November 26, 2006
Top Democrat: Troops Are Stupid
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The incoming Chairman of the powerful House Ways & Means Committee and a Deputy Majority Whip, Charlie Rangel (D-NY), reiterated the point that US troops are stupid today on Fox News Sunday.
Wow. He actually believes that. Or maybe it was just another botched joke? Right.
After putting up stats showing that US military recruits are less likely to be African Americans, come from poorer neigborhoods, or be high school dropouts, the question asked to Rangel was this: Isn't the volunteer Army better educated and more well to do than the general population?
Rangel answers:
Of course not. I want to make it abundantly clear: if there’s anyone who believes that these youngsters want to fight, as the Pentagon and some generals have said, you can just forget about it. No young, bright individual wants to fight just because of a bonus and just because of educational benefits. And most all of them come from communities of very, very high unemployment. If a young fella has an option of having a decent career or joining the army to fight in Iraq, you can bet your life that he would not be in Iraq.Hot Air has the video up.
My experience has been that returning soldiers are generally smarter and harder working than the average college student. By. A. Long. Shot.
It's not even close. If I had a chance to just teach returning Marines, soldiers, sailors, or airmen I'd do it in a heartbeat. They are that good.
Look, no one goes in to the military because it provides them with the opportunity to kill people. Yes, many join because it helps get them into college. But these aren't children. They know what they are getting into.
To think of them as anything other than fully competent adults is an insult to our men and women in uniform.
UPDATE: You want stats, we got stats! When we aim, we aim to please.
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Posted by: Randman at November 26, 2006 08:46 PM (Sal3J)
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at November 26, 2006 09:02 PM (8e/V4)
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Piddledicks hero. Shit! They even look alike.
Posted by: Greyrooster at November 26, 2006 09:51 PM (aghaS)
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That is beautiful. No mention of it on WaPo yet. I am still boycotting CNN so I don't know about them.
Posted by: SeeMonk at November 26, 2006 09:51 PM (n4VvM)
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Rusty what percentage of the undergrads that you teach are doing so under the G.I College Bill ?
Have you any figures on the national use by veterans ?
Have you any figures on the national use by veterans ?
Posted by: John Ryan at November 26, 2006 10:05 PM (TcoRJ)
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Maybe that is why he nominates so few people from his district. To go to a Federal Academy you need to be nominated by a Congressman in your State and Rangel (way back when) was my safety congressman in case mine did not nominate me.
So the Congressman has free education scholarships sitting in his pockets but is not informing his constituents about it. Instead he lets them enlist when some could be going to one of the academies. What a selfish bastard.
On the flip side, if he really feels like he does, he should refuse to nominate anyone to West Point. As should his fellow Democrat Congressman. That will show real support for our troops.
Typical Politician BS.
So the Congressman has free education scholarships sitting in his pockets but is not informing his constituents about it. Instead he lets them enlist when some could be going to one of the academies. What a selfish bastard.
On the flip side, if he really feels like he does, he should refuse to nominate anyone to West Point. As should his fellow Democrat Congressman. That will show real support for our troops.
Typical Politician BS.
Posted by: Fred Fry at November 26, 2006 10:19 PM (i6csM)
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So, soldiering is not a decent career anymore now?
I guess by this logic Generals Eisenhower, Patton and MacArthur never had decent careers then, is that right?
I guess by this logic Generals Eisenhower, Patton and MacArthur never had decent careers then, is that right?
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at November 26, 2006 10:53 PM (EdIIN)
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Rangel is a very stupid fellow who is stuck in his liberal mindset from the sixties, much like his stupid liberal colleague Jack 'decorated Vietnam veteran' Murtha, a stupid crook who actually believed we should withdraw from Iraq and station "offshore" in Okinawa, where the stupid Murtha believes they would be welcome.
Actually, the Okinawans want the US troops out of there and the Iraqis generally want us to stay. But Armed Services Cte. member Murtha doesn't know that.
Rangel is stuck on stupid and Murtha is on his flank getting busted by his Dem colleagues. The Dems are too smart to accept a stupid jerk like Murtha as House Majority Leader under Pelosi, who in turn was so stupid she chose Murtha over Hoyer. Lucky for the Dems, their average IQ is over two digits, unlike Rangel's and Murtha's.
Actually, the Okinawans want the US troops out of there and the Iraqis generally want us to stay. But Armed Services Cte. member Murtha doesn't know that.
Rangel is stuck on stupid and Murtha is on his flank getting busted by his Dem colleagues. The Dems are too smart to accept a stupid jerk like Murtha as House Majority Leader under Pelosi, who in turn was so stupid she chose Murtha over Hoyer. Lucky for the Dems, their average IQ is over two digits, unlike Rangel's and Murtha's.
Posted by: daveinboca at November 26, 2006 11:09 PM (z01Ds)
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I guess Rangel is unaware of the record reenlistment rates and multiple combat tour rates.
In my eye. He knows full well. As a high profile politician and Democrat icon, Rangel is a lying prick by nature and career choice.
This kind of contempt for soldiers serving in a combat zone isn't surprising. After all, he's Whiter than Hallie Berry, but he pretends to be Black to capitalize on the racial makeup of his constituents. It's in his best interests as a shameless whore to pander to the class warfare fanatics who benefit from government entitlement programs. Everybody knows who I'm talking about. The "disadvantaged" people whose kids are fatter than wealthy people.
The notion of a politician like Rangel making character judgements about soldiers or anyone else--including convicted felons and terrorists--is ludicrous. He and his ilk are parasites sucking the blood from Americans of all economic levels. Shit has more value.
There is a hint of truth to his claim, though. It explains why our colleges are infested with the dregs of our youth. The immoral twits and morons who make up a sizable proportion of the American student body in higher education are looking to land a "decent career." Most of our "young, bright individuals" seem to think that a military career is an honorable pursuit. They're definitely better educated and more successful than the average American. Hell, a quarter of the population is retarded. Just ask Puddlepuke's special needs teacher.
In my eye. He knows full well. As a high profile politician and Democrat icon, Rangel is a lying prick by nature and career choice.
This kind of contempt for soldiers serving in a combat zone isn't surprising. After all, he's Whiter than Hallie Berry, but he pretends to be Black to capitalize on the racial makeup of his constituents. It's in his best interests as a shameless whore to pander to the class warfare fanatics who benefit from government entitlement programs. Everybody knows who I'm talking about. The "disadvantaged" people whose kids are fatter than wealthy people.
The notion of a politician like Rangel making character judgements about soldiers or anyone else--including convicted felons and terrorists--is ludicrous. He and his ilk are parasites sucking the blood from Americans of all economic levels. Shit has more value.
There is a hint of truth to his claim, though. It explains why our colleges are infested with the dregs of our youth. The immoral twits and morons who make up a sizable proportion of the American student body in higher education are looking to land a "decent career." Most of our "young, bright individuals" seem to think that a military career is an honorable pursuit. They're definitely better educated and more successful than the average American. Hell, a quarter of the population is retarded. Just ask Puddlepuke's special needs teacher.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 26, 2006 11:27 PM (bLPT+)
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John Ryan you friggin idiot. It's now called the Marshall plan. The active duty participants must now contribute to the fund directly from their paychecks. Guess who was president when it was instituted. Hint. ( I never had sex with that woman)
Posted by: Greyrooster at November 26, 2006 11:43 PM (aghaS)
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You are all missing the point Rangel(spit) is crazy like a fox, ask yourself why would he Skerry, Murtha and others stupid crap like this? Well it is part of a plan that worked well for them in the Vietnam era here is how it goes. The vast majority of the military is committed to winning this war the re-enlistment rates in the combat zone prove this conclusively and the generals including the ones that are supposedly against it want to stay and finish the job however, the entire Dhimmi's party is on record as against the war so how do you go up against the military without committing political suicide? Well you discredit them thats how, this is just the beginning first convince average Americans that the average enlisted person is a moron and a victim next start attacking the Officers as cynical uncaring bastards that exploit peoples disadvantages to dupe them into enlisting and then send them to Iraq as useful dupes. At this point you can tell the American public not to listen to the troops and to view what the Officers are saying with heavy suspicion and you know better than the military what needs to be done. It is a very Machiavellian way to discredit the military.
Posted by: Oldcrow at November 27, 2006 12:43 AM (cesXn)
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How in the flying phuck would Rusty know that JRBS? Why in the hell would he know that you dipshit???
Posted by: Conrad Vig at November 27, 2006 12:45 AM (PM8kH)
Posted by: Hucbald at November 27, 2006 01:10 AM (V2jfq)
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I love it when lefturds come out and really show their allegience like
this; it just proves I'm right that they are with the enemy and should
all be killed.
this; it just proves I'm right that they are with the enemy and should
all be killed.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 27, 2006 07:34 AM (v3I+x)
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The new GI bill is called the montgomery bill/plan and it involves and allotment of a $100 a month of the first 12 months of your initial enlistment. After that you are fully vested in the program. Still is the best bang for your buck since a investment of $1200 is less than 1% of what you can reap if you use all of your GI benefits.
Posted by: DAT at November 27, 2006 08:34 AM (G3PpJ)
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Let's see now ......one of the following is "STUPID".
A. The troops? .............nope.
B. Congressman Charles Rangel........Yeah, man.
A. The troops? .............nope.
B. Congressman Charles Rangel........Yeah, man.
Posted by: n.a. palm at November 27, 2006 09:43 AM (Je/pU)
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Actually, oldcrow is right. I researched re-enlistment for the past few years, and the numbers are strong. However the reasons are not clear. There seems to be a debate over why, and it's hard to sort all that crap out. Some cite the re-enlistment bonus. Others contribute the reason that life insurance policy's payoffs have sky rocketed for the National Guard. ect. As I have said the reasons are cloudy, but it seems that incentives are a contributing factor.
I am not defending Rangels remarks, in fact I really don't like this man's approach. Some have enlisted for the educational advantage, which is a huge factor, but these young men and women are not dumb. They know what the risks are. The choice they make enlist and to stay are for a variety of reasons. I do believe their patriotism is the largest factor.
That being said, we owe to them to bring them home as quickly as possible.
I am not defending Rangels remarks, in fact I really don't like this man's approach. Some have enlisted for the educational advantage, which is a huge factor, but these young men and women are not dumb. They know what the risks are. The choice they make enlist and to stay are for a variety of reasons. I do believe their patriotism is the largest factor.
That being said, we owe to them to bring them home as quickly as possible.
Posted by: No Fear at November 27, 2006 09:52 AM (ZQepB)
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No Fear: "we owe to them to bring them home as quickly as possible. "
I think we owe them victory, first.
(Yeah, sure you did a whole lot of research... you have a left-wing agenda here, and you think your "even-handed" approach is disingenuous - a way to open the dialogue door so you can sell your wares - why not just admit it. Or better yet, think about what you are saying - why do we need to bring them home asap? have you even asked yourself this question? )
I think we owe them victory, first.
(Yeah, sure you did a whole lot of research... you have a left-wing agenda here, and you think your "even-handed" approach is disingenuous - a way to open the dialogue door so you can sell your wares - why not just admit it. Or better yet, think about what you are saying - why do we need to bring them home asap? have you even asked yourself this question? )
Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at November 27, 2006 10:27 AM (2bJJN)
Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at November 27, 2006 10:47 AM (2bJJN)
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http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,116567,00.hthttp://stats.bls.gov/opub/ted/2006/feb/wk4/art01.htmml
http://usmilitary.about.com/About_US_Military.htm
Happy now herotic?
I can provide more if you like.
There can be no victory. We are mired down. Just like Nam. Other than genocide, what's you plan?
http://usmilitary.about.com/About_US_Military.htm
Happy now herotic?
I can provide more if you like.
There can be no victory. We are mired down. Just like Nam. Other than genocide, what's you plan?
Posted by: No Fear at November 27, 2006 10:53 AM (ZQepB)
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Disingenuous?
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Why do you say that? In what way. My feelings and opinions are just as valid as yours. We simply disagree.
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Why do you say that? In what way. My feelings and opinions are just as valid as yours. We simply disagree.
Posted by: No Fear at November 27, 2006 10:56 AM (ZQepB)
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why do we need to bring them home asap?
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I've answered that. We can't win, we can't break even, time to get out of the game. Anything less is unexceptable.
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I've answered that. We can't win, we can't break even, time to get out of the game. Anything less is unexceptable.
Posted by: No Fear at November 27, 2006 11:01 AM (ZQepB)
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I want to apoligize, Heroic, "herotic", that's wrong.
Lots of name calling this weekend you weren't a part of... it gets to be a habit...it was uncalled for and I'm sorry.
Lots of name calling this weekend you weren't a part of... it gets to be a habit...it was uncalled for and I'm sorry.
Posted by: No Fear at November 27, 2006 11:05 AM (ZQepB)
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Careful HD, or NF will have her imaginary son fire off an angry email to you. No Fear explains her whole philosophy in her last sentence: "We can't win..." - forget the fact that Operation Iraqi Freedom's commanders have succeeded so well at conservation of force that our troops the Iraq theater of the War on Terror have suffereed historically low casualties; she may be right, but not in the way she thinks. It may be that we can't win because there are too many stupid cowards like No Fear who think that "Fortress America" is the way to go.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 27, 2006 11:07 AM (vBK4C)
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Yes, my imaginary son again...kindly move on and stay on topic. That was Rangels remarks. I was addressing Old crows remarks, suporrting them actually. Disagreeing as to the reason we should stay.
Heroic dreamer can make his own arguement and doesn't need to be protected by you from me.
Give your guys some credit to defend their own statements. Or are they stupid?
Heroic dreamer can make his own arguement and doesn't need to be protected by you from me.
Give your guys some credit to defend their own statements. Or are they stupid?
Posted by: No Fear at November 27, 2006 11:17 AM (ZQepB)
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No Fear: "We can't win, we can't break even....My feelings and opinions are just as valid as yours."
Your opinions are based on your feelings and this is the problem. We are fighting a war - facts are relevant, your feelings are not.
Did you have a dream or something about how the war was unwinnable? Boo hoo if your opinions are wrong, if your feelings are hurt...boo hoo hoo.
Do you know the difference between objective and subjective? Objective is when someone socks you in the nose and your nose bleeds. Objective reality.
Subjective is when you think that if you turn the other cheek -- if you close your eyes and wish on a star -- you can save your nose from bleeding. Because you're not yet bleeding you think you will never bleed, if only you keep your head turned. You don't want to bleed, so you won't. You refuse to acknowledge the fist headed your way. Subjective reality.
Your opinions are based on your feelings and this is the problem. We are fighting a war - facts are relevant, your feelings are not.
Did you have a dream or something about how the war was unwinnable? Boo hoo if your opinions are wrong, if your feelings are hurt...boo hoo hoo.
Do you know the difference between objective and subjective? Objective is when someone socks you in the nose and your nose bleeds. Objective reality.
Subjective is when you think that if you turn the other cheek -- if you close your eyes and wish on a star -- you can save your nose from bleeding. Because you're not yet bleeding you think you will never bleed, if only you keep your head turned. You don't want to bleed, so you won't. You refuse to acknowledge the fist headed your way. Subjective reality.
Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at November 27, 2006 11:24 AM (2bJJN)
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No NF, you're stupid if you think you get to tell me what to post here. Very few people here take kindly to people, such as yourself, who are willing to be useful idiots for the Jihad.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 27, 2006 11:27 AM (vBK4C)
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Just following the rules you gave me sir...stay on topic, cite what your responding to. Be respectful, polite. You took me to task. I am abbing by your rules and expecting you to do the same.
Or do they change in the middle of the game...I didn't get the memo on that. Please keep me up to date.
This is your house and I don't wish to shit where you eat. Or is that too graphic for you?
Or do they change in the middle of the game...I didn't get the memo on that. Please keep me up to date.
This is your house and I don't wish to shit where you eat. Or is that too graphic for you?
Posted by: No Fear at November 27, 2006 11:32 AM (ZQepB)
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I was responding to Oldcrow. I supported him. I say we can't win. You say we can. Tell me how.
Posted by: No Fear at November 27, 2006 11:34 AM (ZQepB)
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And by your own admission you are the "Dreamer" not I.
Posted by: No Fear at November 27, 2006 11:35 AM (ZQepB)
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Posted by: No Fear at November 27, 2006 09:52 AM
No Fear,
I am Active duty military I know why re-enlistments in theater are at historical highs I don't need research to tell me. I have one tour in Iraq and volunteered for a second however medical stopped me I will get another chance in about a year if the DOC's clear me anyway the reason is because we believe in the mission and those who have been there know we are winning. Let me ask you this how exactly are we losing in Iraq by what measure is it a failure? On what do you base this statement? Casualties maybe? Well between 1997 and 2000 active duty military deaths were 2337 now note this was during peacetime operations. The terrorists have not stopped us from achieving any of our strategic goals, the Iraq campaign is a three step process they are as follows:
1. Depose Saddam's regime - DONE
2. Get a Democratically elected Government in place- Done, three elections that the terrost's were completely powerless to stop.
3. Stand up police and defense forces so the Iraqi Government can defend itself - In progress and getting closer to completion everyday.
The terrorists suffer catastrophic losses everytime they fight us I believe the kill ratio right now is around 120 terrorists to every American loss. So tell me exactly how are we "losing". The only part of this war we are losing is the Information War thanks to our MSM and the Dhimmicrap party. Stop drinking the Dhimmi koolaid NoFear and get the reals facts.
Posted by: No Fear at November 27, 2006 09:52 AM
No Fear,
I am Active duty military I know why re-enlistments in theater are at historical highs I don't need research to tell me. I have one tour in Iraq and volunteered for a second however medical stopped me I will get another chance in about a year if the DOC's clear me anyway the reason is because we believe in the mission and those who have been there know we are winning. Let me ask you this how exactly are we losing in Iraq by what measure is it a failure? On what do you base this statement? Casualties maybe? Well between 1997 and 2000 active duty military deaths were 2337 now note this was during peacetime operations. The terrorists have not stopped us from achieving any of our strategic goals, the Iraq campaign is a three step process they are as follows:
1. Depose Saddam's regime - DONE
2. Get a Democratically elected Government in place- Done, three elections that the terrost's were completely powerless to stop.
3. Stand up police and defense forces so the Iraqi Government can defend itself - In progress and getting closer to completion everyday.
The terrorists suffer catastrophic losses everytime they fight us I believe the kill ratio right now is around 120 terrorists to every American loss. So tell me exactly how are we "losing". The only part of this war we are losing is the Information War thanks to our MSM and the Dhimmicrap party. Stop drinking the Dhimmi koolaid NoFear and get the reals facts.
Posted by: Oldcrow at November 27, 2006 11:37 AM (cesXn)
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"To think of them as anything other than fully competent adults is an insult to our men and women in uniform."
And the reason states don't let these "fully competent individuals" drink alchol, even though they are technically adults, but not emotionally adult, is because they are also extremely immature at that age. Why don't you think states allow them to drink? I'd love to hear your answer to that one . . .
And the reason states don't let these "fully competent individuals" drink alchol, even though they are technically adults, but not emotionally adult, is because they are also extremely immature at that age. Why don't you think states allow them to drink? I'd love to hear your answer to that one . . .
Posted by: barfly at November 27, 2006 11:51 AM (y6aaW)
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No Fear: We win by denying Iraq as a staging area for terrorists and by having moved the battlefield from Manhattan to the Middle East. We win by allowing tens of thousands of jihadis to meet Allah there. We won by getting rid of Saddam, who even the NYT has finally admitted was only a year away from an atomic bomb.
As a veteran of this conflict, I've been trying to tell this to people I have come in contact since I left theatre...the MSM is FOS (full of, um....feces) We, the U.S., have had approximately 140k-150k soldiers in theatre per year. So, since 2003 there have been approximately 450k troops in theatre which means less than a 1% death rate, assuming we are at 3k now(Granted, I was just a lowly Sergeant, but I can't think of any General that wouldn't love to have such a low death rate). Now the KEYWORD here is theatre. Theatre includes Kuwait. So those that happen to die for whatever reason, be it HMMWV accident, dehydration, people who have died that never set foot in Iraq, or some other freak accident are counted among the dead for OIF. While the death toll has nothing to do with this story directly it does show the purposeful intellectual dishonesty engaged by the MSM everyday. Why verify things if it makes the U.S. look bad? Why take the time to discern between a KIA and a death? Why ignore intellegence reports that show the "insurgents" have used cyclosarin gas in some of their IEDs? Why say Saddam had no WMDs when, between the U.S. and Poland, have found over 800 mortor rounds? Why not report on the still missing 3k liters of Anthrax? I don't know. Maybe if I was as smart as Kerry or Rangel I'd have the answers. I don't know how my civilian couterparts feel, but it is so infuriating having traitors amongst our midst who hide behind the first amendment. /rant off.
This is from one of the people that Lurch and Rump Rangel consider stupid.
A mother who won't even defend her son from an asshole like Rangel is simply pathetic.
I'll let OIFveteran, who has been there, and made this comment to a post I made at NewsBusters about the unconfirmed mosque burnings, explain to you why your feelings and opinions are so unpopular with people who care deeply about their country:
As a veteran of this conflict, I've been trying to tell this to people I have come in contact since I left theatre...the MSM is FOS (full of, um....feces) We, the U.S., have had approximately 140k-150k soldiers in theatre per year. So, since 2003 there have been approximately 450k troops in theatre which means less than a 1% death rate, assuming we are at 3k now(Granted, I was just a lowly Sergeant, but I can't think of any General that wouldn't love to have such a low death rate). Now the KEYWORD here is theatre. Theatre includes Kuwait. So those that happen to die for whatever reason, be it HMMWV accident, dehydration, people who have died that never set foot in Iraq, or some other freak accident are counted among the dead for OIF. While the death toll has nothing to do with this story directly it does show the purposeful intellectual dishonesty engaged by the MSM everyday. Why verify things if it makes the U.S. look bad? Why take the time to discern between a KIA and a death? Why ignore intellegence reports that show the "insurgents" have used cyclosarin gas in some of their IEDs? Why say Saddam had no WMDs when, between the U.S. and Poland, have found over 800 mortor rounds? Why not report on the still missing 3k liters of Anthrax? I don't know. Maybe if I was as smart as Kerry or Rangel I'd have the answers. I don't know how my civilian couterparts feel, but it is so infuriating having traitors amongst our midst who hide behind the first amendment. /rant off.
This is from one of the people that Lurch and Rump Rangel consider stupid.
A mother who won't even defend her son from an asshole like Rangel is simply pathetic.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 27, 2006 11:53 AM (vBK4C)
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Oldcrow,
If we have accomplished so much, why the esculation of violence, which by the admission of this site's threads does exist
.
AND Stand up police and defense forces so the Iraqi Government can defend itself - In progress and getting closer to completion everyday.
Then they can take care of their own problems, which is more than we did in Nam. so "Mother May I" let our troops come home.
If we have accomplished so much, why the esculation of violence, which by the admission of this site's threads does exist
.
AND Stand up police and defense forces so the Iraqi Government can defend itself - In progress and getting closer to completion everyday.
Then they can take care of their own problems, which is more than we did in Nam. so "Mother May I" let our troops come home.
Posted by: No Fear at November 27, 2006 11:53 AM (ZQepB)
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 27, 2006 11:58 AM (bLPT+)
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One reason for the continued violence is that al Qaeda and other terrorist groups monitor our media and are encouraged by the politically motivated undermining of our President and troops.
That means that people like you No Fear, are directly responsible for their decisions to commit atrocities in order to stampede us. When they stage a new head-lopping, you are their audience. Does it make you feel good to know that you are having this effect; that more Americans and Iraqis have had to die in order for your party to regain power?
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 27, 2006 12:00 PM (vBK4C)
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Bluto, you make a very good arguement and I'l research all your points.
I admit I am not up to speed on alot of what you have to say.
HOWEVER...
A mother who won't even defend her son from an asshole like Rangel is simply pathetic.
I did not defend Rangel from my imaginary son. What I said was..."I am not defending Rangels remarks, in fact I really don't like this man's approach."
But to be fair I will look at your talking points in you post. Despite what you think I really do want to know what the truth is.
I admit I am not up to speed on alot of what you have to say.
HOWEVER...
A mother who won't even defend her son from an asshole like Rangel is simply pathetic.
I did not defend Rangel from my imaginary son. What I said was..."I am not defending Rangels remarks, in fact I really don't like this man's approach."
But to be fair I will look at your talking points in you post. Despite what you think I really do want to know what the truth is.
Posted by: No Fear at November 27, 2006 12:01 PM (ZQepB)
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My responce is in yours #32
Posted by: No Fear at November 27, 2006 12:02 PM (ZQepB)
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It's not really my post. The meat comes from a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom. I have family and friends still serving there, so I'm not real big on people whose politics encourages the jihadis to kill them. Perhaps you've noticed.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 27, 2006 12:03 PM (vBK4C)
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The escalation of violence against whom? The Iraqi civilian populace, these are referred to in the military as soft targets and the only thing it accomplishes is getting splashed all over the nightly news and fools like you see it and think it actually means anything in the strategic or tactical picture IT DOES NOT. You did not answer a single one of my questions which is what I expected. So you base all your statements on "feelings" not facts and objective logic/reasoning typical anti-war Libtard crap. So once again I ask you by what measure are we "losing" in Iraq? And bear in mind the city of NY and LA have more civilian deaths per month than all of Iraq.
Posted by: Oldcrow at November 27, 2006 12:04 PM (cesXn)
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35 One reason for the continued violence is that al Qaeda and other terrorist groups monitor our media and are encouraged by the politically motivated undermining of our President and troops.
That means that people like you No Fear, are directly responsible for their decisions to commit atrocities in order to stampede us. When they stage a new head-lopping, you are their audience. Does it make you feel good to know that you are having this effect; that more Americans and Iraqis have had to die in order for your party to regain power?
How in the world am I to respond to that? When you have a sane arguement to make, let me know. Ok?
Do me and the rest of the people watching your car wreck. Go from A to B and explain that. In detail. Please.
That means that people like you No Fear, are directly responsible for their decisions to commit atrocities in order to stampede us. When they stage a new head-lopping, you are their audience. Does it make you feel good to know that you are having this effect; that more Americans and Iraqis have had to die in order for your party to regain power?
How in the world am I to respond to that? When you have a sane arguement to make, let me know. Ok?
Do me and the rest of the people watching your car wreck. Go from A to B and explain that. In detail. Please.
Posted by: No Fear at November 27, 2006 12:11 PM (ZQepB)
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Oldcrow just did.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 27, 2006 12:15 PM (vBK4C)
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38 It's not really my post. The meat comes from a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom. I have family and friends still serving there, so I'm not real big on people whose politics encourages the jihadis to kill them. Perhaps you've noticed
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I understand your feelings, and the intolerence that can come from that. My imaginary son has friends in hot spots.
Dread, hate does not begat peace.
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I understand your feelings, and the intolerence that can come from that. My imaginary son has friends in hot spots.
Dread, hate does not begat peace.
Posted by: No Fear at November 27, 2006 12:17 PM (ZQepB)
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I have said I'll look into these talking points, I do want to know what is true. Why would I come come here and subject myself to all this hatred of me if not to learn the truth?
To covert you, I am not delusional. If I stay on my liberal web site, I get yeah sayers from the choir, the news is confusing, give me an agruement. Let me find out if what you say is true. I want to know the truth.
Why...my imaginary son, is why. He's smart, a computor geek. Which is why he's in Germany. But suppose someother kid comes along...smarter, bigger, faster...more. My son is sent to a hot spot. If that happens I want to know why.
KNOW YOU KNOW.
To covert you, I am not delusional. If I stay on my liberal web site, I get yeah sayers from the choir, the news is confusing, give me an agruement. Let me find out if what you say is true. I want to know the truth.
Why...my imaginary son, is why. He's smart, a computor geek. Which is why he's in Germany. But suppose someother kid comes along...smarter, bigger, faster...more. My son is sent to a hot spot. If that happens I want to know why.
KNOW YOU KNOW.
Posted by: No Fear at November 27, 2006 12:26 PM (ZQepB)
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or now you know...sorry my brain is way ahead of my fingers sometimes. <sigh> <blushes>
Posted by: No Fear at November 27, 2006 12:27 PM (ZQepB)
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No Fear:
What are "we" losing in Iraq, and how are we losing it?
Spare us the Cindy She-hag routine about your imaginary son. If he's in the Army, he's a grown man and doesn't need his mommy's protection. If he is in the Army, he should be prepared to fight whichever enemy he's directed to fight, regardless of what his dhimmie mommy thinks. That's what it means to be a soldier.
What are we losing, and how was "Nam" a quagmire, you ignoramus?
What are "we" losing in Iraq, and how are we losing it?
Spare us the Cindy She-hag routine about your imaginary son. If he's in the Army, he's a grown man and doesn't need his mommy's protection. If he is in the Army, he should be prepared to fight whichever enemy he's directed to fight, regardless of what his dhimmie mommy thinks. That's what it means to be a soldier.
What are we losing, and how was "Nam" a quagmire, you ignoramus?
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 27, 2006 12:34 PM (bLPT+)
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Jeff, thank you so much for you heart felt understanding. If I live to be one hundred and twenty, he will still be my child. Which is why I want to understand why my son, my child,. that soldier who is a grown man may have to die.
What are we losing, and how was "Nam" a quagmire, you ignoramus?
Yor're not serious. I'm ignorant? That statement alone dismisses any other arguement you may make. How old are you anyway. I lived thru that war. You sir are ...to be polite...misinformed.
What are we losing, and how was "Nam" a quagmire, you ignoramus?
Yor're not serious. I'm ignorant? That statement alone dismisses any other arguement you may make. How old are you anyway. I lived thru that war. You sir are ...to be polite...misinformed.
Posted by: No Fear at November 27, 2006 12:42 PM (ZQepB)
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"Dread, hate does not begat [sic] peace."
Yes, I suppose the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were done so in a loving spirit of peace. And every one of the vicious jihadi babyhunters who have died in Iraq were killed with love.
Kindly excuse me from your headlong rush to national/cultural suicide.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 27, 2006 12:46 PM (vBK4C)
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You may have lived through that war, as I did (the draft ended the year I turned eighteen), but you swallowed everything the media told you whole, without questioning a thing. If you had you would know that a) Tet was a crushing defeat for the VC, who were never able to mount an assault above company strength after their losses b) when Congress abandoned the South Vietnamese by cutting off funding (most of our soldiers were already home) they were left to face a Soviet-backed invasion, using more armor than the Wehrmacht sent into Poland, with three rounds per soldier, while their medics washed bandages for re-use c) that abandonment resulted in a monumental bloodletting that the US media refuse to acknowledge to this day, and, worst of all, d) the betrayal of American troops by significant numbers of the American population for the purpose of political gain crippled our military for decades.
That's how Iraq is just like Vietnam - an incompetent, and in many cases, treasonous Press either gets it wrong, or deliberately misreports events in order to support their political allies.
And the treason isn't only a thing of the Vietnam era; tell me, are you happy that the New York Times published an illustrated guide for the jihadis explaining to them exactly where all the weak spots in American body armor are? Or that they have worked tirelessly to expose classified government programs that had resulted in the thwarting of multiple terrorist plots?
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 27, 2006 12:56 PM (vBK4C)
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Dread that is not what I meant and you know that., come on. I am not impling you endorse genocide. In fact I know that you do not. This is such a complicted subject.
I wich you would thread each individual agruement, instead of lumping it all together.
Not to bury my nose to far up your ass, your smart enought to do just that. Break it down.
I wich you would thread each individual agruement, instead of lumping it all together.
Not to bury my nose to far up your ass, your smart enought to do just that. Break it down.
Posted by: No Fear at November 27, 2006 01:00 PM (ZQepB)
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I took you at your word. You stated clearly the old saw that "violence doesn't solve anything." It does. The atomic bombs saved more Japanese lives than American ones. What do you think would have happened if the US had had to invade Japan from Okinawa?
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 27, 2006 01:04 PM (vBK4C)
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Dread,
I have another commitment and have to go. I would like to continue this at another time.
I would lie to thank you for not letting this discussion degrade like it did on another thread. Thank you for the debate, I wish I could stay to see it thru.
As much as it shocks me to say, for the most part you have been a gentleman. Thank you for the time you have taken explaining you point of view. And that goes to, well , most of the rest of you.
I have another commitment and have to go. I would like to continue this at another time.
I would lie to thank you for not letting this discussion degrade like it did on another thread. Thank you for the debate, I wish I could stay to see it thru.
As much as it shocks me to say, for the most part you have been a gentleman. Thank you for the time you have taken explaining you point of view. And that goes to, well , most of the rest of you.
Posted by: No Fear at November 27, 2006 01:09 PM (ZQepB)
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that was not lie, , shit that was like....sorry... again...
Posted by: No Fear at November 27, 2006 01:11 PM (ZQepB)
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DAT: What you say is true in regards to the montgomery bill. My take (1) Why should they be required to pay the $1200? (2) Why should they be required to pay it immediately when they make nearly nothing as an E-1? (3) Why can't those who see the value of an education 2 yrs after they enlist participate in the program? The reality is the Marshall plan is merely a hoax to have less ex military involved thereby subpossedly saving money.
Posted by: Greyrooster at November 27, 2006 01:50 PM (aghaS)
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No Fear is a latent hippy bitch. I remember them well.
Posted by: Greyrooster at November 27, 2006 01:53 PM (aghaS)
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I came here expecting the layout Puddlefuck with a Jerry Springerisque volley of chairs, and the retard is no where to be found.
No Fear, take the scared mommy out of your speach pattern and see what
happens. Re-enlistments are at all time highs because these troops
believe in what they are doing, unlike you and the Liberal agenda.
Now, just so you won't have to bother in looking it up, I've done it for you.
pride [prahyd] –noun
1.a
high or inordinate opinion of one's own dignity, importance, merit, or
superiority, whether as cherished in the mind or as displayed in
bearing, conduct, etc.
2.the state or feeling of being proud.
3.a becoming or dignified sense of what is due to oneself or one's position or character; self-respect; self-esteem.
4.pleasure or satisfaction taken in something done by or belonging to oneself or believed to reflect credit upon oneself: civic pride.
The troops are cheating you see.
They're using something Liberals can't quite possibly ever understand.
No Fear, take the scared mommy out of your speach pattern and see what
happens. Re-enlistments are at all time highs because these troops
believe in what they are doing, unlike you and the Liberal agenda.
Now, just so you won't have to bother in looking it up, I've done it for you.
pride [prahyd] –noun
1.a
high or inordinate opinion of one's own dignity, importance, merit, or
superiority, whether as cherished in the mind or as displayed in
bearing, conduct, etc.
2.the state or feeling of being proud.
3.a becoming or dignified sense of what is due to oneself or one's position or character; self-respect; self-esteem.
4.pleasure or satisfaction taken in something done by or belonging to oneself or believed to reflect credit upon oneself: civic pride.
The troops are cheating you see.
They're using something Liberals can't quite possibly ever understand.
Posted by: Dick at November 27, 2006 02:26 PM (XlQVK)
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Only a real idiot would join of donate to the demacratic party the party of the brainless donkey
Posted by: sandpiper at November 27, 2006 03:42 PM (mi9uJ)
Posted by: Jane at November 27, 2006 03:49 PM (SCVhh)
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Cindy Sheehan:
Your son (if he actually exists,) is not a child. He's a man. Using wildly inaccurate terms like "child" and "quagmire" doesn't change the facts, although you left-wingers think if you try often enough, they will. "A lie told often enough becomes the truth," right?
Your son may have to die because he's a soldier. The American military was formed to fight, not to stay in America and build levees for ingrates.
You cant answer 2 simple questions, can you? Not simple enough, apparently.
Your son (if he actually exists,) is not a child. He's a man. Using wildly inaccurate terms like "child" and "quagmire" doesn't change the facts, although you left-wingers think if you try often enough, they will. "A lie told often enough becomes the truth," right?
Your son may have to die because he's a soldier. The American military was formed to fight, not to stay in America and build levees for ingrates.
You cant answer 2 simple questions, can you? Not simple enough, apparently.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 27, 2006 04:21 PM (bLPT+)
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No Fear: "If I stay on my liberal web site, I get yeah sayers from the choir, the
news is confusing, give me an agruement. Let me find out if what you
say is true. I want to know the truth."
Hahahahah. You are really funny. I don't believe a word you say. You need to come to the Jawa Report comment page to discover the truth?? Stop pretending to be an impartial visitor and then pretending to be - yet again - hurt and offended.
It's not OK to put America in harm's way by being a useful idiot. You are not patriotic enough to instinctually know any better, and you have a lazy, self-indulgent mind.
It's not OK. Get with the program, you nitwit.
news is confusing, give me an agruement. Let me find out if what you
say is true. I want to know the truth."
Hahahahah. You are really funny. I don't believe a word you say. You need to come to the Jawa Report comment page to discover the truth?? Stop pretending to be an impartial visitor and then pretending to be - yet again - hurt and offended.
It's not OK to put America in harm's way by being a useful idiot. You are not patriotic enough to instinctually know any better, and you have a lazy, self-indulgent mind.
It's not OK. Get with the program, you nitwit.
Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at November 27, 2006 04:53 PM (2bJJN)
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Well at least we aren't seeing the same calls for hanging all Democrats that we were reading in the comments 6 months or a year ago. I take that as a fact that our country is becoming more unified.
Posted by: John Ryan at November 27, 2006 05:19 PM (TcoRJ)
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John Ryan: You islamoturd. Once again you're not reading correctly. The hanging still stands. I hear No Fear looks like a goat. Make you horny?
Posted by: Greyrooster at November 27, 2006 05:31 PM (aghaS)
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Statistics. Well I guess you can prove almost anything by them.
The part about the 2 income family earning a total of 30k a year and being included "middle class" seemed a bit of a stretch. If is 2 people at $7.50 per hour equals middle class life, I guess ALL Americans will be middle class after the minimum wage increases !
The part about the 2 income family earning a total of 30k a year and being included "middle class" seemed a bit of a stretch. If is 2 people at $7.50 per hour equals middle class life, I guess ALL Americans will be middle class after the minimum wage increases !
Posted by: John Ryan at November 27, 2006 05:33 PM (TcoRJ)
Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at November 27, 2006 05:40 PM (2bJJN)
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John Lyin:
Yes, the Dhimmicrats are uniting people. They're uniting the jihadis and other enemies of America, as well as giving them hope.
No doubt Plastic Pelosi's nomination of crooks like Murtha and whatsisname to key congressional positions was meant to unite the country. The planned witch hunts will be a big uniter as well.
You leftists can never admit that it's your hatred of America and it's culture that divides this country. You hatemongers will never work to unite people. You'll continue with divisive policies like class warfare, Affirmative Action, special privileges for homosexuals, opposition to any military action and the jihad against Christianity.
Yeah, you guys are real uniters.
Yes, the Dhimmicrats are uniting people. They're uniting the jihadis and other enemies of America, as well as giving them hope.
No doubt Plastic Pelosi's nomination of crooks like Murtha and whatsisname to key congressional positions was meant to unite the country. The planned witch hunts will be a big uniter as well.
You leftists can never admit that it's your hatred of America and it's culture that divides this country. You hatemongers will never work to unite people. You'll continue with divisive policies like class warfare, Affirmative Action, special privileges for homosexuals, opposition to any military action and the jihad against Christianity.
Yeah, you guys are real uniters.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 27, 2006 05:55 PM (bLPT+)
Posted by: shemales pictures at November 27, 2006 06:46 PM (eD8TF)
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TRUE STORY:
In the middle of a firefight with the Taliban, one Canadian soldier bellows out, "Where do you want your well?"
In the middle of a firefight with the Taliban, one Canadian soldier bellows out, "Where do you want your well?"
Posted by: DemocracyRules at November 27, 2006 08:07 PM (+WNUd)
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John Ryan is probably one of those making $7.50 per hr. If his boyfriend also makes $7.50 per hr that means they are almost middle class. Not so John Ryan you're still low class. Class isn't defined by money. Myself, to the lady who is mother of the boy I fired last Saturday. I'm trying to remember what she called me. Oh yea. "White trash with money". Which may be true since I fired her son for repeatedly using the MF word around the young ladies working the counter. Last year a local politican referred to me as a "certain classless redneck with a checkbook bigger than my brain". I should say ex-politician. Last I heard, he was attempting to sell swimming pools in New Orleans. So John Ryan, according to some, money has nothing to do with class. Regradless of how much you earn, you're still a classless socialist idiot.
Posted by: Greyrooster at November 27, 2006 09:01 PM (aghaS)
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Of course troops are stupid, stupid!
Us Israeli;s are among the dumbest in the world ocz our triups has to serve 4 3 yers in the IDF.
Tats why our IT industry is wun of th bestest in th werld - cos all the top engynirs in Israyl is traind by the IDF wen they serve ther cuntry.
MORON!
Us Israeli;s are among the dumbest in the world ocz our triups has to serve 4 3 yers in the IDF.
Tats why our IT industry is wun of th bestest in th werld - cos all the top engynirs in Israyl is traind by the IDF wen they serve ther cuntry.
MORON!
Posted by: Russel at November 28, 2006 04:19 AM (Aiq1f)
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"No Fear: "We can't win, we can't break even....My feelings and opinions are just as valid as yours.""
No Fear's feelings and opinions are as valid as President Moron's delusions.
We will "win" in Iraq, only after the definition of "victory" has been changed to reflect the reality of what the end game will be.
This is where President Moron and his speechwriters really shine.
He can't change the reality, but he can sure change the rhetoric.
We don't hear much about leaving Iraq with a democracy, anymore.
Now, the fantasy is to leave Iraq with a stable government.
When was the last time Iraq had a stable government....hmmmmm?
No Fear's feelings and opinions are as valid as President Moron's delusions.
We will "win" in Iraq, only after the definition of "victory" has been changed to reflect the reality of what the end game will be.
This is where President Moron and his speechwriters really shine.
He can't change the reality, but he can sure change the rhetoric.
We don't hear much about leaving Iraq with a democracy, anymore.
Now, the fantasy is to leave Iraq with a stable government.
When was the last time Iraq had a stable government....hmmmmm?
Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 28, 2006 07:42 AM (R53xI)
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I wasn't going to post on this thread, but since Dick and Greyrooster missed me, I had to come here.
After reading some of your posts, my wife thinks you guys don't like me.
I had to explain it to her.
You see, honey, these guys are suffering from PEDS (post election depression syndrome) and some are even suicidal.
Remember how, in 2000, some Democrats said they would move to Canada or France, if Bush won the election?
Well, it's happening to the Republicans, this time around.
They are talking about suicide, rather than staying and watching their wives and daughters raped and murdered by the hoards of muslims, that will follow our soldiers back here from Iraq, as a result of the Democrat victory in congress.
Those that don't commit suicide are threatening to move to the mountains, living in a cave with their stockpile of food, guns and ammo.
So, I just come here to give them a little hope for their sorry ass lives.
So far, it seems to be working.
Just, as President Moron has prevented all terrorist attacks, on American soil, since 9/11, I have been keeping the conservatives safe, at MyPetJawa, since I have been posting here.
None, that I know of, has committed suicide and none, that I know of, has moved to the mountains (although some may still be considering it), since I have been posting here.
So, honey, you see, I'm doing my part for the undeserving Republicans of this world.
They only seem to be insulting me and the other liberals posting on this site.
Their insults are merely a cry for help, and I'm just doing my part, to try to relieve their suffering.
After reading some of your posts, my wife thinks you guys don't like me.
I had to explain it to her.
You see, honey, these guys are suffering from PEDS (post election depression syndrome) and some are even suicidal.
Remember how, in 2000, some Democrats said they would move to Canada or France, if Bush won the election?
Well, it's happening to the Republicans, this time around.
They are talking about suicide, rather than staying and watching their wives and daughters raped and murdered by the hoards of muslims, that will follow our soldiers back here from Iraq, as a result of the Democrat victory in congress.
Those that don't commit suicide are threatening to move to the mountains, living in a cave with their stockpile of food, guns and ammo.
So, I just come here to give them a little hope for their sorry ass lives.
So far, it seems to be working.
Just, as President Moron has prevented all terrorist attacks, on American soil, since 9/11, I have been keeping the conservatives safe, at MyPetJawa, since I have been posting here.
None, that I know of, has committed suicide and none, that I know of, has moved to the mountains (although some may still be considering it), since I have been posting here.
So, honey, you see, I'm doing my part for the undeserving Republicans of this world.
They only seem to be insulting me and the other liberals posting on this site.
Their insults are merely a cry for help, and I'm just doing my part, to try to relieve their suffering.
Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 28, 2006 08:03 AM (DH1pf)
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As I have yet to be convinced, to be swayed, by the arguements made to me here, why my leftard beliefs should be abandoned, I'll stay and fight the good fight with you PD. I don't want to see and Reich-wingers suffer. It's heart breaking, truly.
Tell Mrs. Duck to have no fear. We really are being charitable. I would like to be as much help to them as they have been to me.
Isn't that right greygoose?
Tell Mrs. Duck to have no fear. We really are being charitable. I would like to be as much help to them as they have been to me.
Isn't that right greygoose?
Posted by: No Fear at November 28, 2006 09:17 AM (ZQepB)
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No Fear: "why my leftard beliefs should be abandoned,"
Because they are leftard beliefs. Not liberal mind you. leftard. When left becomes so far left that it cannot fight for freedom any longer. The first step is admitting you are a leftard.
Congratulations, you've just taken your first step into a much larger universe.
Because they are leftard beliefs. Not liberal mind you. leftard. When left becomes so far left that it cannot fight for freedom any longer. The first step is admitting you are a leftard.
Congratulations, you've just taken your first step into a much larger universe.
Posted by: Darth Odie at November 28, 2006 09:29 AM (YdcZ0)
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Yes, I can see the error of my ways. I should aspire to become a bigoted, homophobic, misognistic war pig. Just like greygoose.
Posted by: No Fear at November 28, 2006 10:03 AM (ZQepB)
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I really hope to get another post so we can reset the discussion....Far be it from me to determine if I am in fact Democrat or Republican. Truth be told, at the present time, I wish to be part of neither party - mostly because instead of finding a way to get things done for the benefit of all these politics continue to divide us.
Here are the facts that I have tried to follow in this thread:
1) Kerry and his followers are incorrect in their statements regarding the US Military and those of us who comprise its ranks. Such statements in public are degrading and frankly, I am appalled that the MSM lacks the fortitude and courage to deny airtime for such nonsense.
Have we all agreed on the fact that the US Military is first and foremost, the best we have to offer in defense of our nation and the constitution?
2) It is a fact that due to freedom of speech, anyone can call the President names based on their opinion of his performance. Nobody can deny that right. However, if you can do a better job, sling the mud and RUN FOR OFFICE. I have served faithfully under democrat and republican administrations. I have opinions for and against both types, however I discharge my duties 110% regardless of the elected commander in chief.
You want a larger view, try and be a better President than the one you insult. Since I cannot do better than the ones that I have observed I will remain silent on the professional conduct. (I guess that's my military education coming out again.)
3) The MSM continues to undermine Coalition efforts in Iraq to create the conditions for troop withdrawl. Please note I refrain from the word "victory" as setting conditions for a democratic and free Iraq is not an end in itself but a means to an end. When we finish in Iraq, there will be another location, be it continued work in Afghanistan or some other location.
My opinion (having had boots in the sand): the insurgency in Iraq (OK the terrorists, thugs, call them what you will) wans the coalition out and free reign in Iraq for one primary reason: REAL ESTATE. By maintaining a regime in Iraq that allows their organizations to have safe harbor they gain a base of operations. That allows them to move to other free nations and continue to attack at will.
Please note, I am not saying this to make the argument that one should vote for or against a particular party, etc. By in large, I think most politicians understand this or a similar concept and want us to stabilize Iraq before we withdraw troops. However, the minority of the politicians (the ones getting face time with MSM) do not understand and do not seek the benefit of the larger national goals, but to feed the generic American ideal of the "quick fix" mentality.
See you on the high ground.
Here are the facts that I have tried to follow in this thread:
1) Kerry and his followers are incorrect in their statements regarding the US Military and those of us who comprise its ranks. Such statements in public are degrading and frankly, I am appalled that the MSM lacks the fortitude and courage to deny airtime for such nonsense.
Have we all agreed on the fact that the US Military is first and foremost, the best we have to offer in defense of our nation and the constitution?
2) It is a fact that due to freedom of speech, anyone can call the President names based on their opinion of his performance. Nobody can deny that right. However, if you can do a better job, sling the mud and RUN FOR OFFICE. I have served faithfully under democrat and republican administrations. I have opinions for and against both types, however I discharge my duties 110% regardless of the elected commander in chief.
You want a larger view, try and be a better President than the one you insult. Since I cannot do better than the ones that I have observed I will remain silent on the professional conduct. (I guess that's my military education coming out again.)
3) The MSM continues to undermine Coalition efforts in Iraq to create the conditions for troop withdrawl. Please note I refrain from the word "victory" as setting conditions for a democratic and free Iraq is not an end in itself but a means to an end. When we finish in Iraq, there will be another location, be it continued work in Afghanistan or some other location.
My opinion (having had boots in the sand): the insurgency in Iraq (OK the terrorists, thugs, call them what you will) wans the coalition out and free reign in Iraq for one primary reason: REAL ESTATE. By maintaining a regime in Iraq that allows their organizations to have safe harbor they gain a base of operations. That allows them to move to other free nations and continue to attack at will.
Please note, I am not saying this to make the argument that one should vote for or against a particular party, etc. By in large, I think most politicians understand this or a similar concept and want us to stabilize Iraq before we withdraw troops. However, the minority of the politicians (the ones getting face time with MSM) do not understand and do not seek the benefit of the larger national goals, but to feed the generic American ideal of the "quick fix" mentality.
See you on the high ground.
Posted by: Ironman Six at November 28, 2006 10:50 AM (cQGX8)
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No Fear: "I'll stay and fight the good fight with you PD."
Wait a minute....now my feelings are hurt. I thought you were seeking the truth....the TRUTH....remember? But you were only playing us? Oh, my....the hurt. My feelings. ..my precious, oh so sensitive feelings. You have hurt them, NoFear, by your betrayal, by your lies and deceits....
Oh well.
At least you can't hide behind your stupid alleged sock puppet or fake son in the service. Or sensitive, yet confused and searching, mind. You could always say that your typing fingers have a form of Tourettes Syndrome and you didn't really mean to say what you said. I'm sure you'll think of something.
Wait a minute....now my feelings are hurt. I thought you were seeking the truth....the TRUTH....remember? But you were only playing us? Oh, my....the hurt. My feelings. ..my precious, oh so sensitive feelings. You have hurt them, NoFear, by your betrayal, by your lies and deceits....
Oh well.
At least you can't hide behind your stupid alleged sock puppet or fake son in the service. Or sensitive, yet confused and searching, mind. You could always say that your typing fingers have a form of Tourettes Syndrome and you didn't really mean to say what you said. I'm sure you'll think of something.
Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at November 28, 2006 11:02 AM (2bJJN)
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As I have yet to be convinced, to be swayed, by the arguements made to me here, why my leftard beliefs should be abandoned,====================================
I have yet to be swayed. I am still seeking the truth. So what is truth? Are your political holdings true? Are mine? I suspect it's some where in between.
Take the post in the context it was written. Humor.
BTW, the reason I had to leave yesterday was because I had to take my other fake son to his fake dentist, and then back to his fake school. So he could learn about the fake world around him and function normaly in it. He then went to the fake tire center where he picked up his fake car. After that he went to his fake job, and then he came back to his fake home to his fake mother. When he did return he read a letter from his fake brother whom is in the fake airforce. Then he called his fake girlfriend.
Are you some kind of moron? What is wrong with you? What happened in your life that made you so cynical? I think the only thing you are deserving from me is pity. And that is one thing I would never want from anyone. Their pity.
I stand on my own two feet, support my family by myself, occasionally getting child support from my reich wing ex husband, (he's only about 2 yrs. behind.) I pay my taxes, and occasionally fall asleep at night knowing both my kids are ok. For that night. For that moment.
I ask nothing from no one except their knowledge. I am on a journey, to learn as much as I can. Where ever I can.
I shared some humor with a man I respect, not only for his beliefs, but for his past service to our country, and his commitment to it to this day, that is an honor for me.
Give me a reason to feel the same for you. Sir.
I have yet to be swayed. I am still seeking the truth. So what is truth? Are your political holdings true? Are mine? I suspect it's some where in between.
Take the post in the context it was written. Humor.
BTW, the reason I had to leave yesterday was because I had to take my other fake son to his fake dentist, and then back to his fake school. So he could learn about the fake world around him and function normaly in it. He then went to the fake tire center where he picked up his fake car. After that he went to his fake job, and then he came back to his fake home to his fake mother. When he did return he read a letter from his fake brother whom is in the fake airforce. Then he called his fake girlfriend.
Are you some kind of moron? What is wrong with you? What happened in your life that made you so cynical? I think the only thing you are deserving from me is pity. And that is one thing I would never want from anyone. Their pity.
I stand on my own two feet, support my family by myself, occasionally getting child support from my reich wing ex husband, (he's only about 2 yrs. behind.) I pay my taxes, and occasionally fall asleep at night knowing both my kids are ok. For that night. For that moment.
I ask nothing from no one except their knowledge. I am on a journey, to learn as much as I can. Where ever I can.
I shared some humor with a man I respect, not only for his beliefs, but for his past service to our country, and his commitment to it to this day, that is an honor for me.
Give me a reason to feel the same for you. Sir.
Posted by: No Fear at November 28, 2006 11:58 AM (ZQepB)
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Ironman, thank you for your post. I hope everyone reads it. It's worth the time.
Posted by: No Fear at November 28, 2006 12:05 PM (ZQepB)
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I have an IDEA.
Take a break and watch this.
Some of you might not get it . It contains humor.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fgT13ZWKq48
Take a break and watch this.
Some of you might not get it . It contains humor.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fgT13ZWKq48
Posted by: No Fear at November 28, 2006 12:27 PM (ZQepB)
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You have to log in to watch it.
Posted by: No Fear at November 28, 2006 12:32 PM (ZQepB)
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No Fear: I thought you were duplicitous but I realize now that you are just a little mental. I wish you well on your journey and I highly recommend that you find a compass.
Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at November 28, 2006 05:48 PM (2bJJN)
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Ironman 6:
Great comment. I agree that some of the politicians getting face time with the Establishment media just don't get it. Guys like Murtha and Kennedy are obviously deluded and just plain stupid.
However, many of them know exactly what will happen if America cuts n' runs from Iraq. They just don't care, because if they get their way, and the mission in Iraq is ended prematurely (abandoned,) they know the Establishment Media will help them blame the disastrous results on President Bush and the Republican party.
Guys like Kerry know what happened to the South Vietnamese when they were abandoned to the fun loving commies, and he knows what will happen if Iraq is abandoned to the terrorists. So do Pelosi and Reid. Political power is more important to them than America's security--or anything else, for that matter.
Great comment. I agree that some of the politicians getting face time with the Establishment media just don't get it. Guys like Murtha and Kennedy are obviously deluded and just plain stupid.
However, many of them know exactly what will happen if America cuts n' runs from Iraq. They just don't care, because if they get their way, and the mission in Iraq is ended prematurely (abandoned,) they know the Establishment Media will help them blame the disastrous results on President Bush and the Republican party.
Guys like Kerry know what happened to the South Vietnamese when they were abandoned to the fun loving commies, and he knows what will happen if Iraq is abandoned to the terrorists. So do Pelosi and Reid. Political power is more important to them than America's security--or anything else, for that matter.
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at November 28, 2006 09:42 PM (bLPT+)
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No Fear
The number one reason to stay in Iraq is because the mission goals are being achieved. The second reason for staying is the long range strategic picture. Not so we can have bases, or Iraqi oil, or whatever material thing that comes to mind.
Combat experience against Jihadists!
Long way to my point, but here goes.
Kerry compared our troops to those under Ghengis Khan, and I hope you will forgive me if I do the same for a moment.
At the time of Ghengis Khan (GK), there was no more formidable military power on earth. They had the sturdiest horses, and the strongest bows. Both mobility, and firepower. They had high morale.
An individual Chinese soldier, might be able to kill a mongol warrior, but it was never a fair fight. Mongols lived and breathed the lifestyle that made them fighters, and they learned to operate in formations that maximized those skills.
They were politically strong, unified by GK, and trained and comanded in a decimal system. One leader had ten men behind him, and each had ten men behind him, and so on. The largest units were 10,000 men. They had the same quality of discipline, and skill, throughout.
The experience of the man who would lead, and teach ten others was vital. He could pass on what he knew, and no more. Leaders were chosen for quality. Trust, and loyalty were thicker than blood. Each knew the others would do their job.
And contrary to popular image, the mongols were almost always outnumbered by their enemies. They were unmatched!
So are the armed forces of the USA in modern times. Unmatched. Outnumbered. Our troops have the best weapons, and the best training. Each one knows that the others will do their jobs. Trust, and loyalty, and promotions based on merit. Unmatched!
Whether we like it or not, we are headed into another world war. It doesn't need a special number to make it a world war. It just will be.
This coming war will be against brutal, life hating irregulars, who use children as smart bombs. They will hide among the people of the world. They will not balk at using any horror you can imagine against their enemy 'the Infidel'
The killers are active right now, in Iraq, and our troops are building schools, and training police, in spite of them. Our troops are learning the things that they will need to know, when it is their turn to lead and teach their 'ten'. They are learning what they will need to be the Officers and NCO's of the very much expanded armed services. Yes ... expanded.
No Fear, the men like your son, doing their duty now, are the hope not just of Iraq, but of civilization itself. This is a hard time, but it is really only a warm up for the war to come.
I really and truely wish it wasn't so, but it is. We need to be in Iraq for the benefit of the Armed forces.
One last thing. No military does well with poor morale. No army that comes home with the mission left unfinished, has good morale. We cannot let the war end in anything that looks, smells, or feels like failure. So when the guys here rant at the MSM, and 'Sheehanism', they are trying to win the war here, so our troops can win over there and come home proud.
As our troops learn over there, you are learning over here at the Jawa report
USA all the way!
The number one reason to stay in Iraq is because the mission goals are being achieved. The second reason for staying is the long range strategic picture. Not so we can have bases, or Iraqi oil, or whatever material thing that comes to mind.
Combat experience against Jihadists!
Long way to my point, but here goes.
Kerry compared our troops to those under Ghengis Khan, and I hope you will forgive me if I do the same for a moment.
At the time of Ghengis Khan (GK), there was no more formidable military power on earth. They had the sturdiest horses, and the strongest bows. Both mobility, and firepower. They had high morale.
An individual Chinese soldier, might be able to kill a mongol warrior, but it was never a fair fight. Mongols lived and breathed the lifestyle that made them fighters, and they learned to operate in formations that maximized those skills.
They were politically strong, unified by GK, and trained and comanded in a decimal system. One leader had ten men behind him, and each had ten men behind him, and so on. The largest units were 10,000 men. They had the same quality of discipline, and skill, throughout.
The experience of the man who would lead, and teach ten others was vital. He could pass on what he knew, and no more. Leaders were chosen for quality. Trust, and loyalty were thicker than blood. Each knew the others would do their job.
And contrary to popular image, the mongols were almost always outnumbered by their enemies. They were unmatched!
So are the armed forces of the USA in modern times. Unmatched. Outnumbered. Our troops have the best weapons, and the best training. Each one knows that the others will do their jobs. Trust, and loyalty, and promotions based on merit. Unmatched!
Whether we like it or not, we are headed into another world war. It doesn't need a special number to make it a world war. It just will be.
This coming war will be against brutal, life hating irregulars, who use children as smart bombs. They will hide among the people of the world. They will not balk at using any horror you can imagine against their enemy 'the Infidel'
The killers are active right now, in Iraq, and our troops are building schools, and training police, in spite of them. Our troops are learning the things that they will need to know, when it is their turn to lead and teach their 'ten'. They are learning what they will need to be the Officers and NCO's of the very much expanded armed services. Yes ... expanded.
No Fear, the men like your son, doing their duty now, are the hope not just of Iraq, but of civilization itself. This is a hard time, but it is really only a warm up for the war to come.
I really and truely wish it wasn't so, but it is. We need to be in Iraq for the benefit of the Armed forces.
One last thing. No military does well with poor morale. No army that comes home with the mission left unfinished, has good morale. We cannot let the war end in anything that looks, smells, or feels like failure. So when the guys here rant at the MSM, and 'Sheehanism', they are trying to win the war here, so our troops can win over there and come home proud.
As our troops learn over there, you are learning over here at the Jawa report
USA all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at November 29, 2006 04:03 AM (2OHpj)
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Oh, yeah, our goals are being accomplished, in Iraq.
Everyone believes that, now don't they?
What is President Moron going to do when the democratically elected Al Qaeda party is running Iraq.
Will that be acceptable to President Moron?
BTW - Ironman Six - do not...I repeat...do not disagree with the people here, or your claim to military service will be recinded.
Your service is recognized, only as long as you drink their Kool-aide.
Everyone believes that, now don't they?
What is President Moron going to do when the democratically elected Al Qaeda party is running Iraq.
Will that be acceptable to President Moron?
BTW - Ironman Six - do not...I repeat...do not disagree with the people here, or your claim to military service will be recinded.
Your service is recognized, only as long as you drink their Kool-aide.
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