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December 16, 2006

Troops Respond To Slanderous Democrat Morons

Message to Dhimmicrats Charles Rangel and John F'ing Kerry - you're slander against the troops hasn't gone unnoticed. Jackasses. From Serviceman Arnold Dupuy:

I was working on my second M.A. when an opportunity arose to train Afghan soldiers. I jumped at the chance, as I wanted to make a contribution to the war effort and help the Afghan people. I dropped out of classes, left my wife and two young children, and with a team of exceptionally intelligent and dedicated men, trained several hundred Afghan artillery men. I have since resumed my studies and will finish next year. Other than being a parent, that experience has been one of the most satisfying of my life.
Furthermore, my brother completed three tours in Southeast Asia; my father fought the Japanese in Burma; and my grandfather served in Europe in both world wars. They were all highly intelligent, educated men who made the military a career not because they were losers, but because they loved this country.
Why is it so difficult for Kerry, Rangel and their ilk to understand that bright men and women will put on the uniform not out of desperation but out of love and devotion to their county?

Because they're a gaggle of insulated elitist dipsh*ts who hate the country and think we all should too.

There's much more at WSJ's Opinion Journal.

ht: LGF

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1 Why is it so difficult for Kerry, Rangel and their ilk to understand
that bright men and women will put on the uniform not out of
desperation but out of love and devotion to their county?

Because Liberals are internationalist "citizens of the world" whose loyalty is to "mankind". They aren't Americans. They very idea of patriotism evokes only self-superior snickers from them. The thought of doing something for love of country doesn't even register on their radars. They don't even know what America is.

Posted by: Jesuslad Carlos at December 16, 2006 11:50 AM (8e/V4)

2 They got "love of self" down pretty good, Carlos.
Pratchet's Disk World had "Yen Buddhists". We got "Yen Marxists".

Posted by: Phillep at December 16, 2006 12:31 PM (Sq5Wg)

3 It says it all, when this soldier desribes the Left with the "ilk" term. Thats what i use to insult them as a group of cowards and backstabbing assholes. Though i also like to call them by an old term that was a huge insult back in the time of the Vikings when describing someone who is less than nothing, beyond any notice at all- a nithing-that was the ultimate insult to call someone back than. Thats the Democrats/Liberals/Leftists/Progressives, whatever they call themselves from day to day. A bunch of nithings. I use it as it confuses them, these people who consider themselves superior in all ways. Yet they havent a clue.

Posted by: THANOS at December 16, 2006 01:04 PM (rJBMR)

4 The fact that your family has gone all around the world killing people whenever your government cant get along with someone elseâ€™s does not mean they are intelligent. It means they are gullible enough to swallow what ever their governments tell them.
Well you went to Afghanistan and taught Afghans how to kill each other better, you didnâ€™t teach them engineering, farming, reading or writing, you taught them how to kill each other. Like how Americans taught Bin Ladin how to kill when he was your friend. When the Afghans you taught ever stop being your friends, and use the skills you taught them against you. You would realise, if you were truly intelligent, you would have taught them engineering, farming, reading and writing instead of killing.

I havenâ€™t met any dumb people who didnâ€™t think they were intelligent. So carry on thinking about how clever you are while your politicians order you to war while they and their sons stay at home.

Posted by: Rabbi Clive Rosenberg at December 16, 2006 01:46 PM (Ypfpn)

5 Hey, Rosenberg. You ought to be thanking these men. My mother's family didn't have many left that survived the Nazi's. The ones that did were due to men who, 1941, were "gullible enough to swallow what ever their governments tell them."

Freedom isn't free, it's paid for by the blood of patriots.

Posted by: MCPO Airdale at December 16, 2006 03:18 PM (3nKvy)

6
Well you went to Afghanistan and taught Afghans how to kill each other better,

LOL. Yup, it was all roses and puppies before we "taught" the Afghans to kill each other. You put the Onion to shame.

Posted by: Jesuslad Carlos at December 16, 2006 03:37 PM (8e/V4)

What else do you expect from a party run by such eletists like TED KENNEDY and AL GORE who tend to think their members of royalty real blue bloods

Posted by: sandpiper at December 16, 2006 03:42 PM (S97cI)

8 shorter rabbi: patriotism is "dumb."

Posted by: Jesuslad Carlos at December 16, 2006 03:42 PM (8e/V4)

9 Maggots like Race Hustlin' Rangel and Ketchup Kerry seem like the lowest form of American life imaginable, but they aren't. The assholes who keep voting for them are.

Rangel has spent his career fomenting race and class warfare for his own benifit. Kerry has been betraying his country to its enemies in every conflict since the Vietnam War. The voters know this.

What kind of person could vote for people like that? What kind of person could hate the military that defends this country and its ideals?

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 16, 2006 04:49 PM (bLPT+)

10 Clive:

How old are you? 13? If you're too obtuse to see the neccessity of a standing military--especially in a factional country like Afghanistan--you're beneath debate. Your comment about politicians was equally moronic.

Insulting those who serve in the military is contemptible. Smearing America as a warmongering bully for becoming involved in necessary conflicts over the years is not the best way to impress people with your cleverness. Quite the opposite. It only betrays your envious bigotry and national inferiority complex.

The teachers who indoctrinated you into believing Americans are bloodthirsty killers traveling the world looking for innocent people to pick fights with are the reason Britain has the lowest standardized student test scores outside of the islamic world.

You did your teachers proud today, boy.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 16, 2006 05:21 PM (bLPT+)

11 Daym, the Rabbi is nearly as full of propaganda as Bob. You two clowns brothers?

Posted by: THANOS at December 16, 2006 05:58 PM (rJBMR)

12 Rabbi Rosenberg: You're a phoney and you stink like puddledick.

Posted by: Greyrooster at December 16, 2006 08:19 PM (95kFq)

13 I can see it now. Some Afghan guy runs up to a US serviceman and says Al Queda and the Taliban just killed my entire family. Will you teach me how to grow beans?

Friggin idiot.

Posted by: Greyrooster at December 16, 2006 08:24 PM (95kFq)

14 The 'Rabbi' above probably went off and believed whatever the other Rabbi's told him. Things like that the world is only a few thousands of years old? Life on earth didn't eveolve, maybe? Some guy parted the sea for some slaves who were escaping?

Not intending to slam Jews, or Christians but just to make a point. We place a level of value and trust into those who teach and lead us. Some times they say things that sound crazy, but that shouldn't automatically require us to doubt the main value of what they tell us.

If we lived in the way you seem to suggest, we would mindlessly doubt the very people we trust with all social responsabilities. Then when a cop pulls us over, we should cast doubt against them. Should I shoot him? He's approaching me with a gun on his hip, and how do I trust him?

A doctor says we have cancer, and we should cast doubt upon their word. A teacher corrects our spelling, but maybe they had an ulterior motive? Your wife says she was only out shopping, but what did she write those checks for? A Rabbi says we are gullible, but should we trust him?

Thanks for helping me out here ...

USA, all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at December 17, 2006 11:11 PM (2OHpj)

15 When was it that America decided it needed to be an empire in order to survive?

Posted by: civilbehavior at December 18, 2006 09:26 AM (AYJPk)

16 Snivel Behaviour:

If America is an Empire, you should be able to name all the vassal states that pay taxes to us.

Dumb-fuck.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 18, 2006 08:34 PM (bLPT+)

17 P.S., Niall Fergusson is a lying, moonbat moron.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 19, 2006 02:00 AM (bLPT+)

MCPO

Well, the Nazis were gullible enough to swallow lies, and you and your family have swallowed the same lies.

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel: Samuel Johnson

If you had any true justification for what you did, you wouldnâ€™t have fallen back on patriotism, that is all the Nazis had to fall back on, and youâ€™re not much different.

The Nazis Targeted Jews and you target Muslims.

Nazis had Jews in their Army, we called them Capo, and they treated us worse than the Christian Nazis.

America has Afghan and Iraqi traitors fighting for them, the Muslims can call them what ever they want, but I bet they behave worse than the Americans.

Because the Nazi taught the Capo to behave worse than the Christian Nazis, So the Americans are teaching their Iraqi and Afghan puppets to behave worse than the Americans.

Jesuslad Carlos

Yes you taught them to fight and kill, you killed a bunch of people, and a bunch of you were killed.

But what was it all for?

Were you trying to turn it in to â€œall roses and puppiesâ€, or were you trying to destroy what little they had?

The Afghans and Iraqis seem to think you were trying to destroy what little they had, because thatâ€™s exactly what you did.

Sandpipe:

shorter rabbi: patriotism is "dumb."

Yes, Patriotism is dumb, patriots are dumber. They are a people who use the slogan of Patriotism to justify what they know is evil.

Jeff

Yes this is what I believe about America, and more. Your nation has money to wage unending wars all over the world but is in capable to feed, house and educate its poor.

On top of your war mongering and whore mongering nature I would add hypocrisy.

I am considerably older than 13 so my memory stretches past the last 13 years to a time when Saddam was your nationâ€™s best Arab friend. To a time when he was gassing Kurds and your nation was selling him more gas so he could gas them some more.

The poor members of your society fight wars where only rich men profit. And when they get home, what do they have to show for it?

Health care is not free and neither is University education.

So fight, kill, die and go to hell, while the sons of rich men enjoy themselves in expensive universities.

Greyrooster

So what would the people whose family members were killed by Americans use these weapons and training for? You kill people and their families will come and kill you.

And the cycle will continue.

And you are right, I believe that the sea was parted and I believe in all else within religion that you disbelieve in. Paradise has a price, and thatâ€™s the price. Eternal hell also has a price, and your disbelief and warmongering nature is the price.

Posted by: Rabbi Clive Rosenberg at December 21, 2006 04:24 PM (By6L9)

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December 12, 2006

VDH : "Losing the Enlightenment"

Sadly, even today, few in the West "get it."

Happily, Victor Davis Hanson is one of them:

By past definitions of relative power, al-Qaeda and its epigones were weak and could not defeat the West militarily. But their genius was knowing of our own self-loathing, of our inability to determine their evil from our good, of our mistaken belief that Islamists were confused about, rather than intent to destroy, the West, and most of all, of our own terror that we might lose, if even for a brief moment, the enjoyment of our good life to defeat the terrorists. In learning what the Islamists are, many of us, and for the first time, are also learning what we are not. And in fighting these fascists, we are to learn whether our freedom can prove stronger than their suicide belts and improvised explosive devices.
So we have been given a reprieve of sorts with this war, to regroup; and, in our enemies, to see our own past failings and present challenges; and to rediscover our strengths and remember our origins. We can relearn that we are not fighting for George Bush or Wal-Mart alone, but also for the very notion of the Enlightenment--and, yes, in the Christian sense for the good souls of those among us who have forgotten all that as they censor cartoons and compare American soldiers to Nazis.

Read the rest here.

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December 10, 2006

David Duke To Lead Hollocaust Denying Delegation to Iran

KKK whackjob David Duke will lead a team of US Holocaust deniers to Iran's "summit" on Holocaust denial/revisionism, culminating in a keynote speech in Tehran. It should turn out to be kind of like a Truther convention, but without the black-shirt legions of penniless teenagers who have nothing better to do on a Saturday. Senator KKK Byrd (D) could not be reached for comment, although he was reported to be "open to a new direction in Holocaust research."

And Keith Olbermann wept. Not.

The ISG has indicated that we should be conceding, grovelling and having a dialogue with these Iranian anti-Semitic pieces of human debris. I say we listen without hesitance, because the lamestream media says we should.

ht: Gateway Pundit

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1 Question: With David Duke so public about going to Ahmadinejadapalooza what happens when he returns?

Answer: He gets to increase his speaking fees when by any reasonable reading of the law he should be arrested and shipped off to Guantanamo to await trial for treason.

We are at war. Iran, as a state sponsor of terrorism, is the enemy. By going to this conference David Duke is giving aid and comfort to the enemy. He is a traitor. He is choosing to be an enemy of the United States people and their Constitution. An enemy - domestic.

For the love of whatever you hold holy, please, Congress, please take appropriate action! If not then you are all traitors to your oath of office.

Posted by: GI Joe at December 10, 2006 05:42 PM (0euLV)

2 That's a thought, GI Joe. We interned American Nazis during WWII, so why not terrorist-loving Klansmen today? Besides, if David Duke were making license plates then he would finally, for the first time in his entire life, be doing something useful.

Posted by: pst314 at December 10, 2006 08:12 PM (lCxSZ)

3 I'm sure Duke will enjoy Iran. It's devoid of blacks, and Jews are kept in ghettos like zoo animals. Sounds like KKK Heaven, except for the whole islamic thing.

Sounds like a good time to bomb Iran's nuclear weapons facilities.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 10, 2006 08:40 PM (bLPT+)

4 I just banned my Duke-quoting troll, who tells me about how respected "Dr." Duke is in Russia and the rest of Europe -- and how he is America's best hope "for preserving white culture".

But then again, this was the same asshat who told me that jihadis are "soldiers of Christ" when they kill Jews and those who support them.

Posted by: Rhymes With Right at December 11, 2006 06:39 AM (xG90E)

5 Hey, just a thought: a move that could unite the left and right in this country -- invalidate Duke's passport while he's in Tehran jerking off Amadmaninajacket.

Posted by: Jaibones at December 11, 2006 10:26 AM (jBbRM)

6 Big surprise there! (sarc)

Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at December 11, 2006 04:23 PM (vixLB)

7 Now Now... If we really want to stop the spread of Islam we need to do three things:

1. Blow up Mecca and the Kabah
2. Blow up Medina
3. Blow up the dome of the rock mosque

Islam would not last more than one generation after that. The muslims would no longer be able to complete the five pillars of faith. All they would have left would be to die in jihad to make it to "paradise". Blowing them up would also show that allah is not as powerful as they think he is.

Posted by: Jerub-baal at December 11, 2006 09:51 PM (76vVh)

8 If one groupd fails to listen another will. The problem with David Duke is that he has many, many more followers than we choose to believe. He wants and needs attention. We won't give it to him so he goes somewhere else. If the news media didn't give Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson media attention I have no doubt they would be seeking it from the commies or Islamics. Remember, we have black muslims but no white muslims. Who is the biggest danger in the war on terrorism? Knee jerk reactions often miss the real danger. David Duke offers no danger to America. Do the black muslims? The muslim community? Clerics calling for Jihad in mosques on American soil? How the KKK draws more attention than organizations that wish to bring down America is beyond me.

Posted by: Greyrooster at December 12, 2006 08:09 AM (ezJiI)

9 346 people killed in New Orleans since Katrina. Last weekend 5 cops shot. Not one victim from KKK violence. Yet! meatheads continue to ignore the real danger to American cities.

Posted by: Greyrooster at December 12, 2006 08:13 AM (ezJiI)

10 One of the reasons I don't care for Holocaust Revisionists / deniers and I'm not gonna speak for everyone else just myself. Not cause their facts are wrong, their methods are wrong or cause they make such grand fools of themselves. The fact is what leads them to deny the Holocaust is antisemitic and the agenda they wish to serve with their denial is neo-nazism. Either they dislike Jews or they want to apologise for the nazis. It is also very likely they are using the Holocaust as a means to cover up their guilt.

Posted by: Rachel at December 14, 2006 07:47 PM (J9Yj5)

11 MORE CHUTZPAH!!

Victim Theory

White Supremacists and Islamists knowing very little what it is like to truly be victims are envious of what they perceive to be the worlds gifts to the Jewish People. Already hating Jews they burn red (or green) with envy! But they are only looking through one end of the pipe. But there are two ends. Being simple minded they yearn for this precious "victimhood". They attempt to create their own
holocausts while demeaning, diminishing or eliminating the historical reasons for Jewish victimhood! I say "be careful..you might get what you wish for!"

Kreplach***

Posted by: Rachel at December 14, 2006 07:50 PM (J9Yj5)

12 Why do revisionists / deniers care about the Holocaust or even Israel, Jews, Zionism, etc? They don't except for a promotional tool for fame and fortune.

Did six million really die? What difference does it make one way or the other except to stir up more drama and publicity. Is ONE life less precious then all who did die, put togeher? I don't think so!!!

How dare they or any one speak ILL of the dead.

Posted by: Rachel at December 14, 2006 07:54 PM (J9Yj5)

13 It was more like 50 - 60 million total that died during WWII, with a rough estimate of 6 million Jews dying in the gas chambers, etc. I have been to Auschwitz (in 1996) and I have been in the gas chambers and have seen the ovens, yes Rachel, it is real, it did happen. The 20th century has thus far been the bloodiest in all history of mankind. America cannot fight a religion; we fight terrorists, nations, etc. that attack us. When our military kills a muslim or attacks a muslim country, the other muslims interpret that as an attack against Islam, which then allows them to declare jihad against us. Islam hates us because we stand with Israel, and they hate Israel because of the Lord Jesus Christ. Islam is a tool of satan to oppose Israel. If satan can destroy Israel, then the word of God (the Bible) will fall to the ground. Without Israel, Bible prophecy will not come to pass. If one word of prophecy does not come to pass, then satan has won. Israel was the womb of the Messiah, hence Hamen, Herod, and Hitler. Because Israel rejected Jesus as Messiah, they have brought all this trouble on themselves. The Bible tells us that Israel will be made a "cup of trembling in the hands of all nations" (Zechariah 12.2). And so it is today. But we need to remember the prophecy from the Lord giving to Abraham in Genesis 12.3 saying "I will bless them that bless thee and cuse them tha curse thee". As long as we stand with Israel, we will make it. Islam claims to have Abraham as their father, but their father is satan. I wonder, if allah is so great, why don't the muslims attack everyone and defeat them? It is intresting to study the koran and the hadith to find that allah did not command mohammed to attack until he (mohammed) was strong enough to defeat others, whereas the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob called the children of Israel to fight peoples that were much greater and mightier than them, the Lord God defeating them completly. No, allah is not a god to be feared by any one, because he is a god of man's own making. I encourage every one to study the making and evolution of Islam, I think you will all be surprised. Hamen, Herod, and Hitler were not able to wipe the Jews off the map, and neither will Islam, Iran or Duke or anyone else for that matter. The anti-christ will make his debut to bring peace in the middle east, and he will come close to destroying Israel, but will not succeed; the second coming of Christ will stop him. Whose side will you be on?

Posted by: Jerub-baal at December 15, 2006 02:42 PM (XTbnr)

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December 06, 2006

Prof. Kenneth Stein Resigns from Carter Center over Carter's New Book

Full story at PowerLine:

Professor [Kenneth] Stein was in fact the first director of the Carter Center (1983-1986).
Professor Stein is apparently terminating his association with the Carter Center, solely as a result of Carter's new book, Palestine: Peace, Not Apartheid. The reaction of Professor Stein -- a formerly close associate and collaborator of Carter -- to Carter's new book is, as our reader thought it would be, of great interest to us.

The article quotes the letter in full, including the following money shot:

President Carter's book on the Middle East, a title too inflammatory to even print, is not based on unvarnished analyses; it is replete with factual errors, copied materials not cited, superficialities, glaring omissions, and simply invented segments. Aside from the one-sided nature of the book, meant to provoke, there are recollections cited from meetings where I was the third person in the room, and my notes of those meetings show little similarity to points claimed in the book. Being a former President does not give one a unique privilege to invent information or to unpack it with cuts, deftly slanted to provide a particular outlook. Having little access to Arabic and Hebrew sources, I believe, clearly handicapped his understanding and analyses of how history has unfolded over the last decade. Falsehoods, if repeated often enough become meta-truths, and they then can become the erroneous baseline for shaping and reinforcing attitudes and for policy-making. The history and interpretation of the Arab-Israeli conflict is already drowning in half-truths, suppositions, and self-serving myths; more are not necessary. In due course, I shall detail these points and reflect on their origins.

C'mon, Kenneth, why don't you tell us how ya really feel?

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1 Carter should be shot for the traitor he is.

Posted by: Bill Bradford at December 06, 2006 06:08 PM (DCZ7U)

2 The C-Span caller who identified Carter as an anti-Semite, liar, and failure was being too kind.

Carter has done more to harm America now that he's out of office than he did while he was in office--and he did plenty.

This asshole could teach Bill Clinton a thing or two about being shameless. He is an unpaid whore for America's enemies, domestic and foreign. Old age is taking too long to kill him. Where's that good old pancreatic cancer?

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at December 06, 2006 07:14 PM (bLPT+)

3 Carter seems rather European for a southerner.

Posted by: NorthernCross at December 06, 2006 07:30 PM (gUvu0)

4 He's "history's greatest monster"

Posted by: wooga at December 06, 2006 08:27 PM (t9sT5)

5 "The history and interpretation of the Arab-Israeli conflict is drowning in half-truths...In due course, I shall detail these points and reflect on their origins."

...Now that's a promise to look forward to! Impressed by K. Stein's principled letter which so accurately and succinctly characterizes the flaws of Carter's book, which I read, I look forward to his promised details--hopefully a book?

Posted by: Nathaniel at December 06, 2006 08:43 PM (iKM6r)

6 Carter called out as a common moonbat by one of his own.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 06, 2006 09:43 PM (8e/V4)

7 "Carter seems rather European for a southerner."

He fancies himself a "blueblood member of the democratic elite" class, to real southerners he's just an idiot who won't shutup.

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9 Great post Ragnar!!!

I still say as long as he sticks to building houses, Carter is OK.

As a politician, he gives Benedict Arnold a run for his money. Some have said he should be shot. I suggest a trial, and then appropriate sentencing. Maybe he could get 20 years building more houses

USA all the way!

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December 02, 2006

A Blueprint for Beating Islamofascism

I've often compared our war with Islamism (political Islam) to that of fighting Communism. It's a long term effort which must be fought both ideologically and militarilly.

Perhaps the biggest obstacle to fighting this war is lack of open discussion about the teachings of Mohammed. I have always blamed Karl Marx for the evils of communism, and while many on the Left continue to apologize for Marx, there was never any concerted effort to silence his critics. Blame Mohammed for the evils of Islamism, and you are labelled a bigot.

Of course, it is precisely because Muhammed was a religious philosopher that we get into trouble. Americans are naturally tolerant of religious diversity. Or, at least, that is the way in which we like to think of ourselves. It's a goal and a value we cherish, if we do not always practice perfectly. Good for us for the effort.

But what most Americans do not realize is that Islam is every bit as much a political system as it is a religious one.

So, how do we win this Cold War with Islamism? Jack Wheeler & Steve Baldwin have some suggestions. They are calling their movement, the 9/10 Group. WND:

* investigate radical mosques
* support anti-Islamofascist freedom fighters
* thwart attempts to impose Sharia law
* form an anti-Islamofascist publishing network
* create an anti-Islamofascist portal on the Internet
* establish an anti-Islamofascist speakers bureau
* wage an ideological assault on Islamofascism
* support efforts to evangelize Muslims in Europe and the Middle East
* create a global anti-Islamofascist coalition
* reframe the illegal immigration issue as one of national security
* end dependence on foreign oil that's funding the Islamofascists.

Seems to me Robert Spencer has pretty much been trying to do organize such a movement---with some success-- for some time now. I'm not sure I agree with all these points. I'm especially not fond of the "support efforts to evangelize Muslims" proposition. Evangelize them to what?

Like I have always said, I'm not really worried about the eternal salvation of Muslims--that is, not any more worried than the eternal salvation of any other group. In fact, as a Christian universalist, I'm closer to them on matters of how God judges people than I am to most evangelical Protestants. I'm more worried about what people do than what they believe.

Belief does lead to action, but there is nothing in the teachings of Islam about day-to-day behavior that particularly worries me. What does worry me are the teachings of Islam about the organization of the state.

But the exact same was true of Marx and Communism. Marx's ideas on the organization of family and personal life really was not worrying. I've never met a Marxist who I wasn't willing to hang out with at a baseball game or who I wouldn't have a problem being my neighbor. It is Marx's political and economic views that are not only troubling, but which are at the core of so much bloodshed and oppression.

The individual Marxist and the individual Muslim are not a problem. They are only problems when they wield political power.

Another thing that worries me about Islam is that whenever there is war between Muslims and non-Muslims, Muslims--even in the West--are predisposed to taking sides based solely on religious identity. And if ones religious identity trumps national identity, then you have a major problem in the making for the idea of the secular state.

The same thing worried me about Marxists. In any given Communist insurgency, they were predisposed to side with the Communists. Or, at the very least, urge non-intervention and letting those states "sort it out for themselves". No such urging for the Soviets, though. Sound familiar?

In any event, keep an eye on the 9/10 group. Their blog is here. Their forum is here. Hopefully, we will see good things. And, Wheeler and Baldwin are right:

Without the anti-Communist movement, it's likely we would still be in the midst of the Cold War today. Wise men and women rose up to the challenge and created a movement that was very much opposed by the existing political and media establishment. But we won. Then we all went to sleep.

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1 "The individual Marxist and the individual Muslim are not problems." -- Dr. Lusty Shariaford

The individual Muslim IS the problem. Because individual Muslims get together in packs and become monsters lusting for blood and gore while destroying civil society.

The lone suicide bomber, among others with a taste for death, acts as an individual Muslim.

Posted by: Speaking for the Choir at December 02, 2006 01:00 PM (HSkSw)

2 There is no such thing as a lone suicide bomber. He is part of a cell of political activists. We call these cells "terrorist organizations". The key word being, organization.

Further, even the lone nut terrorist isn't killing people so that they will live up to the sharia requirement for shaving your balls. He does it because he believes such an act will lead to POLITICAL goals.

Posted by: Rusty at December 02, 2006 02:42 PM (JQjhA)

3 Although the lone suicide bomber may have found support among a cell, he still acts as an individual Muslim. He did not bring a cell with him when he joins a cell, and he does not take the cell with him when he blows himself up.

Khaleid Sheikh Mohammed found support in Al Qaeda, but his actions as an individual, specifically the dull knife beheading of Daniel Pearl, are some of his most heinous.

I said individual Muslims come together to form ravenous and blood-thirsty packs, but this does not mean the individual Muslim (single person) is not a threat.

Now if by individual Muslim, you mean Joe-Five-Prayers, who lives a quiet life in the burbs and has a family, well then I suggest you reread history and the life stories of more than one 9/11 or 7/7 terrorist.

Stop your wishy-washy, beating around the bush apologetics for the individual Islamist. Contrary to your PC thinking, Islam is a threat to humanity.

Posted by: Speaking for the Choir at December 02, 2006 03:52 PM (HSkSw)

4 Quote from Speaking to the chior:
"
I said individual Muslims come together to form ravenous and blood-thirsty packs, but this does not mean the individual Muslim (single person) is not a threat.
"

WTF!!

Christians have killed just as many over the ages than Muslims,

Just remember it was a blood thirsty CHRISTIAN who started the Iraq War! not Muslim!

Posted by: sol at December 02, 2006 07:24 PM (fuinW)

5 Sol: You are incorrect. The war started shortly after July 1990 when Saddam Hussein threatened to attack Kuwait for violating oil production quotas. So you are probably right, the war really was about oil. But it was a Caligulan dictator who used Islam as a political tool, Saddam Hussein, who started the war. The current fighting is really part of the same war that started in 1990. There never was a peace treaty, and Iraqi and Coalition forces were firing on each other, ostensibly over the no-fly zones after the cease-fire in 1990, every day for 13 years. Please clear your head of liberal theology and face reality and actual history.

Posted by: Speaking for the Choir at December 02, 2006 07:42 PM (HSkSw)

6 sorry, ceasefire was in 1991

Posted by: Speaking for the Choir at December 02, 2006 07:48 PM (HSkSw)

7 Speaking to the choir:

The Current Action on Iraq is NO WAY realated to the Invasion of Kuwait.

The point in which the Offensive of Kuwait stopped and the invasion of Iraq began was then the US and Allies failed to help the Kurds in their attempted Coup!

That point defined the region.

Not to mention that the West put him in power, at first, to control the region and it looks like they may have to put another dictiator in Iraq to stop the attacks on the population.

So what was the point of the current invasion?

Posted by: sol at December 02, 2006 07:49 PM (fuinW)

8 Sol has been doing his required reading at Kos !
He deserves a sticker !

Posted by: Speaking for the Choir at December 02, 2006 07:55 PM (HSkSw)

9 Speaking for the Choir has been doing no reading.

This current immoral war was for something but it's purpose has changed so much I really do not know what the US is doing there. From reading your post you do not know either.

Posted by: Frank Booth at December 02, 2006 08:05 PM (rIWvK)

Speaking to the chior!

I've never been to KOS

I'm more of a newshound kinds guy!!

But i'll take in to account you isolated situation...

Posted by: sol at December 02, 2006 08:16 PM (fuinW)

11 sol, you really dont know why Bush Sr. stopped when he did? You right away had to throw in the coup remark as the typical Lefty retort.

Bush Sr. had to stop short of an invasion of Iraq because the UN made sure that the coalitions mission was to defeat the Iraqi forces in Kuwait and eject those Iraqi forces from Kuwait. Nothing more. The good ole UN made sure that Saddam stayed in power to be a pest for another 13 years while he murdered more of his fellow Mulsim civilians. And to Frank, tell me, what is a moral war supposed to be like? And is that the only kind of war that Leftys will support, especially if someone else besides the USA is doing it?

Posted by: THANOS at December 02, 2006 08:54 PM (4UFiH)

12 Yes Thanos

the US and the UK had to stop when they got Iraq out of Kuwait, that was thepoint. so the action was ended!

Speakingto the chior said that thois was related to the current situation in Iraq which it was not!

The point is that the US and the UK after the invasion of Kuwait said to the Kurds that they "WOULD SUPPORT THEM IN A COUP"!! when they left Kuwait.

Guess what!!

they didn't! Guess who paid for that, not us!

Posted by: sol at December 02, 2006 09:06 PM (fuinW)

13 I have come to the conclusion that Islam is a totalitarian movement disguised as a religion.

Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at December 02, 2006 09:08 PM (az74v)

14 sol - exactly which one of us told which kurd we "WOULD SUPPORT THEM IN A COUP".

were the no fly zones I helped patrol NOT support?

your buddy saddam is going to hang by his neck and shit himself because he didn't follow the very simple UN resolutions he agreed to follow. his 2 dipshit sons are decaying corpses because their daddy's ego trumped his common sense.

nothing immoral with muzzies killing each other - just business as usual...

Posted by: Max Power at December 02, 2006 10:27 PM (PM8kH)

15 Choir
Individual Muslims are not necessarily bad people, or anti west. I know of examples where Sharia would be the last thing they would want. They benefit from, and enjoy our culture, and want it to stay the way it is.

Sol
George Bush Sr didn't invade Kuwait. He can't honestly be described as bloodthirsty, and I voted against him so I;'m not a big fan of his. My advice is to make more acurate statements. Discredit him with truth, not hysterical bigotry.

For example, he couldn't keep his 'no new taxes' promise, and all that talk about a new world order in concert with depending to much on the UN made him look bad to me. Those can be factually supported, and are framed as my opinion in any case.

I would not say Karl Marx was a bloodthirsty Atheist. It is an equally poor attack. It would be better to say that Marx neglected the relationship between ownership, and a desire to produce, when describing his idea of social economic improvement.

Frank Booth
No offense, but there is no such thing as a moral war where only the very bad get hurt. There are wars you win, and wars you lose. There are times when war is better than 'not war' which some people call peace.

There are times when 'not war' is more evil than war, and we are forced to see it that way. Sometimes war later is more evil, than war right away, because the war later is a bigger war due to the waiting.

Usually people who claim a war is immoral, or illegal, or unjust, are not very friendly to the party forced to initiate or continue that war. There is a political bias.

The American Civil War was deemed unjust by many Americans at the time, and it was still fought. The spread of slavery was still thwarted, and nearly a million war related deaths were inflicted upon American citizens.

Was it a moral war? Was it worth it to stop the westward spread of slavery? What else could Amrerica have done?

Anyway, you can all come back at me now

USA all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at December 02, 2006 10:33 PM (2OHpj)

16 Forgive my spelling, I'm not fast on the keyboard, and making fun of that isn't a substantial attck, but a persoanl one

USA all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at December 02, 2006 10:36 PM (2OHpj)

17 I think the subject of this post was a blueprint beating islamofacism. I think the best way is to set a better example than the muslims. We have to look in the mirror and see the example we give to the youth of the middleeast. The picture young people get when they compare the west to islamic countries. My take:

(1) The war means really little. These people have been fighting for hundreds of years. If they weren't fighting us, they would be fighting each other.

(2) Religious side. A muslim cleric is an ugly sucker who says you can mistreat your sister. All little boys like to torture their sisters. The muslim cleric says making war in the name of Allah is Okay. Exciting huh! Kids love guns and war games. Muslim clerics say eat well and don't become a fatso. Kids love to make fun of fat kids. See any over weight muslim kids? Muslim clerics homsexuality is bad. Know any kids who thinks its good?

We on the other hand offer movies with disgusting language, homsexuality, drug dealers and plots against our (corrupt politicians). We offer McDonalds and Coke which will kill you after obesity sets in. We say you must be nice to your sister and according to American newspapers Catholic priests only wish to play with their peepees. Example: Todays news. Los Angeles Archdiocese agrees to pay $60,000,000 to 45 kids that were abused by priests.

(3) Muslims have a history of worshiping their leaders. They are respectful and bow to them. (Overly so) but that's their way. We on the other hand have Islamocrats that refer to our President as a moron and murderer. It must be true if Americans are saying it. Right!

Neither the enemy or the liberal newsmedia will show anything good about American. Only the bad makes news.

To win. We must either set better examples or blow them up. There is no other way. We hand them candy and the cleric reminds them it will rot your teeth. The west is not going to change. So, I believe we are going to war. I don't believe the invasion of Iraq is a real war. Think WW2.

Posted by: Greyrooster at December 03, 2006 08:55 AM (5vGBy)

18 Oh yea: Forgot to say the Archdiocese of Los Angeles has more than 500 more suits to settle concerning phedophile priests. Putting that with the east coast phedophile priest the bill should be in neighborhood of a billion dollars. Think of that when you put your donation in the kitty. Little kids the world get to read this shit and then say American, nay.

Posted by: Greyrooster at December 03, 2006 10:08 AM (5vGBy)

19 "There are times when war is better than 'not war' which some people call peace. "

So Michael Weaver why do you hate Jesus? After all Jesus was one of the people who prefered the peace and love thing.

Jesus Christ! The world's first Hippy.

On your point about War

Iraq was NOT a war to stop terrorism it was a power grab for oil and revenge by power hungry neocons. Many who are now blaming others for this fiasco. It was started based on lies and modeled after the Millennium Project. A 2 billion dollar war game were the enemy was not allowed to participate in the game. Look it up.

Wars of choice are wrong and those that support it knowingly like you will fail. Ask the Romans or Napoleon or Hitler or both of the crusades or countless others stupid power hungry leaders through out history. Thatâ€™s just the way of the universe.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1653454,00.html

story is orginally posted in the American Jewish weekly hardly are left wing news source

Posted by: Frank Booth at December 03, 2006 12:17 PM (rIWvK)

20 "story is orginally posted in the American Jewish weekly hardly are left wing news source"

You're joking - right????????

Posted by: Max Power at December 03, 2006 12:34 PM (PM8kH)

21 Care to expain Max?

Posted by: Frank Booth at December 03, 2006 02:37 PM (rIWvK)

22 Another "Front" for the war is Demographic (see Mark Steyn book and articles). So I propose a rallying cry:
FOUR KIDS FOR AMERICA!
All Red-Staters should have 4 kids minimum.
    2 - to replace themselves
    1 - to replace a blue stater who is not reproducing enough
    1 - for America!
Yes, you may have to sacrifice a little more, and retire a little later because of the cost of educating these kids... SO?

When you see a soldier, you walk up and thank them, don't you? Next time you see parents with 4+ kids, walk up and thank them for doing more than their share to raise the next generation of Americans.

In support of the front-line troops in the demographic war (parents), we need other Red State Americans (RSAs) to help take back our schools. Retired RSAs and stay-at-home mom RSAs who's kids have all entered school age should consider getting certified and becoming teachers to take back the schools from the America Haters. Disabled Vets, and retired Vets should also consider this as a continuation of their service to country. Teaching is a profession that is compatible with disability.
It won't do a lot of good to have more kids and still abdicate their education to the America Haters.

Please feel free to copy or paraphrase this post on your own sites, and claim it as your own.

Telmah

Posted by: Telmah at December 03, 2006 02:53 PM (WYNeG)

23 How to destroy islamofascism? Simple - kill all muslims and their
treasonous lefturd supporters. Can't be done you say? Why not? Just
because one lacks the guts to do something doesn't mean it can't be
done; it just wants someone with the balls to do the job.

Soon, the war will be in our streets, and once appeasement and even
surrender have been tried ad nauseum to no avail, the sheep, (that's
most of you), will be bleating out for something to be done, and
the only workable solution will be extermination.

Want world peace? Of 130 conflicts in the world today, 129 involve
muslims. The answer to the question is staring us in the face, but our
culture and society are degraded and cowardly, and we shirk from the
sight of blood, and so the only solution that will work will be the
last to be tried. Until we exterminate muslims and their lefturd
allies, there will be only more war and death in the world, not less.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 03, 2006 03:55 PM (v3I+x)

anything "jewish-american" is left wing frank

Ask fred baron if you don't believe me.

http://www.aim.org/aim_column/A1773_0_3_0_C/

http://www.overlawyered.com/archives/001208.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Baron

http://www.txsharkblog.com/2006/07/is_fred_baron_crusading_for_jo.html

Posted by: Max Power at December 03, 2006 06:18 PM (PM8kH)

Muslims will not stop until they are stopped. The west needs to teach them a lesson never to be forgotten. A simple lesson that says (see what you made uis do). From now on you may not threaten us, kidnap us, kill us or any other of your Islamic bullshit. If you do we will come back and teach you another lesson. What is the difference between us destroying Germany and Japan with our bombs and destroying a islamic country? Personally, I know the Germans and Japanese are far more civilized people. Why spare the ragheads when they are as much a threat to world peace as any country in the past.

Posted by: Greyrooster at December 03, 2006 06:19 PM (rir45)

26 Communist USSR kept the Muslims in check, using secret police, fear, torture, camps (gulags) : the whole iron fisted worked, until 1991 there abouts with the fragmenting of the place. So since then we got the GENIE OUT THE BOTTLE, so to speak. Maybe communism in Russia is too blame for what's happening now. In the Soviet Union Muslims made up a lot of the population, kept in place,...note Iraq was doing the same under Saddam, now we have shia vs shite's ,kurds etc, fighting everyone in Iraq. DEMOCRACY is Bush's impossible dream, as it does not work with the Muslims there. Shia Law and thats it!

Posted by: brianpacman at December 04, 2006 05:28 AM (ZC3y5)

27 Marx's writings on political and economic matters were a study of capitalism. Most people have not taken into context the time and language (German) of what we meant. Because Marx was difficult to read( trying getting through Das Capital vl1 and explain surplus value etc.) Whew!
Lenin saw how to exploit this to his ends. Stalin used other crap, and so does everyone else from Australia to Iceland. All different and all confusing.
Do not blame Marx, but the Marxists and loony interpreters of it for evil purposes.

Posted by: brianpacman at December 04, 2006 05:37 AM (ZC3y5)

28 I will agree with one thing. Both myself and president George Bush have learned that your statement (Democratcy doesn't work with muslims, Shia law and that's it) is so true. But what now?

Posted by: Greyrooster at December 04, 2006 05:57 AM (qWbYR)

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Airplane Imam Teaching Jihad in Prisons?

Remember those imams who were removed from a US Airways flight? And the PC crowd cried discrimination?

Pop quiz cowboy. True or false:

"c) Jihad is a crucial aspect and responsibility of the Islamic State."

Just one question from a test that Ahmad Tafish Shqeirat, one of the imams, gives to his prison students. The very fact that he speaks of an "Islamic State" should be enough to disqualify him from working in our prisons. The last thing we need are more jihadis with a predisposition to crime.

Dan Riehl has more.

UPDATE: Via Michelle Malkin this from the bosses at Pajama Media:

Another passenger, not the note writer, was an Arabic speaker sitting near two of the imams in the planeâ€™s tail. That passenger pulled a flight attendant aside, and in a whisper, translated what the men were saying. They were invoking â€œbin Ladenâ€ and condemning America for â€œkilling Saddam,â€ according to police reports. ...
Tucked away in the police report is this little gem: one of the imams had complained to a passenger that some nations did not follow shariah law and his job in Bakersfield, Calif. was a cover for â€œrepresenting Muslims here in the U.S.â€

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November 25, 2006

More Sharia on Campus

How to take over the campus "chapel" for Islam:

Step 1 : Have the Christian chapel converted to an "interfaith" chapel
Step 2 : Remove the cross.
Step 3 : Fill the "interfaith" chapel with Islamic decorations.
Step 4 : Permanently book the "interfaith" chapel for Muslim prayers.

There you go. A simple, four-step plan.

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1 How to remove "Islam" from the Campus Chapel.
1. Get a clue.
2. Get a club.
3. Inflict some sharia ass whooping on some heathen goat molesters and their Religion of Amputation.

4. Sleep like a baby at night.

Posted by: Noel at November 25, 2006 10:33 AM (waD/w)

2 Ragnar,
Swarming is one of Muslims favourite tactics. They do this wherever they go, campuses, Wikipedia, etc etc.

Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at November 25, 2006 12:26 PM (EdIIN)

3 I've noticed that.

In Gaza, they appear to be drawn to flaming cars.

Posted by: The All-Seeing Pirate Ragnar at November 25, 2006 12:32 PM (T35Yx)

4 How often was the chapel used for Christian services? How many used it for private prayer? My guess is that it was empty, save for a single poor;y attended Sunday service.

Posted by: garrett at November 25, 2006 12:32 PM (6Hyks)

5 Remove the cross from a state tax supported building ?
The end times are upon us !! But rapture is near !!

Posted by: John Ryan at November 25, 2006 12:41 PM (TcoRJ)

Bulldoze it.

Posted by: Speaking for the Choir at November 25, 2006 01:10 PM (HSkSw)

7 How often was the chapel used for Christian services? How many used it
for private prayer? My guess is that it was empty, save for a single
poor;y attended Sunday service.

Well see...if you attempted to educate yourself rather then guessing you might have a clue. Read it..

"But the chapel is also used frequently for college events that are
secular in nature -- and should be open to students and staff of all
beliefs."

"A variety of religious groups on campus have said they have felt
uncomfortable trying to use the multifaith room. Eric Da Silva,
president of the Catholic Student Association, says the group looked
into using the room for mass but was told by RSU front desk staff that
the room was â€œpermanently bookedâ€ by Muslim students."

Posted by: Randman at November 25, 2006 01:22 PM (Sal3J)

8 Notice how when it was a christian chapel it was still open for use by all others. When the cross came down however, and the islamic crescent went up, all that went out the door. LOL. Dhimmis get what they deserve.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 25, 2006 02:13 PM (8e/V4)

9 Remove a cross or ten comandments tablet froma public area becuase it violates the so called seperation of church and state but replace it with a quetzalcoatyle and say itsa work of art what a load of bull kaka from the liberal idiots

Posted by: sandpiper at November 25, 2006 03:56 PM (A2P9P)

10 Sounds like something puddlefuckhead would do.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 25, 2006 07:40 PM (VMUjK)

11 Old technique. Hitler had the swastika accompany the Christian cross in churches at first, but then later crosses were totally replaced by swastikas--photos and documentaries show floor to ceiling banners of swastikas throughout churches, over marriage ceremonies, baptisms, etc.

Posted by: OrdeB at November 26, 2006 01:26 AM (iKM6r)

12 "John Ryan" mocks having a cross in a "state tax supported building," but has no problem with the islamopithecines seizing the building for themselves and decorating it like a camel stable.

Typical left-wing asshole. No argument at all, just hatred for Christianity, his country and it's culture. He probably didn't even notice that this case of jihad is taking place in Toronto. (Toronto isn't a muslim city, little Johnnie.)

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 26, 2006 03:46 PM (bLPT+)

13
Remove the cross from a state tax supported building ? The end times are upon us !!

Umm hmm. I'm sure that's the real issue here. Talk about Leftbot programming and talking points.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 26, 2006 05:04 PM (8e/V4)

14 I'm sure they're some of Rusty's "peaceful" muslims who only kill women and children at the utmost need.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 27, 2006 07:57 AM (v3I+x)

15 http://www.stazzz.net/shemales.php shemales pictures

Posted by: shemales pictures at November 27, 2006 06:47 PM (yTZjP)

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November 24, 2006

Dershowitz on Carter's New Book

Charles suggests that everyone read the review at the Huffington Post, if for no other reason than to experience the full measure of vitriol the leftists visit on their own heretics.

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November 21, 2006

Shall We Cede the Campus?

It seems that barely a week goes by that I don't read a story about censorship of a conservative or pro-American speaker or writer through one of a number of mechanisms. Michelle and Charles have been doing excellent work highlighting the truth about what cesspools of anti-American nastiniess our university campuses have become. Conservative and pro-American speakers routinely have their campus speaking events cancelled or restricted by university administrators. Campus events that aren't cancelled by administration officials are stopped by physical action or bomb threats. In the broader context, many conservative writers live and work under death threats. Though university campuses have become ideal environments for making good on such threats, the universities often refuse to cooperate with adequate security measures.

MORE BELOW THE FOLD more...

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1 Violence against students will not be effective. From a moral standpoint they are mostly just brainwashed children anyway.

I've been inside a politicized classroom a semester or two myself. Students trust what they are told because it comes from a teacher, and it creates an emotion. Reason is unemotive.

Any action taken should cause the University system a financial loss. I will neither recommend or endorse vandalism, because we all know that is illegal, and conspiracy is a crime.

Some kind of discrimination suit might be useful. Lobbying with politicians to cut funds for biased colleges sounds good as well.

I suppose theoretically it will come to pass that property belonging to faculty, or the university itself will get damaged. Especially if these uncontrolled student outbeaks continue. When this sort of crap starts to cost money, it will be stopped. It would be tragic wouldn't it?

I can't imagine sending any kid of mine to a modern university. But ...

What about trying to start a rival university system? That's a lot of money, but there are a lot of rich people who would like something to put their names on, and especially if its good for their taxes.

USA all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at November 21, 2006 03:44 PM (2OHpj)

2 We must kill them. We must incinerate them. Pig after pig. Cow after cow. Village after village. Army after army. - Colonel Kurtz

Posted by: odrady at November 21, 2006 03:45 PM (FPlB1)

3 Why is my post first, when I showed up late?

USA all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at November 21, 2006 03:45 PM (2OHpj)

4 Its time to cut off all funding to these universities that continue to discriminate against conservatives and make those little snots get off their fat lazy butts and get a job

Posted by: sandpiper at November 21, 2006 03:56 PM (XGDTE)

5 Sandpiper - That's a great idea. Any ideas how to make that happen?

Posted by: Ragnar, the All-Seeing Pirate at November 21, 2006 04:07 PM (GIm8D)

6 Stalinism lives.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 21, 2006 05:22 PM (8e/V4)

7 Colonel Kurtz

It's funny how Liberals will cite claptrap made in Hollywood as if it's some kind of authoritive source. Newflash-- most of the crap about Vietnam that comes out of liberal Hollywood never happenned. It's Leftwing propaganda.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 21, 2006 05:29 PM (8e/V4)

8 The kids are being bad again !!
The lefty proffessors are brainwashing them !
It's that rap music: make it stop !!
Trying to make universities conservative would be like.... trying to make the armed forces liberal.
So yeah.... cede it

Posted by: John Ryan at November 21, 2006 05:29 PM (TcoRJ)

9
Trying to make universities conservative would be like.... trying to make the armed forces liberal.

Nah. Conservatives send more of their kids to college than Liberals do (it takes us years to repair the damage). Yet the same cannot be said of Liberals sending their kids to the military. So why should we cede it.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 21, 2006 05:35 PM (8e/V4)

10 Michael -

First, I don't know why your post showed up first. I just you're just cooler than the rest of us.

Second, I agree with you that violence would be counterproductive. But what about a peaceful sit-in at a university speech by a virulently anti-semitic jihadi? Would that be counterproductive?

As to "vandalism," I'm opposed on principle to the destruction and permanent defacement of property. That said, I've seen university administrators denounce the posting of fliers and banners in "unauthorized places" as "vendalism." That's just stupid and silly, and it waters down the meaning of the word. SMASHING a window is one thing. TAPING an "unauthorized" FLIER to a window is a completely different thing. Only one of these can reasonably be called "vandalism" as that word is normally used.

Posted by: The All-Seeing Pirate Ragnar at November 21, 2006 05:40 PM (c/4ax)

11 "I'm sure the jihadis would dearly love to have a photo of a white male college Republican punching an Arab kid."
Where do I sign up?

Posted by: Jack's Smirking Revenge at November 21, 2006 06:15 PM (DlfZ3)

12 And yet this is otay!

Posted by: TBinSTL at November 21, 2006 06:19 PM (MSiPb)

13 You poor little victims! Those big, bad, mean, liberals, are picking on you again! It is amazing what ridiculous sissies the radical right-wingers are!

You peed -- and worse -- your diapers when your Boy George uttered the word "terror". Now, you are incontinent at best when confronted with how wrong you were to believe the Boy King.

America finally decided to take out the trash on November 7, 2006. Suck it up! You are now officially the minority that is against democracy and the ideals that made this country great. You are traitors to democratic principles and to the very foundations of this great country that is the U.S.A.

Get that? YOU are the traitors. YOU are anti-American. YOU are the ones who are disdaining, defacing, and humiliating, our troops. You are directly responsible for the thousands of men and women who are coming back from your lovely war of choice minus a few limbs, and/or horrible burns on their bodies, and/or PTSD syndrom.

Meanwhile, you pathetic slimebags, are watching television, and cheering on the carnage. None of you, miserable scumbags, would have the nerve to get within a mile of a recruiting office.

Posted by: Devil's Advocate at November 21, 2006 08:49 PM (N4ELk)

14 Sounds like DA has PMS again. Wipe the spittle from your chin terrorist lover.

Posted by: Randman at November 21, 2006 11:40 PM (Sal3J)

15 Can you feel the love???

I knew you could...

The Devil's hiring criteria for Advocates have clearly taken a nose-dive. I tell ya, the old man's losing it...

So, was there an actual POINT you wanted to make, "Advocate," or did you just misplace your meds again?

Posted by: The All-Seeing Pirate Ragnar at November 21, 2006 11:41 PM (brTRV)

16 Ragnar.

Peaceful sit in ...
Check, I could go for that.

I cannot endorse real vandalism either.

Ever read 'the Poor Man's James Bond' or 'The Anarchists Cookbook'? I think they were banned a few years ago. I think that sort of information is still available in campus culture.

Giving up the universities is like giving up Iraq to terrorists. We need to find a winning tactic.

As long as peaceful methods will work, I support them. My community leans to the right (even if Tester won) so it may be easier to reach out here.

Posted by: Michael Weaver at November 21, 2006 11:42 PM (2OHpj)

17
Get that? YOU are the traitors. YOU are anti-American.

ROFLMAO!

It irks you Libs to no end when we call you anti-American because in your hearts you know it's true. It's called touching a nerve.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 22, 2006 12:42 AM (8e/V4)

18 I think that you are getting a little confused.

College students aren't becoming more anti-American, but are becoming more anti-conservative, which IS pro-American.

When no one wants to hear your message, take it somewhere where they will listen.

Even President Moron knows better than that.

"Stalinism lives.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos "

...and is being directed from the White House.

"Trying to make universities conservative would be like.... trying to make the armed forces liberal.

Nah. Conservatives send more of their kids to college than Liberals do (it takes us years to repair the damage). Yet the same cannot be said of Liberals sending their kids to the military. So why should we cede it.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos "

Conservatives should be sending their kids to conservative colleges, where they can learn their parents' conservative values like how to hate America and Americans and how to manipulate the system for their own personal gain, and fuck every body else.

Then they wouldn't have to undo all of that liberal brainwashing.

"That said, I've seen university administrators denounce the posting of fliers and banners in "unauthorized places" as "vendalism." That's just stupid and silly, and it waters down the meaning of the word. SMASHING a window is one thing. TAPING an "unauthorized" FLIER to a window is a completely different thing. Only one of these can reasonably be called "vandalism" as that word is normally used.
Posted by: The All-Seeing Pirate Ragnar at November 21, 2006 05:40 PM"

Glad you feel that way.

We can all come to your house an post fliers and banners, all over the outside of your house and yard.

After all, no one has the right to be able to set any rules for what any other person do on private property.

That would be just "stupid and silly", wouldn't it?

"Sounds like DA has PMS again. Wipe the spittle from your chin terrorist lover.
Posted by: Randman "

Thanks for the, predictable sour grapes. You never disappoint.

Remember that President Moron likes terrorists, even more than the rest of you conservatives.

If he doesn't love them, then why did he create so many of them?

"So, was there an actual POINT you wanted to make, "Advocate," or did you just misplace your meds again?
Posted by: The All-Seeing Pirate Ragnar "

Damn! Blind Pirate. You missed the point, again?

No wonder you lost the election.

You just don't get it, do you?

"Giving up the universities is like giving up Iraq to terrorists. We need to find a winning tactic.

As long as peaceful methods will work, I support them. My community leans to the right (even if Tester won) so it may be easier to reach out here.
Posted by: Michael Weaver "

Just get President Moron to declare that all liberal college students are "enemy combatants" and replace them with conservatives.

It can be done, in the country we are becoming under Republican rule.

Fortunately, the Republican rein of terror is coming to an end, in January.

Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 22, 2006 04:29 AM (cbfpu)

19 "Ever read 'the Poor Man's James Bond' or 'The Anarchists Cookbook'? I think they were banned a few years ago.
Posted by: Michael Weaver"

You conservatives really do dream of a Stalinist country don't you, where books can be banned?

You will also have to cancel the bookburning bonfire, as the Democrats begin to return control of America to the American people.

FYI -

From Amazon books -
The Anarchist Cookbook (Paperback)
by William Powell
Price: $19.77

Or did you mean

Recipes for Disaster: An Anarchist Cookbook (Paperback)
by Crimethinc
Price: $10.17

also available from Amazon books -

The Poor Man's James Bond (#C-065) (Paperback)
by Kurt Saxon
Price: $39.95

The books that you are most likely to see "banned" would be those that are critical of conservatism, such as -

"Dead Right : The End of the Conservativism of Hope and the Rise of the Conservativism of Fear (Paperback)
by David Frum (Author)

Availability: THIS TITLE IS CURRENTLY NOT AVAILABLE.

Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 22, 2006 04:49 AM (cbfpu)

20 PuddleDuck,

These people are not conservative. In fact, there are very few real conservatives left in the GOP. You know, the ones who believe in fiscal responsibility and no governmental intrusion into people's lives? The current crop of Republicans -- and their supporters -- are authoritarians.

This crowd is radically right-wing. They want dictatorship. They have no clue what democracy means. They were whining before the elections, but now that the party of President Cretin and Vice President Psycho has lost, they are even more paranoid.

Posted by: Devil's Advocate at November 22, 2006 06:41 AM (Hg20K)

21 Puddleduck: Perhaps it is unavailable since no one wants to publish it or the limited printing is out of stock or even better to your delight it is sold out! Please research on how books are published it is quite interesting and yes I am being nice.

Posted by: DAT at November 22, 2006 07:16 AM (HYYQD)

22 Piddle,

Huckleberry Finn -- banned by Liberals for "racial insensitivity."

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 22, 2006 07:32 AM (8e/V4)

23 I notice you don't mention ingraham and malkins little camp follower who was sending out white powder to perceived spokespeople of the left thru the mail...isn't that cute and fun since it is done on by your ilk!

Also you don't back up any of your claims...not a single fact or citation just "poor me...white men are being oppressed"

Posted by: madmatt at November 22, 2006 08:55 AM (J8hqn)

24 I've just started reading this blog and have added it to my favorites.

It's too bad that the comments section is ruined by a few venom spraying, bouncing-off-the-walls liberals. Why don't conservative blogs ban more people the way liberal blogs do?

Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at November 22, 2006 09:49 AM (OzZVc)

25 Devil's Advocate,

I'm not sure what you're trying to do here... but that much truth told to the uninitiated just looks like crazy-talk. I'm actually on your side and agree with some of what you said... but I'm a liberal, and I understand the underpinnings of what you are saying. Most here do not.

You need to try to adjust their eyes before shining that much light into them.

Also, the nastiness does you no good. Just calling people sissies and cowards, etc... does not help. They have legitimate dissagreements that don't have to be reduced to cowardice (though probably are due to a fundamental lack of understanding regarding the principles of modern western elightenment, IMHO).

Posted by: ME at November 22, 2006 09:55 AM (ZhBBw)

26 Conservative minds seem incapable of holding two dissimilar thoughts at the same time.

Being critical of aspects of American policy past and present is not necessarily Anti-American.

There is no black and white, only shades of gray.

It should not be US against the world. The world is one large community. Whatever you do to the least of my brothers (or sisters) that you do unto me.

Until you internalize these truths you will continue to be a Republican.

Posted by: tommo at November 22, 2006 09:59 AM (kmaBF)

27 Adolfo,
Yes, liberals are routinely insulted, called liars, and ultimately banned from many right wing blogs. It is to this one's credit that it allows comments at all (most of the big conservative blogs, malkin, et al allow no comments at all.

As for banned books, I think you'll find more copies of the anarchist cookbook in skinhead and survivalist club houses than college campuses.
There actually are several strictly conservative colleges about (doing the college search thing as we speak with son who is a senior). You will find, they have a definite religious/evangelical posture so I hope that's OK with you. I mean god is with us after all, says so right on the belt buckle. (Obscure reference, sorry, but it seemed to fit with the theme of the posters who wish to take over American higher education).

If you want colleges to toe the party line, you really are talking about Stalinism in its finest hour. Google "lysenkoism" to learn more about why diversity and independant thought in education is a good thing.

Posted by: jeff at November 22, 2006 10:06 AM (z/Bt9)

28 We ceded the campus thirty years ago.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 22, 2006 10:09 AM (I+yOi)

29
There is no black and white, only shades of gray.

You mean everything is essentially one color and the same (equivalent).

Makes "black and white" seem downright nuanced.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 22, 2006 11:30 AM (8e/V4)

30 MuddledDuck sez:

"We can all come to your house an post fliers and banners, all over the outside of your house and yard.

After all, no one has the right to be able to set any rules for what any other person do on private property."

Dude, no one even needs to go to law school to know what a stupid argument that is.

Then again, lefties have always had a problem understanding the distinction between "public" and "private."

I don't throw epithets around much, PuddleDuck, but you're an unmitigated idiot.

"Fortunately, the Republican rein of terror is coming to an end, in January."

See point above (and go buy a dictionary, while you're at it.)

"The books that you are most likely to see "banned" would be those that are critical of conservatism, such as -

"Dead Right : The End of the Conservativism of Hope and the Rise of the Conservativism of Fear (Paperback)
by David Frum (Author)"

Did I mention you're an unmitigated idiot? Do you even know why citing a 1995 book by David Frum to support your point is stupid? No, you don't--and that's just further evidence of you being an unmitigated idiot.

Devil's Assmonkey Sez:

These people are not conservative. In fact, there are very few real conservatives left in the GOP. You know, the ones who believe in fiscal responsibility and no governmental intrusion into people's lives? The current crop of Republicans -- and their supporters -- are authoritarians.

This crowd is radically right-wing. They want dictatorship. They have no clue what democracy means. They were whining before the elections, but now that the party of President Cretin and Vice President Psycho has lost, they are even more paranoid.

Nothing like painting entire groups of people with a broad brush, DA. Is that how you do your thinking? Have you actually READ any of my posts, for example? Clearly, you haven't if you think I even come close to fitting that stereotype. I don't know any writer here who fits that stereotype. Rusty (the Boss) is a libertarian. Next time, do at least a little research before you run your fingers.

madmatt:

I notice you don't mention ingraham and malkins little camp follower who was sending out white powder to perceived spokespeople of the left thru the mail...isn't that cute and fun since it is done on by your ilk!

Our ilk? How do you figure? Every conservative I've heard mention it would like nothing better than to lock that nutjob up and throw away the key.

If he'd been spewing lefty BS, he'd have gotten an award and full-time representation by Ramsey Clark.

Also you don't back up any of your claims...not a single fact or citation just "poor me...white men are being oppressed"

Nice strawman, but I never claimed it was "white men" being oppressed. I stated that an entire class of viewpoints was being suppressed on the college campus. That should concern people of all ideological backgrounds. But, I suppose as long as the lefties get to speak, they don't care about anyone else's rights. At least you're honest about it, I suppose.

Posted by: Ragnar, the All-Seeing Pirate at November 22, 2006 11:33 AM (TWOZ0)

31 It's funny really. I read every word you wrote. But everywhere you used one of your descriptions of the right-wing, I replaced it with something like "fascists" or "authoritarians", or even "corrupt Republican criminals and traitors". And everywhere you used a pejorative to describe the left-wing, I replaced that with something like, "thinking voters" or oppressed taxpayers", or even "hardworking Americans who need a paycheck to survive day to day".

And, when I did that, the result was an excellent description of the Bush Administration - a coterie of spoiled brats, anti-intellectual thugs, corporate criminals and war profiteers - and their assault to destroy the Constitution of this Great Republic.

Posted by: fiskhus jim at November 22, 2006 12:13 PM (V7aQ1)

32 The point of a liberal arts education (I'm pretty sure most of these so-called "conservative" kids aren't getting a PhD at a state college) is to expose kids to viewpoints different from what they've experienced at home and at high school. It's not the liberals' fault if the logically impaired thinking of what passes for conservative thought these days is easily replaced by a liberal ideology based on what a professor says. That's like a cultist complaining that their kid doesn't want to be a part of cult anymore because they talked to a skater punk at the local 7-11!

Additionally, I'm not sure of where you went to college, but at the many colleges I've attended, very rarely are professors put up on such pedestals - there are even lists of "whose classes to avoid" (usually circulated by upperclassmen) due to idiocy, bad grading formats, horrible lecturing styles, etc.

Posted by: JT at November 22, 2006 01:13 PM (HJ32c)

33 I see the usual liberal circle-jerkers are out in force today. Guess Olbermann gave them their marching orders.

Speech codes, supression of opposing viewpoints are just a couple of the usual liberal methods to squelch dissent on college campuses. Heaven forbid students be presented with opposing viewpoints and allowed to make up their own minds.

For a group of people who supposedly champion "freedom" and consider themselves "intelligent," they certainly come across, as one poster so eloquently put it, as unmitigated idiots. I'd go further than that, however. They're intellectual fascists who can't handle a world in which not everyone thinks exactly the way they do. Intelligent? Hardly. Idiotic pansies is much more fitting.

Posted by: Todd at November 22, 2006 01:20 PM (iLTU+)

34 Well, spurious examples of bias against conservatives notwithstanding (like anonymous swastikas and anti-Semitic scrawls on bathroom walls ) I think the answer to your question "Shall we cede the campus?" has already been answered. You ceded it when you considered violence as an answer to rhetoric. You ceded the campus when people like poster Todd became the voice of the Conservative movement. Everyone who disagrees with him is an "idiot" or "intellectual fascist" or, better yet, a "pansie". When the only tool you have is name calling I think pretty much you throw logic to the the wind and cede the argument by default.

If you want to name-call you have Fox News or Limbaugh or LGF or the Wall Street Journal or Malkin or Powerline or any manner of endless right-wing outlets (like this blog) that dominate our media and attempt to suppress dissent by shouting and screaming or threating violence. It's their job and function.

However if you want to express you ideas in a civilized and orderly manner politely and with respect for alternative points of view that is what University is for.

If you otherwise, well I have no sympathy for you and your ideas are naturally suspect as a result.

Posted by: joe at November 22, 2006 01:49 PM (IU63r)

35 Whatever, joe. If you think I'm the "voice" of the conservative movement, well, you just showed your own ignorance. Conservatives, by and large, are just as bad as liberals. However, the topic at hand is college campuses and any logical thinking person can see the bias present. Liberals LOVE to toss around the word fascist at any and every opportunity, all the while ignoring their own "fascist" tendencies, particularly when it comes to the freedom of expression on college campuses.

It's people like you, joe, who stereotype others without knowing the facts, that are a big problem in this country today. You speak of "politely expressing your viewpoints in a calm and civilized manner," yet the topic at hand deals with the lack of this at our nation's universities. Yet, you claim that's what a university is for. Do you not see the contradiction in what you just said? Perhaps you need to educate yourself a bitter better in the art of logical reasoning.

Anyone who silences others with an opposing view is a coward, plain and simple. THAT'S exactly what is happening at these supposed institues of higher learning. Institutes of higher brainwashing might be a more appropriate title.

And I notice how you conveniently left out the hate-filled rhetoric coming out from the left. Ever read the KosKids or DU? Heck, just check out the ever-present troll DA. Or perhaps words like "scumbag" and "slimeball" are part of your everyday vocabulary.

I think you just spoke VOLUMES with this ommision. Nice try.

Posted by: Todd at November 22, 2006 02:10 PM (iLTU+)

36 hey ragnar...no I must of missed all the proclamations of innocence from the right wing...maybe cause malkin posts personal info about people she disagrees with and suggest people "pay them a visit" how very mafia-esque....show me a mainstream left wing blog that is suggesting similar?

Posted by: madmatt at November 22, 2006 03:12 PM (J8hqn)

37 You people are all idiots.

Pym Fortuyn showed the left in the Netherlands why Islam is wrong. He turnned the Dutch left against Islam by honestly explaining the problem & honestly offering to help their Islamic immigrants become Dutch. But he also explained that, for integration to work, additional immigration must stop.

Today the Netherlands has some of the most restrictive immigration rules in all of Europe. Why? Because the left there knows that additional immigration isn't good for the integration of the immigrants they already have.

Same could happen in U.S. universities, just place the cause of feminism or gay rights in direct opposition to the "right to oppress other religions" towel heads. Sadly U.S. conservatives are just too stupid for this job.

Posted by: Mr. C at November 22, 2006 03:14 PM (cYBtu)

38 Devils Advocate is wise. His rant is right on and true. Republicans are not conservatives any longer. They gave up on that when they decided Dumbya was their dictator. The progressives are trying to get the country back on track after 6 years of you all slipping into a coma. With the kool-aid wearing off, maybe you all can see what has been truly happening to your country. If you allow limbaugh, coulter, hannity, oreilly, etc...to spew their hateful and unpatriotic words, then you need to allow the "other side" to speak their minds also. Does that sound fair? It seems when the rethugs got their beating on Nov. 7, you folks got nuttier and nuttier. The whole country knows dumbya is an imbecile - frankly the whole world knows it too. But you have so much energy and hate invested in the dimwit, it is hard to let go isn't it? But you must let him go. His dad is watching him now, so you can go on about your lives and start being a loyal American once again. I know for you rethugs, the world "out there" is a very stange and scary place. Most people don't look like you do - and that makes you crazy. Progressives welcome all thinking and feeling people in their party. You folks hate - we care. you folks attack foreign nations, we try to find a more thoughtful way to go about things. you folks welcome spying and the bankrupting of our nation, we try and understand how things are working so we can make them better. You folks like "feeling safe" - not being safe - but feeling safe. We try to understand where the risks are and devote resources to those risks. You folks are scared of science (maybe cause you never spent enough time in school to understand it). We want to utilize science for the betterment of the planet. You folks are just as fanatical as the muslims. You are. there is no difference between some of the teachings of "those bad people" and the teachings of fundamentalist christians (man has dominion over woman, women don't have a decision over their own bodies - stuff like that). So it seems you are all cut from the same cloth. America (and Americans) will survive George W Bush. We will need to spend the next 30-50 years building the US back up, but we can do it. We also need your help to do this. Bush is not king (although I sense a lot of rethugs like the idea of a king because they wouldn't have to think very much or decide things for themselves), he is not a dictator. Actually he is barely a man. We need to forget about this historical midget and move on to a better country for all of our children.

Posted by: Tom at November 22, 2006 03:39 PM (2/n6+)

39 Wow, this sure got big fast...

PuddleDuck
Last time I tried, I couldn't get a copy of either book. Last I heard the left was into banning books because they were dangerous, but I know that college students often can 'get' things. I saw some books at a store in Calgary that were right in that catagory. I picked up a catalogue, but neither of the books I mentioned were in it.

Students are already showing violent tendencies, so the university system is becomeing dangerous. How dangerous depends on if you are part of the university culture, or not.

I really think the 'hate America' crowd has ruined higher education in many parts of the country. In my part of the world, hating America is not the default position, so maybe it can be corrected here. We do have a 'distrust the government' default setting here, but thats different.

Tanks at Waco. Need I say more about Leftist fascism? Was that Stalinist enough for everyone?

Happy thanksgiving.

USA all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at November 22, 2006 04:20 PM (2OHpj)

40 To Ragnar - My words are true, but I know the truth does hurt sometimes. You can also take your violent ways and stuff them. Violence - thanks to "dear leader" - is how we got into the mess we are in now. If you do read, you will also find that progressives - as a whole - are better educated, make more money, live longer, tolerate more, give more of their own time, etc...I'm not here to say anyone is better than anyone else. And, if I may, remind you that YOU brought up your trusty AR-15. Wow. A small insignificant little man with a weapon. Gee, what an accomplishment. Dude - anybody can buy (or steal) a weapon - ain't no big deal. Words and understanding are going to make sure the human race survives - not your little weapon. It is also curious that you brought it up. I wonder if there was an implied threat to my safety with your comment. Bullies are nowhere - just ask dumbya. He has the largest and best trained fighting force on earth and he can't control a country he decided to invade. See Ragnar - dumbyas has a weapon too, but like you, it is doing him no good. Cheers...Have a great holiday everyone.

Posted by: Tom at November 22, 2006 04:33 PM (2/n6+)

41 everywhere you used a pejorative to describe the left-wing, I replaced that with something like, "thinking voters"

Nice try, but one survey after another has demonstrated that conservative voters are, as a group, both better-educated and better-informed than liberals.

Let me see some examples, please.

Posted by: KC at November 22, 2006 04:39 PM (/ad+S)

42 Jim sez:

everywhere you used a pejorative to describe the left-wing, I replaced that with something like, "thinking voters"

Nice try, but one survey after another has demonstrated that conservative voters are, as a group, both better-educated and better-informed than liberals.

JT sez:

It's not the liberals' fault if the logically impaired thinking of what passes for conservative thought these days...

Again, nice try, but perjoratives just don't make a good substitute for argument.

...is easily replaced by a liberal ideology based on what a professor says. That's like a cultist complaining that their kid doesn't want to be a part of cult anymore because they talked to a skater punk at the local 7-11!

Well, it's not like that all, but anyone who thinks those are the same thing is likely beyond trying to reason with.

Additionally, I'm not sure of where you went to college, but at the many colleges I've attended, very rarely are professors put up on such pedestals

If the political bias of the professors has little or no effect on the students, why not open the academy up to conservative professors? The lefties won't--because they know better.

to joe : if we've learned that epithets are an integral part of an argument, we've learned it from the lefties.

if you want to express you ideas in a civilized and orderly manner politely and with respect for alternative points of view that is what University is for.

Yeah, that's all nice in THEORY. The REALITY is a whole different story. The reality is force, intimidation and thug behavior.

madmatt:

Proclamations of innocence? I'm not sure I even know what that means in this context, but there have been unequivocal denunciations by Malkin and others. As for Malkin's posting of personal info, she re-posted the contact info that they THEMSELVES put on their OWN website. Aggressive? Sure. Horrible? No. Others may have a different opinion, but let's be honest about the FACTS.

Mr. C sez:

You people are all idiots.

Mr. C. - I agree with the rest of your comment, but if you're gonna lump ME in with the rest of the idiots, I'd respectfully request that you provide some EVIDENCE of my idiocy.

Posted by: The All-Seeing Pirate Ragnar at November 22, 2006 04:45 PM (c/4ax)

43 For all the lefties who don't remember, Communism was suppossed to destroy us from within, even to the point of using our schools against us.

Well it is working.

All the ranting about how Stalinist the gov is now is as nothing to the way things will end up if the Leftist strangle hold on universities is not broken.

Now happy Turkey day! In the USA!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at November 22, 2006 05:04 PM (2OHpj)

44 Tom:

The world "out there" IS a very stange and scary place. If you don't realize that, you're an idiot. Try going to Riyadh with your liberal ideas. Float them with some friends you find in a cafe. Pass out some tracts on how being gay is OK. Tell them about free love and Christianity. Hell, you don't even have to go to Riyadh. Try the same experiment on the outskirts of Paris. Let us know how it goes.

Most people don't look like you do - and that makes you crazy.

Quite the contrary - I'm happy for humanity that most people don't look like I do. Nice try with the strawman, though. Don't y'all libs get tired of throwing all those strawmen around?

Progressives welcome all thinking and feeling people in their party.

Yes, as long as they THINK the same as you and they FEEL the same as you, you're all over welcoming them in.

You folks hate - we care.

Yeah, Tom--we can see the love in your words you've posted right here. So much love. So much caring. Do you really BELIEVE the crap you type?

So, what do you have to say about the fact that libs are significantly stingier than conservatives when it comes time to give to charity? So much for "caring."

You folks like "feeling safe" - not being safe - but feeling safe.

Thanks for telling me what I like. How the fuck would you have the slightest IDEA what I like?

We try to understand where the risks are and devote resources to those risks.

Yeah, we can see that everytime you stick your fingers in your ears and your head in the sand.

You folks are scared of science (maybe cause you never spent enough time in school to understand it). We want to utilize science for the betterment of the planet.

HUH??? First of all, we're better educated and informed thatn you are, on average. Second, who told you conservatives don't like science?!?!? I LOVE SCIENCE--especially the kind of science that you can use to build bunker busters and killer bionic hornets. There's a whole lot of science packed into my AR-15, and I thoroughly appreciate it every time I pull the trigger. Sweet, sweet science...

It's the LEFTIES who are afraid of science. SDI? Animal research? Genetic engineering? Nuclear power? "No, thanks--too scary."

So, do you have a VALID point to make, one backed up by some actual FACTS, perhaps?

Posted by: The All-Seeing Pirate Ragnar at November 22, 2006 05:12 PM (c/4ax)

45 Todd cracks me up. In one sentence he admonishes all liberals for tossing around the term "fascist" at every opportunity. Then, literally in the next sentence, he says that the people who stereotype others are what is wrong with America today. Good work Todd!

As to whether or not "the campus" should be ceded, I think conservatives, in general, ceded â€œthe campusâ€ when they decided that intellectual curiosity and critical analysis of facts had no place in the modern conservative movement. Conservativism today is much more about toeing the Republican Party line than it is about asking tough questions to tough problems that might sometimes reveal that what is good for the Republicans politically might be very bad for America as a whole. Many conservatives take great pride in their anti-intellectualism. The point of conservativism today is to create a culture of people who will respond favorably to talking points issued by conservative media outlets and who will never waver from the path chosen for the flock. There's a reason that Rush Limbaughâ€™s listeners proudly call themselves â€œdittoheads.â€ Fortunately for conservatives, there are a number of goodly conservative universities: Orel Roberts U., Bob Jones U., Liberty U., etc., just to name a few.

Maybe one reason that some universities have been hostile to visiting conservative lecturers or on-campus conservative groups is because modern conservatives are so hostile to education. For example, I can recall sitting in an English literature class when, one day, the professor began to talk about the impact that Charles Darwinâ€™s â€œThe Origin of Speciesâ€ had on 19th Century literature and thought. A goodly conservative Christian student spent the next half an hour arguing with the professor that evolution was â€œjust a theory.â€ But that wasnâ€™t the point; the point was that â€œThe Origin of Speciesâ€ had an impact on Western literature and thought, whether you agreed with Darwin or not. The student just wanted to take advantage of the opportunity to foist her beliefs on the rest of the class. I wasnâ€™t paying good money to listen to her babble. Thankfully, I encountered few such individuals in my college days, but I highly doubt that the student was alone in her sentiments.

As with my example above, if any of us decide that we want to seek out specific examples of one sort of bias or another, this world is full of all sorts of examples. The Malkin piece that Ragnar links to draws from an article in the New York Post (NYP), an unabashedly right-wing newspaper. Having read that NYP article, it is a shame that Nonie Darwish did not get a chance to tell her story. However, given that the NYP is the source, I have to wonder if we are seeing the whole story. We only know that her appearance was cancelled due to pressure from Brownâ€™s Muslim community. Maybe years of propagation of the fear of Muslims by the right contributed to scaring Brownâ€™s administrators into caving into the Muslim protests. The article doesnâ€™t go into much detail on why her speaking engagement was cancelled.

By contrast, I wonder how many conservatives applauded Hamilton College when the school cancelled a speaking engagement by Ward Churchill. Churchill, you might recall, was the University of Colorado professor who was witless enough to suggest that the victims of 9/11 were a bunch of â€œtechnocratsâ€ and â€œlittle Eichmanns.â€ Stupid comments aside, he might have had academically valid things to say on a host of other topics. Thanks to a flurry of patriotic correctness, he was shut down in a manner similar to the way that Brown shut down Nonie Darwish.

The Little Green Footballs piece that Ragnar linked to above gives us evidence of a tasteless Halloween costume and some swastikas that some idiot put on what looks like a restroom stall door. I donâ€™t mean to endorse either one, but in the grand scheme of things (How many millions of college students are there in America?) they seem pretty petty.

Ragnar presents these three incidents as proof of â€œâ€¦the truth about what cesspools of anti-American nastiness our university campuses have become.â€ Is that the best he can do? If so, conservativism is in worse shape than I thought.

Oh, one other thing. Ragnar shouldnâ€™t conflate conservative with pro-American. Pro-American attitudes come in liberal, conservative, and many flavors in between. That someone has a different idea as to what is in Americaâ€™s best interests than Ragnar does doesnâ€™t automatically make that person anti-American. To do so makes me think that perhaps Ragnar is a conservative first and an American second.

Posted by: JML at November 22, 2006 06:51 PM (DmwzQ)

46 Yeah, yet ANOTHER jackass!! Way to go JML!! Obviously you aren't intelligent enough to recognize a satirical comment when you see one.

Sheesh. I thought you people were supposed to be intelligent...

Posted by: Todd at November 22, 2006 06:54 PM (Q7kOY)

47 I'd love to see some speaker or conservative student, in a state where concealed carry is permitted, draw on the left-wing terrorists on the grounds that they believed they were in grave danger from a lawless mob and that campus security failed to take action to protect them from physical violence despite threats made prior to the event.

No need to actually ventilate one of the little sh!ts -- just throw the fear of the deity of their choosing into them. Let them be too frightened to actually seek to shut down a speech or event -- they can protest all they want, but they should realize that any action in contravention of our rights might lead to "unfortunate consequences" for those who seek to violate the rights of conservative, pro-American speakers. After all, sthe Second Amendment is there for a reason.

If blood has to be spilled, let it be the blood of the petty "revolutionaries" who seek to suppress the liberties guaranteed by the First Amendment of the Constitution -- fundamental human rights with which we are endowed by our creator. And as for the fear of creating "martyrs", I'm all for doing so, just as we have made martyrs of Uday and Qusay Hussein, Al-Zarqawi, and countless other jihadis.

Posted by: Rhymes With Right at November 22, 2006 06:56 PM (tdsAK)

48 This topic hits a nerve for me. I didn;t finsih my college education and a while ago started back at my old university to do the classes I needed and get my degree. Anyway, I was taking a history class on the Vietnam War and a conservative co-worker saw my books and asked me about it. I explained I was taking a history class on Vietnam and he immediately started attacking me, my professor, and my school for being liberals, promoting agendas, etc. And for what? He didn't know a F*&cking thing about the class or my instructor. I like school, I like education, I enjoy it and if that makes me an evil liberal so be it. I'm tired of seeing the university system and anyone remotely attached to it being attacked by knee jerk right wingers. Its an economic system people, no one is forced to take classes. Don't like a professor's stance? Don't take the class, drop it. Like that asswipe in Colorado. If students simply refused to take classes by him and boycotted him it would be over and done for him. Universities don't get that much funding, they mostly rely on their students (i.e. consumers) for funding. You power is in your money, period. Besides, I don;t think people should be boycotted simply for their political stances, its getting absurd. And college students need to grow up and take responsibility for their educations. Their adults, quit acting like they are poor brain washed victims.

Posted by: AZ at November 22, 2006 09:04 PM (ZuckG)

49 OK, I just saw my post, looks like hell. I'm sure someone is going to say 'no wonder you didn't finish school' so I'll just say it myself and beat him or her to it.

Posted by: AZ at November 22, 2006 09:07 PM (ZuckG)

50 JML
We disagree a lot, but let me just say that Nonie Darwish had a chance to discuss her cancellation in other places besides the one you know of. She was shut down because her opinion is critical of Islam as expressed through violence, and because Muslims can't handle criticism.

Rhymes'
I can't quite go that far with you. The MSM is in charge, and the wheels of propaganda would be turning in favor of those who attacked you. I'm starting to get to where I think ridicule is the correct weapon in any situation where media could be involved. Carry a loaded pie

Also, a caution. Pulling out a gun in many places is felony assault, even if you have what you feel is fair cause. Its not fair, or just, but you risk jail even in making the warning.

I read once that two men who had permits for hunting rifles saw people looting their car from their apartment window. Someone called the cops, and they went out and held the theives at gunpoint, till the cops showed up.

The cops arrested the car owners for not having the correct permit to carry the guns in the city they were in (NYC) and the mandatory sentence was 1 year. I don't remember how it ended. I suppose I should track down more on that.

Anyway, you may be right, but get arrested, and sent to prison. You might think that is better than just taking it. You may be correct.

Ragnar
Thanks for putting this topic up.

USA all the way! Happy Thanksgiving.

Posted by: Michael Weaver at November 22, 2006 09:15 PM (2OHpj)

51 JML -

I didn't intend to provide an exhaustive list of conservative events banned by university administrations. I didn't know one was necessary.

I guess I expect too much of some people. I guess I expect folks who read this blog (yes, even the leftists) to be informed, to read the news, and to stay up on current events.

Now, if I said "Bush is stupid," but only provided one example of Bush stupidity, I doubt you'd quibble with me or criticize me for only giving one example. Why? Because you like to think Bush is stupid and you already know other examples of Bush being stupid.

In this case, perhaps you don't like to think universities shut down free speech and you haven't taken the time to inform yourself as to whether or not they do. Fact is, they do. Routinely. The evidence is all over the place. The fact that you're oblivious to the fact is really not my problem. Educate yourself. It's not my job.

You claim that Pro-American is not exactly the same as being conservative. You're right.

So, let's get down to brass tacks: are YOU pro-American?

Is there something special about America, or is it just one more nation in a community of nations?

If there is something special about America, what is it?

Do you want to see this country and its principles SUCCEED even if that means other countries and people have to FAIL?

Do you want to see this country and its principles TRIUMPH even if that means other countries have to be DEFEATED?

Are you willing to have people killed and things destroyed in order to protect America's interests?

Posted by: Ragnar, the All-Seeing Pirate at November 22, 2006 09:35 PM (zWVx1)

52 From Michael Weaver's first post: "What about trying to start a rival university system?"

There are already plenty of universities that welcome conservative speakers and receive them graciously. They range from Falwell's Liberty University and Pat Robertson's Regent's University to small, church-affiliated colleges. Why don't you send your kids there? What? You're worried they will get laughed out of job interviews? Well then, by all means be a hypocrite and send them to prestigious secular universities--just tell them to put their fingers in their ears at the first hint of a liberal idea. Your stealth kiddies can harbor the same myths and ignorant prejudices of the Bob Jones graduates yet avoid the Bible College diploma stigma. I don't imagine that hypocrisy will be too hard to live with: I'm told that, with practice, you can build up a tolerance for it.

Posted by: EC at November 22, 2006 10:39 PM (c4CQF)

53 Or, EC, you could take your own damn advice and put your fingers in your ears.

Sheesh, for a group of people who are supposedly "tolerant" and "open-minded," you sure do act like a bunch of ignorant bigots.

Maybe it's just your true colors shining through...

Posted by: Todd at November 23, 2006 12:41 AM (Q7kOY)

54 Ragnar,

Thanks for your response.

You made a sweeping generalization that American universities are sliding into a cesspool of anti-Americanism. This is tantamount to a charge of treason. If you want to go that route, you had better have lots of hard evidence to back yourself up with. Otherwise, you just come across as a right-wing nutjob. So, yes, you would be wise to list more than the trio of instances in the links that you provided, only one of which, the cancelled appearance of Nonie Darwish, is relevant to the charges that you levied.

I did a few minutes of research on Nonie Darwish for my last post. It seems that her whole goal is fostering mutual understanding, and, subsequently, peace between the Arab world, Israel, and the West. Anybody who is for promoting peace and understanding is all right by me. Her position strikes me as fairly progressive (Iâ€™m not allowed to use â€œliberalâ€ anymore.) and Iâ€™m surprised that a university like Brown would deny her an opportunity to speak. This is why I have to wonder if the New York Post piece that your friend Michelle Malkin liked to conveniently omitted some information that might shed more light on the situation. Perhaps it was simply a boneheaded decision by Brown administrators.

I like to think of myself as more informed than most. Apparently, you are more informed than the rest of us, including myself. To that end, frankly, no, I donâ€™t see headlines every day that tell me that one conservative blowhard or another has been denied an opportunity to speak on your favorite campus. Again, if you spend all of your time looking for affronts to your ideological agenda, the world is full of them. This is true no matter what part of the political spectrum one resides in.

As I suggested above, perhaps any such opposition to conservative views on college campuses has to do with conservativesâ€™ collective disdain for all things intellectual, which also happen to be the things that form the bedrock of higher education. The conflict of interest should be obvious. However, I think that there is a value in presenting todayâ€™s conservative viewpoints. I canâ€™t think of a better way to show people how misguided conservativism has become that to let some faith-based patriotically correct idiot tell us all that exporting Americaâ€™s manufacturing jobs to communist China is good for the American worker and for America in general, or that global warming is just part of a socialist anti-business agenda, or that the invasion and occupation of Iraq has been a smashing success.

Am I pro-American? Absolutely.

Is there something special about America? That depends on what you mean by â€œspecial.â€ America is definitely unique in the economic and military power that it wields. It is also unique in the make-up of its citizens, and especially in Americansâ€™ abilities to coexist, relatively speaking, despite dramatic differences that in many other countries would result in civil unrest (see Iraq).

However, America used to be the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave. Under the Bush Administration, we have been chipping away at the Free and we are becoming the Home of the Terrified. I have major problems with both of these phenomena. To this end, America is not the â€œShining City on a Hillâ€ that conservative hero Ronald Reagan constantly alluded to. Nor do I feel that America has Favored Nation Status with god, as many conservatives apparently do.

Perhaps you are aware that some Americans feel that freedom (a.k.a. civil liberties) has been under assault under the Bush Administration. Liberals, Leftists, or whatever you want to call them, â€œwhineâ€ about secret wiretaps and the detention of individuals accused of having ties to terrorism being detained without due process. And well they should. The Military Commissions Act of 2006 allows for things such as coerced statements and hearsay evidence to be used against defendants, as well as the suspension of Habeas Corpus, among other rebukes of long-standing legal practice in the West. The Right argues that these adjustments allow the President more flexibility in fighting terrorism. On the one hand, theyâ€™re right. On the other hand, there is a reason why America once held these ideals as core values. Allow me to create an analogy: Letâ€™s say that Chicagoâ€™s Mayor Daley announced that the Chicago Police Department has the right to arrest and detain indefinitely any individual that the police thought might have even a passing association with street gangs. There is no question that such a decree would be very effective in fighting gang-related crime. However, it would also create an atmosphere that would allow for all manner of abuses by the police. Anybody who the city government found politically inconvenient might suddenly find themselves suspected of being associated with gang crime and subsequently arrested and jailed without any means of appealing their charges. Suspicion equals guilt in the Home of the Terrified.

Sure, I want to see America succeed (at what, exactly?). Is there a reason why that must come at the expense of others? If it does come at the expense of others, is it reasonable to expect that those others might retaliate against America? Can America succeed while promoting the prospects for othersâ€™ successes? (I hope so.)

If you support having people killed and things destroyed in the â€œdefenseâ€ of American interests, however broadly or narrowly those interests might be defined and especially if said American interests have not been attacked by the recipients of Americaâ€™s wrath, then do not be surprised when the subjects of those killings and that destruction vow to destroy America (see Iraq).

Oh, Todd, if that was satire, you really need to work on your delivery.

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!

Posted by: JML at November 23, 2006 01:23 AM (8xEPl)

55 JML -

First of all, I'll congratulate you on a post which is, in many aspects, thoughtful and well-reasoned.

However, there is a bigotry against conservatives that comes through very clearly in your writing. You should work on that.

You are fond, for example, of saying things like this:

perhaps any such opposition to conservative views on college campuses has to do with conservativesâ€™ collective disdain for all things intellectual, which also happen to be the things that form the bedrock of higher education.

Replace the word "concervative" in the above sentence with another group of your choice (Blacks, women, Jews, Amish) and read it back to yourself. Sound enlightened? Not much.

There is no "consevatives' collective disdain for all things intellectual." Ever visted The Volokh Conspiracy? Go hang out there for a day and then come back and tell me about this "collective disdain" for the intellectual. I'm more educated and informed than most, and they lose me sometimes.

As re: whether you're "pro-American," from your answers to my questions, I'll go as far as the "Diet Coke" of pro-American. Just one calorie--not too much.

Those of us who are civil libertarians fully understand and appreciate the need to be wary of all expanded govt. power. The problem coming from the left side is that they don't seem to be willing to make distinctions between the various aspects of the Patriot Act, for example. They make wild-eyed statements about how we've "thrown out the Constitution," etc. That just makes the left look ridiculous, and makes reasonable people in the middle (much less on the right) arrive at the conclusion that the left can't be taken seriously as an interlocutor in the difficult work of balancing liberty and security.

Posted by: Ragnar, the All-Seeing Pirate at November 23, 2006 11:50 AM (70KwL)

56 JML,

I can only do so much over the internet to make it as easy as possible for idiots like you to "understand."

I can't help it if your intelligence quotient is that low.

As for your comment about conservatives' having a "disdain" for things intellectual: I wonder, do you actually BELIEVE that crap or have you been watching Olbermann reruns too much? If supressing opposing viewpoints is your idea of "intellectualism," then I hope this country is as anti-intellectual as can be. I've found in life that those who have to puff up their own intelligence do so because of a severe inferiority complex. Perhaps you realize you're really not as smart as you thought you were. Not surprising you want to squelch anyone with a different worldview than you. That's usually the response of the simple-minded.

Posted by: Todd at November 23, 2006 12:55 PM (Q7kOY)

57 I would like to thank the visiting lefturds for relieving me of my duty to remind everyone that you and all your terrorist butt-buddies should all be killed, since every time you hit the "post" button, you only make my case for me. I have better things to do and your efforts really free up a lot of my time, so thank you.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 23, 2006 12:55 PM (v3I+x)

58 General response to various postings

A rival university system would be deling with factual knowledge, not teaching extreme and biased political veiws. No one should be ranting in class about Bush, or Clinton.

If you want to talk about abortion, outside of the actual medical procedure, talk about it in an ethics class. If you want to talk about 'Intelligent design' talk about it in Philosophy, because that is where it belongs.

If you are a teacher, you should, as a paid employee, not use the campus resources to promote your personal biased agenda. If you are a student organization, you should be allowed to participate in activities, and invite guests. All guest should be respected.

If Michael Moore (who I'd otherwise gladly throw up on) were an invited guest, I could be polite. You see, polite behavior is traditional in such cases, is civilized, and is supposed to be one of the benefits of a higher education.

I don't want any kids of mine attending a school where impolite behavior is celebrated. Where suppression of a guest speaker is tolerated, or cheered. Where rascism is ignored if the speaker hates Jews, but is inserted where it wasn't an issue, if the speaker is conservative.

If I want someone to teach my kids to be assholes, I can do that myself! We don't need no stinkin student loans ...

If we weren't so entrenched in the University System monopoly, I'd try to buy an alternative. Someone mentioned having your degree laughed at. Well I laugh at the quality of 'education' provided to most college students in America.

You want evidence that even our best colleges are failures? Hey everybody, look! Its GW Bush, and John Kerry! GW can't even identify a hateful death cult when he sees it, and Kerry can't tell our armed forces from Mongols. I'd flunk both of them. Especially right now.

I had an awesome Thanksgiving, and I hope you did also.

USA all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at November 24, 2006 12:52 AM (2OHpj)

59 Ragnar,

Thanks again for responding.

Youâ€™re right about one thing; I have a lot of problems with the conservative movement, at least in its current form. To an objective observer, do you think that my â€œbigotryâ€ (nice subliminal suggestion that I might be a racist â€“ Iâ€™m most definitely not) looks any different than your bigotry toward the Left/Liberalism in your initial post? You said, â€œThe left-wingers and campus Islamic groups very effectively use violence and the threat of violence to shut down dissent on the university campuses.â€ I read this as a deliberate attempt to equate the American Left (thereâ€™s a Left in America?) with Islamic fundamentalism. Can you cite a specific instance where Leftists and Islamists have used violence to get their way on an American college campus? - Just curious, as I am not aware of any such incidents.

I didnâ€™t mean to suggest that there is no such thing as a conservative intellectual. William F. Buckley. Pat Buchanan. Christopher Hitchens. Andrew Sullivan. Iâ€™ll even throw in Leo Strauss. Dare I include Donald Rumsfeld? Part of the problem here, and I think youâ€™ll agree, is that we are forced somewhat to use generalizations about the Left or the Right, or conservative or liberal. I would bet that no two individuals have the exact same views on all of the issues that America is faced with today, no matter their political orientation. However, I do feel that conservatives are generally much more alike in their views, relative to one another, than are liberals. Conservatives tend to be more religious and more prone to a flock mentality (see â€œdittoheadsâ€). This has translated into electoral advantages for the Republicans over the years, as they tend to operate in lock-step, whereas the Democrats have tended to be a sort of mish-mash of people who are uncomfortable with the Republican agenda, often for very different reasons that are themselves at odds.

You might not be aware of it, but your initial post has a very anti-university, and by extension, anti-intellectual air to it. You said that, â€œConservative and pro-American speakers routinely have their campus speaking events cancelledâ€¦â€ Routinely? Can you provide evidence that this is the norm, not the exception? Again, you only linked to one instance of a cancellation, and Iâ€™m not so sure that Nonie Darwish is explicitly conservative. In fact, Darwishâ€™s views seem fairly liberal/progressive, which makes Brownâ€™s decision all that more puzzling.

I assert that conservatives, in general (certainly not in total, and, yes, I am making a generalization), have a â€œcollective disdain for all things intellectualâ€ based on personal experience (I grew up in a small, largely conservative town in rural Michigan) and what I can gather from right-leaning sources, particularly in the blogosphere. In efforts to gain political advantage, the Republican Party, and, by extension, conservatives, have courted Christian fundamentalists for decades. To no small extent, conservatism has been redefined in recent years, as has liberalism. Notice that many people who would have proudly called themselves liberals 25 years ago now call themselves â€œprogressives.â€ Todayâ€™s conservatives have an entirely different agenda than the old low-taxes-and-keep-government-off-my-back agenda of yore. Todayâ€™s conservatives, in general, do not like anything that challenges their faith-based views of the world; faith comes first and reality is a distant second. These people have hostile attitudes toward science in general, as science tends to debunk long-held religious beliefs.

Iâ€™m well aware that there are some people who have woken up recently to find that conservativism has been redefined out from under themselves, so to speak.

As to the issue of pro-Americanism: You seem to put American citizens into two categories â€“ Real Americans are those who agree with you, and Un-Americans are those who dare to challenge you. As to the concept of American exceptionalism; it just seems to me that the idea that Americans are fundamentally better human beings than people who have the misfortune of living elsewhere, or the idea that America can just do what it pleases on the global stage without the expectation of protest or reprisal, is just arrogant.

Todd,

Show me where I suggested anything remotely like the idea that suppressing opposing viewpoints is my idea of intellectualism. Hereâ€™s a complimentary set of quotation marks that you can use (â€œâ€). Hereâ€™s another set that you can use to show us all where I said that I want to squelch anyone with a different worldview than my own (â€œâ€).

Iâ€™m glad that you made your last post. You support my case. You are obviously very put off by the fact that I challenged you and Ragnar. Obviously, you didnâ€™t take the time to read my posts thoroughly. You just offered up knee-jerk reactions to perceived threats to your positions. However, you seem to have no shortage of nasty names to call people who disagree with you. I suppose thatâ€™s something to be proud ofâ€¦

If anybody needs proof of how hostile some right-wingers have become to opposing views, look no further than the post by Improbulus Maximus.

Posted by: JML at November 24, 2006 12:57 AM (6vIX8)

60 JML,

You're insistence that the conservative movement is "hostile" toward education or intellectual thinking is proof enough. It's just one example of the typical liberal elitist attitude that pervades not only our university system, but our society in general.

I have read your posts thouroughly. What you fail to grasp is that I (and obviously others) find very little of value in them, and little in the way of cogent thinking. You offer up the tired old arguments of the left as enlightened individuals vs. the right as close-minded neanderthals. And yet, time after time all we see is the left squelching the views of those they disagree with. This is hardly "enlightened" thinking. This is the result of fear and hatred, things the left has in abundance.

As for name-calling, if someone is a jackass, I'll call them a jackass. In other words, if the shoe fits, wear it. If you want to offer up the same old tired liberal talking points, I'm going to call you a shill, because that's what you are.

If anyone needs any proof of how hostile the left has become towards anyone who doesn't toe the line, go visit Kos or DU. Better yet, go visit an Ivy League school where a conservative is slated to speak.

Posted by: Todd at November 24, 2006 09:16 AM (Q7kOY)

61 *** I don't think physical violence by our side is the answer. ***

But by bringing it up you show that you've been pushed to the point of at least *considering* it, even if you are (for now) rejecting that option.

What you want is to have your views respected. You want for people to listen to you and to understand the underlying principles and key issues that shape your worldview. When you don't get that, you find it frustrating. Extremely frustrating. To the point that you start pondering the question of whether violence is the right way to address the problem.

But what you're pushing is the view that in response to groups that have been frustrated to the point of considering violence as a tactic, trying to understand the underlying principles and key issues that shape their worldview is the wrong approach.

Isn't there just a glimmer of cognitive dissonance inside your head over this?

Posted by: asdf at November 24, 2006 02:16 PM (SGGuV)

62 well done. the latter part of this thread is worth reading in its entirety. You all managed to raise the bar in terms of talking to each other. Keep it up and we will all benefit.

Posted by: pete at November 24, 2006 05:37 PM (vVX9E)

63 This situation has absolutely no bearing on 99% of all institutions of higher learning in America. It's an idiotic bit of hysteria.

"I don't have a solution to this problem as of yet. I don't think physical violence by our side is the answer. Setting aside the moral issues . . . ."

LOL

Posted by: Will Smith at November 24, 2006 10:03 PM (8ZEXn)

64 Todd,

I donâ€™t mean to suggest that conservatives are inherently stupid, but I do assert that conservatives, in general, are bent on upholding the status quo as they see it. If upholding a status quo is the goal, then any view that challenges the status quo will automatically be met with resistance, no matter whether that view has any validity or not. Objective review of such challenges is suspect in the conservative world (see Iraq). I donâ€™t need to tell you that if challenges to the status quo had been rejected out-of-hand since the beginning of time, we would still be living in goddamned caves.

If I am not mistaken, there is a â€œmuseumâ€ in Arkansas (where else?) that exists for the sole purpose of â€œprovingâ€ that the dinosaurs existed during the days that Adam and Eve were alive (if they, in fact, were real themselvesâ€¦). If this isnâ€™t a rebuke of intellectualism, please tell me what is. Again, I understand that not all conservatives are this stupid, but conservatives have made a pact with these religious extremists to share some common ground and promote one anotherâ€™s interests for political gain and, by extension, the conservative movement at large has endorsed such incredible ignorance and stupidity. This is the future of America that the conservative movement, as a whole, wants to build.

I fully understand that you find no value in my posts. I sincerely appreciate that. As to whether or not those on the Right are a bunch of closed-minded Neanderthals, one need not look further than the â€œdittoheadâ€ phenomenon. Whatâ€™s your explanation?

Is the Left squelching views of those they disagree with? Show me some proof. Ragnar linked to a Michelle Malkin piece, and she provided a link to exactly one such example, and then based on that one incident Ragnar proceeded to declare that the entire university system in America has become a cesspool of anti-Americanism, and we donâ€™t even know all of the details about the situation at Brown. If it were up to me, Nonie Darwish (a.k.a. the conservative victim) would have had full run of an auditorium at Brown.

While weâ€™re on the topic of squelching viewpoints, have you ever watched Fox News? They have turned squelching opposing views into a spectator sport. You wanna talk about fear and hatred in abundance? Listen to El Rushbo, listen to Sean Hannity, listen to Neal Cavuto, listen to Michael Savage, listen to Ann Coulter. Iâ€™d bet that you have no problem with any of them since they actively support a conservative agenda.

I am familiar with DailyKos and the DU websites. Frankly, while I might share some of their overall ideologies, I tend to be turned off by them for the same reasons that a lot of Right-wingers turn me off. They seem to be more interested in creating conflict between Left and Right than they are in objectively dissecting the issues of the day. Kinda like a lot of Right-wing sites.

Posted by: JML at November 25, 2006 02:32 AM (mWALQ)

65 I went to a "conservative" university - the Catholic University of America and saw mostly the opposite of what you see - I saw the "right" trying to silence the "left." Perhaps it's just some humans' nature to be offended by dissent? Perhaps thoughts collect and become hardened if not questioned regularly? I'm just spitballing. As a moderate, I find I'm always looking for balance and middle ground. I'm not saying that's always the best thing, but it can be helpful when two sides are so polarized.

Posted by: fnygy at November 25, 2006 07:09 AM (Pinya)

66 JML,

Status quo, huh. You mean like status quo on Social Security, medicare, prescription drugs, immigration reform, etc. Is that the status quo you're talking about? Remind me again, which group of people is it that refuses to examine these failed programs and institute reform?

The thing I find quite humorous with those of the liberal persuasion, or "progressive" (I guess that's what they're calling themselves this month), is that nothing they promote is new, nor progressive. Let's just take tax cuts for example. History has proven that when you lower taxes, tax revenues actually go up (this has happened yet again under Bush.) But what does the left want to do? Raise taxes. Why? Because of the deficit. But wait a minute. If you want to bring in more revenue to cut down the deficit, shouldn't you lower taxes even more, while cutting spending? History says so, yet they hold on to their tired old view. Why? Not because of the deficit, but because class warfare plays so well to their base. Tell me, what is so intelligent or intellectual about THAT?! It's pandering, plain and simple, the same pandering you charge the right with in regards to people of faith.

I don't watch Fox News. I don't watch any cable news program, or national news program for that matter. After Dan Rather's shoddy piece of propaganda in 2004, I quit watching these "news" programs. If I want to be spoonfed BS, I'll go to DU or Kos of LGF. Otherwise, I'm quite capable of finding out information on my own, and wise enough to recognize bias when I see it.

As to the one example cited at Brown University, take a look at Colombia University and what happened when the founder/leader of the Minuteman project was invited to speak recently. People rushed the stage and shouted him down. I believe that punches were thrown as well. There have been MANY such examples. Take 2 minutes with Google and you'll see what I mean. There is an anti-intellectual spirit among many colleges and universities today. I know I certainly saw it when I was at Yale. Dare to question the standard liberal viewpoint and you've guaranteed yourself pariah status. Pray tell, how are these places considered institutes of higher learning?

It'll be interesting to see what happens one day when liberals wake up and realize they aren't as smart as they think they are.

Posted by: Todd at November 25, 2006 09:15 AM (iLTU+)

67 Todd,

Correct me if Iâ€™m wrong, but some of the biggest changes to welfare in recent years came under Clintonâ€™s administration. Regarding Social Security, Medicare, prescription drugs, immigration reform, etc., the Republicans have been running the whole show for six years. If youâ€™re not happy with how theyâ€™re handling those issues, take it up with them. Oh, wait, the American electorate just did. Nevermindâ€¦

Nothing new? On the one hand youâ€™re right. â€œProgressivesâ€ have spent a lot of time lately defending some long-standing pillars of our culture, such as habeas corpus. Progressives have also been the champions of a slew of environmental issues that the Right has completely ignored, probably because there is nothing in the Bible about global warming.

If playing up the class warfare that corporate elitists have declared on those of us who are so low and worthless that we actually have to rely on jobs to earn livings for ourselves (unlike the real Americans who inherit their wealth) plays well to the Democratic base, then from an electoral strategy standpoint, it is actually fairly intelligent, no?

It is comforting to see that you view a number of news media outlets with suspicion. Out of curiosity, what news sources are you familiar with that you feel are worth paying attention to? Which ones are least â€œbiasedâ€ in your mind? Or are they all rubbish, and, in that case, how do you stay abreast of current events?

There are plenty of examples of individuals representing both the Left and the Right doing what they can to stifle dissent. Donâ€™t equate the actions of a few intolerant idiots with the larger missions of our institutes of higher learning.

If you have a degree from Yale, Iâ€™ll bet you would agree that that degree has bought you more and better opportunities than similar degrees from lots of other schools, including decidedly conservative schools. Are you really prepared to challenge Yaleâ€™s status as an institute of higher learning? If so, maybe weâ€™ll all wake up one day to discover that weâ€™re not as smart as you.

Posted by: JML at November 25, 2006 03:18 PM (DO5Vf)

68 JML,

Yes, some of the biggest changes came forth under the Clinton administration. But let's be honest. They came about as a result of the '94 election. Even 2006 pales in comparison to THAT rout. Clinton was a brilliant strategist and knew EXACTLY what '94 meant. The guy was no dummy.

Progressives have offered up nothing new to deal with the problems that we have. Seriously, 2006 was a repudiation of the republican party. What, exactly, did the democrats run on? What was their unified platform? Their unified platform was "we're not republicans." Where are all of these progressive ideas on how to deal with our energy crisis? That's right. Quit looking and drilling for our own oil. Alternative energy sources are still years away. We need to do something in the meantime, yet can't because the left won't let us. What about Social Security? Status quo. But habeus corpus for terrorists? Yeah!

Class warfare is a disgusting strategy, just as playing the homosexual marriage card is a disgusting strategy by the right. Income is up across the board, the unemployment rate is low, and disposable income is up. You act as if this is bad somehow. Those with more money are ALWAYS going to make more money that those with less. If the market dictates that someone is worth X amount of dollars, then that's what the market dictates. I don't see anyone crying about how the oil companies were making a pittance when oil was around 15-20 dollars a barrel.

As for news outlets, I read Reuters, AP, various local and national newspapers online, as well as several blogs. I also watch my local news programs. And yes I do *GASP* go to drudgereport. I also vist DU, KOS and LGF just to see what the nutcases are up to.

The Yale I attended does not resemble the Yale of today. I remember we used to throw HUGE parties whenever one of us scored an A in one of our classes, considering they were so difficult to come by. Now, they pass them around like candy, lest they hurt anyone's feelings. That, to me, does not resemble an institute of higher learning. I've audited a couple of classes over the past couple of years and I must say, was fairly disappointed. Debate used to be welcome. I watched as one student was shouted down by several others for saying that *GASP*, maybe Fidel Castro has not been good for Cuba, while the professor sat back and did nothing. The kid left in tears. Exactly what are we teaching these kids by allowing this kind of behavior? If this is "higher learning," perhaps I'll stick to the lower kind.

Posted by: Todd at November 25, 2006 05:28 PM (Q7kOY)

69 The sad and now perhaps revealed truth about college is that their are a large number of imperious ...holes who live to excercise their sadistic streak. I once took a dispute of character between myself and a "professional academic" all the way to the top. It did not end well for me. His bullying ways sadly continued for years and he retired. But that is the brutal nature of academia. These are life lessons arriving early. Take them and learn and if you truly believe what you profess then you will carry on ever affirmed. Unless you are changed and then you have them to thank.

Posted by: pete at November 25, 2006 05:50 PM (vVX9E)

70 You lament the lack of debate and civil discourse in our universties while witnessing the most secretive, debate-phobic, intolerant, ideologically rigid administration in our history pursue its evangelical agenda and disgrace itself and the country.

As usual, you pampered little right-wing nutjobs miss the forest for the trees. Actually, it is high time blazer wearing, snot-nosed republicans of any age or place were told to shut up and go away.

Grosshouse

Posted by: Todd at November 25, 2006 06:24 PM (NihGI)

71 Todd,

If simply not being Republicans was enough to get Democrats elected, that really says something about how far the Republicans have strayed. Note that a number of â€œconservative Democratsâ€ were elected. It is inevitable that we will tap North American resources for every last ounce of fossil fuel. One of the reasons that alternative energy sources are years away is that energy policy, especially under Bush, has practically been hand-crafted by the oil industry. Theyâ€™re not about to shoot themselves in their feet. No matter where we get fossil fuels from, there will eventually be a day when there is no more. When that happens, weâ€™ll probably discover that our collective shortsightedness will have us playing catch-up with Japanese or the Chinese. Again.

As far as habeas corpus for terrorists: How do we (did we until recently) determine guilt in America? We hold trials. If we deny trials, then how can we legitimately punish individuals who are otherwise merely accused of having links to terrorism? The Right just wants to punish everybody in the hopes that the true terrorists get caught in the net. If theyâ€™re genuinely guilty of terrorist-related activity, fine, liquidate them. Otherwise, if mere accusation is all it takes to be put away for life, America starts to look like a lot of other authoritarian regimes.

Class warfare is a nasty strategy. So is class warfare. The anti-gay strategy by the right is every bit as nasty. Unfortunately, it has proven to be fairly successful.

Hereâ€™s where you completely lose me: â€œI donâ€™t see anybody crying about how the oil companies were making a pittance when oil was around 15 â€“ 20 dollars a barrel.â€ When the hell have the oil companies made a mere pittance? What are you smoking and where can I score some?

I think youâ€™re right that standards at many schools have fallen over the years. Colleges and universities are also businesses. The more bodies they keep in their classrooms, the more money rolls into their coffers. Youâ€™re a pro-business type, you should understand this. Those who earned their Aâ€™s as opposed those who were given Aâ€™s should excel in post-college life. Unfortunately for employers, it can be hard to tell which is which sometimes when hiring recent grads.

We seem to have strayed quite a bit from the original topic, which I think we have pretty much beaten to death.

Iâ€™m outta here. Thanks for the debate. Enjoy the rest of your week-end.

Go Bears!

Posted by: JML at November 25, 2006 06:37 PM (Ro5cU)

72 I have a question:

regarding the statement said severa times by someone that "conservatives are more educated and informed" than liberals as a whole...um, how is that if all the universities do is brainwash students into raging liberals?

According to you, this means that either the "liveral agenda" of the university isn't working so you have nothing to be so upset about, or allllllll these conservatives are going to school...uh, where? Are they cramming into the good and intelligent (as deemed by you) conservative schools that we've mentioned do excist? Exactly how are the conservatives getting so educated?

(P.S. I've always read exactly the opposite. I guess people can find whateever "facts" to support what they want to say when they look for them...)

Posted by: Ptsng at November 26, 2006 08:59 AM (B0CS6)

73 EC: When people attack liberals at schools do you think the cause could be what the liberals have done to destroy the educational system. Perhaps its a warrented reaction.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 26, 2006 10:37 PM (aghaS)

74 The only "cesspools of anti-American nastiness" are blogs like this one, run by authoritarians who are against everything that is enshrined in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, i.e., the fundamental principles of American democracy. These people are the true traitors to Democracy and to this great country.

The only good thing to come out of these disastous six years, is that America has now discovered that there is a lunatic fringe in this country that advocates totalitarianism. By crawling from under their rocks, the totalitarians have made themselves visible. The rest of America now knows where to find the traitors.

Posted by: Devil's Advocate at November 27, 2006 08:51 AM (r5/L0)

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The incident I wrote about last night, in which six Muslim imams were removed from a plane at Minneapolis/St. Paul International Airport, is looking more and more like a deliberate provocation. From the Associated Press [emphasis added]: more...

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1 Im tired of Muslims always demanding respect for their beliefs. How about Muslims learning to respect the beliefs of others who don't want to watch them roll out prayer rugs on an airplane?

Posted by: BelchSpeak at November 21, 2006 10:22 AM (rXmHB)

2 First there is the incident at the UCLA library and now an incident on an airplane. Is there more than just a correlation to the two acts of civil disobedience this week? Could this be a concerted effort by the terrorists to activate their sleeper cells in an effort to reduce security at libraries and airports? Both libraries and airports, in general, were key places for terrorist activities that led up to 9/11.

Posted by: Peter S at November 21, 2006 10:49 AM (mJpNo)

3 I doubt it's a setup. They really ARE obnoxious.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 21, 2006 11:09 AM (8e/V4)

4 It is religious provocation, nothing more. Like people who pray at restaurants, or pray for an end to abortion in front of clinics.

What scared people is the association of terrorist acts (especially on airplanes) with extreme Muslim piety. This is what the Muslim community needs to address, but won't.

Posted by: garrett at November 21, 2006 11:17 AM (6Hyks)

5 It is religious provocation, nothing more. Like people who pray at restaurants, or pray for an end to abortion in front of clinics.
Posted by: garrett at November 21, 2006 11:17 AM
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Whatever happened to freedom of religion? I do agree however, considering that climate that exists choosing to demonstrate this while flying is foolish.
On the other hand, if I'm at Denny's and someone wants to say grace, let them.
Pray at abortion clinics. As long as they have a permit.

Posted by: No Fear at November 21, 2006 12:03 PM (ZQepB)

6 Holy shit! The article says that there are 1.7 billion Muslims now. They're either freaking great breeders or the AP is complicit in their taquiya. I've heard rough estimates from 900 million to 1.2 billion. Some Muslims like to pull 1.5 billion out of their ass, but 1.7 billion!? At this rate, there'll be more Muslims than the population of the entire planet! It's kind of like the homosexual lobby, which chants "homosexuals are 10%" of the population (when reality is closer to 1% according to every study out there) in order to push the normalcy of their cause. It reminds me of cats (or pick your animal of choice) raising its fur to make it appear bigger and thus more threatening. Same thing with Muslim propagandist lies about Islam being the fastest growing religion and ever growing "population creep" numbers.

Posted by: Ansar Al-kuffir at November 21, 2006 12:06 PM (KjO46)

7 Whatever happened to freedom of religion?

Tell that to the ACLU.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 21, 2006 12:43 PM (8e/V4)

8 It appears to have been a setup. I lived in the Middle East for 7 years and in all my flights on Saudia, Gulf Air, and other airlines not once did anyone stand up for prayer. Kids running loose, using cell phones in flight, etc. were common, but not standing for prayer. I hope US Airways doesn't cave in.

Posted by: Lee at November 21, 2006 12:59 PM (Ogh6Q)

9 This is just a wild guess but I am thinking that a group of suicide bombers might not be inclined to attract attention before their mission by standing together in the boarding area and praying together. I think that might jeopardize their operational security.
The flight takeoff was delayed over 3 hours, probably quite a few missed connections.

Posted by: John Ryan at November 21, 2006 01:42 PM (TcoRJ)

10 Yeah, I'd be pretty fucking scared if a Christian started loudly praying on my flight. I'd fucking want some air marshal to give him the beat down.

Like it or not, religion is usually why individuals kill large groups of people. Hell, you might have Richard Dawkins on that flight & some nut job fundamentalist descided its worth killing the lot of us to take him out. You saw Jesus Camp right? What do you think they are training these kids for?

Religion is fine for safe situations. But Religion always aludes to extremist behavior. So any religious references are unacceptable in an unsafe situation.

Posted by: Mr. C at November 21, 2006 02:25 PM (cYBtu)

11 Says John "Terrorist Hunter Extraordinaire' Ryan:

One military official, who asked not be named because he is not permitted to speak to reporters, said the bomber shouted "Allahu Akbar," God is Great, before detonating the bomb.

Witnesses claim that one of the bombers chanted "Allahu Akbar" (God is great) before detonating himself.

"They are not tactics previously used by the Chechens," said Russia's prosecutor-general, Vladimir Ustinov, last month after a Chechen woman shrieked "Allahu Akbar" (God is great) before detonating herself under a bus and killing 17 Russian military personnel bound for Chechnya.

Yeah, let's not worry about anyone Islamic chanting on a Plane, please John don't work for the CIA.

Posted by: davec at November 21, 2006 02:31 PM (QkWqQ)

12 If your praying in front of an abortion clinic, no you probably should not just be arrested outright, but the cops ought to question you & search you for weapons. As long as you don't have any weapons & aren't causing a *physical* disturbance they probably ought to let you continue your protest.

An airplane is a much more dangerous place than an abortion clinic & weapons aren't as critical to the danger. Anyone who loudly prays on an airplane ought to be taken off, questioned, and rebooked on another flight. I don't care if they are Muslim, Christian, Aztec, or even Buddhist.

Posted by: Mr. C at November 21, 2006 02:45 PM (cYBtu)

13 You don't have freedom of religion on the deck of someone else's plane. If they don't like you praying on their plane, they are within their rights to throw you off, whether you be Muslim, Christian, or Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Posted by: Michael Hampton at November 21, 2006 03:32 PM (FVbj6)

14 But Religion always aludes to extremist behavior.

What a load of crap. Some of the most extreme people, past and present, haven't been religious at all, but were atheists. In fact, more people have died BY FAR at the hands of atheists.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 21, 2006 05:39 PM (8e/V4)

15 I guess the difference is a Christian terrorist would be going against the teachings of the Christian religion, a Muslim would be fulfilling it.

Posted by: davec at November 21, 2006 06:58 PM (QkWqQ)

16 Chairman Mao, Stalin, Hitler - none of them religious and all of them killers.

Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at November 21, 2006 11:01 PM (fbyrb)

17 Joe I am not sure exactly what you mean by THE teachings of the Christian religion. There seems to be quite a range of what is acceptable behavior. Quite frankly the only thing they seem to be putting an effort into nowadays is in regulating the sexual behavior.
If you could give me a quote from Jesus on when it is acceptable to kill I would like to hear it.
Also Dave I think that this is going to turn out to be a case where people over reacted. That has happened before. It took us 40 years before we were ready to apologize for interning the Japanese who were American citizens in WWII. Sometimes in these situations common sense has to be used, I don't think it was in this case.
Also Davec please don't work for the CIA. If you did you would probably "cook the books" to show something that was never there, like the WMD. Doing things like that would hurt the security of these United States, not improve it

Posted by: John Ryan at November 22, 2006 10:24 AM (TcoRJ)

18 With yesterdayâ€™s news story in mind, I wanted to give you a few facts weâ€™ve found in our studies. A lot of opinion is floating around, so here are some facts. While Americans were more likely to favor stricter security measures directly after 9/11, there is still some concern today. Half of Americans say there is no excuse for the racial profiling of African Americans, but two-thirds say greater scrutiny of Middle Eastern people is "understandable." Check out more information on this topic at http://www.publicagenda.org/issues/red_flags.cfm?issue_type=race#profiling.

Posted by: William at November 22, 2006 11:15 AM (BCjl6)

19 John Ryan:
wtf are you talking about?
You're constantly ignoring the Elephant in the room, when you're not doing that -- you're making nonsensical links like being detained at an airport vs. internment camps.
I also find it ironic that you Liberals are constantly invoking Jesus, and murder/killing and totally ignore the parts about Gods wrath, where he promises to destroy people and countries, does he fit the picture of Jesus as a hippy spreading love, you people like to paint?

I find it ironic that a person that thinks the domestic murder rate is more a threat than international Islamic terrorism, despite it being in almost every country would tell me about 'cooking intelligence' to be rich.

Posted by: davec at November 22, 2006 11:47 AM (QkWqQ)

20 It was funny on the Lebanese assassination thread you wrote:
Just when the conditions in Lebanon really seemed to be improving , that nation again fell apart.

Ignoring the Elephant again John? The fact that the Lebanese Government allowed Hezbollah to amass rockets and missiles, and militarize their border despite being told to remove them by the U.N and secure their own border, ignores that and then does nothing while the same cross the border, and commit an act of war, against another nation and kidnap their soldiers seem "improved" to you John, really? I guess the fact that the Government cannot control Hezbollah, and allows it's people to suffer bombardments and destruction because of it, is lost on you?
As I said before, did you see pictures of coffeeshops, and children flying kites and think everything was OK?

Posted by: davec at November 22, 2006 11:56 AM (QkWqQ)

21 "you might have Richard Dawkins on that flight & some nut job fundamentalist descided its worth killing the lot of us to take him out."

Bad example. Richard Dawkins advocates outlawing religion.

Posted by: pst314 at November 22, 2006 12:04 PM (lCxSZ)

22 Hitler was quite clearly chrisitian, even the pope gave him partial authority over apointments of bisops within Germany. Never really sure why people claim he wasn't christian. Heck, I've even seen people claimed he worshiped Norse pagan gods. But the only really consistant story is that he remained quite officially tieed to the catholic church.

Stalin's religious isn't known but his actions are clearly those of a leader who wished to bring religion under his control not eliminate it, i.e. Stalin is closest to Constantine I and Henry VIII.

Mao was very likely atheist, Chinese leaders have tended to actually believe whatever they are preaching. Funny story, most deaths caused by Mao were simply due to the arrogance & stupidity of the Great Leap Forward, and not the normal sort of killings. So Mao should be remembered mostly for stupidity.

But all such things are moot point for two reasons:

First, communism itself was a belief featuring many features of religion. I'd be pretty worried if another person on my flight stood up and started yelling about oppression by capitalism too.

Second, we're talking about extremist behavior, not state sanctioned mass murder. As I said before, Religion always aludes to extremist behavior. Doesn't mean all religious people are extremists, but the allusion is there. So it doesn't belong on an airplane.

Posted by: Mr. C at November 22, 2006 02:39 PM (cYBtu)

23 I also saw something about calling for Muslims to boycott USAir. That leads me to two thoughts.

1) Make a point of flying USAir whenever possible -- and tell them it is because they take the terrorist threat seriously.

2) I'd love to see (but won't, because it is clearly illegal) USAir announce that in response it is going to boycott all Muslims -- passengers, employees, vendors, contractors, etc.

Posted by: Rhymes With Right at November 22, 2006 06:44 PM (tdsAK)

24 John Ryan: I believe those that give comfort and aid to the enemy are as bad as the enemy. You and puddleduck fall in that category. You may not believe it. Many people are devoid of common sense. Common sense is not measued and that is sad. Academia will not get you anywhere without it. Common sense will allow one to figure the other guys reaction. Friend or foe. What you, Greg and puddleduck do is give hope to the enemy. They read this blog. When they do, some idiot with a rag on his head knowingly strokes his beard and says we have friends in America (fools or not). We will win. Therefore: You and yours are my enemy. Meaning to or not has nothing to do with it. I don't hate a rabid dog but he is a threat to me and mine and I will blow his head off.

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Help!!! I'm Being Repressed!!! Come See the Violence Inherent in the System!!!

Looks to me like this kid, Mostafa, is trolling for a juicy civil rights lawsuit. Apparently, a library staffer approached him and asked for his student ID. He refused to show it and the university cops asked him to leave the library. Then Mostafa starts in with this:

Here's your PATRIOT ACT!!!
Here's your fucking ABUSE OF POWER!!!
I SAID I WOULD LEAVE!!!
I SAID... I WOULD LEAVE!!!

He repeatedly claims he's trying to leave, but he's apparently trying to exit the library through a secret trap door, because he spends most of the time lying on the floor. Along the way, the cops hit him with a taser...

I got tased for no reason!
I was leaving this GOD-FORSAKEN place!
You stopped me!
You're abusing your power!
Here's your justice and where the university stinks.
Fuck off!

Michelle has more.

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1 Well, the dumbass deserved being tased. But after the first 3 or 4 "STAND UP!" commands it should have been clear to the cops that they just needed to drag him out. A quick exit would have saved them a lot of grief from the student mob that gathered.

As a cop I'm dumbfounded why these cops stayed in the library so long after handcuffing this guy. They should have continued to give the commands of, "STOP STRUGGLING SIR," and "STAND UP SIR," and "SIR, QUIT FIGHTING US," all the while dragging his butt quickly out of there.

It was very stupid and an "Officer Safety" issue to prolong the event, especially in front of college students. Everyone knows that young adults can quickly lash out at authority. ESPECIALLY if they perceive (even if they perceive it wrongly) authority figures abusing their power. They don't/won't care if they're wrong or right. Plus you have to factor in the "Mob Mentality!" And I now that's in every cop's basic police academy.

These cops working on a college campus should have had training in dealing with situatins such as this. They should have quickly removed the guy. Prolonging the event and allowing themselves to become surrounded by a hostile crowd was stupid and dangerous. They're lucky that things didn't get a lot worse. It had the potential for a mob rush at the cops and people (cops included) getting severley injured or even killed. STUPID STUPID STUPID!

Personally I'm glad that I don't (havent, and will never) work with those idiots.

Yeah, I agree, dumbass deserved getting his ass shocked a couple of times for not complying. But those cops need some remedial training and probably letters of reprimand.

Just the opinions of an old cop.

~V5

Posted by: V5 at November 17, 2006 01:43 AM (Pp32v)

2 Also, see the comments left by another cop on Michelle Malkin's site about this issue.

(Sorry for plugging her site. I wouldn't have done it, except you had already linked to her in the original post.)

~V5

Posted by: V5 at November 17, 2006 02:10 AM (Pp32v)

3 So several students just happen to be on hand to protest, this idiot has a cheering section that want the officers badge numbers, and the cameraman (who just happens to be on site) manages to point the camera at everyone but those in question (judging by the audio, it sounds like this idiot is being tortured, but sounds can be deceiving) so we never relly see what happens. Staged event anyone?

Posted by: JC at November 17, 2006 05:04 AM (1ISxl)

4 I'm not even a cop and I thought they handled it poorly. If your
child behaves badly in a store, you calmly remove them from the store
and let them throw their tantrum in the parking lot (or take them home)
rather than allow them to disrupt things for everyone else.
That's parenting 101. Seems it would apply here too. His
name is <ustafa? Wanna bet he has a CAIR membership card in
his wallet nest to his library vard?

Posted by: Oyster at November 17, 2006 05:07 AM (YudAC)

5 Oh jeez. I just went to Malkins link and sure enough. There's CAIR!

Posted by: Oyster at November 17, 2006 05:09 AM (YudAC)

6 I'm generally reluctant to second-guess cops, and I'm particularly disinclined to do so when they are following their training. That means I'm not passing judgment on these cops until I know what they were trained to do.

A showing that a cop strictly and professionally followed the training he'd been given is pretty much a "get out of trouble free" card in my book--even if that led to a silly result in a particular case.

If the training was followed, but it was wrong, someone up the chain deserves to pay the price--not the cop.

There are exceptions, but that's my background rule.

So, for all we know, the UCLA cops have an ironclad rule that you never drag anyone out of a building. If there is a rule like that, and the cops followed it, I'm not going to second-guess that decision.

Posted by: Ragnar, the All-Seeing Pirate at November 17, 2006 05:59 AM (YVEF5)

7 Islam has had a lot of bad press the past week or so. Gotta balance the news scales by shoving down our throats over and over and over again a muslim being victimized by the evil American Gestapo.

Posted by: Mrs Abe Froman at November 17, 2006 07:11 AM (BUbza)

8 Just think if Mostafa wasn't in this country, there wouldn't have been a problem.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 17, 2006 08:05 AM (R6qo5)

9 "So, for all we know, the UCLA cops have an ironclad rule that you never drag anyone out of a building. If there is a rule like that, and the cops followed it, I'm not going to second-guess that decision." ~ Ragnar

Ragnar,

I'm not trying to shoot you down or be an ass, so please don't take it that way. because I certainly understand your point.

However, if they have such a rule, and they followed it, then it should be reevaluated because in this situation it could have gotten some cops injured. Remember, Nazi War Criminals claimed they were just following orders. Policies/Rules are just a written set of orders.

Yeah, I know, that's a huge stretch between the two, but the analogy is the same... you just don't follow bad orders or policies.

I can -sort of- understand if it was a group of newbie cops. They tend to be a little unsure of themselves and will follow policy to the "T" even if it causes more problems than it cures.

One of the most important things that I was taught in the Army and in the Police Academy is that rules are not set in stone and they can't cover every situation. You can break them if you have to, but you better be able to explain why.

In this particular case they needed to quickly subdue, and carry if neccessary, the subject out of the library before things got out of hand. Once other students began to mob up the officers should have seen that and rcognized it for what it was... an extremely volatile situation that had the potential to get cops and students injured or killed.

I don't find fault with the cops for arresting and using the taser on the guy. The problem is with their actions afterwards. You just can't stand there and shock a guy multiple times in front of a crowd of people. Especially in this day and age on a college campus.

Read what another cop wrote (and Michelle Malkin posted) on her site.

Again, I'm not trying to shoot your posting down, because you make perfect sense. But there are times when following policy can get you hurt. And in those cases the cops have a responsibility to "think on their feet" to get the situation under control. Even if it means leeaving the building quickly.

~V5

Posted by: V5 at November 17, 2006 08:14 AM (Pp32v)

10 Everyone assumes he was getting tased, but actually 'Drive Stun' mode, which is the mode he was getting hit with, is quite typically used for as a 'pain compliance stimuli' and not a 'disabling shock' Without the probes, you don't get the same disabling effect, and its more like a 'cattle prod' sort of thing.

Plus even with probes, its not 'disabling for 15 minutes' or whatever. I've been hit quite a few times with them, in quick succession in training. Yes it hurts. Yes it sucks to get hit by them. No its not long term disabling (generally speaking, presuming you aren't jacked up on coke or something and have a heart attack).

Posted by: Buddy at November 17, 2006 08:44 AM (aGQVo)

11 P.S. Sorry about the punctuation and spelling errors. I'm now a disabled (quadriplegic) veteran and it's difficult to type. Sometimes I don't press keys hard enough and sometimes I hit them to hard or punch extra ones.

Usually I use a spell checker program but in this case I just typed directly into the comments section. I should have gone back and re-read what I typed, but didn't think about it. I'm blaming it on lack of coffee in my system this morning. LOL

~V5

Posted by: V5 at November 17, 2006 08:53 AM (Pp32v)

12 Democrats going nuts, what's new there. The sanity of these people is slipping away.

Posted by: bill at November 17, 2006 09:09 AM (7evkT)

13 I blame Bush ;-)

Posted by: Oyster at November 17, 2006 09:24 AM (UeUAE)

14 I do ... wait, do you mean for the taser incident, my paralysis, or both? ;-) LOL

Posted by: V5 at November 17, 2006 09:44 AM (Pp32v)

15 I blame global warming, as I just got back from freezing my ass off on the deer stand.

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 17, 2006 09:46 AM (8PoNP)

16 Wow, if that's what the patriot act is about then yes, I'm for it. Probably the first life lesson learned by "poor" little Mustafa.

Posted by: Buzzy at November 17, 2006 09:55 AM (CXz7T)

17 Joe, Any luck?

Buzzy, I agree. LOL

Posted by: V5 at November 17, 2006 10:09 AM (Pp32v)

18 I blame Bush ;-)

You can't ... he's doing duty in 'Nam. Finally.

Posted by: Gleep! at November 17, 2006 10:09 AM (a7sMc)

19 Saw several, but not the one I wanted. I was underdressed.

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 17, 2006 10:12 AM (8PoNP)

20 I know this a terrible liberal question, but I'll risk it.
If you insist of hunting for Bambi's family, do you actually eat what you kill? Kill it and grill it kind of thing? Or do you just take enough home to hang on the wall and call it good.
Just curious.

Posted by: No Fear at November 17, 2006 10:26 AM (ZQepB)

21 Every delicious bite, NoFear. As a matter of fact, I cut as much of the deer as possible into steak, then use all the remaining meat to make either hamburger or sausage, which is my favorite. Sausage with absolutely no fat, it is the best I've ever had. I might just send you some if I can just get one more deer. My oldest son will be home from college next week, and he's a patient hunter, so we should have at least one more.

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 17, 2006 10:37 AM (8PoNP)

22 This incident is totally Mostafa's fault. He broke the rules and then baited the police by not complying when asked. I think he was set up to this by CAIR.

Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at November 17, 2006 10:52 AM (bF+Yg)

23 Joe,

I used to hunt all the time. My family owned acreage in South Eastern Ohio. We planted small plots of corn, milo, clover, and other things that deer love. No soy bean though. It's great for making big antlers but I don't like the taste of a deer that's been eating it.

Mostly I hunted yearling does or button bucks, and the occasional spike. Much more tender and not as gamey since they're to young to go into eustrus or rut.

But, never fear, I wouldn't pass up a monster rack. LOL

I'm partial to Summer Sausage, jerky, and chilli. But I also love a good deer steak on the grill (over hickory or apple wood, and sometimes cherry.)

Or shake and bake -just mix flour, salt + pepper, and whatever other spices you like, in a bag, add the meat and shake until well coated- then fried in an iron skillet. It comes out similar to country fried steak.

Great meat and very lean.

Posted by: V5 at November 17, 2006 11:30 AM (Pp32v)

24 How the hell did he pass a university entrance exam if he can't understand the words "stand up"? And his TOEFL score was.....0? Stupid and lacking an ability to listen to authority. Hmmm. Heroic Dreamer, I think you're right but I think he probably is a member or qualifies as a member of CAIR.

Posted by: Big White Infidel at November 17, 2006 11:36 AM (oun+N)

25 I'm glad JJ. I have known hunters in the past who claim they kill for the sport of it===
While we are off the subject. I have a proposal for you. suggested idea or plan: a suggestion or intention, especially one put forward formally or officially.
Not the other kind of proposal. I really don't need to be told to go find puddleduck and have him fuck me in the ass.
What I propose is this. Come to my forum. Talk to them like you do to me. "Reasonable thought". (Yes I saw that, thankyou.)
There are so many really intelligent people there, and some assholes too. Just like here.
Exchange ideas. Communicate with them just like you do with me. Change your nick if you like, just say something to let me know you were there. I can't always be on-line, I'm busy too, but I'll private message you, pm if you will, and then check back. Let me know what you think.
Hey, what do you really have to lose?
www.newshounds.us Go to the tab Forum at the top of the page and register.
Or not. It's up to you.

Posted by: No Fear at November 17, 2006 11:45 AM (ZQepB)

It's my hope that you do. And NO. I am not trying recruit you to the Dark Side. It's a sincere invitation.

Posted by: No Fear at November 17, 2006 11:48 AM (ZQepB)

27 Or just raise hell, that's fun too. Puddleduck is there. As a matter of fact he's devoted several threads to mypetjawa. Curious? Hmmm?

Posted by: No Fear at November 17, 2006 12:03 PM (ZQepB)

28 <sigh> Go to the top of the page where it says forum. Hit that tab, register and your in.

Posted by: No Fear at November 17, 2006 12:09 PM (ZQepB)

29 Excerpted and linked. They shouldn't really have tased him in the library. They should have drug him outside and kicked the shit out of him.

Posted by: Bill Faith at November 17, 2006 12:55 PM (n7SaI)

30 How did the cameraman know to be there at such a time?

Posted by: RepJ at November 17, 2006 01:53 PM (L5LRS)

31 RepJ: good question. I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that the cameraman was a member of CAIR, and that he knew Mostafa.

Maybe CAIR is testing the response patterns of the campus police to see how much they can get away with.

Or maybe this is just Mostafa's way of earning tuition money. A fireman in LA just won a 2.7 milliion dollars settlement with the LA City Council by accusing the fire dept. of racism. The Council settled without a trial even though it seems there was little merit to the case.

Or maybe it's a political ploy by the Muslim Student Association to put the UCLA campus on the defense regarding "racism" or "profiling. "

Before everyone focuses on the cops and the cops' "misbehavior," I think it would be smart to identify Mostafa, and the camerman. And their relationship to CAIR.

Maybe Mostafa is mentally ill.

I'm not saying Mostafa wasn't
just an innocent, forgetful student who just didn't happen have his
ID. Maybe he didn't want to leave the library because he had a project
due the next day.

But , on the other hand, it isn't reasonable to assume that a student - studying quietly in the library past 11 o'clock at night - suddenly is angry enough to bait the campus police and force a physical confrontation.

Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at November 17, 2006 02:40 PM (bF+Yg)

32 I blame the conservative voters.

Posted by: The All-Seeing Pirate Ragnar at November 17, 2006 02:46 PM (c/4ax)

33 I would think he would be grateful that the 21st century is here because in 20th century we had real guns. I suspect he will not and I unfortunately am not either. Oh for the good old days, these pieces of crap would not think to create any situation for fear of being shot by the cops. I miss the good old days(sighs).

Posted by: Rightmom at November 17, 2006 02:52 PM (0lpqx)

34 I thought Greg lived in Texas...?

Posted by: Max Power at November 17, 2006 03:42 PM (R4293)

35 Yoa Paypuys Pleaze!
Paypuhs Pleaze!

Posted by: Greg at November 17, 2006 05:07 PM (v7DMp)

36 V5 -

I appreciate the comment. I think the cops' training probably does need to be revisited.

I'm just saying that I'll give the cops a pass if they followed their training. As you probably know, cops often don't have a lot of control of the situations in which they find themselves. Some are almost guaranteed to end badly.

I'd hate to be the cop who gets busted one week for blindly following procedure and not "using common sense" and then fired the next week for "deviating from the established procedure."

Knowing bureaucrats, I could totally see that happening.

Posted by: The All-Seeing Pirate Ragnar at November 17, 2006 05:11 PM (c/4ax)

37 "I'd hate to be the cop who gets busted one week for blindly following procedure and not "using common sense" and then fired the next week for "deviating from the established procedure.""~Ragnar

Ragnar,

I've seen it happen. On the other hand the two cops in particular that I'm thinking of never used good common sense to begin with.

Several different times their refusal to break the rules -or other times their refusal to abide by the rules- turned a bad situation into a really horrible situation with civilians and cops alike getting injured.

Good common sense is an officer's best weapon. If you don't have it you'll end up getting yourself or someone else killed. Fortunately, after a lot of complaints from the rest of us, those two were fired.

I hated to be a part of it, but I had a wife and kid to go home to every night, and I wasn't going to miss that for any dumbass.

~V5

Posted by: V5 at November 17, 2006 05:38 PM (Pp32v)

38 That Mustafa guy could have been downloading instructions on how to build a dirty bomb, and those nieve, ignorant college students would have stuck up for him nonetheless. He should have gotten some stick time.

Posted by: Jack's Smirking Revenge at November 17, 2006 05:49 PM (CtVG6)

39 Here's your PATRIOT ACT!!!

roflmao!!! Bunch of drama queens.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 18, 2006 12:05 AM (yJKSD)

40 No Fear, regarding hunting.

You seem to be like my 'nice' liberal friends. I live in Montana, and we are very close to the wild here, no matter where in the state you go. I haven't hunted in years but I wanted to say a couple things. I hope this is useful.

You can hunt for sport, and still be using the meat, and hide from your prey. If you have too much for yourself, you can give it to the food bank, or a church or other charity. In almost every case, the animal would have been hunted by another animal, or died and been eaten by worms anyway.

A friend of mine was tracking a bear that doubled back on him. It snatched his leg from cover, and ripped his boot off in peices while my friend emptied a rifle into it. He wasn't badly hurt, but it was close. That counts as hunting for sport, and the bear tasted fine. Not like Bambi, but good anyway. The bear was put to better use than as worm food.

My Dad used to be able to apply for a Grizzly license. They were available in limited numbers yers ago, and you had to have a little luck. It was well understood that if he ever bagged one, we would not be wasting any, but there was no mistaking the sportsmaship involved.

Even with a large calibre rifle, hunting a grizzly is not an ordinary thrill. The Lewis and Clark expedition needed multiple rifle shots to down a grizzly on their trip. If you can't shoot straight, you better not bother in the first place.

When the animal dies in the wild, it decomposes as expected. If a hunter bags the animal instead, the hides and racks (antlers) can be prepared by a taxidermist, and if you don't want the trophy, or rug, or whatever, it can be donated to a raffle. You can still eat the meat, or give it away to charity.
Hope this helps.

USA all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at November 18, 2006 01:05 AM (2OHpj)

41 Mustafa reminds me why we used to tackle shop lifters where I used to work. We had an employee in a neck brace for months because a thief with $5 worth of summer sausage stuffed in his pants decided to get violent,instead of walkng into the nice room, and waiting for the cops.

We also had meth-heads stealing the cold medicine, and thinking they were God when you tried to catch them. One time a meth-head acting out ...
'You can't touch me! You got no right to stop me, your not a cop!' and that sort of thing. He actually wanted the escalation. He wanted it to get physical.

Anyway, we tackled anyone who was even a little physically resistant. Fewer people got hurt that way.

Oh yeah, and don't make the cops in a small town mad.

USA all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at November 18, 2006 01:21 AM (2OHpj)

42 Michael Weaver , yes it helps. I don't support killing to kill. I own a gun for protection. But there are too many that go out and "Rumble in the Jungle", for reasons other than yours. Thank you for the insite and the time you took to give it.

Posted by: No Fear at November 18, 2006 09:19 AM (ZQepB)

43 AHHH! Christmas comes early! A hostile muslim gets a taser dose not once, but 3 or more times! Apparently only on the "minor discomfort" setting, but it's not polite to insult a gift. His girlish screaming and sobbing is sweeter to my ears than a Christmas carol. I finally get some value for my tax dollars sucked up by higher indoctrination education.

Best of all, I can replay it as often as I want.

If only the cops had tazed the PC crowd of snot-nosed students who tried to help him cause trouble. That would have been a keeper for my video library.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 18, 2006 06:46 PM (bLPT+)

44 No Fear

My pleasure. Glad to hear your a reasonable gun owner.

The FBI did a study that shows shot placement is vital to stopping a violent attacker before he can hurt you. if the wound isn't immediatly debilitating, you can still get hurt by your attacker. Stay in practice.

If you have to shoot, don't shoot them in the leg. My wife thought that would be OK till I showed her the FBI report.

Have a great day.

USA all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at November 19, 2006 02:22 PM (2OHpj)

45 Michael: Experience has shown me you are right on. Don't wish to rehash. If your interested perhaps you can find my incident in the archives on this blog. I always carry a 5 shot 22 mag because (1) It's so small you can't tell I have it. (2) really don't wish to kill anyone. I figure one in the knee will stop anyone. What I learned is, not if they shoot you in the stomach first. My attacker, during a mugging in New Orleans ended up with a bullet in the ass as he ran. Dummy went to hospital the next day and was arrested. He's now doing life in Angola for several crimes. The other one got away and was killed by the police in Houma, la. a month later during a robbery. I spent four months in the hospital and six months in a wheel chair. Amazing thing is I still carry the same 22 mag because I would still rather wound than kill. However, I can go to my car and come up with something else.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 21, 2006 08:49 AM (Mgy1K)

46 Michael: Montana. I love it up there. Planning a trip down the rockies next early June before the tourist rush. Going to work my way down the rockies starting in Banff. Then Glacier, then Yellowstone, then Tetons. Made the trip 20 yrs ago and really enjoyed the wildlife and big sky.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 21, 2006 08:53 AM (Mgy1K)

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November 10, 2006

Al Qaeda Applauds Democratic Victory

I love the argument that al Qaeda somehow supports Bush because invading Afghanistan and Iraq was exactly what they wanted. Right. And Roosevelt played right into the hands of the Japanese by responding to Pearl Harbor.

It's more than bizarro world logic, it simply overlooks the facts. I've read dozens and dozens of al Qaeda statements and they are consistent in that they want the U.S. to withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan. Not stay there!

The goal of al Qaeda in Iraq is the setting up of a Taliban-like state. In fact, most Americans are not aware that the group formerly known as the Mujahidin Shura Council, of which al Qaeda is a member, has just changed its name to "The Islamic State of Iraq." That's right, the al Qaeda umbrella organization is now calling itself a shadow government waiting for the U.S. to withdraw.

The latest communique from al Qaeda in Iraq applauds the American people for the first step in reaching their goals: voting for the Democrats. Of course, they then go on to say they will not be satisfied until they have blown up the White House.

I pray that many in the sane wing of the Democratic party who are not critical of the mission but only the failed tactics of the Bush Administration will win the day.

Oh, and Iran's ruling Mullahs also extend a laurel and a hardy handshake to what they see as the party of appeasers.

Click below for video.

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1 Well the hope of Iraq being a "shining beacon of democracy in the Mid-East" seems to be a rather distant memory.
But it proving a lot harder to get out of Baghdad than it was to get into Baghdad.

Posted by: John Ryan at November 10, 2006 03:05 PM (TcoRJ)

2 Not if your party has it's way John, they'll make the fall of Saigon look like the Teddy bears picnic.

Posted by: davec at November 10, 2006 03:12 PM (QkWqQ)

We can leave Iraq, and the jihadists will still attack us. Just like they did prior to 9/11. You would think John would know this, dave, but alas, he just can't do the math.

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 10, 2006 03:27 PM (8PoNP)

4 hahahahaga we won hahagaga now is time to bring the troops home oh we are going for the presidentcy in your face bitch!

Posted by: hi at November 10, 2006 03:35 PM (VrRa7)

5 sorry, was that maniacal laughter, or were you choking on cum?

Posted by: davec at November 10, 2006 03:37 PM (QkWqQ)

6 The math Joe ? The math tells me that I am in more danger from my fellow citizens than from foreign terrorists, Americans murder 15000 of their own each year. People on this blog are constantly threatening to kill all those who disagree with them. Others openly support the murder of their fellow citizens by the insurgents if they do not approve of their politics. Such as the christian peacemakers. Fear of fanatics chanting in the streets ? The Iranians have been doing that for 3 decades.
Dave the people of these United States no longer support or approve of our actions in Iraq.
The only thing that remains is to somehow redefine "victory' so that we can leave. Just as we had to do in Vietnam.

Posted by: John Ryan at November 10, 2006 04:08 PM (TcoRJ)

7 Dave the people of these United States no longer support or approve of our actions in Iraq.

Ever heard the term 'You break it, You buy it? John? I know you guys are eager for the mass killing of the Sunni's to begin, so you can further say the War in Iraq is a failure, but perhaps some perspective.
Do you think that the Republicans want the troops in Iraq forever John? or just long enough to get the Government into position that we can redeploy without mass graves being filled? Your BDS seems to inhibit your reasoning, we leave - genocide against the Sunni's first, then maybe the Kurds second will begin, the Iraqi Military obviously is not up to the job yet, to protect their citizens.
I do not support the U.S being in Iraqi a minute longer than the Iraqi Government being able to survive without the U.S help.
Insurgents filled the void created by the destruction of lawful authority, the possibility is, if we pull out premature they will topple the Government, and setup shop.

Posted by: davec at November 10, 2006 04:27 PM (QkWqQ)

8 Yeah, well, John, I'm not so sure about your math. The possibility of you being randomly murdered in New York is much higher than here in Russellville, Ar., I suppose, but you are not likely to be killed by terrorists or murdered by gangsters. I was referring to massive attacks that are bound to occur here in the US when the terrorists settle in. I'm absolutely sure they will be allowed to enter the country, probably claiming they face persecution in their home countries.

I'm also quite sure the math favored those poor people in the WTC, but you see how that worked out for them, now don't you, John?

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 10, 2006 04:40 PM (8PoNP)

9 the terrorists love democrats - the military hates democrats. seems like a win win for terrorists. i dont think anyone else wins.

Posted by: peej at November 10, 2006 04:41 PM (JkDQQ)

10 the terrorists love democrats - the military hates democrats. seems like a win win for terrorists. i dont think anyone else wins.

Posted by: peej at November 10, 2006 04:41 PM (JkDQQ)

11 John Ryan: "The math tells me that I am in more danger from my fellow citizens than from foreign terrorists"

This statement is just plain idiotic. There are way too many unknown variables for anyone to say what the future in this regard.

Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at November 10, 2006 05:40 PM (bF+Yg)

12 In 2003 there were 6,328,000 car accidents in the US. There were 2.9 million injuries and 42,643 people were killed in auto accidents.
I assume by your logic John of not fighting terrorism because it doesn't affect you, you'll be walking everywhere -- it's much safer, statistically speaking of course?

Posted by: davec at November 10, 2006 06:00 PM (QkWqQ)

13 I don't know why the military would hate Democrats.

It was the Democrats in congress, like John Kerry and Murtha, that fought to get protective armor for the troops and their HumVees, when the GOP was trying to cut military funding so it could fund bridges to nowhere.

Seems that the GOP has taken a ride on that bridge, now.

Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 10, 2006 06:47 PM (fMHQi)

John Murtha is senile, and we know what the soldiers think about Jon Cary, they showed that last week, in one of the funniest photos ever. I'm still chuckling about that.

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 10, 2006 08:48 PM (8PoNP)

15 Americans murder 15000 of their own each year.

Interesting how you can be so casual about the death toll in America just to prove a point, yet so hysterical about the death toll in Iraq (eto prove the exact opposite point). A perfect example of how severe a mental disorder Liberalism is.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 11, 2006 12:15 AM (8e/V4)

hahahahahaha we lost john in your face bitch is over deal with it we are bringing the troops home hahahahahha bitch in your mom's face

Posted by: hi at November 11, 2006 01:23 AM (VrRa7)

17 This is news? Each side has been supporting the other for several years now.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 11, 2006 10:46 AM (v3I+x)

18 the democrats and armor!! hahah dont get me started!!!

Posted by: DAT at November 11, 2006 01:10 PM (jtbcH)

19 The answer is simple puddleduck. Just as John Kerry pointed out inadvertadly. They may have a lot of valor and bravery and good intentions, but they don't have a going upstairs.

Posted by: Last laugh Larry at November 11, 2006 11:26 PM (TmhhK)

20 yeah Larry, soldiers are the dumb0rz!!11!!
Except when they have a higher education that most of the civilian population on average:

so shut the fuck up moron.

Posted by: davec at November 12, 2006 12:11 AM (QkWqQ)

21 can't embed the webpage:
http://www.dod.mil/prhome/poprep2002/chapter3/c3_education.htm

Posted by: davec at November 12, 2006 12:12 AM (QkWqQ)

22 Have I mentioned lately that a good lefturd is a dead one? Shouldn't be long now...

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 12, 2006 05:18 PM (v3I+x)

23 Democrats supported Bush to invade Iraq, so they are morally responsible as well. So if they "cut and run" and we see the Islamic empire expand under the Iranian/Syrian religious state rule? do not rule out a worse scenario like nukes for Iraq via Iran...and terrorist recruitment like we have never see before...So what will happen in Afghanistan/ nobody seems to worry about the terroists there??mmm very quite, and terrosits safe haven Pakistan??? mmmm
No ..Democrats will need to tred lightly, on withdrawal , if they screw, just for political points they will be just like 1968, the parrallels are very much like Vietnam..both politically and socially-"History repeats???
Short memories 9-11? SS cole? usa embassies? bali bombing?

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November 09, 2006

Anti-War Protester Kills Self, Nation Applauds

What do you call a protester who sets himself on fire to atone for America's sins in Iraq? A good protester.

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1 You know Rusty I can still remember when you came back from the job interview and questioned whether you were not hired because of your political stance in the left-wing world of academia.

Posted by: john ryan at November 09, 2006 03:34 PM (TcoRJ)

2 Rusty,
You are a disgusting man.

Posted by: Greg at November 09, 2006 04:14 PM (v7DMp)

3 No great loss...

Posted by: Jack's Smirking Revenge at November 09, 2006 04:14 PM (CtVG6)

4 Of all the foolish things one can do .....

Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at November 09, 2006 04:17 PM (vixLB)

5 "He'll get you too, Malachi."

Posted by: Vinnie at November 09, 2006 04:24 PM (/qy9A)

6 What do you call a protester who sets himself on fire to atone for America's sins in Iraq?

A Liberal doing his part for global warming.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 09, 2006 04:49 PM (8e/V4)

7 Greg, you are a disgusting shemale.

John Ryan, I never said anything of the sort. This is what I said.

Posted by: Rusty at November 09, 2006 04:57 PM (JQjhA)

8 Rusty, you're such a tease. For a second, you had my hopes up, thinking it was Cindy Sheehan. Drat.

Posted by: PK at November 09, 2006 05:25 PM (hph70)

9 John got his math a little confused, Rusty, and his sides. Brings to mind Dave Chapelles routine just prior to the fight on the bridge in Robin Hood, Men in Tights.

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 09, 2006 05:47 PM (8PoNP)

10 come on now, this guy was alight for the world, that provided illumination

Posted by: davec at November 09, 2006 06:05 PM (QkWqQ)

11 Rusty,
I canâ€™t wait until Impy goes off and youâ€™re charged and convicted with accessory to murder.

Posted by: Greg at November 09, 2006 06:16 PM (19GwZ)

12 Greg wrote: "Rusty, I canâ€™t wait until Impy goes off and youâ€™re charged and convicted with accessory to murder."

This statement reveals quite a lot about you, Greg.

You are a sick man.

Posted by: Dill Doe at November 09, 2006 06:42 PM (HSkSw)

13 And your avitar says it all, Dildo.

Posted by: Greg at November 09, 2006 06:50 PM (19GwZ)

14 It is clear that he wants to die for the sins of the United States.

boo hoo. I feel so guilty about supporting the Iraq invasion.

psyche!

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 09, 2006 06:55 PM (8e/V4)

15 I am Dill Doe, but your shemale pussy-ass, I may be your greatest fantasy.

Posted by: Dill Doe at November 09, 2006 07:00 PM (HSkSw)

16 Oh, on I burn
Fuel is pumping engines
Burning hard
Loose and clean
Oh, and on I burn
Churning my direction
Quench my thirst with gasoline
So gimme fuel
Gimme fire
Gimme that which I desire

Posted by: PK at November 09, 2006 07:21 PM (hph70)

17 You celebrate the deaths of anyone who disagrees with you.
And you are a righteous people?
How does that make you Christian or even human?

Posted by: Greg at November 09, 2006 07:47 PM (19GwZ)

18 Greg wrote: "Rusty, I canâ€™t wait until Impy goes off and youâ€™re charged and convicted with accessory to murder."

What kind of sick fantasy is this? You "can't wait" for something terrible to happen, solely to satisfy your sick personal fantasy?

What kind of sicko are you?

Posted by: Dill Doe at November 09, 2006 08:14 PM (HSkSw)

19 You're already accessories to murder.

Posted by: Greg at November 09, 2006 08:52 PM (19GwZ)

20 Can't be Greg. You're still breathing and nobody here takes you seriously enough to bother with.
Rusty, when are you going to start posting the info on the trolls?
I'm hungry damn it!

The tard who cooked himself...
Screw him.
Sounds a lot like the Liberals here in the States.
Well... Except they don't have the balls to kill themselves. They only know how to quit and surrender.

Posted by: dick at November 09, 2006 09:01 PM (MeFt3)

21 Greg, you dumpster-diving hippie beatnick, don't go accusing people of murder. You're a certified lunatic, and should be committed alongside Ted Rall to cleaning military toilets for the rest of your life for your slander of our military.

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 09, 2006 09:09 PM (8PoNP)

22 You are accessories, not the military. They do as they are told.

Posted by: Greg at November 09, 2006 09:49 PM (19GwZ)

23 Greg, you need help. Call 9-11 before it is too late. Bellevue has room for you, I know it. Just call. Hurry! But don't try to force the taxpayer to pay for your sex change operation. That would be wrong. But we will pay for the mental help you need.

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 09, 2006 09:59 PM (8PoNP)

24 You celebrate the deaths of anyone who disagrees with you.

Greg,

he's just another one of the countless "victims" you people have held out in front of you as human shields so that nobody can criticize you. We're not impressed.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 09, 2006 10:36 PM (8e/V4)

25 And Joe I was going to try and bring some math into it...... but so close to the election.... Ithought it might be too hurtfull

Posted by: John Ryan at November 10, 2006 12:15 AM (TcoRJ)

26 Shame that a poor soul gets so brain washed by the lefturds that he would kill himself. To bad he didn't take some of his brothers with him.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 10, 2006 12:49 AM (iEtob)

27 Now he's a good lefturd!

Gregturd, you're just a chickenlib, and if you had an ounce of balls,
you'd follow this brave man's example in speaking truth to power. Also,
if you think that anything Rusty or anyone else says can influence me
to act in any way whatsoever, then you must think I'm as stupid as you
and your fellow lefturd actually are, because unlike you, I have the
capacity to think for myself and exercise it every day, rather than
repeating others' words and congratulating oneself on one's cut-N-paste
skills, as you and your ilk are wont to do, being incapable of original
thought and utterly lacking any critical reasoning skills whatsoever.

You're all nothing but sheep masquarading as wolves, but your bleating
gives you away, and the only danger you pose, which is great enough, is
that your herd, in stampeding toward the precipice, might sweep away
all others in your path. If you want to destroy yourselves, then you
have my support and gratitude, but please, follow this one man's
example and don't get any on the rest of us.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 10, 2006 08:38 AM (v3I+x)

28 Not hurting me a bit, John. The world is not going to end. I'm off work for the next 15 days, going deer hunting, having a great time, visiting with my friends, drinking a few cold ones, eating good food, and living off the fat of the land for a change.

As a matter of fact, I haven't felt this energized since 1994. Ideas are flowing through my head, things to do, people to see, organizations to start, schemes to hatch, fun....fun....fun. I'm loving it.

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 10, 2006 11:18 AM (8PoNP)

29 I suppose the left would be happier if he had burnt a few dozen innocents at the same time. They would have called him a freedom "lighter" then.

Posted by: Buzzy at November 10, 2006 02:40 PM (CXz7T)

30 haha, buzzy!

Posted by: Oyster at November 10, 2006 05:20 PM (UeUAE)

31 I love when people ie #17 thinks everyone who has an opinion on this site is somehow a christian, not everybody who believes in God believes in Jesus not that there's anything wrong with that so in that the question for this anti-war suicider is "Is it odd or is it God" I think it was just odd and I am hoping the nutjobs who think as he did see this as fashionable. I am human however I feel that we have been given free will and this particular person just used his and I am using mine on this site. What would the second tier Mohammad say? Oh we know what he says "suicide is fine" just take someone with you, this particular guy didn't do his deed well enough.

Posted by: Rightmom at November 10, 2006 11:01 PM (ElLn4)

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November 08, 2006

I Hate To Say I Told You So

Not really, I told you so.

"Reid set to be Senate majority leader"

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A Positive Correlation Between Muslims and Sex Offences?

This fellow claims there is.

Dean Esmay and his boys won't like that one bit. No sirreee...

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November 07, 2006

Rather Defends Forged Documents as "True"

Dan Rather is still defending the forged documents he used to make his case against the President's military service. And not just in that fake but accurate sort of way.

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November 06, 2006

HotAir : "If you thought the stakes couldnâ€™t get higher, think again."

Boy, howdy. Justice Stevens may be outta there?:

For the past several weeks, there has been a rumor circulating among high-level officials in Washington, D.C., that a member of the U.S. Supreme Court has received grave medical news and will announce his or her retirement by yearâ€™s end. While such rumors are not unusual in the nationâ€™s capital, this one comes from credible sources. Additionally, a less credible but still noteworthy post last week at the liberal Democratic Underground blog says, â€œSend your good vibes to Justice Stevens. I just got off the phone with a friend of his family and right now he is very ill and at 86 years old that is not good.â€

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Muslims Oppose British Mega-Mosque

Interesting to see some Muslims opposing the building of what is being called a mega-mosque. Apparently, the group building it has a propensity for sending converts to Pakistan for intensive training.

Going to a Pakistani Madrassa? What could possibly go wrong?

The Little Bulldogs have the story.

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November 05, 2006

Forget the Moderate Muslims, Where Are the Moderate Democrats?

Earlier today, I wrote about the insane reaction to the Saddam verdict of purported Americans posting at that area of the fever swamps known as the "Democratic Underground". Charles Johnson at little green footballs had already noted a similar spasm of vitriolic vomit erupting from the bowels of The Huffington Post.

Alas, the outbreak is more widespread; it seems that it's easier to find moderate Muslims than it is to find Democrats who don't bark at the moon: more...

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1 Our cyber army is missing in action

terrorism anti-terrorism insurgents terrorists terrorism+toolbar anthropologist

Jawbreaker team went into Afghan with $3,000,000
2,000 lbs of gear, lap tops, lazer sighters
and ak 47's. They beat the Taliban.

With 10,000 local troops they beat 60,000 Taliban
and 5,000 Al Qaeda troops.

The Air force attacked Taliban front lines.

JB team was around 100 members.

They had horse saddles air dropped to them.

Cent com is JB C&C and had LIVE SATELLITE FEED.

Milawa valley Spots Binnys men next 24 hrs air

force bombs.

Bernstin orders 800 troops as a blocking action to stop Binny from escaping, request refused.

Binny escapes.

Dec 17 Binny radio intercept.

We killed Taliban and ran Binny out of Afghan.

Both USA in Afghan against the Taliban and mujahedeen

in Afghan against the Russians prove the power of

an insurgency against a Government in power.

Secret smaller force against an embedded establish

positions/forces prove effective.

We are learning this in Iraq.

We are now facing this Paradigm with the Islamo

Fascists world wide.

Their use of the Internet for C&C, recruitment,

propaganda, moral boosting, and instruction are far

superior to collation forces, we are loosing the

media war.

The Internet provides the ONLY counter force to the

spreading world wide insurgency and spread of

terrorism, and we are without Internet forces/army.

We need to start counter posting against their

Islamic lies, and propaganda, counter their moral

boosting videos and electronic magazines world wide

on the Internet. With Islamic truths, quotes from

the Koran, our own magazines, AND VIDEOS, and in

ALL FORUMS/chat rooms world wide in all languages.

The failure to take these actions is to face an

ever spreading world wide insurgency against ever

more powerful weapons and tactics and stronger

enemy.

It took them two years to learn shaped charges,

three years to learn sniping, how long before they

learn WMD?

I believe time is of essence.

The longer we wait to build a cyber army the

stronger and bigger THEY will be.

We need Internet leader ship and a cyber Army.

Gerald

--
Combat Terrorism Toolbar:
http://cigars.bravepages.com/head/iaterror.htm

INDEPENDENT REVIEW.
http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2006/10/terrorism-toolbar.html

ACTUAL TERRORISM TOOLBAR USE:
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/185045.php

Gerald
Anthropologist ( ad Magnum )
Our cyber army is missing in action

terrorism anti-terrorism insurgents terrorists terrorism+toolbar anthropologist

Jawbreaker team went into Afghan with $3,000,000
2,000 lbs of gear, lap tops, lazer sighters
and ak 47's. They beat the Taliban.

With 10,000 local troops they beat 60,000 Taliban
and 5,000 Al Qaeda troops.

The Air force attacked Taliban front lines.

JB team was around 100 members.

They had horse saddles air dropped to them.

Cent com is JB C&C and had LIVE SATELLITE FEED.

Milawa valley Spots Binnys men next 24 hrs air

force bombs.

Bernstin orders 800 troops as a blocking action to stop Binny from escaping, request refused.

Binny escapes.

Dec 17 Binny radio intercept.

We killed Taliban and ran Binny out of Afghan.

Both USA in Afghan against the Taliban and mujahedeen

in Afghan against the Russians prove the power of

an insurgency against a Government in power.

Secret smaller force against an embedded establish

positions/forces prove effective.

We are learning this in Iraq.

We are now facing this Paradigm with the Islamo

Fascists world wide.

Their use of the Internet for C&C, recruitment,

propaganda, moral boosting, and instruction are far

superior to collation forces, we are loosing the

media war.

The Internet provides the ONLY counter force to the

spreading world wide insurgency and spread of

terrorism, and we are without Internet forces/army.

We need to start counter posting against their

Islamic lies, and propaganda, counter their moral

boosting videos and electronic magazines world wide

on the Internet. With Islamic truths, quotes from

the Koran, our own magazines, AND VIDEOS, and in

ALL FORUMS/chat rooms world wide in all languages.

The failure to take these actions is to face an

ever spreading world wide insurgency against ever

more powerful weapons and tactics and stronger

enemy.

It took them two years to learn shaped charges,

three years to learn sniping, how long before they

learn WMD?

I believe time is of essence.

The longer we wait to build a cyber army the

stronger and bigger THEY will be.

We need Internet leader ship and a cyber Army.

Gerald

--
Combat Terrorism Toolbar:
http://cigars.bravepages.com/head/iaterror.htm

INDEPENDENT REVIEW.
http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2006/10/terrorism-toolbar.html

ACTUAL TERRORISM TOOLBAR USE:
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/185045.php

Gerald
Anthropologist ( ad Magnum )

Posted by: gerald at November 05, 2006 02:12 PM (UOIMY)

2 Moderate Democrats?!

Some days it seems that's right up there with the Loch Ness Monster.

Posted by: Michael Hampton at November 05, 2006 02:14 PM (FVbj6)

3 Moderate Democrats are harder to find then moderate muslims? Brilliant! It's right there in front of me. Why didn't I think of that?

You're really on to something. I hope you don't mind if I steal your theme and make it my own, because I definitely plan on doing so. I'll try to pass it on to as many people as I can. (It really is that accurate and damning.)

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 05, 2006 05:02 PM (bLPT+)

4 My Leftist father threw a hissy fit. You'd think they had convicted Mother Teresa.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 05, 2006 05:14 PM (8e/V4)

5 Where are the moderate demos? I don't know.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 05, 2006 09:35 PM (cNF2m)

6 The best way to moderate a Democrat is to remove him from, or keep him from public office. His manners don't actually improve, but he can do less damage

USA all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at November 05, 2006 09:45 PM (2OHpj)

7 Saddam is the wicked witch? Ohhh, sorry, I was confusing him with Osama Bin Laden.

Posted by: tbone at November 06, 2006 12:46 PM (HGqHt)

8 Thank goodness the Republicans are in power to tell us who the real bogey men are and they are so effective at dealing with them also - whew, we really dodged a bullet back there in ought ought what with all that balanced budget BS and domestic tranquility... God bless the able-minded, pro-active administration of our benevolent leader. I'm so glad too that they won't let me forget ever about terrorism because it sure would hurt my brain so to think about anything else. I look forward to 6 more years of sh#$ing in my pants with all of you anytime our leaders need a bump in the polls - anyone know what the color code is today? I'll take my umbrella just incase.

Posted by: tbone at November 06, 2006 12:55 PM (HGqHt)

9 T-Bone:

Thank goodness that the Dhimmiecrats took the House. Now Patriotic pelosi can tell us that george Bush is our real enemy and that the islamopithecines are our oppressed friends.

Remember that when the jihadi knife is slashing your traitorous throat, asshole.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 08, 2006 12:06 PM (bLPT+)

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October 31, 2006

John Kerry Insults Soldiers, MSM Covers Up (Updated)

Update: Video

Update II: Kerry responds:

Washington â€“ Senator John Kerry issued the following statement in response to White House Press Secretary Tony Snow, assorted right wing nut-jobs, and right wing talk show hosts desperately distorting Kerryâ€™s comments about President Bush to divert attention from their disastrous record:
â€œIf anyone thinks a veteran would criticize the more than 140,000 heroes serving in Iraq and not the president who got us stuck there, they're crazy. This is the classic G.O.P. playbook. Iâ€™m sick and tired of these despicable Republican attacks that always seem to come from those who never can be found to serve in war, but love to attack those who did.

There's more in this vein, i.e., blaming Republicans for interpreting Kerry's words as if they were spoken in plain English. Oh, wait, they were. Watch the video.

No wonder this idiot lost in 2004.

2004 Presidential loser John Kerry spoke to students Monday at a rally for California gubernatorial candidate Phil Angelides at Pasadena City College. Kerry delivered an intolerable insult to the brave Americans protecting us in the War on Terror. You didn't hear about it on the Nightly News. more...

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1 Perhaps he's just speaking personally? He did end up in Vietnam, maybe he thinks that everyone that serves is ultimately a bumbling idiot, like himself.

It wouldn't be the first time someone displaced their own shortgivings unto others.

Posted by: MidnightSun at October 31, 2006 10:53 AM (AiuZK)

2 What a giant douche; hope he realizes he just lost the votes of anyone who served or is serving and their families.

Posted by: Sapper Chris at October 31, 2006 11:17 AM (ZEIBc)

3 I ATTEST BEFORE ALLAH THAT I AM BOTH TOO STUPID TO START MY OWN BLOG AND TOO STUPID TO POST ON TOPIC!

Posted by: Greg at October 31, 2006 11:22 AM (/+dAV)

4 He is right...educated people do not go to war. Reasons: They
are too smart to die for a lie and can get a real job.

Posted by: steve at October 31, 2006 11:44 AM (sKAxf)

5 steve: are you talking about uneducated people like George Washington, Teddy Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy? And weren't we reminded endlessly that John F. Kerry served in Vietnam?

We always appreciate it when the Leftys expose their true "thinking." Thanks for playing.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at October 31, 2006 11:51 AM (vBK4C)

6 steve,

you forgot to add the part about how you "support the troops".

Next you'll be "outraged" that someone questioned your patriotism.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 31, 2006 11:58 AM (8e/V4)

7 Well, first, those who've been in a war have, simply by virtue of them having been in that situation, a bit more valid opinion of war than those who haven't. That whole swift boat thing on Kerry was a nice bit of deception during the '04 campaign, but most of the "criticism" did indeed come from those who had never served, or people who did serve, but not actually with Kerry.

Kerry was not presidential material for other reasons, but it never ceases to amaze me that people bought that classic Rove defamation schtick.

Then there's that other Kerry quote, which is pretty ironic, considering his own tour in Vietnam...

On the other hand, you can't really argue with the point. The more educated you are, the less likely you are to end up in a war zone. And the spirit of what he was saying, was to try and get the students he was addressing to stay in school.

It was certainly ineptly put, and indicative of why Kerry couldn't sell himself to the American public in '04, but this is hardly an "outrageous and revealing Kerry gaffe."

Simply put, the mainstream media didn't report on this because it is no big deal, and Kerry is old news.

Posted by: kevin at October 31, 2006 12:12 PM (O2fFC)

8 I heard about this when I was waking up this morning and saved the sound clip (I followed a Bluto link if I remember)

My wife heard about it on the radio, and flew into my office like an Angel of vengeance! I couldn't say "hi" before she was demanding I research the full story about Kerry.

She wanted the facts, and she wanted blood. She was taking the message to her day job when she left this morning. People aren't going to put up with this Kerry crap.

As for 'Steve' you guys already said it ... but I want to add HEY STEVE! Move to France, they are smart like you!!!

USA all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at October 31, 2006 12:21 PM (2OHpj)

9 Steve, thanks for showing up! You can go back HERE now. Or better yet to HERE

Posted by: Big White Infidel at October 31, 2006 12:26 PM (9sWBO)

10 Hey Steve, STFU and GBTKos you liberal suckass. Kerry is a disgrace to America and all the Americans that have served this country. I bet you haven't even considered civic duty either you detestable maggot.

Posted by: Sapper Chris at October 31, 2006 12:46 PM (ZEIBc)

11 Hanoi John finally showed his true colors. But I guess I'm really pissed by this as a father. My oldest is in Iraq, 2nd tour, so by Kerry's standards he's stupid, ignorant, and uneducated. But he has a dual major from NYU in philosophy and english, graduated magna cum laude, and is a member of Phi Beta Kappa. He is a SERGEANT, not an officer (holds the same opinion of officers as his Pop) and is considering re-enlisting. I already emailed Hanoi John with my opinion of him, so the black helos may be showing up at my house soon. I hope this gets major coverage(wishful thinking) but to me he has become the poster boy for the democrats and their elitist attitudes.

Posted by: codekeyguy at October 31, 2006 12:50 PM (+WuRB)

12 Elitist snob and Coward! Kerry just motivated a lot of conservatives to get out and vote on Nov. 7, who otherwise had decided to sit this one out.

I am a college professor in an elite private university and I have a Marine son fighting in Iraq. In terms of intelligence, guts and understanding current events, the Marines win hands-down over the average college student.

John F-ing Kerry and his elite band of effeminate snobs would destroy America in an effort to re-gain power. They are so smart, they can make everything right again if only they are in power. God help us!

Hold your nose and Vote Nov. 7. Don't let these people gain any more power.

Posted by: Ralph Hatcher at October 31, 2006 12:58 PM (gzxW2)

13 John Kerry and all of his liberal ilk should be put to death publically on national television. Voicing antiwar sentiment is a crime and against our great nation and must not be tolerated.

However this administration is not fighting the war on terror and is misguided. Our precious marines and fighting forces are dying for nothing at the hands of a filthy subhuman race. Rebuild Iraq? Hell no.

Muslims and Arabs attacked us on 9/11 we must not rest until every muslim and arab man, woman, and child has been eliminated from this Earth. This is the ultimate victory over terrorism.

Posted by: Anti-Muslim Hero at October 31, 2006 01:13 PM (Nhfns)

14 I stand corrected...apparently Tony Snow and the GOP were successful in spinning this into the news of the day.

Great.

Between this, the Foley scandal, and other worthless campaign blitzes from both parties it's a pure joy to sift through the rubbish for actual issues that matter...

Posted by: kevin at October 31, 2006 01:16 PM (O2fFC)

15 Oooh look at 'em all scampering in a hissie fit. Meanwhile Iraq tells us to get out, leave the Shite militia alone and on your way out we need $100 BILLION in aid. As the wonderful video that Greg posted points out, the purpose of our military is to protect and defend our constitution. So anyone with a Philosopher's degree ( LOL) or better should be able to figure out where they need to concentrate their defending efforts! It ain't in Iraq. It is in America defending We the People from a run-away over-blown government whose strings are being pulled by great big corporate pigs.

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 31, 2006 02:05 PM (Dd86v)

16 Thanks, Last Gasp Larry, for demonstrating that if there's anything more brainless than a Kerry Democrat, it's a truther.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at October 31, 2006 02:37 PM (vBK4C)

17 Meanwhile Iraq tells us to get out,

Iraq asks U.S. troops to stay

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061030/ts_nm/iraq1_dc_6

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 31, 2006 02:38 PM (8e/V4)

18 Greg gets it. Steve suffers from time-space warpage, and LGL is, well, still breathing.................?

F'ing Kerry is a POS. PERIOD. He makes Jane Fonda look like a Rhodes Scholar

Posted by: n.a. palm at October 31, 2006 03:03 PM (s0Sf6)

19 Nice story JLC, nice spin LGL. Just remember that the Democrat plan for Iraq is the same one that the Bobs used in Office Space to get rid of Milton. Cut off the funds, let the glitch work itself out naturally.

Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at October 31, 2006 03:08 PM (oC8nQ)

20 Last Gasp - It is far better to defend America by spreading freedom overseas than to sit back and wait for the attacks on US soil.

Our well educated troops in Iraq are engaged in a tough fight, they are limited by the Iraqi government, But they are succeeding.

Dimmocrats led by JF Kerry would encourage greater acts of terrorism by their sheer stupidity.

This country is in far better shape now than it was 6 years ago.

Posted by: Marvin at October 31, 2006 03:30 PM (iUKa6)

FLIP-FLOP, FLIP-FLOP, FLIP-FLOP

Kerry Flip-Flopping again - what a surprise! Say one thing one day and say the opposite thing another day. Kerry is nothing but the front man for the FLIP-FLOPPING Dhimmicrats.

Posted by: Daniel at October 31, 2006 03:31 PM (AMccd)

22 What a bunch of shit. Are we getting as bad as they? You know he just fucked up while running his stupid mouth. let us not behave as they.

Posted by: Greyrooster at October 31, 2006 04:13 PM (mCJ+p)

23 Larry: You must be saved. Don't give in to the dark side. Friends don't let friends vote DEMOCRATIC.

Posted by: Greyrooster at October 31, 2006 04:16 PM (mCJ+p)

CodeleyGuy: Careful my oldest is an officer on his third tour. If your son has that kind of brain power he should be using it. The job of running the show falls on those that can. Nothing wrong with being a leader. There's so many that can't be.

Posted by: Greyrooster at October 31, 2006 04:25 PM (mCJ+p)

25 How foolish of Senator Kerry to tell the truth one week before the election.

Posted by: Walid at October 31, 2006 04:37 PM (/WnV9)

There's this movie everyone's talking about "No Substitute for Victory: from Vietnam to Iraq". Originally "No Substitute for Victory" was a documentary hosted by Jon Wayne released when during war in Vietnam. Now this film is re-released on a DVD and examines out current conflicts in the Middle East as seen through the scope of history from our previous conflict in Vietnam. It has exclusive modern day interviews. I think it will be an excellent source of vital information and entertainment! You should check it out!

Posted by: joe at October 31, 2006 04:43 PM (ZFFyU)

27 Kerry should be ashamed of himself, not only does he slander Americas finest, he then refuses to admit it and insists it was the republicans smearing him, gee i didn't hear of the neo-con cabal twisting his arms forcing him to say what he said.

Heck, even CNN is writing his career off after this and we know how much they love America and her soldiers.

Posted by: Mathewk at October 31, 2006 05:31 PM (pVHqF)

The chicken sh*t coward who deserted his men after 3.6 months (for those who are under 55 or did not serve that is 30% or a tour, or 0.3 tours not the lie the MSM/DNC told us over and over â€œ2 toursâ€!) Bush may be a leftist liberal but JFK is a stupid, gutless, dumb as* liberal. I am glad Bush won and I voted for him!

Steve â€“ you are full of *SHIT*! I have several degrees and graduate degrees and I sure as Hell went to war and I have the scars to prove it! Fuc* you as*hole! Come to Cerritos and say that you gutless wonder!

A former FMF member

Sgt 1/5

Nam 1967 â€“ 1968

R. A. Stanton

Posted by: Rod Stanton at October 31, 2006 05:47 PM (WCsUZ)

29 Greyrooster,
Didn't mean to offend. He's considering applying for Warrant. He really does not appreciate too many of his officers. And this is not from my brainwashing, but from his observations. He does act like a mother hen to his troops, though. THAT makes me proud.

Posted by: codekeyguy at October 31, 2006 05:51 PM (1N6ha)

30 He should have joined the Marine Corps. Not too late to change.

Semper Fi Rod Stanton. How's the bay area these days? Sometimes I miss it. Sometimes I don't. You were in Viet Nam during the same years as my first tour. 2nd Batt. 26th Marines.

Posted by: Greyrooster at October 31, 2006 08:44 PM (EhXUQ)

31 Where's Pol Pot when you need him? No! ... where's Greg when you need him!? So Kerry said something insensitive. At least he didn't alienate potential allies with stupid chickenhawk statements like " You are with us or against us " and " Bring 'em on! ". And all you dancing puppets are you enjoying your dance to the tune of the mad incompetent frat boy whose aim is to please his rich corporate cohorts. It must get lonely at the bottom 33%. Patton knew how to fight a war. And so did McCarthur and Churchill. This is not a war anymore and our troops have been abused and are performing the task of policing which as I understand it is not in their job description. Long live We the People. 67% of We the People realize we are on a wild goose chase and are in another Vietnam type scenario. And Maliki did just tell us to stop policing Sadr where the Shite militias reside.

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at November 01, 2006 12:04 AM (Dd86v)

32 LOL...You idiots he is talking about Bush getting us stuck in Iraq. How does someone who pulls 2 tours in Vietnam while Bush's cabinet members enjoyed dozens of deferments become an enemy of our troops?
Quit being such sheep and think for yourselves, how would this comment make any since for him or the politician he was campaigning for?

Posted by: Ryan at November 01, 2006 12:34 AM (jzElD)

33
LOL...You idiots he is talking about Bush getting us stuck in Iraq.

Bush went to Harvard and Yale, and got better grades than John Kerry. So if his joke was about Bush it made no sense. But we all know it wasn't about Bush because Liberals are well known for disrespecting the military and calling them uneducated sods. I've heard it all my life. John Kerry just happens to have admitted it in public. Not smart for a Liberal senator whose politics requires stealth to go around saying stuff like that out loud. We knew he was a liar too, and now he's proved it.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 01, 2006 01:41 AM (8e/V4)

34 Ryan:
Check your facts, and get them straight before running off at the mouth. Kerry served .3 tours (thats 3/10 of one tour) not the 2 tours you are giving him credit for. Kerry has been trashing the military since 1971. Kerry is a traitorous bastard who should have been shot!!! Kerry is a POS elitist snob. Kerry is a Viet Cong sympathizer. The list is endless......

Posted by: codekeyguy at November 01, 2006 04:22 AM (+WuRB)

35 Ha ha! This really brought the lefturds out, and I'm not surprised,
because nothing infuriates lefturds and muslims like the truth. A good
lefturd is a dead one.

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Posted by: JANE123** at November 01, 2006 10:55 AM (INxhg)

37 Islamocrats.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 01, 2006 10:56 AM (ZzIWW)

38 I do agree that our boys should not be doing police work. Go back to our bases. Secure them. Keep all locals out. Whenever the Iraqi government needs help our boys go out and kick the shit out of the insurgents/terrorists/muslim assholes then return to their secure bases. Let the Iraqis die for their freedom. They will appreciate it more.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 01, 2006 11:01 AM (ZzIWW)

39 Headline should have read "Kerry bashes Bush on failed Iraq policy, MSM tells the truth".

Which of you morons still believes that Kerry was insulting the troops when he bungled a joke about Bush's failures in Iraq.

Your tipoff that it was a joke, even though bungled, should have been the part about doing your homework.

Had Bush done his homework, we wouldn't be stuck in Iraq today.

This was so easy to figure out, that even the most ignorant, amongst you, should have figured it out.

Posted by: Puddleduck at November 01, 2006 11:03 AM (F+9W9)

40 "Meanwhile Iraq tells us to get out,

Iraq asks U.S. troops to stay

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061030/ts_nm/iraq1_dc_6
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 31, 2006 02:38 PM "

Hmmm...the Iraqi government wants us to stay and the Iraqi people want us to leave.

So who represents the Iraqi people?

It sure ain't the Iraqi government.

Posted by: Puddleduck at November 01, 2006 11:09 AM (F+9W9)

41 JFK has hated America for 36 years. His comments in Cal this week show he still hates America. But the MSM/DNC has hated America for 60 years so he is late to the party!

Posted by: Jo macDougal at November 01, 2006 01:59 PM (2vpLj)

42 codekeyguy: Yeah, let's get some historical facts straight:

Let's start with the John Kerry facts, '66-'68

February 18, 1966:

A senior at Yale, Kerry commits to enlist in the Navy.

December, 1967:

Kerry is assigned as an Ensign to the guided-missile frigate USS
Gridley. After five-months aboard, he returns to San Diego to undergo
training to command a Swift boat, used by the Navy for patrols in
Vietnam.

November 17, 1968:
Kerry arrives in Vietnam, where he is given command of Swift boat No. 44, operating in the Mekong Delta.

December 2, 1968:
Kerry gets his first taste of intense combat, and is wounded in the arm. He is awarded a Purple Heart.

OK, now onto the George Bush facts:

February, 1968:
A senior at Yale, Bush takes an Air Force officers test. He scores in 25th percentile in the pilot aptitude portion, and declares that he does not wish to serve overseas.

May 27, 1968:
Bush enlists in Texas Air National Guard. Aided by Texas House Speaker Ben Barnes, he jumps over waiting list. He pledges two years of active duty and four years of reserve duty.

June 9, 1968:
Bush's student deferment expires.

September 1968:
After basic training, Bush pulls inactive duty to act as gopher on Florida Senator Edward J. Gurney's campaign.

November 1968:
After Gurney wins, Bush is reactivated and transferred to Georgia.

Hmmm...OK, let's try Kerry '69

January, 1969:
Kerry takes command of a new Swift boat, completing 18 missions over 48 days, almost all in the Mekong Delta area.

February 20, 1969:
Kerry is wounded again, taking shrapnel in the left thigh, after a gunboat battle. He is awarded a second Purple Heart.

February 28, 1969:
Kerry and his boat crew, coming under attack while patroling in the Mekong Delta, decide to counterattack. In the middle of the ensuing firefight, Kerry leaves his boat, pursues a Viet Cong fighter into a small hut, kills him, and retreives a rocket launcher. He is awarded a Silver Star.

March 13, 1969:
A mine detonates near Kerry's boat, wounding him in the right arm. He is awarded a third Purple Heart. He is also awarded a Bronze Star for pulling a crew member, who had fallen overboard, back on the boat amidst a firefight.

Okay, back to GWB, '69:

November 1969:
Bush is flown to the White House by President Nixon for a date with daughter Tricia.

December 1969:
Bush transfers to Houston and moves into Chateaux Dijon complex. Laura lives there too, but they don't meet till later.

End of military service for both about this time; Kerry moves onto politics, with a run at the Senate in '71; George Bush moves on to alcohol, run-ins with the law and drifting from job to job, usually landed through his father's well-placed connections.

If I was George Bush, I'd be ashamed.

Posted by: Gleep! at November 01, 2006 06:05 PM (UHKaK)

43
So who represents the Iraqi people?

The democratically elected government of Iraq represents the Iraqi people. That's why they have elections.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 01, 2006 10:21 PM (8e/V4)

44 Gleep,

John Kerry pledged to release his military records after the election. He has yet to honor that pledge despite repeated requests. Therefore everything you said about him is worth crap.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 01, 2006 10:23 PM (8e/V4)

45 The democratically elected government of Iraq represents the Iraqi people. That's why they have elections.

And they haven't been able to hold a parlimentary session in going on three months because too few of the democratically elected lawmakers are willing to risk their lives to show up. Really, JC, you should move beyond a schoolboy's knowledge of what is actually happening on the ground in Iraq.

Posted by: Gleep! at November 01, 2006 11:17 PM (a7sMc)

46 Kerry allows Navy release of military, medical records
Show numerous commendations

By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005

WASHINGTON -- Senator John F. Kerry, ending at least
two years of refusal, has waived privacy restrictions and authorized
the release of his full military and medical records.

Uh, what the f--k are you talking about JC? All of the dates for both Bush and Kerry listed above are on record ...

Oz to JC, Oz to JC, come in for landing JC. Over.

Posted by: Gleep! at November 01, 2006 11:22 PM (a7sMc)

47 http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/06/07/kerry_allows_navy_release_of_military_medical_records/

Posted by: Gleep! at November 01, 2006 11:23 PM (a7sMc)

48 John Kerry: Purple Heart, Purple Heart, Bronze Star, Purple Heart, Silver Star. The Silver Star is the fourth highest military decoration that can be awarded to a member of the United States Armed Forces, and the third highest given for valor (in the face of the enemy). The Bronze Star Medal is awarded for both heroism
and non-combat meritorious service. The Bronze Star medal is often
issued to individuals who performed notable accomplishments, but not to
the level required of the Silver Star.

George Bush: DWI, Cocaine Habit, Bar Tab.

Posted by: Gleep! at November 01, 2006 11:27 PM (a7sMc)

49 Other Silver Star Winners:
Max Cleland
Wesley Clark
James Stockdale
Jim Webb
John McCain

Notably absent from the list:
George W Bush
Dick Cheney
Karl Rove
Donald Rumsfeld
Ruch Limbaugh, (Non-Office Holding Honorable Mention)

Posted by: Gleep! at November 01, 2006 11:34 PM (a7sMc)

50 How many of you trust our government? That's what I thought. And we expect some foreign nation to trust us? LOL

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at November 02, 2006 01:50 AM (Dd86v)

51 How many of you trust our government? That's what I thought. And we expect some foreign nation to trust us? LOL

Kerry = integrity Bush = trailortrashchickenhawk

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at November 02, 2006 02:13 AM (Dd86v)

52 he is an ass hole how can you talk about the dose dam soliders fighting for your freedoms losing there lifes and u can call them dumbass you should be hanged u fuckn democrate bitch
sorry for the messed up spelling today not a good day for me lol

Posted by: the young republican of the U.S.A bitches at November 05, 2006 08:46 PM (RdZRN)

53 Could somebody explain to me, using really small words, without skipping over anything, how exactly it is that what Kerry said is an insult to out troops? Perhaps if he had said something like, "study hard, or else you'll end up stuck in the military", but he didn't say that. This seems to me yet another example of the giant right-wing media conspiracy not letting the facts get in the way of a good story.

Newt was on Fox yesterday trying to explain this, and eventually he fell back to the position of arguing about Kerry's behavior in 1971. Okay, fine, but if we're going to evaluate our leaders based on their choices in 1971, let's make sure we spend some time on Bush Jr.'s choice during that period as well.

Posted by: DavidSteele at November 06, 2006 10:05 AM (vN9mU)

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Just to set the record straight.

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CBS Tries to Make Republicans Look like Islamaphobes

CBS is looking for a few good Republicans to make them look bad. From Craig's List in New York:

Do you get nervous when you see a Muslim on an airplane? Have your opinions about Muslims changed since September 11? Do you have family or friends that get nervous around Muslims?
A NEW CBS SHOW SEEKS New York families who have traditional family values but are uneasy around Muslims.

Emphasis mine.

Nervous around Muslims on a plane? I mean, why would any sane person have anything to fear from Muslims......on a plane?

Not looking for those with untraditional family values. See, they are not looking for homosexuals who might get nervous around Muslims, even though committed Muslims might be in favor of the death penalty--as proscribed in the Quran--for gays. Heather's two mommies need not apply. They are looking for families that have traditional family values.

The fact that they have to advertise to find people with traditional family values also suggests that the CBS producers don't know many people who fit the bill. You know, Republicans. And not the Bloomberg kind.

Via I'm-gonna-kick-him-square-in-the-nuts Instapundit who got it from Gawker. Hat tip Larwyn

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1 Be nice. Not all muslims who are on a plane will hijack it and blow it up.

Posted by: Jason Chance at October 31, 2006 10:13 AM (wkRws)

2 The ones who were suspicious about fellow passengers of Middle Eastern descent were the only ones who were right on the morning of 9/11.

Think about it.

Posted by: MidnightSun at October 31, 2006 10:13 AM (AiuZK)

3 I see the Caliphate Broadcasting System is going for reality TV. I wonder if CBS is going to put any Jewish families on the show?

Hell, I'm nervous every time I get on a plane here in Indonesia. Shitty Indonesian pilots and the plane is full of Muslims. I know that the likelihood of a terrorist act on a plane here is less than in America but being around so many of them gives me an uneasy feeling especially the way they look at me. Hmmm...note to self: stop wearing my "One billion Muslims are wrong, God has a Son and His name is Jesus Christ" in public in an Islamic nation.

Posted by: Big White Infidel at October 31, 2006 10:26 AM (9sWBO)

4 Must resist urge to make Snakes on a Plane reference...

Posted by: Ranba Ral at October 31, 2006 11:02 AM (VvXII)

This sounds like prep for a Morgan Spurlock-like reality show. They are looking some some poor sap to play the 'evil, Christian-values loving, Bush voting, country music listening, Islamaphobe' so they can make him live in a mosque for a week so they can then show him how ignorant he was of other cultures.

Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at October 31, 2006 11:04 AM (oC8nQ)

6 Bohica,

Aren't they doing that already to school children in Oregon and California?

Posted by: Big White Infidel at October 31, 2006 11:55 AM (9sWBO)

7 How bout a show seeking New York families with Liberal values and are uneasy with-- nay, hate-- christians. Shouldn't be too hard to find folks like that in NY.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 31, 2006 12:05 PM (8e/V4)

8 I think CBS should make a show about Muslims with traditional Islamic values in America and are uneasy around the hedonistic infidels. See how they react to Heather's two Mommies making out in front of them or Mr Jonathan the flaming gay stylist giving them a new coiffure. I'd watch that!!

Posted by: Big White Infidel at October 31, 2006 12:16 PM (9sWBO)

9 How bout a show seeking New York families with Liberal values and are
uneasy with-- nay, hate-- christians. Shouldn't be too hard to find
folks like that in NY.

It was called Will and Grace.

Posted by: MidnightSun at October 31, 2006 01:07 PM (AiuZK)

10 You only need to be an American to appreciate how urgent it is for us the average citizens to rise up and take back our country.

Did you know it is currently legal for muslims and arabs to reside in this country? This should be eliminated immediately. After 9/11 allowing just one muslim arab in our country should be tantamount to treason.

Americans should be taking to the streets, bashing the heads of arabs and muslims, cutting the throats of their filthy vile children, and burning their breeding women alive. This is war people and the enemy is all around us.

This halloween do not go out and celebrate the holiday of satan but use your time in a patriotic manner and eliminate any muslim arabs in your neighborhood.

Posted by: Anti-Muslim Hero at October 31, 2006 01:09 PM (Nhfns)

11 Rusty,

please delete the vile troll. Thanks.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 31, 2006 01:32 PM (8e/V4)

12 Jesusland,

Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ commanded us to take up the fight against satan and his arab henchman. Do not give in to the devil and lose your vigilance against this eternal enemy.

Yours in Christ

Posted by: Anti-Muslim Hero at October 31, 2006 02:07 PM (Nhfns)

13 Some of us don't differentiate between one violent fundamentalist religious nut and other violent fundamentalist religious nuts.

Posted by: MidnightSun at October 31, 2006 02:51 PM (AiuZK)

14 When you walk with Jesus you are always right. This guy is right we are in a fight to the death with arabs and muslims worldwide.

Jesus and America first.

Posted by: Bill Bradford at October 31, 2006 03:01 PM (DCZ7U)

15 As I walk with Jesus tonight I will slather my man pole with the blood of A-Rhabs and rejoice. So it is written and so shall it be done.

Posted by: Jaysusland Greg at October 31, 2006 03:20 PM (/+dAV)

16 Big White Infidel: Your comment #3. The problem with your statement is that the Jews operate every news outlet in the United States. Every media from Disney to the NY times is owned by Jewish people. This includes all the major magazines. Why they allow CNN, (hell to many to mention), to behave as they do shows that apparently the Jews are far less one sided as others. That is unless the freedom of speech laws in America are the real controlling factor.

Posted by: Greyrooster at October 31, 2006 04:41 PM (mCJ+p)

17 ANTI MUSLIM HERO: Good point.

Posted by: Greyrooster at October 31, 2006 04:43 PM (mCJ+p)

18 As the great Improbulus Maximus said, Everything is the JOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSS fault.

Posted by: Jason Chance at October 31, 2006 04:44 PM (wkRws)

19 Rooster:"The problem with your statement is that the Jews operate every news outlet in the United States. Every media from Disney to the NY times is owned by Jewish people. This includes all the major magazines."

And they lled us in to this war.

Posted by: Greg at October 31, 2006 05:24 PM (/+dAV)

20 Because of course Democrats don't have "traditional moral values"... the entire party is made up of homosexuals. Moron.

Posted by: Professor von Nostrand at October 31, 2006 07:40 PM (Bwpq7)

21 Rooster,

Sorry, must have been a mind slip. That's what I get for living in the third world for so long. I forgot most Jews in America are Democrats and have forgotten their roots and who their enemy is.

Posted by: Big White Infidel at October 31, 2006 08:26 PM (0z8AT)

22 Ha, ha. Don't know. But it seems strange that they control the same news media that would have us pull out of the middle east. Thereby leaving them by themselves to fight the entire muslim world. If what Greg says is true. They are one smart people. Don't know much about Jews or their religion. I just know that they don't wish to kill me and nor do they scream death to America. Which makes them okay in my book. They're also gutsy little suckers. I like that.

Posted by: Greyrooster at October 31, 2006 10:00 PM (EhXUQ)

23 At our bi-weekly meetings, you know, the one with the burning cross and beer drinking some of my brothers say things about the Jews. I ask them them what's the matter with Jews? They're trying to take over the world! So are we my Aryan brother, so are we.

Posted by: Greyrooster at October 31, 2006 10:06 PM (EhXUQ)

24 It is written that Israel, being God's chosen people by covenant will prevail against all foes. Not because they are righteous and deserving, but because their foes are oh so much more evil. I believe that America is God's favored people off the record, and America is the bulldog to help Israel prevail and will share in the glory. Revelate on that! :-)

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at November 01, 2006 12:19 AM (Dd86v)

25 "It is written that Israel, being God's chosen people"

Even god likes humor! Ha ha!

Posted by: Dan at November 01, 2006 07:18 AM (ILHet)

26 Quit stealing my name jackass.

Posted by: Max Power at November 01, 2006 09:13 AM (wkRws)

2.Steve Wehvila3155 Vernon St.Duluth, MN 55806

3.James Rush621QueenAvenueMinneapolis,MN55411

4.Liz Grice 3413 Harvard ave. Columbia, SC 29205

5.Eng. Yousef Abu Hadhoud P.O. Box 4028 North Hashemi, Amman - Jordan

6.Juliet Barriola 225 west 232cd street apt.2E Bronx, New York 10463

Posted by: JANE123** at November 01, 2006 10:55 AM (INxhg)

28 " Even god likes humor! Ha ha! " You're so right Dan! He created you! BTW God is humor with a capital H!

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at November 03, 2006 12:48 PM (Dd86v)

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October 30, 2006

Bob Casey Blog Calls American Traitor "Leader"

Markos "Kos" Moulitsas is a man who once described the murder of Americans in Iraq with the phrase "screw them." Now, the Bob Casey Blog is singing his praises. Your modern Democratic party at work.

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October 28, 2006

Number One On The DNC Bestseller List

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Posted by: JeepThang at October 29, 2006 03:30 AM (yZQoS)

2 I went to http://www.chapters.ca and http://www.indigo.ca, but none of these online vendors were selling this edition.

Well, it's a nice cold morning in beautiful Canada so I think I'll go heat up some poutine and pour myself a Molson !!!

Posted by: Harper's Faeries at October 29, 2006 07:16 AM (HSkSw)

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Yes, Nancy Pelosi has just dropped a bombshell that the Democrats are sure is going to win them control of the House, if not the Senate too... a Democrat policy policy position that is not only clearly stated, but which does not start out with the words "George Bush is evil, because..."

"If elected to a majority, we will pass legislation to petition the UN to adopt a resolution that restores full planetary status to Pluto!"

The vision of this announcement is breathtaking, and surely demonstrates how ready for leadership the Dems are. According to the media, trans-Neptunian denizens are the only demographic not already leaning strongly Democrat, and this should put that community in the bag for the Dems.

Republican strategist Karl Rove apepared to be unruffled when asked if this brilliant policy stroke had changed his calculations. "No, we had already conceded that the frozen iceballs of the outer solar system were pretty much the Democrat's to lose... that's such a natural constituency for them that we would be foolish to waste our resources on going after votes there."

But Rove may also have a trick up his sleeve, since he slyly added that the Dems may encounter opposition from the French at the UN. "They are going to need all the wiles of a John Kerry to pull that off, however. With the demotion of Pluto (discovered by an American), the planet Neptune (discovered by a Frenchman) is now the furtherest-out planet. The French worked behind the scenes at the IAU for decades to pull that off, and they won't give it up easily.

I can't think of anything more entertaining than a real catfight between the Dems and the Frogs over whose constituency will be further from planet Earth!!"

Posted by: Sherlock at October 29, 2006 02:45 PM (pBbVV)

6 The Frogs have their faults - many, many faults - but they make some decent cheese.

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2.Steve Wehvila3155 Vernon St.Duluth, MN 55806

3.James Rush621QueenAvenueMinneapolis,MN55411

4.Liz Grice 3413 Harvard ave. Columbia, SC 29205

5.Eng. Yousef Abu Hadhoud P.O. Box 4028 North Hashemi, Amman - Jordan

6.Juliet Barriola 225 west 232cd street apt.2E Bronx, New York 10463

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Astroturfing the Military

Is there a "grass roots effort" by active military servicemen to oppose the war? No. It's an orchestrated campaign by.....wait for it.......Moveon.org and other radical Left wing organizations. Greyhawk, as usually, is all over this.

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1 "Greyhawk, as usual, is all over this."
I bet Greyrooster will be here soon enough. Greyrooster is a lonely old man without a life.

Posted by: Dill Doe at October 28, 2006 07:56 PM (HSkSw)

2 Fixy Linky Rusty!

Posted by: See-Dub at October 28, 2006 08:05 PM (xF3M2)

3 Am I missing something? The link seems to go to biblegateway.com site, so did we get hacked here?

USA all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at October 29, 2006 03:05 AM (2OHpj)

4 Same link from the USC post

Posted by: Big White Infidel at October 29, 2006 04:38 AM (luvYt)

5 Go here for the link to the article

Posted by: Big White Infidel at October 29, 2006 04:43 AM (luvYt)

6 I actually met a guy who claims to be an Iraq/Afghanistan vet against
the war. While I was chatting him up about his adventures, he couldn't
name a single unit below division level that he served with, and he got
unit deployment areas wrong, and he misused Army nomenclature as only a
civilian wannabe would, but otherwise, he was completely credible.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 29, 2006 07:23 AM (v3I+x)

7 After having visited Mudville and watched the video about Robin
Butterfield, I at first wished I could be there with her, but then,
when the lefturd smirkingly said her son and other Marines "killed,
raped, and sodomized children", I'm glad I wasn't, because it's not
worth going to prison for the murder of a lefturd. Soon, however, there
will be enough chaos so that a corpse or so turning up now and then
won't draw so much attention. The lefturds want nothing more than war
in our streets, and I'm with them on that one, because they have no
idea whatsoever is in store for them.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 29, 2006 07:44 AM (v3I+x)

8 IM, Amen to that brother!! You guys have to fight two enemies on American streets and no mercy for either!!

Posted by: Big White Infidel at October 29, 2006 09:08 AM (luvYt)

9 Sing praises to the Lord! IM and Big White Infidel form an allegiance! /sarcasm/enabled

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 29, 2006 06:05 PM (Dd86v)

10 I'm sorry Larry, was that supposed to be clever or something? We all
still know you're a lefturd, so don't start thinking your opinion
counts or anything.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 30, 2006 10:52 AM (v3I+x)

11 Right! Like anybody takes your death chants and rants seriously ...

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at November 01, 2006 12:39 AM (Dd86v)

12 Dill Doe: You pityful little nerd. If you only knew. Then you would be a pityful jealous little nerd.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 01, 2006 11:16 AM (ZzIWW)

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October 27, 2006

Arizona '9/11 Memorial' Protest Tomorrow

Curt from Flopping Aces wants to remind everyone about the rally tomorrow to protest the Arizona Fortress of Dhimmitude.

The so-called memorial is an example of ultra leftwing moral relativism at its most disgraceful, and is really a deliberate slap in the face to the victims of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

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1 Go for some Al Sadr cock.

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 27, 2006 02:41 PM (Dd86v)

2 I don't know Greg, ask the KozKids. They have the same problem.

Posted by: Big White Infidel at October 27, 2006 02:42 PM (yyH7u)

3 Greg still can't resist the 7th grade foul mouth.

On topic - What I want to know is why has every 9/11 memorial so far
been some form of a crescent? Don't these people see the stark
resemblance to the Muslim crescent? Are they friggin blind?
Why do they include narrative from several other issues not pertaining
at all the the 9/11 atrocity? As far as I know a "memorial"
should be something to memorialize a particular person or
occurrance. Not a platform to sound off on any number of other
gripes and issues.

Posted by: Oyster at October 27, 2006 03:04 PM (BGgmD)

4 I still think this one went under everyone's radar. One of the last quotes on this abomination was "Terrorist Organization Leader Addresses American People 10/24/2004." This was placed directly below "President Address Nation" on the 9/11 timeline. This of course gives equal standing to the President addressing the nation after the biggest attack since Pearl Harbor and a grainy video of a madman spouting rhetoric in a cave shown on Al Jazerra. Of course, the left holds that particular Osama tape in high regard because that was the October Suprise of the 2004 election. If it wasn't for that tape, Kerry would have won.

Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at October 27, 2006 03:25 PM (oC8nQ)

5 Is there a virtual protest? I can't get down there physically?

Posted by: Michael Weaver at October 27, 2006 03:40 PM (2OHpj)

6 Hey Greg, I'd like to see you say that to Stan's face. Tough little faggot when you're half way around the world. I've watched lefturd piece of shit trolls like you die in Israel, India and other countries and I'll see a lot more. You've probably already glued goat-hair on your ass so when the jihadis hit American soil, you can try to be the first one they assf%$k.

Posted by: Big White Infidel at October 27, 2006 03:56 PM (yyH7u)

7 Oyster,

The "crescent moon" shape is for the "moon"bats. It's a memorial for them, not the victims.

Posted by: Big White Infidel at October 27, 2006 04:00 PM (yyH7u)

8 What I want to know is why has every 9/11 memorial so far
been some form of a crescent?

Exactly. They can no longer chalk it up to coincidence. The Left are for all intents and purposes a 5th column.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 27, 2006 04:15 PM (8e/V4)

9 I hear Sheik Hilali likes good head.

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 27, 2006 04:27 PM (Dd86v)

10 Fuck all of you.
You talk shit with me, expect it back.

Posted by: Greg at October 27, 2006 04:32 PM (/+dAV)

11 Greg, I seem to see your foul invective as the very first comment
here. And if you get called out on the carpet for your idiocy, it
is not an invitation to get all 7th grade on us. I realize it's
the best you can do, but I wouldn't advertise to everyone that your
brain in your head is the equivalent of a BB in a box car.

Posted by: Oyster at October 27, 2006 04:43 PM (BGgmD)

12 Oyster,
You idiot. Do you really think I wrote that?
Can't you tell a spoof post from a real one.
Get a brain.

You Nazis think you can say and do anything without consequences.
You fuck with people all over the world and expect them to lick your boots.
That's not how the animal kingdom works.
Get a clue.

Posted by: Greg at October 27, 2006 04:47 PM (19GwZ)

13 I see the offending quote has been removed.
Thank you.

Posted by: Greg at October 27, 2006 05:32 PM (19GwZ)

14 Gregturd, your very existence is offensive, and one of my greatest
regrets is that I won't get to watch you die you piece of shit.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 27, 2006 11:47 PM (v3I+x)

15 Impy,
Take this doll. Using this doll, can you show me what happened to you when you were a child?

Posted by: Greg at October 28, 2006 08:33 AM (19GwZ)

16
You fuck with people all over the world and expect them to lick your boots.

"We" fuck with people who fuck with us first. For example, it's you, Greg, coming to this website to troll-- and thus you get fucked with back. It's like that. We can be your best friends or your worst enemies. Your choice.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 28, 2006 08:44 AM (8e/V4)

17 Satanland,
Your pseudo-Christian death cult has been well documented so that your Phariseetic ways are known to all. Jesus knows you not.

You sense your own marginalization and flail wildly as you marinate in the stew of history.

Posted by: Greg at October 28, 2006 10:10 AM (19GwZ)

18 What pisses off people like Stan the infidel, Big white infidel and myself is that all our lives we have listened to peoples bullshit from afar. Then when they see us up close their attitude changes. I'm 6'5" 265 and they're bigger than me. Of course, not being a Christian I can sleep well after kicking some ass.

Posted by: Greyrooster at October 28, 2006 07:49 PM (Sc2TP)

19 Jesus knows you not.

Greg,

that sounds just slightly judgmental, and shall I say...pharisaical. The way terrorists (and their Leftwing apologists) attack America and then complain about how America wants them to lick our boots is almost as idiotic as the way you come to this website looking for a fight then complain when you get one.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 28, 2006 09:57 PM (8e/V4)

20 please stay on topic, we have a structure ( i cannot and will not call it by what it is intended to be ) it is not tax funded however its clearly insulting, why show a sign that we are this weak.
In Arizona if you can buy gas for your truck under $3 then no ones gonna compain about anything. 115 degrees frys your brain.
retards

Posted by: rob at October 28, 2006 11:11 PM (jaQRE)

21 Thy stroketh the serpent.

Posted by: Greg at October 29, 2006 08:38 AM (19GwZ)

22 Another senseless deletion. Post #1 before it was deleted by the delelte commie/hounds said this: " How do I get the taste of Osama's cock out of my mouth? " to which I replyed: " Go for some Al Sadr cock. " Without the 1st post my reply appears a little retarded, gay and out of context. So, down with the deleters. That was really senseless.

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 29, 2006 06:32 PM (Dd86v)

23 thats why you do not donate money for this blog. Thankyou for posting your comments. From your comments and others, thats the reason i do not donate.

Posted by: rob at October 29, 2006 09:49 PM (jaQRE)

24 If you'd just lick my boots, greg, I'd be happy. Now get to work. I accidently stepped in some of your droppings in another post.

Posted by: Oyster at October 30, 2006 06:43 AM (YudAC)

25 Commentary and pictures on the blamemorial can be found on my blog at http://saynototheleft.blogspot.com

Posted by: Liberalism Is A Mental Disorder at October 30, 2006 08:05 AM (JQOQp)

26 Oyster,
Now, now, save that for Mr. Oyster.

Posted by: Greg at October 30, 2006 03:22 PM (/+dAV)

27 Greg:

The Nazis were socialists just like you. Why don't you call the other people on this thread muslims, or secular regressives? That would be as accurate as calling them Nazis.

Stop talking about sgroking serpents. You sound like Barney frank.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at October 30, 2006 04:02 PM (bLPT+)

28 Not only do I not donate on account of the deletions, but I think I'll stop commenting as well. Just leave the space for Star Wars: IM VS the moonbats.

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 30, 2006 05:21 PM (Dd86v)

29 And they cry and wring their hands when they can't get their videos to stay up on Youtube! What goes around comes around!

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 30, 2006 05:31 PM (Dd86v)

30 Robat: Who the hell you think you are? Some of us don't like your comments any better than you like Larrys.

Posted by: Greyrooster at October 31, 2006 05:43 PM (mCJ+p)

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