The European Union is considering a plan which would force telecommunications companies to log and store all e-mail, internet, and mobile phone calls for one year. The plan is part of a wave of new anti-terror measures sweeping across the Continent in the wake of the July bombings in London.

There is a growing awareness across Europe that significant portions of the large immigrant population from North Africa and the Middle East have extremist religious views. Terrorist threats are now seen as coming from domestic as well as foreign forces. more...

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Reader fan mail from an IP in Maastricht, the Netherlands. Am I wrong but isn't Nazi ideology illegal in the Netherlands? Wrap that same ideology under the banner of Islam, though, and the Left goosesteps into line to protect this vile speech and pretends that such sentiment is not common. How come I get similar comments nearly every day, the vast majority of which trace to Europe?

This could be right out of Mein Kampf. more...

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UPDATE: The men have been caught and they are Chechens.

Via ITB this from Reuters:

Three Chechen men who were overheard at a bus stop talking about becoming “heroes before Allah” were detained and questioned on Friday after sparking a major security alert in Germany, but police said they did not appear to have been planning an attack.

Hamburg police said the men, aged from 21 to 25, had been found after a manhunt in which more than 1,000 officers had thrown up overnight roadblocks and scoured Germany’s second city.

Hamburg police chief Reinhard Chedor told a news conference: “At the moment I don’t believe there were any concrete attack plans.” He said the men were being held for further questioning and declined to give further details.

Elections are coming up in Germany and Schroedder is trailing in the polls. Now is the time to get tough on terrorists. Notice the Clintonian policy of not starting a manhunt for the terrorists because police didn't want to interfere in a criminal investigation. Treating terrorism as common act of criminality is what gave us 9/11. Also, recall that Hamburg was at the center of the 9/11 plot. Radical Islamists roots run deep in that city.

LA Times:

More than 1,000 police officers were deployed Thursday to search for three suspected terrorists, a police spokesman said.

Roadblocks and controls were set up at 12 points in this northern port city after an Arabic-speaking witness overheard the men praising Allah and heroism Wednesday at a bus stop. One was carrying a backpack.

Police said the three men had been recorded by video surveillance cameras and their pictures would be released.

"We don't know at this point whether there is something to the tip or not," Hamburg state Interior Minister Udo Nagel said at a news conference. There were no concrete clues about any attack, he said.

The witness told police he heard one of the men use the phrase "heroism before Allah." The men then boarded a bus.

A police official said the launch of the search and release of information was delayed a day because the police did not want to jeopardize their initial criminal investigation.

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Presses Universitaires de France has published a new book which documents the speeches of top al Qaeda leaders, including Osama bin Laden and Aymal al Zawahiri. LeMonde runs a full page review of the book, but pans it because the prose of Zawahiri can't really be compared to the genius of the Ayatollah Khomenei or with the Muslim Brotherhood's Sayyid Qutb--those guys really knew how to put antisemetism and islamofascist utopianism into words!.

And besides, says the Le Monde reviewer, how come the authors of the book didn't challenge al Qaeda's assertion that jihad is somehow a call for violence when every one know that jihad is an internal struggle thing, right?

You gotta love the French.......

Hat tip: No Passaran

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(Hamburg, Germany) The Hamburg State Superior Court found Moroccan citizen Mounir al-Motassadeq, 31, guilty of membership in the 9-11 terrorist organization and sentenced him to seven years in prison, less than half the 15 years imposed on him in 2003 verdict that was overturned.

From Expatica.com:

Presiding Judge Ernst-Rainer Schudt ruled that Motassadeq had been the "polite, friendly, reserved" member of an eight-man terror cell. Led by an Egyptian, Mohammed Atta, it formed in the German port city of Hamburg in autumn 1999.

"From being friendly, nice young men, they turned into fanatics," said Schudt. Motassadeq had "gone along" with this, not dissociating himself, and had taken over administrative tasks for the group.

Three of the cell members including Atta later piloted hijacked planes that were used as missiles on September 11, 2001 in attacks on New York, Washington DC and Pennsylvania. U.S. President George W. Bush declared a "war on terrorism" in response.

"The complete picture shows the accused to have been a member of a terrorist organization, but not to have been an accessory to the murderers of September 11," said Schudt.

Companion post/pic at Interested-Participant.

UPDATE: As Lawhawk notes in the comments of a related post, that's 1.17 days per victim for Mounir al-Motassadek

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Followers of this will not be surprised, but evidence continues to mount that Bosnia is becoming the focus point for global jihadis in training. But, wait, I thought Bosnia........??

AINA:

Terrorists who previously targeted the U.S. are now in Bosnia, where they have access to a "one-stop shop" of jihad training camps, weapons and illegal Islamic 'charities' -- all at the doorstep of Europe, terrorism experts said.

"[Convicted terrorist] Karim Said Atmani recently returned to Bosnia after being released early from French prison for 'good behavior,'" terrorism expert and author Evan Kohlmann said.

Atmani, a Moroccan, was linked to the "millennium bomb plot" and convicted by a French court of colluding with Osama bin Laden. He has been linked to the Armed Islamic Group (GIA), an organization responsible for airplane hijackings and subway bombings in France...

Also finding haven in Bosnia is Abu el Maali, who like Atmani, was a foreign national who fought in the Bosnia war. El Maali was later accused by French authorities of attempting to smuggle explosives in 1998 to an Egyptian terrorist group plotting to destroy U.S. military installations in Germany. He was also accused of leading terrorist cells in Bosnia, Pakistan and Afghanistan.

"This activity is very significant," said Kohlmann. "Senior members of the former Muslim Brigade and their top commanders are still there, and they're still active."....

Cybercast News Service has also obtained a video that terrorism analysts say depicts an active jihad training camp in Bosnia-Herzegovina, a region previously described by analysts as an ideal gateway for terror missions into Europe.

The video, which is over four minutes in length, shows outdoor maneuvers, explosives training and training inside what appears to be a school gym. Exercises in hostage-taking are also shown....

The presence of active jihadist camps in Bosnia-Herzegovina was also confirmed by attorney and counter-terrorism expert Darko Trifunovic, who previously served as a diplomat in the foreign service of Bosnia and Herzegovina.

Kohlmann said that the main camps used during the war have been closed, and a different tactic for jihad training has emerged: disguising them as youth camps. "These days, usually the kind of jihad camp you'll see in Bosnia and other countries are so-called 'youth camps.'" They are usually led by a former member of the mujahadeen, someone with military experience, and perhaps a fundamentalist cleric, said Kohlmann....

Al Qaeda cells were set up in Bosnia in the early 1990s by Ayman al Zawahiri, Osama bin Laden's right-hand man, and bin Laden was said to visit the area twice in the mid-1990s," Brown added. "Iran was very involved in supporting the Islamist separatist movement in Bosnia, and Hezbollah was doing training there in the 1990s."

Training also takes place inside youth centers and school gyms, according to Trifunovic....

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The Army of Ansar al-Sunnah has released a video in which they claim they are testing explosive devices in Sweden. They also threaten to use the 'high explosive' device. The video may be downloaded here (hat tip: Doubletap). Images from the video posted below.

While the video proports to be from Ansar al-Sunnah, it bears the markings of an Islamic Army in Iraq (IAI) production. The IAI uses a free version of Elecard for its video productions. However, the two groups are both affiliated with al Qaeda and have been known to collaborate in the past.

Sweden has a sizeable Kurdish and Arab immigrant population. While most Kurds are very pro-American, a very small minority supports the establishment of a Taliban-like state. The Army of Ansar al-Sunnah is an offshoot of now defunct Kurdish Army of Ansar al-Islam, and may also include Arab elements.

The Army of Ansar al-Sunnah is notorious for murdering hostages in Iraq. The group recently released a propaganda video showing the remains of Marine sniper Jeffrey A. Boskovich. For more information on the evil deeds of The Army of Ansar al-Sunna, I suggest doing a Jawa search for 'ansar'.

Was this video really produced by violent jihadis living in Sweden as it claims? It remains a distinct possibility. I have a feeling this post will be updated in the coming days. more...

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A Tunisian air flight between Sicily, Italy, and Tunisia has crashed in the Mediterranean Sea. Conflicting reports estimate the number of dead between 7 (Xinhua) and 19 (EItB). 39 people were aboard the plane, many have survived.

No indication on what the cause of the crash was. Reports seem to suggest that the plane was suffering some sort of technical malfunction. However, a number of al Qaeda communiques specifically mention Italy as a target for terror operations. Developing...Reuters:

At least seven people were killed and 20 injured when their Tunisair flight from Italy to Tunisia made an emergency landing in the sea off Sicily on Saturday after reporting a technical fault, emergency services said.

The pilot of the plane, which had 39 people on board, made a distress call to Palermo airport at 3:24 p.m. (2:24 p.m. British time), requesting to make an emergency landing, an official at Italy's civil aviation authority told Reuters.

The plane landed about 12 miles (19 km) out at sea at 3:40 p.m. and shortly afterwards survivors were seen on the wings of the floating plane. A Tunisian government official told Reuters by telephone that 24 of 35 passengers, all Italians, survived the crash.

ANSA newswire said the death toll was at least nine.

Survivors brought to shore at Palermo were seen being helped out of rescue launches, many with bloody faces and ripped clothes, some yelling in pain. The port was milling with ambulances while helicopters buzzed overhead.

The twin-turboprop ATR 72 had taken off from Bari in southern Italy, heading for Djerba, Tunisia, police said.

ATRs are made by Avions de Transport Regional, based in France, and can carry up to 72 passengers. Earlier, emergency services had identified the plane as the smaller ATR 42 model.

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Leftards always cry racism whenever we point out the fact that while not all Muslims are terrorists, almost every terrorist is a Muslim. As if Muslim was a race. Just to please our leftard readers, I bring you news of a lilly-white terrorist teenager. Better click the link to see the punchline.

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The name of three of the four misunderstanderers of Islam, pieces of inhuman shit, and current bitches to Beelzibub himself have been released. [UPDATE 7/14---fourth suspect named, fifth man thought to be ex-North Carolina State graduate student and current instructor at Leeds University....scroll down for updates] fourth unnamed suspect is presumed dead in the fiery explosion that killed dozens and sent the human-bomb straight to hell. A fifth man, presumable alive, is being sought by police. We will update this post as more information becomes available. Be sure to scroll to end for updates.

Yes, it's people like these that make me hope that their is a) an afterlife b) justice in the afterlife. Thanks to Neil Doyle, British terrorism expert and author of Terror Tracker, for helping me find the names. Sources: Fox News here and here (with thanks to Tim at Opinion Bug for tip):

Shahzad Tanweer, Aldgate bomber.--a 22-year-old cricket-loving sports science graduate. His father, Mohammed Mumtaz Tanweer, was born in Pakistan and owns a fish and chip shop near their home on Colwyn Road. Shahzad Tanweer had lived in the Beeston area of Leeds his whole life.

Hasib Mir Hussain, Tavistock Square Bus Bomber-- 19. Hussain had lived with his Pakistani born parents in the Leeds suburb of Holbeck his whole life.

Mohammed Sidique Khan, Edgware Road Bomber.-- 30-year-old married father of an 8-month-old baby. Born in Pakistan but raised in Beeston. Moved to Lees Holm in Dewsbury about five months ago. Neighbors said he worked with disabled children while his wife was involved in education.

UPDATE: Lindsey Germaine, Jamaican-born, lived in Buckinghamshire.

Two other suspects may be the fourth bomber and the fifth conspirator from SMH Australia:

Rashid Facha-- in his 20s
Jacksey Fiaz-- 30

And how do friends and relatives describe the terrorist scumbags? It's always the same thing with these people. Our popular media likes to make extremists out to be fanatics in every aspect of their lives. The truth is that mass-murderering thugs like this tend to be quiet, mind their own business, and usually show no outward evidence of religious fanaticism. They are your typical good neighbors.

Fox:

Neighbors of Tanweer in Leeds' garbage-strewn rows of Victorian-era red brick houses were apprehensive and hostile, walking fast past reporters gathered at the cordons. One warehouse worker, who would only give his first name, Saj, said Tanweer was a "good lad" and an athlete.

"He was quiet," he said. "He was religious. He went to every mosque here. There are loads of mosques here."

And how is the Pakistani community reacting to the fact that all of the human time bombs were from their community? Are they trying to root out the evil in their midsts in a comparable way to anti-Hitler Germans in America fought the German Bund?

"This is not good for Muslims," Iqbal said. "We have businesses here. There will be a backlash."

Khalid Muneer, 28, a spokesman for the Hyde Park Mosque in Leeds, said the community was surprised by the raids and police claims that the bombers may have come from there.

"That connection would surprise us all, even shock the whole community. We still think it's too early to say," he told AP, adding that Muslims in the area were not opposed to Britain.

"I've seen no calls in this area for jihad against British or American forces. You will not get that sentiment expressed around this mosque."

You don't need explicit calls for jihad when you believe in the exact same worldview as the jihadis. Your mosque preaches hatred for America and Britain, you claim Muslims are being murdered at the hands of the West, you claim a Zionist conspiracy controls the UK and is responsible for poor conditions in Muslim lands, you claim the the Anglo-American alliance is killing millions of Muslims, and that a real holocaust is being committed against your brothers around the world---yet, you say you want to change things peacefully?

If the Anglo-American alliance is committing such attrocities then it would be your duty to fight them with whatever means were necessary.

Only a fool and moral idiot would believe that fighing mass-murder on a genocidal scale should only be achieved through peaceful means.

But I'm sure it wasn't a religious worldview that blames the woes of the Islam on the West that had anything to do with this. A worldview which suggests that there ought to be a single Islamic nation ruled by Islamic law. A worldview which reinforces the notion that Muslims belong to the umma--the nation of Islam--and that their allegiance is to the umma and not the host nation-state. A worldview which splits the world into the dar al-Islam, the territories governed by those who have submitted to Allah, and the dar al-Harab, or the House of War--which by definition sets up a belief system in which Muslim lands are seen positively and non-Muslim lands are seen negatively. A worldview which cannot fathom without resorting to conspiracy theories the fact that the West is so powerful while Muslim nations are so weak, given the fact that the Quran explicitly predicts the eventual domination of the world by Islam.

Nope, the ideology that is Islam had nothing to do with it. I'm sure it was, like, poverty or something.

Leeds, about 185 miles north of London, has a population of about 715,000. About 15 percent of the residents are Muslim, and many come from a tight-knit Pakistani community, mostly from Mirpur, south of Islamabad in Pakistani-controlled Kashmir. Other pockets of the community are mostly Arab....

The three suspects appear to have come from a moderately affluent sect of British society. They reportedly rode in a rental car to London, toting military style backpacks. The fourth bomber remains unidentified, but is believed to be from the Luton area northwest of London.

SHEHZAD Tanweer, Shazzy to his friends, was a cricket-loving sports science graduate whose father ran the local chip shop.

The Bradford-born 22-year-old who spoke with a broad West Yorkshire accent, boarded an eastbound Circle Line train from London's Kings Cross station a week ago, where he detonated a bomb, killing at least seven commuters...

If ever there was a family of model immigrants, it was the Tanweers. Originally from Pakistan, they had made a good life in Britain, running their Leeds fish and chip shop and living in a large detached house in the city's Beeston area, with two Mercedes cars parked outside.

They were a close-knit family of good Muslims, respected in a local multi-ethnic community of whites, Africans, east Europeans, Pakistanis and Bengalis.

Shehzad had a brother and two sisters, children of the proprietor of South Leeds Fishery, a familiar and respected figure in the Beeston community. The fish shop was open for business on Tuesday but there was no sign of its owner.

Mohamed Ansaar Riaz, 19, and Azzy Mohamed, 21, said their friend Shehzad was "the best lad you could ever meet".

They described how he had grown up in Beeston, studied sports science subjects at university and been a competent all-rounder for a local Asian cricket team. He last played only a fortnight ago.

"He was a sweet guy who gets on with everyone," Mr Riaz said. "He had a fantastic sense of humour and could make you laugh. He was also a very intelligent person. His family, like other Pakistanis, Bengalis and Iraqis around here, are 100 per cent devoted to the Koran.

"Shehzad never drank and I never heard him swear. The idea of him going down to London to explode a bomb is unbelievable; it is not in his nature to do something like that. He is the kind of guy who would always condemn extremism, like any good Muslim should. I have heard him many times in the past say such things."

Shehzad's uncle, Mohamed Azfal, said his nephew visited Pakistan last year. The family had come originally from Faisalabad.

Tanweer, whose family came to Leeds from Pakistan in 1961, had lived all his life among the back-to-back houses of Beeston, on hills overlooking Leeds United's Elland Road stadium.

Hussain attended the local Matthew Murray High School, now called South Leeds High School, and Khan only left Beeston five months ago to move to Dewsbury....

Ms Hussain said she had grown up with Tanweer and was his sister Tabsum's best friend.

"I couldn't imagine anyone in that family doing anything like this, it is really shocking.

"He [Shehzad Tanweer] used to pray five times a day, but what was he thinking?

"Nowhere does Islam tell you to go and kill yourself. It is the worst thing you can do."

Now check out this. I bet the 'mastermind' had a hooked nose, wore a little beanie, and used Arab blood when preparing the Passover matzoh.

She believes the suspected bombers must have been influenced by a mastermind outside the local community.

"There are three mosques that people go to round here and you would never hear anything like that there. I don't know anyone who thinks like that."

Her friend Uzma Rafiq, until recently a student in Leeds, said: "There must be somebody else behind this who has sent them down the wrong path."

UPDATE: Evan Kohlmann on an experience he had while visiting London.

When pressed on his point about Palestine, Faisal reiterated several times, "that's all occupied Muslim land. Every single part of it is Muslim land and it all has to be taken back by force... yes, the women have to be targeted... in Israel, we're going to target the women... if the children get killed, the Jewish children, can blame yourselves" for living on occupied land.

Perhaps what disturbed me the most about Faisal's desperate words was searching around the room and seeing dozens of eyes diligently trained on him--the eyes of young, impressionable Muslim kids. It is common in this modern era for Western youths (of all backgrounds) to worship popular rock stars or Hollywood actors and aspire to become them. Yet, for many years, the radical religious fringe has preached a consistent countermessage to young Muslims: "by virtue of your heritage alone, you are different from your peers and 'we love death as they love life.'" A minority of these youths have been raised to idolize Usama Bin Laden and Mohammed Atta in the same way that many Americans follow Johnny Depp and Bruce Springsteen. With disastrous "Muslim wars" ongoing in Iraq and Afghanistan, some of those brainwashed into following Al-Qaida now see a unique opportunity for themselves to step forward from obscurity and become famous, heroic "martyrs" of the Islamic nation, much like the 9/11 hijackers. Let noone be mistaken: the deluded suicide bombers responsible for the carnage on 7/7 are far from alone. The age of the "human cruise missile" is now fully upon us and it is likely only a matter of time before this problem crosses the Atlantic and reaches the shores of the American homeland.

But as they watched soldiers, police and journalists invade their streets Tuesday, other young neighbors seethed.

They defended Tanweer as a good man who would not have done such a thing. Some, however, came close to justifying violence in response to a perceived assault on Muslims worldwide.

"You see Palestinian kids getting killed on the street in your living room, maybe you're going to flip," said a young man who identified himself only as Shakur, 27. It is not a matter of Al Qaeda carrying out attacks, he said. "The people are doing it themselves."

The uncle of one of the suspected London suicide bombers said his family had been "left shattered" by the news. Bashir Ahmed, 65, said the family of Shehzad Tanweer, who recently studied religion in Pakistan, could not accept he was capable of the bombings."It wasn't him. It must have been forces behind him," he said.

UPDATE 7/14: A chemistry instructor at Leeds University has been implicated as the possibe as the mastermind behind the 7/7 bombings. The way the article is written, it sounds as if he may have been a graduate student but I'm not sure how the British University system works exactly. more...

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Via Andrew Cochran, this Times of London article lists the names of those killed and missing in the London bombing attrocities. Apologies for copyright infringement, but I have reprinted the entire list because many online newspapers take down archived articles after a few weeks. The list is in the extended entry.

Remember, what happened was an attrocity not a tragedy. Never use the word tragedy to describe the deliberate acts of evil men. Attrocities are committed, tragedies happen. more...

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Unlike Kent Brockman, Oriana Fallaci will not be the first to welcome her new Muslim overlords. You will recall Ms. Fallaci has been indicted by an Italian court for telling the truth about Islam, which is now illegal in many of the more dhimmifide countries of the world. In the spirit of solidarity with Ms. Falluci let me just say that Muhammed was a rapist and piss be upon him!

She sees the decline of Europe in almost absolutist terms. Let's hope she is wrong. WSJ:

Ms. Fallaci speaks in a passionate growl: "Europe is no longer Europe, it is 'Eurabia,' a colony of Islam, where the Islamic invasion does not proceed only in a physical sense, but also in a mental and cultural sense. Servility to the invaders has poisoned democracy, with obvious consequences for the freedom of thought, and for the concept itself of liberty."....

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1 I'll be traveling to Italy next Wednesday. I'll send periodic reports and let you know if Fallaci is blowing smoke or not.

Posted by: greg at June 23, 2005 10:38 AM (/+dAV)

2 Unless you have plans to hang around a few Muslims or some communists, or sit in on some of the court hearings I doubt you'll get a true picture of anything.

When I read news of places like Ontario actually considering Sharia law for civil disputes I have no doubt that the Muslim community in every country is trying to have separate laws enacted strictly for them and their beliefs. Now we see it in Italy with Fallaci's indictment. With all due respect, Greg, judging from your past comments here, I'll have a little trouble imagining your reports as "unbiased". I'm not trying to be snide, just honest.

Do some shopping. Take in an opera. Go sight seeing. Just enjoy the trip. And I mean this with sincerity - I hope you have a good time. Italy is a beautiful country. Don't sully your trip with politics.

Posted by: Oyster at June 23, 2005 12:31 PM (fl6E1)

3 The fact that European countries are passing laws and prosecuting 'blasphemy' should provide some sort of clue. Oh well, apparently all wars lead to Europe, eventually.

Posted by: Defense Guy at June 23, 2005 12:33 PM (jPCiN)

4 Only the formerly imperialist EU-countries are doomed, not countries with less than 200 years of almost continuous independence (Reich-times/Napoleon/revolutions don't reset count) or those with a very northern location.

Posted by: A Finn at June 23, 2005 06:28 PM (lGolT)

5 Shiiiiiiit, and I was thinking of moving to Portugal for a while in a year or two. YBP, I know...super Catholic territory, but my lady is one of those "reformed" (bad) Catholics from that region.

Posted by: osamabeenthere at June 23, 2005 08:38 PM (CYGDF)

6 "my lady is one of those "reformed" (bad) Catholics from that region."

Osama, old bean--How did she ever hook up with a heathen like you?
She IS "reformed"!!!

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 24, 2005 08:32 AM (x+5JB)

7 Haha...Good question! Actually...this heathen has better values than anyone she's ever dated. So I guess that things have worked out just fine. Damn there are so many posts to go through today. I'm getting plenty of laughs from "Bush Lies" posts...

Posted by: osamabeenthere at June 24, 2005 12:25 PM (CYGDF)

8 Yes--Truly Lewis Carrol after huffing.

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 24, 2005 12:51 PM (x+5JB)

9 More than likely she is not, let's just say this is the bed in which Europeans wanted to sleep, they won't like what type of bed they've made for themselves.

Posted by: Andre at June 24, 2005 02:48 PM (mfvPa)

10 Europe is finally waking up. Denmark is a good example. They are beginning to curb the influx of ragheads. They are also making welfare harder to get. Which really turns the muslim immigrates off.
ONE BIG FRIGGING PROBLEM: When they get the picture in Denmark they don't return to their own countries. They come to the hated America where liberal democrats welcome them with welfare checks, tax set asides and lawsuits against our people. Stop all third world immigration. They offer nothing but problems, jealousy and hatred for the hand that feeds them. They are right. We are fools.

Posted by: greyrooster at June 24, 2005 08:08 PM (CBNGy)

11 Silly White Sheet,

You are a Klancy Boy who can't live in reality.

Posted by: Downing Street Memo at June 26, 2005 12:16 AM (ScqM8)

12 But I tell the truth and quote factual references. You on the other hand do nothing but attack the messenger. Why do I think you ride a camel to work and shit standing up. That is if you work.

Posted by: greyrooster at June 26, 2005 05:14 PM (/rKIG)

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Good news, some of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's buddies from back in the day when he was kicking it old school style with the Ansar al-Islam crew have been arrested in Spain. I'd say send them to Gitmo, but these guys might just be into Christina Aguilera. More here.

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The funny thing is that the twits at the BBC report this as if it was shocking that 31 year old Frenchman easily pass for young boys. As if we needed the BBC to tell us that! more...

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Why does the US not want to have anything to do with international tribunals? Namely, because anti-Americanism in the world leads to acts of judicial tyrrany, such as this. Spain seems to be the worst of the lot these days. Make sure you check out the military reaction to the Spanish inquiry. Kind of makes you proud to be an American. more...

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1 Since the Spanish are a bunch of Appeasing cowards who fold faster than the french, this Judge can go f himself.

Posted by: Filthy Allah at June 08, 2005 03:10 PM (yBHNA)

2 >>>"Spanish Judge Wants to Question US Soldiers"

Him and whose army? Oh, he doesn't have an army? Then I second Filthy Allah-- he can go fuck himself.

Posted by: Carlos at June 08, 2005 03:12 PM (8e/V4)

3 We have a 2nd motion for the Judge to go F- himself. Rusty, would you formalize this motion?

Posted by: Filthy Allah at June 08, 2005 03:15 PM (yBHNA)

4 All in favor, say "Si".

Si.

The Si's have it.

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at June 08, 2005 03:17 PM (JQjhA)

5 Perhaps we can send this Judge a letter telling him of our motion

Posted by: Obsnooks at June 08, 2005 03:17 PM (yBHNA)

6 Well, since we're following Robert's Rules we better appoint a committe to draft a memo.

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at June 08, 2005 03:20 PM (JQjhA)

7 Is that military quote kind of like the famous WWII quote "Nuts" or what???

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 08, 2005 03:40 PM (x+5JB)

8 Si here as well.

Posted by: Howie at June 08, 2005 03:40 PM (D3+20)

9 Sign me up. But tell me, why do we need a committee to draw up a memo that consists of two words?

Posted by: Oyster at June 08, 2005 03:51 PM (fl6E1)

10 it's actually three words, and Leftists love reading from memos.

Posted by: Carlos at June 08, 2005 04:04 PM (8e/V4)

11 another reason I'm glad we pulled out of the "world court"

Posted by: dave at June 08, 2005 04:10 PM (fsJ2z)

12 Si!!! Si!!! Si!!! I say we send the Mexican dwarf bullfighters as our contingent.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20050607-0500-mexico-bullfight-dwarfs.html

Posted by: Editor at June 08, 2005 04:20 PM (adpJH)

13 I say Si too, ole!

andyx

Posted by: andyx at June 08, 2005 04:43 PM (Tgsjh)

14 So, now that we're all 'macho' and full of 'bravado' does any one have this guy's e-mail address? (notice the espanola ling?)

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at June 08, 2005 04:45 PM (JQjhA)

15 Rusty,

you forgot "cojones".

Posted by: Carlos at June 08, 2005 05:35 PM (8e/V4)

16 Hope that this 2 murders will get a death penalty.

Posted by: tim at June 08, 2005 05:50 PM (jw0u5)

17 Ah, Tim, and just what do you base your slander upon? Besides whatever you pulled out of your backside?

Posted by: SPQR at June 08, 2005 05:55 PM (xauGB)

18 I say we send a Marine Expeditionary Force along with the 82nd Airborne, and he can ask all the questions he wants.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 08, 2005 06:41 PM (0yYS2)

19 Isn't this Spanish judge the same one who always threatens to do the same sort of thing to any world figure he doesn't like?

Oh, no - I misremembered. It was a different Spanish judge that had Pinochet arrested in Britain back in '98.

Nonetheless, it seems odd to me that judges might instigate this sort of action on their own, rather than rely on a formal investigative/prosecutorial team. Thank G-d we don't have activist judges here....

Oh.

Well, not like that, we don't. Not yet.

Posted by: Russ at June 08, 2005 07:35 PM (zShs1)

20 I think the families of the soldiers accused should sue the Spanish judge for pain and suffering, libel, loading in a no loading zone, driving under the influence and any other damn fool thing they thing they can get away with. Or hell, maybe just anybody should sue this dickwad.

Posted by: vivi at June 08, 2005 08:49 PM (syZA+)

21 Not only do I support the move that we tell this judge to fuck himself in a well written letter, I move to deport Tim to Cuba from 30,000 feet.

All those who say SI

Posted by: Filthy Allah at June 08, 2005 09:04 PM (cgKSA)

22 Judge Baltasar Gorazon is the one who had Pinochet arrested. He's also been one of the staunchest prosecuters of accused terrorists in Europe - ones involved in 9/11 and ones involved in Madrid as well. He's a relative bright spot in the sea of denial and appeasement when it comes to Europe and the WoT. So let's calm the rhetoric about all Spanish judges. The article gives no indication if this is the same judge.

Regarding this one incident, I've already read about it several times, although I'm not going to dig for links. It was well publicized and then got a lot of replay during the Eason Jordan affair. It's already been investigated and the soldiers were backed up by a Boston Globe reporter who had been embedded with the unit and fighting with them the whole day - reminds you that not all MSM journalists are vile. Verdict: Accidental mistake made in the heat of a battle plus exhaustion from long intense fighting.

One thing is clear, the International Left is launching an all out war on the War on Terror and their targeting the military, now that their preferred target, Bush, has proved hard to get.

Posted by: John in Tokyo at June 09, 2005 03:08 AM (rh782)

23 Yes, Garzon had this case briefly and didn't do anything with it. He is a serious anti-terrorism judge and I don't think he wanted anything to do with this case. Probably needs good working relations with the US. Never heard of this judge. I know the family wants compensation and this could be part of that effort. The interesting this is this could totally ruin what's left of Spain/US relations if Spain plays this one wrong. I don't think the US cares one way or the other and will not take it seriously.

Posted by: Kate at June 09, 2005 04:07 AM (tEo0x)

24 The spanish are cowards like the french. F- them. I hope they get bombed again. Degenerate Appeasers.

Posted by: Filthy Allah at June 09, 2005 07:50 AM (yBHNA)

25 The Spanish court system, I believe, makes the judge very much like the eqivelant of a prosecutor. That is to say, judges are not 'neutral observers' of a conflictual fight like in the US. So judges have broad investigative powers...which sometimes, like here, they obvioulsy abuse.

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at June 09, 2005 11:47 AM (JQjhA)

26 Hey, hey, hey. Let's leave the French alone.

Let's not forget they were right about WMDs in Iraq.

Posted by: Robert at June 09, 2005 02:38 PM (ByaZN)

27 Filthy

F*** em I hope they get bombed again!

That not a bit harsh. The spanish people dont deserve to be punished because their government are fools, Have you not had your Scott Biao fix this morning

Posted by: sparky at June 09, 2005 05:58 PM (F1nba)

28 I´m witting from spain, thank you for your hopes "Filthy Allah"... nice words...

About de Spanish court system you´re right about the judge, here we have examining magistrate who makes the investigation and gets the evidences, but when he finish the investigation is other judge or a court (it depends on the possible condemnation) who pass the sentence.

About judge Baltasar Garzon he is teaching now, I think in US.

Posted by: ARM at June 09, 2005 06:06 PM (mvC+Z)

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Un-be-freaking-lievable! Dave Kasper at Medienkritik blogs out of Germany and keeps an eye on that nation's left-wing press. The latest lunacy out of Germany is a show broadcast on Germany's largest state-run television station which alleges that the Bush family was really behind 9/11.

Throughout the mystery the woman was chased by groups of unidentified villains who were out to kill her because she had a CD with photographic evidence of the Boston hijacker who got away. The subtext of the plot was her explicitly stated allegation that 9-11 was instigated by the Bush family for oil and power. The hit men were CIA/FBI types and the TV audience is led to believe they were the ones who killed the pilot and were now after the woman to insure her story would never be known. The conclusion of the mystery has the detectives believing her story as she escapes the CIA by fleeing to an unnamed Arab country.

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The first rule of Googlefight is we don't talk about Googlefight. Willisms has a good post here on Bush vs. Chirac, but it doesn't answer the important question: who would win in a fight, Bush or Chirac?* Googlefight answers that question. And the winner is: more...

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Here is the e-mail (with thanks to Italian blogger KrilliX) for the fascist who is prosecuting Oriana Fallaci for daring to speak out against the Islamification of Europe.

Armando Grasso
tribunale.bergamo@giustizia.it

Here is my letter

Sir,
You are a fascist for prosecuting a women for exercising her right of free speech.

I stand in solidarity with Ms. Fallaci and beg you to also prosecute me. I have said much worse about Islam that she has.

For instance, I have publicly called Mohammed a child molester since the most reliable Hadiths claim he married his last wife Aisha at the age of six and raped her at the age of nine.

Also, as we speak, I am burning a copy of the Koran. A shit stained copy of the Koran, I might add, since I have recently taken to using its pages for toilet paper. I have no excuse for this obvious act of desecration other than to provoke a response from Islamofascists and their European dhimmis (like you) bent on extinguishing liberty.

If you call yourself a man then you will immediately indict me for 'crimes' much worse than Ms. Fallaci is charged with and begin extradition hearings.

--
Dr. Rusty Shackleford
www.mypetjawa.mu.nu

Let me make something perfectly clear: I do not hate Muslims. I do not believe Muslims go to hell. I do not believe Muslims are bad people.

What I am is a lover of liberty.

What I hate about Islam is not what most Christians hate about Islam. What I hate about Islam is that it seems to be anti-libertarian. I could care less if Muslims want to condemn me to hell. Most Christians also believe I am going to hell. Thank you one and all for your concern for my eternal soul.

What I do object to is Muslims using the law to put people in prison (or worse) for exercising basic human rights such as the right to say bad things about, well, Islam.

I doubt if I represent what most Americans think, but I can say without reservation that I for one do not hate Muslims. But I do hate Islam. I also do not hate communists, but I do hate Communism. Islam in its historical and mainstream manifestation is every bit as evil as Communism was. It quashes the individual. It makes him a slave to the religious community.

Even liberal Islamic law is still Islamic law.

I have been told that thousands of slave owners were very nice. Despite the law, they educated their slaves, provided good food and shelter (certainly better than many free smallholders had), did not break up families, and allowed them a great deal of freedom of movement and worship. But no matter how pleasent the master may seem he is still the master. A happy slave is still a slave.

I will not be a willing participant in the Islamification of Europe. Too many Americans died to free the Continent from the slavery of Fascism. Countless billions of American dollars were spent protecting the Continent from the slavery of Communism.

We are now engaged in a great war of ideas. This war is not between Christians and Muslims. It is a war between freedom and Islam. It is a war of ideas. We cannot afford to lose this war.

While others are focusing on the veracity of the Koran story, let me pause to say, "So what?" What if the story is true? What does that mean exactly? So a dipshit 21 year old soldier flushes a copy of the Koran? It might offend people, but who has he hurt? No one.

UPDATE: Ron Wright has similar thoughts.

UPDATE II: McQ too.

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1 Well said.

Posted by: kjl at May 26, 2005 01:36 PM (NfZYP)

2 The big deal probably is that she's publishing an anti-Muslim book in a time of EUs Muslim country invasion. (membership negotiations with Turkish Cyprus, Turkey, Morocco, Albania and (Former Yugoslavian Republic of) Macedonia)
Nothing is allowed to mess with the EUs plans of continental domination, so naturally these voices of pro-Americanism and crusades must be silenced so we don't have to adjust any behaviour when the Muslims submit to EUs command.

Posted by: A Finn at May 26, 2005 01:50 PM (lGolT)

3 Wow, very well said indeed Rusty. If that letter doesn't provoke some sort of reaction, I dunno what would.

Posted by: tyler at May 26, 2005 02:03 PM (Y9Lwb)

4 You've got it all backward. With current demographic trends the EU will be Muslim in 100 years or so. YOu wouldn't want to piss off your new masters, would you?

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at May 26, 2005 02:03 PM (JQjhA)

5 "Also, as we speak, I am burning a copy of the Koran."

You sir, owe me a new keyboard. I will await remittance through the usual VRWC channels.

Posted by: Defense Guy at May 26, 2005 02:07 PM (jPCiN)

6 And to my country, Fascism brought nothing but a chance to get lost land back from Soviets, and thanks to Hitler forcing us to prove our might once more, the Communists became quite peaceful, and useful business assosiates. You should've kept your artificial noses out of it, so they could've fallen peacefully on their own, and we could've benefited more of their distress. If you wouldn't have messed with them they wouldn't have wasted all their effort on war machinery and space exploring instead of economy, wellfare and agriculture.

I don't see anything wrong with Sosialism. I see greedy people who destroyed a great goal, just because they didn't want to have a world where they got no power with their money and resources.

And before you start saying: "but the people in Soviet countries were suffering and being oppressed, blaa blaa blaa", I say it's your fault for declaring yourself their enemy and opposing to everything they tried to do, and in that way forcing them to use everything they had to defend from you instead of creating their ideal society. Yes, Stalin was an asshole, but you could've just killed him back in 1946 instead of increasing your military expenditures.

Posted by: A Finn at May 26, 2005 02:12 PM (lGolT)

7 Lol. When was the last time Muslims actually got power over something else than Spain or other deserts?

Posted by: A Finn at May 26, 2005 02:14 PM (lGolT)

8 On the other hand, I wouldn't mind switching to Progressive Islam like Turkeys.

Posted by: A Finn at May 26, 2005 02:16 PM (lGolT)

9 Finn

Once again your view of history is just wrong. I realize that you want to have a nice neat world where everything can be blamed on the US, but it just isn't the case.

Posted by: Defense Guy at May 26, 2005 02:17 PM (jPCiN)

10 Finn,
I suggest going to Turkey and saying something anti-Islamic. You will find yourself in jail.

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at May 26, 2005 02:24 PM (JQjhA)

11
Finn, ya gotta see the bombed out synagogue tour when you visit moderate Turkey.

I can just see them buying you drinks when you start with your “God doesn’t exist speech”
Actually, that kind of talk may land you in a Turkish prison. If that happens, I hope you packed your herring oil.

Posted by: Brad at May 26, 2005 02:36 PM (B54Lt)

12 Well, why didn't Mighty Finland knock off Mr. Stalin???? Have we got to do everything?? (Answer : usually). Plus you are a lot closer.

Posted by: Howie at May 26, 2005 02:40 PM (D3+20)

13 Finn,
Whatever you do, don't come to America and go to a rally for George Bush wearing an anti-Bush T-shirt. You will find yourself in jail. Such is the state of democracy in America.

Posted by: greg at May 26, 2005 02:43 PM (/+dAV)

14 Hey! I've been to Turkey, and everything was fine there. Their Islam is just like North European Protestant Christianity: As long as you don't start mocking it out loud in public places you can say anything want about it without consequences.
Besides, we 'knocked off' several 'Stalins', pretty much every single one that dared leave Moscow, but since Stalin had many brothers and several other look-a-likes we could've used some help at the UN conventions the actual Stalin visited (you know, not being from a UN country (joined somewhere in the mid-1950s) makes it pretty difficult to sneak in with a rifle)

Posted by: A Finn at May 26, 2005 02:49 PM (lGolT)

15 Besides, Turkish prisons have only isolation chambers, not some stupid buttfucking breaks outside when the big bad bikers and steroid apes rape your average fraud convict. And Islam is strickly against gay, so gay people in jails would be (tortured? No, they're adjusting to EU regulations) put in a dark room for months.

Posted by: A Finn at May 26, 2005 02:54 PM (lGolT)

16 Rusty, am I holding my Koran (Qu'ran-Quran-Q'u'r'a'n-whatever) correctly?
http://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2005/05/msms-distain-for-military-newsweek.html

You may now return to your ululating.

Posted by: CDR Salamander at May 26, 2005 03:03 PM (PJ4Iq)

17 Ululate... Interresting word for making annoying howling noices. Never seen it anywhere before... Almost draws my attention away from the republicans here.

Posted by: A Finn at May 26, 2005 03:10 PM (lGolT)

18 Oh yeah, gotta get 8 hours of sleep this night, so guutbai. (Sud vrait moor in pronaunsiaisson-moud) ((And that's English written the way I would say it, and includes no insults))

Posted by: A Finn at May 26, 2005 03:22 PM (lGolT)

19 Greg,
You sure they just don't drag you out of the convention by your feet face down and turn you loose outside with a nice case of road rash on your nose.

Just jerkin' yer chain Finn.

I have some buddies who have been to prison. Most raping is done by the "Disciples". The "White Pride" biker gangs like Hell's Angels, Outlaws, Storm Riders will be the ones you pay or join to protect your rectum from Disciples, Crypts and Bloods. I grew up around a bunch of Outlaw's(joliet chapter) Former President was from my hometown. They came in every summer for a week or two and parents rushed to take their kids in while they snuck back out the back door to wave at the Harleys. Not one bad incident. Most were pretty nice guys. You wouldn't want to cross them, but have a beer with them. No problem. Just people like anyone else. Except they might have their old lady dance for you if they like you.

Posted by: Howie at May 26, 2005 03:22 PM (D3+20)

20 CHARLESTON, W.Va. — A couple arrested for wearing anti-Bush T-shirts to a July 4 presidential appearance filed a federal lawsuit on Tuesday alleging their First Amendment rights were violated.

http://forums.yellowworld.org/archive/index.php/t-19144.html


OREGON TEACHERS KICKED OUT OF BUSH SPEECH FOR SHIRTS SAYING “PROTECT OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES
Three Medford school teachers were threatened with arrest and escorted from the event after they showed up wearing T-shirts with the slogan "Protect our civil liberties."

http://monsterp.blogs.com/monster_blog/2004/10/civil_liberties.html

When retired Pittsburgh steelworker Bill Neel learned that President George W. Bush was coming to town last year, he decided he would be on hand to protest the president's economic policies.

Neel and his sister made a hand-lettered sign - The Bush family must surely love the poor! They have made so many of us! - and headed for a road where the motorcade would pass.

But he never got to display his sign for Bush to see.

As he stood among milling groups of Bush supporters, he was approached by a local police detective and told that he and his sister had to move to a "free-speech area" for protesters, on orders of the U.S. Secret Service.

"He pointed out a relatively remote baseball diamond that was enclosed in a chain-link fence," Neel recalls.

"I could see these people behind the fence, with their faces up against it, and their hands on the wire.

"It looked more like a concentration camp than a free-speech area to me, so I said, `I'm not going in there. I thought the whole country was a free-speech area.'"

After refusing several times to go to the area, he was handcuffed and arrested on a charge of disorderly conduct.

http://reclaimdemocracy.org/weekly_2003/free_speech_denied_protest_pens.html

et cetera, et cetera, et cetera
Some Democracy!

Posted by: greg at May 26, 2005 03:22 PM (/+dAV)

21 So in other words, greg, the story doesn't back your lies.

No surprise.

Posted by: Robin Roberts at May 26, 2005 04:12 PM (xauGB)

22 Robin,
What dream world are you living in?
I cited 3 stories. In the first there were two arrests.
Stupid Bitch!

Posted by: greg at May 26, 2005 04:23 PM (/+dAV)

23 Gee, I could have sworn that Rus told you guys (Greg, Baber boys, so on) that he would tolerate your crap if you would avoid personal attacks. Yet every time I come in here, Greg is calling somebody a f... or calling Robin a 'stupid bitch'. So nice to see the Jawa crumble. Every day this place looks more and more like Kosville. Come on little Greggy, call me a bad word. You're a big tough one, aren't you, coming in with your crap quotes from moonbat land. Then when someone doesn't accept your pov you call them a stupid bitch. You must have gotten picked on a lot when you were a child...oh wait, you still are a child!

Posted by: Gregisatool at May 26, 2005 05:50 PM (YAEN3)

24 Yes, gregisatool, greg's disgusting filthy mouth got old long ago.

In neither case was anyone arrested for a t-shirt as your lie claimed, greg. Each was arrested for protesting where they were not allowed. A lot of anti-Bush protestors believe that freedom of speech means that they get to invade events where they were not invited. This is false.

Evidently the difference is too difficult for you to comprehend. Not a surprise.

Posted by: Robin Roberts at May 26, 2005 08:32 PM (xauGB)

25 More proof that Liberals are a threat to freedom.

I also sent the Liberal fascista an email.

Posted by: Carlos at May 26, 2005 09:45 PM (8e/V4)

26 Howie:
So if (ok, when) I go to an US prison, I need to find "White Pride"-people? Thanks for the advice, man.

Änd thö seim in pronaunsieisson-Inglis:

Hauvie:
Sou if (oukei, wen) ai gou tu än juues prisn, ai niid tu faind "vait praid"-piipol? Tänks for thö ädvais, mään.

Posted by: A Finn at May 27, 2005 02:44 AM (cWMi4)

27 Hey, almost forgot to mention this somewhere:
Bush got a grenade thrown at him in Georgia,(the former part of Soviet Union, not the one you have) but the darn thing was a dud, otherwise he'd be missing the right half of his face and bodyparts. (or a bodyguard)

Posted by: A Finn at May 27, 2005 03:19 AM (cWMi4)

28 Sir,

THANKS for your letter to the fascist. It's just great. And thanks for spreading his e-mail. I hope more bloggers will follow your example. I'm going to spread the news on italian newspapers

Posted by: KrilliX at May 27, 2005 03:20 AM (/7AIJ)

29 Robin, wait a minute, you can't protest everywhere you want in your country? Don't you have freedom of expression? You can just say what you want as long as you don't get many people together to say it out loud in public near the people you need to say it to? Your system is worse than Turkeys, at least they arrest people for public blasphemy instead of saying "Bush ain't so great" near Bush supporters.

Posted by: A Finn at May 27, 2005 03:45 AM (cWMi4)

30 I thought the news report about it was exaggerated, but I guess you do have a person-cult for your presidents like Russians

Posted by: A Finn at May 27, 2005 04:00 AM (cWMi4)

31 THANKS for your letter to the (leftist)fascist!
Freedom of word in Italy!
il sorvegliato speciale (a italian blog)

Posted by: sorvy at May 27, 2005 05:44 AM (rIvGw)

32 Gerg and A Finn,

I have nothing against protesters in general. For the most part, they're conscientious people who simply want to make a statement. However, a few bad apples have used the "protest" as a tool to become verbally and physically abusive and our police, in most cases, are simply trying to prevent a situation from escalating. Their job is to protect us. Too often those who protest want to be accepted as excersizing their right of free speech and when another uses their right to tell them to shut up, we end up with the protester expecting a double standard to be employed. Separating these protesters from the general audience who want to hear a certain message is often the only recourse to avoid confrontation.

Many of these instances whereby a protester wears a t-shirt with their message is removed from the festivities has done more than just wear a t-shirt. These instance are often not reported as they actually happen and people become more agitated as a result. Sometimes they are actually removed wrongly, but I would venture to guess it's not as often as we're led to believe.

I've always been of the mind that, if I wasn't actually there, I can't pass judgement on the individual or individuals involved.

We have some here too that will pass judgement without knowing the facts or being there simply because they already have a preconceived notion of events or people's feelings.

Posted by: Oyster at May 27, 2005 08:51 AM (fl6E1)

33 Gerg? Oh well, I kinda like it better than Greg.

Posted by: Oyster at May 27, 2005 08:52 AM (fl6E1)

34 "Sometimes they are actually removed wrongly, but I would venture to guess it's not as often as we're led to believe."-Oyster

You're damn right. And you're not bothered. Typical Neocon,. They chat up democracy inn Iraq but ignore it at home. IIt's just lip service from fascist enablers.

"I've always been of the mind that, if I wasn't actually there, I can't pass judgement on the individual or individuals involved."-Oyster

Well you sure do yap a lot about the war even though you aren''t "actually there". Your argument is hollow.

Posted by: greg at May 27, 2005 09:06 AM (/+dAV)

35 greg,

the problem with these protesters is that often they're really just rioters playing as protesters. If they can't self-police the more violent elements in their midst, then we'll send in the cops with the bean bags and microwaves to disperse them. That's not anti-democratic.

Posted by: Carlos at May 27, 2005 09:42 AM (8e/V4)

36 Carlos:"the problem with these protesters is that often they're really just rioters playing as protesters."

That's bullshit! Read the damn first article and then comment. The were peaceful. You're just being an enabler of facism. In WWII there were milions of "good" Germans just like you who made excuses for the government as it sequentually desended into a state of Fascism.
Good job!

Posted by: greg at May 27, 2005 09:51 AM (/+dAV)

37 A Finn, freedom of expression is not freedom to trespass. Nor is it freedom to interfere with other people's rights.

Thugs like greg don't understand this.

Posted by: Robin Roberts at May 27, 2005 10:00 AM (xauGB)

38 Robin,
Read this, stupid! No trespassing involved, just a fascist government, you Nazi.

OREGON TEACHERS KICKED OUT OF BUSH SPEECH FOR SHIRTS SAYING “PROTECT OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES
Three Medford school teachers were threatened with arrest and escorted from the event after they showed up wearing T-shirts with the slogan "Protect our civil liberties."

http://monsterp.blogs.com/monster_blog/2004/10/civil_liberties.html

"Protect Our Civil Liberties". Oh my God. What nerve! Sounds like terrorism to me!

Posted by: greg at May 27, 2005 10:18 AM (/+dAV)

39 They misrepresent themselves (lie) to get tickets to Bush rally. The plan is to disrupt free speech (the campaign rally by the President) or get favorable press from their liberal pals in the media when they are asked to leave.
Greg, we are wise to this shit and it just doesn’t fly with most of America anymore.

Posted by: Brad at May 27, 2005 10:33 AM (pO1tP)

40 Robin,
And read this:
A couple arrested for wearing anti-Bush T-shirts to a July 4 presidential appearance filed a federal lawsuit on Tuesday alleging their First Amendment rights were violated.

http://forums.yellowworld.org/archive/index.php/t-19144.html

There is no trespassing involved. Nazi Ho!

Posted by: greg at May 27, 2005 10:35 AM (/+dAV)

41 " The plan is to disrupt free speech"-Brad

Brad,
How does wearing a T-shirt disrupt free speech? Are you hearing yourself? You're advocating a totalitarian society.

Posted by: greg at May 27, 2005 10:39 AM (/+dAV)

42 greg

It is interesting that you start your litany of truth-telling about protesters under the Bush administration. I bet you know that this started even before he took his first oath of office. It's not new, and neither is your partisan view of, well, everything.

Posted by: Defense Guy at May 27, 2005 10:47 AM (jPCiN)

43 We tolerate you, Greg. And at our peril, too.

Posted by: Oyster at May 27, 2005 10:47 AM (fl6E1)

44 "....and neither is your partisan view of, well, everything."

Back atcha.

Posted by: Oyster at May 27, 2005 10:49 AM (fl6E1)

45 Greg,
The tickets are obviously issued to people who represent themselves as supporters of the President.
These people and their tactics are well known. Once they gain entrance to the event, they scream slogans over and over denying the speaker and the people who came the chance to hear the message. Or, they are asked to leave. Either way, it’s a public relations win for them because they are given a free pass by the MSM to pull these tactics.

If someone shows up at my son’s birthday party with a T-shirt that says, “MARK IS A TURD,” they would be asked to leave.

Posted by: Brad at May 27, 2005 10:55 AM (pO1tP)

46 Oyster

Show me my partisan viewpoints, and I may concede your point.

Posted by: Defense Guy at May 27, 2005 11:01 AM (jPCiN)

47 "If someone shows up at my son’s birthday party with a T-shirt that says, “MARK IS A TURD,” they would be asked to leave."-Brad

Brad,,

How is a T-shirt bearing the woords, "Protect Our Civil Liberties" disruptive?

How is a T--shirt bearing the word Bush with a cicle around it and a line striking through the word "bush"disruptive.

You all can argue until youu turn blue but you;'re just advocating fascism. Please stop ruining our country..

Posted by: greg at May 27, 2005 11:09 AM (/+dAV)

48 Fascism invented the tactic of disrupting other party's political rallies.

Posted by: Robin Roberts at May 27, 2005 04:25 PM (xauGB)

49 Whatever Robin.
Everytime you open your pathetic little mouth you lose more credibility.

Posted by: greg at May 27, 2005 04:30 PM (/+dAV)

50 Nah, fascists just made it famous. Ever since 1917, the start of 'Finnish democracy', parties have been sending their biggest loudmouths to make loud comments and difficult questions, as well as just to get drunk and mess 'em up, to each others speeches and meetings. The loud comments and difficult questions are actually a good thing in finding out how witty the politicians answering actually are, and dumb people can't get in charge (unless they do great with the drunken disturbers, then they make good army leaders). Might do some good to your system too.

Posted by: A Finn at May 28, 2005 03:32 PM (lGolT)

51
Islam is a trouble in India too, we are planning to stop the jihadi supply line , by genociding the muslims here.

Posted by: Jagjit at June 13, 2005 08:28 AM (ANiCZ)

52 You better get this in your thick head because Muhammad (PBUH) did so not marry Aisha(RA)at the age of six he got engaged to her, and he got married to her at the age of nine because she was a fully grown mature woman. (she had reached puberty).
By the way he did NOT rape her. SHE was his wife, but at the age of nine she was still at her fathers house.
i think u should get ur facts checked before you start being racist.
If u think dat islam is not the true religion then i think you should tell me dat hw cum the quran is the only book that hasnt been changed from the day it was revaeled till now. Atleast our book is originally from the angel unlike yours people wrote it themselves.
if u think the bible is right then tell me how come saint paul has written in one of his letters dat "religious law is a curse and jesus christ came to relieve us from that curse." but in the old testament the religious law is that u shouldnt steal, forcinate, shouldnt give trouble to ur neighbour, shouldnt disobey parents,etc.
but wen the entire religious law is a curse, it will also be a curse to obey these injunctions as these injunctions are also the part of the religious law and the very core of it. If what Saint Paul said is correct then Christians should also steal, forcinate and commit other such sins.
Isn't that kind of weird. In one place it says something and in a different it denies it.
DO YOU CALL THAT A TRUE RELIGION???

Posted by: SAHARA YUSUF at July 23, 2005 02:20 PM (25YDP)

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The number one place for Dutch chicks to emmigrate to? The San Fernando Valley.

But seriously, a contributing factor for the socialist paradise's demise is the fact that Dutch society is being overwhelmed by Muslim immigrants who do not share the same values of tolerance and openess.

Tim at Opinion Bug has more.

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1 Hasn't anybody ever told them diversity is strength?

/multi-culti

Posted by: Carlos at May 07, 2005 05:45 PM (UWO6N)

2 The San Pornando Valley is a natural choice for girls coming from a culture where nearly everything is acceptable.

Posted by: Brian Blazevic at May 07, 2005 06:37 PM (b2Y3g)

3 If these idiots think they'll run me out of MY home and country they've got another thing coming. Hell, the Brits are leaving in droves to move to other countries in Europe because of interest rates, taxes and maybe even the Muslim faction. The reason many say they're leaving is that they're tired of immigrants coming to the UK and not integrating with the population and learning the local customs, etc. Then what do they do? The Brits move to another country, cluster around those like themselves and don't integrate or learn the local customs, etc.

Way to go, huh?

Posted by: Oyster at May 07, 2005 08:25 PM (YudAC)

4 Too bad they're not coming to northern Virginia

Posted by: Half Sigma at May 07, 2005 08:42 PM (b5KJk)

5 I think this story is overhyped: 50,000 emigrants from a population of 16,000,000 doesn't amount to "droves." I also think it is significant that most are headed to Canada, Austrailia, and New Zealand which are all closer to welfare states than the US. What is more interesting is the reported figure that 28% are *thinking* of leaving. I have no idea how accurate that figure is.

Posted by: chuck at May 07, 2005 08:48 PM (5lv5F)

6 PS, my other email address was charris20\8\@\comcast.net and the post was rejected because of questionable content: "\8\.\com". Heh, tell the filter to priss off ;-)

Posted by: chuck at May 07, 2005 08:52 PM (5lv5F)

7 Re. Brian Blazevic's comment: maybe Silvia Kristel showed the way. And Chuck should remember that they aren't exactly coming to the USA, but the KSSR.

Posted by: Mr. Kurtz at May 08, 2005 03:55 AM (7Mm9g)

8 What a nice 5-day-weekend I had. Ok, what do we have here... Dutchie women leaving Holland? Oh well, who needs 'em. Pretty gay in there with all the legal drugs and feminist thinking. Guess there are not enough straight men in Holland to pair up with the straight women, and all the uglies go to US if they are not accepted anywhere else.

Crappy hockey matches last weekend. Played a friggin' tie with both Canada and US, the darn judges gave you goals and took our goals away to keep you from losing, so unfair, you must've bribed 'em.

Posted by: A well rested Finn at May 09, 2005 02:09 AM (cWMi4)

9 Libs created this problem, it'll take hardcore rightwingers to solve it now. Isn't that always the case.

Posted by: Carlos at May 10, 2005 01:13 AM (8e/V4)

10 Let's see, Dutch citizens moving to America, Illegal Immigrants dying to get across the border to America, Somalians moving to America, Islander's moving to America, Japanese moving to America, Middle easterner's moving to America. Chinese moving to America, Russians moving to America.

If we are such a horrible country (according to the loony left), then why are people risking a great deal to move here and intigrate?

Posted by: A Texan at May 10, 2005 01:36 AM (LtbPK)

11 Well, no other English-speaking (the easiest foreign language for most) country wants them because according to their standards there is something wrong with them and they are not wanted. Or then their lives have failed in their native lands and they want to start again in a country where they can easily blend in the variety of peoples and start a life of crime.

Posted by: A Finn at May 10, 2005 05:58 AM (cWMi4)

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So let me get this straight, the French are taking away Miss France, Laetitia Bleger's, title for posing in Playboy? And she's not even nude! As Erik Svane says about this, "If this had happened in the United States, it's a sure bet that Europe's intellectuals and pundits would be besides themselves in bewailing, mocking, and shrieking about American puritanism and hypocrisy." Indeed.

Both Rob at Say Anything and Double Viking have the pics. Despite Rob's warnings about them, they are not really nude. A kind of see through top in one of the pics, but it's the kind of stuff you see in women's fashion magazines all the time.

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Leftists love to talk about the Scandinavian countries as if they were utopias on earth. I'm just beginning to see their point. Via QandO this story out of Norway:

Norway's Supreme Court supported decisions refusing Conoco Phillips the right to fire two workers who surfed the Internet for pornographic images on company time.

The two workers on the Ekofisk field lost their jobs after being caught peeping at porn on the job in the summer of 2002. The pair took their case to court and won at both the municipal and appeals level, NRK (Norwegian Broadcasting) reports...

The Supreme Court has ruled that the firings were not justified and have awarded the two NOK 250,000 (USD 40,000) each in compensation.

Now excuse me as I go do some 'research' at Whitehouse.com.

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It's not exactly what you think. This is a procedural resignation, he'll be back as PM right-away. Guardian:

Silvio Berlusconi, faced with mounting criticism over Italy's sluggish economy and its involvement in Iraq, resigned Wednesday as premier but vowed to quickly form a stronger new Cabinet to restore confidence in his leadership.

Resigning and then immediately shuffling the Cabinet is an old trick of Italy's complicated political system, and has been used by premiers to strengthen faltering coalitions.

Berlusconi, who had presided over Italy's longest-serving government since World War II, had so far resisted the move, sensing it would dent his image as a new-style politician. On Wednesday, he suggested he would have preferred not to resign.

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I don't understand the problem? Everyone knows Chimp Bush is a liar. Blood for oil. J-O-O neocon cabal. Blah, blah, blah. (via No Pasaran)

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Here is a slideshow from the Kurdistan Regional Government on the Halabja massacre. The link is on the right side. Very graphic.

Reuters from Wired: more...

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Via Robert Spencer who got the article from Norwegian Kaffir (who's politically incorrect views might just get him a fatwa if he's not careful). IRNA (the English language propaganda arm of the mad mullahs of Iran):

A group of Muslims in the Dutch city of Amsterdam plans to set up the Muslim Democratic Party (MDP) at the end of May.

The party wants to compete in the upcoming local government elections in five cities and later also in the parliamentary elections, Dutch news agency ANP has reported.

The MDP will promote the interests of Muslims in the Netherlands, the agency quoted spokesman M. Jabri saying.

The initiators are currently holding talks with known and unknown Muslims to get the party going in the big cities.

Contacts are also being sought with non-Muslims, 'so that we have a balance within the executive', said Jabri.

"It is a matter of people who think the same way politically." The MDP has drawn up a provisional manifesto with the outline of the movement. Islam forms the basic point here.

The Palestinian question is also raised in the manifesto.

"The MDP declares solidarity with the peoples of the south in their fight against the neo-colonialism that is steered by the US and neo-liberal Europe, but also against the occupation and aggression of the US, its lackeys and internal dictators," according to the manifesto, quoted by ANP.

And as the umma prepares to form its first political party on the continent, the deep ties betweem the mosques and radical Islamists in Europe are revealed in this Middle East Forum article by Lorenzo Vidino
(via No Pasaran):

But the Middle East is only one part of the Muslim world. Europe has become an incubator for Islamist thought and political development. Since the early 1960s, Muslim Brotherhood members and sympathizers have moved to Europe and slowly but steadily established a wide and well-organized network of mosques, charities, and Islamic organizations. Unlike the larger Islamic community, the Muslim Brotherhood's ultimate goal may not be simply "to help Muslims be the best citizens they can be," but rather to extend Islamic law throughout Europe and the United States

Four decades of teaching and cultivation have paid off. The student refugees who migrated from the Middle East forty years ago and their descendants now lead organizations that represent the local Muslim communities in their engagement with Europe's political elite. Funded by generous contributors from the Persian Gulf, they preside over a centralized network that spans nearly every European country.

These organizations represent themselves as mainstream, even as they continue to embrace the Brotherhood's radical views and maintain links to terrorists. With moderate rhetoric and well-spoken German, Dutch, and French, they have gained acceptance among European governments and media alike. Politicians across the political spectrum rush to engage them whenever an issue involving Muslims arises or, more parochially, when they seek the vote of the burgeoning Muslim community.

But, speaking Arabic or Turkish before their fellows Muslims, they drop their facade and embrace radicalism. While their representatives speak about interfaith dialogue and integration on television, their mosques preach hate and warn worshippers about the evils of Western society. While they publicly condemn the murder of commuters in Madrid and school children in Russia, they continue to raise money for Hamas and other terrorist organizations. Europeans, eager to create a dialogue with their increasingly disaffected Muslim minority, overlook this duplicity.

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