If this is diplomatic ship, then where is the Ambassador? Thinly veiled threats are still threats. Clinton Taylor in Townhall:

Nice civilization you got here. It’d be a shame if something happened to it.

That was the sinister subtext of a letter addressed to Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen, asking him to “take all those responsible to task under law” for the infamous Mohammed cartoons. The letter is remarkable for when it was sent and for who sent it.

The letter was signed by the eleven ambassadors of Islamic or heavily-Islamic countries. Libya, Algeria, Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Pakistan, Palestine, Indonesia, Morocco, and Bosnia-Herzegovina complained about the Jyllands-Posten cartoons on October 12, long before the current round of protests....

Funny how these countries demanding that Denmark crack down on unpopular expression have so much trouble doing so themselves, even when things turn bloody, and even when they see it coming for three months. Not “funny-ha-ha”. The other kind. [Read the rest]

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وَمَنْ هُوَ الْكَذَّابُ؟ إِنَّهُ الَّذِي يُنْكِرُ أَنَّ
يَسُوعَ هُوَ الْمَسِيحُ حَقّاً. إِنَّهُ ضِدٌّ لِلْمَسِيحِ يُنْكِرُ الآبَ وَالابْنَ مَعا

Zaman:

A delegation of bishops and religious men from the Danish Lutheran Church made contacts in Egypt following the worldwide uproar against the offending cartoons of Prophet Mohammed published in a Danish newspaper....

Steen Skovsgaard, a bishop in the delegation, told Zaman that the cartoons are entirely for provocation. Skovsgard, stressing Muslims and Christians live together in peace, said Danes separated after the events and the majority disapproved the cartoons. He said the freedom of speech did not include humiliation and insult and Muslims can seek remedy through the courts as Denmark is a state of law. Skovsgard, underlining that the crisis is the beginning of a new dialogue rather than a partition, said their tickets were bought by the Danish Foreign Ministry though it was not an official visit.

UPDATE: Sweden too? I mean, you'd expect this from the Saudis, but not the Swedes. more...

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Islam means submission, not peace. To the Islamist, to kill someone for breaking Islamic law is not murder, it is carrying out the death penalty. So, it's always great to see that Christians and atheists seem to know Islam better than Muslims who have been practicing the tradition of imposing the death penalty on blasphemers and apostates since Muhammed's time.

Khaleej Times:

Denmark and Norway on Monday condemned as incitement to murder a Pakistani cleric’s offer of a reward to anyone who kills any of the 12 Danish cartoonists who lampooned the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

“It’s murder and murder is also forbidden by the Koran,” Danish Foreign Minister Per Stig Moeller told a news conference with his colleague Jonas Gahr Stoere from Norway, which has been dragged into the row after a paper published the cartoons.

“Islam is also a religion of peace, mercy and forgiveness. That is why it is my opinion, but also the opinion of many Muslims, this is un-Islamic,” said the Danish minister.

Yes, they kill you for apostasy. From the hadiths: more...

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The Egyptian Ambassador to Denmark, Mona Omar Attia, has been recalled from her duties and assigned elsewhere. Ms. Attia was key in inflaming Muslim anger over the Muhammed cartoons. Good riddance. Egyptian Sandmonkey has more.

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Danish Muslims want to say they're sorry. Sort of. Kinda like the abusive husband who says, I'm sorry for hitting you but you've got to admit you were being a bitch and provoked me. Yeah, exactly like that.

Agora:

he spokesman for the Danish Moslem group, 28-year-old Ahmed Akkari who claims to represent 27 Moslem organizations tells Jyllands-Posten that he is ready to accept "a third of the blame" for the escalating conflict if Jyllands-Posten and the Danish Government accepts that the rest is theirs. Ahmed Akkari explains that this is an attempt to get into a dialogue.

"With this concrete action we are attempting to show that we bear part of the blame in order to achieve resolution to this crisis. We want to show that we aren’t running. In fact, we have been trying to do that for the last two weeks," says Ahmed Akkari.

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This is certainly interesting. Notice that he was 'sent' on leave.

BBC:

The Danish editor who commissioned the Prophet Muhammad cartoons at the centre of a global row has been sent on leave.

Flemming Rose, culture editor of the Jyllands-Posten newspaper, got the order after saying he might print Iranian cartoons of the Holocaust.

The Danish cartoons, seen by many Muslims as insulting to their faith, have sparked worldwide protests.

Earlier this week, an Iranian newspaper said it was holding a contest inviting cartoonists to depict the Holocaust.

Hamshahri said it wanted to test the boundaries of free speech, echoing the reasons Jyllands-Posten and other European papers have given for publishing the caricatures.

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What is the lesson to be learned here?

1) Muslims threaten Europe with boycotts and violence and demand press regulations.
2) Europe begins the process of outlawing images deemed offensive to Muslims.

Lesson: If you want Europe to adopt sharia (Islamic) law, simply threaten then.

My guess is that next Muslims will demand an end to public displays of pornographic material, something common in Europe. Also expect a demand for the prohibition of Christian missionaries trying to convert Muslims in the near future, sex-segregates schools, and tax supported mosques.

In fact, European Muslims are already demanding all of the above. Given that native Europeans have a very low birthrate, Europe has high numbers of Muslim immigrants (legal and illegal), and that Muslim immigrants have a very high birth rate, it is only a matter of time before Europe once again becomes part of Dar al-Islam. But I had always supposed this would be a hundred years or more in the future. But if Europeans are willing to cave to the fascistic demands of a minority that is still rather small, it seems inevetable that as that minority becomes larger they will cave even faster.

Could Europe adopt Islamofascist sharia law long before Muslims become a majority on the Continent? It seems more likely every day.

LGF:

The European Union may try to draw up a media code of conduct to avoid a repeat of the furor caused by the publication across Europe of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad, an EU commissioner said on Thursday.

And if the EU doesn't adopt 'the code', Muslims in the U.K. are pressing for one. Clarity and Resolve:

Muslim scholars holding emergency talks called for a change in the law to stop insulting pictures of the Prophet Muhammad being published.

Officials from the Muslim Action Committee (MAC) meeting in Birmingham also called for the Press Complaints Commission code to be tightened to restrict British newspapers from following European media in printing the caricatures.

A protest march from Trafalgar Square to Hyde Park on February 18 involving around 50,000 Muslims would be staged, Shaikh Faiz Saddiqi, spokesman for the MAC, said.

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How else do you interpret the news that the French newspaper France Soir, which published blasphemous cartoons of Muhammed, fired the editor that had run them? If not a capitulation to threats of violence by intolerant Muslims, then what?

It's not like France's large Muslim population hadn't gone on rampages before. And if there is a single one of you who would be shocked to find Jacques Lefranc murdered in the streets of Paris, then you truly are ignorant.

Update: Le Monde bucks the trend and stands up to radical Muslims! (with pics)

BBC:

France Soir originally said it had published the images in full to show "religious dogma" had no place in a secular society.

But late on Wednesday its owner, Raymond Lakah, said he had removed managing editor Jacques Lefranc "as a powerful sign of respect for the intimate beliefs and convictions of every individual".

Mr Lakah said: "We express our regrets to the Muslim community and all people who were shocked by the publication."

The president of the French Council of the Muslim Faith (CFCM), Dalil Boubakeur, had described France Soir's publication as an act of "real provocation towards the millions of Muslims living in France".

Captain Ed has this:

These cartoons have been privately drawn and published by privately-owned enterprises. That is the essential nature of free speech. The Danes understand that, and I find the European impulse in supporting them the most hopeful sign from the Continent in a long time, Soir's surrender notwithstanding.

UPDATE: In a shocking turn of events, Christians and Jews go on bloody rampage over depictions of Jesus!

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Isn't this one of the signs of the apocalypse? Word on the streets is that French and German newspapers have begun to reprint cartoons deemed so offensive by Muslims that the offending countries should be a) boycotted b) condemned by the U.N. c) cyber attacked d) bombed.

(UPDATE: Italy and Spain too)

We at The Jawa Report have been doing our part for some time. Vinnie reprinted the offending cartoons here with the caveat that he must receive the first death fatwa.

Nu-huh, he din't! Aint no way nobody is ge'in no fatwa before me!

Our adoptive blogfather The Commissar is starting a campaign to urge the reprinting of these cartoons. If your blog hasn't printed them, please stand up for freedom. Better yet, enourage the MSM to carry the cartoons in their pages. They'll print Ted Rall's garbage, why not this?

We've also called for a boycott of the boycott by buying Danish products. But via Beth we learn that others are beginning to organize the effort with images for your blog. Keep it up and support the effort!

Steal these images: more...

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Central to the radical Islamist paradisical vision is the return of all land that once belonged to the global Caliphate to Muslims. In this vision, only when Muslims dominate the world can true peace be established.

Here is something that the blogfather, Charles Johnson found. Spain Herald:

The children’s website Al Fateh, property of the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas, demands in its most recent issue the return of the Spanish city of Seville to the “lost paradise” of Al Andalus, as the Muslim part of Spain was called during its existence between 711 and 1492. The web magazine, whose name means “conqueror,” says it is for “the young builders of the future.”

Lovely. I wonder if Spain is confused by the fact that their abandoning the people of Iraq has done absolutely nothing to protect them from the Islamist ghouls.

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The newspaper which carried the originally 'offensive' cartoons has caved. My feeling is that the Danes will never cave. So, continue to buy your Danish pastries, beers, and porn. I'd lay off purchasing the latest copy of Jyllands-Posten, though.

Via Is Full of Crap this from JPOST:

A Danish newspaper on Monday issued an apology to the world's Muslims for publishing caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad that sparked a furor in the Islamic world.

The drawings "were not in violation of Danish law but have undoubtedly offended many Muslims, which we would like to apologize for," the Jyllands-Posten's editor-in-chief Carsten Juste said in a statement posted on the paper's Web site.

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An interet war is brewing between a small minority of hackers who happen to be an even smaller subset of misunderstanders of Islam and Danish geeks. Viking Observer at AIR passes this translation on from the Danish media:

A large number of Danish papers´ web versions have crashed. Suspicions immediately center on the hacker attacks being because of the Mohammed-drawings in Jyllands-Posten. ..

All the web media hit are hosted on the same servers at the internet company Metropol Online, owned by Berlingske (Danish publishing house). ..

Among the media hit is the homepage of Jyllands-Postens, www.jp.dk, which creates suspicions, that hackers are trying to hit the paper as part of the row over the papers´ Mohammed-drawings.

A Danish chain-mail that is circulating by email urges people to take part in a web-based attack on arab media. This happens in reaction to the hacker-attack on Danish papers´ websites over the weekend....

he email starts out with the headline "Denmark under attack by moslem hackers" and contains an attached program, that starts a so-called denial-of-service attack on five arab media, among them Al-Jazeera, Arab News og Gulf News.

In the letter the recipient is urged to let the program run on his computer to bombard the arab media with data and thus block their homepages.

And for a great non-dhimmi Danish blogger, visit Enough!

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Two very related stories. First, the Danish Left has been funneling money to terrorists for years. I guess paying tthe jizya hasn't helped the Danish Left one bit.

Second, why are the tiny minority of extremists calling for a boycott of Denmark? Could it be that Denmark currently chairs the U.N. Security Council and the Islamic Republic of Iran is about to receive that bodies censure?

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Muslims fathers in the town of Linz, Austria are demanding that female teachers put on the hajib--or traditional Muslim headcover. What is so interesting about Linz? It is the town where Adolf Hitler went to school! Hitler also claimed Linz as his 'hometown', one which would be a 'model' for the Third Reich.

Interestingly enough, 3/4 of the students at this Linz elementary school are not native German speakers. Which is ironical, to say the least.

Of course, one wonders the extent to which Linz's status as Hitler's home drew so many immigrants. After all, Mein Keimpf is still a best seller in practically every Muslim nation.

First demand: headscarves for women.
Second demand: yellow stars for Jews.

Charles Johnson has a rough translation from an Austrian newspaper here.

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The talk over the Dutch move to the Right is hype, says Peaktalk. Agreed, but at least they are becoming less dhimmified.

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I'd be a lot happier if he had got more than seven years, but this is Germany which is still in Europe. We'll take what we can get, when we can get it. Via Chad at ITB who also notes the Spaniards got another one, this from ADNKI:

An Iraqi man has been sentenced to seven years by a German court for helping smuggle suicide bombers from Europe to his native country in what is considered a landmark ruling. Amin Lokman Mohamed, 31, was convicted by Munich judge, Bernd von Heintschel-Heinegg, of "belonging to a terrorist association and recruiting militants to send to Iraq."

Mohamed, from Iraqi Kurdistan, was arrested by the German police in 2003, while living in Munich. He denied belonging to the radical Islamic group Ansar al-Islam, which is believed linked to the al-Qaeda network and considered responsible for countless attacks against US troops in Iraq, but admitted collecting funds and recruiting jihadis in Europe.

During the trial, the court was presented with transcripts of hundreds of tapped phone conversations, in which Mohamed allegedly organised for the transfer of young men from Europe to Iraq and of others from his homeland to Germany and Britain.

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Finally a calendar that says "I'm Christian" and "I love to lust after nude women" all in one. Move over Hooker Headers, here comes the erotic bible calendar! I'm thinking that Professor Chaos might finally be won over to Jebus with this one.

You can see some of the calendar here. (NSFW or Church or Synagogue and definitely NSFM [not safe for mosque]) Unfortunately for you pervs, the calendar is sold out.

Perhaps the most disturbing thing about this--besides the fact that's it's a fundraiser for a Christian youth group--is the fact that there is a disclaimer on the site that reveals that some of the models were under 18. So, is this German 'Christian' organization peddling child-porn for Jesus?

I guess that simply being nude doesn't meet the legal requirement for child pornography, but it is kind of creepy. I mean, exactly what do these people think guys are going to be doing while looking at these hot young chicks in erotic poses? Contemplating the mysteries of the Trinity?

Apparently the kids who were over 16 but under 18 had permission from their parents to pose nude for the calendar. Yeah, I'll let my little Grettle pose nude, I mean, as long as it's for Christ. This is equally disturbing. more...

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A convert to the ROP left France Junior (Belgium) to become a suicide bomber in Iraq. Here's the saddest part: her Muslim husband is said to have talked her into it.

UPI:

A woman who carried out a suicide attack in Iraq two weeks ago was identified Tuesday as the first European female suicide bomber.

The Belgian anti-terrorism unit has confirmed that the woman was a Belgian citizen who converted to Islam after her marriage to a Muslim fundamentalist, news service RTL reported Tuesday.

American military forces identified the woman at a combat scene in Baghdad. She was carrying recently issued Belgian identity papers which revealed she had traveled via Turkey. There are no traces of her radical husband who is believed to have organized her trip.

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Seven terrorists have been arrested in the Netherlands today as Dutch police mounted a series of raids nationwide. Among the seven terror suspects was a woman. The Dutch Parliament and the Prime Minister's office were also sealed off as gun shots were heard from a nearby street.

One of those arrested was a repeat offender. Dutch news agency ANP reports that among those arrested was Samir Azzouz, 19, acquitted in April of charges of planning attacks on government buildings--including Parliament. Police report that they found maps of potential targets in his home which included parliament and the Borselle nuclear power plant. (AKI)

Azzouz is suspected of belonging to the Hofstad Network, a group of suspected radical muslims which allegedly included Mohammed Bouyeri, the Dutch-Morroccan man jailed for life in July for the murder of film-maker Theo van Gogh, nearly a year ago in Amsterdam. (FT)

On Thursday, media reported renewed threats against members of parliament Ayaan Hirsi Ali (image right) and Geert Wilders, both outspoken critics of Islamic extremism. The two went into hiding for several months after Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh's brutal murder. (Haaretz)

Local media also report that gunshots were heard in a largely Muslim immigrant neighborhood in the Hague this morning. The police have yet to confirm this.

Today, The Jawa Report received this comment from a Muslim reader in The Netherlands:

JIHAD AGAINST THE KUFFAR AND THE MUNAFIQEEN, MURTADEEN IS FARD (required)

SO OH MUSLIMS MARCH OUT TOWARDS THE BATTLEFIELD OF AFGHANISTAN, IRAQ, JAZERATUL ARAB, KASHMIR, SHESHAAN, PALESTINE

Journalist Hans Andringa told CNN there had been rumors that on November 2, the anniversary of Van Gogh's death, fundamentalists were planning "a macabre birthday party."

Following the arrests, Holland's National Coordinator for Counterterrorism announced a stepping up of security around the Binnenhof (parliamentary and governmental complex in The Hague), the headquarters of the General Intelligence and Security Service in Leidschendam, the Ministry of Justice and the Ministry of the Interior and Kingdom Relations.

Personal security was also being stepped up for leading figures, the statement said, adding that there was no need to raise the general threat level associated with the national terrorist threat assessment.

"As reported earlier, the current threat level for the Netherlands is substantial, and that level remains unchanged," the statement said.

Personal note: I'm off the rest of the day doing you know what with you know who at you know where.

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In the time it took to write this post, Richard Perle and other prominent Neo-smurf Zionist smurfs at the Defense Policy Smurf, planned to smurf Smurf children with thousand pound smurfs. Meanwhile, smurfs at Haliburton grow richer off the smurfs of dead smurfs. All we are saying, is give smurf a chance!

Brought to you by UNICEF.

Hat tip to Shawn at Bare Knuckle Politics who has the UNICEF produced video of bombs falling on Smurfs here for France Junior TV. Seriously.

More commentary from Kevin Aylward at Wizbang and Jeff at Caerdroia. (PS-Come on, this post took like 2 minutes.....)

UPDATE: Dave at Garfield Ridge is just funny.

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I have a great idea! Let's negotiate with mass-murderering terrorists who want to stone to death women who get pregnant out of wedlock! Maybe they will meet us in the middle and and only kill half the Jews in the world and only give adulteresses fifty lashes instead of the death sentence?

Peaktalk has more from the Zeropean royalty.

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Mohamed ElBaradei and the UN's International Atomic Energy Agency have been awarded this year's Nobel Peace Prize. Of course, neither ElBaradei or the IAEA have done a single thing to prevent nuclear weapons proliferation, but at least they tried.

Who awards the Nobel Peace Price, and all other Nobel Prizes? From the Nobel Prize website:

The Norwegian Nobel Committee, whose five members are appointed by the Norwegian Parliament (Stortinget), is entrusted both with the preparatory work related to prize adjudication and with the awarding of the Nobel Peace Prize.

Chariman Dr. Ole Danbolt MJØS. Held various positions in The Christian People's Party (Kristelig Folkeparti). This party is center-right in Norwegian politics. But center-right in Norwegian politics would be considerably to the left in the U.S., especially on social-welfare issues. On family-values issues they are more to the right.

Dr. Berge Ragnar FURRE is the former parliamentary leader of the Socialist Left Party. The Socialist Left Party is left by European standards--it was formerly a Communist party. Today though, like most formerly communist parties, the Socialist Left Party is part of the Red-Green coalitions so common in Europe.

Sissel Marie RØNBECK is former director of the Social Democratic Youth (Labour's youth group) and a former cabinet minister in the Labour led government. The Labour Party has long been a main political party in Norway and was founded as a Marxist party, but are now merely socialists and advocates of an extensive welfare state. They now govern Norway as part of a center-left-green alliance.

Inger-Marie YTTERHORN is a former parliament member and currently advises the Progress Party. The Progress Party in Norway is both anti-immigration party and would be considered more libertarian than the Conservative Party on economic issues.

Kaci Kullmann FIVE is a member of the Conservative Party and former member of parliament. The name kind of says it all. But a Norwegian Conservative is a far-cry from an American conservative--for instance they support gay adoption and EU integration.

So, five people get together and decide who should get the prize. All five are former politicians. So, why should any one care what they think? I don't.

More at LGF, OTB, and elsewhere. Hat tip: Macker.

UPDATED, now with accurate information after getting my ass fact-checked.

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1 Ummm.... Am I missing something? Norwegians aren't Swedes.

Posted by: Brian B at October 07, 2005 12:55 PM (rGfpg)

2 For someone who doesn't care, you've spent an excessive amount of time detailing who's on the committee. Admit it, you care. And file this under "BFD."

Posted by: Venom at October 07, 2005 02:15 PM (dbxVM)

3 When the Nobel prices were instituted Sweden and Norway had just had a peaceful breakup of a union, and therefore Alfred Nobel thought the Peace price should be awarded by the Norwegian parliament.

Posted by: Ursus Maritimus at October 07, 2005 02:16 PM (OAFyx)

4 Rusty's just jealous because he didn't get nominated.

Posted by: Vinnie at October 07, 2005 02:19 PM (Kr6/f)

5 Blogson Brian--
D'OH!!

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at October 07, 2005 02:47 PM (JQjhA)

6 Congratulations to the IAEA. They're on an important crusade/jihad against a thing most dangerous in the wrong hands, hope the few million N. kronor help... Unfortunately, their victory cost me 300 €, since I bet on Ahtisaari...

Posted by: Haccapelite at October 07, 2005 02:56 PM (lGolT)

7 I care.

Posted by: Oyster at October 07, 2005 03:24 PM (fl6E1)

8 Shit! Is there nothing else to believe in?

Posted by: greyrooster at October 07, 2005 09:51 PM (M7kiy)

9 Yes, rooster, there is one thing you can believe in: your rifle. You will need it sooner rather than later the way things are going, so keep it ready.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 08, 2005 01:07 AM (0yYS2)

10 IM: You know, the hubby and I were just laughing the other day that we're probably the only household in the neighborhood who has 9mm and .45 bullets rolling around in the kitchen junk drawer.

We're always ready;-)

Posted by: Oyster at October 08, 2005 10:03 AM (YudAC)

11 Maximus,

I just purchased a rifle recently and I witnessed something that I am curious about. Perhaps you or greyrooster, or anyone else out there might be familiar with the law.

As I was waiting for my purchase to be approved through BATF, I noticed that a Mexican(that is where he said he was born), who said that he was not a US citizen, attempted to buy a fireman. It was denied, but the denial was based on the fact that the Mexican guy could not prove he lived at his present address for over 90 days.

Is this true? Can a foreighner legally buy a firearm? If so, this has conatations in relation to the jihadists. Does anybody know?

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 08, 2005 04:17 PM (0raMr)

12 jj: If they have a permanent residency permit it is possible at least in some states (IANAL).

Posted by: Ursus Maritimus at October 09, 2005 06:48 AM (OAFyx)

13 OK, thanks, Ursus, I was ignorant of these facts. I need to get up to speed.

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 09, 2005 08:48 AM (0raMr)

14 They give awards to all the wrong persons these days i mean why do we even bother with awards anymore its becoming a waste of time

Posted by: sandpiper at October 09, 2005 09:50 PM (FpZEl)

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An appeals court in Sweden has cut the sentence of two Ansar al-Islam terrorists. Apparently Seven years is too harsh in Sweden for financing murder in Iraq. Meanwhile, an offshoot of Ansar al-Islam is practicing for jihad in Sweden where it claims to have found 'safe-haven'.

Swedish Radio International:

The two have been found guilty of collecting and transferring more than 148,000 US dollars to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who leads al-Qaida’s operations in Iraq, the Ansar al-Islam group, and other suspected terrorists in Iraq. They were linked to the December 2003 suicide bombing in Arbil, which took 4 lives.

They were sentenced by a lower court to 6 and 7 years imprisonment respectively, but the Stockholm Appeals Court changed the sentences to 4 and a half and 5 years, with permanent bans from entering Sweden after they are released.

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The The Army of Ansar al-Sunnah in Sweden announced on its website that it had opened a jihad training camp near Skane, Sweden (via Infovlad). I have backed up their original website HERE. The website warns

Please brothers and sisters, keep this website in secret and it will be online much longer.

The announcement also apologizes to the Swedish people for threats made by overzealous members of the group, and assures Swedes that they only wish to kill Americans and Zionists.

However, a veiled death threat is issued against an individual identified as Runar Søgaard, a Norwegian living in Sweden:

We urge all Brothers and Sisters to boycott / capture Runar Søgaard who is reported to be under police protection after offending us Muslimeen with a speech about Islam's final prophet, Muhamad..

May Allah(swt) give mercy and peace to the supporters who capture and punish Runar with the hardest punishment, by the grace of Allah...

We will capture him sooner or later and he will get the hardest punishment in the name of Allah (SWT); we never forget our enemies!

Runar Søgaard has been under police protection since he practiced his free speech rights (something forbidden in Islam) by saying, among other things, that Mohammed was "a confused pedophile." Which he was. He consumated his marriage with Aisha when she was 9 years old. What do you call that?

The website also claims that Sweden is a perfect place to practice jihad since the Americans don't dare to bomb it. Sweden is called a 'safe haven'.

The Ansar al-Sunnah in Sweden website also claimed earlier videos of sniper training and the use of high end explosives circulating among jihadi message boards were made by them. Our report on the earlier video is here.

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1 Only more proof that these vermin need exterminated. Root, branch, and seed, we should not let one live.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 27, 2005 05:44 PM (0yYS2)

2 The Swedes are many things but stupid isn't one. The site stikes me (I could be wrong) as the fantasy rantings of a wide-eyed pimple-faced lonely teenage boy (Muslim or otherwise)whose putting his hands to use in an exercise of mental masturbation. Well, at least he won't go blind.

Posted by: hondo at September 27, 2005 06:17 PM (4Gtyc)

3 I'm not sure, Hondo. I've been reading news reports of gangs of Muslims raping Swedish girls by the hundreds if not thousands. Whenever anyone who is Swedish has spoken up, they have been jailed under Swedish hate speech laws.

The people there are not allowed to protect themselves in any way, and the police will not intervene because they can't use deadly force against the Muslims. The police are attacked when they try to repond to minor crimes in Muslim areas.

Sweden is being rapidly taken over by radical Muslims, and that is why I think there is something to this report.

Posted by: jesusland joe at September 27, 2005 08:56 PM (rUyw4)

4 You're right jj, the Swedes have let liberals paint them into a corner. They can't fight, they can't even protest, so if they want to be safe, they have to leave. Or they can break out the ski masks and fight for their own country against this foreign pestilince.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 27, 2005 09:24 PM (0yYS2)

5 I know Swedes - they are a pretentious lot about being all progressive and pacifist. They were Hitler's best secret ally and business partner right up to the last days. The stories you have heard are over the top exaggerations being churned out by a small (but growing) neo-nazi movement within Sweden for domestic consumption. Sweden presents one face and hides another. They have the toughtest immigration and political asylum laws in Europe (quietly of course), and extremely few Muslims. They deal with them with a beneign form of neglect and harrassment - till they leave. They are big on posturing however (for the world to see - ie. the hate laws etc). Most of this is however internal liberal on liberal on left on whatever politics. As far as gangrapes - sex is a sport in Sweden (its a boring place otherwise) with multiple partners popular - so who knows?

Posted by: hondo at September 27, 2005 09:41 PM (4Gtyc)

6 Hondo, I'll refer you to Malvo, Sweden's third largest city, which is now on the verge of becoming majority Muslim. The Muslims are boldly proclaiming that Sharia Law will soon be instituted in Malvo.

There's just too much evidence that radical Muslims are about to control parts of Sweden. You have to remember that Sweden has a very small population, and could be overwhelmed with relatively small numbers.

The Muslims have used this strategy throughout history, with the conquest of Anatolia and the Crimean area as a case in point. I read some of the personal accounts of Christians monks about the immigration of the Seljuk Turks into that area. I tell you that the brutality of these people is beyond anything you can comtemplate. Only the Huns or Mongols(both of whom were related to the Turks) could strike that amount of fear into people. I can honestly say that the whole sordid account literally sickened me.

Posted by: jesusland joe at September 27, 2005 10:20 PM (rUyw4)

7 checked out the video - it has a childish quality to it - and nothing of any significance. It does seem to have something attached to it - probably a bat file or similar that it attempts to dump into computer (I'm searching for it now (takes time) - ran a virus check - nothing - I' m no computer expert but I am so so good - be leery of someone playing games getting you to DL a vid file and executing it

Posted by: hondo at September 27, 2005 10:25 PM (4Gtyc)

8 I know about Malvo. Muslims are visible and vocal by nature and they are full of themselves - Swedes are quiet and retiring by nature - they are also coldblooded and ruthless behind that facade with a history to match anyone's. When they act, its colectively - individually never (its spooky but they are cousins of the Germans). It was only 60 years ago that tens of thousands of Swedes served in the most hardcore of SS units. The final Battle for Berlin was fought predominately by them and other Scandies to the death. Weird huh.

Posted by: hondo at September 27, 2005 10:42 PM (4Gtyc)

9 I've been doing some reading, Hondo, and all the reports are contrary to what you're saying. Sweden has the second largest Muslim population, per capita, in Europe. Ambulances won't go to certain areas without a police escort. They've been threatened and told who to take and who to leave. Police not only travel by twos, but also in two cars close together.

Their asylum laws are the most liberal in that the one seeking asylum is allowed to bring uncles, cousins - basically his entire family. Muslims are seeking funding from Saudi Arabia for their own schools. In return for their money, Saudi sponsors are demanding a seat on the board or the right to appoint imams or school leaders. And of course, there will be no music or art as part of the curriculum, per Wahabbi and Salafi ways.

Sweden is so generous with the government handouts that it's drawing even more Muslims. A large percentage do not work. And how many times have we heard of extremists being arrested anywhere in Europe and they are unemployed and moved to that country "because" they could get support for nothing?

Malmo, Sweden has a heavy concentration of Muslim immigrants in particular. It is estimated it will be a Muslim majority city in less than 10 years. Crime is rampant in the growing ghettos there with rapes being 5 or 6 times higher than the lager city of Copenhagan, Denmark where there are fewer Muslim immigrants.

Sweden has flung their doors wide and welcomed immigrants so they can brag about being "multicultural" and soon there will be no more Swedes. They'll be the first Islamic country in the far north.

Read this from about a year ago. They're bringing it on themselves.

Posted by: Oyster at September 28, 2005 05:18 AM (YudAC)

10 Skane, Malvo/Malmo? Hehee, you guys can't write 'em right, since your keyboards lack the letters... It's Skåne and Malmö.

Posted by: A Finn at September 28, 2005 10:17 AM (lGolT)

11 Hey Finn, what’s your take on this story? It’s right next door in my Grandfather’s homeland.

Posted by: Brad at September 28, 2005 10:39 AM (3OPZt)

12 How is it that the Swedes can jail a Pastor for speaking out against same sex marriage and do nothing to Muslims for rape???

Posted by: Ryan at September 28, 2005 11:45 AM (91CBd)

13 Its been 20 years since I've been up that way - you got me doing some research and yes - there have been some really big changes. At lot here however still seems "over the top". Interestingly, rape is a growing problem but appears to be muslim on muslim. Seems to have something to do with muslim females appearing to become too "secular" or westernized which some muslims interpret as being whores and sluts. This whole muslim male/female thing is bizarre with similar delvelopments noted in France and Germany. No "honor" killings reported yet - still researching.

Posted by: hondo at September 28, 2005 12:44 PM (4Gtyc)

14 You guys are off your rockers.
" I've been reading news reports of gangs of Muslims raping Swedish girls by the hundreds if not thousands."

You crack me up. How the heck do you dream this rubbish up? I know why (it helps you perpetuate this ridiculous hatred), but god almighty.

Take a deep breath. Are you a Christian? Forgive dude! What happened to that 'other cheek'?

Posted by: Geebuz at September 28, 2005 12:48 PM (kJpdI)

15 Geebuz-
"ridiculous hatred", sorry am I supposed to be ok with rape because I am a Christian???
Maybe you are "off your rocker"?

Posted by: Ryan at September 28, 2005 01:00 PM (91CBd)

16 hey geebuz, take your stupid hippy love propaganda and shove it up your ass. In case you haven't noticed, these muslim animals would like to cut your throat, but then, I can hardly fault them for that. Hell, I'd hand 'em the knife if they all they were cutting were stupid hippies' throats.

As far as the situation in Sweden, here is a link to some videos, you can all decide for yourselves.
http://www.muslimsout.org/videos/videos.htm

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 28, 2005 01:36 PM (0yYS2)

17 geebuz

My associates may be a bit off on the numbers and completion of the rape victims (brown eyed brown haired muslim girls instead of blonde blue eyed ice princesses) but hey ... if Mohamad and his boys want to use rape and beatings to keep their womanfolk in line (you know - wanting a job, an education, showing a lil' ankle .. stuff like that) then who am I to complain. I want to be culturally sensitive and cool like you. Would that make me a good Christian?

Posted by: hondo at September 28, 2005 02:41 PM (4Gtyc)

18 I'm with you guys. Let's root out all of the over-zealous followers of all the desert monotheisms/abrahamic religions. Aint brought nothing but intolerance, suffering and death of millions over the years.

Posted by: Agnostic at September 28, 2005 03:36 PM (+lAkP)

19 Yeah, Agnostic, and while we're at it, let's kick the shit out of all those atheists and agnostics who supported the likes of Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Tojo, Chairman Mao, Amin, Ghengis Khan, Attila, and on and on.

Posted by: jesusland joe at September 28, 2005 04:00 PM (rUyw4)

20 Agnostic: Greek for "one who has no knowledge". You did know that, didn't you? Seems to fit, too. Well there, bucko, I'm a real atheist, not some wimply agnostic, and I'd rather live in the Bible Belt surrounded by Pentecostals than to have a single 'slamotard or leftard like you within a hundred miles of me. Christians aren't perfect, but they're a damn sight better than 'slamotards, because Christianity is about uplifting humanity, while islam is about chopping heads, so take your moral equivalency and peddle it to the retards over at the Daily Kos-Aid.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 28, 2005 04:12 PM (0yYS2)

21 Some of the things you guys say are true while some are a 'tad' exaggerated.

Anyway for you openminded ppl out there who really want to know, Check out Fjordman's Blog. His Scandinavic blog is A++, (he's actually Norwegian but writes in English) gives a good perspective on Sweden's (whole europe's actually) growing problem with Islamism.

Sweden's growing Islamic hate problem

Sweden: Shots fired at police station

This vicious attack with the automatic weapon happened after a 'mini' race riot, which started when the police were trying to apprehend a gang of teenage street punks for harassing a teenage girl (first calling her a 'wh*re', while she in turn responded by calling them some racial slur, then they responded by throwing something at her at to which the girl phoned her dad who in turn called the police). For some (pali/libtard attitudic) reason the situation deteriorated when the whole community turned against the police who had to call in backup with riot gear, 30 cop’s total. The situation later calmed down without anybody seriously getting hurt. But guess what, the police got the blame for being not being *sensitive* enough and for provoking the entire incident. There is now a libtard investigation under way.. n' about the shooting.. well, it was dismissed as an isolated incident commited by hardened criminals loosely linked to the earlier riot.. Police manage apprehended the preps and IF BIG *IF* justice manages to get them convicted they might face a max penalty of 8 years + parole!

Later another day I was reading the newspaper about a patrol car driving through the same neighbourhood when the teenagepunks started throwing rocks at them, police didn't even stop because they didn't want to provoke the community into another riot. I was all lol & *sigh* at the same time. FFS, who is in control??

So the cops although able they can't do much about the widespread growing violence (Islamic or otherwise) in Swe. They've got their hands tied up by the restrictive laws & libtard consenting attitude in this country towards crime.

Thankfully these Arabic punkvids are starting raise the public awareness about deteriorating attitude among some minorities plus making more and more Swede's raise questions about Islam's real abusive nature & what to do about it.

I just hope things start to change really soon before things get really ugly.

Otherwise nothing to see in lovely boring Sweden..

Peace out now, I'm outta here!

oh almost forgot, Sven and Inga send their best regards to y'all.

Posted by: Stereotype Sven Perspective at September 28, 2005 05:19 PM (7ZsmI)

22 Vey well acquainted with fjord man.

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at September 28, 2005 05:57 PM (JQjhA)

23 JesuslandJoe: There you go again. Banging against us athestist. We don't say bad things about you Christians. So knock it off. I disagree with all the people you mention. Well, maybe not with Attila. Seems like he had his act together.

Posted by: greyrooster at September 28, 2005 06:07 PM (M7kiy)

24 Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Tojo, and Mao weren't atheists, they were typical liberals; they worshipped themselves, and expected everyone else too.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 28, 2005 06:56 PM (0yYS2)

25 Greyrooster,

Wasn't speaking against atheists in particular, just wanted to highlight the hypocracy of Agnostics post. He wanted to rid the world of Christians and Jews, along with the Islamists. Never throw out the baby with the bathwater, that's what I always say.

Posted by: jesusland joe at September 28, 2005 07:20 PM (rUyw4)

26 It's the meek that are the problem. Bloody splitters.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 28, 2005 09:11 PM (0yYS2)

27 Wow...amazed by the amount of weirdly educated hatred in this room. I mean usually when you get this kind of negative banter, the lot is full of miisspellinggs and %$#*& words...here though, I mean, damn, this is rather educated but still highly misguided! Sweden, like France, has a problem doing the right thing. You think it is because the Swedish cops/politicians are too weak to step forward? Yes, you are damned right they are. Such a large Muslim population..what to do???

Break it apart though my friends. These coppers in Sweden go to school for 3 years of police training plus 2 years of education. In the U.S. there is a 3-month police academy. Now the Swedes...yes, they turn the blind eye...but these blokes are big boys...sorry, big Swedes. They can take care of themselves. Sweden is rated in the top 10 places to live on planet Earth. I think they know what they are doing. Yes, crime is increasing. I have spent years in and out of Sweden and you know the biggest problem? Two-fold. One, the closing of the mental hospitals (I knew one woman who was raped and killed by a...get this...a Swede..and a white one!!!)...there is a high amount of mental problems giving rise to crime throughout the country (side note, Sweden has the highest suicide rate in the world followed by Japan and in the USA, Seattle is number 1 followed by Alaska...I have lived for 25 years in all of these places...ouch...yet I feel strangely happy!) ...the other fold is the Swedes are very much racist. Oh, they won't admit it, but take Tumba. A cute little suburb outside of Stockholm. It is considered one of the most dangerous places in the country. I saw nothing, felt nothing, read nothing even remotely as similar to that of Chicago, NYC, Miami, Houston, New Orleans, Seattle, LA, more more more. I did see, however, many little dark skinned children running around. You know the danger in Tumba? About 3 years ago they had a crime spree...1 car on average was stolen...and guess who was stealing them? Dark skinned people...well damn, that is where they live, on the outskirts...it is a financial issue...only that.

Is there a problem? You betcha. Islam, Christianity, Judism, all-of-it...what it is, is a clash of civilizations and that is so so sad. These bastards in Iraq stringing up US soldiers and burning, cutting, ripping their bodies apart shows an animalistic state...however...what does the Marine Lindsy England and her torturing photos of the poor Iraqi blokes in US prisons mean? She too, I feel is a damned animal. They are all bad bad bad.

Well just some random thoughts...yes, Islam as it is practiced as of late, is HORRIBLE. It is not Islam though. I challenge that those who have read the Quran and studied it are not doing what they are doing. You know why? Because they cannot read. Approx. 65% illiteracy rate in those under 30 in Iraq. (and 85% of statistics are made up on the spot, right?) Those that know the Quran and believe in it and understand it would not act in this manner. Are they freedom fighters? Hell no. They are animals. Methodology, in my opinion, is all that matters...it points to those acting out in this manner, being, animals...

Peace.

Posted by: Brad S at September 28, 2005 10:40 PM (UgHw0)

28 Sweden has not yet learned of the benefits of flexible equality laws... Neither have you, for that matter, but the traditional "minorities" are too strong and feminofascists (politically active non-conservative (conservative ones shall be known as shacklefordians) gays and women with serious media or "education"-related brainwash) have too much power for your gov. to make such laws.
Helps police actions a plenty, when there's a law that says rioting minorities or majorities, ethnic or otherwise, or ones engaging in illegal activity in large groups, temporarily lose human rights on a scale depending on the severity of their actions.

Posted by: A Finn at September 29, 2005 04:23 AM (cWMi4)

29 Read: Brad don't ask for my take on this, my opinion in a state of mind, in which I am in no way motivated to comment on things barely over my limit between evvk and ?!?!, is something no-one wishes to read, since it will contain parts that are false, insulting, confusing and/or overradical to adjust the comment to the level of negative thinking I have at the current moment.

Posted by: A Finn at September 29, 2005 06:14 AM (cWMi4)

30 Now, back to the ultrawarm and relatively dry autumn we're having, damn that global warming...

Posted by: A Finn at September 29, 2005 06:17 AM (cWMi4)

31 After reading the last four posts, I shall have to go somewhere and untangle my mind.

Posted by: jesusland joe at September 29, 2005 10:26 AM (rUyw4)

32 Interesting to see just how much bad gall my first post brought up seeming it was supposed to point out the bizarre this discussion is.

Trying to point out the absurdity of pushing the practitioners of a major world religion indiscriminately over one ledge. Bashing one of the desert monotheisms is ok but going at the other two brings down verbal brimstone? Even though atleast one of the other two have an equally long and still growing horrendous list of disgusting deeds committed in it's name. Doesn't matter if it's an over the top anti-abortion christian who pumps gynecologists full of lead, if it's a hamas-muslim looney who straps on a semtex vest and goes for a one-way ride on bus nr.36 bound for the Haifa Bat Galim station or if it's a kahanist jew who goes postal in a mosque at morning prayers. They are all so far off in their self-righteousness it's sickening and are hardly good representatives for their respective religions and faiths.

I don't know what kind of experience or knowledge you have or think you have considering areas such as Rosengard in Malmo. But if you're thinking that the trouble in this area is a all muslim one, then you're wrong. That suburb holds people from so many religions, continents, cultures etc. that it's impossible make any assumptions about who is responsible for the crimes commited. The situation is more a creation of the failure of Swedish politics in balancing integration with imigration thus creating outer city-ghettos. As far as the terrorist training camps go (if they really exist that is?) they are unacceptable and must be dispersed by the Swedish authorities (if they have the cohones to do it?).

Nailing up generalized biggot opinions on any religion just goes to show how little thinking that poster has done. How about speaking to some muslims living in, oh let's say Malmo, and perhaps getting to know some of them. Might find out that the majority of them are rather secularized and sane.

Improbulus Maximus:
Yes, I do know the meaning of the word "Agnostic" thank you very much. I guess you - since you too sport such a stunning name in a classical language - know the many meanings of improbus, yes? Some flattering and tough, some downright comical. A leftard like me? Why don't you throw around a couple of "liberal" aswell. I promise you, they'll stick as little to me as I think you'd feel affected by "facist" or other would-be-insults. Leave the name-calling to children.

Posted by: Agnostic at September 29, 2005 12:10 PM (W9M+i)

33 A Finn, Let's just hope the global warming doesn't move the Gulfstream, I don't want Polar bears at my doorstep digging through my trash..

I dunno how you handle minorites over in Finland, but I'm sure your program is much more demanding because you got much less lefties and a lot more experince from handling migrating Russkies from Happy Putin Land (Great former and so sucessfull USSR).

Long live and Prosper Dear Comrade

Now turn over the island of Ã…land and Ã…bo(you can have Tornedalen and all the Saami)

Posted by: Sven at September 29, 2005 01:06 PM (7ZsmI)

34 Wellcome Sven: We need you to decipher what A FINN writes. Being of Swedish/Norwegion extraction myself he pisses me off when talking about sweden. Being of Swedish/Norwegion racial makeup and being an American at the same time makes me somewhat like superman when compared to the Finnish/Ruskie types.
I didn't know there were that many muslims in Sweden. What gives? Why are the Swedes making the same mistakes much of Europe, Canada and America has made. They breed like rats and will drag your beautiful country down. You cannot bring these people out of the trees and expect them to behave like civilized people overnight. Beware.

Posted by: greyrooster at September 29, 2005 09:47 PM (ywZa8)

35 Hmm... islands of Ahvenanmaa/Ã…land for your parts of Lappi/Ruija/Lapland, but we're keeping Turku/Ã…bo.

Grey rubber chicken-with-a-pulley-in-the-middle: rotflmao. Superman... and a big >=( for putting Finns and Ruskies in the same category.

Posted by: A Finn at September 30, 2005 04:05 AM (cWMi4)

36 Impy, your brain is a burnt sweater and your brother is a size queen

Posted by: Downing Street Memo at September 30, 2005 05:51 AM (A5eqb)

37 I refer to an unspoken triple alliance US-Israel-India against jihad. To all you people in this discussion.
Hondo understands the Swedish mentality. I like Swedes but Hondo write the truth. Swedes love to be loved and they want the world to think they are almost Christ-like, perhaps on the same leage as John the Baptist. In truth, Swedes don´t owe muslims a living. I think Islamic society is undergoing rapid change,this offends hard terrorist like muslims. Basically, I am saying have some humanity towards muslims, but use your common sense. have a look at:
http://www.faithfreedom.org
when you see a muslim on the street he might be the brain-less violent moron you expect him to be he might be an apostate.

Posted by: triple alliance at October 13, 2005 09:59 AM (gJkE2)

38 To brad have a look at:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/
there could be an apostacy epidemic
when the literacy rate increases in islamic countries. No other major world religion suffers from the pedophile/mass murder scandal asociated with Islam. I think the future will be more spiritual in nature, this mean organised religion may become less popular. Some religions may vanish, I think Islam will vanish before this century is over i.e people will stop beleiving in it. Many religions in the past have vanish such as the Roman religion.

Posted by: triple alliance at October 13, 2005 10:09 AM (gJkE2)

39 The Finnish policy with immigrants has traditionally been a tough one: when they are admitted to live here, they are dispersed amongst the general populace and not let to be amongst their own.

This has raised several protests as people in general do relate with immigrants, especially those coming from Muslim countries, with certain voices of protests, but at the same time it has prevented slummification and birth of ghettoes.

Another aspect is conscription. Each and every Finnish male is basically first and foremost a soldier and next a citizen. Like Israel, Finland is an army which has its own nation. And that applies to the sons of immigrants as well. When they hit 20, they are drafted in the army on pain of prison. Army is an excellent method of socializing people coming from different backgrounds and creeds. It is also a method of weeding out the youngsters the foolish thoughts of themselves and diluting their ideologies. Conscription also serves, besides creating an excellent high-class army, also as citizen education. You learn to be a Finnish citizen and be patriotic and true to your flag. That is an experience sorely missed on those countries which rely on mercenaries.

Those aspects have helped us to dilute and dampen the fervent ideologies and religious craze. Finnish Muslims are usually a very peaceful and even patriotic lot.

What I think about the situation of Malmö? In my opinion it is sad - an example of a failed policy. The problem is that while letting the immigrants living amongst their own kin is good for the immigrants themselves, it sadly is harmful the whole society. The imminent result is slummification; the immigrants turn inside, don't care of socializing with the general populace, don't even bother to learn their language to socialize, nor bother to search employment amongst the general populace. Another aspect is that while the immigrants are dispersed amongst the general populace and forced to socialize with them, it quickly forces them to adopt the values and ways of the general populace. No treating of women as breeding machines any more.

To our Swedish friends: We would gladly trade Ã…land with Tornedalen - unfortunately the Ã…landers themselves oppose the deal. Instead of being priviledged recognized minority here, they'd become a very rural outer islands inhabitants there. I'm not also quite certain if they'd like to quit Euro and adopt SKR.

Posted by: Another Finn at October 29, 2005 01:43 AM (sdgGZ)

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The Left constantly whines about Bush driving away European allies, yet, at nearly every turn in the past several years, those more closely aligned with the principles of limited government, lower taxes, open markets, and a defense of liberty abroad have won. Now if we could only get Bush to live up to his own rhetoric this country would be in much better shape.

Poland:

Polish papers are in little doubt that the apparent victory of the centre-right Law and Justice party, the PiS, in the country's first general election since joining the EU was a convincing one.

"PiS beat the Platform," says a headline in the influential Gazeta Wyborcza, referring to the Civic Platform, which seems to have come a close second.

"A radical change of power achieved with record low turnout" is how the paper sums up the result.

The Right, it says, will dominate the new Sejm (parliament).

The outgoing ruling left looks set to see its strength slashed from 217 to about 50 deputies, marking the lowest point since it was created in 1990 by reformed communists.

There was, however, one surprise: the fact that the outgoing ruling party, the former Communist Democratic Left Alliance, appears to have come third.

Beset by a series of corruption scandals, it had been expected to do worse.

"It got 11% of the vote and as many as 50 seats," Gazeta Wyborcza says. "Could this be because President Kwasniewski had campaigned on its behalf?"

This theme is echoed in the weekly Wprost.

"A sense of joy, even triumphalism reigned on Sunday night at the headquarters of the greatest winner among the losers - the Democratic Left Alliance."

What is extremely good news for the U.S. is that the ex-communist government that has been ousted from power was a supporter of the Iraq war. The two incoming right-of-center parties that are expected to rule also support the Iraq war and are Western in orientation. That is to say, alliance with the U.S. is not on the table in Poland, all major parties agree to that--Left and Right.

Here is a run down from the BBC on the two incoming parties' foreign policy stance:

What kind of foreign policy would the two pursue?

Both parties say they want to maintain Poland's close relations with the US and to play an assertive role in the EU.

Both see Russia as a potential strategic threat - and say Poland should seek to diversify its sources of oil and gas.

But while Civic Platform would also like to work closely with Germany, Law and Justice is more prone to nationalist rhetoric.

Here is how the Polish government classifies these two parties:

The Law and Justice Party (PiS) is a right-wing party which cherishes the traditions of independence and derives from the Solidarity movement of the 1980s. PiS represents a right-wing electorate which favours a traditional social order, a free-market economy, a strong and wholesome state, the principle of law and order and a resolute fight against crime and corruption. PiS was created in 2001. The best-known Law and Justice politicians are: Lech Kaczyński, Jarosław Kaczyński, Ludwik Dorn, Zbigniew Wasserman, Wiesław Walendziak, Kazimierz Marcinkiewicz.

The Citizens' Platform (PO) was created in 2001 by Andrzej Olechowski, Donald Tusk, and Maciej Płażyński (then Speaker of the Senate), former members of the UD and AWS parties. The Citizens' Platform is a group which represents the liberal electorate, private entrepreneurs and business circles, as well as all who want a wholesome and robust state based on a free-market economy and the principle of competition. The leaders of Citizens' Platform are: Andrzej Olechowski, Donald Tusk, Paweł Piskorski.

In Poland, in contrast, there was never any doubt as to where oppression came from: Moscow. The Polish Left was never privy to the kind of anti-Americanism that prevails among the Western elite. They were anti-American because their masters in the USSR commanded them to be.

But, maybe there is a better theory floating around out there.

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