The following is from his website, reproduced verbatim.

October 2nd, 2006 - WASHINGTON, D.C. — Amy Call, Communications Director for U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, M.D., (R-Tenn.), issued the following statement regarding the majority leader’s comments in Afghanistan as reported by the Associated Press:

“While touring Afghanistan, Senator Frist made the observation that Afghan tribesman should be brought into the government or risk losing them to the Taliban. Giving the native tribes often targeted by Taliban recruitment a voice in the government will promote peace and prosperity in the region. Senator Frist does not believe Taliban fighters – often foreign fighters who come to Afghanistan to further conflict – should be brought into the reconciliation process.

“In order to undermine the influence of the Taliban in Afghan society, Senator Frist believes there needs to be a multi-pronged approach to win the hearts and minds of the Afghan people. Military efforts must continue in earnest to capture and kill the leadership of the Taliban and al-Qa’ida, who continue to pose a grave threat to Afghanistan and the world.

“The long-term peace and security of Afghanistan depends upon the ability of the government, lead by President Karzai, to establish a political order in which the radical totalitarian ideology of the Taliban is rejected in favor of liberty, democracy, and the rule of law.”

Senator Frist and Senator Mel Martinez (R-Fla.) spent the day in Kabul and Qalat, Afghanistan, where they had the opportunity to meet with President Hamid Karzai, visit a local hospital, greet American troops and receive briefings from military personnel.

And.....death to America.

Here's what it boils down to for me. Do you believe Frist, or the AP?

One's a politician, the other is the MSM. And it's election time.

You wanna know what ticks me off? Rusty and Ragnar thinking they can invade my turf. I own the exclusive rights to using the eff word on this blog. It was part of my contract.

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I'm not sure how I missed this one a month ago the first time around in '04, but Islamic leaders are working on establishing a Shari'a enclave in Little Rock, Arkansas.

Apparently, not all the local residents are pleased at this development:

Controversy over building a proposed Islamic community in Little Rock and many residents are not pleased. The planning commission unanimously approved the project which includes a mosque, a school and more than 20 homes. This stamp of approval is just the first step in a long process that will include much opposition. Several members of the community and members of the planning commission expressed their concerns. Their biggest concern, they are fearful this planned Islamic community will exclude other religions. Little Rock resident... Tim Lawson, says, "I'm opposed to any type of segregation and I believe this is what's going to happen.

Coming soon to a town near you.

UPDATE: Mea culpa. According to the date stamps, the above story is from 2004, not 2006. Clearly, someone went back into the archives and changed the dates right after they saw my post. Either that, or Ragnar be needing some new glasses.

For those of you who prefer your news more "recent-ish," there's more reporting on American Shari'a here, here and here.

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News flash #1: we're propagandists. That's what we do. I think we all try to make our propaganda as focused on the "bad guys" as we can, but our propaganda is generally a brute force weapon rather than a precision munition. Sometimes, being succinct and funny takes precedence over being precise. To paraphrase Mike Ditka, some propagandists are named "Smith." Some are named "Grabowski." We're the Grabowskis. I do my best to tell the truth. If I fail to do a good job at it, I find the commenters are generally merciless--and rightly so.

News flash #2: we are at war. In the narrowest sense, we've been at war since at least October 2001, when American forces went after the Taliban in Afghanistan. The current fighting is, however, only the latest round of activity. In a broader sense, we (the West) have been at war with the Islamicists since at least the fall of the Caliphate and the ascension of Sayyid Qutb in the early 20th Century. Before that, there were the Muslim incursions into Europe centuries ago, which had been on hold since 1492. In an even broader sense, we (the religious pluralists) have been at war since Mohammed first attacked the Quraysh tribes 14 centuries ago.

Despite what some may think, we can lose this war. If we lose, it won't, of course, be on the battlefield. No army can stand against ours in a straght-up fight. If we lose this fight, we will lose it right here at home. Accordingly, propaganda is very important. We have a dedicated enemy on our hands, and that enemy seeks nothing less than an end to our way of life. Ideally, our enemy wants us to reliquish our way of life and submit to his. I'm not a big fan of Bush, but he does have one thing right: they really do hate us for our freedom.

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1 Come on - it's not whether you win or lose, it's if you particpated and had a good time that counts.
 
You see, the libs & dems thought, "Yeah, we'll participate in this war.  That'll be fun."  It was "fun" for them because they thought going along with the war would help keep them in office and have a good shot at the Presidency in '04.  But as we all know it didn't turn out quite as they hoped.  So, they stopped having fun and started crying out in right field.  Now they want to go home and play video games, 'cause it's not fair.  They want to pitch.  It's their right. 
 
Now, they're throwing their tantrum. 

Posted by: Editor at September 29, 2006 12:00 PM (adpJH)

2 Excellent take on the supremacist nature of orthodox Islam.  
 
I too have a problem with the way so many activists, journalists and polticians throw around the term "moderate Muslims" as though they are a poweful lobby that can shape the fate of their religion.  This is the way I've always thought of the moderate Muslims:
 
In a classic convenience store robbery scenario, the clerk is the secular West, the robber is jihadist Islam, and the moderate Muslim is the old woman who hid out behind the boxes of cereal and oatmeal while the whole thing went down.  The robbery is not her fault.  She was not part of it, but nor did she try to stop it.  Most importantly, she doesn't call the police when it's over, and she might not have called them if she knew about it in advance.  She just wants to be left alone to do her shopping, and not be bothered by other people's problems.
 
In that role, "moderate Muslims" don't seem to be interested in shaping anything, and I don't think we can really count on them to steer Islam in a more sympathetic and tolerant direction.  Obviously you don't have to agree with me, I'm just throwing that out there.

Posted by: Granddaddy Long Legs at September 29, 2006 12:21 PM (q73o1)

3 I don't mean to speak for Dean, he seems quite capable of speaking for himself, but I think his argument was that many on the right seem to have stopped adding "-ists" to Islam when discussing things.

And as has been said here, I don't think it's so much moderate Muslims that we need to support as liberal Muslims (liberal, moderate, and conservative being relative terms).

This post seems perfectly reasonable to me.  As did Dean's.

Posted by: KG at September 29, 2006 12:22 PM (AC0TE)

4 Amen brother!! Well written!!
 
We have a liberal Islamic movement which is actually gaining momentum here in Indonesia. The NU, which is headed by former president Gus Dur, and has about 40 million adherents here, is leaning more and more towards a liberal Islamic view and Gus Dur is a big promoter of interfaith co-operation. His militia protect churches here during Christmas and Easter. We also have the Liberal Islam Network which many of my Muslim friends belong to. This is from their website. And yes, they are taking a stand against militants and promoters of shariah law here.
 
Liberal Islam (LI) is a new interpretation form of the Islam religion with the insights:

a. The openness of ijtihad's gates in the entire aspects.


LI believes that ijtihad (the rational thinking of Islamic texts) is the main tenet that enables Islam to hold out through any seasons. Any locking of ijtihad gates, partially or even entirely, is a threat upon Islam itself. Since in this way, Islam would be rotten. LI believes that ijtihad could be held almost in every aspect, within ilahiyyat (theology), ubudiyyat (ritual), or (especially) muamalat (social interaction). ijtihad's space in ubudiyyat is exactly slighter than the other two aspects.

b. Emphasize on the ethical- religious spirit, not the literal meaning of the text.

Ijtihad that developed by LI is an endeavor of Islam's interpretation based on the ethical-religious spirit of the Qur'an and the Sunnah, not merely interpreting Islam based on the literal meaning of the text. The literal kind of interpretation would only "kill" Islam. Only by using the ethical-religious spirit based interpretation, Islam would live and grow creatively associated to the universal "humanistic civilization".

c. The relative, open, and plural truth.

LI based on the notion vis-à-vis "truth" (in religious interpretation) as a relative thing, since an interpretation is "human activity " which is shackled in a certain context; open, since each form of interpretation contain an erroneous possibility, instead of a correct one; plural, since each religious interpretation, in one and other way, is a reflection of any interpreter's need in an incessantly changes of time and places.

d. Stand behind the minorities and the oppressed.

LI stands behind Islamic interpretations that withstand on minorities, oppressed, and marginalized. Every social-political structure that preserves injustice practices upon the minorities is against the spirit of Islam. In this context, minority should be understood in the wider meaning, including the religious minority, ethnic, race, culture, politic, economic, sexual orientation, etc. Gender equality is a problem that we concern of, since our social structure is still based on the patriarchal idea which against the justice idea in Islam. We consider any religious interpretations that do not concern on the gender equality is inappropriate with the justice principle of Islam.

e. Freedom of belief and faith.

LI considers that the matter of "being religious" or "being not religious" is a personal rights that should be protected. LI does not abide any prosecution on the base of an opinion or belief.

f. The separation of ukhrawi (heavenly) vis-à-vis duniawi (worldly) authority, and the religious vis-à-vis political authority.

LI believes in the very nature of separation between religious power and political one. LI does not withstand any notion regarding the religious state whereas the authority of ulama (religious leader) or kiai (Javanese-Indonesian term of religious leader) is observed as the highest authorities that could not be wrong. The healthy form of state for the religious and political growth is a state where both authorities are separated. Religion is an inspirational source that could influence public policies, but religion is not the one and the only source that have transcendental privilege that could not be denied to determine all public policies form. Finally, religion works on private and individual spaces. Public affairs should be held trough "collective ijtihad" process, where everyone can debate, where every truth is determined inductively through the fit and proper test of vision.

2. Why named as Liberal Islam?

The name of "Liberal Islam" illustrate our fundamental principles; Islam which emphasizes on "private liberties" (according to Mu'tazilah's doctrine regarding "human liberties"), and "liberation" of socio-political structure from the unhealthy and oppressing domination. The "liberal" adjective has two meanings: "liberty" (being liberal) and "liberating". Please note that we do not believe in Islam as such---Islam without any adjective as some people argued. Islam is impossible without adjective, in fact Islam have been interpreted in so many different ways in accordance to the interpreter's need. We choose a genre of interpretation, and by this way, we selected an adjective for Islam, it is "liberal".


3. What is this Network's major mission?

Our missions are:
1. Develop the liberal Islamic interpretations that are appropriate to our principles, and disseminate it to as many people as possible.
2. Attempt to create dialogue rooms that are open and free from any pressures of conservatism. Only by the availability of open rooms for dialogues, the thought and Islamic action improvement could be well preserved.
3. Endeavor the formation of a fair and humanely social and political structure. We believe that the democratic system is a system that "in the very now" can accomplish those needs. In capitalism, we believe that there are some policies could be supported, and criticize some of its aspects as well.

Posted by: Stan the Infidel in Indonesia at September 29, 2006 12:30 PM (2jZfz)

5 Wait a minute. Not so fast. This article is advocating that the Muslims aren't liberal enough? WTF? And you are complaining that their liberals aren't engaging enough? Perhaps they saw how we treated our own liberals for the past 2 decades. Muslims, you think you are being attacking now? For Al--h's sake, don't call yourselves liberal! We don't want more pussy liberal Clinton lovers. Try 'Compasionate' Muslims instead. 

Posted by: tbone at September 29, 2006 01:03 PM (HGqHt)

6 Very good.

Posted by: Howie at September 29, 2006 01:08 PM (YdcZ0)

7 I like the idea of "liberal Muslims." I've also heard the term "free Muslims." Whatever term you like, more power to you. Let us know what we can do to help.

"Liberals" only started getting kicked around after they allowed the term "liberal" to be adopted and perverted by American Marxists. As near as I can tell, the term "liberal" has a leftist connotation in the US, but not elsewhere. American leftists now seem to prefer the term "progressive," which has the virtue of being sufficiently vague as to encompass almost anything. Now that the left has largely abandoned the term "liberal," maybe the term can move back to its original meaning and positive connotation.

I consider myself a "liberal," even though I'm not a leftist by any stretch.

Posted by: The All-Seeing Pirate Ragnar at September 29, 2006 02:10 PM (BjOjj)

8 There are Moderate Moslems, except if they are not in prisons or dead they are called another name entirely.
Apostate or sinner.
Our country which praises religious freedom, cannot fight or survive in a religious war. It's against our law. Our government is already totally unable to respond to the way Islam is fighting. It will come down to the small groups of people who fight Islam on a local and probably illegal scale that will determine who wins this war.
Islam will take over our government by any means needed legally voted in by us and have free rein to impose Sharia by force and all others here will be punished if we fight back outside the law.
History may show, that this is the period when our Government broke down and was rendered impotent by our own laws. We have legislated ourselves until we cannot defend ourselves.
I thank My God I am (so far) armed and free.

Posted by: Barry at September 29, 2006 02:58 PM (L5LRS)

9

Because I am a stickler for historical accuracy, I must insist on a correction to the original post. The jihad has not been on hold since 1492. You might read a little history of the Ottoman Empire, and find that it did not reach its zenith until sometime in the 16th or 17th C., and its jihad expeditions in both Europe and Asia went on well into the 1800's. Constantinople did not fall until 1453, and Eastern Europe and the Balkans bore the brunt of the jihad for many more generations.

Posted by: jesusland joe at September 29, 2006 03:00 PM (rUyw4)

10 Joe -

You are, of course, correct.

When I wrote that, I was focusing on the occupation of Andalusia, but Islamic occupation of European territory didn't end in 1492. The Battle of Vienna, for example, took place almost 200 years later (1683), and a Muslim presence in the Balkans continues to this day.

Good catch. (Did I mention I'd get busted in the comments if I failed to get the facts right? ;-)

Posted by: The All-Seeing Pirate Ragnar at September 29, 2006 03:46 PM (c/4ax)

11 Hell, the battle for Europe is not over. And the Muslims are winning. By legal immigration. The new style reconquista.
 
There will soon be only 3 countries:
 
1) The United States of Mexamerica (North and South America)
2) The Caliphate of Al Eurabia
3) China
 
Guess who is gonna dominate... The country with the proudest sense of national identity. Time to start learning Mandarin !

Posted by: Darth Vag at September 29, 2006 06:27 PM (HSkSw)

12 You know, Darth, you may be on to something, and this is a real possibility if things continue to develope along the lines we now see.

Posted by: jesusland joe at September 29, 2006 07:08 PM (rUyw4)

13 Most of my Muslim friends or former co-workers who follow this Liberal (Free) Muslim movement here, drink alcohol, have pre-marital sex, believe that couples can live together before marriage, follow Western culture, pray whenever they feel like it, support freedom of speech and religion, don't believe Muslims should be punished for apostasy, and hate the conservative and militant Muslims. The women wear will bikinis and mini-skirts if they choose to, and have the freedom to what they damn well please. Most of our actors/actresses, musicians and artists follow this form of Islam now. In general they still maintain healthy moral values (except the pre-marital sex part but a lot of conservative Muslims are doing it too) and tend to self censor rather than follow strict moral guidelines. They believe that nudity for art's sake is okay (i.e. topless Balinese statues, paintings  but nudity on TV and in magazines is unacceptable.
 
I have been asked to give a lecture in two weeks to a group of them on my Christian perspective of Islamic reformation in Indonesia and ways to improve inter-faith co-operation. 

Posted by: Stan the Infidel in Indonesia at September 29, 2006 10:51 PM (vJ+ym)

14 Stan, most of those "Liberal Muslims" still probably hate Israel.
 
Islam is a political organization.

Posted by: Darth Vag at September 29, 2006 11:24 PM (HSkSw)

15 I loved the Princess Bride reference.

Posted by: Pants at September 30, 2006 12:40 AM (EGhPR)

16 Islam, trust me, isn't seeking you, doesn't want you and could care less about your pitiful sentiments.
 
Apply first to the Mossad...I'm sure they can find a place for you in their death squads.
 
 

Posted by: Lilac at September 30, 2006 01:20 AM (Fjrg+)

17 Lilac may indeed be an anti-Semite.

Posted by: Darth Vag at September 30, 2006 02:27 AM (HSkSw)

18 What is it with the Leftists and the flower imagery? And what the hell makes Lilac an expert on Islam? Useful idiot that she is.

Posted by: jesusland joe at September 30, 2006 09:37 AM (rUyw4)

19 See, this is why i'm a pagan.  You don't see wiccan's and druids runnin around with crazy ideas about enforcing some kinda holy law on everyone.  Yup, we just keep quietly (most of the time) to ourselves and do what we do.  Its just safer that way.  Personally, i think any religion that asks me to mass murder anyone purely based on what they do or what they believe or the color of thier skin, is no religion for me.  I do have to agree sadly though, with the whole idea behind the article, should the Islamic conservative fundamentalists get thier way in the world...they'd be burning me mine at the stake again, and that'd just plain suck.  I'd gladly fight and die to keep islam from ruining my country the way its ruined so many others.  It is the nature of humans to seek freedom of mind and body, and to try to control that via religion, law, or gov't sanction, is a recipe for bloodshed.
 
I shed more than one tear for the lives lost in this senseless slaughter over oil and religion though.  I think we can all agree, it just isn't right.

Posted by: Pagan Pride at October 01, 2006 02:04 AM (BbN9O)

20 "... many on the right seem to have stopped adding "-ists" to Islam when discussing things."



KG, while you are correct in this, conversely, many on the left
won't even differentiate.  The problem lies not with dropping the -ist but
the fact that even when used, it is still misinterpreted as too
generalized.  What CAN we call these totalitarians?  Every
word, created anew like "Islamofascist" or even the standard "terrorist"
is argued vehemently.  With the exception of people like "Stan the
Infidel", who clearly understands the difference, we must constantly
add disclaimers and qualifiers to make sure we aren't offending that
one person like "Lilac" above who wears his/her hate like a comfortable
sweater.  And see what good it did when "All Seeing" consistently
added the -ist?  Lilac
still got its panties in a wad.  The way I see it is that if
someone has gone and gotten all offended by a basic truth then I've
likely hit my mark.



Christians are berated and disparaged consistently by many people yet,
they do not join militias or jihads seeking to kill those who speak
badly of their faith (thereby proving the point), nor do they fund and
support it or even silently condone it.  I know many bigots who
call themselves "Christians".  But I simply avoid them without
fear of peril or death.



Like lawyer jokes - I don't know a single lawyer who is offended enough
by them to burn someone's house down or even hand someone else the
matches.  Most that I know repeat them and laugh just as hard as
anyone else because they are confident in their own morality and
honesty.  The ones who are offended probably need to be. 
Offense usually is born of a sense of guilt.



We all know that one bad apple doesn't spoil the whole bunch.  To
refuse to buy the basket does not imply that every apple is bad.



All we ask is that those Muslims who do not agree with, or condone, the totalitarian Islamists
speak out.  Some do and we are grateful that they understand that
their very existence is imperiled too.  But they are a distinct
minority and we need more to be vocal about it.

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By CAIR, of course.

Can't really blame the guy for pulling the ad. Who would want to risk their inventory being trashed by hordes of howling, angry, yet peaceful religionists?

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To avoid being the whole hassle of you know, shit blowing up.

ABCNEWS: "That's where we kind of agree with some of the people who've criticized our show," Stone says, "Because it really is open season on Jesus. We can do whatever we want to Jesus, and we have. We've had him say bad words. We've had him shoot a gun. We've had him kill people. We can do whatever we want. But Mohammed, we couldn't just show a simple image.”

Other networks took a similar course, refusing to air images of Mohammed — even when reporting on the Denmark cartoon riots — claiming they were refraining because they're religiously tolerant, the South Park creators say.

"No you're not," Stone retorts. "You're afraid of getting blown up. That's what you're afraid of. Comedy Central copped to that, you know: 'We're afraid of getting blown up.'"

Stan : Hey, Muhammad, there is a Toyota pickup full of blood-thirsty Jihadis hanging out of your ass!

Muhammad: No there isn’t!

Hat Tip: Glenn Reynolds via Instapundit.

Related Jawa Report Southpark censorship posts here and here.

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A new report suggests that news that Osama bin Laden was killed are actually part of a secret CIA ruse meant to distract people about the real intent of the so-called "war" on terror. The report also says that the CIA feigned bin Laden's death:

So they simply whisk him off to some safe house for a few months - give him a make over (including cosmetic surgery) and the "Osama bin Laden" we all knew of is officially dead. The man formerlly known as Osama gets a new identity, a huge bank account, and lives happily ever after.

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I do not support torturing any prisoners in the custody of the U.S. But I also do not support giving those who have violated the Geneva Conventions the protections of those Conventions. To do so undermines the rule of law and, in fact, works against our interest in seeing that those Conventions are followed.

My latest piece at Townhall, Carrots and Sticks: The Geneva Conventions are not an Entitlement:

The idea behind the Conventions is that if you agree to abide by their rules, your captured combatants will be treated humanely. Human treatment is an inducement to follow the rules of war.

That is called a carrot.

But there is also a negative inducement. If you do not agree to abide by their rules, your captured combatants will not be treated humanely. At least, there is no legal guarantee that they will. The prospect that you will have no legal protections against pain and suffering if you get captured is an inducement to follow the rules of war.

That is called a stick.....

What the Democrats and some Republicans are offering to terrorists is no inducement at all to follow the rules of war.

They are, in fact, creating an entitlement for terrorists.

UPDATE: Does torture sometimes work? Apparently so.

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Actually, I don't believe we are at war with Islam. I do believe we are at war with Islamists and that when given the choice between siding with Islamists or the Great Satan, most Muslims side with the Islamists. We are the other and all that.

That is, they see themselves as part of a different civilization than ours. They may hate the Taliban, but they hate it even more when we fight the Taliban.

So, we are at war with Islamic Civilization. Don't want to be, but we are.

And maybe I'm way off here, but I believe Islamism and Islamic Civilization might have something to do with, I dunno, Islam.

And, in the end, it doesn't matter what Bush says because a whole lot of Muslims are already at war with us and a great deal more believe we are at war with Islam.

Anyway, go see the video of Bush at the U.N. here. Lots of different ways you can take it. Personally I see the role of the President not so much to speak truth to power, but to try and win friends and influence people. So, kudos for saying what has to be said, and kudos for doing what had to be done when it came to Afghanistan and Iraq.

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Judy sends along this link with the idea that it's not so much what Robert Biddinto is explaining as who. Fingers pointed in Greg's direction. Others have already e-mailed me this, we may have even linked it, but come on.....Greg. How can I not post it? Biddinto:

Observe that in political conspiracies of this sort, we often see the whack-job left and the moonbat right meet and blend. Nutcase "paleolibertarians" on the Lew Rockwell website, tinfoil-hat John Birch conservatives, chromosome-challenged Marxist ideologues from the Workers World Party, and envy-eaten Eurotrash intellectuals all wind up on the same side, and doing the same thing: feeding the paranoid delusions of anti-American radical Islamists. They constitute a de facto coalition of paranoid malice, united in only one respect: in their shared hatred for the great Satan, the U.S. government....

[Conspiratorialists] tend to be powerless, frustrated people living in social isolation, who have no contact with the Big Shots whom they assume run everything, and no inkling about how high-level decisions are really made. Many of these people do have highly honed deductive capacities, however: they are rationalists par excellence, who have the tenacity to meticulously follow any random premise or fact down a long, attenuated deductive chain, to the most absurd conclusions imaginable. How? By evading or explaining away any inconvenient empirical fact to the contrary that might blow their grand theories to smithereens. In fact, theorizing is the sole source of their pride: impotent in the social world, all they have left to exercise control over are the contents of their skulls. So they take great solace and pride from their ability to add 2 and 2, and concoct the totally creative 9.

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Perhaps traitor is too extreme of a word. Oh, wait, what else do you call a sitting U.S. Senator that travels the world warning our enemies of our nefarious plots against them?

Traitors, indeed.

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An artist's conception of resident conspiracist Truther troll Greg.

stein hoist: Cox & Forkum

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Radical Islam's shiny-happy face to America, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), has given us its list of Congressdhimmis who support their 'interests'.

Wow, the fifth column named! This is a lot like Sen. Joseph McCarthy's infamous list. Only this time ithe list is real and the Commies did Joe a favor by publishing it themselves.

Among those that scored 100% on CAIR's list is the next Speaker of the House should the Democrats win: Nancy Pelosi.

Why does The Manchurian Candidate--the good one...the one directed by John Frankenheimer--suddenly come to mind?

Go check out the other traitors here.

UPDATE: Not so fast.

The All-Seeing Pirate Ragnar notes in the comments that all the Congressdhimmis got a 100% rating and the rest got a 0% rating. Which probably indicates that the rating is based on a single vote.

If that is the case, the rating system is pretty worthless. A scale cannot be based on a dichotomous choice. If you voted for whatever it was the CAIR was for, you got 100%, if you voted against it nada.

So, the rating system is flawed and borderline meaningless. Not entirely meaningless, just borderline so.

What CAIR really wants to say, if we are right, is that "these people voted once the way we thought they should." But that one time must have been a whopper.

It seems to be a single vote from 2005. What was the vote that CAIR was so passionate about?

UPDATE part deux: Rob tells me that he's contacted Vote Smart about it. They are going to try to get back to him tonight. Check his post out for updates on that.

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Downright batshit crazy, I tell ya.

Oops, I meant to say batsh*t.

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Do you remember Jay's rap from Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back? Just the first two lines of it.

Yeah, that's how I'm feeling right now about the war on radical Islam.

First, there are our allies. Check, out this analysis of the present state of Pakistan. Hint: it aint good. For every hot Pakistani bikini model it looks like there are hundreds of crazies willing to kill her and it isn't getting better, it's getting worse.

Second, there are the don't-question-our-patriotism liberals in the academy. Okay, so its not alright for me to question the aesthetics of bad-gay homosexuality but it is okay for the former President of Iran to call it a crime punishable by death? All in the name of what? Starting a dialogue. I feel dirty being part of this profession today. I mean, more dirty than usual.

Third are the idiot scholars and senior diplomats that the media often turn to for 'analysis'. I heard Zbigniew Brezezinski on the radio the other day talking about how there was no such thing as an ideological battle between the West and Islamist extremist. It's not so much that I blame Carter's National Security Advisor for being an idiot who doesn't know how to read al Qaeda's own statements as much as I blame the morons at NPR for giving him time to spread this lunacy.

NPR also ran a segment by an 'expert' who says that we should let Islamists take control of Muslim countries so that people will see that the adoption of Sharia is not the path to utopia. This is the let them come to power so they can fail approach. Which is fine, except this asshat of an expert failed to mention that Islamists have been in power in Afghanistan (Taliban) and failed, and are presently in power in Gaza, Sudan, Somalia, and Iran---all signs pointing toward no utopiayet--- yet Muslims all over the world continue to clamor for this self-imposed slavery! Nice theory asshole.

But I expect moderate Muslim countries to be in reality barbaric states with only a lukewarm commitment to helping us fight Islamist forces. I expect liberals in the academy to be idiotic f*cktards who jump on every opportunity to criticize the smallest mote in our own eyes while ignoring the beam in the eyes of our enemies. I expect the media to turn to so-called experts and senior diplomats who's expertise consists of nothing more than the worst foreign policy in American history and contrarian theories based on no evidence.

All this is par for the course. No big deal. Expected.

What is really putting me in a mood, though, is the notion that Republicans in Congress are now in a race to the bottom with the Democrats over who can be weakest against an enemy that wishes both parties nuked.

What are the first lines of Jay's rap again? Repeat those over and over again.

UPDATE: Double eff-eff-eff, mother-effing-eff.

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Waking Holger, posting at my own blog home (Sammenhold), notes yet another disappointing demonstration, via NPR, of the immeasurable depths of leftist moral relativism:

Without any apparent moral reference Dr. [Howard] Zinn plodded through the tired 'analysis' of the GWOT, claiming that President Bush is no different than Osama. None. Even given the opportunity to re-state or clarify, simply added more emphasis that he believes there is no difference.

At one point, David Frum, former speechwriter to Bush Senior, and editor of National Review, among other things, was on the show to comment.

Dr. Zinn, demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of history or human nature, stated that all the problems of the world relating to terrorism are caused by the GWB war machine. All of them. If we simply stopped the fighting, all terrorism would stop. . . .

To which David Frum responded "Tell that to the Danes."

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Oh my god so funny. Smoking Newports is bad gay. Having to bum them is even more bad gay.

Via Ace and LGF:As soon as we got up to ground level, 2 other dudes our age came over to us to bum a ciggerette(now that is an indication of their intelligence, you spell cigarette this way, Marlboro)…. … “ya’ll dont REALLY beleive terrorists brought those buildings down, DO YOU????” “Hell no dawgs, that’s why it says ‘INVESTIGATE’.” After realizing we were both citizens of Reality, we stood around and talked for a few minutes, smoked our Newports, then parted ways.

I was happy and wanted to smoke weed now, so me and my boy took a walk and found an empty alleyway to smoke in. Then when I was lighting up, my boy started freestyling and said “I hate to see how Trees heart’s gon’ be breakin/ cuz him and Alex parted ways before the picture was taken.”

Hat Tip : Larwyn again. Who wrote this? I suspect mommy's boy above other candidates below. Photo credit El Marco. more...

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Good one from Jonah Goldberg....who is a J-O-O and thus must be part of the cover up. RCP:

The masons of dementia build upon a bedrock of one absolute truth: Bad things happen, and someone must be responsible. Upon this bedrock they pile convenient and selective facts like bricks. Contradictory facts are clever lies. When Popular Mechanics debunked 9/11 hokum, the immediate response from conspiratorialists was "cover-up!" and "CIA front!" because in this perverted faith, denying the ultimate truth must be proof of a lie.

This rough beast slouches toward sedition because it assumes not that our leaders are knaves or even mere criminals, but that they are murderous Supermen with no loyalty to nation, decency or law. Our Constitution is a fraud, a charade for the rubes some of us naively call citizens. If you disagree, you're either fool or "in on it." In his 1964 essay, "The Paranoid Style in American Politics," Richard Hofstadter demonstrated that this fever of the mind is as old as America itself and its outbreaks flare up across the ideological landscape. What is so sad and frightening is that this diseased thinking is reaching epidemic proportions. More than a third of Americans believe the U.S. government was likely to have been involved in 9/11.

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Special correspondant to The Jawa Report, El Marco, was at Ground Zero for the fifth anniversary of 9/11. To his dismay, this is some of what he saw. Truthers on parade. Where is the Ohio National Guard when you need them?

Luckily, there were some patriots at Ground Zero as well.

Proud Navy Dad

Cuban refugee who knows what 'peace' really means

You can see the rest of El Marco's photos from Ground Zero here.

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Help, I'm being oppressed!

NYTIMES:

At times, Mr. Zubaydah, still weak from his wounds, was stripped and placed in a cell without a bunk or blankets. He stood or lay on the bare floor, sometimes with air-conditioning adjusted so that, one official said, Mr. Zubaydah seemed to turn blue. At other times, the interrogators piped in deafening blasts of music by groups like the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

What I got you got to get it put it in you.

Update by Howie: By the way, you may torture yourself here Master Rusty.

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Wow. I didn't know there was video of a drone over bin Laden's Afghanistan base. Gateway Pundit cites a sourse saying that you can see bin Laden himself in the video.

Pretty damning of the Clinton administration, I'd say. But, as Vinnie says here, ultimately the responsibility for 9/11 goes back to bin Laden and even further to Mohammed, and not Clinton or Bush.

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The Washington Times has picked up our story about Democratic nominee for Congress Dr. Bob Bowman and his incredible conspiracy theories. Bowman believes Vice President Dick Cheney was behind 9/11.

Not to be outdone by other conpsiracy theorists who are even more crazy, Bowman also believes the Trilateralist Commission secretly runs the world economy. I wish this was a joke, but it's not. Bowman actually claims these things on his own website and Bowman actually just won the Democratic primary in Florida's 15th district.

Our original story Democrats Nominate 9/11 Conspiracy Theorist Bob Bowman in Florida is here.

Washington Times Inside Politics:

After learning of Mr. Bowman's primary victory, blogger Rusty Shackleford (http://mypetjawa.mu.nu) posted video of Mr. Bowman speaking at a June "9/11 Truth" symposium.

"The official story ... of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash -- it's impossible," Mr. Bowman told the symposium. Referring to a "cover-up" of the facts about the 2001 attacks, Mr. Bowman said that "high levels of our government don't want us to know what happened and who was responsible."

Who was responsible? "I think the case is pretty clear that it's highly placed individuals in the administration, with all roads passing through [Vice President] Dick Cheney," Mr. Bowman told the gathering in Los Angeles, suggesting that the Bush administration was guilty of "high treason and conspiracy to commit murder."

And just in case you missed the updates yesterday, here is Bowman from his own website on the New World Order conspiracy: more...

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A rebuttal video of the Loose Change II video. Loose Change is a video produced by conspiracy theorists.....or was it?

It's a long video, but if you have "Truther" friends who are into the 9/11 conspiracy--like Democratic candidate Dr. Bob Bowman--then you might want to get them to watch this.

Updated by Howie: Conspiracy Theory: Hard hitting data research by men using brain. Never mind their head is inside their rectums.

Hat Tip: Mark.

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Democrats in Florida's 15th district have nominated a 9/11 conspiracy theorist to run for Congress.

Dr. Bob Bowman had 55 percent over 45 percent for John M. Kennedy. The winner will face incumbent Republican Rep. Dave Weldon.

But don't worry, it's okay for him to "quesion" 9/11, because Dr. Bob Bowman is a retired Air Force officer. See how that works, if you served in the military, you get the pass from the Democrats.

At least he's no chickenhawk.

Plus he's got a Ph.D. I mean, that would get me to vote for him right there.

And for you Catholics out there, it just gets worse. He's a former "Archbishop" of the "United Catholic Church"....where gays, lesbians, and abortion rights activists who are out of Communion go to congregate.

Here's his website.

Doesn't it just make you proud to be a Democrat?

Source:

The former head of the Star Wars missile defense program under Presidents Ford and Carter has gone public to say that the official version of 9/11 is a conspiracy theory and his main suspect for the architect of the attack is Vice President Dick Cheney.

"The exercises that went on that morning simulating the exact kind of thing that was happening so confused the people in the FAA and NORAD....that they didn't they didn't know what was real and what was part of the exercise," said Bowman

"I think the people who planned and carried out those exercises, they're the ones that should be the object of investigation."

Asked if he could name a prime suspect who was the likely architect behind the attacks, Bowman stated, "If I had to narrow it down to one person....I think my prime suspect would be Dick Cheney."

Bowman said that privately his military fighter pilot peers and colleagues did not disagree with his sentiments about the real story behind 9/11.

UPDATE: Found it in two places. I had heard of Bowman from commenters, both of whom cite Bowman as an authority figure. Here's one: MA Mosque Claims U.S. Government Behind 9/11. Here's the other: Charlie Sheen: CIA, Jews, Space Aliens Caused 9/11

And do you want to know how I found out that Bowman had won? I was monitoring a "moderate" Muslim message board in the UK. These "moderates" were ecstatic that Bowman had won. I'm not kidding, you don't get more mainstream than these guys.

UPDATE: Video of Bowman and much more below the fold. Says: "The official 9/11 story is hogwash..is impossible...prove that high levels of our government don't want us to know what happened and who was repsonsible." Hmm, maybe it was the Mossad? No?

"...all roads lead to Cheney.... High treason and conspiracy to commit murder." Freaking amazing! more...

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1 former head of the Star Wars missile defense program under Presidents Ford and Carter

Ok, now wait one damn minute. There seems to be some temporal anomaly working here. Possibly a rogue wormhole from a parallel universe...

Posted by: mojo at September 06, 2006 11:00 AM (g1cNf)

2 If we worked in the Ford Administration, my guess is Rumsfeld and/or Cheney did something back then that hurt his feelings...

Oh, and I gotta love one of his issues: he is against "nuclear war." Duh, who is in favor of it besides the President of Iran?

Posted by: Mark at September 06, 2006 11:05 AM (XSi5N)

3 Wasn't he a participant in project Blue Book?
 
Did we have a missile defense program back then? I would have thought Carter would have scrapped it. Hell of a President that Carter was. Too bad he and Koffi don't drive over the same IED somewhere.

Posted by: SeeMonk at September 06, 2006 11:16 AM (7teJ9)

4 This will only just hurt the democrats in the long run.

Posted by: d at September 06, 2006 11:53 AM (+K+cv)

5 Mojo is on it!

Posted by: QC at September 06, 2006 11:56 AM (PX+vn)

6 This will only just hurt the democrats in the long run.

Yes it will, and I support their support of lefturd moonbats like this 100%.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 06, 2006 12:09 PM (v3I+x)

7 "Bowman said that privately his military fighter pilot peers and colleagues did not disagree with his sentiments about the real story behind 9/11."

That's interesting because every pilot friend of the family; be it tanker, cargo, fighter, attack, bomber; thinks the conspiracy therorists are full of it.

Posted by: Ranba Ral at September 06, 2006 12:14 PM (VvXII)

8 The guy in florida 11, John Fox, is a particular delight. Every morning commute i get to listen to his commercial...

"I'm in favor of an IMMEDIATE PULLOUT from Iraq..."

then you can almost hear the little running footsteps of tiny interns (like mice but meeker) as they bring him the second half of the script

"...BUT MAINTAINING AIR COVER..."

and then you can just see the little ass, asking his handlers "Did that sound right? Tough? I'm not sure... what's air power?"

Seriously bad stuff. Luckily he's gonna get it in the teeth.

For those of you in the other 49, on behalf of florida:

Pray for us poor sinners now and at the hour of our death...

Posted by: jdubious at September 06, 2006 12:16 PM (G7s9a)

9 I too am constantly embarrassed by the likes of people like Bowman and Corrine Brown just to name a couple. I'm only thankful that I'm in North Florida and all those little commies live south of Daytona.

Posted by: Oyster at September 06, 2006 02:07 PM (TXlS9)

10 Good grief! And this guy actually thinks he can win in Florida's 15th District??? I happen to live in that district. This is the biggest Republican/conservative district in Florida!!

If he can win here, David Duke can be elected as the head of the Congressional Black Caucus.

I hope his butt gets creamed come November, God be Willing.

Posted by: Nabil Ahmad at September 06, 2006 03:12 PM (F/gTx)

11 "The former head of the Star Wars missile defense program under Presidents Ford and Carter...."

Are you sure this isn't a spoof? Could anyone be that stupid? SDI (Star Wars defense) didn't even get started until 1982 (IIRC) when Reagan was in office. And the Star Wars movie didn't come out until Ford was out of office.

Posted by: Mr. T at September 06, 2006 03:15 PM (CaZ8M)

12 You think it would be beyond a guy who believes Dick Cheney was behind 9/11 to, you know, pad his resume a bit?

Posted by: Rusty "Head of Star Wars Under Nixon" Shackleford at September 06, 2006 03:19 PM (JQjhA)

13 This blog is swamped with right wing nut jobs

Posted by: William White at September 06, 2006 03:35 PM (Fja95)

14 wow i had to listen to it twice, did anyone else notice he admitted this is about a power grab? at 4:35 of the video till 5:00. if he really believes this happened why would it matter how the election turns out in order to have an investigation?

Posted by: free at September 06, 2006 03:36 PM (z6Ajt)

15 How astute of you to notice, William, just remember to wear your magic aluminum foil deflector beenie when you visit, you know, so the JOOOOOOoooooooooish mind control rays won't getcha!

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 06, 2006 03:39 PM (v3I+x)

16 This blog is swamped with right wing nut jobs

Why thank you Willie. But we require better insults here. Try again?

Posted by: Darth Odie at September 06, 2006 03:40 PM (D3+20)

17 Make sure to check out the update.  Found another Dem running for Congress on the tinfoil platform!

Posted by: Rusty "Right Wing Nutjob and Head of Star Wars Under FDR" Shackleford at September 06, 2006 03:54 PM (JQjhA)

18 Ha! He's running against my Congressman; maybe I should do reporting on this one...

Posted by: Frank J. at September 06, 2006 04:05 PM (9C2q4)

19 This is fantastic!!

The Bush Hate Syndrome is kicking in big!

Drudge has a link on his front pages with a story on a parallel track. Now if only the nutters can have their 'climax' of nutterdom on Nov.2nd....

MU-HU-Hahahahahahaha!!

Posted by: mrclark at September 06, 2006 04:30 PM (VxWAO)

20 -OPERATION NORTHWOODS: US plan to carry out terror attacks against us citizens to start war with cuba
-Executive order W199i in which bush ordered FBI agents off OBL's case before the attacks or face arrrest
-US military ran wargames on 9/11, same targets, same atttacks
-Many Hijackers have been found alive
-On FBI website: OBL is not wanted for 9/11 attacks it was removed from his list of crimes in nov. 2001
-FBI now says no hard evidence connecting OBL to 9/11
-OBL in confession video is fatter, and has an apparent nose job
-9/11 commission says twin towers did not have 47 huge steel beams in middle of the buildlings, yet they can be seen in photographs, instead they say it was hollow elevator shafts
-Thousands of put options placed on major airlines before attacks
-Several hijackers trained at us bases in CIA spy training
-Prof.Steven Jones has found thermate in WTC steel
-WTC leaseholder larry silverstein said they pulled WTC7-NIST said there were no firemen in WTC7

Posted by: isaac at September 06, 2006 04:42 PM (MOEB0)

21 heh heh...didn't take the nutters long to find us.

Like moths to a flame...

Posted by: mrclark at September 06, 2006 04:49 PM (VxWAO)

22 Yes dumbass and Bushhitlerhellibacon did the 7/7 bombings, Madird,  India, Bali, blew up shia shrines.  Founded Israel,  Invented crack,put all thme kids in Waco to make Clinton look bad. Installed Aamininutajad to push up the price of oil.  Caused the extiction of dinosaurs and blew up the space shuttle to get funding to go to Mars because man there's oil all over the place there.

Posted by: Howie at September 06, 2006 04:49 PM (YdcZ0)

23 Rusty,
This "9-11 conspiracy" stuff has come a long way since I began ranting about it on 9-12-01, as a lone moonbat.
It took the "Who Shot JFK" crowd 20 years to achieve this amount of press.
Be smart and invest in tin foil.

Posted by: Greg at September 06, 2006 05:00 PM (PnoGS)

24 Why dont you actually investigate yourself instaid of calling us moonbats, nutters, and dumbasses. You seem to be the ones with less brain power.

200+ 9/11 smoking guns:
http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html

professor steven jones paper on controlled demolition of WTC buildlings:

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

Posted by: isaac at September 06, 2006 05:08 PM (MOEB0)

25 Hey moonbat, nutter and dumbass,

Here's what real engineers and scientists have to say:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

Jones can't even get his fellow profs to back him up (unless you believe philosophy and social science profs understand and are experts in engineering and science).

Posted by: Don Miguel at September 06, 2006 05:25 PM (+KixN)

26 I think it was Ed Begley Jr. who planned the whole kit-and-kaboodle.
 
Damn, whats he doing at that conference?.  It sucks that he's a moonbat too. He was great in "She-Devil" and "Meet the Applegates, eh?"

Posted by: Jimmy the Dhimmi at September 06, 2006 05:29 PM (CI4Lt)

27 The Popular Mechanics hit piece was done by Benjamin Cherthoff, the cousin of the Homeland Security Chief, Michael Cherthoff.
You know the one I mean. The dude with dual Israeli/American citizenship who is the head of Homeland Security here in America.
PM's debunking has been debunked.

Posted by: Greg at September 06, 2006 05:33 PM (PnoGS)

28 Man, I step away for an hour and the roof burns down. I see Greg made an appearance.
 
I will admit it. I was behind 9/11 all along. I did it! Yes I did it! HAHAHAHAHa
 
I used remote controls and spiked all of the aircrew on the plane with LSD. I then prjected my evil mind ray after removing all of the tin foil from the planes! It worked perfectly! PERFECTLY HAHAHAHAHA!

Posted by: SeeMonk at September 06, 2006 05:37 PM (n4VvM)

29 I guess it's just a coincidence Ben Chertoff, chief editor of the piece, is a cousin to mike chertoff(homeland security), an agency which owes its very existence to the establishment version of the 9/11 attack.

This entire article uses Straw-man arguments to attack the 9/11 truth movement, propping up arguments that hte majority of us do not support then debunking them. Of the sixteen points 4 or 5 are questionable, and i give that to the article. However, You can find people that think aliens run the country. Point is, hearst is synonmous with yellow journalism, do a google search. The tactics used by the publishers are childish and straw man arguments easily work on those who are not familiar with the 9/11 theories that have wealths of evidence behind them, but instead are familiar with ridiculous theoires like the ones that say that no planes hit the towers. They lie outright by saying that in the decade before 9/11 there was only one intercept of errant aircraft. This is a masterful piece of disinformation meant to bolster support in the masses for the offical version of events, and make those with evidence to the contrary look like kooks-via stawman arguemnts.

However the article also refuses to report many things, such as the warnings not to fly that officals recieved, CIA insider trading, Larry silversteins comments, etc.

Posted by: isaac at September 06, 2006 05:46 PM (MOEB0)

30 This is getting fun.  Do we have enough tinfoil to insulate us?

Posted by: Rusty "Teddy Roosevelt's Man in Charge of Star Wars Missile Defense" Shackleford at September 06, 2006 05:46 PM (JQjhA)

31 http://bowman2006.com/issues_az.htm#Gay_Rights

This is what the jackass has to say about gay rights:
"Gay Rights: I support human rights; and the last time I checked, homosexuals were human beings. So by definition I support homosexual rights."

Damn I love circular reasoning.
Democrats are born morons.
Substitute "homosexual" with the flavor of your choice:

I support human rights; and the last time I checked, illegal aliens were human beings. So by definition I support illegal alien rights.

I support human rights; and the last time I checked, jihadists were human beings. So by definition I support jihadist rights.

I support human rights; and the last time I checked, child molestors were human beings. So by definition I support child molestor rights.

I support human rights; and the last time I checked, necrophiliacs were human beings. So by definition I support necrophiliac rights.

Posted by: Darth Vag at September 06, 2006 06:02 PM (HSkSw)

32 I for one welcome our new "gay" overlords.

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/angelina_jolie_lesbian_kiss.jpg

Posted by: Rusty "Abraham Lincoln's point man on Missile Defense" Shackleford at September 06, 2006 06:05 PM (JQjhA)

33 http://bowman2006.com/about.htm

"His Ph.D. is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech."

AN ACADEMIC !!!
The elitist know-it-all bastard!

Well, a Ph.D. is no protection from schizophrenia.

Posted by: Darth Vag at September 06, 2006 06:07 PM (HSkSw)

34 If you cant hang with us on the issue, you resort to character assasination and changing the topic. Nice tactics. This seems to be rampant here, you guys are all ready to attack the messenger but you ignore the message. You would be great citizens in Nazi germany or the soviet union.

bowman2006.com:

Defense of Marriage Amendments: I vehemently oppose amending the Constitution of the United States (or of the individual states) to enshrine discrimination by prohibiting gay marriage. The recently proposed federal amendment would have not only banned gay marriage, but also banned any arrangement resulting in gay couples having any of the rights and privileges of marriage. It would thus have banned gay unions by whatever name. This unconscionable bigotry is an attempt to once again pander to the “religious” right in order to get them out to vote, enhancing the chances of Republican candidates.

The truth is that gay couples do not threaten the institution of marriage. Heterosexual couples do that by engaging in adultery and divorce. If someone wants to protect marriage, those are the things they should take on – not gays. We don’t need to amend the Constitution, but we might want to consider laws making it not so easy to get a divorce, whether you’re gay or straight. Such decisions should be left to the voters of each state, not dictated by the Constitution.

Posted by: isaac at September 06, 2006 06:07 PM (MOEB0)

35 I should state that as an acamademic within an apedemic environment I am qualified to criticize academics.

Posted by: Darth Vag at September 06, 2006 06:11 PM (HSkSw)

36 So because Mr.Bowman has achieved some merit in the academic world, he is an eliteist "know-it-all-bastard"? By your standards i guess we shuld not have qualified people who are successful running for postitions of leadership in government.

Posted by: isaac at September 06, 2006 06:12 PM (MOEB0)

37 No, by our standards he is a nut and so are you!

Posted by: Doctor Rusty "what the hell is my Ph.D. in again" Shackleford at September 06, 2006 06:14 PM (JQjhA)

38 No-one ever said you could not be critical of academics, however, to attack someone as being a know-it-all-bastard for merely being an academic is very childish to say the least.

Posted by: isaac at September 06, 2006 06:17 PM (MOEB0)

39 isaac are you a QUEER ?
come on now, just come out of the closet you manly man!
prance out of that closet right now, sashay out with those heels and satin feather boa!
you know you're gonna like it you testosterone fueled bitch!

Posted by: Darth Vag at September 06, 2006 06:18 PM (HSkSw)

40 Rusty you have now joined the ranks of childish mud throwing. If you guys are not capable of explaing your points of view using REAL ISSUES or topics, instead of "...he is a nut and so are you!" and "AN ACADEMIC !!! The elitist know-it-all bastard!" then im done with this discussion.

Posted by: isaac at September 06, 2006 06:21 PM (MOEB0)

41 I checked out Dr. Bob's site to read his other views, and I think I'll have to put myself in the undecided camp for Novemember. While Weldon is a good conservative, at least with Dr. Bob we finally have someone taking a stand against the U.S. military using violent videogames to desensitize our soldiers to killing.

Posted by: Frank J. at September 06, 2006 06:23 PM (ND1d/)

42 Isaac, please go back to West Hollywood you elitist, academic, femme-bear, America-hating bastard.

Posted by: Darth Vag at September 06, 2006 06:24 PM (HSkSw)

43 wow, i guess i did timewarp back to 2nd grade on this site. Darth if you are an academic, I hope your reading My Pet Goat and Curious George-stay in your reading level buddy. So much for discussing 9.11 huh guys? Keep clutching on to every piece of propaganda that mike chertoff's cousin puts out, or the ministry of truth puts out, because we are gaining steam, and 9/11 is being exposed.

Posted by: isaac at September 06, 2006 06:27 PM (MOEB0)

44 Aww! Did I get your goat?

Hee hee.

Posted by: Darth Vag at September 06, 2006 06:29 PM (HSkSw)

45 Boo-hoo, Isaac went home.

FrankJ,

Personally it's his abolish the CIA thing which is most intriguing to me.

Posted by: Rusty "Andrew Jackson's advisor on Star Wars" Shackleford at September 06, 2006 06:30 PM (JQjhA)

46 No darth, your the true America-hater, because you belive that dissent is unpatriotic. In your narrowminded mind you feel that the only way to serve your country is to blindly support policies that weaken the military, devalue our dollar, keep open our borders, and waste trillions in tax dollars(see pentagon announces missing 2 trillion dollars). If you truly cared about your country you would want to better it, and sometimes that means having the courage to face what's going on and fighting for change. You have no idea about the ideals this country was founded on.


"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."
-Mark Twain

"We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate and to defend causes that were, for the moment, unpopular."

-Edward R. Murrow

Posted by: isaac at September 06, 2006 06:35 PM (MOEB0)

47 Isaac,
Listen to the Circle Jerk Boys, all in a nervous, giggly, twitter.
Keep coming back, man.
When I started working with this brain trust, one never heard talk of 9-11.
Now, it is featured on an almost daily basis.
They're on the run.

Posted by: Greg at September 06, 2006 06:36 PM (PnoGS)

48 How about this for squelching freedom of speech Isaac from Western Kentucky University......

BANNED!

Posted by: Rusty "George Washington's right-hand-man on SDI" Shackleford at September 06, 2006 06:48 PM (JQjhA)

49 This is unbelievable. Isaac comes here with his nutball theories, which also mirror another gay that we are familiar with at this site, namely Greg. Are all gays crazy, or is it that many crazy people are gay? You know what, I believe the homos blew up the WTC in order to blame it on Bush. And I believe they held the goats of the al-Queda terrorists hostage, and forced the Hobson's choice of losing their lives or their goats onto the poor Quedas. And you gays say you believe in human rights! What about the poor goats, Isaac? Greg? Say something!

Posted by: jesusland joe at September 06, 2006 06:48 PM (rUyw4)

50 Mwuahhaaaaaaaaaahhhhhaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Evil Rusty at September 06, 2006 06:49 PM (JQjhA)

51 There are two Gregs.  Bad Greg and good Greg.  New Greg is good.

Posted by: Evil Rusty at September 06, 2006 06:49 PM (JQjhA)

52 "No darth, your the true America-hater, because you belive that dissent is unpatriotic. "

No, isaac, he believes idiotic dissent is unpatriotic. The whole 9/11 conspiracy ball of shit is idiotic.

Posted by: Robert Crawford at September 06, 2006 06:50 PM (bH9q3)

53 Willain White: You're correct. I am a right wing nut job.

Isacc: Phd? The longer you go. The less you know.
I am an engineer. A Cal Berkley grad. I understand fully why the WTC buildings collapsed. In fact, I called it before it happened and contacted our local Coast Guard District. To no avail. Nothing could have been avoided without prior knowledge.
Darth Vag has already corrected your human being thing. Something tells me you're a lonely little shit. You and Greg should get together sometime. That is if you really believe in gay marriage.

Posted by: greyrooster at September 06, 2006 06:54 PM (5OGpF)

54 Isaac:
Thank you for telling me what I "belive dissent is unpatriotic."
Unfortunately, I dissented for 8 years during the Billary administration. My dissentment was most bigorous after Billary unloaded his payload into Monica's mouth while calling for NATO airstrikes on the phone in the Oval Office.
Gotta love you Democrats!
And thanks for trotting out Edward Murrow's ghost.
Hee hee.

Posted by: Darth Vag at September 06, 2006 06:56 PM (HSkSw)

55 Rooster is CAL grad???

That explains a lot.

Oh and that Tenn game.....

Bwhahahaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!

Posted by: Evil Rusty at September 06, 2006 06:57 PM (JQjhA)

56 Go Longhorns!
Hook-em!

Posted by: Darth Vag at September 06, 2006 07:00 PM (HSkSw)

57 Rusty: Knock off the banning crap. It gives the impression we can't handle the lefturds. Banning and deleting should be banned. I thought we could have some fun. Better to prove him wrong than let him tell others you couldn't handle the truth. And that is exactly what he is saying on other blogs this very minute.

Posted by: greyrooster at September 06, 2006 07:03 PM (5OGpF)

58 Darth Vag, that was good. I also dissented during the Clinton days, as did others, and they were shot or burned to death. If Bush was so bad, then Greg and Isaac would be scared to say anything. Dissent to them is getting on the computer and having a revolution of the limp wristed. What a couple of pansies!

Posted by: jesusland joe at September 06, 2006 07:03 PM (rUyw4)

59 The eyes of Texas are upon you,
All the live long day.
The eyes of Texas are upon you,
You cannot get away.
Do not think you can escape them,
At night, or early in the morn'.
The eyes of Texas are upon you,
'Till Gabriel blows his horn!

Texas 37 Ohio St. 17

Posted by: Greg at September 06, 2006 07:06 PM (PnoGS)

60 isaac - take your meds. Maybe it'll make greg look better to you. You two really would make a fine couple. But only if you're anti-semitic too.

Posted by: Oyster at September 06, 2006 07:06 PM (YudAC)

61 Greg, you shithead, you're not from Texas, but a hillbilly gay from West Virginia. Now begone. And never talk about Texas again.

Posted by: jesusland joe at September 06, 2006 07:08 PM (rUyw4)

62 Greg and Isaac: who is the man and who is the bottom?

Posted by: Darth Vag at September 06, 2006 07:09 PM (HSkSw)

63 How do we tell New Greg from Grrrayg?

Posted by: Darth Vag at September 06, 2006 07:13 PM (HSkSw)

64 I is from Texas.
Never been to W. Virginia.

Posted by: Greg at September 06, 2006 07:16 PM (PnoGS)

65 Liar.

Posted by: jesusland joe at September 06, 2006 07:17 PM (rUyw4)

66 But are you gay, Gayg?

Posted by: Darth Vag at September 06, 2006 07:17 PM (HSkSw)

67 No, sorry man, not that there's anything wrong with it.
I won't judge you.

Posted by: Greg at September 06, 2006 07:19 PM (PnoGS)

68 Gayg: "No, sorry man."

It wasn't an offer.

Posted by: Darth Vag at September 06, 2006 07:21 PM (HSkSw)

69 "I is from Texas".
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Hmmm....that is a racist remark, as Greg is now making fun of black Americans. Shame on you, Greg, and don't expect black people to support you homos, either.

Posted by: jesusland joe at September 06, 2006 07:24 PM (rUyw4)

70 Gayg actually does not pronounce his name as Greg.
He pronounces his name with a lisp, so it sounds like Gayg.

Posted by: Darth Vag at September 06, 2006 07:28 PM (HSkSw)

71 Executive order W199i in which bush ordered FBI agents off OBL's case before the attacks or face arrrest

To much to ask for proof?
Here is a list of EO's issued prior to 9/11 by President Bush, please show me which one of the EO's you're referencing (with a incorrect ID# no less)

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/2001-wbush.html

Posted by: davec at September 06, 2006 07:30 PM (QkWqQ)

72 I'll catch you Homer sectionals later.
I didn't see a thing, I swear.

Posted by: Greg at September 06, 2006 07:31 PM (PnoGS)

73 davec:
So are you saying Bush knew or that Bush orchestrated it or that Bush is OBL?
Put the crack pipe down.

Posted by: Darth Vag at September 06, 2006 07:33 PM (HSkSw)

74 Is homosexuality contagious? You are all talking like a bunch of fags. Except Rooster. I do have to say I am shocked, shocked I say, Cal Berkley would allow a racist to stain it's hallowed halls!
 
I sadly never graduated college. Much to my chagrin, it is obvious in my writing.

Posted by: SeeMonk at September 06, 2006 07:40 PM (n4VvM)

75 "You are all talking like a bunch of fags."
 
Fags: http://www.wclynx.com/burntofferings/fags_adtop.jpg

Posted by: Darth Vag at September 06, 2006 07:45 PM (HSkSw)

76 Darth Vag:
I missed the quotation marks, although I placed it in Italics. It was a quote from an earlier poster, and I wanted to see if they could locate the EO, they're claiming President Bush signed.

Posted by: davec at September 06, 2006 07:53 PM (QkWqQ)

77 Oh, sorry for my assumption.
As I have done before, I repeat the wisdom of Lennie and Squigly, which I often seem to forget:
"When you assume, you make an ass out of you and me."

Posted by: Darth Vag at September 06, 2006 07:55 PM (HSkSw)

78 Iran's President to address the UN. Bush is supposed to be there too. I am going to see what else I can uncover.
 
http://civildefenseblog.com/blog/2006/09/06/mahmooy-ahmadickyjab-to-address-the-un/

Posted by: SeeMonk at September 06, 2006 08:05 PM (n4VvM)

79 I'm so glad my donation to Bowman's campaign was not wasted.

It's nothing the secret government has not done before.

Peace.

Posted by: Human at September 06, 2006 10:13 PM (fpuPx)

80 I'm so glad my donation to Bowman's campaign was not wasted.

It's nothing the secret government has not done before.

Peace.

Posted by: Human at September 06, 2006 10:14 PM (fpuPx)

81 Allah is right. I've live down here (unfortunately in Robert "moonbat" Wexler's district, which he has a lock on) and anything much north of Palm Beach starts to turn republican.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 07, 2006 01:00 AM (WxRQS)

82 "Anything north of Palm Beach starts to turn republican"
Yea! Sure! Palm Beach is Democratic. What a bunch of shit that statement is. Cubans in Miami not republican? Being a democrat on 8th street can get you killed.

For all: The greyrooster went to school in NORTHERN California. Actually, I played football and learned very little else except how silly academia is. 80% of the faculity was either commie or so liberal they should have been. Anything below San Jose is not California. Looks like Mexico. Brown and dry. Even the people.

SeeMonk: They don't teach you to write in college. You and I should have learned in high schoool.
Could add Howie to that statement.

Posted by: greyrooster at September 07, 2006 03:57 AM (5OGpF)

83 Rooster, I've lived in FL all my life and you're right about many of the Cubans in Miami, but other than that, anything south of Daytona is ridiculously liberal - almost commie. The Keys is a bit of an exception too (spotty though). Cubans are not at all like California's Mexicans yet, people like to lump them together. Orlando and St. Pete/Tampa is the worst liberal/commie part of the state. Which really kills me because there are more whore houses and topless bars in Tampa than you can shake a stick at - one about every block - and Orlando is such a shifting transient area it's amazing they even have an identity at all.

When I first moved to Jacksonville from Hollywood I thought what a backward redneck town. After being here for 22 years, I've learned to accept the beauty and common sense of it. Now though, others have discovered it and it's getting too "big city-like". Californians and New Englanders are moving here in droves to escape taxes and rising costs of living and bringing their voting practices with them that got their own states in such a mess. They can't seem to make the connection on that. Sadly, we have also absorbed a number of Katrina escapees and crime/murder has shot up. Before long I'll be escaping to the panhandle for more rural surroundings.

Posted by: Oyster at September 07, 2006 05:11 AM (YudAC)

84 Oyster: I lived in Miami, Tampa and Jacksonville. I found Miami extremely republican. Particularly the Cuban population who understands what can happen to a country that goes too liberal.
I was the big guy in the front row of the topless bars in Tampa.
I lived on Atlantic Blvd in Jacksonville for a year while doing some design work for the Navy. I thought Miami was great. Tampa vibrant and Jacksonville boring. Too much Navy and too many South Georgia Crackers. Sorry.
St Johns river did have some good seasonal fishing.

Posted by: greyrooster at September 07, 2006 06:26 AM (5OGpF)

85 I grew up in Jacksonville during the 70's. Talk about a poor town in places. I was sheltered a bit though. I went to Catholic school. I used to live in Arlington. Yes lots of Navy and quite a few Marines as well. Seems they used to store nukes across the street from Cecil Field. A very good friend of the family was the officer in charge of the nukes and the MSG contingent responsible for security. At the height of summer that place cooks. Can't say I miss the heat and humidity.

Posted by: SeeMonk at September 07, 2006 07:24 AM (7teJ9)

86 Dick Cheney? Everyone knows that Carl Rove was the mastermind behind 9/11.

Posted by: Dumbocrat at September 07, 2006 08:51 AM (GvPqk)

87 Posted by: isaac at September 6, 2006 06:35 PM

You have no idea about the ideals this country was founded on.

He quotes a popular humorist and a twentieth century progressive journalist -- hardly the best citation for defending his "the ideals this country was founded on" sermon!

Isaac, do you really expect me to believe your conspiracy theory? "Half a dozen hijackers are seen alive" -- gee, with the 24/7/365 news cycle, I'd think 1 credible news agency around the World would have noticed that -- can you please cite one (aside from the usual DailyKos bulls**t)?

6pence

.
6pence

Posted by: 6pence at September 07, 2006 09:04 AM (CwVm0)

88 I am not much of a religous kind of person but if you even have a brain that uses critical thinking and reasoning, believing in this 911 conspiracy stuff is the same as dancing with the devil.

Posted by: DAT at September 07, 2006 11:01 AM (+K+cv)

89 Um...Bob Bowman was never the head of "the Star Wars missile defense program", or anything resembling it. Bob Bowman was director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Ford and Carter, so his resume says; good luck finding that organization mentioned by anyone other than LtCol Bowman. And in any case, strategic defense wasn't anywhere near its heyday until years after Bowman retired. According to Bowman, he was in charge of a half billion dollars' worth of hardware, which is roughly five percent of the R&D budget (at that time) for all military. I'm not sure if I buy it.

The only websites/articles where I can see that Bob Bowman had anything to do with anything at all are...wait for it...instances where Bowman himself supplied the information.

The main thing is that although one doesn't need a Ph.D or two to become a crackpot, having those advanced degrees isn't an effective innoculation against crackpottery.

And, if you believe the PBS timeline (or MDA's timeline), there wasn't much of anything happening under the Ford and Carter administrations; not that you'd need a timeline to tell you that, but it does serve to verify.

As for the 9/11 conspiracy-theory crapola: nice entertainment, but it makes for poor debate. It's more like playing whack-a-mole with the talking points. I sparred around with some poor sod over at Althouse on this for...well, for far too long. You can kill the thermate argument one day, and eighteen hours later it's thermate again. From the same guy.

Most of this crap can be boiled down to: just because there remain isolated unexplained details doesn't mean those details constitute refutation of the main theory. It's almost exactly like arguing with hardcore Creationists.

Posted by: Slartibartfast at September 07, 2006 01:37 PM (wEYaf)

90 Yeah, even that "half a dozen hijackers seen alive" line of bullshit has been repeatedly exposed for the utter crap that it is, and here it is again. Moles, everywhere!

Posted by: Slartibartfast at September 07, 2006 01:45 PM (wEYaf)

91 SeeMonk: I was doing work on the P-3 Orion anti-sub aircraft at Nas, Jax in 1975. Small world.

Posted by: greyrooster at September 07, 2006 01:57 PM (5OGpF)

92 Hang on a sec - I thought Dick Cheney was behind the whole thing. What's this then?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-09-07-qaeda-tape_x.htm?csp=34

Posted by: Blubba at September 07, 2006 02:59 PM (zLktO)

93 How many welders out there?

How hot does structural steal liquify?

How hot does kersosene burn?

There is a big difference.

Keep repeating the big lie over and over, and more people will believe it.

Posted by: n at September 08, 2006 11:14 PM (ihXmg)

94 Coming out of Lurk mode...

I work in and arround the construction of Commercial buildings and one of the biggest factors and concerns is the fireproofing of it all.. Reguarding the isolation and containment of the fire and smoke in rooms so it wont spread out to other rooms and eventually, the floor and beyond. Now say, for pretend, a 747 crashes through 3 or 4 floors and wipes out any hopes of containment throughout those areas as well as the burning jet fuel starting to burn through the carpet of the offices, whatever furnishings are there, all of the plastic laminates and any other thing in your average office. You will have a very hot fire. add to the fact you have a gapping hole in the side of the building that Oxygen will be able to help fuel the growing fire.
as well as lack of fire proofing on the rafters of the building can cause the floor to weaken and collapse. Take into account of all the dead and living weight that those floors have and as soon as the building started to collapse, the others floors would follow suit in a chain reaction.

It wouldn't take much to make the buildings fall down, only a jet flying into it.

all you leftards out there, if you haven't heard that popping sound yet today, then pull your head out of your ass.

Posted by: The Other Dave at September 10, 2006 11:09 AM (gG/PE)

95 The other Dave: I tried to explain the reason for the structural failure to these nutjobs for years now. They wouldn't listen. Doesn't suit their agenda.

Posted by: greyrooster at September 10, 2006 06:04 PM (zCLF8)

96 N: You stupid jerk. Steel doesn't have to liquidfy to bend and fail. Go to any office bldg. Raise a ceiling tile and observe the I beams. They have a material sprayed on them that looks like paper mache. WHY? its a celulose water based product that has one purpose. TO INSULATE THE STEEL I BEAMS SO THEY WILL NOT BEND DUE TO HEAT. You don't liquidfy steel to bend it. You heat it. Furthermore when heated steel expands. This expansion can break welds and pop rivets. Do your homework before bring such crap to others. Friggin Idiot.

Posted by: greyrooster at September 10, 2006 06:13 PM (zCLF8)

97 Bob Bowman is an American. He cares for the future of this country. I'm not a Democrat and don't want to be one. In fact, if there were still real republicans left in this country I would most likely be labeled as such. But instead of the conservatively fiscal, smaller government ideals of republicans the way they should be, the right has resorted to a bunch of cowardly, sniveling snobs that find it amusing to play an elementry version of 'he said she said' then to actually consider facts and way the evidence of a country being washed up by criminals run amok.

Give this man a chance.

Posted by: notcontrolled at September 11, 2006 01:35 PM (hO8YF)

98 Greygoose..

I know.. most of the time when I read what they say my mouth hangs in disbelief and am at a loss for words as to what to comment to them..

how can any functional human being believe that the towers where rigged? and saying that it was the 'J-O-O-S' fault for it too..

I'm working to pay for their unemployment, aren't I..

Posted by: The Other Dave at September 11, 2006 05:42 PM (vnkte)

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Steven Stalinsky notes what the Arab press and various Islamsits are saying about the future of the U.S. and of Europe. Not to be alarmist, but according to them we are doomed, DOOMED, DOOMED!

While the prospect of the U.S. breaking apart is laughable, the notion of a completely dhimmified Europe in 50 years and a new European caliphate in 100 is not so funny. One estimate cited in the article suggest that in 50 years up to 30% of Europeans will be Muslim.

The problem is not terrorism, it never has been. Terrorism is a method by which some Islamists wish to come to power. Very few people openly support terrorism. The real problem is the goal of the terrorists which is shared by their Salafi and Khomeinist allies--the institution of sharia law.

The Sun:

The Arab press has been full of articles on the end of Sheik Omar bin Bakri, a Beirut-based, Syrian-born British Islamist and former leader of Al-Muhajirun, an organization in Britain, gave an interview to the London daily Al-Sharq Al-Awsat on July 7. "What is today called ‘Londonistan' is in fact ‘Heretistan,' that is, dar al-kufr [the abode of heresy]," he said. "I think that loyal Muslims in Britain will one day turn it, with Allah's help, into ‘Islamistan,' that is, dar al-islam [the abode of Islam]. … Then the great Islamic dream will be fulfilled — that we will see the banner [proclaiming] ‘There is no God but Allah' flying over Big Ben and the British Parliament."America. Walid Nouhad wrote in the Bahrain daily Al-Wasat on June 20 on the coming "breakup of the United States … in the same fashion as those empires that came before it." America's "destiny" is to be "just like the Soviet Union" when "it falls apart," Saud Mokhtar wrote in the Saudi daily Al-Madinah on July 10.

"Our aim is to put down roots in the European continent, and to act quietly and in accordance with the laws, so that one day we may see all of Europe Muslim!" the Turkish fundamentalist leader Nijmuddin Erbakan, a former Turkish prime minister who headed the Islamic Welfare Party, said, according to an April piece on the Arabic reformist Web site Elaph.com by a Germany-based Kurdish journalist, Tarek Hamo.

Previous statements like "Islam will return to Europe as a conqueror" and take over Rome — by one of the most influential clerics in Sunni Islam, Sheik Yousef Al-Qaradhawi — are well-known.

In another headline-making instance, Sheik Ibrahim Mudeiris said on Palestinian Authority TV on May 13, 2005: "The day will come when we will rule America. The day will come when we will rule Britain and the entire world."....

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The BBBC celebrates 9/11 the only way they know how, by pointing out that searching for terrorists is akin to a "witch hunt".

"Witch hunt"???

I do not think those words mean what the Beebs thinks they mean.

Last time I checked, there were no such things as "witches". Which is why pursuing witches--the very definition of a "witch hunt"--was so stupid and fruitless.

There were no such thing as witches celebrating the dark mass in the woods in the light of the full moon. That is an imagined reality constructed out of ignorance.

But to deny that there are terrorists, or that terrorists are almost always Muslim, is reality denied out of willed ignorance.

CDR Salamander has the story and vid to back up the claim.

Update by Howie: A reader emails that the entire video is available here. Also here at Hot Air.

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