1 Sweet! Very comforting! Soothing! The naked truth in a nutshell! Needs no interpretation! Can I get a subscription?

2 Too bad Israel got thrown out in the 80s just as the U.S got thrown out of Lebanon and Israel has already faced 3 defeats trying to enter Lebanon, funny.

Pretty soon they'll have to turn all of Haifa and Jerusalem into a bomb shelter.

3 The US didn't get thrown out of Lebanon! If Israel wanted to enter Lebanon, I don't think they would have a problem. As a matter of fact, I think they're doing this as I type!

4 Egyptian army general weighs in:

"This idiot Nasrallah. He is so funny. He keeps on issuing threats, he has no idea what he is talking about. What Israel is doing to him now is just gentle padding on the shoulders. Abou Shakha dah didn't see what we saw. Israel fought on 3 fronts in 1967 and it was hell. I was there, I saw it all. He has no tanks, no boats, he has nothing except a few toys he got from Iran and it seems abu shakha dah don't know that Israel confronted 3 of the most powerful armies in the region at the same time. If Israel wanted to brutally crush him it can do so in 1 hour."

*Abu Shakha dah literally means "this guy with the piss". We use this slang term to refer to a grown up whose capabilities is of a baby who wets himself.

http://www.bigpharaoh.com/2006/07/14/dad-weighs-in/

5 There's an alarming report at  www.homelandsecurityus.com
about an Iranian submarine being nearby when the Israeli Navy ship was hit by a cruise missile about a week ago.  This thing could escalate quickly.

6 I highly doubt that there was an Iranian sub when the cruise missile hit the Israeli corvette. There are so many warships out in the Persian Gulf and Arabian Sea. They would easily detect a Kilo-class sub.

Is the footage being taken from an attack helicopter or a UAV or what? Israel has amazing pilots. Second best in the world behind Pakistan. Yes, Pakistan. I can give evidence if anyone wants some.

7 No, not Pakistan.

8 "The CBN report stated that a US Air Force RC-135V/W 'Rivet Joint' reconnaissance aircraft detected the Iranian submarine...."

9 Needs a soundtrack. Ride of the Valkyries.
 
Hop to ie, Vinnie, you're being useful for once.

10 Also, I don't speak any of the crazy-ass scribble languages that they alledgedly speak over there, what does "Am Yisrael Chai" mean? "I am a tasty Israeli drink"?

11 Some Dick - please provide "evidence". I need a good laugh today.

12 Want your evidence? In 1967, Pakistan sent a contingent of pilots to Syria, Egypt, and Jordan to fight the Israelis in the Arab-Israeli war. There were 5 confirmed kills made by the PAF pilots without losing a single aircraft. You can confirm this at www.acig.org.

Here's an interesting article:
In 1977, the PAF had a rare opportunity to demonstrate its marksmanship prowess in a competitive encounter with another air force. Group Captain Safdar who was then commanding No 23 Squadron narrates the story:

"While visiting our base Masroor in September 77, the CAS mentioned that during his recent visit to Iran, the Shah had inquired whether the PAF would be interested in hosting an armament competition with an Iranian Air Force fighter squadron. The CAS asked me if I would take on the Iranian squadron. Needless to say I was excited by the prospect. As a side issue the CAS promised a reward of Rs. 10,000/- to 23 Squadron if we won, and God help us if we lost!

"He instructed the ACAS (Ops) to extend all possible facilities to us in preparing an 8-member team which comprised myself, Squadron Leaders Javed Latif, Javed Qazi, Tahir Hussain, Imtiaz and Shams, and Flight Lieutenants Farhad and Khalid. Every F-6 Squadron was asked to lend 2 aircraft to 23 Squadron for the exercise and very soon we had nearly 30 F-6s at our disposal. I allotted two aeroplanes to each team member and instructed them to harmonize their aircraft themselves. Somiani range was reserved for us and each pilot was scheduled to fly two ground attack and two air-to-air missions per day. Within a month our performance improved significantly and we began to average 90% scores in strafing and over 50% direct hits in rocketry. Our air combat scores also improved proportionately.

"In October the Iranians flew into Masroor with their beautiful F-5Es. Compared to the F-6 the Northrop F-5E was a pretty sight, and incorporated the latest American technology of that time. I could sense that my pilots were a little apprehensive, but their urge to 'have a go' was stronger. The competition started and I led the first ground attack mission, followed by one of the Iranians; and thus we alternated through all the events. When final scores were declared we were delighted, for we had beaten the Iranians hands down both in air combat and ground attack.

"The next day we received a signal from the CAS congratulating the squadron and saying that we could collect Rs.10,000/- from the base accounts officer. But the base commander told me that since the competition had been a collective effort, the money would be claimed by the base. I was quite disappointed, as I had been planning to purchase some new furniture and rugs for the squadron for our forthcoming move to Samungli. I mentioned this to the ADC to the CAS, and told him what my base commander had said. Next day the accounts officer came and handed over Rs. 10,000/- to our squadron adjutant!"

13 Here is my evidence douchebag.

Exercise Anatolian Eagle - 2006

They were a complete fucking joke!

Much like your worthless articles...

14 Damn man, you were there?! From what I heard many people were commenting on how well the Pakistani pilots did considering how old their F-16s were. Even General Chuck Horner has said they have some of the best pilots in the world. But it might possibly be because of their old F-16s. The PAF doesn't have any BVR capability yet. But that will end soon. Next year the PAF will get the new Chinese SD-10 on their JF-17s. Not to mention the AMRAAMs that will be coming on the new F-16s and Pakistan has placed an order for 32 J-10s.

15 Was there in 2001, 2004 and this year, as well as past Red Flag, Maple Flag, Spring Flag/VOLCANEX and Cooperative Cope Thunder.

PAF is perhaps a top 15 in the world - not even close to the second best. I would have no problem putting the USAF/USN best up against the IAF's best any day of the week.

16 Well, AWACS is coming soon, the deal was inked with SAAB in October for 4 EIRYE radars or whatever they're called which will be fitted on the SAAB 2000. BVR is coming soon too. But I don't understand why it's going to take 9 years for the PAF to get all 36 F-16s. What do you do for the USAF?

17 The Ericsson Microwave Systems airborne radar system ERIEYE sale became effective late June I believe.

I'm retired USN (6 years as a Corpsman - 16 yrs NFO). I consult for a defense contractor in Richardson, TX now.

18 Someone on the Pakistani Defense Forum said this:

There was one training exersize, early 2005, between US Marines F-18, USAF F-15, US Navy F-14, USAF F-16, and PAF F-16. I was then in Lake Charles, Louisiana. It orginated in Atlanta (that's where the pilots gathered), and ended in Atlanta.

One of the PAF pilots was a cousin of a friend, and I had the opportunity to meet him later at a casual dinner in Houston. He informed us that firstly PAF Pilots were chaperoned by 100% armed US jets (post 911 Scenario), and performance anxiety played a heavy toll on them. Inspite of all the psychological pressure, amongst all of them, PAF pilots came out 2nd, by a very thin margin, and it was a totally biased judgement that they were ruled as second best.


If a lot of guys start coming, don't blame me. I just posted the link so they could take a look

19 We are the BEST!!!!!!

Squadron Leader Amjad Javed will vouch for this too.

20 "We are the BEST!!!!!!

Squadron Leader Amjad Javed will vouch for this too."

Yes and if Sqn Ldr Amjad is not available then please contact Flt Lt Nachiketa or Sqn Ldr Ahuja of the IAF....oh my bad...Pakistanis shot Ahuja's ass out of the skies..so kindly contact Mr. Nachiketa and he too will vouch for the Pakistanis prowess!

21 "We are the BEST!!!!!!

Squadron Leader Amjad Javed will vouch for this too."

Yes and if Sqn Ldr Amjad is not available then please contact Flt Lt Nachiketa or Sqn Ldr Ahuja of the IAF....oh my bad...Pakistanis shot Ahuja's ass out of the skies..so kindly contact Mr. Nachiketa and he too will vouch for the Pakistanis prowess!

22 "We are the BEST!!!!!!

Squadron Leader Amjad Javed will vouch for this too."

Yes and if Sqn Ldr Amjad is not available then please contact Flt Lt Nachiketa or Sqn Ldr Ahuja of the IAF....oh my bad...Pakistanis shot Ahuja's ass out of the skies..so kindly contact Mr. Nachiketa and he too will vouch for the Pakistanis prowess!

23 "We are the BEST!!!!!!

Squadron Leader Amjad Javed will vouch for this too."

Yes and if Sqn Ldr Amjad is not available then please contact Flt Lt Nachiketa or Sqn Ldr Ahuja of the IAF....oh my bad...Pakistanis shot Ahuja's ass out of the skies..so kindly contact Mr. Nachiketa and he too will vouch for the Pakistanis prowess!