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October 08, 2006

Airboating Through The Fever Swamps

The average Daily Kos reader, male, female, and others

I took a trip to the Dagobah System of the 'sphere, Dkos, just to see what they were saying about the NORK nuke test.

Here's just a small sample of the comments ~~over~~ under there:

...Bush's approval rating is in red-alert territory again. Usually they just up the FearCon level when that happens, but I think that trick's lost most of its effectiveness. So I have to think that, regrettably, you might have something in your last sentence. God grant we're both wrong.

Every single time it gets this bad, and this has been the worst time for him, something happens to pull it out.

I think this is what the Bu$heviki are going to pull out of the hat to distract Amurkans from Foleygate. I'm not--quite--ready to claim they engineered it this way or that this is Rove's "October Surprise," but the timing is certainly convenient. Maybe too damn convenient.

It has happened too many times to be coincidental. And it always is precisely timed. I won't even hesitated to say it is too damn convenient. Believe your eyes and your gut.

There is a sane voice over there, urinating into the gale:

how in the world does the Bush Admin "time" a nuke test by the N Koreans???

I took these five quotes just out the first thirteen. Feel free, if you dare, to go read the rest of them.

Once again, this is a situation where the blame stretches back over many years, not just the last two administrations. This problem goes back to the fact that we failed to completely and utterly defeat and humiliate the enemy in 1953, signed a cease-fire, and voila, here we are today.

But to claim that the Bush Admin. actually orchestrated this for the elections. Good lord, that's just f***ing insane.

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1 Ship these idiots to North Korea and nuke the whole damn lot !

Posted by: Darth Vag at October 09, 2006 01:29 AM (HSkSw)

2 Shame! Shame! You are likely to receive a fatwa for that depiction of Allah! Devil will do meetballs from your body!

Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 09, 2006 01:36 AM (Dd86v)

3 So North Korea drops a bomb. Well we know who the lefturds will blame...

I bet that tomorrow Tory Bear Sully will be just enjoying the blimiest hissy fit as he goes about honking anti-Bush rubbish instead of blaming the very potty Kim.

The hirsute poof should go back to east London and relish in anti-American Bush-loathing by drinking a nice warm one donated by an Islamofaggot !

Posted by: Darth Vag at October 09, 2006 01:48 AM (HSkSw)

4 Um, Larry?

That's actually the picture Darth Vag sent me when he tried to engage me in Foley-style email.

He does that alot, you know.

Posted by: Vinnie at October 09, 2006 02:11 AM (/qy9A)

5

Rove's "October Surprise,

buahahaha! Our october surprise nuked your October surprise.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 09, 2006 02:25 AM (8e/V4)

6 how in the world does the Bush Admin "time" a nuke test by the N Koreans???

Any sane person would ask himself that question-- but I guess that's too much to expect from your average Lost Kos Kid. The few times I've perused the comments section on that blog it's like walking into a sanitarium.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 09, 2006 02:27 AM (8e/V4)

7 How soon will it be before Foley announces he is switching to the Democratic Party because Republicans are too intolerant and anti-Gay?

Posted by: Darth Vag at October 09, 2006 02:32 AM (HSkSw)

8 Right around the time you start embracing your "Longhorn" and reply to Foley's IMs, Vag.

Posted by: Vinnie at October 09, 2006 02:41 AM (/qy9A)

9 The Huskers are gonna get "IM'd" (internally massaged) on their own turf on October 21.

Hook 'em Horns!!!!

Posted by: Darth Vag at October 09, 2006 02:50 AM (HSkSw)

10 The implicit admission from the Kos posters is that a hot defense issue is bad for democrats. I really, really want to play poker against these guys.

Posted by: bigmac at October 09, 2006 04:51 AM (MXEOG)

11 Choice Quotes from the Jawa Comments
"The sooner the frogs are exterminated as a race the better off the world will be. Cultures are like people, and once they've passed their peak, they either ease quitely into their golden years and then on to peaceful oblivion, or become bitter and hateful toward the world. Of course, some, like the British, just become senile and infantile in their dottering old age." - Improbulus Maximus

"The anonymous lefturd's apologetics only support my position that they are 100% on the side of our enemies and will stand with them when the war is in our streets. Of course, this will only make it easier to identify them, and justifies their extermination." - Improbulus Maximus

Posted by: Rhyleh at October 09, 2006 05:51 AM (Q+ifs)

12 Darn, I thought the October Surprise was the Iran invasion.

Posted by: Howie at October 09, 2006 08:28 AM (YdcZ0)

13 Why don't you go point out some of the "choice comments" on the Kos or Atrios site, or better yet, DU or some of the other fever swamp blogs of the Leftists to them, you fricking whore Rhyleh? Hypocrite!

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 09, 2006 09:11 AM (rUyw4)

14 You can say what you will about KOS readers (your personal obssesion) they don't systematically call for R executions and being wiped out with 'enemies' - come to think of it, a point can be made that commenters here mirror AQ's sentiments to some degree. Whereas AQ calls some Americans as 'infidels' to be slaughtered, here some Americans are called as 'enemies' to be slaughtered - what's the difference?

Posted by: tbone at October 09, 2006 12:05 PM (HGqHt)

15 No, no, tbone, don't you realize that the Liberals are supposed to be the party of tolerance, so that when they break the character created for them by Rush Limbaugh, they're hypocrites? Conservatives have never laid claim to such lofty moral intentions as compassion or tolerance or empathy in the cause of supporting America. So no matter how low they sink, they stay true to their character and could never be accused of hypocrisy. Sweet deal, huh?

Posted by: Gleep! at October 09, 2006 12:44 PM (UHKaK)

16 Conservatives have never laid claim to such lofty moral intentions as
compassion or tolerance or empathy in the cause of supporting America.

Gleep,

that is 100% correct. And yet despite that, I see no less intolerance in the Lib camp than I do in the conservative camp. The only difference I see is the lip service. Which is what makes your intolerance so much more despicable.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 09, 2006 02:02 PM (8e/V4)

17 JC - Talk about missing the irony. The point made is that the definition of tolerance foisted upon the liberal party by the Limbaughs and Coulters of the world is a caricature in the first place. Therefore, telling self-congratulatory loudmouths to piss off is a far cry from being intolerant.

Posted by: Gleep! at October 09, 2006 02:18 PM (UHKaK)

18 definition of tolerant: inclined to tolerate the beliefs, practices, or traits of others/////

...telling self-congratulatory loudmouths to piss off is a far cry from being intolerant...

Oh, I don't know about that. Caricature, huh? Doubtful, at best, as I've seen nothing tolerant about liberal/leftist behavior of late. I like your latest entry into the "Why can't we all just get along" sweepstakes, though. It's sure to make friends and influence enemies, Gleep, and speaking of loudmouths......well, you get the picture!

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 09, 2006 02:44 PM (rUyw4)

19 Therefore, telling self-congratulatory loudmouths to piss off is a far cry from being intolerant.

Gleep,

Your claims to "tolerance" are as fallacious as your claims to being "open-minded". I've yet to meet a Liberal who admitted he might be wrong, or that conservatives might be right once in a while. That doesn't sound very open-minded to me. Which, again, makes your claims to being so that much more despicable.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 09, 2006 02:51 PM (8e/V4)

20 The thing is, and here's the kicker: Repubs and Demos are the flip side to the same useless coin. They are both religions unto themselves and you all are the imams. Stop preaching and start practicing.

Posted by: tbone at October 09, 2006 02:59 PM (HGqHt)

21 tbone,

on that I can agree on-- which again makes Liberal claims to being superior that much more despicable ;-)

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 09, 2006 03:05 PM (8e/V4)

22 Hey, I thought you were a Liberal at one time, until you saw some light or something. You NEVER admitted you were wrong even once at that time? Then you're either a liar or a hypocrite, which will it be? And personally, I don't care if we get along or not...guess that makes me a conservative.

Posted by: Gleep! at October 09, 2006 03:12 PM (UHKaK)

23 Hey, I thought you were a Liberal at one time, until you saw some light
or something. You NEVER admitted you were wrong even once at that time?

Gleep,

Yes, in fact I was a Lib once upon a time. Staunchly so. I would have been the troll on this blog about 6 years ago.

And that's why I know you Libs better than you know yourselves. I've seen Liberalism from all angles.

Did I ever admit I was wrong? Of course not, I was a Liberal.

Doesn't mean we can't get along.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 09, 2006 03:18 PM (8e/V4)

24 So you're arguing that because you were once a liberal, you've mastered all there is to know about the liberal position? I call BS.You don't even know basic history or knowledge about contemporary facts. I doubt for example you could explain the rationale for a universal health care system.

And yes, my point was that Kos people don't call for genocides or mass murders. That particularly charming trait seems largely reserved for the conservative commentators - who are geneally too wrapped up in their self-righteous anger to do any actual thinking or arguing (hence the name-calling, e.g., lefturds).

Posted by: Rhyleh at October 09, 2006 03:23 PM (Q+ifs)

25 I doubt for example you could explain the rationale for a universal health care system.

I doubt 99% of Liberals could-- which is precisely why they're still Liberals.

Anyway, the difference between conservatives and Liberals is the things they value, not how much "info" they have.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 09, 2006 03:25 PM (8e/V4)

26 JC, you strike me as a staunch believer in all of your positions; you were once a staunch liberal and now you are a staunch conservative. The lesson here may be that it isn't wise to be too staunch.

Believe it or don't -- and you likely won't -- I was once largely conservative in my core beliefs and voting patterns. That's not to say even then I didn't harbor what could only be called liberal individual beliefs. And now that I identify more with a liberal I position, I am still personally opposed to abortion and a few other reliably conservative positions.

Like you, I saw serious hypocracy from those who supposedly represented my values. Unlike you, I didn't entirely abandon all my beliefs for what seems to be an entirely new set. So let's argue our points, agree to disagree when necessary and carry on!

Posted by: Gleep! at October 09, 2006 03:53 PM (UHKaK)

27 Unlike you, I didn't entirely abandon all my beliefs for what seems to be an entirely new set.

Gleep,

I didn't entirely abandon all my beliefs either. Only the beliefs I consider core make me a conservative. In fact, if Dems hadn't given the party up to the fundamentalist atheists and hard Left, I might still call myself a Democrat.

That doesn't mean we wouldn't agree on other stuff. For instance, I'm not ideologically opposed to universal healthcare if it could be shown to work (I was just being snide above). Nor am I in favor of making seniors eat cat food, nor starving babies or drowning puppies.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 09, 2006 04:02 PM (8e/V4)

28 Nor am I in favor of making seniors eat cat food, nor starving babies or drowning puppies.

LOL! Good to know.

I shouldn't be giving you guys such a hard time anyways; if you've got a core set of conservative values, you likely feel more let down by the current government than I do. I at least expected it.

Posted by: Gleep! at October 09, 2006 04:15 PM (UHKaK)

29 if you've got a core set of conservative values, you likely feel more let down by the current government than I do.

You just stumbled onto something. In fact, that's the reason for Bush's low numbers-- he isn't conservative enough

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 09, 2006 04:28 PM (8e/V4)

30 This is true, he is a sell-out to his party's principles â€” but in all fairness, that process began about '96.

Posted by: Gleep! at October 09, 2006 04:32 PM (UHKaK)

31 Bout time Vinnie posted his picture.

Posted by: Greyrooster at October 09, 2006 08:51 PM (xJ3Xm)

32 Damn, a fricking love-in! Well, dammit, universal health care is worthless because it doesn't work. It causes rationing of vital care, raises the costs, discourages innovation, encourages overuse, and I could go on and on. How's that for a bomb thrown right into the middle of the love fest? Now, have at me.

Posted by: jesusland joe at October 09, 2006 09:47 PM (rUyw4)

33 Ya just gotta argue about something.

I say universal healthcare saves money becaue it is cheaper for individuals and employers to fund healthcare through taxes than it is to buy policies through insurers; employers now have more money to provide jobs, thereby generating more tax revenue which provides more healthcare.

In addition, it is cheaper to provide preventative care now than it is to wait until people are seriosuly ill and then pass the costs of treatment on to taxpayers anyway.

Finally, tax-payer funding promotes more and better research and cures by eliminating the profit motive as the sole decider of which medications are produced and which aren't.

Unless I'm wrong of course.

Posted by: Gleep! at October 09, 2006 10:23 PM (jbn6u)

34 Gleep: Ha, ha. There is nothing the government can do cheaper than private industry. Why? The people on the payroll do not profit from their work. Therefore, they don't work. Example: Communism.

Posted by: Greyrooster at October 10, 2006 05:04 AM (xJ3Xm)

35 A. Not true. Every type of government employs private industry at some level to fulfill citizen needs; profit willalways be involved.

B. In all cases, cheaper does not equal better. When will you Wal-Mart heads start figuring that out?

Posted by: Gleep! at October 10, 2006 01:11 PM (UHKaK)

36 Gleep: The fact that every type of government employs private industry at some level proves my point. they must hire outside help because government employees do not work. Thanks for the help. Ha, ha

Posted by: Greyrooster at October 10, 2006 10:17 PM (xJ3Xm)

37 Vinnie should win the best self portrait of the year award with this one.

Posted by: Greyrooster at October 10, 2006 10:19 PM (xJ3Xm)

38 Sure, Rooster. If anyone needs the help, it's you. Ha, ha. Ha. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Ha. Hahahahahahah,

Posted by: Gleep! at October 11, 2006 12:16 AM (w0kL4)

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