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November 14, 2006

Mass Kidnapping in Iraq

I fear this will not end well. If history is any guide, this will turn out to be the work of Sunni terrorists who consider all who work for the Iraqi government 'apostates'. Apostasy is a capital offense under Islamic law.

But the Education Minister is Sunni, so it is possible that this is the work of Shia. However, this would be the first time I have heard of a Shia group engaging in mass hostage taking.

I'm disgusted by Democratic calls for withdrawal from Iraq based on the idea that somehow leaving would mean the Iraqi's would pick up the slack. As if Iraqis aren't already dying every day fighting terrorist forces in their own country.

A couple of days ago the leader of al Qaeda in Iraq, after hearing about Democratic plans for withdrawal, said he was surprised that the U.S. was planning to leave Iraq so soon. He thought it would take a lot longer to defeat the Americans. He was wrong. AKI:

Violence-weary Iraq was shocked on Tuesday by an ambitious mass kidnapping in which armed men, masquerading as police, seized more than 100 people from a higher education ministry building in the capital....
A ministry spokeswoman said the gunmen arrived in new pick-up trucks and stormed the ministry's Research Directorate in the religiously-mixed Karrada district at around 9.30 am. They reportedly ordered the women into one room and abducted all the men, including employees, guards and visitors.
The men were then taken into the car park of the Sunni-led ministry, handcuffed and forced into cars before being driven away. One report said that Sunnis and Shias had been divided, but other eyewitnesses say this was not so....
"This morning a large force arrived with many vehicles with tinted windows claiming to be police commandos and they clashed with the guards and then entered the building and snatched all the employees and some visitors," Higher Education Minister, Abed Dhiab al-Ujaili, a Sunni member of the Iraqi National Accord told Iraqi state television.

Posted by: Rusty at 09:37 AM | Comments (24) | Add Comment
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1 Problem is, the probably were police commandos. Really, they arrive in new trucks - enough trucks to haul 150 kidnapping victims and their kidnappers and no one has evidence about who they are? Couldn't they look and see who bought 20+ new trucks in Iraq recently? Why don't the police pull over all tinted trucks. Hell, they do it in California. It seems suspiciously linked to the government.

Posted by: Ansar al-kuffir at November 14, 2006 10:23 AM (KjO46)

2 The Iraqis voted in a sharia based constitution in a democratic voting process.  We refused to recognize the conundrum and now
must face the result.

So we shouldn't complain when we liberate Iraq from a secular dictatorship and they democratically elect a theocratic bureaucracy? If they choose to live like slaves, that is their problem.

We should recognize they have made their decision and move on. . . but we shouldnâ€™t continue to pay the price for it.

We either force Iraq to have what we have: a constitutional republic with secular bill of rights or we hand over the reigns and permit them the justice they cherish within sharia.

We are not the kidnappers or beheaders or suicide bombers. I haven't heard or seen any protests against believers who emulate   as uswa hasana, a model for all time, whatever Muhammad did/said/didn't say is/will always be what Muslims must do/say/not say, throughout time and space. It is their foundational belief that there is no better pattern for life than the example of Muhammad, al-insan al-kamil, the Best of Men.

Free societies are philosophical institutions that come from the peopleâ€™s mutual respect for individual rights - antithesis to sharia.   Iraq knows no such value. They know only brute force and we should leave them to cut each otherâ€™s throats .

If they want to live free, let them find their own way.

Posted by: heroyalwhyness at November 14, 2006 11:05 AM (MAPKL)

3 Wrong Rusty the sectarian/civil war seems to have about an equal number of victims on both sides. In this case they WERE Shia.
Another part of the message from the al Queda leader said that he wished the Americans would NOT leave. He wants us to remain there. He knows that it is a lot easier for him to fight us there than here. (~We have not had our fill of your blood)
Most of the killing in Iraq for the last year has been done by forces other than al Queda. This latest mass kidnapping of 150 was not al Queda, it was Shia militia, they were described by witnesses as arriving in pickups similar to those used by the police commandos. And when last seen were heading for Sadhr City.

Posted by: John Ryan at November 14, 2006 11:29 AM (TcoRJ)

4 All right Rusty...

You and I know for a fact this one can't be true. The Dems are in power
now and everything is really rainbows, puppies, and fluffy bunnies.

Sarc/off

Posted by: Dick at November 14, 2006 11:36 AM (XlQVK)

5 John Ryan,

You and I both know that when he invited the U.S. forces to stay, he was being insincere. It was the "Why leave when we can kick your asses more" excuse. The premise being that they were winning.

Also, this may be the work of Shia. But the Shia just haven't done THIS TYPE of operation in the past. Killing, yes. Murder, yes. Mass kidnapping, NO. The vast majority of Shia victims are after hours terror attacks against individual families of Sunni who live in Shia neighborhoods. It is ethnic cleansing.

The Sunni terrorists are much more likely to kidnap and then kill any they claim are 'apostates'. Why? Because only among the Wahhabs and, increasingly, the Salaafi is it considered acceptable to denounce a fellow Muslim as an apostate.

But, again, it could be the Shia. But it certainly would be a change in tactics.

Posted by: Rusty at November 14, 2006 11:56 AM (JQjhA)

6 I fail to understnad this whole incident. The size for one does give credence that people in the Government were doing this. New trucks in Iraq don't grow on trees. Moving that many people does take coordination. I also don't understand why with that many people, that some would manage to escape, or be shot trying. After all, we can all guess that this was most likely a one-way trip.

Posted by: Fred Fry at November 14, 2006 12:08 PM (JXdhy)

7 People I hate to say it but We started losing this war in 1979 when Jimmy did nothing to stop the Iranians from holding our embassy hostage for over 400 days.
Iraq can go to hell for all I care it's people too!
Leaving Iraq would signal another loss but hell, after Korea, Vietnam, Beirut, Somalia, Gulf war I and now what's the big deal? It's like an old "ho" screaming rape after being stiffed for sex.
You think the Iranians will walk into Iraq and have an easier time? No, the Iraqi's won't change a thing and it will be Iran's problem.
Islam and democracy are incompatable and will never be shared in a Government.
We talk, they kill how can you vote or even run for office against that.

Posted by: Barry at November 14, 2006 12:17 PM (rqlgb)

8 It is just a matter of time before the whole iraqi government include its military, collapse!

Posted by: Dan at November 14, 2006 12:39 PM (ILHet)

9 And I wonder what will take its place. Nothing good, that's for sure.

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 14, 2006 01:12 PM (8PoNP)

10 "And I wonder what will take its place."

Why, the "Caliphate in the Land of Two Rivers" of course.

Posted by: blackflag at November 14, 2006 02:13 PM (Mq5jS)

11 That's what I'm thinking, too, blackflag. Interesting times, man, and it seems everything is moving back.....back to the 7th C.

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 14, 2006 02:38 PM (8PoNP)

12 "Islam and democracy are incompatable" - what about Turkey? Regardless of who is responsible for this, I pray for some relief for those kidnapped as they were civilians trying to go about the business of normalcy. I would think a lot could be determined simply by the target - Education workers. Now who would like to see the masses remain ignorant?

Posted by: tbone at November 14, 2006 03:45 PM (HGqHt)

13 A better example would be India.

Maybe if the Iraqi's could find better work and have a couple dollars in their pockets maybe they wouldn't have the time to kill each other in the streets.

Posted by: tom at November 14, 2006 04:00 PM (AqXlT)

14 tbone:
That's because Turkey has a secular Government, unlike Iraq right now.

Posted by: davec at November 14, 2006 04:33 PM (QkWqQ)

15 It's called a "civil war" Rusty. We started it, but we can't end it (unless you want to send over half a million troops that we don't have).

We can, however, pay huge reparations when the dust settles.

Posted by: Professor von Nostrand at November 14, 2006 04:48 PM (T5lGw)

Saddam or civil war - those were the two choices hun Nose Strand? A million troops wouldn't stop this NEEDED event. Let's just let them have at.

These "people" have been fucking themselves over for three decades - if not longer. They've got the corner on bad decisions.

Posted by: Conrad Vig at November 14, 2006 05:21 PM (PM8kH)

17 Professor, you know damn well we didn't start a civil war. Saddam had a civil war going against the Kurds and Shia long before we got there. We just leveled the playing field. The Shia are responding in kind to the way they were treated by the Sunni for decades. I would expect an esteemed professor of your calibre to know these things.

Posted by: jesusland joe at November 14, 2006 05:27 PM (8PoNP)

18 What I find sad is that four years ago, hippies drenched in patchouli oil had a better understanding of the consequences of going into Iraq than did our CiC.

No WMD
No chance at democracy

Bush's veterinarian just went public with what we knew all along. W screwed the pooch.

Posted by: snarky at November 14, 2006 06:43 PM (h1v29)

19 Rainbows, puppies and fluffy bunnies, huh? One question none of you will ever dare to answer: Where were all of our great troops keeping all of us free for democracy while this was going on in broad daylight in a "free Iraq"? They were all in another part of town looking for WMDs and building soccer fields and training Iraqi security forces.

Posted by: bloodstomper at November 14, 2006 09:18 PM (1Xn5a)

20 Hey, does this mass kidnapping mean "the terrorists" are still trying to influence our elections? Somebody tell them they already won.

Posted by: Professor von Nostrand at November 15, 2006 01:30 AM (Bwpq7)

21 P.S. Somebody pass the patchouli oil!

Very funny Snarky! And true.

Posted by: Professor von Nostrand at November 15, 2006 01:32 AM (Bwpq7)

22 If we leave Iraq, then Iran (and Syria) take over. The islamic caliphate then topples Afghanistan, followed shortly by Pakistan. The Caliphate then lobs a nuke at Israel, which is abandoned and evacuated. Europe submits and lives in dhimmitude. Russia and China are allies against America, Australia, Japan and India. World War III - like WW II but with more lethal weaponry. Who prevails? who knows... thank the useful idiots on the left - too blind and chicken to see the truth - and the meglamaniac totalitarians always there in the wings of history.

Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at November 15, 2006 01:50 AM (bF+Yg)

23 Perfessor von Nostril:
Yeah I'm sure now the elections are over they'll ratchet it down completely -- Well, no they won't because they're pushing for U.S troops to be withdrawn just like the Democrats.
Violence will continue to be sky high.

Posted by: davec at November 15, 2006 12:47 PM (QkWqQ)

24 Muslims need to kill more muslims.

Posted by: Greyrooster at November 17, 2006 12:43 AM (R6qo5)

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