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July 31, 2006

Qana : So Far, More Questions Than Answers

Everyone seems to be condemning the carnage at Qana, but no one seems to have succeeded in putting together a full explanation for exactly what happened. Viewed with only a few facts in mind, the story makes a certain amount of sense. The IDF hit a building with a bomb. After the bomb hit the building, the building collapsed. After the building collpsed, dead bodies were found in the rubble. Given the above facts, one might presume that the bomb caused the building to collapse and the collapse of the building killed the people. As we learn more facts, however, it appears that the story may not be quite so cut-and-dried.

From the facts as they presently appear, the building in Qana was hit by an IAF air strike sometime between midnight and 1:00 am, and collapsed sometime between midnight and 8:00 am. Hizb'Allah claims the building collapsed immediately after it was hit. The IDF claims they have evidence the building didn't collapse until approximately 8:00 am. The IDF's reputation for veracity is about 1,000 time higher than Hizb'Allah's, so I'm going to give the IDF the benefit of the doubt on this one.

The building's collapse resulted at least partly from combination of the air strike and the passage of time. There's a possibility that something else happened to the building eight hours later. If the building collapsed as a result of only the air strike and the passage of time, we can expect the building would've shown visible signs of significant structural damage after the air strike and before its collapse. If this is true, it's hard to believe anyone could consider the building a safe place to be hanging out after receiving a bomb hit sufficient to bring it down. Perhaps a structural engineer could address whether a building on the verge of total collapse might appear sound to the untrained eye.

Apparently, it's generally agreed that approximately 50 dead women and children were found in the rubble of the building sometime after its collapse. Either they were killed by the airstrike at midnight, killed by the collapse of the building eight hours later or killed by something other than the air strike or the building collapse.

If the women and children were killed by the airstrike, it seems very strange that the corpses would be left in the building for eight hours, unless no one in the village knew the building had been hit, which seems unlikely. Assuming it was known that the building had been hit, how could the people of the village know that all the "corpses" were dead? Wouldn't there normally be an evacuation of the survivors and the corpses? If the women and children were killed by the collapse of the building, it seems very strange that living women and children would be placed in a building which had been hit by an air strike and was showing signs of structural damage.

Hizb'Allah has definitely been milking the Qana event for every ounce of propaganda value. We haven't yet seen any conclusive evidence that the building collapse itself was a staged event, but there may be more here than first meets the eye.

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1 Good questions indeed, but after reading this post at EU Referendum, there are even more questions that need to be addressed:

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/07/milking-it.html

Posted by: Ariya at July 31, 2006 03:25 PM (yHb0A)

2 Must be some top secret weapon that doesn't kill men?

Posted by: QC at July 31, 2006 03:37 PM (PX+vn)

3 - Collect dead women and children in ,make-shift' morgue.
- Park rocket launchers next to building
- Wait till boom.
- If boom not close enough, make own boom.
- Wait for media
- Pull out 'dead' women and children
- Hold them up like dead fish prizes for the cameras.

Posted by: Patton at July 31, 2006 03:59 PM (vEIZF)

4 Witnesses also claim there were two explosions, the second one happening a minute or two after the first. Ammo dump?

Posted by: Chad Evans at July 31, 2006 04:02 PM (+0rMT)

5 The problem is that even if it was staged the propoganda has already spread, and like the cartoon war, the truth no longer matters.

It doesn't seem to matter in this propogandized war what Israel and America actually does, since we can be set up and falsely accused so easily and effectively. I think we need to fight to win this war against radical islam and not worry so much about the spin. we know who we are and we do not seek to kill innocent children.

Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at July 31, 2006 04:06 PM (aH6Zf)

6 A conspiracy theory involving the Jews, that is more of a Greg area

Posted by: davec at July 31, 2006 04:19 PM (voZp6)

7 You guys sound like the people who think Mossad pulled off the 9-11 attacks. Admittedly, the evidence for this is not as crushing as the evidence that Islamofascists did 9-11, but I hope you remain persuadable on this if the facts don't follow your fantasies/wishes.

Look, I've seen nothing credible that says the building waiting 8 hours to collapse. But let's suppose it didn't. You asked why would the bodies be in there 8 hours later. ARE YOU HIGH? This is some isolated village in the middle of a war zone. Trucks, buses, and cars and ambulances have been blown sky high on all the roads around. The village was under attack. Who was going to go excavate them in the night? How would word get out that 50 people were killed?  Who would come get them, since there isn't a functioning government in that part of Lebanon?

I'm a firm believer that Occam's Razor should apply here. I believe the Israelis that Hezbollah was firing rockets from right around there. I believe the Israelis when they say they weren't targeting the building.  I'm sure Hezbollah is lying that they weren't there.  But they don't have the foresight, the institutional structure, to manufacture something this big. And they don't NEED to. They knew if the war went on long enough, by the law of averages, some Israeli ordinance would cause a massacre.  It happened in 96, in the same spot.

There is no need to create embarrassingly stretched and far-fetched conspiracy theories to excuse the event. It was entirely predictable that this would happen. If you believe that the Israeli response was justified, this shouldn't change your mind. You just look unsure in your convictions as you stretch and strain to somehow make this okay. It's war.  In an air war against insurgents in populated areas, this is going to happen, even with smart bombs and humanitarian intentions. Is Hezbollah glad this happened? You bet. Is it bad news for Israel and their weapons supplier, us? You bet.

Posted by: jd at July 31, 2006 04:22 PM (xhBN1)

8 Even if it wasn't a hoax, those dead civilians are not Israel's responsibility. Israel did not target them, and shit happens in war. Too bad, so sad. The Lebs should have thought of that before giving Israel a reason.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at July 31, 2006 04:25 PM (8e/V4)

9 You're right, Dreamer. Israel should now increase the pressure with an all-out assault. To let Hizb'Allah survive will be a serious mistake, and will cost Israel dearly in the future. This is probably the one and only time they will get to deliver a knockout blow to Hizb'Allah.

Posted by: jesusland joe at July 31, 2006 04:25 PM (rUyw4)

10 Where I'm skeptical is the number killed. It's a moving target, and while it is tough for those on the ground to count, since there is no functioning government and damn few hospitals or morgues that aren't out of operation or jammed and overworked, it is entirely to Hezbollah and Amal's and the Lebanese government's interest to boost the numbers as much as possible. So I'm skeptical about all the casualty counts. But the idea that this was some kind of Hezbollah media plot is ridiculous. Some of the stuff Bluto posted was pretty convincing about staging a few incidents in the long running war of the intifadah. But this really would have taken Hollywood preparations, including having sufficient corpses available for use, and not putrefied ones, either--they'd have to be reasonably fresh. OK, so they take eight hours to round up living Arabs, and convince them to get into a buildling in the middle of the night and then blow it up...

Seriously, this is some dumb shit you guys are working with. Stay here on planet earth, please.

Posted by: jd at July 31, 2006 04:26 PM (xhBN1)

11 jd, I see you are back using your own nick.

Posted by: jesusland joe at July 31, 2006 04:27 PM (rUyw4)

12 JD. The reporters didn't seem to have any trouble getting there. Hezbollah didn't seem to have any trouble getting to the reporters. Not a single body was removed before the reporters got there. You are just in denial of all the other evidence and harping on one disputed fact.

You believe Hamas to be primitive and too stupid to pull that off (racist?). Just what do you base that on? Arabs are just too dumb?

You know they are not you know regardless they are playing this for all it's worth. You know they place the launchers in Christian neighborhoods rather than Muslim one every single time they get that chance. All civilians are on a side it's just the way it is. Hesbollah is laughing it's ass off at our concern for out enemys casualties. Yes they are spot on sharp. You keep writing them off like that and soon you'll be the dead civilian and they won't give a shit.

Posted by: Darth Odie at July 31, 2006 04:36 PM (D3+20)

Don't get me wrong it's tragic but I'm not going to let my emotions override logic.

Posted by: Darth Odie at July 31, 2006 04:37 PM (D3+20)

Hizbollah is getting it's ass kicked and is desparate to find ways to get the international community to say: " Bad dog " to Israel, all the while maintaining their non-humiliating posture of perserverance and victory over the enemy. Don't expect them to think rationally like us. They are deviant in mind and deed!

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at July 31, 2006 04:38 PM (gLMre)

15 What bothers me is that we in the West are getting so upset over the deaths of a few civilians in a war zone that we even worry if it was staged or not. So what? Why should we care? I, for one, don't give a gerbil's patoot. The notion that ruthlesness and civility are mutually exclusive, and that ruthlessness in defense of one's own culture is incompatable with advanced civilization, well that idea is the suicide pact of the Western countries. I think it's high time we get the heck over it. No war in history that has been fought to a decisive conclusion has ever NOT resulted in the deaths of numerous civilians, and most of them are going to be on the losing side. Too bad, so sad, but I JUST DON'T CARE about anything but winning this war.

Posted by: Hucbald at July 31, 2006 04:58 PM (nznaK)

I think all the dead were from two Muslim families. I'm aware that Hezbollah in the north has been putting equipment near Christian neighborhoods. I don't doubt that they do that for a moment. Lebanon is heading for an ugly civil war. The Cedar Revolution was one of the great successes of Bush's foreign policy. Working with the French, they kicked the Syrians out of Lebanon, and started Lebanon on the long road back to peace and democracy. And free markets. All that is in ashes now.

Posted by: jd at July 31, 2006 05:01 PM (xhBN1)

17 I guess the ban got removed. Still never heard what it was about. But thanks, Jawas. Much appreciated.

Posted by: jd at July 31, 2006 05:02 PM (xhBN1)

18 I was trying to think of a clever pun involving the miraculous transmutation of something to 'whine', but I couldn't.

Posted by: George guy at July 31, 2006 05:02 PM (QkOQC)

19 jd, I'm absolutely sure that Lebanon would not have been able to deal with Hizb'Allah, whether Israel had attacked Hizb'Allah, or not. Having a group of terrorists operating insided your country fully armed, and frankly, more militarily capable than that nation's army hardly inspires visions of ultimate democracy. It was only a matter of time before Hizb'Allah, goons of Syria and Iran, took over the government of Lebanon. They were already de facto rulers, as they had a veto over Lebanese policy vis a vie Hizb'Allah. And there was something about that UN resolution to disarm Hizb'Allah. How did that work out?

Posted by: jesusland joe at July 31, 2006 05:14 PM (rUyw4)

20 On September 16, King Hussein declared martial law. The next day, Jordanian tanks (the 60th armored brigade) attacked the headquarters of Palestinian organizations in Amman; the army also attacked camps in Irbid, Salt, Sweileh and Zarqa making no distinction between civilians and the guerrillas. Then the head of Pakistani training mission to Jordan, Brigadier Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq (later Chief of Army Staff and President of Pakistan), took command of the 2nd division.
The armored troops were inefficient in narrow city streets and thus the Jordanian army conducted house to house sweeps for Palestinian fighters and got immersed in heavy urban warfare with the inexperienced and undisciplined Palestinian fighters.
Hussein has often been criticised because of the ordering of 'random' attacks, however, many justify Hussein's decisions, saying that he was out of options. For example, Queen Noor, Hussein's wife, described in her bestseller book title Leap of Faith how serious things were, how many people were killed by the Palestinian groups, and the fact that Hussein didn't actually want to do anything violent, but he was forced to.

King Hussein of Jordan knew the dangers of having a terrorist state, inside a state ~ he took actions to stop it. However it does not seem he was vilified for the actions he took, even though he was forced into a campaign of the same nature.

Posted by: davec at July 31, 2006 05:43 PM (voZp6)

21 All-Seeing Eye ...
OK, I'm a little skeptical of your facts and by extension the conclusions you draw from them. There are a lot of "apparentlies" and "seems very stranges" in your post. But that's alright, they can be held up to scrutiny I'm sure. Where can I find the details of timelines you're using between bombing and collapse and maybe some of the other unanswered questions?

Posted by: glenn at July 31, 2006 05:52 PM (oxMjD)

22 After being buried in the three story building collapse one might expect to see considerable crush damage to the bodies. But in the photos none is seen,

Posted by: agesilaus at July 31, 2006 05:57 PM (WcB3E)

23 Are you so blind?
Little children!
Don't make excuses.

Posted by: Cedar Revolution at July 31, 2006 06:13 PM (q5wwn)

24 Agesilaus,
Less than half of the bodies came out in one piece.
CNN said "it would be inappropriate to show" some of what was caught on film. The bodies were dismembered for the most part. Get your facts straight.

Posted by: Cedar Revolution at July 31, 2006 06:18 PM (q5wwn)

25 Joe--I absolutely agree. Hezbollah was a time bomb waiting to go off. Israel was provoked. But it was almost inevitable. The Lebanese government was much stronger than it had been but still a long way away from strong enough to remove Hezbollah.

And I agree with Dave C. There's a double standard at work. Hussein was a visionary for peace by the time of his death, and people forgot the Arab on Arab violence (or, the more sophisticated remembered that Arafat was a filthy liar, and that it would have meant a coup if they didn't get booted). If you want real Arab on Arab brutality, read up on Hama some time. That was worse than anything the Israelis have done.

But this is not an exclusively Arab problem. Native Americans were treated with extreme brutality by the Europeans, including the famous "Nits make lice!" slogan, which newspapers and soldiers promulgated to encourage the killing of children and infants. But it was just as brutal as the way Native Americans treated each other when two tribes came into conflict. What do Native Americans complain about today? You got it.

It's kind of like Jawa doesn't spend a lot of time on Oklahoma City...

Posted by: jd at July 31, 2006 06:19 PM (xhBN1)

26 I have to question the IDAF tactics. If you go to the Kevin Sites blog on Yahoo you'll see that he interviewed a member of Hizballah. He's a reserve guy. He showed Sites the RPG and 3 assault rifles he had and said that it's normal of a family that has a member in Hizballah to keep a few weapons in their house for protection. And the guy said that the heavier weapons are stored in much safer places. So why is the IDAF targeting these launch pads, which are just places in the street or in mosque courtyards which are in populated areas, that can just be put down elsewhere and not targeting the areas where the rockets actually are! I still hear rockets are hitting Israel.

Posted by: Some Dude at July 31, 2006 06:37 PM (WW510)

27 CNN gets its reporting from stringers. From what population do you suppose those stringers arise? Amish? Jewish? Christian Lebonese? Hezballah agents?

There is no truth in this war, merely propaganda.

Posted by: MCPO Airdale at July 31, 2006 06:43 PM (3nKvy)

28 You want to talk about Oklahoma City jd? Okay, lets; McVeigh and Nichols belonged to a white supremacy sect who, like you, blamed the Joooooos for everything, and were likely aided by muslims operating out of the Filipines, where Nichols frequently went under the auspices of finding a Filipino wife. OKC was very likely an al Qaeda backed operation.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 31, 2006 06:45 PM (v3I+x)

29 Keep going guys -

Soon enough, you'll have this whole ugly business sorted out. And all from the comfort of your own easy-chairs.

Respect.

Posted by: Bertrand at July 31, 2006 06:49 PM (BV7IP)

30 John Doe 2 was said to be a Middle Easterner.
But the more likely nationality was Iraqi.
In the '91 war, many Iraqi Generals and Colonels made deals with the U.S. before the war even started.
They were repatriated to OKC.
The government has never released videos in evidence that would settle this matter once and for all. They would show JD2 getting out of the passenger side of the Ryder truck just prior to the explosion.
http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2002/11/1542199.php

Posted by: Greg at July 31, 2006 07:00 PM (q5wwn)

31 Glenn:

Here's one news article on the strange timing:

IDF: Qana building fell hours after strike

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3283816,00.html

Posted by: The All-Seeing Eye at July 31, 2006 07:15 PM (c/4ax)

32 Illuminated One,
YNET?
Ha, ha.
That's the Al Jazeera of the Jewish world!

Posted by: Greg at July 31, 2006 07:27 PM (q5wwn)

Uh, jd, Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols did not blow up the Federal Building in OKC in the name of a religion. There was no religious jihad going on in that attack, as far as I can tell. They were trying to kill federal agents in revenge for the US Governments actions against the Branch Dividians in Waco. I'm sure we would be discussing it on a daily basis if McVeigh had inspired thousands of similar attacks in the US and around the World, and if those attacks were ongoing. But to discuss a one-time thing that happened years ago on a daily basis would be ridiculous, and quite frankly a waste of time. We do, however get reminded of it as if it did occur daily, and that strikes me as rather odd.

Posted by: jesusland joe at July 31, 2006 07:46 PM (rUyw4)

34 A conspiracy? A conspiracy? Apparently some of you can't HANDLE a conspiracy, not this one at least.

Islam is a Total Conspiracy, of murder, mayhem and deceit leading to world domination. Sound familiar?

Posted by: n.a. palm at July 31, 2006 07:50 PM (mTlKc)

35 I.M.: You bet is was. McVeigh and Nichols were not capable of carrying OKC out by themselves.

The real 'conspiracy' here was perpetrated by the FBI, covering up the connnections to Iraq, Phillipines and local palestinian sympathizers living in OKC.

Posted by: n.a. palm at July 31, 2006 07:57 PM (mTlKc)

36 Greg -

I guess I didn't realize the IDF statements re: the lapse in time was a controversial piece of information. It's been covered by the AP and written up all over the place.

Posted by: The All-Seeing Eye at July 31, 2006 08:05 PM (c/4ax)

37 I made some observations from some of the photos as well.

Only the men are bloody. The women and children are not. Nor are they bruised or show any physical injury. In contrast recall the picture for OKC of the little blonde headed boy and the picture taken by Michael Yon of the little Iraqi girl Farrah. The devistation to their fragile little bodies is laid bare before the world. I posted them to my site for easy reference.

That is not to say they images are not those of children and women victims of some horrible tragedy. It does offer the question though of what tragedy?

Posted by: Cmunk at July 31, 2006 08:11 PM (n4VvM)

38 Uh, IM--I don't blame the joos for anything, although I sometimes blame the government of Israel for actions that I consider unwise, or even more rarely, utterly immoral. You have me confused with someone else, I think.

Damn, my wry point about OKC was missed. I wasn't accusing Jawa of supporting it.

And you conspiracy nuts...wow.

Posted by: jd at July 31, 2006 08:16 PM (NL1A+)

39 I have my blog up now. I am no longer building a website. So can someone tell me what to do with the trackback? The software I am using, has really lame help files. I should know, I used to write really lame help files.

Posted by: Cmunk at July 31, 2006 08:23 PM (n4VvM)

40 Uh, Eye, YNet News is going to be about as objective as Isracast in this case. Do you have any slightly more legit news sources that quote this time discrepancy? I didn't see it at Reuters, CNN, USA Today, or any paper that sources AP feed for its stories. I guess what I'm asking for is an MSM source ... if they're not part of the conspiracy that is.

Posted by: glenn at July 31, 2006 08:35 PM (oxMjD)

41 Jd-

You may not think it matters whether Hizb'Allah is lying or telling the truth re: Qana, but it does.

If Hizb'Allah is lying about this incident, the world should know it. At one time, the Pali Arabs were taken at their word. In a 'he-said, she-said' between the Pali Arabs and the IDF, the public didn't know who to believe. Over time, the Pali Arabs have lost crediblity--and rightly so.

I believe Hizb'Allah is reading from the same playbook as the Pali Arabs, and they deserve to be called on it.

Posted by: All-Seeing Eye at July 31, 2006 08:43 PM (BjOjj)

42 I'm hungry.

Posted by: James H. Wundermunch at July 31, 2006 09:00 PM (BV7IP)

43 JD I agree that the Lebanese were on the right track. Hezbollah did not have control. The "Cedar Revolution" was bad for Hisbollah because sensible people knew there was no threat to Lebanon from Israel. In one swift stroke Hezbollah has got it's ass kicked, created a threat from Israel, and probably assured their victory in the next election. They are winning the politcal battle and to them the death is worth it.

I understand you really. I've seen it all over. War is bad OK. You can think for a month of Sundays for reasons it should not be so. You can wish till you are blue in the face. You can deny it. But in the end it's, still there, staring you in the face. They aren't leaving you any other options.

They want it and think they can win. What you want or dream of doesn't count.

Posted by: Howie at July 31, 2006 09:20 PM (D3+20)

44 Bertrand - stick your easy chair up your prolapsed rectum - please.

n.a. palm - my Shar Pei could have planned and carried out the OKC bombing.

jd - I think your more full of than a bertrad with an easy chair crammed up your ass - but I do admire your ability to argue without getting excited. Either you're one hell of a masochist or a truly decent (but mixed-up) person.

Cedar Revolution - who services your goats while you come online and have your vowel movements?

Posted by: Barney Coppersmith at July 31, 2006 09:34 PM (2BOvC)

45 JD, let me be as brief and blunt as possible; I know that you are fully in the camp of people whom I know to be enemies of my country and all of civilization, and the only reason I waste words on you is in the hope that you may one day see the error of your ways, though I have no hope of it. Know this though; events are unfolding exactly as I've been predicting for the last few years, and they will continue to do so, because what is happening is essentially a pattern following a formula, and you are a willing, eager participant in helping things go to hell in a handbasket by all your equivocating and apologizing for murderers, so don't expect any mercy when the time comes, and you are dragged out into the street to hang with your beloved muslims, liberals, and other scum. Shut the hell up and go hang out with the kos kiddies and wait your turn at the rope.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 31, 2006 09:46 PM (v3I+x)

46 1. Hezbollah is infininately better trained than the Pali's could hope to be, plus Iranian Revolutionary Guard are assisting...if Pallywood can pull this garbage certainly the Hezbullies can.

2. Rigor Mortis. I've got the chart on my site. The Israelis claim to have a photo of the buildingng standing at 7am...bomed between 12am and 1am...media is called at 8am, probably arrive around 9am...dig time...bodies are pulled...stiff as a board. In those temperatures rigor mortis should have come and gone (significantly) some 10 hours after the alledged time of death (Israeli bombing) that is not what we see on the film. Those people are stiff indicating a time of death within hours of filming.

3. Israel has announced they believe an IED did the deed.

4. There is a load of other anomalies...no hole in the roof, lack of blood at the scene...dead bodies don't bleed this from the CNN reporter (no friend of Israel I would imagine)...and Israeli citizens, used to seeing this kinda of carnage, telephone in that the color of the victims is not normal.

Hezbollywood. Busted.

Posted by: Khepri at August 01, 2006 12:33 AM (/Eavv)

47 Improbulus, I googled 'american core values' - the recurring themes were laudable: freedom of speech and belief, and harmonious diversity. Threatening to kill people who do not believe in these things wins you the award for unthinking irony.

I don't know how you regard The New Statesman - might be lefty nonsense for all I know, as I don't read it. But I quite liked this article:

http://www.newstatesman.com/200111260006

In fact, it's over-long and a bit wishy-washy, but the pithy little comment at the end sums it up well:

"...the suspension of the civil rights of which America was so justly proud must be giving quiet satisfaction to those behind the 11 September outrages. Disrupting the American way of life was what they wanted, and this is what they have now achieved."

Posted by: Dale at August 01, 2006 06:27 AM (BV7IP)

48 Dale, enemies of our country don't need civil rights, they just need a short rope and a tall tree. If you can't see that, you're an idiot.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 01, 2006 08:06 AM (v3I+x)

49 Dale, for the life of me, I can't think of a single civil right that has been suspended, unless you count being able to aid the enemy as a civil right. I just got through reading the Constituion, and I can't find that right in it. Sorry, Dale, but the terrorists are laughing because they have people like the authors of the article in question carrying their water for them.

Posted by: jesusland joe at August 01, 2006 10:29 AM (rUyw4)

50 Misguided Dale: We are not threatening to kill people who don't share freedom of speech and support harmonious diversity, nutcase! We are threatening and are killing people who are threatening to kill us. Give a little thought to it before you spew!

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at August 01, 2006 11:00 AM (gLMre)

51 Guys, I wasn't writing an open letter to the general public - I was responding to one person's posts. Having read through the thread, I concluded that this JD person was thoughtful, and more eloquent than most - whether or not I agree with his opinions is quite irrelevant. As it goes, I felt that JD came off as being on Israel's side, albeit with one or two minor reservations.

He didn't deserve to have some certifiable nut-job threatening to dangle him from the end of a rope. Last Gasp Larry - if you doubt that these things were said, scroll upwards. I'm not saying that the majority of people here would cheerfully hang JD - most people here have *at least* a tenuous grasp on sanity, most have more - but the offer was made.

I wasn't trying to make any general comments. It was a specific response to a specific post. I certainly meant no offense to people with whom I've never conversed before.

Posted by: Dale at August 01, 2006 03:01 PM (BV7IP)

52 Children die because of an Israeli airstrike and you point the finger at Hizbollah.

I thought Americans didn't really believe in conspiracy stories?

Posted by: Anwar at August 01, 2006 03:26 PM (Lgnxs)

53 Anwar -

I'm pointing out that Hizb'Allah has the incentive and the means to fabricate a story, and it looks very much like they may have done so.

No honest broker should object to reasonable questions about a story that doesn't make sense.

Posted by: The All-Seeing Eye at August 01, 2006 04:10 PM (c/4ax)

54 Kevin Sites interviewed some poeple who were around when the building was hit. They heard it and ran to the place. They used their farming tools to try to dig people out. And I can see why equipment didn't come in until later. The first day of clearing the rubble and looking for the bodies ended at 8:00pm. Obviously they don't work at night.

Posted by: Some Dude at August 01, 2006 07:54 PM (WW510)

55 No Dale, I don't doubt that these things were said. Take it in stride. I personally need several death threats daily to get my fix.

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at August 02, 2006 03:34 AM (gLMre)

56 Kevin Sites: Ha, Ha.

Posted by: Greyrooster at August 02, 2006 04:02 PM (XqAoh)

57 I believe Mel Gibson did to preclude his arrest for DUI.

Posted by: Mel Gibson's Brother at August 03, 2006 03:11 PM (rlFTO)

58 Anwar: Why can't you damn ragheads understand that Hezbollah is not a country. It's a terrorist organization founded, funded and armed by Iran. Iranians are to cowardly to fight so they get screwed up fanatics to do it for them. hezbollah is too cowardly to fight eye to eye so they hide behind women and children. The blame is on Hezbollah.

Posted by: Greyrooster at August 03, 2006 04:03 PM (XqAoh)

59 Greyrooster, you could say the same thing about the US. They supported the wahhabis in Afghanistan in the 80's and in Bosnia in the 90's to fight their wars. And have you been to Lebanon lately? Have you seen it for yourself? I know Kevin Sites has.

Posted by: Some Dude at August 04, 2006 03:19 PM (WW510)

60 Greyrooster, you could say the same thing about the US. They supported the wahhabis in Afghanistan in the 80's and in Bosnia in the 90's to fight their wars. And have you been to Lebanon lately? Have you seen it for yourself? I know Kevin Sites has.

Posted by: Some Dude at August 04, 2006 03:19 PM (WW510)

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