1 If he runs, I'll vote for him. If not, I'm still thinking about it ....   
                          USA, all the way!

2 Been in some good flicks too.

3 His only blight is accidental.  Alec Balwin didn't SEEM like a moobat in Hunt For Red October, so being given benefit of the doubt by Fred, isn't really damning.                 USA, all the way!

1 There is a difference between optimism and naivety.  Optimism is fine, so long as it realistic.  The worst problem is the pessimism and cynicism of the Dems and 'Progressives'.  Every movement is driven by (1) a vision for the future, and (2) a grievance about today.  Boy Scouts, Al Qaida, Republicans all have this.  'Progressives-Socialists' have no vision, because Communism failed, spectacularly, and the 'workers paradise' has never worked.  Dems and 'Progressive-Socialists' have no workable vision, only dark and gloomy grievances.

1 Right on, Fred. Tell it like it is. Politicians who make this much sense are a rare breed these days.

2 Thompson is right, except for one thing. In my experience most Saudi's do support that kind of extremism. Where do you suppose al-Qaeda mother-lovers get their funding?!?!

3 The  MSM will not report derogatory or damaging news on any Islamic activity.  Because they are afraid to.  If they were to print the truth on Saudi Arabia, Palestine, Iran, or Pakastan, not to mention Iraq and Afganastan, they would be kicked out of the country; probably shot in he case of Iraq and Afganastan.  They won't report the truth because many of their on the street reporters are indigeous and are paid off not to report the truth.  What do you expct? Honest Reporting?

4 FEMINISTS, I'm sure you've noticed, do not criticize Islamists, no matter what despicable thing they do.  I have puzzled over this at lot, and can find only one logical explanation.  We know that most Feminists are Socialists, feminist writings commonly refer to this.  I asked, on a 'Progressivist-Socialist' web site recently, "What is worse, Bush or Islamists?"  Immediate response: Bush.  Feminists, as Socialists, have common cause with Islamists in opposing Bush, and they are not about to criticize their allies.

5 Feminist silence (and Bush Derangement Syndrome) on these issues is astounding.  So-called "honor" killings, "honor" rape, female genital mutilation, disfigurement, beatings...apparently, none of it is as horrible as the POTUS to these benighted folk.

6 FEMINISTS are not deranged.  They are just Socialists, doing what Socialists do.

7

It could be construed that Saudi Arabia is the root of all evil. It is afterall, where that long-dead sex-criminal murderer whose name I've momentarily forgotten dreamed up the lasting parts of his weird death cult.

The Feminism-Islam alliance is a more ironically crystallised version of the Left-Islam alliance and it'll never cease to amaze me. It's like a snake-mongoose alliance, whereby the snake does everything in its power to surround itself with mongeese.
 
 

8 Infidelsalwayswin,
 
mongeese?????    No...You didnt just say mongeese...........
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=16834

9 Mongooses, even. Pardon my stupidity.

10 Seems like everyone is worried about the plight of females except the feminists.

11 The height of feminism is Jane Fonda......that answers all questions as to why they do nothing....

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1 What Michael Moore doesn't bring up is that all the good doctors moved to Miami in the late fifties and early 1960s. The voodoo practisoners stayed. Just because it's free doesn't mean it's good. Other way around most of the time. You get what you pay for. Except for allahdickchew. Pay all you want. You'll still get nasty shit.

2 THIS IS THE FAMOUS 'GREAT AND FREE HEALTHCARE' THAT REGULAR CUBANS RECEIVE

3 As a Canadian, I can travel to Cuba, and did, and I made a point of examining their health care system (without getting arrested).  Michael Moore is addicted to truth abuse and fact pollution, and he is uttering egregious falsehoods.  The Cuban people are extremely poor ($20/mo).  I visited a hospital close to the University of Havana.  In Canada or the US, it would be closed  that day.  I have seen cleaner stables, by far.  Health care staff are desperately trying to help people, with almost no medication whatsoever.  Everything is in short supply, including soap and light bulbs.  People commonly beg for aspirin on the street, and if you go to Cuba, take a bunch of aspirin, it will be very warmly received.

4 Wanna go to old Cuba. Try South Beach.

5 This is weird your fatwa worthy links were all different when I logged on earlier than they show now. Are you guys changing the jawa site?

6 so #2 googhle m what terrorist group/supporter are you from?

7 Judging by his link, #2 is from the 1001st Dumbass Brigades.  Aren't they all though?

8 Where's the 1002nd Dumbass Brigades?  Oh, he's a couple threads down.

9 Thanks Ragnar      I hate Moore so much! It is always good to see someone expose his deceit, and treachery!       USA, all the way!

10 Fred Thompson always makes a whole heck of a lot of sense.

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1

Free Speech under Attack

By George M Weinert V

Tuesday, May 01, 2007 http://www.michaelsavage2008.blogspot.com/

 

The Liberal-Queer-Islamofascist cabal has finally shown its true Stalinist nature!

 

 

 

Issue Date: www.insightmag.com - May 1-7, 2007, Posted On: 5/1/2007

 

Kuhner: Liberal totalitarianism

Commentary by Jeffrey T. Kuhner 

 

Liberal Democrats are attempting to muzzle conservative talk radio: they are assaulting free speech. Like the communists in the former Soviet Union, America’s liberals seek to crush dissent by consolidating control over the media—especially talk radio, which has emerged as the dominant medium for conservative opinion.

 

 

 

Allies close to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi are promoting legislation, which if passed, will take off the air prominent conservative radio hosts such as Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly—along with thousands of smaller conservative broadcasters. The bill, entitled the "Media Ownership Reform Act," is sponsored by Rep. Maurice Hinchey, a leftist Democrat from New York. The legislation aims to revive the so-called “Fairness Doctrine” of the 1940’s: “all views” are to be given equal time on radio. In particular, the Federal Communications Commission would have the power to oversee and change radio and television content. The goal is to tilt the ideological balance of power away from the right on the nation’s air waves.

 

 

 

The real force behind the effort to censor conservative talk radio is the progressive–philanthropist, George Soros. The radical leftist billionaire has made no secret of his hatred for conservatives. He says President Bush has transformed America into a militaristic, “fascist” empire. Moreover, Soros champions many of liberalism’s chic causes: abortion on demand, legalization of drugs, homosexual marriage, euthanasia, unlimited Third World immigration, open borders, and one-world government anchored in the United Nations. He advocates all the issues that are anathema to popular radio talk-show hosts like Savage, Limbaugh and Hannity. Hence, he wants these commentators to be exiled to the political wilderness. 

 

 

 

At a recent National Conference for Media Reform, sponsored by Free Press, a Massachusetts-based group heavily subsidized by Soros, Hinchey laid bare his plan to silence conservative voices on television and radio. The anti-war McGovernite attacked Savage, Limbaugh and other conservative radio hosts, saying they were “responsible” for leading the U.S. into the Iraq war, as well as for preparing the ground for future military invasions of Iran and Syria. According to Hinchey, these men pose a “threat” to American national security. Hence, under his bill, they would be fired.

 

 

 

"All of that stuff will end," Hinchey said.

 

 

 

In the Senate, the legislation is being supported by Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont. A self-styled “social democrat,” Sanders is forming a media caucus with the explicit goal of ending conservative hegemony on talk radio.

 

 

 

"Now is the time to begin asking that if networks provide their listeners with 99 percent of talk shows being with right-wing extremists, whether that really is what public trust is about," Sanders said in an address in January. "Now is the time to open the question of the Fairness Doctrine again."

 

 

 

However, this begs the question of why do radio networks have most of their shows hosted by conservatives? The answer is a simple one: They’re popular with listeners. Talk radio is overwhelmingly right-leaning because it satisfies the public’s growing appetite for alternative news and commentary to the liberal media establishment. If the Democrats don’t like the opinions of Savage, Limbaugh or Hannity, then all they need to do is go to CNN, MSNBC, NPR, The New York Times or The Washington Post. There are countless outlets peddling the anti-war, anti-Bush mantras of the left.

 

 

 

The liberal media and political class have tried to marginalize conservative talk radio for years—first by ignoring it, then by demonizing it, and finally by attempting to compete with it. Air America, with hosts such as Al Franken, was supposed to be the great liberal alternative to conservative talk radio. But, in spite of all the puff stories in The Times, The Post and CNN, Air America failed dismally to attract a large audience. When Hinchey, Sanders, Soros and their liberal Democratic allies complain about the need to “give equal time” to left-leaning views on radio, they forget one important fact: The radio audience is not interested. Now, after the failure of Air America, the Democrats are attempting to implement the final solution to their conservative problem: censorship.

 

 

 

Eastern European conservatives have faced similar oppression for the last 15 years. From Georgia to Croatia, Serbia to Slovakia, Soros’ media empire has relentlessly sought to marginalize patriotic and conservative journalists. In many countries in the former communist bloc, there are hardly any conservative voices left in the mainstream media. In fact, the billionaire activist openly brags that the former Soviet empire has become “the Soros empire.” He is now bent on destroying his ideological enemies in the belly of the beast—America.

 

 

 

What Soros understands—like all ambitious leftists before him, such as Lenin, Trotsky, FDR—is that attaining cultural power is the necessary precondition to achieving political power. The brilliant Italian Leninist revolutionary, Antonio Gramsci, outlined this strategy in his theory of cultural hegemony. Gramsci argued that once the left captures the commanding organs of culture and the media, the “state will simply fall into our hands.” He understood that, by dominating culture and stifling all voices of opposition, the left would be free to manipulate and mold public opinion, thereby paving the way to permanent political dominance. This is why Soros and his Democratic allies are determined to smash talk radio, the main bastion of cultural/media resistance to the liberal regime.

 

 

 

The attempt to revive the “Fairness Doctrine” represents a direct assault on freedom of speech. It is a concession by liberals that they are losing the battle in the marketplace of ideas. Unable to compete with conservatives in the arena of rhetoric, facts and reasoned argument, Democrats are resorting to the Stalinist method of stifling all dissenting points of view. Unable to out-argue and out-debate Savage, Limbaugh and Hannity, liberals are hoping to silence them—once and for all.

 

 

 

More importantly, the war on talk radio reveals the totalitarian impulse at the heart of modern liberalism. Above all, liberalism is an ideology based on radical social engineering. Its ultimate goal is to transform America into a society characterized by economic collectivism, personal—and especially, sexual—liberation and multilateral globalism. To accomplish these goals, the left must fundamentally restructure the economy, the family unit, traditional bourgeois values, and even the nation itself.

 

 

 

This is why liberals ultimately rely on coercion to pass much of their agenda. They must raise taxes and propose new entitlement programs (like universal health care) to keep expanding the power of the state; they must push for homosexual marriage and abortion to keep undermining the nuclear family; they must expunge religion and the Ten Commandments from the public square to keep rolling back traditional morality; and they must insist on amnesty for illegal immigrants and subordinating foreign policy to the United Nations to keep subverting America’s national sovereignty and distinct cultural identity. Their favorite tools of coercion are usually judicial activism and bureaucratic decrees. Now, however, riding high after the November midterm elections, they are going for the jugular—the outright silencing of their ideological opponents.

 

 

 

Conservatives must form a united front to prevent this blatant power grab by the Soros Democrats. If not, the return of the “Fairness Doctrine” will not only be a great victory for the forces of censorship, but a watershed moment in the continuing march of liberalism against everything that is good, decent and virtuous in America.

 

 

 

- Jeffrey T. Kuhner is the editor of Insight (www.insightmag.com).

 

http://www.insightmag.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=5D3B38F8A2584DB5A77BA05660C6045C&nm=Free+Access&type=Publishing&mod=Publications%3A%3AArticle&mid=8F3A7027421841978F18BE895F87F791&tier=4&id=346CF94D8F6C442FB25AC38AD486013C

 

This confirms what we’ve been saying for years – the Enemy-Liberal-Queer traitors within wish to take our precious freedoms and replace them with Nazi-like National Socialism – in the name of “Diversity”.  All legal defenses must be summoned to defeat this Liberal Fascism but we must be prepared for the great Civil War that may come – True American Patriots may be forced to fight for our rights.

 

 

WILL YOU FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS?

 

CLEAN AND LOAD YOUR GUNS BOYS!!! [1]

 

 

WE MUST FIGHT SIR, I SAY WE MUST FIGHT! – Thom Paine, 1775

Praise the Lord and God Bless America.

[1]Don’t do anything crazy boys, but make sure your stock of high velocity hollow point ammunition is well supplied – the war will not be this year, and may take a decade but it’s coming and we’ll have to battle these libeal-queer-islamofascists bastards or become their slaves

2 Neat-o, now that I live where the sun don't shine (all the windows facing north) the temperature stays down all spring, skies are clouded and it snows in May. What an easy way to reverse global warming.

3 I knew John Conyers would eventually beat out Mr. Roarke for control of Fantasy Island. It was only a matter of time. I wonder what he did with Tattoo?

4 "...eliminating racially motivated violence is an important means of
eliminating, to the extent possible, the badges, incidents, and relics
of slavery and involuntary servitude."

There's a legal reason for this language.  As SCOTUS moves closer to a federalist position, SCOTUS will start striking down all sorts of laws which are assertions of federal power beyond that authorized by the Constitution. The 13th Amendment is one source of federal authority over states, and the 13th refers to these badges and incidents.

Conyers is attempting to define "badges and incidents" as broadly as possible, in order to justify a federal hate crimes law (google the 'Violence Against Women Act' for an analogous background. It was unconstitutional).  Without this hook of the 13th, the law is unconstitutional.  Of course, the law is unconstitutional anyway, but this is Conyers' effort to at least get some trial judge to uphold it.

5 Bush will veto.                                   USA, all the way!

6 Did somebody declare the Emancipation Proclamation unconstitutional?
Are American blacks being shanghaied into slavery? Why aren't the MSM
hacks reporting this, and what else are they concealing from us?

If passed, this simply would be used as evidence that the Conyers reparations bill is sorely needed and justified.

7 Put him in the WAYBAC MACHINE set it for 1876 and transport him to CUSTER LAST STAND you know LITTLE BIG HORN and let him try a arrow shirt

8 "Did somebody declare the Emancipation Proclamation unconstitutional?"

Actually, yes! The same Supreme Court that ruled that Dread Scott was not a "Person" held that Abe's proclamation was illegal.

That was the reason that the 13'th and 14't amendments were written.

1 All they have to worry about is the

The Gaytion of Islam (Queer Jihad, Chapter V)

 

By George M Weinert V

 

Wednesday, May 02, 2007 http://www.queerjihad.blogspot.com/

 

As long as this book is going to generate controversy, heated debate and death threats we might as well add fuel to the fire and make an audacious claim: most Black Muslims in the USA are Queer

We’ll present the irrefutable evidence for this syllogism shortly but we first review the history of the Nation of Islam in America detailed in Black Muslims: A Fifth Column Inside the United States? By the Traditional Values Coalition March 26, 2003. [1]

 

Nation of Islam

7351 South Stoney Island Ave.

Chicago, IL

60649

Phone :773-324-6000

URL http://www.noi.org/

 

Afrocentric organization founded in 1930 by Wallace Dodd

Fard Early leader Elijah Muhammad taught that the white race was

created 6,000 years ago by a renegade black scientist named

Yakub In the 1950s, Malcolm X brought the organization to

Prominence In the mid-1960s, Louis Farrakhan assumed control of the

Organization Farrakhan has spoken out against "white devils" and Jewish

"bloodsuckers"

 

The Nation of Islam (NOI) was founded in Detroit in 1930 by

Wallace Dodd Fard, an itinerant salesman. Various identities

have been discovered for Fard: the FBI traced him to Portland

under the name Wallie D. Ford; Malcolm X and Elijah Muhammad

referred to him as Wallace D. Fard, of Mecca. His common-law

wife claimed his real name was Fred or Wallace Dodd of New

Zealand; different Muslim writers have given an Arab version

of his name, Wali Farad; and one theory claims that he was a

renegade rabbi from New York named Arnold Josiah Ford.

 

Fard's movement, building on the honorably conceived if

woefully executed Afrocentricism of Marcus Garvey and the

visionary lunacy of Timothy Drew's Moorish Temple of Science,

was based on traditional Islamic teachings augmented by, and

interlaced with, obscure mathematical, Gnostic, and heretical

accretions, including an identification of all blacks as

first, Asiatic, and second, God.  This message resonated among

American blacks who had migrated north, seeking to escape

racial oppression and rural poverty; the Depression had

eradicated the nascent prosperity that the industrial jobs of

northern cities had initially afforded.

 

One of Fard's earliest converts was Elijah Poole, a

grade-school dropout and alcoholic Georgian who had moved to

Detroit in 1923. By 1931, Poole had become known as Elijah

Muhammad, and upon Fard's disappearance in 1934, he became

head of the NOI. Various theories have been set forth about

Fard's disappearance. He had left Michigan in 1933 and settled

in Chicago. According to some, he died after being beaten

while in the custody of Chicago police, but later newspaper

accounts report that he returned to New Zealand after first

visiting an ex-wife in Portland.

 

Elijah Muhammad moved to Washington, D.C. in 1935 and promptly

began proselytizing for the NOI in different cities throughout

the U.S.  He claimed that Fard was actually Allah, the

reincarnation of Jesus, the prophet the world had been

awaiting for the last 2,000 years, and the Son of Man.

Muhammad was arrested in 1942 for refusing to register for the

military draft; he urged all Muslims to resist fighting

against the Fascist threat, and openly favored the Japanese as

Asiatic heroes resisting white oppression.

 

In 1965, Muhammad published a 300-page book titled Message to

the Blackman in America, in which he explained that Allah had

originally created the black race before all others, followed

sequentially by the brown, red, and yellow races. The white

race, said Muhammad, was created some 6,000 years ago, not by

Allah but by a renegade black scientist named Yakub. According

to Muhammad, the process by which Yakub created whites

involved extracting the "brown germ" from the "black germ" and

in turn, grafting whites. In Muhammad's view, "the whole

Caucasian race is a race of devils . . . the evil and

murderous race."

 

Muhammad retained effective control over the NOI for 44 years,

but by far the most visible spokesman of the movement was

Malcolm X. Convicted of robbery in 1946, he converted to the

NOI in 1947 and, upon his parole in 1952, began working for

Muhammad as an organizer.  Malcolm was responsible for a

considerable increase in NOI membership. In 1964 Malcolm made

a hajj to Mecca, which led him to reject his formerly held

notion that all whites were evil. He embraced a species of

revolutionary Marxism which was not overtly racist, and this

attitude shift put him at odds with Muhammad. Also in 1964,

Malcolm publicly revealed that Muhammad had impregnated

several of his teenage secretaries, in blatant violation of

Muhammad's own admonitions against sex outside of marriage

(two of Muhammad's secretaries filed paternity suits against

him).

 

When Malcolm made these revelations, an anathema was

pronounced on him and he was suspended from his post as the

leader of the Harlem mosque. He was replaced by Louis

Farrakhan, who was outraged at what he perceived as Malcolm's

traitorous disloyalty. Ten weeks before Malcolm was

assassinated, Farrakhan denounced him in the NOI newspaper

Muhammad Speaks. "Only those who wish to be led to hell, or to

their doom, will follow Malcolm," Farrakhan wrote. "The die is

set, and Malcolm shall not escape, especially after such evil,

foolish talk about his benefactor; such a man is worthy of

death." On February 21, 1965, Malcolm X was killed in Harlem's

Audubon Ballroom by three gunmen with ties to the NOI.

 

As recently as 1993, Farrakhan tried to justify Malcolm X's

assassination when he said in a speech, "Was Malcolm your

traitor or ours? And if we dealt with [Malcolm] like a nation

deals with a traitor, what the hell business is it of yours? A

nation has to be able to deal with traitors and cut-throats

and turncoats." In May 1995, however, Farrakhan spoke for the

first time in repentant tones about the slaying, and he

admitted to having "helped create the atmosphere" that led to

it. "I may have been complicit in words that I spoke leading

up to 21 February," he said. "I acknowledge that and regret

that any word that I have said caused the loss of life of a

human being." Immediately thereafter, however, he named the

U.S.government as the real villain that had fomented zeal and

bitterness inside the NOI's ranks.

 

Malcolm X was by no means the only person toward whom

Farrakhan has openly aimed menacing words. In 1984, for

example, Farrakhan publicly threatened Milton Coleman, a black

Washington Post reporter, with death. He portrayed Coleman as

a traitor for having revealed that Jesse Jackson, in a

conversation with campaign aides, had referred to Jews as

"Hymies" and to New York City as "Hymietown." "One day soon we

will punish you with death," Farrakhan said to Coleman.

 

Upon Elijah Muhammad's death in 1975, his son Wallace Deen

Muhammad took over the movement and attempted to integrate it

with mainstream Islam.  This attempt eventually led to a

schism within the NOI; at present three organizations, one in

Baltimore, one in Atlanta, and one in Detroit, claim to be the

authentic NOI, but by far the most recognized group is that

headed by Farrakhan, headquartered at the Mosque Maryam in

Chicago.  Farrakhan initially rejected the integrationism

favored by Wallace Deen Muhammad and his successors, although

unlike Elijah Muhammad, Farrakhan has not called for the

creation of a separate black state, and in 2000 he did meet

with Wallace Deen Muhammad about a possible rapprochement of

the NOI with mainstream Islam.

 

Farrakhan has a long, well documented history of venom-laced

references to the "white devils" and Jewish "bloodsuckers" who

purportedly decimate America's black community from coast to

coast. He has referred to Judaism as a "gutter religion," and

to Adolf Hitler as "a great man" - though he later claimed

that he had meant only that Hitler was "wickedly great."

At a November 2003 speech in Chicago, Farrakhan said, "This

Koran says that the Jews have altered the word of God out of

its place. They did not want the masters of the people to know

what Jesus really said, what Moses really said, because then

you wouldn't have a yardstick [by which] to measure their

deviations." A month earlier, he told Jews, "I don't like the

way you leech on us. See, a leech is somebody that sucks your

blood, takes from you and don't (sic) give you a damn thing."

 

Notwithstanding Farrakhan's ugly rhetoric, in the early 1990s

the NAACP, under the leadership of then-executive director

Benjamin Chavis, entered into a "sacred covenant" with the

Nation of Islam; Chavis, who would later join the NOI and

change his surname to Muhammad, pledged never to "forsake Mr.

Farrakhan as my brother." In September 1993, spokesmen for the

Congressional Black Caucus likewise announced, in front of a

large audience, that they too had joined in a "sacred

covenant" with Farrakhan and the NOI.

 

Farrakhan despises the United States and has consistently

condemned virtually its every foreign and domestic policy. He

opposes U.S. aid to Israel; opposes the war in Iraq; opposes

the Patriot Act; has been critical of President Bush's overall

response to 9/11; is critical of plans to employ NATO forces

as peacekeepers in Iraq; and in one 2004 press release, urged

young men to resist any proposed military draft.  He insists,

however, that his anti-white, anti-American positions are

overstated by a hostile, Jewish-dominated press.

 

As we can find the roots of the Queer Jihad in Islamic Scriptures, we can gain an insight into the Black Muslims from their foundational documents that provide details of The (Black) Muslim Program

 

What The (Black) Muslims Want

 

This is the question asked most frequently by both the whites and the

blacks. The answers to this question I shall state as simply as possible.

1. We want freedom. We want a full and complete freedom.

2. We want justice. Equal justice under the law. We want justice under

the law. We want justice applied equally to all, regardless of creed or

class or color.

3. We want equality of opportunity. We want equal membership in society

with the best in civilized society.

4. We want our people in America whose parents or grandparents were

descendants from slaves, to be allowed to establish a separate state or

territory of their own--either on this continent or elsewhere. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to provide such land and that the area must be fertile and minerally rich. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to maintain and supply our needs in this separate territory for the next 20 to 25 years--until we are able to produce and supply our own needs. Since we cannot get along with them in peace and equality, after giving them 400 years of our sweat and blood and receiving in return some of the worst treatment human beings have ever experienced, we believe our contributions to this land and the suffering forced upon us by white America, justifies our demand for complete separation in a state or territory of our own

5. We want freedom for all Believers of Islam now held in federal prisons.

We want freedom for all black men and women now under death sentence in

innumerable prisons in the North as well as the South.

We want every black man and woman to have the freedom to accept or reject being separated from the slave master's children and establish a land of their own. We know that the above plan for the solution of the black and white conflict is the best and only answer to the problem between two people.

6. We want an immediate end to the police brutality and mob attacks

against the so-called Negro throughout the United States.

We believe that the Federal government should intercede to see that black men and women tried in white courts receive justice in accordance with the laws of the land--or allow us to build a new nation for ourselves, dedicated to justice, freedom and liberty.

7. As long as we are not allowed to establish a state or territory of our own, we demand not only equal justice under the laws of the United States, but equal employment opportunities- NOW!

We do not believe that after 400 years of free or nearly free labor, sweat and blood, which has helped America become rich and powerful, so many thousands of black people should have to subsist on relief or charity or live in poor houses.

8. We want the government of the United States to exempt our people from ALL taxation as long as we are deprived of equal justice under the laws of the land.

9. We want equal education--but separate schools up to 16 for boys and 18 for girls on the condition that the girls be sent to women's colleges and universities. We want all black children educated, taught and trained by their own teachers. Under such schooling system we believe we will make a better nation of people. The United States government should provide, free, all necessary text books and equipment, schools and college buildings. The Muslim teachers shall be left free to teach and train their people in the way of righteousness, decency and self respect.

10. We believe that intermarriage or race mixing should be prohibited. We want the religion of Islam taught without hinderance or suppression.

These are some of the things that we, the Muslims, want for our people in North America.

 

What The (Black) Muslims Believe

 

1. WE BELIEVE In the One God whose proper Name is Allah.

2. WE BELIEVE in the Holy Koran and in the Scriptures of all the Prophets of God.

3. WE BELIEVE in the truth of the Bible, but we believe that it has been tampered with and must be reinterpreted so that mankind will not be snared by the falsehoods that have been added to it.

4. WE BELIEVE in Allah's Prophets and the Scriptures they brought to the people.

5. WE BELIEVE in the the resurrection of the dead--not in physical

resurrection--but in mental resurrection. We believe that the so-called

Negroes are most in need of mental resurrection; therefore they will be

resurrected first. Furthermore, we believe we are the people of God's choice, as it has been written, that God would choose the rejected and the despised. We can find no other persons fitting this description in these last days more that the so-called Negroes in America. We believe in the resurrection of the righteous.

6. WE BELIEVE in the judgment; we believe this first judgment will take

place as God revealed, in America...

7. WE BELIEVE this is the time in history for the separation of the

so-called Negroes and the so-called white Americans. We believe the black man should be freed in name as well as in fact. By this we mean that he should be freed from the names imposed upon him by his former slave masters. Names which identified him as being the slave master's slave. We believe that if we are free indeed, we should go in our own people's names--the black people of the Earth.

8. WE BELIEVE in justice for all, whether in God or not; we believe as

others, that we are due equal justice as human beings. We believe in

equality--as a nation--of equals. We do not believe that we are equal with our slave masters in the status of "freed slaves."

We recognize and respect American citizens as independent peoples and we respect their laws which govern this nation.

9. WE BELIEVE that the offer of integration is hypocritical and is made by those who are trying to deceive the black peoples into believing that their 400-year-old open enemies of freedom, justice and equality are, all of a sudden, their "friends." Furthermore, we believe that such deception is intended to prevent black people from realizing that the time in history has arrived for the separation from the whites of this nation. If the white people are truthful about their professed friendship toward the so-called Negro, they can prove it by dividing up America with their slaves. We do not believe that America will ever be able to furnish enough jobs for her own millions of unemployed, in addition to jobs for the 20,000,000 black people as well.

10. WE BELIEVE that we who declare ourselves to be righteous Muslims,

should not participate in wars which take the lives of humans. We do not believe this nation should force us to take part in such wars, for we have nothing to gain from it unless America agrees to give us the necessary territory wherein we may have something to fight for.

11. WE BELIEVE our women should be respected and protected as the women of other nationalities are respected and protected.

12. WE BELIEVE that Allah (God) appeared in the Person of Master W. Fard Muhammad, July, 1930; the long-awaited "Messiah" of the Christians and the "Mahdi" of the Muslims.

 

We believe further and lastly that Allah is God and besides HIM there is no god and He will bring about a universal government of peace wherein we all can live in peace together. [2]

 

Note something carefully In the above:

 

* WE WANT!

* WE WANT!!

* WE WANT!!!

 

Did you see anything that says, "WE WANT TO GO TO WORK!"? -  No and you won't. According to the BLACK MUSLIMS -

 

* THE WHITE MAN IS A DEVIL

* THE WHITE MAN WAS INVENTED BY THE EVIL SCIENTIST YAKOV IN 4,700 BC

* THE WHITE MAN HAS EXPLOITED AND ENSLAVED THE NEGROES FOR ALL OF HISTORY

* THE WHITE MAN FOLLOWS THE DEVIL'S RELIGION - CHRISTIANITY

* THE WHITE MAN OWES THEM A LIVING AND A COUNTRY TOO

 

In response the BLACK MUSLIMS believe:

 

* THE BLACK MAN IS GOD

* THE BLACK MAN OWNS THE EARTH AND ALL IN IT

* THE BLACK MAN SHALL DEFEAT THE EVIL WHITE MAN AND MAKE HIM HIS SLAVE

* THE BLACK MAN IS GOD'S CHOSEN ONE AND THEREFORE DESERVES ALL

* Farrakhan and their founder both have been taken up in a flying saucer by Aliens to See God who confirmed their coming victory over the EVIL WHITE MAN

 

The Nation of Islam is primarily a group of illiterate ex-cons, over-the-hill gang members and retired crack hos. THE BLACK MUSLIMS RECRUIT PRIMARILY IN US PRISONS and most of their membership has a criminal background - Chicagoans know well how dangerous they can be.

 

Unfortunately, any chance to 'get whitey' is attractive to career criminals with a chip on their shoulder, and the alliances forged with BIG CITY STREET GANGS are well known to law enforcement.

 

This is from Yahoo! Groups : MasterFardMuhammadMuslims Messages : Message 513 of 534

 

From: "MGT" <nationnoi@...>

Date: Mon Jul 25, 2005  11:39 pm

Subject: MEM: “AMERICA PERSECUTES THE MUSLIMS“ nationnoi

 

IN THE NAME OF ALLAH • MASTER FARD MUHAMMAD •

THE GREAT MAHDI!

 

As-Salaam Alaikum ~

==============================================

The following is from the writings of Messenger

Elijah Muhammad (PBUH) in various Black Newspapers

throughout the country under during the 1950s and 60s

appearing under the heading: "MR. MUHAMMAD SPEAKS."

This article is entitled: "AMERICA PERSECUTES THE

MUSLIMS, WHAT WILL BE HER END?

===============================================

"And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long O Lord, Holy and

True, doest thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell

On the earth?"

 

The above verse is a prophecy of the Lost and Found People of The

Black Nation of Islam called: "Negroes" by their enemies (the

American white devils) who have persecuted and killed Black People

for the past 400 years.

 

Some think this verse might refer to some of The Muslims who came

her some years go and were persecuted by these same devils and are

now in jails her in the U.S.A.

 

Some of the have been held here in prison for 40 years [so Allah

(God) told me]. They also were persecuted for trying to teach

our people here in America The True Religion called: ISLAM. It

can be understood clearly in these words: "How long O Lord, Holy

and True, dost Thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that

dwell on the earth?" But, why the "Earth" is really used here

(in this vrs) is to distinguish between the place where this enemy

dwells and the place or country of The Muslims, called; "THE HOLY

LAND!"

 

Europe and America used to be called, "the WILDERNESS or home of THE

EXILED DEMONS."* (Witness the favorite of the devil's wicked-holiday

trinity: "HALLOWEEN!")

 

The so-called Negroes are the ONLY People whose history shows they

have been beaten and killed DAILY by another people for the past 400

years. The jails of America are now filled with the poor so-called

Negroes mixed with The Muslims. The so-called Negro prisoners

are fast becoming converts to ISLAM.

 

This is ALLAH'S (God's) doings that the scripture may be fulfilled;

wherein it says: "which executeth Judgment for the oppressed: which

giveth food to the hungry. The Lord looseth the prisoners. ' (Ps.

146:7; Acts 12:7, Rev. 2:10)

=====================================================================

As-Salaam Alaikum: MFMM

 

BLACK MUSLIMS ARE PREACHING THIS VILE HATE IN PRISONS ACROSS AMERICA AND RECRUITING NEW KILLERS!  (but getting a lot of nooky at the same time)

 

This is from Yahoo! Groups : MasterFardMuhammadMuslims Messages : Message 513 of 534

 

IN THE NAME OF ALLAH ~MASTER FARD MUHAMMAD~

THE GREAT MAHDI!

 

As-Salaam Alaikum ~

 

Messenger Elijah Muhammad taught us that in the Day of the Judgment,

the devils would go insane and seek to attack Mecca! The work of all

Prophets of Allah (God) is not to tell the people of the day, but of

day that is to come! 6,000 years after Yakub the GREAT and TERRIBLE

DAYS of ALLAH, in the Person of MASTER FARD MUHAMMAD, has arrived!

 

"ALL WHITE FOLKS IS THE DEVIL!"...The Honorable John Muhammad,

Supreme Minister of the Nation of Islam

 

"To make devil, what must you first do?" Ans. -- "To make devil, one

must begin grafting from Original."

 

"What is a devil?" Ans

2 Wow, AJ, that was a loooooooong comment.
 
to the point of the post, though:
The bad news for Mr. Romney is equally obvious: that he's being overshadowed by a guy who's not even in the race. As for the good news for Mr. Thompson: He's doing great for a guy not doing anything.
 
So, if this is what happens when he's not doing anything, what happens when he formally announces and actually, ya know, does something?
 
Myself, I hoping for cool stuff. Like calling down lightning on his foes, parting seas, that sort of thing. . . sure be a refreshing change of pace, wouldn't it?

3 Americanjihad... long post, and I didn't see anything supporting the "NOI = bad ghey" in it, as claimed at the top.

I always wondered how a gay muslim squared his life.  Being gay, he is denied paradise.  As Islam lacks the Christian concept of grace, the gay muslim must believe he is doomed to hell, unless he does the only thing which trumps his gayness... martyrdom.  Thus it makes internally logical sense for a gay muslim to become a suicide bomber.
The alternative is what we see in places like Iran, where gay mullahs try to define 'gay' in such a way as to allow their own perversions.  Thus it is defined as only 'gay' if you are on the receiving end of voluntary ass ramming.  If you are involuntarily ass raped, you are not gay.  If you are the ass raper, you are not gay.  And if either party is a post-op tranny, nobody is gay!

Anyway, you should write on that stuff, not about how much Farakhan sucks it.

4 I was sure Giuliani was going to slip. But after reading one of Wooga's comments didn't want to bring it up. Doesn't matter though. Just wish Thompson and Giuliani could get together. McCain has been history for a long time.

5 I've been bringing up the black muslim connection for 3 years. Forget it. Brainwashed academic woosies are too far gone to realize that much of the black community will be fighting with the muslims when the day comes. Commenters like allahdickchew prefers to get buggered by the ones fresh out of prison.

6 Of course Thompson Explodes. Every time he touches a mic, he's Superfly T.N.T. He's the Guns of the Navarone!

1 Sheesh. 

2 The male "singers" sounded so, oh gosh, Michael Jackson-ish? 

3 Absolutely the worst thing I've ever heard.

4 They ARE sick twisted subhuman trolls, but I don't think 'abortion' is the right term. Execution for treason and sedition is more what I think you really want.  Actually, I'm concerned that people like the Phelps, and Kos Kids vote.  I'm even more concerned by those who burn flags and soldier effigy's while chanting that you should 'put down the ballot and pick up your gun'!  Lotsa sick twisted subhuman trolls out there for sure!  And 'good morning' BTW
                    USA, all the way!

5 That is just really really sad. How on earth do people get this way, and worse why would they do that to their children. Just Sick.

6 ^{Michael Weaver - 'They ARE sick twisted subhuman trolls, but I don't think 'abortion' is
the right term. Execution for treason and sedition is more what I think
you really want.'}

It's 'retroactive abortion', not 'abortion'.
It is precisely the term I intended, and the entire point of the video.
I could explain further, but where's the fun in that?

To quote a film I once saw:  "Talking about jazz is like dancing about philosophy."

Cheers!

7 In time they will have to stand before their creator and answer for all they have done.

8

Whats your last name John?

9 "Whats your last name John?"   How about "Flushinger"  ???  
                                 USA, all the way!

10 Or maybe he's "John Smallberries"       USA, all the way!

11 "retroactive abortion'"  well that IS pretty late term, isn't it?  I reached a point where I hate the word 'abortion' so I guess I'll have to apologize.  The Phelps family earns thier earthly scorn. I'd hope they don't burn forever for the mistakes made during a simple mortal lifespan.  But I still wish they would get hit by a really big asteroid in the meantime!                       
                             USA, all the way!

12 No apology is needed.

13 Hmmm... I thought anthropologists determined that all of the Neanderthals died out... what gives.

14 Bunch of sick, twisted, lying, phoney Christian fools.  A pathetic sort--it's little wonder anyone takes them seriously.

15 I feel so...uplifted....  Oh, wait...that's just lunch coming back on me... never mind.

16 The Phelps' cult and others like them were predicted  were predicted oh, so many years ago:
Phi 3:
 2Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
 3For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
 
They will answer for their actions on this earth.

17 The same liberals with this dumb SAVE THE RAINFORESTS,SAVE THE REDWOODS,SAVE THE WHALES,SAVE THE SPOTTED OWL,SAVE THE FLOWER LOVING FLY,SAVE THE DELTA SMELT,SAVE REDLEGGED FROG bumper stickers on their cars are probibly the same ones who support abortion

18

If God is a human that lives down the block from THEM then, yeah, he just might hate the world.

1 Read this, written in 2001.
 
It needs to be read now, by everybody in America.
 
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-barnett091801.shtml

2 Any one here recall how the pussy Brits gave up the guns and now they have cops kicking in the doors for traffic tickets? Where is that cock sucker smart ass fuck faced Grey Rooster to protect his faggot heritage? Hiding under his fat Mexicans ball sack hoping every one will protect him. Hey you fucking pussy!!!! The cop's are the clean up crew, they don't have to die to protect a piss ant little sissy like you. Yeah I'll stand up at your socker game you fuck faced little girl. And put my size 14 up your faggot ass! We bear arms to kick the holy fucking shit out of assholes and dickweeds who think we work for them.

3

F*cknutt: The only thing we have in common is shoe size. You want stand up and insult the Brits at scoccer game and your miserable, shitty little self doesn't have the courage. They would kick the shit out of your pitiful little ass. I'm 65 years old but whould still like to try you. My sons read you comment and got a big laught out of it. Either one of us would be more than happy to meet with you. We could make it a Jawa special day out.

My mexican isn't fat and he says he will kick your ass too.

My heritage is Nordic. So the Brits probably good to us for their heritage not the other way around. You are probably some insugificant minority jealous of your betters.

4 Survivors and their families should be allowed to sue VT and have all gun free school zones declared unconstitutional becuase they were part of jerk face clintons legacy of coruption

5 And F*nutt: You do work for those like me. Just the way nature intended it. It will always be so. In any case you are a nothing. Not more than a pitiful little shit that no one cares about. Probably with a case of CHO symdrome. Wouldn't work around here. We're all armed. But please continue on serving and cleaning the toilets for your betters. If you work hard perhaps they will buy you a better mop bucket. Nothing but a cowardly little name calling fairy. Only reason you bring up the word faggot is because you wish to be one. And you know it. Back in you hole. You're more comfortable there.

6 YOU JUST DON"T GET IT....
If we make it illegal, ie "gun free zone" then criminals can't bring guns into these gun free zones. THE LAW STOPS THEM.
WAKE UP AMERICAN....

Now for some bomb free zones.

G

7 Terror Free zones. Sharia Free zones,  Drug free zones.  Murder free zones, rape free zones. And best of all death free zones! Man those will be a hit.  Passed unnopposed by bipartisan majority with major funding for peanut storage!

8 Commenter participation vote.You make the call!  Delete asshole #2 or make him say he's got teh gay?

9 Effing retard.  He goes after Ted's article for having some element of humor. And goes after Ted for you know, being Ted Nugent, Rocks Star businessman,  rich anti drug rocker spokesman.  Dumbass, you know.....for being a man.....

I could not bear to comment on his blog so....

True your example of a robbery, there is not always much you can do armed or not.  A guy sticks a gun to your head out of no where.  Nothing you can do.  But, if there is a couple of other armed citizens they can shoot his most deserving behind. 

I was at a hospital one time, marvaling at how I had to stand in line for an hour to give them money.  Hmm problem....another story.  A  woman had been draged from her SUV. They stole it. She surrendered, they shot her and killer her anway.  Everyone was. "Ohhh my, that's terrible... Guns", as they looked at each other and nodded.

  I said, "But what if people had guns in their car?  You may not always have a chance.  But if a few of these murdering thugs got his head splattered the others might think twice." Oh, they dirty looks I got that day. A gun, why you're crazy.

It's alway the innocent who get killed.  I'd just as soon have one of my fellow citizens shoot him if I can't. It's about protecting each other and creating a deterrance. 

If you see someone kill  me, please, shoot him immediately!

Thanks in advance.

10 Ohh some blogger named tom watson? is miffed too. Calls Ted a, "maniac hater" and takes obvious farce as serious.  You know Ted is speaking truth, when they are so upset.... Never ceases to amaze me, the number of libtards that read me/us/we that I've never heard of.  Ya'll are my biyatches... get in the corner with Oliver, Now!!

11 Who is going to speak up and say we should be able to bring guns on to airplanes ?? How about into court houses ?

12 And into Congress yeah it is MY RIGHT !!

13 Airports and courthouses have armed security dipshit.

14

John Ryan,

We already place matters of life and death in the hands of pilots and politicians so nothing lost if we let them carry a gun. Also, if they may be carrying concealed weapons, then it isn't as big a deal if citizens who are authorized to pass security do so as well.

Basically, all citizens have thier essesential moral equality CONFIRMED by such freedom, as opposssed to having it questioned by default. Moral laxity is suppossed to be proven, not assumed. Innocent till proven guilty. You do CARE about presumption of innocense in court ... right?

Why not in society as well? Society that is ruled by the people needs to have such a presumption in place as a default, or the people cannot be presumed to be fit to rule.  Rule of the people is upheld as positive, because the people are esentially good! The positive presumption requires that the people have as much right to arms as anyone.

Anyone who can't be trusted to be responsable with firearm possession, can't be trusted to rule a nation. If the people can't be trusted, you have proven the case for replacing deomcracy with dictatorship. Is that what you want?  IT IS WHAT YOU WILL GET if you disarm the people claiming they are unfit to BE armed.

Our Founding Fathers understood this. Why does the left seek to counter thier wisdom?

USA, all the way!

15 John Ryan: I vote to allow you to bring your pistol to your favorite bathhouse. Who knows you may have lovers spat and kill a freak.

16 You know all about the bath houses since your daddy had to suck Jap cock there after the war, didn't he?

17 F*cknutt once again proves he never got passed the 3rd grade. And his mother, shame on her. Never did a very good job at raising little F*cknutt. Then again why did she name him F*cknutt?

18 "And put my size 14"   How nice for F*cknutt that he has room in his own mouth for both of 'em. And he can still get enough air to keep typing! Amazing!  But what is his core arguement? Is he really bringing anything to this thread except a hatred for the UK, Greyrooster, Mexicans, and polite discussion?  What a broad range of things to 'hate'.  I think his 'size 14's' are both 'left' and he is a moby troll.  Or maybe I missed his deeper wisdom on some other thread? I guess I need to investigate. Based on this thread though, I feel I've got it figured out allright.                                          
                
 
                                         
                            USA, all the way!

19 Poor lil F*cnutt. Feels so rejected. Perhaps he will join the muslims and I'll get a shot at him.

20 Or his mommy will lock him back in his room. He was only supposed to go to the bathroom and not use the computer.

21 GUN FREE ZONES ARE STUPID and then they have such as ASK or ASKING. SAVES.KIDS which is one of those ideas that hitler would have come up with urging all all guns be removed from the home where kids are SCREW ASK and i see where SNOOP DOGG is urging us all to give up our guns SCREW SNOOP DIRTY DOGG

22 I have always hated my father for not being there. My mother is a lesbian and that's why I call Rosie 'Mommy'. I have such a low opinion of myself that I have to rant about others and how bad they are. My wife is fucking my Mexican because my small nordic penis hasn't worked in years. If it wasn't for this blog, I would kill myself for being such a failure as a son, a husband, father, grand father and human being.

1 Liberals' idea of freedom of speech: "You are free to speak as long as you agree with me." My comrades, as someone from the ex "union uncrushable of republics free" (quote from the hymn of the USSR) I'll tell you plainly - it is communist's methology and ideology at work here. Been there, done it, got the proverbial T-shirt. No thank you very much... now scoot your butts to the AFA website and send your reps a "love" letter.
 
P.S.: I propose exposing the authors of the gag order.

2 "love" letter sent!                                 USA, all the way!

3 Freedom of speech 1 big brother 0

1 Mass murder would be harder. But it would also be easier. I think mass murderers will always figure a way. More guns in proper hands?????????? Who gets to choose who is proper? The woosies in government.

1 Well he was a member of the KKK. Very pro gun, pro rope.

1 "Drooling Jackass" comparing O'reily to a jackass is not fair to Jackasses.
A jackass might find that objectionable.

G

2 I am sure that Gonzo wants to be sure that his testimony receives full media coverage

3 Well it didn't take you long to come up with paranoid concerns about the left. Have you realized that you are the "loony" right yet?

4 Gonzales shouldn't be fired for this, he should be fired because Sandy Burgler is walking the streets instead of dealing with a bump-buddy in federal max.

5 Hey, John, I've noticed your comments before. It seems that anyone to the right of Barack Obama is "loony" in your book. Thanks for the affirmation; we're known by our enemies.

Abu John al-Ryan: nothing intelligent to add? Talk to your controller for guidance.

 Mrs. Abe: you have a point. The Bush admin is entirely too accommodating to its opposition.

6 The Dread Pundit Bluto,
 
John Ryan doesn’t actually have anything to say, like Gollum from LOTR he hides in the shadows casting feebly thrown stones at imaginary enemies. The slightest hint of daylight and he squeals like a stuck pig and runs for the protection of yet greater darkness all the while muttering insane obstinacies to his precious.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=16834

7 Poor John Lyin: He just isn't appreciated.

1 He has probably lost the Cuban American vote with those cigars

2 John Ryan,
 
What fucking stupid logic, because Cuban Americans don’t appreciate a really good cigar...Wrong.  All the Cuban Americans I have ever met are quite proud of the fact that Cuban cigars are the finest on earth. They may hate Castro and his regime, but they don’t blame the cigars for Castro. And this might come as a shock to you but if you want a good Cuban cigar here in the United States odds are you are going to get it from a Cuban American or from someone who got it from a Cuban American. You ought to take a real good look at one of the Cuban American communities some time, you would probably be shocked to notice how many of them are smoking good old Havana's.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=16834

3 Ryan's a troll who's only interest is to stir shit up. I banned his cowardly ass from my page.
He no longer qualifies as a human being to me. Hope the puke dies, painfully.

4 Cubans still roll some good ones in Tampa, Fla.

1

If Fred isn’t on my ballot I’m writing him in. I refuse to vote for another RINO –EVER!

1 The PJM polls are ridiculously unreliable.  Ron Paul was trouncing everybody until PJMbanned him from the polls, claiming 'fraud.'  The problem is, PJM gets under 5,000 self-selecting votes.

Thompson will climb slowly, and Guiliani will fall significantly unless he fixes his "strict constructionists can find a fundamental right to abortion" nonsense, so we'll probably have a very competitive contest in a month or so:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-192.html
(Thompson at 11% to Rudy's 32%)

2 Umm, who is Ron Paul????

3 Ron Paul is a libertarian congressman. He holds a Republican seat.  People say he's anti-war, which isn't exactly true, as he sponsored a bill for a formal declaration of war on Iraq.  He just takes the libertarian view of our government to its logical extreme, and opposed the war as not procedurally proper.

So, Ron Paul's support comes primarily from libertarians, with a little bit of the anti-war paleo-cons joining in as well.

4 lfb: You are beginning to act like a muslim.

1 Not only would Fred make a great President but his wife has a very impressive rack too.

2 Better Fred... than Red.

3 Fred, run, or we lose.

4 Some of you guys are a little late to the party but if you bring beer we'll let you in!
http://draftfredthompson.com/index.php/topic,5.0.html

5 If McCain were a true republican he would pass his war chest over to Thompson. Can they do that? McCain is history. Rommey, Giuliani. Either one would team nicely with Thompson. Love to see Newt in there but don't think he can do it.

1 Dile no a las drogas.

2 I think people should be ashamed and cry themselves to sleep at night at the poor plight of drug users (victims) we should of course be offering free drug rehabilitation, and be working to change the ghetto's and slums into five star condo's, we should also offer free health care to drug users (victims) and empty the prisons of anyone remotely convicted to drug charges. Drug users are of course not responsible for any of their actions, they're predestined into taking drugs because of their environment.
/sarc

3 oh wait, I think we've come down to the crux of huffpo's complaint and it doesn't seem to be racist drug policies, just that the pesky constitution stops Felons from voting:
A 2000 study found that 1.4 million African American men -- 13 percent of the total black male population -- were unable to vote in the 2000 election because of state laws barring felons access to the polls. In Florida, one in three black men is permanently disqualified from voting. Think that might have made a difference in the 2000 race?

If Felons could vote, Democrats might have won is the message here.
Felons, the Democrats want YOU to vote Democratic

4 Well...the current system works SOOOOOOOO well. Nothing like spending a hundred billion a year and having the largest incarcerated population of any free country to scream success.

5 Maybe the answer is then to remove any law that puts too many people in Prison? European style, you know like Britain that is now asking for community service rather than prison sentences because too many women are being put in Jail for it:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,1167580,00.html
In 2000 shoplifting offenses only went up by 70%
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6039074.stm
I wonder what the cause was?
The BRC said "soft" penalties for shoplifting and lack of enforcement was partly to blame for soaring shoplifting rates.
It said it wanted the government to continue having prison as an option for punishing shoplifters.
Mr Hawkins added: "The penalties are perceived by potential shoplifters to be very light indeed.

It seems to be working out soooo well to ignore 'petty' crime, right?

6 Just say "Thanks!"

7

We could use a more sane policy on drugs. Meth is clearly bad. Pot, not so much, and probably no worse than booze. Some reasonable distinctions can be made between heroin, and hash.  Shoudln't we be willing to explore that.           USA, all the way!

8 Michael,

wrong.  There's a strong connection between pot smoking and schizophrenia:

http://bipolar.about.com/od/relateddisorders/a/schizo_pot.htm

And now you know why so many pot-smoking Leftards suffer from a mental disorder.

9 Jesusland Carlos.  I don't count legalizing a thing, as being the same thing as approval.  I do not approve of alchohol, but prohibition of that was counter productive.  I have reason to say that drinkers are worse than potheads in many ways, and methheads put them both completely to shame.  I think we should tax pot, and execute meth dealers. It would cut into the problem with illegals if we did. I've only seen one recovery from crystal meth. I've seen many put away pot and booze and walk away.  I think we need reform in the drug war.                                                                                           
                                   USA, all the way!

10

England has a shoplifting problem. Strange, England also has a immigrant problem. Could they be connected? Oh goodness, what a racist thing to say.

11 Controlled substance policy is sticky because both sides have very good arguments.

I would argue more on the side of legalization if we could step over a dying junkie and not react. However, we do not do that we summon the rescue squad; we rush him to the local ER; we spend time, effort, and money etc to save his life. Since society foots that bill society says do not do that.

Strong enforcement does deter. Prior to going overseas I was told if I saw any drug usage going on at a party or a place I was at, to get out ASAP as any raid on the place would not distinguish between those using & those not using. So I watched it and avoided getting too close to people who I knew were using or suspected.

However, the libertarian argument is also strong. People should be allowed to do as they wish as long as they harm none others.

I would not oppose the legalization of unrefined drugs legalized (this would not include hash, opiates, coke etc) but will not direct any of my time, effort or treasure on the matter.

In the end no one is an island.

12 "execute meth dealers"  In retrospect I guess that sounds shocking, but I'm sick to death of the destruction  cause by meth. In my point of view, the most destructive thing you can start some one on is meth. I really can say I've never seen anything like it. My tolerance for reasonable legalization debate ends entirely, and non-negotiably as soon as we get to meth dealers. I guess I'd ease back on execution if the dealer was a user. They are insane, and need help. Willing dealers who aren't users should be killed. Even that is to kind. They are deploying a weapon of mass destruction, for thier own personal profit, and inflicting nothing but suffering, and death. Meth is almost like chemically induced leprosy with insanity as an added bonus. There is nothing good about meth that can't be gotten through safer drugs, ergo, there is nothing good about meth. Now that I have ranted,    Lesser drugs can be taxed to provide for thier own social disadvantages.  Meth is a monster that must be destroyed.        USA, all the way!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
.

1 If Mr. Thompson doesn't run for President, I'm going to be very disappointed.  Can anyone recall a Dhimmicrat doing something like this?  ................ /chirping cricket sounds.

1 This is all about one's "legacy" for sure.  These people are so narcissistic. 

2 To quote LGF, John Edwards hits bottom, then digs.

3 So sad. But politicians put politics above all.

1 It's fred or some evil democrat.  Screw Guliani.


But I'm for fred over the evil democrat....

2 Fred doesn't stand a chance to win the Presidency, neither does Newt, neither does McCain. So all you Giuliani haters, thanks for the Democrap president in 2008 and for the subsequent withdrawals of Iraq and Afghanistan. Your short-sightedness gift-wraps the win for the libtards.

3 MidnightSun -

How did you come to your conclusion that Fred has "no chance"?

I tend to think that Giuliani may have a better shot in '08, but I'm not even sure about that.

4 How did you come to your conclusion that Fred has "no chance"?

Because he likes Giuliani.  That's it.  Fred Thompson hasn't even declared yet and he's already neck and neck with the big boys. 

5 That's what I'm thinking.

6 Fred has a several years of experience (more than the dem candidates), name recognition, a solid conservative voting record, and he is likeable and charismatic.  Anyone who thinks he "doesn't stand a chance" isn't paying attention, or is in possession of hidden camera footage of Fred jacking off a monkey.

In that case, it's Rudy FTW!

7 >Because he likes Giuliani.

I'm happy you speak for me, it saves on typing.

Actually, it's mostly about funding, recognition and political experience (lobbying doesn't count.) Fred, if he starts, would start too late into the game. He wouldn't get backing like Clinton and Obama, nor does he have enough time to get to that point, Giuliani can. 7-14% isn't something to write home about. I'm not against Fred. Or McCain. They just wouldn't be able to win over moderates or independents, Giuliani can. The nation is so polarized and heavily anti-Bush, that anyone with recent ties to Bush/Libby/Cheney have little chance of winning in 2008. The nation is overly eager for change, you can't bring in someone like Fred and expect the majority of the nation to welcome him with open arms when they're constantly bombarded with what's going wrong today by the media. He's not the right person for right now and the 7-14% sort of proves that.

8 Fred and Rudy? Rudy and Fred?              USA, all the way!

1 Thanks Ragnar.                                USA, all the way!

2 The more I see of Fred Thompson the more I like him and I am starting to very seriously think Thompson in 08.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=16834

3 I think Mc Cain in history. Giuliani has some baggage that the libturds and bible thumpers will prey on. Thompson looks good but does he come on to strong for the woosie majority. Nothing from Newt these days. Mitt Rommey has cash and isn't very comittal on anything. Always a good sign in politics. As expected the democrats will nitpick each other until Hillary wins the democratic nomination. 99% of blacks will back Jomama. Doesn't matter if he is real or a jerk. Black votes black. I hope they get into a fight with the lefturds and mainstream democrats. Sooner or later Hillary or her supporters will say something to OFFEND the black community. Should be fun to watch Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton ragging on hilarious Hillary and their hero BJ Billy for a change..

4 Very soothing!
Thanks R.D.

5 The stats show that the lower your education level the more likely you will vote for the Dims. They have a lot of people on their side that will not vote for a black or a women. Thompson can win it.

6 http://www.surveyusa.com/

Allows you to pair up candidates and see who will win on a state by state basis.  Be careful, since they track how many matches you test, and then disable access to the charts after 3 or 4 checks.

As I recall, Rudy wins 40+ states against everybody.  Even if evangelicals stay home, Rudy is still going to win OK, MO, UT, and so on.  Rudy will then pick up at least Penn and NJ, for the win.  The downside for a Rudy campaign is a possible loss by the GOP on down ticket local races, where the moderate Rudy voters may vote for dems over repubs.

7 Hey come on in the waters fine!
http://draftfredthompson.com/index.php
 
I hate to link and run but things are heating up........

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1 Which shows that 2 out of 3 voters don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. Refer to my previous posts on voting. Uninformed uneducated loser 1 vote. Informed educated successful person 1 vote.

2 REMEMBER, the only certainty is that everything changes in politics.  Polls like this are a scientific laughing stock, especially since asking respondents to predict the future vastly compounds the variability, and further degrades the validity of the results.  To me, the most interesting variable is the growing conflict in the ME.  I think the allies are clearly winning, but it is equally clear that the anti- democracy forces in the ME really don't like being defeated.  As the crisis escalates, will the majority of Americans remain dormant? I think not.

3 Maybe it's 2 out of 3 that are AFRAID the democrats will take the White House. I know I am.

4 Just once I would like to be polled. Others like me feel the same way. Who in the h*ll are the polling?

5 Yea! I'm 65 yrs old and never been polled yet.

6 I'd just as soon those carpetbaggers keep their poles away from me.

7 Iraq is the number one issue.

8 John Ryan:  Your mama is the #1 issue on the streets of  Harlem. Get the bitch out.

1 Discusting, I am sick of the so-called religious right. Too much emphasis has been put on it. I myself am very religious but this pushes it to the extremes. (My daughter was told by an aunt that was a born again christian that she would go to hell unless she submitted to the christain religion). She cried nightly and took me several months to make that wrong a right. All radicals have the same agenda be it islam, whatever. I am a Christain buit not a radical Christain. I want straightforward politics with the people I choose to elect. If a group declares not to reprisent a candidate that is there poragative, I will choose on my own. No religious group will tell me how to vote. I am an believer but don't cross my path telling me who to vote for.....just sayin

2 I'm a hard core Christian nut. I know that Jesus wasn't a hippie, and I suspect most people on the planet are going to hell.  Maybe even me too.

However, I take to heart the notion that "there is no compulsion in religion."  More accurately, I know that faith is only worth something if it is truly the result of free will.  Political or social pressure - like Dobson loves to exert - towards Christianity devalues the sincerity of the target's faith, and turns religion into a tool for social climbing, rather than a matter of eternal salvation.

That said, I think Dobson's spokesman is a dick. Dobson himself, well he's just an asshole.

3 Why do the words idiotic individual become a millstone around the neck of an entire group? You realize that men like Falwell, Robertson, and Dobson have almost no practical influence with in American Evangelism. The last time Robertson or Falwell had anyone paying attention to them, it was the 80s, and Dobson's is circling the drain as we speak. You never hear about other prominent Evangelicals--philosophers, theologians, scholars, and academics--because the media doesn't get that anyone other than Falwell and Robertson represent Evangelical Christianity (or they just don't think they're interesting to put on).

For a list of influential Evangelicals you never hear about it on the News, try Know Your Evangelicals.

4 HAHA!  I thought all this time it was Fred Thompson vs. Lou Dobson!  Guess it pays to read

5 Comrades,
 
    If I remember my New Testament correctly, there was a story of Jesus instructing the Apostles on what they should do to gain converts. I'm only paraphrasing here, but He said,
 
   "Go into the town, and preach the Good News. Reason and discuss, but if they will not accept you, then turn around and walk away. When you reach the end of the town, kick the dust off your sandels and continue your journey."
 
    or something to that effect.
 
   Dobson's tactics of seeing who is more Christian than Jesus and judging folks accordingly has no place in his religion. Wasn't it also in the binle that one should "Judge not, lest ye be judges yourself"?
 
  Ah well. I renounced Christianity many years ago. I have never regretted that, and each time I listen to yahoos like Dobson and Robertson, I feel more respect for my decision.
 
   Respects,

6 From what I've seen, that's not completely off the mark, but James Dobson has at least cultivated the perception that he wields enormous influence over evangelical Christian Republicans.
I think a whole lot of evangelical Christians (perhaps including Mr.
Marcoe) are uncomfortable with the idea of an evangelical Christian
leader as a political kingmaker. A lot of Christians, including
evanglicals, are offended by the very idea of "Christian politics."

I thank you for the thoughtful consideration. There are several things I am offended by. I am offended by the use of his influence to stoke a petty political conflict. I am offended by his shallow and narrow-minded view of what is "Christian," conflating the culture of a worship community with the heart of a faith. I am offended that he had the hubris to judge someone else's position before God. I am offended at the casual thoughtlessness of his comments and his disingenuous defense of  it.

We American Christians have grown fat and lazy, becoming arrogant and complacent with the freedom bought in tears and blood by our forefathers. We have forgotten our first love and have betrayed our mission. Instead of attempting to preach the Gospel and love our neighbor, we fight petty political battles, achieving nothing, and embitter even our allies. While I don't believe that Dobson's actions accurately represent Christians as a whole, we deserve much of the scorn we garner.

7 "Every third generation destroys wealth"

8 David Marcoe: And your solution?

9 In a lot of Bush's behavior I'd say he wasn't a real man of Christ. If Dobson thinks so or thought so, even before he became president I wonder if Dobson has sinned. Its ludicrous to say or even imply a person is fit for the oval office only if his/her heart is right with the Lord.

10 Thompson is way beyond dobsons reach to influence anyway.

11 David Marcoe: And your solution?

Back to basics. On an individual level, it means consciously seeking out a routine that places you in as much exposure to Christ as possible. Not just reading the Bible and prayer, but carrying out your daily life with the love Christ would have shown to others. Collectively, it means  abandoning the majority of policy battles, except for those that are centrally important, and devoting our energy to charity, missions, and evangelism. Where we do enter into politics, it has to be on foundational issues, instead of focusing on candidates, personalities, and small "symbolic" measures (like the Ten Commandments debacle)  leading to petty conflicts. It is about taking a step back, letting the small things slide, and worrying about the big things.

12 Am I the only Christian commenting here, who has ever been called a Satanist? I don't worry about men like Dobson. Thompson shouldn't either. Fair minded individuals will always seek to make the smartest choice.  And as far as I'm concerned, Dobson should be kissing Fred's ring, not vice versa.  Drop Dobson, and stop giving him free publicicty. Promote Thompson, and he will take it to victory.                      USA, all the way!

13 David Marcoe: Sorry pal. I don't think turning the other cheek to a muslim is going to get it. Sure didn't work for Jesus. Hugging a muslim only gives him a chance to stab you in the back. I respect your beliefs but history has shown them to be a poor defense against the barbarians.