1 it appears that quite a few of you are under the bizarre impression
that the best way to win elections is to alienate as many voters as
possible in some sort of valiant

Ragnar,

if you have any real evidence that Ann Coulter has alienated anybody but Leftards I'd be more than happy to see it (I doubt you can produce it).  And by "alienated" I mean people who would otherwise vote Republican who no longer will because of Ann Coulter.  "Alienating" Michelle Malkin or Markos Zuniga doesn't count.

2 It seems you have learned well from our chickenshit congresscritters and have yourself become a chickenshit.  Cluck with fear, lest the Left call you bad names.  Well, I'm fed up with being labelled whatever the Left decides to call me today.

In context, how is anything Ann said different than calling Edwards "Breck Girl"? 

3 JC -

Your standard is silly and unreasonable.  Rarely does a voter go from being a big party supporter to jumping ship over one incident.  So, no, I can't name a particular individual who jumped ship on this and this alone.  But the point your trying to make is irrelevant and stupid.

That said, I can identify at least one traditional GOP supporter who would've a whole lot less enthusiastic about the conservative movement if it sat silent on this one.

4 Fersboo sez: It seems you have learned well from our chickenshit congresscritters and have yourself become a chickenshit.  Cluck with fear, lest the Left call you bad names.  Well, I'm fed up with being labelled whatever the Left decides to call me today.

Make ya a deal, assmunch : lay off lecturing me on my personal motivations, and I'll do you the same courtesy.

Considering I'm generally the resident heretic on this blog and piss off the people closest to me on a regular basis, your ignorant "chickenshit" tag doesn't carry much more water than your empty skull does.  I barely care what my fellow conservatives talking heads think--and sure as hell couldn't  care less what the lefties think.  There are a few people whose opinion I value--but you're not on the list.

Ann Coulter is a self-serving bitch that does whatever she needs to to grab a headline--the movement be damned.  Just like last year, she went to CPAC intending to shock, and she succeeded.  It's too bad so many syncophantic fanboys and Ann Coulter wannabes are too mezmerized to realize that what's good for Ann Coulter ain't necessarily what's good for the rest of the movement.

5 That said, I can identify at least one traditional GOP supporter who
would've a whole lot less enthusiastic about the conservative movement
if it sat silent on this one.

Don't misunderstand me.  I'm fine with conservatives dissavowing those comments for the sake of people like your friend.  But for anybody but a Leftard to actually believe she's a bitch for a comment like that (when her point was about political correctness, not being gay)?  Seems to me she just proved her case.

6 Actually, She always ends with some kind of wild comment. Seems to me that fag is most often used my hetrosexuals to insult ofhter hetro sexuals.  Most of the gay people I know call each other fags all the time and don't really take too much offense.  It's like being black and expecting no one to ever say the n word. Or being me and expecting no one to call you white trash or a white n word. Seems to me the stink just encourages it.  If you are gay expect someone to use it. If you are not gay I expect someone will call you that. 

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/faggot

7 Jesusland Carlos : But for anybody but a Leftard to actually believe she's a bitch for a comment like that (when her point was about political correctness, not being gay)?  Seems to me she just proved her case.

I don't think Ann Coulter's a bitch just because she said "f*ggot" on one occasion.

She's a bitch because she uses words like "raghead" and "f*g" and "f*ggot" and sees nothing wrong with doing so.  She spews out a steady stream of offensive and silly comments that aren't at all helpful to those of us who truly care about advancing conservative ideas and selling them to the broader voting populace.  I don't use language like that, and I'd never hire a spokesperson who used words like that in her press conferences.  Would you?

Why does she do this?  Does she suffer from Tourette's?  I don't think so.  I'm pretty sure she does it primarily to sell books.  I'm pretty sure she goes out of her way to grab headlines just to make a buck, even if that tends to damage the broader conservative movement.

And while that may be OK with you, it ain't OK with me.

8 Well we can't all be prissy women some of us have to be a bitch and want to be a bitch and find life is quite full that way, GO ANN , Edwards is very faggy or is that metrosexual?  Ann's audience is mostly made up of "bitches" who speak what they are thinking without worrying what anyone else thinks and young college students such as my 18 year old son and I don't think she is going to lose anyone's respect for her comments.  The stuffed shirts are just going to have to crow about her comment for another year until she something else "horrible" oh my!

9

Dick Morris said about the power of the President, that he has the power to change the topic. Dick was refering to Bush's basic need to control the flow of communication, by leading what people were talking about. By repeating the same lines, he surrendered the opportunity to lead the conversation to areas where the Dems were weak, and the Republicans were strong.

We are letting the left control the agenda.

Ragnar, and his list of friends, as well intentioned as they are, feed the left more red meat by validating thier outrage. This is a recipe for defeat, and disaster. The longer we remain on the defensive, the longer we take damage from this, and the more damage we have to inflict on the left before we break even again.

The knee-jerk response I have is to ask 'what side is Ragnar on?' when he keeps the enemies best weapon in play for so many days?

We should be attacking the left on their flood of hypocrisies, not weeping over the use of a word to make a valid point!

Ragnar, go back to posting dirty pictures.

Does anyone else have something we can change the subject to? We need to go after the left, and stop validating them. Make that your mission, and just boycott the next sixty or so threads that come up about this topic. Dick Morris isn't an idiot. he is right about changing the topic of conversation, and we are online to do that!

If Ragnar wants to keep warming up plates full of apology for our ideological enemies then let him. Stop feeding HIM any red meat. What if Ragnar posted a thread, and nobody came?

Dis on Coulter all you like, I do when it suits me, but don't waste bandwidth doing the work of our enemies on this space.

I have a wonderful idea ... Why not EXPLAIN Coulters point to people who DIDN'T hear the whole thing???  It is a valid arguement. Why is the truth something you have to go to go get treatment for expressing?

Why is it OK to ream Coulter for saying something true? Why isn't OK to remember she was talking about the leftist penchant for mind control and re-education??? WHY RAGNAR!?

BEEN TO TREATMENT LATELY!???

WE NEED TO CHANGE THE BATTLEFIELD!

Boycott these kinds of threads. If nobody leaves the first comment, nobody can leave a second comment! Go to where we can win, and leave the smoke and ashes for those who can only circle around apologizing for trivialities!

IT IS WEAKNESS TO APOLOGIZE FOR TRUTH!!!!

And I'm not asking Ragnar to apologize for his earlier valid point. But if 'fragging' is your big concern, then stop 'fragging' this blog! Coulter *BOOM*  Ann said *BOOM*  Just freakin stop!

What did Pelosi say recently? Anyone?

What about tub'o'lies Murtha? Anyone?

What about crusty-pants-Kerry? Any good stuff here we COULD BE ATTACKING?

It's hard to shine a light on the real bad guys with our own people holding a magnifying glass over the wrong target.

Bring on the Sluts Ragnar, you do that well.

USA, all the way!

10 She's a bitch because she uses words like "raghead" and "f*g" and "f*ggot" and sees nothing wrong with doing so.

LOL.  Now you're channelling civil behavior.

I'm sorry, but coming from a regular contributor to Jawa that just sounds funny. 

11 Rightmom -

I'm all for standing on principle.  I've done it all my life.  I don't think standing on true principle makes a woman a bitch or a man an asshole, or whatever.

At the same time, I've never believed in the principle of purposefully hurting people just because you can.  I've never believed in bullying and thorwing your weight around just to prove you can do so with impunity.  I've never believed in putting forth a vulgar display of obscenity just to prove that you can get away with it.

Perhaps those are the principles you hold dear.  If so, you and I have very little in common philosophically.

Ann Coulter can say whatever she wants--but I have every right to say what I think about what she says.

12 "Ann Coulter can say whatever she wants--but I have every right to say what I think about what she says"   Yes. You do!  Contrary to my last comment might indicate. I support your right to your voice. Can we start beating up the enemy now, please?                  
                                USA, all the way!

13 I do hold the principle of saying what I want without regard to how people are going to take it because this is my life however  in that I am not evil and in that I do not go around spouting hateful shit all day either I rarely find myself insulting someone however I will call a spade a spade when necessary and Ann by the way was doing just that and I really wish and hope that all who abhor what she said will at least look at her whole skit and not just what the left has cut out for propaganda purposes.  I also agree that this waste of a week of space to deride her for her comments really needs to just go away to the leftist sites from whence it was spawned and let the right get back to calling the bs on the real haters.  I would personally like to see a post on Gathering of Eagles as that is going to be the biggest event of the year on March 17th and I for one will present and accounted for along with my 2 sons and my husband and am looking forward to the exorcist like head spinning of the lefttards when they see the actual number of people showing up, it will be HUGE!!! 

14 I think we still probably need to let Ragnar know that those of us who have disagreed with him, still appreciate his efforts on the wider issues. Just sayin ...                  USA, all the way!

15

TO ALL. I have to say, I'm kinda upset with myself. I am normally rather fond of civility. I think it IS fair for Ragnar, or any fellow travellers to caution the rest of us about walking into a PR landmine. Nobody want's to be put in the same catagory with the 'woman' who is 'effing' every other sentence up over on 'thier' side. We can't hold ourselves as having a higher standard if we do the same things. That I have to agree with, now that I'm calmer.

I was reacting to two main points during all of this.

First. Coulter made a point, and it was valid, and our side threw it out with the bath water. This was a mistake. What the left is doing when they censor a persons political behavior through 'therapy' is nothing less than soft brainwashing. It is a kind of evil. Exercising free speech isn't a medical, or psychological condition. Treating it like that is Orwellian evil. Tolerating that treatment is gutless cowardess. Condemning those who try to bring this to our attention, allows it to go uncontested.

Second. We don't own Coulter. She is not our slave. She is not ours to discard as we will. I was deeply angered by calls to put an end to her activities. If she was an employee on my time, I could do that to the point of firing her for using my time to promote her activites. That's it. As it sits, we don't have to buy her books, anymore than we have to buy Dixie Chicks CD's. We can express our opinion about her opinion, but we don't have a right of censorship. There was a lot of talk that took the tone as if we DID have that kind of right, and I reacted to it.

Michelle Malkin, whose reasoning powers I simply adore, was correct to say this sort of language shouldn't be encouraged because of the unintended damage it can cause to our side. MM does have a point. I don't recall ever finding her in error, where she herself, wasn't the first person to correct any mistakes. Lots of people agreed with MM, and let the world know this in a fairly loud voice. This it seems, was necessary, because we are in many ways much to civil already. The left pulverizes us in the game of perception.

So here we are helping them out. Not only do we drown out Coulter's point, but we are kicking one of our own most tireless warriors. She is really one of the precious few who will snatch that little 'moral authority' card from the hands of the left, and rip it up in thier snotty faces. The left hates her just slightly less than President Bush. She draws fire that would probably be aimed at him, if she wasn't there, ticking off the BDS'rs with her 'Coulterisms'.

They hate MM maybe a tiny bit less, but don't think they aren't trying to fnd excuses to tear down her as well. Does Michelle use dirty words? Not so I've noticed. It doesn't matter. If she says terrorists are 'Islamic Fascists' then she gets labelled as a racist, and she is being deadly accurate. You see, it doesn't matter what Michelle, or Coulter, or  Ragnar, or I say. It can be accurate, and honest, but if the left doesn't like it, they will twist it. It doesn't matter which of us they are mad at. The treatment will be the same.

Just watch the ever tolerated John Ryan try to switch the topic on any given thread. That seems to be his mission here, and he is welcome to try. It is a free country after all.

But what is important about John Ryans' actions, is that the topic is almost always the first thing he tries to control. Most of us see through that, but in the larger media, the left has this down pat. So if one of us says the word 'faggot' in a loud enough voice, we will get reamed by the left, and thier media. It's a sure thing. They understand what Dick Morris was trying to tell Bush. You have to change the topic. This means when something isn't making you look good, say 'I'm sorry' or whatever, and then get the hell out of there.

Don't spend days tearing at the same target the left is, because they won't stop just because we start. Look at Foley. We rightly condemned him .... day after day after day, and the left loved it. Any extra energy we spent admitting our boy was a 'faggot' and maybe involved with teenagers, was a day we weren't tearing the hell out of someone like McCaskill. A lot of our own ammo spent trying to reduce a liability the left wouldn't let go of. We actually paid a hard price for our misplaced attention.

The left chose the topic. They always do. This needs to stop.

So I'm sorry if I was sharp with Ragnar, but I hope this explanation makes a difference. I wanted to move on from this days ago, without the essay. But since the left already knows how to do the topic thingy, and we don't, I figured it wouldn't hurt to share after all.

I love this blog, and I hate it when we disagree like this. Our enemies are the only ones who benefit.

USA, and Jawas, all the way!

16 Here is the comment that started it all:

"I
was going to have a few comments on the other Democratic presidential
candidate John Edwards, but it turns out you have to go into rehab if
you use the word 'faggot,' so I ... can't really talk about Edwards."

It was NOT a knock against gheys.   It's OBVIOUS this was primarily a knock at POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, and only secondarily a knock at Edwards.  So give it a rest already.  You're only proving her 100% correct.  I don't care how offensive she is-- she's right.  Which is why so many people love her.  I expect this kind of faux outrage from Leftards, and perhaps a word of mild rebuke from conservatives for the sake of appearances, but this is getting ridiculous already.  Michael Weaver is right on target.  Stop buying into Leftardism.

17 Look, I'm admittedly left-leaning and I honestly don't feel what Ann Coulter does and says should be seen as any reflection on the conservative movement whatsoever. This is truly a tempest in a teapot.

What her comments reflect are the views of the ultra-nationalists and jingoists who have unfortunately aligned themselves with the Republican Party, who have themselves unfortunately aligned themselves with conservative thought in recent years. Do not mistake either one for the other.

Ann always has been about "Brand Coulter," feeding her fans the red meat they expect even as she worked to advance her type of conservative thought.

In this latest incident, it was absolutely about her take on political correctness. Deplorable? Probably, but she's always been deplorable as part of her persona; she just has to up the ante a bit these days as new talent moves in on her old turf. And again, part of Brand Coulter is to be anything but politically correct--much like Bill Maher.

Don't expect her to advance the cause, or harm it, in any other way. In fact, quit depending on her to advance the cause period. She's just a loud-ass selling books that's finding out she has to become even louder to stay relevant.

18

I'd have to say Gleeps assesment is reasonable, even if I'd quibble over some points. Basically, despite our best intentions, we are at a time when truth will be lost in the shouting. Ann isn't that big a deal. Look at the two destructomouths on "The View" and tell me Ann is a problem. Look at Bill Maher, and tell me Ann is a problem. Anyhoo ...                           USA, all the way!

19 It's not nice to call someone names when you disagree with them.

Bitch.

20

I'm sure Ann Coulter's relieved she doesn't have to walk around on your eggshells anymore.

This petition is more embarrassing to Conservatives than a few poorly chosen words.

21  Ragnar Danneskjold, Arrogant Prick
 

Dude please dont get me wrong, I love what you are doing here at JAWA but seriously you need to put the crack pipe down and back slowly away from it.

 

Homosexuality is a perversion of nature and an abomination before God. It deserves no favoritism or protection and all the ridicule and derision that can be cast upon it.

 

You are sliding down a greased chute of a slippery slope with your politically correct acceptance of a vile and despicable chosen lifestyle and its practitioners struggle to legitimize their perverted chosen lifestyle.  

 

The homosexual community wants you to affirm that their chosen perverted lifestyle is acceptable natural and good and that is exactly what you are doing fighting their battle for them.

 

There is no greater evil on the face of this earth then to witness an act of evil and do nothing about it. And the homosexual communities struggle to transform a act of perversion into a legitimate acceptable act is an act of evil that is corrupting many a good person who fails to act when witnessing evil into evil people.

 

Don’t allow yourself to become the greatest form of evil because you chose not to confront evil.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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22 Damn doriangrey: Pretty good.

23 greyrooster,
 

Even a broke clock is right twice a day; I'm just a poor insignificant musician trying to do what is right without alienating everyone in the process (and good god is that hard). I believe that in most cases there is a very definite and distinct right and wrong. I wish that I were some great prophet capable of shedding light upon the problems of the world, but I’m not I am just a insignificant musician trying to make the world a better place for everyone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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