March 06, 2007

WSJ: Islam's Other Radicals

The Wall Street Journal's Bret Stephens reports on the Secular Islam Summit:

Radicalism, at least of a kind, is certainly what this summit provides via Wafa Sultan. Dr. Sultan, a Syrian-born psychiatrist now living in the U.S., came to widespread public attention last year after she debated a Sunni cleric on al-Jazeera. "Only Muslims defend their beliefs by burning down churches," she observed. The televised clip, translated by Memri, has been downloaded on YouTube more than a million times.

Dr. Sultan, whose outspokenness has forced her and her family into hiding, is here to receive an award from the Center for Inquiry, the summit's organizer and lead funder. She accepts it by saying: "I don't believe there is any difference between radical Islam and regular Islam."

The view is shared by some, though by no means all, of the conferees. "Salafists cannot imagine Islam without the killing of apostates," says Dr. Hamid, who also now lives in hiding. "To them, the religion is a house of cards: Remove one element, and the whole structure collapses." Another conferee subscribes to the Salafist logic, though he dissents from the religion as a whole. "Truth is," he admits, "to be a Muslim democrat you have to be a bad Muslim."

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1 "to be a Muslim democrat you have to be a bad Muslim."

Or else re-define "bad"...

Posted by: mojo at March 06, 2007 05:52 PM (g1cNf)

2 More attention to this is a good thing.                USA, all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at March 06, 2007 06:04 PM (2OHpj)

3 Ah, the murky water may yet become clearer for many people. Frozen in time? Yep, that's this religion, Isalm.  Hasn't yet made it to the next stage of evolution.  Our only problem is we must now send  a message to those who think their present interpretations will suffice to eradicate all non-believers!  Coming soon, our religious leaders will take a front position in asking Islam's leaders to clarify their beliefs and positions relative to this Islamofacist mass movement.  At that moment a much larger war will begin on this planet, for all to see.  The trouble with a cancer rests in its definition, its composition, those properties which make it so.  Culture war again!  Let's win, but in doing so we might want to realize that there are many parts of our culture which have strong components of self destruction embedded.  The host provides a willing receptor for the cancer...we perhaps should deal with these realities too--in a constructive way, while fighting this war.

Posted by: RJ at March 06, 2007 06:18 PM (yyxO/)

4 A TO-DO LIST FOR CANADIAN MUSLIMS
-- Advocate democracy to anyone who will listen.  Admit it, you want it.  Only a fool would turn it down, and that’s why Iraqi’s want democracy, even in the middle of their current crisis.  It never hurts to remind people about democracy.  Everywhere I go in the West, I meet people who do not really know what democracy is, or what’s so good about it. Here’s a basic kit.  Democracy consists of : (1) The people are governed by representatives who are elected by fair and frequent elections, with the President and/or Prime minister also elected, (2) Written laws which can be changed by elected representatives, (3) A final “Basic Law” (Constitution), on which all other laws are based, and it usually has a “Bill of Rights”, describing the essential rights and freedoms of all citizens,  (4) Judges who ensure that the laws are applied fairly, and these judges are appointed or elected, and no politician can fire them, (5) A separation of Religion and Politics, so that neither can interfere with each other.

– It may seem easy to advocate democracy among Muslims, but it’s not.  I’m thinking, for example, about the comments sections on the Lebanese website Naharnet.com.   There, they seem to think that democracy consists of: (1) democratic elections, and (2) killing anyone they don’t like, whenever they want.  To their credit, they do have very heterogeneous opinions, although most are about who should be killed, and why.  Alright, I’m exaggerating, but I do find Naharnet.com a useful guide to Middle Eastern thinking.

– Treat women as the equals of men in all things. I mean it. If you were not ready to do this when you came over, re-think your move.  Remember all the good things that democracy offers you, and discriminating against women is not democratic. Completely get rid of nijabs, niqabs, hijabs, and all other jabs. Muslim women should never wear any of that stuff, ever.  They must wear what they want, where and when they want, except no jabs of any sort, at least for the next 50 years. Then we’ll see.  If they must have a head covering, let it be a cowboy hat.  If Canadian Muslims do not stop with the jabs, immediately, the rest of us will begin wearing gorilla costumes, all the time, everywhere.  The only marriage and divorce laws and customs that are acceptable are Western laws and customs, no exceptions.  Arranged marriages: kaput. Doweries: nope.  ‘Betrothing’ her at age 12: you’ve got to be kidding.  Honour killings: just plain murder.  Regulating, stipulating, or controlling who ‘Jasmine’ will marry: not.  ‘Jasmine’ will determine who to marry, not you, and if she decides to marry a be-kilted Scotsman, live with it, many Westerners have, and survived.  Muslim women will attend college, police academy, or hockey school if they feel like it, and don’t try to stop them (“Ladies and gentlemen, our most valuable player of the evening, Fatima al Douri!”).  None of this crap about aborting female fetuses, either.

– Stop calling the people you don’t like “unbelievers”.  You know very well that this is a veiled death threat.

– Stop it with the Sharia law already.  You’ve got to decide which country you’re going to live in, and stick with that decision.  After you’ve decided, live by the laws of your chosen country.

– Stop hating Jews.  I know, it’s hard for you, but you have to just give it up.  In the first place, hating any ethnic group violates the Bill of Rights of almost every democratic nation, and don’t make a habit of violating your host country’s Bill of Rights.  Word gets around, and it makes you unpopular.  In the second place, hating Jews is an enormous waste of time and energy, and as a new immigrant you can’t afford to waste time and energy.

– Stop acting like you have a better religion, and that includes thinking about a ‘World Caliphate’.  Only Allah knows what he is up to, and don’t pretend that you know.  In Canada, if we were going to switch, it would be to Zoroastrianism (fire worship).  It really makes a lot of sense for us.

– Stop it with the ‘victim’ stuff, it’s really irritating.  You have more economic, social and religious freedoms than anywhere else on Earth, and you can’t move to Mars yet.  Stop running around with the ankle-length Kameez and the wool Yamalkah-thing, crying discrimination.  Tuck your shirt in, and get a better toque.  Remember, in Canada, we are glad to have you.  We like variety, because it makes us strong.  Also, with so many different ethnic groups, ethnic hatred becomes impractical, because hating just one group seems unfair somehow, and it’s too time consuming to hate them all.  Besides, if you did hate them all, you wouldn’t have any friends.  Also, Muslims are good for Canada, because most are ambitious, hard workers, friendly, and know how to live in harsh environments.  It’s normal, in a way – a little cold, perhaps, but normal.  It’s kind of nice to think of a small town in Ontario, with a church at one end, and a mosque at the other, I like it.  Maybe some day they will be side-by-side.


Posted by: DemocracyRules at March 06, 2007 06:55 PM (L/SIz)

5 Dream on. Just wait until they are the majority in the quaint little town. They have had their chance to act civilized. Their religion doesn't allow it. Even if one is a hard working, law abiding what will his children become after listening to the hatred the Koran teaches?

Posted by: greyrooster at March 06, 2007 08:54 PM (wTIrf)

6 RJ, You are so very right

Posted by: wb at March 07, 2007 08:53 AM (hiEju)

7 ""Salafists cannot imagine Islam without the killing of apostates,"

And there it is, the elephant in the room, yet again.

It is also very convenient for a Salafist to be able to declare a fellow Muslim "takfeer/apostate" and kill them on the spot with no religious consequences.

Posted by: blackflag at March 07, 2007 09:44 AM (Mq5jS)

8 D Rules....
Way to go ! The only it could be any better is if you were an American. You damn sure sound like one or at least how we should be! Good job.

Posted by: wb at March 07, 2007 06:07 PM (hiEju)

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