June 29, 2007
Is the Conservative Grassroots Just a Paper Tiger?
Allah thinks so:
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[Arlen Specter] is why I scoff at threats that we’re going to bounce those who voted for amnesty with primary challenges. If we had any power to get rid of incumbents, don’t you think we would have sent this tool packing decades ago?I think Allah raises a decent point, but I also think an awful lot of folks in this country are just now waking up to how much the elite machinery protects its own. George W. Bush was able to give the Snarlin' Spectre a nice boost to fend off a primary challenge by Pat Toomey just a few years back. Any chance that Bush could swoop into Pennsylvania and give Spectre a big boost today? Not much.
It's not just Bush. The rank-and-file Republicans are a lot less likely today to trust the party leadership in general. I believe that collapse of trust is going to make a difference next year. How much of a difference remains to be seen.
If we can't pry the worst RINOs out in the primaries, then I may be more receptive to Ace's position on what to do about these guys in the general.
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Spector is from Pennsilvania a shacky blue state that will bite a Rhino but conservativism is not going to have great sway. Compationate Conservative crap sells in places like that which are the oxymoron of Limited Liberal Socialism but somehow with enough conservative part to not break the bank, like I said oxymoron.
Were Conservatives could really hold sway and control elections would be in the red states the west and especially the south. Concentration their would bring some victories and over time backed by deeds that base could be expanded.
I still believe thou the answer is forming a Conservative Alliance that you could donate to rather than the RNC this Alliance then from within the Republican party make donations to push over like minded Conservatives in the Primaries (were Conservative sway will be the strongest). A little money in the primary will go alot further than a general election. A bonus would be that if the Conservative Alliance group was picky in who they allowed to pimp thier membership bonofieds then like in 06' when the Rhinos went on a spend and graft spree along with some kiddy f*ckin to boot the Alliance members could step out of that umbrella and maybe all those Blue Dogs would have been Conservative Alliance members who took out the incumbents in the primaries and rode in the general as not a Republican but a Republican Conservative.
Were Conservatives could really hold sway and control elections would be in the red states the west and especially the south. Concentration their would bring some victories and over time backed by deeds that base could be expanded.
I still believe thou the answer is forming a Conservative Alliance that you could donate to rather than the RNC this Alliance then from within the Republican party make donations to push over like minded Conservatives in the Primaries (were Conservative sway will be the strongest). A little money in the primary will go alot further than a general election. A bonus would be that if the Conservative Alliance group was picky in who they allowed to pimp thier membership bonofieds then like in 06' when the Rhinos went on a spend and graft spree along with some kiddy f*ckin to boot the Alliance members could step out of that umbrella and maybe all those Blue Dogs would have been Conservative Alliance members who took out the incumbents in the primaries and rode in the general as not a Republican but a Republican Conservative.
Posted by: C-Low at June 29, 2007 10:49 AM (aXMim)
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I think Allah is wrong because I personally have gotten 5 different friends more involved in this AMNESTY debacle then they have ever been politically and if I got 5 friends and someone else got 5 friends and so on and so on we actually have a new movement and NumbersUSA is proof of that. So lets not stop at this win after the Senators July holiday lets start harassing them to secure the borders under current law and lets go after the businesses that hire illegals. To let this opportunity go would be sad.
Posted by: Jaded at June 29, 2007 11:38 AM (ElLn4)
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I have friends that wrote our Senators for the first time ever. We should either force a change at the primaries, or we should use the tools we have with the internet, and start a thrid party in ernest! Call it the 'Conservative' party, maybe. Call it the 'Common Sense' party, possibly. Come up with a name, and organize. And take this last thought seriously .... .... If we don't have a candidate of our own, we can still choose which candidate from the BigTwo, represents our values in each election. and if we choose, we can endorse them as a block! As a third party, we can let the BigTwo spend money building up possible candidates, and we can withold our endorsement as a block, or bestow it. .... There is more than one way to skin a cat (no offense cat lovers) Make these dingalings recognize us.
USA, all the way!
USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at June 29, 2007 02:25 PM (2OHpj)
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I'm with Jaded. Time for enforcemnent of the laws on the books.
Posted by: Greyrooster at June 29, 2007 03:00 PM (BT9oD)
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