January 21, 2007
Professor Aziz Sheikh is also calling for women patients to see same-sex medics, better access to prayer facilities in hospitals and more information so Muslims can avoid alcohol and pig-derived drugs.Actually, this pronouncement was predictable. Muslims want everything to be religion-based.Writing in the British Medical Journal, the University of Edinburgh professor also claims Muslims should be given health advice on attempting the Hajj pilgrimage-to Mecca which he insisted was a "religious obligation and not a holiday."
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"Same-sex docs, alcohol-based and pig-derived drugs. That seems reasonable and not too difficult."
It would cost billions in wasted revenue, you fucking idiot. That doesn't even include the lawsuits that would arise.
Let the islamopithecines provide their own health care if the free care provided by the government doesn't meet their stone aged standards.
If you're Irish, the koranimals are Homo Sapiens. No real Mick would bend over for anybody, much less a sand tick.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 22, 2007 01:42 AM (abVz3)
Jeff, I'm half Irish so you can just kiss my ass.
I was merely stating,if you bothered to read it, that I could "kind of see" it. I wasn't trying to start a shitstorm.
Also, greyrooster, I would rather see the alcohol used for something better, like celebrating the Bears Super Bowl win in two weeks.
Posted by: irish19 at January 22, 2007 11:29 AM (2PmZO)
Posted by: greyrooster at January 22, 2007 07:30 PM (w+w6p)
If you're a woman with long hair and huge tits, I'll gladly kiss your ass.
The only good idea for islamopithecines is to eject them forcibly from your country. Irish eyes don't smile on wogs.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 23, 2007 01:32 AM (abVz3)
January 16, 2007
Moderate Muslims are powerless against the forces of Islamic fundamentalists who propagate anti-Semitism, a cleric of Manhattan's largest mosque said yesterday.This is predictable enough:"Extremists have taken initiative and have stepped to the center of the arena," Imam Omar Abu-Namous said. "The Muslim nation is not able to stop them."
The imam and the president of the Foundation for Ethnic Understanding, Rabbi Marc Schneier, participated in an interfaith dialogue in honor of the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday, which will be celebrated today.
Also in attendance was the hiphop mogul Russell Simmons, the chairman of the Foundation for Ethnic Understanding. Mr. Simmons, who is not Muslim, said the Reverend Louis Farrakhan of the Nation of Islam is a "great inspiration to me."h/t: Steven Emerson
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the arena," Imam Omar Abu-Namous said. "The Muslim nation is not able
to stop them."
At least they are admitting that these extremists are muslim after all, and that the "muslim nation" does have some responsibility in trying to stop them. That's a start. We can move forward from here. Welcome to the war, I hope.
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Or am I wrong?
Posted by: Northern Cross at January 17, 2007 12:48 PM (YAUPn)
First - Deny there is a problem.
Second - Proclaim innocence.
Third - Blame the problem that doesn't exist on fringe extremists who don't belong to your group anyway.
Fourth - Sheepishly claim to be victims of the people who don't belong to your group and who are not causing the problems that don't exist.
Fifth - Ask for help from the people you are trying to kill.
Sixth - Laugh at their perpetual stupidity when they buy every lie you tell.
The object of this lessons is that Americans are stupid and can easily be played for the gullible suckers we are. It wouldn't be so bad if so many of us didn't constantly fall all over ourselves to prove them right.
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Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 19, 2007 02:52 AM (abVz3)
January 09, 2007
See this post by Paul at Powerline. Apparently peaceful Yusuf Islam sure spends a lot of time with people who’s biggest dream is to “blow shit upâ€Powerline:Cat Stevens (aka Yusuf Islam) was among dozens of Islamists who attended Sudan's Popular Arab and Islamic Conference (PAIC) in the early 1990's. There is no information on what Mr. Islam's role was, if he had any role at all, at the conference. But, assuming this source his accurate, he certainly keeps dangerous company.Much more at powerline, so be sure to follow the link. Speaking of Cat Stevens....The PAIC made room for an odd collection of anti-American forces. In addition to Mr. Islam, Hezbollah, and al Qaeda, all of the following terrorist sponsors or terrorist groups were reportedly represented: the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Saddam's Baathists, Syria's Baathists, George Habash's Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, and various other terrorist groups with al Qaeda affiliations from Yemen, Pakistan, Algeria, and Syria.
Have a nice day and Death To America! more...
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January 08, 2007
From ADNKI.com:
The trial of the editor in chief of Moroccan weekly Nichane and a journalist working for the publication is scheduled to begin in Casablanca on Monday. Driss Ksikes and Sanaa al-Aji face charges of 'denigrating Islam and morality' in connection with the publication of an article last month on 'How Moroccans laugh at religion, sex and politics.' They risk up to five years in jail and heavy fines if they are convicted in a trial which rights groups say is a serious blow to media freedom.The journalists apologized and stated they were simply reporting on Moroccan society by analyzing its jokes. Tuffo-wuffo said the tolerant, diverse and peaceful Islamic prosecutors. In fact, the Moroccan government considers an attack on Islam to be one of the most serious crimes a journalist can commit.The authorities in Morocco closed the magazine after the publication of its 6 December issue and withdrew all copies of it from newsstands.
The article for which the two defendants face trial examined popular jokes on religion, sex and politics.
My take? Islam and media freedom are incompatible, therefore, the usual suspects were rounded up. The trial is a logical consequence. Like cartoons, jokes also insult Islam. Frankly, it's hard to figure out what doesn't insult Islam.
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Here's a contest to your readers. Finish the joke:
Two Muslim journalists walk into a court...
Hey BTW, where can we read some of those Islamic jokes?
Posted by: Steve at January 08, 2007 01:55 PM (liuRU)
A: Not enough sand.
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Q: What's the most popular brand of toilet paper in the muslim world?
A: The left hand.
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Q: Why don't muslims celebrate Valentine's Day?
A: Because camels don't care.
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Q: Why don't muslims like blowjobs?
A: Because camels bite!
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Q: How do you get 10 muslims to stop gang raping a Western woman?
A: Throw them a boy.
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Q: Why don't muslims celebrate Mother's Day?
A: Because it gets in the way of their honor killings.
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Q: Why are muslims so angry all the time?
A: You'd be pissed off too if God made your breath smell worse than your ass.
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Q: Why isn't Osama Bin Loser the head of the Democrat party?
A: He doesn't hate America enough.
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Q: Did you hear about the muslim who tried to blow up a car?
A: He burned his lips on the exhaust pipe.
File a lawsuit, CAIR. You cant legislate away the stupidity of your cult. Suck my big, hairy, infidel nutsack.
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What does the KKK have to do with hating islamopithecines? Besides, the KKK Grand Dragon is the grand old man of the Democrat party---robert Byrd.
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January 04, 2007
Do you consider Islam to be a peaceful religion?more...
Yes 12,048 No 162,837
Do you consider Islam to be a tolerant religion?
Yes 6,723 No 167,829
Would America be a better country if it were a Muslim country?
Yes 1,009 No 173,436
Should America place equal emphasis on the Koran and the Bible?
Yes 4,098 No 169,964
Would it be good for America to have more Muslims in elected offices?
Yes 4,147 No 169,372
Would you vote for a Muslim for president?
Yes 3,653 No 170,143
As a general rule, are women treated better in America than in a Muslim country?
Yes 159,745 No 14,181
Is America too dependent on Muslim countries for oil?
Yes 167,659 No 6,247
Do Muslim countries do more than America to help the poor?
Yes 4,254 No 168,556
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So, likewise I pay this one no attention, it is most likely biased in some form or fashion, like most polls.
If I give weight to a poll because I personally agree with it, makes me no better than the average Liberal who makes his way here to copy and paste the latest "War" poll, or Bush popularity contest.
If "polls" were accurate, "Hail to the Chief" would be greeting John Kerry.
Posted by: davec at January 04, 2007 02:43 PM (yaQM4)
Me, I didn't vote because I think it's all a scam to collect the names of people who hold 'incorrect views'. As I plan to escape the eventual reeducation camp roundups in 2024, I'm not putting my name on their list.
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Posted by: Darth Odie at January 04, 2007 02:56 PM (YdcZ0)
KILL THEM ALL!!! (God will sort them out)
http://islamsux.blogspot.com/
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USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at January 04, 2007 11:30 PM (2OHpj)
December 27, 2006
he property would be divided between the one son and the six surviving daughters. It should be divided into eight shares, giving one share to each of the six daughters and two shares to the son.As a result, the surviving son receives one-quarter of the total inheritance despite the fact that he was only one-seventh of the number of survivors.
Women's rights groups should probably protest. Of course, it's possible that Muslim women are satisfied with the unequal treatment under Sharia Law since they receive extra measures of peace. Or something.
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A man can have four wifes. If they each could inherit as much as a son they would have four times his property.
Since they can only get a half share (and since Arabs produce lots of kids) then assume a typical Arab family. Two boys, Eight girls. One boy blows himself up as a suicide bomber. Four of the other girls get killed as part of a honour killing deal.
At the end each of the four girls gets a half share leaving her and her fellow three wifes with a share equal to what their husband gets. Oh yeah, incest is pretty big there too.
Posted by: maobi at December 27, 2006 06:31 AM (0UFCO)
2 They can't protest, unless someone rewrites the Qur’an. Which of course can never happen. A modified version of the holy book of Muslims only happens when a new copy falls from the sky! Which of course (again), will never happen!
But I don’t think it is such a problem. Those women are going to spend it probably on useless stuff anyway. Like, 450 pare of shoes, a trillion dresses, tons of make-up, large phone bills and of course boxes full of jewelry.
Posted by: Dan at December 27, 2006 07:01 AM (ILHet)
3 There is a UN Convention against this sort of behavior:
"The Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women (CEDAW)"
Notice it says "all forms of Discrimination" and that includes religious discrimination. You would think, 'No way in hell the Saudis will sign that' right? Guess again, they did.
That also added a note, that they will complay as long as complying does not conflict with Islam. (A couple other countries did the same thing.) Lets call it the Sharia Examption.
So in the end, the UN has a victory for Women's Rights and the countries that abuse women have an exemption from having to comply. What did the UN do about this? Nothing.
Just one more victory for the UN.
Posted by: Fred Fry at December 27, 2006 08:00 AM (JXdhy)
4 Is this really a problem to the west? Who gives a shit about muslim women? Aren't they the ones screaming "death to America" aren't they the ones training their children to be sucide bombers in the name of Allah? I could care less what happens to the bunch of sluts. Screw them. If you can sink that low. My dog Sam would turn down a stinky muslim.
Posted by: Greyrooster at December 27, 2006 07:41 PM (7ANQo)
5 Greyrooster;
When we contrast the treatment that women recieve under Islamic Sharia, with the rights they have under western systems like our US Constitution, WE WIN!
They want to hold Sharia up as some sort of perfect thing. We reveal it is imperfect by making noise about how they treat their women. It doesn't hurt us to show how Muslim women are not free, or how they are often victims of severe repression.
Plus there are plenty of hotties that are of middle eastern descent, and oppose the jihad against western freedoms, so try not to be so mean
Other than that, I'm with you on Muslim women who promote terror, and send their own children off as martyrs. Those kind are twisted caricatures of motherhood.
I hope you agree we should at least draw attention to the differences between our way, and sharia?
Happy New Year!
USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at December 27, 2006 08:43 PM (2OHpj)
6 Women have no rights in Islamic countries. That's really disgusting.
Posted by: RepJ at December 27, 2006 09:51 PM (s6aN4)
7 Saudi women are screwed by inheritence and divorce laws, but American men are screwed even harder by our misandrist inheritance and divorce laws.
The only person who should decide who gets what is the person who earned the money. That includes custody of children. Fuck everybody else, especially Big Brother. Government sanctioned gold digging has to end.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 28, 2006 03:18 AM (abVz3)
8 OUCH! Jeff ...
I honestly hope things work out for you.
Don't lose your passion.
USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at December 28, 2006 12:28 PM (2OHpj)
9 My brilliant oratory is completely offset by the fact I'm at the approximate emotional level of a seventh-grader. Which is why my common-law wife left me and took the kids.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 28, 2006 01:16 PM (LxyIe)
10 I wonder why? Some women are so misunderstanding.
Posted by: Greyrooster at December 28, 2006 09:12 PM (mz2uK)
11 Michael Weaver:
Thanks for the concern, but that hasn't happened to me. It could, though. It happens to other men every day in America.
Troll Jeff Bargholz:
Your chimpish mockery puts you at a seventh grade emotional level, not me. I notice you always leave your verbal feces on old threads, hoping to avoid me. That's the sign of a gutless coward.
I'm sorry you cant satisfy a woman sexually, but don't take it out on me. Try a bow-up doll, I hear they don't complain. Oh, wait--you already married one, didn't you. My bad. If anyone can get a blow-up doll to complain about lousy sex, it's you.
Maybe you can marry an Arab muslim woman. Most of them are ugly enough to marry anybody, and they aren't allowed to complain. You can take your frustration out on her, instead of the internet. That would probably turn a freak like you on.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 28, 2006 10:34 PM (abVz3)
December 22, 2006
From People's Daily Online:
Chutima has become the 61st teacher killed by the southern insurgents, according to official statistics.It's not surprising that many schools have difficulty remaining open as Muslim death squads terrorize and kill educators with regularity. And, don't be fooled by politically-correct reporting from the region which identifies the perpetrators as "insurgents" or "militants" or "unidentified gunmen." They are fundamentalist Muslims who view education as a threat.An unidentified gunman early Thursday opened fire on a group of seven teachers who were traveling by motorcycles to Baan Takae school in Pattani's Yaring district, wounding Chutima and her fellow teacher, Rungnapa Khongsuwan, both of them riding the same motorbike, which Chutima was driving.
Rungnapa, less seriously wounded than her colleague, is now in stable condition.
Ominously, Prime Minister Surayud Chulanont warned that there could be more violence during the New Year Holiday season.
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Posted by: REMF at December 22, 2006 06:30 AM (7RMSi)
That new prime minister is a real freakin genius........
Posted by: n.a. palm at December 22, 2006 09:16 AM (m1rwe)
Thailand has fallen into Mohammed's hands.
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Posted by: John Ryan at December 22, 2006 12:06 PM (TcoRJ)
I don't excuse this.
I know I may come off as a bit weepy, and liberal the last few days, but I know some Muslims aren't like the scum that do these kinds of things, and I don't want to see them lumped with the others. What is wrong with my point of view?
Can you imagine even a remote possibility of some peaceful form of Islam, being allowed to survive what is coming?
This is a conscience issue with me. If we don't try to save those few who are clearly happy with western culture, then what are WE?
I'd like to know if you can find a compromise (not a surrender) with some form of Islam?
USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at December 22, 2006 03:08 PM (2OHpj)
I'm glad you will be together again.
As for Muslims, I'm trying to avoid comparisons to Amalek, for example Deuteronomy 25:17 to 25:19 where "you are utterly to destroy the name of Amalek from under heaven." there are other references.
I'm kind of at the edge.
My neice raises snakes. It seems like they like to kiss people
Merry Christmas, and enjoy your reunion.
USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at December 22, 2006 06:54 PM (2OHpj)
Posted by: Greyrooster at December 22, 2006 07:28 PM (4Ek2v)
Merry Xmas. My son will be home from Iraq at 3:00 AM. He made it through 2 1/2 tours. He has resigned his commission as a Captain in the Marine Corps.
Posted by: Greyrooster at December 22, 2006 07:32 PM (4Ek2v)
Just because I'm not Chutima's brother does not mean I'm incapable of hating the murdering Islamic scum. As demonstrated in Thailand, peaceful overtures are regarded as weakness. What can and should be done?
Posted by: Fred at December 23, 2006 11:00 AM (PrmuB)
The Southern provinces of Thailand are nowhere near 90% muslime. Muslimes are, in fact, a minority in most of those provinces.
I guess murdering people is O.K. if you're in the majority. By that standard, it's O.K. for me to murder you because you're an America-last, leftist moonbat.
Fucking asshole.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 24, 2006 01:39 AM (abVz3)
Posted by: Greyrooster at December 24, 2006 10:03 AM (4Ek2v)
December 20, 2006
Michelle Malkin: It began with the Danish cartoons. It ended with the flying imams. 2006 was a banner year for the Religion of Perpetual Outrage. Twelve turbulent months of fist-waving, embassy-burning, fatwa-issuing mayhem, intimidation, and murder resounded with the ululations of the aggrieved. All this in the name of defending Islam from “insult.†Let’s review.ROPMA.
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Hating is boring and unoriginal. Every group on earth has been victimized, but hate is a choice. Those who hate, clinging to it as an addiction, passing it on to their children, cherishing it inside themselves, using it as the centerpiece of their lives, are finally left with nothing. It is a waste of time and energy, like other addictions. If you give up your brain to it, reason is pushed aside by constant anger, paranoia, righteous indignation, dreams of revenge, and self-justification. Thoughts and words are obsessively repeated again and again, day after day, with nothing to show for it, no progress, no change, just like other addictions. People do not just have hate – hate also has them.
Democracy has always been under attack, and the attackers have always been full of hate. Fascists, Communists, Islamists, to name a few... No one has a right to spread and incite hate, to teach hate in schools, holy places, religious meetings, street demonstrations, or even community picnics. I offer you a demonstration: go into your room, alone, and spend the rest of your life hating Israel, or the Sunni, or oxygen. When you die, we will put on your epitaph: “he hatedâ€. A wasted life.
Islamists wants to wallow in hate, but they don’t want to pay for it. Hate is not free, it’s very expensive, like all addictions. Hate is a stepping-stone to war, and others know that when you begin to spout hate, encourage it, teach it, and justify it, they feel that conflict is imminent, and they feel threatened. They react and take measures to confront you, and if they are simple, they react with their own hate. Meaningless conflict follows, where people die, but hate does not, and war follows war. I give you the Middle East, for more than 5000 years.
Hate can be confronted. Accept it from no-one, point it out when you see it, disagree with it, refuse to listen, refuse to apologize, fire haters, jail them, sue them, vote against them, and forgive them. LAWRENCE OF ARABIA: "Sherif Ali, so long as the Arabs fight tribe against tribe, so long will they be a little people; a silly people; greedy, barbarous, and cruel, as you are." Lawrence loved the Arabs, risked his life for them, helped them reconquer their lands from the Ottomans, but the hate thing really bothered him.
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Posted by: Michael Weaver at December 22, 2006 12:23 AM (2OHpj)
I'm confronting your hate. The left is the only group on the planet with as much misguided hate pent up as the muslims have.
Try not to implode with your anti-American rage.
Asshole.
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Posted by: Buzzy at December 17, 2006 11:45 PM (CXz7T)
"I'd would like to know what Mo, or Mohamed Gure think of that. I hope neither would try to justify it."
I am waiting to hear either of these two, who posted earlier on the 'child abuse' thread, say they comdemn this action on the part of the Iranian government. Unqualified condemnation. No 'yes-but' type responses.
I will extend the invitation to any Muslim reading this article! Say you condemn the actions of the Iranian government, as described above. Say it without the 'yes-but' qualifier. Can any of you do it? Any of you?
I want to see the humane, unbiased, tolerant, religion of peace you are all so busy telling us about.
This article is all about why I would rather fight till my dying breath, than ever see Sharia law take root in the USA. If there are no Muslims out there to condemn this, I'm ashamed for ever standing up for those of you who claim to be 'moderate'.
That's all I'm going to say here. Now let's watch, and see who responds.
USA all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at December 18, 2006 04:53 AM (2OHpj)
Thank you for bringing the plight of these innocents to the attention of TJR readers. Bless you and your country.
/GM
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November 24, 2006
JEBALIYA, Gaza Strip - A 64-year-old Palestinian grandmother blew herself up near Israeli troops sweeping through northern Gaza on Thursday, and eight other Palestinians were killed in a day of clashes and rocket fire.As if anyone with two brain cells to rub together needed any more evidence that the Palestinian "culture" is terminally diseased.The militant Hamas, which is in charge of the Palestinian government, claimed responsibility for the suicide attack and identified the bomber as Fatma Omar An-Najar. Her relatives said she was 64 — by far the oldest of the more than 100 Palestinian suicide bombers who have targeted Israelis over the past six years.
Pic of the sexagenarian smithereen commando.
Update: Thanks to Howie for uploading video of this fool droning on mindlessly about the glory of murdering people in Allah's name.
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Posted by: Graeme at November 24, 2006 04:23 PM (esk0L)
Bet she ain't too happy now meeting the "prophet" next to her!!!
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Posted by: Buzzy at November 24, 2006 10:21 PM (CXz7T)
A 64 year old harridan who becomes a human bomb to murder as many innocent "infidels" as possible is depraved, not "sad."
Of course, her religion had nothing to do with it. She was seeking economic opportunites for her family, who will collect a blood bounty on her death. Damn those Israelis and their government policies which deprive Psuedostinians of their basic human right to murder Jews.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 25, 2006 12:16 AM (bLPT+)
Once upon a time on a beautiful morning in the land of Jesus, Maria, Moses, the three kings, Bethlehem and the wonders of the olive tree…. Suddenly, you wake up from the noise of people and machinery, you look outside and you see that it’s coming from your land. You get dressed, you go outside and you ask what they are doing on your land?.... a soldier shows up, points his weapon at you and yells, that have to go away!
Meanwhile, in the hart of a land where rocks have so much meaning, people like to lick them…
…..A wall is surrounding the west bank. This wall has solid watchtowers facing only inside. Soldiers occupy these watchtowers, to pass time; they start shooting at windows and buildings below them! Just for fun!........... Reminds me of that prison commandant from the movie Schindler's List!
The Promised Land, somebody must have made a joke!
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Posted by: FLLaw33870 at November 25, 2006 03:42 PM (38GUY)
Jesus, Mary and Joseph woke up to find themselves surrounded by filthy Arab invaders and built a wall to protect themselves.
Or was the wall built to humiliate the wogs, and deny them the economic opportunity of sponging off the industrious Jews? No doubt more economically sponsored terrorism against school children and pizzerias is the final solution.
You were there when the wall was built right? No doubt you've spoken to the poor deprived Psuedostinain victims who can no longer ply their traditional trade of blowing the shit out of dem Jooos.
Tell us more about your world travels via Wikipedia, dick-breath.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 26, 2006 04:02 PM (bLPT+)
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Grey, say something for yourself instead of hiding behind your big brother Jeff!
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Posted by: stiknstein at November 20, 2006 12:08 PM (7V/jS)
If/when the new Temple is built aanimal sacrice will probably be reinstated.
More can be found about korban at the wikipedia site.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korban#Abuses_of_the_korbanot
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Posted by: Greyrooster at November 21, 2006 05:47 AM (Mgy1K)
November 19, 2006
WARNING : I wouldn't go there if you have a weak stomach.
h/t : Michelle.
UPDATE : Big White Infidel had the following comment:
These photos are from Sampit and Sambas in Kalimantan (from 1999 to 2001) and are pics of Madurese Muslims being dealt with by Dayaks and locals. The Madurese are hot-tempered hardcore Islamists from the island of Madura, off the northeast coast of Java and the Dayaks are spiritualist/animists who eat pigs and keep dogs. The Dayaks are the legendary Wild Men of Borneo. The Madurese obviously would have a problem with the Dayaks and their culture being haram. Even local Muslims dislike the Madurese. The Madurese took over a lot of the criminal activities in the area, demanding protection money from businesses, etc. They started persecuting the Dayak and the Dayak are former headhunter/warriors. When the Dayaks slaughtered the Madurese, they were seen as heroes for standing up to the hated Madurese. I'm not sure 100% but I don't believe there were any Christians in the pictures and any Chinese were probably Buddhists. The Dayaks kicked ass and the West needs to take note of how the Dayaks handled the hardcore Islamic problem.
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http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/9388/article/head_hunter.htm
Nevertheless, ethnic and religious minorities in Indonesia, especially ethnic Chinese Indonesians, have suffered for far too long.
Also see:
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/9388/index2.html
Posted by: Speaking for the Choid at November 19, 2006 06:05 PM (YLJck)
I just translated a short article about the persecution of Christians in Iran. If you're interested I can send it to you by e-mail.
The so-called president of Iran AhmadiNezhad once publicly vowed to stamp out the growth of Christianity in Iran.
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at November 19, 2006 06:18 PM (1juA+)
Posted by: Ragnar, the All-Seeing Pirate at November 19, 2006 08:02 PM (oROpZ)
time I am faced with these photos I have even more difficulty trying to
imagine the horror of seeing it personally. This evil has been
happening since time immemorial. It just keeps changing its
mask. And as long as people turn a blind eye or make excuses it
will never end.
Posted by: Oyster at November 19, 2006 09:07 PM (YudAC)
And I'd like to make clear that I am NOT finding fault with Speaking for the Choid, he puts a good perspective on this.
Posted by: Subvet at November 19, 2006 09:16 PM (yfK82)
That said, I cant begin to stress the importance of opposing islamic traditionalism in Indonesia. Not all of those photos are fake. These photos are only the beginning of the problem there if we continue to ignore it. A problem that WILL spread to our shores.
The Indos are like us. They think terrorism is something that happens to other people.
It isn't. These photos could be of anyone. You, me, or Bambang from Indonesia. What are you people going to do about it?
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 20, 2006 03:28 AM (bLPT+)
Posted by: Big White Infidel at November 20, 2006 06:06 AM (Y3QR+)
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Posted by: Greyrooster at November 20, 2006 08:32 AM (R6qo5)
All those beheading pictures, as pointed out, were carried out by Dayaks a while ago. They're animist/christians. That is, many self identify as christians and attend churches but also maintain their older religious beliefs. A terrible tragedy. I was there, and saw some of this. It turns my stomach that it's being used as "evidence" however of what savages Moslems are. Can't lay this one at their doorstep.
I hope you'll treat the blog you linked to as unreliable in future.
Posted by: Dan at November 20, 2006 12:26 PM (VG3ke)
Whoever the big white infidel is, he knows sweet F A about indonesia (despite apparently living there). I see that you've included his hateful comments shifting these pictures from examples of moslem savagery into a post praising the effective tactics of the dayaks. I thought savagery was savagery?
At any rate, the Dayaks weren't seen as heroes in the rest of Indonesia. It was disgusting, and seen as disgusting by most people. It is true that the madurese are an unpopular ethnic group, and the dayaks certainly had some legitimate grievances over land conflicts and migration on to their turf. Most of the Madurese involved were extremely poor and had grievances of their own (landless peasants from their own island, which is why they moved). But this had nothing to do with the fact that they're moslem. Madurese are assholes (as the conventional indonesian prejudice has it). They are also moslems. Ask the Javanese, who are also moslems (90% at least). They hate them too.
None of this excuses the violence. The relatively wealthier Chinese (who are 95% Christian) in Sampit and some of the other towns, were largely on the sidelines of this conflict. Not relevant one way or another. I don't think a single Chinese was killed then, though can't 100% guarantee it. At any rate, the overwhelming majority of the victims were Madurese Moslems.
Rusy knows me a bit, since we've corresponded occasionally on kidnappings in the Middle East. While I have rarely agreed with the politics of this blog, I still check it out from time to time because I've found Rusty to be careful about the facts, which meant I could learn something, or even be persuaded of views I hadn't held. Quality control lately has failed pretty miserably. Do you want to degenerate into another set of propagandists?
Posted by: Dan at November 20, 2006 12:52 PM (VG3ke)
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at November 20, 2006 09:18 PM (vixLB)
What did big White Infidel write that wasn't true? Answer: Nothing. I think you have a problem with his comments because you consider them hateful, not inaccurate.
I also lived in indonesia when the Dayaks drove most of the Madurese out of their corner of Kalimantan, (for anyone else reading this, Kalimantan is the Indonesian portion of Borneo,) and the locals were glad to see them go. BWI didn't claim that was the prevailing attitude throughout Indonesia. Do you honestly think he would represent that as a prevailing muslim or Madurese attitude?
When you write that you were there, and saw some of what happened, do you mean you were in Sampit or Sambas and witnessed the violence first hand?
This conflict had a great deal to do with the religion of the Madurese. Muslims bring their cultural arrogance and hostility with them wherever they go. Mosques are built in Christian neighborhoods in Indonesia to flaunt muslim dominance. Yes, the migrants were poor. That's why they couldn't afford to relocate to another island or own property. They were relocated on the government's dime via the Transmigration Program. This program is ostensibly used to alleviate overpopulation in Java by transmigrating Javanese to less crowded islands, but it's also used to extend Javanese and muslim hegemony. The stated purpose of the program is a transparent lie, because fanatical Bugis muslims from sparsely populated Sulawesi and fanatical Madurese muslims from sparsely populated Madura are sent to predominantly Christian areas like the Moluccas, West Papua, and the Dayak areas that BWI mentioned. Javanese are also sent to Sulawesi to bolster the muslim population there. This practice would be farcical if it weren't so divisive and destructive.
Yes the Madurese are detested by the Javanese, and are the butt of many jokes in the city of Surabaya, but the arrogant Javanese look down on everybody else in the country, not just the Madurese. The Madurese are singled out for ridicule mainly by the Surabayans. Because Madura lies off the coast of East Java adjacent to Surabaya, there are many Madurese day laborers there, and the Surabyans fancy themselves as cosmopolitan and superior. Some of the nearby towns have a Maduran presence and so a corresponding local bigotry against them, but the rest of Java doesn't hate them the same way.
Your comments about ethnic Chinese in Sampit and Sambas corroborate what BWI wrote, so your contempt is misplaced.
Yes, savagery is savagery, but the Madurese earned the Dayak backlash against them. Some innocent Madurese suffered as well and that's unfortunate, but they put themselves at risk by turning a blind eye to the crimes of their Madurese brethren.
BWI obviously knows much more than sweet F A about Indonesia. He remembered more details about the Dayak conflict with the Madurese transmigrants than I did, and he presented them more honestly than you have.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 20, 2006 11:21 PM (bLPT+)
I was in Sampit, saw some horrible things; missed out on Sambas but met with a lot of the madurese that had fled to Ponti.
BWI wrote: "I don't believe there were any Christians in the pictures and any Chinese were probably Buddhists."
Actually, most of the men holding the heads, the dayaks, were self-identified christians. That is, many Christians in the pictures. Almost all of the Chinese of that region are also Christians, not Buddhists.
He also wrote: "The Dayaks kicked ass and the West needs to take note of how the Dayaks handled the hardcore Islamic problem." That makes BWI an advocate of beheading unarmed men, women and children. Wow.
He's also wrong that this was a "hardcore islamic problem." No it wasn't.
The dispute was over land, money and jobs, fueled by screwed up central government policy. The Dayaks were really screwed by the Suharto cronies who controlled the logging (just ten individuals controlled 60% of the logging concessions in Kalimantan at the time of Suharto's fall; they had pushed many dayaks off their traditional land). The Dayaks couldn't of course strike at the rich and powerful, so when their anger boiled over the hit at the marginal and weak.
Also crucial was Suharto's UUPD 1979 (Udang Udang Pemerintahan Desa, usually translated as "The Village Law") which destoryed traditional (adat) structures and made Kepala Desas (village heads) effectively central government appointees. This really fucked up more traditional groups like the Dayaks. And when things blew up, the corruption and incompetence of the police and military allowed the dayaks to parade with heads on sticks for weeks.
The Dayaks were pissed off because they'd been marginalized in their area economically (largely because the Madurese had more access to capital and more skills relevant to a modern economy, good old globalization at work). I would have been pissed off too. But this had very little to do with religion. If it was about religioun, why were the Moslem Banjarese and the Moslem Javanese migrants in the area left alone by the Dayaks? This last is an interesting question; the Dayaks typically said it was because the Madurese were bad guests, "aggressive" and "arrogant" were the words they most often used. Their grievance wasn't that they were Moslems, or that they were practicing Dawa or any of that shit; they weren't.
Finally, you wrote RE transmigration:
"The stated purpose of the program is a transparent lie, because fanatical Bugis muslims from sparsely populated Sulawesi and fanatical Madurese muslims from sparsely populated Madura are sent to predominantly Christian areas like the Moluccas, West Papua, and the Dayak areas that BWI mentioned. Javanese are also sent to Sulawesi to bolster the muslim population there. This practice would be farcical if it weren't so divisive and destructive."
Actually, most of the Bugis, Butinese and Makassaris on the coast of West Papua and in Maluku (both north and south) are spontan (spontaneous, voluntary) migrants. That is, they've moved on their own in search of economic opportunities. Their control of shops in towns and aggresive business tactics have brought them into frequent conflict with both Papuans and natives of the Malukus, particularly but not exclusively Christian's in Maluku.
Almost all of the transmigrants (that is, landless villagers resetled by the Indonsian government and the World Bank) to Papua are Javanese (who were on the sidelines of these conflicts), and what limited transmigration there has been into Maluku (on Halmahera, I'm sure of, and perhaps to Seram, though I'm less certain) has also been javanese. With one crucial exception; the transmigration of almost the entire population of Makian, off the coast of Tidore, to Northern Halmahera in 1975. Makian is a volcano, and looked like it was going to blow up at the time.
The Makianese, a Moslem ethnic group, immediately got into conflict with the Kao (who are a religously mixed ethnic group, 80% Christian and 20% Moslem). On top of the simple problem of cultural incompatibility, the Makian had a lot of members and high level contacts in the regional government on Ternate, and were putting a leg over the local Kao. In 1999 and 2000 the bloodiest battles of the Maluku wars took place up here; interestingly, the first blows were struck around Malifut between a group of Kao MOSLEMS and the Makianese. That is, when it started, it was Moslem on Moslem (though it was really about ethnic Kao vs. Ethinc Makianese). The MOSLEM sultan of Ternate, traditional leader of the Kao, also backed them up in their dispute with the Makianese.
This was not about religion at its root, though as we all know, the FPI and Laskar Mujahidin (later revealed to be a stalking horse for Jemaah Islamiyah and the Majelis Mujahidin) took advantage of the conflict to recruit new members and carry out attrocities of their own. (As you may guess, I spent a lot of time in Ternate, Ambon, and Northern Halmahera at that time. If you're really interested in how complicated this stuff can be in Indonesia, read this: http://www.lib.umich.edu/area/Southeast.Asia/PdfFiles/indo/ChaosMaluku.pdf).
of course, I'm biased; i wrote it.)
Another interesting case of "transmigration" that helped spark the religious war in Maluku was the deportation of 200 hard core christian ambonese gangsters from Jakarta in 1998. The Jakarta governor wanted to get rid of these "bad apples." But when they got to Ambon, they helped make the situation very bad indeed.
If you really think these issues, in either Maluku or Kalimantan (lets leave Papua aside for now, though I'd argue that it's generally about politics and money, not religion, there too) were all about aggressive "moslems" attacking "christians" read and study a little more deeply.
And please, don't take anyone seriously who thinks cutting heads off is a solution to these sorts of conflicts. Selamat bercarian pengetahuan.
Posted by: Dan at November 21, 2006 06:21 AM (VG3ke)
Your comments were kind of strange. You hid behind feigned moral outrage and faux facts to peddle the standard dogma of leftist, Libertarian, and muslim fellow travelers. Christians, "globalism," big business, and by extension, America--bad. Muslims--innocent, slandered, and oppressed. You're obviously trying to deflect attention from islamic violence in Indonesia. Pointing fingers at Christians who commit violent acts without the support of a Church, much less religious doctrine, is a sure sign of a muslim apologist.
There is absolutely no moral equivalency between the worldwide crimes of islam and Ambonese criminals who happen to be Christian. The Ambonese criminals deported from Jakarta were not the cause of strife in the Mollucas--muslim immigrants were. The criminals were retaliating against islamic jihad.
The vast majority of strife in indonesia is not ethnic or class warfare. It is driven by islam. Even the sporadic riots that target ethnic Chinese have an islamic component. There's a reason they usually start on Fridays (the big sermon day for the islamopithecines.)
You deride Big White Infidel for advocating violence, but you claim you "saw some horrible things" in Sampit, but "missed out on Sambas?" Missed out? You sound like a vulture. A news media vulture. Did you witness Madurans being hacked to death by Dayaks? If so, why did you stand idle? Where you snapping photos or taking notes instead of helping? Why would you want to witness violence in Sambas anyway?
You also distorted what I wrote about the Transmigration Program and the "issues" in the Mollucas (Maluku,) and Kalimantan. I did not claim they are "all about aggressive 'moslems' attacking 'christians.'"
Quite frankly, your entire response was disingenuous. You used pettifoggery and red herrings to obscure the fact that islam is tearing Indonesia apart, and turning tolerant people into zealots.
When BWI wrote: "I don't believe there were any Christians in the pictures and any Chinese were probably Buddhists," I'm pretty sure he was talking about the victims, not the head-hunters. He never claimed that the vilence was a "hardcore islamic problem," so your improper use of quotation marks is libelous.
Most of the Madurese killed were thugs, not "unarmed men, women, and children." They weren't helpless, they were outmatched, and they shouldn't have started something they couldn't finish.
The "dispute" between the Dayaks and the Madurans was only partly over land, money and jobs, fueled by screwed up central government policy. It was mainly a case of the Dayaks hating the offensive Madurans. That's why only the Madurans were targeted, rather than other groups with "land, money, and jobs." If your criteria for Dayak anger were true, ethnic Chinese would have been the main targets. The Madurans did not have much capital, nor did they possess many skills relevant to a modern economy, unless you count becak driving and organized crime.
Suharto's village laws didn't have much to do with the conflict, either. The Madurans didn't dominate the village head, army, police, or business positions at the local level.
The police stayed away from the Dayaks because they were scared stiff, not because they were incompetent. Most of them were transmigrants as well. The only "rich and powerful" carpet baggers who were safe from the Dayaks were the ones who lived outside of the area. The rich and powerful locals were ignored because Madurans were the real target.
The Madurans are much more fanatical than the other muslims in the area, which is why they were sent by the government in Jakarta to help displace the indigenous groups and Christians. There's a reason only the Madurans were targeted, and the more moderate muslims weren't. Madurans combine traditional cultural obnoxiousness and hostility with islamic obnoxiousness and hostility, which is why the Dayaks despised them. That, and their predatory criminal behaviour. To claim otherwise is ridiculous.
Screw the Madurans. They belong in Madura, because they refuse to get along with any other groups.
Your comments about Transmigration are deliberately misleading. Madurans and Bugis are sent by the central government to Christian areas throughout the archipelago, and that's a fact. The proportion of them vs. self migrants or Javanese in places like West Papua and the Mollucas is irrelevant. You conveniently (for your argument,) left out the Javanese transmigrants sent to Sulawesi, and the more sinister jihadi migrants sent to the Mollucas and Sulawesi by terrorist networks tied to Jema'ah Islamiyah and Al Qaeda.
Javanese, Maduran, and Bugis muslims are are all sent to Christian areas via the Transmigration Program. This is done to promote muslim and Javanese hegemony. That is an idisputable fact.
Jihadist scum sent by islamic networks outnumber all other migrants to the Mollucas. The notion that most of the transmigrants are kampungan peasants who moved to a far away Christian area on their own dime for a better life is risible. Next you'll tell me that any explosons heard at night are Ambonese fishermen using dynamite. The only reason most of the ethnic Malay muslims are going to live among the much larger and more physically powerful Ambonese, is to wage jihad. The ones who don't actively wage jihad are sent mainly by islamic networks to displace the "infidels" through sheer numbers, like a swarm of locusts.
Bringing up the Makianese transmigrants didn't help your argument. The government deliberately sent them to a predominantly Christian area in a country that is predominantly muslim. That was the root cause of the conflict. The ethnic component is only partially responsible. After all, the Makianese didn't target the Kao muslims now, did they? None of the Christian or Buhddist migrants came into conflict with the ethnic Kao.
Your description of Ambonese Christian gangsters was disingenuous. (A common theme of yours.) They didn't travel to the Mollucas to wage a Holy Crusade, and their religious faith had nothing to do with their criminal activities. This stands in stark contrast to the muslims.
As far as West Papua is concerned, ethnic and carpet-bagger motivated violence doesn't change the fact that the government in Jakarta sends muslims and Javanese there to overwhelm the Papuans through sheer numbers.
Cutting the heads off the Madurans ended the conflict with the Dayaks. Whether you approve or not, it was a solution.
If BWI thinks violence is an appropriate way to solve problems with genocidal muslims, he's right. Nothing else works. He praised the Dayak campaign to rid their land of muslim invaders. He didn't write that he exulted over the murder of innocent men, women, or children. Like me, I'm sure he regrets any innocent deaths, but heartily approves of sending the muslims packing.
Violence isn't the answer to everything, but it sure as hell isn't the answer to nothing.
Saya suda tau banyak. Kamu menulis Bahasa Indonesia seperti orang Bule. I don't read or study muslim or P.C. propaganda, by the way. There is no logical or moral reason to dislike Christianity.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 21, 2006 10:36 PM (bLPT+)
My last time into the breach:
Talk about making stuff up. You accuse me of peddling dogma, without offering any examples of the dogma i'm supposedly peddling. I mean, you wrote this: "You hid behind feigned moral outrage and faux facts to peddle the standard dogma of leftist, Libertarian, and muslim fellow travelers. Christians, "globalism," big business, and by extension, America--bad. Muslims--innocent, slandered, and oppressed."
Examples please. I don't think big business, christians or america are bad. Where's your evidence? And my moral outrage at cutting off the heads of unarmed people isn't feigned. Aren't most people outraged at such acts, whoever commits them?
My last post was all factual, and i think it well supports the argument that ethnic violence in Indonesia is rarely about religion. There's nothing "pc" about this point of view. Do i find it kind of ridiculous that a bunch of pictures of dayaks (christian animists) killing madurese (moslems) was held up as evidence of some kind of Islamic threat? Yes. It clearly is evidence of no such thing.
You write: "There is absolutely no moral equivalency between the worldwide crimes of islam and Ambonese criminals who happen to be Christian." I wasn't seeking to make a moral equivalency. I was t alking about the specifics of the war in Maluku, and particularly ambon, which you seemed to be ill-informed about.
You also write: "The vast majority of strife in indonesia is not ethnic or class warfare. It is driven by islam. Even the sporadic riots that target ethnic Chinese have an islamic component." We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. Most of the violence in Indnoesia in the 20th century has been political and ethnic, not religious, in my view and that of many others. You say you don't agree. You offer up that the sporadic riots against Chinese have an "islamic component." You mean like the Malari riots? You mean like May 1998. Surely you can't mean these....
You write: "You deride Big White Infidel for advocating violence, but you claim you "saw some horrible things" in Sampit, but "missed out on Sambas?" Missed out? You sound like a vulture. A news media vulture." I still think cutting off the heads of unarmed people is horrible. Don't you? At any rate, saw the dead, didn't see the killings, though i freely admit i probably wouldn't have the courage to confront a machete wielding mob, unarmed and alone, if put in the position to stop them. I hope i would, but i have to be honest. Probably wouldn't. Would you?
You write: "that islam is tearing Indonesia apart, and turning tolerant people into zealots. When BWI wrote: "I don't believe there were any Christians in the pictures and any Chinese were probably Buddhists," I'm pretty sure he was talking about the victims, not the head-hunters. He never claimed that the vilence was a "hardcore islamic problem," so your improper use of quotation marks is libelous."
First, let me quote BWI directly again. I'll capitalize the relevant parts of his sentence. He wrote (and you can check for yourself upthread): "The Dayaks kicked ass and the West needs to take note of how the DAYAKS HANDLED THE HARDCORE ISLAMIC PROBLEM." Would you please retract your claim of libel? Those are his exact words.
As for what he meant, i don't know. But the simple sense of his words were that there weren't any chrsitians in the picture. I pointed out the error. Why would anyone have a problem with that?
Would you please explain how "Islam is tearing Indonesia apart?" This seems seriously over the top.
You write: "Most of the madurese killed were thugs" and not unarmed folks. Evidence please? How much time have you spent talking to Dayaks and Madurese involved? The Dayaks were pretty free (ones i talked to) in admitting at the time that their goal was to exterminate all madurese in the area. Many of the dead were women and children. There are pictures of the corpses (look for them yourself, i'm sure you'll find them.)
You write: "the "dispute" between the Dayaks and the Madurans was only partly over land, money and jobs, fueled by screwed up central government policy. It was mainly a case of the Dayaks hating the offensive Madurans. That's why only the Madurans were targeted, rather than other groups with "land, money, and jobs." "
So you're saying it wasn't about religion? Ok, I can live with this.
You write: "If your criteria for Dayak anger were true, ethnic Chinese would have been the main targets. The Madurans did not have much capital, nor did they possess many skills relevant to a modern economy, unless you count becak driving and organized crime." No, the Madurans were the ones who directly took Dayak jobs in the timber stands, and there were also a hell of a lot more of them around on old Dayak land than the chinese, who are confined to big towns. At any rate, i can't tell if you're making the case this conflict had something to do with Islam or not anymore.
You write: "Suharto's village laws didn't have much to do with the conflict, either. The Madurans didn't dominate the village head, army, police, or business positions at the local level." No, but it did destroy legitimate local governance, which had two effects: Left Dayak's more pissed off, and also left them with fewer central figures of respect that could have headed off the fighting before it got out of hand.
You write: "The police stayed away from the Dayaks because they were scared stiff, not because they were incompetent.Most of them were transmigrants as well." Well, that's just wrong. When Madurese could come up with enough protection money, they got protected by the police. There were instances of platoon size units from from brimob (armed with rifles, of course) standing aside while 100s of dayaks with machetes hacked people apart. Brimob and the Army were also fighting for the revenue opportunies created by teh bloodshed. The Indonesian security forces frequently allow conflicts to go on becuase it's good for business. Check this out if you don't remember. http://www.hamline.edu/apakabar/basisdata/2001/02/27/0044.html
I don't know if your assertion that most of the police in the area were madurese or other outsiders (you don't specify) is true, but it seems a reasonable assertion. However, that would usually imply they would have been especially vigorous in protecting members of their own ethnic group (and, presumably, family members), wouldn't it? Yet they frequently did nothing.
You write: "Madurans combine traditional cultural obnoxiousness and hostility with islamic obnoxiousness and hostility, which is why the Dayaks despised them. That, and their predatory criminal behaviour. To claim otherwise is ridiculous....Screw the Madurans. They belong in Madura, because they refuse to get along with any other groups."
I'm confused. I thought this was about islam? It's actually about their obnoxious culture, predatory behavior, PLUS "islamic obnoxiousness?" Would you say that minus the "islamic obnoxiousness" the dayaks still might have hated them and cut their heads off (I mean, given all the other bad things you have to say about them, this seems reasonable). And if so, it seems like it's not about Islam, but about the maduran's culture.
You write: "Your comments about Transmigration are deliberately misleading. Madurans and Bugis are sent by the central government to Christian areas throughout the archipelago, and that's a fact. The proportion of them vs. self migrants or Javanese in places like West Papua and the Mollucas is irrelevant."
Well, I disagree. Virtually none of the Bugis, Butonese or Makasari's (the so called BBM) who have driven almost all of the mirgration to Maluku in the past 30 years were "transmigrated." Instead, they were voluntary. Which isn't so unusual. These three groups are sea farers and traders and are always looking to exploit new areas. And that's a fact.
It is a fact that Madurans have been moved into christian areas, and javanese, though it's also the case that javanese and madurans have been moved into predominantly moslem areas too. It's also the case that Balinese Hindus were transmigratted into Moslem parts of Sumatra. So is it a "fact" that the program is designed to swamp christians? While many claim that it was, there is no clear evidence. It is also a fact that the christian areas were also home to the largest unused land areas, in general. Which is why the World Bank originally went along with it. I agree that it was awful and ended with tragic consequences, but to make the case this was some government policy to swamp christians, and dismiss as "irrelevant" the fact that most of the migration in Maluku had nothing to do with the government, undermines your argument.
You write: "You conveniently (for your argument,) left out the Javanese transmigrants sent to Sulawesi, and the more sinister jihadi migrants sent to the Mollucas and Sulawesi by terrorist networks tied to Jema'ah Islamiyah and Al Qaeda."
What do you want to say about the Javanese on Sulawesi? There is no question that there have been transmigration into Toraja and probably other places up there. But as i recall, very little (none?) of the religious war in Poso involved javanese, but local christians and moslems.
I certainly did not leave out the fact that jihad groups sent people to maluku, read my post again. They weren't transmigrated, however. While i didn't mention that the same groups also sent people to Sulawesi, that was because i wasn't talking about sulawesi. But they certainly did go there, they're certainly nasty folks, and their presence certainly had nothing to do with transmigration. Again, they went under their own steam.
"Jihadist scum sent by islamic networks outnumber all other migrants to the Mollucas." This is ignorant and ridiculous. The biggest possible number of jihaddis sent to maluku during the war there was 10,000. I'm basically taking the largest estimate i ever heard and doubling it for the purpose of this conversation. That's plenty of people to create mayhem, and a horrible stain on indonesia that it was allowed to happen. But again, your comment is factually out of bounds. The BBM have been moving into Maluku in large numbers since the the 50s, thought it really accelerated in the early 70s, settling down, having kids, i.e. multiplying. I don't have the numbers for the two provinces, but in Ambon alone, they're thought to make up 1/3 of residents today -- about 100,000 people. You want to claim that more than 100,000 "jihadist scum" were sent to Maluku (5% of the total population of the two provinces of 2 million)? That's crazy. The total official transmigration program from the two provinces brought in another 100,000 over the thirty years of the program, most javanese, almost none of whom participated in the fighting. So, you're argument would imply more than 200,000 "jihadist scum" were sent there. That is, 10% of the population of the two provinces. Think again.
You write: "The only reason most of the ethnic Malay muslims are going to live among the much larger and more physically powerful Ambonese, is to wage jihad." Yes I disagree. I believe, and everyone i know of who has studied the situation, believes most of the migration has been driven by economic factors. This is not to say that jihadis haven't gone there to fight, just they are far from a majority of the migrants, and only began coming in the late 1990s.
You write: "Bringing up the Makianese transmigrants didn't help your argument. The government deliberately sent them to a predominantly Christian area in a country that is predominantly muslim. That was the root cause of the conflict. The ethnic component is only partially responsible. After all, the Makianese didn't target the Kao muslims now, did they?" No, you're wrong. They were moved because their island was going to be blown up, to an area less than 100 miles away. This caused huge problems. It was stupid, it was wrong, but the intent was not to displace christians. And yes, Kao Muslims and Makianese Muslims fought each other fiercely, as i pointed out. The Muslim sultan of ternate also sent loyalists to fight the makianese. These are facts. There are zero Buddhist or Christian migrants in Kao, Jailolo or Galela, the areas of Halmahera in question.
You write: "Your description of Ambonese Christian gangsters was disingenuous. (A common theme of yours.) They didn't travel to the Mollucas to wage a Holy Crusade, and their religious faith had nothing to do with their criminal activities. This stands in stark contrast to the muslims." This is not true. Neither the christian nor moslem ambonese gangsters were fighting a "holy crusade." Their religion was largely incidental to the fact they were gangsters fighting for turf and money. In both cases. You seem to be saying that the christianity of the bad christians was incidental, while the Islamicness of the bad moslems was central. My position, when it comes to the gangsters, is that it was incidental in both cases. While some fanatic Moslems did travel to Maluku for jihad, they were in a minority when it came to the Moslem side of the conflict, and didn't belong to the traditional ambonese gangs who, as you know, run gambling operations and prostitution and like to drink. The laskar jihad and the laskar muj were very different kettles of fish.
You write: "I don't read or study muslim or P.C. propaganda, by the way. There is no logical or moral reason to dislike Christianity."
I agree with your last sentence. As for your first, it seems you dismiss information that disagrees with your views as propaganda out of hand.
Maaf sekali kalua saye nggak bisa nulis bahasa indonesia sopan dan lengkap. Sudah 4 tahun saya nggak pakai bahasa itu. Juga, saya belajar diri (nonkrong dan nobrol banyak dengan sopir taksi, kupu2 malam dan macam2 orang begitu.) Tetapi gue masih bisa mencium omong kosong (or if you prefer, tai kerbau).
I'll leave the last word to you, if you want it. I doubt anyone but you or i is paying attention at this point anyway.
Posted by: Dan at November 22, 2006 07:19 AM (VG3ke)
Please take this the way it was intended, without undue offense: You're completely full of shit.
Your diatribes are meant to excuse islam and switch the focus to imagined christian crimes. You tossed out plagiarized nonsense about the cause of most organized (and random,) violence in Indonesia, and the sinister main purpose of transmigration. Your examples of ethnic and class violence turned out to be driven by islam, even though you went out of your way to pick areas remote from Kalimantan to make your bogus cases.
Yes your moral outrage is feigned, because it's blindly selective. you ignore Indonesian orgies of muslim violence in favor of violence you think you can pin on Christians. You claim the Madurans killed by Dayaks were unarmed, when they were known by the authorities to have been mainly armed criminals.
You cite the 20th century as proof that most violence in Indonesia has nothing to do with islam. The 20th century is gone, but even the overthrow of Sukarno was carried out by Suharto's muslim generals, and the communist and Chinese purges that followed were carried out mainly by muslims. Most of the violence in Indonesia is carried out by muslim transmigrants against their host populations, and you know it.
In case you didn't notice, Danneskjold printed a correction update, so you have no reason to wage jihad against those who dare libel islam.
I made a mistake about BWI's "hardcore islamic problem" comment. He did make it, although it was still calumnious of you to claim he blamed islam for all the hatred towards Madurans. He mentioned that even other muslims hate them.
"Examples please. I don't think big business, christians or america are bad. Where's your evidence?"
You wrote: "The Dayaks couldn't of course strike at the rich and powerful, so when their anger boiled over the hit at the marginal and weak." You blamed the Dayak campaign against Madurans on anger over "central government appointees," and big logging interests-60% of which were owned by only 10 people. You claimed the Dayaks were able to carry out their campaign because of the "corruption and incompetence of the police and military." You also wrote that "The Dayaks were pissed off because they'd been marginalized in their area economically (largely because the Madurese had more access to capital and more skills relevant to a modern economy, good old globalization at work)." You wrote that migrants to the Mollucas "moved on their own in search of economic opportunities," as though they were wetbacks leaving an economically crippled area to head to an economically thriving one. The exact oppisite is true. Java is much more prosperous than the Mollucas. You described tham as "transmigrants (that is, landless villagers resetled by the Indonsian government and the World Bank)"
You obviously have problems with big business, big government, and "globalization," as your sophistry clearly shows. You blame all islamic violence on imagined class warfare. You also blame it on every government program except the Transmigration Program. This is propaganda of Orwellian proportions.
You quote the anti-Chinese Malari riots and an unspecified riot in 1998 (there were many that year,) as being representative of all anti-Chinese riots. (I assume you're including your 20th century.) You just cant help being didingenuous, can you? By the way, what day did the Malari riots start? I know most of the Anti-Chinese riots in 1998 started on Friday, sepecially the worst ones in Ujung Pandang waged by your Bugis heroes.
Again, if you think cutting of heads is so wrong, why do you only criticize traditional head hunters for doing it? Where is your criticism of islam? It seems to be obscured by the defense motion you're mounting.
I don't believe for a minute that you've ever been to Kalimantan, but if you were, why did you ghoulishly seek out Maduran corpses to ogle at? There really weren't that many of them, and bodies wee not left strewn about for days, much less weeks. I wouldn't confront a machete weilding mob unless I had to, but I sure as hell wouldn't gape at them. I would never travel just to witness such a thing. It takes a truly deprved and self serving soul to do that.
I lived in Indonesia when the Dayaks drove out the Madurans, and I don't remember any reports of women and children being targeted. Not even my Maduran students who left Kalimantan claimed that. Of course, I wasn't there, like you claim to have been. No doubt Maduran thugs extorted money from Dayak locals without weapons. That would make them the only organized criminals in Indonesia to do so.
Refuting your lies is getting tedious. I may continue later, and I may not. It's a waste of time refuting a left-wing fanatic, because you morons only see what you belive, rather than believing what you see, like rational people.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 22, 2006 06:36 PM (bLPT+)
Son, I'm not a left wing fanatic and you're making up things about my political beliefs. Yes I do think that the corrupt business practices under Suharto were bad and contributed to indonesia's problems. This does not mean i hate big business. And yes, most of the internal migration inside indonesia is about economic opportunity (just as it as in most places in the world. You either have people fleeing conflict, or people fleeing to better opportunities). And yes, I think the Dayaks were pissed off because they'd gotten a raw deal economically. How you jump from that to claiming i hate capitalism, or america, escapes me.
Yes, I believe the Maduran's were exactly like the "wet backs," as your phrase has it. And the BBM in Maluku, and in Papua. This doesn't excuse any of their bad behavior, but it's the fact. They're not moving with some sort of black islamic purpose at heart.
You accuse me of plagarism. No claims of what it is i've allegedly plagarized though.
You say: "Yes your moral outrage is feigned, because it's blindly selective. you ignore Indonesian orgies of muslim violence in favor of violence you think you can pin on Christians." That's a lie. I haven't ignored muslim violence. But since this was a discussion of what happened with the Dayaks, it wasn't relavant. There have certainly been too many crimes to count by Moslems in Indonesia in recent years. How that's relevant to your repeated errors of fact I can't tell.
You don't really seem to understand the transmigration program, which caused huge problems in lots of places, is separate from voluntary migration, which has also caused huge problems in lots of places.
"You quote the anti-Chinese Malari riots and an unspecified riot in 1998 (there were many that year,) as being representative of all anti-Chinese riots. (I assume you're including your 20th century.) You just cant help being didingenuous, can you? By the way, what day did the Malari riots start? I know most of the Anti-Chinese riots in 1998 started on Friday, sepecially the worst ones in Ujung Pandang waged by your Bugis heroes."
The May 1998 riots, as they're generally called, helped push suharto from power. The first riot of any size that month started on Tuesday May 4 in Medan. Chinese were targetted.
There were clashes between protestors and soldiers in Yogya on Saturday May 8, and on Sunday May 9 in Bogor and Bengkulu.
Jakarta riots began on the evening of Wednesday May 12, after Indonesian soldiers shot four student protestors at Trisakti university. Rioting continued the next day, and was indeed at its worst on that Friday, May 14. In Medan, the ri
So no, it didn't start on Friday, not that would be evidence of anythihng if it had.
But, I brought it up to point out that this riot was largely engineered by parts of the military (prabowo and his boys) to seize power. Now, I guess we can say that the rioting had an "islamic component" because prabowo was Moslem, but that had nothing to do with his motivations, or the anger of the rioters. It was about power, and econonimic grievances. It was no mistake that the homes of Suharto cronies Bob Hasan and Liem Sioe Liong (Soedono Salim) were specifically targetted: They were Suharto's two biggest bag men, both billionaires who had grown rich from corruptoin, and that pissed a lot of people off.
The Malari Riots (known to Indonesians as the Peristiwa January 15 1974 if you want to look it up) were on a Tuesday. These famous riots, tied to the visit of the Japanese Foreign Minister (prime minister?) to Jakarta, were set up by Suharto's intel right hand man Ali Murtopo, the same who was suharto's hatchet man on the islamic political parties in 1973. Indonesia's islamists fucking hated Murdani, but he was happy to stir up some rioting (which did indeed target chinese businesses) to accomplish domestic political ends.
This is not to say there haven't been riots with islamist overtones (1984 in Tanjung Priok, certainly) but most have not.
There were at least two major riots for Unjung Pandang in 1998 in which chinese shops were targetted, the first on Monday February 2, the second in mid-May. I cna't find the day the date of the may rioting, but am willing to concede that it happened on Friday. But there is certainly no demonstrable patter of "most" riots against chinese happening on Fridays. All the available evidence points elsewhere. Check out this brief list of early 1998 ethnic violence. http://insideindonesia.org/digest/dig52.htm . Seems to happen on every day of the week.
Where do you get off calling them my "bugis heroes?" Have I praised them? I haven't expressed any opinion on them that i can see. I have explained some facts about their migration patterns, but that doesn't make them my heroes.
"I lived in Indonesia when the Dayaks drove out the Madurans, and I don't remember any reports of women and children being targeted." Read this Ap story, do some googling. Refresh your memory. http://www.helenair.com/articles/2001/02/28/stories/national/3a1.txt
"No doubt Maduran thugs extorted money from Dayak locals without weapons. That would make them the only organized criminals in Indonesia to do so." I'm certainly willing to believe that bad madurans stole money from or otherwise abused Dayaks. But I'm not sure what your point is.
You sure do like pejoratives, assertions, ad hominems, and the like. But that doesn't mask the fact that you consistently fail to marshall any facts to back up your positions, and keep having a number of your assumptions to be proven false (riots happen usually on fridays, more jihadis have migrated to maluku then any other group of people, indonesian moslems migrate for religious reasons not economic opportunity, no unarmed madurese women or children were killed by Dayaks... I can't wait for what false fact you'll make up next. At least try to make things up that are harder to disprove! We all need a challenge.)
Posted by: Dan at November 23, 2006 06:55 AM (gYieL)
thanks for posting the link to your article. I will enjoy reading it.
I cannot make an unbiased comment about Maluku as I have only heard and dealt with one side of the story, the Christian side. To be honest, I have only spoken to maybe three or four Muslims in Ambon so my take on the situation would be blatantly biased.
As for my brother BWI, sometimes he needs to further explain why he says the things he does. He also has a lot of anger towards traditional Muslims because of the way he has been treated by them in Java. He doesn't hide it well. Having a fatwa issued against you doesn't help either. He also won't take crap from anyone even if he's outnumbered. Speaking Indonesian, Javanese and many dialects allows him to pick up stuff being said about him or us that us normal bules would miss. His hate for the Madurese troublemakers comes from being set up by a bunch of Islamists outside a mosque in southern Madura. They tried to falsely blame him for hitting someone with his motorcycle and tried to extort money from him. He fought some of them and rode away making the ferry to Surabaya before they could catch up with him. I'm pretty sure what he meant when talking about the Dayaks was that they dealt with the problem whereas most westerners aren't confronting the Muslim situation they are faced with. He wouldn't agree with the harming of unarmed women and children.
The local Muslims in Sampit and Sambas that we talked to did see the Dayaks as heroes and yes as you posted the rest of Indonesia didn't see them as heroes. The savagery displayed by them was sickening and I saw the pictures of all the women and children slaughtered (literally bodies upon bodies). My brother doesn't see the Dayaks as true Christians and I refer to them as backsliders. As you mentioned, they revert back to their animist/ spiritualist background. For this, he says they are only Christian on their KTP and not truly Christian just like the spiritualist/animist who are Muslim on their KTP but not really Sufis, NU or any type of Islamic follower, aren't really Muslims. And also quite a few of the Chinese in Kalimantan that we've spoken to or come in contact with that were supposed to be Christian, still had household god figures in their houses as well as feng shui objects, etc. Again, my brother doesn't acknowledge them as Christians but calls them Christuddhists, Christaoists or Christifucianists but not true Christians.
Soeharto's Transmigration Policy and voluntary migration has destabilized Eastern Indonesia. If things had been left alone there wouldn't be the problems that there is now. From my travels around Indonesia, evangelizing and setting up various programs, the two most commonly hated ethnicities in Indonesia are the Javanese and Madurese. Bad behavior and arrogance don't win you many friends. The Muslims from Gorontalo that have been here in Manado for awhile don't like the Javanese that have recently moved here. The Javanese tend not to stay here now and move elsewhere because the Minahasa Christians hate the Javanese and show them no respect. Also the 30 second prayer call (that's all they are allowed here) is drowned out by Christian music blaring from loudspeakers in churches in the early morning. When I lived in Malang in East Java, I hated being woken up by prayer call. Waking up out of a dead sleep to the haunting sound of prayer call is unnerving for me. I also lived in Kelapa Gading in Jakarta and it was nice because it is predominately Chinese so I didn't hear the call there.
Again looking forward to reading your report and gaining more understanding into the conflict that took place in Maluku.
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November 16, 2006
From PakTribune.com:
Congratulating the whole nation over approval of Women Protection Bill 2006 by the Parliament, President General Pervez Musharraf Wednesday vowed to bring an end to all injustice against women and weaker segments of the society.The most notable changes concern the crime of rape. Previous to the Women Protection Bill 2006, a woman who claimed she was raped but didn't produce the required four witnesses was put in jail.
Regarding the rape, the president said the trouble with it was that if a woman is raped firstly she is being prosecuted she goes to the police station crying she is asked to bring four witnesses otherwise she is imprisoned and she becomes victim of double injustice. This was a dual injustice with out women. We have amended the Zina Bil Jabr (Rape) we put it in PPC and from now on if a woman is raped and if she had an evidence or she lacks it, only the rapist will be adjudged. There will be no bar for producing four witness and raped woman will not be put behind bars.So, in a nutshell, a woman can claim she was raped, even when there were no witnesses, and she won't be jailed. Sounds reasonable and simple yet, among the general Pakistani public, it's an earthshaking change. Families, police, judges, courts and tribal leaders will all have to recognize and comply with the change. I suspect that there will be strong reluctance among various segments to enforce the new rape law. The Musharraf government may need to force compliance.
Nonetheless, the Women Protection Bill 2006 should be considered a major step forward. There remains, however, much more work to be done before true equality between the sexes is achieved.
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The Taliban are back in control in that area, and are using it for a staging area into Afghanistan. Doesn't this remind you of another war, where our soldiers were not allowed to go and get the people who were attacking them. And if the Taliban are allowed to shelter and stage in Pakistan, and our military is not allowed to enter and destroy them, then we might as well leave right now.
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Posted by: Howie at November 16, 2006 10:11 AM (D3+20)
Communism on the march, the workers of the world uniting, the Domino theory, on their way to Japan then Hawaii.
Looking back on it those fears seem a little silly now don't they, especially with W over there now.
Somehow the idea of a worldwide caliphate unifying countries that have LONG fought with each other seems a little bit of a stretch to me.
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November 13, 2006
"Stop asking what you have done wrong. Stop it! They're slaughtering you like sheep and you still look within. You criticize your history, your institutions, your churches. Why can't you realize that it has nothing to do with what you have done but with what they want."Nonsense! Any number of Ivy League professors can tell you that we're targeted because we're arrogant cultural imperialists. Who does this troglodyte think he is?
He thinks he's Dr. Tawfik Hamid, a former member of the Egyptian terrorist group Al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, who trained under Ayman al-Zawahiri, the al Qaeda number two. Dr. Hamid has some other tidbits that will make the head of your average liberal explode:
"We're not talking about a fringe cult here. Salafist [fundamentalist] Islam is the dominant version of the religion and is taught in almost every Islamic university in the world. It is puritanical, extreme and does, yes, mean that women can be beaten, apostates killed and Jews called pigs and monkeys."Read the rest of the article to find out how sexual frustration causes suicide bombings. Really.
Hat tip to Dr. Sanity, via Larwyn.
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There are 650,000 Iraqis who might wonder if we're as innocent as all that... if they were still alive.
Posted by: Professor von Nostrand at November 14, 2006 02:25 AM (Bwpq7)
von retard? Your figures are too low, and show insufficient loyalty;
you must be re-educated!
You know what I'm doing these days perfesser? I'm buying ammunition, and thinking of you. I hope to meet you someday.
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As for meeting people whom you disagree with politically, if you posted your name it would increase the likelihood of a meeting. Whom are you hiding from, certainly you don't consider us dangerous ?
Posted by: John Ryan at November 14, 2006 09:55 AM (TcoRJ)
Women are beaten all over the globe. There is violence against women pretty much everywhere. Even Catholic countries such as Brazil and those that inherited the Napoleonic legal code had murder exceptions for honor killings.
Apostate killings happen, but in general the murder rates of muslim countries overall are less than christian. Jews are called pigs and monkeys ? Gee Bluto you use worse terms in describing your fellow citizens who chose not to vote in the approved Bluto manner.
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Welcome back, Graeme. And join the fun, there has been a troll invasion on the Jawa.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 14, 2006 10:48 AM (8PoNP)
My guess? If this number is accurate (which I'm extremely skeptical of), it's because they're factoring in the mass graves they've found. But you'll skew the numbers so it fits your picture of the Coalition being murderers, won't you?
Wake up people! They won't stop until either they or we are all dead.
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Posted by: Graeme at November 14, 2006 11:11 AM (GnoNL)
It's raining today, so I didn't go out. But we now have internet access at the deer camp thanks to Direct TV or whatever, and I have been surfing the web. Haven't worked for a week, and don't have to get back to the grind until next week, maybe Tuesday or Wednesday. In the meantime, "eat, drink, and be merry" is my motto.
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Oh I don't know t. Sometimes we can make a point or two. Are you that closed minded that you can't imagine the day you might learn something from an opposing point of view?
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Posted by: tbone at November 14, 2006 12:28 PM (HGqHt)
I thought the guy was crazy, but one terror attack after another tweaked my interest. I started to study and seek information on Islam, and what I found concerned me. The Islamists fighting in Afghanistan were not "freedom fighters" in the sense we understand, but were fighters for Islamic domination and the reestablishment of the Caliphate. What the hell was that, I thought? After reading about the Caliphate, I asked myself why would anyone want to have such an archaic institution as that?
Then the internet came along, the attacks of the fundamentalists increased, and yet no one seemed to notice what was going on. Then came 9/11. I was sure that the World would now see what had to be done, but I didn't realize the enonomic power of the Saudis, or the political power they wielded here in the US as well. They are truly the worst enemy, as they are able to operate worldwide, still spreading their doctrine of hate, now rising in what were moderate Muslim nations such as Indonesia and Malaysia.
What can we do, you say? The number one thing we should do is start a Manhatten-type program with the goal of making the US energy independant in 10 years. I know this sounds incredible, but I believe it can be done.
Once this has been done, we will be in a position to better deal with these people. Meanwhile, no Muslims should be allowed to immigrate to the US. I realize this is harsh, but we now have radicals entering the US, setting up terrorist cells, awaiting orders.
There are many other things that should be done, but energy independence is the single most important thing.
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Why yes I did t. And ya know someting? When people start talking to one another, and begin listening to each other, sometimes we hear each other, and can come to an understanding. When that happens weapons are put away, people don't die, and progress is made. Isn't that what we all want? What I don't understand is why can't we agree on that one point? And then give it a try, instead of being dismissive. I've been down that road. It goes nowhere. And it never will.
Posted by: No Fear at November 14, 2006 12:49 PM (ZQepB)
BTW, Don't feel guilty JJ, ENJOY! - as I peer over my cube and out the office window...
Posted by: tbone at November 14, 2006 12:56 PM (HGqHt)
Perhaps it's my age, and the fact that my children are growing up, but I'm looking out the window, and the leaves are the most beautiful this year I ever remember them. The purples, yellows, oranges, and just about every color in between are truly breathtaking. And the fact that I am 15 miles from the nearest town doensn't hurt my feelings, either. I wish you all could experience this.
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TV and internet are a fun distraction while in the midst of cutting up
meat.
I can't argue with you there (actually, I'm jealous). Hey, maybe we should work on setting up a "Hunter Exchange" program ... love to try some southwestern hunting some day!
The UP's wang HaHa! I guess that truly makes us "the balls!"
Posted by: Gleep! at November 14, 2006 04:18 PM (UHKaK)
would be thrown into mass chaos at 12:01am January 1, 2000. As a
matter of fact, the worst thing I can remember happening was some
people in New England bought new 2000 cars and the computer
issued them license plates that said "Horseless Carriage" because it
thought the date was 1900. That North was right on Wahabbist
Islam only proves that even a blind squirrel gets a nut once in a while.
Posted by: Oyster at November 14, 2006 04:44 PM (UeUAE)
In my post I said I thought North was crazy. And really, I've had no contact with the guy in years, but he was the man who tweaked my interest in radical Islam. I guess I can thank him for that, although ignorance is bliss, as they say. Perhaps I would have been better off not knowing, because the media sure as hell isn't going to tell us about it.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 14, 2006 05:17 PM (8PoNP)
Libs always have their priorities straight.
Posted by: Mark at November 14, 2006 07:28 PM (B44Q5)
I publish my name, and you show up at my house, I will kill you, so
consider it a favor to your misbegotten kind.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 15, 2006 02:15 AM (v3I+x)
Posted by: Oyster at November 15, 2006 10:19 AM (UeUAE)
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 15, 2006 11:28 AM (8PoNP)
November 12, 2006
From InsideBayArea.com:
"This is more than just 'wear a hijab or turban' day," said Samina F. Sundas, founder of the Newark-based American Muslim Voice and Global Peace Partners. "It's about educating each other about our differences and recognizing that we should focus on what binds us together."So, although the police haven't identified a motive in the Ansari killing, the Muslim community is taking immediate corrective action against hate crime. Notably, this response is consistent with Muslim reactions to perceived hate crimes in other regions of the globe. In those cases, however, corrective measures are more strident. Instead of 'Wear a Hajib/Turban,' everyone is simply encouraged to don an explosive vest.The idea for the event originated days after Alia Ansari, a 38-year-old Afghan woman from Fremont, was gunned down Oct. 19 as she walked with her 3-year-old daughter to pick up some of her other children from an elementary school.
Police have yet to declare a motive in the Ansari case, but the perception among some in the community is that the shooting had to be a hate crime because Ansari was wearing a hijab, the traditional Muslim head scarf.
Presumably, the next time a Jew is killed in a suspected hate crime, organizers will promote a "Wear a Star of David/Yarmulka to Work/School Day." Of course, don't expect the media to pleasantly encourage the public to participate.
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Posted by: Oyster at November 12, 2006 10:13 AM (YudAC)
Somehow, I do not think there is much commonality that binds
Sikhs to muhammedans with/without the turbin.
Posted by: heroyalwhyness at November 12, 2006 10:31 AM (MAPKL)
perception among some in the community is that the shooting had to be a
hate crime
Interesting how common honor killings are in the muslim community, but crickets chirping. They're more concerned with the ever elusive "hate crimes." Says a lot. And Leftard silence also speaks volumes.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 12, 2006 10:33 AM (8e/V4)
Posted by: JeepThang at November 12, 2006 10:53 AM (yZQoS)
ahead and claimed it was a hate crime and she was killed for only being
Muslim. Their proof.....why else would anybody randomly kill somebody
on the street in such a peaceful utopia as Fremont. What bullshit.
Posted by: Randman at November 12, 2006 11:03 AM (Sal3J)
Christians and Jews are OK, right?
Of course, a lot of you are not too crazy about the Jews, either, since they are the ones that killed Jesus.
Any other religions that meet with your approval?
Which ones would you ban, in this country, if you could, besides Islam, since we all know that all Muslims are terrorists, don't we?
If I were you, I wouldn't be trying to piss off any more Muslims, especially the one million plus that are living in America.
There are still a few left, that President Moron, hasn't pissed off, yet, but he keeps trying.
And with your help, he is succeeding on pissing off the rest of them.
Kudos, all around, to President Moron and you guys, for helping to make the world a more dangerous place.
Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 12, 2006 11:06 AM (qBTkS)
Posted by: Oyster at November 12, 2006 11:12 AM (YudAC)
Posted by: Oyster"
No, what binds you and your friends together is wrapping yourselves in the American flag and pretending that you are patriotic Americans, while you try to label everyone that doesn't agree with you as cowards and traitors.
Real Americans have voted the party of cowards and traitors out of office (except for the biggest one, who can't run again, anyway).
Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 12, 2006 11:14 AM (qBTkS)
Posted by: Oyster "
Yep, Oyster, you beat the Moonbats out of bed by a whole hour.
But it seems that your eyes (and mind) are still closed, no matter what time you get up.
Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 12, 2006 11:18 AM (qBTkS)
Actually, at 6AM, I was paying bills and praying for the tax increases on the rich, that will begin to get us out of the debt that President Moron has put us in.
Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 12, 2006 11:21 AM (qBTkS)
1. The slaying marks the second time someone in the victim's family has been shot and killed in Fremont. . . The suspected gunman in that incident, upset over a spurned romance, also wounded Rahim Ansari's brother-in-law . . .
2. She typically drove to pick up two of her daughters from Glenmoor Elementary School, but left home on foot Thursday because of engine trouble. Witnesses said a man got out of a car, approached her and shot her at point-blank range before returning to the car and speeding away.
So - her family has fallen victim to a previous "honor killing" and her car just happens to develop engine trouble so she's forced to walk, where she gets killed. It sounds like an inside job - the person had access to her car to ensure that she was forced to walk to pick up the kids and the murderer knew she had to pick up the kids so he knew what time to hit his mark.
No. It doesn't look like a hate crime against Islam. It look suspiciously like a hate crime caused by the religion of hate - Islam.
Posted by: Ansar Al-kuffir at November 12, 2006 12:08 PM (KjO46)
Posted by: Oyster at November 12, 2006 12:08 PM (YudAC)
Now tell me, how many domestic abuse victims are hunted down and killed in this country?
Why is that not being reported now?
Suddenly, this is a hate crime?
Where is the muslim husband she was fleeing in the first place?
Posted by: Melissa In Texas at November 12, 2006 12:51 PM (bbxLM)
But they ARE amusing in their own mentally retarded way. Reading the postings of someone like puddleduck reaffirms my belief in their own eventual self-destruction.
Posted by: Subvet at November 12, 2006 12:53 PM (DNVxw)
Posted by: Subvet"
Thanks for the compliment, Subvet!!
It is my sole purpose to keep you and your little friends amused.
It isn't really much of a challenge, though, since simple minds are easily amused, anyway.
But thanks for the compliment, anyway.
And Oyster -
"Puddleduck: It took you three posts to try and put me in my
place? Try again. You just go ahead cheer on the rollback
on tax cuts. It's going to affect middle class America too.
But hey, as long as those disgusting rich people get punished who
cares, right?
You're going to have to get up a lot earlier than 6am.
Posted by: Oyster"
"Rollback of the tax cuts"?
Where did you get that? That is a Democrat talking point. Are you, actually, a closet Democrat?
The Republican talking point is that the Democrats are going to "raise your taxes", not that they are going to "rollback the tax cuts".
What happened? Did you let your subscription to the Daily GOP talking points newsletter run out?
You're right, Oyster.
Even the middle class is going to ante up their fair share of taxes to pay for the economic disaster that President Moron has made of this country.
If we don't raise taxes now, all we are doing is putting more of a tax burden on our children and grandchildren or don't you care about your children's future?
And you shouldn't worry about taxes going up.
Since you are such a fucking genius, you must be rich and can afford to pay more taxes.
Yep, I would have to get up earlier than 6AM to outsmart you.
You continue, with each post, to further convince me of your superior intelligence.
Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 12, 2006 12:54 PM (qBTkS)
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos"
Let me know who that Lefty is, and I promise to go have a talk with him.
Thanks for the info.
Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 12, 2006 12:57 PM (qBTkS)
Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 12, 2006 01:00 PM (qBTkS)
To a Dem, anybody who makes more than 50K.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos "
Sounds good to me. I don't mind paying my fair share.
How about you?
Or you want to continue enjoying the free ride?
Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 12, 2006 01:02 PM (qBTkS)
The countries with the highest rates are overwhelmingly "christian"
In the United States the most horriffic recent mass murder was the killing of the Amish schoolgirls. In his suicide note the shooter wrote about how angry he was with his God
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15113706/
Honor killings occur in many countries, both christian and muslim. It was only in the past decade that Brazil finally outlawed honor killing of wives.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killings
Posted by: john ryan at November 12, 2006 01:03 PM (TcoRJ)
place? Try again. You just go ahead cheer on the rollback
on tax cuts. It's going to affect middle class America too.
But hey, as long as those disgusting rich people get punished who
cares, right?
You're going to have to get up a lot earlier than 6am.
Posted by: Oyster at November 12, 2006 01:04 PM (YudAC)
Posted by: Oyster at November 12, 2006 01:18 PM (YudAC)
Any other religions that meet with your approval?
Piddle,
I hear plenty of Lefties saying they want to ban ALL religion. I'm sure you'd approve of that, except for your religion of course (Liberalism).
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 12, 2006 01:52 PM (8e/V4)
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 12, 2006 01:54 PM (8e/V4)
HOSTILITY TO ZIONISM SEEN AS ‘MAJOR THREAT’
“A leading voice of the pro-Israel lobby is pushing for an old-style “witchhuntâ€â€”under the guise of “homeland securityâ€â€”to identify (and expel) individuals in the U.S. government and our military who are suspected of being hostile to Israel.â€
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/pentagon__infiltrated_.html
The Israelis just won’t be happy unless we put their interests ahead of our own.
Posted by: Greg at November 12, 2006 02:40 PM (19GwZ)
Means Committee, has been calling for a repeal of the tax cuts since
they were enacted. Many other Democrats have as well.
Talking point my ass. You'd better do more reading.
Personally, I'm not at all comfortable with you deciding whether I've
paid my "fair share". How could you possibly know whether I'm
"rich" or "poor"? Whether I've paid enough to suit your idea of
who should pay what. You're just playing big-mouth with no brain
behind it. I do believe you're quickly surpassing Greg in the
dangerous idiot department.
Posted by: Oyster at November 12, 2006 02:45 PM (YudAC)
I live pretty close to Fremont and it's driving me crazy that more people aren't seeing this for the crock that it is.
Whoever did this was described as a "Latino or Black" man--(I would also suggest Middle Eastern) Whoever it was got out of the car and walked towards this woman. So it's unlikely that the killer was just looking for any Muslim--it seemed like they were going after a specific Muslim woman. Add to this the fact that the husband, who owned his own mechanic shop left after the funeral with his children to Afghanistan citing economic reasons (as if owning your own business in the West is not as economically viable as living in Afghanistan)
Another thing that is not getting much media play--mentioned just once in the Chronicle after paragraphs denouncing video games, Christians, and talk radio--that four years ago a similar shooting took place in the same family over a "spurned relationship".
I'm willing to bet anything this was an honor killing. And here we are again sponsoring a Let's All Convert Day. . .
Good work, Jawa!
Posted by: Will at November 12, 2006 03:09 PM (adqPE)
Syria, Russia and Venezuela, as possible “adversaries†for the
U.S.-Israel Axis.
Greg,
given these countries ARE our adversaries or enemies, how is the joooish lobby putting Israel's interests before our own? Methinks it's moonbats and Leftards putting our enemies interests before our own (as usual).
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 12, 2006 03:13 PM (8e/V4)
Means Committee, has been calling for a repeal of the tax cuts since
they were enacted. Many other Democrats have as well.
Talking point my ass. You'd better do more reading.
Personally, I'm not at all comfortable with you deciding whether I've
paid my "fair share". How could you possibly know whether I'm
"rich" or "poor"? Whether I've paid enough to suit your idea of
who should pay what. You're just playing big-mouth with no brain
behind it. I do believe you're quickly surpassing Greg in the
dangerous idiot department.
Posted by: Oyster"
Good for Charlie.
He will be doing what the majority of Americans want him to do, instead of the minority Right Wing.
Whatever you are paying, it's not enough.
I'm planning on passing Greg in the dangerous idiot department (with apologies to Greg for stealing his title).
Then I will be running a distant second to you.
Waterfowl rule and mollusks drool!!
Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 12, 2006 03:23 PM (qBTkS)
Posted by: Jimmy the Dhimmi at November 12, 2006 03:50 PM (CI4Lt)
Posted by: bird dog at November 12, 2006 03:56 PM (L5LRS)
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 12, 2006 04:27 PM (8e/V4)
Posted by: Randman at November 12, 2006 04:58 PM (Sal3J)
Posted by: JihadGene at November 12, 2006 05:27 PM (ywiyu)
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 12, 2006 07:12 PM (8PoNP)
How many dim's went to Iraq to dip their hands in the blood of the Iraqi people that were slaughtered today for the benefit of the dim's get out of Iraq plan. Millions will be slaughtered and the dim's could care less/ That is also a fact.
Posted by: Scrapiron at November 12, 2006 07:38 PM (rqlgb)
Posted by: Oyster at November 12, 2006 07:46 PM (YudAC)
Posted by: RepJ at November 12, 2006 08:17 PM (XXEg4)
But then again, he seems to believe in the "It all belongs to the government" school of liberalism.
http://rhymeswithright.mu.nu/archives/204730.php
Posted by: Rhymes With Right at November 12, 2006 09:17 PM (kLVxs)
Posted by: Randman"
I think you have me confused me with the, former, GOP controlled congress, where they separate the men from the boys....with a crowbar.
You don't have to be an Atheist to understand how important the concept of separation of church and state is, but that would be getting off topic, wouldn't it?
I have seen only 2 religions that meet with your approval, so far.
Are there any more, that you approve of?
What about the list of religions that you would ban, besides Islam?
Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 13, 2006 06:14 AM (qBTkS)
Posted by: jesusland joe"
When did Elton John become an American citizen?
....and you call me an idiot??
But, to be "fair and balanced", I guess that on this website, you are considered to be a "genius?.
Got anything more? So far, the straw grasping doesn't seem to be paying off, for you or your buddies.
You really have have to do better.
Now sit back, take a deep breath and say to yourself - "I'm going to put this lefturd in his place, using my superior wit and carefully developed and well reasoned logic, rather than the elementary school rants, that don't seem to be working, so far".
The short story - think before you post again, about some foreign national, like Sir Elton John, and his views on religion or any other subject that has nothing to do with life in the US.
Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 13, 2006 06:29 AM (qBTkS)
How many dim's went to Iraq to dip their hands in the blood of the Iraqi people that were slaughtered today for the benefit of the dim's get out of Iraq plan. Millions will be slaughtered and the dim's could care less/ That is also a fact.
Posted by: Scrapiron "
Those mountain "cave" lots are going fast.
Act now, before it's too late.
And start watching for those after Christmas sales of guns and ammo at Wal-Mart.
"Millions will be slaughtered and the dim's could care less/ That is also a fact".
BTW - glad you can state "facts", as well as your President Moron.
One man's fiction is another man's "fact", eh Scrapiron?
The election is over. America won. You lost. Get over it.
Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 13, 2006 06:39 AM (qBTkS)
Posted by: Oyster"
Oh, give Scrapiron a break, Oyster.
If you are real nice to him, he may let you help him set up his stash of IEDs in Muslim neighborhoods.
You can wave at the Muslims, traveling, in the opposite direction, to plant IEDs in your neighborhood.
What fun, huh?
Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 13, 2006 06:45 AM (qBTkS)
But then again, he seems to believe in the "It all belongs to the government" school of liberalism."
http://rhymeswithright.mu.nu/archives/204730.php
Posted by: Rhymes With Right"
2 points -
1. I'm not in favor of cutting taxes for those making between $100K & $500K.
You must have me confused with one of those deficit/national debt-increasing, spend and spend, Republicans.
2. "It all belongs to the government" school of liberalism.
Thanks for straightening me out on this point.
I was under the mistaken impression that WE were the government, or didn't you vote in the last election (or wasn't your vote counted on the new electronic voting machine?).
I thought we were supposed to have "government of the people, by the people and for the people".
So, who is this "government" that you are talking about?
But I can't blame you for being confused, since that expression was changed 6 years ago to "government of the rich, by the rich and for the rich".
If you are nice to "Job", he might lend you his towel, to throw in when he finds it.
Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 13, 2006 07:04 AM (qBTkS)
I see you leftists post time after time about how all the foreigners hate us now, so I know you are a good lefty and wish to be popular again. That would be a great place for you to start.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 13, 2006 10:06 AM (8PoNP)
Posted by: Howie at November 13, 2006 10:11 AM (D3+20)
Wow. Are always this tolerant? Or just homophobic. I sincerely hope you don't speak this way around children. Even if you do, have no fear, they'll so learn what a bigot you have exposed yourself to be.
Posted by: No Fear at November 13, 2006 10:41 AM (ZQepB)
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 13, 2006 11:14 AM (8PoNP)
Offensive terms for an openly homosexual man. Its usage is controversial and underwent substantial changes over the course of the 20th century. It is considered to be offensive and derisive.
Or:
NOUN:
Offensive Slang Used as a disparaging term for a homosexual person.
How is it you don't know this? I cannot decide if your bigotry exceeds you ignorance, or if it's the other way around.
Posted by: No Fear at November 13, 2006 11:35 AM (ZQepB)
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 13, 2006 11:37 AM (8e/V4)
Great responce. That's the best you can come up with to defend yourself. Ok, well I always knew that ignorance and intolerance were one and the same. Have yourself a gay day.
Posted by: No Fear at November 13, 2006 11:42 AM (ZQepB)
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 13, 2006 11:44 AM (8e/V4)
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 13, 2006 11:49 AM (8PoNP)
See ya wouldn't wanta be ya.
Posted by: No Fear at November 13, 2006 11:56 AM (ZQepB)
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 13, 2006 12:06 PM (8PoNP)
Let me educate you on a couple of things. I'm
Sicilian. If my 2nd cousin calls me a dago we're cool. But IF, the Irish kid from the next block over calls me a dago...you know where we're gonna go. So if you call a queer a queer you best be one buddy. Otherwise you have insulted alot of good men and women. It's the same for people of other colors or religions.
Calling people towel heads is not cool.
Calling people kikes is not cool.
If you are in a resturant and you say hey look there's a queer....
Calling people a QUEER IS BIGOTRY. Ya got that?
If you truley do believe that's not offensive, and you meant no harm, find another way of expressing yourself.
BTW, how do you stant on Gay marriage. But before you get you undies in a bunch here's the definition:
joining in wedlock: the joining together in wedlock of two people
union of two things: a close union, blend, or mixture of two things
specific marriage relationship: a married relationship between two people, or a somebody's relationship with his or her spouse
Posted by: No Fear at November 13, 2006 01:52 PM (ZQepB)
this is CARLOS speaking to you. stfu asshole. The way you Leftards speak of christians one would think you are the most bigoted people on the planet. Glass houses. If you think we are bigoted, we learned it from the best (you).
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 13, 2006 02:04 PM (8e/V4)
Are you ever going to get around to answering me on the "Isn't it ironic?" thread? I am unsure if you're arguing with me, or just being sarcastic.
Posted by: davec at November 13, 2006 02:19 PM (QkWqQ)
Marriage-a legal union between a man and a woman.
That is what the law says, not me. It also happens to be my definition.
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 13, 2006 05:06 PM (8PoNP)
I'm liberal and a Christian. Christ was a liberal.
Problem with a Christian being liberal, Carlos?
How well do you know your Christianity?
For someone with Jesusland in their name, it seems they have little understanding of just who Jesus was.
Posted by: Liberal Christian at November 13, 2006 05:31 PM (311gq)
Posted by: davec at November 13, 2006 05:45 PM (QkWqQ)
Posted by: Liberal Christian at November 13, 2006 05:50 PM (311gq)
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 13, 2006 06:08 PM (8PoNP)
Posted by: Liberal Christian at November 13, 2006 06:27 PM (311gq)
http://tinyurl.com/5ymka
I however would prefer to live in 'jesusland' than the 'united states of canada' and not everyone is ashamed of it either.
Posted by: davec at November 13, 2006 08:03 PM (QkWqQ)
Because you're a dumb ass. But if Jesus was a "Liberal", then God is a conservative. Except Jesus wasn't a Liberal because although he loved sinners, he hated sin-- and Liberals LOVE sin. You glorify it. So no, he wasn't a Liberal.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 14, 2006 12:29 AM (8e/V4)
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos "
Of course they are "adversaries", because President Moron says they are (or is it just you JC that is saying that - I certainly wouldn't want to put words in President Moron's mouth, since he wouldn't know what to do with them anyway).
We will be invading these countries any day now, since they have been declared as "adversaries".
Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 14, 2006 07:12 AM (qBTkS)
Posted by: davec "
I thought Jesusland was a RW conservative Christian amusement park in Kansas.
I think it's right next to the Creationist Museum of Natural History.
You know - the one that depicts humans fighting with dinosaurs.
You guys seem like even bigger idiots, when you try to defend each other.
Keep up the good work.
Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 14, 2006 07:21 AM (qBTkS)
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 14, 2006 10:16 AM (8PoNP)
if you had even a tiny shred of intellectual honesty it might make a difference whether you call us idiots. You don't, so it doesn't. You know exactly what the term "Jesusland" is, who coined it, and why we adopted it.
Your other comments that Iran, et al, is our adversary only because bushitler said it was is also devoid of any honesty (or maybe it's brains).
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 14, 2006 10:16 AM (8e/V4)
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 14, 2006 12:01 PM (8PoNP)
Why don't you get back to me on the "Isn't it Ironic" thread where you claimed that Bill Clinton wasn't impeached?
Yep, Cinton was impeached?
Yet, he was somehow able to finish out his second term.
Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 12, 2006 08:13 AM
I would have thought that lying about a blowjob would be just as bad, if not worse, than covering up a felony breaking and entering, wouldn't you?
How did he manage to finish his second term, without being tossed out?
Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 12, 2006 12:24 PM
It's funny that you don't know that the Senate had to censure him for him to lose office, he was impeached -- impeachment does not mean you're automatically kicked out of office , and your Nixon example is even funnier because he never waited to be censured, he resigned.
How's it feel to have a 'foreigner' tell you how your own countries Government works?
Posted by: davec at November 14, 2006 12:21 PM (QkWqQ)
How's it feel to have a 'foreigner' tell you how your own countries Government works?
Liberals ARE foreigners for all intents and purposes, always siding with our enemies and adversaries, always threatening to sail to Fwance when they don't get their way.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 14, 2006 12:43 PM (8e/V4)
November 07, 2006
From ITV.com:
A Muslim police officer is taking legal action against the Metropolitan Police after he was removed from a team protecting Tony Blair.Contrary to Farooq's assertion, Scotland Yard considers him a potential threat to national security because his children had attended a mosque with links to a suspected terrorist group. Nonetheless, with political correctness dictating policies in the United Kingdom, Farooq may win his discrimination case.Amjad Farooq, who was a member of the Diplomatic Protection Group SO16, claims he was forced out because of his religion.
The 39-year-old claims he was told his presence might upset the American secret service, which works closely with the Metropolitan Police unit.
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Posted by: Joe Public at November 07, 2006 10:14 AM (HIq/j)
Who gives a s**t?!?!?!
If he wins his suit, I think that the UK has just finally surrendered.
Sheesh!
Posted by: Lonevoice at November 07, 2006 10:15 AM (5FJlF)
The fact that he was hired to SO16 in the first place is a testament to the self destructive politically correct mania which has seized that country.
It sucks to be British. It's an open ended question whether or not they decide to take their country back. It seems like the tougher they talk, the more they acquiesce to the Multi-cult hordes. Socialists, muslims, and chavs are destroying what national identity they have left.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 07, 2006 10:37 AM (bLPT+)
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 07, 2006 10:39 AM (8e/V4)
Posted by: jesusland joe at November 07, 2006 10:47 AM (8PoNP)
Posted by: Jack's Smirking Revenge at November 07, 2006 10:56 AM (R+h5X)
If we survive, it will change to say: 'first they came for the muslims, then the arabs....."
keep cheerleading the destruction of your country, cause thats all these types of policies lead to....
Posted by: Canuckelistan at November 07, 2006 01:29 PM (6cnA/)
Posted by: rob at November 07, 2006 02:18 PM (QpkBe)
We're light years behind the British when it comes to dissolving our national identity. The islamopithecines will never be allowed to form a separate nation within our borderes, Dearborn Michigan notwithstanding. The public wont allow it and the right to bear arms will make sure it never comes to pass. Besides, the most sub-human slum dweller, city slicker, or trailer trash in the country is a higher form of life than a chav.
While you're cutting the British slack, they're busy bashing us night and day.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 08, 2006 06:51 PM (bLPT+)
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 08, 2006 06:52 PM (bLPT+)
1)Pc Amjad Farooq, 39, is suing the Metropolitan Police for race and religious discrimination after he was removed from Scotland Yard's Diplomatic Protection Group (S016) when he was told he had failed a security check because his children went to the same mosque as an imam suspected of having links to terrorism.
2)Mr Davies says his client is also concerned how his case has been wrongly used by those who want to make British Muslims the scapegoats for the threat from international terrorism.
The Muslim firearms officer who was sacked from an elite Scotland Yard unit guarding dignitaries, including Tony Blair, is seeking special police protection after he was forced to move to a secret location amid fears for the safety of his family... !
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/legal/article1963004.ece
Posted by: Ali Oops at November 09, 2006 08:02 PM (ovL37)
October 23, 2006
WAPO: MORGANTOWN, W.Va. When dealing with a "disobedient wife," a Muslim man has a number of options. First, he should remind her of "the importance of following the instructions of the husband in Islam."And if that doesn’t work, he should, you know, smack the bitch around a bit.
The notion of using physical punishment as a "disciplinary action," as Sheha suggests, especially for "controlling or mastering women" or others who "enjoy being beaten," is common throughout the Muslim world. Indeed, I first encountered Sheha's work at my Morgantown mosque, where a Muslim student group handed it out to male worshipers after Friday prayers one day a few years ago...In the Koran yes, but to be fair you should only beat her until Submission.….Not long after I picked up the free Saudi book, Mahmoud Shalash, an imam from Lexington, Ky., stood at the pulpit of my mosque and offered marital advice to the 100 or so men sitting before him. He repeated the three-step plan, with "beat them" as his final suggestion. Upstairs, in the women's balcony, sat a Muslim friend who had recently left her husband, who she said had abused her; her spouse sat among the men in the main hall.
At the sermon's end, I approached Shalash. "This is America," I protested. "How can you tell men to beat their wives?"
"They should beat them lightly," he explained. "It's in the Koran."
Hat Tip: Blue Crab Boulevard.
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Posted by: Henry at October 23, 2006 04:36 PM (fVPXf)
Or, do you simply post this, so that you can demonize muslims?
Look, religious fundamentalism is wrong. Hell, organized religion in general sucks. Its too easy to control people, and its too random in its logic. I'd stop short of saying all religious beliefs are terrible. Some things are cool, like Jesus saying 'love your neighbor' and stuff. And, i've seen what type of inner strength a deeply religious commitment can bring, but like i say having organizations 'interperet' and control your beliefs and ideas is usually not a good thing. Just look at christians....
But, this isn't your beliefs is it? You just hate muslims. And, more specifically Arab muslims. In fact, its really more of an arab thing isn't it? Because if you were really against muslims, then you wouldn't want your government to invade iraq, a mostly secular dictatorship. Instead, you'd rather them invade Kuwait or Saudi Arabia. But, you can't do that, because they are friends with America, because Bush says so.
Lets just face, it you guys are hypocrits. You don't care about women, or human rights. You care about killing arabs, demonizing other cultures, and proping up the American Empire. Quit pretending, i'm sure there are people on your side that would apprieciate that too, because they're confused....
Posted by: yermom at October 23, 2006 06:10 PM (6cnA/)
Posted by: DAT at October 23, 2006 08:24 PM (mLDgy)
is that, like, when you misrepresent an opposing arguement in order to point out fallicaies?
that would sounds kinda like what DAT is doing. I never defended 'beating a woman'. I slammed you guys for being racists and bigots. and, i sarcastically pointed out the hypocritical nature of this website, but i never defended violence against women. The main reason why i would not defend violence against women, is well.....THAT WOULD BE DUMB!
but, i do see that you have no qualms about using violence, or advocaing voilence, against those who disagree with you. Learn to read before you try to discredit me.
ps, just to clarify, violence against women is wrong. if these muslims are advocating it, they are wrong. But, your blanket stereotypes and blatant bigotry isn't going to be right, just because they are wrong.....dealing with you guys is like dealing with childeren: "he's being bad!", "no, he's being bad!"......again, get a life
Posted by: yermom at October 23, 2006 09:31 PM (6cnA/)
Posted by: yermom at October 23, 2006 09:34 PM (6cnA/)
"White Americans are justice. Without them there wouldn't be any. Look around the world."
by greypooster. its in the 'kennedy traitor' chain.....
Posted by: yermom at October 23, 2006 09:41 PM (6cnA/)
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 23, 2006 11:22 PM (Dd86v)
What does your textbook case of left-wing idiocy have to do with the muslim abuse of women? Hurling ad hominems against this site is no substitute for a reasoned argument, but nobody will ever accuse the left of reason.
Your caricature of moderates and conservatives as: misogynistic, homophobic, racist, fanatical, imperialistic, tyrannical, lying, hypocritical, confused, warmongering, bigoted children comes straight from "The Little Red Book Of Leftism."
You moonbats really know how to project don't you? You Stalin-Lites on the left think women and so-called minorities are so pathetically inferior that they cant get by in life without special rights and privileges. You fanatics are trying to impose your PC, Marxist, self-loathing social engineering project on the rational majority with a pathological zeal, and you do so through deceitful propaganda. You wage war against the people defending this country from its enemies, and hate anybody who dares to disagree with your obscene ideology. Your vicious hatred of anyone who is different is matched only by the that of the muslims. (The only other baby killers on the planet, coincidentally.)
Leftism is nothing but juvenile contumacy, and it's based on a fathomless hatred. You have chosen to be the enemies of mankind, along with the muslims.
Muslims are imperialistic warmongers who routinely: commit genocide, plunder their neighbors, murder their own daughters, wives and mothers, murder homosexuals, enslave others, saw off innocent people's heads on video night, fly planes into buildings, blow-up women, children and the elderly, shoot 4 year old children in front of their families, lie constantly and claim to be victims themselves. They do all of this in the name of their debased religion.
Their actions are indefensible, and yet here you are: defending the most depraved culture ever to exist, and demonizing the finest one ever to exist. What a sick little clown you are.
A few facts for your spreadsheet: Women, homosexuals and "transgenders," (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean,) already have equality and then some in the West. Why should anyone here support these ill defined groups in their relentless jihad for power and special privileges?
It's your allies in the islamic world who deny them basic human rights--not that you care.
What does the left's vile pro-infanticide stance have to do with muslims and women? Every child murdered by its mother had a father too, but you leftist scum don't give a shit about men's nearly non-existent rights any more than you do a baby's.
Fundamentalist Christians provide more charity and hands on support to the downtrodden than all the governments and NGOs of the world combined, and they do it without the massive fraud and graft. They do not impose their views on anybody, despite shrill leftist accusations to the contrary. (In stark contrast to the left and your Arab muslim idols.)
Let's see you do something to support discrimination against men, babies, White people and Christians. Or, do you simply post this so you can demonize them?
Arab culture is predicated on violence, tyranny, thievery, misogyny, deceit, cowardice and rank body odor. Is it any wonder it spawned islam? (Arabs are not a separate race, by the way.)
Reasonable people consider these traits barbaric and unacceptable. Many people hate muslims and Arabs because of their actions. Hating a debased culture is a rational act.
Defending it is not, especially when you secular leftists are higher on the muslim Arab hit list than patriots are. Defending a genocidal despot like Saddam Hussein and his regime of misery is unconscionable. Blaming America's ostensible alliance with Saudi Arabia and Kuwait on President Bush is disingenuous and fatuous. But, this isn't about your beliefs is it? You just hate patriots.
You're a mincing little hypocrite. If you cared about women and human rights, you would denounce the cultural atrocities committed by muslim Arabs. Instead, you demonize America and defend the most despicable culture on the planet.
You stupidly define America as an Empire. Please tell us what colonies America maintains? What conquered peoples are sending us tax payments or other tribute?
Claiming that Greyrooster speaks for everyone at this blog is sophomoric. Strawman argument, remember?
It just so happens that Greyrooster was right, though. Human rights and justice are a product of the West. We import it around the world, over the objections of moonbat misanthropes like you.
Try not to fall off the short bus on your way to therapy, dillrod. Tell yermom she did a good job and I'll pay her the 5 bucks later.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at October 24, 2006 02:15 AM (bLPT+)
What's wrong with the comment section?
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at October 24, 2006 02:21 AM (bLPT+)
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 24, 2006 06:25 AM (v3I+x)
If you are a muslim you already have a inferiority complex. Enjoying being beaten is the next step to allah.
Jomama: All you do is yak, yak, yak without real examples. What you call proof of something is merely a illusion in your sick mind. Your claim that we support gays is bullshit. Some bloggers take the path of not being anti-gay simply because gays do not wish to kill or force their idealogy on us. The same as we appear to be pro-Israel. We are pro-Israel because they are fighting the muslims and don't wish to kill us. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Your silly claims are just ridiculous ravings.
I am still waiting for you to disprove anything in the South Africans letter. But you can never back up your mouth. The sign of a punk.
I am the only admitted racist on this blog. I am constantly fighting with idiots like you who comment on this blog. I'm right, they are wrong. Someday they will realize it. So once again more bullshit you cannot back up with fact.
Show me the justice in the world. Look at American courts. "White Americans are justice" Very true. Look at the 50 or so Africa nations or the middle east. You call that justice. I ask you where is the injustice in America? Another claim that you cannot back up. The only race that even begins to compare with white dominated countries is Japan. That came after white dominated America showed them the way. If white people were as bad as you claim there wouldn't be any other races. We have now and in the past the power to change the racial makeup of the world.
As IM says trying to get something real from a lefturd is impossible. Now take that watermelon out back and have breakfast. I know what you are.
Posted by: Greyrooster at October 24, 2006 07:01 AM (zqSqi)
Maxipad: your a moron who thinks violence or threats of violence will change my political beliefs....hmm, what was that definition of terrorism again?
finally Jeff: ad homenim means against the person. Critizising the person making the arguement, without defeating the arguement itself. Now, granted i have called you guys lots of names, because its fun, but i have made points that you guys haven't dealt with. But, heres a non-ad homenim attack on 1 point in your arguement (which i think most of this website is based on):
"Many people hate muslims and Arabs because of their actions. Hating a debased culture is a rational act."
Well, i do agree that many people in the United States hate muslims. Your media is soaked in the bigotry. And, many people on this website hate muslims. again, i havent seen anyone come out and argue that i'm wrong about these points. Now, here is why i fundamentally disagree with you (greyfuckwad, this is a good thing for you to listen to, as well):
1)Muslims make up, what? like a good 3 billion people. I don't know that actual stat, but i'm sure someone here does and they will be more than happy to point it out to me.
2)Thats a fuck of a lot of people.
3)Supposing, there are people that have taken the religious ideas in the koran too far, in that they advocate and commit violence against innocent people, then they are wrong. Becuase: VIOLENCE AGAINST INNOCENT PEOPLE IS WRONG!
4)It is not all muslims who advocate or commit violence against innocent people. Try to prove that, i dare you. You can trumpet example after example of 'bad muslims' but you will never be able to prove that all muslims are violent and terrible people.
5)it is fallacious to assert that all muslims are violent and morally repugnent, because some are violent and morally repugnent.
6)Therefor, it is not rational to 'hate muslims and arabs, because of their actions.'. Because, it is not every muslim and arab that act that way. (which, by the way, is what your statement advocates).
This is the basic, basic arguement that can be used to discredit any bigoted arguements. Even, those against white, male americans, which i demonstrated on another chain. This would actually disprove many of the ranting and ravings in the 'south african letter', as well poke massive holes in Jeff's passionate but unfortunatly foolish arguement.
Also note: I have not even touched the history of the War on Terror, things like the supporting of the Taliban and Saddam Hussien in the 80's by the United States, the British atrocities around the turn of the century. Not to mention the whole debacle that is Isreal, and who said that colonialism is dead? Nor, have i gotten into why this history of oppression and distruction, by the west of all of those supposedly 'unjust third world countries'. that is stuff for another day, i've already written too much for you to think about for today.
PS
"Muslims are imperialistic warmongers who routinely: commit genocide, plunder their neighbors, murder their own daughters, wives and mothers, murder homosexuals, enslave others, saw off innocent people's heads on video night, fly planes into buildings, blow-up women, children and the elderly, shoot 4 year old children in front of their families, lie constantly and claim to be victims themselves."
you could just as easilly swap out muslim for American. Well, more specifically white, conservative american. I don't like condeming all white americans, because like i said before not all are like the bigots on this website.
Posted by: yermom at October 24, 2006 11:05 AM (6cnA/)
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 24, 2006 01:27 PM (Dd86v)
Posted by: Greyrooster at October 24, 2006 06:41 PM (zqSqi)
"Yermom would give Idi Amin as a leader more just than them terrible white folks in America. Sick commie."
probably a typo, but i prefer to think of it as last gasp at trying to defeat my political arguements.
Speaking of Last gasp, Larry your assertion that you too are a racist will not be forgoten.
but where is jeff? after his ass splat of a rant, he doesn't seem to want to deal with my rebuttle. i wonder why?
"Look at me, judge me by my size do you? Well, you should not. For my ally is the force, and a powerful ally it is." Yoda
Posted by: yermom at October 24, 2006 06:53 PM (6cnA/)
but i will do my best to not be angry anymore. see!
Posted by: greyrooster at October 24, 2006 07:52 PM (6cnA/)
Ihadyermom:
Improbulus maximus was right. It's a waste of time trying to reason with a moonbat. Moonbats don't believe what they see, they see what they believe. That's why you mental defectives are immune to the truth.
L. G. Larry is also right. You're obviously a kid, which is why I made the short bus comment. Just so you understand the reference, retards ride a special short bus here in America. In Britain, inbred retards sit on the throne, run Parliament, control the news media, and dominate popular entertainment. Most of you don't even know that you're retarded by American standards.
Your "basic, basic arguement (sic,) that can be used to discredit any bigoted arguements" (sic,) is sophomoric. It may work with your fellow 'tards, but it doesn't work on adults. You need to learn the difference between a generalization, and applying that generalization to every member of a group.
"Well, i (sic,)do agree that many people in the United States hate muslims. Your media is soaked in the bigotry." The American news media refers to islam as "the religion of peace," and bends over backwards to whitewash its atrocities. Moron.
"1)Muslims make up, what? like a good 3 billion people. I don't know that (sic,) actual stat, but I’m (sic,) sure someone here does and they will be more than happy to point it out to me."
Not even close, you ignoramus. The islamopithecines make up from 800 million to 1.2 billion people. Prior to 911, the best estimate was 800 million. That included the deliberately inflated figures provided by islamic countries. After 911 the figure shot up to 1 billion, and then to 1.2 billion in short order. Inshallah! It is a miracle! Actually, it's a bogus figure which still falls well short of your ridiculous 3 billion figure. There are only 6 billion people on the planet, tard. Christians outnumber islamopaths by a figure of more than two to one and growing. I would say get used to it, but you do live in Eurabia, after all. "Londonistan calling, to the islamic world!"
"2)Thats (sic,) a fuck of a lot of people."
Yes. Roughly 2 billion people who don't exist.
"3)Supposing, there are people that have taken the religious ideas in the koran too far, in that they advocate and commit violence against innocent people, then they are wrong. Becuase: (sic,) VIOLENCE AGAINST INNOCENT PEOPLE IS WRONG!"
You know even less about islam than you do about Christianity. The koran doesn't simply provide violent ideas, or advocate violence. It COMMANDS muslims to murder and enslave "infidels." The muslims who practice jihad are not wrong about their foul religion, they are devout. If you believe that violence against innocent people is wrong, stop cheerleading for islam, and stop smearing countries that protect innocent people.
"4)It is not all muslims who advocate or commit violence against innocent people. Try to prove that, i (sic,) dare you. You can trumpet example after example of 'bad muslims' but you will never be able to prove that all muslims are violent and terrible people."
Of course I can. Any "muslim" who refuses to obey the koran, the hadiths and the surahs is a heretic, and marked for death by islam. I could provide all the koranic passages that prove this, but what would be the point? Many of them have been around for 1300 years, and you've still managed to ignore them.
" 5)it is fallacious to assert that all muslims are violent and morally repugnent, (sic,) because some are violent and morally repugnent." (sic.)
Nobody on this thread made that assertion except you.
"6)Therefor, (sic,) it is not rational (sic,) to 'hate muslims and arabs, because of their actions.'. (sic.) Because, it is not every muslim and arab that act (sic,) that way. (which, by the way, is what your statement advocates)."
Of course it's rational to hate most muslims and Arabs for their vile actions. Very few "muslims" denounce terrorism. Again, try to learn the difference between statements made about groups, and those made about individuals. Not even a rabid fanatic like you hates all white conservative Americans, although you express hatred for them every time you post an ignorant comment. Do you hate the man who freed the slaves, Abraham Lincoln? Besides, any "muslim" who doesn't advocate jihad is a heretic and an apostate according to the koran, and therefore not a muslim at all.
"Also note: I have not even touched the history of the War on Terror, things like the supporting of the Taliban and Saddam Hussien (sic,) in the 80's by the United States, (sic,) the British atrocities around the turn of the century. Not to mention the whole debacle that is Isreal, (sic,) and who said that colonialism is dead? Nor, have i (sic,) gotten into why this history of oppression and distruction, (sic,) by the west (sic,) of all of (sic,) those supposedly 'unjust third world countries'. that is stuff for another day, I’ve (sic,) already written too much for you to think about for today."
The self-loathing left-wing indoctrination that passes for an education in Britain shows in your dogmatic statements. Providing negligible support to Hussein against Iran in the 80s (no WMD were given to him,) has nothing to do with the islamic subjugation of women. The left supported the Taliban, not the conservatives you detest. These are the same Taliban you leftist hypocrites cried over when President Bush overthrew them. The endless concessions Israel has made to the Psuedostinians and its Arab attackers is indeed a debacle. Who says colonialism is dead? Not the Arabs. They stole all of Northern Africa and the Near East from the previous inhabitants, and they are busy extending their Empire today in Africa, Europe, South East Asia, and everywhere else they can get a greasy claw-hold. European colonialism has nothing to do with the islamic subjugation of women. In any case, the only countries and areas in the Third World that aren't basket cases are former colonies like Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, India, the Caribbean, etc.
Claiming that White, conservative, Americans are guilty of the same crimes as muslims is pure nonsense. With statements like that, you cant be taken seriously. (Not that any of us ever did.) I'm not going to bother refuting your nonsense any longer. I'll just offer the brief ridicule you deserve. Try not to work so hard convincing everyone that leftists are morons.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at October 24, 2006 09:39 PM (bLPT+)
Posted by: Greyrooster at October 24, 2006 11:24 PM (zqSqi)
Claiming the left supported the Taliban is stupid. The Left wing in the United States has no money, or guns or power (and i don't consider the Dem's left-wing, because in any other country they are the right-wing. which makes the repbulicans, crazy.). Oh, but the United States Government does, and the Regean administration used said resources to help fund the Afghani war against the Russians, only they were called 'freedom fighters' then. your weird claim that the left wing supported the taliban doesn't make sense...
your refutation of the main point of the basic 'why racism is wrong' arguement doesn't make sense:
" 5)it is fallacious to assert that all muslims are violent and morally repugnent, (sic,) because some are violent and morally repugnent." (sic.)
Nobody on this thread made that assertion except you."
And, where are these endless 'consessions' made by isreal to the palastinians? Oh, did they only bulldoze 20 houses instead of 50? Or was it that they only killed 3 famallies instead of 10? The Iserali government is such a humane organization, it deserves my full support.....(oh, and if you want to know the real cause of the new war on Lebenon and new front against Palistine, check out around july 12 or so. There was an unprovoke military campaign by Isereal that shattered the tentative cease fire. The incident that enraged everyone, was a deliberate bombing of a famially of 9, the bombs missed 3 times. One survied. They were on a picnic by the sea and an isreali boat fired on them. Which lead to the kidnapping of an isreali soldier (a legitiamate military target) and the rest is history...)
what? huh? well, maybe i am the only one to make the point of logic that because some of a group do things, does not mean all of the group do said things. But, if your trying to claim that i am some how mistaking between all or some, your just wrong. Or if your trying to weasle your way out of your past bigotry, then you've proven yourself to be the coward that i have said you are.
But, back to your assertion that Arabs are 'expanding their empire' today doesn't make sense. How? Are they activaly invading countries, because i haven't heard anything about it. Are they dominating other countries through economics? They may have some oil money, but even Isreal is richer and better equiped then all the arab states around it. the only countries that are invading and using economics against other countries are......America, and Britian.
Face it, your logic is weak. Your knowledge of history is corrupted, and the only thing that you have over me is some knowledge about islamic texts. I'm sure there are texts in the koran that can be interpereted to promot violence against women and non-muslims. But, i'm also sure that you can find texts in the bible that mirror the ones from the koran, if you cared enough. Quite frankly i don't.
Religion is fucked. I don't advocate anything that controls people as much as religion. But, i also know that religion is all encompasing. 800 million (see i'm using your number) is still a FUCK OF A LOT OF PEOPLE. Its a number that neither of us can understand. To prove it to you, count to 800 million. Try it, and then come back and post.
the reality is, people are not their religion. People are people. and, to say that 800 million people should be eradicated is beyond wrong, its evil on the scale of God. So, you and your website friends can be dismissed as evil as in the fluid of the devil....
i have a life jeff, and i have friends, because i'm not a bigot. And, try to ridicule me all you want, you'll end up looking like a fool....again
(howie says spoof post No spoofing, you can have on ename or 20 but don't use taken handles alton)
Posted by: greyrooster at October 25, 2006 01:03 PM (6cnA/)
Oh! Can I please be issued a new fatwa!? My old one is wearing out!
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 25, 2006 07:41 PM (Dd86v)
Using another commentators screen name to discredit him is as weasely as it gets. Typical lefty.
Claiming that conservative America and Britain are responsible for all the atrocities of the last 200-300 years would be the stupidest statement ever written--if you had stopped there. No, just to make sure we all knew that you're an inbred cretin, you went on to make even stupider ones.
"North Korea and such" were created by China, you unmtigated ignoramus.
America and Britain aren't responsible for the savagery of Africans, Asians and muslims. They are responsible for providing the savages with the modern medicine and technology necessary to avoid the famine, pestilence, and disease that used to limit their numbers to a tiny fraction of their present population. They're still trying to kill themselves through savagery and stupidity, but that's not as easy as it used to be for them.
If America controls wog oil, why is gas so expensive, dimwit? Why are the oil exporting countries awash in illicit cash?
Look up the term "civil war" in the dictionary, retard. There is no war in Iraq, civil or otherwise.
Conservatives supported general Masoud of the Northern Alliance against the Soviets. He's the one who did all the fighting, while the Taliban hid out and claimed credit. Bildo Clinton withdrew support from Masoud and extended it to Al Qaeda and the Taliban. I guess you think Bildo is conservative. That must be why he also carpet bombed the Serbs in service of Al Qaeda and the Kosovar terrorists.
I guess George Soros is one of those dirt poor leftist fund raisers you're lecturing me about.
Only Western Europeans think the Dems are "right-wing." The rest of the world thinks Eurabia is crazy. Not even Canada is as bat-shit stupid as Eurabia. Even Eastern Europe sneers at the feckless Western half. Newsflash dildo: There isn't a single country in the Third World or the old Soviet Bloc that is remotely left-wing. Political correctness does not exist outside of the West, and only Eurabia has surrendered to it. More than 5 billion people are what you would call "right-wing."
Arabs are from the interior of the Arabian peninsula. Now muslims calling themselves Arabs are squatting on all of Northern Africa and the Near East. Except democratic and modern Israel, of course. Muslims are committing genocide in South Sudan and Nigeria. They are attempting to extend their foul sway ever Southward in Africa. They are Taking over Europe and attempting to take over the rest of the world. I would ask if you live in a cave, but Bin Loser (your hero,) lives in a cave, and he wouldn't argue with me about the worldwide jihad.
Only Western Europeans think the Dems are "right-wing." The rest of the world thinks Eurabia is crazy. Not even Canada is as bat-shit stupid as Eurabia. Even Eastern Europe sneers at the feckless Western half. Newsflash dildo: There isn't a single country in the Third World or the old Soviet Bloc that is remotely left-wing. Political correctness does not exist outside of the West, and only Eurabia has surrendered to it. More than 5 billion people are what you would call "right-wing."
There's nothing racist in noting the inferiority of islamic and Arab dystopias. Race isn't a synonym for religion, culture, or ethnicity.
The wogs have been trying to destroy Israel since the day it was formed. Psuedostinians have been rewarded for their terrorism with a state carved out of Israeli land and billions of dollars a moth in free welfare. Jews do not fly planes into buildings, saw off heads on video, murder young children in cold blood, murder their own daughters, mothers, wives and sisters, blow up pizza parlors, strap bombs to their own children, celebrate their children's death, molest camels, etc., etc., etc.
There is no such thing as a cease fire for terrorist organizations, retard. They never stop attacking--not ever. Hizb' alla doesn't have the right to exist, much less kidnap IDF soldiers, scumbag. The beach story is as fake as the Jenin "massacre" and the Reuters photoshop. Dumb-fuck.
Making accurately disparaging comments about wogs and other islamopithecines in general is not the same as applying a stereotype to every member of a group, imbecile. That pumping point you feel in your ass isn't logic.
Israel is neither richer nor better equipped (militarilly, I presume,) than the dune-coon countries around it. It's just more competent and its people are better
There is no moral equivalency between the Bible and the koran, you ponce little bigot. Only the koran commands its followers to murder, plunder, rape, and enslave the rest of the world. There is no effort on the part of Christianity to promote terrorism. Only islam.
The only thing I have over you is a functioning brain.
Leftism is fucked. I don't advocate anything that controls people as much as leftism. You secular regressive assholes are trying to control every aspect of our lives. Your failed Marxist bullshit is responsible for 150 to 200 million deaths in the last century, and the suffering of far more than that. No other movement in history even comes close.
The only religion that controls people is islam. No wonder you worship it. It wants to crush all opposition and enslave the masses just like your beloved socialism.
800 million is a joke compared to 5.2 billion. Hell, its a joke compared to the 2.2 billion non-existent muslims you claimed.
The reality is that muslims are their religion. Islam dictates every aspect of their lives, down to which direction they point their asses when they take a shit, and which bare hand they wipe their filthy asses with. Yes, the terrorist are arguably "people." MUSLIM PEOPLE, dip-shit.
If people are people, I guess Hitler and Stalin are the ethical equals of Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr. It cracks me up that socialists like Hitler and Stalin are despised by the left. You lickspittles espouse the same principles and practice the same tactics. You're all good socialists. Ghandi and King have been deified however, because they had dark skin.
I don't recall claiming that 800 million people should be eradicated. Islam should definitely be eradicated, and all terrorists need to be killed as soon as possible. It would be truly evil to let islam go on to kill billions of people--which it is actively trying to do, and has been for 1400 years.
"Fluid of the devil?" Is that what they call apple butter in formerly Great Britain?
Yes, geek. You have a life until your islamic "friends" slit your dhimmie throat.
With chavs like you representing Britains future, the country is doomed.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at October 26, 2006 06:45 AM (bLPT+)
Who is the low life idiot who posted comment # 17. Must be some stupid America hating asshole.
Posted by: Greyrooster at October 26, 2006 07:01 AM (zqSqi)
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 26, 2006 10:22 AM (Dd86v)
Wonder why Martin Luther King's FBI file is kept secret? Why? Because he was a friggin commie.
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October 16, 2006
Students found it difficult to understand Miss Azmi without seeing her lips move. With the exception of the classroom while teaching, Miss Azmi was otherwise permitted to wear her veil throughout the school.
Even though the Muslim Council of Britain disagrees with her, Miss Azmi is to plead her case against the school system before an employment tribunal "in a fortnight."
Heh.
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Posted by: Greyrooster at October 16, 2006 06:17 PM (xyiUv)
Posted by: Greg at October 16, 2006 06:38 PM (PnoGS)
TJR has been reduced to sensationalism tactics just like their counter-parts MSM and Fox in a frantic effort to entice intelligent life back to bolster there dwindling ranks. Not that TJR has not been warned that deleting and banning are detrimental to a blog's health. Just as the president is stubborn and insists on " staying the course " so the TJR has not heeded good advice and has descended the ladder and resorted to sensationalism in a pathetic attempt to lure intelligent life back. RIP
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 16, 2006 06:40 PM (Dd86v)
Were the students deaf or were they so used to the accent of Cockney whores?
Posted by: Greg at October 16, 2006 06:51 PM (PnoGS)
Come to think of it, if it had occurred anywhere but the West, "Muslim Teacher Axed" would have left no doubt either.
And of course, even in England it's getting hard to be sure.
Posted by: a4g at October 16, 2006 07:29 PM (JVQ/9)
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe
-Greg-
Posted by: SeeMonk at October 16, 2006 08:31 PM (n4VvM)
Good. Multi-cultarism is a social disease (particularly when it comes to islam).
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Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 18, 2006 05:09 PM (Dd86v)
October 09, 2006
Assist News:MUZAFFARABAD, PAKISTAN (ANS) -- In an horrific incident of Christian persecution on September 1, some unidentified militants slew two children of a missionary couple who is working with At Any Cost Jesus Mission, a underground ministry evangelizing to the Muslim nations.So the tolerant Taliban cut her breast off? Jesus wept.A press release sent via e-mail to ANS by Any Cost Jesus Mission said that the assailants torched the dead bodies of teenaged children Shalom, 15 and Sharon 14 after murdering them brutally in the northern district of Pakistan.
The teenaged victims according to the press release were secondary school students.
“Shalom and Sharon were kidnapped along with their missionary parents and two other younger sisters 10 days before the murder. The militants asked them to convert to Islam but they refused,†said the press release.
“So the militants killed Shalom first. Then they raped the girl and cut one of her breasts in front of her parents. She too diedâ€, the press release quoted another underground missionary, Habel who it said broke the news to Any Cost Jesus Mission from a hidden place....
...The press release said that the believers are living in a grip of fear and trouble following the killing of Shalom and Sharon.
The ministry further claimed in the press release that the militants are not allowing believers to pray.
“They are not even allowed to speak a single word about Christ or Christianity or Christiansâ€, the press release quoted Habel as saying.
The tribal people and their leaders are also being murdered by the terrorists in the Neelum Valley, it said.
If you have not seen the Taliban in action lately see this epsiode of Frontline, Part I and II.
Hat tip: Larwyn
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Posted by: n.a. palm at October 09, 2006 04:27 PM (jLW9/)
Cue piece of shit lefturd excuses in 5, 4, 3, 2...
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 09, 2006 05:48 PM (v3I+x)
and I already acknowledge the threat of Islamic facism. It's hard to
believe that humans could be so evil.
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Posted by: Howie at October 11, 2006 09:57 AM (D3+20)
From Reuters.com:
The foreign ministry said in a statement on Monday that footage of the cartoons was first posted on the video-sharing web site YouTube, which is not hosted in Denmark.Yeah, that's what it says. There could be some "negative reactions" from the followers of the religion of peace. Excuse me! It seems that all their reactions are negative ... uh, that is, except when infidels are murdered. Then, they rejoice."Danish television channels TV-2 and DR later aired extracts," it said. "The intention of airing the extracts was not to provoke Muslims but to illustrate the matter in an interview on DR with the chairman of the DPP Youth Organization, who distanced himself (from) the video clips."
The ministry issued a strong advisory to Danes against travel to the Gaza Strip and cautioned against travel to Israel and the West Bank, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Syria and Turkey.
"A militant group in Gaza has made threats against Danes in the Palestinian areas in connection with the (cartoon) matter on October 9," the advisory said. "We urge Danes to use caution as the matter could lead to negative reactions."
Haven't found a link to the video yet.
Update by Howie: Michelle is following the YouTube censorship story here today. conplete with an embed of Rocket Ride. Automatic link
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Here is the most recent I found.
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Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 10, 2006 12:52 AM (Dd86v)
Big White Infidel emails his new Youtube Video. It's very good. Warning there is one fairly graphic image so if you are under 18 no clicky.
Updated : Switched to newer version old version below the fold. more...
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Posted by: Howie at October 09, 2006 09:05 AM (YdcZ0)
Rotten mother#$%^$.
Religion of peace, my left foot!!!
Mary, Most Holy Mother of God,
Pray for your children that have recourse unto thee, especially our captured bretheren in Indonesia.
Amen
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Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 09, 2006 11:17 AM (8e/V4)
The tweaked version is running properly now on YouTube. Could you please switch over to it. Grazie!! Still waiting for the upload on Flurl. It won't get deleted from there. Stan's site will most probably get banned in Indonesia for this. Guess we'll need to make "Banned in Indonesia" corner banners. hahaha!! Maybe he'll get a fatwa from Bashir!!
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Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 09, 2006 06:45 PM (Dd86v)
A DEAD ONE!
That video proves it and as far as yoyo bambam goes, he's a piece of smoking pig crap.
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Posted by: Greyrooster at October 10, 2006 04:47 AM (xJ3Xm)
October 06, 2006
According to the lawsuit, Abdus Samad N. Haqq must wear the kufi to have taqwa, the consciousness of Allah, at all times. The kufi also demonstrates religious devotion during the five-a-day prayer sessions.
The Department of Corrections has opposed modifying prison uniform regulations for reasons of religious practice.
It's probably predictable that a win in this case by the NYCLU will lead to the ACLU filing suit to change the uniforms of the U.S. military.
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Posted by: Dieter at October 06, 2006 08:20 AM (a8LMH)
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Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 06, 2006 09:02 AM (8e/V4)
Once again it merely goes back to if no muslims lived here, we wouldn't have a problem.
Outlaw Islam.
Posted by: Greyrooster at October 06, 2006 10:19 AM (xJ3Xm)
Posted by: DWC at October 06, 2006 10:59 AM (OnQ6k)
Then no imposed dhimmitude by the NYCLU.
Posted by: Darleen at October 06, 2006 11:02 AM (cXz8w)
Posted by: Jim Beam at October 06, 2006 12:49 PM (+bu2j)
fear that something I say might offend his PC sensibilities, like he
did my comment about sexual harrassment in the Army.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 06, 2006 01:10 PM (v3I+x)
This is indeed a slippery slope! If we let a NY prison guard wear a Muslim hat while at work, it's only a matter of time before the liberal-packed Supreme Court issues a fatwa requiring all our soldiers to wear turbans and baggy Aladin pants with those silly curved slippers!
Next they'll outlaw the cross and the ten commandments, and after that we'll all have to worship Allah under threat of execution! This is a culture war people, and the courts are on the other side! Onward Christian soldiers! A Muslim is trying to wear a hat at work!
Posted by: Rhyleh at October 06, 2006 01:37 PM (Q+ifs)
Posted by: Rhyleh at October 06, 2006 01:39 PM (Q+ifs)
Posted by: Jim Beam at October 06, 2006 02:35 PM (+bu2j)
Worse though, is that it will lead to all the other guards wanting to wear all sorts of crazy symbols of "religious expression" like crosses, yamulkes, and temple garment underwear, which totally undermine the entire purpose of a uniform. The prison system would be in total chaos!
The government should never have to make reasonable accomodation for religious expression in the workplace - only ACLU fags are for that. Instead, we should purge the government of those who attempt to express their religion, especially if it's one we don't like.
Posted by: Rhyleh at October 06, 2006 03:37 PM (Q+ifs)
Posted by: Jim Beam at October 06, 2006 06:19 PM (+bu2j)
Posted by: Jim Beam at October 06, 2006 06:23 PM (+bu2j)
Posted by: Jim Beam at October 06, 2006 06:33 PM (+bu2j)
The SCOTUS has ruled that accomodations for religious practice in the workplace be "reasonable," meaning that there must be a compelling reason for not allowing the hat. Here, there is no compelling reason and the rule is essentially discriminatory in its application. The lack of compelling reason is exactly the point my reductio ad absurdum argument was directed towards. So what if the plaintiff is "changing the system?" He's within his rights, and the courts apparently found the rule unconstitutional.
Another Original Thougth for Jim Beam
I think offering to nail hats to people's heads evinces a juvenile and idiotic approach to the complexities of balancing civil liberties with effective public service. If this were a Jew trying to wear his Yamulke at work, I don't think you'd extend the same offer.
Posted by: Rhyleh at October 06, 2006 07:43 PM (Q+ifs)
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Posted by: Rhyleh at October 06, 2006 10:07 PM (Q+ifs)
Rhyleh, quit showing your stupidity. You sympathize with the Muslim wanting to practice his religion, but should a guard wear a cross in an effort to practice his religion, and a Muslim objected, there you would be argueing from the other side. Hell, you would argue with yourself. You come across as a hypocrite.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 07, 2006 12:19 AM (rUyw4)
There have been many news stories during the past years, of Christians not being allowed to wear a cross pin on their uniforms.
If they allow this guy to "Express his religion" by wearing the kufi, then all of the Christians ought to be taking their cross tie and lapel pins that have been forbidden!
ACLU? Where are you?
Posted by: Melissa In Texas at October 07, 2006 12:27 AM (bbxLM)
Posted by: Greyrooster at October 07, 2006 05:29 AM (xJ3Xm)
Oh, do be quiet, Ryleh, if the best your arguments get is putting your fingers in your ears and going 'lalalalala, I'm not listening.' Go away. Come back again when you've left school.
Posted by: Jim Beam at October 07, 2006 05:39 AM (+bu2j)
Posted by: sandpiper at October 07, 2006 02:22 PM (6rkkO)
"... but should a guard wear a cross in an
effort to practice his religion, and a Muslim objected, there you would
be argueing from the other side."
No, I would side with the Christian's right to wear a cross, or a Jewish person's right to wear a yamulke, or anyone else's right to wear whatever symbol of faith where, as here, it doesn't unduly interfere with their duties. Assuming what my position is and then arguing against your own imagination makes you look stupid, not me. Not that it has anything to do with what we're talking about.
The ACLU Supports the Rights of Christians
Contrary to what Melissa writes, the ACLU is dedicated to allowing Christians to express their views in public, even during their jobs as government employees. However, it is a mistake to believe that your rights include using taxpayer dollars to fund displays promoting your religion.
Sandpiper Doesn't Get It
"And these same ACLU biggots would sue a town that dares to upset
atheists wackos by displaying a nativity or TN COMANDMENTS frankly the
ACLU should be shut down"
The important distinction being that taxpayer dollars would be used in your example. You wouldn't want your tax dollars going to Islamic displays, would you? BTW, Atheists would consider you to be a wacko - do you think name calling is going to persuade anyone?
Jim Beam: Wins the Irony Award
Do you have anything to say that addresses what I've written? I think my posts are pretty responsive. Also, I have been out of law school for a while now. What level of education have you achieved?
Posted by: Rhyleh at October 09, 2006 01:48 AM (Q+ifs)
Your posts, in the main, have done little more than caricature other people. And, if you're that interested - BA(Hons), MSc.
Posted by: Jim Beam at October 09, 2006 03:45 AM (Kiq9g)
Posted by: Rhyleh at October 09, 2006 04:17 AM (Q+ifs)
Posted by: Jim Beam at October 09, 2006 08:24 AM (Kiq9g)
No, my point was that I believe in "anyone else's right to wear whatever symbol of faith where, as here, it doesn't unduly interfere with their duties." Duties obviously including wearing the uniform - I never argued that he should be able to get out of wearing the uniform.
Apparently all you can do is mischaracterize my arguments and then argue against yourself. It's pathetic.
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Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 10, 2006 12:06 PM (Dd86v)
October 03, 2006
From Local6.com:
Officials at a public school in Oregon are defending a seventh-grade social studies unit on Islam that included students dressing in traditional Islamic dress.School officials say that students have to understand the rise of Islam and the interaction with Europe. And yesterday, the good old trusty Supreme Court decided not to pursue the issue of Islamic indoctrination by passing on the opportunity to rule on a California case.Kendlee Garner of Nyssa told the Ontario Argus Observer that she objected to the amount of time dedicated to the unit on Islam -- four weeks -- as well as the wearing of religious garb and the lack of parental notification. She said her son told her about the activity, and when she objected, he got an alternate assignment in the library.
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Posted by: Stan the Infidel in Indonesia at October 04, 2006 01:01 AM (M7c3m)
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Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 04, 2006 09:09 AM (Dd86v)
in the Army, of which I have first-hand experience, and you, I presume,
have none? You have no moral authority to talk about hypocrisy in
others, but that won't stop you, because you'll just delete this post
too, no doubt. You're just the latest of the Jawa Nazi's who cry about
liberal hypocrisy while you're quick to censure those who don't tow the
PC line. Go ahead and delete this post, and prove me right.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 04, 2006 09:55 AM (v3I+x)
Posted by: greyrooster at October 04, 2006 10:35 AM (xJ3Xm)
I don't think teaching about Islam is necessarily a bad thing. But I think it would be wishful thinking to assume they are teaching the truth and not some moral equivalence (or moral superiority) bullpiss.
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Posted by: sandpiper at October 04, 2006 01:49 PM (9NBAS)
When I was in Freshmen year High School in 1973. Our entire Social Studies class re-enacted the Communist revolution in China, We spent a week wearing Blue T-Shirts and for that entire week, we were the "Blue Guard." We had the little "Blue Books" and turned in people for "anti party behavior" We addressed each other as Comrade.
The whole deal seems funny now but it was an eye opener back then. You really get a lesson in mob mentality and how the "masses can be whipped into a frenzy by some well place "organizers". There were lessons in this class that I can still appreciate today. It was a good object lesson in how "screwed up" the communist systems was and in some parts of the world, still is. i.e. North Korea. My social studies teachers were well traveled and brilliant individuals.
Incidentally, I attended a Catholic High School in New York.
Thanks
Patrick
Posted by: Patrick Scarry at October 04, 2006 02:22 PM (SZy+Y)
Good news. If that ciriculum plan didn't go through then you guys would be teaching them how to commit genocide! Nazi bastards!
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Posted by: jpe at October 04, 2006 07:59 PM (KMl8p)
I'll ask around.
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Posted by: Ray The Infidel at October 05, 2006 04:55 PM (h8yc3)
Onward Christian soldiers!
Posted by: Rhyleh at October 05, 2006 08:05 PM (Q+ifs)
Posted by: Greyrooster at October 05, 2006 10:57 PM (xJ3Xm)
CNN: BRINDISI, Italy (CNN) -- Passengers from a hijacked Turkish plane carrying 113 people are leaving the aircraft after the two unarmed Turks who hijacked the plane, protesting the pope's upcoming visit to Turkey, agreed to release them.The code name "Turks" stands for people like these. Most of the worst comments there were posted by turkeys from Turkey.Italy's transport minister announced the release on NTV, and the network reported that the passengers were disembarking from the plane.
Authorities have also said the two hijackers have indicated they were ready to surrender to authorities, but one of their demands was that a message be delivered to Pope Benedict XVI.
Update: I was wrong. It turns out these weren't Turkish Islamist these were Christians desparate to escape from Turkish Islamists. Specifically they feared persecution in the Turkish Army.
Turkish officials said one of the hijackers, identified as Hasan Ekinci, wrote a letter to the pope in August asking for help in avoiding service in the Turkish army.more..."I am a Christian and don't want to serve a Muslim army," he wrote, adding that he had been attending church since 1998.
The hijacking incident began Tuesday afternoon when the Turkish airliner departed Tirana, Albania, heading to Istanbul, Turkey. The hijackers entered the plane's cockpit over Greek airspace, officials said.
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October 02, 2006
Cut Off the Head of the Pig Who Says Our Religion "Exalts Violence and Hate" !
More Jihadists 'ready to go'.
Muslim vs Christian tension increasing in Indonesia.
Muslim leader upset over student's Christmas Carrolls.
Who is your God? Why are you saying Jesus and Jesus Christ? God is not your God - it is Allah.â€Funny thing is this is the guy the Brits have tapped to be a Government schools inspector. Heh, not funny.
Ayatollah Khomeini wanted nukes ot use against Iraq. more...
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