The Salafi jihadi umbrella organization which includes al Qaeda, The Islamic State of Iraq, has released a video showing the downing of a U.S. Chinook Helicopter on February 7th. The video is posted below. Updates at end of post.

Here is the animated picture released with the video by al Furqa media, an al Qaeda in Iraq production company. Yes, I know it's hard to believe, but al Qaeda has several production companies

The helicopter appears to have been downed with an anti-aircraft missile. A few days ago the same Islamic State of Iraq claimed to have discovered a "new method" for shooting down helicopters. But it is increasingly becoming clear that this "new method" is the use of anti-aircraft SAMs, probably brought in from Syria or Iran. Update: Roggio thinks Iran. See below.

As is common with al Qaeda linked jihadis, the announcement claimed that 15-20 "Crusaders" were killed, and not the 7 that actually lost their lives.

--

SITE:

The Islamic State of Iraq, through its al-Furqan Foundation, the official producer and distributor of multimedia for the group, issued today, Friday, February 9, 2007, a two and a half minute video of their claimed attack from February 7 in which a Chinook helicopter was downed in the area of al-Karma, in al-Anbar governorate.In the prior communiqué, the Islamic State indicated that the craft was shot down by its “Anti-Aircraft” battalion and this was purportedly witnessed by hundreds of people who shouted “Allah is Great!”. The message from today introducing the video notes the U.S. Army announcing the death of seven soldiers; however, the group claims that eyewitnesses observed 15-20 bodies removed from the scene.

Footage shows a Chinook helicopter in flight and then fire erupting from its tail end. A smoke trail follows as it plummets to the ground.

The cells are thought to be armed with Russian made Strela SA-7 anti-aircraft missiles, a first generation shoulder fired anti-aircraft missile which is widely distributed throughout the world. These weapons are not as sophisticated as U.S. made Stingers, which were used with deadly consequences by mujahideen in Afghanistan against Soviet fixed and rotary wing aircraft. U.S. aircraft have systems to deter missile threats (jammers, flairs, chaff) but there are no reports these systems were deployed during any of the engagements....

It is surprising al-Qaeda has not made a more concerted effort to bring down Coalition aircraft. The military, political, and propaganda value of destroying U.S. helicopters is too great to be ignored. It has been speculated al-Qaeda in Iraq didn't possess enough weapons systems or training to effectively field the missiles.

The suspicion is the Islamic Republic of Iran is behind supplying al-Qaeda with the needed weapons, training and logistical support to supply and field a successful anti-aircraft force, much as the United States provided the mujahideen with Stingers in Afghanistan in the 1980s.

Sources indicate the cells may actually be using the SA-14 Gremlin (or Strela 3), which "has an improved system of overcoming countermeasures, increased range and flight altitude," according to Global Security, and was "developed for destroying low flying aircraft and helicopters." This second generation surface to air missile was developed in the late 1970s.

An intelligence source indicates "a large batch of these Strelas were transfered to al-Qaeda," but would not identify the country of origin. We noted, based one multiple sources, the likelihood is Iran is providing the weapons to al-Qaeda, and the timing of the activation of these cells is to close to the rise in tensions between Iran and the U.S. to be a coincidence.

Posted by: Rusty at 10:26 AM | Comments (29) | Add Comment
Post contains 646 words, total size 5 kb.

1 Damn! It looks like the pilots were in control all the way up until the end, but the fire looked like it overwhelmed the helo just as it was setting down.

Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at February 09, 2007 11:55 AM (oC8nQ)

2 ".... suspicion is the Islamic Republic of Iran is behind supplying al-Qaeda with the needed weapons, training and ... "

Dr. S.,
I hate to say I told you so, but Sir, I told you so!
Another reason to suspect the IRI rather than Syria is that the former has the oil revenue to finance the whole chain of activity from purchasing the equipment to the logistics support to training etc etc etc.
Syria does have some oil revenue but nothing like the IRI.

In my opinion, the only good member of the IRI regime is a dead one.

Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at February 09, 2007 12:05 PM (vixLB)

3 I'm not positive its SAM's as much as its RPG27 and RPG29's plus hacked RPG7's.

As I understand it, the best way for a pilot to thwart ground based RPG attacks is by dodging them because of the tell-tale signature and slow speed of the RPG. The shitbags have modified the RPG7 exahust ports now with a metal pipe so that the exhaust signature gives off a false direction of its trajectory, thus pilots are not able to dodge them as efficiently.

The RPG27 and RPG29 are both faster weapons plus they carry larger payloads that are designed to thwart armor in a more efficient manner. They are all produced by "our friends" the Russians.

Posted by: Gabriel at February 09, 2007 12:27 PM (NTVio)

4

I mentioned this before, but it bears repeating. SAMs are the perfect weapon for Shiite Iran to supply to Sunni Al-Qeada. Its not like Iran would be worried about them being used on their crappy Air Force. Its a weapon that would almost exclusively kill Americans.

Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at February 09, 2007 12:35 PM (oC8nQ)

5 The helicopter in the video is not a CH-47 Chinook (used by the Army).  The rear wheel cowlings show that this a CH-46 Seaknight, used by the Marines.  Other countries also use the Seaknight. 
 
That doesn't mean that the film is fake, but this possibly could be a remote-controlled helicopter used in a missile test, or it could have simply been mis-captioned. 
 
Bob

Posted by: 509th Bob at February 09, 2007 12:44 PM (RxE9L)

6 You are stupid. Anyway, the Chinook and the Sea Knight obviously look alike.

Posted by: John Doe at February 09, 2007 03:43 PM (SYd2E)

7 Could somebody here explain why it's okay for this site to run a video shot by terrorists which shows them killing Americans, but it's wrong for CNN to show videos of the sniper?

I don't quite understand where you get off being critical of CNN for something you do yourself.

Posted by: John at February 09, 2007 04:21 PM (qiTAx)

8 Well at least you can tell what happened in this one.

Posted by: Howie at February 09, 2007 05:21 PM (YHZAl)

9

My question is, are you holding this blog' to same high standard as media outlets, or are you holding CNN to the low standard of a blog.

Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at February 09, 2007 05:50 PM (oC8nQ)

10 I'm holding this blog to practice what it preaches.

The accusations against CNN was that they were traitors for showing that footage. Whether it's a major network, a blog, or granny's newsletter doesn't make a difference... according to this site's own retarded logic, if you show that sort of footage, you are with the terrorists.

So what's the deal. Why is it okay for Jawa Report to show this while being critical of CNN?

Maybe "The Jihad Report" would be a better name for this site?

Posted by: John at February 09, 2007 06:29 PM (qiTAx)

11 Who IS this geek "john doe"?  Was a CH-46 shot down?  According to reports, YES.  Does the moron jihadist implicitly claim that it was a CH-47?  Yes.  Well, hello, dumbshit jihadist, it wasn't a CH-47.  But, perhaps, I malign you.  You AREN'T a dumbshit muslim jihadist?  Perhaps you are a fruitcake American left-wing Moonbat with no grounding in reality.  I simply pointed out a FACTUAL innaccuracy.  You should rest happy tonight in the knowledge that when your idiotic ideology becomes rampant in this country, and that I will happily slay you and your fellow believers.  Assuming I don't live that long, then my children will.  You had better learn to pray to Allah.  I look forward to ripping the veils off your psycho women slaves (even if they are bull-dyke feminists).

Respectfully,
509th Bob

Posted by: 509th Bob at February 09, 2007 07:55 PM (a8v1Q)

12

John ... a couple of words on why this site and CNN aren't engaged in the same practice. "CONTEXT". We are examining this material trying to understand the what tactics the enemy are employing, on a 'anti-terror' blog. Think CSI online. Some of the commenters here are really good at what they do.

If you're here, you already know this isn't the evening news. You are either here to find ways to analyze, and defeat terrorists. Or give aid and comfort to the enemy, like some Muslims, and Lefties do, or you are looking for "BALANCED" details about the war. By 'balanced' we would mean not just hours and hours of bad news that tore up whoever watched it, but good news as well, whichever is available.

CNN doesn't report good news, and exaggerates the bad news, so that an unbalanced presentation of events is what you get from them. In a word, they engage in "PROPAGANDA" by selection, and emphasis of the material they choose. In short, they only seem to use material that hurts our moral, and puts our victory at risk.

Here you get all the variety. Nobody likes the chopper being shot down unless it's some jihadist lurker, or far left psycho. On the other hand unlike CNN just showing the vid over, and over again, and shaking their heads, we try and use this information to arm ourselves, and even to debunk the MSM, like CNN, when they misrepresent something.

Here you get to see vids of C-130's tearing apart terrorist camps, and read about the arrests of hard core Islamist terrorists. It isn't all just Saddam hanging from a rope (which I didn't bother to watch, because I have that choice here, not at CNN) but also the vids with schools being built, and other good things that CNN wouldn't report on if they were paid (because news IS what they get paid for, and they don't report it, so case closed)

I hope this small effort answers your questions. They were fair to a point, and I can see where someone who hadn't measured the difference wouldn't catch it without an explanation.

It's still ugly to see our boys go down in flames, and I think I understand your distress.

USA, all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at February 10, 2007 04:08 AM (2OHpj)

13 Ok the difference is.....context and intent.  This blog is an active source.  You have to come here and actively seek the information.  That is what TJR is for.  We expose the messages and try and decipher them.  We try to close the websites.  We try to use thier own propaganda against them.  One example I can think of was when the beheadings were occuring the MSM reported them but yu really had not idea just how eveil they are.  So there was information that the MSM would not give out.  We can supply that information for those wishing to cut through the fog and see the truth of what they are.   F*cking evil.  There are different degrees of evil.  kinda evil, evil pretty evil and F*ucking evil.  The terrorists are F*cking evil.

But then the MS will turn around and show other propaganda like Juba that is inteneded to break your will and it is sanitized.  Lacking the F*cking evil parts.  It portrays Juba as a hero.  I have 1/2 of juba II posted uncensored for reference. 

We also scan the messages for emails.  And unlike the MSM when we deterimine who a terrorist is guess what we do....  it sure as hell ain't "protect our source".

CNN is passive.  You can be sitting in the beuty shop and see your boys shot passively.  It's not good for the war effort and CNN never reported all the dragging the people out of the car and shooting them that IAIproduces.

We would like to win the war. If all te ihdai propaganda and tapes and websites were gone tomorrow we'd say yippie and just post boobs. 
Just like the other day. I cut the chopper swap vid down a bit. Not because t ws too big I can upload 90 megs to google vid. But beacuse I wasn't too thrilled to show the rest of it (EID's bodys flying such and such). But mike the marine asked and I gave both the original and the copy. He wanted to try and debunk it. I won't keep it from you. I would be happy to have it dubunked. I would be happy if our intelligence boys were able to use the vid tofind these guys and take em out. The Army of Mujahadbeens that is.

Posted by: Howie at February 10, 2007 08:25 AM (YHZAl)

14 So as you can see I'm often torn too.  It is jihadi or the enemy's propaganda.  It's a tough thing.  I ask myself all the time, am I helping or hurting. should I or shouldn't I.  I give the reader credit to be able to recognize that and think independently.  Many more times than I can recall I had propaganda I didn't publish.  There is a ton of it. most of it is not newsworhty is just he same repetitive IES and allahu akbars, shootings, murders, choppings and stuff.

Posted by: Howie at February 10, 2007 08:36 AM (YHZAl)

15 Bob is just a dumbass. I know a Sea Knight was shot down. Not a Chinook. That's why I said they look alike. I was saying that saying a remote controlled helicopter was shot down was stupid. Pay attention when people talk to you. And LOL, I can't believe so many people have such nasty attitudes and foul mouths on this website. LOL, good one Bob. Your cursing really made my day. ROFLOL, you are probably Maximus/grey Rooster/ Jeff Bargholz. ROFLOL, dumb Jihadist. ROFLOL, Yeah, go ahead and kill me.

Posted by: John Doe at February 10, 2007 08:56 AM (SYd2E)

16 I don't buy your excuses. CNN - shitty a network as it is - was exposing how inssurgents use the internet as a propaganda tool. You and the rightwing blogosphere pick at CNN because it serves your interests to call it the "liberal media", and imagine they are "with the terrorists", and yet when you are caught doing the exact same thing, you come up with some bullshit about trying to figure out ways to defeat the terrorists.

Whateves guys. Just another reason for me to believe that Jawa Report is the stupidest place on the internet. Really... I mean it. I've never seen so many delusional people in one place. The fact that you are allowed to have guns is really fucking scary.

Posted by: John at February 10, 2007 11:02 AM (S3Rzh)

17 John Dork:


Bob caught you spewing bullshit and called you on it. Whining about it just makes you look like an even worse prick.


The notion that a left-wing hatemonger objects to foul language is hilarious, by the way. Next you'll claim to possess morals, and care about U.S. troops.


Fuck off back to whatever hole you crawled out of, shit-stain.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at February 10, 2007 12:11 PM (Dt3sl)

18 Johke:


Give it up. Your hate America propaganda has already been exposed. Jawa uses film footage to highlight islamopithecine atrocities and educate its readers. CNN uses doctored footage to promote opposition to the Coalition's mission to aid Iraqis combat the terrorists.


Just because you take it up the ass, doesn't mean the rest of us are going to bend over. Your islamopithecine taqiyah is tiresome. You fool nobody.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at February 10, 2007 12:15 PM (Dt3sl)

19 Jeff,

You are one interesting guy. You have all the earmarkings of either a serial killer, or a nazi, or both. I can't really tell which, but one thing is for sure... you and Osama Bin Laden would get along swimmingly. Your delusional world view is one of the tightest I've ever seen on the internet. I just hope the cops get to you before you hurt anybody.

But by all means keep telling yourself that showing this video "helps" in some way. It's fun to play pretend.

And for the record... I've changed my mind about you and these other freaks going to Iraq. Thank fuck you aren't there, cuz all you'd do is make things worse. Christ... you could probably justify rape in the crazy head of your's.

Posted by: John at February 10, 2007 12:41 PM (S3Rzh)

20 ROFLOL, Jeff is such a child. Making fun of someone's last name. How immature. ROFLOL, thanks Jeff. I haven't laughed that hard in years. Yeah, dork. How mature. LOL, this is too much. I have to go.

Posted by: dummy at February 10, 2007 02:21 PM (SYd2E)

21 John, ignore the child. He makes fun of last names because he's a suix year old and because he's retarded.

Posted by: dummy at February 10, 2007 02:22 PM (SYd2E)

22 No John I've considered it a lot. Thats my thoughts on it. My opinion. If you want to dismiss it as an excuse and not adress it fine. But I have thought about it. And thought about it a lot. So your accusations that I don't have any morals is not true.

I just don't have very many that's sarcasm asswipes.

Also CNN was running the thing for sale on their cable network so they'll show it for money. I don't get any of that so, lick me. If you don't want to see the vid that's fine. But there is a debate on arms and what kinds of arms are being used in Iraq that is relevant so screw you. If you don't want to see the vid don't effing click over here and watch it then.

Posted by: Howie at February 10, 2007 03:55 PM (YHZAl)

23 Poop, LOL!!!!

Posted by: dummy at February 10, 2007 04:46 PM (SYd2E)

24 Just keep telling yourself you're better than CNN Howie, but you have advocated a policy that has made shit far worse, and made America less safe. With 9/11 Bin Laden has played guys like you for chumps, and made you do his dirty work for him. Congratulations on ruining the U.S. of A buddy. Nice work.

Ta for now.

Posted by: John at February 10, 2007 05:21 PM (S3Rzh)

25 Johke:


Nice try at pretending to be an infidel. You're an islamopithecine piece of british shit, and none of your lies work on adults.


I really wish we could meet and discuss matters further, mighty islamopithecine warrior.


You don't know how lucky you are, pussywhip.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at February 10, 2007 06:03 PM (Dt3sl)

26

Howie, sometimes you just have to accept the scorn of people like 'John' for what it is ... In other words take the compliment

When you get ripped on, consider the source. If you are attacked by a "Giant Socialist Weasel" then it is the highest form of praise, and a badge of honor, no matter the weasels intentions.

USA, all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at February 11, 2007 03:31 PM (2OHpj)

27 Mike, nah he doesn't bother me.  I explained my feelings on the matter and addressed his question.  Which I thought was fair and a good one.  Unfotunately he doen't pu much effort into his reply.  Which shows he is just looking for a percieved weakness to exploit. We don't really have a "policy". We just  use our best judgement at the time abnd try to make information available to those who want it.  Rather than just do a commentary on how horrible a beheading was or callng juba a freedom fighter like the MSM.  John's "freedom fighters" the  IAI routinely murder innocent Iraqis.  The are part of the ISI umbrella organization.  They murdered 150 this AM.  It's funny how liberals are.  On NPR they will tell you stories about Americans saving Iraqis from death squads in one breath and then say we should abandon them to the murderers in the next.  They call it "redeplotyment." I call it leaving your duty to Iraq to hide on a base.  Yes it is out duty.  I'm nat talking about the the invasion.  I'm not sure theat was the brightest move but I believe we have a responsibility to clean up our mess.  The Iraqi people are our charges and to abandon them to murderers and death squads is cowardice of the politcal kind. If we are beathen then let congress draft a surrender and leave with what little honor we'll have left.  But no they will dick around and dick around.  No one in Congress believes we will leave Iraq.  It's all political crap about how many men and will they be active or just sit around on a base while terrorists murder thousands. But that's just like a liberal. They will stand around and watch a crime then blame it on the everything but the criminal.  I was in St Louis a whil back.  Some girl was carjacked  on the news.  they drug her out of her car and after they had her car they shot her anyway.  My comment was that if honets people were allowed to have a gun,  If about the first five guys who ran up to carjack car eneded up with his brain all over the street and his buddys saw it soon it would end.  People woudn't carjack becuase well the bullets flying through thier skull would serve a a deterrant. So my opinion was if you are being carjacked shoot the bastard in the face. Stops that shit rith quick.  The looks I got from all the liberal assholes.  They think the evil gun killed this woman. No it was a man a criminal asshole who had no mercy even after he took her SUV.  He deserves to be shot in teh face.

Posted by: Howie at February 12, 2007 09:55 AM (YHZAl)

28 Man oh man Howie.

Well first off, all those "death squads" roaming Iraq... they weren't there before the invasion. You helped create them, so a big fuck you for that.

Yeah... this mess is huge, and one that America can't make better. I see one way out. Bush and Cheney resign, state that they fucked up big time, BEG for peace in Iraq, and BEG the UN for help.

T'aint gonna happen, so I won't hold my breath, but those asswipes accepting responsibility is the only way out I see. Acting with that kind of honour might actually shame all of the parties to the peace talks table, and the UN won't be such a target as Americans. Of course... this means internationals putting their lives on the line for your fuck ups, but whatever. We all have to clean up after retards every now and again don't we?

Now as for good judgement... clearly this is something you do not have, since everything you say is wrong. You were wrong about the war, you're wrong about global warming, and you are wrong about guns. You seem to think everything can be solved with guns... hence the reason your civilizaton is going to shit.

You want to prevent carjackings... help those guys when they're kids. Don't wait till they're adults and then shoot em in the face.

Anyhoo... I don't care. I don't live down there. You retards do what you want. America is like Rome in 40 AD. Good luck with that.

Posted by: John at February 12, 2007 11:48 AM (S3Rzh)

29 Johke:


Nobody in America is forcing death squads to roam Iraq, although leftist scum like you definitely support them.


Of course a maggot like you thinks it would be better if Bush surrenderd to the terrorists, called in the Umma Nations, and resigned. Scumbag.


Retards like you know the terrorists don't negotiate--not that making concessions to them is the answer--but you don't care what happens in Iraq and the world so long as Bush is seen as a failure.


Our civilization doesn't allow dirty old men to butt-ram 16 year old boys, or for islamopithecines to gang rape women. House music and ecstasy are not the main cultural pursuits, we do not have national speech codes, we are not prohibited from stepping on Hizb' allah flags, we do not have an astronomical crime rate, and we do not allow minors to terrorize the adult population with impunity.


Your civilization is going to shit precisely because of your suicidal, mindless, political correctness. Idiots like you think that no problem can be solved with guns--hence, your rampant crime.


Car jackers shoot car owners in the face--they are not shot in the face by police. I wish they were. More welfare produces more criminals--like your chavs, shit for brains.


You're just another loser envious of America's success. We outperform you, and it pisses you off. Instead of whining about it like a little bitch, try to accomplish something worthwhile, you contemptible bigot.

Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at February 12, 2007 05:55 PM (Dt3sl)

Hide Comments | Add Comment