January 21, 2006
Susanne Osthoff Hostage Taking a Hoax?
As the details of now released German hostage Susanne Osthoff emerge, the tale gets stranger and stranger. Remember, Ms. Osthoff was a convert to Islam and was in Iraq prior to the invasion. It was Susanne Osthoff who was one of those crying foul over all the looting of historical treasures from Iraqi museums, something that we now know was not nearly as severe as she and others made out. After a ransom was paid for her, news reports indicated that she may have been a German spy. At the time, I thought that might explain why she seemed to be so sympathetic to her hostage takers.
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Now, it turns out that Susanne Osthoff may have been complicit in her own kidnapping and that she was helping terrorist forces in Iraq.
Via Charles Johnson at LGF this Reuters story:
Part of the ransom money alleged to have been paid by the German government to win the freedom of Iraq hostage Susanne Osthoff last month was found on Osthoff after her release, the German magazine Focus said on Saturday.I would love to give Ms. Osthoff the benefit of the doubt. If there is another explanation for why part of the ransom money turned up in her possesion, I would love to hear it.Without citing its sources, Focus said officials at the German embassy in Baghdad had found several thousand U.S. dollars in the 43-year-old German archaeologist's clothes when she took a shower at the embassy shortly after being freed.
The serial numbers on the bills matched those used by the government to pay off Osthoff's kidnappers, the magazine said.
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Why are you always calling left wing foreigners who were kidnapped a bunch of hoaxers? You did this with Guiliana, you did this with the CPT peacekeepers who let me remind you are still missing and now you do this with Susanne. These human beings's lives were threatened. First of all, there is no confirmation Germany paid a ransom. Anybody could make it up because they don't like the politicians. Second, if ransom was paid, maybe the captors gave her some of their money because they thought she was pretty. I don't know. But seriously, you need to stop insulting people who were nearly kiled by sociopathic insurgents. I'm not trying to be far left because I'm not. I'm just saying be compassionate. Just because Guiliana and Susanne are far left radicals doesn't mean they faked their kidnapping. Jesus Christ, I knew this blog was far right but damn.
Posted by: George Ramos at January 21, 2006 05:22 PM (5E0ex)
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Let me take back the part about Germany paying ransom. After some research, I am now sure they did. I still don't know why Susanne had some of the money. My only guess is the captors gave her some as a "sorry for kidnapping you" gift. Kidnappers have been known for giving gifts to hostages they released. Still, I'm absolutely sure Guiliana did not fake her kidnapping. That's just crazy. Was she a communist? Yes! Did she hate the U.S.? Yes! Did she fake her kidnapping? Hell no. That's just crazy. You've stated that she looked in the camera when she begged for her life. Well what would you expect? Would you have liked her to look at the floor? I respect Guiliana. The poor woman saw a man die before her eyes. Make no mistake. I like you Rusty. I'm just saying don't criticize hostages who could have been beheaded just because they are left wing radicals. Thank you for your time. See you later.
Posted by: George Ramos at January 21, 2006 05:30 PM (5E0ex)
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Okay, as I understand what George writes, Osthoff had some ransom cash in her possession because (1) she was pretty or (2) she received "sorry for kidnapping you" money. I'm unconvinced. I expect there is something more logical that explains why she had the money. Let me suggest that she was included during the divvying up process.
Posted by: Mike at January 21, 2006 06:21 PM (hgdBT)
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Oh I so called this one I did!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 21, 2006 07:08 PM (0yYS2)
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George,
That is possible, of course. And I would love to believe that since it is much more charitable to her. But, it is kind of hard to believe.
That is possible, of course. And I would love to believe that since it is much more charitable to her. But, it is kind of hard to believe.
Posted by: Rusty at January 21, 2006 07:12 PM (JQjhA)
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Yes, you did, Maxi.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 21, 2006 07:12 PM (rUyw4)
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George P.S.
You'll notice the "hoax" is followed by a "?" and is therefore not to be taken as a definitive statement.
Also, there was another case where a former Bulgarian hostage in Iraq was arrested because he actually helped plan his own kidnapping along with a TV news crew. So, it's not unheard of.
You'll notice the "hoax" is followed by a "?" and is therefore not to be taken as a definitive statement.
Also, there was another case where a former Bulgarian hostage in Iraq was arrested because he actually helped plan his own kidnapping along with a TV news crew. So, it's not unheard of.
Posted by: Rusty at January 21, 2006 07:18 PM (JQjhA)
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probably a tip for a job well done.
Hey George, how about the 'gifts' they were giving to their hostages last year, a dull hunting knife.
Hey George, how about the 'gifts' they were giving to their hostages last year, a dull hunting knife.
Posted by: dave at January 21, 2006 08:18 PM (CcXvt)
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George, I know that when you are young and impetuous it is easy to admire the Susanne's and Guiliana's of the world. But I would point out to you that these people have an agenda, and part of that agenda is to damage the West and its will to fight the Islamists. I suspect both these women were complicit in their kidnappings, and even though I obviously have no hard evidence to support my conclusions, the actions of these people speak volumes.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 21, 2006 09:35 PM (rUyw4)
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Follow the money is always a good starting point. Whether you are right or left money corrupts.
Posted by: David at January 21, 2006 10:07 PM (BhVb3)
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Some among the German Left can't seem to help themselves when it comes to this sort of thing. Remember the Bader-Meinhof gang? They were populated by leftist "cowboys" only too happy to harm their own country's interests.
Not one of them was able to make a coherent argument for their actions.
Not one of them was able to make a coherent argument for their actions.
Posted by: Pigilito at January 22, 2006 03:34 AM (pXTtt)
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I suppose we could apply apply the "most obvious answer tends to be the right one" theory here. However, the fact that her interpreter was killed does lead me to wonder: either she is guilty of causing his death - or she really was kidnapped. If it's the former, she should be charged as an accomplice to murder. Being in possession of some of the ransom money does not look good.
I really don't know.
(Oh great! I couldn't use my URL as it was deemed "inappropriate content", so I put [dot] in there. Now the rest of it is being rejected. Someone at MuNu needs to look seriously at its filters. They've run amok.)
I really don't know.
(Oh great! I couldn't use my URL as it was deemed "inappropriate content", so I put [dot] in there. Now the rest of it is being rejected. Someone at MuNu needs to look seriously at its filters. They've run amok.)
Posted by: Oyster at January 22, 2006 08:02 AM (YudAC)
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I was asking the same question about if she were involved back when she got kidnapped. She just seemed like an odd target considering her background.
She probably believed that either they wouldn't harm her interpreter or she considered him expendable to the cause.
She probably believed that either they wouldn't harm her interpreter or she considered him expendable to the cause.
Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at January 22, 2006 08:40 AM (AlU3k)
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Maybe she turned a few 'tricks' before she was released. I'm pretty sure archaeology doesn't pay all that well.
Posted by: mark at January 22, 2006 10:17 AM (/I/Y7)
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I had a gut feeling from the start that this was a hoax designed to enrich this whore and her multitude of goatboy lovers.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 22, 2006 10:30 AM (0yYS2)
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well at least we know that what information we do have on this matter came from a usually reliable source and that it has been corroborated by at least one other independent source. lol Any conjecture on this matter probably reveals more of the pre-judging done by the individual then on the actual reality of the situation. With this little information it seems to definitely be a "think what you wish on this mater" item.
Posted by: john Ryan at January 22, 2006 01:15 PM (TcoRJ)
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Well, the German's are taking it seriously. Their parliamentarians want an investigation.
The BKA, who allegedly checked the serial numbers, has "no comment".
Only a stupid kidnapper would forget to ask for unmarked bills. Giving some to her could have been a way to find out if they were marked.
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Just throwin' stuff out there ... conjecturizing and all that.
The BKA, who allegedly checked the serial numbers, has "no comment".
Only a stupid kidnapper would forget to ask for unmarked bills. Giving some to her could have been a way to find out if they were marked.
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Just throwin' stuff out there ... conjecturizing and all that.
Posted by: Oyster at January 22, 2006 02:09 PM (YudAC)
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Her interpreter was expendable, brownshirt, he was a Christian. Perhaps that was part of the deal, also. I would not be surprised at anything these people do.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 22, 2006 02:40 PM (rUyw4)
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Any Westerner who converts to islam should be executed with all due and proper haste.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 22, 2006 11:02 PM (0yYS2)
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If an investigation turns up that she was complicit in a staged event that resulted in the death of her interpreter, I hope she swings... But I guess Germany doesn't do that sort of thing... anymore.
Also, maybe she had some of the cash on her because they were sending her out for pizza.
Also, maybe she had some of the cash on her because they were sending her out for pizza.
Posted by: Son Of The Godfather at January 23, 2006 03:44 AM (maXzk)
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I think when you say "swings" in Germany, they have something different in mind.
Posted by: NJSoldier at January 23, 2006 01:38 PM (1QKZf)
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They gave her 3000 Dollar, because they steal her 2700 Dollars, wich Susanne had at her place, as they kidnapped her. That you can read in German Newspapers today.
And till now, there is no indication, that the german goverment payd a ransom.
In my opinion, there is a smear campaign against her at the moment. Every day, there is another detail.
One day she is an a German spy, than she is helping terrorists. And tomorow?
Tobi, from Germany.
And till now, there is no indication, that the german goverment payd a ransom.
In my opinion, there is a smear campaign against her at the moment. Every day, there is another detail.
One day she is an a German spy, than she is helping terrorists. And tomorow?
Tobi, from Germany.
Posted by: Tobias at January 23, 2006 01:51 PM (7lAu7)
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I'm going with her helping the terrorists, Tobias. Just a hunch.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 23, 2006 08:01 PM (rUyw4)
Posted by: Son Of The Godfather at January 24, 2006 08:30 AM (maXzk)
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Dear blogger,
as many others articulating your opinion on a basis of quotations and newsflashes describing difficult circumstances within three sentances, will obviously make your opinion look like a puzzle you just started putting together and stop it because you already can imagine how the picture will look like.
If you would really be interested in cases like Osthoff and others and have doubts about anything unclear to you, you would do better research in finding more suitable and complex answers for yourself and your readers, instead of easily combining a plausible explanation on extraordinary circumstances out of your office chair.
By the way - according to german newspapers S.Osthoff got injured by a car hitting her recently...
as many others articulating your opinion on a basis of quotations and newsflashes describing difficult circumstances within three sentances, will obviously make your opinion look like a puzzle you just started putting together and stop it because you already can imagine how the picture will look like.
If you would really be interested in cases like Osthoff and others and have doubts about anything unclear to you, you would do better research in finding more suitable and complex answers for yourself and your readers, instead of easily combining a plausible explanation on extraordinary circumstances out of your office chair.
By the way - according to german newspapers S.Osthoff got injured by a car hitting her recently...
Posted by: miranda at January 27, 2006 01:06 PM (zOB+F)
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