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November 09, 2006

Cartoon Protester Guilty of Inciting Racial Hatred

Mizanur Rahman was found guilty of inciting racial hatred but acquitted of charges of inciting murder for his involvement at a rally protesting cartoon depictions of Mohammed in which he called for the killing of British soldiers, the murder of blasphemers, and prayed for 'another 9/11 all over Europe'.

The follower of exiled cleric Omar Bakri Mohammed was seen in front of the Danish embassy carrying a placard (depicted right) which said, "Behead those that insult Islam".

Report of the verdict here. I don't agree with laws that make it illegal to incite to hatred, but surely urging on your enemies in a time of war is sedition if not treason.

He will be sentenced at a later time. Here is some of what Mizanur Rahman's said at the rally. Prepare for the worst:

'Oh Allah, we want to see another 9/11 in Iraq, another 9/11 in Denmark, another 9/11 in Spain, in France, all over Europe. Oh Allah, destroy all of them, Amen'."
"Bomb, bomb France. Bomb, bomb France. Nuke, nuke France. Nuke, nuke France."
"We don't want to see them [British soldiers] in Baghdad or in Iraq any more. We want to see them coming home in body bags. We want to see their blood running in the streets of Baghdad and Fallujah."
"We want to see the Mujahideen shoot down their planes like the way they shoot down birds. We want to see their tanks burnt, just like we burn their flags."
"We want to see their freedoms destroyed. We want to see all of them removed from Muslim land. Oh, Allah don't leave any of them alive in Iraq, don't leave any of them alive in Afghanistan, don't leave any of them standing in France."

Rahman later made a non-apology apology saying:

"I feel almost ashamed. I feel the words didn't make sense. I didn't think anyone would take me seriously."

Almost ashamed? In that case I'm almost sorry he were found guilty. And I almost hesitate to add that hanging Rahman would almost be too good for him.

Hat tip Glen Jenvey for the e-mail.

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1 Cartoon Protester Guilty of Inciting Racial Hatred.

And you're not?

Posted by: Greg at November 09, 2006 05:48 PM (19GwZ)

2 He'll probably get a slap on the wrist by some pantywaist Europeon judge.

Posted by: Darth Vag at November 09, 2006 06:24 PM (HSkSw)

3
And you're not?

Which "race" would that be? (last I heard islam was a religion).

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 09, 2006 06:52 PM (8e/V4)

4 You know the globalists want to shed us of all religion. Satan is their Prince. They are going to move the chess pieces until we all decide that religion itself is evil. If Islam is eradicted by the globalist, Christianity will be next.

Posted by: Greg at November 09, 2006 07:40 PM (19GwZ)

5 Jesusland Carlos,

The fact that this so-called "Greg" thinks of Islam as a "race" is very much endemic to and characteristic of the Islamist mind. This is a glimpse into the Islamist psyche. You see, his ilk refuse to recognize any national or cultural identity except for what they call the "Ummah Islamiah" which roughly means "The Nation of Islam". They see themselves as a political entity. They think they have the right and the duty to wipe out any trace of any culture or self-image other than their own.

Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at November 09, 2006 07:42 PM (vixLB)

6 Yeah, we really have to watch these guys or maybe they'll kill 650,000 of us. Sorry about bringing up that "insane" peer reviewed study backed up by nearly everyone who does that kind of research again.

Posted by: Professor von Nostrand at November 09, 2006 07:44 PM (Bwpq7)

7 Out of interest, Greg, Nostrand.... All other questions aside for one moment - are you actually supporting this vile little fellow and his barbaric sentiment? Or excusing it? If so, I invite you to watch some beheading videos. No cartoonist deserves that fate for plying his trade.

Posted by: Joe Public at November 09, 2006 08:34 PM (InP41)

8 "Peer reviewed study" does not equal "counting actual bodies."

What school do you teach at, Professor? Because I'll be keeping my children far from it.

Posted by: Vinnie at November 09, 2006 08:34 PM (/qy9A)

9 Iranian, get something straight. I am an American.

Posted by: Greg at November 09, 2006 08:44 PM (19GwZ)

10 Professor, you have no proof of such a thing, and the Lancet bullshit has already been debunked. You should have your ass fired. You are not qualified to be stealing the taxpayer's money, or perhaps you are a qualified thief. Do you ever feel guilty, or do you have a real conscience, not some Lefty bullshit you call moralism?

And you are also stupid, which should have prevented you ever being employed as a teacher, if in fact you are one. And your pronouncements are in fact boring and pretentious, and you project the image of an educated idiot with little or no common sense.

Other than this, I find you to be quite a nice fellow.

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 09, 2006 08:45 PM (8PoNP)

11 Nostrand - a little googling suggests that your figure of 650'000 is off the mark by orders of magnitude. However, even assuming that the total body-count even approaches that - how many of those have been killed by coalition forces? A goodly number - probably most - are the result of home-grown rivalries that have had the opportunity to flourish since Saddam was toppled. It's wrong, sad, and needlessly-wasteful - but the only reason it didn't happen before was because they were ruthlessly oppressed by a murderous despot. Are you really going to suggest that being ruled by a maniac is ultimately good for the people? At least, the way things are going, they have a slender shot at peaceful democracy, once they've gotten over the novelty of being able to freely kill each other.

Posted by: Joe Public at November 09, 2006 08:50 PM (InP41)

12 Joe Public,
This "Greg" guy is trying to pass for American. He ain't!
I'm not American either, but I don't lie about it.
In fact living in Canada and believing in the principle of "Love thy neighbour", I love the U.S. of A.

Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at November 09, 2006 08:55 PM (vixLB)

13 ...said the Iranian of an American.

Posted by: Greg at November 09, 2006 09:26 PM (19GwZ)

14 Greg, why the fuck are you so hung up on his nation of birth? No-one gets to choose that. Your choices come after - he's made his, and he's to be respected for them. But you clearly cannnot see that. Do I detect a little racism here, Greg?

Posted by: Joe Public at November 09, 2006 09:31 PM (InP41)

15 I'm hung up on my nation of birth, idiot. I don't let another American tell me I'm not American. I damn sure won't have some foreigner tell me. Especially not an Iranian SAVAK.

Posted by: Greg at November 09, 2006 09:39 PM (19GwZ)

16 Greg is a closet racist, who has dulusions of grandeur, confused about his sexuality, a trans-gender homosexual who hates himself. I know all this because he admitted it in a previous post. I feel sorry for him.

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 09, 2006 09:41 PM (8PoNP)

I suppose a few people have the right to call me an idiot... But you're not one of them. You're a confused, sad, worthless hypocrite - and not a terribly bright one, at that. You ramble on at length about how the poor ol' muslims are being needlessly denigrated - and then resort to racial epithets yourself. Pick your side - you don't get to have it both ways, little man.

Posted by: Joe Public at November 09, 2006 09:45 PM (InP41)

18 Is Iranian a racist word, is SAVAK? You suffer from a racist syndrome I had thought peculiar to Texas. It manifests itself when we whisper, "HE IS A mex-i-can", as if Mexican was a slur. Your PC bullshit reveals your own racism.

Posted by: Greg at November 09, 2006 10:00 PM (19GwZ)

19 Hi, Greg, been commenting anywhere lately?

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 09, 2006 10:10 PM (8PoNP)

20 Moon god worshipping prick. BTW, 650,000? I thought Saddam killed a lot more than that. But, it was the will of Allah.

Posted by: Leatherneck at November 09, 2006 10:13 PM (D2g/j)

21 No, 'Iranian' is not a racist term, in and of itself. When you bring it up every third word as a clusmily-veiled insult, it becomes such. It's you, Greg, who brought up the matter of his race - repeatedly. Not me. Explain why you feel it fitting to do so - whilst still retaining your lofty anti-racism ideals - or else shut the fuck up.

I'm sure you'll try to think of something. I predict it will be ill-informed, reactionary, and utterly devoid of merit. Whatever your excuse for an argument turns out to be, I shall kick the bottom out of it tomorrow - right now, you've bored me to the point that I need to go and get some sleep.

Posted by: Joe Public at November 09, 2006 10:14 PM (InP41)

22 The fact that this so-called "Greg" thinks of Islam as a "race" is very
much endemic to and characteristic of the Islamist mind.

No, Greg suffers from a Leftist mind. Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, is analyzed through a prism or race or class-- even if the subject is religion. That is the Leftist psyche.

If they admitted that maybe religion has something to do with it, and not race, then they'd have to face up to their own christophobia (which they aren't about to do anytime soon, or ever).

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 09, 2006 10:29 PM (8e/V4)

23 Yeah, we really have to watch these guys or maybe they'll kill 650,000 of us.

ROFLMAO!

Yeah, right.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 09, 2006 10:30 PM (8e/V4)

24 Liberals hate white people.

Posted by: dcb at November 09, 2006 10:38 PM (8e/V4)

25 Carlos, it looks like someone would have noticed all those bodies lying around. Even Hitler couldn't kill 'em that fast, but ChimpyMcHaliburton Bushitler is one efficient dude, at killing and disposing of bodies, if one were to believe the nutty Professor.

Let's just agree that the Nazi propagandists have clearly been upstaged by the liars of the Left. These leftists learned well from their kin. Hence you see them and Stormfront with the same ideas.

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 09, 2006 10:40 PM (8PoNP)

26 Well sherman let's set the way back machine to.... ooops no can do the Jawa archives are not working.
Can anyone remember when the Christian peacemakers were kidnapped and some Americans posting here were urging their captors to cut their heads off ?

Posted by: John Ryan at November 09, 2006 11:34 PM (TcoRJ)

I rest my case.

Posted by: Professor von Nostrand at November 09, 2006 11:35 PM (UiiiU)

28 A case of the dumb ass, eh, professor? Or is it your case of the 650,000 missing bodies? Damn, I truly believe someone would have noticed all those bodies lying around, professor. And the stench, I believe someone would have smelled something professor, or perhaps I smell a rat, a rat who is poisoning young minds and should be fired. That's what I smell. A lefty rat ruining the minds of young people at the taxpayer's expense. Now that should be a capital offense.

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 09, 2006 11:44 PM (8PoNP)

29 Can anyone remember when the Christian peacemakers were kidnapped and
some Americans posting here were urging their captors to cut their
heads off?

No, because that never happenned.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 10, 2006 12:09 AM (8e/V4)

30 Never happened is right.

Greg: All this time I thought it was you behind the sign. Sorry. Guess it was John Ryan.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 10, 2006 12:35 AM (iEtob)

31 Greg, you're not an American; you're a piece of shit quisling who loves
the enemies of his native country and you should be killed in the most
horrible, excruciatingly slow manner conceivable, while van nostril
gets to watch and contemplate his fate.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 10, 2006 07:56 AM (v3I+x)

32 JC,
I see your point and it goes to show that the "Pinko/commie psyche" and the "Islamist psyche" aren't all that different, which explains their willingness to become bedfellows --- and in Greg's case literally bedfellows!

Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at November 10, 2006 11:38 AM (vixLB)

33 7 Out of interest, Greg, Nostrand.... All other questions aside for one moment - are you actually supporting this vile little fellow and his barbaric sentiment? Or excusing it? If so, I invite you to watch some beheading videos. No cartoonist deserves that fate for plying his trade.

Posted by: Joe Public at November 09, 2006 08:34 PM

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Have you ever seen a little girl with her arms or legs (or both) blown off? People (ALL people) who murder other people deserve to be wiped out. That includes not only terrorists who behead their captives but leaders of nations who wage illegal war.

Let me ask you a serious question. Let's say the US is a small, third-world country with no real defenses. Somebody much bigger and badder invades us.

To what lengths would you go to protect your loved ones and your homeland? Keep in mind that in our war for independence we were the terrorists and we weren't wrong.

Posted by: CafeenMan at November 10, 2006 11:46 AM (eNwl1)

34 So, CafeenMan, using your logic, then three Christian schoolgirls in Indonesia deserved to have their heads cut off. Do you not see the difference? These men are saying kill those who insult Islam, not kill those who have illegally invaded Iraq. And in case you don't know, not being Muslim is an insult to Islam.

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 10, 2006 12:10 PM (8PoNP)

35 Any of you - Nostrand? Greg? Care to share your thoughts
about the post? No? Then quit trying to change the focus or
out right start with your finger pointing to avoid the issue.
This guy is a veritable scumbag and all you can do is call others
names. Your slience on the issue leaves us to infer many
things. Grow up, guys and quit the penny ante sniping. You
want to talk about death counts, do it on your own blog. Sorry if
the host hasn't conformed to your standards on what you want to hear at
any given moment.

Posted by: Oyster at November 10, 2006 12:15 PM (YudAC)

I thought I was pretty clear. Killing people in defense of yourself, family, country, etc. is acceptable. Murdering people isn't. NO, those girls did not deserve to be beheaded. How do you draw the conclusion that I think that's acceptable? The people who did it deserve to be kept alive just so that they can be tortured some more.

Posted by: CafeenMan at November 10, 2006 12:24 PM (eNwl1)

37 I would really like some honest answers to my question regarding to what extent you would be willing to go to protect your family and home and drive out invaders.

Would you kill their women and children if you thought it would make them lose the will to fight? Would you send people over with suitcase bombs to destroy their cities?

Are the nations people really innocent? They let that government be in charge and aren't stopping them. For example, in WWII the German population didn't stop Hitler. Are they innocent or accomplices? Are they fair targets then?

I'll go first. I don't think I would have the heart to kill anyone who wasn't trying to kill me face to face. But I would probably lose because I wasn't willing to do anything and everything including slaughtering their children even if that would make them give up.

Posted by: CafeenMan at November 10, 2006 01:01 PM (eNwl1)

38 cafee,

we should kill their men and have our way with their women, convert the survivors to christianity.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 10, 2006 01:12 PM (8e/V4)

39 Is that a serious answer?

Posted by: CafeenMan at November 10, 2006 01:45 PM (eNwl1)

40 Well, that's what the Spanish had to do to rid themselves of the scourge of Islam, CafeenMan.

But again, the guy holding the sign is not saying "behead those who illegally invaded Iraq". He doesn't care, he wants to advance the doctrine of Islam, he is not concerned with any particular country, or even the people of that country, or why would the largest single cause of deaths of Muslims in Iraq be other Muslims?

He is threatening to kill people who drew cartoons .....cartoons, mind you. Is that something to kill for?

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 10, 2006 02:27 PM (8PoNP)

41 Furthermore, his country wasn't invaded, so it's something of a moot point. He's British (according to his passport, if not his black little heart).

Posted by: Joe Public at November 10, 2006 03:46 PM (InP41)

42 Ah but Joe Public, that's eaxctly the problem. Muslims see
themselves as a separate and sovereign nation even if there is only one
of them in a sea of Christians or Buddhists.

Posted by: Oyster at November 10, 2006 05:16 PM (UeUAE)

43 Well, maybe this is just the liberal in me, but in my mind, a few wackos don't represent a whole group of people. I work in an emergency psych unit. Psychotics are often religiously pre-occupied and normally they are of the Christian faith. One guy started thrusting his arms at me and tried to cast me out. A lot of folks come in wanting anyone who isn't a christian to be killed. They don't actually represent the true christian faith do they?

I don't know much of anything about Islam and other than "knowing my enemy" I don't really care. Of the people I've heard talk about it the righties tend to claim that Islamists think all westerners should be killed. The Islamists say that isn't in their teachings and it a gross corruption of their faith. So who do I believe? I'm going to go with what I know having met a lot of people around the world and for the most part they're a lot like us. They work for a living, don't give two shits about other countries, don't really have a clue what they're government is doing and just want to be left alone to live their lives and raise their families.

We have the forces and weapons to defend ourselves if we need to. I think we should engage other countries economically, socially and sometimes politically but for the most part we should let them handle themselves and stay out of their business. If somebody is being wiped out by a superior force and they want our help then we should do that in some cases. But anybody who isn't already fighting their own battle will not be able to keep what we give them if we fight the battle for them.

Said another way, Iraqis allowed Saddam to come into power. If we kick him out and give them their country they'll just let it happen again. They didn't fight the battle and they haven't changed. The same conditions that let him take power in the first place will still exist and it will happen again until they're willing to do what it takes to change it.

Posted by: CafeenMan at November 11, 2006 02:41 AM (eNwl1)

44 Oh, and if you read about my time in Egypt you'll see that folks in that part of the world like to play the "offended" card fast and loose. It takes a lot to offend me. Being offended is a personal problem. If I'm offended then there's something wrong with me, not the person doing whatever I'm offended about. For example, one of your classier members here called me a "scum sucking piece of shit." I just read that post wondering what's wrong with him. His problem, not mine.

http://www.airfieldmodels.com/other/travels/egypt/index.htm

Posted by: CafeenMan at November 11, 2006 02:48 AM (eNwl1)

45 His problem - he forgot to hyphenate. Should've been 'scum-sucking'.

Posted by: Joe Public at November 11, 2006 07:57 AM (InP41)

46 "Let me ask you a serious question. Let's say the US is a small, third-world country with no real defenses. Somebody much bigger and badder invades us"

If we allowed a crazy blutal dictator like Saddam and even crazier sons to run our country and we posed a threat to other countries I would look forward to someone coming in and removing his ass. Especially since we didn't have the balls to do it years before. Of course we would need to all start killing each other and allow all sorts of foreign killers into our country to help us kill each other.

Piss poor analogy SSPOS.

Posted by: Max Power at November 11, 2006 10:40 AM (PM8kH)

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