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June 11, 2006

Fox News' O'Reilly Visits Gitmo, Prisoners Commit Suicide

Well, somebody had to say it. Certainly odd but, I believe, merely coincidental.

Three prisoners at the detention facility in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have hanged themselves in what is being called a "planned event," the U.S. military has said.
They are the first confirmed deaths at the compound. Prisoners have attempted suicide in the past.
"Two Saudis and one Yemeni, each located in Camp 1, were found unresponsive and not breathing in their cells by guards," said a statement issued by Joint Task Force-Guantanamo on Saturday.

According to Rear Adm. Harry Harris, commander of Joint Task Force-Guantanamo, there is a mythical belief that Guantanamo would be shut down if three detainees died. As a result, the suicides were planned, not spontaneous.

Human rights advocates are eagerly jumping on the incident to bolster their claims that America is bad and President Bush is evil. Expect their assertions to be repeatedly emphasized by the generally complicit mainstream media.

My take on the situation is that fanatics killing themselves is not, at all, an unusual event. And, in all candor, I'd much rather fanatics commit suicide in a cell as opposed to a bus or restaurant crowded with innocents.

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Posted by: Mike Pechar at 01:25 AM | Comments (22) | Add Comment
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1 For the Liberals amongst us, don't forget these men would have willingly committed suicide amongst you, and your whole family in a shopping mall, with his explosive vest too -- their incarceration is one of the barriers that stops that happening.
Don't let that stop you wasting a pack of Kleenex on the scum non-the-less...

Posted by: davec at June 11, 2006 01:44 AM (CcXvt)

2 Wouldn't it just be simpler if no one committed suicide? So what is the acid test for a fanatic? Is it simply having a room at the Gitmo Hotel? Put yourself in the same situation, held indefinitely, and tell us how long it would take for you to go "fanatic." Do you honestly believe that every one of the detainees there at Gitmo are guilty? Shall we ignore the evidence that people were sold as terrorists and incarcerated as enemy combatants with no hope of a fair trial? The only true innocents are the children. The rest of us are guilty by degrees. The only way to cleanse the stain of guilt is to stand up for justice and put down fearmongering.

Posted by: DCO at June 11, 2006 01:55 AM (ht8Md)

3 What I can't quite figure out is why the U.S. military is calling the suicides an "act of war." Huh?

Posted by: Michael Hampton at June 11, 2006 02:18 AM (FVbj6)

4 Oh look, it's the "they're just "oppressed brown people™", forced into terrorism by the evil U.S" defence.
We all know before the U.S captured them, these two Saudi's and the Yemeni were growing Alfalfa, drinking tea and playing chess while flying kites in Afghanistan right?

Two of the most radical, Jihadi nations, nationals were detained on the battlefield, and you want to sing Kum Ba Yah and give em a hug -- how totally predictable.

Posted by: davec at June 11, 2006 02:20 AM (CcXvt)

5 One of lesser know dangers of drug use is making statements of unbelievable foolishness to the media. For example:

William Goodman from the New York-based Center for
Constitutional Rights told AFP news agency the men were
"heroes for those of us who believe in basic American
values of justice, fairness and democracy".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5068606.stm

Posted by: Capp at June 11, 2006 02:29 AM (XgLFc)

6 Heroes? Oh they're just pissed because we don't believe anybody in Guantanamo should get a day in court. You can ignore them.

Posted by: Michael Hampton at June 11, 2006 02:49 AM (FVbj6)

7 Can't we issue them six feet of rope that no US military personnel are permitted to touch without gloves and an honor guard -- sort of like their Korans?

And can't we call any attempt to interfere with the use of the rope to make a noose -- or to cut them down -- a crime against humanity?

After a week or two we could close Gitmo because there would be no more prisonerst there -- wouldn't that make the libs and the "world community" orgasmicly happy?

Posted by: Rhymes With Right at June 11, 2006 06:09 AM (Jqugw)

8 Three today, who knows, maybe the rest tomorrow. Can we hope that the entire arab world will commit suicide by year's end?

Posted by: Ernie Oporto at June 11, 2006 06:50 AM (WvUov)

9 How dare they even try to keep these men from committing suicide? They have rights you know.[/sarcasm]

DCO, you really ought to get out more often. Around 200 Gitmo detainees have been released. Some returned to the battle field and some of those were swept up again and returned to detainment. Sounds to me like we've got a lot of pretty guilty people still there. "Put yourself in the same situation, held indefinitely, and tell us how long it would take for you to go "fanatic."" Oh, please. You're using the base assumption that they're innocent. Something I don't know and neither do you. So all your righteous indignation is just empty rhetoric. How much "justice" do you think you'd get from these people you're so ready to stand up for?

Posted by: Oyster at June 11, 2006 07:05 AM (YudAC)

10 Well there willingness to commit suicide by strangulation certainly seems to diminish the fear the capital punishment is thought to have as a determent.

Posted by: john ryan at June 11, 2006 07:14 AM (TcoRJ)

11 Poor jihadis. They didn't get to kill any infidels in the process. No virgins for you!

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at June 11, 2006 07:58 AM (8e/V4)

12 DAVEC has spoken for me.

Posted by: greyrooster at June 11, 2006 08:03 AM (2/7WJ)

13 Yes John, capital punishment is not a deterrent........to terrorists - people who have been convinced that dying is the best thing that they can do. Quite different to a typical, garden variety so to speak murderer who usually doesn't hold such beliefs. So execution may not be a deterrent to terrorism, but it is an efficient means of disposal of such scum.

Posted by: Graeme at June 11, 2006 08:05 AM (QO12b)

14 Graeme your ideas are so much aligned with those of the terrorists, scum=infiels so it is OK to kill execute them. And as to the deterent effec of ca[ital punishmentt on preventing murder many people do not think that has ever been proved.

Posted by: john ryan at June 11, 2006 11:30 AM (TcoRJ)

15 Wow, john. That was a stretch, even for you.

Posted by: Oyster at June 11, 2006 11:46 AM (YudAC)

16 John:
You act surprised that death would not be a determent for people who are willing to die for their cause, either by explosive vest or on the battlefield.
However I am disappointed in the Guantanamo situation too, but most likely for different reasons than yourself. You see, I believe if anyone captured is not a member of the Taliban, that were captured not wearing a uniform that distinguished them from Civilians they should already have been tried and executed under a military tribuneral.

Hiding amongst Civilians while conducting battle against our forces is not only cowardly, but leads to collateral damage to Civilians who are inevitably injured or killed while being used as shields by unidentifiable jihadi's, it also means our own soldiers are killed while taking measures to avoid wounding or killing Civilians, consider Sgt. Ben Morton who was killed in Mosul, who's team avoided using percussion grenades when entering Civilian homes because they can kill children there is no doubt using a percussion grenade would have saved his life.

These are the people the Left wants to put on Trial and put in prison, so they can spend time in Jail while members of our own armed forces, and Civilians lay in their graves because of their cowardly method of warfare?

Posted by: davec at June 11, 2006 12:07 PM (CcXvt)

17 Its called " bleeding " not Geneva convention from our enemies viscous spiritual and psychological standpoint. They capture one of our men, and every time commit unbelievable and unspeakable surgery upon them. They keep them alive through the process to jeer and yell and deficate upon them. Not sometimes. Everytime. Then as is their ritualistic custom they mercifully behead them. " Bleeding " was very present in Viet Nam and many other tortures not only to our boys but to their own people. But the far left liberal press chooses not to cover it.Instead they magnify in the minds of the American people and the world; as Aljezera, the enemies rights to full Geneva convention privledges and justice as if they are United States citizens. Perhaps citizenship is what they will ask for these ruthless warlords next; anything is possible in their liberal agenda.

Posted by: william copenhaver at June 11, 2006 02:55 PM (ENoLU)

18 Maybe we can get O'Reilly to swing by there once a week. That way we can all get what we want.

Posted by: slug at June 11, 2006 03:56 PM (soGSc)

19 Oyster,

I do get out now and then but thanks for the invite. I'm aware that some detainees have been released. I'm not surprised that some of them would be caught and returned to prison. What happened to justice for all? You don't think that some of them were just pissed off enought to go back to battle? What a way for us to recruit for the terrorists. As for innocence I'm glad I don't have to be the judge. We still have to uphold the standard of law and not let our emotions run away from us. Innocent until proven guilty. We become as bad as the terrorists if we let this standard slip. Psalms 23:4 will tell you to whom I look for justice.

Posted by: DCO at June 11, 2006 11:15 PM (ht8Md)

20 DCO, all your posturing and humanitarianism does not change the fact that this is not just an Elliot Ness contingent looking for hooch smugglers and handing them over to the government to try and incarcerate. It's a war. And I know that's hard for you to understand, but it's, let's just say, different.

Posted by: Oyster at June 12, 2006 06:15 AM (YudAC)

21 To bad it was only three. Put me in charge and there will be more.

Posted by: greyrooster at June 12, 2006 10:41 AM (fDZgg)

22 Greyrooster, I doubt anyone will ever put you in charge of anything.

Posted by: Callemasiseeum at June 12, 2006 02:33 PM (UHKaK)

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