September 01, 2006

That's Gonna Leave a Mark

Cross-posted from The Dread Pundit Bluto

This video shows US snipers taking out Taliban snipers with the Barrett .50 caliber sniper rifle.

WARNING: Due to the extremely graphic nature of its content, it should not be viewed by pussies.

Posted by: Bluto at 11:17 PM | Comments (65) | Add Comment
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1 I hate to rain on the parade, but I think that is just rock chucks being popped hard. I'd have liked for it to be just what it is pre-supposed to be, but there just isn't enough "human factor" in there for it to be real. It is good shooting, but....
Sorry for the downside news,
Woody

Posted by: Oran R. Woody at September 01, 2006 11:43 PM (oqs2b)

2 heh....

Them 'rock chunks' are damn juicy and stringy from what I can see junior.

And the amazing thing....I've never seen 'rock chunks' wear clothes before...not at least round these parts.

Posted by: mrclark at September 02, 2006 12:15 AM (VxWAO)

3 I've got this video in pretty good resolution, and you can see an arm go flying. Good family entertainment!

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 02, 2006 12:17 AM (v3I+x)

4 Oran, first shot is upper torso flying up and left. Can't tell what 2nd shot is. 3rd shot you can see the arm and part of the torso go flying left. You can actually see the guy moving in shot 4 just before they fire, if you watch closely enough. Looks like maybe a headshot.

I always knew the .50 was a heckova weapon, but I was still surprised at the ammount of gibbage when I first saw this video.

Posted by: Ranba Ral at September 02, 2006 12:23 AM (VvXII)

5 but, but, but guys....those are 'rock chunks'


LOL.....

Posted by: mrclark at September 02, 2006 12:26 AM (VxWAO)

6 http://www.rmvh.com/Movies/ChucksShort3.wmv

Posted by: Vinnie at September 02, 2006 12:32 AM (/qy9A)

7 chucks....he said chucks!!!

I like chunks better.... But those are still damn big CHUCKS!!

thanks for the video vinnie. the music was nice too.

Posted by: mrclark at September 02, 2006 12:41 AM (VxWAO)

8 Bluto... You a$$hole!

I need to go to sleep and you post something that I cannot stop watching.

you a$$hole

-M

Posted by: mychimo at September 02, 2006 12:45 AM (moydt)

9 Viva Revolucion!

Grunt Grunt

Posted by: Downing Street Memo at September 02, 2006 02:00 AM (DnP0U)

10 War crime!!? I clearly see that irregular militant insurgent Taliban had no arms....or head for that matter !

Posted by: davec at September 02, 2006 02:09 AM (QkWqQ)

11 I have sent a few groundhogs (lowland rock chucks) to that great clover field in the sky, and NONE, I REPEAT, NONE of them looked like that at the crucial moment! That was some damn fine shootin'.

Posted by: Robert from NC at September 02, 2006 02:41 AM (6e0Du)

12 >>>"rock chunks"

lol! What a moron. No, I'm the one who's really sorry to rain on your parade, but those are your Taliban buddies flying through the air.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at September 02, 2006 03:06 AM (ILns2)

13 And by the way, that was AWESOME. lol!

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at September 02, 2006 03:09 AM (ILns2)

14 Damn.

Posted by: Casey at September 02, 2006 04:17 AM (e4+pR)

15 That video doesn't even play right. All the action has been deleted, it seems. Thanks for nothing.

Posted by: Mr Bland at September 02, 2006 04:28 AM (2Y1mr)

16 "All the action has been deleted, it seems." Not according to the scrapped out Taliban puke, missing an arm, lungs, backstrap..........

Posted by: forest hunter at September 02, 2006 07:25 AM (TjUVb)

17 No rifle bullet can produce the kind of damage seen in these photos. A 50 Caliber Browning Machine Gun (BMG) drives a 750-800 grain jacketed steel core bullet approximately 2800 fps, producing about 12,000 foot-pounds of energy. However, that bullet would simply zip right through a human torso and continue on its way, retaining most of its energy. Myth-Busters did a segment were "Buster" was hung off the ground by clips requiring only 1/4 inch rearward movement to knock him off his perch. The 50 BMG, fired at 50 yds, did manage to move Buster just enough to knock him to the ground. However, Buster's body parts remained intact. This video depicts some sort of ordinace that explodes on contact. Standard 50 Cal BMG rifle bullets are not "explosive".

Posted by: WestByGOD at September 02, 2006 07:29 AM (tJfHR)

18 Looks like they're going up (to heaven?), body parts and all. LOL

Posted by: n.a. palm at September 02, 2006 08:01 AM (Bjsvu)

19 Westy,
 
.50 rounds come in many many forms, including HE.

Posted by: SeeMonk at September 02, 2006 09:03 AM (n4VvM)

20 Standard 50 Cal BMG rifle bullets are not "explosive".

What makes you think its standard FMJ?

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 02, 2006 09:27 AM (WxRQS)

21 I really hate to bring you down, but this video was debunked a long time ago. Those are animals getting shot, not Taliban (how I wish it was). If you pause the first video at the right spot (almost right away) you will see that it isn't a person laying on the rock. Besides, in that type of terrain, no one with any amount of combat experience is going to lay out like that for you to shoot. The Taliban may be evil, disgusting vermin, but they aren't inexperienced.

Posted by: upper56 at September 02, 2006 09:42 AM (Os0IO)

22 War's pretty good for the snuff film industry.

Posted by: actus at September 02, 2006 09:45 AM (JhjMt)

23 Could it be a .50 caliber (BMG) MK211 MOD 0 High Explosive Incendiary Armor Piercing (HEIAP) round as used in the USMC M82A1A Special Application Scoped Rifle? Talibs aren't made of ballistic gelatin.

Posted by: ptg at September 02, 2006 09:51 AM (rVWj9)

24 The bullets didn't have to be anything but standard ball, and yes, a regular bullet can do that kind of damage. Anyone who has ever hunted varmints, such as groundhogs, knows the effect of a bullet passing at high velocity through flesh and blood, and there's even a name for it - red mist. If the bullet is still hypersonic when it contacts flesh, it doesn't just punch a hole through the body, but its shockwave literally explodes inside the body cavity, generating kinetic forces that are far too powerful for muscle and skin to withstand; thus explosive impact. It's why high velocity bullets leave larger exit than entrance wounds, and why shithouse ballisticians should be ignored.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 02, 2006 09:52 AM (v3I+x)

25 Could it be the .50 caliber (BMG) MK211 MOD 0 High Explosive Incendiary Armor Piercing (HEIAP) round as used in the USMC M82A1A Special Application Scoped Rifle? Talibs aren't made of ballistic gelatin.

Posted by: ptg at September 02, 2006 09:54 AM (rVWj9)

26 IM is correct, the technical term is "hydrostatic shock", the destructive action of a shock wave passing through the mostly liquid body.

However, Vinnie emails that he thinks the video is derived from a video showing varmint hunters, and that the "Taliban" are actually animals.

Vinnie is correct any way you look at it. If they are varmints, they're animals. If they're Taliban, they're animals.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at September 02, 2006 09:56 AM (vBK4C)

27 I saw this vid several months ago. It was attributed to the .50 Cal,... but it was being fired at some range in Arizona or New Mexico. And if I remember correctly mostly it was watermelons that they had placed at about 1000 meters. I think only one (the last shot shown) was an actual animal.

I'll have to backtrack and see if I can find the website that had originally posted the video. I'm pretty sure that I found it on a site that was linked from another site that was linked via BlackFive.

Re; The Mythbuster episode. They weren't proving/disproving the "red mist" or pieces of a body flying off from hydrostatic shock. They were disproving that a bullet can send a "whole" man flying through the air like they do in the movies.

It's the old "equal and opposite force" rule of physics that they were proving.

If (say a 12 guage) slug hit a man and sent him flying 10 feet through the air then the opposite force should send the shooter flying the same distance. It doesn't! So it's physically impossible for a bullet to send someone flying like in the movies.

However, a bullet can (and do) send bits and pieces of a body flying.

I've found huge chunks of brain matter (as big as my fist) down the hallway (roughly 40 feet) from a suicide that I was investigating. He ate an AK round and it took the entire top half of his head off. From the bridge of his nose up (all the way around) was gone.

There were even pieces of skull embedded in the sheetrock walls and ceiling,... some as far away as 15 feet. That required a whole lot less force than a 50 Cal round at 1000 meters would impart upon a body.

So I'm certain (without a doubt) that body parts can shear off and fly quite a ways. And that it's very possible for (even a FMJ) .50 Cal round could impart that force upon an object, body, dumbass Taliban, or whatever else you were shooting at.

~V5


Posted by: VictorFive at September 02, 2006 10:32 AM (Pp32v)

28 Let's hope those bullets were covered in pig grease!

As Dave Navarro would say on Rockstar SuperNova, "You mean you actually took that high powered weapon and destroyed Jihadi fighters with one single shot.....(stern look from Navarro,leading to huge smile)...that was AWESOME!"

Posted by: Lisa at September 02, 2006 11:31 AM (neNXQ)

29 Ah, sweet! Made my day.
By the way, they must be running out of virgins in the Islamotard heaven. I mean, just last week, the coalition dispatched nearly 100 sh*t-eating Taliban in just two or three days of combat. And that's not all; NATO is preparing for their biggest assault on Taliban strongholds yet.

Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at September 02, 2006 11:40 AM (Bp6wV)

30 I gotta go along with the woodchuck explanation,this was posted at the Guns & Ammo forum at least a year ago & somebody recognized the terrain.

Posted by: Frantic Freddie at September 02, 2006 12:31 PM (UH0jU)

31 IM is Incorrect. 50 Cal Ball ammo is not constructed like ammunition used to kill varmints. NO soft lead core, NO paper thin jacket, and NO polymer tip covering a gaping hollow point, ie Nosler Ballistic Tip. And I seriously doubt the DOD is working overtime developing a 50 Cal varmint load. I have shot many a ground hog, and am fully aware of the "red-mist" effect. I also knew people who used to shoot coyotes with Remington 17 Cal rifles driving a FMJ (see 50 Cal Ball) 17 grain bullet at over 4,000 fps. Plenty of "hydrostatic shock", ZERO "red-mist", pelt unaffected.

Posted by: WestByGOD at September 02, 2006 01:11 PM (tJfHR)

32 West, the core construction isn't the issue, although .50 BMG ball is essentially no different than regular ball ammo, i.e. a lead core with a full copper jacket; the issue is energy retention and transfer. Retention is a function of mass, which the .50 has plenty of, and transfer is accomplished through direct impact and hydrostatic shock, which comes from the hypersonic velocity of the bullet. Hollowpoint varmint bullets are designed to dump their energy by expansion, and so create a short, but nasty wound channel, while solids make deeper channels and rely more on velocity to create shock. If you think a Remington .17 hollowpoint hitting a coyote is like a BMG .50 ball hitting a man, then you need to spend some time behind real guns and shoot lots of different stuff. A .50 BMG can take a concrete building apart, but you think it can't take a man apart? Get some real world experience before you try to school your elders and betters.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 02, 2006 01:32 PM (v3I+x)

33 Ok from a personal perspective a .50 cal BMG round does damage like this all the time. Whether it is from a Ma Deuce or a barret sniper rifle it does not matter, The sheer velocity is usually enough to rip of legs or arms or if hit in the torso the path of least resistance usually pops an arm off or the orifices in the head (eyeballs, mouth, etc..) blow out from the extreme instant pressure....ohhh 2003/04 OIF for my perspective

Posted by: DAT at September 02, 2006 02:36 PM (8Q1YD)

34 Ohh also for kicks on a gunnery range in germany I once chopped a tree down with a Ma Deuce and the rangemeister was none to pleased! and also there is only about 5 different types of .50 cal rounds out there with some of the only differences being tracer, aircraft( which is near obsolete) and the other one used for sighting the ole 106mm rocket or for use in gunnery practice instead of using 120mm in the abrams which have the same flight characteristics out to 2500 meters

Posted by: DAT at September 02, 2006 02:41 PM (8Q1YD)

35 DAT, I once chopped a tree down with a Desert Eagle .50 semi auto hand gun. The gun is a monster. I once forgot hearing protection when I went out shooting with it. I won't do that again.

Posted by: SeeMonk at September 02, 2006 03:00 PM (n4VvM)

36 BTW, I have a newer look to my site. Everyone check it out sometime.

Posted by: SeeMonk at September 02, 2006 03:01 PM (n4VvM)

37 Best disclaimer ever.

Posted by: Gordon at September 02, 2006 03:18 PM (YrwYk)

38 Yes no ear protection and a Ma Deuce hurts like hell! but better to hurt like hell then be on the recieving end of a .50

Posted by: DAT at September 02, 2006 03:24 PM (8Q1YD)

39 rocks lol

Posted by: J at September 02, 2006 04:33 PM (UELWI)

40 If you are going to do something, do it right. And this is right.

Posted by: Dennis P. Skea at September 02, 2006 07:21 PM (+WuRB)

41 You people are the reason why the world is in such a sorry state. As human beings, is this the best that you can come up with? Is this the world you really want to live in?

Posted by: Harry Z at September 02, 2006 07:30 PM (0lueq)

42 No Harry Z, that world hasn't arrived yet. There are still too many murderous jihadi assclowns, and their boneheaded sympathizers, around.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at September 02, 2006 08:14 PM (vBK4C)

43 Yes, Harry, it is we who are murdering and raping hundreds of thousands in Darfur, it is we who are attempting to kill thousands by blowing up airliners over the ocean, it is we who are firing missiles indiscriminantly at civilians, it is we who are blowing up trains, it is we who are killing women just because they marry whom they wish, it is we who seek to take the World back to the 7th C.  Harry, you are full of shit.

Posted by: jesusland joe at September 02, 2006 08:44 PM (rUyw4)

44 I've had that video for quite a while. The actualy video is quite a bit clearer than this one. There were several hits on the original and it was definetly a human, that is until the 50 hit, then it was just a pile of sh** that all muslems are.

Also have the video of the guy sticking a rifle around the corner of a building and shooting at a tank. Put it this way, never bring a rifle to a tank battle. No body or corner of the building left.

Ignore harry, he's just another whining, brain dead, anti-american democrat. He's only one of the masses in the democratic party that have let BDS progress to insanity. He actually thinks the slimey religion of murder won't remove his head because he's a coward. They like the whiners best, provides a good laugh for them and the cut the head off with a dull knife, or pull a Saddam and run them through a chipper.

Posted by: Scrapiron at September 02, 2006 09:10 PM (ds0+e)

45 I like the jawa report but this video is a fake. I have been in Afghanistan and I have seen enemy hit by our snipers in Afghanistan.

That video is not from Afghanistan, and whatever is being hit is not a human being being hit by even the heavier sniper weapons (.50, .33 .

Also, I'd love to get the spotter's opinion on the person that ordered him to take a video camera with such zoom capability on an op - assuming this video is real, which it isn't.

This isn't to say that our snipers aren't kicking the shit out of the enemy on a daily basis. They are.

Posted by: anonymous at September 02, 2006 09:42 PM (6JEUY)

46 Harry, You suffer from the Kobe Bryant Haters Syndrome. You hate those of unequivocal greatness and dominance. It is ok Harry, I somewhat understand. If there was a country better than mine I would hate it also. Remember hate is envy's ugly cousin. So just sit back and enjoy the fruits of our greatness like you and all your other piss-ant countries always do.

If you aint American you aint shit

Posted by: anonymous at September 02, 2006 10:30 PM (1NGwl)

47 Anon, you can't tell me that's not body parts flying. Just because you've been somewhere doesn't make you an absolute authority on every subject that loosely pertains to the place.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 02, 2006 10:36 PM (v3I+x)

48 what is a .338? dont you mean .308 and in the real world of the military if you have been to afghanistan it is 7.62, also I have seen .50 cal (12.7mm for you knuckleheads) death from a Ma deuce and I can tell you one shot on any part of your body is instant death. Like I said on the previous post a hit on the torso is gruesome.

Posted by: DAT at September 02, 2006 10:53 PM (8Q1YD)

49 "WARNING: Due to the extremely graphic nature of its content, it should not be viewed by pussies."

LOL

Posted by: grinnel's penis at September 02, 2006 11:22 PM (8Cktx)

50 Folks this is a varmint hunting video. Play it frame by frame. The targets are rock chucks, and the terrain suggests high desert, possibly in the Northwest U.S. The weapon was most likely a .22-250 (or some other 3500 to 4000 feet per second cartridge). The bullet is going so fast that dynamic hydrostatic pressure blows the relatively small and squishy critters to smithereens.

A .50 caliber BMG round will blow a Taliban's head off, but it won't chop his body to hamburger like the 25mm round used in the Bradley Fighting Vehicle autocannon will, or the 30mm Vulcan gatling gun (such as mounted in the A-10 Thunderbolt II)...

British and Canadian snipers have been using the .338 Lapua in their inventory in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere (a belted magnum cartridge designed specifically for long-range sniping) ...

Posted by: professor at September 03, 2006 01:50 AM (FOT5S)

51 Clicky

Hit the "Rock chuck" link and compare it to the Youtube video.

Posted by: Vinnie at September 03, 2006 02:57 AM (/qy9A)

52 DAT-

I meant .338. 7.62 is a 'standard' size round for a sniper weapon. The 2 most common sniper rounds larger than 7.62(x51) are the .50 and the .338.

And it's still a phony video.

Posted by: anonymous at September 03, 2006 05:16 AM (6JEUY)

53 Improbulus Maximums-

I have been a lot more involved with the topic at hand than you have. I have seen enemy hit by various sniper rifles thru spotting scopes in Afghanistan. I have spent a great deal of time in Afghanistan, scanning the terrain (among other activities).

Those are not people being hit. It is not Afghanistan. And sniper teams do not carry *video* cameras with almost impossible zoom capabilities when 'doing their stuff'.

The shots that you see being taken are not being taken at that great of a range. If you have a decent ammount of time dealing with gunfire at range, optics, etc. you know what I am talking about.

Posted by: anonymous at September 03, 2006 05:21 AM (6JEUY)

54 After just watching the vid Vinnie just posted, the youtube clip is just a copy of it. However, just because the vid dont show taliban dying they are in reality getting sniped a lot.

"A BRITISH sniper waging war on the Taliban is so deadly he has earned a chilling nickname — The Man Who Never Misses.

The unerring Army sharpshooter has killed 39 rebel fighters single-handedly.

His marksmanship is so lethal that rumours have spread like wildfire through insurgents’ camps, causing panic and confusion."

Read about him here: http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006350757,00.html

Posted by: Dave Clarke at September 03, 2006 07:41 AM (hVVdd)

55 I can't make up my mind from the video provided. I have shot many a gopher with a variety of calibres, sometimes cleanly, and sometimes not so. Once I shot a a gopher intending to use parts as bait to go pike fishing (long story). I was using .22 long rifle ammo, and my shot went low about 1/2 to 1 full inch. I struck the rock directly in front of the gopher (I notice the amount of rockiness in the video)The bullet and fragments ripped the gopher into three peices, one of which was nearly the whole leg.

It is not far fetched for a bullet in .50 calibre (which in previous wars was considered worthy to attack armored vehicles) to rip a Jihadist dirtbag to shreds, especially if rock shards and secondary fragmentation play a role.

Also with all the "fauxtography" going on, it behooves us to question any source out of fairness. But I am wanting it to be Talibs so badly that I really want a definite answer.

USA! All the way!

Posted by: Mike at September 03, 2006 03:46 PM (2OHpj)

56 One thing is for sure, those aren't flying "rock chunks," it's flesh and bone.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at September 03, 2006 04:30 PM (8e/V4)

57 There are classified rounds for the .50 cal that are explosive. Things have changed since the vietnam days boys.

Posted by: oneolcop at September 03, 2006 05:12 PM (RLRqI)

58 Uh, guys, the answer has been around for a while...download that vid-clip chucksShort3.wmv that was posted about 1/3 the way down the comment list by a member named Vinnie on Sep 2nd. The video shows clearly that these are animals (and small ones at that) being shot...which is why the bodies fly around so much. These are not .50 cal rounds or any explosive wigglywhoo. These are just rabbit-sized animals being gibbed by video-toting hunters.

Sorry! Download to the vid to see what I mean. Though that one rabbit DID look like he was carrying a Koran!

Posted by: Jake at September 03, 2006 05:45 PM (bZRN4)

59 As much as I want to believe that video is true, I have heard from a number of different people in the know that there is NO WAY those are human beings. Nothing short of a 25mm Bushmaster in a Bradley (I think someone mentioned that as well) is going to produce the dramatic ballistic effects like those seen in the video. They are definately not rocks, but those meatchunks aren't retired Taliban shitbags, sorry fellas. There are a number of pics on ogrish.com that show dead insurgents who were dispatched by the 25mm canon in a Bradley, and there is no doubt that beastly weapon would do that, but as nasty as the .50 is, it ain't THAT nasty. I've heard the hajis are terrified of the .50 and especially shotguns at close range, so lets just hope this video changed a couple of minds about grabbing an AK and taking pot shots at our troops because the assclown in the minaret made ANOTHER call for jihad...yawn.

Posted by: Jack'sSmirkingRevenge at September 03, 2006 10:50 PM (CtVG6)

60 Is this thread still alive? as a correction the US military does not use a .338 or better known as a 300win mag. Also said video first aired way back in first part of 2002. US navy sniper team took the shots, and it was observing taliban in the push to kabul or kandahar setting up ambush sites, presumably they were snipers themselves. As soon as I get more info I can relate. THis I got off of my Brigade webserver that still hosts the full video.

Posted by: DAT at September 04, 2006 02:29 PM (urCn3)

61 Ok same govt webserver got these from.... get this...http://www.rmvh.com/Scenes.htm... yes it is just a prank but nonetheless fun to think that they are taliban.... go to varmint safari 2, Rock chunks and you will see the same video

Posted by: DAT at September 04, 2006 02:37 PM (urCn3)

62 DAT-

I was a part of CJSOTF-S. We had snipers working with us from several different Nations, some of whom used the .338 (NOT THE SAME AS .300 WINMAG). I never said the .338 was a round used by the U.S. If you don't know what a .338 is, I say you have no experience with regards to the topic at hand.

"Video off your brigade webserver"? Doubtful. Or tell me what type of video camera the "us navy sniper team" was using (hint: they weren't carrying video cameras, I was living a few dozen meters away from most of them and we all carry roughly the same gear)?

THE VIDEO IS FAKE. END OF STORY.

Posted by: anonymous at September 04, 2006 08:29 PM (6JEUY)

63 varmits, not humans.

or else you are viewing violation of law of war using .50 cal against soft targets.

i haven't read the whole thread so forgive me if i'm repeating someone else.

Semper Fi.

Posted by: jcrue at September 05, 2006 01:30 PM (ZDQoM)

64 Dat: I want one.

Posted by: greyrooster at September 06, 2006 07:22 PM (5OGpF)

65 That is if it will do that to a big shark.

Posted by: greyrooster at September 06, 2006 07:24 PM (5OGpF)

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