Chemical Attack in Iraq?
There is no confirmation of the report, only a claim made by a group. If they actually used chemical weapons, they were ineffective as no injuries were reported from the attack on the Green Zone. The same group had threatened to use chemical weapons on Sept. 11th.
In a statement issued today, September 13, 2005, The Victorious Army Group, [Jeish al-Ta'eifa al-Mansoura], claims to have fired chemical rockets today at several targets in Baghdad, including the Ministry of Interior, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Green Zone, and the Security Academy. According to the message, the explosions “shook the whole capital Baghdad,†and ambulances were seen carrying away the dead of the “converters.†The group indicates: “Here are the mujahideen rockets hitting the converters’ dens as a response to the evil thing done by them in Tal Afar.â€
For the first time, terrorists linked to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi are claiming to have struck the Iraqi capital Baghdad with chemical weapons. The claim was made in a statement published on the Internet by Islamic group al-Taifa Mansura (The Victorious Side) which is part of the al-Qaeda network and close to its Iraqi representative, al-Zarqawi.
The same group last Sunday threatened to attack the Green Zone in Baghdad with missiles containing chemical warheads unless the Americans halted the ongoing offensive against the city of Telafar.
A short while ago, in a second statement the group claimed responibility for missile attacks on central Baghdad from 8.30am till 10am local time on Tuesday morning. The message alleged that chemical weapons hit the interior ministry, the foreign ministry and the American training school which is also located in the heavily fortified Green Zone....
The firing of five rockets was confirmed by an Islamic site close to the Baathist-inspired guerrillas - islammemo - which referred to at least four rockets with chemical warheads. The site, which tends to publish unreliable biased news reports, celebrates it as the first chemical attack in Iraq."
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How about responding in kind. We are spendign millions destroying these horrid weapons. Would it not be more cost effective to show Zaqueery and his bunch what real chem weapons can do. No wouldn't be prudent as W sr. used to say.
Posted by: Howie at September 13, 2005 01:36 PM (D3+20)
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You know Mahmood, doing a "poo finger" on each rocket does not make it a WMD.
You got to try a little harder. NOW GET BACK OUT THERE AND GIVE ME YOUR BEST!!!
Posted by: Filthy Allah at September 13, 2005 01:38 PM (5ceWd)
Posted by: Oyster at September 13, 2005 01:51 PM (fl6E1)
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Chemical warheads do not make explosions. Heat and shock of an explosion tend to destroy the chemicals, defeating the purpose. Instead, chem warheads tend to have very small charges intended to spread their contents around or even just make sure their cases are open.
Posted by: Robert Crawford at September 13, 2005 01:57 PM (n5eDP)
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Didn't you hear, there are no WMD in Iraq. Cindy Sheehan said so.
Posted by: The Man at September 13, 2005 02:02 PM (EDlAL)
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Actually Mr. Crawford, there is a minor explosion. More of a "POP" really. The dispersal of a chemical munition is a complex occurance when attached to a mortar or a bomb lets say. A bomb on the road side would probably destroy the chemical. A mortar could be fitted to disperse a chem weapon but I doubt Sayeed and Abu in their underground lab can manage to properly assemble a legitmate dispersal mechanism to attach to the mortar. Yes, It can be done under circumstances that don't involve running and dodging bullets but, Sayeed and Abu are not in those circumstances.
I think that they have resorted to the "Poo finger" method of dispersing their own individual chemical biological weapon. This is much easier. Sayeed would after a large dinner of dal,curry & lamb soaked in ghee...dig his index finger in his o-ring up to the first knuckle. Sayeed then, whilst holding the dirty digit in the air, walk over to the morters and then "wipe" the darkend digit on to the morter to be fired at the infidel at a later date. Then, Sayeed would go on the net and announce he "Poo fingered" the morters thus striking fear and disgust in our troops.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at September 13, 2005 02:44 PM (5ceWd)
THis method of "poo finger" Wmd does backfire. The types of food Sayeed is required to eat to create the proper "Poo finger" athmosphere Could in fact create a condition called PSA or, Porn Star Ass from continued bouts in the privy.
I am not sure if you have seen a porno that includes lots of back door action.... but if you have, you know what PSA is. For those that don't, I will try now to show you.
It is a "O" instead of an "x"
Posted by: Filthy Allah at September 13, 2005 02:49 PM (5ceWd)
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This is also known as the 'Mall Rats' WMD.......
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The statement "The site, which tends to publish unreliable biased news reports, ..." was referring to Reuters, … right?
Posted by: Don Miguel at September 13, 2005 04:01 PM (+KixN)
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Respond in time lets use luaghing gas on them and allow them to lighten up
Posted by: sandpiper at September 13, 2005 08:31 PM (g0rz7)
11Actually Mr. Crawford, there is a minor explosion. More of a "POP" really.
Isn't that what I said? I wrote:
Instead, chem warheads tend to have very small charges intended to spread their contents around or even just make sure their cases are open.
My point was there's nowhere near enough to shake anything, let alone an entire city.
Posted by: Robert Crawford at September 13, 2005 08:55 PM (Gn9tM)
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However, you failed to mention anything about "Poofinger" so, you must be an idiot.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at September 13, 2005 09:01 PM (bikuR)
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If any type of NBC attack occurred in the BD Green Zone there is almost a 100% chance that there would have been confirmation by now. This would be big news. It would be a justification for continued presence in Iraq. In addition to that there are many special interest groups who would benefit any type of NBC attack however so small, even if it was a complete failure. Deploying such weapons with any effect requires some skill. I do not see how an attack of this sort could be kept secret for more than a few hours. It could be that they through some household cleaners over the wall and the only way to find the chems is to look for a clean spot.
Posted by: Nelson at September 17, 2005 04:41 AM (S783J)
With some moral arguments, there really is no middle ground. I'd like to think there is but there isn't. So my suggestion--as "black and white" as it may sound--is simple: take a stand. Do you want to abandon those people in Iraq or do you not? Do we turn them over to the "freedom fighters" who bomb women and children and mosques and cops and elected politicians as well as our soldiers? Or do we protect the victims of those "freedom fighters," recognizing the "freedom fighters" as vicious fascist thugs and theocratic nutjobs, and try to help the real people, the overwhelming majority of the Iraqi people, establish a democratic, human rights respecting, and free nation?
I fully support Dean's argument. The time for debating a war, any war, is before it begins. Once it begins the only debate ought to be how to win it in the quickest manner. That is the duty of a patriot.
Further, I believe the war must be won for pragmatic and Realist (I mean this in the foreign policy school of thought sense) reasons. If we do not set up a government that will be allied with the U.S. in Iraq then we will be sending a signal to jihadi forces that terrorism works. Remember, Osama bin Laden first began to believe that America was weak and could be defeated after our retreat from Somalia.
The Left's freedom fighters who we are fighting in Iraq are intent on setting up a Taliban-like state. If they succeed, then not only has the cause of freedom been set back, but the cause of America as well.
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"Once it begins the only debate ought to be how to win it in the quickest manner."
By staying or going.
Also, there is a problem with your 'time to talk is over.' We now have more information than before. We now know more about what was known before. So its really a different conversation than before.
Posted by: actus at September 12, 2005 11:34 PM (y/f3P)
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There will be no ultimate win for us in Iraq, because to win would be to lose. Well, I'll put it a little less cryptically. Were we, rather than the Iraqi forces, to win against the insurgency then Iraq would end up as the same kind of "protectorate" that it was under British rule in the last century. So, in order to establish the legitimacy of something more substancial than an American colony the "freedom fighters" have to defeat the "insurgents." That will establish Iraq as a nation, and just about nothing else will.
And by the time all of this transpires in the way that it ought, the US will be out of the picture almost entirely. It has to be.
Consider that it was the War of 1812, and not the American Revolution, that really established the United States as a nation. And it was during that war, while watching the battle in Baltimore Harbor, that Key wrote The Star Spangled Banner.
Posted by: Demosophist at September 13, 2005 02:18 AM (QKEx7)
3"That will establish Iraq as a nation, and just about nothing else will."
Right. They will have purchased their OWN identity. Hence GW's words "When Iraq stands up, we'll stand down." They will have to finish this war.
Posted by: Oyster at September 13, 2005 05:49 AM (YudAC)
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Bushraq is a cluster and muddy boots sojias OUT!!!
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Right. They will have purchased their OWN identity. Hence GW's words "When Iraq stands up, we'll stand down." They will have to finish this war.
Well, that part's tricky. If we leave too late there will be no, or an insufficient, transfer of legitimacy. Remember Pantani's reaction when Lance gave him the victory on Mont Ventoux. Nations act that way as well. And if we leave too early, of course, the Iraqi "freedom fighters" won't be ready to defeat the "insurgents" and we'll have another failed state on our hands.
So far I haven't seen anyone on the Left or the Right make this argument, because it requires a kind of judgment that neither is very familiar with. But I maintain that Americans will know what to do when the time comes. It's in our genes.
Posted by: Demosophist at September 13, 2005 09:36 AM (hoJy0)
Posted by: Howie at September 13, 2005 11:29 AM (D3+20)
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Howard Dean? Huh? You're kidding, right? The only sane democrat that comes to mind for me is Zell Miller.
Posted by: Oyster at September 13, 2005 04:16 PM (fl6E1)
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No I meant Dean Esmay. He says he is liberal I just assumed he was a Democrat. I meant liberal as in sane liberal. you know about assume it makes an ass of U and me.
http://www.deanesmay.com/archives/000052.html
Posted by: Howie at September 13, 2005 04:43 PM (D3+20)
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But Howie Dean might be fun to get really drunk with at least he has personality. yeeeeaaaahhhh.
Posted by: Howie at September 13, 2005 05:11 PM (D3+20)
Zarqawi on the Run, Accuses US of Using Chemical Weapons
In a new audio tape from al Qaeda in Iraq, Abu Musab al Zarqawi accuses US forces of using 'poison gas' in its offensive on Tel Afar. The audio of the tape is available here (scroll to Sept. 12th, second link).
Some Arab and hardcore Leftist presses have often repeated the claim that the U.S. is using chemical, biological, and even nuclear weapons in Iraq. [related story here]
Zaraqawi's audio speeches have often come at times when it appeared that al Qaeda was on the run. This tape comes as US forces have launched an all out offensive against al Qaeda in Iraq, with a large measure of success. A similar audio tape emerged after reports that Zarqawi had been shot and after the fall of Fallujah to U.S. forces. Both tapes promised the immenent defeat of the U.S. at a time when al Qaeda was on the run.
On the audiotape, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is heard to say:
The Crusaders mobilised their big armies and used the most destructive and lethal weapons and the most deadly and hurtful poison gas together with their stooges. But God made them drink at the hands of the mujahedeen the different kinds of death and made them face horrible things that they will never forget. [source]
Zarqawi is also heard urging his fighters to be prepared for 'a final battle' with the Americans who he calls 'cowards'. Even though it is al Qaeda that uses the tactics of hit and run attacks, IEDs, murdering hostages, beheading, and hiding among the civilian population, Zarqawi is heard calling US forces 'cowards who always seek to run away."
Tel Afar is now controlled by the Coalition troops and al Qaeda forces are reported to have fled the city. Who was it that ran away Zarqawi?
SITE has a partial translation here, in which Zarqawi claims that hurricane Katrina was an act of Allah brought about by the prayers of the faithful:
I believe that the destructive hurricane which hit America, within its own house, was nothing but the result of a prayer of a father or a mother whose son was killed, or of boy who became an orphan, or of a woman whose honor was violated on the lands of Afghanistan, Iraq or othersâ€.
According to Centcom, the Tel Afar offensive continues. 41 suspected terrorists were captured in that city on Sep. 10th as a result of 'Operation Restoring Rights'. Other media reports indicate that as many as 157 al Qaeda linked insurgents were killed in the Tel Afar offensive.
This morning, another operation was launched to root out al Qaeda linked terrorists in Iraq's al Anbar province. The new offensive, Operation 'Cyclone', targetted the terrorist safe haven of Rutbah.
For the past several months, terrorists within Rutbah have escalated their intimidation and murder campaign against the local populace and city government officials. The resulting effect was an increased ability to move freely within the area and a base for them to launch attacks against innocent civilians, Iraqi Security Forces and Coalition Forces.
In recent days, Coalition Forces have also captured Ammar ‘Abd-Al-Hafiz ‘Abd Muhummad (aka Ammar Amam Wakhtif or Sheik Ammar), an admitted terrorist and leader of the lnu’man Brigade, in a raid earlier in September in the Ramadi area. Sayf-al-Din Yahya 'Anad (aka Sheik Sayf or Abu Hamza), a Nu’man Brigade cell leader, was also captured during the raid. He was responsible for organizing and directing attacks against Iraqi Security and Coalition Forces.
Abu Zayd, (above right) identified as the current Al Qaeda in Iraq military emir of Mosul, was also killed in a raid.
Posted by: FIlthy Allah at September 12, 2005 09:15 AM (5ceWd)
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Methinks we've got him and his rook of cowards on the run. I've been saving a bottle of champaign for the day we kill his sorry ass. It's chilled and ready. Maybe today?
Posted by: jesusland joe at September 12, 2005 09:39 AM (q9AWQ)
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Keep it ready Joe. I don't drink, but for this occasion I'll break that rule. Seriously, that will be one of the happiest days of my life.
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Ah, but how does the NYT and other MSMers cover this particular story? They used the headline that stated:
Many insurgents escape US-Iraqi sweep
Check that a moment. Google News used those headlines, but the underlying stories did not - San Jose Mercury news. The San Jose Mercury News reported: Militant positions were found mainly deserted Sunday, and the invading force discovered a network of tunnels below the city through which the insurgents were believed to have fled to the surrounding countryside.
Brig. Gen. Abdul Aziz Mohammed-Jassim, spokesman for the Iraqi army in Tal Afar, said the final insurgent death toll was 157, with 291 suspected militants captured. He said one Iraqi soldier was killed Monday, bringing the army death toll to at least six for the entire operation. Six civilians died, he said.
The U.S. military reported a similar number of insurgent deaths, 141, a day earlier. No U.S. soldiers were killed, it said. Sounds to me like they got a bunch of terrorists to me. No way to know why or how Google News put together that headline except out of wishful thinking?!
Posted by: lawhawk at September 12, 2005 10:22 AM (AcoYr)
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Perhaps a better way to express your joy at the POS being dispatched to his 72 virgins by the Marine Corps extreme dating unit, is perhaps to disrupt one of the evil speeches going on at a Mosque near you. Maybe, stand out side the mosque with a large Cross and say "weeeza cummin fer ya!"
Posted by: Filthy Allah at September 12, 2005 11:40 AM (5ceWd)
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So how do they explain the "terrible wrath of God" that killed thousands of Muslims in the Tsunami? was that the result of some Christian's prayer?
Posted by: dave at September 12, 2005 01:08 PM (CcXvt)
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Dave, they blame the tsunami on the child sex industry in Thailand. Go figure.
Posted by: jesusland joe at September 12, 2005 01:39 PM (q9AWQ)
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For a real thrill why dont we use laughing gas on them instaed it would lighten them up
Posted by: sandpiper at September 12, 2005 01:40 PM (U+eLg)
Posted by: jesusland joe at September 12, 2005 01:55 PM (q9AWQ)
12The Guardian is who came up with that title, lawhawk, and it seems Google liked that one best.
Posted by: Oyster at September 12, 2005 02:19 PM (fl6E1)
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On the audiotape, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is heard to say:
"What de faaaack! Day keep on comming! Don't dez Freakin Infidels stop shooting at us for 5 fuking minutes? Mahmoood! Stop bleeding on my carpet...you are leaking like a sieve you ass! I just bought that. Dammit!"
Posted by: Filthy Allah at September 12, 2005 03:24 PM (5ceWd)
Report of al Qaeda Takeover of al Qaim: "A Crock"
Reports that al Qaim, an Iraqi city near the Syrian border, have fallen into the hands of al Qaeda forces are "a crock of crap", The Marine Corps Times reports today.
The Washington Post had earlier reported that eye witnesses were claiming that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's al Qaeda in Iraq flag was flying over the city, that a sign reading "Welcome to The Islamic Kingdom of Qaim" hung over a mosque, and that an accused prostitute had been murdered in the city under harsh new Islamic law.
The Marine Corps, deployed in the area, is now denying those reports.
Maj. Neil Murphy, a spokesman for II Marine Expeditionary Force, told The Marine Corps Times that reports detailing an all-out al-Qaida takeover in Qaim were a “crock of crap.â€
“Sure, anyone can hang up a poster. That does not mean anything,†Murphy wrote in an e-mail response to questions. “We have a battalion there. [The insurgents] are continually moving to try and find safety, but we are rooting them out and we’ll root them out of Qaim, too.â€
Centcom has made no official statement about the developing situation in al Qaim. However, off-the-record, an official at Centcom was wary of denying these reports to The Jawa Report.
The area in and around al Qaim is a well known route used by al Qaeda terrorists between Syria and Iraq. In recent weeks, Iraqis loyal to the government have been fighting tribes loyal to al Qaeda. The US military has been supporting our allies on the ground in the area through an intense aerial campaign.
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So what else is new. The media is not in Qaim. The media is in their hotels in Bagdad. The media has it's agenda and is phoning in its reports ala Hunter Thompson. And the media no longer has the audience monopoly, credibility or influence it use to have. I wonder why.
Posted by: hondo at September 09, 2005 07:02 PM (4Gtyc)
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hey rusty, why didn't you post the press you got at Instapundit? Is that really you? 20 something? man, put the books down and hit the gym.
Posted by: Mr. K at September 09, 2005 07:44 PM (ztNCV)
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Jenna and Osama got married and live in Qaim dammit!!
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Of course they control Qaim, and I'm the King of Kafiristan!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 11, 2005 09:05 AM (0yYS2)
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And are the news media ready to print another famous headline DEWY DEFEATS TRUMAN again?
Posted by: sandpiper at September 13, 2005 09:52 AM (ILvmZ)
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I'm John Hoellwarth. I wrote the story about this for Marine Corps Times. I called the Post and talked to a repp at thier Foreign desk who said the paper stands behind their reporters, who only rely on "first-hand observations." He asked me to forward him the e-mail I got from Maj. Murphy and I told him he could just read about it in my paper Monday. But, the funny thing was, he then challenged me to get Maj. Murphy to prove that al-Qaida had not taken the town. He was challenging Maj. Murphy to prove a negative, wholy based on his infexible assumption that his reporter was 100 percent accurate. This reporter, of course, is a credible journlaist who didn't make it to the Post by fabricating stories. On the other hand, Maj. Murphy is the spokesman for the Marines who are operating in that entire region, including Qaim. It is his business to know more than the average reporter about enemy activity in his area. So, here we have two credible sources with completely opposite information. Personally, I think the disconnect comes from the reporter's end. She's reporting from Baghdad with the help of correspondents in places other than Qaim as well. I can't prove that she didn't talk to eye witnesses, but it's hard for me to imagine that she's got better info than the Marines in Qaim's vicinity. Nevertheless, the Post said it remained "Completely confident" in the fact gathering od its reporters.
After gathering all that info and filing my story, I went golfing and forgot about the whole thing. My job rocks.
Posted by: The Notebook Ninja at September 14, 2005 10:49 AM (r/1lb)
Hundreds of Terrorists Captured in Iraq, al Qaeda Leader Killed
The Iraqi Interior Ministry is reporting that hundreds of terrorists have been rounded up in the Tal Afar region near the Syrian border. Of the 200 terrorists captured, 150 of them were foreign fighters from Syria, Sudan, Yemen and Jordan.
Centcom is also reporting that between Sept. 4th and 5th combined Iraqi and Coalition teams captured over 50 terrorist suspects in the Baghdad area. One of the captured terrorists was found with a note indicating he was about to become a suicide bomber.
In addition, US forces bombed a known al Qaeda safehouse in near the Syrian border. The target was a known bomb-making cell leader, Abu Mohammad, who has been linked extensively to other al Qaida terrorists and foreign fighters in Husaybah and throughout the Western Euphrates Valley. Additionally, he is known to have worked directly for Abu Islam, the al Qaida 'Emir' of Husaybah, who was killed by a Coalition air strike last week.
Husaybah is located near the city of al Qaim, said to now be controlled by forces loyal to Abu Musab al Zarqawi's al Qaeda in Iraq. Sources within the U.S. military have not denied these reports to The Jawa Report. Tribes loyal to Zarqawi and those aligned with the Iraqi government have been engaged in severe fighting in the past several weeks. I expect (or hope) that many more bombs will fall on these locations in the next few days.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 08, 2005 04:46 PM (0yYS2)
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Randy, surely you jest. The Religion of Peace is not involved in any kind of insurrection in Iraq. Jihad is a struggle of the mind and spirit. The inner peace of the jihad overwhelms all the outside warmongering of the infidels and the crusaders.
Besides, you know that Islamic Law does not see the crudader Christians and kaffirs as people. The Sharia Law only applies to Muslims, and I can kill the Christian dogs and rape the kaffirs with impunity. Doesn't the Koran tell me to kill them and plunder their wealth?
Can I be charged with killing or raping a Christian dog? Why do you think we want the Sharia? Hell, man, we can kill and rape and plunder and still be following the mandate of the Koran. In other words, we can kill and we can have all the sex we want to with the kaffirs because Allah doesn't see them as people. They are the slaves of Allah and he has placed them here for our use.
Gee, Randy, get a grip. You're going to give us jihadis a bad name if you don't stop with your shit.
Posted by: jesusland joe at September 08, 2005 05:10 PM (q9AWQ)
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200 more whiners to feed. 3/4 of them foreigners? And they're there for the tourist sites?
Too bad they weren't "shot while escaping."
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at September 08, 2005 05:32 PM (Oy3+T)
Posted by: tyler at September 08, 2005 06:27 PM (t+GZI)
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I just updated my post after watching the Newshour With Jim Lehrer on PBS. Lehrer mentioned that Tal Afar was surrounded and that there was "heavy fighting", but neglected to mention that two hundred terrorists were captured. No bias here, folks, move along.
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Randy is the psydonym that the great Dr. Rusty Shackleford has to use now that the evil professor Mohamad Al-Khodry of West Virgina University is on to him. He cannot let the evil professor discover his true identity.
NOW, WTF? What has happened to all the rednecks in West Virgina? We need a redneck alert in wherever the hell West Virginia University is. Do they have universities in West Virginia?
Posted by: jesusland joe at September 08, 2005 06:44 PM (q9AWQ)
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The rednecks were all driven underground by a concerted attack by leftist, anti-American organizations such as the ADL, ACLU, and NAACP, with the government doing the dirty work. Not only are whites now unable to publicly declare love for their own people, but are even forbidden from responding to a threat to their safety. I guarantee you that when the first terror supporter is lynched, the media will go into a hysterical frenzy, screaming racism from every housetop, but I think that few people really give a damn what the media says anymore, because it's clear they're not on our side.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 08, 2005 10:20 PM (0yYS2)
Capt. Michael "Scott" Speicher Still Alive?
This CNN article implies that the Navy still believes Speicher is alive after 14 years. That would be a miracle indeed. But isn't it more logical to conclude, after all this time, that if any former Hussein regime officials 'know of his location' that they are now talking about the location of his body? I pray that he is still alive, but it would be shocking to find out that he still was.
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I was an airman in Speicher's airwing working on the USS SARATOGA flight deck the night of the First Strike against Iraq in 1991. I remember saluting him as a LCDR. I think its cool that he's a Captain now.
FLY NAVY
Lars Farmer
Wichita KS
libertyhound@hotmail.com
Posted by: Lars Farmer at September 09, 2005 12:11 AM (m1Jfn)
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Perhaps we should be asking Saddam himself if we haven't already done so?
Posted by: Macker at September 09, 2005 12:52 PM (2GH66)
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When we captured Saddam; The whereabouts of Captain Speicher was the 2nd question we asked him.
To me if Scott were alive I would not be nearly as shocked as I am to learn that 15 yrs later we are having to (at this late date) "suggest" that our government involve state dept, Iraqi embassy etc. Bremmer should have demanded more on Scott before giving away any power, money and assistance to the (then) newly forming Iraqi
gov't.
Posted by: Liberty at September 09, 2005 03:43 PM (m10mW)
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Why is it: When you do a google search /News/ then type in Scott Speicher.....You get the context abreviated for this article and a few others stating the opposite of the body of the articles and AP report.
"They left out "Board has found NO EVIDENCE THAT...."
so it reads " CPT Scott Speicher is dead....."
They took him off the KIA list and sent all his back pay and current paychecks to his wife....yet since then...over 5,000 days later....this guy just can't get a break; not in DC, and not in the press.
THANKS GOOGLE, HAPPY National P.O.W. Recognition day to you too!
Sept 16. 2005
Posted by: Jeff at September 17, 2005 07:35 AM (WE7En)
Al Qaeda Siezes Town in Iraq
While this is not good news, it is important to realize that the U.S. had been pounding the town off and on for over a week. The town has been the center of fighting between a pro-government Sunni tribe and a tribe that has aligned itself with al Qaeda. No government forces are in the city. With no one apparently in control, al Qaeda has instituted harsh sharia law and is murdering citizens and closing down any business that sells anything that smack of Western culture.
Abu Musab Zarqawi's foreign-led Al Qaeda in Iraq took open control of a key western town at the Syrian border, deploying its guerrilla fighters in the streets and flying Zarqawi's black banner from rooftops, tribal leaders and other residents in the city and surrounding villages said.
A sign newly posted at the entrance of Qaim declared, "Welcome to the Islamic Kingdom of Qaim." A statement posted in mosques described Qaim as an "Islamic kingdom liberated from the occupation."...
Armed insurgent fighters loyal to the Jordanian-born Zarqawi openly traveled Qaim's streets. The fighters included both Iraqis and foreigners, including Afghans The foreign-led fighters hung rooftops with Zarqawi's al-Qaeda banner of black backgrounds with a yellow sun.
Shops selling CDs, a movie theater and a women's beauty parlor were newly burned, apparently targeted by Zarqawi's group under its strict interpretation of Islamic law.
Posted by: DoctorZin at September 05, 2005 10:33 PM (hH3WM)
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You seem like one of the few sites to have picked up on this.
If someone can post above or email me preferably, any links relating to the above Washington Post story that deal with new/more information regarding the situation or with any viedo/internet claims by the AMZ organization that you may come across.
As far as I know the Washington Post is claiming anything, and it is alot for just one article. It seems no other news journalist or sources are putting out cooberating reporting: they are only just resorting to reposting the WP article.
Thanks!
Posted by: PFC Gardner at September 06, 2005 11:36 AM (0hzhL)
Reuters Crew Shot in Baghdad (UPDATED
Here is an update on this incident from a reader:
The cameraman in question was shot by soldiers in my son's unit. First hand reports are that the moron sped into the middle of a firefight, jumped out of his car and threw up to his shoulder a TV or Movie camera with a sound boom and telephoto lens.
It was [understandably considering the circumstances] mistaken for an RPG and the moron quickly became the late moron.
Incidentally, this crew was told beforehand NOT to go into the area of the firefight, as it was entirely too dangerous.
After a post-battle debriefing and investigation, the soldiers were determined to have adhered properly to the rules of engagement, and were found innocent of any wrongdoing.
Actually, the first hand report was: "Some dumb b**tard came up to us in a speeding car, jumped out and pointed his camera at us. We thought it was an RPG and lit him up."
Perhaps Reporters Without Borders should be complaining about Reuters not training their crews to have some common sense instead of seething against the U.S.
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Media as terrorists/terrorists as media; either way, propaganda is propaganda, and the enemy is the enemy. I think a few more dead reporters only makes the world a better place.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 29, 2005 11:06 AM (0yYS2)
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I suppose you have to be sort of brain damaged to not realize that the US fully supports freedom of the press while those fighting against us, do not. Why then, would organizations such as this be doing so much to harm our war efforts?
My guess - Anti-American press sells. Simple as that.
Posted by: Defense Guy at August 29, 2005 11:08 AM (jPCiN)
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al-Rooters terrorist embeds shot? WOW I am shocked.
Posted by: bill at August 29, 2005 11:27 AM (7evkT)
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Silly "pen-is-mightier-than-the-sword" cameraman, a shoulder mounted camera looks an awfull lot like a weapon.
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Apparently this guy was unclear on the meaning of the phrase "In harm's way".
Posted by: Brian B at August 29, 2005 11:43 AM (CouWh)
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what did they want???...a loune chair to sit in the sun so they could work on a tan???....gimme a break...treated like a dog???..i dont know them Muslims well, but i treat my dog very well, feed him twice a day and he gets plenty of exercise out in the sun all day long....poor poor wittle bitty Muslims gotta go oh boohoo!!! woe is us!!!...makes me sick to listen to grown men whine like my 4 year old daughter
Posted by: THANOS35 at August 30, 2005 01:13 AM (hcN1S)
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The cameraman in question was shot by soldiers in my son's unit. First hand reports are that the moron sped into the middle of a firefight, jumped out of his car and threw up to his shoulder a TV or Movie camera with a sound boom and telephoto lens.
It was [understandably considering the circumstances] mistaken for an RPG and the moron quickly became the late moron.
Incidentally, this crew was told beforehand NOT to go into the area of the firefight, as it was entirely too dangerous.
After a post-battle debriefing and investigation, the soldiers were determined to have adhered properly to the rules of engagement, and were found innocent of any wrongdoing.
Actually, the first hand report was: "Some dumb b**tard came up to us in a speeding car, jumped out and pointed his camera at us. We thought it was an RPG and lit him up."
Posted by: Charlie at August 30, 2005 03:22 PM (p5UVE)
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hmmm, sounds like the gene pool got a little deeper! . . .
Posted by: large at August 30, 2005 05:47 PM (Ny1Tj)
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Journalism at it's finest, recklessly risked their lives to get the front page story.
Too bad they went out looking for a story and ended up being ‘the story’.
We really need more bold reporters like these, war sells like hell.
Posted by: Ren at August 30, 2005 06:51 PM (7ZsmI)
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See. They'd be a whole lot safer if they were covering stories on the new school built or the new hospital equipment and neighborhoods getting back to normal with electricity and proper running sewers. But no! Gotta run into the middle of a gun fight, git his ass blown up and then let al-Rueters portray the US as the bad guys AGAIN.
Funny how Austin Bay and guys like him get around fine and have tons of things to report on in the progress being made.
Posted by: Oyster at August 30, 2005 08:43 PM (YudAC)
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Carrying water for the splodeydopes is getting to be a dangerous business. I wonder, can we send Woodward and Bernstein to cover Iraq?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 30, 2005 09:06 PM (0yYS2)
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all forms of media = propaganda = manipulative missinformation that should be forever removed from the face of the earth
According to this brilliant sentence proven by misuse of logic calculations (with which I undeniably mathematically disproved all gods a while ago, except of course the possibility that there's a preprogrammed, leftover of communal evolution alter-ego called god controlling people to make them work better as a group), all forms of media should be removed, and people should live in ignorance.
Posted by: A Finn at August 31, 2005 04:10 AM (cWMi4)
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Thomas Jefferson said that if you read nothing but newspapers, you'd be better off reading nothing at all. It's scary how right he was.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 31, 2005 04:53 PM (0yYS2)
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"I suppose you have to be sort of brain damaged to not realize that the US fully supports freedom of the press while those fighting against us, do not. Why then, would organizations such as this be doing so much to harm our war efforts?"
Not really brain damaged, no. The thought that a dickhead such as yourself has any idea what freedom of the press actually means is genuinely beyond comprehension. One of the Reuters cameramen killed in Iraq was a dear friend of mine. I sincerely hope a friend of yours is killed by a trigger-happy poorly-trained pig-ignorant "soldier" who decided a hotel was a legitimate target for his tank, then maybe you'll begin to appreciate why comments like "hmmm, sounds like the gene pool got a little deeper" just make people hate americans all the more.
Posted by: Dave at September 07, 2005 08:19 AM (r0dNS)
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Hey Dave,
Maybe your dear friend should have realized that when you drive to an attack that you take your life at risk....particularily when you've been advised of an attack on Coalition Forces. By the way the soldiers were not pig ignorant by any means. They responded within the rules of engagement and if Reuters will never learn that the conic shaped microphones on their cameras look like RPG warheads, then I guess that they should be prepared to keep open vacancies because apparently they did not learn after Mazen Dana.
Posted by: Dickhead US Soldier at September 23, 2005 10:12 PM (6krEN)
Good News from Iraq
Chrenkoff posting here and here. Since my site is usually devoted to bad news, it might do your soul some good to go read all the good things that aren't being reported in Iraq.
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Off topic and you have my apologies for it.
Where's the United Nations and the rest of the world right now?
You know, the same people who referred to the US as "stingy."
Just asking.
Posted by: elliott at August 30, 2005 02:18 PM (XlQVK)
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Thinking of those "news" as uncreditable personal experiences not reflectable to common behaviour methods of {enter random Usa part}.
Posted by: A Finn at August 31, 2005 04:14 AM (cWMi4)
Answering Questions About Iraq
John Hawkins is in classic form as he attempts to answer 10 FAQs about Iraq. The questions are:
1) Some people are saying that Iraq's Constitution will lead to a theocracy.
Is that true?
2) Well, if it's a pretty good Constitution, why aren't the Sunnis on board?
3) So, since the Sunnis oppose the Constitution, does that mean it will be
voted down in October?
4) What happens if the Constitution is rejected by the Iraqi people in
October?
5) Would it be a significant setback for the US if the Constitution were
rejected by the Iraqis?
6) What is "victory" in Iraq?
7) Do US forces have to destroy the insurgency to win?
8) Well, why aren't all these troops trained already? What's the hold up?
9) Ok, so the Iraqis are making progress. What does that mean for our
troops? When can they start to come home?
10) That sounds good in theory, but can our military hold up under the
pressure? Are we wrecking the military by keeping them in Iraq under the
current circumstances?
Terrorists Murder 15 Civilians in Iraq
Al Jazeera has enough chutzpah to call the men who executed 15 civilians 'fighters'. Unfortunately I don't have enough chutzpah to call al Jazeera a news organization. Instead, I'll settle for propaganda arm of murdering terrorists.
Cindy Sheehan's freedom fighters at it again.......
Fighters have executed 15 Iraqis after ambushing their vehicle on a road north of the city of Falluja, police said.
The armed men ordered the passengers out of the vehicle and lined them up before shooting them in daylight on Sunday afternoon, police on Monday quoted witnesses as saying.
They did not specify whether the victims were civilians or off-duty security personnel but said they were believed to be from the neighbouring town of Saqlawiyah, in the Sunni Triangle.
Pools of blood covered the scene of the attack on the desert road, next to empty cases of pistol and AK-47 machine gun bullets, suggesting that the victims were shot from close range, an AFP correspondent reported.
The road was blocked for nearly 10 hours until tribesmen from the neighbouring Sunni town of Ramadi removed the bodies, police added.
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But its George Bush's fault! They just wanted to to be free of civilians occupying their country.
/sarcasm
Posted by: Oyster at August 29, 2005 03:59 PM (fl6E1)
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oh such brave lions of Allah!!!!...shooting UNARMED people...how brave.....how mighty you all are, you islamic warriors....with youre spines of jellow i still wonder how they can even walk upright like the rest of humanity
Posted by: THANOS35 at August 30, 2005 12:26 AM (hcN1S)
Sunnis May Back Constitution
Amid all the pessimism over the Iraqi Constitution, it looks like one of the largest Sunni parties may support it in the end. Let's hope they do.
I have been arguing to my students lately that the forces lined up for and against the Iraqi Constitution are engaged in a struggle over symbolic politics. Sunnis object to the Constitution not on its merits, but because it symbolizes Iraq's defeat. The Constitution legitmizes the U.S. occupation and thus must be opposed, in their eyes. The details of federalism really don't matter.
Thankfully, symbolic politics only have subjective meanings. The same Sunnis who choose today to see the Constitution as a symbol of defeat and Arab subjegation to some Neocon-Zionst plot, may be able to view that same document in the future as a triumph of democracy over the Arab socialist fascism of the Saddam Hussein regime.
One of Iraq's biggest Sunni parties has said it might back the country's constitution, despite calling for changes to a text agreed by the Shia-dominated parliament.
The Iraqi Islamic Party, a multi-ethnic group seen as moderate Islamist and opposed to violence, said on Monday that there was still room for negotiation on the constitution.
"We have not signed the constitution and we still have the time starting from now until the referendum comes.
"[But]we might say yes to the constitution if the disputed points are resolved," party general-secretary Tariq al-Hashmi told a news conference....
Earlier, hundreds of people marched in the city of Tikrit to protest against the constitution, witnesses said.
They carried photographs of the former president Hussein and held up banners saying "No to the Zionist-American-Iranian constitution". Some Iraqis say the Shia-led government is too close to Iran.
Posted by: NewsFaerie at August 29, 2005 12:56 PM (LZpYO)
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Yeah, but I support that fatwa. Soccer is sooo gay.......
Posted by: Rusty at August 29, 2005 12:58 PM (JQjhA)
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They've also issued a fatwa against yoga. Surprised? I didn't think so.
I did a Google news search for this story and there are only three results, all military publications. Hello, NY Times? Are yout here? LA Times? Washington Post? Hello? Anybody there? AP? al-Reuters?
[crickets]
Posted by: Oyster at August 29, 2005 01:14 PM (fl6E1)
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These jihadiots will never get it. People quickly figure out that when Free World forces are in control, it's safe to go outside and people can live a normal life, but when the jihadiots are in control, terror and oppression rule. Radical Islam is its own worst enemy, because it is nothing but a nihilistic cult of death and destruction.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 29, 2005 01:30 PM (0yYS2)
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Yah, I could see how all of those homosexual muslim men(who don't like to eat and stuff with women in public... ewww!) wouldn't want to see all those tight-bodied, verile young men in shorts. Once again, you are right, Dr. S.
Posted by: NewsFaerie at August 29, 2005 01:42 PM (LZpYO)
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my brother in law would have words with you on that Rusty....with me as well....cant stand soccer...i agree with George Carlin on this...a sport is only a sport if you can use youre hands...soccer, nope...only youre feet or youre head...scuse me, but aint that the last thing you want to be banging against something moving fast, youre SKULL???...anyways...notice how they had to hide from local Iraqis???...they know they are on borrowed time, that if the local Iraqis get them they wont be treated so nice, like the American soldiers do....no quick death there, maybe have their feet put in a fire to get some info out of them, thats what the locals would do
Posted by: THANOS35 at August 30, 2005 12:56 AM (hcN1S)
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It is people like you that will bring terrorism and destruction to our country.
Because of your extremism, the entire world hates us.
Because of your arrogance, the world has turned against us.
Because of your ignorance, many lives on innocent men and women and children will be lost, by our own troops and with our own arms.
Because of your intolerance, it's hard for us to exist with any human beings on any continent there exists.
Because of your stupidity and hate teachings, you shall reap what you sow.
So go reap your sowyal...
Shalom, you terrorists!!!
Posted by: Carter at August 30, 2005 06:44 PM (dbzU7)
We Killed Fiddy al Qaeda
Are our soldiers as good as Cotton Hill claims? Apparently, yes. Fifty al Qaeda killed in single raid. AP:
U.S. warplanes launched multiple airstrikes Friday against a suspected "terrorist safe house" in the western Anbar province, destroying the building where up to 50 militants were believed to be hiding, the U.S. military said.
Coalition ground forces were alerted by local residents that a number of members of the terror group Al-Qaida in Iraq had gathered in an abandoned building northeast of Husaybah, near the Syrian border about 200 miles west of Baghdad.
Let's hope that bitch Zarqawi was among them. Hat tip to Chad Evans who notes that this is the second time this week that tips from locals have led to al Qaeda arrests/killings.
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But but but they're freeeeedom fighters! They enjoy the support of the peeeeepul! Blessed Mother Sheehan said so! The peeeeepul wouldn't inform on them! This must be chimpymchitlerbushburton propaganda! The JOOOOOOOOooooOOOOoooooOOOOOOooooooozzzzz are behind it all!!!
YEEEEAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH!!!
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 26, 2005 04:05 PM (0yYS2)
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What's the over/under on the number of Iraqis in that house?
I say 15
Posted by: CUS at August 26, 2005 04:10 PM (bbXZq)
3Coalition ground forces were alerted by local residents
Posted by: Brian B at August 26, 2005 04:20 PM (CouWh)
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That is fifty terrorists that we do not have to explain why they are being detained.
At what point will the ACLU figure this out and demand that they first have a trial before any bombs are dropped on them. I would think that the activites of the ACLU and others will shift military action from raiding the house and taking prisoners to just sending them back to allah and checking the ashes to see whats left on their hard drive.
Posted by: Fred Fry at August 26, 2005 04:27 PM (RPY7Q)
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Bout time we act on information instead of procrastinating
and saying geez do you think we should get the people from moveon.org's OK. Or Maybe Cindy Sheehan and her followers should be asked iif it were OK.
I say when in doubt shoot them OUT!!
Posted by: Fry Daddy at August 26, 2005 04:34 PM (MElsG)
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I know I used to be a dumb "Grunt" but where did it say we killed *any* of the SOBs? I want to believe we have started killin them. Please help me, tell me which sentence said we killed any of the alien terrorists.
an old exJarhead
Posted by: Rod Stanton at August 26, 2005 06:14 PM (03F0I)
Posted by: Ariya at August 26, 2005 07:19 PM (noCGr)
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lemme do a little imatation of Agammenon from the movie Troy with a little change in the words...."LET THEM BURN!!!!...LET THE TERRORISTS BURN!!!!"...nothing like some crispy critters
Posted by: THANOS35 at August 26, 2005 11:01 PM (hcN1S)
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Yeah, everyone takes RPG's to weddings, don't they?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 26, 2005 11:01 PM (0yYS2)
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Wait! I thought Zarqawi was already dead? Or has he come back to life again?
Posted by: Oyster at August 27, 2005 08:38 AM (YudAC)
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What a disgrace. 50 of 'em and not one killed. No wonder we have been losing the last 7 months. Terrible.
Posted by: Jo macDougal at August 27, 2005 04:12 PM (LbyCD)
Posted by: greyrooster at August 27, 2005 10:42 PM (CBNGy)
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50? That's nothin. Wait until the US backs off and the Kurds get their revenge (which you'll notice they've been warming up for).
Poor Sunni. Someone told them they'd have an advantage if they refused to participate in forming a representative government and just kept on killing Kurds and Shiites.
Maybe they'll start to figure out that their Syrian "friends" are more trouble for THEM than for the US. Not just the Kurds, but even Al-Sistani won't be able to hold back the Shiites forever from striking back.
The nerve of the US: trying to facilitate a representative government where the minority is protected. Oh well.
Too bad Bush didn't tell everyone to think carefully about who they sign on with. Oh wait, DID he?
Posted by: yoda at August 28, 2005 11:31 AM (6krEN)
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According to ding dong ding bat CINDY SHEEHAN these persons are freedom fighters now she is claiming to be in contact with her son in heaven i mean if she ever linked up with MICHEAL MOORE you would have DING BAT and MEAT HEAD
Posted by: sandpiper at August 28, 2005 02:07 PM (S97cI)
Another al Qaeda Terrorist Captured in Iraq
As I've said a million times before, regardless of the reasons we went into Iraq, we are now fighting al Qaeda there. CENTCOM:
Coalition forces captured a known Al Qaeda-in-Iraq member, two suspected terrorists and destroyed a terrorist sanctuary, weapons and equipment near Al Asad Aug. 23.
Acting on tips from local Iraqis, Coalition forces raided the hide-out and confirmed that the location was being used by the terrorist to facilitate weapons and vehicle borne improvised explosive device (VBIED) operations.
After he was captured, the Al Qaeda-in-Iraq member provided information about related terrorist activity in the area. Based upon this information, Coalition forces captured two suspected terrorists. Coalition forces also captured and destroyed a VBIED and two weapons caches consisting of mortars, rockets and rocket propelled grenades.
And to my friend at Centcom--this is the kind of story we like to read.
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Well, Peter, we always have you to keep us in line. Gosh, thanx so much.
Posted by: Oyster at August 25, 2005 05:08 PM (YudAC)
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"prof. Peter Von Nostrand" has appeared on many of milblog sites always spouting his "risk losing" strategies... i.e. he couldn't even win a effin game of Risk with his limp wristed sh*tty ideas.
I think he is just a plant and no sane person will give any credence to his ill conceived "objections".
Posted by: Constantine at August 25, 2005 05:27 PM (Kk4wv)
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I posted about this on Wednesday, that's how far ahead of the curve I am. But seriously, sorry about the double-tap on the protestor story, though I think it was worth repeating.
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My favorite line in the whole article? Acting on tips from local Iraqis....
Posted by: Brian B at August 26, 2005 08:11 AM (CouWh)
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Prof Peter,
Say isn't that synonommous with Professional Dick?
What a tires and BS line. No moderate has been converted into a terrorist by anything the US has done in Iraq. The worst weve done is we've gotten the loud talkers to actually shut their mouths and go blow themselves up. Not a huge loss in my tally.
But even accepting the nonsensical argument. IT is the same as the Civil Rights marches in the South were a bad idea because for every racist confronted three more were created.
Anybody knows, you don't cure an infection by ignoring it.
Posted by: TSgt Cismar at August 26, 2005 05:28 PM (yuxaa)
Michael Yon's Latest
Some relevant pragmatic wisdom from Michael Yon's latest dispatch, Gates of Fire:
Although the situation in Mosul is better, our troops still fight here every day. This may not be the war some folks had in mind a few years ago. But once the shooting starts, a plan is just a guess in a party dress.
UPDATE from Rusty. You MUST read this:
Prosser had beaten the terrorist in the head three times with his fist and was gripping his throat, choking him. But Prosser's gloves were slippery with blood so he couldn't hold on well. At the same time, the terrorist was trying to bite Prosser's wrist, but instead he bit onto the face of Prosser's watch. (Prosser wears his watch with the face turned inward.) The terrorist had a mouthful of watch but he somehow also managed to punch Prosser in the face. When I shot the propane canister, Prosser had nearly strangled the guy, but my shots made Prosser think bad guys were coming, so he released the terrorist's throat and snatched out the pistol from his holster, just as SSG Konkol, Lewis, Devereaux and Muse swarmed the shop. But the shots and the propane fiasco also had brought the terrorist back to life, so Prosser quickly reholstered his pistol and subdued him by smashing his face into the concrete.
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Hollywood would do well if they took Mr. Yon's intense stories and made a fact based movie out of them. I have found that everytime I start reading him, I cannot stop until I finish the whole thing. I almost feel I am there. Most Excellent Writing!
Posted by: Fersboo at August 25, 2005 03:43 PM (x0fj6)
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Uh, aren't attack tanks supposed to have tracks on them?
8D
(I think the Sarge is going to have a little discussion on the effectiveness of sitting on ones ass vs getting up and doing.)
Posted by: Phillep at August 26, 2005 01:50 AM (zNjIG)
Brushstrokes in Mosul
Rusty wrote about something I neglected, because I wasn't sure how to frame the issue. I considered posting something using precisely the same quote from Michael Yon that Dr. Shackleford used here. While folks like Chuck Hagel suggest we're losing in Iraq, based on the train wreck of incompetent reporting and distorted information provided by MSM, genuinely astonishing things are happening that point to precisely the opposite conclusion. Does anyone understand how difficult a global war against stateless totalitarianism actually is? And does anyone appreciate the almost-miraculous fact that we're not just holding our own, but beating them at their own game one small victory at a time?
more...
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Are you sure that's Picasso? Never ever ever seen it before, and it says "MOLIC" or something in the bottom... Anyways, look at it and start blur-zooming, at least I got some figures and images to emerge from it.
Posted by: A Finn at August 22, 2005 03:05 AM (cWMi4)
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You guys are impressively preceptive. Truth is, I couldn't find an online image of Woman With Guitar, and I'm not sure I can even remember which of the paintings with that name that I actually saw. This is definitely more abstract than the one at San Simeon, but figured it was at least subtitled "Woman With Guitar."
There are a lot of paintings attributed to Picasso that he didn't actually paint. In order to support the local artists, and because he had a "flood the zone" marketing strategy for his work, he'd often sign paintings produced in his style by other artists as long as they were good.
I'll see if I can find an image of the painting I actually saw.
Posted by: Demosophist at August 22, 2005 10:19 AM (Pyv9s)
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OK, I finally found an image of the correct painting, which was done in 1913. It makes the point even more starkly that Ma Jolie since the macro image is even flatter. A print conveys almost nothing of the power of the original. I suppose one could argue that I was just "seeing things" that weren't actually there, but I don't think so. I think the apocalyptic vision was quite intentional on his part. I mean, consider when it was painted.
Posted by: Demosophist at August 22, 2005 10:47 AM (A3C+f)
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straight from somone who knows better than the leftist, defeatist MSM what is REALLY at stake in Iraq...the lives of millions of people, but to the left, these people, since they are not us, they do not deserve our efforts to help them to a better life...its always the same with the left...its all "ME,ME,ME" first and everyone else last
Posted by: THANOS35 at August 16, 2005 10:34 PM (IJ51c)
I hate to say this, but I think Mohammed takes Cindy Sheeham way too seriously. Personally, however, I'm grateful for his message. I just think it's wasted on her.
Posted by: Demosophist at August 17, 2005 12:28 AM (zzime)
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Sure he takes her seriously. He's having trouble understanding the American left. I'll bet he never imagined them to be so many. The Iraqis, like every closed society, who want freedom imagine every American to be supportive of their wish for freedom.
Posted by: Oyster at August 17, 2005 05:15 AM (YudAC)
Violence Is Relative
Donald Sensing, on Winds of Change points to the implications of some counterintuitive (for idiotarians at least) statistics documented by Strategy Page. Turns out the annual death rate in Iraq, so far in 2005, is less than half what it was under Saddam Hussein. It has dropped from over 100 deaths per 100K (not counting those who died in the Iran/Iraq war) to about 45. This is also lower than the death rate in South Africa, the only African country that keeps good statistics on the figure, and probably far less than some place like Darfur, which doesn't even figure on the idiotarian radar.
So next time someone brings up "the terrible cost of the war for Iraqis" you can say that the coalition not only brought democracy to the country, but cut the death rate in half!
Posted by: Brian B at August 15, 2005 12:39 PM (CouWh)
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Just checked the CIA fact book and they have some different figures. These figures are very interesting on their own though.
Death Rate
Iraq 5.49/1000 (2005 est.)
United States 8.25/1000 (2005 est.)
United Kingdom 10.18/1000 (2005est.)
Not sure which report to believe, although I'm inclined to trust CIA's numbers more, but it looks definitely looks Iraq is the place to be if you don't want to die.
Posted by: Brass at August 15, 2005 04:19 PM (6TLEO)
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of course the MSM and the other leftist talking heads dont even mention that...oh noooooooooooo, its going well in Iraq, we musnt let the American public know about this, we can only tell them all the bad stuff
Posted by: THANOS35 at August 15, 2005 04:54 PM (IJ51c)
Now, the following letter is from Sgt. Michael O'Rourke. It was forwarded to me by Tom Fecher and Kyle Smithson. Please read the letter in its entirety as it is powerfully written and gives a vivid picture of what our troops must endure. It also gives us an opportunity to see into the heart of a soldier.
Sgt. O'Rourke: Thank you for allowing me to post your letter. Thank you for your service. Please know that I and countless others support you and your mission. Please be careful and come home safely.
It's been a time since I last wrote any account of my pleasant adventures here in Iraq. Naturally I'd like to write more oft, but slow computers and little time obviates that endeavor. Just so, I still manage to punch out a few words every now and then, as the following lines will testify:
Award: Most Accurate Encapsulated Description of the War in IraqBy Demosophist
To The Michael Yon [Not Wretchard. Sheesh one would think you guys would've saved me some embarrassment by cluing me in to the mistake. At least I had the link right.]:
The enemy in Iraq does not appear to be weakening; if anything, they are becoming smarter, more complicated and deadlier. But this does not mean they are winning; to imply that getting smarter and deadlier equates to winning, is fallacious. Most accounts of the situation in Iraq focus on enemy "successes" (if success is re-defined as annihiliation of civility), while redacting the increasing viability and strength of the Iraqi government, which clearly is outpacing the insurgency.
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hey, the German soldiers fighting for Hitler and the Nazi regime during WWII became more deadly in defence as the war turned against them....the Germans were fanatics in defence, ask any American or Russian veteran how inventive and hard to do=ig out those German soldiers where...during the last two years or so,look at all the deadly weapons the Germans came up with to slow down and try and defeat the Allied advances.....during the Battle for Berlin, the Russians suffered half and million casualties due to the fanatic and desperate German last ditch defence...they knew they had lost but they fought to the bitter end...thats how these Islamicfascists will fight even though they know in their hearts that the end for them is coming...its to be expected.....most armies/soldiers{excpet the French of course} will fight like cornered, wounded animals and those are most dangerous but you know they will soon expend what little strenght they have left in one last flury of energy
Posted by: THANOS35 at July 26, 2005 10:27 PM (9gFP6)
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To hell with that place and their oil, we can make our own biodiesel and get our money and troops back from the sand!!!!
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 26, 2005 10:41 PM (ScqM8)
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To hell with that place and their oil, we can make our own biodiesel and get our money and troops back from the sand!!!!
I don't suppose it would do any good to point out that oil is only one small part of what's going on, or that such simple-minded reductionism is the very essence of idiotarianism? Try looking at a map.
Posted by: Demosophist at July 27, 2005 12:54 PM (IbWE6)
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I disagree. The fact that they are attacking their own kind shows their frustation. Now they just target anyone. I believe terrorism has become a way of life for many muslims. It's employment. They receive applause from religious fanatics, aid and comfort from liveral cowards and money from those playing both sides. Free weapons, free room and board, all expenses paid. Now that they are deduced to killing other muslims its a job. They really don't know how to end what they started in the name of religion. Once terrorism starts its hard to end. The participants cannot stop because they (justly) carry a death sentence over their heads for the crimes they have committed. So they must continue on. Soon the main populance will turn against them with fervor. How can a citizen of any country forgive them for blowing up his children? Good will win. It just takes time.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 28, 2005 04:41 AM (CBNGy)
Baghdad Bomber Kills 24 Children
(Baghdad, Iraq) What sort of God would sanction the mass killing of children? Just like Beslan last year, the terrorists, militants, insurgents, jihadists, or whatever you want to call them have once again proven that they are nothing but child murderers. They are despicable human scum.
Twenty-four Iraqi children and one US soldier have been killed in a suicide car bomb attack in south-eastern Baghdad.
US forces say 18 more children were wounded, along with two US soldiers.
"A driver approached one of the US Humvees and then detonated his car," Sergeant David Abrams said.
"One US soldier was killed and two wounded," he said.
One eyewitness, Mohammed Ali Hamza, says US forces turned up in the Al-Jedidah district to warn residents to stay indoors because of reports of a car bomb in the area.
"Children gathered round the Americans who were handing out sweets. Suddenly a suicide car bomber drove round from a side street and blew himself up," he said.
Bastards!
Overwhelming evidence indicates that the Muslim religion has been hijacked by a cult of thugs who intentionally kill innocent civilians, many of them women and children. This fact alone should be enough to shake the typical believer's faith.
Terrorists are criminals, plain and simple, waging a war against civilization and humanity. They have no loyalties save deathly violence. The grievances espoused by the terrorists are a mix of pick-any-card complaints that are impossible to satisfy because their real objective is the annihilation of all populations who are not subservient and enslaved to their death-mongering. Terrorists cannot be appeased, nor can they be satisfied. They will continue killing indiscriminately until they are exterminated.
True followers of the Muslim faith need to wake up and not take it anymore. They and their children are being murdered by fanatics.
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Can you imagine that car bomber, after a long waiting period he is finally given the opportunity to see his beloved god. He is ready and he is happy! Finally be able see his heaven and his promised 7 virgin’s (sick pedophile) Driving his car, maybe chained to the wheel so that he can’t change his mind by jumping out. Sees his target, sees the children, but this is the moment he has been waiting for!
One US soldier dead plus 24 children. Bravo!
He will probably ask Allah for forgiveness of the poor girls!
May Allah send him to Hell instead!
Posted by: Dan Engels at July 13, 2005 07:28 AM (lSkty)
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Bush and Blair's Coalition of the Killing stir up the cursed qaedas over and over, stoking and stoking until the mix is burning hot and then blammo - they strike. B&B always talk of freedom yet ignore what drives such people to kill.
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 13, 2005 08:36 AM (ScqM8)
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The worst quality of a leftist is the total abandonment of personal responsibility.
What in the world could possibly drive someone to kill 24 innocent children?
You blame Bush and Blair? I don’t and I suspect an increasing number of Iraqis will not either. They will see these killers for what they are. Not the product of foreign policy, but cold-blooded killers who took 24 lives for no good reason.
As long as these killers can walk into train stations, busses, playgrounds and kill scores of people and have apologists like you, they will continue to do it. DSM your cause is shit and you carry the banner high.
Every time one of these guys does this type of thing, we should pull out our troops, and drop a daisy cutter bomb right in the middle of town. Eventually, one way or another, it will stop. Nuke mecca. It won't get any better. No religion advocates killing all those who will not submit except one..........
Posted by: Carlos at July 13, 2005 08:55 AM (8e/V4)
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We already know "what drives such people to kill". A sick ideology and sick people who want to dominate everything from the way we dress to the way way we wipe our asses. They told us so. No one's ignoring it except you and your ilk. Say what you really mean, DSM. That you think we should accept it and submit. But please, take note of the freedom you enjoy in expressing your screed just before you acquiesce.
Posted by: Oyster at July 13, 2005 09:18 AM (fl6E1)
a jihadi told me they are driven to terrorism by a desire to fuck white Liberal weenies in the ass. Go ahead, give him what he wants.
Posted by: Carlos at July 13, 2005 09:24 AM (8e/V4)
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DSM. Muslim POS's have been blowing up innocent people for a long friggin time. Why do you insist on believing this is a recent phenomenon. To quote Red Foreman (PBUH) YOU'RE A DUMBASS!!!
Please don't insult those with Downs by comparing them to DSM.
Posted by: Editor at July 13, 2005 10:05 AM (adpJH)
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any bets on this type of headline appearing in Al-Jazeera
US Soldiers Create Human Shields
Hand Out Sweets to Attract Children
In response to a credible intelligence threat regarding a planned car bomb, United States soldiers gathered around them swarms of small children as the soldiers began investigating the threat.
Military analysts consulted by Al-Jazeera believe that the practice of attracting crowds of children is designed to protect the legs, feet, and genital region of the American soldiers which are not as heavily protected as the torso. "The Bush administration finds it easier and cheaper to equip its soldiers with bags of candy than with adequate body armor" said an Iraqi policeman, who wished to remain anonymous.
Tragically, the informati....
et cetera.
Posted by: BumperStickerist at July 13, 2005 10:28 AM (DHSXc)
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Bumper, I hope you're just being an ass. If you believe that shit, you need to report for mandatory sterilization.
You should read bumpers post again. He is stating what the typical al Jazeera article might say about this.
There was another bombing in Israel that has again been mostly ignored. I guess dead Jews just don't factor into the equation.
Posted by: Defense Guy at July 13, 2005 10:45 AM (jPCiN)
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How brave of that "warrior of allah", and yes, I believe Micheal Moore is proud.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 13, 2005 10:53 AM (0yYS2)
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Whoops. Please accept my apologies, Bumper. I'm a dumbass.
Posted by: REMF at July 13, 2005 11:06 AM (aLiCo)
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And not one Muslim country condems the attack on these kids.
Each and everyone of these animal bastards should be given a pigs blood bath before we have a Rabbi cut their throat.
Posted by: Filthy Allah at July 13, 2005 11:43 AM (yBHNA)
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Yeah, killing kids has a lot to do with B & B. After all, why didn't those children protest the American and British presence in Iraq? /
DSM you are a fool. These animals declared war on us decades ago. They will not stop killing innocents until we wipe them off the face of the earth.
Their cult calls for the complete domination of all non-believers. That includes you, your mom, your pals down at the neighborhood pub, etc.
Get with the program, educate yourself and join the fight to save western civilization.
Posted by: Airdale at July 13, 2005 05:36 PM (WOQ34)
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As usual Downing Street Moron to the rescue of the terrorist shit eating child killers.
Soon asshole soon.
Posted by: greyrooster at July 13, 2005 10:51 PM (CBNGy)
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Screw your death threats rooster, go to Iraq and join the mercs!
Posted by: Downing Street Memo at July 14, 2005 09:12 AM (ScqM8)
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Rooster isn't making death threats to you. Not Rooster. So, you're from where again, boy? New York is it? Is that right boy?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 14, 2005 11:43 AM (0yYS2)
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I think people miss the bigger picture in all this. It just proves that this is not an attack on what americans do, this is an attack of desperation. These attacks continue, but not against the people that they despise, but against the men and women they are "Liberating". I find it amazing that they can feel they need to push us out of the country, by killing their own brethren.
And please everyone, try to remember the majority of Muslims, even from the middle east, Are not fringe terrorists, and would never take this kind of action for any reason.. Esspecially you REMF, you rear echelon moth...
Posted by: No longer a REMF at July 23, 2005 08:07 AM (aM7R+)