October 25, 2004

Muslims Massacre 'Zionist' Pigs--literally

This is just too funny to go unnoticed. AP via Robert Spencer:

Muslims armed with machetes attacked several pig farms in Indonesia, slaughtering around 20 swine they claimed were giving of "offensive" odors, The Jakarta Post reported Thursday.

Police did nothing to stop the attack Wednesday in South Tatura, central Sulawesi province, the paper reported. The farms belonged to local Christians.

"The farms give out a bad odor and this is offensive, especially during Ramadan," said local Muslim leader Abdul Haris, referring to the Islamic fasting month where religious feelings often run high.

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1 This is funny. Everybody is out of control!! I'm going to kill that cat across the street cos it keeps shitting on my lawn!! This post has inspired me!! Hold on. Do you think I can blame the muslims for igniting my insanity? Need a response quick before I cool down and start respecting other peoples belongings.

Posted by: LMAO at October 25, 2004 01:15 PM (p5xDI)

2 Ah, too bad some of the offensive orders given off weren't coming from any of Zarqawi and his breed! Coulda gotten rid of a lot that way.

Posted by: Laura at October 25, 2004 01:56 PM (ptOpl)

3 Muslims smell far worse than pigs. I know I've been aroung both.

Posted by: greyrooster at October 25, 2004 04:07 PM (CBNGy)

4 Moral of the story: Save a pig, slaughter a muslim.

Posted by: Ron at October 25, 2004 04:55 PM (Idfw3)

5 "Muslims smell far worse than pigs. I know I've been aroung both."

"Moral of the story: Save a pig, slaughter a muslim."

Wow, this is the kind of electorate that "voted" in the current president. Rusty, I love the company you keep - nothing better than having racists in your corner to defend your views, huh? Ah well, misery loves company, right? Idiots.

Posted by: Venom at October 26, 2004 08:53 AM (dbxVM)

6 VEMON: You silly asshole. Muslim haters are racists???? Racists are people that dislike people because of their race. Get it dummy??White, Black, Asian, etc. Calling religion haters racists is typical of the gobble gook that spews from your stupid head. I hate the Islamic religion. I have good reason for hating them. 9/11 and the beheading videos are two reasons. I have many more. As usual you have no stand on anything. You're nothing. Just talk, nothing else. Piss on you.

Posted by: greyrooster at October 29, 2004 02:30 PM (UrAtW)

7 (Muslim lunch), hot pile of DOG SHIT, sprinkled with sand and washed down with PIG PISS,
for desert they lick eachothers assholes and daydream of sucking muhammeds cock.Fuckyou Muslim.

Posted by: ragheadallah at December 05, 2004 05:56 PM (DYtlX)

8 you hate the islamic religion? it doesnt sound like you know much about it you idiot september 11 isnt about islam at all its just a scapegoat for ignorant pieces of human waste such as yourself i hope you and george bush can find an arraingment in which you can both eat shit and die fuckin punk bitch!

Posted by: cam at December 13, 2004 06:56 AM (7d2k/)

9 first of all, islam isn't a fucking religion. it's a bunch of ignorant pig-fuckers who follow the rants of a fucking moonbat seventh century diaper sniper. fuck islam and all the subhuman muzzies that follow it.

Posted by: muzziekiller at December 24, 2004 05:45 PM (s364H)

10 Those who do not think Islam is evil are idiots..
Those who think 9/11 is not true Islam are the most stupid pigs ever. Please checkout the worldwide celebration of 9/11 among the muslims!

The great clash between camel-fuckers and infidels will come in several decades. In fact we have seen a little preview in Netherlands, where Theo is the martyr of infidels.
When the great clash comes, we, the infidels, should do all we can to kill the camel-fuckers!
Infidels of the world, unite! Kill the camel fuckers!

Posted by: heihei at January 08, 2005 03:01 AM (stQ7k)

11 I say Fuck Islam. This war's been going on since the very beginning. Read your fucking history dammit. Those mujahideen mutherfuckers have been trying to conquer the world ever since they first heard their message of war from that blaspheming "prophet" Muhammad. I say we put up a razorwire fence around the whole Middle East to pen those bastards up. Let them have their Islamic States, their Shari'a law, their adultery stonings and whatever else they like. But they can stay the fuck away from us and we away from them. I say we leave Iraq; let em' have a civil war. I'm sick of seeing my brothers, American soldiers, fighting and dying for bastards who don't even appreciate their sacrifice. Fuck them. Fuck of all of them.

Posted by: GoDFreyOfBouillon at January 28, 2005 05:17 AM (FP3na)

12 I say bomb the hell out of mecca. Flatten it.
We have no need for a fake belief that even the followers have no idea on the truth of its origin.
Rid the world of islam !!!!

Posted by: muslim shits at February 20, 2005 01:18 PM (IZPwe)

13 FUCK ALL RELIGIONS WITH ALL THEIR USELESS FUCKING GODS. MAY ALL GODS FUCK WITH DUDI AZRAN FROM THE FUCKING ISRAELI POLICE.

Posted by: PEMBENCI SEMUA AGAMA at February 21, 2005 06:14 AM (mnBwW)

14 God gave us free will. And you are using it to say what you like. Use it while you can. But it will come back to you. Humans often forget they are mortal. When you die, who will you turn to? If you dont believe in a greater being then you might as well live the most of your current life! Enjoy it while you can. Whatever your religion, if your a good person, you will be rewarded. There's only one God. Who sent down different religion. You will be surprised at how many Muslims live the same life as other religions, but you dont know until you've seen it. Well, anyway, I would rather believe there is some kind of explantion for this fucked up world than to believe in nothing!

Posted by: Adam at February 22, 2005 05:38 PM (SIJjd)

15 Fuck Islam


All muslims should die


FUcking Dirty motherfuckers


STFU!!!!!!!!!! bitch ass mofo, being all gangsta on da internet... tell that to a real MUSLIM in his eyes!!!

Posted by: Fuck u Muslim at March 02, 2005 03:51 AM (wtMij)

16 you you you you don't see what's going on in phalsteen what israel and usa are doing & i don't wanna talk about iraq i think the real mother fuckers are israel and usa yea
there's too many of people i mean from usa and another plasec they didn't found some answers about the life ...
when some 1 died u saying he will be in the sky and the islam has all the answers about this...

Posted by: muslem at March 07, 2005 01:02 PM (Hc6Fr)

17 Here is what i find funny about Islam/Muslims if you look at the Islamic/Muslim world every part of their lives involes the West, not thru our ("THE WEST's") doing but thru their own.

Tell me Muslims what cars do you drive, planes do you fly, where do you get you Heavy Eqp and expertise from when you want to build something? who provides you with your grain for food&textiles for cloth? The West does!! All the Middle East woud be a far worse shithole than it already is if the West was not their to provide you with all you need!

And we are called Infidels, We are the ones who put Men on the Moon, Split the Atom and try to work for the betterment of man, All Islam does is bitch about the West encroaching on it's borders and Ala Ala ala Ala Ala.

Look at the facts you Hipocritcal Towel Heads, You say the west is to blame for all your problems but look at the borders of the Islamic World, Islam is trying to expand in every direction and in all cases it is thru Violence.

look around from the Sudan to the Phillippines to Chechnia and even in the rural regions of China, all over Islam is spreading thru Violence.

And it looks like the day is coming where the world is sick of Islam again just like back in the day when the Khan's laid waiste to the Middle East and Asia. Why did he do this because of Islamic stupidity just like today!

Look it up,look into your history, Islam was the greatest Culture on Earth at one time, but you ruined it for yourself's by pissing off Ghengis Kahn. All he wanted to do was open a trade route with one of your Sultan's. So he sent an envoy and a Cravan to open negotiations. What did the Dumbass Sultan do he stole all the goods from the Caravan and killed or enslaved everyone in it. Ghengis was like WTF, Huh what was that for? So he sent another envoy. This time the Sultan cut off his hair and sent him back in shame. This Ghengis was incenced at, and spent the next 2 years hunting down the Sultan and laying waste to the Middle East&Arabia. Ever since then the Islamic world has been an empty void trying to fill itself.

Then ya luck out and all that Oil is out there, lol what would you be without your Oil, someday we will see and all Muslims should be dreading that day, because that will be the day we are free to deal with you as we want, not how we have to because of the Oil,

Look out Islam/Muslims the 2nd Crusade is approaching and this time we have many more Horses and Knights!

Posted by: Pop at March 09, 2005 08:40 PM (4cDXM)

18 1st thing that i wanna say s

im muslem and im so proud to be

thx god .. cause we gotta a real life

over here..and we have nothing to shame about

not like u . u just running after ur desire

like animals with out any kinda of roles

u dont know that there s some day that u will

gonna be punsh.and blame. u just living the

dream that u wouldnt wanna even wake up

im proud to be a muslem cause i dont wanna

grow up n a family without father that choose

to leave us for his desires or mother that

drink all the time..what a life ha!..

u hate islam and muslems cause they have roles

that make us be good people.
make us be nice.

u hate islam cause u wanna live ur dreams

cause islam wanna mention u about god

im proud to be muslem

cause we have brain knew how to use it

faitful to each other.care for each other

so who should be shame about his life?

who s the bad one now?
u tell me who should be feel suck about his life

now ha!..

i realy feel sorry about u .

n the end.i dont know what i will gonna say more
but

thxgod im muslem and proud

and wish for u to open ur eyes someday and see what i see.

and we all gonna say who will win n the end

front of god


Posted by: anaconda at March 10, 2005 03:23 AM (ez722)

19 What Dreams do Muslims/Islam have, other than to make the World Islamic ????? Anaconda you make it seem lke Muslims/Islam has a great culture like they are doing thigs to improve the life of man, name 1 thing that Islam has done for the world in the last 20 years ???? I cant think of any.

And yur talking about our lives as if none of it happens to Muslims. Are there Alchoholic Muslims i think so, are there Adulturous Muslims i know so!!

You miss the point like every Muslim, The West is not the root of your problems, It is a decadent lifestyle, and an inability to get out of the 16th century, No other Religion on the face of the planet is as violent and hipocritical as Islam is, All over the Islamic world there is no tolerance, you Bomb/destroy other peoples icons/religios symbols and have no respect for anyone else. You cry about the West and how bad it is, yet you do nothing of the Dictators in "ALL" of the Islamic countries, who give you the life you have that you hate so much and blame the West for,

And so Anaconda good for you i am glad you are proud to be Muslim, only question i have for you is what do you have to be proud of? Name something for me one thing please !!

Look at the Fact's Islam you are your own worst enemy!!! Quit blaming the West and clean your own house ya Tards !!!!!

Posted by: pop at March 10, 2005 02:11 PM (4cDXM)

20 FUCK YOU ALL MUSLIM ASSHOLES IT IS BECAUSE OF YOU CLOWNS WITH NO FUCKIN RESPECT TO LIFE THAT WE HAVE TO FLEE OUR COUNTRIES YOU PATHETIC ASSHOLES

Posted by: Nino at March 11, 2005 02:35 PM (GYnaq)

21 we didn't attack on america till they attack on us
they want the oil ...the center and damage the big force in the arabian world ... we are not terrorists ... we are not crazy .. we resist the invasion .. there is no one like to see the blood
..babies death ...forgin people go into them homes without permission ...islam is peace not as u see ... we are human ...there is crazy people wana to make this world as the jungle . thats all i can say ... and i think you have mind to think more not about the mony ...thanks for reading
ali

Posted by: ali at March 13, 2005 09:31 AM (2efel)

22 you guys make it seem like all muslims are evil and terrorists... i am a muslim and i dont believe anything you say... we are not a violent religion/nation... the ppl u see gettin executed on tv and 9/11 were all done by EXTREMISTS... they try to inforce religion into what they are doing and thats not true... i believe that yes we as a nation have problemslike any other nation... what im trying to tell u is that their are muslims who dont beleive in hate and death to all americans!... we are a peaceful religion with peaceful ppl...

Posted by: hamad at March 14, 2005 06:16 AM (PcZlV)

23 It is funny how you associate Islam and terrorists, it is funny how everyone jumps to conclusions. I understand the terrible tragedy all the Americans had to witness on 9/11, I myself am an American-Muslim I have several of my relatives in Iraq fighting for our freedom, there were also muslims that lost their life when the tragedy unfolded, the Pakistani government ( a muslim majority country) is one of America's greastest ally. The terrorists are a muslim minority who fight for their own cause and in no way or form represent all of the muslim community around the world. Their actions are condemned by the Islamic Doctrine. The Quran preaches peace "to save a life is to save mankind as whole." Jihad means "religious struggle" not be taken literally but in a spritual sense. Jihad is an internal stuggle within oneself to seperate mind body and soul. Most Arab Americans are victims of these terrorists and therefore have found there homes in America now only to have fallen victim to ignorance and nonsense hatred. Most of the American community is understanding but there are still a handful out there that have been blinded by there own hatred. If you want to believe that these terrorists represent all muslims than you must also accept the fact that the KKK represent all White Americans, its like saying Adolf Hitler represents all Germans, its like saying when Presindent Bush said to James Robinson: 'I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but I sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I know it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it. - Does this mean that this war represents all Christians all across the world, I do not think so. All I want to get across is hatred only leads hatred and the very thing that we are criticizing is what we are feeding.

Posted by: Ashiq Ali at March 14, 2005 11:58 AM (dRuXE)

24 Hello POP I would just like to say that every accomplishment up till today is not measured by a religion but by an individual. For example the car was invented not by Chiristianity, Islam, or Buddhism but by a person. Just because you are a part of the same religion as the person does not mean you are to share part in his/her accomplishment. The real question is what have you done for the betterment of humanity? Seems like you are only spreading hate.

Posted by: Ashiq Ali at March 14, 2005 12:43 PM (dRuXE)

25 Hey Ashiq, well lets see, yesterday i did my usual bi-weekly volunteer stint at the homeless shelter,and i am in the Big Brother program ( kind of like Al-Qaeda or Islamic Jihad) but without the Military training camps or "Hatefull" retoric. We just like to show the kids a good time,not teach them how to blow up themselves or others.

I like to think that what i do is helping humanity, by showing compassion and a willingness to help out people in need. Very much like the "Red Cross" who helps out all over the world regardless of a persons creed,ethnicity or religion hmmmmmmm wonder if the Red Crescent does that? or do they only help out in Muslim countries ?

As for Islam not being a violent Religion, i am sure that the majority of Islam does not participate activly in terrorism, but they dont exactly get enraged by it like the rest of the world. I have seen Global protests against terrorism all over the place from Brazil to Japan, yet i have never seen or heard of a protest against terrorism in the Islamic world. To me that is as good as saying you support it!

And yes Ashiq things are made by individuals, that individual though has a background he may be Christian,Muslim or not be religious at all.

I may be ignorant to the facts because of where i live but what has an Islamic Individual done to better the world as of late? what Islamic Individual has made a diff outside of the Islamic world? the West is far more Giving than the Islamic World is on a Global front. When Iran has an Earthquake we send help they may be an Enemy or non friend but we help anyway. Can the same be said of the Islamic World do they help others?

And i dont think i am spreading hate Ashiq,i believe everything i have said is true, if not please correct me. Once again Muslims please read what i say answer the questions, dont just respond to them prove me wrong !

Time to crack another beer, Ashiq would you like one :-)

Posted by: Pop at March 14, 2005 10:41 PM (4cDXM)

26 HOW ARE MUSLIMS PIGS ,WHEN THE WHITE RATS EAT PORK CHOPS??? FUCKING WHITE PIG!!!!!!

Posted by: DOGGY G at March 16, 2005 05:57 AM (JPXJ5)

27 HMMMMMMM, typical Islamic answer!

First off Doggy G, i think ya misread the post?

Second Pork Chops and Bacon taste great !!!!
you should try it sometime might cool off the Radical in ya!!

Still waiting for some answers, or am i 100% right in what i say ?

Posted by: Pop at March 16, 2005 02:57 PM (4cDXM)

28 Very nice Ashiq, ty for opening a dialogue !!

The reason that Aga Khan may be so understanding and helpfull, is that he was raised in the West. Son of Prince Aly Khan and Princess Tajuddawlah Aly Khan, the Aga Khan was born on December 13, 1936, in Geneva. He spent his early childhood in Nairobi, Kenya, and then attended Le Rosey School in Switzerland for nine years. He graduated from Harvard University in 1959 with a BA Honors Degree in Islamic history.

Also his sons were educated in the West! His elder son, Prince Rahim, who graduated from Brown University (USA) in 1995, has similar responsibilities in respect of the Imamat's economic development institutions. His younger son, Prince Hussain, who graduated from Williams College (USA) in 1997, has recently joined the Secretariat and is involved in the cultural activities of the Network.

And even his titles have come from Western based leaders! The title His Highness was granted by Her Majesty the Queen of Great Britain in 1957, and His Royal Highness by His Imperial Majesty the Shah of Iran in 1959.

I def agree with you that he is a good man, and is a good muslim who helps out all over but he mostly helps out only where Ismailis live Today. the Ismailis live in some twenty-five countries, mainly in West and Central Asia, Africa and the Middle East, as well as in North America and Western Europe.

It does say he helps out all over, but it is mostly to help out members of the Ismailis faith.
That is what i understood when i read it?

Also he may be Muslim/Islamic but he was raised in the West, and got a Western education as did his sons, maybe this is why he is so generous, because of his Western background ?

Once again Ashiq, ty for chatting i look forward to your responce !!

P.S. I dont really like to et Drunk, just a good "Smile on my face" buzz :-)

Posted by: Pop at March 16, 2005 09:15 PM (4cDXM)

29 Oh i forgot Ashiq, about the,I have also seen across the world enraged-protests AGAINST this war on terror, are you implying that all the non-supporters are also terrorists?

Not in so many words Ashiq,i will put it this way if you are not against Terrorism that must mean you are for it. If you look at what happened to those poor children a few months back in Beslan,Russia, that is what i mean by Terrorism that is what brought me to my current frame of mind.

People who looked at that incident and came away with any sort of justification for it is a Terrorist supporter in my mind and thus a Terrorist.

To me if you believe in what Terrorists do you should be treated like one. Only fair if you give money to a Terror organization you are one !! "Only if you know it is a Terror Organization though", some are disguised as Aid Organizations, or Dummy companies.

If someone lets known and wanted Terrorists into their house to me he is one, and supports their cause.

Hope that cleared up my Opinion for ya ?

Posted by: Pop at March 16, 2005 11:56 PM (4cDXM)

30 hmmmmmmmmmmm...hey pop

i dont know what i will gona say to u but
there s 1 thing. f u wonder why islam didnt do
anything ?the answer s u
u just came to us and take our freedom
like now n iraq and phalastin.did u watch news
how many iraqians and phalastinians died n one day
?i guess not..why they didnt had a good euductions
ha?..
do u know why ?cause they had to go to look for another place to learn?..cause u dont left to us another safe place to go. cause u want the war
cause u r coming to our home and wana take it
from us..
u wana take our oil.what r u people?
f u say why muslems come to us and study n our
university?..that s because of YOU!!u dont left
to us peace n our home.
even u took our home.that s not enough for u
no..u want to kill us.what the life u gave it to us .u THE WEST..u just gave us bad things to learn
did u know what happend n ABO GREB.WHAT U had done to that men and women?.
u dont want us be n safe be n peace what we had done for u.to do all this bad things

we r the muslems r stronger than u
do u know why?..not because of the power of the technology no..but because of the power of God
that make us be better than u...heh

ANOTHER THING that i want to thank u ASHIQ ALI
about ur comment.and god pless u.

and INSHALLAH INSHALLAH we will gona win n the end n the biggest examination


Posted by: anaconda at March 17, 2005 07:13 AM (u8E3d)

31 Once again blaming the West Whole Hearted, and not looking at the facts !!

yes the USA is in Iraq, but how did they get into Iraq, and why are they still there ?

As i recall the USA has been a Guest on behalf of Arabian Governments/Countries like Kuwait,Saudi Arabia,Qatar ect ect there is a reason the West is there!

1) Would be the fact that for Decades "NO" one in the Islamic World did anything to stop So Damn Insane (Saddam Hussain) from invading his Neighbors, and the USA is one of the people to blame they helped him for years, because the Enemy of my Enemy is my friend and he was fighting against Iran.

But as soon as he invaided Kuwait regardless of Oil who got him out? It took the Western powers to fix an Arabian problem.

I dont believe we should be in the Mid East/Arabia, it is only because of the Oil that we are there, that is a fact. But you complain of US Troops killing civilians, yes that does happen but you have to believe,we unlike Terrorists do not intentionaly target civilians we dont.

Now i wonder who has killed more Iraqi's? The Terrorists and their bombings ( they take out many Civilians every time they bomb something)
Or US troops who respond to being fired on. And lets not forget that Terrorist's use Civilians as human shields,they will shoot at US troops from a building full of Civilians and when the US shoots back Civilians are killed. They also "HIDE" in Mosques,wich we have been more than patient in respecting Islams Religious Icons by not destroying them.

And it looks like the VAST Majority of Iraq wants the US there or else there would be much more damage done to US forces.

Try complaining about Muslims killing muslims, that is what is causing most of the casualties in Iraq.

And i dont think you can blame the US for Isreal killing Palestinians, sure we give them money and Eqp, but the Arabic world gets most of its weapons and eqp from China/N.Korea and Russia i am not about to Blame those countries for having their weapons used to kill US/Coalition troops.

And Anaconda get real m8, your Powerfull God has not helped out Muslims in many many a Decade, instead of asking him to "KILL THE INFIDELS" ya might want to try asking him to replace some of that Sand with Water !! Or to replace all of your Dictators with a Democratic Governing System much like the one your Powerfull God is letting us install in Iraq !!

See Anaconda to me Your God isn't exactly stoping us from doing what we want if anything he let us sweep aside the most powerfull army in the region in a matter of weeks. I think he is sending you and other Muslims a message. The message is you have lost your ways, and now i am punishing you!!

And as for the Education thing lol it does not take much to set up a decent college, the Reason most of the Islamic Worlds professionals go to school in the West is because we allow things to be studied that Islam does not we have no restrictions we welcome all new knowledge, We even encourage our Women to Read !!!!

Give it up Anaconda if God is all your hopes hang on you have already lost, Seeing is believing and i see the Islamic World changing as we want it to because "GOD" all of em are on our side.




Posted by: Pop at March 17, 2005 06:22 PM (4cDXM)

32 well..pop
u seems like u had a real close mind
so..i wil not bother myself for u
and weasting my time for YA!
AND BELEAVE me that u will gonna be sorry
about every word that u talkin about god

and we all gonna watch that..smarty!!
beleave me..im realy feel sorry about u

u seems u hadnt any idea about islam or the history of islamic reliogn
or u hadnt even read the qoran.so why i should care about someone like u
and 1 another thing:

now it s ur life.live it us u want to live it
and we the MUSLEMS will gonna have our real life n the end
GOOD BYE

Posted by: anaconda at March 19, 2005 01:59 AM (u8E3d)

33 Nope i dont have a closed mind at all, i am from the West !!!

I am simply responding to your post's, its just my Opinion/View of things,take it with a grain of salt.

Try Debating the Opinions/Views in my posts, if you think i am wrong tell me why, give me some substance!!

That is what these post's are all about the clashing of "Cultures" and "Ideals"

I welcome your responce's !!! Keep them coming.

It truly is better that we fight with words, instead of weapons!

Besides we all love a good argument !!

Posted by: Pop at March 19, 2005 02:38 AM (4cDXM)

34 Hey Pop,

I definitely agree with you that we should resolve our differences through dialog, rather than resort to violence. I enjoy posting my views on this site and derive equal pleasure in reading some of the readers’ responses. So, here I find myself writing yet another post:

I think it would be incorrect to say that the Aga Khan is a good man because he was brought up and educated in the Western World. Western culture alone, or any culture for that matter, does not necessarily make a person good or bad.

The Western World, without question, is a global human asset in that it promotes diversity and enjoys pluralist society where minorities are welcome. Everyone is allowed to move forward in an equitable manner. The Aga Khan has a deep appreciation for such diversity and pluralism. However, the West also permits consumption of Alcohol and other habits which are damaging to one’s health. I acknowledge that some Muslims do in fact indulge in these activities, which are against the teachings of Islam. The Aga Khan, having being raised in the Western Culture, could have very easily succumb to such activities. But did he? No. On the contrary, his value systems, which he derives from his Faith, allow him to make wise judgments and refrain from damaging activities. (Please note that I’m not saying that I despise the Western World.)

I think he has established noble institutions such as the Aga Khan Fund (AKF) and FOCUS Humanitarian Assistance not because he was brought up in the Western World, but because his faith teaches him to respect the sanctity of the human life. Caring for the poor and the needy is one of most fundamental principles of Islam. If western education automatically made a person just, then ALL of the educated people in the Western World would be kind and generous. I hope you would concur with me that this is certainly not the case.

I would also like to comment on the following remark:

“And as for the Education thing lol it does not take much to set up a decent college, the Reason most of the Islamic Worlds professionals go to school in the West is because we allow things to be studied that Islam does not we have no restrictions we welcome all new knowledge, We even encourage our Women to Read !!!!”

I don’t think there’s dichotomy between Islam and acquisition of knowledge. In fact, the Quran encourages the pursuit of knowledge. One of the first verses revealed to Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) were the following:

[96:1-5] “Read! In the name of your Lord who created - Created the human from something which clings. Read! And your Lord is Most Bountiful - He who taught (the use of) the Pen, Taught the human that which he knew not.”

There are plenty of other references in the Quran that promote knowledge. And the pursuit of knowledge is not restricted to men. Does Islam or the Quran discourage women to read and obtain education? If you think so, please direct me to a source (an authoritative one) that articulates such views. If Islam discourages women to get education, then why are so many women studying at AKU (I strongly encourage you to visit www.aku.edu), a prominent university in Pakistan? (Coincidentally, this institution, too, was established by the Aga Khan.)

It is true that some Muslim nations adopt extremist views and prohibit women from getting education. I would like to re-emphasize that such practices are not the ideals of Islam. They are against the teachings of Islam.

Posted by: Ashiq Ali at March 20, 2005 01:59 PM (dRuXE)

35 Bravo Ashiq !!!!!

Very Very Very nice!

Will respond when i get home, weeeeeeee "DIALOGUE" :-)

Posted by: Pop at March 21, 2005 04:06 PM (jL+3v)

36 fuck all american and stupid jews. Let jesus eats dog shit... stupid and bloody fool jesus christ and fuckin' jews. u r all like rats.

Posted by: anti-american at March 25, 2005 10:35 AM (BFLM7)

37 "LOL" Anti-American who pissed in your Cereal this morning, funny how are we all like rats ?? Your the one's who Breed like em and they are on the Menu in some Islamic Countries i believe? And funny isn't it A-A how a Bunch of Rats out do you on a daily basis !! I guess that makes you "Rat Crap". Dont be Angry at America A-A be Angry at all of your Dictators, try getting up off your arse and changing things, you might find out America is the least of your Problems!!
"Hehe" making fun of Jew's and Americans hahahahaha Look at the 7 days War A-A Egypt/Syria/Jordan/Iraq/ and their Allies outnumbered the "JEW'S" like 7-1 in odds hahahah and they were the ones who were swept aside by "Civilian Soldiers" in "7 DAYS" and yeah F Jesus, F him,Moses, Abraham, Allah all of em except Budda he's cool!!
So are you only Anti-American and if so why?

Hey Ashiq, i hope you are in good health, i agree with ya Ashiq that being raised Western does not make you a good person at all, it does however make you a more open minded and it also makes you more Diverse, because the West is more Diverse. In Western Countries we have our Racial problems same as anyplace else ( I.E, Iraq and the 3 main cultures there) but there is really very little Religious or Racial hatred towards Muslims, like there is in the Islamic World towards Westeners.
I suppose that is why so many more Muslims live outside of the Islamic World as opposed to Westerners living in the Islamic World, we are more Tollerant and open to individuals of all Diversities. Example would be,i bet there are more Muslims living in England than all the Westeners living in the Islamic World combined?

Why is this? Quality of Living perhaps or Family,but i bet it is mostly to do with Tolerance, Muslims do not feel threatened in Western Countries. On the Other hand the vast ammount of Westeners who live in the Islamic World are there to Work, no one else really feels safe. Westeners all over the Islamic World have been attacked and killed why? most are not even Soldiers!! ( Example)> The Terrorist attack a couple years ago near Luxor,Egypt on a Tour Bus full of Civilians,we in the West hear of these sort of attacks on an almost daily basis.

Now Ashiq, can you tell me of one incident you have hear about where something similar has happened to Muslims outside of the Islamic World? that is my Argument that is why i am so Angry at Islam/Muslims. We in the West treat Muslims much much better than Muslims treat Westeners. And we ( The Westeners) dont really know why Muslims are so Angry at us ?? Please help me understand your view Ashiq, help me understand why Islam has such a problem with the West, when as a whole we are so good to Muslims.

I mean could you Imagine if we had Radicals like the ones in the Islamic world? I mean there are "THOUSANDS" of Mosques in the Western World, and you never hear of them being Attacked or Burned down or Muslims being shot dead outside of them, but in the Islamic World it happens to Westeners on a daily basis, Churches are bombed or attacked Christians/Jew's are shot dead outside of them ect ect.

Do you see what i am trying to say Ashiq, isn't it the West that has a reason to be Angry at Islam and not the other way around?

I look forward to your responce Ashiq....................Cheers m8 !!!!

( Sheesh, my fingers hurt) :-)


Posted by: Pop at March 28, 2005 12:57 AM (4cDXM)

38 Hello anti-american, if you are a Muslim, all I would like to say to you is that Jesus and Moses are both our beloved Prophets as is acknowledged in the Holy Quran itself. If you are a devoted follower of the faith I hope you refrain from demoralizing our Prophets (may peace be upon them). Like I have said before anger only feeds anger and "an eye for an eye leaves both men blind"

Posted by: Ashiq Ali at March 30, 2005 01:15 AM (dRuXE)

39 Hello Pop it's pleasure like always to hear from you, I will answer you when I have a little more time on my hands; until than Good Day.

Posted by: Ashiq Ali at March 30, 2005 01:18 AM (dRuXE)

40 No Problem Ashiq !!, Take yur time, i have a feeling Anti-American is Anaconda hehe ?

Posted by: Pop at March 30, 2005 02:54 PM (4cDXM)

41 Extremists and ignorant are in all faiths & cultures. some hidden some obvious. But if you think about it, all the 3 great religions, Islam & Christianity and Judaism, believe in One and only God. All ask us to be good to one another. Life is sacred in all of them. I know In Islam, ones who takes a life is like ones whom took all living things and his punishment is the greatest of all punishments in God’s words. The problem is not with any of the religions, it’s with humans and how they interpret there religious believes. Remember that faithful Christian who killed him self among few hundreds more back in 1992 in TX. Or how many Palestinians are shot every day by untrue Jews (mentioned on media all around the world but not on American media). or what has happen in the children school in Russia few months back. Crazy people are everywhere, every religion and in every culture. Can’t we all love one another and respect one another’s believe?? God bless us all with his mercy and gaudiness.


For those of you who are not Muslims, our greeting is “Al-Salam Alykum” which means “Peace”.

Posted by: Islam at April 08, 2005 03:18 PM (jpCW5)

42 Hello Islam, i have a few probs with what you say,first off yes there are extremists in every religion, but "Islam" is the only one that i know of that teaches there young to strap on "Bombs" and to kill "Civilians",dont they believe that if they die in an Islamic cause they go to "Heaven" and get 30 "Virgins"? Also the Jews do kill innocent civilians,but most of the casualties are caused by targeted assinations on "PLO" leadership. Who intentionally move around in large crowds of people. On the other hand the "PLO" and other groups just like them have no problems intentionally targeting civilians, wether it be "Suicide" bombers, or Rockets launched at random into Israel, or someone ambushing and killing a Jewish person walking down the street ( I believe this has even happened to a Mother and her children).
And all of the "Suicide" bombers are young, you never hear of the Old/Middle Aged dying for the cause, to us in the "West" that shows a state of brainwashing your youth!!

As for the "Branch Dividians" in Waco,Texas they were of a radical Cristian faith, but that was a "CULT" more than a Church. David Koresh (spelling?) thought he was Jesus reborn or something, and it was a horrible thing that happened to those people there. I believe the "US.GOV" had more to do with the deaths of those people than they did. David Koresh,was a nut-job but the way the FBI/ATF handeled the case was a travesty.

And what happened in Beslan,Russia was Islamic Fundamentalism at it's worst!! that incident is what brought me to my current frame of mind against Islam!!

And yes "Americans" can get all sorts of news, we have much more choice than the "State" sponsered media in the Islamic World. We hear about Palestinians getting killed by Jews all the time, almost as much as we hear about Jews getting killed by Palestinians.

We hear both sides but all we ever really see is Israel making consessions and the Palestinians never happy, look at the "Oslo Accords" Isreal followed them, the PLO did not. And i do not blame Israel for anything,"Muslims" have been saying "KILL ALL THE JEWS" for decades, and have fought wars(that they should have won)against Israel that they always lose.
So it goes both ways,dont expect to not be killed if you are constantly threatning to kill!!!!

Seriously Muslims, i hope i am giving you something to think about !!!!

Posted by: Pop at April 13, 2005 03:42 PM (4cDXM)

43 You are not being fare at all Pop. With all respect, talking to you MAY BE like discussing which came first the egg or the chicken. In any case Lets talk facts as you wish. Is Hitler a good man?? How many did he kill and how many died because of him?? You sound to me like a Jewish person, and you may know how bad Hitler was, not only for Jews, but for all humanity. I know for a fact that He is not a Muslim and he is not an angel also. He lived in the WEST, and was a CHRISTIAN. Does Oklahoma ring a bell??? Who did it?? How many People died in the 1st World War??? Who caused it? what about the 2nd world ware? and where?? In the Middle East? or was it in the heart of the WEST?? What about the Crusades in the middle centuries. Did the Muslims joined forced and moved to Europe to invade it??, do you have any idea or facts about how many did they kill and why because of there HOLY Pops. If you read about how many died in the history of humanity from Prophet Adam, the first man on earth till now, you will find out that most people died because and in the WEST. Did you know that the creators of the State of Israel were on the Terrorist lists of almost all European Nations because of all the killings they have done in the early 1900s, they were then terrorists, and now they are heroes… WOW?? And if you go back to history, While the East was in its top, the western countries were living like animals. In Europe a known practice for them not to shower or take paths (a queen of England used to shower once every 3 months). that’s why the WEST created perfumes to hide the stinky smell they were producing for not cleaning them self. To move from Europe to the Americas, how many American Indians were slaughtered?? Was it by Muslims?? And who celebrate the person of who did and caused all these killings “Christopher Columbus” . Don’t tell me now that he is a Muslim too. What about Japan being bumped with 2 Nuclear bumps (See how much love Westerners have for human life?? Please don’t tell me because of Pearl-Harper). Do you have any idea who created 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 or Algebra, Should I remind you that the numbers you use (1,2,3, ... ) are Arabic? Algebra, Algorithm, and many other mathematical words are also Arabic. Have you ever heard of Ibn Sina and what he did in the medical science and were his books are being thought till now?? Do you know what the Indians (eastern Indians), Chinese, Japanese, Persians, Arabs and many other civilizations did to humanity in the early times in regard to Math, Medicine, Astronomy, Chemistry and in many other fields of knowledge. And because of these old Civilizations the west used this knowledge well and went to the moon and beyond.

I personally and all sane people would agree with me that it will not be fare to blame God (same God for Muslims, Christians and Jews) for what Hitler did. Or what has Sharon did in Lebanon in 82 and beyond. Or for what has happen in the Americas for the Indians, or both world wars, or for all the killings of all victims people in the world, wither they are in Iraq, World Trade Center, Russia or TX-USA, Chechnya, Sudan, West Bank. But blame humans. Blame your self, Blame your closed mind. Blame Media. Blame governments, blame personal interests, and blame corruption. Blame gangs. Blame terrorists.

We, Muslims are in a deep sleep and need to wake up and smell the roses. We have been sleeping for a very long time. Much has passed us. When we were awake we passed everyone in every direction. Its time to wake up Muslims. Its time to join our European neighbors and make earth a better place for everyone.

God is good. God is Great. Know that the God Muslims pray for is the one and only God and is the same God you pray for if you are a good Jew or a good Christian.

Pop, I hope you don’t mind me calling you Ignorant. It came out of love for you. I wish you well! READ. Go to the library and Read what is Islam. Know that Osama is NOT Islam.

Posted by: Islam at April 14, 2005 11:01 AM (jpCW5)

44 I dont see why you are all bitching about something you dont understand. When u judge something you dont understand its makes u pretty fuckin ignorant. But what to expect from typical americans huh? Why dont you americans look at ur past, and how u killed all the native americans for THEIR LAND and how u in slaved the african americans and lynched them just because they where not white. 9/11 is old now, and had nothing to do with Islam. The ppl who pulled it off, just happened to follow islam, that dosent mean all muslims are like that. They made ass's out of all muslims. You fuckin dicks who keep bitching.

Posted by: Bahamut at April 16, 2005 03:12 AM (6krEN)

45 Not all americans, but the ones bitching(which is many) are weak, complaining about 9/11. I mean look at all the suffering the american government has casued all over the world. Or do u even know?...probably not...u americans should look in real history books, unbiased history books, and learn your lessons...trust me u will change your ways and thoughts...ha! but for the mean time keep selling ur 9/11 t-shirts and and other 9/11 apparel, make lots of feel good movies and capitalize on 9/11 while u can...i mean thats what u guys seem to be so good at....use it all up use everyone. peace

Posted by: martin at April 16, 2005 07:39 PM (iT8PQ)

46 "LOL" here we go again ok where to begin, the discussion we are having is about "Todays current event's. Sure you can use history to show examples of past faults and errors, but this is not a who is worse in history debate.

I give examples of why i am pissed off, i have yet to see many examples countering my points!!

Islam, i am not Jewish, i was born into the Church of England but i am not a religious person. So i do not support any side or faith, i just say it as i see it. I Agree with you the USA is not perfect,and i am in opposition to the current government and it's policies.

Sure people from all over the World have done horrible things not just Westeners, but everyone!!! But my argument is that Islam is not a tolerant religion, i have given you my examples, still waiting to see something that says it is wrong or misguided.

Another example for you Islam/Bahamut/Martin you talked about the USA and slavery, yes they had slavery but it was abolished, I know their are still slave markets and slavery in the Islamic world, And yes "Islam" for centuries Muslims tried to invade Europe,talk to the people in the Balkans and Greece about it!!

Also look at the topic to this post, did the people who killed the pigs, give the owners money for them? are you saying that since Muslims dont eat pork that this act was ok, that is my argument its about "TOLERANCE" and the lack of it that i see in the Islamic World!!!!!

I dont think i am the Ignorant one fellas, i am the one listing facts answering/asking questions and not using Rhetoric or flying off into a Tantrum,because we all know if anyone dares to question Islam,Muslims usually see it as an attack and lose sight of the argument/debate and mostly just go on the offensive.

Posted by: Pop at April 17, 2005 11:47 AM (4cDXM)

47 Ur right Pop, BUT have u read the first few post comments,and how they degraded a life style many ppl including myself follow. I was born and rasied in america, i live in Louisiana. My point was im not going to sit here and let these ppl blast my religion, its almost like, someone coming into ur home and slapping ur mother in the face, and im sure if that happened anyone would get on the defence. I was wrong when i blasted "American" because slavery and the rest was in the past and the ppl of today had nothing to do with that, as follows with the Muslims envading Europe, Muslims today had nothing to do with that. Yet the ones who are killing and killed those pigs, make the rest of us (muslims) look bad, Like the catholic church and the ones who molested those children. Because one person or persons fucked up dosent mean all the rest are the same. Just because 9/11 happened dosent mean all Muslims where happy that day. Those ppl make us look bad. But as we seem ppl are VERY quick to point the finger, more so during war time. But for that i'll continue pointing my finger at Bush. Im not trying to jump on a band wagon, but the simple shit i see that he's done,""correct me if im wrong"" Osama attacks america, We go after Sadam, to liberate the ppl under his law. While just 90 miles south of america is Cuba. Castro is no different, why dont we save them.Is it cause their not suffering enough? or is there something much deeper than that?Fuck while we're at it why dont we back of send more troops to help NATO in East Africa. Those tribes are still killing each other while the ones in the middle still starve. But again those are bad muslims making us look bad. Damn, i went way off the subject.

Posted by: Bahamut at April 18, 2005 12:17 AM (M7kiy)

48 Ok, i see what you are saying (dont know if this will sound better or worse,lol)but i am not attacking Islam at all.I am just not a "Religious" person,this does not mean that i am not a "Spiritual" person,i am just not for Organized religion, but that is for another debate.
In anycase to me it is more of an "Islamic" cultural problem,than a problem with the "Religion" of "Islam". As i have stated in previous posts, i dont understand the how so many young people in the "Islamic Culture" kill themselves on behalf of their religion/beliefs and why the Older generation does nothing to stop it, in fact they incourage it and even teach it.
I believe in Saudi Arabia among others, they have schools called "Madras"(spelling?)that teaches quite a bit of Intolerance as well as the whole you get 30 virgins if you die for Islam type stuff.
To me growing up in the West it is so hard to fathom, why people are so willing to give up their lives? In the West we believe life is precious and that it should not be thrown away so easily(even though it may not seem so some times). To me it seems the afterlife is more important to Muslims than the hear&now.

As for Castro, lol he is a tricky son of a gun!!! I would not be surprised if he kept 1 or 2 of those Russian nukes from the 60's as a trump card against the US, and if he did you know he let em know about it! Also rumor has it that Cuba may/may not,have some nasty WMD's. But we all know how to take inteligance nowadays right!!! ( "Cough"-Iraq)

And yes it sickens me that the UN/Nato/World Community-G8,will go to War/support war over a tiny mideast country like Kuwait because of Money/Oil. While letting "HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS" of people die in a single conflict like the "Rwandan,Genocide". Mostly because of the color of their skin, we should all be sad about things like that all of us, because no one, not Christian power base's or Jewish or Muslim,even non-religious base's,no one did anything to stop it.

Posted by: Pop at April 18, 2005 10:57 AM (4cDXM)

49 The thing about willing to die for something you STRONGLY believe in. Thats why Muslims over there do what they do. When you grow up in a house that hates a country with all its heart,and the normal supper talk is bombing or killing americans. Thats like breeding a killing machine. teaching that to a child as he/she grows only makes it that more powerful to them. They do it because in their heart they believe it is right. I blame them but at the same time I dont, its what they are being brainwashed with. Its basicly all they know, and to a Muslim its not so much as the afterlife. It just obeying what Allah tells us to do. If you love someone with all your heart your going to do things they ask you to do, even if you dont like, ur stil going to do it, to show them love and respect. The older generation is the same as the new. Its what they where told as a child and it is all they know, so they teach it to their children and so forth. It will most likly never become a broken cycle. But us, (the good) ones all we can do is teach our children, to forgive your enemies, and try and work together to better support one another. Untill then theres going to be those who are going to die and those who are already dead, it will be a long journey, but as they say "every journey begins with a single step".

Posted by: bahamut at April 19, 2005 05:50 AM (6krEN)

50 Ok,ummm where to begin, Why do people in Islamic Countries hate the West so much? ( please include examples!!)And i find it very disturbing that families sit around the dinner table and discuss the best way to martyr their children.

And it seems to be the cowardly adults who are feeding hate to their children, they never martyered themselves for Islam, they need their kids to do it,i guess Allah did not tell them to do it?
And i think there is so much hate towards the West in the Islamic World, because of the "State run Media" people in the Islamic World get told what their Dictatorships want to tell them,unless you have a computer or say the BBC, i dont think you would be getting much truth, just Propaganda if you will.
As for Allah telling people stuff that always makes me laugh, Christians and Jews do the same thing!! All Religions were created by man. none of the Gods out there have every really spoke to anyone( though some will say God speaks to individuals) these same people will also kill on behalf of their God, do you really think any God would tell anyone to kill people?? It is just an ancient excuse used by people who have no other reason to kill people other than their Religious beliefs.
Ty Bahamut for proving the Intolerance of Islam for us as well as the fact that we are not responsible for creating these monsters, but it is Islamic culture that continues to breed them, thru Ignorance and Intollerance.

Posted by: Pop at April 24, 2005 06:09 PM (4cDXM)

51 Not all muslims are terrorists? However, 100% of terrorists are muslim. Death to all muslims. May their dead cold bodies be wrapped in pig skin and buried face down, so that according to their filthy religion, their souls go straight to hell. Burn their mosques and kill them all.

You wanna reach out and touch your god ala, you muslim pig? Then stick your finger up your asshole, because that's where your ala exists.

Attila the Hun did it the right way. He killed and impaled so many muslims that an army of muslims who saw this described it as a literal forest as far as you could see of impaled muslim pigs. They were so horrified, and full of fear that they quickly retreated back to their sand dunes, and camel fucking orgies.

I love this quote by Ann Coulter. "Invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them all to Christianity." -Ann Coulter

Posted by: Rob at April 27, 2005 08:11 PM (pO1tP)

52 "COUGH" wow rather dusty in here!!!!!

Guess ya stumped em Rob?? Maybe you were a little to radical and they agree with you lol?

Hehe,not all Muslims are Terrorists but 100% of Terrorists are Muslims, never really thought about that but wow your right!!

And sheesh Ann what are you smoking, all we would have if we converted Islam to Christianity, is a Bunch of Christian Suicide bombers who would feel bad after they blew themselves up!

Posted by: Pop at May 04, 2005 12:11 AM (4cDXM)

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