1 I feel compelled to tell this old joke:
 
Q - Why are there no Muslims on "Star Trek"?
A - It's set in the future.

2 And in the future the French speak English ala Jean Luc Picard. Funny
stuff, but the reality is that Star Trek is the idealist future of
humanity. The one that could only become true if libs become realist.
How very ironic. Somewhere Q must be laughing.

3 Compare Star Trek to Firefly. Which one is more likely? That's right, Firefly.

4 This is one of the reasons I much prefered Babylon 5. That was a future that seemed possible.

5 “Tony Blair admitted that British intervention in Iraq has been a disaster last night - sending shockwaves through Westminster.
Challenged by veteran interviewer Sir David Frost that the Western invasion of Iraq has "so far been pretty much of a disaster", Mr Blair said: "It has."”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=417121&in_page_id=1766&ito=1490

6 Nothing wrong with a bit of idealism. Simply because it presents a utopian world it doesn't mean it is 'stupid'. Although as for DS9 - how can you stand that crap? It might have been gritty if it wasn't so damn tacky and cliched. I've watched the entire series and found myself spending more time cringing than genuinely enjoying myself.

7

Any show that doesn't star William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, James Doohan, and Deforest Kelly is not "Star Trek." So there.

8 I used to like Star Trek,I mean alot,going to conventions collecting all the useless crap uniforms,toys models you name it.Then I started working in DDSD (developmental Disabilities Service Division) and one of my clients is an aspergers and his obsessive habits included Star Trek,remember rain main and judge wapner? well this guy eats slep and breathes star trek on that level only a retarded person can give.So I brought him to my house one day to pick up some stuff and he noticed some of my stuff,mainly the Enterprise I had and a Borg ship then it began,endless questions the endless tormenting questions that started innocently enough but got to the strange like "hey tarzan what do you think that green stuff shooting out of the borg ship is"  "what kind of threads are in a star fleet uniform"  and on and on from the mundain to the endless "do you think they will go to warp,pronounced wawp, this episode"
my life and like of star trek went to hell and won't ever come back star trek is ruined forever for me since I still work with this guy,mind you I really like and respect the guy but *groan* the star trek ,I know what would drive William Shatner to make that SNL skit x100.thank god for Battlestar Galactica .

9 Although as for DS9 - how can you stand that crap?



Thank you. But one of my Sci Fi buddies loves the show.



star trek is ruined forever



Just be thankful he wasn't into porn.

10 Excellent! I hate ST.

11 I wish they would bring Enterprise back.. you know Scott Bakula, et al.  That was an interesting show. 

Firefly, however, is far more likely. 

12

Any show that doesn't star William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, James Doohan, and Deforest Kelly is not "Star Trek." So there.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at November 19, 2006 12:50 AM
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 Well, I'm astounded. We agree. This may be the End of Days for all of us.

13 One way to tell ST was kaka was to note how the ST "alternate universe" episodes showed a future that was a lot more interesting and believable. It was always a let down when they returned to the "normal" ST universe.

14 I used to love Star Trek back in my Liberal days.  But when I grew up and became conservative Star Trek seems really stupid, just like Liberalism.

15 “Tony Blair admitted that British intervention in Iraq has been a disaster

Greg,

I knew it was you even before I saw your nic.  But note, Blair said also:

It's not difficult [i.e., a "disaster"] because of some accident in planning, it's difficult
because there's a deliberate strategy - al Qaeda with Sunni insurgents
on one hand, Iranian-backed elements with Shia militias on the other -
to create a situation in which the will of the majority for peace is
displaced by the will of the minority for war."

16 But I would love to install photon torpedoes in my car. I'm gettin' real tired of roadhogs.

17 No wonder it's the Encyclopedia of Stupid:

Star Wars is in the past (opening scroll:  "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...")

Star Trek is in the future (set in the 23rd Century).

Sheesh, if they're going to rip on something, they should at least get the time-lines straight.

18 So should Bush.
(ooops...:>/?  Is this where I get banned?)
 Sorry that was low...carry on.

19 I can see why it is called the Encyclopedia of Stupid.

I hope 'Stupid' remembers where he left it, and comes to get it back soon.

Mad magazine is mad, with a reasonable amount of stupid, and I find it preferable.

USA all the way!

20 Greg should be in the Encylopedia of Stupid.

As a writer, or a subject, it doesn't matter.

USA all the way!

21 9-11 Hijackers received training at U.S. military bases.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/alleged_hijackers_may_trained_us_bases.html

22 I just watched the episode "The Omega Glory".

It is one of those 'alternate' stories where a world just like Earth goes down a different path.

This is the one where Yangs fight Koms for a few thousand years to regain their land, and Kirk recites the Yangs 'holy words' back to them. The Pledge of Allegience, and the Preamble to the US Constitution.
If you are a patriot first, you should enjoy this episode.

I bet Hijacker Greg was trained in the US as well. Probably at UCLA. I hear you have to get yourself tazered on camera as part of your initiation. Someday we will have phasers, and you will have to get yourself disintegrated on camera to join the innner circle of radicals. Some Libs would do that you know?

Picture 'PuddleDuck' doing Marvin the Martian ... "Being disintegrated makes me very angry! Very angry indeed!!!"

USA all the way!

23 "But I would love to install photon torpedoes in my car. I'm gettin' real tired of roadhogs.
Posted by: eman"

Does put a slightly different spin on the term "road rage".

Yes, the old Star Trek TV series was kinda stupid and the special effects were really hokey.

Missed the first 2 seasons (that Vietnam thing got in the way).

What I saw, as I watched it in rerun, was the moral lessons that were being taught in some of them.

The first movie had great special effects, but the plot sucked.

By Star Trek IV - The Voyage home, the characters were taking themselves less seriously, and is my favorite of the Star Trek movies.

Liked DS9. Watched Voyager a couple of times. That was all I could stand.

I own the entire series STNG on the obsolete media - video tape (will probably sell the 2 episode tapes on eBay, some day.

What I didn't see in the tv series and movies was an attempt to politicize the future.

And these movies and tv series led us to believe that we will be around in the 24th century, though we now know it's probably not the case.

We will have either blown ourselves up with nuclear weapons, polluted our world so much that is unlivable or will have created run away global warming or that supervolcano under Yellowstone will erupt, create a nuclear winter that will destroy most life on earth, including most of us.

So, when you get depressed about our likely future, you can go back and watch all of those "stupid" Star Trek movies and TV series, and think about how the future could have been.

24 Friendly word for PuddleDuck.

Human beings will make it.

If you look at the Star Trek series as a whole, the history they reference from their fictional future time, is full of calamity and disaster. The Eugenics wars, that created Khan. The wars that preceeded Cochran's warp drive invention. Wars that happened afterwards. Natural or man made disasters abound.

Human beings are actually very inventive, and they are basically good. Sometimes a bit trusting, but that is part of the good, not the bad.

God forbid, we end up with a planet ruled by Sharia ... eventually with no one to be pissed at, the global Caliphate would implode when a new idea emerged.

We don't want to fail our responsabilities for today, but if that should happen, humanity will still be inventive, creative, and a natural winner. Somewhere people will survive. They will find a way.

It is not Science Fiction to realize the human capacity for good, or human capacity to overcome challenges.

Sorry about the Marvin the Martian comment.

Go 'boldly' into the future.

USA all the way!

25 WASHINGTON (Reuters) - An influential Democratic lawmaker on Sunday called for reinstatement of the draft as a way to boost U.S. troop levels and draw a broader section of the population into the military or public service.
U.S. Rep. Charles Rangel, the incoming chairman of the House of Representatives' tax-writing committee, said he would introduce legislation to reinstate the draft as soon as the new, Democratic-controlled Congress convenes in January.

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=politicsNews&storyid=2006-11-19T174004Z_01_N19349552_RTRUKOC_0_US-USA-POLITICS-DRAFT.xml&src=rss&rpc=22

Heads, they win. Tails, we lose.

26 You guys sure that Greggy boy here isnt a haunter over at BKP, as he sure sounds familiar to me.

Stop being an ass and trying to change the thread and behave like a good little doggy, wont ya Greggy?

To get back to the topic. Star Trek is still cool. Kirk is the best Captian when you want some humor as Picard was a bit too uptight but still okay.

Though to be honest, yea i prefer Star Wars. Vader could wipe out the Borg with his mind and not even break a sweat.

27  Puddledick on limited intelligence




What I didn't see in the tv series and movies was an attempt to politicize the future.




Wow...a lack of vision in you...what a surprise. Forget the subtext...this moron can't interpret basic plot lines.



led us to believe that we will be around in the 24th century, though we now know it's probably not the case.




What could possibly demonstrate the staggering ignorance and ego of
this small brained terrorist lover than his presumptuous to inform us
plebes that "we now KNOW" (ROFLMAO) that we will not be around in the
24th century. The staggering ignorance of this hyperventilating chicken
little is very amusing. Calling him a troll is giving his intellect far
too much credit. Trolls can at least dig the right direction to
irritate his subjects...not make them laugh.

28

The Collective : “We are the Borg. You will be assimilated.”

tbOne : “My technology is superior. Stop your attack or I will destroy you.”

29 You're confusing the classic Cold War "Star Trek" with it's flaccid successor, "Star Trek, The Politically Correct Generation."

Encyclopedias aren't what they used to be.

30 I hope you are right, Michael.

There was an episode in STNG, where all alternate futures, existed at the same time.

The actions that we take today will help to determine which path to our future we will take.

Not all of the decisions are for humans to make, and so are out of our hands.

But, for the decisions that are in our hands, we had better start making them quickly and stop making decisions, that affect the future our planet, and it's people, based on politics or economic considerations, or by trying to blame someone else for the problems.

If the correct decisions aren't made soon, there won't be an economy, to use as an excuse, for not doing the right thing.

If you haven't noticed, I tend to err on the side of pessimism.

31

Dumb assed Greg. T told you a week ago to get ready for the draft. Hope you are in that age group. I have some friends serving in Iraq that would love to meet you.

 

Won't be any economy. As the dow hits further new records.  A lefturd is a lefturd, is a lefturd, is a lefturd, is  a lefturd.

32 the future our planet,

piddle,

you global warming is the greatest threat to our planet, but the planet will go on fine with or without us.  So the only future that is threatened is Mankind's (not the planet's).  That's why I think the greatest threat to mankind is the fall of Western civilization, not global warming.   In 20-25 years we'll know who's right.

33 you think global warming...

34 What ever the case JC, I prefer to err on the side of caution. And so should you.
 In case anyone is interested we have a few billion years before the curtain falls. It my hope we get together log before then.
 Here's a link.
http://tinyurl.com/5xuup

35 Or if this makes it easier:
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/death_of_earth_000224.html

36 PuddleDuck, we seem to be getting along, which (no offense) I find very science fictional. Almost like Star Trek

What would Spock do?

Hoping that this situation continues, lets suppose that I accept that Global warming is a real man made disaster.

Now lets suppose that Islmofascism is a real man made disaster.

Global warming can theoretically be slowed, stopped, or even reversed, with the co-operation of enlightened and reasonable nations, in a scientifically supported effort. The true cost is unknown, but may be sufficient to collapse the global economy, especially in the western nations that produce most of the worlds science, medicine, and foriegn aid. This may be necessary to save the planet.

Islamofascism is unconcerned with co-operation, but requires submission. Enlightenment is often seen as an enemy, not an acheivement, and no reasonable nation is governed by Islamofascism. Science is a means to power, to be used in the cause of Islamification. Death on a Global scale would be only the deaths of kuffars and martyrs, both of which are to be celebrated. Industrialization serves their power. Global warming is no concern, as long as Islam prevails.

We have to decide if we will hamstring the west to slow down, maybe stop, or even reverse global warming, which may be a natural process that global life can adapt to, as has happened through countless ages.

Or ...

We can gear up to defeat the spread of Islamofascism, which if left unchecked will usher in a new dark age, without respect to the very enviromentl issues which it has been distracting us from. An age that could last another 1400 years, and even encourage more severe enviromental damage.

If we can preserve the west, we can preserve the knowledge base, and the enlightment, needed to adapt to a changing wotrld. If not, then we get caught in the flood tide of Islamic regression.

Now I am actually willing to admit that the planet goes through warm and cold cycles, and that humans can affect the severity of them.

I am certain that Islamofascism is real, and will not be stopped without a long hard expensive fight.

I also know that the western powers do not have a strong enough economy to do either one by itself, and have a guarantee of success. If we have to try to handle both problems, we may fail to prevent either altogether.

Considering all of this I'd rather take my chances with global warming, and stop Islamofascists and rouge states. I think we can save an enlightened, and rational future that can adapt to the warmer clime, and prepare for the next ice age.


I welcome other opinions.

USA all the way! As always!

37 LOST IN SPACE came before STAR TREK