over at my place 3 days ago.

For the rest of you lefties, you've posted some good "OMFGWTF Right-Wing-Fascists!!11!!1" comments so far, try and stay on the med's 'eh?

The Democratic-Socialist Party are by and large terrorist-enablers, their victory in the House and Senate was seen as a positive thing by Jihadi's world wide. Don't bother disputing it, you know it's true, Al-Qeada, Hamas, Hizbullah, Iran, Islamic Army in Iraq... they've all made public statements to the mass media stating their approval of the Democrats success.

Posted by: blackflag at November 24, 2006 01:39 PM (Mq5jS)

45 I see... It's all the Democrats fault all the time.

Funny! I could have sworn that the Republicans were in charge in the past six years... Curious! I could have sworn that the Democrats won't actually take over until January 2007...

Yet, it's all their fault.

The shock of the mid-term elections was clearly too much for Jawa: he is experiencing a total meltdown.

Posted by: Devil's Advocate at November 24, 2006 02:03 PM (6R/FO)

46 Why is it that all those warmongering Bush cultists are in the U.S. and not in Iraq? Could it be that they are really a bunch of cowards?

Hey Davec,

You are just a literate as His AWOLness Dumbya:"Why did Saddam commission a Quran WROTE in his own blood?" WROTE?

Posted by: Devil's Advocate at November 24, 2006 02:09 PM (6R/FO)

47 Saddam’s regime was secular enough for Osama bin Laden to call for his overthrow on that very basis.

Saddam manipulated religious tendencies like any skilled politician does, but his government was far from Islamic. He was a socialist.

Posted by: herbtronix at November 24, 2006 02:16 PM (qA1J/)

48 "Btw, NF, I've posted a new CENTCOM roundup. You and Piddlelick need to get busy "refuting" it by trying to explain what POSs all of our soldiers are. You know, your usual technique.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 24, 2006 12:04 PM"

I don't have to read your Centcom thread to know that there have been some successes in Iraq.

The only problem is that the successes are heavily outweighed by the failures.

And that's why you don't hear the "happy Iraq" news anymore, not even on Fox News.

No Fear -

You are going to have to work extra hard to regain the love and respect, that I have gained on this site.

And just remember...only Republicans serve their country.

Liberals, and their offspring are liars if they suggest that they have served in the military.

I'll bet that 99.9% of the people, here, that suggest that your son, is not in the military, have never done any service for their country.

A current soldier or vet, would not question another vet's service.

Even if these guys were proven wrong, they wouldn't apologize, since they have no respect for themselves or for those serving in the military, now or for those who have served, in the past.

In every post, related, to the military, they either degrade our soldiers, or accuse us of degrading our soldiers.

They have no shame.

Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 24, 2006 02:21 PM (wqOw1)

49 davec -

I guess we just get our facts from different sources.

Mine are based in reality, as yours are based in fantasy.

"There is no longer a strong central secular government, as there was under Saddam, to keep the religious fundamentalism in check.

Puddle duck, that is an idiotic statement: how does a minority religious body (Sunni) receive all the medical/humanitarian supplies, all the jobs in authority, such as the Police, and Military while the majority Shia Muslims do not? Simple: because dictator Saddam was a Sunni Muslim.
Why did Saddam add a religious statement to the national flag after the Gulf War?
Why did Saddam commission a Quran wrote in his own blood?
Secular, are you blind?
Posted by: davec at November 24, 2006 02:40 PM"

"An Islamic Republic of Iraq?
By Roger Hardy
BBC Middle East analyst

Iraqi Shia leader Abdul Aziz al-Hakim
Many Shia leaders want to mould Iraq into a religious state.

Is Iraq moving, inch by inch, towards becoming an Islamic republic? it is a prospect that is as unsettling for many Iraqis as it is for George Bush in the White House.

Under Saddam Hussein, Iraq was a centralised and largely secular state.

Now, if the Shia religious parties get their way, it will be a decentralised state with a pronounced Islamic identity.

The draft of the new constitution describes Islam as "a main source" of legislation and stipulates that no law may contradict Islamic principles.

It also says a group of provinces is entitled to form a "region", which can then expect a specified share of the national budget.

Federalism

All this amounts to a radical change, and inevitably it is arousing strong passions.

The two groups who dominate the new Iraq - the Kurds and the Shia religious parties - have an obvious interest in breaking with the past.


Iraq's Sunni neighbours find all of this troubling. The fear is that a weak multi-ethnic, multi-confessional state will go the way of Lebanon in the 1970s and 1980s - and descend into civil war.

The Kurds want to cement, and if possible extend, the autonomy they have enjoyed in the north for over a decade.

The Shia religious parties want to reverse the secularising policies of Saddam, and they want the mainly Shia south to get a bigger slice of the area's oil wealth.

Some Shia are even calling for a "super-region" stretching from Baghdad to the border with Kuwait and embracing the country's biggest oilfields.

This kind of federalism - with an autonomous Kurdistan in the north and a big oil-rich Shia "region" in the south - leaves the minority Sunni Arabs appalled.

They fear being left with a rump mini-state bereft of oil. They also fear the eventual break-up of the country.

At the same time, secular-minded Iraqis - whether Sunni, Shia or Kurd - are deeply concerned about the direction the country is taking.

In many ways, Iraq is already dramatically different from the place it was just a few years ago.

Mixed marriages between Sunni and Shia, once taken for granted, are becoming problematic.

In many parts of the country, women dare not walk bare-headed in the street.

And reports from parts of the lawless north-west paint a grim picture of Taleban-style rule by radical Sunni militants.

Worried neighbours

Iraq's Sunni neighbours find all of this troubling.

There is no tradition in the Arab world of a successful decentralised state.

The fear is that a weak multi-ethnic, multi-confessional state will go the way of Lebanon in the 1970s and 1980s - and descend into civil war.

Sunni rulers in Riyadh, Amman, Cairo and elsewhere believe the one country to benefit from the disintegration of Iraq is Shia Iran.

George Bush, meanwhile, is faced with some unpalatable choices.

He is determined to stick to a tight political timetable which would enable him to start withdrawing US troops from Iraq next year.

But will his rush to come up with an "exit strategy" force him to abandon the aspiration to create a modern secular democracy out of the ashes of the Saddam dictatorship?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4177266.stm

Is there anyone here, besides davec, that doesn't understand that Iraq was a secular state, before we took him out and that a fundamentalist muslim state will now be created and controlled by Shia muslims and that Iran and Syria will be running the country?

Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 24, 2006 02:37 PM (wqOw1)

50 here is no longer a strong central secular government, as there was under Saddam, to keep the religious fundamentalism in check.

Puddle duck, that is an idiotic statement: how does a minority religious body (Sunni) receive all the medical/humanitarian supplies, all the jobs in authority, such as the Police, and Military while the majority Shia Muslims do not? Simple: because dictator Saddam was a Sunni Muslim.
Why did Saddam add a religious statement to the national flag after the Gulf War?
Why did Saddam commission a Quran wrote in his own blood?
Secular, are you blind?

Posted by: davec at November 24, 2006 02:40 PM (QkWqQ)

51 Oyster -

You and the rest of your buds, need to come to a stark realization.

The terrorists, as with most of the people around the world, were not celebrating the Democrats' victory.

They were celebrating the defeat of the world's 2nd worst terrorist - President Moron.

Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 24, 2006 02:44 PM (wqOw1)

52 Brain Dead Pundit Bloated -

If you're not happy about the news, as presented in the MSM, why don't you and your buds start a letter writing campaign to Fox News.

Maybe they just need a little nudge to start presenting the "happy" news in Iraq.

They used to talk about it, but somehow they have gotten away from all the good news.

Most of their time is spent, now trying to bash democrats.

Could it be that Fox News is suppressing the good Iraq news?

Watch out, Oyster!! Darth has a jar of vaseline and is coming for you.

Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 24, 2006 02:51 PM (wqOw1)

53 Oh yeah, when I’m looking for hard hitting and unbiased news about the war in Iraq I go straight to CENTCOM.

If the MSM would just report what the government tells them and nothing else everything would be different over there.

Posted by: herbtronix at November 24, 2006 02:58 PM (qA1J/)

54 Why do my comments keep appearing way back in the threads, before the comments that I’m responding to?

Posted by: herbtronix at November 24, 2006 03:01 PM (qA1J/)

55 The ridiculousness is with those who mindlessly support the powerful insiders who run the show for their own selfish benefit. Islamofascists, corporatists, fundamentalists, commies, and other cultists.. - mindlessly supporting the trickster whose only real love is power.

Regular, normal folks all around the world want pretty much the same stuff. Peace. Freedom. Stability. Security. It's a shame so many of the normals are so dang gullible.

Posted by: nimrod at November 24, 2006 03:12 PM (JEnQb)

56 The ridiculousness is with those who mindlessly support the powerful insiders who run the show for their own selfish benefit. Islamofascists, corporatists, fundamentalists, commies, and other cultists.. - mindlessly supporting the trickster whose only real love is power.

Regular, normal folks all around the world want pretty much the same stuff. Peace. Freedom. Stability. Security. It's a shame so many of the normals are so dang gullible.

Posted by: nimrod at November 24, 2006 03:12 PM (JEnQb)

57 Devil's advocate:  It's not all the Democrats' fault.  It the terrorists fault and we all know that.



Yet, Howie's post isn't any more ridiculous than the media reporting
the day after elections that the stock market closed at a new high and
making a correlation between that and the Democrat victory.  The
stock market had been closing at al time highs for a while.



I's no more ridiculous than blaming Bush for high gas prices without giving him credit for the plummeting prices.



It's no more ridiculous than many Democrats putting so much stock in
what the Islamists in the Middle East think of us then when the same
Islamists cheer a Democrat victory in the election, they say they don't
give a damn what they think.



There's a lot of ridiculousness everywhere.

Posted by: Oyster at November 24, 2006 03:14 PM (SCVhh)

58 And, once again, I'll point out to Piddlelick that this new CENTOM Roundup covers only one day. Isn't it amazing that each of the networks has the time to cover the TomKat wedding, and NBC could carry nightly Katrina updates for six months...yet none of them have ever covered even one of these daily reports from CENTCOM? The MSM stops reading CENTCOM at the casualty reports. 

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 24, 2006 03:41 PM (vBK4C)

59 Thank's for the comment Oyster.  You tell em.

Posted by: Darth Odie at November 24, 2006 03:43 PM (YdcZ0)

60 Puddleduck, this is the last time I'll address you.  You are dead
to me as your sophomoric rantings.  While you sit there in your
basement, working yourself into a lather over such childish missives
rest assured you are being heartily laughed at for your total lack of
comprehension of the world around you and your unfettered ignorance.

Posted by: Oyster at November 24, 2006 04:14 PM (SCVhh)

61  The Democrats have not turned "really turned things around" You make it seem that things were going well up until Nov 7th. The situation in Iraq is bad and getting worse.
This  is not under the control of the Democrats.
No one has either a plan to win OR to get us out of there.Quite frankly I don't think that the Democratic congress is going to do much about Iraq. Foreign policy is  under the control of the Executive Branch. George Bush will have another 2 years as an increasingly lame duck. By the time his second term is over I would expect to see the total US casualties at about 5000 and the situation at least as chaotic as it is today.

Posted by: John Ryan at November 24, 2006 04:57 PM (TcoRJ)

62 The Dems began "turning things around" long before the election, with the aid of their accomplices in the news media, who acted as cheerleaders for the jihadis, printed classified information that endangered our troops, and did their level best to separate Iraq from the War on Terror, even though tens of thousands of al Qaeda were busy dying in Iraq.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 24, 2006 05:35 PM (vBK4C)

63 Puddlefuckstick,
you're still alive? Hey, are you still a vet? Or are you going a different route this time?
No Fear? You crack me up!
Did you really call the guys who run this site bullies? You're shittin' me, right?

"You are internet bullies."

Yep, I suppose ya did.
Let me ask you folks one simple question.
Knowing you can't change our minds on what we believe, why do you bother? Are you that confused, or were you dropped on your heads as children?
You do realize that you're only here to start a fight, don't you?
I find it humorous that you'll fight on the net, but when it comes to placing your asses in the grass, you're cowards.

Posted by: dick at November 24, 2006 05:45 PM (jfHrV)

64 Wow
What a bunch of total fucking idiots!!
Everyone of the morons posting here on both sides have shown what is wrong with our democracy;
It is in the hands of complete and total fucking idiots who have a combined IQ less than the length of my penis.

When your ready to be adults and fix the FUCKING MESS, let us in the real world know. Losers.....

Posted by: Dman at November 24, 2006 05:54 PM (BRbWV)

65 Knowing you can't change our minds on what we believe, why do you bother?

Because it's good to remind all of you now and again that, no matter what your Jawa name, you are all truly dicks.

Posted by: 99320 at November 24, 2006 06:02 PM (a7sMc)

66 Wow...I can not believe how cultist Republicans have seem to become.

If you disagree with Republicans, you immediately:

Hate America
Love terrorists
Love killing innocents
A terrorist yourself

Does anyone see how ridiculous this is?

This people are advocating war for how long? And for what?

We've lost 3,000 soldiers...how many more must we lose before we're 'safe'? And what will it take to make our country 'safe'?

These people are insisting we cut off the hand to deal with the infected finger.

Honestly, Bush could start bombing Mid-East countries with nukes indiscriminately and neocons everywhere would cry out with glee.

Posted by: LnGrrrR at November 24, 2006 06:09 PM (VOuIj)

67 dick: they come here because they fear the truth, and instinctively seek to suppress it. It's a libby thing, you wouldn't understand.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 24, 2006 06:31 PM (vBK4C)

68 DPB, granted, they're fun to kick around, but they get tiring, especially when it's be well publicized the only reason they show up here is for a fight.
Also, No Fear cracked me up with the ...

"You sir are a fascist.

fascism WriteDictionaryPronObjectTag("152", "21",
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"fascism"); fas·cism [ fá shìzzəm ] or Fas·cism [ fá shìzzəm ]



noun 



Definition:

 

dictatorial movement: any
movement, ideology, or attitude that favors dictatorial government,
centralized control of private enterprise, repression of all
opposition, and extreme nationalism"

Doesn't that silly bitch know this isn't her website?

Posted by: dick at November 24, 2006 06:35 PM (jfHrV)

69 If Bush wanted to keep us safe from terror maybe he should have concentrated on Afghanistan.
 
Bush is a liar. His supporters are traitors.  His only plan is to use more bombs to make even more people hate America.
 
Prepare for the blowback.
 
Iraq is disintegrating into fullscale chaos thanks to no plans made for the shock and awe campaign that had no plans for keeping the peace.
 
Who is being held accountable?  Who is responsible for this situation? 
 
For the whole of the war the troops haven't even been able to stabilize Baghdad. 
 
And you believe them when they say "stay the course"...."we're in the last throes"......"mission accomplished"
 
The Bush policy has failed.  You bring order back to Iraq by doing what worked for Saddam.

Posted by: civilbehavior at November 24, 2006 06:45 PM (SmTxA)

70 civilbehavior,
You're a fucking idiot, on your best day.
Oh, don't forget to tell your mom that I don't like so much starch in my shirts.

Posted by: dick at November 24, 2006 07:12 PM (jfHrV)

71 NO FEAR : I  BET MY TWO SONS CAN WHIP YOUR TWO SONS. 

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 24, 2006 07:31 PM (Sm/YV)

72 One problem, cb: if we hadn't opened a second front in Iraq, the jihadis would be massing against our troops in Afghanistan, their logistics would be greatly simplified, and treasonous assholes such as yourself would still be whining about the casualty rates for political reasons.

Tens of thousands of brave jihadi babyhunters dead in Iraq and Afghanistan, five years without a terrorist attack, and simpering pantywaists like civilbehavior would surrender for partisan gain.


Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 24, 2006 07:33 PM (vBK4C)

73 NO FEAR:  Your comment # 42.  I don't know what the fuck your stupid commie ass is talking about? You're a sick prick. I don't need a pat on the back for what I do. But if you wish to see something besides mouth running. You want some pictures of what. Come take them yourself. I''ll feed you then kick you ass. Come to the corner of Highway 11 and Highway 43 in Picayune, Miss. We can show how real Americans help their neighbors and we can show you how we can kick some ass. And I don't give a shit if your son's e-mails me. Who the fuck is he? Raised by prick. What would we expect? I'll e-mail him back and let him know is father is a fucking commie. I'll kick his ass for 14 miles. I'll bet either of my sons can whip both of yours at the same time. How's that, asshole. Now come on down so I can put this size 13 in your ass. Punk.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 24, 2006 07:46 PM (Sm/YV)

74 Greyrooster, NoFear is a woman.



Posted by: dick at November 24, 2006 07:51 PM (jfHrV)

75 What's worse is now they are afraid to spend their politcal capital on the Iraq issue to try and solve it.  They are willing to sit back and let people die for politcal reasons rather than do the right thing. 
 
Spineless are they? Yes.

Posted by: Darth Odie at November 24, 2006 08:29 PM (YdcZ0)

76 I'd say leaving people to be slowly and unmercifully beheaded alive by al-qaeda when we said we would stand by them will be more than sufficient for them to hate us.  We are criticized becuase our actions fall short of our comitments.  They say we support despots.  So we try and change that.  Then leave their ass hanging in the wind.  Nice move.  Dumbasses.

Posted by: Darth Odie at November 24, 2006 08:33 PM (YdcZ0)

77 If America flees from Iraq and abandons the Iraqis to the terrorists, that country will become a base for international terrorism and a living Hell for all who live there. The violence seen there now will become virtually unchecked and the terrorists will carve the country into constantly shifting fiefdoms of mindless violence and depravity.


The terrorists have stated over and over that this is their goal. Al Qaeda and every other group operating there. Every terrorist group there has jihadist names praising "allah" and islam. Not a single one is named for liberty, justice, and freedom for Iraq.


The National Inteligence Estimate predicted the same conclusion, despite being touted by the Democrats and their left-wing base as proof that cutting and running would benefit America and Iraq.


The Iraqi people and their government have been begging America to stay until they can do without us.

 
When America abandoned South Vietnam to the communist aggressors, more than 3 million people were slaughtered, and countless others were sent to "reeducation" gulags. Nobody knows how many died trying to flee the orgy of violence brought on by America's cowardly withdrawal. (A withdrawal of troops and even the armament and monetary aid promised to the beleagured South Vietnamese.)

The organized left in America forced that withdrawal. The Democrats in Congress then reneged on the aid promised to America's ally knowing that it would be overwhelmed.


Every leftist maggot in America knows that these are the facts, though few have the minimal integrity level necessary to admit it.


Despite the dire outcome that would result if America were to capitulate to the islamic terrorists by running headlong from Iraq, the vast majority of leftists want to see this happen. They're salivating like hyenas over the prospect.


Did I write "despite?" I meant "because." That's right. Leftists want the Iraqis to suffer unimaginable horrors, our soldiers to die in vain, and to see America shamed and humbled. A failure in Iraq is very important to them. They will parade it as "proof" that their traitorous, immoral, cowardly, and callous policy demands were "right" all along. (As if the Left could ever be Right.)


Why? Because having President Bush fail is more important to them than anything else, especially America's national interest and fighting back against the genocidal hordes of islam.


This attitude and policy is beneath contempt in and of itself, but they compound their degeneracy by facetiously claiming to act in defense of American soldiers they actually despise, and the Iraqi people who are nothing but pawns to be sacrificed to humiliate President Bush and his political party.


No amount of moonbat sophistry and nonsense can refute these basic facts. Any protestations to the contrary would be ridiculous.


Not a single cut n' run fanatic deserves to live in this country. Every last one of you seditious cock suckers should be exiled.


I'm not the only American who would rather kick the teeth out of an America-last leftist than a jihadi. Something tells me this will become an everyday occurence in the near future. Tolerance isn't infinite, not that any leftist knows the first thing about tolerance.


Fuck every cut n' run leftist shit-monger in their diseased assholes.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 24, 2006 09:18 PM (bLPT+)

78

Jeff, Very good post.  One other thought,  for those of us who can remember what it was like here from 74 to 81 and knows how bad it was.  The Dems want to drag us there again.  Not the democratic voter so much but the leftist leaders like Pelosi.  She is supporting a crookfor politcal reasons so tht'snot much different than allowing peopleto be butchered for political gain or fear of political loss if she tries to do what is right.


Posted by: Darth Odie at November 24, 2006 10:43 PM (YdcZ0)

79 Hell she (Pelosi) hasn't even taken her new office yet and everyone hates her.  Even her own.
 
http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2006/11/24/alcee_hastings/index_np.html
 
No wait I'm offa bit on that one. 
 
al-Qaeda loves here.  The MSC loves her the IAI loves here.  Mutada al-Sadar loves her.Hamas Hezbollah Mahmood Ameninutijad loves here.  I could go on.
 
Most of these people would cut her infidel neck in a minute but love the work she's done for them so far..

Posted by: Darth Odie at November 24, 2006 10:50 PM (YdcZ0)

80 Holy shit. Right wingers really ARE insane.

Oh.

My.

God.

Posted by: ScooterD at November 24, 2006 11:02 PM (bfLPr)

81 If only the republicans had won on November 7th, then the car bombs wouldn't have been set.

Why did the Republicans run such bad campaigns when they knew the stakes were so high?

If they has simply won the elections a few weeks ago, the war in Iraq would be almost over!

Posted by: John Wyatt at November 25, 2006 12:14 AM (DKZJB)

82 "If America flees from Iraq and abandons the Iraqis to the terrorists, that country will become a base for international terrorism and a living Hell for all who live there. The violence seen there now will become virtually unchecked and the terrorists will carve the country into constantly shifting fiefdoms of mindless violence and depravity."

Why are you using the future tense?

Posted by: John Wyatt at November 25, 2006 12:17 AM (DKZJB)

83 Jeff Bargolz,
If I wrapped myself in plastic and stuck a “LEFTIE” sticker on my hiney would you beat me silly with a big stick?

P.S. I’ll bring a couple muslims for us to warm up on.

Posted by: nimrod at November 25, 2006 12:49 AM (JEnQb)

84 Holy shit. Left-wingers really ARE lying assholes.


Big surprise. By the way, shit stinks. "Who knew?"

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 25, 2006 01:04 AM (bLPT+)

85 puddleduck:
Is there anyone here, besides davec, that doesn't understand that Iraq was a secular state,

I bet the Shia's are glad to know they were both oppressed, and banned from holding positions in power wasn't based on their religion.

How about these guys:
On 6 September 1997, a state-owned Iraqi newspaper, al-Jumhuriya, reported that six people, including a woman, were sentenced to death by hanging in July 1997, following their conviction of organized prostitution and smuggling alcohol across the border between Iraq and Saudi Arabia. According to the newspaper report, the six were Humaid Hatif Hamza, Mardan Suwadi Shadhan Muhawish, 'Ali Hussain 'Askar Jabbar, Haidar Muhammad Ni'ma Majhul, Ghali Muhammad Safi 'Abdullah and 'Athra' Subhi Naiyef Saleh. They were reportedly tried before a special court at the Ministry of the Interior headquarters in Baghdad.

Hookers and Beer get you the death sentence in your Secular state?

Saddam has continued to work to increase his standing in the international community, seizing on opportunities to change his image, including bolstering his image within the Arab community:
Starting in the early 1990s, Saddam began working to change his image as a secular leader. This “return to Islam” can be seen in the increased Islamic language used by Saddam, the introduction into Iraq of the Qur'anic punishment of severing the right hand for the crime of theft, forbidding the public consumption of alcohol, and decapitation with a sword for the "crimes" of prostitution, homosexuality and providing a shelter for prostitutes to pursue their occupation. On the cultural level, a few million Qur'an books were printed in Iraq and given free, and people are being forced to attend Qur'an courses in many walks of society, starting with schools. In the same vein, a law issued in the late 1990s made it possible to release Muslim prisoners who learned the Quran in jail.

Another component of the “Islamization” campaign is the construction of
extravagant mosques - The new Saddam Mosque, (construction began in 1999)is
one of the largest in the Middle East after the one in Mecca.

I bet it's all on a 'secular' basis though, right?

Liberals rewrite history:
It's Secular!!1!, look at the coffee shops at the people playing chess!1! look at the children flying their kites!!1!

Posted by: davec at November 25, 2006 01:24 AM (QkWqQ)

86 Greyrooster-
Meet me at the corner? My sons can beat your sons? You feel good calling out the father of a soldier simply because his views differ from yours? How about putting your money where your mouth is. Why don't you send your strapping young sons over to fight for your values. Better yet, why don't you enlist - I hear they'll take anyone these days - apparently enlistment is down. Hmmm - could it be that people like you just want other peoples kids to die for your beliefs.

Posted by: Zeus at November 25, 2006 03:12 AM (gaisv)

87 "Puddleduck, this is the last time I'll address you. You are dead
to me as your sophomoric rantings. While you sit there in your
basement, working yourself into a lather over such childish missives
rest assured you are being heartily laughed at for your total lack of
comprehension of the world around you and your unfettered ignorance.

Posted by: Oyster at November 24, 2006 04:14 PM"

I should be offended, but since the comments are coming from a "genius" like you....

Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 25, 2006 07:09 AM (ATuKe)

88 Yeah, Dick -

"Greyrooster, NoFear is a woman.

Posted by: dick at November 24, 2006 07:51 PM"

Greyrooster is a little slow on the uptake, isn't he?

Maybe he should change his name to ChickenShit, since that describes him better than Greyrooster.

Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 25, 2006 07:13 AM (ATuKe)

89 I knew that this Iraq debacle was somehow the Democrats' fault. The fact that the GOP has been in charge of all branches of the federal government these past six years can do little to overcome the tsumani of Democratic power. What's amazing is how the Dems had mind-control over Rummy, forcing him to have no plans for the occupation. The Dems also installed that subtle Mission Accomplished banner on the USS A.Lincoln to serve as a reminder of how brilliant the invasion was. As the Right Brothers sang, bush was right.
Freedom in Afghanistan, say goodbye Taliban
Free elections in Iraq, Saddam Hussein locked up
Osama’s staying underground, Al Qaida now is finding out
America won’t turn and run once the fighting has begun
Libya turns over nukes, Lebanese want freedom, too
Syria is forced to leave, don’t you know that all this means

Chorus
Bush was right!
Bush was right!
Bush was right!

Democracy is on the way, hitting like a tidal wave
All over the middle east, dictators walk with shaky knees
Don’t know what they’re gonna do,
their worst nightmare is coming true
They fear the domino effect, they’re all wondering who’s next

Repeat Chorus

Ted Kennedy – wrong!
Cindy Sheehan – wrong!
France – wrong!
Zell Miller – right!

Economy is on the rise kicking into overdrive
Angry liberals can’t believe it’s cause of W’s policies
Unemployment’s staying down, Democrats are wondering how
Revenue is going up, can you say “Tax Cuts”

Repeat Chorus

Cheney was right, Condi was right,
Rummy was right, Blair was right
You were right, we were right, “The Right” was right and
Bush was right
Bush was right

Posted by: buma at November 25, 2006 07:23 AM (1isqd)

90 Nice rant, Chickenshit (AKA Greyrooster) -

"NO FEAR: Your comment # 42. I don't know what the fuck your stupid commie ass is talking about? You're a sick prick. I don't need a pat on the back for what I do. But if you wish to see something besides mouth running. You want some pictures of what. Come take them yourself. I''ll feed you then kick you ass. Come to the corner of Highway 11 and Highway 43 in Picayune, Miss. We can show how real Americans help their neighbors and we can show you how we can kick some ass. And I don't give a shit if your son's e-mails me. Who the fuck is he? Raised by prick. What would we expect? I'll e-mail him back and let him know is father is a fucking commie. I'll kick his ass for 14 miles. I'll bet either of my sons can whip both of yours at the same time. How's that, asshole. Now come on down so I can put this size 13 in your ass. Punk.
Posted by: Greyrooster at November 24, 2006 07:46 PM "

We are simply in awe of your superior intellect and debating skills.

Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 25, 2006 07:27 AM (ATuKe)

91 ScooterD -

"Holy shit. Right wingers really ARE insane.

Oh.

My.

God.
Posted by: ScooterD at November 24, 2006 11:02 PM"

Now, I wouldn't judge all RWingers, based on what you see on this site.

I hear that, on other RW sites, they can appear almost normal. LOL

They do tend to be a tad more combative, since President Moron lost the election.

They have taken up the gauntlet and are proving, more and more, just how "sane" they are.

Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 25, 2006 07:37 AM (ATuKe)

92 Why is it that all those warmongering Bush cultists are in the U.S. and
not in Iraq?


Esqueeze me?  Last I heard the vast majority of people in the military were conservative (i.e., your warmongering Bush cultists).



Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 25, 2006 09:34 AM (8e/V4)

93 Ouch...JC, that's gonna leave a mark. And the reason they're conservative is that folks like Piddlelick and NoFear take every opportunity to stab them in the back and put them in greater danger for political gain. Then folks like John Kerry and Charlie Rangel call them stupid.

Ersatz veteran Piddlelick (just so you don't have to look it up, "ersatz" means "fake"): What type of fighter did you fly? Was it like the F-102, in which President Bush flew hundreds of hours? You remember the F-102; controls as complex as the F-16, but no fly-by-wire assistance; the one that had the occasional problem of flaming out during takeoff, then rolling inverted...all this means, of course, that if the President is a "moron" on your baseline, that puts you, Piddlelick, somewhere about the level of paramecium.


Glad to see the other lefty trolls here, and that none of them are capable of even attempting to make an argument. It's validation for the Jawas.


Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 25, 2006 10:57 AM (vBK4C)

94 OT, but hey- did anyone notice that Bush finally went to Nam?
I forget who said it, but:
"He tried to get his dad to get him out of that trip too, but he doesn't have all those connections anymore."
If there were republican leaders who actually had served in uniform during a previous wars, we would have never gone into Iraq.
But the planners of this war were all, to a man, cowards.
Cheney, Libby, Wolfowitz, Perle, GW, Rove etc (the list of chickenhawks goes on and on- probanly includes the most vociferous couch potato war supporters on this sorry thread, as well)
If you want a wartime veteran in office- with a few exceptions, you pretty much gotta vote democratic.

Posted by: non partisan vet at November 25, 2006 12:46 PM (neuyv)

95 #96 non partisan vet
Interesting, were you advocating for only Presidents that served in a wartime capacity, when President Clinton was bombing Bosnia, and Iraq? You're non-partisan so I assume so.

Posted by: davec at November 25, 2006 01:58 PM (QkWqQ)

96 "non partisan vet ": this post has been great troll bait, and as a result, we've had a rash of moderate to mildy retarded Texas college students claiming to be veterans. Got any proof? We already know that you're at least mildly retarded by your idiotic choice of handle and total unfamiliarity with logic.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 25, 2006 02:11 PM (vBK4C)

97 non partisan -

"He tried to get his dad to get him out of that trip too, but he doesn't have all those connections anymore."

I believe it was Jay Leno, that said it during his monologue.

Brain damaged pukehead -

"Ersatz veteran Piddlelick (just so you don't have to look it up, "ersatz" means "fake"): What type of fighter did you fly? Was it like the F-102, in which President Bush flew hundreds of hours? You remember the F-102; controls as complex as the F-16, but no fly-by-wire assistance; the one that had the occasional problem of flaming out during takeoff, then rolling inverted...all this means, of course, that if the President is a "moron" on your baseline, that puts you, Piddlelick, somewhere about the level of paramecium."

Why should I be expected to know anything about fighter aircraft? Was I in the Air Force?

But you are so close, as there is "Air" in there somewhere.

I expect that your fighter aircraft combat experience comes from video games.

I could tell you about the T-10, but then you would not have heard of it.

It doesn't have an engine, so it is more of a non-steerable glider (steerable model available in later version) and you can't sit inside of it.

And I could tell you of the P-38, as it was used in Vietnam. I employed one on many occasions, as did everyone else in my outfit, including the warrant officers.

It was devastating to a "tin can", when used, properly, out in the field.

And the P-38 will fit neatly inside of an F-102, F-16 or F-4 Phantom.

BTW - how is it, again, that President Moron came to be removed from flight status, while "serving" in the Texas ANG?

I guess serving his daddy's friends, running for office, was more important than serving his country.

Guess he just had a higher calling.

Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 25, 2006 02:22 PM (jRbew)

98 Suddenly every Leftard you meet is a "vet."  LOL.  Sure ya are.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 25, 2006 02:23 PM (8e/V4)

99 Here we go, again -

"non partisan vet ": this post has been great troll bait, and as a result, we've had a rash of moderate to mildy retarded Texas college students claiming to be veterans. Got any proof? We already know that you're at least mildly retarded by your idiotic choice of handle and total unfamiliarity with logic.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 25, 2006 02:11 PM "

You have to be a conservative to be able to claim vet status, on this site.

But I don't see any of you guys either claiming or having to "prove" your vet status.

With only a couple of exceptions, most of you have never served in the military.

Most of you are just a bunch of chickshit chickenhawks, who have no qualms about degrading currently serving soldiers or vets.

I would hope that if someone comes on here and says that he or she is, currently, serving in Iraq that you would, at least give them the benefit of the doubt.

Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 25, 2006 02:35 PM (jRbew)

100 Ever see what you get, when you Google "moron"?

And the number 1 answer is.......

Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 25, 2006 02:56 PM (jc5xq)

101
And the number 1 answer is.......


.......Puddleduck

;-)

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 25, 2006 04:19 PM (8e/V4)

102 #102 Puddleduck
When I google the word 'moron' the site presidentmoron.com is #1, reading the first page comment section, it appears to be ran by a guy who says there are no "terrorists":

So, for the first time since the last election cycle (figure the odds!), our threat level has been elevated. Somehow, terra'ists are able to smuggle "liquid explosives" in their carry-on luggage, but they are unable to place them in their checked baggage (stupid terra'ists!). Make no mistake, there was no plot in London. There is no threat to the US other than The MORONARCHY itself.


Perhaps you should hang out there, it sounds like you might fit in.

Posted by: davec at November 25, 2006 05:02 PM (QkWqQ)

103 What constitutes proof?
I'm a veteran. Not an Iraq veteran or even a war veteran, I served in the late 70s when being a serviceman was anything but cool.
But it was sometimes fun and ultimately beneficial.
Actually, I don't need to prove anything here and I'm not advocating anything. But I would make the point that a president who has seen war would be less willing to start an unnecessary and even ill-advised one.

But y'all go on. There are actually insightful and interesting sites to read and reply to on both sides of the false liberal/conservative divide.
Besides a few of the more thoughtful posts on both sides here, this site seems to be more into denial and name calling.

Posted by: non partisan vet at November 25, 2006 06:12 PM (2f4mJ)

104 NPV,
You're an idiot and just proved it with that statement.
What does being in war have to do with anything?
Puddleduck, since you were Audie murphy's alter ego, how would you handle Iraq?
Tell me, please?

Posted by: dick at November 25, 2006 07:34 PM (2wtXk)

105 Puddleduck: You lying bastard. We would give them the benefit of the douth. 'But not you. You commie son of a bitch.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 25, 2006 08:03 PM (VMUjK)

106 How are we supposed to know the difference between  a female and a liberal commie. They both talk like sissys.
 
Received 7 E-mails today. One said (Fuck you racist). I wonder if the little prick figured that out by himself. I replied "fuck you and your whoreing mother". Must of hit home.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 25, 2006 08:10 PM (VMUjK)

107 108 comments?! Damn I rock and yes Oliver is my bitch

Posted by: Darth Odie at November 25, 2006 09:13 PM (YdcZ0)

108

Piddlelick: you refer to someone who actually flew F-102s as a moron, then admit you don't have either the brains or courage to do it yourself. What does that make you?  Don't bother to answer; everybody already knows.



npv: don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. One less lefty troll posing as a vet.


Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 26, 2006 01:23 AM (vBK4C)

109 <Door Opens>
Hey everybody I'm back! Jeez what smells in here? Jeez, just look at all the bullshit. See ya on another thread.

Posted by: No Fear at November 26, 2006 06:02 AM (MPCBF)

110 "#102 Puddleduck
When I google the word 'moron' the site presidentmoron.com is #1, reading the first page comment section, it appears to be ran by a guy who says there are no "terrorists":

So, for the first time since the last election cycle (figure the odds!), our threat level has been elevated. Somehow, terra'ists are able to smuggle "liquid explosives" in their carry-on luggage, but they are unable to place them in their checked baggage (stupid terra'ists!). Make no mistake, there was no plot in London. There is no threat to the US other than The MORONARCHY itself.

Perhaps you should hang out there, it sounds like you might fit in.

Posted by: davec at November 25, 2006 05:02 PM"

Hey, how about that countdown clock?

Shows the number of days, hours, minutes and seconds until President Moron will be able to claim his place in history as the worst president in US history.

Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 26, 2006 07:14 AM (rtxxq)

111 "Piddlelick: you refer to someone who actually flew F-102s as a moron, then admit you don't have either the brains or courage to do it yourself. What does that make you? Don't bother to answer; everybody already knows.

npv: don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. One less lefty troll posing as a vet.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 26, 2006 01:23 AM"

So, in your little mind, the so-called "service" of a member of the ANG, that was AWOL part of the time, is more valuable than anyone else's service, including those of us who volunteered for active duty in the Army and actually went to Vietnam.

Just how many combat missions did President Moron fly, again, and why did he voluntarily stop flying, before his commitment was up?

BTW - I had no desire to fly airplanes. I just wanted to jump out of them.

Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 26, 2006 07:24 AM (fgSgE)

112 "NPV,
You're an idiot and just proved it with that statement.
"What does being in war have to do with anything?
Puddleduck, since you were Audie murphy's alter ego, how would you handle Iraq?
Tell me, please?
Posted by: dick at November 25, 2006 07:34 PM"

NPV -

What did I tell you? You can't be a liberal and/or a Democrat and expect anyone, here, to accept your word, that you are a vet.

These people have been so brainwashed, that their heros are the people who never served in the military, like Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity.

Damn, Dick - haven't we already been thru all of this before?

Stop embarrassing yourself, by degrading someone who actually served in the military.

By your own admission, you never served a day in the military, but I don't hold that against you.

As for my plan for victory in Iraq, I'm sorry but, like President Moron's "plan", it is a secret.
If I were to disclose it, then the terrorists would know it, too.

Since President Moron is still in charge of waging this war, what do you suppose his "plan" is?

He may let us all know, once his daddy's buddies figure out how to pull his sorry ass out of the fire.

They're not dwelling on his fucked up decision to invade Iraq, in the first place.

They, like most Americans, want a plan that will get us out with some honor and dignity.

Hopefully, he will have the sense to implement their recommendations, but he doesn't seem to very good about following reasoned advice, so far.

I was no Audie Murphy.

He was a war hero and received medals for valor, like John Kerry, John McCain and President Moron's daddy.

I received only the VSM, NDSM, GCM, CIB and Parachutist badge.

Pretty much standard stuff, for a member of the 101st Airborne, serving in Vietnam.

No medal of honor or purple hearts.

"Puddleduck: You lying bastard. We would give them the benefit of the douth. 'But not you. You commie son of a bitch.
Posted by: Greyrooster at November 25, 2006 08:03 PM"

GreyRooster - you wouldn't know the truth if it whacked you upside the head.

Nice touch with the "commie son of a bitch", though.

You've really outdone yourself.

And we all admire your military service, too.

Thanks again for supporting our troops.

And don't forget to verify that any soldier that you see in Wal-Mart is really a soldier.

He may have picked up his uniform at a local Army Surplus store and is just pretending to be a soldier, like President Moron did.

Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 26, 2006 08:02 AM (TDLol)

113 Pd, your hot today...lmao...

Hey Greygoose,
I don't know what the fuck your stupid commie ass is talking about? You're a sick prick. I don't need a pat on the back for what I do.
=============
So why post it at jawa? Not once but twice?Hummm?

As for the rest of I'm letting it go, calling me out, my kids, calling me a whore, ect.
Keep talking, what you say tells me everything I need to know about you.  So keep talking. You are only exposing youself for what you really are.

 

Posted by: No Fear at November 26, 2006 09:19 AM (ZQepB)

114 What did I tell you? You can't be a liberal and/or a Democrat and expect anyone, here, to accept your word, that you are a vet.

I believe only last week, I said I didn't need any details of your service to convince me, I take your service at face value.

Posted by: davec at November 26, 2006 12:37 PM (QkWqQ)

115 The mission in Iraq has been carried out with infinitely less defeats (none,) blunders (some,) intelligence errors (few,) desertions (muslims and leftists only,) or deaths (less than the losses in a single day,) than in WWII, which is recognized universally as a successful war.

The left would have us believe the mission has been a complete failure, and that cutting n' running is the only solution. If America were to cut n' run, the nightmare that would ensue would then be blamed on the Republican Party for "starting" a "war" that Democrats overwhelmingly voted for.


You just cant reason with the left. Lying, irrational, assholes all.


Every leftie on this thread wants America to fail in Iraq, and exults over every American casualty. Everyone here knows this to be a fact. Lefties are lower than paramecium shit, and twice as stupid.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 26, 2006 04:59 PM (bLPT+)

116 Piddlelick: as far as I'm concerned you're a Google veteran. No one as stupid as you would survive in Vietnam without a scratch. And I don't know ANY vets who want us to lose in Iraq for political reasons, as you do (I don't know John Kerry or John Murtha personally). Step away from the Starship Troopers book.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 26, 2006 07:54 PM (vBK4C)

117 No fear: You sick bitch. Thought you said your lefturd ass was gone. You commies can't even lie well.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 26, 2006 11:01 PM (aghaS)

118 Well, I guess I must have changed my mind huh. Women have been known to do that ya know. Hahahahaha. lol

Posted by: No Fear at November 27, 2006 02:08 AM (MPCBF)

119
Damn, Dick - haven't we already been thru all of this before?

By your own admission, you never served a day in the military, but I don't hold that against you.

Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 26, 2006 08:02 AM


Interesting, PuddleDuck.  I don't recall Dick ever admitting he never served a day in the military.  Can you enlighten me?
The reason I find this comment of yours interesting, is because I can walk into the next room and pick up a photo album full of pictures of Dick during his service in the military.  Then, there's that box with his ribbons and medals.  Oh, and the manuals too.  Let's see...this one's called "The Law of Land Warfare", then we have "Tactical Doctrine", "Technique of Fire of the Rifle Squad and Tactical Application" and on on Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Defense.

Although, maybe he picked up all this stuff on Ebay, but it sure is funny that the guy in all those pictures does strongly resemble him, and that his name is on all those certificates too.

And before you respond, recall that I have never questioned your vet status.  So, don't come at me with a bunch of bullshit.  I could really give a shit if you're a vet or not.  I don't care.  I think a lot of what you say is ridiculous, and I still don't know why you're here, with the exception of causing trouble.  But then again, I'm a rational-thinking person that never did understand the purpose of pissing people off just to play with them.  Guess I'm missing out.

So, where was that again that Dick said he never served in the military?

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120 No Fear: Who the hell says a stupid bitch like you is a woman? You wouldn't make a pimple on a womans ass. I'm betting 10 to 1 your an ugly bitch. God didn't treat you right. People laugh at you when you walk by. You're dog ugly so you take it out on America by cheering for the other side.

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