The Timesonline, without citing a source, reports that the man shot dead as he fled police and jumped onto a tube carriage was not carrying explosives:

It is understood that he was found not to have been carrying a bomb.

Three officers had followed him to Stockwell station after he emerged from a nearby house that police believed to be connected with Thursday’s attempted bombings.

The suspect, described as being of Asian appearance and wearing a thick, bulky jacket, vaulted over a ticket barrier when challenged by police and ran down the escalator and along the platform of the Northern Line.

Dan Copeland, a Northern Line passenger, told BBC News: “The man burst in through the carriage door to my right and grabbed hold of the pole and a person by the glass partition near the door, diagonally opposite me.

Police are describing him as an “intimate accomplice of the cell”. His name and address were thought to have been found among the possessions left by the would-be bombers on Thursday.

Police sources said he did not live at the address from which he had been followed.

A man shot dead by police hunting the bombers behind Thursday's London attacks was unconnected to the incidents, police have confirmed.

A Scotland Yard statement said the shooting was a "tragedy" which was regretted by the Metropolitan Police.

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1 The dumbass got "Darwined". All he had to do was let them do a quick search and he would have been on his way, but nooooo, he had to run. He was probably on his way to pick up a bomb. Serves the moron right.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 23, 2005 12:07 PM (0yYS2)

2 The guy was followed by 3 plain-clothed officers, then he started running because 3 people were following him. He probably thought they were thugs. The police likes to say he didn't obey their instructions but failed to mention what they were...
"Oi Paki get the f*ck down!"...?
I would not be surprised. Then they lunge onto him and pump 5 bullets into his head, when all they had to do was handcuff him, search him and question him. Looks like the police got trigger happy.

Posted by: John at July 23, 2005 12:33 PM (Ua699)

3 >>>"Looks like the police got trigger happy."

trigger happy is the only reasonable way to be when you're hunting suicide bombers. I agree with IM, the guy got darwined.

Posted by: Carlos at July 23, 2005 12:37 PM (8e/V4)

4 John: are we to assume then, that you would be happy to pat down suspected suicide bombers?
good luck in your new career!

Posted by: dave at July 23, 2005 12:43 PM (DO6vD)

5 anyone who critizes police officers, you try and put youreself in their spot....as a police officer, in any city,country, and in any given situation of where youre life is in mortal danger, you have only a split second to make a life or death choice....do you not open fire and have the perp shoot you or set off a bomb he may/may not have under his heavy jacket and now youre dead and many others around the criminal, or do you shoot him, possibly kill/wound him and you and many others around you live another day....till you have been a police officer where many times the criminals you face are better armed than the cops, i suggest you keep youre mouths shut and look up some more info.....i speak from some indirect experiance as my father was a police officer in Essex County, NJ, for 36 years, now retired....he faced many dangerous, armed criminals for those 3+ decades and he knew it was either him going home/or in a meat wagon or the criminal was....who do you think wanted to live even more???

Posted by: THANOS35 at July 23, 2005 01:16 PM (9gFP6)

6 and another comment, once you run from ANY police officer, you immedialty become a suspect....if you are told to freeze/raise youre hands/drop to the floor and you run, youre life is in danger of being shot and its youre own fault....i dont give a flying fuck if the officers are plain clothesed or not, once you run, thats it, you have become a possible criminal and the police have the right to not take chances with you....how do they know if youre not an armed man willing to use a gun or whatever weapon youre carrying....and if youre not carrying a weapon such as a knife/gun/axe if you act or make any sudden moves the police have a right to defend themselves....who ever expects the police to just stand there and do nothing, are fucking wacked out of their minds and havent a fucking clue what they are talking about

Posted by: THANOS35 at July 23, 2005 01:21 PM (9gFP6)

7 Given that 1 out of 4 British muslims sympathize with the terrorist's cause, I wouldn't be surprised if this guy was a decoy sent to provoke the cops into "abusing" him in order to gain sympathy for muslims and make the government look bad. They probably didn't expect the cops to unload an entire clip into him, but it doesn't hurt their cause. They're wily.

Posted by: Carlos at July 23, 2005 02:19 PM (8e/V4)

8 Carlos: here here a conspiracy theory that works for me.

Posted by: Howie at July 23, 2005 03:17 PM (D3+20)

9 Here here Carlos that is a conspiracy theory I can live with.

Posted by: Howie at July 23, 2005 03:18 PM (D3+20)

10 The bombers have this guy's blood on their hands. Their mass execution of fifty-plus people two weeks ago and their failed attempt just recently was the indirect cause of this man's death.

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 23, 2005 03:21 PM (sstgd)

11 Bomp, Bomp, Bomp another one bites the dust.

Posted by: greyrooster at July 23, 2005 03:52 PM (CBNGy)

12 John: Come on man. The Brits have to get permission and have good reason just to carry guns on a arrest. If they didn't have prior knowledge of something wrong with this guy they wouldn't have been carrying guns. In London the police don't shoot minorities and muslims. The mayor hugs them and makes excuses for their behavior. Time to get real.

Posted by: greyrooster at July 23, 2005 04:31 PM (CBNGy)

13 Klanrooster you are an ignorant pig - the guy was GUNNED DOWN in COLD BLOOD by UNDERCOVERs. THANOS - Screw you with a fire hydrant, his blood is solely on the hands of the guy who PUMPED FIVE BULLETS INTO HIS HEAD.

Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 23, 2005 06:50 PM (ScqM8)

14 God save the Queen, cause TOURISTS ARE MONEY.. and our figurehead is not what she seems!

Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 23, 2005 07:46 PM (ScqM8)

15 DSM, are you saying that the Queen is actually...Elvis Presley??!! I've suspected as much ever since the tombstone misspelled his middle name! What better way for the KING to go into hiding than by becoming the QUEEN!

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at July 23, 2005 08:03 PM (RHG+K)

16 Just got back to Texas. I’m wasted. A couple of quick comments before bed.

I.
“LONDON — The man gunned down yesterday by police as he ran onto a London subway train had no connection to this week's terrorist attacks, police said today. They called the death "a tragedy."

Police identified the man as Jean Charles de Menezes, 27, and said he was a Brazilian citizen. Residents in the Tulse Hill section of London, near where de Menezes was first spotted by undercover police, said they did not know him.
"We are now satisfied that he was not connected with the incidents of Thursday 21st July 2005," the police said in a statement. "FOR SOMEBODY TO LOSE THEIR LIFE IN SUCH CIRCUMSTANCES IS A TRAGEDY AND ONE THAT THE METROPOLITAN POLICE SERVICE REGRETS."

GREG- IN POLITICAL PARLANCE, THIS IS A TACIT ADMISSION THAT THE MAN WAS INNOCENT.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002398723_weblondon23.html

GREG-A HISPANIC MAN, SEES 3 MEN WHO APPEAR TO BE HOOLIGANS RUNNING AT HIM WITH DRAWN GUN AND RUNS FOR HIS LIFE. THIS COULD HAVE BEEN CARLOS. “ NO GREG, I WOULD HAVE STOPPED WHEN THE POLICE IDENTIFIED THEMSEVES’ DID THEY IDENTIFY THEMSELVES? WHAT DOES, ‘HE WAS CHALLENGED’ MEAN? WITNESSES CLAIM THE MEN SAID ‘GET DOWN, GET DOWN’. NO ONE REPORTED THAT THE POLICE IDENTIFIED THEMSELVES.

II.
Hours after the shooting, Police Commissioner Ian Blair said the victim was "directly linked" to the investigations into attacks Thursday and July 7. In the latter, suicide bombings on trains and a bus killed 56 people, including four attackers.

Police initially said the victim attracted police attention because he left a house that was under surveillance after Thursday's bungled bombings, in which devices planted on three subway trains and a double-decker bus failed to detonate properly. Stockwell is near Oval station, one of those targeted.

"He was then followed by surveillance officers to the station. His clothing and his behavior at the station added to their suspicions," police said Friday.

But Saturday, a police official said on condition of anonymity that Menezes was "not believed to be connected in any way to any of the London bombings."

"FOR SOMEBODY TO LOSE THEIR LIFE IN SUCH CIRCUMSTANCES IS A TRAGEDY AND ONE THAT THE METROPOLITAN POLICE SERVICE REGRETS," A SPOKESMAN SAID ON CONDITION OF ANONYMITY, WHICH IS POLICE POLICY.

However, police did not explain what went wrong or say whether Menezes had done anything illegal.

Menezes' family was Roman Catholic. When asked if he had become Muslim in Britain, Agostino Ferreira Rosa, a policeman in Gonzaga said: "According to his family, he had nothing to do with Muslims or Islamism. He was Catholic."

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/shared-gen/ap/Europe/Britain_Underground.html

GREG-POLICE CHANGE THEIR STORY. LIARS! THIS WAS A GOOD CATHOLIC BOY, YBP AND BRAD.

III.
SAO PAULO, Brazil — Brazil's government demanded an explanation Saturday for the fatal police shooting of Brazilian citizen on a London subway car.

London police initially said the man chased down and shot to death by plainclothes officers was tied to the recent terror bombings, but conceded Saturday that they no longer believed that was the case.

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/shared-gen/ap/Latin_America_And_Caribbean/Brazil_Britain_Bombings.html

GREG- WILL NO ONE JOIN ME IN CONDEMING THIS ACT? NO ONE? WHEN FIRST REPORTED MANY OF YOU TOOK COMFORT IN THIS MAN’S DEATH. MANY OF YOU REJOICED AT IT. AND YOU’RE CHRISTIANS? YOU ARE WORSHIPPING THE ANTI-CHRIST! BASTARDS!


DSM- YOU”RE KICKING SOME SERIOUS ASS.

Posted by: greg at July 23, 2005 09:40 PM (/+dAV)

17 greg+DSM=idiots of a feather flock together proves true once again

Posted by: THANOS35 at July 23, 2005 09:46 PM (9gFP6)

18 had some already greg????...bet ya couldnt have just one, could ya???

Posted by: THANOS35 at July 23, 2005 10:01 PM (9gFP6)

19 now isn't that interesting.
Greg believes that the London bombings were a Government plot, yet today posts this man was killed in cold blood.
Tell us O'King of Bacofoil: if they were running PsyOps as you claimed the other day, Why didn't they link this man to the terrorist plot thus avoiding responsibility of killing an innocent man?
Your opinions the other day was the bombers where innocent Muslim lambs set up by the man, now this guy can't be linked?

So which is it Greg, you can't have it both ways.

Posted by: dave at July 23, 2005 10:02 PM (DO6vD)

20 not only is greg and idiot but it seems from his last post that maybe he is a child molester perhaps....delicious young boys to be had in Italy for only a few bucks.....nice, real nice there ole greggy boy

Posted by: THANOS35 at July 23, 2005 10:08 PM (9gFP6)

21 i mean, thats not even remotely funny...not in the slightest...talking about having sex with children is fucking sickening and makes greg a sub-human in my and many others eyes...i would hope, for youre sake greg, that you where either making a sick joke, or youre high/drunk when you posted that

Posted by: THANOS35 at July 23, 2005 10:11 PM (9gFP6)

22 >>>"Tell us O'King of Bacofoil: if they were running PsyOps as you claimed the other day, Why didn't they link this man to the terrorist plot thus avoiding responsibility of killing an innocent man?"

greg,

dave makes a good point. If the Brits are bombing themselves then why are they shooting people who appear to have been perfectly innocent? Is the illuminati really this incompetent? You can't have it both ways. They are either brilliant beyond our ken or they are apparently perfect morons.

Posted by: Carlos at July 23, 2005 10:11 PM (8e/V4)

23 Read Operation Northwoods or watch "Judge Dredd" for Godssakes - GUbbamint does shit to their own to consolidate power!

Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 23, 2005 10:59 PM (ScqM8)

24 Greg, whaddafunk - kids?! That's immoral and illegal!

Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 23, 2005 11:11 PM (ScqM8)

25 HAHA! did Down Syndrome Meme just reference the "Operation Northwoods" ? where did you read about that? "Flying Saucer Watch" magazine?
Tardboy, that document has long been debunked please note the wording of 'holiday' (European) in the document, vs. "Vacation" the American wording.

God, just when you thought asshats couldn't get any stupider, someone scraped the bottom of the barrel and scooped out DSM.

Posted by: dave at July 24, 2005 12:15 AM (DO6vD)

26 DSM says read Northwoods, because it is a real government document in the national security archives!

It may be downloaded free here:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/

Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 24, 2005 12:30 AM (ScqM8)

27 DSM: I've scraped stuff off my boot with more intelligence than you.
Try actually READING the whole document, then compare the wording in it's entirety.

Please stop embarrassing yourself.

Posted by: dave at July 24, 2005 12:44 AM (DO6vD)

28 and Judge Dredd????....a comic book/movie????....oh yea, im gonna get my info on the goverment from them...oh yea......someone give DSM a nice long pull on a crack pipe. please

Posted by: THANOS35 at July 24, 2005 10:33 AM (9gFP6)

29 Man, I'm just glad shit like that isn't happening in NYC. It's bad enough that the cops here are being rude and busting through everyone's bags. Like that would keep anything from happening? Just think of how much explosives you could shove up your ass...Gayrooster will tell you that an eager ass can accommodate a huge payload. How easy is it to sneak into the subway tunnels in NYC? Very easy. What happened to that Brazilian guy? I wasn't there...but obviously he was scared shitless and was killed by some fuckers. There's no excuse for what they did: If someone runs, you contain them alive!!! Leg shot, arm shot...not a fucking 5 to the head!! What if he was a terrorist? Even more important to keep him alive and get information from him to prevent future attacks. What those limeys did was absolutely stupid and they know it. They have admitted it, so everyone in here should stop sounding like dumb fucks and stop defending their actions.

Posted by: osamabeenthere at July 24, 2005 12:22 PM (perrS)

30 By the way, there are lots of delicious young boys to be had in Italy for only a few bucks. The exchange rate kicks ass!
Posted by greg at July 23, 2005 09:58 P

I DID NOT MAKE THIS POST. THIS IS THE 3RD TIME IN 3 DAYS THAT SOMEONE HAS IMPERSONATED ME. DAVE ADMITTED TO IT THE FIRST TIME.

RUSTY,
THIS IS BULLSHIT! PLEASE FIND OUT WHO IS IMPERSONATING ME AND
BAN THEM!

Posted by: greg at July 24, 2005 01:19 PM (/+dAV)

31 Contain suicidebombers alive.. what bull

The guy panicked and was stupid enough to run, the police chased him through the entire station and only shot him when he got on a train full of people, imagine what could have happened if he had detonated a beltbomb.. It's a no brainer, they took no chances and wasted him right there.

What I don't get is how could they could let a suspected terrorist get that far. Why didn't they stop him earlier if they were tailing him all the way from his house??

Something must have gone wrong.

Posted by: Ren at July 24, 2005 01:24 PM (Ey6Mw)

32 Carlos:'dave makes a good point. If the Brits are bombing themselves then why are they shooting people who appear to have been perfectly innocent?

Carlos and Dave,
These psyops are so compartmentalized, that the right hand and the left hand don't know what the left finger nail is doing.

AGAIN, I DIDN'T MAKE THAT FUCKING PEDOPHILIC COMMENT.
FUCK YOU, WHOEVER DID IT!

NEXT TIME I WILL HIGHER A PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR AND AN ATTORNEY AND SUE THE SHIT OUT OF YOU FOR DEFAMATION AND SLANDER.!

Posted by: greg at July 24, 2005 01:29 PM (/+dAV)

33 Anyone deliberately posing as another poster will be flushed on the first offense.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at July 24, 2005 01:36 PM (RHG+K)

34 BLUTO,
THANK YOU.

PLEASE FIND THE IP ADDRESS OF THE PERSON WHO POSTED:
By the way, there are lots of delicious young boys to be had in Italy for only a few bucks. The exchange rate kicks ass!
Posted by greg at July 23, 2005 09:58 P

AND BAN THE SON OF A BITCH.

Posted by: greg at July 24, 2005 01:47 PM (/+dAV)

35 Ok, lets start with the premise that what the police here did was wrong, and that they should certainly not have shot this man.

Now please explain what the police should do in future situations to:

A) Avoid shooting anyone who is suspected of carrying a bomb, jumps a turnstile at a security checkpoint, and runs onto a subway train.

B) Avoid having a real bomber who has a bomb, jumps a turnstile, and runs onto a train from detonating said bomb and killing dozens or hundreds of civilians.

C) Avoid having a bomber, once ordered to the ground by police, wait and set off his bomb to take out the police trying to peacably subdue him.

Somehow I can't picture avoiding all of A, B, and C; but maybe I'm not as clever as the people who are certain the police got this wrong. Please clarify the appropriate responses to avoid all 3 of these situations.

Gekkobear

Posted by: Gekkobear at July 24, 2005 02:18 PM (XWr9N)

36 Thing is, what is there to argue about? A non-terrorist was killed, and the police have admitted to screwing up. End of story & hope it doesn't happen again. The only pathetic thing is anyone in here without remorse who diss the guy for running...I bet if the guy was related to you, you'd turn your tune real fast. Don't be a bunch of fucking dicks. Wasting a civilian non-terrorist who was obviously scared or confused is no "Darwin": it's a tragedy.

Posted by: osamabeenthere at July 24, 2005 05:21 PM (perrS)

37 Greg:
first: I did not impersonate you, I told you I had made a mistake, as my message was clearly addressed TO you, and contained no speech that claimed to be from you, negative or otherwise.

second: You'll hire a attorney and a private investigator over comments that were posted in the name 'Greg' are you the only Greg in the world? did it contain material that was unique to you, and only you were personally defamed? give me a break.

Shouldn't you and your Attorney be filing under the FOIA's regarding roswell?

I'll also give you a clue: without a subpoena no one is under obligation to fork over logs, IP or web to You, your Attorney, Private investigator or otherwise.

Posted by: dave at July 24, 2005 06:24 PM (DO6vD)

38 Greg: Quit being a liberal crybaby and begging for Rusty and Company to interfer for you. You sissy. Many of us has had others to the same to us. Me, I just tell the son of a bitch about his low class whoreing mother. But crying seems to be the path you always take. Friggin baby.
It was probably osamabeenthere. He wants to be white so much he would even pretend to be white sissy like you.

Posted by: greyrooster at July 24, 2005 07:12 PM (CBNGy)

39 Yeah, 'hired'. So, I was pissed and my circadian rythm is off by 7 hours.

Rooster,
Shut up. You've asked for me and others to be banned on many, many occasions.

Dave,
I'm glad to hear it wasn't you. I take the matter very seriously and I will attempt to determine the identity of the offender. And yes, the slander was obviously directed at me as it references my trip to Italy.

A suit may push the envelope in that I am a semi-anonymous entity on this blog. But it is also reasonable to assume that my actual identity can be easily determined. I don't really blog anonymously because I have given so many details about myself that anyone with half a brain could figure out who I am with a little research. I'm prepared to push the envelope.

Posted by: greg at July 24, 2005 08:37 PM (/+dAV)

40 Greg, some fucknut spoofed me about indecent acts, too. Bunch of chickenwads. I think it was Rooster.

Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 24, 2005 08:48 PM (ScqM8)

41 Greg...hope you find the imposter. Gayrooster, I'm white as fuckin' wonder bread, cracker-jack. Listen, just because you like being rammed by black cock doesn't mean you have to be mean to me every time I post.

Posted by: osamabeenthere at July 24, 2005 09:16 PM (perrS)

42 Rooster's just pissed all the time 'cause he caught his daughters getting long-stroked by some Mississippi Black Snake.

Posted by: greg at July 24, 2005 09:28 PM (/+dAV)

43 If someone in my family was incoherent mentally ill or just beyond stupid while endangering others, I’d definitely not blame the police for that.

The way this guy wasted his life.. I have no pity. Let's face it, what the guy did was stupid, it cost him his life and that's the big tragedy.

Brazil was shocked and perplexed, and expected a full explanation from the UK authorities.

UK authorities should demand an full explanation from Brazil to why one of their countrymen was running away from the law on to a subway full of people, wearing a winter jacket in middle summer during a serious crisis and manhunt for terrorist out to bomb London.

The police f'ed up because they did not stop him earlier, the guy FUBAR, they had to shot him.

How else do you safely disarm and apprehend a suspected belt bomber who is not complying?

Any suggestions?

Posted by: Ren at July 24, 2005 09:52 PM (Ey6Mw)

44 Rooster! Grunt, grunt!

Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 24, 2005 11:38 PM (ScqM8)

45 osamabeenthere sounds like one of those idiots who follow Al Sharpton around New York screaming remember Towanna Brawley. Yea, I can see it now osamaneverbeenanywherebutharlem, Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson. Nuts of of feather run together.

Again Greg the traitor who claims to be a good catholic returns to his roots. Just because his wife (ex wifes) and mother preferred black snakes to white he thinks others would sink as low as his family. Maybe thats why his 1st two wifes left him. Wasn't much change switching from a white nigger to a black one.

Posted by: greyrooster at July 25, 2005 02:28 AM (CBNGy)

46 Klanooster, what is that THING wriggling out of your ass??

Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 25, 2005 02:36 AM (ScqM8)

47 Man, this is getting too funny. Oh, Gayrooster: that's TOO funny, not TO funny. Anyway, are you still confused about my race? I figured if you hate me I HAD to be of color, right? Hahaha. I can see your future hell now: being stuck in a hot little room with 20 ebonics teachers and 400 boom-boxes blasting NWA...for eternity.

Ren, how about a few leg shots or arm shots before blowing someone's nose out the back of their head? Fact is, if the police had their shit together they never would have let him enter that subway station!!

Posted by: osamabeenthere at July 25, 2005 10:08 AM (perrS)

48 "Ren, how about a few leg shots or arm shots before blowing someone's nose out the back of their head?"

While you're at it, Wyatt Earp, why not shoot the detonator out of his hand? The point is to kill the suspected suicide bomber before he can detonate his device so that bystanders don't get blown up. That's the reason for the head shot.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at July 25, 2005 11:18 AM (RHG+K)

49 Exactly, there is no other way

"There's no point in shooting at somebody's chest because that's where the bomb is likely to be,"

"There's no point in shooting anywhere else because if they fall down they detonate it. It is drawn on the experience from other countries including Sri Lanka

When he was challenged by police in the Tube station, he fled, reportedly leaping the ticket barrier.

Over the past year there have been an increased number of immigration checks at Tube stations - a policy widely reported in Brazilian papers in London.

BBC home affairs correspondent Danny Shaw said the type of visa Mr Menezes had been given would normally be valid for one-and-a-half to two years.

Mr Menezes had not renewed the visa, adding: "That wouldn't explain why he was shot, but it might provide an explanation as to why he ran away if - that is indeed what he did do.BBC home affairs correspondent Danny Shaw said the type of visa Mr Menezes had been given would normally be valid for one-and-a-half to two years.

He said Mr Menezes had not renewed the visa, adding: "That wouldn't explain why he was shot, but it might provide an explanation as to why he ran away if - that is indeed what he did do.

Source: BBC

Posted by: Ren at July 25, 2005 12:37 PM (Ey6Mw)

50 Ren,

I knew I remembered reading the man described as an "illegal immigrant" but couldn't find a citation for it later. Do you have a link?

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at July 25, 2005 04:20 PM (RHG+K)

51 Sure thing, here you go:

bbcnews - Police shot Brazilian eight times

Posted by: Ren at July 25, 2005 05:38 PM (Ey6Mw)

52 Man, you guys are blatantly ignoring the fucking fact that if they were following him, they NEVER SHOULD HAVE ALLOWED HIM INTO THE STATION!! Oh yeah, and since when does anyone have to shoot someone in the head 7 times? Was there anything left? Those fuckers should be discharged from the police force. Or would you guys like me to "suspect" you of being a suicide bomber and just waste you guys before asking you questions?

Posted by: osamabeenthere at July 25, 2005 06:20 PM (perrS)

53 osama,

He ran into the station. He ran down the stairs and jumped the turnstile. Then he ran onto a carriage, and, by one eyewitness account grabbed another passenger. You seem to be having trouble understanding the concept that this guy was fleeing, perhaps because his visa had expired.

I think you're just disappointed that the last batch of bombs fizzled.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at July 25, 2005 06:34 PM (RHG+K)

54 Man, you guys are blatantly ignoring the fucking fact that if they were following him, they NEVER SHOULD HAVE ALLOWED HIM INTO THE STATION!!

No shit Sherlock I was the first one to mention that.

Speaking hypotetically, the guy probably was not considered dangerous and they only wanted to ask him about the activity in the house they were watching, that was until he jolted the police and started to run like crazy down the tube.. police had their orders, THANOS35 clearly explained why the police had to act the way they did.

Had they stopped him outside the subway station it's possible he'd not be foolish enough to run away and he'd still be alive today. But the guy wasn't considered a threat and the kind of hindsight we're blessed to have on this right now they did not have back then..

Posted by: Ren at July 26, 2005 06:01 AM (Ey6Mw)

55 If the police weren't drinking so much jolt soda pop and rotting away their yellow rat's teeth, maybe they would have been able to deal with the problem without making sure the guy had a closed casket funeral. Bluto, the only thing that fizzled in here was that fart of a post you just laid on us all. So let's just start shooting anyone who runs from now on, ok? That way we can always be sure no one....er...dies in subways anymore. Pblththt. Shiiiiiiiiiiiit. When I think of how many times I've run into a subway in NYC, I'm lucky to be alive for not living in London! Still haven't been searched by NY's finest yet.

Posted by: osamabeenthere at July 27, 2005 04:24 PM (5NVVZ)

56 Maybe we will get lucky and osamaneverbeenthere will meet NYC's finest.

Posted by: greyrooster at July 28, 2005 03:16 AM (CBNGy)

57 Looks like someone found out about Greg the traitor and the little boys. He sure takes it personal. Like guilty people do. Not only a traitor but a pedophile. Knew it the whole time. And Greg we have already figured who you are. A traitorous pedophile. They say animals like you cannot be helped. Why don't you do one good thing in your lousy sick life and end it for the good of all? You can do it sicko. Just find a tall building and think of young boys on your way down. Filthy sick bastard.

Posted by: greyrooster at July 28, 2005 03:28 AM (CBNGy)

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As more information is reported, the situation just gets worse.

From the AP:

The attacks appeared well coordinated. Two car bombs, possibly by suicide attackers, went off simultaneously at 1:15 a.m. just more than 2 miles apart. A third bomb, believed hidden in a sack, detonated around the same time near a beachside walkway where tourists often stroll at night.

A total of 83 people were confirmed dead, said Dr. Saeed Abdel Fattah, manager of the Sharm el-Sheik International Hospital where the victims were taken. Among the dead were two Britons, two Germans and an Italian, he added, and Czech officials said one Czech tourist was also killed. Rescue workers were still searching for victims at some attack scenes.

Several hours after the attacks, a group claiming ties to al-Qaida claimed responsibility for the explosion on an Islamic web site. The group, the Abdullah Azzam Brigades, al-Qaida, in Syria and Egypt, was one of two extremist groups that also claimed responsibility for October bombings at the Egyptian resorts of Taba and Ras Shitan that killed 34. The group also claimed responsbility for a Cairo bombing in late April.

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It's breaking news and I've gotten some indications that it's worse than described as follows.

From The Courier-Mail:

THIRTY people died and about 100 more were wounded when four car bombs rocked the Egyptian Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh and hotels at nearby Naama Bay today.

A police source said four car bombs appeared to have exploded - one near the Sharm el-Sheikh bazaar, and three in Naama Bay, at a tourist bazaar, the Ghazala Hotel and the Moevenpick Hotel.

Sources said the explosions had killed up to 30 people and wounded about 100 others.

By the way, on a somewhat related issue, am I the only person that's noticed that when Rusty leaves town, London gets bombed?

[Update 2230 EDT]

From Aljazeera.com:

A series of explosions hit the Egyptian Red Sea resort of Sharm al-Sheikh early Saturday, killing at least 49 people and wounding 150 others, witnesses and police said.

Police officials in Sharm el-Sheik said there may have been as many as seven blasts; three in Naama Bay, which is packed with hotels, and four in the nearby Old Market area.

"Many of the injuries are very serious and they are in critical condition," said one doctor at Sharm el-Sheikh International Hospital.

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Most people read only a couple of paragraphs deep into news stories; some only read the lead before moving on. That's why journalists tend to pack so much information into the first paragraph of a breaking story. For example, this is the lead for the tube shooting story at MSNBC: "Hours after chasing down and shooting to death one man on the subway..."

So how does al-Jazeera serve their Arab audience? Like this [emphasis added]:

Police have confirmed that they shot dead a man in an underground train station in south London.

The man was shot apparently while trying to board a train on Friday morning at Stockwell station in south London.

This isn't just a matter of style, this is how propaganda is done.

Cross-posted at The Dread Pundit Bluto.

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From the Courier-Mail:

OOZING rucksacks, harmless puffs of smoke and the failure of the latest apparent attempted bombings in London suggest a link between this week's attacks and the July 7 atrocities, experts said today.

The four bombs that apparently failed to explode on Underground subway trains and a double-decker bus yesterday bore similarities to the type of Al-Qaeda-style devices used in the suicide attacks earlier this month, which killed 56 people, explosives specialists said.

Witnesses spoke of seeing a lard-like substance oozing from one of the would-be bombers' backpacks after it failed to go off, suggesting the presence of an explosive mixture such as acetone peroxide which was used on July 7, the experts said.

That substance - made from household items such as sulphuric acid, hydrogen peroxide and acetone - deteriorates over time and becomes harmless if it passes its use-by date.

"If the bombers from July 7 and yesterday all loaded their rucksacks together two and a half weeks ago, you might expect a substantial amount of the explosive to have disappeared by this week," chemist Andrea Sella of University College London said.

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Magdy el-Nashar, the Leeds scholar who was arrested in Egypt following the London terror bombings, has been absolved of any wrongdoing by the Egyptian government. From The Guardian:

CAIRO, Egypt (AP) - Egypt said Tuesday that a detained chemist wanted by Britain for questioning about the London bombings had no links to the July 7 attacks or to al-Qaida.

Government spokesman Magdy Rady said in a statement that a Cabinet meeting Tuesday reviewed an Interior Ministry report that "made clear that there is no link between Egyptian chemist Magdy el-Nashar with al-Qaida or the (London) bombings."

Of course Egyptian officials offered no explanation for this inconvenient report from CNN:

(CNN) -- The explosive TATP was found in connection with the investigation of the London bombings, three knowledgeable sources have told CNN.

One of the sources said that investigators found the TATP in the Leeds apartment rented by Magdy el-Nashar, an Egyptian biochemist detained for questioning Thursday in connection with the London attacks.

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1 All 5 of these guys were framed. Can you say psyop?

Posted by: greg at July 19, 2005 04:42 PM (3D/yw)

2 This is a fine example of what happens when everybody dances together. CNN and The Guardian pretty much waltz together, but they screwed up on this story. Good post.

Posted by: Mike at July 19, 2005 04:44 PM (6krEN)

3 "All 5 of these guys were framed."

Why do you think this, Greg?

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 19, 2005 05:16 PM (VLVlH)

4 Off topic, but I finally found the report I mentio0ned a few days ago.

Here is the report I heard on the evening of 9-11. My first impression was that Flight 93 was shot down, a prudent action under the circumstances. This report was never repeated. It went into the 'memory hole'. Why has this been covered up? Why shoot down the one plane in which the passengers were taking control? Were they about to discover the secret of 9-11?

Google 'Globalhawk'.

"We got the call about 9:58 this morning from a male passenger stating that he was locked in the bathroom of United Flight 93 traveling from Newark to San Francisco, and they were being hijacked," said Glenn Cramer, a 911 supervisor.

"We confirmed that with him several times and we asked him to repeat what he said. He was very distraught. He said he believed the plane was going down. He did Hear Some Sort Of An Explosion and Saw White Smoke Coming From The Plane, but he didn't know where.

"And then we lost contact with him."
http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010912crashnat2p2.asp

Posted by: greg at July 19, 2005 05:18 PM (3D/yw)

5 The Washington Post reported that leaders of Congress -- including Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott, R-Miss., House Majority Whip Tom DeLay, R-Texas and House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt, D-Mo. -- were told at a briefing by the Capitol Police that the hijacked plane might have been bound for the Capitol or Camp David, the presidential retreat in Thurmont, Md., 85 miles southeast of the crash site, according to participants in the meeting.

The participants discussed a possible shoot down of the aircraft, said Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind.

"The question I heard asked was: 'Who has the authority to order a commercial jetliner shot down by the military?' " Pence said. However, the congressional leaders soon learned that the plane had already crashed.

Posted by: greg at July 19, 2005 05:24 PM (3D/yw)

6 YBP:"All 5 of these guys were framed."
'Why do you think this, Greg?'

YBP,
I discussed that in the Caption Contest.

I thought about you today. I hopped the Eurostar from Rome to Florence. (Man this tourist business is hard work. It's so hot, I drink 5 liters of water a day and piss like a Russian race horse). But that's not why I thought of you

Inter alia, I saw Donnatello's, Mary Magdalene (sp?) at il Duomo dell Santa Maria di Fiore Museum. Unlike all the other statues, it's carved from wood. The gnarls in the wood provided him with the perfect medium to depict her as a twisted wretched whore.

Have you read, 'The Da Vinci Code', by any chance. What do you think of Brown's claim that Mary Magdalene was Jesus' wife and that there are living descendents of Christ? Was Donnatello's work part of a smear campaign by the Church to stifle that theory? I don't necessarily agree with the theory, but Rabbi's were expected to marry. It is thought provoking. I know the Church thinks the book is heresy. What say you?

It's nearly 1 AM here. Got to go.

Posted by: greg at July 19, 2005 05:43 PM (3D/yw)

7 Was the Egypt Air transcript ever released? If not, why not? You (Bluto, NOT GREG) piqued my interest.

Posted by: slickdpdx at July 19, 2005 05:55 PM (MjGRu)

8 Good-grief, what's with all the blithering static?
Framed or fooled and murdered by some terrorist with speed-dial, like the car-bomb drivers in iraq who's slight and sticky remains have been found handcuffed to the steering wheel, or the guy so dop[ed-up on narcotics he forgot to pull the pud-plunger, or whereever they hide the trigger.

Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at July 19, 2005 06:27 PM (vbPWL)

9 No no no, it was five Jooooooooz who swooped down in their Black Helicoptersâ„¢ and caused greg to have a small penis, low IQ, and subsequent inferiority complex due to gettin' no love from the ladies... uh I mean they blew up the buses. Yeah, that's what I meant to say.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 19, 2005 08:05 PM (0yYS2)

10 If the comments can't handle this whole thing, here's the version I found.

0148:03 excuse me, Jimmy, while take a quick trip to the toilet.

0148:04 [whirring sound similar to electric seat motor operating, heard only using digital filter]

0148:04 [sound of click]

0148:05 [sound similar to cockpit door operating]

0148:08 go ahead please (go ahead please).

0148:09 [sound of several clicks]

0148:10 ..before it gets crowded. while they are eating, and I'll be back to you.

0148:18.05 [sound similar to cockpit door operating]

0148:22.70 [sound of thunk)

0148:23.30 [sound of clink)

0148:30.69 [The five Arabic speaking members of the group concur that they do not recognize this as an Arabic word, words, or phrase. The entire group agrees that three syllables are heard and the accent is on the second syllable. Four Arabic speaking group members believe that they heard words similar to "control it". One English speaking member believes that he heard a word similar to "hydraulic". The five other members believe that the word(s) were unintelligible.]

0148:34.80 [sound of click and thump]

0148:39.92 I rely on God. [heard faintly]

0148:49.30 [sound of thump]

0148:53.10 [sound of faint, muffled thump]

0148:56.31 [sound of thump]

0148:57.93 [series of thumps and clicks starts and continues for approximately seventeen seconds]

0149:18.30 [sound of light thump]

0149:18.37 [whirring sound similar to electric seat motor operating, also heard through first officer's hot microphone system]

0149:30.16 [sound of two faint thumps and one louder thump]

0149:47.54 [sound of two clicks and two thumps]

0149:48.42 I rely or God.

0149:53.32 [one loud thump and three faint thumps]

0149:57.33 I rely or God.

0149:58.75 I rely or God.

0149:58.78 [four tones similar to Master Caution aural beeper]

0150:00.15 I rely on God.

0150:01.60 I rely on God.

0150:02.93 I rely on God.

0150:04.42 I rely or God.

0150:04.72 [sound of loud thump]

0150:05.89 I rely on God.

0150:06.37 what's happening? what's happening?

0150:07.07 I rely on God.

0150:07.11 [sound of numerous thumps and clinks continue for approximately fifteen seconds]

0150:08.20 [repeating hi-low tone similar to Master Warning aural start and continues to the end of recording]

0150:08.48 I rely on God.

0150:08.53 what's happening?

0150:11.50

0150:15.15 what's happening, Gamil? what's happening?

0150:19.51 [four tones similar to Master Caution aural beeper]

0150:24.92 what is this? what is this? did you shut the engine(s)?

0150:25.00 [change and increase in sound, heard only through first officer's hot microphone system]

0150:26.55 get away in the engines. [translated as said]

0150:28.85 shut the engines.

0150:29.66 it's shut.

0150:31.25 pull.

0150:32.75 pull with me.

0150:34.78 pull with me.

Ol 50:36.84 pull with me.

0150:38.47

END OF RECORDING
END OF TRANSCRIPT

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at July 19, 2005 09:37 PM (RHG+K)

11 Greg: Without getting into the sordid lies in the book, I'm familiar with its content but consider it blasphemous lies. Rabbi's were expected to marry, but certainly Jesus did not fit the mold of a typical rabbi.

I loved Florence. Are you visiting Venice? If so, make sure you visit Harry's Bar in Venice (a Hemingway haunt), but don't wear shorts.

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 20, 2005 07:25 AM (x+5JB)

12 YBP,
As a good fellow Catholic boy, I value your opinion. It's good fiction though. I forgot to mention that I read the book at my last confession. I'll mention it next time. I expect to get about 23, 'Our Fathers' and 32, 'Hail Marys'

I may go to Venice tomorrow.
YPB:'but don't wear shorts.'- Is it a gay bar? I know, lot's of Holy places don't allow shorts above the knees or women to have exposed shoulders. But a bar? A Hemingway haunt?

YBP:"All 5 of these guys were framed."
'Why do you think this, Greg?'
Please read my 2 new posts regarding this subject on the "Halleluja" string.

Posted by: greg at July 20, 2005 09:29 AM (3D/yw)

13 Wanderin' Greg: Europe, for how "progressive" it is (not always a good thing), is still old-fashioned in many ways. I guess there " No Shorts" rule is an attempt to maintain some sort of dress code. Of course they wouldn't have dared throw "Papa" out!

I'm not sure I would use the words "good fiction," though. It's misleading. Something that may be technically well-written is not enough for me to want to taint my mind with it. I think that in many ways, the ideas behind something are more potent than word choice.

Only 23 "Our Fathers" and 32 "Hail Marys"!!! That's lettin' you off easy, my friend! The pillory! The rack! Or both! At the same time!

(In these liberal times, let's hope its not required reading at the seminaries.)

Will read those posts. Stay well, and don't eat any coconut from street venders.

YBP

Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at July 20, 2005 09:58 AM (x+5JB)

14 He was just released, thank (insert your god here). His life is most probably ruined over this. Do a web search for Aafia Siddiqui, she wasn't so lucky.

Posted by: asad behim at August 10, 2005 05:32 AM (CDzbl)

15 I BELIEVE THAT IN THESE TOUGH TIMES AMERICA NEEDS TO LEGALIZE GIRLS GONE WILD VIDEOS TO MINORS. JUST KIDDINNN! now ON a more serious note what is happening today all over the world. people (NATIONS) are getting to scared of brittian and america. unless they have specific rights that stand out. like in this case there isn't an extraditoin treaty between egypt and great brittian. under this assumption was mad on to a giochemist who "fled" britan just a week BEFORE the bombings took place. and so the supposed "MASTERMIND" was arrested in egypt. now what does he do. HE COULD GO BACK TO LONDON AND GET ARRESTED AND QUESTIONED, OR STAY IN A PLACE THAT WILL NOT GIVE A PROPER JOB AS A BIOCHEMIST WITH A PHD. AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY. just kiddinnn. NOW HIS REPUTATION HAS BEEN DROUCHED WITH SUCH HARSH ACCUSATIONS. I personally think that he would have liked to be made famous over spectacular research that will help mankind. insted he becomes famous over being called the "MASTERMIND" of a killing spree. NOT A VERY GOOD THING TO BE CALLED AFTER JUST RECIEVING A PHD. now I AM FINISHED RAMBLING ON IN THIS SUBJECT MATTER. AND SO GOOD NIGHT FELLOW BLOGGERS.

Posted by: OSAMA YO MAMA at August 11, 2005 08:52 PM (W78Em)

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Here's some information regarding Elnasher's life that is worth knowing. Magdy Elnasher was born in 1972 in Egypt.

1994
Graduated from Cairo University with a Bachelor of Science in Chemistry degree,

1998
Received Masters in Science in Organic Chemistry from Cairo University,

1999-2000
Studied chemical engineering at North Carolina State University,

2000-present
University of Leeds, UK, Postgraduate.

To refresh everyone's memory, enzymes are protein substances that act as triggers for various biological processes. So, Elnasher's expertise appears to be associated with seemingly mundane applications like improving water treatment facilities or manufacturing processes that rely on enzymatic actions.

With regard to my previously-stated bother, if Elnasher, as a terrorist, wanted to apply this expert knowledge, he could, but only in a convoluted manner. I believe that a biological threat could only exist if Elnasher was working out of his house or in a garage creating something nefarious. His line of study and work does not lend itself to anything other than access to chemicals and biologicals for easy theft. To put anything together, he'd need a lab - and time.

One other thing - Elnasher has some sort of link with the University of Graz in Austria which is associated with his biochemical work.

All in all, I'm somewhat comforted by the fact that there have been no reports of a laboratory being found in the investigation by the British authorities. Without one - somewhere - I don't see Elnasher's biochemical expertise being a threat right now. Of course, don't trust me. I'm just a guy with a computer.

Companion post at Interested-Participant.

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