July 21, 2006
This Is Our War Too
Does anyone else think that maybe we could be doing a little bit more to help the Israelis than offering diplomatic cover and constantly jawboning about how it's Syria and Iran pulling the strings?
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I'm sure we're sharing intelligence and all that, but couldn't we be more overt?
I'd settle for a B-2 flyover of Damascus in the middle of the night dropping flyers.
Imagine the Chinless Wonder waking up to a million leaflets saying "Dear Bashar, make one move on Israel and the next time won't be so nice."
Pounding the crap out of Syrian positions near the Golan wouldn't be bad either.
Oh, well, since none of that will happen, I guess I'll just add the IDF to the "fighting the Peaceful Religion" prayer roster.
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Hi Vinnie,
So watching the US marines evacuating American citizens from Beirut, I
couldn't help ask myself "Is is actually possible that Americans
have forgotten that 230 of their sons and daughters were murdered in
that very same city by these very same subhuman Hizbullah filth?"
To put it another way I believe there are much efficacious things that
a B2 could drop over the Arabo-Islamofascist barbarians than just
pamphelets.
I wished the democracies of the world would extricate themselves from
this farce called the United Nations (which wasn't always a farce)
and set up a "United Secular Democracies Organization" which attendant
close cooperation on all transnational matters especially security and
counter-terrorism.
One can dream though, one can dream ....
So watching the US marines evacuating American citizens from Beirut, I
couldn't help ask myself "Is is actually possible that Americans
have forgotten that 230 of their sons and daughters were murdered in
that very same city by these very same subhuman Hizbullah filth?"
To put it another way I believe there are much efficacious things that
a B2 could drop over the Arabo-Islamofascist barbarians than just
pamphelets.
I wished the democracies of the world would extricate themselves from
this farce called the United Nations (which wasn't always a farce)
and set up a "United Secular Democracies Organization" which attendant
close cooperation on all transnational matters especially security and
counter-terrorism.
One can dream though, one can dream ....
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at July 21, 2006 10:17 PM (Bp6wV)
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Don't be a coward, Vinnie. Israel is an ally, we should be at the very least providing logistical support and pushing them to declare all out war on a country that cannot or will not police its own terror factions.
But that would require consistent principles and not trying to weasal out of fighting the WoT.
But that would require consistent principles and not trying to weasal out of fighting the WoT.
Posted by: MiB at July 21, 2006 10:22 PM (SsNTi)
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We are ramping up our shipments of precision bombs, I read somewhere today.
Posted by: Stormy70 at July 21, 2006 10:35 PM (NArdK)
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Well, we are providing an additional 25 F-15i and 100 F-16i ground attack configured strike fighters. The F-15is can reach Iran. Along with the strike fighters comes 500 or so 5000 lb bunker busters. There is also 12 or so KC-135 tankers. Israel is a small country, why do they need tankers for areal refueling? Not too subtle, I'd say.
Notice that Israel already has PAC-3 Patriots, just in case. They also seem to have a rightly good supply of the latest guided MLRS missle batteries.
BTW, we have never sold the strike fighter configured F-15 to any country before.
Notice that Israel already has PAC-3 Patriots, just in case. They also seem to have a rightly good supply of the latest guided MLRS missle batteries.
BTW, we have never sold the strike fighter configured F-15 to any country before.
Posted by: bill at July 21, 2006 10:45 PM (7evkT)
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Vinnie,
You had mentioned looking for war footage; have you seen the following?
If you can read Hebrew I'd very much appreciate it if you could
translate the titles for the benefit of the rest of us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_CQpDQ9S20&search=idf
Cheers
/GM
You had mentioned looking for war footage; have you seen the following?
If you can read Hebrew I'd very much appreciate it if you could
translate the titles for the benefit of the rest of us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_CQpDQ9S20&search=idf
Cheers
/GM
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at July 21, 2006 10:46 PM (Bp6wV)
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Could it even be imaginally possible for the israeli's and their military machine, would be operating without the use of a couple preditor drones? could Israel be setting up the ultimate rope-a-dope? I listen to the msm and their analisys, as they break down troop strength. Their eval is Israel has only enough resources to take and hold maybe 30 small towns.
What do you think would happen if Israel put out a call to all who would join their cause? How many would show?
What do you think would happen if Israel put out a call to all who would join their cause? How many would show?
Posted by: Cmunk at July 21, 2006 10:48 PM (n4VvM)
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I’m behind Israel 100%.
Posted by: Brad at July 21, 2006 10:54 PM (6mUkl)
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Israel has about 125000 regular army and 600000 ready reserve. I doubt they will tell anyone what they are doing until they are done. Looks to me they are doing an 'Afghanistan' on Hezbooollah. I hear there are three divisions being staged on the border. That's alot more than the media is reporting, a whole lot.
Isreal has plenty of drones, most they build themselves. Don't know if they have armed drones, ala Predator, but small drones are quieter in small areas, you don't need a big drone to carry a laser pointer :-).
Isreal has plenty of drones, most they build themselves. Don't know if they have armed drones, ala Predator, but small drones are quieter in small areas, you don't need a big drone to carry a laser pointer :-).
Posted by: bill at July 21, 2006 11:26 PM (7evkT)
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Bill, How big is one division?
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at July 21, 2006 11:33 PM (Bp6wV)
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GM,
It is best not to refer to our enemies as "subhuman." That path leads to some very dark places.
CW
It is best not to refer to our enemies as "subhuman." That path leads to some very dark places.
CW
Posted by: CW at July 21, 2006 11:43 PM (4g1xS)
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Maybe not physically subhuman CW, but when one has been so brainwashed as to feel righteous and gleeful in attempts to cleanse the Jews from existence, that is subhuman by definition.
Posted by: Schweggie at July 21, 2006 11:49 PM (H2YT0)
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Maybe not physically subhuman CW, but when one has been so brainwashed as to feel righteous and gleeful in attempts to cleanse the Jews from existence, that is subhuman by definition.
Posted by: Schweggie at July 21, 2006 11:49 PM (H2YT0)
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GM - the total was actually 241 service members.
220 USMC
18 USN
3 USA
Also - In May 2003, US District Court Judge Royce C. Lamberth declared that the Islamic Republic of Iran was responsible for the 1983 attack, on the grounds that Iran had originally founded Hezbollah and financed the group throughout the years.
220 USMC
18 USN
3 USA
Also - In May 2003, US District Court Judge Royce C. Lamberth declared that the Islamic Republic of Iran was responsible for the 1983 attack, on the grounds that Iran had originally founded Hezbollah and financed the group throughout the years.
Posted by: Barney Coppersmith at July 22, 2006 12:50 AM (2BOvC)
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I think we're helping Israel covertly. Now we need to keep Condi at home and let Israel take care of business! This is not just Israel's war or our war, it is the whole civilized world's war! They just need to wake up and realize that.
Posted by: pivalleygirl at July 22, 2006 01:57 AM (BQRI6)
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The good guys and gals might not wear white hats, but the subhuman filth do wear white diapers. By contrast, the good guys and gals try to help people while subhuman filth attempts to blow them up! Any questions? Does that shine any light onto those dark paths?
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at July 22, 2006 02:06 AM (gLMre)
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"Maybe not physically subhuman CW, but when one has been so brainwashed as to feel righteous and gleeful in attempts to cleanse the Jews from existence, that is subhuman by definition."
What's it called when someone has been so brainwashed as to be unable to separate anti-semitism from anti-zionism?
What's it called when someone has been so brainwashed as to be unable to separate anti-semitism from anti-zionism?
Posted by: Bob at July 22, 2006 03:20 AM (C4n3p)
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There's a good article by Dr. Laurie Roth at www.homelandsecurityus.com that shows why this is also our war.
Posted by: pivalleygirl at July 22, 2006 04:03 AM (BQRI6)
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Garduneh Mehr,
Divisions vary in size depending on purpose. Somewhere between 5000 and 15000 each usually.
I see the New York Times also broke the story about the precision bombs and MLRS rockets being sent over. No biggie, but the treason times isn't on top of it's game anymore. Precision weapons are better for all concerned, much less collateral damage.
By the hardware being sent, you are right Vinnie, it's clearly our fight as well. I agree with take care of business, lets let Israel finish it once and for all. Anyone who believes all these Islamo-fascist groups aren't connected together, and don't want to kill everyone who lives in the US, well they just aren't paying attention. Iranian nukes just makes it that much more effecient.
The trail leads right back to China through NK where weapons technology is being funnelled to Iran and elsewhere. If I were an Arab state, I sure would be concerned with Iran's ambitions.
Divisions vary in size depending on purpose. Somewhere between 5000 and 15000 each usually.
I see the New York Times also broke the story about the precision bombs and MLRS rockets being sent over. No biggie, but the treason times isn't on top of it's game anymore. Precision weapons are better for all concerned, much less collateral damage.
By the hardware being sent, you are right Vinnie, it's clearly our fight as well. I agree with take care of business, lets let Israel finish it once and for all. Anyone who believes all these Islamo-fascist groups aren't connected together, and don't want to kill everyone who lives in the US, well they just aren't paying attention. Iranian nukes just makes it that much more effecient.
The trail leads right back to China through NK where weapons technology is being funnelled to Iran and elsewhere. If I were an Arab state, I sure would be concerned with Iran's ambitions.
Posted by: bill at July 22, 2006 06:54 AM (7evkT)
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Let me be a little less subtle.
Wasn't Hitler's program to exterminate the Jews justified by deeming the Jews "subhuman"? And the conquest of the Ukraine? Something about ubermenschen and untermenschen?
Wasn't slavery justified by deeming the blacks subhuman?
I think you can find other words to say what you want to say; indeed, I think you already have, by explaining why you used the term.
Finally, as a matter of tactics in arguing -- if you are arguing with pro-Hizbulloh folks they are likely to seize on the term "subhuman" and ignore or fail to answer the core of what you are saying. They like to say (and draw cartoons) showing Israel and Jews as Nazis. No need to give them an unnecessary excuse to do that.
Best regards (not at all ironic),
CW
Wasn't Hitler's program to exterminate the Jews justified by deeming the Jews "subhuman"? And the conquest of the Ukraine? Something about ubermenschen and untermenschen?
Wasn't slavery justified by deeming the blacks subhuman?
I think you can find other words to say what you want to say; indeed, I think you already have, by explaining why you used the term.
Finally, as a matter of tactics in arguing -- if you are arguing with pro-Hizbulloh folks they are likely to seize on the term "subhuman" and ignore or fail to answer the core of what you are saying. They like to say (and draw cartoons) showing Israel and Jews as Nazis. No need to give them an unnecessary excuse to do that.
Best regards (not at all ironic),
CW
Posted by: CW at July 22, 2006 09:34 AM (C39AL)
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It seems to me that the distinction between anit-zionism and anti-semitism is sometimes relevant and sometimes not.
Perhaps when one is talking about the American Left it is relevant. Also, Ahmadinejad claimed to be anti-zionist but not anti-semitic.
My impressions have been that the Palestinian hatred machine, and the Islamist one, doesn't make the distinction. Jews and Christians are monkeys and pigs. The trees will say, "There is Jew hiding behind me, come kill him!" Worldwide conspiracy theories. Etc.
CW
Perhaps when one is talking about the American Left it is relevant. Also, Ahmadinejad claimed to be anti-zionist but not anti-semitic.
My impressions have been that the Palestinian hatred machine, and the Islamist one, doesn't make the distinction. Jews and Christians are monkeys and pigs. The trees will say, "There is Jew hiding behind me, come kill him!" Worldwide conspiracy theories. Etc.
CW
Posted by: CW at July 22, 2006 09:48 AM (C39AL)
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People who think China is allied with Islamofascism have to contend with the fact that China is waging a brutal war against Muslim separatists in its Mongol and Uighur regions. Several of the captives at Gitmo are Uighurs. They were in Afghanistan learning how to fight Chinese communist oppression. We figured out that they were no threat to us after we imprisoned them for three years, but they obviously weren't excited about going home to China. Finally, albania, of all places, agreed to take them. No one else would, for fear of angering the chicoms.
This is a very complex situation. China has tight relations with Pakistan, and increasingly tight relations with Iran, but they cannot be an all out supporter of Islamofascism, for domestic reasons and for their vital relationship with us. They are VERY happy that we have engaged in a disastrous war in Iraq. They correctly see it as bleeding us dry, financially and militarily. They are sitting back and laughing at our stupidity. It has also strengthened their hand in dealing with the Arab world. They've cut some major oil deals lately, with more to come.
Oddly enough, the first 9 months of Bush's foreign policy focused on the China threat more than anything else, and almost totally ignored Al Qaeda compared to what Clinton was doing. But now, their policies have greatly strengthened China, by our foolish war in Iraq. Funny how things work out...
This is a very complex situation. China has tight relations with Pakistan, and increasingly tight relations with Iran, but they cannot be an all out supporter of Islamofascism, for domestic reasons and for their vital relationship with us. They are VERY happy that we have engaged in a disastrous war in Iraq. They correctly see it as bleeding us dry, financially and militarily. They are sitting back and laughing at our stupidity. It has also strengthened their hand in dealing with the Arab world. They've cut some major oil deals lately, with more to come.
Oddly enough, the first 9 months of Bush's foreign policy focused on the China threat more than anything else, and almost totally ignored Al Qaeda compared to what Clinton was doing. But now, their policies have greatly strengthened China, by our foolish war in Iraq. Funny how things work out...
Posted by: jd at July 22, 2006 11:22 AM (DQYHA)
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"Oddly enough, the first 9 months of Bush's foreign policy focused on the China threat more than anything else, and almost totally ignored Al Qaeda compared to what Clinton was doing. But now, their policies have greatly strengthened China, by our foolish war in Iraq. Funny how things work out..."
Here we see an outstanding example of doubletalk brought on by terminal Bush Derangement Syndrome. Sufferer jd starts by criticizing the President for focusing on China, rather than al Qaeda, as opposed to Clinton engaging China while focusing on AQ (falsely implying that Clinton was effective against AQ). Then jd segues into criticizing Bush for concentrating on AQ instead of China.
This is why it's so difficult to have a debate with a liberal. Most of them aren't even capable of being intellectually honest with themselves. Their hatred of George W. Bush taints their perceptions.
Most would probably welcome another AQ terrorist if it helped them politically against GWB. This is why creatures like jd deserve no respect.
Here we see an outstanding example of doubletalk brought on by terminal Bush Derangement Syndrome. Sufferer jd starts by criticizing the President for focusing on China, rather than al Qaeda, as opposed to Clinton engaging China while focusing on AQ (falsely implying that Clinton was effective against AQ). Then jd segues into criticizing Bush for concentrating on AQ instead of China.
This is why it's so difficult to have a debate with a liberal. Most of them aren't even capable of being intellectually honest with themselves. Their hatred of George W. Bush taints their perceptions.
Most would probably welcome another AQ terrorist if it helped them politically against GWB. This is why creatures like jd deserve no respect.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at July 22, 2006 11:40 AM (vBK4C)
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And, just to be completely clear, jd...yes, I do question your patriotism.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at July 22, 2006 11:41 AM (vBK4C)
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Poor misguided hizbollah supporter STFU! I can give a rat's ass whether I am understood by your kind! Seize this: The only argument I make with pro-Hizbollah is where and when they want their precision bomb delivered!
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at July 22, 2006 11:58 AM (gLMre)
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More of Bluto putting words in peoples' mouth. Which makes sense, as he would have a difficult time winning a debate with a sack of clay.
But hey, what do you expect from socialist scum?
Anyway, this is still a somewhat short-sighted view of things. Israel's aim should not be to just expel Hizbollah from south Lebanon. Israel's aim should be to destroy the countries that have encouraged and supported this kind of terrorism. And the US should be behind that 100%, with material support - including troops on the ground.
But that won't happen, because Bush is an inconsistent weenie.
But hey, what do you expect from socialist scum?
Anyway, this is still a somewhat short-sighted view of things. Israel's aim should not be to just expel Hizbollah from south Lebanon. Israel's aim should be to destroy the countries that have encouraged and supported this kind of terrorism. And the US should be behind that 100%, with material support - including troops on the ground.
But that won't happen, because Bush is an inconsistent weenie.
Posted by: MiB at July 22, 2006 12:07 PM (SsNTi)
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MiB, did pollutants in the Rio Grande damage your brain when you swam across?
I quoted jd directly; I didn't "put words in his mouth". That's what BDS (Bluto Derangement Syndrome) will do to you, my little gay caballero.
I quoted jd directly; I didn't "put words in his mouth". That's what BDS (Bluto Derangement Syndrome) will do to you, my little gay caballero.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at July 22, 2006 12:14 PM (vBK4C)
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"falsely implying that Clinton was effective against AQ"
Maybe its just me, you know, not putting words in other peoples' mouths, but I didn't get that from what he said.
Also, I know you're just a glorfied troll, but can you get more creative than "LOL U R A MEXICAN, LOL LOL"? Besides being false, its...well, stupid.
Maybe its just me, you know, not putting words in other peoples' mouths, but I didn't get that from what he said.
Also, I know you're just a glorfied troll, but can you get more creative than "LOL U R A MEXICAN, LOL LOL"? Besides being false, its...well, stupid.
Posted by: MiB at July 22, 2006 12:56 PM (SsNTi)
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Oh, "lol u r gay" is also always a way to identify yourself as part of the conservative vanguard.
Posted by: MiB at July 22, 2006 12:57 PM (SsNTi)
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Why is gay such an epithet here?
Bluto, MiB was right, you did put words in my mouth, either through malice or because you didn't understand what I was saying, take your pick.
I didn't criticize bush for concentrating on AQ instead of China. Where did you get that? Not everything I say is automatically anti-Bush, although the thrust of my comment above was. But I think it was correct for Bush to concentrate on Al Qaeda. That's why the invasion of Iraq was such a flaming turd of a policy. It hurt our ability to focus on Al Qaeda, and it hurt other secondary policies, like checking China's hegemonic ambitions.
I don't think I'm deranged by Bush. I recognize when he has done something good. I can sit back and admire the way he has organized his White House. It's a much better SYSTEM than Clinton had, particularly in his first 2 years when Clinton was not, procedurally, an effective president. I can admire the loyalty that Bush inspires in his staff. I can admire the way Bush made it clear, from day one of the GWOT that it was not about hatred of Muslims. His Sept 20th speech to Congress was masterful on that point. His visit to a mosque in DC right after 9-11 was an important and praiseworthy step. And unlike many on the left, I don't think Bush is a racist. He is a different kind of Republican on race, as he advertised himself. And there are other aspects of Bush and his policies that are worthy of praise.
I don't think someone deranged by Bush could say as many positive things. Do you? C'mon, DPB, prove that you don't suffer from Obsessive Clinton Hatred: praise Hillary Clinton for five things she does or has done.
Bluto, MiB was right, you did put words in my mouth, either through malice or because you didn't understand what I was saying, take your pick.
I didn't criticize bush for concentrating on AQ instead of China. Where did you get that? Not everything I say is automatically anti-Bush, although the thrust of my comment above was. But I think it was correct for Bush to concentrate on Al Qaeda. That's why the invasion of Iraq was such a flaming turd of a policy. It hurt our ability to focus on Al Qaeda, and it hurt other secondary policies, like checking China's hegemonic ambitions.
I don't think I'm deranged by Bush. I recognize when he has done something good. I can sit back and admire the way he has organized his White House. It's a much better SYSTEM than Clinton had, particularly in his first 2 years when Clinton was not, procedurally, an effective president. I can admire the loyalty that Bush inspires in his staff. I can admire the way Bush made it clear, from day one of the GWOT that it was not about hatred of Muslims. His Sept 20th speech to Congress was masterful on that point. His visit to a mosque in DC right after 9-11 was an important and praiseworthy step. And unlike many on the left, I don't think Bush is a racist. He is a different kind of Republican on race, as he advertised himself. And there are other aspects of Bush and his policies that are worthy of praise.
I don't think someone deranged by Bush could say as many positive things. Do you? C'mon, DPB, prove that you don't suffer from Obsessive Clinton Hatred: praise Hillary Clinton for five things she does or has done.
Posted by: jd at July 22, 2006 01:01 PM (DQYHA)
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It's so tickling to think there are real people behind all these comments. Imagine what fun this bickering would be over beers and smokes. I love all of you!
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at July 22, 2006 01:05 PM (8e/V4)
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"If your enemy is quick to anger, seek to annoy him." - not only an effective tactic, but really, really fun.
MiB: I suggest you acquaint yourself with the definition of "to imply". Perhaps if you wait until your blood pressure settles a bit, it'll sink in to that six-inch thick skull.
Meanwhile, keep dreaming of the ascendancy of Aztlan.
MiB: I suggest you acquaint yourself with the definition of "to imply". Perhaps if you wait until your blood pressure settles a bit, it'll sink in to that six-inch thick skull.
Meanwhile, keep dreaming of the ascendancy of Aztlan.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at July 22, 2006 01:06 PM (vBK4C)
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jd, I don't know why "gay caballero" was taken as an epithet; it's a cliché phrase that has no sexual connotation of which I am aware. But then, MiB often posts in anger without thinking things through.
You need to re-read your first comment, because it doesn't say what you claim. That's why I was able to cut and paste from it to make my point. Cut and paste precludes "putting words in someone's mouth.
Unless you and MiB claiming that I altered your comment either before or following the cut and paste?
You need to re-read your first comment, because it doesn't say what you claim. That's why I was able to cut and paste from it to make my point. Cut and paste precludes "putting words in someone's mouth.
Unless you and MiB claiming that I altered your comment either before or following the cut and paste?
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at July 22, 2006 01:13 PM (vBK4C)
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DPB--if your point is to anger me or MiB with incendiary racist and homophobic rhetoric that you don't actually believe, to goad us into anger so you could "win"...what does that say about your faith in the strength of your arguments or your ratiocinative skills in making them?
Not much.
Also, please remember that your hero, Dick Cheney, has a gay daughter that he loves very much, who has been in a relationship with one woman for longer than most hetero marriages. You really look like an idiot when you try to use gay as a pejorative. It's about as funny as calling blacks niggers in an effort to anger them.
Not much.
Also, please remember that your hero, Dick Cheney, has a gay daughter that he loves very much, who has been in a relationship with one woman for longer than most hetero marriages. You really look like an idiot when you try to use gay as a pejorative. It's about as funny as calling blacks niggers in an effort to anger them.
Posted by: jd at July 22, 2006 01:14 PM (DQYHA)
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Since I'm not quick to anger, its kind of ineffective. You're a nonentity over the intertron, whats to get angry over?
I've had to deal with far worse than infantile, fat old men who's best shot is to say that I'm gay and mexican.
As to your last comment: Are you ever, you know, going to say anything about what I actually believe in, or are you going to continue to set flame to the imaginary-me you have constructed for yourself?
I've had to deal with far worse than infantile, fat old men who's best shot is to say that I'm gay and mexican.
As to your last comment: Are you ever, you know, going to say anything about what I actually believe in, or are you going to continue to set flame to the imaginary-me you have constructed for yourself?
Posted by: MiB at July 22, 2006 01:15 PM (SsNTi)
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Jesusland Carlos: these effeminate pussies wouldn't dare say these things in this way if they were face-to-face with me.
On the other hand, I would, and I've got the scars to prove it.
On the other hand, I would, and I've got the scars to prove it.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at July 22, 2006 01:16 PM (vBK4C)
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Also: what the hell is a caballero?
Posted by: MiB at July 22, 2006 01:17 PM (SsNTi)
Posted by: MiB at July 22, 2006 01:18 PM (SsNTi)
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Bluto,
if that's true then you wouldn't be much fun in person. Guys should be able to take it as well as they dish it out. If you can't take it, then don't dish it.
if that's true then you wouldn't be much fun in person. Guys should be able to take it as well as they dish it out. If you can't take it, then don't dish it.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at July 22, 2006 01:18 PM (8e/V4)
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Didn't you read him, JC? His manly blubber rolls and lack of chin would intimidate JD and I into silence.
I read it on the internet, it must be true.
I read it on the internet, it must be true.
Posted by: MiB at July 22, 2006 01:21 PM (SsNTi)
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By the way guys, I'm taking the bar on Tuesday-thursday, so I'm just locking the stuff in right now. So if you're missing me next week that's where I am. I need all the prayers I can get too, cause I've been out of law school for going on 12 years now and had to basically relearn it all from scratch. I'm confident though. Still, prayers are appreciated. Thanks.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at July 22, 2006 01:23 PM (8e/V4)
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I read it "I'm going to the bar," and then thought "Wow, he must plan on drinking pretty hard if he wants prayers in advance for a bar crawl..."
May you get what you deserve when you take the bar, JC.
May you get what you deserve when you take the bar, JC.
Posted by: MiB at July 22, 2006 01:24 PM (SsNTi)
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JC: The scars mean I take as well as give, though I prefer to give more. The fact that I would speak my mind in person as well as on the internet means that what you see is what you get. I won't apologize for being either plain-spoken, or for being willing to take the consequences of plain speaking. I've never aspired to the Diplomatic Corps.
jd: stop avoiding the issue. Either I altered your comment before I cut and pasted, or I didn't. Now which is it?
MiB: Your advocacy of open borders is all the evidence I need of your foolishness.
jd: stop avoiding the issue. Either I altered your comment before I cut and pasted, or I didn't. Now which is it?
MiB: Your advocacy of open borders is all the evidence I need of your foolishness.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at July 22, 2006 01:25 PM (vBK4C)
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Of course, you're xenophobic scum. What else should I expect from someone who's vast intellectual armaments include "you're a gay caberello" (whatever the hell a caberello is) and "you're mexican, so I'm going to imply you swam across the rio, that'll be original!"?
Nothing, of course.
Nothing, of course.
Posted by: MiB at July 22, 2006 01:29 PM (SsNTi)
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DPB--of course you didn't alter my words, and MiB didn't say you did, nor did I. Your interpretation was devastatingly erroneous, as I pointed out. I didn't say what you said I did. Clipping my words and then interpreting no more protects you from misinterpeting than owning a copy of the Bible protects you from misreading it.
I would say everything I've said to you, in the long history of our discourse, directly to your face. As I don't have scars from fighting, if what I said drove you to violence, as you seem to imply, well, you'd end up spending some time in jail. Let's remember who in this discussion called the other person's mother a cheap whore, and who in this discussion hasn't brought family into it.
Oh, and everyone reading this--you should know that DPB has in the past made ridiculous claims about beating up hippies who spit on veterans during the Vietnam era, which upon further investigation turned out to be bar fights long after the war in which someone called someone a name while spilling beer. Not exactly the airport return home demonstration moment he implied. So I'd take his "scars" comment with suitably large grains of salt.
I would say everything I've said to you, in the long history of our discourse, directly to your face. As I don't have scars from fighting, if what I said drove you to violence, as you seem to imply, well, you'd end up spending some time in jail. Let's remember who in this discussion called the other person's mother a cheap whore, and who in this discussion hasn't brought family into it.
Oh, and everyone reading this--you should know that DPB has in the past made ridiculous claims about beating up hippies who spit on veterans during the Vietnam era, which upon further investigation turned out to be bar fights long after the war in which someone called someone a name while spilling beer. Not exactly the airport return home demonstration moment he implied. So I'd take his "scars" comment with suitably large grains of salt.
Posted by: jd at July 22, 2006 01:39 PM (DQYHA)
Posted by: MiB at July 22, 2006 01:42 PM (SsNTi)
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Oh, and best of luck, Carlos. Get a good night's sleep the evening before. And watch a movie that's absorbing before bed, rather than trying to cram more into your head. Better to relax. I've taken a lot of tests in my day (6 times for the SAT), so I know a bit about it. Let us know how it goes, too.
What kind of law do you want to practice?
What kind of law do you want to practice?
Posted by: jd at July 22, 2006 01:44 PM (DQYHA)
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Wanting to preserve America's national culture and identity and avoid turning the US into a tower of Babel is "xenophobic"? Wanting to preserve our resources (a zero sum game, btw) for Americans who need them is "xenophobic"? Wanting rational, regulated, legal immigration that profits both immigrant and host country is "xenophobic"? Opposing the immigration of tens of millions of unskilled persons who will drive the minimum wage (and all other wages) into the ground and reduce the US standard of living the level of a third world country is "xenophobic"?
[sarcasm]Well reasoned, MiB.[/sarcasm]
Now, exactly how do you think that I altered jd's comment, which was cut and pasted into mine in order to, "put word's in his mouth"?
[sarcasm]Well reasoned, MiB.[/sarcasm]
Now, exactly how do you think that I altered jd's comment, which was cut and pasted into mine in order to, "put word's in his mouth"?
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at July 22, 2006 01:46 PM (vBK4C)
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This is our war! It's part of the "War on Terror!" Hezbollah is a terrorist group. Bush doesn't have the balls to help, he's afraid of the left in America and what others around the world think.
I do hope the US will come to Israel's aid by bombing the fuck out of Syria, Iran, and N. Korea. This is the next phase of the war. We might as well hit China and Russia too, they seem to love supplying these countries with weapons and are communist still. Not like the "Cold War" ever ended!
There is only one way to win this war and that is to use our true military might and kick some fucking ass to let the world know that we are tired of all this bullshit and we are going to be the ones to end it. Who doesn't wan't to live in peace?
I do hope the US will come to Israel's aid by bombing the fuck out of Syria, Iran, and N. Korea. This is the next phase of the war. We might as well hit China and Russia too, they seem to love supplying these countries with weapons and are communist still. Not like the "Cold War" ever ended!
There is only one way to win this war and that is to use our true military might and kick some fucking ass to let the world know that we are tired of all this bullshit and we are going to be the ones to end it. Who doesn't wan't to live in peace?
Posted by: The Boodge at July 22, 2006 01:46 PM (grH5J)
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Nice attempt at back-pedaling and obfuscation, jd, but if the part of your comment that I cut and pasted didn't have the interpretation that I put on it, then it was irrelevant to the rest of the comment.
MiB said that I "put words in your mouth" by cut and pasting part of your comment. That's one magic trick I don't know.
Kindly cut and paste the place in this discussion where I called your mother a "cheap whore". I recall doing so some weeks ago, in jest, but that was before I discovered that you had had a humorectomy.
MiB said that I "put words in your mouth" by cut and pasting part of your comment. That's one magic trick I don't know.
Kindly cut and paste the place in this discussion where I called your mother a "cheap whore". I recall doing so some weeks ago, in jest, but that was before I discovered that you had had a humorectomy.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at July 22, 2006 01:52 PM (vBK4C)
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Bluto: believing all that socialist/ecoterrorist claptrap about "our" (Since when did Halliburton's oil become "our's"? I suppose the proletariet own everything) "limited" resources that we must "preserve" against the evil outsiders is what I blame you for. Also believing that America has some fragile culture that must be "preserved" against evil outsiders who, if let in, will obviously destroy it unless the good people of America keep them out is xenophobic.
Your logic is sound, within the totally false presumptions you make about economics and culture. Since, however, the presumptions you make are totally false, so are the conclusions.
Its funny how conservatives think that they're the opposite of things like ELF or PETA, or even the socialists in the democratic party. All you're doing is quibbling over what way is best to destroy America; you long ago conceded that the socialists, ecoterrorists and such were right about the nature of the universe.
And you wonder why, even when you "win" elections, you lose in the government.
Your logic is sound, within the totally false presumptions you make about economics and culture. Since, however, the presumptions you make are totally false, so are the conclusions.
Its funny how conservatives think that they're the opposite of things like ELF or PETA, or even the socialists in the democratic party. All you're doing is quibbling over what way is best to destroy America; you long ago conceded that the socialists, ecoterrorists and such were right about the nature of the universe.
And you wonder why, even when you "win" elections, you lose in the government.
Posted by: MiB at July 22, 2006 01:53 PM (SsNTi)
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"MiB said that I "put words in your mouth" by cut and pasting part of your comment. That's one magic trick I don't know."
I did not say that you put words in his mouth "by cut and pasting part of [Jd's] comments." I said you put words in his mouth - by saying that he was implying something that he clearly wasn't.
Oh socialism, that brought us such education as bluto displays.
I did not say that you put words in his mouth "by cut and pasting part of [Jd's] comments." I said you put words in his mouth - by saying that he was implying something that he clearly wasn't.
Oh socialism, that brought us such education as bluto displays.
Posted by: MiB at July 22, 2006 01:55 PM (SsNTi)
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I'll give you an example, since you probably still don't get it: Bluto said: "Wanting to preserve America's national culture and identity and avoid turning the US into a tower of Babel is "xenophobic"?" Clearly he means that he hates blacks and wants segregation to return.
Posted by: MiB at July 22, 2006 01:56 PM (SsNTi)
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jd,
I'm thinking a little of everything, but primarily wills and estates cause that's where the money's at right now, especially here in the Texas hill country. We get tons of rich white folks retiring here.
>>>"xenophobe"
Count me as one of the xenophobes cause I don't want America turning into Aztlan. If immigrants want in, do it legally. And if that makes me a self-loathing mexican, then so be it. I'm not "white" so I don't have to apologize for whitey's racism, and I can be as xenophobic as I damn well please.
I'm thinking a little of everything, but primarily wills and estates cause that's where the money's at right now, especially here in the Texas hill country. We get tons of rich white folks retiring here.
>>>"xenophobe"
Count me as one of the xenophobes cause I don't want America turning into Aztlan. If immigrants want in, do it legally. And if that makes me a self-loathing mexican, then so be it. I'm not "white" so I don't have to apologize for whitey's racism, and I can be as xenophobic as I damn well please.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at July 22, 2006 01:57 PM (8e/V4)
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This place will turn into Aztlan regardless, if you do not fight - and stop - multiculturalism. And it won't turn into aztlan without the prevalent disease of multiculturalism in the first place.
What I take issue with is that the xenophobes in the conservative movement actually think that America is so weak and pathetic that immigration can somehow 'destroy' its culture. People come here because they know that America is better than where they were; if they stay, they don't stay to turn America into the craphole they came to, unless you have a philosophical movement - say, multiculturalism - telling them that such is the moral thing to do.
To claim that America, land of immigrants, can somehow be taken down by "too much" immigration is absurd. But, like the conservatives are wont to do, you attack something totally different from the actual cause of the problem. Since you're all so fond of dismissing the intellectuals as irrelevant, you sit idle and prevent the eeeevil brown anti-americans from coming across the border, while your children are being educated to be far more anti-american than the worse aztlaner.
You will get what you deserve.
What I take issue with is that the xenophobes in the conservative movement actually think that America is so weak and pathetic that immigration can somehow 'destroy' its culture. People come here because they know that America is better than where they were; if they stay, they don't stay to turn America into the craphole they came to, unless you have a philosophical movement - say, multiculturalism - telling them that such is the moral thing to do.
To claim that America, land of immigrants, can somehow be taken down by "too much" immigration is absurd. But, like the conservatives are wont to do, you attack something totally different from the actual cause of the problem. Since you're all so fond of dismissing the intellectuals as irrelevant, you sit idle and prevent the eeeevil brown anti-americans from coming across the border, while your children are being educated to be far more anti-american than the worse aztlaner.
You will get what you deserve.
Posted by: MiB at July 22, 2006 02:02 PM (SsNTi)
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MiB, do everyone a favor and cut and paste the part where I "put words" in jd's mouth. I was quite careful to post his words verbatim, and in quotation marks, with my interpretation below, after a paragraph break. Please enlighten everyone as to exactly how that is putting words in someone's mouth.
Perhaps you simply chose an idiomatic expression that you thought meant something else?
Perhaps you simply chose an idiomatic expression that you thought meant something else?
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at July 22, 2006 02:05 PM (vBK4C)
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Last note before I'm off to go shooting: I find it ironic that Bluto, the "conservative," part of a movement that alledgedly supports free markets, is explicitly endorsing the nationalist/socialist (and thoroughly false) view of economics that cheap labor reduces the total value output of an economy. Once again, it is thoroughly embaressing that I have to give a basic capitalism lesson to an alledgedly grown man, but an economy is built on cheap labor. The capitol can then be applied elsewhere, such as R&D or in bringing prices down.
Regarding claims that new waves of immigration wreck the unjust, immoral socialist institutions in this country: Good I say! The sooner they come crashing down and shown to be the farcical, immoral cesspools that they are, the better. Until the absurd regulations on hospitals and the medical profession are lifted, I hope every immigrant goes to the hospital every time he has a sniffle.
Regarding claims that new waves of immigration wreck the unjust, immoral socialist institutions in this country: Good I say! The sooner they come crashing down and shown to be the farcical, immoral cesspools that they are, the better. Until the absurd regulations on hospitals and the medical profession are lifted, I hope every immigrant goes to the hospital every time he has a sniffle.
Posted by: MiB at July 22, 2006 02:08 PM (SsNTi)
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And there you have it. MiB does not distinguish between cheap and illegal labor bordering on slavery, and would probably have been a fan of the Dred Scot Decision.
I'm completely at a loss as to why an emergency room would be considered some sort of socialist institution.
I'm completely at a loss as to why an emergency room would be considered some sort of socialist institution.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at July 22, 2006 02:15 PM (vBK4C)
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Good luck Jesusland Carlos.
Once you've gotten your bar designation I hope you employ your legalistic skills to
a) make life a living hell for the likes of CAIR
b) protect the freedom of speech of good people like the chaps at "The Jawa Report"
Once you've gotten your bar designation I hope you employ your legalistic skills to
a) make life a living hell for the likes of CAIR
b) protect the freedom of speech of good people like the chaps at "The Jawa Report"
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at July 22, 2006 02:31 PM (Bp6wV)
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The Lebanese Shiite Hezbollah movement announced on Wednesday that its guerrillas have captured two Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon. "Implementing our promise to free Arab prisoners in Israeli jails, our strugglers have captured two Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon," a statement by Hezbollah said.
"The two soldiers have already been moved to a safe place," it added. The Lebanese police said that the two soldiers were captured as they "infiltrated" into the town of Aitaa al-Chaab inside the Lebanese border. [Hindustan Times 7/12/06]
The Lebanese Hezbollah movement announced Wednesday the arrest of two Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon. Lebanese police said that the two soldiers were arrested as they entered the town of Aitaa al-Chaab inside the Lebanese border. Israeli aircraft were active in the air over southern Lebanon, police said, with jets bombing roads leading to the market town of Nabatiyeh, 60 kilometers south of Beirut. [Bahrain News Agency 7/12/06]
TRANSLATION: According to the Lebanese police force, the two soldiers were captured in Lebanese territory, in the area of Aïta Al-Chaab close to the border, whereas Israeli television indicated that they had been captured in Israeli territory. [fr.news.yahoo 7/12/06]
"The two soldiers have already been moved to a safe place," it added. The Lebanese police said that the two soldiers were captured as they "infiltrated" into the town of Aitaa al-Chaab inside the Lebanese border. [Hindustan Times 7/12/06]
The Lebanese Hezbollah movement announced Wednesday the arrest of two Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon. Lebanese police said that the two soldiers were arrested as they entered the town of Aitaa al-Chaab inside the Lebanese border. Israeli aircraft were active in the air over southern Lebanon, police said, with jets bombing roads leading to the market town of Nabatiyeh, 60 kilometers south of Beirut. [Bahrain News Agency 7/12/06]
TRANSLATION: According to the Lebanese police force, the two soldiers were captured in Lebanese territory, in the area of Aïta Al-Chaab close to the border, whereas Israeli television indicated that they had been captured in Israeli territory. [fr.news.yahoo 7/12/06]
Posted by: Greg at July 22, 2006 02:40 PM (q5wwn)
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Fuck off Greg - if I want the hezbollah opinion I'll tighten my abdominal muscles and relax my sphincter...
Posted by: Barney Coppersmith at July 22, 2006 02:51 PM (2BOvC)
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Hesbollah and it's Leftwing allies ramp up the propaganda offensive.
Yet right after the kidnapping, Hezbollah said in a statement faxed to AP that its fighters captured two Israeli soldiers "on the border with occupied Palestine, fulfilling the promise to liberate its prisoners" held by Israel.
No statement about an Israeli incursion. Hmmm. Now the story changes though. Hmmm. And coming from the Lebanese government no less, who have said they will fight alongside Hesbollah. Hmmm indeed.
Greg, you are pro-terrorism. I'm not being hyperbolic about it. You simply are. You are not even a legitimate peacenik. You are simply for the other side. How sad.
Yet right after the kidnapping, Hezbollah said in a statement faxed to AP that its fighters captured two Israeli soldiers "on the border with occupied Palestine, fulfilling the promise to liberate its prisoners" held by Israel.
No statement about an Israeli incursion. Hmmm. Now the story changes though. Hmmm. And coming from the Lebanese government no less, who have said they will fight alongside Hesbollah. Hmmm indeed.
Greg, you are pro-terrorism. I'm not being hyperbolic about it. You simply are. You are not even a legitimate peacenik. You are simply for the other side. How sad.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at July 22, 2006 03:32 PM (8e/V4)
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LOL.
Do we need any more proof that Bluto is a goddamned socialist? He compares being paid little for your work to slavery! I thought that stopped being fashionable in the 1920s, when the out-and-out communists stopped being a major player in American politics.
Anyway, long live the proletariet and all that, but me and my capitalist sensibilities will be over here, not protecting people from themselves. Kudos to you Bluto, for revealing what socialist scum you really are.
Posted by: MiB at July 22, 2006 04:39 PM (SsNTi)
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Greg, that is absolutely displaying a total lack of judgment. Now that Israel has brought the pain, Hezbollah backtracks, and claims they didn't cross a recognized international border. But their first claim was that they did. Why are you believing these guys? Do you really think Israel would launch a cross border raid while fighting in the Gaza at the same time? And if they did, don't you think Hezbollah would have said that at first, rather than bragging about their brilliant cross border operation?
Seriously, think about it. Just because you dislike Israel don't automatically discount everything they say.
Seriously, think about it. Just because you dislike Israel don't automatically discount everything they say.
Posted by: jd at July 22, 2006 06:21 PM (DQYHA)
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Asking Greg to think seriously about anything is a waste of time. The only thing he is serious about is his support for terrorists.
Posted by: jesusland joe at July 22, 2006 07:37 PM (rUyw4)
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jd,
well said. Not to mention that in the faxed statement, Hesbollah stated clearly WHY they made that cross-border raid, i.e., to fulfill it's promise to liberate paleo prisoners. And it coincided perfectly with the Gaza kidnapping too. Yet, as you say, not such good timing for Israel. Not that it makes any difference to Greg though. He's got a job to do. I've already seen that allegation- stated as fact-- pop up on another site, so I know he and his jew-hating buddies have been busy.
well said. Not to mention that in the faxed statement, Hesbollah stated clearly WHY they made that cross-border raid, i.e., to fulfill it's promise to liberate paleo prisoners. And it coincided perfectly with the Gaza kidnapping too. Yet, as you say, not such good timing for Israel. Not that it makes any difference to Greg though. He's got a job to do. I've already seen that allegation- stated as fact-- pop up on another site, so I know he and his jew-hating buddies have been busy.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at July 22, 2006 10:51 PM (8e/V4)
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