August 17, 2006

The Jill Carroll Story Part V

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Jill Carroll via The Christian Science Monitor: One afternoon in the first week after I’d been taken – and I’d been moved to yet another house – Abu Ali called me into a big sitting room with green velveteen couches. On the far wall, above the TV, was a gigantic poster of waterfalls and rocks and trees.

But my captors wanted me to look at something very different: DVDs of them waging war.

By their count they were killing dozens or even hundreds of soldiers a day. They could prove it, they said, with videos of their operations showing humvees and tanks blowing up and snipers shooting soldiers.

So Abu Ali sat me down to show me the videos. They were all in Arabic and included audio overlays of mujahideen singing in low, somber tones.

Others had pictures of an American Hummvee driving along, and then it would blow up, and they’d cut to a graphic of a lightning flash, and thunder clapping.

Abu Ali would glance over at me as I watched the videos, asking me what I thought of them. I couldn’t say anything good, but I tried to say things that were true, like “Oh, this is the first time I’ve ever seen this, I didn’t know this was out there”.

To Abu Ali, though, this was their mission, a righteous path; this was their work for God.

While I sat there watching them I felt like the insurgents were sending me a message: they hate Americans so much, they’re proud of these attacks. It’s normal to them.

Part IV.

Part III.

Part II.

Part I plus relevant links including Jawa and Christian Science Monitor archives here.

Posted by: Howie at 08:43 PM | Comments (13) | Add Comment
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1 Is it their nature to kill, or to kill Americans?

Posted by: SeeMonk at August 17, 2006 09:53 PM (n4VvM)

2 SeeMonk, yes.

Posted by: forest hunter at August 17, 2006 10:29 PM (TjUVb)

3 I really don't believe her story.

Posted by: Todd Karvanek at August 17, 2006 11:20 PM (BRDf+)

4 Did she thank them for allowing her to see their work for God?  She's so fake, it's pathetic!

Posted by: pivalleygirl at August 18, 2006 04:23 AM (0Pys3)

5 How many times do we have to see this womans picture?

Posted by: greyrooster at August 18, 2006 07:40 AM (BjTJ6)

6

Rooster, Oh about 11.  You want me to switch to one of the other icons they sent me?


Posted by: Howie at August 18, 2006 08:17 AM (YdcZ0)

7 Read up....

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0126/p09s02-coop.html

"I was a public affairs officer with the Marines in Iraq last year and had the privilege of working with Jill on several occasions. Her professionalism and objectivity were unparalleled within the media community. I saw her in Husaybah, on the Syrian border, in early December shortly before I returned to the States. Aside from being very personable and down-to-earth, what really struck me was Jill's bravery. She seemed to fit right in with the Marines and Iraqi security forces. It is this attribute, I believe, that will see her through her current ordeal. My family and I will continue to keep Jill in our prayers. I am hopeful for her eventual release."
Patrick Kerr
New Orleans

and this...

http://www.ajr.org/article.asp?id=3829

"...There are more lucrative ways to work and faster ways to advance a career. But just as athletes do it for love of the game, freelancers in Iraq seem to do it for love of the story...The sense that I could do more good in the Middle East than in the U.S. drove me to move to Jordan six months before the war to learn as much about the region as possible before the fighting began. All I ever wanted to be was a foreign correspondent, so when I was laid off from my reporting assistant job at the Wall Street Journal in August 2002, it seemed the right time to try to make it happen. There was bound to be plenty of parachute journalism once the war started, and I didn't want to be a part of that..." - Jill Carroll

and this...

Q&A with Jill Carroll (watch it in the link):
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/carroll/QA/index.html

Q. "When released from Iraq, you had stated that you had been well-treated by your captors. After your trip to Germany and return to the US you then indicated that you were not treated well. For a seasoned correspondent, which answer was truthful?"
– Cecil E. Perfoy, Maui, Hawaii

A. Jill Carroll: "Well, obviously, the latter. I wasn't well treated. But keep in mind, I wasn't doing this as a reporter. I was a hostage which is different. I wasn't working, I had been attacked, essentially. So, the reason why I said in the beginning that I was well treated, those words I said, in that video that came out that said I was in one room and went to a bathroom once, and that was all; those were the exact words I was told to say by the insurgents who captured me. They said if I ever said anything more, or anything different from that, essentially they would come kill me, essentially. So, I was never to tell anyone anything else aside from those exact words that I said. So, when I got out, I was still absolutely terrified.
People seem to think that when you're free suddenly you're just back to who you were and that you're feeling safe and everything's great again. Not at all. This kind of thing just shakes your sense of security to the absolute core for a long, long time. And so, I had just gotten out. I wasn't about to say anything wrong. I wasn't about to violate what they wanted me to say. They want me to tell the world that I was well-treated, and that's what it took for me to get home and get away and never have this happen again, then so be it. I didn't care. After a few days, in your mind, you start to get a little better sense of yourself, and also being away and out of Iraq, and being in Germany and being back in the US you begin to feel sort of ... I began to feel a little safer about saying things, and not sticking to the script that I had been given by the captors to say. But, when I said that, the captors had told me maybe two hours before that they were going to kill me. So, it's a little hard to come from that, and two hours, then switch, and be like, oh yeah, well, now I'm back. Let me be myself again and tell you the truth about how awful it was. I was afraid they would come get me again. I did whatever I had to do to keep that from happening."

Posted by: Anon at August 18, 2006 09:34 AM (6dAeG)

8 Anon: Personally, I am not questioning her behavior after she was kidnapped. I do question the wisdom of her being there to begin with. The resources available should be used to find and fight the terrorists. Not search for a female journalist who forces the divertion of resources because of her individual desires. Who paid for her flight from Iraq to Germany, her medical checkups, her flight from Germany to America? She chooses, someone else pays.
I believe one has the right to do as one pleases as long as it doesn't affect others and you pay your own way.
Anyway, she got her 15 minutes so its a mute point. Just wondering who pays the bill for her 15 minutes.

Posted by: greyrooster at August 19, 2006 05:56 AM (MXHg4)

9 Thank you, My Pet Jawa, for keeping us informed about the kidnapping of people in Iraq and other places by Islamic Fascists.  We need to know.

Posted by: RepJ at August 19, 2006 10:10 AM (rqlgb)

10 We do what we can.  I't's been along while since we've heard muhc news of that.  I need to get on track with that.  I've not heard anyhing about Jeffrey Ake lately.  One of the worries I have is that it's possible that those who know Jeffs fate may not have survived.  I pray he turns up safe.  Not all these hostages we have followed ended up well.  I'm proud of our coverage here and I know Rusty is and he get's the credit I think.  But that pride is pretty it tempered when you think about the others who died and those still missing. 
 
 
I think it's pathetic that dumbasses are attacking her on every thread.  I don't think half of them even read it.  I was asked to follow this. I didn't sign up.  Proud to do it despite all the crap she takes for it. (me taking crap is irrelevant).  I don't see her painting a very favorable pic of the terrorists. The CSM is running several things related to Islamic terrorism. 
 
I hope she comes over here and rips you assholes a new one.

Posted by: Darth Odie at August 19, 2006 03:45 PM (YdcZ0)

11 Rooster. Of course her getting into that probably was not her best move. I'm note sure just how against the war she was but of course they talked up as best they could. Shit happens. I'm sure the marines would rather not have go help people unnecessarily. But I think you would wouln't you rooster? Bitch her out but you would go get any hostage if you could. And probably do a bit of payback eh? So I agree with you it's bad/reckless in shat she was there.

See rooster one of th reasone we didn't do iraw right was of cruel peacenicks who think in war less killing at any given second is winning. peace for peace sake.

I think we should have went into Iraq with 1,000,000. and quite a few civilians. Those are our people. I think the majority of our people over there military and otherwise make friends. But when we don't put it all into it we can't do it. Then th bad examples win out. Things drag.

The most humane thing would to have been starting at a line and disarming every fucking thing as you move kicking ass all the way. Siege bahgdad. Force a surrender and wait for as long as it takes. break the enemy's will completely. get Sadam to sign or else accept the sig of th e man holding his head. Then afterward you bust ass just as hard to fix it and get out. Takes a lot less time overall but it takes a nation a whole one and we don't have that.

Posted by: Howie at August 19, 2006 09:28 PM (D3+20)

12 As I have said many times before. If you're going to smoke it or drink it. SHARE!

Posted by: greyrooster at August 20, 2006 08:42 AM (FTx5X)

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