December 13, 2005
Gay Cowboys Eating Pudding
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Gay themes grab holdFrom Breitbart.com:
This year's Globe noms highlight a year in which lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender characters played major roles in crossover titles."Brokeback Mountain," "Breakfast on Pluto," "Capote" and even "The Producers" put gay characters front and center.
"Transamerica" has a transgender lead, and Pierce BrosnanPierce Brosnan plays a bisexual man in "The Matador."
Plummeting 2005 box office sparks Hollywood crisisYeah, it's the DVDs killing ticket sales. Give us more gay cowboys eating pudding and we'll come back. Yeah, that's the ticket.
Even a much-hyped giant gorilla, a geisha and a schoolboy magician won't be able to create a happy ending at the US box office, as Hollywood ends its most disappointing year in nearly two decades. Plunging movie ticket sales, after a string of uninspiring remakes and movie sequels coupled with an explosion of the DVD and video game markets, are keeping audiences at home and have sent Hollywood into a deep existential crisis.
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I'm sure Bareback Mounting is a fine movie, but let's be honest-- no kissing kowboys, no Golden Globe awards.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 13, 2005 08:30 PM (8e/V4)
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What is really funny here is that the fools who produce and star in these movies nominate each other for their awards rather than having someone do the nominations who is not connected with the industry and just might be objective.
They convince themselves that they are great, and perhaps in their own eyes they are, but most of us out here in Jesusland look at what they say and do with contempt. That translates into our staying home rather than going to the movies. I rarely even let my children go to the movies now because of the content in even the most benign of films.
If Hollyweird wants to destroy itself then all it needs to do is stay the course. The bad attendance will get worse. However, I am planning on seeing a movie this week, and it is the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe. I look forward to seeing that movie with my 10-year old daughter. She has read the book and is excited about going out on a school night to see a movie. One hopes Hollywood takes notice.
They convince themselves that they are great, and perhaps in their own eyes they are, but most of us out here in Jesusland look at what they say and do with contempt. That translates into our staying home rather than going to the movies. I rarely even let my children go to the movies now because of the content in even the most benign of films.
If Hollyweird wants to destroy itself then all it needs to do is stay the course. The bad attendance will get worse. However, I am planning on seeing a movie this week, and it is the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe. I look forward to seeing that movie with my 10-year old daughter. She has read the book and is excited about going out on a school night to see a movie. One hopes Hollywood takes notice.
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 13, 2005 08:36 PM (rUyw4)
Posted by: dave at December 13, 2005 08:41 PM (CcXvt)
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I thought it was humorous, too.
Posted by: Dale at December 13, 2005 09:12 PM (Ffe13)
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whether you or I or jesuslandjoe see Brokeback Mountain is of little concen to the CEOs of Hollywood. That film cost only 13 million to make, it will make huge profits. When I googled "hollywood losers" to see what films do lose money I was quite surprised The biggest loser of 2005 was a film called "Stealth" pg13 it lost about 70 million. But the biggest loser of 2004 was another pg 13 that also lost 70 million. This was "The Alamo" come on movie goers where are all you Texans ? Here is a link to where I got the money loser amounts from. http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/records/budgets.html Yeah IM "It's the Math"
Posted by: john Ryan at December 13, 2005 09:59 PM (ads7K)
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>>>""The Alamo" come on movie goers where are all you Texans?"
cause we don't like to see our heroes as faggety pussies.
cause we don't like to see our heroes as faggety pussies.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 13, 2005 10:15 PM (8e/V4)
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John Ryan is correct. Hundreds of thousands of progressive sheeple will flock to see Brokeback Mountain. They will be bored and repulsed, but will rave about it in order to appear sophisticated. Unfortunately for Hollywood, the supply of progressive sheeple is dwindling.
And just why the hell is it that liberals have absolutely no sense of humor? Sheesh.
And just why the hell is it that liberals have absolutely no sense of humor? Sheesh.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at December 13, 2005 10:23 PM (RHG+K)
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I don't know about Texans, but this Floridian will avoid Brokeback, and Brokeback theaters. I don't even want to look like I'm seeing it. And, I don't really give a flip if Hollywood is paying attention to me. If they did, they'd fire themselves.
Posted by: thirdee at December 13, 2005 10:25 PM (9phhT)
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I haven't been to a Hollywood movie in a long time, and I don't buy or rent DVD's. The last one I wanted to see was Finding Nemo (which I did see and love).
I'm looking forward to seeing Brokeback Mountain. The story was great and the author has done some great work.
Besides, it's a love story, and the actors are all straight (and hunky).
I'm looking forward to seeing Brokeback Mountain. The story was great and the author has done some great work.
Besides, it's a love story, and the actors are all straight (and hunky).
Posted by: Show me at December 13, 2005 10:44 PM (yOZbL)
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Brokeback may make some money but from what I'm hearing, nowhere close to what they think they'll make. Yeah, they'll get the gay audience, the pseudo-intellectuals, but a low turnout from people like 'Show Me' who like the 'straight' and 'hunky' actors. The reality is that they're going to have a hard time getting most straight males to go see a gay cowboy movie. Many straight girls will think of two dudes french-kissing and say 'Ewww.'
By the way, Show Me, they may have had real-life girl friends but 'A' list actors don't need to do a movie like this because they don't need the work or money. That makes me think they may have some latent tendencies that they're curious about. I know none of my friends could utter a single line in the movie without cracking up.
Just my 2 cents.
By the way, Show Me, they may have had real-life girl friends but 'A' list actors don't need to do a movie like this because they don't need the work or money. That makes me think they may have some latent tendencies that they're curious about. I know none of my friends could utter a single line in the movie without cracking up.
Just my 2 cents.
Posted by: slug at December 13, 2005 11:24 PM (DbAnU)
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You guys are straight-up missing the whole thing. It's a chick flick. See, girls who see hunky guy movies, i.e. "teenyboppers", are heavy into bisexual guys these days. A friend of mine who is still single has to screen his girls carefully, because so many girls regularly date bi guys. So, long story short, many modern teenage girls get off on fags.
Civilization is doomed.
Civilization is doomed.
Posted by: Impobrulus Maximus at December 14, 2005 02:34 AM (0yYS2)
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It's like the way the critics raved about "Sideways". Lord that movie sucked. And when Clooney did "Solaris". It sucked too.
I'd venture to guess that a lot of people are turned off too at the fools Hollywierdos made of themselves during the last election and contunue to do so with their causes like Tookie. I simply refused to see Jane Fonda's movie "Monster In-Law", or anything she does, and I won't pay one red cent to see Clooney do anything either. Some of these idiots have turned me off completely. This has been a lame summer for movies, but part of the reason they're floundering is their big mouths along with bad movies and lame roles.
I'd still cheerfully choke the life out of Pierce Brosnan, that wimpy metro-sexual, for ruining the image I had of James Bond.
I'd venture to guess that a lot of people are turned off too at the fools Hollywierdos made of themselves during the last election and contunue to do so with their causes like Tookie. I simply refused to see Jane Fonda's movie "Monster In-Law", or anything she does, and I won't pay one red cent to see Clooney do anything either. Some of these idiots have turned me off completely. This has been a lame summer for movies, but part of the reason they're floundering is their big mouths along with bad movies and lame roles.
I'd still cheerfully choke the life out of Pierce Brosnan, that wimpy metro-sexual, for ruining the image I had of James Bond.
Posted by: Oyster at December 14, 2005 05:32 AM (YudAC)
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Hollywood's creativity pumps started sucking air a long time ago. Given the constant barrage of crappy movies, fans, regardless of genre have become put off. That just leaves the homosexual component of soceity. It's not very often they get a mainstream movie where gay characters are not stereotyped as hair stylists. Hence pretty much any movie with gay main characters will do well, plus no critic is supposed to say that it stunk. Fortunately as far as themes go, I think that gay cowboys is pretty much the limit. I don't forsee much of a market for gay D-Day Invasion movies or gay spy movies.
Posted by: Graeme at December 14, 2005 05:44 AM (jQiXI)
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brokedick mountain you mean - pass the barf bag, but hey, it's a free country. It wasn't even shown in these parts. If the only thing I had going in life was my sexual preference and the issues accompanying it, I would be better off with a broken dick.
Posted by: goesh at December 14, 2005 07:46 AM (1w6Ud)
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LOL, I love the South Park reference.
Posted by: George Ramos at December 14, 2005 08:05 AM (KHI8e)
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Oyster, I'll back you up on your opinion of Clooney and Brosnan. I'll one up you on critically acclaimed movies that sucked: Napoleon Dynamite. What the heck is that movie supposed to be about?
Posted by: Graeme at December 14, 2005 08:19 AM (jQiXI)
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IM, every girl I've talked to may think these guys are 'hunky' but they've all said thought of them, or any other guys, doing team pushups makes them want to gag.
Posted by: slug at December 14, 2005 08:58 AM (DbAnU)
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Who in there right mind wants to see 2 fags dressed up as Cowboys? It can win all the Golden Globes and Oscar's awards, most real men will Not watch this movie. Now the men who are feminized pussies may rush to see it, but other than NYC, LA and SF nobody gives a shit about it! I hope Hollywood continues their trend, 2006 will make 2005 look like a banner year.
Posted by: Andy Driggers at December 14, 2005 09:03 AM (tMU4W)
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I never post, but goesh's comment made me. I couldn't agree more that sexual preference and the related issues should not rule anyone's life, though increasingly I see that happening. I’m sure it’s just the continued “it’s all about me trend.†What I'd like to remind everyone though is that gay men are responsible for themselves, their agenda's are not forced on anyone, and that equality is everyone's right. The same goes for what movies you view. If you don’t like it, don’t go, but don’t try to impose your viewing tastes on everyone. All of America is not anglo-saxon and Christian. All the haters that quote religion remember the least popular and least followed guidelines - love thy neighbor, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Personally, and I apologize for being sidetracked, I will see Brokeback Mountain when it comes to my town in a month, not for the hunky actors, but to show support for someone that realizes fags can feel love, and that it’s not all about dick. We may not be your choice of friends or associates, but respect us no less. Will – Cleveland, OH
Posted by: atomicpurple at December 14, 2005 09:08 AM (bwe3e)
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Yea Will, hope you get the hot beef sandwich while watching this smut film! You would probably watch it a 2nd time then!
Posted by: Andy at December 14, 2005 09:33 AM (tMU4W)
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atom,
it's not gays that piss me off, it's the folks at Homowood shoving their agenda down our throats and their fake "Golden Globes". How many Globes did Passion of the Christ get? Agenda.
As far as gays being loving individuals, that's fine. But that doesn't mean I want to see them doing the nasty. My grandparents love each other too and the thought of them doing it makes me cringe.
I'll take a huge pass on this one.
it's not gays that piss me off, it's the folks at Homowood shoving their agenda down our throats and their fake "Golden Globes". How many Globes did Passion of the Christ get? Agenda.
As far as gays being loving individuals, that's fine. But that doesn't mean I want to see them doing the nasty. My grandparents love each other too and the thought of them doing it makes me cringe.
I'll take a huge pass on this one.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 14, 2005 09:37 AM (8e/V4)
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The movie business needs to be more like the record business and infect people's computers with spyware. Now that's the way to treat your customers.
Posted by: insider at December 14, 2005 09:38 AM (s1+PM)
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I could really care less what films Hollywood makes. My point is that they shouldn't complain about the box office. If they want to make money, then they should make movies that appeal to a broader range of people.
As for us Texans not going to see the movie The Alamo, well, we like our history before the politically correct hippies butchered it up.
John Ryan, I believe you to be a wolf masquerading in sheep's clothing.
As for us Texans not going to see the movie The Alamo, well, we like our history before the politically correct hippies butchered it up.
John Ryan, I believe you to be a wolf masquerading in sheep's clothing.
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 14, 2005 10:18 AM (rUyw4)
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I say it's a free country and if these idiots want to make gay cowboy movies, it's their right, but I sure as hell am not going to pay to see it, and I'd say a lot of other people won't either.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at December 14, 2005 11:27 AM (0yYS2)
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Well, of course Brokeback Mountain isn't going to appeal to the gay-bashing American Taliban.
However, the film is going to win the Oscar for Best Picture and do solid box office.
It is beyond IDIOTIC to blame a film released in December for falling ticket sales in July.
But, the point of this post is to spread hatred of gays instead of engaging in rational discourse.
However, the film is going to win the Oscar for Best Picture and do solid box office.
It is beyond IDIOTIC to blame a film released in December for falling ticket sales in July.
But, the point of this post is to spread hatred of gays instead of engaging in rational discourse.
Posted by: Geek, Esq. at December 14, 2005 12:08 PM (2yc8s)
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Geek,
it may get Oscars, but that's not saying much other than Homowood has an agenda. But solid box office? I highly doubt that.
it may get Oscars, but that's not saying much other than Homowood has an agenda. But solid box office? I highly doubt that.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 14, 2005 12:10 PM (8e/V4)
Posted by: Geek, Esq. at December 14, 2005 12:14 PM (2yc8s)
Posted by: V the K at December 14, 2005 12:14 PM (+hPIb)
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Geek,
We really should define our terms if we're going to sling them around so casually. What exactly is a "homophobe"?
I neither hate gay people, nor am I afraid of them. Does your hatred of Rev. Dobson's agenda or the Pope's agenda mean you hate christians?
If no, then fuck off.
We really should define our terms if we're going to sling them around so casually. What exactly is a "homophobe"?
I neither hate gay people, nor am I afraid of them. Does your hatred of Rev. Dobson's agenda or the Pope's agenda mean you hate christians?
If no, then fuck off.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 14, 2005 12:24 PM (8e/V4)
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I made my serious comments above, now one for fun. Finally a movie that puts back the poke in cowpoke. I hope this offends as least one person! Will -- Cleveland
Posted by: atomicpurple at December 14, 2005 02:33 PM (bwe3e)
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"If you don’t like it, don’t go, but don’t try to impose your viewing tastes on everyone."
In other words, STFU? I personally have no interest in seeing the movie either. Does that mean I'm homophobic too? But let me see here ... making a movie about gay cowboys is a form of free speech and is AOK by you, me and everyone else here for that matter, but someone saying they don't like the theme of the movie should be censured? Is that it? Because that sounds like a double standard to me.
If these guys were trying to "impose" their viewing tastes on you or anyone, they'd be doing more than simply exercizing the free speech that's due them as well as you. And that's all there is to it. Throwing out the homophobe label does not mean it's true.
In other words, STFU? I personally have no interest in seeing the movie either. Does that mean I'm homophobic too? But let me see here ... making a movie about gay cowboys is a form of free speech and is AOK by you, me and everyone else here for that matter, but someone saying they don't like the theme of the movie should be censured? Is that it? Because that sounds like a double standard to me.
If these guys were trying to "impose" their viewing tastes on you or anyone, they'd be doing more than simply exercizing the free speech that's due them as well as you. And that's all there is to it. Throwing out the homophobe label does not mean it's true.
Posted by: Oyster at December 14, 2005 02:42 PM (YudAC)
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Geek,
The point of the post was to demostrate that Hollywood should not complain about lagging box office receipts when they make movies that are not likely to appeal to a broad audience. The Brokeback Mountain movie just happens to be a good example of what the post was referring to. In other words, it is unlikely to appeal to the vast majority of people in the US.
The point of the post was to demostrate that Hollywood should not complain about lagging box office receipts when they make movies that are not likely to appeal to a broad audience. The Brokeback Mountain movie just happens to be a good example of what the post was referring to. In other words, it is unlikely to appeal to the vast majority of people in the US.
Posted by: jesusland joe at December 14, 2005 04:06 PM (rUyw4)
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The problem with Hollywood isn't the desire to make (or award) movies about "gay cowboys eating puddin." While it may be hard for some people here to believe or accept, there is a segment of this country's population that will be interested in seeing it -- maybe even enough to make it a hit.
The problem with Hollywood is the tendancy to make Brokeback Mountain type films AT THE EXCLUSION of films that would appeal to more conservative audiences. For instance, a feature length film about Flight 93, told without the kind of anti-American breastbeating Oliver Stone will likely bring to his take on 9/11, would be HUGE. But such a story isn't even in development (aside from a fairly cheaply produced made for TV movie a few weeks back).
Hollywood had a similar problem ignoring female audiences for years. I remember when Titanic was being produced, every Hollywood insider (to a man, literally) insisted the movie would flop, now matter how good it was, because it was a "chick flick" and chick flicks don't make $200 million. Eventually, Hollywood learned that a movie ticket purchased by a woman was worth as much as a movie ticket purchased by a man. Eventually, they will have to learn that a movie ticket purchased by a conservative is worth just as much as a movie ticket purchased by those they are more comfortable associating with.
The problem with Hollywood is the tendancy to make Brokeback Mountain type films AT THE EXCLUSION of films that would appeal to more conservative audiences. For instance, a feature length film about Flight 93, told without the kind of anti-American breastbeating Oliver Stone will likely bring to his take on 9/11, would be HUGE. But such a story isn't even in development (aside from a fairly cheaply produced made for TV movie a few weeks back).
Hollywood had a similar problem ignoring female audiences for years. I remember when Titanic was being produced, every Hollywood insider (to a man, literally) insisted the movie would flop, now matter how good it was, because it was a "chick flick" and chick flicks don't make $200 million. Eventually, Hollywood learned that a movie ticket purchased by a woman was worth as much as a movie ticket purchased by a man. Eventually, they will have to learn that a movie ticket purchased by a conservative is worth just as much as a movie ticket purchased by those they are more comfortable associating with.
Posted by: Sean P at December 14, 2005 04:29 PM (DEeWo)
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Sean P gets the cigar. The Hollywood elites spend too much time pushing an agenda and too little time acting as responsible businesspeople.
Major example: right after the Gulf War there was the potential for a huge profit highlighting the heroism and professionalism of American troops in freeing Kuwait. So what did Hollywood give us? Three Kings.
Major example: right after the Gulf War there was the potential for a huge profit highlighting the heroism and professionalism of American troops in freeing Kuwait. So what did Hollywood give us? Three Kings.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at December 14, 2005 04:37 PM (RHG+K)
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Wow! A modern western set in fly-over country about gay cowboys ... who would have thunk it!
You all know it's not in general release - sometime in Jan. I believe. There is a reason for this.
This is the self-indulgent pat-yourself-on-the-back (or butt) stage for Hollywood. They can heap praise on it (and themselves) without the worry or inconvience of dismal box office sales or worse ... theaters passing or short-time dumping it.
It remains to be seen - (or not seen)
I'll go out on the limb here - it's going to be a dog - quickly pulled along with its ad budget - and with no real potential with the overseas market.
The parties involved will however pat each other on the back (or butt - whatever) - and claim breakthru significance.
You all know it's not in general release - sometime in Jan. I believe. There is a reason for this.
This is the self-indulgent pat-yourself-on-the-back (or butt) stage for Hollywood. They can heap praise on it (and themselves) without the worry or inconvience of dismal box office sales or worse ... theaters passing or short-time dumping it.
It remains to be seen - (or not seen)
I'll go out on the limb here - it's going to be a dog - quickly pulled along with its ad budget - and with no real potential with the overseas market.
The parties involved will however pat each other on the back (or butt - whatever) - and claim breakthru significance.
Posted by: hondo at December 14, 2005 04:44 PM (3aakz)
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Bluto - "Three Kings" was a dud (and I found it personally insulting). The "lesson" learned by Hollywood - America was interested in "heroic war movies".
They just don't get it - and I just don't care.
They just don't get it - and I just don't care.
Posted by: hondo at December 14, 2005 05:10 PM (3aakz)
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what's "pudding"? Do I really want to know?
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 14, 2005 05:28 PM (8e/V4)
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NNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Posted by: hondo at December 14, 2005 05:30 PM (3aakz)
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Bluto - mistake by me - left out word not
as in not interested in heroic war movies ... changes the meaning significantly
as in not interested in heroic war movies ... changes the meaning significantly
Posted by: hondo at December 14, 2005 06:12 PM (3aakz)
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Hondo: Said but true -- and look for history will repeat itself. When Oliver Stone's 9/11 screed tanks -- which it will -- the message Hollywood will wind up "learning" is that American's don't want to see movies about 9/11.
Still, I liked 3 Kings. Funny thing is, Clooney is extremely proud of the film and is either too myopic or too stupid to realize it completely contradicts his view of world affairs.
Still, I liked 3 Kings. Funny thing is, Clooney is extremely proud of the film and is either too myopic or too stupid to realize it completely contradicts his view of world affairs.
Posted by: Sean P at December 14, 2005 06:46 PM (DEeWo)
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Clooney's myopic and superficial which is why he can't see the contradictions. The stereotype portayal of some of the soldiers is what disturbed me.
Funny thing - when the Hollywood lib/left play "soldiers" they invariably portray high ranking officers with elite military backgrounds (maybe a fantasy thing). Even the Duke played a Sarge every now and then.
Funny thing - when the Hollywood lib/left play "soldiers" they invariably portray high ranking officers with elite military backgrounds (maybe a fantasy thing). Even the Duke played a Sarge every now and then.
Posted by: hondo at December 14, 2005 07:10 PM (3aakz)
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What I took from Three Kings was that Hollywood considers soldiers to be amoral thieves at best; a step up, I suppose from the post-Vietnam Hollywood psycho vets, but still divorced from reality.
What did I want to see after the Gulf War? Hell, I wanted to find out what Gunny Highway did in the Gulf.
What did I want to see after the Gulf War? Hell, I wanted to find out what Gunny Highway did in the Gulf.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at December 14, 2005 08:10 PM (RHG+K)
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Thought gunny retired soon afterwards - blew his pension on Viagra and Marsha Mason?
I may fall in their "amoral" category. While a devotee of military films my personal favorite of all time is -
Kelly's Heros".
I may fall in their "amoral" category. While a devotee of military films my personal favorite of all time is -
Kelly's Heros".
Posted by: hondo at December 14, 2005 08:34 PM (3aakz)
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Why people don't attend the movie theaters? Easy, $4.00 for a watered down coke. $6.00 for a bag of stale popcorn. Only God knows what a hot dog would cost.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 14, 2005 09:23 PM (b335s)
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Good lord, greyrooster, only a fool would eat a movie theater hotdog. They spend decades on those spits, you know.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at December 14, 2005 11:07 PM (RHG+K)
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John Ryan --
The Puddin Eatin Cowboys will lose money, but it's more than that. It sure as heck won't do much business outside of West Hollywood, NY, and SF. But that's not the big impact. In a time when the core male teens who make the money for Hollywood (Spider-Man, LoTR, Star Wars etc) are defecting to video games more and more; Bareback Mountin' is telling them stay away. If you WANTED to drive away the most profitable part of your audience you couldn't do a better job. It's ALL over the place. You can't escape it.
[Hollywood makes most of it's money on: sales of sometimes decades old films and TV to TV and DVD, a few big blockbusters. Don't have the library sales and you go under and get sold like Dreamworks]
And yeah, Ledger and Gyllenhall are done as male leads. They were already skating the line as pretty boys (Damon and Brosnan hated being "pretty" because it meant guys hated them and actors build leading man long-term careers on drawing guys to identify with them). See: Bruce Willis, Sam Jackson, Denzel Washington, etc who play men not pretty boys. People like Leno, Kimmell, Letterman, and Conan are all making fun of them and the movie. It's a joke.
Stealth and Alamo lost money because it's part of the Uber-PC of Hollywood, no villains except machines and such in modern set movies. Not even Santa Anna could be made into a villain due to PC! Spider-Man and LoTR and Harry Potter were so popular because only in this format will Hollywood "allow" itself to have real heroes and real villains.
Can't have Jihadi Mohammed as a bad guy, or anyone else. Meanwhile the core male teens go to video games that play like War or Adventure movies. Which is very bad for Hollywood because male teens make their big profits; stuff like Closer or Million Dollar Baby lose money despite Oscars.
Hollywood is like Detroit, churning out exploding Ford Pintos year after year while Electronic Arts provides Toyota Camrys. THAT will kill them. DVDs or theaters, both are suffering drop-offs and guys moving on to the competition will KILL Hollywood (wonder why Warners and other big media companies that own studios are seeing share prices drop like rocks?)
Bottom line Hollywood is not responsive to customers who just want entertainment for their dollars and is instead ticking off or alienating key sectors of the audience. This is why Icann wants Warners split up.
The Puddin Eatin Cowboys will lose money, but it's more than that. It sure as heck won't do much business outside of West Hollywood, NY, and SF. But that's not the big impact. In a time when the core male teens who make the money for Hollywood (Spider-Man, LoTR, Star Wars etc) are defecting to video games more and more; Bareback Mountin' is telling them stay away. If you WANTED to drive away the most profitable part of your audience you couldn't do a better job. It's ALL over the place. You can't escape it.
[Hollywood makes most of it's money on: sales of sometimes decades old films and TV to TV and DVD, a few big blockbusters. Don't have the library sales and you go under and get sold like Dreamworks]
And yeah, Ledger and Gyllenhall are done as male leads. They were already skating the line as pretty boys (Damon and Brosnan hated being "pretty" because it meant guys hated them and actors build leading man long-term careers on drawing guys to identify with them). See: Bruce Willis, Sam Jackson, Denzel Washington, etc who play men not pretty boys. People like Leno, Kimmell, Letterman, and Conan are all making fun of them and the movie. It's a joke.
Stealth and Alamo lost money because it's part of the Uber-PC of Hollywood, no villains except machines and such in modern set movies. Not even Santa Anna could be made into a villain due to PC! Spider-Man and LoTR and Harry Potter were so popular because only in this format will Hollywood "allow" itself to have real heroes and real villains.
Can't have Jihadi Mohammed as a bad guy, or anyone else. Meanwhile the core male teens go to video games that play like War or Adventure movies. Which is very bad for Hollywood because male teens make their big profits; stuff like Closer or Million Dollar Baby lose money despite Oscars.
Hollywood is like Detroit, churning out exploding Ford Pintos year after year while Electronic Arts provides Toyota Camrys. THAT will kill them. DVDs or theaters, both are suffering drop-offs and guys moving on to the competition will KILL Hollywood (wonder why Warners and other big media companies that own studios are seeing share prices drop like rocks?)
Bottom line Hollywood is not responsive to customers who just want entertainment for their dollars and is instead ticking off or alienating key sectors of the audience. This is why Icann wants Warners split up.
Posted by: Jim Rockford at December 15, 2005 01:34 AM (4878o)
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Agent Brown thinks Greyrooster was eating something that only looked like a hot dog in the movie threater.
Agent Jones once had a lecture from the Architect. The Architect told him that he sees EVERYTHING people do on those TV screens.
Agent Jones once had a lecture from the Architect. The Architect told him that he sees EVERYTHING people do on those TV screens.
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 15, 2005 05:50 AM (n1vAy)
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Heath Ledger is in it? NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I'm totally crushed.
"what's "pudding"? Do I really want to know?"
LOL, Carlos.
"what's "pudding"? Do I really want to know?"
LOL, Carlos.
Posted by: Oyster at December 15, 2005 06:22 AM (YudAC)
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Making a film like Bareback Mountain on a limited budget isn't the problem -- the problem is the incessant hype surrounding it. If this was a true art house film in the old days, they could put it out in limited release in the areas where it would be accepted, it would quietly get a few good reviews from the ususal suspects and that would be that.
But the publicity machine for this film is in all probability almost equal to the movie's production costs. It's being jammed down the throat (er, so to speak) of the American public, which in turn comes across as Hollywood and the entertainment industry media telling the public this is not only the type of movie we want made but the type you should be seeing -- if you're a truly caring, sensative human being. And, as Mickey Kaus has speculated, if the film does bomb upon general release in January, Hollywood and the media supporting the movie won't do any sort of self-examination about what they're doing wrong in terms of making movies people want to see; they'll simply say that most of America is a bunch of homophobic cultural Morlocks and keep on trying to make the same sort of films into 2006 and beyond.
But the publicity machine for this film is in all probability almost equal to the movie's production costs. It's being jammed down the throat (er, so to speak) of the American public, which in turn comes across as Hollywood and the entertainment industry media telling the public this is not only the type of movie we want made but the type you should be seeing -- if you're a truly caring, sensative human being. And, as Mickey Kaus has speculated, if the film does bomb upon general release in January, Hollywood and the media supporting the movie won't do any sort of self-examination about what they're doing wrong in terms of making movies people want to see; they'll simply say that most of America is a bunch of homophobic cultural Morlocks and keep on trying to make the same sort of films into 2006 and beyond.
Posted by: John at December 15, 2005 08:32 AM (gubUB)
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Rockford,
that was an excellent analysis. Spot on. I just don't give a crap who wins or loses in politically correct movies. I have no stake in a movie if there isn't a villain and a hero. So why bother. The Left is destroying Hollywood, like they destroy everything they touch. They're even a hazard to themselves.
that was an excellent analysis. Spot on. I just don't give a crap who wins or loses in politically correct movies. I have no stake in a movie if there isn't a villain and a hero. So why bother. The Left is destroying Hollywood, like they destroy everything they touch. They're even a hazard to themselves.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at December 15, 2005 12:01 PM (8e/V4)
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Actually, I don't mind biased, liberal/left tilted message films. Some can be actually quite good.
What bothers me is they try and pass off simplistic, shallow, superficial crap as "message" - celebrate themselves for doing it - then when the film dogs - blame the audience.
Crap is crap - and you don't need a political scorecard to see that.
What bothers me is they try and pass off simplistic, shallow, superficial crap as "message" - celebrate themselves for doing it - then when the film dogs - blame the audience.
Crap is crap - and you don't need a political scorecard to see that.
Posted by: hondo at December 15, 2005 12:49 PM (3aakz)
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The Dread Pundit Bluto: The problem with movie food is that when you take kids they expect it. It's tradition. First thing out of their mouths is I want popcorn, coke, hotdogs and those little candy things (jew jew beads or something like that) (IM: don't get excited, I know, I know). I love it when the kids have crack the hotdog open.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 16, 2005 05:46 AM (kkjRj)
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Agent Smith asks, so how was that hotdog?
Posted by: Agent Smith at December 17, 2005 03:28 AM (oC6D4)
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Not as long as the black one sticking out of your butt.
Posted by: greyrooster at December 17, 2005 09:05 PM (TBvsM)
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Gross movie. This movie wouldn't even be a good movie with two girls, or a girl and a guy. The movie was terrible, the theme is immortal, and the fact that people will praise it because they are afraid of what other people might think they don't condone the gay lifestyle. Put it back in the adult bookstores where it came from, please people. this is ridiculous. i want my money back!
Posted by: marie at December 19, 2005 10:40 AM (SZd5x)
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I'm amazed Hollywood could produce a film like bareback mountain, it's nothing rewriting history to accommodate the ever rising tide of misleading homosexual propaganda. A few years back these producers would have been arrested. What's next? flipper and his handler a love story like other or perhaps Rome, a gladiators love for a toddler!
I can see this being the biggest box office flops in movie history.
I can see this being the biggest box office flops in movie history.
Posted by: John at January 02, 2006 08:55 AM (+/mEm)
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FYI-
We are going to steel your male children away in the night, and make them watch Bareback Mountain over and over, until they are gay.
Then, we’re going to use your brainwashed homosexual children to build the deadliest, gayest army the world has ever seen. And then we will, with our good pal Osama, invade America, redecorating your homes with frilly curtains.
You have been warned.
We are going to steel your male children away in the night, and make them watch Bareback Mountain over and over, until they are gay.
Then, we’re going to use your brainwashed homosexual children to build the deadliest, gayest army the world has ever seen. And then we will, with our good pal Osama, invade America, redecorating your homes with frilly curtains.
You have been warned.
Posted by: Mr. Superevil at January 04, 2006 12:51 PM (Pk0F+)
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Personally, I am repulsed by one issue gays who don't seem to have any interest other than taking society down to their perverted level....uh, oh, my mind control device from Hollywierd is kicking in....must go see gay cowboy movie, it is h-h-h-h-h-h
-h---horrib----no-it-it-is-corrageous-i-mean-outrageous-help-me-hollywood-tells-me-what-to-think-baaaah-baaaah-
I-am-a-sheeple
Osamagoestohollywoodgoesboom!
-h---horrib----no-it-it-is-corrageous-i-mean-outrageous-help-me-hollywood-tells-me-what-to-think-baaaah-baaaah-
I-am-a-sheeple
Osamagoestohollywoodgoesboom!
Posted by: Osamagoestohollywoodgoesboom! at January 05, 2006 11:13 AM (yYIkD)
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Relax everyone. I looked it up in the Good Book and I can assure you that everyone involved in Backseat Mountain will burn in eternal unquenchable white hot hellfire excrutiating agony for all eternity. I for one, will sleep much better tonight knowing this.
Posted by: rudiger at January 06, 2006 03:52 AM (oAlfz)
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whoopsy daisy. what a silly goose I am. Did I get that title correct? Is it Backdoor Mountain? Or is it Backdoor Mounting? And you are all correct about theatre food sucking balls. But once when I was in san francisco, I attended a cinema that had quiche to die for! It was absolutely delightful. but, the film still sucked balls.
Posted by: rudiger at January 06, 2006 04:07 AM (oAlfz)
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I can't believe anyone, in this day and age, could deny the fact that homosexuality is normal. How can anyone find another person's consenting, loving relationships to be 'sick' or 'weird'?
Do whatever makes you feel fine. I'm glad my generation isn't as afflicted by the ills of bigotry as so many here seem to be.
Do whatever makes you feel fine. I'm glad my generation isn't as afflicted by the ills of bigotry as so many here seem to be.
Posted by: Joe at January 07, 2006 11:49 PM (Of2CS)
Posted by: rudiger at January 17, 2006 11:44 PM (nHF9B)
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Seriously, what's up the pudding thing? I mean, I like pudding. But I'm not GAY???
Posted by: bill from SF at January 31, 2006 04:51 AM (1NuoL)
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Sooooooohooohooo....
Looks like people are getting all in a tissy about "gays on the big dic...screen". That was almost a freudian. Like GAYS are new news. ROCK HUDSON. Ain't he dead? So there you go.
The trend that Hollywood is in these days is that a more diverse movie can actually get a budget. THAT'S GOOD!(for all you cavemen)Targeting a market that they used to think wouldn't make money. Remember the dark days of Hollywood. When the only thing Hollywood thought guys would pay to see was crappy sci-fi's like freejack and a slew of vandamnage and segallage ball-punching fests. Do you wanna really go back there? Didn't think so. It's great for me because I'm really dig motorcycle racing. There was a movie made in Europe called "Faster" documenting the world sport of MotoGP racing. I was dying to see this film but nobody would bring it to America. Then oddly, the same studio that now brought us broke back mountain, imported Faster to a limited market showing. I had to drive all the way to D.C. But I saw it. Just remember, the system is slow but it works. Nobody wanted to budget "Passion of the Christ" cause they said it wouldn't make money. Eventually there will be a movie that is guarunted to tailor fit to you and offend everyone else that's not. Just be patient. I could take 20 years. Let's all unite and defend diversity in our film and our culture. Because the wise realize!(I should make that t-shirt)
In a weird way, "Brokeback" is oddly patriotic. Not the fact that it portrays "it" going "in" the "out", but that it really does a great job putting the majority(moral white folk) onto their heels shouting for good and decincy. A good shouting match between liberals and conservatives is always fun to watch. Because no one can win. AHHH smell the Democracy. I love the discension this film caused. But honestly, just be glad you know that you love it, or hate it. That's consoling. Most people don't have any feeling at all about it or the well fare of this great union. And they run the country.
Now if you think I'm advocating the content, I'm not into the gay acts myself. Which is why I didn't go. That's my little form of protest. Not forking my hard earned nine dollars to see something I don't like. Besides why should we all give money to some guy that wants a personal jet to fly between his mansions on the east and west coasts. THAT GUY SHOULD BE ME!! But the real reason the movie industry is failing, they forget reason #2. TV has to many good shows on. I don't have to risk death driving when I can slowly let my legs atrophy from "lazy" I caught on my 25th birthday.
OUT!
Looks like people are getting all in a tissy about "gays on the big dic...screen". That was almost a freudian. Like GAYS are new news. ROCK HUDSON. Ain't he dead? So there you go.
The trend that Hollywood is in these days is that a more diverse movie can actually get a budget. THAT'S GOOD!(for all you cavemen)Targeting a market that they used to think wouldn't make money. Remember the dark days of Hollywood. When the only thing Hollywood thought guys would pay to see was crappy sci-fi's like freejack and a slew of vandamnage and segallage ball-punching fests. Do you wanna really go back there? Didn't think so. It's great for me because I'm really dig motorcycle racing. There was a movie made in Europe called "Faster" documenting the world sport of MotoGP racing. I was dying to see this film but nobody would bring it to America. Then oddly, the same studio that now brought us broke back mountain, imported Faster to a limited market showing. I had to drive all the way to D.C. But I saw it. Just remember, the system is slow but it works. Nobody wanted to budget "Passion of the Christ" cause they said it wouldn't make money. Eventually there will be a movie that is guarunted to tailor fit to you and offend everyone else that's not. Just be patient. I could take 20 years. Let's all unite and defend diversity in our film and our culture. Because the wise realize!(I should make that t-shirt)
In a weird way, "Brokeback" is oddly patriotic. Not the fact that it portrays "it" going "in" the "out", but that it really does a great job putting the majority(moral white folk) onto their heels shouting for good and decincy. A good shouting match between liberals and conservatives is always fun to watch. Because no one can win. AHHH smell the Democracy. I love the discension this film caused. But honestly, just be glad you know that you love it, or hate it. That's consoling. Most people don't have any feeling at all about it or the well fare of this great union. And they run the country.
Now if you think I'm advocating the content, I'm not into the gay acts myself. Which is why I didn't go. That's my little form of protest. Not forking my hard earned nine dollars to see something I don't like. Besides why should we all give money to some guy that wants a personal jet to fly between his mansions on the east and west coasts. THAT GUY SHOULD BE ME!! But the real reason the movie industry is failing, they forget reason #2. TV has to many good shows on. I don't have to risk death driving when I can slowly let my legs atrophy from "lazy" I caught on my 25th birthday.
OUT!
Posted by: hookerbot at February 20, 2006 02:37 AM (WFP0t)
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Fuck. These two bastards ain't even COWboys. they herd (and hump) SHEEP!!
Posted by: rudiger at March 10, 2006 10:25 AM (HpX1r)
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