April 19, 2007

Islam: Tribe of Choice for America Haters

More on that 'Ismail Ax' connection to the Virginia Tech mass murderer. It's very clear that Cho Seung-Hui chose the Arabic form of Ishmael (Ismail) to make some sort of statement, and I think Bowyer's gets it right from the get go.

TCS:

First it was Johnny Muhammad, now it was Cho Sueng Hui aka Ismail Ax. Precisely how many mass shooters have to turn out to have adopted Muslim names before we get it? Islam has become the tribe of choice of those who hate American society. I'm not talking about people who grew up as Muslims, confident and secure in their faith, good fathers, sons and neighbors. I'm talking about the angry, malignant, narcissist loners who want to reject their community utterly, to throw off their 'slave name' and represent the downtrodden of the earth by shooting their friends and neighbors.
Many other outlets are focusing on the Abraham and Ishmael story to understand the symbolism of the murderers chosen name. Read the rest of Bowyers article for that. But I think the importance lies elsewhere. The importance of correctly identifying the roots of the present conflict. Those roots are in the clash of civilizations.

For some, becoming a Muslim is a public renunciation of America and the West. In choosing between us and them, these converts choose them.

Many others, though, never become Muslim. Instead, these fellow travellers--Marxists, mainly--identify with them as "the downtrodden". They've already chosen them. Any them will do. The them of choice these days just happens to follow Islam and, oddly enough, disdain Marx more than Adam Smith.

Here's some anectodal evidence that this is true. In one of my "outside the Jawa" projects, I've been involved in several confrontations with jihad supporters. Many of them, however, claim not to be Muslim. Instead, they are the fellow-travellers mentioned above. Marxist-Leninists of one stripe or another and especially devotees of the cult of Che Guevara.

In fact, what passes for wit for many of them is to combine the name of a Communist revolutionary with the name of a famous Muslim historical figure or recent shahid. That is, despite rejecting Islam as a religion they do embrace Islam as an identity. They feel they have more in common with a Palestinian in Gaza than they do with their neighbor across the street.

This type of fellow traveller is especially prevalant on the modern college campus where all the world's ills are commonly laid at the feet of Western civilization.

I'm not trying to imply that Cho was either a Muslim nor that he was a Communist. However, in addition to being a lunatic, it would seem that he was also an America hater.

It says something more about the social construction of Islamic identity than it does about Cho's personal demons. That is, Islam is seen by many as the symbol of 'resistance' to [insert demon here: 'imperialism', 'Zionism', 'consumerism', 'over sexualization', etc.].

Was Cho a Muslim? I doubt it and have been saying so since day one--despite being called "hater" by the nitwits at the Arabisto who didn't bother reading the post they link to. But in his warped mind Cho was someone who was setting the crooked world straight and bringing justice to those responsible. He was the downtrodden, and American society the oppressors.

Cho was no Muslim, but he chose a Muslim name to make a statement. That statement was that he was not one of us. And if that is accurate, then Muslims in America are going to need to more vocally reject groups like CAIR, MAS, and the ISNA to 'speak for them'. Because as long as these groups speak for Muslims, then the perception that Muslims are them rather than us will continue.

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1 The son, throws epithets at his father calling him a 'Catholic
priest'. And makes derisive comments about McDonalds. It seems that
none of the foundational structures of Western Civilization,
Christianity, capitalism, family, are spared his rage.


The anti-American tribes like marxism, Islam, modern Liberalism, etc., scoop up the losers of our society that have been left by the wayside or who feel they got the short end of the stick.  In other words, they're envious of what they call "the Establishment" and the "status quo."  To the anti-Americans, these terms are not value neutral, but have the most vile of connotations.  It is everything they hate because it is everything they are not.  But it is only envy.

They're envious of blue-eyed, blond-haired whiteys who make them feel like "mud" people every time they look in the mirror.  They're envious of the rich who make them feel like sub-humans toiling away at dead-end jobs instead of the children of destiny they think they are in their own warped minds.  And they're resentful of organized religion (christianity) which they believe only serves to legitimize all the things they hate.  But they hate it only because they envy it.  Yet in their secret heart they wish they were everything they claim to hate.

Look at Cho.  He railed against the "rich kids" and their "debauchery", yet it was he who stalked them because he wanted some of the "debauchery" for himself.   He wanted it so bad.  And he railed against it only because he couldn't have it.  That is the heart of Liberalism and the rest of the anti-American tribes.



Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 19, 2007 11:11 AM (8e/V4)

2 Apparantly he wrote the number 88. MSNBC has it here It may be slow to load due to traffic
 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18186080/
 
 
Here is the site explaining the neo nazi/hate symbols: http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/numbers_88.asp
 
 

Posted by: allahakchew at April 19, 2007 11:27 AM (BrndJ)

3 Nice try. Cho was in no way inspired by Islam or was a Muslim. He clearly said "I die like Jesus", and repeatedly said that he was being crucified. He calls himself Ishmael-who is also in the bible.

Too bad for you but  Cho  was modeling himself after  Jesus.

 

Posted by: safi at April 19, 2007 12:41 PM (tVHVW)

4 Madonna models herself after Jesus in her concerts.  Is that how you mean it?

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 19, 2007 12:47 PM (8e/V4)

5 Labelling Islam as America hater tribe lacks all sort of intellectual acuity. Islam existed since Adam and America was allegedly discovered by Columbus and his 40 theives. Islam hates oppression and loves freedom, if america is an oppressor it is definetly hated, but since American is the land of freedom, where there is no room for narrow minded people like the small band of muslims-haters, then ISLAM and MUSLIMS definitly LOVE AMERICA. Despite your opinions that are withouth much intelligence and simulataneously full of hate toward the other, ISLAM LOVES AMERICA. But you, and your ilks, hate Amerian and hate Islam and before all, you hate yourself.
 
 
 

Posted by: Gesus at April 19, 2007 02:12 PM (E+5bB)

6 Labelling Islam as America hater tribe lacks all sort of intellectual acuity.

Honestly, you just showed an amazing lack of that acuity yourself.  He said Islam has become the tribe of choice FOR THOSE WHO ALREADY HATE AMERICA.  Twenty years ago that tribe of choice would have been marxism, and twenty years from now it may no longer be Islam.  It'll be something else that better serves as an outlet for that America hatred.  Islam just happens to be convenient right now.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 19, 2007 02:16 PM (8e/V4)

7 MEMO TO: CHO
FROM: OSAMA
 
MESSAGE:  MPBUY

Posted by: n.a. palm at April 19, 2007 03:29 PM (blKrl)

8 Cho referenced dying like Jesus Christ, so if any religion is to blame it is his misconception of Christianity. Nonetheless, no religion should be blamed for this for neither Christianity, Islam, nor Judaism condone his actions. Anyone saying otherwise is merely spreading the hate that Cho had and put into action. Stop this hate!

A likely root to the handle may be in the novel Ishmael; In the Depths by EDEN Southworth. This novel describes Ishmael’s descent into madness, as the girl he loves is of such a class that despite his frustration they can never be together. Ishmael uses an ax to vent his frustration and his feverish chopping of wood is a sign of his descent into madness, and in the end his recovery from his obsession. Being an English Major it is not unlikely that the protagonist was aware of this work despite its obscurity

Posted by: Alex at April 19, 2007 05:12 PM (xICP1)

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Good muslims. Ha, Ha. Academic meathead.


 


 


 


 


Gesus: Islam sucks and so does your phedophile prophet. Piss be upon him.


Posted by: greyrooster at April 19, 2007 07:54 PM (NgtYK)

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"Apparantly he wrote the number 88"  


 Oh yeah, I've been slapped with that association for using "88" for an entirely different reason than the one used by the 'hate groups'.  The whole "88 = HH = Heil Hitler" thing isn't what I'm about, but boy golly, the second I used the number I got slammed for it!


I disaprove of racial supremecy arguments by anyone, regardless of the race they are promoting.  It's kinda funny (not) when someone says your a nazi white supremecist because you like the number. I think it's like being called 'racist' when you say someone is 'articulate'. 


Anyway, the hate thing could be valid, but from personal experience I'd suggest being careful with the accusation.


 USA, all the way!


Posted by: Michael Weaver at April 19, 2007 08:43 PM (2OHpj)

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safi,  To bad for you but claiming to die 'like Jesus' doesn't make it so!  How Jesus was crucified is almost the exact opposite of running around gunning down helpless civilians, then shooting your face off!  If he had said he was dying like Nicole Brown Simpson it would be physically the same difference. Jesus was the one being killed! Ms Simpson was the one being killed! Use this comparison in the hopes it will peirce your vaccum sealed little brain with the obvious absurdity!  The most violent and murderous 'Jesus' is the Islamic interpretation. LOOK IT UP!  It sure ain't Christian.    


             USA, all the way!


Posted by: Michael Weaver at April 19, 2007 08:52 PM (2OHpj)

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"Islam existed since Adam"  Gesus merry!


Well buddy, I dispute that claim, as well as the rest of that taqiyya swill your serving up!


Typically in Muslim history, the 'love' shown to the great civilzations that pre-existed them is shown by moving in, acting nice till the numbers favor them, and then seizing power, and claiming the previous greatness had been the 'Muslims' all along!


You want to talk about thieves!? TRY FOURTEEN CENTURIES OF THIEVING IN THE NAME OF ALLAH!!!


 Why don't these Muslims actually invent thier own civilization whole cloth instead of murdering someone elses and EATING THE CORPSE!? 


Sure Islam "LOVES" America ... Like Muslims love the wives they beat, and the children they raise as suicide bombers!  I don't think we need THAT KIND OF LOVE! 


Islam seems to pretty much hate anything that isn't it's little submissive slave!  I've really tried to see it differently, but lie after lie after lie is revealed, showing that ISLAM breeds social desease! 


I DO believe there are good people who are Muslims, but I also believe they don't know what they are part of, and you see good people who get wise, leaving Islam all the time! 


Your claim about Adam and Islam is deeply and genuinely insulting! Even the Geico CAVEMAN would agree!


"Fight those who do not believe in Allah ..."  Surah 9-29 begins!    Thanks for ALL THE 'LOVE' !!!


USA, all the way!   


Posted by: Michael Weaver at April 19, 2007 09:12 PM (2OHpj)

13 There are no good people that ate muslims.

Posted by: greyrooster at April 22, 2007 09:29 AM (Sih+1)

14 Nazi white supremecist is redundant.

Posted by: greyrooster at April 25, 2007 11:00 PM (yp+ZO)

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