1 You refer to the editors of the Guardian as 'blindingly stupid'. Little as I might agree with their politics, reflect on this; they're making a shitload of cash plying their trade, whereas you're pecking at their ankles on a blog, for free. The guardian is lefty, no doubt about that - but it's not  a 'scandal rag'. You question their use of nomenclature - I invite you to research the definition of 'soldier'... not the  US Army terminology, but the actual definition of the word. You'll find that the Marines, god bless 'em, qualify quite nicely.

2 Joe Public from Amsterdam: Paris Hilton is worth more than the combined salaries of all the Guardian's employees. By your logic, that makes her more intelligent than them, as well.

As typical European, you don't understand the significance of the difference between Marines and soldiers, just like the Guardian staff. but you're right about one thing: I shouldn't have insulted scandal rags by comparing them to the Guardian. At least scandal rags don't hire Islamist extremists. You can google "Dilpazier Aslam" if you're curious.

Other than that, did you have a point...besides ankle-biting for free?

3 Joe Public:
Just because someone is paid doing something, does not legitimize their trade, nor their methods. I am sure you're aware that drug dealers, hookers and burglars all make money, doing their 'job' too.
According to your standard though they must be much more noble than a volunteer worker, because they're making cash.
Logic must escape you a lot.

4 davec: Joey's writing from the Netherlands. The only occupation on your list that's illegal there is the burglary. At least I think burglary is still illegal there...

5 Bluto:
Good point, Burglary is probably legal if you can show your Welfare check does not allow you to live your lifestyle

6 Joe Public,

Kiss my rosy red Marine Ass.
There is a hell of a lot difference between Marines and soldiers.
Ask the Marines on Tarawa.

7 No, I simply detect a trace of the green-eyed monster, here. I don't agree with the guardian's politics, never have - but their journalists are rigourous. Alright, they have their take on things, they apply the spin, same as any other newspaper - but they're also consummate professionals. And they run a decent cross-word.
 

I'm unsure where your Paris Hilton analogy fits into the discussion. Were you an amateur vapid blonde whore, you'd have a point - she'd be better at it that you. You're not, though - you're an amateur journo - and they're still better at it than you. This is a not partisan observation; their politics aside, you've not earned the right to call them stupid.
 

8

Improbulus Maximus is a former marine and black man who tried out for the movie but was rejected.

9 Joe Public:
So by your logic if you criticize something, you're jealous of it?
Why are you jealous of the Jawa Report?

10 As it goes, I like the Jawa Report. I like the fact that it's taking a stand against the increasingly-vocal and unpalalable Islamic right-wing. But this particular post was simply lame.

11 Joe Public:
I don't think this post was lame. You should keep your swishy European ideas to yourself.
 
Europeans are bent on societal suicide, so why should be give a damn about your European opinions? 
 
Why don't you Euroqueers go back to rolling over on your soft bellies while the Islamists drill you from behind.
 
Theo Van Gogh was the only European male who had a pair, but the Muslims killed him leaving only sexual deviants and passive perverts to share Amsterdam with the ever-growing Muslim hoard.
 
Demographically, you Euroqueers are fucked.

12 But Joe, you never addressed the central point of the post: that's it's blindingly stupid to ask why an ethnic group that made up less than one percent of the invasion force would necessarily be represented among "scores" of Marines.

The Guardian's "journalists" are nothing like "rigorous", in fact, by the strictest definition of journalism, they're propagandists, pamphleteers.

I would also submit that it's blindingly stupid to support those who are dedicated to tearing your home country's society apart and replacing it with sharia law, and that it's blindingly stupid to hire reporters without even a cursory background check, only to have them exposed as anti-Semites later. It's also blindingly stupid to fail to recognize satire, even when it's labeled with a disclaimer (I have an icon on my home blog pointing to the story of how the blindingly stupid editors of the Guardian did exactly that to one of my posts, naming my blog "most extreme").

And also, Joe, you dodged davec's point. Since you criticized my post, by your logic, that means you're jealous of me. Why?

Joe, you're not very good at making a case. Is it the pot?

13 Please. you have to be brain dead to not see the anti-American slant in European media, like this article that claims the Administration used Helicopter Gunships to kill starving black people in the wake of Katrina:

"Most Americans barely have the brains to walk on their back legs" - he turned to the desperate scenes being played out in New Orleans: "On the streets you've got some poor, starving soul helping themselves to a packet of food from a ruined, deserted supermarket. And as a result, finding themselves being blown to pieces by a helicopter gunship. With the none-too-bright soldiers urged on by their illiterate political masters, the poor and needy never stood a chance. It's easier and much more fun to shoot someone than make them a cup of tea.
"Especially if they'reblack."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2005/09/13/do1302.xml

If some Euro paper doesn't want to get called out about race baiting, perhaps they shouldn't paint Americans as slackjawed yokels one cup of coffee away from stringing up the black folk, while reading their Bible and speaking in tongues.

14 Maybe the pot is why Dutch "men" are so effete. Pot is well-known to shrinks testicles.

15

You're quite correct. I didn't address the central point of the post. Truth is, I've not watched the film, probably won't ever watch the film, and don't really care much about the film. I take my history from more reliable sources.

I don't even particularly care if any of the on-screen actors are black. So far as I can see, a soldier (or Marine, if you prefer) is what he is regardless of skin-tone. The people who were there know who they are, and they should be proud of it - doesn't really matter much who portrays them on the silver screen.

The only reason I bothered to comment at all was your labelling of the Guardian's journos as 'blindingly stupid'. Once again - I do not agree with their political agenda - but they're good journalists. You'll struggle to find any newspaper that doesn't add some element of spin, propaganda - the Guardian folk might (at times) be pathetically-eager to appease those who would destroy our way of life, but they ain't stupid.

16 Europeans with their heads in the sand...
 
1400 Amsterdam Muslims are Extremists
 
Son of Theo Van Gogh beaten by Muslims
 
Muslims overtaking native Dutch in Amsterdam

17 davec - the bit you quoted was, in fact, a quote - admittedly a quote from an Englishman (Jeremy Clarkson), but he's widely acknowledged as a nauseating prick.

Much as you'd like to play the martyr, most Brits (can't speak for the rest of the Euros) do not dislike America, or Americans. I'm not sure if you'd noticed, but we've actually been supporting you all the way.

18 As it goes, davec, if you read the rest of the piece, it comes down quite heavily on the side of the republicans... I think your quoting of a quote was perhaps a little disingenuous.

19 Joe: I've backed up my case with examples of the blinding stupidity of the Guardian staff, including the central point - that it's blindingly stupid to complain that the .08% of Marines represented by one ethnic group wasn't portrayed.  

In response, you've supplied nothing but your opinion. Are you familiar with the old American simile about opinions?

20 Oh, shit, did I express an opinion? Sorry about that. I was labouring under the mistaken belief that I was allowed to do that.
 
 

You've thus far failed to convince me that they're stupid. Had you picked 'misinformed', or 'naive' as your insult du jour, I'd have happily agreed.

21 But you are allowed to express an opinion, Joe. Do you recall your earlier comment in which you stated that I didn't have the "right" to mine?

Again, I invite you to address the central point of my post. It's not necessary to have seen the movie to understand it.

22 Davec: Being blown apart by a helicopter gunship? ha, ha. They were trying to blow apart the ambulance helicopters.  Televisions, watches, tennis shoes and cadillacs are not edible.  Some feel exaggeration is not a crime.
 
What 900 blacks. The Marine corps was not integrated until the Korean war. We haven't won a war since.

23 Technically, Greyrooster is correct that the Corps was not integrated until the Korean War, however, black Marines, known as the "Montford Point Marines," (because they trained at Montford Point, NC, rather than at Parris Island) were recruited starting in 1942.

Greyrooster is ignoring, however, Grenada, Panama, and the first Gulf War in trying to make a racist point.

24 Joe:
Well perhaps you would have a valid point, except:
I am a British person, living in the United States, who has both lived and travelled inside Europe and already know the opinion of Americans from the average joe in Europe.

That aside, the Quote came from a reporter who published it in "The Sun" Newspaper, no? and makes a direct reference to that quote being in the "The Sun" newspaper:

'Flood That Released America's Demons", said the Sun on Saturday. Underneath the arresting headline was a column by Jeremy Clarkson followed by the above quote.

So don't give me it was just a quote- -- it was quoted from an article published in a national newspaper.

25 Improbulus Maximus is a former marine and black man who tried out for the movie but was rejected.



WTF? Who thought of this stupid shit? I was in the Army, you stupid
lefturd dumbass. Jesus H., lefturds are stupid. I hope Osama gets that
nuke into DC double quick so that we can be free from the Feds in order
to do what we need to do.



And Joe Pubic, if you'll stop being an idiot for a just a tic, you'll
see that black really isn't white, but I guess you're incapable of
that, and so I hope you like the smell of unwashed muslim man-musk,
because you're going to have to get used to it whether you do or not
when they're banging you like the little bitch you seem to be. But
then, I guess lefturds like that sort of thing, eh?

26 Ah, along come Improbulus for his daily contribution of witless indignation. Why do you even bother? I can sum up what passes for your point (every time) right here:

1) all True Patriots wear white sheets and carry burning crosses.

2) If you don't, you're a lefty islamophile, a traitor, and probably gay.

Fortunately, a verbal attack from you is like being flogged with a damp noodle. You just don't gots the intellectual firepower.

27

Joe – You obviously have never been to war. The difference between a Marine and a soldier is the difference between a Major leaguer and a “Bush” leaguer But “Dictionary.com” defines a soldier as ,” a person who serves in an army; a person engaged in military service.” Marines do not serve in the Army. Never have and never will.

As a former Fifth Marine let me give you a little history of how the Army thinks about soldiers and Marines. Black Jack Pershing faced a turning point in the “Great War” in early June 1917. The Huns were about to break through at Belleau Wood. They had 5 divisions charging into France (237,197,87,28,10).. Black Jack needed at least 4 Army divisions (12 regiments) to halt the advance. He did not have them. He did have 2 Marine regiments the Fifth (best warriors to walk the earth in the 20 ^th century) and the Sixth. When we engaged the Krauts we were out numbered 9:1. Three days later we were still out numbered but only 4:1. The Huns knew it was over and retreated. “They ran so fast even the hounds couldn’t catch em.” The Krauts did give us a terrible nickname that was the basis of the tattoos many of my buddies got – Dogs from Hell – “Teufel Hounden”.

 

Even a 4 star Army General  “Black Jack” Pershing knew that one Marine was as good as or better than 12 soldiers. It was true 100 years ago and it is true today!

 

An oldexJarhead

Fifth Marines Nam 1967+1968

 

PS I support another Fifth Marine Nam vet  Jimmy Webb

28 Joe is only having a problem with an adjective.  And has
dilligently dug a hole deeper with each reotrt.  That adjective
being not only "stupid", but "blindingly stupid".  I think it fits.



From the American Heritage Dictionary:

Stupid


Slow to learn or understand; obtuse. Tending to make poor decisions or careless mistakes. Marked by a lack of intelligence or care; foolish or careless: a stupid mistake. Dazed, stunned, or stupefied. Pointless; worthless: a stupid job

1, 2 and 5 about sums it up. (3 is questionable as well)  One must
also consider what their definition of a good journalist is.  One
that just uses two-dollar words to describe a stupid idea giving it a
patina of legitimacy?  (There's that stupid
word again) Or one that does their research and gets the facts straight
adhering to the oft repeated mantra that they're "unbiased and
thruthful"?



It was a stupid article by an obtuse journalist who made the poor decision to research his subject carelessly.  In other words, it was pointless; worthless.

29 er ...retort.

30 My bulleted points didn't work either.  I hate this automatic HTML thingy.

31 davec, I'm not sure I understand your point. The Telegraph piece, in responding to the quote, was nothing short of scathing. As for the initial quote - well, The Sun has about the same intellectual clout as The Beano - it's a prole comic. And Jeremy Clarkson, whilst he does have a column, isn't exactly a 'reporter' - he's a used-car salesman with a sideline in occasionally-amusing, mostly-rubbish polemics.
 As I mentioned above, I can't speak for the majority of Europe, but I've not noticed any significant rise in yank-bashing from the Brits. That which there is tends to come from the loonie left, but they'll have a pop at anything that isn't in a burkha.

32 I showed a native American, what else do they want.

33 It showed...

34  
Get a brain Bluto. Yea. We whipped Grenada alright. A real war. The girl scouts could whip Panama and if we whipped Iraq how come we are still losing troops there everyday? The truth is we knocked the shit out of them from the air and then quit before the job was done. Who was flying those fighter aircraft? The boys from the ghetto? I know who was doing the flying and I know who invented, designed and manufactured the weapons and technology. You are the product of academic bullshit that has predominated our culture for 50 yrs. See the mess its gotten us into? Take a look at our cities.  Ostrich symdrome.

Black marines charging the beaches at Iwo Jimo. Tell the truth. What job did they really have.  In ten years the four flags raisers on Iwo Jima will be pictured as black. Well, they might leave the Indian.

35 rooster,

blacks were put to cleaning latrines back in the day.  When they fought, blacks and asian and hispanics fought as bravely as anybody.  Some of the most decorated soldiers in WW2 were blacks and asians.  That isn't PC bullcrap (which you know I too despise), it's fact.

36

Number 1: Why are you bringing Hispanics and Asians into the history of black troops? Sounds leftist to me. 26,000 Marines died on Iwo Jima. It's a crime to give credit to those that didn't fight on the front. The truth is the 900 blacks where support troops. Amunition carriers. They were not brought into areas until secured. The Marines on Iwo Jimo were 98% white. Most asians, particularly Japanese fought in Europe and did a good job. Remember you are talking to someone who lost is father over there. I refuse to let cowards change history in order to make another race feel better.

PS. Did you see the people rioting in the bowling alley on the news this morning? Attacking people with bowling balls and que sticks. Ruining someones business. Why color where they? What color were the football players in last weeks brawl? Kicking and stomping on the heads of other players. Who robbed and killed the tourists in New Orlaens last night? Goes on and on and those like Bluto contribute to the problem. Maybe it will go away all by itself. Bullshit!

37 rooster,

I agree.  If blacks, etc., were not part of Iwo Jima, then they shouldn't be painted in retroactively just to meet the race quota.  Facts and truth should always prevail over PC bullshit.

38 Also Carlos your statement that blacks fought as bravely as any others is bullshit! Black units were sent to Italy. They had the same weapons, training and leadership of other soldiers. They ran at the first sound of gunfire. The Germans laughed so hard you could heard them ten miles away.

39 rooster,

bullshit.

40 Bluto - alright, I'll hold up my hands on this one. Two of my friends down at my local are ex-forces - a para and a marine. Both got sniffy when I suggested that marines could be referred to as 'soldiers'.
 

Back to your original point - I'm not sure that this lack of knowledge in one particular areas makes me 'blindingly stupid'; I didn't know something, I looked into it, and now I know. As a matter of respect, I will never again refer to a Marine as a soldier. In the same vein, I'm not sure it makes the Guardian bloke 'blindingly stupid', either, as he may well simply suffer from the same dearth of information. However, I'll see your 'uninformed', and raise you an 'incompetent'; as a professional journalist, it's his job to take the time and research these things before putting pen to paper.

41 Check your history. When I was young I talked to many soldiers who were there.
What part is bullshit.? Show me.

42 "you inspid socialist limey jackasses"
 
For this line alone you deserve a standing ovation, Bluto!

43 rooster,

black fighting units were segregated and few in number, so I doubt any of your army buddies ever saw a black soldier on the field unless it was in the mess or cleaning the latrine.  So their claims sound like bull.

44 "Blindingly" was used as an adverb above.

45 Joe Public: the aspect of the Guardian article I found most inept was not referring to Marines as soldiers (and I mean no insult to Soldiers, it's just that Iwo Jima was a quintessentially Marine battle). That was just the cherry on the top. The real stupidity of the reporter and editor is in not bothering to find out the truly vast number of Marines in the invasion force, 110,000, and how tiny the number "almost 900" blacks is in comparison.

46 Carlos: When I have time I will look up the black units in Italy that ran off. I believe it was called the buffalo brigade. It is such common knowledge amonst war bluffs I assumed you would know about it. Just thinking if it were'nt true I would already have been attacked by the excuse makers and black huggers. Ha, ha. That should be proof it itself. Heh, heh.

47 "... but the he-bitch hasn't been slapped in a while."
 
CLASSIC !

48 Hey Rooster,
 
There were 6 flag raisers. Ira Hayes was Pima Indian
 
Mike Strank was a Czech immigrant. Neither man had to join the services because constitutionally they were not citizens of the US. Neither could vote either.
 
Franklin Sousley, John Bradley, Harlon Block and Rene Gagnon were the other four.
 
Most blacks were excluded from combat. They held support billets like supply, mess, armorer. In the early days of Iwo, there was not much room on the beach for anone who was not in the fight.
 
My point here is regardless of what color of skin, everyone fought to win in WW2. Foreign jackasses who assume the privilege to comment on American history should be very careful not to make sloppy errors and uninformed opinionated mistakes. Joe Public I recommend you do go see the movie. But I suggest you read the book first. James Bradley is the author of Flags of our Fathers. His father is John Bradley, one of the flag raisers. This book is a historical reference of the battle. John Bradley was a Navy Corpsman.
 
One more fact Joe, 3 of the men involved in the flag raising never left the island alive. That is 50% mortality rate. Two of every three who landed was injured to a degree he could not fight. One in three died. There were 22,000 Japanese all dedicated to Japan to their deaths. They were fanatical in their commitment to victory or death. That is exactly the type of enemy we face in radical islam. 27,000 men lost their lives or were injured in the fight for Iwo. Never before or since has this lopsided result happened. Before you can defeat your enemy, you must know him. It is obvious Euros don't know who the enemy is. Nor do they appreciate the enemies dedication and willingness to die for allah.
 
 

49 What is with the Eurofemme spelling of Grey, Greyrooster?
 
For a self-hating homosexual like yourself, is your racism a defense mechanism for displacing your self-hatred onto others?

50 DPB,
 
  Is Joe P possibly a writer for the Gaurdian? In one of the comments he referred to "we here" which made me think immediately Joe C was associated with the gaurdian.

51 Good pick up, SeeMonk.
 
What is the IP Joe Public is posting from?

52 It would be a hoot if it turned out a Guardian employee was posting on a blog from work.
 
A la Reuters...

53 A RIPE search puts Joe in Oxfordshire.

54 Dill Doe is correctly named. And Dill Doe, I don't associate with your kind. Namely those to fucking stupid to know anything about what they are talking about. Yea. I'm having great fun over here in Europe. Back to the ghetto where you belong.
 
SeeMonk: I don't need a lecture on the flag raisers. I have a feeling I have known who they were far longer than you. I have also lived long enough to see attempts to rewrite history. What has Mr. Starnk or Ira Hayes have to do with blacks on the beach? Always the same discuss the black situation and people bring up Indians, Mexicans, Chinese, Japanese, etc; They have nothing to with blacks. Always thought is was a liberal thing.
 
JC: Yea the 92nd was so few in number thats why the Germans never seen them after the battle started. You really need to do some research. Look it up under (withdraw and regroup) that's the title black authors call it 60 yrs later. We called it something different then.

55 Oh! By the way the 92nd was a division. Far from being a few.

56 "Namely those to fucking stupid to know anything" -- Geyrooster
 

57 Joe Public: I don't believe you are a member of Guardian or anti-American. The posters and commenters are a bit touchy as you have found out. Just their way of saying we disagree.  Don't take it personal and keep commenting. I enjoy hearing from the Brits and others in Europe.

58 Joe Public: Insipid socialist limey jackasses is not what I call the only nation that has stood with us in Iraq. I call you guys damn good friends. I hope the Brits remain so.

59 I take my history from more reliable sources.

Like the Grauniad?

60 as a professional journalist, it's his job to take the time and research these things before putting pen to paper.

Which is why it's "blindingly stupid" that the idiot got it wrong.

61 Greyrooster:
While the political support for the War comes from the Prime Minister, etc there still is competition between our armed forces.
Most of my family are serving in the British armed forces, and said they do not like serving along side the American forces what so ever. My Uncle was saying their (being the British) tactics worked so well in Basra because unlike the Americans the British don't drag women and children out of beds and don't mistreat people during home searches.
The British tactics work, because well Basra is not the Sunni triangle.
They also talk about the dangers being more from American friendly fire, than from the enemy (I guess due to the friendly fire incident in the Gulf war)

I guess there will always be friendly rivalry between both nations armed forces, both believe their tactics and training is the best!

62 Greyrooster, you stupid old fart, "insipid socialist limey jackasses" refers to the dhimmis at the Guardian, not all the Brits. And, if you weren't an inbred idiot, you would have realized that the post is about the Guardian trying to stir up racial resentment over nothing. Pinhead.

63 I would like to see how Joe Public would portray in film, the reality of allied liberation of North Africa. Some of us who read remember the French fired upon allied forces! I don't mean just a few of them either.

Usually, because most films about the war are trying to focus on a big picture of events, little details like that get neglected.

When Islamists have forced the second great capitulation of Europe, I suppose we will have to come over and try to save whatever is left of your culture from slow suffocating death. I suppose some of you Europeans will shoot at us again. I don't mean just a few of you either.

Why not balance things out while you still have a diverse culture? You can thank the Black Americans who helped liberate Europe with General Patton. You guys could make a much deserved tribute film to those fine Black patriots, many of whom died so you could give your land away to radical Islam 60 years later.

Hey, its OK. I do agree that some people get under represented on important issues. For one example, I would really like to see more Europeans "on screen" in the fight against the global Jihad. I couldn't care less what color you are either.
USA all the way.

64 Sorry if I got rude ... but I get so freakin tired of having the Neville Chamberlain fan club tell us how screwed up we are.

65 To Joe Public.
I'll concede they may not be stupid at the Guardian, but they have picked their side. I believe that actually makes them worse than stupid.

Again, I am sorry if I was rude, but a lot of the time it feels like the Europeans, including the beloved UK, should just be shooting at us. It would be easier to understand, and respond to.

I really think its going to come down to the US and (hopefully) the UK, having to go in and liberate the Europeans again.

All I wanted to do was read lots of books, watch reruns of Star Trek, and play video games.

Now I have family living only a short way from a place where a Jihadist terror training camp was located. In the US! That to me kind of takes the fun out of the weekend I wanted to have.

The Guardian picks petty and incidental sins stumblingly committed by this or that "American", and uses them to deligitimize who and what we really are about. All the time crying for the slightest insult made to people who would stone your daughter to death, for holding her boyfriends hand in public.

You know what I think finally makes the case for the Guardian being "blindingly stupid". They somehow think, they have picked the 'right' side. There is the stupidity. I'm done ...

USA all the way!

66 Davec: I won't argue that point. All I can say is that my son Scott is a Marine Corps Captain and Company Commander in Iraq as I type this. His company doesn't act that way. All he wants to do is kill anyone who tries to kill him or the 220 men under him. He doesn't look beyond that. He must do as he is told and there is always above him that has a political type above him. After 8 years in the Marine Corps with a promising future he is now considering resigning his commission. 

67 Bluto: When I refer to blacks as insiped socialist blackie jackasses it only refers to those that follow Al Sharpton. The rest shouldn't take offense. You low bred friggin Idiot.

68 Joe Public
I see you can get mad too. Thats good. I said the Allies got fired upon. I neglected to mention Monty, and Churchill. I was talking about black people, and they werent black ... Sorry I hurt your feelings. But no ... I am not ill informed. Or a 'redneck', though I reserve the right to be condescending. It flows both ways.

I hope you noticed that that I mentioned in my post just prior, the "beloved UK". I meant that. I never, never discount the losses suffered by the Brits. I also tend to think of them as somehow better, braver, generally superior, and distinct from "Europe"

It freaks me out that you would lower your flag for anyone. I do not mean that as a slam. But what about the flap with the English Flag? the cross of St George?

You think I am trying to slight the UK, but I am desperate to see you rise! You know, get mad at me. Get mad at nything! Just get mad enough to survive. My family history runs many courses out of the British Isles. I am as proud of England, as I am of the USA's willingness to resist her. If that seems a contradiction, hey, its just how it is.

Like I also said, sorry if I sound rude.

That having been said, FUCK YOU TOO, my beloved UK kinsman, and no hard feelings

69 Let me save you the effort of attemping to trace my IP. I live in Somerset, which is towards the south-west of England. I've no idea where my pipeline is based, but I doubt it's in Oxfordshire - most likely, london, somewhere. I'm an IT nerd, not a journalist - and I don't even read the Guardian (unless I happen to find a copy lying about), let alone write for it. You might have taken the hint when I said, quite plainly, that I do not support their political agenda in any respect. Sorry to disappoint you.
 


Rob Crawford - you're late to the party, but I imagine that's probably your whole life story. You take a quote from a comment in which I 'fessed up to being wrong, in order to show that I was wrong... What, exactly, were you attempting to prove?
 


Rooster - thanks for that. Nice to know that at least some Americans are not yet so far gone in the 'everyone hates us' mentality to realise that we really don't. I've not yet had to fight for my country, or yours - but if the chips were really down, to the point that they needed more than more bodies than the professional armies could provide, I'd step up for either one.

70 Greyrooster:
Even if he did, there is no room for mistakes in the Sunni triangle, different places, means different tactics, and the violence in Al-Anbar province is much more intensified, and frequent than it is in Basra -- however that might change whenever Iran gives the go ahead to intensify attacks against the coalition in an attempt to swing the election.

71 Michael Weaver - just fuck right off, you condescending, patronising, ill-informed length of distended rectum. Your brand of retarded arrogance is the main reason why there is a backlash against America at all. You think your boys just popped over and won the day? Nope. They fought very bravely, they took horrendous casualties, won battles, and ultimately, ensured that the war ended the right way - but the Brits had been doing that for years before you decided to chuck your hat into the ring. Do not fucking dismiss us, you redneck piece of shit.

72 to Greyrooster
I am not rewriting history, but sheding some light on a part of it ...

"Black soldiers were generally restricted from combat, but the realities of war would soon blur the lines of race. One major breakthrough came during the Battle of the Bulge, in late 1944, says Ambrose.

General Dwight D. Eisenhower, faced with Hitler's advancing army on the Western Front, temporarily desegregated the army, calling for urgent assistance on the front lines. More than 2,000 black soldiers volunteered to fight. "

Patton also had black tank crews segregated, but under his chain of command. They fought, and deserve praise!

USA all the way!

73 Joe Public: There you go. Now you're talking like a real Jawa blogger.

74 Fine black Americans who liberated Europe with General Patton. Here we go rewriting history again.

75 Eh. I take that a bit personally. I spend a lot of time with an old solider named Pat - all curled up and useless now, which is why I have to help him with meals and cleaning. But I've seen the photos of him back in the day, I've listened to what he has to say on the matter.... And if anyone even starts to disrespect him, or those he fought with, I'll kick their sorry asses until they're wearing their sphincter as lipstick.

76 What are you talking about and to who.

77 Still rambling on about Michael Weaver denigrating the efforts of the WWII Brit veterans....

78 to Joe Public
I am still smiling about recieving an "F" bomb from you. That sort of thing keeps my hope for the future alive. I am not at all mad at you, and look forward to my great grandchildren being f-bombed by yours. I want the England of my Grandfathers, to be the England of my Grandchildren, with all my heart! They can be rude to each other, or not. Yours can come visit Yellowstone Park, and mine can go visit the birthplace of English Common Law. At the end of a century. This century.

On the wall behind me as I type this, I have a miniposter I snatched of the internet and printed maybe a year ago. The Union Jack fills the rectangle, and to the bottom left, holding aloft the English Flag, is Piglet, riding atop Ee-or. From the center, running to the right are the words "Let the Flag (and the pig) Fly Free!". I first heard about the Cross of St George being offensive to Muslims back when I saved this poster, and I was shocked to read that in some places your leaders had taken the Flag down.

I have kept the mini-poster where I will see it everyday, because it just kills me to think that the world our (yours and mine) fathers fought to save, would go down without a fight. If your leaders lower your flag for Islam, then who in Europe is left? Who will be mad at our "oversexed, overpaid" Americans if somehow you are defeated? God I would miss you.

If you can get that kind of angry over my percieved injustice, then I trust you are already angry about injustice to your Flag.

I'll go be condescending somewhere else now, but just so you don't feel left out ...

USA all the way! Not without the UK! Cheers!

79

Although, reading upwards, it seems like he's clarified that a little. And I'm glad that we're not always lumped with the lazy-ass Eurotrash.

By the by, are the timestamps getting a bit fucked here? New comments seem to be appearing half way up the page....

80 "Flags Of Our Fathers" was a movie about the men who raised the flag over Iwo Jima and their experiences. None of them were Black. Why the hell should Clint Eastwood include depictions of the eight tenths of one percent of Black men who participated in the battle--mainly as ammo and supply--runners in his movie?
 
Did "The Guardian" complain because there weren't enough White jazz musicians in Eastwood's "Bird?"
 
Eurotrash firmly believe in the upside down myth of Blacks being oppressed in America, and no amount of reality will convince them otherwise. Hating America trumps all reason.
 
The notion that hyper-tolerant Whitey is keeping the Black man down is unequivocally stupid.

81 Michael Weaver... No-one in the UK is happy with the way things are going - and public opinion seems to have shifted towards 'no more appeasement'; the BBC, that arch-conservative (small c) network, is tonight screening a documentary questioning whether or not Islam is the enemy of free speech. That's going to have to be a big, resounding 'yes'... I just hope this all gets acted upon.
 
No hard feelings.

82 Well said Jeff: The problem is we have idiots here in the states that have been conditioned and educated to believe the same baloney. When I ask them to name one instance they never can. My buddies and I spent this mornings coffee get together talking about how we can keep the black man down. Yea Right!

83 Hey Rooster, you said there were four of them. I pointed out there were six. Not trying to equate the indian or the Czech to blacks. I also only pointed out the blacks were held out of combat in large numbers and placed in support roles. I did not mean to step on your delicate racial sensablilities again. There were six, and I merely corrected you in saying there were six after you mistakenly mentioned there were four. Only four are clearly visible. I still love you man.

84 The actual raising or the multitude of staged pictures what we have seen the last 60 yrs. You do no that the picture was staged don't you. Hate to bust anyone's bubble but even my glorious Marine Corps had photographers and newsmen with them. Only difference with today is that they were on our side.

85 A better picture would have been of every Marine who survived in a group photo. Who says the Marines in the picture did any more than the next Marine? They just got the glory.

86 After reading this thread I'm still a little confused as to the difference between a soldier and a marine.....
 
From what I've read Bubba must have been  a soldier because he was black and got his ask kicked and Forest Gump would be the Marine because he was white and a hero ???
 
Wow
 
 

87 The Rosenthal pic of the second raising was not staged. The group photo where they are all standing around was staged. I have that one framed and on my wall here at work. As far as the glory goes, three of the flag raisers were killed before the battle ever ended. No glory for them. Of the remaining 3 only Reney Gagnon ever expected glory or reward. Ira Hayes pretty much drank himself to death of guilt about surviving when others died, and John Bradley never talked about it after the bind tour ended and the war was over. All men said they did nothing noteworthy. They all knew the picture was of the second and reletively unimportant raising. It was the fact that image was released first that made it such a sensation. It is a dramatic picture.And yes US military photogs are very capable of a posed shot. But the Rosenthal image was not posed if you are referring the one that is so famous.

88 I have it on good authority that a cross dressing lesbian Hispanic
Eskimo was on the beach that fateful day and won the Navy Cross after
beating back, single handedly, a viscous Japanese bayonet charge with
nothing more then a 12 inch dildo and 55 gallon drum of KY jelly and we
have no representation for him/her in the movie. Damn right wing
Hollywood.

89 Picture of the second raising. That in itself, says in all. Why do you insist on assuming others don't know the history of the event and what happened to the men involved? Ira Hayes drank himself to death because of guilt feelings? Who says? Ira didn't. Makes for a good story and that's what it is.  Did the other Marines drink themselves to death because of a feeling of guilt. Perhaps he was just another drunk Indian. You haven't spent much time in Arizona or New Mexico, have you. He's not alone and the rest were not at Iwo Jima. Six guys all holding a flag at once. Let us grow up. As they are said. They did nothing more than any other Marine. The picture was posed. Makes no difference to me. I'm just not that gullible. I posed for a few myself but I'm honest and thought to myself better him than me.

90 Lesbian Hispanic Eskimo. Sounds like we need a book about her glorious achievement. Then a movie. Then a street named Lesbian Hispanic Eskimo in San Francisco. Then a post humus award ceremony. Then dig up her grave and rebury her in the national cemetary and the dildo society of America can do a fund raising for a monument. All who don't show up must be racists, bigots, and Nazis.

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