January 05, 2007

Leftist Bloggers Jump on Jamil Hussein with a Vengeance

Further to my previous post, the lefty bloggers are all over Jamil Hussein.

I say, welcome to the party. Better late than never.

Now, grab yourself a beer & start paying attention, and you just might learn something.

Today, this Kossack lays into the Jawa Report for questioning the Jamil Hussein story:

If I wanted to, I am certain that I or others could document hundreds of more examples [of Bush lies]. That won't matter to the Kool-Aid drinkers at The Jawa Report and elsewhere in Right Wing World who will continue to believe whatever the Bush administration and the Pentagon tell them, and will continue to doubt any media report which disputes the officially approved narrative regarding Iraq, Afghanistan and the War on Terror.

Those of us on the "left" do not always blindly accept at face value major news reports because of a well documented bias in the mainstream US media favoring President Bush and Republicans, and attacking liberals, progressives, Democrats and anyone else who publicly dissents regarding the Bush administration’s well documented history of disinformation, lies and propaganda. However, I think in this instance we are more than justified in granting the Associated Press more credibility when it comes to their Iraq reporting than the official statements offered by our President and his government about what's happening "over there." The track record of the AP in Iraq may not be perfect, but it shines like a solid gold trophy in comparison to the Bush administration’s record for truth.

Nice strawman. This is a very common liberal "debate" tactic. It goes lilke this. Party A criticizes Party B (in this case, the AP). Liberal Defender shows up on the scene and dismisses criticism of Party B based on the argument that Party C (in this case, George Bush) is worse than Party B. Because Party C (Bush) is considered worse than Party B (AP), we should be talking about Party C and not Party B. If you fall for it, your're then talking about the badness of Party C rather than the badness of Party B, and the tactic is successful. The lefties consider this particularly effective if Party C can be somehow linked to Party A, thereby raising the spectre of hypocrisy. It works like this:

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Right Blogger : "William Jefferson had $100,000 in cash stashed in his freezer. Looks pretty fishy."

Left Blogger : "What?!?!? You've GOT to be KIDDING ME!!!! You want to talk about THAT, when there's so much WORSE going on!?!?!? What about Duke Cunningham? What about Bob Ney? What about Richard F-ing NIXON, for crap's SAKE!!! What about Ulysses S. Grant!?!?!? You wingnuts are INCREDIBLY hypocritical!!! Why do you IGNORE the massive corruption by your BEST FRIENDS??? I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS!!!"

Right Blogger : "But, we were talking about William Jefferson, a sitting congressman."

Left Blogger : "YOU WINGNUTS JUST DON'T GET IT!!! You're ALWAYS WRONG ALL THE TIME ABOUT EVERYTHING. I really can't believe this. You are so BLINDED by your faith in everything that the BushCheneyChimpyMcHitlerBurton propaganda machine spits out, I can't even carry on a conversation with you."

etc., etc.

This is what passes for reasoned debate on the left side of the blogosphere. If you stay on point and press the issue, they'll usually just stop talking to you, but only after throwing a wall of nasty invective and chaff at you in order to distract you. This is how they operate. Modus operandi.

Another leftist, who apparently fully understands the conflict in Iraq, had this to say about all of us "incredible stupid idiots" on the right:

My other link is something that was obvious except to the incredible stupid idiots that make up the right wing blogosphere - the Iraq Shiite controlled Interior Ministry admits that Capt. Jamil Hussein exists. For weeks the right has been claiming that the AP had made him up, to me further proving they lack any understanding of the Iraqi conflict or the role of a free media. The E&P article only further emphasizes the lack of knowledge of the current Right-Wing bloggers. As I stated a month ago it was obvious that the Interior Ministry was lying, they had all the reasons to - the AP had none and had continued to state the obvious: they had numerous contacts with the Hussien for over a year in his uniform and at his post. It is hard to overstate the idiocy and reality denying nature of the right in this case.
It was "obvious" that the Iraqi Ministry was lying? Is this guy clairvoyant? Does he carry on regular conversations with Jamil Hussein? Dude, guessing and being right is not the same as "knowing." The AP had plenty of reasons to lie if Jamil Hussein was a fabrication. They could've been covering their own butts and hoping the story just went away. It wouldn't be the first time that happened. And what incentive did the Iraqi Ministry have to lie? Unless they were planning to kill off Jamil Hussein, they would've known he would pop up eventually, making them look like fools or liars. The most reasonable explanation is that they made a mistake. It looks like AP has been making some mistakes, too. The Iraqi Ministry has owned up to its mistake. If it turns out the original "burning six" story was flawed, will the AP own up to its mistakes?

More sweetness and light from the left here:

It looks like the francosphere is in full bore celebration mode now that Jamil Hussein's arrest has made you look like fools. I hope you don't let their laughter get to you. It doesn't matter that you wrote dozens and dozens of posts claiming that Hussein was a fictional AP source. It's the reason you did it that's important. Hussein's quotes to the AP were losing the war for us. You stopped him. I think that makes you heroes.
Yeah, that was it. Way to completely miss the point. AGAIN.

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1 I count at least three uses of "document" as in "well-documented," yet not one single effort to document anything at all. Especially laugh-worthy is the assertion of the "well-documented" press bias for the President and Republicans. How can anyone who makes such a statement be expected to be taken seriously about anything at all?

Analogy is not the weakest form of argument, truism is the weakest. Irony alert: my argument that truism is the weakest form of argument is in the form of a truism.


Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at January 05, 2007 12:21 PM (vBK4C)

2 Lamest of the lame.  You guys can't even admit when you are wrong.  Did you REALLY think that the AP would make something up out of whole cloth?  Not just one reporter, alone, screwing up, like the black guy at the NYT.  Not just a bunch of reporters fooled by some spin by politicos (whether of the right or left, here or abroad, happens a lot, these people are smart spinners and propagandists, see WMD campaign of 2002-3).  But an entire desk, the Iraq desk at AP, making a source up.  Duh.  The fact that the Shi'ite Iraqi government didn't confirm the existence of someone who was reporting embarrassing things about their rule..DUH. 
 
I might possibly have a shred of respect for this website if you just maybe admitted that you were wrong once in a while. C'mon...try it.

Posted by: rougvie at January 05, 2007 01:03 PM (aqTJB)

3 I think you fail to understand the thrust of the Kossack's argument: righty bloggers use the Jamil thing as evidence of systemic bias; the moonbat's allusion to worse bias cutting the other way is aimed at the wingnut's ultimate conclusion, which is that there's a systemic moonbat bias in the MSM.

Posted by: jpe at January 05, 2007 01:10 PM (+rmhC)

4 You leftists are clueless. The issue was not whether or not Jamil existed. It was whether or not the AP was fact checking or evaluating the source of their info. Guess what? They weren't! They had to change the number of mosques they claimed had been burned and have not been able to provide any proof of 6 people being burned alive. But you think the Jamil issue is what we were concerned about. (roll eyes)

Posted by: 666 at January 05, 2007 02:53 PM (MarbK)

5 They found Jamail ? And now he is under arrest ?
Well I guess the next step is to find and dig up those 6 sunnis.
Jeez you go camping for a week in the woods and the whole world turns upside down.

Posted by: John Ryan at January 05, 2007 03:04 PM (fCLAR)

6 John Lyin:


Camping in the woods? Did you squeal like a pig, boy?



Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at January 05, 2007 07:05 PM (abVz3)

7 To tell you the truth, I'm not buying that he's under arrest.  If this guy was going to be arrested for talking to the media, it would have happened BEFORE the bloggers got involved.  It still stinks to high heaven.

Posted by: RepJ at January 05, 2007 11:43 PM (rqlgb)

8  "well-documented" press bias for the President and Republicans.

"Well-documented" in the Leftard world is one Leftard making unfounded allegations-- in this case about press bias favoring Bush (LOL.  Hilarious)-- and then another Leftard citing the unfounded allegation.  See!  It's "well-documented"! 

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 06, 2007 09:12 AM (8e/V4)

9 Not giving the lefttist loons conspiracy theories credence is proof how the MSM is biased in favor of Booooosh and the Joooooos!!!

Posted by: 666 at January 08, 2007 10:52 AM (MarbK)

10 Jeff: That was good. Cracked me up. John Lyins canoe trip. Wonder if his ear hurts. Wheeee.

Posted by: Greyrooster at January 09, 2007 06:43 PM (w+w6p)

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