1 Ah, yes, the moral compass of the people who have supported the insurgents and their beheading videos has turned 180 degrees, and now they want to criticize the Saddam hanging video. The hypocrisy of the Left can't be measured, and is now off the Richter Scale.

Incidentially, I have not watched the Saddam hanging, nor do I intend to. It's enough for me to know the bastard is dead.

2 Due to the “outrage” over the video of Saddam being hanged,

These are the same people who supported the jihadi sniper videos on CNN.  We mustn't censor the truth, they said.  Now look at them.  Leftards should all eat shit and die.

3 Hey! I put up info for a link this time.
No huge comments, or any desperate cut and paste.

Just this teaser:
WASHINGTON (AFP) - Former Iraqi president Saddam Hussein was an avid reader, fed birds and told jokes while he was in US custody, an American military nurse who looked after him said in interviews with US media.

Link:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070102/pl_afp/iraqexecutionsaddamus_070102153301

And remeber guys, this is only the beggining. The MSM left will want to paint a new legacy for SADDAMN, and are off to a wonderful start. Such a sweet guy, he even fed the little birdies ... AAWWWWH!

BTW, I haven't watched the vid either. It's just good to know this awful example of a human being is gone.

USA, all the way!

4 According to the MSM, our people new this would look bad.  CNN.com reports that U.S. officials tried to delay the execution out of fears that it would be "more about Shiite retribution and less about justice".  Based on what we saw on that cell phone video, I'd find it hard to argue with that.

5 Why do they care that Saddam was not given respect at his execution? He deserved it. It's not like we cut out his eyes.

6 WASHINGTON (AFP) - Former Iraqi president Saddam Hussein was an avid reader, fed birds

Yes, he also had people fed feet first into plastic shredders, but let's remember his 'kindness' to birds..

7 According to the MSM, our people new this would look bad.  CNN.com
reports that U.S. officials tried to delay the execution out of fears
that it would be "more about Shiite retribution and less about
justice".

But wait, I thought the Iraqis do our bidding and the execution was being controlled by Karl Rove.  I guess not.  If you have a problem with Saddam's demise, talk the good muslims who executed him.  But nooooo, it's still all about "Bush."  My god these Leftards are retarded.

8 Former Iraqi president Saddam Hussein was an avid reader, fed birds

Who doesn't read a lot and feed birds when they're in solitary.  MSM dumbasses.

9 I drank cold Foster's bitter beer, and had pork skins,(hot), to his death this past weekend around a camp fire.

10 It's about Bush in the eyes of the world, correctly, because he set the whole chain of events in unnecessary motion. The US also stage-managed the trial in meaningful degree. If the Shia wish in this instance escaped US final veto, and if the Sunni insurgency is even modestly increased in number or motivation, that's a defeat. If the
Sunni insurgency has an increase in funding from outside Sunnis  angry at the US for allowing or enabling the  Shia vengeance, that's a defeat. It's Jesusland whose in "political denial" charitably put.

11 The US also stage-managed the trial in meaningful degree.

I believe that's called begging the question.  But Saddam's execution-- despite U.S. wishes-- has put that question soundly to rest.  We can see for ourselves that the Iraqis do as they please, and they needed no prodding from "Bush" to put Saddam in shackles and then the gallows.

12 It's about Bush in the eyes of the world, correctly, because he set the whole chain of events in unnecessary motion.
Yes, if you put aside that pesky '3,000 people dead in a terrorist attack' event. Your thoughts must literally claw themselves up from your their inner-sanctum in the rectum, to your fingertips.

13 The world stands even more aghast at that sentiment. Iraqis and
Saddam had no part in 9/11 and Bush using that obfuscation as helpful aide has won him scorn worldwide-and undermined the
longer "war on terror" by bringing early a healthy dose of cynicism-
cum -taedium  to the American public whose support for its early phase stands at about 20%

14 I have no problem admitting that Bush set that whole "chain of events" in motion if by chain of events you mean the liberation of a country and execution of a tyrant.  Bush is guilty as charged.

15 Ken Hoop: I didnt think sand people could talk through those masks?

16 true

17 Iraq "liberated?" 16 of 18 provinces after four years still
rated unsafe. Anbar province still insurgency-controlled.
A spoke of Bush's "axis of evil", Iran, with dominant influence
in the new government.
Yeah, liberated..not even as much as East Germany was after
the US did its "liberation" thing in WW2.

18 rated unsafe.

Ken,

it's too late in the day for me to play Leftard word games with you.  Suffice it to say that safe and liberated don't mean the same thing.

19 that was me.

20 BEFORE MSM EDITING:

"Former Iraqi president Saddam Hussein was an avid reader, fed birds and told jokes while he was in US custody, an American military nurse who looked after him said in interviews with US media."


AFTER MSM EDITING


"Former Iraqi president Saddam Hussein was an avid reader of Mien Kampf, fed birds into shredders, and told holocaust jokes while he was pampered in US custody, an American military nurse who had to look at him, said in interviews with Liberal Biased media."


Just kidding, but it was 'truthy' wasn't it?


USA, all the way!

21 The bedrock foundation of "liberty" is law and order,Zuniga.
Without elemetary safety ,no one is free. And I'm a Right
Nationalist of the Buchanan mold except unlike he, I made
a permanent break with the GOP and the two party system
long ago. Your faux neoconservatism discredits the real
thing, found in amconmag.com.

22 They're free as hell to kill each other if they want. I know you prefer the methods of old - killing one side to keep them in order - but now everyone gets a crack at the other side. Right or wrong it sure does sound fairer!

23 yup i know exactly what you mean

24 The bedrock foundation of "liberty" is law and order

Law, yes.  But not order.  Democracy is messy, especially emerging democracies. 

If you want "order" go to North Korea.  They got plenty of that.

25 Ken Poop:


First the Taliban were wiped out, and now Saddam is dead. Assad in Syria and the Mullahs in Iran are next. The nuclear option for North korea has been on the table since 911. The islamopithecines and the left are running out of heroes, and they're terrified. Your panic is all too clear to see. (Yes, you're a de facto leftist at the very least. Buchananite paleocons are so far to the right they've circled to the left. Except for illegal immigration, their foreign policies of appeasement and cowering are the same--not that I actually believe you're a libertarian paleocon.)


The sunnis and other terrorists in Iraq aren't acting up as much as they were. They're quaking in fear. They're starting to realize that if they get their wish, and they're able to push the America-last left into abandoning Iraq, there will be no Americans there to protect them from the shites and Kurds--who make up 80% of the population. They also have no sunni leader to long for, and realize they may end up dead just like him.


The so called world community is also starting to come to grips with reality. America is benevolent, but our patience is no longer unlimited.


Saddam's execution, though carried out by Iraq, is seen as a huge victory for the Bush Doctrine, and the left is shitting itself with spin. The Orwellian attempt to spin it into a failure isn't working, and even Harry Gollum Reid was meek and non-confrontational when he accepted leadership of the Senate today.


Reality is starting to set in. Suck it up, Ken.

26 Ken Poop: What is your solution? Or are you  a typical lefturd commie without one.

27 Jeff Bargholz-you must be an astuteblogger.blogspot.com fan.
He (unreliable reliapundit) has been crowing that Syria and Iran are on the ropes for  two years because of the brilliant Bush strategy.
 
No, they're stronger than ever,as any neutral commentator will
tell you as is Hezbollah in Lebanon.America's military is stretched
thin and tattered-if Bush attacks Iran, say goodbye to the exposed
troops in Iraq,courtesy alSadr/Sistani Shias who have vowed to
protect Iran. The Sunni insurgency is resilent and skimming off
significant oil profits to subsidize itself. They will be given
amnesty by the new Iraqi government ,including killers of US
troops, as a pre-requisite for peace. The sooner the better
unless you wish more US casualties.

28 Greyrooster
 
My solution is "out now!" Redeploy..all the way to the Rio Grande.

29 Ken Poop:


You're severely reality challenged, even by P.C. leftist standards.


Mosy of hizb' allah's terrorist cannon fodder were wiped out by the IDF several months ago.


Syria has never been strong. When baby Assad took over when poppa died, it got even weaker. Turkey and Israel are both fed up with Assad. American troops are on his Southern border ready to rock, and his army is a joke.


Amadjihad in Iran just had every single one his candidates get their asses kicked in general elections. The people are calling for the ouster of the mullahs openly, and the police and army refuse to obey the ayatollah's orders and crack down on them. Their continued nuclear weapons program guarantees a military response from President Bush, as he has vowed many times.


Our military is not stretched at all, and Mook al Sadass couldn't protect an apple from a worm.


The sunis are neither well funded nor well organized, and continue to live at the tolerance of the Kurds and shites. They are not getting ANY money from oil revenue--it's one of the reasons they're pissed off, you raging ignoramus--and they will not be given any amnesty, which you would know if you followed the real news instead of moonbat propaganda.


Only you leftards enjoy U.S. casualties. If 3000 Americans die killing hundreds of thousands of terrorists, that's unfortunate, but hardly a sign of failure.


How are things in FantasyLand, asshole?

30 Bargholz is an ill-informed dunce. The CIA recent estimation of
Sunni insurgent ranks and money rated it stronger than ever
and with many years left of fight in it. Turkey and Syria are
on good terms--and polls taken of Iranians show even those
opposed to the Islamic conservatives defend their nation's
aspirations for nuclear energy.
 
How are things well out of harm's way, moron? Makes it a little
easier to ignore when another thousand or so are tacked on
to the US troop losses-which can be avoided if they are
methodically brought home, but not if they stay in another year's worth of quagmire.

31

Jeff has a lot more going for him than he gets credit for. By way of example, he understands that any withdrawal that is not the result of a clear US victory, will make things worse. Jeff is dead accurate when he says that Ken Hoop is living in a fantasy land. Ken thinks the bad guys won't chase you if you run away, but anyone knows we have no place to run even if we were such limp and feeble cowards as would do such a thing.

The world is to small to run away and hide. A dedicated predator will always dig juicy prey from its hole. Ken thinks we can come home, dig a deep tunnel and hide there. If Ken, and the other isolationists think non-engagement works, then I suggest they try non-engageing here. But hey, lets suppose Ken is right, and worms can crawl deep enough to avoid being eaten. DOES ANYONE HERE WANT TO BE A WORM? I mean besides Ken.

No isolationist can be properly regarded as understanding modern jet/atomic age geopolitics. The world is to small, and to close together.
 
Ken likes "Baker" realism, which reminds me of the realism of another famous man named Neville Chamberlain. Its basically the same thing. Go to the local dictator, and get him to give you his word he won't fuck things up. Get him to sign something, That will look real good.
 
Of course afterwards we all know you have trouble, because the dictator will lie! They always do! The realists will pave the road to success for the dictator, and then all hell breaks loose. OH THANK YOU FUCKING REALISTS! Thanks! For letting dozens of millions die because you couldn't find your balls with both hands, a compass, and a copy of "Courage for Dummies"!

If Ken doesn't know his world history, he has no business at all calling anyone "an ill-informed dunce".

Please note, that to Ken, if your not active duty military, but support victory for our boys who are, your a "Chicken Hawk". Your opinion on the war doesn't count! You may have family, or friends fighting. You may have a defense industry job. You may just read the paper and vote your conscience. But your all "Chicken hawks" to hypocrite Ken. Oh he likes to blather on about his opinion on the war, but I doubt he has built any Iraqi schools, or trained any Iraqi forces either. He is an "isolationist chicken." Hiding under his blanket believing the world won't come and eat his chicken ass.

Oh yeah, read him and weep.

I was just talking to one of my friends from over there, a Marine. I listened to him, not Nancy 'Appeasement' Pelosi, or John 'Treason;' Murtha. Nor John  'stuck in denial' Kerry.  And my friend would never, ever call me a 'chicken hawk.' I think he needs to read Mr Hoop  because I don't think he got to know any appeasing cowards while with his unit in combat. It might amuse him to see how evolved cowards have become. Now instead of crying for mommy, they cry for James Baker. Since neither has a dick, I suppose its a fair comparison.

So come on back Ken, if your reading this. Tell us again how giving the sweet adorable dictators concessions will lead to lasting peace. Tell us how we can tuck tale, and not savage our national morale, or that of our fighting men. Tell us oh great and wise priest of the isolationists. Tell us, oh he who says 'its not my problem'! Make the bad men go away with nice words from your mouth oh great god of 'realism'!  SHOW US THE WAY!!!!

No really! Come on and tell us what we need to give the hateful bastards who run these little totalitarian regimes! Should we gift wrap our concessions first, or should we just send them clutched to the naked breasts of our virgin daughters? Do you think thats enough? Gosh, maybe we should all convert to Islam while were at it. I bet that will appease some of them, if we pick the proper sect.

In case you hadn't noticed, I'm sick of the runny sewer sludge that passes for ethical leadership from any appeaser, or isolationist, or defeatist. I could give a big bean burritto crap which party they are affiliated with. And I'd like to make them eat one!

So what do we sacrifice Ken? do you have your crappy arguement about 'sacrificing our troops' ready! Well don't bother,. If we actually fought, instead of trying to dance, we wouldn't lose troops. War would be half as dangerous as driving in Detroit, or Montana.

So what do we sacrifice Ken? Our national honor may mean nothing to you, but to us it goes with self respect. We respect ourselves, our boys, and the republic they represent. Their honor is not for sale to some dictator who supports hanging a teenage girl for holding a boys hand in public. Not one of our Marines would stand for it given a choice, but you would see them ORDERED TO DO JUST THAT!

What do we sacrifice Ken? Do we sacrifice this chance to keep our dog in the fight, where the effort to prevent a world war may actually succeed?, or do we sacrifice dozens of millions later because we hid under a blanket of delusions, and lies and did nothing?

I will never support Ken Hoop's brand of weakness. I grant him only that I recall he seems to support troops on the Mexican border, and at least that sounds like  it is doing something besides hiding.

Don't hide! Go out and meet the enemy head on!
USA, all the way!

32 Realists only go half-way. I am an America First nationalist
slightly to the right of Buchanan. The US Empire IS "the bad guys,"
conducting an immoral and illegal war in Iraq. And a no-win war.
Naturally I prefer Baker's realism to the Israel-first neconservatism
that captured Bush. I don't need to tell you, the majority of
military men oppose the "surge." The Military Times poll of US
troops shows only a modest minority of them still support Bush
or his concept of the mission. And the GOP support/membership
of military has dipped to 46%.
 
American intervention in the Mideast? Hell no! If we had the kind
of "ruling class" writ large that would force Israel off the West
Bank as surely as forcing, say, Saddam out of Kuwait, I still
wouldn't support intervention, though the Moslem/Arab world
might have a more complacent attitude about it.
 
We were put on notice in the 1970s to develop our own
energy sources and if we had, we wouldn't have the excuse
of intervening. Islamic enemies chasing us here if we left?
The propaganda of the military industrial complex and
those to whom Israel's security is paramount. Of an equal
verity as LBJ's warning we would be fighting the Reds in
Los Angeles if we didn't beat them in Vietnam.
 
America WILL come home. Hopefully without and before  major losses in an expanded Mideast cauldron.
 

33 We are fighting the commies in the region of LA, so I there you go. Isolatioism will never work again, for any nation which would not be slaves. it is a funtional imposibility to pursue successful isolationism in the modern world.
 
 
 
 
You keep referencing the leftist media spun information as a source. The Military Times poll  is suspect because of the handling of it, from beggining to end. That includes its misrepresentation by others, and the lack of context. It is like a zogby poll, only slightly more trustworthy. Widen your search.
 
 
 
 
USA, all the way!

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