March 14, 2005
NAWBLA vs. NAMBLA
Man, it looks like NAWBLA (North American Woman-Boy Love Association) is giving NAMBLA (North American Marlon Brando Look Alikes) a run for their money.
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March 07, 2005
Bolton Named Ambassador to UN
First Bono nominated for the World Bank and now Bolton? Ironincal. Speaking off the record, one UN employee responded here . Wait, I thought you said Michael Bolton.
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A very good choice. Smart, honest, brave and blunt speaking. Just like Dr. Rice. I'll bet Kofi and the surrender monkeys are mad as He--. Tuff shi-!
Posted by: Rod Stanton at March 08, 2005 11:50 AM (l5t6M)
January 17, 2005
Family of Four Murdered in NJ After Father Receives Death Threats for Speaking Out Against Islam
A New Jersey man originally from Egypt, Hossam Armanious, his wife, and his two daughters, age 16 and 8, were found brutally murdered in their home on Jan. 14th. Mr. Armanious was an Egyptian Christian who spent his spare time online speaking out against Muslim persecuation of Christian Copts in Egypt. He had been threatened online for his criticism.
The death penalty is prescribed for blasphemy under Islamic Law.
Let's see...guy says things about Islam that could be construed as offensive...guy gets death threats from followers of the Religion of Peace...guy won't back down...why does all of this sound so familiar?
NY Post (via Cranky Neocon):
The father of a murdered New Jersey family was threatened for making anti-Muslim remarks online — and the gruesome quadruple slaying may have been the hateful retaliation, sources told The Post yesterday.Faith Freedom (via Robert Spencer):Hossam Armanious, 47, who along with his wife and two daughters was found stabbed to death in his Jersey City home early Friday, would regularly debate religion in a Middle Eastern chat room, one source said.
Armanious, an Egyptian Christian, was well known for expressing his Coptic beliefs and engaging in fiery back-and-forth with Muslims on the Web site paltalk.com....
The married father of two had recently been threatened by Muslim members of the Web site, said a fellow Copt and store clerk who uses the chat room.
"You'd better stop this bull---- or we are going to track you down like a chicken and kill you," was the threat, said the clerk, who was online at the time and saw the exchange.
But Armanious refused to back down, according to two sources who use the Web site....
The FBI confirmed it has been called in to help with the case.
The Father, Hossam Armanious, spent some of his spare time in Internet chat rooms debating about religion and speaking out against the Islamic persecution of the Coptic Christians in his native country Egypt .The article continues with this editorial on the media silenceAbout two months ago, when he made a comment in a Paltalk chat room, he was threatened.
"Some Muslim guys said if you don't stop this, we're going to come out and kill you," said a family friend. To which he responded: “Here is America , I am free to say whatever I wantâ€.
Armanious could not be more wrong. When he found out that even in America he was not free to speak his mind, it was already too late. He was stabbed to death, his throat was slashed and his entire family was butchered.
Has America already become a dhimmi nation? Are the big American media afraid of the Islamists? Do the reporters fear for their own lives? What is the explanation of this silence? How many more death you need before you wake up and realize our freedom in America is hijacked? How many more innocent people should bathe in their own blood before you realize we are no more free in our own homes and the first amendment does not exist anymore? If today, Muslims with less than 2% of the population, can intimidate you to the extent that you are afraid to report their crimes, what will befall on you (and us) if their number is allowed to grow to 10%And some of you were wondering why I feel the need to blog anonymously?
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But the New York Times said Islam was all about Peace and love.....
Hmmmmmmm.... Could it be that Islam is actually....Evil?
Nine out of ten lopped off heads agree.
Hmmmmmmm.... Could it be that Islam is actually....Evil?
Nine out of ten lopped off heads agree.
Posted by: Snooks at January 17, 2005 02:50 PM (yBHNA)
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Sounds like I need to do one of the following:
A.Take the American Flag Down in front of my house.
B.Start Singing the the Praise to Islam,even though
Peaceful bastards just kidnaped an Arch Bishop from
my Church.
C. Buy a handgun
Hmmmmm...C
A.Take the American Flag Down in front of my house.
B.Start Singing the the Praise to Islam,even though
Peaceful bastards just kidnaped an Arch Bishop from
my Church.
C. Buy a handgun
Hmmmmm...C
Posted by: Brad at January 17, 2005 03:02 PM (ywZa8)
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The Christian Army will gather and rid the world of this stain called Islam.
Posted by: Proud Christian American at January 17, 2005 03:13 PM (yBHNA)
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The Christian Army does not wage war, PCA. We turn the other cheek, walk two miles when forced to go one, and were warned that we would be persecuted unto death for following Christ.
The USA, on the other hand, does wage war! May these jokers become mashed under the tracks of M1 tanks!
The USA, on the other hand, does wage war! May these jokers become mashed under the tracks of M1 tanks!
Posted by: Hammertime at January 17, 2005 03:27 PM (cFg3z)
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The MSM has been anti-American for 50 years. They naturally side with anyone that attacks Americans. This is just another example. But the biggest one the last few years was Arafat. He was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of American including several State Dept jr. execs. and an ambassador or two. The MSM has sung his praise ever since he started killing Americans 35 years ago.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at January 17, 2005 03:47 PM (IcheV)
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Rusty.... I don't think anyone wonders why you feel the need to blog anonymously; not even all the new people. Hell, I comment here anonymously myself. When you cover subjects like this, you get hate mail, even commenters get hate mail. I should know.
What's really scary about this, is, he was in chat rooms supposedly filled with people supposedly from his home country. I heard the tv say that he received a threat that told him we will track you down and kill you. How could they have tracked him down? And how did they get into his house? One person could not have killed all four, so maybe it was person(s) they knew? If the threat came from over there, how did they get people over here to move fast enough to find him and kill his entire family? Awful circumstances, horrible crime. Maybe it wasn't even related to his chat room chats. I just have that feeling there is more to this and as long as CSU doesn't screw up the scene, maybe we'll get a better explanation. I'd just hate to think that this could happen to any of us. Sometimes this is just too hard for my brain to wrap around such crimes. The people who were also in those chat rooms at the time were people that knew him and that he knew. Even if it was for the reasons stated, it had to be people he knew or why let them into his house? He's right about the MSM but there has to be more to this story, although if it is Muslim-related, they don't need much or any reason to do what they do. Either way, it's horrible and I hope they catch the scum that did this, why, so we all can feel a little safer in our homes. So many questions, not enough answers......
~Cindy
What's really scary about this, is, he was in chat rooms supposedly filled with people supposedly from his home country. I heard the tv say that he received a threat that told him we will track you down and kill you. How could they have tracked him down? And how did they get into his house? One person could not have killed all four, so maybe it was person(s) they knew? If the threat came from over there, how did they get people over here to move fast enough to find him and kill his entire family? Awful circumstances, horrible crime. Maybe it wasn't even related to his chat room chats. I just have that feeling there is more to this and as long as CSU doesn't screw up the scene, maybe we'll get a better explanation. I'd just hate to think that this could happen to any of us. Sometimes this is just too hard for my brain to wrap around such crimes. The people who were also in those chat rooms at the time were people that knew him and that he knew. Even if it was for the reasons stated, it had to be people he knew or why let them into his house? He's right about the MSM but there has to be more to this story, although if it is Muslim-related, they don't need much or any reason to do what they do. Either way, it's horrible and I hope they catch the scum that did this, why, so we all can feel a little safer in our homes. So many questions, not enough answers......
~Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at January 17, 2005 04:23 PM (D39Vm)
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If it wasn't the father's chat room stuff, it may have been this.
ABC News has learned that the slain family's cousin has been a translator working for the prosecution in the trial of Lynne Stewart. She is the radical lawyer accused of smuggling messages from imprisoned Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, to terrorist cell members and associates.
ABC News has learned that the slain family's cousin has been a translator working for the prosecution in the trial of Lynne Stewart. She is the radical lawyer accused of smuggling messages from imprisoned Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, to terrorist cell members and associates.
Posted by: Rob A. at January 17, 2005 05:53 PM (7RJ33)
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Hope she doesn't have more relatives here.....
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at January 17, 2005 06:16 PM (D39Vm)
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CINDY: Believe in internment camps yet?
Posted by: greyrooster at January 17, 2005 07:37 PM (Vc+ll)
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I wonder if they realize that somewhere in America some muslims will be killed in return. Rednecks are rednecks, Europe doesn't have any.
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Grey Rooster: Why ask me if I believe in internment camps yet for Islamists? I never said I didn't when it came to them. What made you bring that up? We are on the same side soldier!
Not ROB A's reponse - hopefully as they did further into this investigation, we will certainly learn more; just hope it doesn't die like so many other stories have in the past.
People are finally seeing the big picture (except for Hammertime, who needs a wake up call)- what does Christ have to do with it? and it's about time; when is enough going to be enough? I do know if I was physically able, that's where I'd be.
Rod, what does "Cerritos" mean>
Cindy
Not ROB A's reponse - hopefully as they did further into this investigation, we will certainly learn more; just hope it doesn't die like so many other stories have in the past.
People are finally seeing the big picture (except for Hammertime, who needs a wake up call)- what does Christ have to do with it? and it's about time; when is enough going to be enough? I do know if I was physically able, that's where I'd be.
Rod, what does "Cerritos" mean>
Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at January 18, 2005 02:43 AM (D39Vm)
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Get muslims out of America now. Call for outlawing this gutter religion. It is not a religion for civilized people. Therefore, muslims should not be in a civilized land. 2 plus 2 equals 4. Get them out now.
Posted by: greyrooster at January 18, 2005 06:09 AM (paXpx)
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Cindy Cerritos means little green hills.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at January 18, 2005 07:21 AM (IcheV)
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Here's a disturbing connection, just reported by local ABC News in New Jersey, in the case of the murdered family of Coptic Christians:
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_011705_murderedfamily.html
ABC News has learned that the slain family's cousin has been a Translator working for the prosecution in the trial of Lynne Stewart. She is
The radical lawyer accused of smuggling messages from imprisoned Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, to terrorist cell members and associates.
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_011705_murderedfamily.html
ABC News has learned that the slain family's cousin has been a Translator working for the prosecution in the trial of Lynne Stewart. She is
The radical lawyer accused of smuggling messages from imprisoned Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, to terrorist cell members and associates.
Posted by: Dave at January 18, 2005 08:26 AM (WICUl)
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Shit! Now we're paying terrorist supporters to help prosecute American GI's.
Posted by: greyrooster at January 19, 2005 09:05 AM (P8KoX)
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Thank goodness I don't believe in turning the other cheek anymore. I believe in this, you wrong me i'll seek revenge on you. Plain and simple, you hurt a family member of mine and something bad will happen to you and i'll be there.
As far as this guys family is concerned, they should kill 10 Muslims just for being Muslims and if I was on the jury i'd find them NOT FUCKING GUILTY FOR DOING SO!
As far as this guys family is concerned, they should kill 10 Muslims just for being Muslims and if I was on the jury i'd find them NOT FUCKING GUILTY FOR DOING SO!
Posted by: Andre at January 19, 2005 06:04 PM (2kPXV)
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I'm also talking his next of kin doing that. I wouldn't shed so much as a tear and if I was on the jury as stated, the verdict from me would forever be not guilty. I wouldn't care if the next of kin in question had 10 muslim heads in his/her refrigerator. Hell, the only thing I could possibly see him guilty for would be storing human body parts without a license!
Posted by: Andre at January 19, 2005 06:07 PM (2kPXV)
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... pretty God-awful pathetic. I stumbled on this page while looking for the latest factual information about the brutal murder of the coptic family in New Jersey. What I find, much to my surprise is a bunch of inbred heathens muslim-bashing and calling for mass expatriation of muslims (yes, even American citizens) from America if not total genocide (which by the way would include every fricking race here, since muslims are not limited to any one in particular).
Hell, if we wanted to judge a religion by it's followers, we should just flush them all down the toilet as "gutter religions". The jails and prisons are filled with much more who claim to be christian... I think all the mass murderers of modern lore, say like your John Wayne Gacy's, your Richard Specks, your Ted Bundy's... I don't believe any were, say "muslim". Boy, there's just not enough ink on the page for all the sadistic, pedophilic rapists, the honor roll of notoreity, who have raped, killed, sodomized, eaten (yes, let's not forget good ol' Jeffrey), and done whether else satan told them to do, or whatever voice they heard in their miserable pea heads.
And what about those great white "christian" knights, those klanners and cross-flamers of old? Those church bombing, slack-jawed supremists who terrorised non-whites into submission? Remember those poor little black girls in the Atlanta church bombing? Should we ban, "christianity" now because of christian hate?
Face it, religions don't kill.. demonic people do. Religion.. ? well, I've seen a healthy dose here of what yours has to offer. No wonder the church is the undisputed underdog.
Know Christ? Then, live a Christ-like life. Others, just shut the hell up.
Hell, if we wanted to judge a religion by it's followers, we should just flush them all down the toilet as "gutter religions". The jails and prisons are filled with much more who claim to be christian... I think all the mass murderers of modern lore, say like your John Wayne Gacy's, your Richard Specks, your Ted Bundy's... I don't believe any were, say "muslim". Boy, there's just not enough ink on the page for all the sadistic, pedophilic rapists, the honor roll of notoreity, who have raped, killed, sodomized, eaten (yes, let's not forget good ol' Jeffrey), and done whether else satan told them to do, or whatever voice they heard in their miserable pea heads.
And what about those great white "christian" knights, those klanners and cross-flamers of old? Those church bombing, slack-jawed supremists who terrorised non-whites into submission? Remember those poor little black girls in the Atlanta church bombing? Should we ban, "christianity" now because of christian hate?
Face it, religions don't kill.. demonic people do. Religion.. ? well, I've seen a healthy dose here of what yours has to offer. No wonder the church is the undisputed underdog.
Know Christ? Then, live a Christ-like life. Others, just shut the hell up.
Posted by: appalled at January 21, 2005 04:09 PM (TO+ez)
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.. interment camps you say? The day is coming soon when you might find yourself in one when the plutocrats get tired of paying you.
Much easier to work a slave without a wage.
Much easier to work a slave without a wage.
Posted by: appalled at January 21, 2005 04:12 PM (TO+ez)
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APPALLED: What rag head buggered you and make you like it?
Posted by: greyrooster at January 22, 2005 07:20 PM (/rKIG)
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Jesus was a "raghead" ... dressed in the clothes of a "raghead", and as a cohen (jewish priest) covered his head. To this day orthodox the jewish priests are "ragheads", orthodox jewish men cover their heads in respect while reading the sater, the mother of Jesus was a "raghead", wearing the clothes of a "raghead" and covering her head... which from these groups do you think buggered me?
Let's discuss buggery, you crude cretin (a french word, by the word that means "retarded christian". In the absence of being able to wage a salient argument, you seem very interested in assholes and what's going in them.
Let's discuss buggery, you crude cretin (a french word, by the word that means "retarded christian". In the absence of being able to wage a salient argument, you seem very interested in assholes and what's going in them.
Posted by: appalled at January 23, 2005 10:30 AM (TO+ez)
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Don't know anything who wore what 2005 years ago and neither do you. Ah! But all bullshit aside. You know what I mean. FAGGOT. Which one bugged you? Easy. All of them. Tell the truth. Liked it didn't you. You low life creep.
Mention the Gacys, Specks, Bundys. Don't mention the Canadian, Ha, British, South American, Russian, African nutso's. You low life piece of shit. Who killed more? Idi Amin, the muslim, or all the sick American killers put together.
What about the Klanner's? You simple minded prick. What era do you live in? You wish to talk about white crime on black. Today, it doesn't exist. Ever heard of a white person striking a black first? You mis-informed creep. Look at every fight in Professional Basketball, Football, Baseball. Every see a white man hit a black man first? NEVER. It don't happen, And that goes for college to. Tell me about it. Want to talk about where? San Francisco's Tenderloin District. When has a white ever attacked a black? How about New Orleans. Or Los Angeles, Or Chicago, Or New York, Or Miami. Name one, Punk! There's not a day that goes by in America where the attacks on whites by blacks are not 100 % higher. Where the fuck are you talking about. Show me asshole. Show me what's happening today. Read the papers tomorrow morning. In every major American city. Count the number of attacks on blacks verus the attacks by blacks on whites.
I am a racist. I am a racist because I tell the truth. Because I talk about what I have experienced. So Fuck you on the black thing.
Now on the Muslim thing. People are having their heads cut off in the name of allah. The MUSLIM assholes who cut the heads off exclaim God is great. A Muslim thing. They cut people heads off in plain site. Everyone can see. No fucking one tells. They plant bombs on main streets, no one sees or tells. A suicide bomber killer is considered a hero. His family places his picture on the mantel and lights candles. Religious clerics claim him to be a martyr. Who the fuck is innocent here? You uninformed liberal dip shit creep. I piss on you.
Iraqi Muslims did more rape, sodomy, killings in one week in Kuwait than all the sicko's in the last 100 years in America.
I LOVE AMERICA. I LOVE WHITE PEOPLE. BECAUSE WE ARE GREAT, HELPFUL, COMPASSIONATE. We are the BIG DOG for a reason. Others can be just as great. But not at our expense. No one, no one has done as much for the world as America.
Your a creep APPALLED. Just a jealous little creep. Attacking America in not the in thing to do. America does what others don't have the stomach to. You are shit, America is great. Just look at the immigration list.
Grow the fuck up you jealous little shit. I piss on you.
Mention the Gacys, Specks, Bundys. Don't mention the Canadian, Ha, British, South American, Russian, African nutso's. You low life piece of shit. Who killed more? Idi Amin, the muslim, or all the sick American killers put together.
What about the Klanner's? You simple minded prick. What era do you live in? You wish to talk about white crime on black. Today, it doesn't exist. Ever heard of a white person striking a black first? You mis-informed creep. Look at every fight in Professional Basketball, Football, Baseball. Every see a white man hit a black man first? NEVER. It don't happen, And that goes for college to. Tell me about it. Want to talk about where? San Francisco's Tenderloin District. When has a white ever attacked a black? How about New Orleans. Or Los Angeles, Or Chicago, Or New York, Or Miami. Name one, Punk! There's not a day that goes by in America where the attacks on whites by blacks are not 100 % higher. Where the fuck are you talking about. Show me asshole. Show me what's happening today. Read the papers tomorrow morning. In every major American city. Count the number of attacks on blacks verus the attacks by blacks on whites.
I am a racist. I am a racist because I tell the truth. Because I talk about what I have experienced. So Fuck you on the black thing.
Now on the Muslim thing. People are having their heads cut off in the name of allah. The MUSLIM assholes who cut the heads off exclaim God is great. A Muslim thing. They cut people heads off in plain site. Everyone can see. No fucking one tells. They plant bombs on main streets, no one sees or tells. A suicide bomber killer is considered a hero. His family places his picture on the mantel and lights candles. Religious clerics claim him to be a martyr. Who the fuck is innocent here? You uninformed liberal dip shit creep. I piss on you.
Iraqi Muslims did more rape, sodomy, killings in one week in Kuwait than all the sicko's in the last 100 years in America.
I LOVE AMERICA. I LOVE WHITE PEOPLE. BECAUSE WE ARE GREAT, HELPFUL, COMPASSIONATE. We are the BIG DOG for a reason. Others can be just as great. But not at our expense. No one, no one has done as much for the world as America.
Your a creep APPALLED. Just a jealous little creep. Attacking America in not the in thing to do. America does what others don't have the stomach to. You are shit, America is great. Just look at the immigration list.
Grow the fuck up you jealous little shit. I piss on you.
Posted by: greyrooster at January 24, 2005 06:42 PM (MHr0+)
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.. how pathetic. This is why material for the general public is dumbed down to a 6th grade level. Hey cockadoodleDUD, you seem fixated on your elimination processes, from asshole to pee-hole. Does "pissing" on people somehow make you great. How DOGmatic.
Your bell's just too easy to ring. Lay off the Jack Daniels. Have a fine fricking day.
Your bell's just too easy to ring. Lay off the Jack Daniels. Have a fine fricking day.
Posted by: appalled at January 24, 2005 11:08 PM (TO+ez)
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But you didn't challenge my assertions, did you? Because I'm right, the facts back me up. Your stupid claims don't stand up. Just a mouth runner. Had enough of loud mouth lying cry babies like you blameing white people and America for the ills of the world. IT'S A LIE. Without white people and America the world would be shit. Just like you. Good Americans are dying while they attempt to make the world a better place for all. While other cowardly peoples take a feed ride. How does a GI in Iraq feel when he reads your bullshit? Again, piss on you.
Posted by: greyrooster at January 25, 2005 07:12 AM (+Fhv/)
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Probably not greyrooster. Unfortunately, rednecks don't know the difference between Muslims, Hindus, Coptics or Sikhs.
I live in Texas and am a Hindu. While I personally wasn't bothered post 9/11, a lot of Hindus and Sikhs were. In fact, at least one Sikh was killed from a dumb redneck in Arizona.
The irony of the situation is Hindus and Sikhs have had to fight these bastards for thousands of years.
So many people escapec their native lands due to persecution, including our first pilgrims. Whether it be religious, ethnic, political, what have you.
They came to America to be free, to get away from these types of people.
And here they are again? We can't even post web blogs? We live in fear, even here?
I do think self defense is necessary; however, educated self defense. I certainly hope anyone thinking of defending their faith, freedom, etc. knows who the enemy really is.
Unfortunately, the people who resort to physical attacks on the street or even random shootings tend to not be the brightest or most educated folks. These are exactly the same people who think Sikhs are Taliban because they wear cloth on their heads.
It is up to the higher echelons of American intellect to act. A beating here, a killing there, won't put a dent in the lives of these people. They re-produce like anything.
Americans often question: "Why don't Indians stop reproducing?" Well, they tried. They tried passing a law to limit the number of births. Muslims started rioting and said it was an infringement on their religion. They already make up about 18 percent of India now. The way they reproduce, they are expected to supercede Hindus in some years, much as the situation is in Texas with Hispanics.
The only way to fight these people is to take advantage of what they don't have: brain power. The fundamentalists are like ghetto street thugs, ready to pounce you on a dark corner in Compton or Queens. They don't have very high intellectual capacities because they have spent all their time spewing hatred and focusing everything on Islam.
What America needs, is to take advantage of this. We need people at the top of the social ladder to shape the way America is.
I suggest the bankers, real estate professionals, attorneys, media people, immigration officers, police, legislators, hospitals, everyone work in their own respective fields to, how should i put it, not make it easy for certain people to build their houses of worship. City ordinances, zoning, architectural commitee members, everyone can do their part to make it as difficult- yet remain within the law- as possible for these people to create their so called houses of worship. University admissions boards, try to avoid selecting these people for admissions. Real Estate brokers, make their lives hell. INS officials: deny them entry to this country. Police: lay the laws extra nice and hard on them. We all need to work together so that they don't think of America as some peachy land for them. The longer they think that, the more want to come here. Let them do their shit in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, but, for God's sake, don't trouble the people that are just trying to live in peace.
"I wonder if they realize that somewhere in America some muslims will be killed in return. Rednecks are rednecks, Europe doesn't have any.
Posted by: greyrooster at January 17, 2005 07:44 PM
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I live in Texas and am a Hindu. While I personally wasn't bothered post 9/11, a lot of Hindus and Sikhs were. In fact, at least one Sikh was killed from a dumb redneck in Arizona.
The irony of the situation is Hindus and Sikhs have had to fight these bastards for thousands of years.
So many people escapec their native lands due to persecution, including our first pilgrims. Whether it be religious, ethnic, political, what have you.
They came to America to be free, to get away from these types of people.
And here they are again? We can't even post web blogs? We live in fear, even here?
I do think self defense is necessary; however, educated self defense. I certainly hope anyone thinking of defending their faith, freedom, etc. knows who the enemy really is.
Unfortunately, the people who resort to physical attacks on the street or even random shootings tend to not be the brightest or most educated folks. These are exactly the same people who think Sikhs are Taliban because they wear cloth on their heads.
It is up to the higher echelons of American intellect to act. A beating here, a killing there, won't put a dent in the lives of these people. They re-produce like anything.
Americans often question: "Why don't Indians stop reproducing?" Well, they tried. They tried passing a law to limit the number of births. Muslims started rioting and said it was an infringement on their religion. They already make up about 18 percent of India now. The way they reproduce, they are expected to supercede Hindus in some years, much as the situation is in Texas with Hispanics.
The only way to fight these people is to take advantage of what they don't have: brain power. The fundamentalists are like ghetto street thugs, ready to pounce you on a dark corner in Compton or Queens. They don't have very high intellectual capacities because they have spent all their time spewing hatred and focusing everything on Islam.
What America needs, is to take advantage of this. We need people at the top of the social ladder to shape the way America is.
I suggest the bankers, real estate professionals, attorneys, media people, immigration officers, police, legislators, hospitals, everyone work in their own respective fields to, how should i put it, not make it easy for certain people to build their houses of worship. City ordinances, zoning, architectural commitee members, everyone can do their part to make it as difficult- yet remain within the law- as possible for these people to create their so called houses of worship. University admissions boards, try to avoid selecting these people for admissions. Real Estate brokers, make their lives hell. INS officials: deny them entry to this country. Police: lay the laws extra nice and hard on them. We all need to work together so that they don't think of America as some peachy land for them. The longer they think that, the more want to come here. Let them do their shit in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, but, for God's sake, don't trouble the people that are just trying to live in peace.
"I wonder if they realize that somewhere in America some muslims will be killed in return. Rednecks are rednecks, Europe doesn't have any.
Posted by: greyrooster at January 17, 2005 07:44 PM
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Probably not greyrooster. Unfortunately, rednecks don't know the difference between Muslims, Hindus, Coptics or Sikhs.
I live in Texas and am a Hindu. While I personally wasn't bothered post 9/11, a lot of Hindus and Sikhs were. In fact, at least one Sikh was killed from a dumb redneck in Arizona.
The irony of the situation is Hindus and Sikhs have had to fight these bastards for thousands of years.
So many people escapec their native lands due to persecution, including our first pilgrims. Whether it be religious, ethnic, political, what have you.
They came to America to be free, to get away from these types of people.
And here they are again? We can't even post web blogs? We live in fear, even here?
I do think self defense is necessary; however, educated self defense. I certainly hope anyone thinking of defending their faith, freedom, etc. knows who the enemy really is.
Unfortunately, the people who resort to physical attacks on the street or even random shootings tend to not be the brightest or most educated folks. These are exactly the same people who think Sikhs are Taliban because they wear cloth on their heads.
It is up to the higher echelons of American intellect to act. A beating here, a killing there, won't put a dent in the lives of these people. They re-produce like anything.
Americans often question: "Why don't Indians stop reproducing?" Well, they tried. They tried passing a law to limit the number of births. Muslims started rioting and said it was an infringement on their religion. They already make up about 18 percent of India now. The way they reproduce, they are expected to supercede Hindus in some years, much as the situation is in Texas with Hispanics.
The only way to fight these people is to take advantage of what they don't have: brain power. The fundamentalists are like ghetto street thugs, ready to pounce you on a dark corner in Compton or Queens. They don't have very high intellectual capacities because they have spent all their time spewing hatred and focusing everything on Islam.
What America needs, is to take advantage of this. We need people at the top of the social ladder to shape the way America is.
I suggest the bankers, real estate professionals, attorneys, media people, immigration officers, police, legislators, hospitals, everyone work in their own respective fields to, how should i put it, not make it easy for certain people to build their houses of worship. City ordinances, zoning, architectural commitee members, everyone can do their part to make it as difficult- yet remain within the law- as possible for these people to create their so called houses of worship. University admissions boards, try to avoid selecting these people for admissions. Real Estate brokers, make their lives hell. INS officials: deny them entry to this country. Police: lay the laws extra nice and hard on them. We all need to work together so that they don't think of America as some peachy land for them. The longer they think that, the more want to come here. Let them do their shit in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, but, for God's sake, don't trouble the people that are just trying to live in peace.
"I wonder if they realize that somewhere in America some muslims will be killed in return. Rednecks are rednecks, Europe doesn't have any.
Posted by: greyrooster at January 17, 2005 07:44 PM
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I live in Texas and am a Hindu. While I personally wasn't bothered post 9/11, a lot of Hindus and Sikhs were. In fact, at least one Sikh was killed from a dumb redneck in Arizona.
The irony of the situation is Hindus and Sikhs have had to fight these bastards for thousands of years.
So many people escapec their native lands due to persecution, including our first pilgrims. Whether it be religious, ethnic, political, what have you.
They came to America to be free, to get away from these types of people.
And here they are again? We can't even post web blogs? We live in fear, even here?
I do think self defense is necessary; however, educated self defense. I certainly hope anyone thinking of defending their faith, freedom, etc. knows who the enemy really is.
Unfortunately, the people who resort to physical attacks on the street or even random shootings tend to not be the brightest or most educated folks. These are exactly the same people who think Sikhs are Taliban because they wear cloth on their heads.
It is up to the higher echelons of American intellect to act. A beating here, a killing there, won't put a dent in the lives of these people. They re-produce like anything.
Americans often question: "Why don't Indians stop reproducing?" Well, they tried. They tried passing a law to limit the number of births. Muslims started rioting and said it was an infringement on their religion. They already make up about 18 percent of India now. The way they reproduce, they are expected to supercede Hindus in some years, much as the situation is in Texas with Hispanics.
The only way to fight these people is to take advantage of what they don't have: brain power. The fundamentalists are like ghetto street thugs, ready to pounce you on a dark corner in Compton or Queens. They don't have very high intellectual capacities because they have spent all their time spewing hatred and focusing everything on Islam.
What America needs, is to take advantage of this. We need people at the top of the social ladder to shape the way America is.
I suggest the bankers, real estate professionals, attorneys, media people, immigration officers, police, legislators, hospitals, everyone work in their own respective fields to, how should i put it, not make it easy for certain people to build their houses of worship. City ordinances, zoning, architectural commitee members, everyone can do their part to make it as difficult- yet remain within the law- as possible for these people to create their so called houses of worship. University admissions boards, try to avoid selecting these people for admissions. Real Estate brokers, make their lives hell. INS officials: deny them entry to this country. Police: lay the laws extra nice and hard on them. We all need to work together so that they don't think of America as some peachy land for them. The longer they think that, the more want to come here. Let them do their shit in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, but, for God's sake, don't trouble the people that are just trying to live in peace.
"I wonder if they realize that somewhere in America some muslims will be killed in return. Rednecks are rednecks, Europe doesn't have any.
Posted by: greyrooster at January 17, 2005 07:44 PM
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Posted by: Aryan at February 13, 2005 08:15 PM (vPE9I)
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Sorry for the double post.
P.S.: I just wanted to mention that there are certain types of Muslims that tend to be much more easy going:
Shia's
Aga Khan's
Its hard to tell the difference, but they exist.
Many of these people are also the victim of Sunni Muslim intolerance.
P.S.: I just wanted to mention that there are certain types of Muslims that tend to be much more easy going:
Shia's
Aga Khan's
Its hard to tell the difference, but they exist.
Many of these people are also the victim of Sunni Muslim intolerance.
Posted by: Aryan at February 13, 2005 08:18 PM (vPE9I)
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Fuck You All, Who Don't Believe in America And those americans who want to do harm to us, better look over there back a trillion upon trillion fold!
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Posted by: mrk at February 17, 2005 05:07 AM (fOCuo)
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Everyone, I'm a Muslim yehh... And to be honest with you all, I'm quite surprised with how the world views Islam today... Before 9/11 happened, I thought all religions were living in peace, but I realised that I hadn't read the newspaper much, LOL...
Okay, you all see on TV about how Muslims keep threatening, bombing and killing people yehh... And the word 'jihad' became quite trendy these days... I just want to EMPHASISE that there is nothing wrong with Islam (I mean the religion). It's just that some 'uneducated' Muslims think that they are doing the right thing by bombing and killing people.
So, my point is that don't judge Islam (the religion) by looking at the Muslims (the people). Because, Muslims can be deviated, but the religion is always right.
Believe me, even the Muslims all around the world are also confused by these so-called "Army of Jihad", etc.
Hope to hear from someone...
Okay, you all see on TV about how Muslims keep threatening, bombing and killing people yehh... And the word 'jihad' became quite trendy these days... I just want to EMPHASISE that there is nothing wrong with Islam (I mean the religion). It's just that some 'uneducated' Muslims think that they are doing the right thing by bombing and killing people.
So, my point is that don't judge Islam (the religion) by looking at the Muslims (the people). Because, Muslims can be deviated, but the religion is always right.
Believe me, even the Muslims all around the world are also confused by these so-called "Army of Jihad", etc.
Hope to hear from someone...
Posted by: Dadang at February 18, 2005 07:34 PM (higHR)
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Jesus was a "raghead" ... dressed in the clothes of a "raghead", and as a cohen (jewish priest) covered his head. To this day orthodox the jewish priests are "ragheads", orthodox jewish men cover their heads in respect while reading the sater, the mother of Jesus was a "raghead", wearing the clothes of a "raghead" and covering her head... which from these groups do you think buggered me?
Let's discuss buggery, you crude cretin (a french word, by the word that means "retarded christian". In the absence of being able to wage a salient argument, you seem very interested in assholes and what's going in them.
Posted by: appalled at January 23, 2005 10:30 AM
We have nuts in every comunity and If you like to push your luck go ahead.
Let's discuss buggery, you crude cretin (a french word, by the word that means "retarded christian". In the absence of being able to wage a salient argument, you seem very interested in assholes and what's going in them.
Posted by: appalled at January 23, 2005 10:30 AM
We have nuts in every comunity and If you like to push your luck go ahead.
Posted by: JACK at February 26, 2005 12:18 AM (2RRsD)
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I firmly believe that all groups of people are basically the same.
In any major group one can find the very very good and the very very
evil with everything in between...a bell curve would serve greatly here
to demonstrate what I am writing. Imagine a bell curve; squewed all the
way to one side are the evil people and all the way to the other side the very very good with
everything in between at the mean.
Also consider a very useful theory of personality taught by Eric
Burns. Burns teaches that all people operate on the principal of the
three P's =: 1) Permission ; 2) Protection; 3) Potency. One cannot
even get out of bed in the morning without these three parts of our
personalities in some reasonable operation.
If any society adopts a philosophy that allows or gives PERMISSION
for one bit of evil you can be certain that there will be members of
that group quite willing to carry out that permission to the fullest
extent of interperation...Islam is replete with such permission to kill
and perform other atrocities. Not only that; one cannot argue that the
quran is all in the inteperation when the hadiths CLEARLY state that the
meaning is to kill the infidel. This is what Muslims are currently
doing in the Sudan; this is what Muslims did to the Assyrians, Greeks
and Armeinans in Turkey; this is what Muslim invader did to the
indigenous population of the Coptic/Egyptian people. Now Egypt is a
good example; it is also a typical example of what the philosophy of
Islam does. Today only 10% of the original people of Egypt exist. 90%
of todays so called Egyptians are actually Turk/Arab mix.
Consider that Egyptian/Coptic is no longer spoken in Egypt. Arabic
is the official language. Why? The Egyptian people kept their ancient
language, Coptic all during the Greek occupation; they kept it all
during the Roman occupation...but after a mere few years of Muslim
occupation suddenly Coptic is no longer the official language...The why
of it has already been stated. Those who spoke Coptic were murdered and
a new Arabic speaking population moved in.
Islam is all about murder and genocide. You know this is true if you
have ever read a quran. I am not saying that all Muslims are murderers
any more than I am saying that all Nazis or Communists were or are
murders; but the philosophy of all three, Islam, Nazism and Communism
give permission to do murder and that is all that is necessary for a
phiolosphy to be very dangerous.
This is why the idiot who wrote that "...Hell, if we wanted to judge a religion by it's followers, we should just flush them all down the toilet as "gutter religions"..." REALLY IS AN IDIOT. This idiot should read a little history about Islam...He shold also read a few newspapers...Read about what Muslims are doing to non-Muslims in the Sudan; the Phillipeans, Indonesia and anyother damn nation where Muslims are in great numbers...Hey stupid..get you head out of your dumb ass and smell the coffee...Muslims in this nation...It would be as safe or perhaps safer to have a regiment of Nazis.
IF ISLAM THRIVES HUMANITY DIES !!
William J. Herald; Viet Nam era vet US Army 1965-1967.
PS..I was stationed overseas when the Indonesians had thir little Jihad
in 1966. Two childhood "friends", both boys about 15 years old greeted
each other one morning. But when the other had his back turned his "friend"
pulled out a bland and chopped of his "friend's head off/ Why?
Because one was not practicing the kind of Islam the other thought was
necessary. Was the murderer arristed? NO! He was greeted in his community as a great deferder of Islam.
QURAN: Although Muslims are asked to be compassionate amongst one another, their Quran teaches them to be
"harsh with unbelievers", our Christian, Jewish and Atheist neighbors and colleagues (48:29).
QURAN: "strike off the heads of the disbelievers"; and after making a "wide
slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives" (47:4).
In any major group one can find the very very good and the very very
evil with everything in between...a bell curve would serve greatly here
to demonstrate what I am writing. Imagine a bell curve; squewed all the
way to one side are the evil people and all the way to the other side the very very good with
everything in between at the mean.
Also consider a very useful theory of personality taught by Eric
Burns. Burns teaches that all people operate on the principal of the
three P's =: 1) Permission ; 2) Protection; 3) Potency. One cannot
even get out of bed in the morning without these three parts of our
personalities in some reasonable operation.
If any society adopts a philosophy that allows or gives PERMISSION
for one bit of evil you can be certain that there will be members of
that group quite willing to carry out that permission to the fullest
extent of interperation...Islam is replete with such permission to kill
and perform other atrocities. Not only that; one cannot argue that the
quran is all in the inteperation when the hadiths CLEARLY state that the
meaning is to kill the infidel. This is what Muslims are currently
doing in the Sudan; this is what Muslims did to the Assyrians, Greeks
and Armeinans in Turkey; this is what Muslim invader did to the
indigenous population of the Coptic/Egyptian people. Now Egypt is a
good example; it is also a typical example of what the philosophy of
Islam does. Today only 10% of the original people of Egypt exist. 90%
of todays so called Egyptians are actually Turk/Arab mix.
Consider that Egyptian/Coptic is no longer spoken in Egypt. Arabic
is the official language. Why? The Egyptian people kept their ancient
language, Coptic all during the Greek occupation; they kept it all
during the Roman occupation...but after a mere few years of Muslim
occupation suddenly Coptic is no longer the official language...The why
of it has already been stated. Those who spoke Coptic were murdered and
a new Arabic speaking population moved in.
Islam is all about murder and genocide. You know this is true if you
have ever read a quran. I am not saying that all Muslims are murderers
any more than I am saying that all Nazis or Communists were or are
murders; but the philosophy of all three, Islam, Nazism and Communism
give permission to do murder and that is all that is necessary for a
phiolosphy to be very dangerous.
This is why the idiot who wrote that "...Hell, if we wanted to judge a religion by it's followers, we should just flush them all down the toilet as "gutter religions"..." REALLY IS AN IDIOT. This idiot should read a little history about Islam...He shold also read a few newspapers...Read about what Muslims are doing to non-Muslims in the Sudan; the Phillipeans, Indonesia and anyother damn nation where Muslims are in great numbers...Hey stupid..get you head out of your dumb ass and smell the coffee...Muslims in this nation...It would be as safe or perhaps safer to have a regiment of Nazis.
IF ISLAM THRIVES HUMANITY DIES !!
William J. Herald; Viet Nam era vet US Army 1965-1967.
PS..I was stationed overseas when the Indonesians had thir little Jihad
in 1966. Two childhood "friends", both boys about 15 years old greeted
each other one morning. But when the other had his back turned his "friend"
pulled out a bland and chopped of his "friend's head off/ Why?
Because one was not practicing the kind of Islam the other thought was
necessary. Was the murderer arristed? NO! He was greeted in his community as a great deferder of Islam.
QURAN: Although Muslims are asked to be compassionate amongst one another, their Quran teaches them to be
"harsh with unbelievers", our Christian, Jewish and Atheist neighbors and colleagues (48:29).
QURAN: "strike off the heads of the disbelievers"; and after making a "wide
slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives" (47:4).
Posted by: Anti Hate Philosophy at February 27, 2005 12:45 AM (eproi)
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Christians may go to war..BUT THERE IS NOTHING IN THE TEACHINGS OF CHRIST GIVING PERMISSION TO KILL ANYONE..JUST THE OPPOSITE; "DO GOOD TO THOSE WHO ABUSE YOU"....BUT THE QURAN TEACHES MURDER
TEACHINGS OF THE QURAN: The holy Prophet (HOLY? WHAT A JOKE) prescribes fighting for Muslims and tells Muslims
"it is good for us even if we dislike it" (2:216).
Although we are asked to be compassionate amongst each other, we have to be
"harsh with unbelievers", our Christian, Jewish and Atheist neighbors and colleagues (48:29).
"strike off the heads of the disbelievers"; and after making a "wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives" (47:4).
"instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers"
"smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them" (8:12).
The quran assures MUSLIMS that when they kill in his name
"it is not us who slay them but Allah, in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself" (8:17).
He orders Muslims
"to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies" (8:60).
He has made the Jihad mandatory and warns Muslims
"Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place" (9:39).
orders its followers to
“fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left “(2:193).
It asks the Muslims to
"slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter" (5:34).
TEACHINGS OF THE QURAN: The holy Prophet (HOLY? WHAT A JOKE) prescribes fighting for Muslims and tells Muslims
"it is good for us even if we dislike it" (2:216).
Although we are asked to be compassionate amongst each other, we have to be
"harsh with unbelievers", our Christian, Jewish and Atheist neighbors and colleagues (48:29).
"strike off the heads of the disbelievers"; and after making a "wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives" (47:4).
"instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers"
"smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them" (8:12).
The quran assures MUSLIMS that when they kill in his name
"it is not us who slay them but Allah, in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself" (8:17).
He orders Muslims
"to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies" (8:60).
He has made the Jihad mandatory and warns Muslims
"Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place" (9:39).
orders its followers to
“fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left “(2:193).
It asks the Muslims to
"slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter" (5:34).
Posted by: Anti Hate Philosophy at February 27, 2005 01:01 AM (eproi)
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Lot of racism here. Lot of anti-muslim sentiment. With 6 million+ muslims in America, one would think by reading the garbage listed here by u morons, that there is violence committed every day.
Well lets say....ok we were not responsible for slavery, that was a christian thing....several hundred million africans enslaved....
ok we did not start world war one or two...once again a christian thing...
ok-we did not ethnically cleanse north america of its original inhabitants---yeah, that too was a christian thing
oh, and muslims never used atomic or nuclear weapons...
and we did not start the crusades
oh yeah...we didnt do the holocaust
oh i almost forgot the spanish inquisition
and the genocide in bosnia-that was a orthodox thing..
and we had nothing to do with the rwanda genocide
and we had nothing to do with the killing fields of cambodia...
and nothing to do with the catholic-protestant wars of europe--like ireland
oh yeah, and muslims make up the largest portion of the worlds refugees-some from inter-muslim fighting, but mostly because of conflicts, such as yugoslavia, kosova, chechnya, kashmir, palestine.....
You frigging idiots----violence is un-holy, whether it is committed
by muslims, chrstians, hindus, jews, or atheists....
islam has been around for a while, and is not going away...
people who kill in the name of islam are deviants, just like the deviants who committed all the above atrocities..
friggin hypocrites
Well lets say....ok we were not responsible for slavery, that was a christian thing....several hundred million africans enslaved....
ok we did not start world war one or two...once again a christian thing...
ok-we did not ethnically cleanse north america of its original inhabitants---yeah, that too was a christian thing
oh, and muslims never used atomic or nuclear weapons...
and we did not start the crusades
oh yeah...we didnt do the holocaust
oh i almost forgot the spanish inquisition
and the genocide in bosnia-that was a orthodox thing..
and we had nothing to do with the rwanda genocide
and we had nothing to do with the killing fields of cambodia...
and nothing to do with the catholic-protestant wars of europe--like ireland
oh yeah, and muslims make up the largest portion of the worlds refugees-some from inter-muslim fighting, but mostly because of conflicts, such as yugoslavia, kosova, chechnya, kashmir, palestine.....
You frigging idiots----violence is un-holy, whether it is committed
by muslims, chrstians, hindus, jews, or atheists....
islam has been around for a while, and is not going away...
people who kill in the name of islam are deviants, just like the deviants who committed all the above atrocities..
friggin hypocrites
Posted by: muslim-born-in-usa at March 17, 2005 11:47 PM (TLw7B)
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interesting article--found at islamicity.com
What if the media applies the same rules it applies to report incidents of violence in the Muslim world? What if the reporter happened to have biases against Christianity? What if he is totally ignorant of the Milwaukee religious profile and the American religious landscape? The result will not be different than what you may read in the following story.
A Christian Terrorist kills seven innocent Americans including children and women. The terrorist act happened on Saturday at a church service held regularly at the Sheraton Hotel in Brookfield, Wisconsin. After killing the seven innocent people the Christian terrorist killed himself. Four died at the scene and three others died later of their injuries, police said. They ranged in age from 16 to over 60 year olds.
The terrorist was described as a 45-year-old man who had been affiliated with the church, which met at the hotel every Saturday morning for several years. The group, the Church of the Living God, is an evangelical church that observes the Sabbath on Saturday, not on Sunday. It was reported that the gunman had differences with the Church Leaders on various religious affairs including the Christian Sabbath day. Experts believe that his act was inspired by several biblical verses that promote violence in the Old Testament. However, no one has demanded a serious study on the issue of Biblical roots of Violence.
Experts also believe that the inspiration for the terrorist act came from the belief that the killing would be forgiven as Jesus has already died for the sins of all the Christians.
Several Experts on Christianity tend to believe that the rising violence in the US can be attributed to this belief. In a survey done by some experts it was revealed that most Christians believe that their sins have already been forgiven as the Son of God has died for their sin. "The rising violence and the indulgence of Christians in the killing, looting and cheating acts all over the world can be attributed to this belief", said an expert. "When people believe that they are not accountable to any higher authority as they have already been forgiven, they tend to commit excesses regardless of the harm they inflict upon people", explained the expert.
"If the world wants to see a decrease in violence in countries with Christian majority, they have to look at the Christian theology of sin and crucifixion", added the expert.
Seemingly, the incidents of violence are on the rise in the USA, after the re-election of Mr. Bush who is said to be a staunch evangelical born-again Christian.
Experts feel that his re-election has emboldened several rightwing Christians. Several religious communities are questioning the silence of Christian leaders and scholars in discussing the theology of the forgiveness of sin.
Muslim scholars, however, have warned against generalization. They said that the action of a few Christians cannot be used to condemn Christianity or blame all Christians for violence. They cautioned against viewing all churches as potential cells where violent and terrorist Christians hide. They argue that such a description of Christians or their churches will be a violation of the principles of Islam that promote respect for people of all faith.
The Milwaukee terror act has created a climate of fear in religious circles all over the country. People fear that potential Christian killers and terrorists might be present in every religious gatherings, waiting for the right moment to strike against innocent Americans.
Several Christian leaders, however, suggest that such acts are inspired by Satan, and they have no place in the official teachings of Christianity. Some of them blame the presence of other religions in America as a source of corruption of their faith. Others argue that by accepting Jesus as Son of God and God (Muslims and Jews don't believe in the concept of trinity) all people will be saved from hellfire. However, many Christians reject this theology arguing that people will be judged according to their actions, a position held by Muslims all over the world.
Note: The above is only an example of what a biased media report of Christianity may contain.
What if the media applies the same rules it applies to report incidents of violence in the Muslim world? What if the reporter happened to have biases against Christianity? What if he is totally ignorant of the Milwaukee religious profile and the American religious landscape? The result will not be different than what you may read in the following story.
A Christian Terrorist kills seven innocent Americans including children and women. The terrorist act happened on Saturday at a church service held regularly at the Sheraton Hotel in Brookfield, Wisconsin. After killing the seven innocent people the Christian terrorist killed himself. Four died at the scene and three others died later of their injuries, police said. They ranged in age from 16 to over 60 year olds.
The terrorist was described as a 45-year-old man who had been affiliated with the church, which met at the hotel every Saturday morning for several years. The group, the Church of the Living God, is an evangelical church that observes the Sabbath on Saturday, not on Sunday. It was reported that the gunman had differences with the Church Leaders on various religious affairs including the Christian Sabbath day. Experts believe that his act was inspired by several biblical verses that promote violence in the Old Testament. However, no one has demanded a serious study on the issue of Biblical roots of Violence.
Experts also believe that the inspiration for the terrorist act came from the belief that the killing would be forgiven as Jesus has already died for the sins of all the Christians.
Several Experts on Christianity tend to believe that the rising violence in the US can be attributed to this belief. In a survey done by some experts it was revealed that most Christians believe that their sins have already been forgiven as the Son of God has died for their sin. "The rising violence and the indulgence of Christians in the killing, looting and cheating acts all over the world can be attributed to this belief", said an expert. "When people believe that they are not accountable to any higher authority as they have already been forgiven, they tend to commit excesses regardless of the harm they inflict upon people", explained the expert.
"If the world wants to see a decrease in violence in countries with Christian majority, they have to look at the Christian theology of sin and crucifixion", added the expert.
Seemingly, the incidents of violence are on the rise in the USA, after the re-election of Mr. Bush who is said to be a staunch evangelical born-again Christian.
Experts feel that his re-election has emboldened several rightwing Christians. Several religious communities are questioning the silence of Christian leaders and scholars in discussing the theology of the forgiveness of sin.
Muslim scholars, however, have warned against generalization. They said that the action of a few Christians cannot be used to condemn Christianity or blame all Christians for violence. They cautioned against viewing all churches as potential cells where violent and terrorist Christians hide. They argue that such a description of Christians or their churches will be a violation of the principles of Islam that promote respect for people of all faith.
The Milwaukee terror act has created a climate of fear in religious circles all over the country. People fear that potential Christian killers and terrorists might be present in every religious gatherings, waiting for the right moment to strike against innocent Americans.
Several Christian leaders, however, suggest that such acts are inspired by Satan, and they have no place in the official teachings of Christianity. Some of them blame the presence of other religions in America as a source of corruption of their faith. Others argue that by accepting Jesus as Son of God and God (Muslims and Jews don't believe in the concept of trinity) all people will be saved from hellfire. However, many Christians reject this theology arguing that people will be judged according to their actions, a position held by Muslims all over the world.
Note: The above is only an example of what a biased media report of Christianity may contain.
Posted by: muslim-born-in-usa at March 17, 2005 11:51 PM (TLw7B)
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Appalled you are a malicious liar and you are WRONG!!,,Greyrooster is RIGHT.
ISLAM is a nasty cult and should not be allowed to migrate to western nations,,all I see in the news is muzlims killing muzlims and terrorizing the world,
ISLAM can go to HELL when it belongs
ISLAM is a nasty cult and should not be allowed to migrate to western nations,,all I see in the news is muzlims killing muzlims and terrorizing the world,
ISLAM can go to HELL when it belongs
Posted by: ProudKaffir at April 27, 2005 11:57 PM (xgZf0)
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How come no one mentioned that the killers were found, and that they were NOT jihadi Muslims as many people have claimed them to be in this forum.
why wasn't anyone jumping at posting the latest info about the case? i thought you were all curious about what happened. It seems to me that people just had fun blaming Muslims. I guess its easier to do the wrong thing, and harder to do the right thing. many accused innocent ppl out of their hatred, while once the guilty were proven innocent, many were too arrogant to admit they were wrong. If I were you guys, I would really think twice about who is blinded by hate.
Dare I mention that these killers were Christians?
Yup truth hurts.
why wasn't anyone jumping at posting the latest info about the case? i thought you were all curious about what happened. It seems to me that people just had fun blaming Muslims. I guess its easier to do the wrong thing, and harder to do the right thing. many accused innocent ppl out of their hatred, while once the guilty were proven innocent, many were too arrogant to admit they were wrong. If I were you guys, I would really think twice about who is blinded by hate.
Dare I mention that these killers were Christians?
Yup truth hurts.
Posted by: Someone at April 28, 2005 11:23 PM (ywZa8)
November 11, 2004
Romanian Judge Stars in Porn
Sometimes the snide remarks just come too fast to process through your brain and to your fingertips. Too.... many... one... liners..... can't... get... brain... to... focus... Ok, it's been a long day and this was just too funny to pass up.
Sometimes the snide remarks just come too fast to process through your brain and to your fingertips. Too.... many... one... liners..... can't... get... brain... to... focus... Ok, it's been a long day and this was just too funny to pass up.CNN (via Simon who says It gives new meaning to "All rise"):
A Romanian judge has quit after being accused of starring in an X-rated video, officials said.Warning: Pics below are SFW, but not very attractive....... more...Simona Lungu, 36, a judge at the Bucharest Tribunal, was investigated by judicial authorities over allegations that she acted in an adult video that was sold in Denmark.
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It's obvious she doesn't get many requests from men who want her to "bang their gavel".
Posted by: Kari Holtz at November 11, 2004 04:11 PM (6hkGj)
Posted by: Laura at November 11, 2004 04:16 PM (ptOpl)
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It... it's like... Anti-Porn... so ugly, it makes you want to novocaine your schminke just so there's no chance in hell of it going in there....
Posted by: Brian B at November 11, 2004 07:13 PM (CouWh)
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I agree. They should show this in all those sex ed class. Right after the herpes film.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at November 11, 2004 08:59 PM (JQjhA)
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holy crap.
this is certainly one judge with a poor sense of judgement...
i'm certain the Democrats in the Senate would vote to confirm her if she desired a seat on the US Supreme Court.
this is certainly one judge with a poor sense of judgement...
i'm certain the Democrats in the Senate would vote to confirm her if she desired a seat on the US Supreme Court.
Posted by: merc at November 11, 2004 10:14 PM (KttbY)
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THIS ONE IS DEFINETLEY WHAT
IS TECHNICALY CALLED A TWO BAGGER.
For thick fuckers that means you have
to put one bag on her head and one on
yours just in case the bag on her head
falls off!
IS TECHNICALY CALLED A TWO BAGGER.
For thick fuckers that means you have
to put one bag on her head and one on
yours just in case the bag on her head
falls off!
Posted by: wekno at November 13, 2004 07:42 PM (qT5JI)
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To all those doods out there married
to their hand.Well you know that chick
youve been drooling over all these years?
This is what she looks like with no slap!
Live and learn.
Live and learn.
to their hand.Well you know that chick
youve been drooling over all these years?
This is what she looks like with no slap!
Live and learn.
Live and learn.
Posted by: wekno at November 13, 2004 07:53 PM (qT5JI)
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That woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die
Posted by: magna rx at April 04, 2005 12:55 PM (hO8X+)
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billydriverseducing
Posted by: gusto at May 25, 2005 11:53 AM (Y7dVX)
November 10, 2004
George Lucas, I am your biyatch!
Dear George Lucas,
I just got through watching the trailor for Star Wars, Episode III: Revenge of the Sith, and although I am not gay I would gladly let you have me now if you were so inclined. I must admit that I was bracing myself for the worst when I clicked View Theater Trailor, but something began to tingle in me, it was something primal, when the first voice I heard was that of Alec Guiness....... If the movie is half as good as the trailor, I will personally buy the KY. I'm yours. You're the pitcher and I'm the catcher.
I just got through watching the trailor for Star Wars, Episode III: Revenge of the Sith, and although I am not gay I would gladly let you have me now if you were so inclined. I must admit that I was bracing myself for the worst when I clicked View Theater Trailor, but something began to tingle in me, it was something primal, when the first voice I heard was that of Alec Guiness....... If the movie is half as good as the trailor, I will personally buy the KY. I'm yours. You're the pitcher and I'm the catcher.
Does this make me gay? No, but like Gary I am willing to take one for the team. more...
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Posted by: Lune at November 10, 2004 04:42 PM (Yh6ma)
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Hey, Rusty! If you click this link you can come and enjoy this great intervention - I mean, party! Definitely a party, and NOT an intervention - that I'm throwing.
BIG party. Lots of fun and games.
Just forget that I ever used the word "intervention." I don't how it slipped out.
Yup.
Just a big ol' party.
BIG party. Lots of fun and games.
Just forget that I ever used the word "intervention." I don't how it slipped out.
Yup.
Just a big ol' party.
Posted by: ccwbass at November 10, 2004 05:28 PM (APivA)
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Well, ccwbass goes a littler farther than I would have, but all I can say is I'm expecting this one to TOTALLY SUCK, too.
Why? DID YOU SEE THE FIRST F***ING TWO EPISODES??!!!
I mean, Jar-Jar Binks? WTF was that?!
Why? DID YOU SEE THE FIRST F***ING TWO EPISODES??!!!
I mean, Jar-Jar Binks? WTF was that?!
Posted by: Editor at November 10, 2004 06:35 PM (adpJH)
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Lucas did much better without advanced computer graphics. That just lets him do REALLY stupid things. Sorry, I was bored silly by the two recent movies, and don't expect any better from this one. Eye candy is like TV violence: I've seen so much of it, I find it dull now UNLESS there is a good story behind it. There were so many silly bits in the last movie I never could get into it.
I may get around to seeing the next one on DVD sometime.
I may get around to seeing the next one on DVD sometime.
Posted by: VR at November 10, 2004 07:31 PM (3T5B5)
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I just hope it's better than episode two as that was the worst film I have ever seen. Lucas is no director.
Posted by: Matt Bing at November 11, 2004 03:42 AM (ccz95)
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Hey now! Everyone needs to BACK OFF! That trailer gives me chills! CHILLS! I'm with you Rusty. It's all about having faith in the Force. And I have to say that Hayden Christensen, wussy Skywalker boy that he is, is looking mighty fine and EVIL.
And while I could go on and on about how Ewan just nails Obi Wan (it's like watching a young Alec, I tell you!) I'll just say that he is HOT and leave it at that.
And while I could go on and on about how Ewan just nails Obi Wan (it's like watching a young Alec, I tell you!) I'll just say that he is HOT and leave it at that.
Posted by: Maureen at November 11, 2004 04:36 PM (ny5O/)
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Three things.
1. Yoda, tossing his duster back to show his litesabre.
2. Amidala with the Leah Donut-do.
3. Wookies. Lots and lots of Wookies.
How can you go wrong with that many Wookies?
I'm with Rusty on this one.
1. Yoda, tossing his duster back to show his litesabre.
2. Amidala with the Leah Donut-do.
3. Wookies. Lots and lots of Wookies.
How can you go wrong with that many Wookies?
I'm with Rusty on this one.
Posted by: Kin at November 24, 2004 06:03 AM (ZQldT)
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well all i got to say on this matter is all 5 star wars films have been outstanding, i dissagree that george did better without all the enhanced effects, i think they make the films better. i dunno whats up with all the gay remarks..... you can keep them.... i saw the episode3 trailer and it sent tingles up my spine, i personaly cant wait, plus it comes out on my birthday so thats just an added incentive. anyone who dissagrees that all the star wars films are quality deserves to be kicked.... very hard...... in the balls. gearge you are a genious.
Posted by: morientes at December 12, 2004 07:15 AM (htmLk)
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Fisrt off I'd just like to agree with two things, episode 3 looks like it's going to be the best one yet (for the prequels) I mean come on! General Grievous alone looks like a good reason to watch ROTS, I just hope they can pull it off with the graphics and fight choreography. The second thing I'd like to agree with is Jar-Jar Binks, he is so unnecessary! some random jedi should come out of nowhere and chop him up with a lightsaber in epi. 3 just because he's annoying. I myself saw the trailer but it came in poorly but from what i saw it looked good... better than the last 2! but i will give props for the duel of the fates scene in episode 1. CANT WAIT FOR EPISODE 3
Posted by: ??? at December 16, 2004 03:25 PM (dPHPd)
For Some, Not So Good
by Demosophist
The following post by a friend from the UK helped me cope with the fact that there are people at the BBC who've apparently taken the liberty of producing a three part series promoting the idea that Totalitarianism 3.x is just (to use a phrase from Ebeneezer Scrooge): "a piece of over-ripe potato." My friend's post proves that some Englishmen haven't bothered to master the dexterity that must be required to poke their heads up their @$$es without wrinkling their ears: more...
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Rusty, you should watch it, you might learn something. Or are your views on terrorism and Islam so distorted that you cant countenance the idea that somebody elses views might negate yours?
Posted by: James at November 10, 2004 03:39 AM (4PPsx)
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The three part programme was a real eye opener and a few more americans ought to take the time to watch it. George Bush paints the world in such a black and white way, good v evil, but it isn't as simple as that and nowhere near as scarey.
Posted by: Matt Bing at November 10, 2004 03:39 AM (ccz95)
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Indeed the "The Power of Nightmares" programmes are indeed 'real eye openers' from which to 'learn something'.
It's eye opening that the editorial chain chain at the BBC should comission, produce, and pass for transmission, such a pile of rubbish.
Attempting to portray the neo-conservatives as analogous to the jihadi islamists is either hilarious or libellous, I can't decide which.
Leo Strauss as an analogue for Sayed Quttub. Ludicrous.
The programme also manages to hopelessly mangle much of the history of the Reagan confrontation with the USSR.
Then it goes on having 'proved' the existence of a neo-con campaign to change America, to declare that for this purpose it has invented Al Qaeda as an international organisation.
Anyone who knows anything about it knows Al Qaeda has always been a 'network of networks', providing services and support to like-minded local groups, and blurring into them in carrying out operations.
But to deny, on this basis, that jihadi islamist terrorism exist, and at least before the recent US counter-offensive, was growing, is crazy.
In short, the producers erect their OWN nightmare, the conspiracy theory of the neo-con boogymen, in order to play down real threats and problems that imperil their own dream.
It's eye opening that the editorial chain chain at the BBC should comission, produce, and pass for transmission, such a pile of rubbish.
Attempting to portray the neo-conservatives as analogous to the jihadi islamists is either hilarious or libellous, I can't decide which.
Leo Strauss as an analogue for Sayed Quttub. Ludicrous.
The programme also manages to hopelessly mangle much of the history of the Reagan confrontation with the USSR.
Then it goes on having 'proved' the existence of a neo-con campaign to change America, to declare that for this purpose it has invented Al Qaeda as an international organisation.
Anyone who knows anything about it knows Al Qaeda has always been a 'network of networks', providing services and support to like-minded local groups, and blurring into them in carrying out operations.
But to deny, on this basis, that jihadi islamist terrorism exist, and at least before the recent US counter-offensive, was growing, is crazy.
In short, the producers erect their OWN nightmare, the conspiracy theory of the neo-con boogymen, in order to play down real threats and problems that imperil their own dream.
Posted by: John F at November 10, 2004 08:42 AM (5cvA7)
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Raving sophisticated sophistry - it's all more marxist illusionary revisionism.
Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at November 10, 2004 11:28 AM (04TFv)
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The BBC series, from the reports about it I've read, tiptoes so closely to the line of anti-Semitism that the line might as well not exist. But the BBC attitude toward the US is well-rehearsed.
Part of their problem is that like American reporters in Iraq, they don't get out to the hinterlands. BBC has correspondents in NY (mostly for the UN), in Washington, and in Hollywood. That pretty much tells it all. When they do go out of the city, it's always something "cute" on a farm, with SO of chirping crickets and lowing cattle. At least Alistair Cooke got out there for his "Letters from America" which were fair and informative.
Part of their problem is that like American reporters in Iraq, they don't get out to the hinterlands. BBC has correspondents in NY (mostly for the UN), in Washington, and in Hollywood. That pretty much tells it all. When they do go out of the city, it's always something "cute" on a farm, with SO of chirping crickets and lowing cattle. At least Alistair Cooke got out there for his "Letters from America" which were fair and informative.
Posted by: John at November 10, 2004 11:40 AM (OmbAg)
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Guys:
Thanks for the comments, but this wasn't posted by Rusty so don't blame him. We have a technical problem in the author designation, but I've indicated in two places on the post that this was submitted by Demosophist. As to whether either I or Rusty have anything to learn here, I guess I'd ask if anyone knows what a "toff" or a "sab" are? I figure the first is probably an elitist, and the second is some derogatory racial reference to people of swarthy hue... but again, I don't really know.
Beyond that, I just look at the BBC as an institutionalized version of Michael Moore squeezing out propaganda like... well, whatever squeezes out of a smallish expandable hole. "Rubbish" is too polite a term.
Thanks for the comments, but this wasn't posted by Rusty so don't blame him. We have a technical problem in the author designation, but I've indicated in two places on the post that this was submitted by Demosophist. As to whether either I or Rusty have anything to learn here, I guess I'd ask if anyone knows what a "toff" or a "sab" are? I figure the first is probably an elitist, and the second is some derogatory racial reference to people of swarthy hue... but again, I don't really know.
Beyond that, I just look at the BBC as an institutionalized version of Michael Moore squeezing out propaganda like... well, whatever squeezes out of a smallish expandable hole. "Rubbish" is too polite a term.
Posted by: Demosophist at November 10, 2004 03:24 PM (OtR16)
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Your questions to "Ask a Brit" shall be answered!
Toff - upper class (originally implying elegance and/or foppishness, but not necessarily nowadays).
Sab - hunt saboteur; specifically, of fox and stag hunting on horses with hounds. Swarthiness not an issue.
Toff - upper class (originally implying elegance and/or foppishness, but not necessarily nowadays).
Sab - hunt saboteur; specifically, of fox and stag hunting on horses with hounds. Swarthiness not an issue.
Posted by: John F at November 11, 2004 03:23 AM (5cvA7)
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The problem with the bbc is that they don't produce programmes which suit your view of the world. Anything that portrays the USA as anything but the saviours of the world is deemed rubbish.
Posted by: Matt Bing at November 11, 2004 03:46 AM (ccz95)
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Demosophist......lovely name. Do your parents have a special sense of humour or is it a nom de plume that you created in a moment of immense confusion?
The BBC is far from perfect but to compare its current affairs programmes to the productions of Michael Moore clearly demonstrates an inability to distinguish fact from fiction. To castigate them further using execrable language makes me wonder if you have just jumped on the bandwagon with those who view anything which is remotely critical of the United States foreign policies as "America Haters" and terrorist collaborators.
Presumably you have not seen the programme as is the case with John and Keith in mtn. I would suggest that you watch it. John's comment that the programme is Anti Semetic is ill informed garbage. Again being critical of Israel does not make one an anti Semite.
I have lived in the States for 2 years, Chicago in fact, great place and some of the nicest people you could ever hope to meet. The only thing that really shocked me, was people's ignorance of what was going on in the world. And these people were professionals, doctors, traders lawyers policemen. But then it occured to me that American news stations gave very little coverage to what was going on in the world with the exception of CNN, and Fox,to a lesser degree. Now since 9/11 everybody seems to be an expert on all things foreign. Fortunately for me I was able to get a copy of the Daily Telegraph (a quality UK publication) and the Irish Times (a quality newspaper from Ireland, a small island west of Britain in the Atlantic for those of you who dont know where it is on a map)
Why, even your good self seems to be very well informed. I just wonder where you get your news from? Mainstream media or msm as it is referred to now? Of course you do, unless you have your own people on the ground giving you the facts/stories as they happen. Or perhaps you have a Reuters terminal, maybe one from PA or do you use Bloomberg? Or do you search the net, a much cheaper alternative to the above. Regardless of where you get it, you twist it,turn it, spin it to suit your own political agenda as does the BBC or any other news organisation. You compare the BBC's output to shit, the fact is you are talking out your arse, ass if you prefer.
One last thing, as a self proclaimed expert on all things foreign I would have thought a man(perhaps you are a woman, no offence intended regadless of your gender) as well informed as yourself would have known the difference between a toff and a sab. I didn't understand the remark at all in any context and a friend who is an English teacher could make head nor tail of it either, that is, neither of have a clue what you are talking about! Perhaps you would share your reasons for wanting to know the difference and also what it has to do with the current topic of debate. Best regards and apologies to Rusty for having assumed that he wrote the piece.
The BBC is far from perfect but to compare its current affairs programmes to the productions of Michael Moore clearly demonstrates an inability to distinguish fact from fiction. To castigate them further using execrable language makes me wonder if you have just jumped on the bandwagon with those who view anything which is remotely critical of the United States foreign policies as "America Haters" and terrorist collaborators.
Presumably you have not seen the programme as is the case with John and Keith in mtn. I would suggest that you watch it. John's comment that the programme is Anti Semetic is ill informed garbage. Again being critical of Israel does not make one an anti Semite.
I have lived in the States for 2 years, Chicago in fact, great place and some of the nicest people you could ever hope to meet. The only thing that really shocked me, was people's ignorance of what was going on in the world. And these people were professionals, doctors, traders lawyers policemen. But then it occured to me that American news stations gave very little coverage to what was going on in the world with the exception of CNN, and Fox,to a lesser degree. Now since 9/11 everybody seems to be an expert on all things foreign. Fortunately for me I was able to get a copy of the Daily Telegraph (a quality UK publication) and the Irish Times (a quality newspaper from Ireland, a small island west of Britain in the Atlantic for those of you who dont know where it is on a map)
Why, even your good self seems to be very well informed. I just wonder where you get your news from? Mainstream media or msm as it is referred to now? Of course you do, unless you have your own people on the ground giving you the facts/stories as they happen. Or perhaps you have a Reuters terminal, maybe one from PA or do you use Bloomberg? Or do you search the net, a much cheaper alternative to the above. Regardless of where you get it, you twist it,turn it, spin it to suit your own political agenda as does the BBC or any other news organisation. You compare the BBC's output to shit, the fact is you are talking out your arse, ass if you prefer.
One last thing, as a self proclaimed expert on all things foreign I would have thought a man(perhaps you are a woman, no offence intended regadless of your gender) as well informed as yourself would have known the difference between a toff and a sab. I didn't understand the remark at all in any context and a friend who is an English teacher could make head nor tail of it either, that is, neither of have a clue what you are talking about! Perhaps you would share your reasons for wanting to know the difference and also what it has to do with the current topic of debate. Best regards and apologies to Rusty for having assumed that he wrote the piece.
Posted by: James at November 11, 2004 05:29 AM (4PPsx)
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I could not have put it any better...Well said James
Posted by: Rod at November 11, 2004 06:32 AM (2anKB)
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James:
I have seen the programme.
(Or parts at least; I periodically got too fed up with the waste of time and wandered off.)
It's a pile of rubbish.
I wouldn't have said it was antisemitic. Though a lot of loons peddle the "evil neo-Cons = Jooos!" crap, seems to me the programme the neo-cons as wicked, but not on the basis of their Jewishness. I'd let them off that one.
But it is nonetheless a moronic piece of conspiracy-theory barely one step up from "aliens killed JFK".
I have seen the programme.
(Or parts at least; I periodically got too fed up with the waste of time and wandered off.)
It's a pile of rubbish.
I wouldn't have said it was antisemitic. Though a lot of loons peddle the "evil neo-Cons = Jooos!" crap, seems to me the programme the neo-cons as wicked, but not on the basis of their Jewishness. I'd let them off that one.
But it is nonetheless a moronic piece of conspiracy-theory barely one step up from "aliens killed JFK".
Posted by: John F at November 11, 2004 08:58 AM (5cvA7)
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John F.....I don't buy the neo-con conspiracy rubbish. But I do think that there is "something rotten in the state of Denmark" with regards to America's decision to invade Iraq. It's as though the invasion had been planned as part of Bush's electoral campaign. The programme does raise some serious questions about the wests foreign policy towards the middle east. Demosophist's condemnation of the programme before having viewed it and comparing it to a Michael Moore production is pure folly. Now I am just waiting for a diatribe from morons, whom I shall not mention, asking "what has Denmark got to do with it"?!!!!!!!
Posted by: James at November 11, 2004 09:21 AM (4PPsx)
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Baghdad Broadcasting Corporation=BBC
Posted by: karl at November 13, 2004 05:46 AM (PM/BC)
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Good one, karl!
Posted by: Laura at November 13, 2004 09:17 AM (ptOpl)
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James:
Though I can't see that you've said anything that isn't naked, and mostly ignorant, ad hominem, more or less on par with "blow it out your ass" spiced with a quasi-intellectual stab at irony, I'll try to respond. I understand that the BBC has made conspiracy thinking in England more or less mainstream, but that doesn't make it sane. I would have no problem with the BBC saying anything it has half a mind to say (and that's about all its thesis requires) were the outlet not government subsidized. Not only does that fact relieve it of certain market pressures that would otherwise combat an institutionalized flabbiness, but it gives their garbage undeserved and unearned credibility (not unlike the false credibility given much of the Middle Eastern government subsidized press.)
The central "neocon" thesis is a pretty simple one: that expansion of the democratic franchise will make the world safer in the long run (though perhaps more volatile in the short run). I fail to see that you're even aware of an alternative, let along that you're presenting one with any responsibility. It seems to me that this leaves you with only one recourse: to spin conspiracies founded (however subtly) on political paranoia.
Well, it's the opposite of wisdom, is all I'm sayin'. The opposite of Demosophia. It is the ignorance and foolishness of a spoiled elitist faction given far more credibility than their station merits. Thanks for providing the cautionary tale.
Though I can't see that you've said anything that isn't naked, and mostly ignorant, ad hominem, more or less on par with "blow it out your ass" spiced with a quasi-intellectual stab at irony, I'll try to respond. I understand that the BBC has made conspiracy thinking in England more or less mainstream, but that doesn't make it sane. I would have no problem with the BBC saying anything it has half a mind to say (and that's about all its thesis requires) were the outlet not government subsidized. Not only does that fact relieve it of certain market pressures that would otherwise combat an institutionalized flabbiness, but it gives their garbage undeserved and unearned credibility (not unlike the false credibility given much of the Middle Eastern government subsidized press.)
The central "neocon" thesis is a pretty simple one: that expansion of the democratic franchise will make the world safer in the long run (though perhaps more volatile in the short run). I fail to see that you're even aware of an alternative, let along that you're presenting one with any responsibility. It seems to me that this leaves you with only one recourse: to spin conspiracies founded (however subtly) on political paranoia.
Well, it's the opposite of wisdom, is all I'm sayin'. The opposite of Demosophia. It is the ignorance and foolishness of a spoiled elitist faction given far more credibility than their station merits. Thanks for providing the cautionary tale.
Posted by: Demosophist at November 16, 2004 10:10 AM (OtR16)
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Demosophist...
Thank you for the response, even if it has taken you a week. I was expecting something with a little meat to it, something that I could actually get my teeth into.
You are right about one thing though, the BBC is a publicly funded organisation. There are pros and cons to this but to suggest that it a mouthpiece for the government is widely off the mark. The BBC has questioned the government intensively over its position on the war. The fact that it has not followed the government's line does give it some degree of credibility. Having worked in the States I can tell you that there is not one news channel in the US which comes even close to providing the kind of professional service that the BBC does. This is not one up manship, it is fact and being Australian I can assure you that I have no motive to favour one over the other. It is content and output at the end of the day.
I am not aware of any personal attacks, poking a little fun at your name and tearing your arguments apart does not amount to "ad hominem". If someone refutes your argument, do not take it personally for it is the issue at stake that matters. If I read something which I deem to be bullshit, then I will let you know, such as in this case.
Also, I asked you where you got your news from? But a yet you have not answered! Are you a journalist, amateur hack? Surely you should question your government's motives rather than accepting everything they tell you as verbatim. I have a little latin as well, not much but some. Perhaps we could spice things up and debate in french or German comme tu preferes! Be careful of whom you accuse of making "quasi intellectual stabs" when you put yourself forward they way you do, because believe me it wouldn't take long cutting you down to size.
Thank you for the response, even if it has taken you a week. I was expecting something with a little meat to it, something that I could actually get my teeth into.
You are right about one thing though, the BBC is a publicly funded organisation. There are pros and cons to this but to suggest that it a mouthpiece for the government is widely off the mark. The BBC has questioned the government intensively over its position on the war. The fact that it has not followed the government's line does give it some degree of credibility. Having worked in the States I can tell you that there is not one news channel in the US which comes even close to providing the kind of professional service that the BBC does. This is not one up manship, it is fact and being Australian I can assure you that I have no motive to favour one over the other. It is content and output at the end of the day.
I am not aware of any personal attacks, poking a little fun at your name and tearing your arguments apart does not amount to "ad hominem". If someone refutes your argument, do not take it personally for it is the issue at stake that matters. If I read something which I deem to be bullshit, then I will let you know, such as in this case.
Also, I asked you where you got your news from? But a yet you have not answered! Are you a journalist, amateur hack? Surely you should question your government's motives rather than accepting everything they tell you as verbatim. I have a little latin as well, not much but some. Perhaps we could spice things up and debate in french or German comme tu preferes! Be careful of whom you accuse of making "quasi intellectual stabs" when you put yourself forward they way you do, because believe me it wouldn't take long cutting you down to size.
Posted by: James at November 17, 2004 10:48 AM (4PPsx)
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You are right about one thing though, the BBC is a publicly funded organisation. There are pros and cons to this but to suggest that it a mouthpiece for the government is widely off the mark.
I said they're a mouthpiece for the institutionalized left, not "the government," (although they are reliably "statist") to whom they're currently opposed. The fact that you don't grasp that rather obvious distinction tells me you aren't really "in the game."
I am not aware of any personal attacks, poking a little fun at your name and tearing your arguments apart does not amount to "ad hominem".
You haven't even addressed my arguments, let alone torn any apart. Basically what you've done is pretty much what your beloved BBC does. That is it simply effects an air of rhetorical superiority and assumes that's an argument. It's what all ancien regimes do, from the lofty perch of their fantasy world.
One last thing, as a self proclaimed expert on all things foreign I would have thought a man(perhaps you are a woman, no offence intended regadless of your gender) as well informed as yourself would have known the difference between a toff and a sab. I didn't understand the remark at all in any context and a friend who is an English teacher could make head nor tail of it either, that is, neither of have a clue what you are talking about!
Well, I haven't proclaimed m'self an "expert on all things foreign." But beyond that I can't parse your language, so perhaps you should consult your english teacher again. You seem to be ambiguously saying that you understand that statement (you could make head nor tail of it," whatever that means), and you also seem to think I wrote it, in spite of the fact that I make it rather clear that I'm quoting a friend.
I expect what he's saying is that your run-a-the-mill leftist is both an elitist and a hypocrite about the very values that he/she loftily recommends to others. But his statement didn't make that point with nearly as much dramatic clarity as have you.
Be careful of whom you accuse of making "quasi intellectual stabs" when you put yourself forward they way you do, because believe me it wouldn't take long cutting you down to size.
Heh. I'm not even sure they rise to the "quasi-intellectual" level. More like quasi-arguments. I get my news from a variety of sources, right across the spectrum. The difference is that I don't give the statist sources (CBC, BBC, and some of the Arab press) as much credibility as they seem to believe they merit. And they've become so predictable that watching them is an exercise in staying awake.
By virtue of Tim Groseclose's Hoover media study we know that the average mainstream US media outlet is approximately a standard deviation to the left of the average American viewer (by two different but analogous independent metrics similar to the ADA scale). This, while Fox Special Report and Drudge come out less than a half a standard deviation to the right of the average viewer. Now, that tells me that if you genuinely want to cultivate an unbiased perspective relative to an American audience you ought to be watching about twice as much Fox as CBS.
And the various defamatory state medias, like the BBC, just have a certain novelty value... like watching a slow motion train wreck.
But the truth is, I get more and more of my news from the internet, especially regarding what's happening "on the ground" in Iraq, where BEEB reporters never tread in any case. There are numerous "milblogs" that include both direct accounts from the field as well as coherent discussion of strategy. I often wonder how one could possibly figure out what's going on in Iraq without reading The Belmont Club. You'd obviously assume things were going to hell in a handbasket if all you saw were MSM accounts. The notion that there are a series of towns stretching to the Syrian border that might represent the supply lines of the "insurgency" would simply shock the average BEEB viewer, becaues it suggests that the Coalition is actually using a coherent strategy to militarily destroy the enemy. And we all know, by definition, that can't happen. Why history tells us that such feats haven't been possible for 2500 years, if at all. (Or was that the conquest of Afghanistan?)
Have you forgotten all the ominous hand-wringing that went on prior to that invasion? Well, that's human nature, I guess.
You guys are a hoot. Seriously. Now tell me again what an intellectual giant you are, compared to the rest of us meeses. I need a knee-slapper while I'm drinking my morning coffee and mate, in my neon PJs.
I said they're a mouthpiece for the institutionalized left, not "the government," (although they are reliably "statist") to whom they're currently opposed. The fact that you don't grasp that rather obvious distinction tells me you aren't really "in the game."
I am not aware of any personal attacks, poking a little fun at your name and tearing your arguments apart does not amount to "ad hominem".
You haven't even addressed my arguments, let alone torn any apart. Basically what you've done is pretty much what your beloved BBC does. That is it simply effects an air of rhetorical superiority and assumes that's an argument. It's what all ancien regimes do, from the lofty perch of their fantasy world.
One last thing, as a self proclaimed expert on all things foreign I would have thought a man(perhaps you are a woman, no offence intended regadless of your gender) as well informed as yourself would have known the difference between a toff and a sab. I didn't understand the remark at all in any context and a friend who is an English teacher could make head nor tail of it either, that is, neither of have a clue what you are talking about!
Well, I haven't proclaimed m'self an "expert on all things foreign." But beyond that I can't parse your language, so perhaps you should consult your english teacher again. You seem to be ambiguously saying that you understand that statement (you could make head nor tail of it," whatever that means), and you also seem to think I wrote it, in spite of the fact that I make it rather clear that I'm quoting a friend.
I expect what he's saying is that your run-a-the-mill leftist is both an elitist and a hypocrite about the very values that he/she loftily recommends to others. But his statement didn't make that point with nearly as much dramatic clarity as have you.
Be careful of whom you accuse of making "quasi intellectual stabs" when you put yourself forward they way you do, because believe me it wouldn't take long cutting you down to size.
Heh. I'm not even sure they rise to the "quasi-intellectual" level. More like quasi-arguments. I get my news from a variety of sources, right across the spectrum. The difference is that I don't give the statist sources (CBC, BBC, and some of the Arab press) as much credibility as they seem to believe they merit. And they've become so predictable that watching them is an exercise in staying awake.
By virtue of Tim Groseclose's Hoover media study we know that the average mainstream US media outlet is approximately a standard deviation to the left of the average American viewer (by two different but analogous independent metrics similar to the ADA scale). This, while Fox Special Report and Drudge come out less than a half a standard deviation to the right of the average viewer. Now, that tells me that if you genuinely want to cultivate an unbiased perspective relative to an American audience you ought to be watching about twice as much Fox as CBS.
And the various defamatory state medias, like the BBC, just have a certain novelty value... like watching a slow motion train wreck.
But the truth is, I get more and more of my news from the internet, especially regarding what's happening "on the ground" in Iraq, where BEEB reporters never tread in any case. There are numerous "milblogs" that include both direct accounts from the field as well as coherent discussion of strategy. I often wonder how one could possibly figure out what's going on in Iraq without reading The Belmont Club. You'd obviously assume things were going to hell in a handbasket if all you saw were MSM accounts. The notion that there are a series of towns stretching to the Syrian border that might represent the supply lines of the "insurgency" would simply shock the average BEEB viewer, becaues it suggests that the Coalition is actually using a coherent strategy to militarily destroy the enemy. And we all know, by definition, that can't happen. Why history tells us that such feats haven't been possible for 2500 years, if at all. (Or was that the conquest of Afghanistan?)
Have you forgotten all the ominous hand-wringing that went on prior to that invasion? Well, that's human nature, I guess.
You guys are a hoot. Seriously. Now tell me again what an intellectual giant you are, compared to the rest of us meeses. I need a knee-slapper while I'm drinking my morning coffee and mate, in my neon PJs.
Posted by: Demosophist at November 19, 2004 08:40 AM (OtR16)
November 06, 2004
Kenny Revealed
by Demosophist
He'll be baaack.
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I *still* say he looks like Papa Smurf in that outfit!
Did you hear he wants to be buried in Jerusalem?
Did you hear he wants to be buried in Jerusalem?
Posted by: Ricky V at November 06, 2004 01:00 AM (9BReq)
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That'll go over big.
Posted by: Dick at November 06, 2004 08:16 AM (hu9UN)
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I like the Beastie Boys rap artist winter cap on his head. Now just give him an Adidas jogging suit, gold chains, and gold teeth to complete the look. Anyways, take a look at this article. http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/africa/11/06/ivorycoast.ap/index.html It's hypocritical for the French to criticize us about occupying Iraq, when they're occupying the Ivory Coast. Of course, they call it peacekeeping, not occupation.
Posted by: Sons of Liberty at November 06, 2004 03:46 PM (prqzI)
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I heard on the news that his ass, let alone the rest of him, will not be welcome in Jerusalem.
Posted by: Laura at November 06, 2004 06:48 PM (ptOpl)
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Does anyone else have the feeling that Araft is channelling Monty Python?
(heard in the background....) "I'm not dead yet!"
(cross commented on Wizbang - but it was too good to resist! *grin*)
(heard in the background....) "I'm not dead yet!"
(cross commented on Wizbang - but it was too good to resist! *grin*)
Posted by: Romeocat at November 07, 2004 08:13 AM (543Fo)
Posted by: Laura at November 07, 2004 11:47 AM (ptOpl)
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If he dies . . There'll be a bloodbath in Palestine!
If he survives . . There'll be a bloodbath in Palestine!
So what's new?
If he survives . . There'll be a bloodbath in Palestine!
So what's new?
Posted by: la at November 07, 2004 12:41 PM (VRK2g)
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They now reported he's got liver failure. Won't be long now. Wonder why the press kept saying he wasn't in a coma? He's not stable, he's fucking dying.
Posted by: Laura at November 07, 2004 03:59 PM (ptOpl)
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Hey RUSTY AND ASSOC: We need something about the French who are presently invading a foreign country without permission from the UN. Ha, Ha. Their invasion of the Ivory Coast is Illegal. Heh, heh. Hundreds of thousands of innocent muslims are being terrorized. Ha, Ha, ho, ho. The frogs have destroyed the Ivory Coast airforce. The people are rising to fight them. Ha, ha, ha. This is an unjust war. The french had no reason to invade this country. They're only after the Cocoa which they intend to sell to French corporations so Chirac can get a cut. Ha, Ha, THIS WAR IS ILLEGAL: Vote for Kerry and he will talk to the guys with the machetes yelling kill the whites. The world is not safe because the frogs attacked these poor innocent people.Ho, ho, ha, ha, he, he. The hundreds of thousands now in the streets killing, robbing and burning are a small minority. Ha, ha, ha.
Americans we must all learn froggy and get on their blogs and tell them how stupid and corrupt their leaders are. Ha, he, ho, ho. All the french being killed deserve what they get. They shouldn't be there so if their women get violated and their children and men get hacked to death its all their fault. Or so it goes.
OR MAYBE IT'S BUSH'S FAULT. You can't trust them cowboy Texans. Their trying to control all the Cocoa in the world.
Maybe there is a God.
Americans we must all learn froggy and get on their blogs and tell them how stupid and corrupt their leaders are. Ha, he, ho, ho. All the french being killed deserve what they get. They shouldn't be there so if their women get violated and their children and men get hacked to death its all their fault. Or so it goes.
OR MAYBE IT'S BUSH'S FAULT. You can't trust them cowboy Texans. Their trying to control all the Cocoa in the world.
Maybe there is a God.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 07, 2004 05:06 PM (qxfuv)
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Oh yea: I forgot. The Ivory Coast was never a threat to the frog pond.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 07, 2004 05:29 PM (qxfuv)
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LOL, Roost! Hey, what about that guy who committed suicide at Ground Zero? He was protesting Bush's re-election. His mother said he was depressed about the elections and drove from their home in GA to NYC. Guy was only 25, and was gonna get married.
What a waste!
In other news, I see that Iraq's declared a 60 day martial law. Bush ain't wastin' no time, is he?
Rooster, go look at what Kathleen wrote on the old Ken Bigley blog. I want to ream her ass for it, but am carefully thinking what I want to say. Another one pissed off Kerry lost,.
And will someone please tell me WHY Arafart won that Peace Prize????
What a waste!
In other news, I see that Iraq's declared a 60 day martial law. Bush ain't wastin' no time, is he?
Rooster, go look at what Kathleen wrote on the old Ken Bigley blog. I want to ream her ass for it, but am carefully thinking what I want to say. Another one pissed off Kerry lost,.
And will someone please tell me WHY Arafart won that Peace Prize????
Posted by: Laura at November 07, 2004 05:39 PM (ptOpl)
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What a shame. He could have died with honor saving another American's life in Iraq. I feel no pity for him. Nor do I choose to give him the 15 minutes the pitiful little shit was asking for.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 07, 2004 06:00 PM (qxfuv)
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It's about time martial law has been declared. I hope the Marines wipe Fallujah off the map. Here's a link for some recent raghead videos of their ambushes. WARNING: VERY GRAPHIC IMAGES
http://www.siteinstitute.org/bin/multimedia.cgi?Category=video&Subcategory=0&sort=newest&Rank=1&Mode=List
Here's another link showing how women feed their insurgent sons and husbands (don't want your insurgent son to fight on an empty stomach).
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4999736/ (click on "Inside the Insurgency").
NEW MARTIAL LAW RULE OF ENGAGEMENT: ALL PEOPLE STANDING NEAR A BOMB SITE (especially with video camera) ARE POTENTIAL SPOTTERS/DETONATORS, GUN THEM DOWN! ALL WOMEN STILL IN FALLUJAH ARE PROVIDING AID AND COMFORT TO INSURGENTS, GUN THEM DOWN! In fact, why bother invading Fallujah, just bomb it to dust. All the "innocents" have fled, leaving behind nothing but hardcore insurgents. Saturate the area with MOAB's instead of those precision bombs. Also, infiltration of Iraqi police and the Iraqi National Guard by insurgent spies is rampant. Terrorists now have police uniforms, Gulf War era "chocolate-chip" uniforms (what the ING are now wearing), and even CURRENT U.S. ARMY tri-color desert uniforms! Just recently, a high ranking Iraqi officer failed to show up for work after attending a debriefing on invasion plans for Fallujah, worrying U.S. commanders. I'm still trying find that article.
http://www.siteinstitute.org/bin/multimedia.cgi?Category=video&Subcategory=0&sort=newest&Rank=1&Mode=List
Here's another link showing how women feed their insurgent sons and husbands (don't want your insurgent son to fight on an empty stomach).
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4999736/ (click on "Inside the Insurgency").
NEW MARTIAL LAW RULE OF ENGAGEMENT: ALL PEOPLE STANDING NEAR A BOMB SITE (especially with video camera) ARE POTENTIAL SPOTTERS/DETONATORS, GUN THEM DOWN! ALL WOMEN STILL IN FALLUJAH ARE PROVIDING AID AND COMFORT TO INSURGENTS, GUN THEM DOWN! In fact, why bother invading Fallujah, just bomb it to dust. All the "innocents" have fled, leaving behind nothing but hardcore insurgents. Saturate the area with MOAB's instead of those precision bombs. Also, infiltration of Iraqi police and the Iraqi National Guard by insurgent spies is rampant. Terrorists now have police uniforms, Gulf War era "chocolate-chip" uniforms (what the ING are now wearing), and even CURRENT U.S. ARMY tri-color desert uniforms! Just recently, a high ranking Iraqi officer failed to show up for work after attending a debriefing on invasion plans for Fallujah, worrying U.S. commanders. I'm still trying find that article.
Posted by: Sons of Liberty at November 07, 2004 06:38 PM (prqzI)
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I wonder if the frogs know that 25% of the population of the Ivory Coast is Sunni Muslim?
Posted by: greyrooster at November 07, 2004 07:31 PM (qxfuv)
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France out of Ivory Coast now! No blood for Ivory!!
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at November 08, 2004 12:18 PM (JQjhA)
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heheheh!!!! Arafart's wife becomes hysterical! Next thing you know, she'll claim someone poisoned his ass.
Posted by: Laura at November 08, 2004 12:34 PM (ptOpl)
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It's not Ivory. It's cocoa. The Ivory Coast is the world's largest exporter of Cocoa. The frogs are trying to control the hot chocolate market. It's a plot to support the terrorists by denying our soldiers chocolate bars in their MREs.
Posted by: greyrooster at November 08, 2004 12:34 PM (aq8Ok)
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Laura,
Arafats ass is poison!
Hes been using it to speak through for the last 40 years.We all know A-rabs and toilets dont go together.Why do you think nothing grows out there!That toe rag purports to be the champion of the Palestinian people when hes done nothing but line his own pockets and those of his large extended family .He's hated just as much as he is loved by his own people.They have no real alternative leader that Israel wont liquidate any way as soon as he is elected.A case of better the devil you do know than the one you dont.
Arafats ass is poison!
Hes been using it to speak through for the last 40 years.We all know A-rabs and toilets dont go together.Why do you think nothing grows out there!That toe rag purports to be the champion of the Palestinian people when hes done nothing but line his own pockets and those of his large extended family .He's hated just as much as he is loved by his own people.They have no real alternative leader that Israel wont liquidate any way as soon as he is elected.A case of better the devil you do know than the one you dont.
Posted by: wekno at November 10, 2004 05:39 AM (qppWD)
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greyrooster
The French do control the chocolate market!
They have a motto in their military too,its for when
your enemy is unrelenting.
When the going gets too tough,
and the tough get going,
use your head,
retreat!
retreat!
retreat!
The French do control the chocolate market!
They have a motto in their military too,its for when
your enemy is unrelenting.
When the going gets too tough,
and the tough get going,
use your head,
retreat!
retreat!
retreat!
Posted by: wekno at November 10, 2004 05:47 AM (qppWD)
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Oh and if there are any Fench people reading this blog,just fuck off will ya!
I've spent some time in your country and I know how anti American you motherfuckers are.
If you dont like us so much why do you have so many Mcdonalds n shit!You want to take from us but at the same time hate us and run us down all the time!Glad you didnt come to Iraq though.
Bad enough having the enemy in front of you,dont need him in your ranks too!
I've spent some time in your country and I know how anti American you motherfuckers are.
If you dont like us so much why do you have so many Mcdonalds n shit!You want to take from us but at the same time hate us and run us down all the time!Glad you didnt come to Iraq though.
Bad enough having the enemy in front of you,dont need him in your ranks too!
Posted by: w at November 10, 2004 05:57 AM (qppWD)
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So the bastard's finally dead! I was watching Fox News when they broke in.
Tell me, what was all the kissing gestures he threw out at the crowds? And why did one of the guys who was holding his hand pull back when he tried to kiss them?
How can someone so evil show such affection? He was even holding up babies and children and kissing them.
He always smiled too.
Rest in Hell, Arafart.
Tell me, what was all the kissing gestures he threw out at the crowds? And why did one of the guys who was holding his hand pull back when he tried to kiss them?
How can someone so evil show such affection? He was even holding up babies and children and kissing them.
He always smiled too.
Rest in Hell, Arafart.
Posted by: Laura at November 11, 2004 07:05 AM (ptOpl)
October 25, 2004
Muslims Massacre 'Zionist' Pigs--literally
This is just too funny to go unnoticed. AP via Robert Spencer:
Muslims armed with machetes attacked several pig farms in Indonesia, slaughtering around 20 swine they claimed were giving of "offensive" odors, The Jakarta Post reported Thursday.Police did nothing to stop the attack Wednesday in South Tatura, central Sulawesi province, the paper reported. The farms belonged to local Christians.
"The farms give out a bad odor and this is offensive, especially during Ramadan," said local Muslim leader Abdul Haris, referring to the Islamic fasting month where religious feelings often run high.
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This is funny. Everybody is out of control!! I'm going to kill that cat across the street cos it keeps shitting on my lawn!! This post has inspired me!! Hold on. Do you think I can blame the muslims for igniting my insanity? Need a response quick before I cool down and start respecting other peoples belongings.
Posted by: LMAO at October 25, 2004 01:15 PM (p5xDI)
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Ah, too bad some of the offensive orders given off weren't coming from any of Zarqawi and his breed! Coulda gotten rid of a lot that way.
Posted by: Laura at October 25, 2004 01:56 PM (ptOpl)
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Muslims smell far worse than pigs. I know I've been aroung both.
Posted by: greyrooster at October 25, 2004 04:07 PM (CBNGy)
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Moral of the story: Save a pig, slaughter a muslim.
Posted by: Ron at October 25, 2004 04:55 PM (Idfw3)
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"Muslims smell far worse than pigs. I know I've been aroung both."
"Moral of the story: Save a pig, slaughter a muslim."
Wow, this is the kind of electorate that "voted" in the current president. Rusty, I love the company you keep - nothing better than having racists in your corner to defend your views, huh? Ah well, misery loves company, right? Idiots.
"Moral of the story: Save a pig, slaughter a muslim."
Wow, this is the kind of electorate that "voted" in the current president. Rusty, I love the company you keep - nothing better than having racists in your corner to defend your views, huh? Ah well, misery loves company, right? Idiots.
Posted by: Venom at October 26, 2004 08:53 AM (dbxVM)
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VEMON: You silly asshole. Muslim haters are racists???? Racists are people that dislike people because of their race. Get it dummy??White, Black, Asian, etc. Calling religion haters racists is typical of the gobble gook that spews from your stupid head. I hate the Islamic religion. I have good reason for hating them. 9/11 and the beheading videos are two reasons. I have many more. As usual you have no stand on anything. You're nothing. Just talk, nothing else. Piss on you.
Posted by: greyrooster at October 29, 2004 02:30 PM (UrAtW)
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(Muslim lunch), hot pile of DOG SHIT, sprinkled with sand and washed down with PIG PISS,
for desert they lick eachothers assholes and daydream of sucking muhammeds cock.Fuckyou Muslim.
for desert they lick eachothers assholes and daydream of sucking muhammeds cock.Fuckyou Muslim.
Posted by: ragheadallah at December 05, 2004 05:56 PM (DYtlX)
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you hate the islamic religion? it doesnt sound like you know much about it you idiot september 11 isnt about islam at all its just a scapegoat for ignorant pieces of human waste such as yourself i hope you and george bush can find an arraingment in which you can both eat shit and die fuckin punk bitch!
Posted by: cam at December 13, 2004 06:56 AM (7d2k/)
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first of all, islam isn't a fucking religion. it's a bunch of ignorant pig-fuckers who follow the rants of a fucking moonbat seventh century diaper sniper. fuck islam and all the subhuman muzzies that follow it.
Posted by: muzziekiller at December 24, 2004 05:45 PM (s364H)
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Those who do not think Islam is evil are idiots..
Those who think 9/11 is not true Islam are the most stupid pigs ever. Please checkout the worldwide celebration of 9/11 among the muslims!
The great clash between camel-fuckers and infidels will come in several decades. In fact we have seen a little preview in Netherlands, where Theo is the martyr of infidels.
When the great clash comes, we, the infidels, should do all we can to kill the camel-fuckers!
Infidels of the world, unite! Kill the camel fuckers!
Those who think 9/11 is not true Islam are the most stupid pigs ever. Please checkout the worldwide celebration of 9/11 among the muslims!
The great clash between camel-fuckers and infidels will come in several decades. In fact we have seen a little preview in Netherlands, where Theo is the martyr of infidels.
When the great clash comes, we, the infidels, should do all we can to kill the camel-fuckers!
Infidels of the world, unite! Kill the camel fuckers!
Posted by: heihei at January 08, 2005 03:01 AM (stQ7k)
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I say Fuck Islam. This war's been going on since the very beginning. Read your fucking history dammit. Those mujahideen mutherfuckers have been trying to conquer the world ever since they first heard their message of war from that blaspheming "prophet" Muhammad. I say we put up a razorwire fence around the whole Middle East to pen those bastards up. Let them have their Islamic States, their Shari'a law, their adultery stonings and whatever else they like. But they can stay the fuck away from us and we away from them. I say we leave Iraq; let em' have a civil war. I'm sick of seeing my brothers, American soldiers, fighting and dying for bastards who don't even appreciate their sacrifice. Fuck them. Fuck of all of them.
Posted by: GoDFreyOfBouillon at January 28, 2005 05:17 AM (FP3na)
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I say bomb the hell out of mecca. Flatten it.
We have no need for a fake belief that even the followers have no idea on the truth of its origin.
Rid the world of islam !!!!
We have no need for a fake belief that even the followers have no idea on the truth of its origin.
Rid the world of islam !!!!
Posted by: muslim shits at February 20, 2005 01:18 PM (IZPwe)
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FUCK ALL RELIGIONS WITH ALL THEIR USELESS FUCKING GODS. MAY ALL GODS FUCK WITH DUDI AZRAN FROM THE FUCKING ISRAELI POLICE.
Posted by: PEMBENCI SEMUA AGAMA at February 21, 2005 06:14 AM (mnBwW)
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God gave us free will. And you are using it to say what you like. Use it while you can. But it will come back to you. Humans often forget they are mortal. When you die, who will you turn to? If you dont believe in a greater being then you might as well live the most of your current life! Enjoy it while you can. Whatever your religion, if your a good person, you will be rewarded. There's only one God. Who sent down different religion. You will be surprised at how many Muslims live the same life as other religions, but you dont know until you've seen it. Well, anyway, I would rather believe there is some kind of explantion for this fucked up world than to believe in nothing!
Posted by: Adam at February 22, 2005 05:38 PM (SIJjd)
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Fuck Islam
All muslims should die
FUcking Dirty motherfuckers
STFU!!!!!!!!!! bitch ass mofo, being all gangsta on da internet... tell that to a real MUSLIM in his eyes!!!
All muslims should die
FUcking Dirty motherfuckers
STFU!!!!!!!!!! bitch ass mofo, being all gangsta on da internet... tell that to a real MUSLIM in his eyes!!!
Posted by: Fuck u Muslim at March 02, 2005 03:51 AM (wtMij)
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you you you you don't see what's going on in phalsteen what israel and usa are doing & i don't wanna talk about iraq i think the real mother fuckers are israel and usa yea
there's too many of people i mean from usa and another plasec they didn't found some answers about the life ...
when some 1 died u saying he will be in the sky and the islam has all the answers about this...
there's too many of people i mean from usa and another plasec they didn't found some answers about the life ...
when some 1 died u saying he will be in the sky and the islam has all the answers about this...
Posted by: muslem at March 07, 2005 01:02 PM (Hc6Fr)
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Here is what i find funny about Islam/Muslims if you look at the Islamic/Muslim world every part of their lives involes the West, not thru our ("THE WEST's") doing but thru their own.
Tell me Muslims what cars do you drive, planes do you fly, where do you get you Heavy Eqp and expertise from when you want to build something? who provides you with your grain for food&textiles for cloth? The West does!! All the Middle East woud be a far worse shithole than it already is if the West was not their to provide you with all you need!
And we are called Infidels, We are the ones who put Men on the Moon, Split the Atom and try to work for the betterment of man, All Islam does is bitch about the West encroaching on it's borders and Ala Ala ala Ala Ala.
Look at the facts you Hipocritcal Towel Heads, You say the west is to blame for all your problems but look at the borders of the Islamic World, Islam is trying to expand in every direction and in all cases it is thru Violence.
look around from the Sudan to the Phillippines to Chechnia and even in the rural regions of China, all over Islam is spreading thru Violence.
And it looks like the day is coming where the world is sick of Islam again just like back in the day when the Khan's laid waiste to the Middle East and Asia. Why did he do this because of Islamic stupidity just like today!
Look it up,look into your history, Islam was the greatest Culture on Earth at one time, but you ruined it for yourself's by pissing off Ghengis Kahn. All he wanted to do was open a trade route with one of your Sultan's. So he sent an envoy and a Cravan to open negotiations. What did the Dumbass Sultan do he stole all the goods from the Caravan and killed or enslaved everyone in it. Ghengis was like WTF, Huh what was that for? So he sent another envoy. This time the Sultan cut off his hair and sent him back in shame. This Ghengis was incenced at, and spent the next 2 years hunting down the Sultan and laying waste to the Middle East&Arabia. Ever since then the Islamic world has been an empty void trying to fill itself.
Then ya luck out and all that Oil is out there, lol what would you be without your Oil, someday we will see and all Muslims should be dreading that day, because that will be the day we are free to deal with you as we want, not how we have to because of the Oil,
Look out Islam/Muslims the 2nd Crusade is approaching and this time we have many more Horses and Knights!
Tell me Muslims what cars do you drive, planes do you fly, where do you get you Heavy Eqp and expertise from when you want to build something? who provides you with your grain for food&textiles for cloth? The West does!! All the Middle East woud be a far worse shithole than it already is if the West was not their to provide you with all you need!
And we are called Infidels, We are the ones who put Men on the Moon, Split the Atom and try to work for the betterment of man, All Islam does is bitch about the West encroaching on it's borders and Ala Ala ala Ala Ala.
Look at the facts you Hipocritcal Towel Heads, You say the west is to blame for all your problems but look at the borders of the Islamic World, Islam is trying to expand in every direction and in all cases it is thru Violence.
look around from the Sudan to the Phillippines to Chechnia and even in the rural regions of China, all over Islam is spreading thru Violence.
And it looks like the day is coming where the world is sick of Islam again just like back in the day when the Khan's laid waiste to the Middle East and Asia. Why did he do this because of Islamic stupidity just like today!
Look it up,look into your history, Islam was the greatest Culture on Earth at one time, but you ruined it for yourself's by pissing off Ghengis Kahn. All he wanted to do was open a trade route with one of your Sultan's. So he sent an envoy and a Cravan to open negotiations. What did the Dumbass Sultan do he stole all the goods from the Caravan and killed or enslaved everyone in it. Ghengis was like WTF, Huh what was that for? So he sent another envoy. This time the Sultan cut off his hair and sent him back in shame. This Ghengis was incenced at, and spent the next 2 years hunting down the Sultan and laying waste to the Middle East&Arabia. Ever since then the Islamic world has been an empty void trying to fill itself.
Then ya luck out and all that Oil is out there, lol what would you be without your Oil, someday we will see and all Muslims should be dreading that day, because that will be the day we are free to deal with you as we want, not how we have to because of the Oil,
Look out Islam/Muslims the 2nd Crusade is approaching and this time we have many more Horses and Knights!
Posted by: Pop at March 09, 2005 08:40 PM (4cDXM)
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1st thing that i wanna say s
im muslem and im so proud to be
thx god .. cause we gotta a real life
over here..and we have nothing to shame about
not like u . u just running after ur desire
like animals with out any kinda of roles
u dont know that there s some day that u will
gonna be punsh.and blame. u just living the
dream that u wouldnt wanna even wake up
im proud to be a muslem cause i dont wanna
grow up n a family without father that choose
to leave us for his desires or mother that
drink all the time..what a life ha!..
u hate islam and muslems cause they have roles
that make us be good people.
make us be nice.
u hate islam cause u wanna live ur dreams
cause islam wanna mention u about god
im proud to be muslem
cause we have brain knew how to use it
faitful to each other.care for each other
so who should be shame about his life?
who s the bad one now?
u tell me who should be feel suck about his life
now ha!..
i realy feel sorry about u .
n the end.i dont know what i will gonna say more
but
thxgod im muslem and proud
and wish for u to open ur eyes someday and see what i see.
and we all gonna say who will win n the end
front of god
im muslem and im so proud to be
thx god .. cause we gotta a real life
over here..and we have nothing to shame about
not like u . u just running after ur desire
like animals with out any kinda of roles
u dont know that there s some day that u will
gonna be punsh.and blame. u just living the
dream that u wouldnt wanna even wake up
im proud to be a muslem cause i dont wanna
grow up n a family without father that choose
to leave us for his desires or mother that
drink all the time..what a life ha!..
u hate islam and muslems cause they have roles
that make us be good people.
make us be nice.
u hate islam cause u wanna live ur dreams
cause islam wanna mention u about god
im proud to be muslem
cause we have brain knew how to use it
faitful to each other.care for each other
so who should be shame about his life?
who s the bad one now?
u tell me who should be feel suck about his life
now ha!..
i realy feel sorry about u .
n the end.i dont know what i will gonna say more
but
thxgod im muslem and proud
and wish for u to open ur eyes someday and see what i see.
and we all gonna say who will win n the end
front of god
Posted by: anaconda at March 10, 2005 03:23 AM (ez722)
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What Dreams do Muslims/Islam have, other than to make the World Islamic ????? Anaconda you make it seem lke Muslims/Islam has a great culture like they are doing thigs to improve the life of man, name 1 thing that Islam has done for the world in the last 20 years ???? I cant think of any.
And yur talking about our lives as if none of it happens to Muslims. Are there Alchoholic Muslims i think so, are there Adulturous Muslims i know so!!
You miss the point like every Muslim, The West is not the root of your problems, It is a decadent lifestyle, and an inability to get out of the 16th century, No other Religion on the face of the planet is as violent and hipocritical as Islam is, All over the Islamic world there is no tolerance, you Bomb/destroy other peoples icons/religios symbols and have no respect for anyone else. You cry about the West and how bad it is, yet you do nothing of the Dictators in "ALL" of the Islamic countries, who give you the life you have that you hate so much and blame the West for,
And so Anaconda good for you i am glad you are proud to be Muslim, only question i have for you is what do you have to be proud of? Name something for me one thing please !!
Look at the Fact's Islam you are your own worst enemy!!! Quit blaming the West and clean your own house ya Tards !!!!!
And yur talking about our lives as if none of it happens to Muslims. Are there Alchoholic Muslims i think so, are there Adulturous Muslims i know so!!
You miss the point like every Muslim, The West is not the root of your problems, It is a decadent lifestyle, and an inability to get out of the 16th century, No other Religion on the face of the planet is as violent and hipocritical as Islam is, All over the Islamic world there is no tolerance, you Bomb/destroy other peoples icons/religios symbols and have no respect for anyone else. You cry about the West and how bad it is, yet you do nothing of the Dictators in "ALL" of the Islamic countries, who give you the life you have that you hate so much and blame the West for,
And so Anaconda good for you i am glad you are proud to be Muslim, only question i have for you is what do you have to be proud of? Name something for me one thing please !!
Look at the Fact's Islam you are your own worst enemy!!! Quit blaming the West and clean your own house ya Tards !!!!!
Posted by: pop at March 10, 2005 02:11 PM (4cDXM)
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FUCK YOU ALL MUSLIM ASSHOLES IT IS BECAUSE OF YOU CLOWNS WITH NO FUCKIN RESPECT TO LIFE THAT WE HAVE TO FLEE OUR COUNTRIES YOU PATHETIC ASSHOLES
Posted by: Nino at March 11, 2005 02:35 PM (GYnaq)
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we didn't attack on america till they attack on us
they want the oil ...the center and damage the big force in the arabian world ... we are not terrorists ... we are not crazy .. we resist the invasion .. there is no one like to see the blood
..babies death ...forgin people go into them homes without permission ...islam is peace not as u see ... we are human ...there is crazy people wana to make this world as the jungle . thats all i can say ... and i think you have mind to think more not about the mony ...thanks for reading
ali
they want the oil ...the center and damage the big force in the arabian world ... we are not terrorists ... we are not crazy .. we resist the invasion .. there is no one like to see the blood
..babies death ...forgin people go into them homes without permission ...islam is peace not as u see ... we are human ...there is crazy people wana to make this world as the jungle . thats all i can say ... and i think you have mind to think more not about the mony ...thanks for reading
ali
Posted by: ali at March 13, 2005 09:31 AM (2efel)
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you guys make it seem like all muslims are evil and terrorists... i am a muslim and i dont believe anything you say... we are not a violent religion/nation... the ppl u see gettin executed on tv and 9/11 were all done by EXTREMISTS... they try to inforce religion into what they are doing and thats not true... i believe that yes we as a nation have problemslike any other nation... what im trying to tell u is that their are muslims who dont beleive in hate and death to all americans!... we are a peaceful religion with peaceful ppl...
Posted by: hamad at March 14, 2005 06:16 AM (PcZlV)
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It is funny how you associate Islam and terrorists, it is funny how everyone jumps to conclusions. I understand the terrible tragedy all the Americans had to witness on 9/11, I myself am an American-Muslim I have several of my relatives in Iraq fighting for our freedom, there were also muslims that lost their life when the tragedy unfolded, the Pakistani government ( a muslim majority country) is one of America's greastest ally. The terrorists are a muslim minority who fight for their own cause and in no way or form represent all of the muslim community around the world. Their actions are condemned by the Islamic Doctrine. The Quran preaches peace "to save a life is to save mankind as whole." Jihad means "religious struggle" not be taken literally but in a spritual sense. Jihad is an internal stuggle within oneself to seperate mind body and soul. Most Arab Americans are victims of these terrorists and therefore have found there homes in America now only to have fallen victim to ignorance and nonsense hatred. Most of the American community is understanding but there are still a handful out there that have been blinded by there own hatred. If you want to believe that these terrorists represent all muslims than you must also accept the fact that the KKK represent all White Americans, its like saying Adolf Hitler represents all Germans, its like saying when Presindent Bush said to James Robinson: 'I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but I sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I know it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it. - Does this mean that this war represents all Christians all across the world, I do not think so. All I want to get across is hatred only leads hatred and the very thing that we are criticizing is what we are feeding.
Posted by: Ashiq Ali at March 14, 2005 11:58 AM (dRuXE)
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Hello POP I would just like to say that every accomplishment up till today is not measured by a religion but by an individual. For example the car was invented not by Chiristianity, Islam, or Buddhism but by a person. Just because you are a part of the same religion as the person does not mean you are to share part in his/her accomplishment. The real question is what have you done for the betterment of humanity? Seems like you are only spreading hate.
Posted by: Ashiq Ali at March 14, 2005 12:43 PM (dRuXE)
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Hey Ashiq, well lets see, yesterday i did my usual bi-weekly volunteer stint at the homeless shelter,and i am in the Big Brother program ( kind of like Al-Qaeda or Islamic Jihad) but without the Military training camps or "Hatefull" retoric. We just like to show the kids a good time,not teach them how to blow up themselves or others.
I like to think that what i do is helping humanity, by showing compassion and a willingness to help out people in need. Very much like the "Red Cross" who helps out all over the world regardless of a persons creed,ethnicity or religion hmmmmmmm wonder if the Red Crescent does that? or do they only help out in Muslim countries ?
As for Islam not being a violent Religion, i am sure that the majority of Islam does not participate activly in terrorism, but they dont exactly get enraged by it like the rest of the world. I have seen Global protests against terrorism all over the place from Brazil to Japan, yet i have never seen or heard of a protest against terrorism in the Islamic world. To me that is as good as saying you support it!
And yes Ashiq things are made by individuals, that individual though has a background he may be Christian,Muslim or not be religious at all.
I may be ignorant to the facts because of where i live but what has an Islamic Individual done to better the world as of late? what Islamic Individual has made a diff outside of the Islamic world? the West is far more Giving than the Islamic World is on a Global front. When Iran has an Earthquake we send help they may be an Enemy or non friend but we help anyway. Can the same be said of the Islamic World do they help others?
And i dont think i am spreading hate Ashiq,i believe everything i have said is true, if not please correct me. Once again Muslims please read what i say answer the questions, dont just respond to them prove me wrong !
Time to crack another beer, Ashiq would you like one :-)
I like to think that what i do is helping humanity, by showing compassion and a willingness to help out people in need. Very much like the "Red Cross" who helps out all over the world regardless of a persons creed,ethnicity or religion hmmmmmmm wonder if the Red Crescent does that? or do they only help out in Muslim countries ?
As for Islam not being a violent Religion, i am sure that the majority of Islam does not participate activly in terrorism, but they dont exactly get enraged by it like the rest of the world. I have seen Global protests against terrorism all over the place from Brazil to Japan, yet i have never seen or heard of a protest against terrorism in the Islamic world. To me that is as good as saying you support it!
And yes Ashiq things are made by individuals, that individual though has a background he may be Christian,Muslim or not be religious at all.
I may be ignorant to the facts because of where i live but what has an Islamic Individual done to better the world as of late? what Islamic Individual has made a diff outside of the Islamic world? the West is far more Giving than the Islamic World is on a Global front. When Iran has an Earthquake we send help they may be an Enemy or non friend but we help anyway. Can the same be said of the Islamic World do they help others?
And i dont think i am spreading hate Ashiq,i believe everything i have said is true, if not please correct me. Once again Muslims please read what i say answer the questions, dont just respond to them prove me wrong !
Time to crack another beer, Ashiq would you like one :-)
Posted by: Pop at March 14, 2005 10:41 PM (4cDXM)
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HOW ARE MUSLIMS PIGS ,WHEN THE WHITE RATS EAT PORK CHOPS??? FUCKING WHITE PIG!!!!!!
Posted by: DOGGY G at March 16, 2005 05:57 AM (JPXJ5)
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HMMMMMMM, typical Islamic answer!
First off Doggy G, i think ya misread the post?
Second Pork Chops and Bacon taste great !!!!
you should try it sometime might cool off the Radical in ya!!
Still waiting for some answers, or am i 100% right in what i say ?
First off Doggy G, i think ya misread the post?
Second Pork Chops and Bacon taste great !!!!
you should try it sometime might cool off the Radical in ya!!
Still waiting for some answers, or am i 100% right in what i say ?
Posted by: Pop at March 16, 2005 02:57 PM (4cDXM)
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Very nice Ashiq, ty for opening a dialogue !!
The reason that Aga Khan may be so understanding and helpfull, is that he was raised in the West. Son of Prince Aly Khan and Princess Tajuddawlah Aly Khan, the Aga Khan was born on December 13, 1936, in Geneva. He spent his early childhood in Nairobi, Kenya, and then attended Le Rosey School in Switzerland for nine years. He graduated from Harvard University in 1959 with a BA Honors Degree in Islamic history.
Also his sons were educated in the West! His elder son, Prince Rahim, who graduated from Brown University (USA) in 1995, has similar responsibilities in respect of the Imamat's economic development institutions. His younger son, Prince Hussain, who graduated from Williams College (USA) in 1997, has recently joined the Secretariat and is involved in the cultural activities of the Network.
And even his titles have come from Western based leaders! The title His Highness was granted by Her Majesty the Queen of Great Britain in 1957, and His Royal Highness by His Imperial Majesty the Shah of Iran in 1959.
I def agree with you that he is a good man, and is a good muslim who helps out all over but he mostly helps out only where Ismailis live Today. the Ismailis live in some twenty-five countries, mainly in West and Central Asia, Africa and the Middle East, as well as in North America and Western Europe.
It does say he helps out all over, but it is mostly to help out members of the Ismailis faith.
That is what i understood when i read it?
Also he may be Muslim/Islamic but he was raised in the West, and got a Western education as did his sons, maybe this is why he is so generous, because of his Western background ?
Once again Ashiq, ty for chatting i look forward to your responce !!
P.S. I dont really like to et Drunk, just a good "Smile on my face" buzz :-)
The reason that Aga Khan may be so understanding and helpfull, is that he was raised in the West. Son of Prince Aly Khan and Princess Tajuddawlah Aly Khan, the Aga Khan was born on December 13, 1936, in Geneva. He spent his early childhood in Nairobi, Kenya, and then attended Le Rosey School in Switzerland for nine years. He graduated from Harvard University in 1959 with a BA Honors Degree in Islamic history.
Also his sons were educated in the West! His elder son, Prince Rahim, who graduated from Brown University (USA) in 1995, has similar responsibilities in respect of the Imamat's economic development institutions. His younger son, Prince Hussain, who graduated from Williams College (USA) in 1997, has recently joined the Secretariat and is involved in the cultural activities of the Network.
And even his titles have come from Western based leaders! The title His Highness was granted by Her Majesty the Queen of Great Britain in 1957, and His Royal Highness by His Imperial Majesty the Shah of Iran in 1959.
I def agree with you that he is a good man, and is a good muslim who helps out all over but he mostly helps out only where Ismailis live Today. the Ismailis live in some twenty-five countries, mainly in West and Central Asia, Africa and the Middle East, as well as in North America and Western Europe.
It does say he helps out all over, but it is mostly to help out members of the Ismailis faith.
That is what i understood when i read it?
Also he may be Muslim/Islamic but he was raised in the West, and got a Western education as did his sons, maybe this is why he is so generous, because of his Western background ?
Once again Ashiq, ty for chatting i look forward to your responce !!
P.S. I dont really like to et Drunk, just a good "Smile on my face" buzz :-)
Posted by: Pop at March 16, 2005 09:15 PM (4cDXM)
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Oh i forgot Ashiq, about the,I have also seen across the world enraged-protests AGAINST this war on terror, are you implying that all the non-supporters are also terrorists?
Not in so many words Ashiq,i will put it this way if you are not against Terrorism that must mean you are for it. If you look at what happened to those poor children a few months back in Beslan,Russia, that is what i mean by Terrorism that is what brought me to my current frame of mind.
People who looked at that incident and came away with any sort of justification for it is a Terrorist supporter in my mind and thus a Terrorist.
To me if you believe in what Terrorists do you should be treated like one. Only fair if you give money to a Terror organization you are one !! "Only if you know it is a Terror Organization though", some are disguised as Aid Organizations, or Dummy companies.
If someone lets known and wanted Terrorists into their house to me he is one, and supports their cause.
Hope that cleared up my Opinion for ya ?
Not in so many words Ashiq,i will put it this way if you are not against Terrorism that must mean you are for it. If you look at what happened to those poor children a few months back in Beslan,Russia, that is what i mean by Terrorism that is what brought me to my current frame of mind.
People who looked at that incident and came away with any sort of justification for it is a Terrorist supporter in my mind and thus a Terrorist.
To me if you believe in what Terrorists do you should be treated like one. Only fair if you give money to a Terror organization you are one !! "Only if you know it is a Terror Organization though", some are disguised as Aid Organizations, or Dummy companies.
If someone lets known and wanted Terrorists into their house to me he is one, and supports their cause.
Hope that cleared up my Opinion for ya ?
Posted by: Pop at March 16, 2005 11:56 PM (4cDXM)
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hmmmmmmmmmmm...hey pop
i dont know what i will gona say to u but
there s 1 thing. f u wonder why islam didnt do
anything ?the answer s u
u just came to us and take our freedom
like now n iraq and phalastin.did u watch news
how many iraqians and phalastinians died n one day
?i guess not..why they didnt had a good euductions
ha?..
do u know why ?cause they had to go to look for another place to learn?..cause u dont left to us another safe place to go. cause u want the war
cause u r coming to our home and wana take it
from us..
u wana take our oil.what r u people?
f u say why muslems come to us and study n our
university?..that s because of YOU!!u dont left
to us peace n our home.
even u took our home.that s not enough for u
no..u want to kill us.what the life u gave it to us .u THE WEST..u just gave us bad things to learn
did u know what happend n ABO GREB.WHAT U had done to that men and women?.
u dont want us be n safe be n peace what we had done for u.to do all this bad things
we r the muslems r stronger than u
do u know why?..not because of the power of the technology no..but because of the power of God
that make us be better than u...heh
ANOTHER THING that i want to thank u ASHIQ ALI
about ur comment.and god pless u.
and INSHALLAH INSHALLAH we will gona win n the end n the biggest examination
i dont know what i will gona say to u but
there s 1 thing. f u wonder why islam didnt do
anything ?the answer s u
u just came to us and take our freedom
like now n iraq and phalastin.did u watch news
how many iraqians and phalastinians died n one day
?i guess not..why they didnt had a good euductions
ha?..
do u know why ?cause they had to go to look for another place to learn?..cause u dont left to us another safe place to go. cause u want the war
cause u r coming to our home and wana take it
from us..
u wana take our oil.what r u people?
f u say why muslems come to us and study n our
university?..that s because of YOU!!u dont left
to us peace n our home.
even u took our home.that s not enough for u
no..u want to kill us.what the life u gave it to us .u THE WEST..u just gave us bad things to learn
did u know what happend n ABO GREB.WHAT U had done to that men and women?.
u dont want us be n safe be n peace what we had done for u.to do all this bad things
we r the muslems r stronger than u
do u know why?..not because of the power of the technology no..but because of the power of God
that make us be better than u...heh
ANOTHER THING that i want to thank u ASHIQ ALI
about ur comment.and god pless u.
and INSHALLAH INSHALLAH we will gona win n the end n the biggest examination
Posted by: anaconda at March 17, 2005 07:13 AM (u8E3d)
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Once again blaming the West Whole Hearted, and not looking at the facts !!
yes the USA is in Iraq, but how did they get into Iraq, and why are they still there ?
As i recall the USA has been a Guest on behalf of Arabian Governments/Countries like Kuwait,Saudi Arabia,Qatar ect ect there is a reason the West is there!
1) Would be the fact that for Decades "NO" one in the Islamic World did anything to stop So Damn Insane (Saddam Hussain) from invading his Neighbors, and the USA is one of the people to blame they helped him for years, because the Enemy of my Enemy is my friend and he was fighting against Iran.
But as soon as he invaided Kuwait regardless of Oil who got him out? It took the Western powers to fix an Arabian problem.
I dont believe we should be in the Mid East/Arabia, it is only because of the Oil that we are there, that is a fact. But you complain of US Troops killing civilians, yes that does happen but you have to believe,we unlike Terrorists do not intentionaly target civilians we dont.
Now i wonder who has killed more Iraqi's? The Terrorists and their bombings ( they take out many Civilians every time they bomb something)
Or US troops who respond to being fired on. And lets not forget that Terrorist's use Civilians as human shields,they will shoot at US troops from a building full of Civilians and when the US shoots back Civilians are killed. They also "HIDE" in Mosques,wich we have been more than patient in respecting Islams Religious Icons by not destroying them.
And it looks like the VAST Majority of Iraq wants the US there or else there would be much more damage done to US forces.
Try complaining about Muslims killing muslims, that is what is causing most of the casualties in Iraq.
And i dont think you can blame the US for Isreal killing Palestinians, sure we give them money and Eqp, but the Arabic world gets most of its weapons and eqp from China/N.Korea and Russia i am not about to Blame those countries for having their weapons used to kill US/Coalition troops.
And Anaconda get real m8, your Powerfull God has not helped out Muslims in many many a Decade, instead of asking him to "KILL THE INFIDELS" ya might want to try asking him to replace some of that Sand with Water !! Or to replace all of your Dictators with a Democratic Governing System much like the one your Powerfull God is letting us install in Iraq !!
See Anaconda to me Your God isn't exactly stoping us from doing what we want if anything he let us sweep aside the most powerfull army in the region in a matter of weeks. I think he is sending you and other Muslims a message. The message is you have lost your ways, and now i am punishing you!!
And as for the Education thing lol it does not take much to set up a decent college, the Reason most of the Islamic Worlds professionals go to school in the West is because we allow things to be studied that Islam does not we have no restrictions we welcome all new knowledge, We even encourage our Women to Read !!!!
Give it up Anaconda if God is all your hopes hang on you have already lost, Seeing is believing and i see the Islamic World changing as we want it to because "GOD" all of em are on our side.
yes the USA is in Iraq, but how did they get into Iraq, and why are they still there ?
As i recall the USA has been a Guest on behalf of Arabian Governments/Countries like Kuwait,Saudi Arabia,Qatar ect ect there is a reason the West is there!
1) Would be the fact that for Decades "NO" one in the Islamic World did anything to stop So Damn Insane (Saddam Hussain) from invading his Neighbors, and the USA is one of the people to blame they helped him for years, because the Enemy of my Enemy is my friend and he was fighting against Iran.
But as soon as he invaided Kuwait regardless of Oil who got him out? It took the Western powers to fix an Arabian problem.
I dont believe we should be in the Mid East/Arabia, it is only because of the Oil that we are there, that is a fact. But you complain of US Troops killing civilians, yes that does happen but you have to believe,we unlike Terrorists do not intentionaly target civilians we dont.
Now i wonder who has killed more Iraqi's? The Terrorists and their bombings ( they take out many Civilians every time they bomb something)
Or US troops who respond to being fired on. And lets not forget that Terrorist's use Civilians as human shields,they will shoot at US troops from a building full of Civilians and when the US shoots back Civilians are killed. They also "HIDE" in Mosques,wich we have been more than patient in respecting Islams Religious Icons by not destroying them.
And it looks like the VAST Majority of Iraq wants the US there or else there would be much more damage done to US forces.
Try complaining about Muslims killing muslims, that is what is causing most of the casualties in Iraq.
And i dont think you can blame the US for Isreal killing Palestinians, sure we give them money and Eqp, but the Arabic world gets most of its weapons and eqp from China/N.Korea and Russia i am not about to Blame those countries for having their weapons used to kill US/Coalition troops.
And Anaconda get real m8, your Powerfull God has not helped out Muslims in many many a Decade, instead of asking him to "KILL THE INFIDELS" ya might want to try asking him to replace some of that Sand with Water !! Or to replace all of your Dictators with a Democratic Governing System much like the one your Powerfull God is letting us install in Iraq !!
See Anaconda to me Your God isn't exactly stoping us from doing what we want if anything he let us sweep aside the most powerfull army in the region in a matter of weeks. I think he is sending you and other Muslims a message. The message is you have lost your ways, and now i am punishing you!!
And as for the Education thing lol it does not take much to set up a decent college, the Reason most of the Islamic Worlds professionals go to school in the West is because we allow things to be studied that Islam does not we have no restrictions we welcome all new knowledge, We even encourage our Women to Read !!!!
Give it up Anaconda if God is all your hopes hang on you have already lost, Seeing is believing and i see the Islamic World changing as we want it to because "GOD" all of em are on our side.
Posted by: Pop at March 17, 2005 06:22 PM (4cDXM)
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well..pop
u seems like u had a real close mind
so..i wil not bother myself for u
and weasting my time for YA!
AND BELEAVE me that u will gonna be sorry
about every word that u talkin about god
and we all gonna watch that..smarty!!
beleave me..im realy feel sorry about u
u seems u hadnt any idea about islam or the history of islamic reliogn
or u hadnt even read the qoran.so why i should care about someone like u
and 1 another thing:
now it s ur life.live it us u want to live it
and we the MUSLEMS will gonna have our real life n the end
GOOD BYE
u seems like u had a real close mind
so..i wil not bother myself for u
and weasting my time for YA!
AND BELEAVE me that u will gonna be sorry
about every word that u talkin about god
and we all gonna watch that..smarty!!
beleave me..im realy feel sorry about u
u seems u hadnt any idea about islam or the history of islamic reliogn
or u hadnt even read the qoran.so why i should care about someone like u
and 1 another thing:
now it s ur life.live it us u want to live it
and we the MUSLEMS will gonna have our real life n the end
GOOD BYE
Posted by: anaconda at March 19, 2005 01:59 AM (u8E3d)
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Nope i dont have a closed mind at all, i am from the West !!!
I am simply responding to your post's, its just my Opinion/View of things,take it with a grain of salt.
Try Debating the Opinions/Views in my posts, if you think i am wrong tell me why, give me some substance!!
That is what these post's are all about the clashing of "Cultures" and "Ideals"
I welcome your responce's !!! Keep them coming.
It truly is better that we fight with words, instead of weapons!
Besides we all love a good argument !!
I am simply responding to your post's, its just my Opinion/View of things,take it with a grain of salt.
Try Debating the Opinions/Views in my posts, if you think i am wrong tell me why, give me some substance!!
That is what these post's are all about the clashing of "Cultures" and "Ideals"
I welcome your responce's !!! Keep them coming.
It truly is better that we fight with words, instead of weapons!
Besides we all love a good argument !!
Posted by: Pop at March 19, 2005 02:38 AM (4cDXM)
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Hey Pop,
I definitely agree with you that we should resolve our differences through dialog, rather than resort to violence. I enjoy posting my views on this site and derive equal pleasure in reading some of the readers’ responses. So, here I find myself writing yet another post:
I think it would be incorrect to say that the Aga Khan is a good man because he was brought up and educated in the Western World. Western culture alone, or any culture for that matter, does not necessarily make a person good or bad.
The Western World, without question, is a global human asset in that it promotes diversity and enjoys pluralist society where minorities are welcome. Everyone is allowed to move forward in an equitable manner. The Aga Khan has a deep appreciation for such diversity and pluralism. However, the West also permits consumption of Alcohol and other habits which are damaging to one’s health. I acknowledge that some Muslims do in fact indulge in these activities, which are against the teachings of Islam. The Aga Khan, having being raised in the Western Culture, could have very easily succumb to such activities. But did he? No. On the contrary, his value systems, which he derives from his Faith, allow him to make wise judgments and refrain from damaging activities. (Please note that I’m not saying that I despise the Western World.)
I think he has established noble institutions such as the Aga Khan Fund (AKF) and FOCUS Humanitarian Assistance not because he was brought up in the Western World, but because his faith teaches him to respect the sanctity of the human life. Caring for the poor and the needy is one of most fundamental principles of Islam. If western education automatically made a person just, then ALL of the educated people in the Western World would be kind and generous. I hope you would concur with me that this is certainly not the case.
I would also like to comment on the following remark:
“And as for the Education thing lol it does not take much to set up a decent college, the Reason most of the Islamic Worlds professionals go to school in the West is because we allow things to be studied that Islam does not we have no restrictions we welcome all new knowledge, We even encourage our Women to Read !!!!â€
I don’t think there’s dichotomy between Islam and acquisition of knowledge. In fact, the Quran encourages the pursuit of knowledge. One of the first verses revealed to Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) were the following:
[96:1-5] “Read! In the name of your Lord who created - Created the human from something which clings. Read! And your Lord is Most Bountiful - He who taught (the use of) the Pen, Taught the human that which he knew not.â€
There are plenty of other references in the Quran that promote knowledge. And the pursuit of knowledge is not restricted to men. Does Islam or the Quran discourage women to read and obtain education? If you think so, please direct me to a source (an authoritative one) that articulates such views. If Islam discourages women to get education, then why are so many women studying at AKU (I strongly encourage you to visit www.aku.edu), a prominent university in Pakistan? (Coincidentally, this institution, too, was established by the Aga Khan.)
It is true that some Muslim nations adopt extremist views and prohibit women from getting education. I would like to re-emphasize that such practices are not the ideals of Islam. They are against the teachings of Islam.
I definitely agree with you that we should resolve our differences through dialog, rather than resort to violence. I enjoy posting my views on this site and derive equal pleasure in reading some of the readers’ responses. So, here I find myself writing yet another post:
I think it would be incorrect to say that the Aga Khan is a good man because he was brought up and educated in the Western World. Western culture alone, or any culture for that matter, does not necessarily make a person good or bad.
The Western World, without question, is a global human asset in that it promotes diversity and enjoys pluralist society where minorities are welcome. Everyone is allowed to move forward in an equitable manner. The Aga Khan has a deep appreciation for such diversity and pluralism. However, the West also permits consumption of Alcohol and other habits which are damaging to one’s health. I acknowledge that some Muslims do in fact indulge in these activities, which are against the teachings of Islam. The Aga Khan, having being raised in the Western Culture, could have very easily succumb to such activities. But did he? No. On the contrary, his value systems, which he derives from his Faith, allow him to make wise judgments and refrain from damaging activities. (Please note that I’m not saying that I despise the Western World.)
I think he has established noble institutions such as the Aga Khan Fund (AKF) and FOCUS Humanitarian Assistance not because he was brought up in the Western World, but because his faith teaches him to respect the sanctity of the human life. Caring for the poor and the needy is one of most fundamental principles of Islam. If western education automatically made a person just, then ALL of the educated people in the Western World would be kind and generous. I hope you would concur with me that this is certainly not the case.
I would also like to comment on the following remark:
“And as for the Education thing lol it does not take much to set up a decent college, the Reason most of the Islamic Worlds professionals go to school in the West is because we allow things to be studied that Islam does not we have no restrictions we welcome all new knowledge, We even encourage our Women to Read !!!!â€
I don’t think there’s dichotomy between Islam and acquisition of knowledge. In fact, the Quran encourages the pursuit of knowledge. One of the first verses revealed to Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) were the following:
[96:1-5] “Read! In the name of your Lord who created - Created the human from something which clings. Read! And your Lord is Most Bountiful - He who taught (the use of) the Pen, Taught the human that which he knew not.â€
There are plenty of other references in the Quran that promote knowledge. And the pursuit of knowledge is not restricted to men. Does Islam or the Quran discourage women to read and obtain education? If you think so, please direct me to a source (an authoritative one) that articulates such views. If Islam discourages women to get education, then why are so many women studying at AKU (I strongly encourage you to visit www.aku.edu), a prominent university in Pakistan? (Coincidentally, this institution, too, was established by the Aga Khan.)
It is true that some Muslim nations adopt extremist views and prohibit women from getting education. I would like to re-emphasize that such practices are not the ideals of Islam. They are against the teachings of Islam.
Posted by: Ashiq Ali at March 20, 2005 01:59 PM (dRuXE)
Posted by: Pop at March 21, 2005 04:06 PM (jL+3v)
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fuck all american and stupid jews. Let jesus eats dog shit... stupid and bloody fool jesus christ and fuckin' jews. u r all like rats.
Posted by: anti-american at March 25, 2005 10:35 AM (BFLM7)
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"LOL" Anti-American who pissed in your Cereal this morning, funny how are we all like rats ?? Your the one's who Breed like em and they are on the Menu in some Islamic Countries i believe? And funny isn't it A-A how a Bunch of Rats out do you on a daily basis !! I guess that makes you "Rat Crap". Dont be Angry at America A-A be Angry at all of your Dictators, try getting up off your arse and changing things, you might find out America is the least of your Problems!!
"Hehe" making fun of Jew's and Americans hahahahaha Look at the 7 days War A-A Egypt/Syria/Jordan/Iraq/ and their Allies outnumbered the "JEW'S" like 7-1 in odds hahahah and they were the ones who were swept aside by "Civilian Soldiers" in "7 DAYS" and yeah F Jesus, F him,Moses, Abraham, Allah all of em except Budda he's cool!!
So are you only Anti-American and if so why?
Hey Ashiq, i hope you are in good health, i agree with ya Ashiq that being raised Western does not make you a good person at all, it does however make you a more open minded and it also makes you more Diverse, because the West is more Diverse. In Western Countries we have our Racial problems same as anyplace else ( I.E, Iraq and the 3 main cultures there) but there is really very little Religious or Racial hatred towards Muslims, like there is in the Islamic World towards Westeners.
I suppose that is why so many more Muslims live outside of the Islamic World as opposed to Westerners living in the Islamic World, we are more Tollerant and open to individuals of all Diversities. Example would be,i bet there are more Muslims living in England than all the Westeners living in the Islamic World combined?
Why is this? Quality of Living perhaps or Family,but i bet it is mostly to do with Tolerance, Muslims do not feel threatened in Western Countries. On the Other hand the vast ammount of Westeners who live in the Islamic World are there to Work, no one else really feels safe. Westeners all over the Islamic World have been attacked and killed why? most are not even Soldiers!! ( Example)> The Terrorist attack a couple years ago near Luxor,Egypt on a Tour Bus full of Civilians,we in the West hear of these sort of attacks on an almost daily basis.
Now Ashiq, can you tell me of one incident you have hear about where something similar has happened to Muslims outside of the Islamic World? that is my Argument that is why i am so Angry at Islam/Muslims. We in the West treat Muslims much much better than Muslims treat Westeners. And we ( The Westeners) dont really know why Muslims are so Angry at us ?? Please help me understand your view Ashiq, help me understand why Islam has such a problem with the West, when as a whole we are so good to Muslims.
I mean could you Imagine if we had Radicals like the ones in the Islamic world? I mean there are "THOUSANDS" of Mosques in the Western World, and you never hear of them being Attacked or Burned down or Muslims being shot dead outside of them, but in the Islamic World it happens to Westeners on a daily basis, Churches are bombed or attacked Christians/Jew's are shot dead outside of them ect ect.
Do you see what i am trying to say Ashiq, isn't it the West that has a reason to be Angry at Islam and not the other way around?
I look forward to your responce Ashiq....................Cheers m8 !!!!
( Sheesh, my fingers hurt) :-)
"Hehe" making fun of Jew's and Americans hahahahaha Look at the 7 days War A-A Egypt/Syria/Jordan/Iraq/ and their Allies outnumbered the "JEW'S" like 7-1 in odds hahahah and they were the ones who were swept aside by "Civilian Soldiers" in "7 DAYS" and yeah F Jesus, F him,Moses, Abraham, Allah all of em except Budda he's cool!!
So are you only Anti-American and if so why?
Hey Ashiq, i hope you are in good health, i agree with ya Ashiq that being raised Western does not make you a good person at all, it does however make you a more open minded and it also makes you more Diverse, because the West is more Diverse. In Western Countries we have our Racial problems same as anyplace else ( I.E, Iraq and the 3 main cultures there) but there is really very little Religious or Racial hatred towards Muslims, like there is in the Islamic World towards Westeners.
I suppose that is why so many more Muslims live outside of the Islamic World as opposed to Westerners living in the Islamic World, we are more Tollerant and open to individuals of all Diversities. Example would be,i bet there are more Muslims living in England than all the Westeners living in the Islamic World combined?
Why is this? Quality of Living perhaps or Family,but i bet it is mostly to do with Tolerance, Muslims do not feel threatened in Western Countries. On the Other hand the vast ammount of Westeners who live in the Islamic World are there to Work, no one else really feels safe. Westeners all over the Islamic World have been attacked and killed why? most are not even Soldiers!! ( Example)> The Terrorist attack a couple years ago near Luxor,Egypt on a Tour Bus full of Civilians,we in the West hear of these sort of attacks on an almost daily basis.
Now Ashiq, can you tell me of one incident you have hear about where something similar has happened to Muslims outside of the Islamic World? that is my Argument that is why i am so Angry at Islam/Muslims. We in the West treat Muslims much much better than Muslims treat Westeners. And we ( The Westeners) dont really know why Muslims are so Angry at us ?? Please help me understand your view Ashiq, help me understand why Islam has such a problem with the West, when as a whole we are so good to Muslims.
I mean could you Imagine if we had Radicals like the ones in the Islamic world? I mean there are "THOUSANDS" of Mosques in the Western World, and you never hear of them being Attacked or Burned down or Muslims being shot dead outside of them, but in the Islamic World it happens to Westeners on a daily basis, Churches are bombed or attacked Christians/Jew's are shot dead outside of them ect ect.
Do you see what i am trying to say Ashiq, isn't it the West that has a reason to be Angry at Islam and not the other way around?
I look forward to your responce Ashiq....................Cheers m8 !!!!
( Sheesh, my fingers hurt) :-)
Posted by: Pop at March 28, 2005 12:57 AM (4cDXM)
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Hello anti-american, if you are a Muslim, all I would like to say to you is that Jesus and Moses are both our beloved Prophets as is acknowledged in the Holy Quran itself. If you are a devoted follower of the faith I hope you refrain from demoralizing our Prophets (may peace be upon them). Like I have said before anger only feeds anger and "an eye for an eye leaves both men blind"
Posted by: Ashiq Ali at March 30, 2005 01:15 AM (dRuXE)
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Hello Pop it's pleasure like always to hear from you, I will answer you when I have a little more time on my hands; until than Good Day.
Posted by: Ashiq Ali at March 30, 2005 01:18 AM (dRuXE)
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No Problem Ashiq !!, Take yur time, i have a feeling Anti-American is Anaconda hehe ?
Posted by: Pop at March 30, 2005 02:54 PM (4cDXM)
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Extremists and ignorant are in all faiths & cultures. some hidden some obvious. But if you think about it, all the 3 great religions, Islam & Christianity and Judaism, believe in One and only God. All ask us to be good to one another. Life is sacred in all of them. I know In Islam, ones who takes a life is like ones whom took all living things and his punishment is the greatest of all punishments in God’s words. The problem is not with any of the religions, it’s with humans and how they interpret there religious believes. Remember that faithful Christian who killed him self among few hundreds more back in 1992 in TX. Or how many Palestinians are shot every day by untrue Jews (mentioned on media all around the world but not on American media). or what has happen in the children school in Russia few months back. Crazy people are everywhere, every religion and in every culture. Can’t we all love one another and respect one another’s believe?? God bless us all with his mercy and gaudiness.
For those of you who are not Muslims, our greeting is “Al-Salam Alykum†which means “Peaceâ€.
For those of you who are not Muslims, our greeting is “Al-Salam Alykum†which means “Peaceâ€.
Posted by: Islam at April 08, 2005 03:18 PM (jpCW5)
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Hello Islam, i have a few probs with what you say,first off yes there are extremists in every religion, but "Islam" is the only one that i know of that teaches there young to strap on "Bombs" and to kill "Civilians",dont they believe that if they die in an Islamic cause they go to "Heaven" and get 30 "Virgins"? Also the Jews do kill innocent civilians,but most of the casualties are caused by targeted assinations on "PLO" leadership. Who intentionally move around in large crowds of people. On the other hand the "PLO" and other groups just like them have no problems intentionally targeting civilians, wether it be "Suicide" bombers, or Rockets launched at random into Israel, or someone ambushing and killing a Jewish person walking down the street ( I believe this has even happened to a Mother and her children).
And all of the "Suicide" bombers are young, you never hear of the Old/Middle Aged dying for the cause, to us in the "West" that shows a state of brainwashing your youth!!
As for the "Branch Dividians" in Waco,Texas they were of a radical Cristian faith, but that was a "CULT" more than a Church. David Koresh (spelling?) thought he was Jesus reborn or something, and it was a horrible thing that happened to those people there. I believe the "US.GOV" had more to do with the deaths of those people than they did. David Koresh,was a nut-job but the way the FBI/ATF handeled the case was a travesty.
And what happened in Beslan,Russia was Islamic Fundamentalism at it's worst!! that incident is what brought me to my current frame of mind against Islam!!
And yes "Americans" can get all sorts of news, we have much more choice than the "State" sponsered media in the Islamic World. We hear about Palestinians getting killed by Jews all the time, almost as much as we hear about Jews getting killed by Palestinians.
We hear both sides but all we ever really see is Israel making consessions and the Palestinians never happy, look at the "Oslo Accords" Isreal followed them, the PLO did not. And i do not blame Israel for anything,"Muslims" have been saying "KILL ALL THE JEWS" for decades, and have fought wars(that they should have won)against Israel that they always lose.
So it goes both ways,dont expect to not be killed if you are constantly threatning to kill!!!!
Seriously Muslims, i hope i am giving you something to think about !!!!
And all of the "Suicide" bombers are young, you never hear of the Old/Middle Aged dying for the cause, to us in the "West" that shows a state of brainwashing your youth!!
As for the "Branch Dividians" in Waco,Texas they were of a radical Cristian faith, but that was a "CULT" more than a Church. David Koresh (spelling?) thought he was Jesus reborn or something, and it was a horrible thing that happened to those people there. I believe the "US.GOV" had more to do with the deaths of those people than they did. David Koresh,was a nut-job but the way the FBI/ATF handeled the case was a travesty.
And what happened in Beslan,Russia was Islamic Fundamentalism at it's worst!! that incident is what brought me to my current frame of mind against Islam!!
And yes "Americans" can get all sorts of news, we have much more choice than the "State" sponsered media in the Islamic World. We hear about Palestinians getting killed by Jews all the time, almost as much as we hear about Jews getting killed by Palestinians.
We hear both sides but all we ever really see is Israel making consessions and the Palestinians never happy, look at the "Oslo Accords" Isreal followed them, the PLO did not. And i do not blame Israel for anything,"Muslims" have been saying "KILL ALL THE JEWS" for decades, and have fought wars(that they should have won)against Israel that they always lose.
So it goes both ways,dont expect to not be killed if you are constantly threatning to kill!!!!
Seriously Muslims, i hope i am giving you something to think about !!!!
Posted by: Pop at April 13, 2005 03:42 PM (4cDXM)
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You are not being fare at all Pop. With all respect, talking to you MAY BE like discussing which came first the egg or the chicken. In any case Lets talk facts as you wish. Is Hitler a good man?? How many did he kill and how many died because of him?? You sound to me like a Jewish person, and you may know how bad Hitler was, not only for Jews, but for all humanity. I know for a fact that He is not a Muslim
and he is not an angel also. He lived in the WEST, and was a CHRISTIAN. Does Oklahoma ring a bell??? Who did it?? How many People died in the 1st World War??? Who caused it? what about the 2nd world ware? and where?? In the Middle East? or was it in the heart of the WEST?? What about the Crusades in the middle centuries. Did the Muslims joined forced and moved to Europe to invade it??, do you have any idea or facts about how many did they kill and why because of there HOLY Pops. If you read about how many died in the history of humanity from Prophet Adam, the first man on earth till now, you will find out that most people died because and in the WEST. Did you know that the creators of the State of Israel were on the Terrorist lists of almost all European Nations because of all the killings they have done in the early 1900s, they were then terrorists, and now they are heroes… WOW?? And if you go back to history, While the East was in its top, the western countries were living like animals. In Europe a known practice for them not to shower or take paths (a queen of England used to shower once every 3 months). that’s why the WEST created perfumes to hide the stinky smell they were producing for not cleaning them self. To move from Europe to the Americas, how many American Indians were slaughtered?? Was it by Muslims?? And who celebrate the person of who did and caused all these killings “Christopher Columbus†. Don’t tell me now that he is a Muslim too. What about Japan being bumped with 2 Nuclear bumps (See how much love Westerners have for human life?? Please don’t tell me because of Pearl-Harper). Do you have any idea who created 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 or Algebra, Should I remind you that the numbers you use (1,2,3, ... ) are Arabic? Algebra, Algorithm, and many other mathematical words are also Arabic. Have you ever heard of Ibn Sina and what he did in the medical science and were his books are being thought till now?? Do you know what the Indians (eastern Indians), Chinese, Japanese, Persians, Arabs and many other civilizations did to humanity in the early times in regard to Math, Medicine, Astronomy, Chemistry and in many other fields of knowledge. And because of these old Civilizations the west used this knowledge well and went to the moon and beyond.
I personally and all sane people would agree with me that it will not be fare to blame God (same God for Muslims, Christians and Jews) for what Hitler did. Or what has Sharon did in Lebanon in 82 and beyond. Or for what has happen in the Americas for the Indians, or both world wars, or for all the killings of all victims people in the world, wither they are in Iraq, World Trade Center, Russia or TX-USA, Chechnya, Sudan, West Bank. But blame humans. Blame your self, Blame your closed mind. Blame Media. Blame governments, blame personal interests, and blame corruption. Blame gangs. Blame terrorists.
We, Muslims are in a deep sleep and need to wake up and smell the roses. We have been sleeping for a very long time. Much has passed us. When we were awake we passed everyone in every direction. Its time to wake up Muslims. Its time to join our European neighbors and make earth a better place for everyone.
God is good. God is Great. Know that the God Muslims pray for is the one and only God and is the same God you pray for if you are a good Jew or a good Christian.
Pop, I hope you don’t mind me calling you Ignorant. It came out of love for you. I wish you well! READ. Go to the library and Read what is Islam. Know that Osama is NOT Islam.
and he is not an angel also. He lived in the WEST, and was a CHRISTIAN. Does Oklahoma ring a bell??? Who did it?? How many People died in the 1st World War??? Who caused it? what about the 2nd world ware? and where?? In the Middle East? or was it in the heart of the WEST?? What about the Crusades in the middle centuries. Did the Muslims joined forced and moved to Europe to invade it??, do you have any idea or facts about how many did they kill and why because of there HOLY Pops. If you read about how many died in the history of humanity from Prophet Adam, the first man on earth till now, you will find out that most people died because and in the WEST. Did you know that the creators of the State of Israel were on the Terrorist lists of almost all European Nations because of all the killings they have done in the early 1900s, they were then terrorists, and now they are heroes… WOW?? And if you go back to history, While the East was in its top, the western countries were living like animals. In Europe a known practice for them not to shower or take paths (a queen of England used to shower once every 3 months). that’s why the WEST created perfumes to hide the stinky smell they were producing for not cleaning them self. To move from Europe to the Americas, how many American Indians were slaughtered?? Was it by Muslims?? And who celebrate the person of who did and caused all these killings “Christopher Columbus†. Don’t tell me now that he is a Muslim too. What about Japan being bumped with 2 Nuclear bumps (See how much love Westerners have for human life?? Please don’t tell me because of Pearl-Harper). Do you have any idea who created 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 or Algebra, Should I remind you that the numbers you use (1,2,3, ... ) are Arabic? Algebra, Algorithm, and many other mathematical words are also Arabic. Have you ever heard of Ibn Sina and what he did in the medical science and were his books are being thought till now?? Do you know what the Indians (eastern Indians), Chinese, Japanese, Persians, Arabs and many other civilizations did to humanity in the early times in regard to Math, Medicine, Astronomy, Chemistry and in many other fields of knowledge. And because of these old Civilizations the west used this knowledge well and went to the moon and beyond.
I personally and all sane people would agree with me that it will not be fare to blame God (same God for Muslims, Christians and Jews) for what Hitler did. Or what has Sharon did in Lebanon in 82 and beyond. Or for what has happen in the Americas for the Indians, or both world wars, or for all the killings of all victims people in the world, wither they are in Iraq, World Trade Center, Russia or TX-USA, Chechnya, Sudan, West Bank. But blame humans. Blame your self, Blame your closed mind. Blame Media. Blame governments, blame personal interests, and blame corruption. Blame gangs. Blame terrorists.
We, Muslims are in a deep sleep and need to wake up and smell the roses. We have been sleeping for a very long time. Much has passed us. When we were awake we passed everyone in every direction. Its time to wake up Muslims. Its time to join our European neighbors and make earth a better place for everyone.
God is good. God is Great. Know that the God Muslims pray for is the one and only God and is the same God you pray for if you are a good Jew or a good Christian.
Pop, I hope you don’t mind me calling you Ignorant. It came out of love for you. I wish you well! READ. Go to the library and Read what is Islam. Know that Osama is NOT Islam.
Posted by: Islam at April 14, 2005 11:01 AM (jpCW5)
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I dont see why you are all bitching about something you dont understand. When u judge something you dont understand its makes u pretty fuckin ignorant. But what to expect from typical americans huh? Why dont you americans look at ur past, and how u killed all the native americans for THEIR LAND and how u in slaved the african americans and lynched them just because they where not white. 9/11 is old now, and had nothing to do with Islam. The ppl who pulled it off, just happened to follow islam, that dosent mean all muslims are like that. They made ass's out of all muslims. You fuckin dicks who keep bitching.
Posted by: Bahamut at April 16, 2005 03:12 AM (6krEN)
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Not all americans, but the ones bitching(which is many) are weak, complaining about 9/11. I mean look at all the suffering the american government has casued all over the world. Or do u even know?...probably not...u americans should look in real history books, unbiased history books, and learn your lessons...trust me u will change your ways and thoughts...ha! but for the mean time keep selling ur 9/11 t-shirts and and other 9/11 apparel, make lots of feel good movies and capitalize on 9/11 while u can...i mean thats what u guys seem to be so good at....use it all up use everyone. peace
Posted by: martin at April 16, 2005 07:39 PM (iT8PQ)
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"LOL" here we go again ok where to begin, the discussion we are having is about "Todays current event's. Sure you can use history to show examples of past faults and errors, but this is not a who is worse in history debate.
I give examples of why i am pissed off, i have yet to see many examples countering my points!!
Islam, i am not Jewish, i was born into the Church of England but i am not a religious person. So i do not support any side or faith, i just say it as i see it. I Agree with you the USA is not perfect,and i am in opposition to the current government and it's policies.
Sure people from all over the World have done horrible things not just Westeners, but everyone!!! But my argument is that Islam is not a tolerant religion, i have given you my examples, still waiting to see something that says it is wrong or misguided.
Another example for you Islam/Bahamut/Martin you talked about the USA and slavery, yes they had slavery but it was abolished, I know their are still slave markets and slavery in the Islamic world, And yes "Islam" for centuries Muslims tried to invade Europe,talk to the people in the Balkans and Greece about it!!
Also look at the topic to this post, did the people who killed the pigs, give the owners money for them? are you saying that since Muslims dont eat pork that this act was ok, that is my argument its about "TOLERANCE" and the lack of it that i see in the Islamic World!!!!!
I dont think i am the Ignorant one fellas, i am the one listing facts answering/asking questions and not using Rhetoric or flying off into a Tantrum,because we all know if anyone dares to question Islam,Muslims usually see it as an attack and lose sight of the argument/debate and mostly just go on the offensive.
I give examples of why i am pissed off, i have yet to see many examples countering my points!!
Islam, i am not Jewish, i was born into the Church of England but i am not a religious person. So i do not support any side or faith, i just say it as i see it. I Agree with you the USA is not perfect,and i am in opposition to the current government and it's policies.
Sure people from all over the World have done horrible things not just Westeners, but everyone!!! But my argument is that Islam is not a tolerant religion, i have given you my examples, still waiting to see something that says it is wrong or misguided.
Another example for you Islam/Bahamut/Martin you talked about the USA and slavery, yes they had slavery but it was abolished, I know their are still slave markets and slavery in the Islamic world, And yes "Islam" for centuries Muslims tried to invade Europe,talk to the people in the Balkans and Greece about it!!
Also look at the topic to this post, did the people who killed the pigs, give the owners money for them? are you saying that since Muslims dont eat pork that this act was ok, that is my argument its about "TOLERANCE" and the lack of it that i see in the Islamic World!!!!!
I dont think i am the Ignorant one fellas, i am the one listing facts answering/asking questions and not using Rhetoric or flying off into a Tantrum,because we all know if anyone dares to question Islam,Muslims usually see it as an attack and lose sight of the argument/debate and mostly just go on the offensive.
Posted by: Pop at April 17, 2005 11:47 AM (4cDXM)
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Ur right Pop, BUT have u read the first few post comments,and how they degraded a life style many ppl including myself follow. I was born and rasied in america, i live in Louisiana. My point was im not going to sit here and let these ppl blast my religion, its almost like, someone coming into ur home and slapping ur mother in the face, and im sure if that happened anyone would get on the defence. I was wrong when i blasted "American" because slavery and the rest was in the past and the ppl of today had nothing to do with that, as follows with the Muslims envading Europe, Muslims today had nothing to do with that. Yet the ones who are killing and killed those pigs, make the rest of us (muslims) look bad, Like the catholic church and the ones who molested those children. Because one person or persons fucked up dosent mean all the rest are the same. Just because 9/11 happened dosent mean all Muslims where happy that day. Those ppl make us look bad. But as we seem ppl are VERY quick to point the finger, more so during war time. But for that i'll continue pointing my finger at Bush. Im not trying to jump on a band wagon, but the simple shit i see that he's done,""correct me if im wrong"" Osama attacks america, We go after Sadam, to liberate the ppl under his law. While just 90 miles south of america is Cuba. Castro is no different, why dont we save them.Is it cause their not suffering enough? or is there something much deeper than that?Fuck while we're at it why dont we back of send more troops to help NATO in East Africa. Those tribes are still killing each other while the ones in the middle still starve. But again those are bad muslims making us look bad. Damn, i went way off the subject.
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Ok, i see what you are saying (dont know if this will sound better or worse,lol)but i am not attacking Islam at all.I am just not a "Religious" person,this does not mean that i am not a "Spiritual" person,i am just not for Organized religion, but that is for another debate.
In anycase to me it is more of an "Islamic" cultural problem,than a problem with the "Religion" of "Islam". As i have stated in previous posts, i dont understand the how so many young people in the "Islamic Culture" kill themselves on behalf of their religion/beliefs and why the Older generation does nothing to stop it, in fact they incourage it and even teach it.
I believe in Saudi Arabia among others, they have schools called "Madras"(spelling?)that teaches quite a bit of Intolerance as well as the whole you get 30 virgins if you die for Islam type stuff.
To me growing up in the West it is so hard to fathom, why people are so willing to give up their lives? In the West we believe life is precious and that it should not be thrown away so easily(even though it may not seem so some times). To me it seems the afterlife is more important to Muslims than the hear&now.
As for Castro, lol he is a tricky son of a gun!!! I would not be surprised if he kept 1 or 2 of those Russian nukes from the 60's as a trump card against the US, and if he did you know he let em know about it! Also rumor has it that Cuba may/may not,have some nasty WMD's. But we all know how to take inteligance nowadays right!!! ( "Cough"-Iraq)
And yes it sickens me that the UN/Nato/World Community-G8,will go to War/support war over a tiny mideast country like Kuwait because of Money/Oil. While letting "HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS" of people die in a single conflict like the "Rwandan,Genocide". Mostly because of the color of their skin, we should all be sad about things like that all of us, because no one, not Christian power base's or Jewish or Muslim,even non-religious base's,no one did anything to stop it.
In anycase to me it is more of an "Islamic" cultural problem,than a problem with the "Religion" of "Islam". As i have stated in previous posts, i dont understand the how so many young people in the "Islamic Culture" kill themselves on behalf of their religion/beliefs and why the Older generation does nothing to stop it, in fact they incourage it and even teach it.
I believe in Saudi Arabia among others, they have schools called "Madras"(spelling?)that teaches quite a bit of Intolerance as well as the whole you get 30 virgins if you die for Islam type stuff.
To me growing up in the West it is so hard to fathom, why people are so willing to give up their lives? In the West we believe life is precious and that it should not be thrown away so easily(even though it may not seem so some times). To me it seems the afterlife is more important to Muslims than the hear&now.
As for Castro, lol he is a tricky son of a gun!!! I would not be surprised if he kept 1 or 2 of those Russian nukes from the 60's as a trump card against the US, and if he did you know he let em know about it! Also rumor has it that Cuba may/may not,have some nasty WMD's. But we all know how to take inteligance nowadays right!!! ( "Cough"-Iraq)
And yes it sickens me that the UN/Nato/World Community-G8,will go to War/support war over a tiny mideast country like Kuwait because of Money/Oil. While letting "HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS" of people die in a single conflict like the "Rwandan,Genocide". Mostly because of the color of their skin, we should all be sad about things like that all of us, because no one, not Christian power base's or Jewish or Muslim,even non-religious base's,no one did anything to stop it.
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The thing about willing to die for something you STRONGLY believe in. Thats why Muslims over there do what they do. When you grow up in a house that hates a country with all its heart,and the normal supper talk is bombing or killing americans. Thats like breeding a killing machine. teaching that to a child as he/she grows only makes it that more powerful to them. They do it because in their heart they believe it is right. I blame them but at the same time I dont, its what they are being brainwashed with. Its basicly all they know, and to a Muslim its not so much as the afterlife. It just obeying what Allah tells us to do. If you love someone with all your heart your going to do things they ask you to do, even if you dont like, ur stil going to do it, to show them love and respect. The older generation is the same as the new. Its what they where told as a child and it is all they know, so they teach it to their children and so forth. It will most likly never become a broken cycle. But us, (the good) ones all we can do is teach our children, to forgive your enemies, and try and work together to better support one another. Untill then theres going to be those who are going to die and those who are already dead, it will be a long journey, but as they say "every journey begins with a single step".
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Ok,ummm where to begin, Why do people in Islamic Countries hate the West so much? ( please include examples!!)And i find it very disturbing that families sit around the dinner table and discuss the best way to martyr their children.
And it seems to be the cowardly adults who are feeding hate to their children, they never martyered themselves for Islam, they need their kids to do it,i guess Allah did not tell them to do it?
And i think there is so much hate towards the West in the Islamic World, because of the "State run Media" people in the Islamic World get told what their Dictatorships want to tell them,unless you have a computer or say the BBC, i dont think you would be getting much truth, just Propaganda if you will.
As for Allah telling people stuff that always makes me laugh, Christians and Jews do the same thing!! All Religions were created by man. none of the Gods out there have every really spoke to anyone( though some will say God speaks to individuals) these same people will also kill on behalf of their God, do you really think any God would tell anyone to kill people?? It is just an ancient excuse used by people who have no other reason to kill people other than their Religious beliefs.
Ty Bahamut for proving the Intolerance of Islam for us as well as the fact that we are not responsible for creating these monsters, but it is Islamic culture that continues to breed them, thru Ignorance and Intollerance.
And it seems to be the cowardly adults who are feeding hate to their children, they never martyered themselves for Islam, they need their kids to do it,i guess Allah did not tell them to do it?
And i think there is so much hate towards the West in the Islamic World, because of the "State run Media" people in the Islamic World get told what their Dictatorships want to tell them,unless you have a computer or say the BBC, i dont think you would be getting much truth, just Propaganda if you will.
As for Allah telling people stuff that always makes me laugh, Christians and Jews do the same thing!! All Religions were created by man. none of the Gods out there have every really spoke to anyone( though some will say God speaks to individuals) these same people will also kill on behalf of their God, do you really think any God would tell anyone to kill people?? It is just an ancient excuse used by people who have no other reason to kill people other than their Religious beliefs.
Ty Bahamut for proving the Intolerance of Islam for us as well as the fact that we are not responsible for creating these monsters, but it is Islamic culture that continues to breed them, thru Ignorance and Intollerance.
Posted by: Pop at April 24, 2005 06:09 PM (4cDXM)
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Not all muslims are terrorists? However, 100% of terrorists are muslim. Death to all muslims. May their dead cold bodies be wrapped in pig skin and buried face down, so that according to their filthy religion, their souls go straight to hell. Burn their mosques and kill them all.
You wanna reach out and touch your god ala, you muslim pig? Then stick your finger up your asshole, because that's where your ala exists.
Attila the Hun did it the right way. He killed and impaled so many muslims that an army of muslims who saw this described it as a literal forest as far as you could see of impaled muslim pigs. They were so horrified, and full of fear that they quickly retreated back to their sand dunes, and camel fucking orgies.
I love this quote by Ann Coulter. "Invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them all to Christianity." -Ann Coulter
You wanna reach out and touch your god ala, you muslim pig? Then stick your finger up your asshole, because that's where your ala exists.
Attila the Hun did it the right way. He killed and impaled so many muslims that an army of muslims who saw this described it as a literal forest as far as you could see of impaled muslim pigs. They were so horrified, and full of fear that they quickly retreated back to their sand dunes, and camel fucking orgies.
I love this quote by Ann Coulter. "Invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them all to Christianity." -Ann Coulter
Posted by: Rob at April 27, 2005 08:11 PM (pO1tP)
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"COUGH" wow rather dusty in here!!!!!
Guess ya stumped em Rob?? Maybe you were a little to radical and they agree with you lol?
Hehe,not all Muslims are Terrorists but 100% of Terrorists are Muslims, never really thought about that but wow your right!!
And sheesh Ann what are you smoking, all we would have if we converted Islam to Christianity, is a Bunch of Christian Suicide bombers who would feel bad after they blew themselves up!
Guess ya stumped em Rob?? Maybe you were a little to radical and they agree with you lol?
Hehe,not all Muslims are Terrorists but 100% of Terrorists are Muslims, never really thought about that but wow your right!!
And sheesh Ann what are you smoking, all we would have if we converted Islam to Christianity, is a Bunch of Christian Suicide bombers who would feel bad after they blew themselves up!
Posted by: Pop at May 04, 2005 12:11 AM (4cDXM)
October 19, 2004
Paris Hilton Endorses Kerry
Gordito the Cranky Neocon is just funny.
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Hmmm...
Posted by: Professor Peter Von Nostrand at October 19, 2004 04:45 PM (62QDG)
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She'll change her mind when she realizes the taxes go up. Either that or daddy will bitch slap her.
Posted by: greyrooster at October 24, 2004 06:33 AM (CBNGy)
October 06, 2004
Asian Athlete Marries Hot Supermodel
Golf legend Tiger Woods, America's most famous Asian athlete, marries Swedish supermodel Elin Nordegren in Barbados. News here. Images and pictures of Elin Nordegren here.
I think Tiger must have just got through reading this book.
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Asian Athlete? Who says? Tiger is AMERICAN - part black, part asian. His father, like many others during the Vietnam war, met and married a Japanese Woman and out of the two came Tiger - actually Eldridge Woods. His father is an American. His mother is now an American. He is an American - not an Asian. He also lives in Orlands Florida where he has his own house, etc.
Asian? Who the hell would call Tiger Asian?? FT!
Asian? Who the hell would call Tiger Asian?? FT!
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at October 06, 2004 01:26 PM (D39Vm)
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Ok now ya done gone and upset me again.. hahaa
Wood's Asian... I think NOT!!!! Last info gram I heard about Tiger Woods was from the African American sector Letting EVERYONE know how proud they were of "THIER BOY" for his achievements for the BROTHERHOOD... And you Don't even want to start me on that subject!!!
I am still around dropping in from time to time to catch up on the NEWS....
And what the hell is TPS Reports....
Andrea
Wood's Asian... I think NOT!!!! Last info gram I heard about Tiger Woods was from the African American sector Letting EVERYONE know how proud they were of "THIER BOY" for his achievements for the BROTHERHOOD... And you Don't even want to start me on that subject!!!
I am still around dropping in from time to time to catch up on the NEWS....
And what the hell is TPS Reports....
Andrea
Posted by: Andrea at October 06, 2004 01:38 PM (PcgQk)
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Tiger is half asian/half black. It's actually a reference to a King of the Hill episode.
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at October 06, 2004 01:40 PM (JQjhA)
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Time for a few facts, folks:
Tiger's first name is Eldrick ( http://www.tigerwoods.com/aboutme/bio.sps?sid=825&lid=1&aid=0 )
His mother, Kultida (Tida for short) is Thai, and pure Thai as far as anyone knows. That alone makes Tiger 50% Asian for demographic purposes.
His father, Earl, is like many Americans, descended from a mix of nationalities, including Irish, Scot, Native American, African American and Jamaican.
Tiger and his new bride Elin were introduced by Swedish golfer Jesper Parnevik, for whom Elin was an au pair (live-in babysitter). The Parneviks have often stated dismay at the attention given Tiger and Elin's relationship. Would anyone be gabbing if Tiger were David Duval or Justin Leonard or Sergio Garcia?
As to the support of Tiger by the African American community, always remember that, purely because of his skin color, Tiger would not be allowed to play some courses where his Thai cousins would be welcome because they didn't look "black."
Is his African heritage important to him? Sure. Aren't your ancestors important to you?
Tiger's first name is Eldrick ( http://www.tigerwoods.com/aboutme/bio.sps?sid=825&lid=1&aid=0 )
His mother, Kultida (Tida for short) is Thai, and pure Thai as far as anyone knows. That alone makes Tiger 50% Asian for demographic purposes.
His father, Earl, is like many Americans, descended from a mix of nationalities, including Irish, Scot, Native American, African American and Jamaican.
Tiger and his new bride Elin were introduced by Swedish golfer Jesper Parnevik, for whom Elin was an au pair (live-in babysitter). The Parneviks have often stated dismay at the attention given Tiger and Elin's relationship. Would anyone be gabbing if Tiger were David Duval or Justin Leonard or Sergio Garcia?
As to the support of Tiger by the African American community, always remember that, purely because of his skin color, Tiger would not be allowed to play some courses where his Thai cousins would be welcome because they didn't look "black."
Is his African heritage important to him? Sure. Aren't your ancestors important to you?
Posted by: Aaron at October 06, 2004 03:46 PM (kv6+c)
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Can I just add that you all are taking this way too seriously. Bottom line: funny.
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Bottom line: the links to the model are blocked by my work's security filters. And the chick on the book cover does nothing for me, she looks like a refugee from the Lifetime network -- more like what women THINK men think is sexy rather than what we actually do.
Posted by: Brian B at October 06, 2004 05:29 PM (OnnW3)
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She's a model who's mother was gunned down last year in Sweden. Tiger considers himself African American, I guess. I have a six foot framed photo right in front of me along with his signature. My friend came back from Vietnam with a Thai wife and Tiger couldn't play some places not because his mother was Thai but because his father was black and he's black. Which is also why he works so much with black kids in the United States. His foundations cover Japanese and English - Japan and the United States. I don't know about the Thai bit since he has his own bio and I happen to get newsletters from him on a regular basis and watch him weekly, but I imagine his father met his mother in Japan at the base and brought her home when he came home. If you see his Dad, he is a big, heavyset Black guy.
Sometimes when you say it's a joke, it's not a joke because the last thing that Tiger is.....is Asian.
~C
Sometimes when you say it's a joke, it's not a joke because the last thing that Tiger is.....is Asian.
~C
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at October 06, 2004 07:03 PM (D39Vm)
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Yeah, but is she hot? I mean, "Swedish Supermodel" says hot to me, but since I can't get to the DAMNED LINK!
And I dare say that she's less concerned with his ethnicity than she is with his talent with his putter.
And I dare say that she's less concerned with his ethnicity than she is with his talent with his putter.
Posted by: Brian B at October 06, 2004 07:40 PM (OnnW3)
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You are probably right, Brian. It's the person that counts, not his ethnicity. You wanted to know if she was hot? Yeah, she is very much so. If you ever watch golf on weekends when Tiger plays, you'll see shots of her because she's always there and they always put the camera on her. They will make a very handsome couple. She is quite beautiful.
putter, huh?
~C
putter, huh?
~C
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at October 07, 2004 12:09 AM (D39Vm)
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Racism???? is that popular here too apart from the blind belief of the Neocons!!!!!!
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By the way, Rusty — were you aware that Elin has a twin sister? Who also happens to be single?
(Like such things matter to a 48-year-old married father of five)
(Like such things matter to a 48-year-old married father of five)
Posted by: Boyd at October 07, 2004 08:48 PM (VeBwJ)
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Brian,
I only get worked up when something is stupid. You should know me better than that by now.
When it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, acts like a duck, then you know it's a duck. When someone tries to hard to make a joke, it's not a joke. Best bet is to leave it alone.
~Cindy
I only get worked up when something is stupid. You should know me better than that by now.
When it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, acts like a duck, then you know it's a duck. When someone tries to hard to make a joke, it's not a joke. Best bet is to leave it alone.
~Cindy
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at October 08, 2004 12:16 AM (D39Vm)
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Asian man? black Man? He's a green man. Ever heard of a blonde supermodel marrying a poor asian man or poor black man. It's the person that counts all right. The person that counts the green. I just told my friend Charlie: Hey Charlie they're calling Tiger Woods asian on the internet. Charlie's comment: he must be playing poorly. I wish them both happiness. but stay real.
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To Cindy (firstbrokenangel):
I have no idea where you got the idea about Elin's mother being gunned down.
She's actually a cabinetmember in the swedish government.
And I really don't know about Supermodel either, she's done som swimsuit jobs, but I wouldn't call her a Supermodel.
/Jonas
I have no idea where you got the idea about Elin's mother being gunned down.
She's actually a cabinetmember in the swedish government.
And I really don't know about Supermodel either, she's done som swimsuit jobs, but I wouldn't call her a Supermodel.
/Jonas
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Andrea <---- is NOT racist..... She hates everybody.... hahahaha Oh and while I am here again....lol I will add I look just like the woman in the photograph..... LMAO My body is so ugly I have to take a shower in the dark.... And I am so broke I can't even buy my own mothers love.... Thank Gawd I have an education... lol
Posted by: Andrea at October 08, 2004 03:18 PM (hoo48)
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Honestly, I've read some of that book and it should be called how to predate on doltish white women. Or how to 5 F white women, of course that would make most people repulsed but never judge this book on its cover, read it to get really sick. Image a book written on "how to 5 F any asian female." You'd see everyone stand up and howl about it being a sick, sexist and racist manifesto.
Posted by: Andre at October 10, 2004 11:17 PM (hD5mx)
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Fortunately young Mr. Woods was raised in an atmosphereunlike that of the hypersensitive people commenting here, the colorblind atmosphere of those who bet their lives on their comrades.
All I know is the rough jokes among the men I served with in a rifle platoon would make most of the commenters here retreat with the vapors.
I know something else, though, the two good looking and superbly healthy couple under discussion will make some damned good lookin' kids.
All I know is the rough jokes among the men I served with in a rifle platoon would make most of the commenters here retreat with the vapors.
I know something else, though, the two good looking and superbly healthy couple under discussion will make some damned good lookin' kids.
Posted by: Peter at October 12, 2004 01:31 PM (AaBEz)
September 06, 2004
China Cracks Down on Porn
Ok, I'm not a big fan of porn but if liberty means anything it is that one ought to be able to choose, even when such choices are wrong. Morality is meaningless without the option of choosing the bad. Anyway, now I know why the Dalai Lama is so pissed about Chinese oppression. I mean, what else are a bunch of celibates going to do for fun? From Xinhuanet:
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With the lamentable state of Chinese sex education it is foolish. But China often engages in morality campaigns.
Posted by: Simon at September 07, 2004 04:37 AM (OyeEA)
Posted by: Brian B at September 07, 2004 10:09 AM (OnnW3)
August 31, 2004
Jessica Cutler, Butt Ugly
The thing about Jessica Cutler posing nude in Playboy is, well, she's just not that attractive. In fact she's butt ugly. Don't they have, like, airbrushes or something to fix that? Ok, no more Washingtonienne posts. I promise...er, at least not until the Hustler pictoral, cause, well, you know.....
[My eyes!! They burn!!! Damn you Kevin for the link]
UPDATE: Yikes!! What some people will do for hits. (NSFW--I'd also recommend not looking, ever. Seriously)
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Butt ugly... Heh heh. I get it. Butt ugly. Stop you make me laugh too hard.
Posted by: The Maximum Leader at August 31, 2004 04:03 PM (MY69e)
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uglier than a dime's worth of dog meat.
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One in ten will get the butt of the 'butt' reference! Kudos.
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Her eyes are set too close together, like pig eyes.
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Has Ace seen this yet? Yeah, but no one was looking at her eyes.......
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The peanut gallery weighs in.
Some of these comments are quite amusing. My favorite so far:
Jerry: "She had manface, the face of a man."
Elaine: "Would you prefer it if she had no face?"
Some of these comments are quite amusing. My favorite so far:
Jerry: "She had manface, the face of a man."
Elaine: "Would you prefer it if she had no face?"
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LOL! I said this a couple weeks ago when WAPO did the article. Doesnt it scare you Rusty when I start agreeing with you so damned much?
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Yep, it's why she relied on her butt so much....
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I was getting them anyway. I did that post on cutler back when the Washington Post article came out. Today it was getting a ton of google hits for "Jessica Cutler" and such, so I just gave the masses what they wanted.
You know me, I aim to please.
You know me, I aim to please.
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Uh..did you post the same "don't they have airbrushes" comment EVERYWHERE you could? Exactly what is your agenda against Miss Cutler? I know you and Michele Malkin are jealous, but come on!
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August 27, 2004
Vote Norm Coleman!!
Click for bigger pics. 
Mrs. Norm Coleman (R-MN)
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Mrs. Norm Coleman (R-MN)
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Gah . . . gah . . . gah . . . gah . . . gah . . . [repeat ad infinitum, with jaw appropriately slackened]
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Drool
Posted by: Brian B at August 27, 2004 10:20 AM (OnnW3)
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That's why Mondale lost.
Posted by: Gordon at August 27, 2004 12:16 PM (7sq4M)
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And notice she has a martini in her hand, not some liberal modern wannabe cocktail. I bet her husband drinks his single malt neat.
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Nice
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Men! You getting to be a dirty old man, too, Rusty? :-)
Posted by: firstbrokenangel at August 27, 2004 05:50 PM (D39Vm)
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Something about polka dots . . . makes me want to nuzzle her nozzle
Posted by: Horlix at August 27, 2004 06:26 PM (YvD45)
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What the heck, if voting is a popularity contest, why pretend - or do we all admire her policy?
Posted by: David Weisman at August 27, 2004 08:17 PM (1VPIi)
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Santa Maria !!!
Posted by: mike at August 27, 2004 10:09 PM (ac5ml)
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Too damned skinny.
Posted by: Dean Esmay at August 28, 2004 02:26 AM (ciwrC)
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Some of us heartily approve of her choice of beverage ...
Posted by: MartiniPundit at August 28, 2004 03:41 PM (fLdsW)
Posted by: RS at August 28, 2004 05:01 PM (JQjhA)
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Hell, even the Republican women who aren't sexy are at the very least CLASSY -- look at Nancy Reagan, or either of the Bush wives.
Posted by: Brian B at August 30, 2004 12:42 PM (OnnW3)
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Some of us heartily approve of her choice of beverage ...
I hope you don't think I was disparaging her choice. While I don't like martinis, I respect them. Hell, I'm told I make a damned good one, especially dirty ones. The point is, it's a REAL drink, like Scotch or beer.
I hope you don't think I was disparaging her choice. While I don't like martinis, I respect them. Hell, I'm told I make a damned good one, especially dirty ones. The point is, it's a REAL drink, like Scotch or beer.
Posted by: Brian B at August 30, 2004 07:37 PM (OnnW3)
August 21, 2004
Congrats to Simon!!
Blog buddy and Imperial Undersecretary of Asian Affairs (Hong Kong Bureau), Simon, has had a new baby!! Congratulations!!
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August 09, 2004
When Women Were Women
Decadent capitalist Dean Esmay has been having quite a bit of fun over a report by the Instapundit on the merits of porn.
After careful examination of the pics Dean linked to I can definitely say that none of them can even compare to the beauty of Fay Wray. Alas, the world will be a lesser place in her absence. Via Jeff Quinton, I learned of her demise. Unlike Dean's, my tribute is safe for work. *sigh* I long for the days when women were women and apes were a thinly veiled metaphor for the lustful nature of men.
Fay Wray 1907-2004. RIP. more...
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Fay Wray was Canadian. Since you established that all Canadians were metrosexual earlier, I am left to assume that youm like John Kerry, may be all the way gay.
Posted by: Senator PhilABuster at August 10, 2004 05:08 AM (yucew)
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Gay? Maybe. But not ALL the way. Besides, there's good gay and bad gay. This is clearly the latter.
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LOL. So you think it is the latter RS?
That clinches it! You ARE all the way, John Edwards gay.
As for me, I would have gone with the FORMER. It's good gay in the sense that lipstick lesbians can be good gay.
That clinches it! You ARE all the way, John Edwards gay.
As for me, I would have gone with the FORMER. It's good gay in the sense that lipstick lesbians can be good gay.
Posted by: Senator PhilABuster at August 10, 2004 05:25 PM (UHfuz)
Posted by: RS at August 10, 2004 05:26 PM (JQjhA)
Planned Parenthood Superhero: 'Choice Chick'
I have a feeling she won't make the cut down at the Hall of Super-Best Friends. This is too funny to even comment on. However, notice that she wears glasses while in her superhero uniform--the exact opposite of those symbols of patriarchal oppression Superman and Spiderman, who wear glasses to conceal their true identities.
PS: Just when we thought PP couldn't get any sillier.....
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July 27, 2004
Is Massachussettes More Liberal Than France?
Gay Marriage + France + Lawyers.....Hillarity ensues. BBC NEWS (Via No Pasaran).
France's first gay marriage, which was conducted last month by a local mayor, has been annulled by a court. The tribunal in Bordeaux declared the marriage of Stephane Chapin and Bertrand Charpentier "null and void".Am I ashamed that courts in France are more responsible than courts in the US at correctly interpreting fundamental law? Yes.
So where will all those America haters go now that France has joined the 'right-wing' at upholding the traditional definition of marriage? more...
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You are Homophobic to say the least.
In the United States of America there is a clear protection that religion and state (politics) do
not mix. It very much means that Americans have the freedom to believe and live by any
religion they wish. It also protects people from religious doctrine if they don't choose to
believe in it.
When the United States tells gay couples they cannot be legally married it is based on a
religious doctrine and by enforcing it, the United Stated commits Religious tyranny on a
weaker, smaller group of Americans. This is illegal.
Religion and a belief of a single God is a philosophy and a theory, it has never been proven.
It was devised to keep civilization in check by instilling fear of eternal reprimand and
punishment if one was to sway from a certain doctrine of order. The bible is very sexist and
antiwomen and anyone who actually read it would see that. I have read it numerous times
and I agree with many scholars that there are many contradictions in it. As someone said to
me once, "the bible has caused more wars, more grief, more distruction, more pain, more
hatred and more chaos in the world than anything else." If this life is the only one anyone
will every have, then what a great injustice is it to write laws that take away freedoms from
some and give it to others especially, in the most important area in a persons life, marriage.
People don’t take insults or in that area very well. Would you?
I love the way the conservative Republicans say liberals to the left> tolerate the gay lifestyle.
Give me a break. One day Americans won't tolerate double standards. Just as slavery was
abolished, so will the government and state oppressions of Americans who simply fall in
love and choose to grow old with another adult who happens to wear the same exact sex
organs. Yikes!! What a concept. I have always found it amazing that a woman who is
deathly afraid of snakes could ever lay naked with a man with an erect projectile.
or a "snake in the grass" as I call it. More power to them. I'll stick to being Spiritual over
religious and I'll stick to chasing after butterflies.
One day America will be great again. She will find her way back. She will not spend ALL of
our money playing with remote control cars on mars or trying to see if two snowflakes are
alike. She will stop spinning around with her huge head and will come back down to earth
and will take care of her own first. One day bigotry of any kind will not be tolerated.
One day the gay community will have the greatest Constitutional scholars and the smartest
lawyers of all time to defend them and sue the United States government. We will have all
these freedoms given to us and will be very wealthy Americans for our struggles. We will be
legally married one day IN THIS COUNTRY and people will have to look the other way or
move out if they dot like it. ALL AMERICANS will be TREATED EQUAL AND HAVE
THE SAME FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS , no two ways about it. The bible and religiously
brainwashed people can stay in the closet where they belong. The world will be a more
peaceful place after that.
Thank you and good day.
In the United States of America there is a clear protection that religion and state (politics) do
not mix. It very much means that Americans have the freedom to believe and live by any
religion they wish. It also protects people from religious doctrine if they don't choose to
believe in it.
When the United States tells gay couples they cannot be legally married it is based on a
religious doctrine and by enforcing it, the United Stated commits Religious tyranny on a
weaker, smaller group of Americans. This is illegal.
Religion and a belief of a single God is a philosophy and a theory, it has never been proven.
It was devised to keep civilization in check by instilling fear of eternal reprimand and
punishment if one was to sway from a certain doctrine of order. The bible is very sexist and
antiwomen and anyone who actually read it would see that. I have read it numerous times
and I agree with many scholars that there are many contradictions in it. As someone said to
me once, "the bible has caused more wars, more grief, more distruction, more pain, more
hatred and more chaos in the world than anything else." If this life is the only one anyone
will every have, then what a great injustice is it to write laws that take away freedoms from
some and give it to others especially, in the most important area in a persons life, marriage.
People don’t take insults or in that area very well. Would you?
I love the way the conservative Republicans say liberals to the left> tolerate the gay lifestyle.
Give me a break. One day Americans won't tolerate double standards. Just as slavery was
abolished, so will the government and state oppressions of Americans who simply fall in
love and choose to grow old with another adult who happens to wear the same exact sex
organs. Yikes!! What a concept. I have always found it amazing that a woman who is
deathly afraid of snakes could ever lay naked with a man with an erect projectile.
or a "snake in the grass" as I call it. More power to them. I'll stick to being Spiritual over
religious and I'll stick to chasing after butterflies.
One day America will be great again. She will find her way back. She will not spend ALL of
our money playing with remote control cars on mars or trying to see if two snowflakes are
alike. She will stop spinning around with her huge head and will come back down to earth
and will take care of her own first. One day bigotry of any kind will not be tolerated.
One day the gay community will have the greatest Constitutional scholars and the smartest
lawyers of all time to defend them and sue the United States government. We will have all
these freedoms given to us and will be very wealthy Americans for our struggles. We will be
legally married one day IN THIS COUNTRY and people will have to look the other way or
move out if they dot like it. ALL AMERICANS will be TREATED EQUAL AND HAVE
THE SAME FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS , no two ways about it. The bible and religiously
brainwashed people can stay in the closet where they belong. The world will be a more
peaceful place after that.
Thank you and good day.
Posted by: homophobic to say the least...ahem. at January 23, 2005 12:22 PM (ywZa8)
July 26, 2004
Senator Amidala: Traitor Revealed at Last
Via Michelle Malkin.
Do I even have to say it? Yes. Told you so!! more...
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Now when I fast-forward through her scenes it'll be for more than the fact that she couldn't act her way out of a wet paper bag.
I mean, she's a really, REALLY horrible actress.
Just awful.
[shudders]
I hope Lucas dies a painful death. Or at least stops directing movies. Or casting them. Or writing scripts for them. Or, really, having anything to do with them outside of funding special effects projects.
To sum up: Natalie Portman - wooden, inconvincing, probably a retard. George Lucas - gets his marching orders from Satan.
I mean, she's a really, REALLY horrible actress.
Just awful.
[shudders]
I hope Lucas dies a painful death. Or at least stops directing movies. Or casting them. Or writing scripts for them. Or, really, having anything to do with them outside of funding special effects projects.
To sum up: Natalie Portman - wooden, inconvincing, probably a retard. George Lucas - gets his marching orders from Satan.
Posted by: ccwbass at July 26, 2004 09:11 PM (qg4dU)
Posted by: lucasux at August 25, 2004 09:35 PM (a5i3T)
July 20, 2004
Rusty Shackleford 3.0
Dr. Rusty Shackleford and Mrs. Nancy Shackleford announce the release of the latest version of their software, RS v. 3.0.
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Posted by: Random Penseur at July 21, 2004 02:29 AM (X3Lfs)
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He's not cute, he's all squashy-looking. All newborns look like Winston Churchill.
Give him a week or two, and then he'll start being cute.
Don't tell Mrs. Rusty I said that!
Give him a week or two, and then he'll start being cute.
Don't tell Mrs. Rusty I said that!
Posted by: Pixy Misa at July 21, 2004 05:27 AM (kOqZ6)
Posted by: spacemonkey at July 21, 2004 05:47 AM (qSKHX)
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Congratulations on your latest release! Looks like all the bugs were worked out, as well.
Babies. *squishy mom-face* *sigh*
Babies. *squishy mom-face* *sigh*
Posted by: Emma at July 21, 2004 07:28 AM (NOZuy)
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VEry big congrats to all. It looks like he's thinking about his new blog...
Posted by: Simon at July 21, 2004 08:51 AM (OyeEA)
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Yay! Congrats to all - even you but especially to those who did the *real* work
- and best wishes for the future.
- and best wishes for the future.Posted by: Ted at July 21, 2004 09:38 AM (ZjSa7)
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Thanks all!!
Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at July 21, 2004 03:17 PM (JQjhA)
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Congratulations! I think the little bag of drool is adorable.
Posted by: Gordon at July 21, 2004 03:32 PM (7sq4M)
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Congratulations!
Posted by: James Bradley at July 21, 2004 04:05 PM (rP4OC)
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Congratulations! Yup, cute baby. Ours is due in May, I hope you don't mind if I need to trade war stories with you!
Posted by: Brian B at July 21, 2004 04:44 PM (OnnW3)
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Many congratulations. As a man who also has a little one around the house, watch out for stinky diapers and spraying urine.
Cheers to you and Mrs.
Cheers to you and Mrs.
Posted by: The Maximum Leader at July 21, 2004 04:59 PM (pbJgk)
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Rusty,
Got your email, accidentally deleted it. This will be our first. Try the new address I just used, I get email more easily there.
Got your email, accidentally deleted it. This will be our first. Try the new address I just used, I get email more easily there.
Posted by: Brian B at July 21, 2004 05:34 PM (OnnW3)
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Oh, and you do realize, as much as I like you, if I have a daughter, your son (or any other little sack of hormones) ain't going near her till she's 30.
Posted by: Brian B at July 21, 2004 05:35 PM (OnnW3)
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Congrats on the latest upgrade! (Oh, and on the new site too.) Changing diapers is FUN!
Posted by: Robert the Llama Butcher at July 21, 2004 08:40 PM (XQmyz)
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Well done! Bravo!
Here's to doing it without any patches or upgrades!
Nice work on the site! I am quite happy to have helped you do nothing so successfully.
And an extra big huzzah to she-who-carried-the-hatchling!
Here's to doing it without any patches or upgrades!
Nice work on the site! I am quite happy to have helped you do nothing so successfully.
And an extra big huzzah to she-who-carried-the-hatchling!
Posted by: Bravo Romeo Delta at July 21, 2004 09:46 PM (9X/fX)
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I'm so happy for you and the world. Tell Mrs. Rusty: Good Job Lady! Thanks for giving me this huge smile. God bless us, every one.
Posted by: Jane at July 22, 2004 02:08 AM (PcgQk)
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Well done and congratulations... but remember Design and Development are the easy parts. Any software pro will tell you that User Acceptance Testing and Deployment are where it gets difficult.
Posted by: Publius at July 22, 2004 02:48 AM (ChTtX)
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So that's what Jawas look like. Congratulations!
Posted by: Allah at July 23, 2004 04:06 AM (EeR5C)
Posted by: The Commissar at July 23, 2004 02:11 PM (FHWvc)
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congratulations rusty
Posted by: rumcrook at July 25, 2004 04:17 PM (s6c4t)
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Rusty:
My congratulations as well. I heard the other day that having a child improves everything you do, so I guess that amounts to an upgrade for you, to Rusty version 2.1.
My congratulations as well. I heard the other day that having a child improves everything you do, so I guess that amounts to an upgrade for you, to Rusty version 2.1.
Posted by: Scott at July 27, 2004 04:12 PM (MBj6F)
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Congratulations on an adorable little Jawa.
Soon enough he'll be pullin' apart errant R2 units.
God bless you.
Soon enough he'll be pullin' apart errant R2 units.
God bless you.
Posted by: Rtfm at July 31, 2004 03:57 AM (OtwUl)
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