1 Better to OUTLAW ISLAM  in the west. Deport the buggers back to their original countries. Their immigration to the west was an experiment that didn't work.

2

Please let me live long enough to see the glorious day of Mecca being turned into a redioactive glass parking lot. If that day was to ever come, are we then allowed to remove ourselves from the Geneva Convention nonsense. Napalm, and flame-throwers are too cool to have sitting on the sidelines.

3 We take 3 years to build up the nerve to return fire on mosque that are firing on us. We have lost the will and any return fire upon a attack would be out of the question. We have become pussies.

4 I would say we immediately take Pakistan and Iran.  Those two countries are where the vast majority of the global terrorism is eminating from.  Iran got their Islamic Republic and if they are going to continue to behave in an irresponsible manner, the world is going to take it away from them.  In Pakistan you now have islamists actively calling for the overthrow of a nuclear armed government.  The religion itself isn't the problem so much as the practice of it by certain groups.  That religion as practiced by the more radical factions is incompatible with modern culture.  It isn't sustainable.  They are killing each other faster than anyone else is killing them.

Islam is going to self destruct anyway or adapt to a practice that can get along with other people.

5 On the Mecca and Medina thing....I know enough about Islam and it's mechanics to know that it would only be a matter of days before one or more creative Mullahs would issue an edict declaring that in some previously misinterpreted passage the Koran actually predicted this. That book is so full madness I would just nod my head and say, "hmmm" if I were told that a "truther" had found a time machine and traveled back in time to dictate it. I love when somebody gives me that "the Bible is full of errors and contradictions too" line. Get out the books and lets read, shall we.....
Sorry, got off on a tangent there. The thing I'm getting at is that Islam was designed or evolved into(your pick) the religion equivalent of the cockroach. It ain't gonna die that easily even.

6 "In the event of a nuclear terrorist strike on the United States, both
Mecca AND Medina MUST suffer a nuclear strike in retaliation. It is the
ONLY response that makes sense."

The problem here is what do you say to more than a million Muslim Americans here in the US, some of whom are serving in our armed forces? Mecca and Medina are the holy sites for my Muslim neighbors, as well as the fanatics. Having gone to school with a few Muslim friends, I wouldn't want to look them in the eye and tell them I supported that. I'm sorry, but something like that is just off the radar in terms of what can be justified. Sure, it may be something you think about doing when you see another jihadi strap a bomb to himself and march into a crowded place, but in the final analysis, it's only an idle thought.

Does that mean we shouldn't nuke in retaliation? Hell no. Turn it into a glass parking lot if we have to, but we need to remember what makes us the good guys and not reduce ourselves to the thugs we're fighting.

7 Actually, annual detonations that preceed or occur on the pilgrimage each year, would also be advisable.  If you really want to go that far.  The fact is, if you do destroy the Holy Cities you do wreak havoc on thier prophecies, and I believe that would break Islam's back.  Yes, the hardcore loonies would still fight, and the leftists would join in, so it wouldn't be over yet, but if we have been nuked, it is just flat time to clean house on a global scale.                        
                                 USA, all the way!

8 "Muslim friends"  I'm not sure what that means ... I used to think I knew what that meant, but I'm not sure anymore ...
                                 
                              USA, all the way!

9 "what do you say to more than a million Muslim Americans"  Drop the Adjective!          USA, all the way!

10 Complete and utter bullshit. No way this or any other administration would ever have the balls to openly declare nuclear war on Islam as a whole (not just extremists) in the event of a dirty-bomb detonation here in the states. Bullshit.

11 While I would love nothing more than to see Mecca turned to glass and made uninhabitable for centuries, I cannot see our government having the intestinal fortitude to wage any attack on a religious site. I think we'd strike every inch of non-sacred soil before we'd hit Mecca or Madina. Those cities will always remain safe-havens for Islamists. We'd even allow every non-Islamic Holy site to be destroyed by these Islamic vermin, and still we'd avoid similar retaliatory strikes.

And as another poster stated, the Mullahs would just manipulate a Qur'an passage making the destruction of Mecca appear to be Allah's plan. Muslims would still pray to their meteorite, and they would simply find an alternative pilgrimage site.

12 Bombing Mecca would likely have the reverse effect. But I believe the real problem, the real danger is that the US has a huge nuclear arsenal and the current Islamic world dos not know what it could do or believes we would never resort to using nuclear weapons. This is a big mistake.
A most dangerous situation occurs when a country has the means to destroy another, but becomes a victim of a gross miscalculation.
Prior to being in that situation we need to impress on our terrorist enemies that a nuclear bomb is more powerful then an RPG, and that we will use them. Unfortunately the only way to do that is to drop one somewhere that will demonstrate our resolve. Perhaps that "lawless tribal region" on the Pakistan border would be a good spot. Many people today forget that during the above ground nuclear testing days we detonated 35 bombs a year and it didn't even cause Global Warming.

13 I agree the option of nuking Mecca, Medina must be kept open. But, in the mean time, another useful strategy is based on the realization that if it weren't for the oil revenue the barbarity of Islamism would've been geographically contained. It's Islamism's oil revenue that finances global terrorism. To win the global war on terror control of oil must be taken away from Islam.

14 In the event of a nuclear terrorist strike on the United States, both
Mecca AND Medina MUST suffer a nuclear strike in retaliation.

Sounds good to me.  If we get nuked, then all bets are off.  I don't give a crap what my "muslim friends" think.  Fuck em.  We're way past that if our cities get nuked.  Waaaay past that.

15 I agree with "On the Mecca and Medina thing....I know enough about Islam and it's
mechanics to know that it would only be a matter of days before one or
more creative Mullahs would issue an edict declaring that in some
previously misinterpreted passage the Koran actually predicted this."

It's a bit scary that someone who follows this closely enough to post in blogs and who says stuff like " By their own stupid rules," (the "preceding post" in the original jawa report) could think this would do anything but drive them to a more organized and focused fury. Their (meaning the folks subjugating their wills to the radical mullahs) rules -are- "stupid" -because- they don't make sense. Thinking you'll foist them on something of their own design when you know that "design" is irrational and fluid is... well, stupid.

16 I say we nuke em now. Then, if it turns out we were wrong, I'll take the blame.

17 Negative on Mecca and Medina. Crime against Humanity, just like nuking Jerusalem.

Riadh, Damascus and Tehran. And we give Jordan, Pakistan and Turkey some real hard looks.

18 I agree with the Paki-Afghan border solution, along with M&M, ground burst of 50 megaton each. Add Tehran, Riyadh, Sanaa, Damascus, and any place we think that OBL may be hiding, to the mix with the neutron bomb. (free housing for millions)

19 This is stupid on so many levels? If Rome gets nuked, will there be no Catholics? If Salt Lake City gets nuked, will there be no Mormons?
 
 

20 dick ,
 
I'm cool with that and TBinSTL is correct. A lot of people here are showing a profound misunderstanding of Islam by suggesting that the Mullahs would just find another holy site. Islam is incredibly ridged regarding certain aspects of Islam. Without Mecca and Medina Islam is toast. Destroying Mecca and Medina to Islam is the equivalent to proving that Jesus Christ never existed to Christianity. None of Islam’s holy site means anything without the existence of Mecca and Medina, that’s how important Mecca and Medina are to Islam. Eliminate Mecca and Medina and Islam collapses like a house of cards.
 
 
 
 
 
 
http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=16834

21 BohicaTwentyTwo,
 
 
This is stupid on so many levels? If Rome gets nuked, will there be no Catholics? If Salt Lake City gets nuked, will there be no Mormons?    
 
 

Neither Rome nor Salt Lake City hold even remotely hold the same significance to Catholics or Mormons that Mecca and Medina holds to Muslims. Proving that Jesus Christ never existed would hold a similar significance to Catholics or Mormons. The existence of Mecca and Medina is the foundation of Islam, just as the existence of Jesus Christ is the foundation of Christianity. Without that foundation all the rest of Islam falls apart. If you can’t pray towards Mecca or make your pilgrimage nothing you do will ever appease Allah, nothing period and there are no substitutions. No renaming of other holy site no secondary sites no backup plans nothing. The twelfth Imam can’t return, Islam cannot subjugate the entire world without the twelfth Imam, the consequences just continue to fall like dominos.  Mecca and Medina are Islam’s Achilles heal.

 
 
 
 
http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=16834

22 mojo,
 
Negative on Mecca and Medina. Crime against Humanity, just like nuking Jerusalem.
 
Sorry but that thinking ceases to have any value or merit after a nuke or dirty bomb goes off in America. Mecca and Medina not only become fair targets in the aftermath of such an attack they become the mandatory targets.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=16834

23 Rome destroyed a number of religions by killing the priests, stealing or destroying any idols, and destroying the temples. That struck those religions in the two weak points, removing the holy artifacts and locations that could not be replaced without those who knew the "secrets", the dead priests.

On one hand, Islam has the weakness of idolitors as they worship both a rock and a location, on the other, they do not have a priesthood based on "secrets". It could go either way. I suspect that it would not destroy the religion.

Neither Catholics nor Mormons worship the locations you mention. Destruction of those two locations would only strengthen the adherence of the believers to the faith. Bad analogy.

24 remember in 1941 nobody supported the wholesale destruction that by 1944 was just another enemy city destroyed. someday it might be very acceptable to give mecca and medina the dresden or hiroshima treatment

25  WAIT..people..some sanity..there is NO reason to resort to NUKES!
Those need to be saved for shaking at China, Russia et al.Three or Four Moabs would do exactly the same job, with no U.N. b.s. afterwards.Yes, I realize that if a city got nuked all bets would be off,
but we would still have to look at political reality:if We nuke, whats to stop China from Nuking Taiwan or Russia from Nuking various parts of Chechnya (and other Asian republics)?In other words, once we signal a precedent about nukes, there is no putting that particular genie away.
 If you doubt the destructive capability of the Mother of all Bombs,
feel to read the defense industries assessment. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/moab.htm 

26 Who to nuke? That's actually an easier question to answer than you think. These are the signs you want to look for: (1) any city where there is no law but Sharia law (2) the city has a theocratic government that forces citizens to wear clothes of a particular type and dictates male facial hair hygiene (3) within the city, burned out hulks of churches, cathedrals and temples dominate the landscape but the mosques are all nice and shiny (4) any city where headcutters roam the streets and kidnap people at random (5) any place where they still stone adulterers or drop brick walls on homosexuals (6) any city that fires rockets on a daily basis into a neighboring, non-antagonistic country without provocation (7) any city where primetime TV is filled with hateful, bigoted propaganda against Jews and Christians ( any city where religions other than Islam are not allowed to be encouraged or preached in public (9) any city where violent jihad against the west is encouraged in the local mosque (maybe just take out the mosque) (10) and finally, any city where women are treated like property and children are encouraged to kill in the name of their god. I think that pretty much covers it. Feel free to add to the list if you think I've left something off. Peace out.

27 RITA,
 
Sorry but the MOAB just doesnt cut the mustard. Big ass bomb, yes. Big enough bomb, not even close. The light glowing from Mecca and Medina needs to be seen from the planets circling Orion.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=16834

28

BohicaTwentyTwo, 
I have a ton of respect for your comments.

"If Salt Lake City gets nuked, will there be no Mormons?"  

No offense if I argue with you. There are different psychologies at work here. 

If Mecca CAN BE NUKED, it means either there is no Allah, Allah is NOT God, OR that Allah is not with those who claim Islam.  Otherwise, Mecca, and Medina should be spared by the will of Allah, and he should sweep our nukes away into the sky by waving his celestial hand.

Other 'primitive' religions have been broken by smacking thier 'god' in the face with a shovel. When faith is shallow, and based on 'acts', and rituals, it cannot survive major challenges to its core dogmas without changing.
Mormonism is a bit more modern, and handles earthly matters with more imagination. I believe it would be easier for Mormonism to survive radical challenges than for Islam. Unless of course, Islam manages to over-run and kill all the infidels BEFORE we break its heart.

I vote for shattering thier orthodoxy earlier rather than later.  If it gets to nukes on US soil, anyone who takes their side risks getting some also.  Yes, it is madness, and yet it is worse madness to simply allow this country to fail before such an evil, and go down without a fight!

USA, all the way!

29 "WAIT..people..some sanity..there is NO reason to resort to NUKES!
Those need to be saved for shaking at China, Russia et al."   It is insane to keep bluffing for over sixty years and expect nobody to call you on it. China and Russia, and any other nuclear dictatorship needs tosee us take nukes into serious considertion. And if a big enough, and deserving enough target gets in front of us, we need to prove the point that any war against us is suicide.  We have been bluffing for so long, now all the little distators want a nuke of thier own because they think we won't stop them. SANITY requires the whole planet get a wake up call,and we prevent any more nuclear armed states. Sanity also requires that dogmas of hate fueled by belief in a God of hate, be broken, and shattered into dust. All death cults must perish!                                  
                           USA, all the way!

30 The strategy of retaliation should be against the top ten Arab and Iranian cities.  Not Mecca or Medina.  Put them all in the same boat together.  That way all states who sponsor or tolerate terror will be held to account. But in order to deter it must be done first. After we are nuked I dunno. Ya gotta do something. Might as well go out in bright white flash.

31 "There are different psychologies at work here" - you got that right M.W. Can y'all really be this astray? Nuke God's planet. Go right ahead, I'm sure you can find psycological justification. But do not think you ever get to use the Lord's name again, because He will have nothing to do with you (I'm starting to suspect that might already be the case for some of you here).

32 There is a way to still be Muslim without the Hajj - Jihad. Dieing in Allah's cause is a free trip to heaven even if you messed up on all five pillars of Islam.

Plus, if a generation of Muslims is informed that an obligation on their faith and on their children in order to get into heaven is unavailable then they will be in favor of any crazy scheme to initiate the end of the world. The Hajj is not needed after Judgment Day.

Cue Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his 12th Imam plan with the nuking of Jerusalem and the Israel into the sea and the gnashing of teeth and the "Hey, hey - it hurts me!!!" 

33 I am not saying it is not a potential deterrent threat since it would definitely have an impact on Islam's longterm viability but it would not make for a better situation and I think there are far better threats to Islam's longterm viability like... reality. I know it may seem that many Muslims are immune to reality but kids have a weaker immunity to facts and new ideas. All that indoctrination can fool some of the people some of the time but all kids turn into teenagers and some begin to question things they have been taught.

And even if immigration and deportation could get every Muslim out of the West (every immigrant since anyone of any race or ethnicity could fake being an infidel) there would still come a day when some fishing boat in international waters launched an unmanned submersible with a nuke close enough to a river  that leads inland to a minor city or launches a primitive cruise missile. The Islamic world is not completely in the stone-age just because many of their beliefs and economies are backwards. Ultimately there is a war of ideas going on with stakes that are just as high as the war on terror. The West can not afford to pull up stakes on that front any more than can it capitulate to terrorists.

It is time for the West to start actually fighting on the ideas front by translating literary works into Arabic (since it is barely being done now by Arabs) so that they have something to read besides Religion, "Protocols" and "Mein Kampf". We need to develop real-time English/Arabic and English/Farsi translation software both so that we can all see but also respond to pro jihadi discussions on the Internet. We need to make real demands that any nation that wants so much as a dollar in trade or a dime in aid purges antisemitic and anti-Western hatred from their education systems and end persecution of bloggers and the press. 

34 Islam has already won in America. As soon as the government can start re educating the people to accept and submit to the new religion the better.
Nuke Mecca?
ROFLMAO America's leaders ain't got the guts to nuke much of anybody even should a nuke hit us first. No, The "damage to the enviroment and ecosystems beyond count will hasten global warming and doom us all" crowd will step in and put a stop to this.
Islam is the new wave of religion and will be pushed by our own leaders and it's way too late to even speak of nuking anybody.
Besides the holy cube will just be transported to heaven by Allah until the jews are all destroyed and Islam is the law of the land. This is what the Islamic leadership will say to tell their fpolks what happened.
Nuke Mecca LOL what a floggin' joke.

35 There is one candidate who would retaliate in kind.
I won't mention his name in this context but lets say he knows
what might need to be done.

My only litmus test for a president is would he retaliate in kind.

36  No, they wouldn't see the bombing of the Holy cities as Allah abandoning them, they would see it as Allah chastening them for being too moderate.
I'm not kidding about this, I know of which I speak. I lived in Cairo and studied the Koran in school for a few years(it was part of the curiculum at my school). They had us read certain portions that were less controversial but I read the whole damn thing, in Arabic and though it has been 30 odd years now, I can tell you that  I knew then and still know today that we are dealing with a trully inspired work of mind control and unreality here.
 My comparison to cockroaches was one I came up with back then when I was a young teenager and it remains apt. The only thing that might be more directly comparable would be a shoggoth.
 The "nuke Mecca" idea is a conveinient mental dodge telling ourselves that if it gets "really bad" we can deal with it in a quick but dirty way at the last minute. Do I know the solution? I've got some ideas, but I'm not sure what will work considering our people's lack of endurance and willingness to face the reality of this threat.
 

37 Yeah us nuking Mecca or Medina will never happen. If a terrorist nuke goes off in the US, the consensus will be: 'we don't know who to bomb in retaliation, so we can't in good conscience bomb anybody right now.' And that would be regardless of which party is in the White House.
 
Nahh- we're screwed.

38 The image of 1.5 billion(?) Moslems bowing 5 times daily towards a smoking, radioactive crater at a place once called Makkah does give one some satisfaction.

39 Good LT, what was that you were saying about 'wild eyed nuttery'?

40 I volunteer to personally nuke mecca.
I swear by all that is Christian and Holy that if I am given a nuke and allowed to parachute into the cesspool called mecca, that I will detonate it the instant I get close enough to destroy it.
They seem to love suicide bombers so lets see what they think of this one.