1

Al Qaeda smells defeat in the air, and they are moving in for the kill. How will they do this? By blowing up as many innocent people as possible, and the media will play right along by pointing the finger at us. Congrats, media. You are going to get your big 'ol American loss in Iraq that our grandchildren will be paying in spades for in years to come. Instant gratification rarely pays off in the long run. Fucking idiots.  

2 That's right. Blame the media. It certainly has nothing to do with the way the war was waged.

Their job is to report what happens. So sorry that this means reporting on the incompetence of El Presidente, and his merry band of ignorant slobs.

You guys lost this war because you handed it over to corporations who robbed you and the Iraqis blind. You lost it, because you disbanded the entire Iraqi civil service, including the army, thus throwing the nation into chaos. You lost it because you tortured Iraqis while claiming that you were saving from torture. You lost it for so many reasons, it isn't even funny, BUT you did not lose it because the media was reporting the fact that you were losing.

So far, this has been the deadliest month for the U.S.-led coalition forces —
on an average daily basis — of the four-year occupation of Iraq, with 47 dead American troops so far this month alone.

http://icasualties.org/oif/

Nice work on the surge Bushies. When are you guys signing up? You guys are a bunch of fascist retards who deserve everything Bin Laden is cooking up for you. Luckily, your sorry asses will most likely be saved when the Democrats - idiots that they are - step back into power, and clean up this big pile of shit you've made.

3

Has anyone else realized a parallel between "AQ in Iraq" setting up their own shadow government in Iraq, and the Democratic party setting up theirs in America?

4 So John, tell me...are you from Ohio?

5 Are you off your fucking meds or something John? Here we go with the liberal "corporations acting corporationy" theories. Christ do you ever get the hint? You are a gimp! Put the red ball back in your mouth and spare us all! The media is playing just as big a role in losing this war as they did in Vietnam. So spare us the "greedy corporation" theories. You are all heart and no brain, just like every liberal I have ever met.

6 It's not a theory. What exactly do you call no-bid contracts? What do you call it when the invaders privatize a nation's resources and industries, allowing foreign corporations to remove 100% of the profits tax free?

You believe that the military, and policy tards should be able to operate without any oversight at all. You support the president unquestioningly, and fail to recognize how you guys have made things far worse. Any good will that America may have enjoyed after 911 is gone. Nobody gives a fuck about what happens to Americans now, because you've proven that you will not operate according to your own values. Everything that trickles out of your president's mouth is a lie... just like his latest "oh... we seemed to have lost all those emails pertaining to the fired attornies" case.

You want to talk no brains... you guys are either a clueless bunch of hicks who've been suckered by the greatest bible salesman who ever lived. Or, you are fascists bent on turning America into an Empire that happily fucks over anybody who doesn't pay you tribute.

But whatever. Continue to ignore reality, even as it comes crashing down upon your tiny heads. America is fading, and it's all your fault. Hopefully people never forget that, and never let you live it down for supporting these creeps.

7 John you can try all you want to dissuade us. It is in your playbook and we have the chapter marked. America has a problem and it is you and your kind. Have a nice day/evening/night where ever you are.

8 John, it's halfwit, mentally ill traitors such as yourself who are putting America in danger - all in the name of partisan politics.

9 "John" is coming to us from Canada. That explains a lot.

10

I love the way you say "you guys" lost this war. Let me tell you something pal, if I was running the show over there, there wouldn't be an insurgency because there wouldn't be any military aged males left to become insurgents nor mosques to recruit them in. No one agrees more than I that this war has been a miscarriage of military leadership. But why is this so John? Hmmm? Because our ever-so-fucking politically correct media won't allow our military to fight an insurgency the way it supposed to be fought: with overwhelming force. Islamic radicals have to be crushed, not slapped on the wrist. Everyone knows they use Islam as a recruiting tool and mosques as recruiting centers as well as bomb-making facilities. But god forbid we attack the mosques, else the media paints our military as un-PC heathen Americans who aren't religiously sensitive to those delicate Muslims. "Our" guys may have lost the war, but its because "your" media won't let them take the white gloves off. You see it your way and I see it mine. I'll just never stop questioning the sanity and intelligence of someone who seems to side with the very people that are trying to kill him. Yeah, thats you John. There is no middle ground here. You and your liberal scumbag friends are playing for the wrong team, in more ways than I can imagine.

11 Look the problem is not that the Left or the Democrats no longer support the war. Over 1/2 of the West Point grads are choosing to leave active duty at their earliest opportunity. This is happening in the midst that Bush say is the most important fight in our history. Apparently they are no longer "patriotic". If West Pointers no longer can offer their support in this war than perhaps this endeavor requires a closer look.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/04/11/west_point_grads_exit_service_at_high_rate/
As for al Queda smelling defeat in the air, Cheney predicted that the insurgency was "in its last throes' on May 31. 2005, almost 2 years ago.
Americans can choose from many news sources. There is a reason why right of center news media has far fewer customers than the left of center news media. It is because that is what most Americans want. We have remotes on our TVs we can change channels very easily.

12 Its so cute how John has so much more respect for terrorist than the US government. You can almost hear him cheer when he sees a bomb go off. You are a traitorous moron if you think everything will improve if we just leave because we lose in 4 years what we lost in an hour in previous wars. And your even dumber then I thought if you don't think the media is part of the war. The media long ago stopped telling us what goes on and rather tells us what to think about what went on. Go suck some more terrorist dick.

13 Or, you are fascists bent on turning America into an Empire

You keep using that word "fascist."  I do not think it means what you think it means.

Given your references to corporations, I bet you think that Mussolini actually said: "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power."

Here's a clue: That's a FAKE quote.  Fascism =/ corporatism. 

Here's some better quotes. See if you can wrap your brain around them:

"..the dark night of fascism is always descending in the United States and yet lands only in Europe."
-Tom Wolfe

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''When someone in a movie says, 'We're going to fight for freedom,'
that's now a dirty word,'' says Snyder. ''Europeans totally feel that
way. If you mention democracy or freedom, you're an imperialist or a fascist. That's crazy to me.''
-Zack Snyder (director of '300')

14 Jack:

"there wouldn't be an insurgency because there wouldn't be any military
aged males left to become insurgents nor mosques to recruit them in."

This is commonly referred to as "genocide", and it means that you are one of the bad guys.

Randman:

No. I don't cheer. It sucks, but I'll say this about it... it reaffirms my belief that America has blown it. I don't think Iraq should be left to it's own devices... I think that Bush should step up like a man, admit he fucked up beyond belief, and beg the UN to help. The Iraqis might actually be willing to work with an international force who would serve to police the area, and help get the different groups talking. I won't be holding my breath on this one though.

Wooga:

Fascism: A system of government marked
by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent
socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror
and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and
racism.

Hmmm lets see, Bush has done more to expand the power of the president than any before him. The economy has pretty much been handed over to lobbiests who  pay the gov big money to keep it that way, and  this admin just loves distorting the truth regarding threats to Americans... to the point of launching premptive wars.

Oh yeah, and lets not forget the belligerent nationalism and racism, which you guys do a great job of illustrating.

15 and beg the UN to help
what a fucking muppet. You only call the U.N if you want a genocide monitored, or there is some kids to be raped.

16 Bush has done more to expand the power of the president than any before him. The economy has pretty much been handed over to lobbiests

Thanks for admitting that you are dead wrong on fascism. Fascism requires state control over corporations, not the other way around. As you point out, America appears to be heading down a direction where corporations control the government.  That may be bad, but it is NOT fascism.

I know it must hurt as bad as getting sand in your vagina, but fascism is an inherently statist system, just like socialism, communism, and Islamism.

Incidentally, your claim that Bush has done more than any other president is hogwash, and reveals your youth and educational limits.  As far as the role of the executive branch as against the other two, Nixon was certainly further than Bush II, and FDR as well.  As far as expanding the role of the federal gov't (and here I mean expanding in the sense of legal authority, not monetary expenditures),  there are many others who grew the fed much more over their predecessors (percentage wise) than Bush II.  Finally, as far as absolute authority (as opposed to a percentage comparison with predecessors) of the federal government over the states, you've got Lincoln and Clinton as pretty freaking huge standards to live up to.

The fact is, you just don't like the particular excesses and abuses done by Bush II.  As a state resident, landowner, car owner, and gun owner, I see Clinton's abuses as far more expansive. Hell, even Clinton signed the DOMA, which is worse than anything Bush II has done to thwart gay marriage...

17 You support the president unquestioningly

John, you actually believe this? There is not one poster here who fits that description.  Perhaps if the DNC had put up a real candidate, instead of extending a great big middle finger to all vets like Kerry or promising to destroy our economy like Gore, they could have defeated a bumbling big-gov't half-wit like Bush.

Really, what to make of a party which nominates folks like Carter, Mondale, and Dukakis?

18 I'm comfy with that idea John. Besides, wouldn't genocide mean killing everyone, including military aged males? I think selective elimination is a better phrase you tosser.

19 Wooga,

Do you really think modern-day fascists are going to be easy to spot? That maybe they'll just start goose-stepping around, so that you can just scream "Look out! Fascists!"

I think maybe they're going to be a little more savy.

As I pointed out, and you ignored, Bush has been slowly consolidating power. He's wiped his ass with your constitution by blowing away habeas corpus, violating countless laws, and recently he signed a directive that gives him control over the rules and policies that the gov develops to protect public health, safety, the environment, civil rights and privacy. All of this is on the record, so don't give me any bullshit about not knowing what I'm talking about.

But whatever eh? Why let something like facts get in the way of what you believe, which incidentally is what fascists do. They follow without question. Maybe Bush isn't as tough on those immigrants you hate so much, but you've basically given him a blank cheque to fuck up royally on everything from Iraq to the economy...

And dude... let's be straight on this... the economy is fucked. The American trade deficit is out of control, your deficit and debt are growing every day, and the housing loan market is in full melt down.

Good luck with that. As I say... lucky for you, the smart(er) people will soon clean up this mess.

And Jack... I'm sorry... you're right... selective killing it is! I'm guessing though that in killing roughly a quarter of the 26 million people living in Iraq, you might go down in history with the likes of Hitler and Stalin. Nice work buddy!

20 "the economy is fucked. The American trade deficit is out of control, your deficit and debt are growing every day, and the housing loan market is in full melt down" John you are funny, lets talk in 5 years and see if your prophecy comes true.

21 Why let something like facts get in the way of what you believe, which
incidentally is what fascists do. They follow without question.

John,
What is your basis for assuming fascists do that? "fascist" is a word with a definition.  It doesn't mean "people I don't like."  It has a real, historical, political meaning. The Italians, for example, believed in facts.  In fact, they believed in them a little bit too mercilessly, which is why 'fascism' has earned a negative connotation.  The nazis, however, were more interested in the "meta-narrative," and were big fans of "fake but accurate" propaganda.  Just like your friends.

You obviously have no idea what the word 'fascist' means. You are embarrassing yourself and the Canadian school system.

Bush has been slowly consolidating power. He's wiped his ass with your
constitution by blowing away habeas corpus, violating countless laws,

Lincoln did far worse.  Look, I'm sorry that you never received an education about how the US federal government works.  Each branch has distinct powers.  The federal judiciary began to expand in the 1930s, and in turn it decided to assist the legislative branch in overpowering the executive.  The 'strict constructionists' on the bench are trying to reduce legislative power, which invariably gives the executive more power.

But that all is kind of  beside the point, because the fundamental issue is "how much power does the federal government have?"  If the executive has 99% control over the federal gov't, but the federal gov't has only limited enumerated powers, than President Bush is absolutely no threat to me.  In contrast, if the three branches are exactly equal, but the federal gov't has 'living constitution' level powers, I start to stock up on ammo.

and recently he signed a directive that gives him control over the
rules and policies that the gov develops to protect public health,
safety, the environment, civil rights and privacy.

What? You are telling me that Bush is signing executive orders? What the hell? That's just crazy talk! Why, Clinton would never have signed Executive Order 12898 on 'environmental justice', or Order 12968 on 'classified information', or 12866 to exert federal power over 'health, safety and environmental protections'.....
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Seriously John, are you under 20? Because you seem to have a glaring hole in your historical perspective. Clinton is the one who grew the federal gov't (I worked on a book on good old #12898, btw). Now Bush is simply shifting that Clinton-power around within the three branches, and giving most of it to the executive.  Bush's actions are not threatening the public anymore than Clinton, since the public still gets harassed by federal agents.  The difference between Clinton and Bush II in this regard is simply which branch of gov't pays the salaries for the jack booted thugs.

Of course, I want a president who will repeal Clinton's abuses of power, not play with them like Bush is apt to do.  But I guess it's impossible for you to comprehend that I might criticize Bush for this.

22 One more thing John.

Do you really want to start ragging on the US economy? Seriously, Canada has always been America's retarded economic cousin.  Look at practically any economic indicator.

That's not even considering the enormous amount we spend on our military so you can subsidize your incompetent medical system.

23 Hey... wait a second! So what you're saying is that despite what the evidence may indicate, America is not horribly off the rails, the war is going well, and current foreign policy hasn't made the world a more dangerous place?

And not only that, but even though I'm very comfortable, content, and happy with the quality of Canadian medicare, and though our economy is humming along in a nice sustainable manner, in fact things are horrible?

Now I see! Well, I'm certainly glad I came here to be enlightened. Thank you Wooga!

24 So what you're saying is that despite what the evidence may indicate,
America is not horribly off the rails, the war is going well, and
current foreign policy hasn't made the world a more dangerous place?

Good job not addressing any of my points, and attempting to shift the topic to avoid the embarassment of admitting you were wrong on fascism. Turning to your latest round of idiocy...

What evidence is there that America is "off the rails"?  Is the war going well? Compared to what?  Compared to the 80s, the war is going along swimmingly.  Compared to Gulf War I, it sucks.  Does that mean we should give up?

And no, current foreign policy has not made the world a more dangerous place.  The world had been getting more dangerous because of the rise of Islamism.  The US just happens to be the one stirring up the hornet nest.  The hornets are getting madder, but at least they don't have nuclear weapons yet.  But you know what? I don't care how dangerous the world is. I care about how dangerous America is.

And not only that, but even though I'm very comfortable, content, and
happy with the quality of Canadian medicare, and though our economy is
humming along in a nice sustainable manner, in fact things are horrible?

Uh, dumbass. I said Canda's economy is worse than the USA's.  I did not say either one is in the toilet, YOU did.  In reality, Canada's economy is okay, and the USA's is booming.

25 What?! I said "thank you for enlightening me." I now understand that everything I believe is wrong, despite what my lying eyes tell me. Bush is awesome!

I also understand that in order to be a fascist, you have to be Italian, and wear shiny boots, and that simply doing things like irrationally supporting an administration that invades other countries under the lie of protecting one's nation from threats that don't exist among other things, just doesn't cut it.

I'm the stupid one. America is clearly going to win, unless the media, or the liberals, and maybe the gays in conjunction with the terrorists manage to screw things up.

USA all the way!

26 You said it John,
 
 
 
I'm the stupid one. America is clearly going to win, unless the media, or the liberals, and maybe the gays in conjunction with the terrorists manage to screw things up.

 

 
 

And you couldnt have been more correct. Funny part is that you were trying to be sarcastic and instead you were speaking the truth more than perhaps any other time in your pathetic life.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=16834

 

 

 
 

27 Only thing that could enlighten John the fucked up Canuck is a bigger dildo.