February 20, 2006

The same newspaper has refused to publish the Muhammed cartoons which have sparked worldwide riots, murders, and calls to impose the death penalty on all who blaspheme by misunderstanderers of the Religion of Peace.
Here is how they hypocritically defend not showing the Muhammed cartoons, but showing big gay Jesus:
But was it really freedom of the press, or a case of media martyrdom? Publishing these cartoons seems to do little more than fan the flames of already-existing controversy. Is it the press's responsibility to decide what people should absorb, or is providing an option more important? Articles are somewhat different; you can decide whether or not to read something based on the headline - which, admittedly, is questionable on the subject of giving audiences agency. A graphic or photograph, however, is much more intense: you don't really have the choice to view it or not.Right.
More at Exposed Agenda with hat tip to Greg at Rhymes with Right.
Related from Publius Pundit via Michelle Malkin. Incidentally, I lived in Russia for a time and the newspapers often contain nude women. So, it's okay to have a centerfold in your newspaper but it's not okay to offend Muslims?
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Posted by: dave at February 20, 2006 10:46 AM (CcXvt)
One more stray thought: Doesn't this particular image at least symbolically equate Mohammed with Judas? It's not as though this cartoon is the first place where Jesus has been kissed, ya know.
Posted by: Joshua at February 20, 2006 10:50 AM (2c7xL)
Posted by: jesusland joe at February 20, 2006 11:01 AM (rUyw4)
Whoa. Deep thoughts.
Posted by: Rusty at February 20, 2006 11:14 AM (JQjhA)
Insulting just a group or community isn't ok. You should rather insult everybody you can.
One more reason why it's Canadian is the "promotion" (lack of a better word, sorry) of homosexuality. University papers seems to seek every opportunity to give gay exposure.
I got to move away from this country...
- Max
Posted by: Max at February 20, 2006 11:16 AM (aPkwd)
Just be sure to end up in a red state. You won't find much difference between Ottawa and Connecticut.
Posted by: Rusty at February 20, 2006 11:21 AM (JQjhA)
I rahter would have seen Mohammed kissing Jezus!..
To get a sertain nuance right!
But, ...anything for the right politics, so to speak!
Posted by: Dan at February 20, 2006 11:22 AM (Z2OsI)
I think the kind of person I am, and, from what I read here, the kind of most persons here are less and less present. That's sad, because in my opinion it's not a question of beleives or religion, it's a question of COMMON SENSE. But in the world we are living, if you yell, burn or kill, you most likely win everything.
Here in Canada, and especially in Québec, you can't joke on the following subjects:
- Gay;
- Ethnicity;
- Religion (exeption made of Christianity); and
- Women's rights.
The only people left laughing at are Catholic heterosexual white men aged between 18 to 60.
Why? Because no one complain.
I'm tired of all that sh.t
- Max
Posted by: Max at February 20, 2006 11:42 AM (WM45z)
I recommend Texas if you like lots of different kinds of people, or Northwest Arkansas if you want to live in a WASP region. Conservative Catholics are seen as WASPs in Arkansas, as they basically think alike. I am currently working in the Conway, Arkansas, area and it is pretty nice with proximity to Little Rock. I am from West Texas(Abilene), but have to follow the oil and gas business, as that is what I work in. There is a huge new natural gas discovery in the Conway area, and the economy is booming here and all over NW Arkansas. Texas is down a little economically, at least for us oil patch guys.
I'm sure Tennessee is nice, and many of the Midwest and western states are great, too, but I'm just telling you about what I know. So come on to the US, Max, we need good guys like you.
Posted by: jesusland joe at February 20, 2006 11:54 AM (rUyw4)
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Posted by: john ryan at February 20, 2006 01:09 PM (TcoRJ)
Yes, I was surprised that the majority of Muslims in Iraq, the Shiites won, I was expecting the Christians to win, or at least the Freemasons.
Posted by: dave at February 20, 2006 01:20 PM (CcXvt)
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Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 20, 2006 05:23 PM (M3nr/)
They want to appear tough on the "issue" which is why they singled out JESUS. This passes for courage among liberals and leftists.
Fine with me - but hey islamists! They are just being coy and jerking your chain! This not only is a cartoon portrayal of Mohammed - he is being presented as homosexual and submissive to Chistianity. So if you want to drive a truck bomb thru their front door - knock yourself out - they are no kin of mine.
Posted by: hondo at February 20, 2006 07:12 PM (fyKFC)
Posted by: Kevin at February 20, 2006 08:33 PM (OG7Pi)
If'n y'all dee-cide to move to the USofA, pleese consider Freehold, Iowa (I know it's a yankee state, or blue state, but we true Christians are a'takin' over!!! GLOWry!!!! Pleese visit my church: Landover Baptist Church..."where the worthwhile worship"! http://www.landoverbaptist.org
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Posted by: jesusland joe at February 20, 2006 09:16 PM (rUyw4)
Posted by: jesusland joe at February 20, 2006 09:19 PM (rUyw4)
I may be stoopid, but at least I'm saved and GLOWRY-bound! Love the Muslim, Hate the Muslim-isms!
Posted by: Christian Wright at February 20, 2006 09:24 PM (/3Yyj)
Posted by: dave at February 20, 2006 10:26 PM (CcXvt)
By yer language, I'm thinkin' yer an unsaved, potty-mouthed, LIE-brahl, secular-humanist! Please leave our Godly, true-Christian message board. Canada might be a good place fer yer kind. SHOOO!!!!!
Posted by: Christian Wright at February 20, 2006 11:04 PM (/3Yyj)
Posted by: Farah C. Church at February 20, 2006 11:14 PM (/3Yyj)
I already tought about moving to the States. Much better weather than here, and when I was thinking of joining the army 9 years ago, I knew that I would have more opportunity to go oversea.
Rusty: I think your server was attacked by those e-jihads fuc.ers yesterday, around 1400 and 1600 eastern time...
Did you got any problems with it?
Posted by: Max at February 21, 2006 07:46 AM (aPkwd)
When i see 2 religious Icons together they better have swords in their hands!
How about Muhammad and Jesus beheading Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny?
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Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 21, 2006 04:44 PM (0yYS2)
Posted by: jesusland joe at February 21, 2006 07:03 PM (rUyw4)
Second, in first century Palestine kissing persons of the same sex was a common form of greeting and not associated with homosexuality.
Third, cowboy hats would have been an amusing touch but would have interfered with the elegant ambiguity of the cartoon as it stands.
Fourth, I am not offended. I expect everyone is relieved to hear that.
Posted by: Thomas M. Hawkesworth at February 23, 2006 01:19 PM (7y2db)
I hear you, but may I point you that they (in the cartoon) are in a swan going trough the "tunnel of tolerance"?
It's not just the kissing, it's the context.
I'm not offended by a cartoon. I'm offended by the context of things. (Sorry for the bad English).
- Max
Posted by: Max at February 24, 2006 11:24 AM (aPkwd)
http://www.drawmohammed.com/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=4
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You know what, these modifications will protect us much more than the disastrous gun control policy àla Paul Martin...
- Max
Posted by: Max at February 09, 2006 02:34 PM (WM45z)
These people are supposed to know what means a police state. By saying that Canada could possibly become one, just because the conservative have been elected (as a minority!) makes me wonder how can they be so stupid...
- Max
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Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 09, 2006 08:34 PM (0yYS2)
I'll need *Well Over* a dozen Bradors -- the old 12% alcohol kind -- to believe that one!
And then, the next day, I'll wake up around the crack of noon, and...
Bill
Posted by: Bill at February 09, 2006 10:46 PM (Sz2GJ)
Look at it this way, the greater the intensity of leftwing/muslim extremist protestation to a piece of policy/law/legislation, the better that policy/law/legislation is.
Posted by: MathewK at February 09, 2006 10:55 PM (pVHqF)
Does anyone know the outcome of talks about allowing Sharia Law in their civil courts late last summer? I can't remember which part of Canada it was.
Posted by: Oyster at February 10, 2006 05:47 AM (YudAC)
It all started with the womens' suffrage movement, which was a valid cause that they tried, and partially turned to their own use, which was erosion of the established power structure. Then was collectivism, which succeeded more than we realize, because it gave us Socialist Security and the labor unions, both of which still impede our economy today, and threaten future generations with economic collapse. Then they infiltrated the civil rights movement, and steered it toward what it is today; an establishment of racist demogoguery run by con artists and scammers like Sharpton, Farrakhan, Jackson, et al, who by rights should be relegated to hustling three card monty on streetcorners and pimping, but who instead, thanks to liberalism, wield considerable power in our society, which in itself is a telling fact.
Nothing liberals have ever touched has turned out for the better, but quite the contrary, everything they take an interest in only results in the degredation of society to the point that we have now, when citizens of formerly great nations won't even stand up against a savage, primitive invader because they just don't care enough. Liberals should all be killed before it's too late.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 10, 2006 06:00 AM (0yYS2)
It is Ontario. They are still in court debating about this, I think. But from what I heard, there's no chance they'll get it. People in Québec have already said no, for sure...
- Max
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Brant
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August 27, 2005
His closest friends say a Cooksville man accused of being a terrorist is near death as he enters the 65th day of a hunger strike.Oh the torture and inhumanity of not having TV!!A fading Hassan Almrei, 31, spoke to The News yesterday afternoon from the Metro West Detention Centre, where he has been held on a national security certificate for the past four years without being charged. The federal government and the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) allege Almrei is linked to terrorist kingpin Osama bin Laden....
Almrei, a Syrian refugee who came to Mississauga in 1999, is protesting provincial correctional services rules that allow him just 20 minutes a day outside of his cell, and no television or radio in his solitary confinement cell.
"I've been here for four years without charge and under these conditions," he said. "This is something I would expect in Syria or Iraq, but not Canada, the country I came to for freedom. All I am asking for are simple human rights."...
Almrei said he wants an hour a day of fresh air, as well as a radio and television in his cell.
The government's decision to deport Almrei has already been upheld by the federal court.
Now the immigration minister must decide whether the risk Almrei poses to Canada outweighs the risk of Almrei being tortured upon return to Syria.
Meanwhile, Almrei is fighting to be let out on bail.
Several prominent public figures, including Alexandre Trudeau, the son of former Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau, and former federal New Democratic Party (NDP) leader Alexa McDonough, have offered to put up Almrei's bail.
File under hunger strikees we'd like to see succeed. This story is a couple of days old. It will be interesting to see if he chickens out at the last minute and eats.
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Terrorist or not, being held in jail for years without being charged with anything somehow strikes me as...un-American.
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Posted by: THANOS35 at August 27, 2005 11:03 PM (hcN1S)
Wow. He really hasn't gotten much news, has he? He still thinks Saddam is running Iraq and will torture him by not letting him have a TV. You know, being that it's a human right to have TV and all.
Posted by: Oyster at August 28, 2005 07:30 AM (YudAC)
They should only offer a porketta sub as an option.
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June 15, 2005
First this from The Toronto Star (via James Joyner):
The RCMP and Canadian military believe they've discovered a vital cache of information on Al Qaeda that includes the whereabouts of wanted members and details of attacks on coalition forces in Afghanistan.Who is Zaynab Khadr? From The Toronto Free Press we learn that her family is good buddies with the bin Ladens. The bin Ladens throw the most fabulous dinner parties, dahling! Oh, and Osama just happened to show up at her wedding. How utterly inappropriate--he wasn't even dressed for the occasion:The information is allegedly contained in a laptop, dozens of DVDs, audiocassettes and the pages of diaries, seized by the RCMP officers who met Zaynab Khadr at Pearson airport with a search warrant as she arrived back in Canada in February, court documents state.
Zaynab Khadr claims she didn’t know that terrorist Osama bin Laden would attend her wedding in Pakistan....And it was just a coincidence that she's been swapping Osama bin Laden MP3s for her iPod:"I mean we don’t even write invitations for weddings," Khadr told the Toronto Star in a sympathetic interview shortly after her return to Canada. "We just say there’s a wedding and everybody’s invited and everybody passes it on."
Now the 25-year-old says she didn’t know clips of bin Laden’s voice calling for the killing of Americans were on the laptop computer seized by the RCMP at Pearson airport when she returned to Canada last February.Hey, who doesn't have the latest bin Laden podcast?
And check out what else is on her computer. I mean, is it possible that she somehow broke into my office and swapped out my C drive? Cause, it's like a freakish coincidence that we have all the same files on our computer:
Alleged to be among Khadr’s RCMP-confiscated possessions are downloaded clips of bin Laden’s voice and songs–one entitled "I Am a Terrorist". On the laptop is also a video clip of a 2003 attack on a compound used by Westerners in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia and cassettes about insurgent attacks in Afghanistan. Canada, Khadr’s adopted country has troops stationed in Afghanistan.Eeeerie.
Oh, and about all those innocent victims down there in Guantanomo. Yep, how could this not be an al Qaeda post without some sort of reference to Camp X-Ray?
When a chador-clad Khadr quietly slipped back into Toronto on February 17, 2005, she said she had returned to Canada to lobby for the rights of her two brothers, 18-year-old Omar, who is Canada’s only known detainee at Guatanamo Bay and her brother, Abdullah, whose whereabouts have been unknown since October, 2004.So, we have a Canadian chick with ties to Osama bin Laden trying to help her terrorist brother get out of Guantanamo? Sounds innocent to me!
Oh, and it's not just her brother. It seems jihadism runs in the family:
Her father, the late Ahmed Said Khadr, officially identified as Canada’s highest-ranking member of Al Qaeda, was sprung from a Pakistani prison when former Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien successfully intervened on his behalf through then Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir BhuttoGotta love it when Canada intervenes on behalf of one of its fine outstanding citizens like that.
Oh, and just in case you want to e-mail Zaynab Khadr you can reach her at: zak79up@yahoo.ca
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Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at June 15, 2005 03:59 PM (x+5JB)
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at June 15, 2005 04:05 PM (0yYS2)
The quote that the stuff didn't belong to her, just happened to buy it all second hand and didn't know it's contents but decided to bring it anyway was funny.
Posted by: dave at June 15, 2005 05:05 PM (fsJ2z)
I guess the joke will come 10 or so years down the road when the MUSLIM COUNCIL OF COMMUNITY ELDERS puts you to death for passing out free heroin or advocating gay marriage in BC.
Sometimes I wonder what the left is thinking when they back these people. They make snake handlers in West Virginia look liberal.
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Giscard regrets constitution sent to French people
15.06.2005 - 09:49 CET | By Lisbeth Kirk
It was a crucial mistake to send out the entire constitution to every French voter, the architect of the EU's first constitution Valéry Giscard d'Estaing has said in an interview.
In an interview with the New York Times, his first since the French rejection of the constitution two weeks ago, the former French president apportions most of the blame to president Jacques Chirac for failure in the referendum campaign.
One crucial mistake was to send out the entire three-part, 448-article document to every French voter, said Mr Giscard.
Over the phone he had warned Mr Chirac already in March: "I said, 'Don't do it, don't do it'".
"It is not possible for anyone to understand the full text".
Mr Giscard d'Estaing also puts the blame on the present generation of political leaders.
Neither Mr Chirac nor other European leaders had a strategy for ratifying the constitution, he said.
"The present generation of leaders, whatever their strengths, never put Europe at the top of their agenda".
Mr Giscard d'Estaing was appointed by EU leaders at the Laeken summit in December 2001 to head a 102-member convention and draft a European Constitution.
Today Mr Giscard believes the constitution probably would have passed in France if the EU leaders had not left open the possibility of full EU membership for Turkey.
This week the bloc's leaders will meet in Brussels to decide the fate of the constitution, or "my document", as Mr Giscard puts it.
The ratification process should continue across Europe, the former president advises and predicts: "In the end, it will pass", he added. "There is no better solution".
http://www.euobserver.com/?sid=9&aid=19331
Posted by: Zebrab5 at June 16, 2005 12:34 AM (DoxEP)
The Straight Scoop from Charlie Daniels
I've just returned from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba Naval Air Station base where we did three shows for the troops and toured several locations around the post visiting with some of the finest military personnel on planet earth. The kids seemed to really enjoy the shows and especially liked "This Ain't No Rag, It's A Flag" and "In America". We had a great time with them.
We saw Camp X-Ray, where the Taliban detainees are being held only from a distance, but I picked up a lot of what's going on there from talking with a lot of different people.
The truth of the matter is that this operation is under a microscope. The Red Cross has an on site presence there and watches everything that goes on very closely. The media is not telling you the whole truth about what's going on over there. The truth is that these scum bags are not only being treated humanely, but they are probably better off healthwise and medically than they've ever been in their lives. They are fed well, able to take showers and receive state of the art medical care. And have their own Moslem chaplain. I saw several of them in a field hospital ward where they were being treated in a state of the art medical facility.
Now let's talk about the way they treat our people. First of all, they have to be watched constantly. These people are committed and wanton murderers who are willing to die just to kill someone else. One of the doctors told me that when they had Taliban in the hospital the staff had to really be careful with needles, pens and anything else which could possibly be used as a weapon. They also throw their excrement and urine on the troops who are guarding them. And our guys and gals have shown great restraint in not retaliating. We are spending over a million dollars a day maintaining and guarding these nasty killers and anyone who wants to see them brought to the U.S.A. for trial is either out of their heads or a lawyer looking for money and notoriety. Or both.
I wish that the media and the Red Cross and all the rest of the people who are so worried about these criminals would realize that this is not a troop of errant Boy Scouts. These are killers of the worst kind. They don't need protection from us, we need protection from them. If you don't get anything else out of this soapbox, please try to realize that when you see news coverage much of the time you're not getting the whole story, but an account filtered through a liberal mindset with an agenda.
We have two fights on our hands, the war against terror and the one against the loudmouthed lawyers and left wing media who would sap the strength from the American public by making us believe that we're losing the war or doing something wrong in fighting it. Remember these are the same people who told us that Saddam Hussein's Republican guard was going to be an all but invincible enemy and that our smart bombs and other weapons were not really as good as the military said that they were.
They also took up for Bill Clinton while he was cavorting around the Oval office with Monica Lewinsky while the terrorists were gaining strength and bombing our Embassies and dragging the bodies of dead American heroes around the dusty streets of Somalia. It's a shame that we can't have an unbiased media who would just report the truth and let us make up our own minds.
Here I must commend Fox News for presenting both sides much better than the other networks. They are leaving the other cable networks in the dust. People like being told the truth.
Our military not only needs but deserves our support. Let's give it to them.
The next time you read a media account about the bad treatment of the Taliban in Cuba, remember what I told you. Been there done that.
Footnote: I got an e-mail from a rather irate first cousin of mine the other day who has a daughter who's a lawyer and she seemed to think that I was painting all lawyers with the same brush. Please understand that I'm not doing that at all. That would be like saying that all musicians were drug addicts. There are a lot of good and honest attorneys out there. I happen to have one of them. But it seems that they never get any airtime. It's always the radicals who get their opinions heard, who fight the idea of the military tribunals and cite The Constitution and the integrity of America as their source of jus tifying their opinions. Well, first of all The Constitution says "We the people of the United States", it doesn't mention any other country.
And secondly as far as integrity is concerned, I don't think some of these folks would know integrity if it bit them in the posterior.
What do you think? God Bless America.
Charlie Daniels
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May 16, 2005
Some startling news about our neighbor to the north was reported in the Hindustan Times among other sources.
Canadian intelligence experts believe that converts to Islam in the country are becoming a major source of Al-Qaeda combatants and pose a risk to security.Shocking. I know Canada not only has intelligence experts, but a spy agency too! Who knew? But seriously, folks this is something we need to take notice of because our border with Canada is pretty porous.An intelligence report from Canada's spy service, released to a daily said "there is a direct threat to Canada and Canadian interests from Al-Qaeda and related groups," and that those groups are attempting to expand their support in Canada.
"Converts are highly prized by terrorist groups for their familiarity with the West and relative ease at moving through Western society," the recently declassified Canadian Security Intelligence Service report said.This is the real danger posed in this story.
"The perception that the West is attacking Islam on multiple fronts continues to anger the Muslim world and contributes to support for radical views. Converts in particular are prone to extreme views because of their new-found zeal."That's what's on the other side of our border to the north. Anybody care to venture a guess what's going on to the south?When CSIS Director Jim Judd testified recently before the Senate committee reviewing Canada's anti-terrorism legislation, he noted there were now suspected terrorists in Canada that "have had no discernible previous link of any kind with the terrorist networks."
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Posted by: Venom at May 16, 2005 09:43 AM (dbxVM)
Posted by: Matt Hurley at May 16, 2005 09:57 AM (vQcWL)
1) To emphasize the triviality of the original post. While border security is important, I'd hardly call it "porous," since Canada has had to comply with U.S.-stipulated border controls. In short, since Canada wanted to continue to do business with its largest trading partner, it had to tighten all of its borders (land, sea, air, electronic, etc.) in manners the U.S. deemed necessary.
2) To have a little fun. This is, after all, a Star Wars-themed blog.
Posted by: Venom at May 16, 2005 10:06 AM (dbxVM)
I got the fun part... : ) However, I can imagine someone trying to make the point that Lucas has some sage advice for the world on the issues of the day...and I ain't buying that even on a STAR WARS-themed blog...
Posted by: Matt Hurley at May 16, 2005 10:32 AM (vQcWL)
I don't really know who you're referring to in this statement. If you're commenting on the Canadian government, I'd say that stationing troops in Afghanistan and helping rid that country of the Taliban & Al Qaeda pretty much proves their on the U.S.'s side of the GWOT. Remember, the GWOT means "Global," not just Iraq.
If you're referring to elements of the Canadian population, I'd counter by saying that there are likely more "Americans" in the U.S. that share those exact same views (just by using proportional representation in both countries). I'd say these people would pose the bigger threat, since they're already inside.
Of course, I suppose it's much easier for you to lash out at another country rather than reflect towards home.
Posted by: Venom at May 16, 2005 11:39 AM (dbxVM)
Posted by: Robin Roberts at May 16, 2005 01:45 PM (xauGB)
Your definition of ally seems to imply that other countries should act not in their own best interests, but in the U.S.'s best interests. Why? Further, what definition of ally do you use?
Posted by: Venom at May 16, 2005 02:16 PM (dbxVM)
Canada acts in ways that are not even in its own best interests.
Posted by: Robin Roberts at May 16, 2005 03:09 PM (xauGB)
And as for this:
"Canada acts in ways that are not even in its own best interests."
Please elaborate. Canada seems to be doing pretty well with its own foreign policy. It's able to keep the U.S. as an ally while making its own decisions.
Posted by: Venom at May 16, 2005 04:49 PM (dbxVM)
As if the US hasn't? Wake up people!!!!
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Posted by: Bill Elter at July 08, 2005 03:00 PM (PDq8m)
"While I admire the small unit of troops Canada sent to Afghanistan, Canada's support in the GWOT is lukewarm at best."
I think you should realise that while we have a great land mass up here our population is equal to that of the state of California. We are a small country in terms of population - we are a country that takes pride in our international efforts in peacekeeping missions and being a tolerant people NOT in being a military power.
"Canada's inability to defend itself, and its policy to undermine the US' attempts to defend both the US and Canada ( witness their idiotic stance on missile defense ) is not the behavior of a ally but of a narcissistic Left elite isolated from reality."
We could not defend ourselves against an attack from a major military power like the USA... nobody in their right mind would claim we could - but I think many of our American brothers south of the border greatly underestimate what capabilities we do have up here in military terms. We are quite capable of defending ourselves from any REALISTIC threat, as the likelyhood of the US, Russia, England or other countries with massive populations declaring war on us is next to nil. I suppose if we devoted all of our resources to the military we could bump ourselves up the list on "countries we can compete with" but even with %100 devotion to becoming a military power we would never come close to the USA or England. We do not devote massive resources to R&D of military technology but we do keep our forces up to date with the latest aircraft, naval vessels and infantry equipment and tactics and I'm sorry my friend but no matter how many times the stereo type that we depend on the USA for national defense is spouted it won't bring it any closer to being the truth.
I'm also sorry to say but our idiotic stance on ballistic missile defense isn't so idiotic at all. When and if the next attack comes to North America what will be the means of delivery. A ballistic missile or a suitcase left in a truck? Think about it. The USA and Canada already have NORAD to monitor our airspace. We have no interest in putting weapons in orbit around our planet or escalating/pushing the R&D of such weapons. We have no desire to undermine the security of this continent, we've just realized that the 80's are OVER.
I can't speak for all Canadians or for the future decisions of our government but it is my strong opinion that the best position for us (as Canadians) is to concentrate on internal security rather than sending our troops abroad to stir up trouble or escalating the delivery systems of WMD's no matter who's behind the trigger. Now, I may strike a nerve here but look at my statement from my shoes - We don't go around the world whacking the hornets nest with a big stick. We are a target of terrorism on the basis of association with "Western Culture" not because of our actions abroad. That being said, we (being the average Canadian citizen) are not ignorant to our own position or the position of our neighbors to the south. The least we can do is help keep terrorist elements out of our continent and support logical and sane actions - to us Afghanistan made sense, Iraq did NOT.
Times are changing, if Sep 11 had been a conventional military attack by ANY country in the world we would be mobilizing our entire force right now as we've done throughout EVERY major overseas conflict since WWI with the exception of Vietnam and the 2nd action in IRAQ. I would say we've done our fare share when it comes to fighting for freedom and democracy. It's not unfair to expect that we can stay out of certain conflicts (Vietnam and the Invasion of Iraq WITHOUT UN support) without being blasted as narcissistic Left elite isolated from reality.
Amazing what a few draft-dodgers moving to Canada during the Vietnam war will do to a reputation. Stop beleiving what's spoon fed to you and look it up.
Thank you.
Posted by: Colin Jinkerson at July 17, 2005 12:59 PM (0YBBk)
May 07, 2005
Minutes after she arrived for a job interview at a holistic health centre last fall, Michelle found herself naked from the waist up, giving a customer a full body massage in a back storage room filled with mops, dirty laundry and cigarette butts.Currently, over 2,600 people work in the 200+ holistic centers and, according to facilities inspector James Slocum, up to 75% are sex dens. Complaints from the public are continuously investigated and prosecuted, costing taxpayers $2.5 million yearly, even while the city issues new licenses. So far, politicians haven't done anything to close down the operations. This is possibly because being paid for sex in Toronto is legal but running a business that offers sex for money is illegal. Evidently there's much confusion about how to handle the issue."I had no idea what it was going to be like," the petite 22-year-old recalls. "I kind of had to learn on the job."
Michelle learned quickly. By the end of the day, she had earned $300 providing services routinely offered in most of Toronto's city-licensed holistic centres - "nude reverses," "body slides" and "hand releases."
However, one probably needs to consider that maybe the city of Toronto just wants to develop a new image. If so, a few hundred whorehouses will likely do it.
By the way, to allay any mistaken impressions, it's beyond me as to what is involved in the holistic center routine services. I've heard of a "naked bootleg" in football, but "nude reverses" has me stymied. I guess I haven't been around the block enough times.
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*Ouch* My head hurts from the double-think there. Hypocrisy makes for awful law, doesn't it?
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April 05, 2005
But I thought it was the other way around? Bush=Hitler, neocon cabal, Patriot act gulags, etc....?
Wrong. The name Michael J. Bryant should send more chills up your spine than John Ashcroft ever did. Captain Ed has the goods.
UPDATE: Either the Canadians have gotten to Ed or he's way over his bandwidth limit. His site is down. Here is the article in question.
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Posted by: Suburbanguy at April 06, 2005 12:49 AM (kBfY4)
EU is exactly what Hitler dreamt of, a unified Europe with Germans pretty much running the show (well the French too... sort of), yes. But the conquest happened in peaceful ways and by frightening countries with the possibility of Soviet or US invasion, if they didn't group up against em. And now EU also has most money, oil, weapons of mass destruction and the largest, most efficient military force in the world, so I think it's time we determine how we'll share USA with Russia, once all Europe is unified (much like Germany was divided after the Ruskies took Hitlers body, stuffed it and put it on display in the Lenin Museum in St.Petersborough (Leningrad)).
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Captain Ed is up over 400,000 visitors a day, so his server is chugging a little. Apparently Hosting Matters did some tweaking, and it's back up and reasonably quick.
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Posted by: Mr. K at April 06, 2005 05:50 AM (IseOd)
Nice of you to join us.
John Aschroft was the strange Attorney General who was obsessed with dressing naked statues.
Are you advocating using military force against the United States?
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 06, 2005 06:06 AM (fufbw)
Collin: Well then Johnie-boy was a funny man, not a fascist =), perhaps a bit insane though, if he was dead-serious.
And using military force against United States is very much an option if your wars keep becoming more and more frequent as they have done during the Bush-periods.(not periods as in periods, even though blood has been spilt a lot during those times)
Posted by: A Finn at April 06, 2005 06:21 AM (cWMi4)
This would naturally lead into a "fuck this, if America doesn't exist, neither will the rest of the world"-effect, which is launching nukes from your large, empty areas somewhere in the middle. So military offence to actually destroy the country rather than to kill all its military personnel abroad, that actually causes a threat, seems unlikely until an effective anti-missile defence system is developed.
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Posted by: Collin Baber at April 06, 2005 07:03 AM (fufbw)
1. A source of harm or ruin
2. Retributive justice in its execution or outcome
3. An opponent that cannot be beaten or overcome.
4. One that inflicts retribution or vengeance.
5. Also the goddess of retributive justice or vengeance.
6. Perhaps what Russia is to USA
7. Also perhaps your term for me
Posted by: A Finn at April 06, 2005 08:08 AM (lGolT)
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Chris
Posted by: Chris at April 06, 2005 08:17 AM (bBPpv)
Google "Ernst Zundel". He made the "outrageous" claim that fewer than 6,000,000 Jews died in WWII. He has since been extradited to Germany where they also put people in prison for "thought crime".
If the "Juice" have their way it will soon be like that in the US too. While the truth needs no laws to support it, dogma requires laws to protect it from the light of day.
I suspect that only 5,999,999 Juice died in WWII. That should infuriate you Zionazis into a spiraling hysteria.
And don't give me that anti-semite shit. Freedom of thought and speech is more important than hurting the feelings of the Juice.
Posted by: greg at April 06, 2005 09:00 AM (/+dAV)
Zundel wasn't imprisoned by joooos. He was imprisoned by the Leftist Canadian government.
As you know, the jooos run America, but it's no crime here to deny the Holocaust.
Conclusion: Leftists, not jooos, are a threat to freedom.
Posted by: Carlos at April 06, 2005 09:12 AM (tFXpR)
Obviously it was the Jewish Lobby that pushed and had these laws passed. Don't think for a second that rightists won't succumb to the same pressure.
For your information, Zundel was living in Tennessee when America extradited him to Canada first.
Posted by: greg at April 06, 2005 09:23 AM (/+dAV)
Greg,
I guess that's what happens to jooos living in Leftist countries. They start acting like Leftists. Canadian Leftism brings out the totalitarian in all Canadians, not just the jooos. To the point where they ban Fox news and throw preachers in jail for citing Scripture. What a frightening society the Leftists are creating up there. Zundel is paying the price.
But in America, our jooos act like free men living in a free country. So you see, it's culture and tradition and ideology which determine how people will behave, not joooishness.
Posted by: Carlos at April 06, 2005 09:41 AM (tFXpR)
And Zundel does not merely claim less than 6 million jews were killed. He denies the Holocaust happenned. He's a nazi, and he makes no bones about it.
"I have interviewed Zundel more than once, and have even debated him. In one such encounter, he was forthright about who he was. "Are you a National Socialest?" I asked him. He replied that he was. "Nazi is the short form for National Socialest, Mr. Zundel. Is that what you are? A Nazi?" The answer: "Yes." He was not ashamed of it."
http://www.warrenkinsella.com/words_extremism_rz.htm
Posted by: Carlos at April 06, 2005 09:51 AM (tFXpR)
Zundel fought hard, flooding the courts with motions and appeals, but he saw the writing on the wall. In December 2000, the Supreme Court of Canada refused to hear any more of his increasingly-arcane legal arguments in the case. A few weeks later, Zundel fled to the United States - where, in a letter issued by one of his lawyers, he renounced his permanent residency status. There, he devoted himself to his Zundelsite, defying a Canadian Human Rights Tribunal order to remove hateful material.
http://www.warrenkinsella.com/words_extremism_rz.htm
U.S. INS agents arrested him at his home outside Knoxville, Tennessee after he had fled Canada Zundel had overstayed his visitor's visa, and the Americans - understandably - wanted him to leave.
So he was extradited because he violated his visa. Had he not done so, it's quite likely he'd still be here stirring up trouble like we allow our jihadists and Arab apologists on the Left to.
Posted by: Carlos at April 06, 2005 09:56 AM (tFXpR)
Posted by: A Finn at April 06, 2005 10:02 AM (lGolT)
I'm simply agreeing with Rusty.
You've have done your homework. What you say about his ciitizenship process is correct. He supposedlly missed an appointment which he denies.
First of all there is a Jewish Lobby in Germany. There is an International Jewiish Lobby whose jurisdiction would include Germany.
Secondly, so what if he's a Nazi. Should that be against the law if he's not being violent? Zundel is a painter of pictures. A peaceful man who loves Germany. No one has ever accused him of being violent. To the contrary his house was burned down to the ground in Canada. Good guess is that it was done by a Jew.
The notion of "thought crimes" iis undemocratic no matter how you slice it.
Posted by: greg at April 06, 2005 10:09 AM (/+dAV)
Posted by: A Finn at April 06, 2005 10:11 AM (lGolT)
Posted by: A Finn at April 06, 2005 10:14 AM (lGolT)
I agree with your basic premise that he's committed no crime, but what I'm saying is that this kind of repression comes naturally to socialest societies, not to conservative ones.
Re the "international joooish lobby," notice how even though they've supposedly taken this country to war against our own interests (say you folks), they have yet to create the climate of repression you claim they have in socialest countries. How is that possible? Not very likely. If jooos can take us to war, they can pass a few hate crime laws.
My conclusion: Leftism is the culprit re Zundel and Germany, not joooishism.
Posted by: Carlos at April 06, 2005 10:18 AM (tFXpR)
As you know we do have hate laws in America so it's a slippery slope. Blame the leftists including the Jewish left who were instrumental in having these laws passed. God help us if a machine is invented that reads minds. Anyone of us could be made into a "thought criminal".
The right is guilty too. There is a movement by the right to make "political paranoia" a bonafied pyschological disorder requiring commmitment to mental hospitals. That's what the Soviets did to their dissidents. If you think it's all about the left you're not being fair.
Posted by: greg at April 06, 2005 10:32 AM (/+dAV)
Posted by: greg at April 06, 2005 10:38 AM (/+dAV)
I can only worry about what I actually see happenning, and I only talk to you about what I actually see happenning, i.e., Canada. But you want to create hysteria about what MIGHT happen in the future, which usually never ever comes to pass anyway.
Re laws against "political paranoia", that must be a colorful way of putting it because I have no idea what you're talking about.
Posted by: Carlos at April 06, 2005 10:40 AM (tFXpR)
“If you’re still convinced that President Bush won the election because Republicans figured out a way to hack into electronic voting machines, you’ve obviously got a problem,†says Smith. “If we can figure out a way to ease your suffering by getting you into therapy and onto medication, that’s something that we hope the entire 109th Congress will support.â€
Characterizing political dissent as a form of mental illness is the hallmark of authoritarian government. In China, for instance, forensic psychiatrists label dissent “political lunacy†(see Jacob Sullum, Head Games: What are the rules for defining mental illness?) and in Soviet Russia political dissenters were routinely cosigned to mental hospitals. Nowadays, with modern pharmacology, mental hospitals are no longer requiredthe mental hospital is internalized through chemical intervention.
No need for FEMA camps or “preventive detention†when we have a “medical armamentarium†of serotonin uptake inhibitors. All that is needed now is for Frist and the Republicans to devise a law defining “political paranoia†and determining that “political paranoiacs†are a threat to society.
Posted by: greg at April 06, 2005 10:51 AM (/+dAV)
are you citing the Onion? Sure sounds that way.
Here's what I think. If true, then this is a prank by Frist. If we can get Libs suffering from post-election stress trauma (PEST) to take their meds and get reimbursed for it, then the jokes on them. That's all this is-- a big joke on the loons. Even if the so-called legislation fails to pass, the point has been made and the joke's on them. It's a prank.
Posted by: Carlos at April 06, 2005 10:58 AM (tFXpR)
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Posted by: greg at April 06, 2005 11:15 AM (/+dAV)
www.refuseandresist.org/police_state/art.php?aid=1495
just google "bush t-shirt arrest"
Thank God it's a "free country" huh?
Posted by: greg at April 06, 2005 11:16 AM (/+dAV)
Posted by: greg at April 06, 2005 11:17 AM (/+dAV)
www.buzzflash.com/alerts/04/10/ale04068.html
The MSM has been silent/complicit on this.
Posted by: greg at April 06, 2005 11:41 AM (/+dAV)
USA's system is more like an oligarky, a system where the richest control and select the people in charge, and therefore hold the ultimate power in the nation.
Posted by: A Finn at April 06, 2005 12:01 PM (lGolT)
Most of the large scale anti-Bush gatherings must've been organized by the democrats or a large operation determined to disrupt order, therefore it is necessary for your government to take offensive measures and perhaps violate the principles of freedom of speech. When such movements are allowed to grow in a country pretty much crawling with newspeople, it would get publicity and keep growing. It has been seen what that leads into:
During the Cold War people went red all over, and when it got too big, you started attacking countries turning red and threw all reds in your country to jail. This kind of politics is exactly why people around the world started hating your country, and that is why all such large, contraversial operations are held in secret or suppressed with imprisonments. (Also, if enough people go anti-Bush, they go pro-democrat/liberal/greenparty, and then there won't be another republican president for 30 years, so---wouldn't really bother me--- the country would be heavily divided in half)
And you have pretty much no gun restrictions, so who knows what kind of army might pop up in the event of disorderly conduct spreading through the nation.
Posted by: A Finn at April 06, 2005 12:17 PM (lGolT)
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Posted by: greyrooster at April 06, 2005 05:33 PM (CBNGy)
Posted by: greyrooster at April 06, 2005 05:37 PM (CBNGy)
Posted by: greyrooster at April 06, 2005 05:42 PM (CBNGy)
Now send me those drugs or feel the wrath of THOR. A Norweigan/Swede. The ultimate human.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 06, 2005 05:48 PM (CBNGy)
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 06, 2005 06:21 PM (FV4oJ)
Posted by: greyrooster at April 06, 2005 07:03 PM (CBNGy)
No football, no basketball, no baseball. Just reindeer milking contests. I can see how you can get bored. I hear there's a big snow shoveling contest in Helsinki this weekend. Go for it.
Now will you share?
Posted by: greyrooster at April 06, 2005 07:10 PM (CBNGy)
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Posted by: greyrooster at April 07, 2005 12:21 AM (CBNGy)
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 07, 2005 12:35 AM (FV4oJ)
Besides, we had baseball before you did, it was called kössipallo, and it wasn't running around in a diamond shape thingie, it was in a zigzag-and-back-pattern. The national sport now is a variation of kössipallo, pesäpallo, same zigzag, but the passes go directly upward and there are lines within which the ball must touch if the strike isn't foul.
AND, bwahahaaa, the first time we entered the American Football World Championships, we WON the whole tournament and became the world champions with less than a years game experience. (Guess we're naturally brawlers or have a strong killer instinct)
Basketball is fun, sort of, but not very popular around here. Last, no I won't get you drugs, since I would have to go 100miles east to Russia to get cheap ones without being in some diagnosed state of insanity (once more: department of health in Oulu can be notified, if you consider me insane. They'll arrange a psychologist session, and you have to pay for it, if I don't turn out to be insane. If, however, my mental state is questionable, I will most likely recieve medication treatment, and you will be notified of it).
Posted by: A Finn at April 07, 2005 02:36 AM (cWMi4)
Posted by: Mr. K at April 07, 2005 06:47 AM (QYx/q)
Bet he knows exactly where it is. Experience? Advanced social services. I guess they are needed in a country with a mediocre standand of living. No immigration problems. No minority problems. Doesn't do shit for the rest of the world and the best Finland can come up with is mediocrity. Little dogs should wag their tails, not yap at the big dog doing something other than yapping.
Yap, Lap. Rhymes.
Remember the big dog rules.
(1) Ignore them.
(2) Piss on them
(3) Turn and beat the shit out of them.
You get a (1).
For now.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 07, 2005 08:18 AM (CBNGy)
...didn't know Rapalas were known in US. And also, we sold the main vodka distributers and producers to Sweden, since people seem to prefer what they make themself.
No, I have never seen a psychologist, it's just useless bullshit, and mediocre is hell of a lot better than having 5% rich people and 95% working as their slaves and living in shitty appartments using all their money to pay for credit card bills.
Posted by: A Finn at April 07, 2005 09:37 AM (lGolT)
95% of the people in this country are "poor"? Compared to what? I daresay that the 95% "poor" people in the U.S. still manage to eat pretty well, have at LEAST one car, decent clothes, and have a 250-channel satellite dish (misspent money on the last one, in my opinion). Much of the world wishes it were this "poor."
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 07, 2005 09:50 AM (x+5JB)
Posted by: Mr. K at April 07, 2005 10:00 AM (ZCYWE)
"Ni puhu suome" is actually : Yeah, speak Finnish! in a Turku-slang kind of way. Bet you heard that in Runescape... I understand the language is hard, even Russians, who have been living right (or left perhaps...) next door still can't understand Finnish well enough to translate whatever comes out of Finnish TV-system to their side of the border and complain how this and that insults their country and then get annoyed when it was actually something completely different.
Posted by: A Finn at April 07, 2005 10:36 AM (lGolT)
Posted by: Mr. K at April 07, 2005 11:14 AM (bGceG)
Posted by: A Finn at April 07, 2005 01:21 PM (lGolT)
You have television in Finland? I quess that's another of your inventions. You know TV, Telephone, computer.
By the way. Has Finland ever given anything to the rest of the world by way of invention? Or do you merely claim to be well educated but never had a first idea in your countries history? News for you chump. Supposed to be well educated claim doesn't hold water. What world renowned university is in Finland? Do foreign students beg, borrow and steal to get into your universities as they do in America.
Talk about dogs. Take a look at your president.
Talk about the big dog?
That deserves a (2).
Posted by: greyrooster at April 07, 2005 01:22 PM (CBNGy)
Posted by: greg at April 07, 2005 01:39 PM (/+dAV)
Please remember you came onto this American owned and operated Blog and immediately downgraded peoples religious preferences. Then you started in on America's policies. Next was our elected leaders. Discussiion is one thing. Degrating ones country is another. There is much wrong in America. Most of us will agree. Much of what our president is doing is suspect, excluding the war where I feel he is right on. Feel free to suggest, but keep your criticism until you can understand the complexity of America.
Easy to throw stones when you sit by the wayside. Do nothing, you may no mistakes but get nowhere. Our young people are sacrificing themselves for what is right. Some are getting a feel ride in this war against Islamofacism. Not a proud thing.
You have had much to say that I agree with. But your method sucks.
Also you refuse to share.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 07, 2005 01:42 PM (CBNGy)
Anyway, "the Senate and the people of Rome"... perhaps you mean that Rome collapsed because it had become a wellfair state, that didn't pay attention to military threats? (No, I won't eat shit, thats just sick (or beyond kinky if you feel that stuff might actually be something sexual))
Actually, Europeans (not saying that I am not one) have started trying to get into Finland to study after we got first place in all things PISA examined and became some sort of a role model for their countries' education system development. And Esko Aho, a former Finnish prime minister, is actually a professor in either Yale or Harvard, teaching economics, so that makes me seriously concerned about the quality of your renowned university, even if that guy is an extremely skilled businessfellow, who managed to make the country profit from the eighties when all other countries were suffering of depression. And our current president IS most likely a mix of dog and bald rat, now we never have to have any women in charge. (When did I say Finns invented TV, computers and telephones (this one was Alexander Bell, I believe...)? Just said Nokia makes computers, and I got one instead of a Jap-comp or something made in India, that you call American computers)
And greyrooster: Ok, I'll try finding some drugs for you if I happen to take a cruise ship to Estonia this summer. The war in Iraq could've been avoided by assassinating Saddam and having the UN send peacecorps (that would've been you and Finns, as we are usually more than happy to go on military missions approved by the UN, good practice, and since have no real enemies, casualties are low) to control the masses now lacking a leader.
I don't like Bush, I think he only got elected since his daddy was a president before him, and now he is trying make himself a better man than his father was in handling the Middle East crisises, so he is doing what is right the wrong way (I think this guy was the only elected leader of yours I've mentioned). The attack on religion was later explained in the Pope is dead/dying thingie as an attempt to find out what God really was to the actual people living in a country, were religion effects everything. American policies are pretty much the same as which ones are running the show for the... 6, 5, 10, 12 years?, so basically that would be anti-Bush... or something like that.
Nice going with making Arnold Schwartzenegger, made me want to go to California to check out the Terminator preaching about the importance of protecting the environment. Seriously, excellent. Shows that anyone famous enough can get immense power over a state, even if not born in US or Canada. Maybe I'll try to become the senator of Delaware once I... create a action-movie career or win American Idol on the year I'm running for senator.
Posted by: A Finn at April 07, 2005 02:45 PM (lGolT)
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 07, 2005 03:03 PM (x+5JB)
Posted by: Brad at April 07, 2005 03:04 PM (NzgK/)
It was 100 Finnmarks for the fine, that was in '93.
Posted by: Mr. K at April 07, 2005 03:24 PM (niPww)
As they started loading the plane for the return trip,the pilot said the plane could only take 4 reindeer.
The two Finns objected strongly. "Last year we shot 6,and the pilot let us put them all on board; he had the same plane as yours."
Reluctantly, the pilot gave in and all 6 were loaded. However, even on full power, the little plane couldn't handle the load and went down a few moments after take-off.
Climbing out of the wreck one Finn asked the other,"Any idea where we are?"
"Yaaaah I think were pretty close to where we crashed last year.."
Posted by: Brad at April 07, 2005 03:26 PM (NzgK/)
A couple of Finns are out in the woods hunting when one of them
suddenly grabs his chest and falls to the ground. He doesn't seem to be breathing. His eyes are rolled back in his head.
The other Finn whips out his cell phone and calls 911.
He gasps to the operator, "I think Sven is dead! What should I do?"
The operator, in a calm soothing voice says, "Just take it easy and
follow my instructions. First, let's make sure he's dead."
There is a silence...... and then a shot is heard.
The second Finn's voice comes back on the line, "Okay, now what?"
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 07, 2005 04:02 PM (x+5JB)
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 07, 2005 04:02 PM (x+5JB)
He does seem pretty worldly though. I posted something above on the stripper
band and he seemed to know quite a bit about it.(this was before I realized he was a kid).
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Posted by: greyrooster at April 07, 2005 10:30 PM (CBNGy)
I will be back in a few days. Hope to chat more with you then.
I have a long drive to Venice, La. Gone fishing. We try to leave the dock at 4:00 AM. Tuna will be on the menu. Will be back when the fish quits biting or my back gives out.
By the way. How do you get a one armed Finlander out of a tree?
Wave to him.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 07, 2005 10:55 PM (CBNGy)
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Posted by: A Finn at April 08, 2005 04:02 AM (cWMi4)
Posted by: A Finn at April 08, 2005 04:05 AM (cWMi4)
Take care!
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Hinzman's wife and son were also denied asylum by the board. It's interesting that they even applied since there's no apparent basis. If convicted of desertion in a court martial, Hinzman may be sentenced to five years in federal prison. Frankly, that seems like a light sentence for someone who deserts in a time of war.
Hinzman and his supporters argue that he is not a deserter, rather a war resister who traveled to Canada because the Iraq war was immoral and violated human rights. He deserted in January 2004, just before his unit, the 82nd Airborne Division, deployed to Iraq.
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Welcome home. We've made accomadations for you at the lovely hotel Leavenworth. Hope you enjoy your stay.
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Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at March 25, 2005 08:03 AM (JQjhA)
No...wait... He will only get jail time. We only starve invalids to death in this country. Next, if we are lucky, the state will order retards and others who cannot feed themselves to starve.
Posted by: OBSNOOKS at March 25, 2005 08:06 AM (yBHNA)
Posted by: Collin Baber at March 25, 2005 07:18 PM (fufbw)
Cindy
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Posted by: Carlos at March 27, 2005 10:34 AM (8e/V4)
This is guts:
What Happens when 9 American MP's and a medic leap into the fray against 50 heavily-armed Iraqi insurgents ambushing a supply convoy? They win.
http://www.blackfive.net/main/2005/03/after_action_re.html#more
Posted by: Carlos at March 27, 2005 10:37 AM (8e/V4)
Did he think the free education meant he just had to wear the uniform? The military expects you to do the heavy lifting, too.
He should have read the contract.
Posted by: Pat at March 27, 2005 06:36 PM (J6TkX)
Posted by: Collin Baber at March 27, 2005 07:20 PM (FV4oJ)
Anybody who signs up, takes military pay, training, and whatever perks that come with it, education, etc. had best be ready to pack their shit and git when the balloon goes up . . why else did they pay you for all that sitting around and playing those macho games? . . . dickweed!
And that goes for the Nookie Gobblers too, piss and moan because you got called up, what the Hell did you think you joined, the Boy Scouts?
Posted by: large at March 27, 2005 07:21 PM (VRK2g)
Your knowledge of law, like your common sense, leaves much to be desired.
A contract is void only if BOTH parties misunderstood it, NOT one party.
Posted by: Carlos at March 27, 2005 07:44 PM (8e/V4)
Posted by: Collin Baber at March 27, 2005 10:19 PM (FV4oJ)
In addition, I didn't get mine from having a desk job during peacetime. Nor will my son.
Now, what the hell do you know about serving your country?
You sure as hell aren't serving it now. You and the traitor Collin Babler should get along great.
Posted by: greyrooster at March 28, 2005 07:25 AM (CBNGy)
you're obviously not a lawyer. I just took the bar, and can assure you that UCC contracts law only applies to the sale of goods. Here we have a performance of services. Nice try though.
Posted by: Carlos at March 28, 2005 11:40 AM (Pqt3/)
You are right about the UCC - and I thank you. We should all know more about contracts.
Which law allows a contract to remain valid if one party does not understand the terms of it and contests it?
Posted by: Collin Baber at March 28, 2005 06:05 PM (Hkppj)
Collin,
the terms of a K are presumed understood, unless of course he can make a showing of A) fraud, or B) that a reasonable person in his position would not have understood. He must meet either element. Notice however, he cannot merely show that HE didn't understand, as that would not meet the standard of "reasonable person." He has to show that a REASONABLE person in his position would not have understood. It is an objective standard, rather than a subjective one.
Fraud will not be presumed simply because he didn't understand, and most reasonable people know what they're signing up for. He'll fail both tests.
But wait, he still may have an out. If memory serves me, the "small print" in a K can sometimes be shown to be unconscionable. But that's only in cases where A) the terms are opporessive, and B) the plaintiff had no choice but to sign. He must meet BOTH elements. Sure, in this case he can argue that the terms in the small print are oppressive, but he did have a choice. He didn't have to join. So he fails to meet the required elements.
Face it, he gambled and he lost. Why can't he be a man about it? It's not "guts" to walk away from your commitments. That's the difference between a man and a boy. Some would argue that's the difference between Liberals and conservatives. We play by the rules, and we suck it up. That boy needs to suck it up too, and you Libs need to stop enabling that type of anti-social behaviour.
Posted by: Carlos at March 28, 2005 07:29 PM (8e/V4)
Posted by: Robin Roberts at March 29, 2005 01:51 PM (xauGB)
Jeremy Hinzman went to Afghanistan and served there. He felt, as do I, that we were justified in our efforts in Afghanistan to try to find bin Laden. However, when he returned home he found that he would be sent to Iraq, a country that did not have anything to do with 9-11, and a country we invaded without letting the United Nations do its job. If every enlisted person had fled to Canada instead of going to Iraq, we would not have over 1400 families in mourning in the U.S. and thousands and thousands in Iraq.
Also, just today there was a report that before we invaded, 4% of the children in Iraq were malnourished. Now over 7.5% are malnourished and starving due to destruction of water supplies and food supplies.
It is interesting that many of the letters above have spelling errors such as death "penity"...too bad some of the writers posting to this site did not enlist and receive an education. Obviously, they have less than or equal to a high school education which is not good enough in this country to hold a decent job.
My father was in World War I, my uncles in World War II (one of whom was killed) and my brother and cousins in Viet Nam. I know the two world wars were justified; however, I certainly wish my brother would have deserted to Canada rather than serve his time in Viet Nam, a disaster of our making.
I'm sorry, Jeremy, but I certainly wish you the best.
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"Remember when we told you to keep your damn hands off the Canadian Arctic North these last 60 years?
Well Vlady..We just don't care anymore, so you take as much of that sheet of ice as you want." "The Cheese heads don't have but a couple of dog sleds and a 30 year old snowmobile to stop ya." "Y'all won't see anyone until you reach Manatoba."
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Posted by: sandpiper at March 01, 2005 02:56 PM (AOQk0)
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In a letter today to Prime Minister Paul Martin, the Canadian Islamic Congress said it endorses yesterday Martin's characterization that Syrian troops are in Lebanon as peacekeepers, not invaders. "The withdrawal of Syrian troops from Lebanon should be left up to those two countries to negotiate," said the CIC....(ht: James Joyner and Via Kate at Small Dead Animals)To date, the American-led invasion of Iraq has resulted in the deaths of more than 100,000 Iraqis and thousands of Americans. Iraq has been transformed from country with 100% employment and a stable public service infrastructure, into an impoverished nation in disarray, with more than half of its adult workforce jobless. From being one of the leading Middle East states in administration, education and health care, Iraq has fallen to one of the world's most disadvantaged societies.
The CIC is charging that America's aggressive Middle East policies are designed primarily to shore up Israel's military power and economic advantages in the region, while attempting to divert world attention from Israel's territorial expansion into the West Bank through illegal Jews-only settlements.
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Posted by: Wine-aholic at February 24, 2005 12:18 PM (Wsn+K)
So yeah, the CIC forgot that under Hussein, there was 100% turnout for their 'elections,' whereas the imperialist invaders could only mangage 60% or so.
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Posted by: greyrooster at February 24, 2005 01:53 PM (CBNGy)
Anyways, until there is a majority government in place in Canada, you'll see more waffling on issues.
Posted by: Venom at February 24, 2005 02:08 PM (dbxVM)
I don't think their military could fight their way out of a wet paper bag...
Posted by: thespirit at February 25, 2005 11:30 AM (CYPld)
What a shitty country.
Posted by: Venom at February 25, 2005 12:15 PM (dbxVM)
Posted by: Mike B. at February 25, 2005 05:49 PM (r08dQ)
Canada is like my family. Free health care, free education, free transportation and a little surplus. What happens when daddy's well runs dry? It's easy when there's only 6 of us and the money comes from the USA. Same as in Canada.
One difference. My kids aren't afraid to fight.
Close the border. We need them not. To long we have carried them.
Posted by: greyrooster at February 26, 2005 12:03 AM (CBNGy)
Free of terrorists? Are you nuts? The entire Saddam regime was the world's biggest terrorist.
No threat to the United States? How would you know? Were you privy to Saddams future plans? He was a threat to his own people. A proven threat to neighboring Arab states. Was he content after having his ass kicked out of Kuwait?
Your irrefutable claim in more than refutable.
Posted by: greyrooster at February 26, 2005 09:33 PM (CBNGy)
Canada looks after its own, first. The same as any country ought to. Would you put the citizens of Canada ahead of the citizens of the U.S? Of course not. Canada isn't going to let its citizens suffer if it can avoid it. As such, Canada contributes what it can in terms of, say, troops after taking care of its citizens. I mean, Canada's army is so small to begin with, how many troops would you think they would be able to offer up anyways?
It's not a question of "being afraid to fight." It's a question of being *able* to contribute meangingfully. Canada has troops on the ground in Afghanistan. I don't see how that makes them afraid.
I'm not saying America should adopt Canada's way of governing. I'm just implying that I don't see the point of criticizing a country that's actually dont pretty well for themselves.
Besides, if you close the border with Canada, where will the U.S. get its oil (it imports more oil from Canada than from Saudi Arabia), its clean water, its lumber, and other valuable resources.
Sounds like both countries help each other out.
Posted by: Venom at February 28, 2005 01:21 PM (dbxVM)
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Posted by: kevin C at March 01, 2005 08:48 AM (EUHio)
Hey Greygoose, How stupid can you get?!? I'll admit that Saddam Hussien was not the greatest leader in history, but he was an Iraqi leader! The citizens of Iraq are not going to follow a war-monger like Bush or some stooge washington steam-rolled into office as leader of their newest colony. Saddam did attack kuwait and Iran... but the U.S. has not once gone 1 year without being at war or working in the shadows behind some war since entering WW2 back in the 40's! They dont neccisarrily expand their borders (atleast no american would say they were) but they force each of their new colonys to buy their weapons.... tell them what they can and cannot do.... and force them to buy American products to inflate the U.S. economy. It's called Imperialization.... and the U.S. were the ones who pushed to make it illegal after it led to the world wars.
You think Saddam treated his citizens as badly as the States are treating them? Hell no! I never heard of him killing innocent women and children and he definitly never tortured them and went against the Geneva accord as the U.S. are doing. Right now the man is being held unjustly, and if he is ever tried for something like war-crimes, his best defence would be, "look at what I've done.... I'll admit to it. Now look at what President Bush has done." If their going to lock him up them should do at least the same if not worse to bush.
O.K.- Ive ranted, gotta go now but before I make my final point, and before you read any further, I want to ask everyone a question. If your agreeing with me so-far, forget about that. If you hate what I've written (im sure theres alot of you), clear that from your mind. Read the question, take a minute, and make a clear answer, not from what other people have written or told you, whether its your president, parent, or whoever, but your own conscious thought. since this is a war for freedom and liberty and justice and all that, I just have to ask......
What is Freedom to you?
And try to think politically.... not freedom is running through the park with my dog.
you got it.... good for you.... You wanna know what freedom is to me? probably not but I'll tell you anyways. Freedom to me is the right of every state to choose it's economic and social system in accord with the will of it's people, without outside interference in whatever form it takes. so who agrees? I bet even alot of George Dubya supporters will agree to most of that, up until the outside interference part. And if you agree, know that your not alone... because I got that statement right out of a united nations resolution... a resolution voted on more than once... brought up over and over again because most people see it as the very basis of freedom in our global society.... and each time it has been voted every single member of the united nations against just one opposing it...... The United States of America. Even back when they were communist U.S.S.R., the Russians agreed to it. So it just makes me wanna ask.... What have americans got against freedom?
Posted by: Canadian Jihad at March 01, 2005 04:53 PM (bxOjK)
Oh yeah... and our military couldnt fight it's way out of a paper bag? I think is how you put it. Really, you can tell me, how far did you get in school, grade 6?.... 7? Well it's true we havent tried to build our military up ready for world domination like our favorite (and only) neighbors, we do go on many peace keeping missions for the U.N. You remember the U.N. dont you there pee-brain? And you know what, since the U.N. opposed the wars in Afganistan and Iraq, they were kind-of illegal, and the U.N. should have sent a force in to stop the American Imperialists. Unfortunatly, the U.N. are pussies who are to afraid of starting WW3 to stand up for what is truly just and right. Too bad.... I would have volunteered to kill some yanks.
Oh and if you think our military is so pitiful, well the score is Canada 1 - U.S. 0. War of 1812 bitch, if you've ever opened a history book (or any book for that matter) you might have known that. We were outnumbered and outgunned then, and we burnt your fucking White House to the ground. You wanna go for round two, I'd love to see that mother burning again.
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LenD Great White North
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Posted by: David at February 12, 2005 11:49 PM (aOdhJ)
But of coruse not, Bush wants everything in the work to be free like his asshairs whenever he thinks up a plan (or something stupider).
Lets face it, your fuckheaded president is a moron. Here in canada, we are peavemakers, not shit disturbers.
Posted by: Zarcom at February 14, 2005 12:11 AM (ZKCOc)
Your vast country is populated by only 32 million people.
In 10 years, Ontario will be populated by a majority of muslems.
I hope we turn your shitbird ass back to Canada when you try to come over for asylum.
Oh, and you welfare state fucks can all forget about free heroin and that gay marrage shit when ole allah takes over.
fuck you
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December 23, 2004
The Canadian authorities are currently in the process of reviewing the applications for refugee status of a few deserters with a determination expected in the next few months. Those requesting to be classified as something other than criminals and cowards include Brandon Hughey, David Sanders, and Jeremy Hinzman. Deserter Daniel Felushko has dual U.S.-Canadian citizenship so he gets a pass.
Although there's no mass exodus of deserters, the exact number is unknown. According to a spokesman for the Immigration and Refugee Board, Serge Arsenault, privacy laws prevent release of that type of information. This seems odd. Whose privacy is being protected? The Canadian government?
All in all, the handfuls of deserters going to Canada seeking refugee status will have to prove that they have "a well-founded fear of persecution based on their race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group or political opinion." It's sure that they have fears, but not of persecution. It's fear of incarceration for violating the contractual obligations they have with the United States of America. Interestingly, based on a recent report, the deserters may have been able to avoid the entire bureaucratic process by greasing a few palms. Apparently, permanent residency status has been marketed for a mere $4,000.
In closing, it's probably prudent for people to remember the names of the deserters so that, if they apply for employment, they are not hired into positions requiring trustworthiness and strength of character.
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Posted by: greyrooster at December 23, 2004 10:50 AM (visY3)
By the way greyrooster, you do realize that Canada has troops fighting in Afghanistan, don't you?
Posted by: Venom at December 23, 2004 10:57 AM (dbxVM)
Posted by: greyrooster at December 23, 2004 02:10 PM (visY3)
It's pretty well-known that Canada has a very small military. Sending a couple of thousand troops to Afghanistan (I think that's what it was at its peak) actually stretches Canada's military pretty tight. And those soldiers did very, VERY well while they were there. So well, in fact, that the US military tried to award some of those soldiers medals.
Posted by: Venom at December 23, 2004 03:31 PM (dbxVM)
Once again, if you don't experience it you know nothing about it. Some things are not said in the papers or on the internet. The most important things. What the ordinary people believe.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 23, 2004 09:37 PM (visY3)
Posted by: Craig at December 23, 2004 09:40 PM (b12Jq)
Venom: could you not post after every single post someone makes? It sure would be appreciated - I think once is enough.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at December 24, 2004 01:18 AM (D39Vm)
First, it was the US military that wanted to award the medals, not some "liberal" politician. Medals to snipers, one of whom still has the longest recorded kill. Don't believe me? Why don't you read this article from Soldier of Fortune?
http://www.stormpages.com/swellal/sof.html
Or how about this one detailing the record kill:
http://www.riflebarrels.com/articles/50calibre/50sniping.htm
"Earning has nothing to do with it." Fuck, you're dense. And incredibly disrespectful. Those soldiers deserved those medals, unless you think saving American lives isn't deserving. Of course, you won't check out either link because that would be admitting you're wrong. Canadian soldiers performed quite admirably. And they're still there. And if you actually KNEW something about the GWOT instead of shit you make up, you'd realize that this contribution by Canada is pretty significant, given the size of the Canadian military.
Is the Canadian government more liberal than the US government? Of course. But that doesn't reflect on the work Canadian troops put in.
Posted by: Venom at December 24, 2004 10:12 AM (dbxVM)
If you don't think the military is political you are the dense dumb shit. If fact, you probably never served.
I don't read soldier of fortune magazine. Most normal people don't. Of course, you've already shown yourself to be not normal.
The military gave medals to Kerry too. Of course, they later rescended them due to his traitorist mouth. The liberal, peanut farmer Carter allowed him to get them back.
I hold that no one is more deserving than American soldiers.
Your excuses for Canada or (any place other than America) doesn't hold water. Were they half assed in their support in WW2 and Vietnam?
They are ruining their country by allowing unchecked immigration to their country. Then allowing the immigrants to go on the dole and cry about their situation.
The worst part is many of these immigrants end up here.
Canada is becomming nothing but a stepping stone to American. Half the Canadian raghead immigrants end up in Detroit, again on the dole.
Who quit in the middle of the struggle? Canada did. Who deserves the accolades and Medals? Those holding the course. Those that don't waver.Those that don't quit in the middle.
Maybe they should make french their national language. They are on the road to being more french and English.
Canada allowed cowards to hide in their country during the Viet Nam war.
Canada needs to understand that this is not the sixties. America has been attacked at home. Canada harboring deserters should result in action. I say close the border until the deserters are returned in handcuffs.
Have you ever left your apartment?
Does your mommy ever let you out to see the real world?
Posted by: greyrooster at December 24, 2004 11:05 AM (4Pc3X)
Excuse me, and so the fuck what if I see the positives in other countries, as well as America? Canada has its problems and it has its positives. You, on the other hand, find only fault in other countries and no fault in the US. You believe it's unpatriotic to find fault with the US, let alone state it publicly (or, at least, that's the message you're sending in your posts). And, please, enough with the "experience" bullshit, too. Your experience has hardly enlightened you to anything, not based on what you type here. By your rationale, I could stand in the Sistine Chapel, and because I've "experienced" it, I should be an expert on 16th century art.
You don't read soldier of fortune? Well, good for you. Way to back out of a debate. Unfortunately for you, the Soldier of Fortune article has been cited in a number of conservative blogs about the great work the Canadian military (and, specifically, those snipers) has done. I guess you read the other article, huh? Oh, wait, don't answer. I already know you'd much rather hide than read. And we're not talking about who's "more deserving" than others. We're talking about whether the medals are earned. And those Canuck soldiers earned them. You keep thinking I'm trying to tear down America. Please show me in this thread here where I once criticized America. The crux of my argument was to show the good work the Canadian military was doing. You see it (for whatever insane reason) as some kind of attack on America. How do you draw up these conclusions????
"They are ruining their country by allowing unchecked immigration to their country."
More bullshit from you with nothing to back it up. In fact, the procedures to get into Canada are much more stringent since 9/11 (which, incidentally, was perpetrated by people coming through the US immigration system). Unchecked immigration...to you, I'd bet ANY kind of immigration is unchecked.
"Who quit in the middle of the struggle? Canada did."
Nope. How is this possible with troops still stationed in Afghanistan? Doesn't sound like quitting to me. Frankly, Canada couldn't afford to send troops to Iraq, even if it wanted to. And, since you made that comment about only contributing pennies, you wouldn't have been satisfied no matter what Canada contributed, no matter how token it would have been.
"Canada allowed cowards to hide in their country during the Viet Nam war.
Canada needs to understand that this is not the sixties. America has been attacked at home."
That's true, Canada did. So, if this isn't the sixties, why are you trying to relate it to now? Policies of 40 years aren't exactly the same ones being used now. I haven't heard of one American who's been granted asylum in Canada based on the Iraq war. And, in the off chance that it's actually happened, it's not occurred to anywhere near the extent it did 40 years ago. Assuming it's even happened at all.
"Canada harboring deserters should result in action."
I said this from the beginning.
Posted by: Venom at December 24, 2004 11:57 AM (dbxVM)
Posted by: sandpiper at December 24, 2004 03:06 PM (fvObb)
When you read a post - one comment along is enough and I mean ENOUGH ALREADY! YOU TWO WANT TO DUKE IT OUT, DO IT ON YOUR OWN TIME AND THROUGH EMAIL IF NECESSARY, NOT HERE. AND THERE IS NO NEED OF SWEARING EITHER. So guys, growup.
This posts talks about deserters going to Canada. I didn't know of anyone deserting and going to Canada so it's news to me. New news. I don't think it's right - especially if you are already in the military; the article doesn't say, so I'm just assuming it's military personnel. And for them to leave their units and go to Canada is wrong and now that they've done it, they should stay there because if they can't stand up for their own country, then they have no right to live in it. It's that simple.
I'm glad you listed the names; that was a good idea. Hopefully if they ever try to return and get a job, someone will recognize their names and fire them immediately. If these names are military men, I hope they get court-martialed when and if they come back to the US. WE do not need people that unreliable in our country or our workforce; they have no right to it by leaving it when they were needed most. Canada can either said them back and be jailed or they can keep them with the word these men will never return to the United States. It's not our loss; it's theirs.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at December 26, 2004 07:53 PM (D39Vm)
Posted by: skh at December 26, 2004 09:22 PM (0xwoN)
you haven't had to put up with them on all the subjects, most in archives now where there are like 86 reponses back and forth. It is not dialogue - it's arguments back and forth. So yes, they should indeed take it outside. People are getting tired of it and at least, I'm opening my mouth and have the courage to say so. You haven't been here, so you have no idea. One comment per post is enough - these guys never end, so let them do it by email to each other and not here. If you've been a reader here from the very beginning, you'd know exactly why I said what I said. I've been part of this site for almost a year now, so unless you want that particular post to have them go back and forth 100 times, you'd say what I did say. One comment is enough; these guys go over the line.
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at December 26, 2004 09:33 PM (D39Vm)
Posted by: skh at December 27, 2004 07:30 AM (0xwoN)
Foreverfree Proud Canadian.
Posted by: I am Canadian at January 01, 2005 05:47 AM (agqCk)
Foreverfree Proud Canadian.
Posted by: I am Canadian at January 01, 2005 05:48 AM (agqCk)
There is a young greyrooster. He is in Iraq fighting with the men not hugging the cowardly French.
Posted by: greyrooster at January 01, 2005 01:28 PM (VsBCt)
Tell everyone to be nice. No cussing. Lots of hugging. See how many comments are made.
Posted by: greyrooster at January 01, 2005 01:32 PM (VsBCt)
Posted by: pooty tang at April 19, 2005 09:27 PM (25oj1)
A world-record killing shot by a Canadian sniper detachment in Afghanistan could never have been made with the ammunition they were issued when they left Edmonton last winter, the triggerman said in a recent interview. The Canadian .50-calibre rounds have a maximum range of between 2,200 and 2,300 metres.
But the U.S. rounds, they discovered, "fly farther, faster," said Cpl. "Bill", a 26-year-old native of Fogo Island, Nfld.
The two-man Canadian team, coupled with American Sgt. Zevon Durham of Greenville, S.C., made the kill from 2,430 metres, or nearly 2 1/2 kilometres, on the second shot.
This feat is the equivalent of standing at the foot of Yonge St. and hitting a target in the intersection of Yonge and Wellesley Sts., just north of College St.
The first shot blew a bag from the hand of their target, an Al Qaeda fighter walking on a road.
"He didn't even flinch," said Bill, who spoke on condition that his real name not be used.
"We made a correction and the next round hit exactly where we wanted it to. Well, a bit to the right."
The kill, one of more than 20 unofficially accredited to Canadian snipers during Operation Anaconda in Afghanistan's Shah-i-Kot Valley, beat the 35-year-old record of 2,500 yards, or 2,250 metres, set by U.S. Marine Gunnery Sgt. Carlos Hathcock in Duc Pho, South Vietnam.
Soldier of Fortune magazine estimated the number of kills made by the Canadians after talking to several U.S. soldiers in Kandahar for a cover story in its August edition.
The snipers themselves will not confirm the figure.
But judging from accounts given by Canadians involved in the first major coalition offensive of the Afghan war, the figure of at least 20 sounds conservative.
The 800-strong 3rd battalion of the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry is pulling out this month.
They'll first go through a reintegration process on the Pacific island of Guam before heading home to Edmonton.
About 100 British Royal Marines, too, wrapped up their last combat mission in Afghanistan yesterday after four months in Afghanistan.
The five Canadian snipers, outfitted with British desert fatigues and an array of equipment from all over the world, were divided into two detachments that earned the respect of their American brothers-in-arms after helping rescue dozens of paratroopers pinned down by enemy fire.
The five have been nominated for one of the highest awards given by the United States military - the Bronze Star, two of them with Vs for Valour, marking exceptional bravery.
Awarding of the American medal, which was to have been done at a ceremony along with other Anaconda veterans in Kandahar in April, has been delayed by Canadian protocol officials.
But more important to the Canadians are the gestures from their American brethren who - while nearly killing them several times over with "friendly fire" - owe many lives to their shooting skills.
"They trusted us to do our job, without question," said Master Cpl. "James," a 31-year-old native of Kingsville, Ont., who like Cpl. Bill asked that his identity not be revealed.
At one point during a series of battles, one of the Canadians was without his rifle. Enemy bullets were hitting the earth all around. Mortars were dropping in front and behind them, some within 10 metres, bracketing their position and getting closer all the time. "They really hammered us," said Bill. He tried to get to their rifles but couldn't. Finally, an American sniper tossed him his rifle and said: "Here, you know how to use this better than I do."
They held off the enemy until darkness descended and escaped.
"They were instrumental in helping us achieve our goals out there," said 1st Lieut. Justin Overbaugh, 25, of Missoula, Mont., the soldier who recommended Bill and James for Bronze Stars.
"They are professionals; they are very good at what they do; they train hard, they are very mature, they are tactically and technically proficient so when it came time to do business, they were on," he said. "If they told me I was going out right now, I'd be begging, kicking, screaming, crying for them to come with us."
Bill and James said they pulled off several shots from 2,400 metres or more.
"Shots out that far are 60 per cent skill and 40 per cent luck, or vice versa," said Bill. "Usually, it takes two or three rounds, sometimes five. "Normally, a sniper wouldn't take that many shots, but they were out so far we felt confident they couldn't tell where we were."
One morning, the two Canadians were set up overlooking a compound when Al Qaeda fighters started "pouring out of buildings like ants." Bill started shooting while James called in a mortar attack, followed by B-52, F-16 and Apache helicopter strikes.
In a separate incident, Bill and James found themselves looking up at a large dark object screaming out of the sky directly above them - a 220-kilogram American bomb.
"We hit the deck and covered our heads with our hands," said James. The bomb landed 30 metres away, nose in, and never went off.
"By the grace of God, it was a dud," said Bill. "It landed 15 metres from the B company (U.S. 101st Airborne Division) trenches. A guy got up, walked out of the trench and kicked the thing."
Capt. Paul Madej, Operation Enduring Freedom chaplain, who debriefed the Canadians, described them: "The Canadian snipers are professional, well-trained soldiers who walked into harm's way and fulfilled their mission. They represent the best and they have our respect."
With files from Associated Press
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